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Quick recap - after a benevolent anon has decided to share a Madoka style grimdark magical girl generator with us and many joke ideas were created, a lesbian joke about a couple of particularly interesting ones has sparked a discussion about making up a magical girl series following the events of The Epic of Gilgamesh, in much the same way Madoka follows (very loosely) the events of Faust.

This is an awesome idea since it combines everything /tg/ loves: ancient myths (and one of the manliest, most badass ones of them, at that), grimdark, and underaged lesbians. It literally couldn't be any better!

Since I'm a lazy bastard I'm going to start by simply copying every post from the last thread that's relevant to this discussion - then we can continue going more deeply into the idea itself.

Do note that while most of those characters and ideas were originally created via a random generator, it stands to reason that if we're going to make a coherent story with them we should feel more than free to add, remove, and change details as we see fit to make them all work well.

If Madoka wills it, by the end we might actually have a little writefaggotry done and possibly even a couple drawings. Feel free to post inspirational pics of magical girls and/or Gilgamesh.
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>What kind of girl are you?
Perfect and Popular
hrrumph. be glad I took notice of you, peasants.

>What convinced you to make a contract?
I'm the best at everything. Magic should be no exception.
you are a thousand, no ten thousand years away from being able to challenge me. crawl back in the shadows and weep!

>What is your wish?
I wish to become immortal.
no one should be denied the glory of my presence simply because they we born to late.

>Weapon
Revolver
Azel and he six daughters are my dearest friends. what a pity though, i dont expect that you and she shall get along. you see, Azel isn't as tolerant of peasants and their brutish attitudes as i am.

>Magical Element
Hate
PEASANT! MONGREL! DOG! YOU HAVE MADE A LADY SWEAT! THIS CANNOT BE FORGIVEN! DIE! DIE! DIE!

>Magical Powers

>Weave of Fate
You start to see the world in terms of a great tapestry, and you can pluck at certain threads to alter what would otherwise
be "coincidences" to your advantage.
what an ugly bit of carpet. but i think a seamstess like me could fix it.

>Costume Elements
Gold
Runes
Eyepatch
elegant and martial. the perfect costume for a lady at war.

>Crisis
The person I love completely and utterly rejected me.
b-b-b-but... shes... a peasant. h-how could you pick...?

goddamn what a cunt. would make my waifu though.
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10/10 would want in my group
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Onigawara Yuri
Pretty Strawberry Lovely Yuri

>Already feeling that pain in my legs, better check my blood sugar.

What kind of girl are you?
Sickly Victim

>Eh. Guess I SHOULD check that blood sugar alright. And stop with the strawberries - it fucks with the chemo.

What convinced you to make a contract?
I realized I’m tired of feeling helpless.

>What, no deep spiritual satisfaction in sitting in that hospital bed being miserable?

What is your wish?
I wish I could be my old self again.

> I assume that she's referring to the self that has a good chance of living to adulthood.

Weapon
Dagger

>Damn, bitch is hardcore.

Magical Element
Radiation

>SEE HOW YOU LIKE CANCER

Magical Power
Analysis
By magically analyzing things you can discover secrets, and locate weaknesses.

>Say, you seem to have a genetic predisposition to developing leukemia, don't you?

Costume Elements
Omega

>DOOM AND GLOOM, I TELL YOU. DOOM AND FUCKING GLOOM

Crisis
I’m hopelessly attracted to someone I probably shouldn’t be.

>But... sempai... we're both girls, right?...

More creepy lesbian carcinogenic goodness!
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>SEE HOW YOU LIKE CANCER

I laughed way harder than I should have.
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I say she has a desperate lesbian crush on Miss Perfect from >>21108965, for all the more love triangle goodness.
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>>21108965
"ugly carpet" really sold it.

>>21109041
bretty good. guilt and magical powers go hand in hand.

>>21109116
FORBIDDEN LOVE at the john hopkins cancer ward? would watch.
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>I say she has a desperate lesbian crush on Miss Perfect from 21108965

Shes the one who rejected miss perfect, didn't develop feelings for her till after. Can the littlest cancer patient work up the courage to broach the subject again? Can the icebitch ever forgive a such a rejection? Will these two hearts, so near and yet so far, find each other in the night?

the only thing we can be sure of is that it will take 9 episodes and maybe a movie before we find out.
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What would a perfect girl who's perfect at anything want with a fucking cancer ward wuss?
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Fragile, easily led, easily crushed, loyal, et cetera.
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Delicious lesbian sub/dom relationship. Ilikewherethisisgoing.jpg
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>>21109753

Continuing this train of thought, Huwawa is obviously a major youma (who possible recovers part of her original human mind upon defeat to plead for mercy?), but I'm wondering about the Celestial Bull. While it may seem to make for another youma, and we could get the nicely fucked up Madoka vibe from having Gilly and Enki quite literally tearing the supposedly terrifying monster the shreds with their own hands, if we really want to go for the "oh my God what have they become" we could instead have the bull be another magical girl, a veteran who is five feet into the air the moment Ishtar thinks "jump!". She goes after miss prawn, starts beating her up, and Gilly responds by getting somewhat irate (see Guts and Eva 01 for inspiration) and eventually proceeds to rip off an entire shoulder-blade (with arm attached) with her bare hands. That kills the bul... cow
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>>21109705

A story of love and ambition.
A friendship that transcends death.
A journey for the ultimate price.

The oldest legend, retold...

ETERNAL PRINCESS RADIANT HARUKA
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>>21109879

And now there's a cowgirl too.

It just keeps getting better and better!
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>>21109879
Sadly (?) for Enki I feel the back story may have to be somewhat more, well, everyday. A week's worth of constant fucking might fit for Gilgamesh-as-a-Tarantine-gangster-flick, but not so much for a magical girl one.

A country girl who ends up spending a week or so more or less alone in the city (only parent on a business trip during some school break) a year or two before the story itself begins.

She runs into Onigawara (this being before her health went down the drain), and they end up becoming friends, probably with Onigawara taking her on a tour of every bakery, café, ice cream shop and candy store of the city or some such.

Oh, and for Huwawa, Gilly's obviously using her own classmates as bait to bring out the beast.
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>>21111233

I think a sports tournament would actually fit perfectly. Both "Gilly" and "Enki" are extremely competitive girls (Gilly just about anything and Enki about sports in particular, being an athletic tomboy). Something as simple as one of them losing to another in a contest in front of the entire school (better yet, make it a TIE) could spark an obsessive love-hat relationship that's bound to explode dramatically when you add little miss cancer into the picture
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>>21121210 better yet, make it a TIE
"Gilgamesh bent his knees, with his other foot on the ground,"

The text gets very fragmentary here, but to me the idea of one fott on the ground, and the other displaced, suggests a half-defeat, half-victory, ie a tie.
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IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER THAN.
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Doesn't the bull of heaven get killed horribly in the beginning? What's with those magical girl shows and the bustiest girl getting mutilated in the third episode?
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Wasn't the Bull of heaven only unleashed onto Babylon because Gi(r)lgamesh decided (s)he didn't want to bang the goddess known for killing her lovers?
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Suits the pseudo Madoka story perfectly. Miss Perfect (we really need to find a name for her) refuses to make the contract with the cute creepy Ishtar stand in (who also need a name), so to "convince" her she quietly arranges for a far more agressive magical girl (with a cowgirl theme) to arrive in the area and start wrecking shit up as she kills monsters.

Now Gilgamesh stand in has to contract.

Or something of that sort. I don't quite remember whether Bull or Enkidu came first. Haven't read this story in ages.
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>>21124795
Not the beginning of the story, but quite promptly after showing up, yes.

"After they had killed the Bull of Heaven,
they ripped out its heart and presented it to Shamash."

"When Enkidu heard this pronouncement of Ishtar,
he wrenched off the Bull's hindquarter and flung it in her face:"

Guess I mis-remebered the shoulderblade thing, or maybe it was a another translation.
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>>21125309
I'm rather thinking Gilly would be a magical girl already at that point, and that the Cow gets called in to slap her back into line when she and Enki refuses to follow orders. But then again I haven't anything good on Gilly's contract either, so if we can make something out of this...

As for what miss Udders does to punish/enrage/bait Gilly and Enki, well, she obviously starts beating Yuri into the ground.

Hm, maybe play the monster, Yuri turns up to stop her, gets horrifically puemmeled for it, Gilly and Enki decide it's contract time, Ishtar has a "just as planned" moment for a while until it turns out that the two new recruits were a bit overly thorough in defeating her old trusty legbreaker.

And on an unrelated note, the journey to deal with Huwawa would be woven together with a class trip to near where Enki grew up, wouldn't it?

"Let Enkidu go ahead of you;
he knows the road to the Cedar Forest,"
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AAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNND that's it, folks!

All this was in the last thread. That's where it ends, and this discussion can begin!
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If Bull of Heaven is going to be a magical girl, I think a suitable weapon for her would be a bell. A massive, larger than she is, immensely heavy bell on a huge chain - she swings it around like a horrible wrecking-ball of ear-splitting doom. It fits both her cowgirl theme and the idea that she's a brutal, senselessly destructive, not-very-smart and easily manipulated magical girl. The fact that the chains also wrap around her symbolize her servitude to "Ishtar".
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>>21136558
>What is your wish?
>I wish to become immortal.
>No one should be denied the glory of my presence simply because they we born to late.

Sold, I want her in my party
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>>21137351

It also fits the Gilgamesh story perfectly. Now, recall that Gilgamesh only became obssessed with immortality after Enkidu died... and at the very end, decided to let go of his obsession because he realized his memory will live on forever with his kingdom of Uruk.

The drama is literally already written for us out - we just need to add little girls.
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>>21137385
I kinda want little girl Lancelot, but I don't think that would work the way I am thinking in my head

Maybe little girl Lancer and Zero lancer though
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>>21136558
I can't help but imagine that if this were an anime, she'd be voiced by Rie Kugimiya.
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>>21137385
>we just need to add the little girls

/tg/ in a nutshell
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>>21137405
>Rie Kugimiya
I'm rather partial to Yu Kobayashi
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>>21137385

The outcome is obvious: in the final episode, li'l Gilly does manage to get her Wish, but since Yuri is going to die soon (or possibly, is actively dying at the point) decides to use it on her to cure her of her disease - or even better, make her immortal instead (more delicious, delicious tragedy: no matter how well their future relationship goes, Gilly's still gonna die in a couple decades, leaving poor Yuri forever with the memories).

Speaking of which, we really need a name for her other than Gilly.
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>>21137481
Please do, it's kinda weird seeing my last name be used as a nickname for Gil
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>>21137481

Anybody know anything of Japanese names? We want something fittingly bombastic and high-class for our Girlgamesh.
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>>21137398

Fear the might of the Gay Bolg.
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Where's that mythology scholar from yesterday when you need it?
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>>21138352
I'm currently researching it but uh...
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Meh, bored, so rolling:

>Name
>Momomiya Tsukasa
Momo!

>Magical Girl Name:
>Solar Princess Eternal Tsukasa
You're overdoing it a bit, Momo.

>What kind of girl are you?
>Bookworm
Can I keep her, /tg/?

>What convinced you to make a contract?
>I have nothing else worthwhile to do.
Boredom is a GREAT motivator. I guess she got tired of just sitting around reading, despite how much she loves it.

>What is your wish?
>I wish I were beautiful.
Aw... I can almost imagine her... Freckles, glasses, brownish hair...

>Weapon
>Revolver
Um...
UUUUMMMM...
Maybe cute little Momo isn't as cute as I thought...

>Magical Element
>Earth
So she's gonna conjure up sandstorms, blind people, and shoot them. Great.

>Magical Power
>Doors
>For you, doors don't always lead to what's on the other side of the door frame. You can use magic to make a door take you to somewhere else, maybe any other door in the world.
NOWHERE IS SAFE.

>Costume Elements
>Sailor Suit
Obvious magical girl assassin, steps out of your closet and puts one in your heart, one in your head, walks back out. Only evidence is the pile of sand around your door.

>Crisis
>The person I love completely and utterly rejected me.
Explains her wish...

/tg/, I think I've birthed a monster.
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>>21138437

How does she relate to the Epic of Gilgamesh, though?
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>>21138480
Hell if I know. My post was more just a continuation of the previous topic. If this helps, great, if not, oh well.
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>>21138529
I think found a translation of the tablets.
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Did everyone leave the thread?
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>>21138988
You can't get rid of me that easily. Sadly, just lurking. I've no idea of what the story of Gilgamesh is about, but the last thread and now this is helping. With magical girls for good measure.
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>>21139134
I'm starting to get an idea of what it is about.
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>>21138988

I'm still here, but I have to go to sleep soon. Fucking having to wake up for work tomorrow morning. Uncool. Keep the good shit flowing, man.
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Shinohara Nanami
Cutie Peach Lyrical Nanami

>What kind of girl are you?
>Goddess
Oh man, wut
>What convinced you to make a contract?
>Living a normal life just never made any sense to me.
Must be gothic
>What is your wish?
>I wish my friend could smile again.
That's nice
>Weapon
>Nunchucks
Aw shit son she's Bruce Lee
>Magical Element
>Water
Meh, that's ok
Magical Power
>Illusions
>You can conjure up illusions to deceive and befuddle your foes' senses.
Aw yeah, army of Bruce Lee magical girls
>Costume Elements
>Bunny
Hot, I can work with this
>Crisis
>A youma has been stalking me. And it reminds me of one of my friends.
So she has a stalker, kick dat bitch in the jaw
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There is an entire paragraph devouted to saying Gilgamesh is awesome.
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>>21139282

That's because the Mesopotamians were the original /tg/. Their stories ran on absurd manliness, awesomeness, epicness, and RAGE, and they got shit done.

They also had epic neckbeards.
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My radar might be off but I think I am sensing some bromance here.
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I have an idea about "Gilly" (or however we decide to call her): everyone at school knows that she's the daughter of an extremely rich and powerful CEO (it goes together with being the stereotype of the perfect, popular, successful girl. I bet she's the student council president too). What they don't know, is that unlike her father, who came from an old and powerful family himself, originally married a fucking low-class woman, and she's her daughter. Social pressure (and the family) pushed him, though, so he ended up divorcing her to marry a more appropriate woman.

This both plays on Gilgamesh' myhtical origin as a "1/3 Mortal 2/3 God" (assuming "mortals" are normal people and "gods" are the fucking successful ones), and might explain her extreme disdain of weak people - she's overcompensating for what she believes to be her own inherent weakness/impurity, just like Gilgamesh detested his own mortality.

Or maybe, for even MORE drama, her original mother died of some disease. Plays up to the "purity" angle, and might be one reason she's so attracted to Yuri - she might be seeing a mother figure there, deep in her subconscious.
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>>21139372

Your radar is spot on, Mr. V. This is a story of bromance. Epic bromance. Hopefully, we are going to be able to translate it to sweet lesmance for our story.
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>>21139277
You misunderstand.
Your girl is the Queen Bee, the Starlet, the precious sunshine that everyone wants and nobody gets.
> Goddess
> Normal life ain't my thing
> illusions
You're basically
((>>21138437))'s rival or secret love interest? WHY DID YOU REJECT HER, WHY, ANON?!?!
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>>21139592
She was clingy and obsessive, the term stalker comes to mind
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>>21139560
It's kind of hard to not think that when the tablet says
>That Gilgamesh will love and embrace another man as a wife.
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>>21139644
This is my post by the way.
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>>21139639
I guess it's easy for you to walk all over people because everyone just looks up to little miss pretty, but once somebody shows genuine interest in the YOU behind the mask you immediately reject them.
;_;
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>>21139688
She should be happy to bask in my presence. The only person worthy of loving myself is me!
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>>21139639
>>21139592
>>21139277
Would play.
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>>21139703
Magical girl duels

nice
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Is the thread dead?
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>>21141353

Seems like it, but screw it, I'm going to post the character I got from the random generator...except I accidentally closed the tab it was on, so all I have is some of the traits. The name and her magic persona I forget, but most I recall to some degree.

What kind of girl are you?

Blazing Heroine

What convinced you to make a contract?

To make a world where hope makes sense.

What is your wish?

I wish I could bring back the people I killed.

Weapon

Nunchucks

Magical Element

Bones

Magical Power

Blood Manipulation

I forget the specifics, but basically, I can control blood on the field, in bodies, well, practically anywhere. Though I'm guessing it'd have to be within reasonable distance, though.

Costume Elements

Sailor suit

Crisis

I found my familiar dead, with a warning written in it's blood.

So, from what I can tell, my character's a blood manipulating gender swapped Maxi from Soul Calibur who's rather jaded, and apparently the people she killed really weren't that bad. Also, the nunchucks are probably made from the bones of her familiar, which probably allows her to manipulate blood in the first place.
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>>21141696
I just pictured some magical girl using the skeleton of Kyubey as mace. I can't stop smiling now.
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>>21142339
That a wonderful thought.
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So what do we need done to get this idea going?
A lot of character ideas in thread. I could compile them real quick.
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I ran the generator a few times for laughs, got a pretty amusing one.

Kagurazaka Setsuna
Lovely Witch Little Setsuna

What kind of girl are you?
Bright and Cheerful

>Fair enough

What convinced you to make a contract?
I lost everything I care about, so why not?

>So by "Bright and Cheerful" you mean you've became psychotic over your losses. That's... different.

What is your wish?
I wish for demons to drag her down to hell.

>Oh shit. Revenge?

Weapon
Dagger

>Okay, she's not fucking around. Someone's gonna get stabbed.

Magical Element
Radiation

>What the hell?

Magical Power
Critters
Cute, furry creatures (that aren't magical) are at your beck and call with this magic.

>Fairly normal. Wait, these things are irradiated aren't they?

Costume Elements
Silver

>I suppose uranium wouldn't be as pretty.

Crisis
I'm hopelessly attracted to someone I probably shouldn't be.

>You're not attracted to the person your seeking revenge against are you? ARE YOU? Oh hell, this won't end well.

>So we've got a Magical Girl who's gone off the deep end from despair and is trying to either kill or fuck the person responsible.
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>>21143323
I managed to find a translation of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Could that be useful?
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Momomiya Miaka
Cosmic Girl Elegant Miaka

What kind of girl are you?
Athletic Star
>athlete okay...

What convinced you to make a contract?
I want to be just like the girl I look up to!
>lesbian crush and an idol, promising

What is your wish?
I wish to become immortal.
>immortal in the minds and hearts of all

Weapon
Car
>I'm a race car driver

Magical Element
Love
>Passion for my sport and for my idol

Magical Power
Transit Timing
Your magic lets you bend reality just a little to have buses, trains, and taxis show up at just the right time.
>interesting...

Costume Elements
Gold
Jumpsuit
Hero Scarf
>holy shit I'm a fucking Kamen Rider

Crisis
My power went out of control and killed someone.
>crashed my car into my idol and killed her
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>>21145271
Is there any reason you haven't shared it yet? I don't think everyone and their friend happens to have a translation of it just sitting there on their bookshelf.

So yes, please, share it.
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>>21145271
I've already read it before, but others haven't.
As >>21145752 said, please share.
It'll also allow us to work from a common translation.
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>>21146811

Good point. Then we can start doing more serious work based on a known base.
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Is Utnapishtim some sort of elder tsukaima, a monster or a magical girl in our version?
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>www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/
Here it is.
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>>21145752
Because nobody was asking for it.
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>>21149280
Probably an old and experienced magical girl.

>>21149281
Thanks.

Are we going to give these girls original names soon?
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>>21150002

We already know that the girl representing the kingdom of Uruk is named Onigawara Yuri, and the last thread I'm pretty sure had a write up for the girl representing Enkidu that isn't here for some reason.

So assuming we find her name, we just need a name for our Gilgamesh, for Bull of Heaven, for Ishtar (and possibly the other gods), Utnapishtim, and minor characters.
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>>21150155
Okay.~

I personally like the idea of the gods being represented by people of wealth and high standing.
Remember, Gilgameshs MOTHER was the full god, his father was a mortal MADE a god by his mother.
Which with the family disapproving would easily explain her 'high and mighty' personality, since she's trying to be more like her mother.

If any of that makes no sense, tell me. Because I'm not sure how well I did that.
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>>21150264

Sounds good to me, I was just going with more generic anime tropes before with her father being the "godly" one. This is more like the original story - it all depends on how obvious we want to make this allusion.

Also, while conceptually this represents Gilgamesh' heritage, I think as far as the story is concerned most gods would be tsukaima - those creepy cute little animals manipulating things behind the scenes and giving everybody grief while being basically untouchable themselves.
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>>21150323
Mh, sure.
Guess I should read the Magical Burst system, then.

Also, remember that it doesn't have to be one character per role nor do roles have to be statically fixed to a single person.
Unless we want to make this blatantly "Epic of Gilgamesh With Mahou Shoujo".
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http://yarukizero.wordpress.com/

We are on Yaruki Zero now.
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Why don't we start going character by character now adding more and more detail (starting with names), then we start working on the relationships between them? Easy and systematic.

>Captcha: ANTIQUE ARYZES.
Basically completely right but with kooler letterz
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>>21150673
That works well enough.
Where should we start?

Also, Ishtar should be a vengful version of QB.
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>>21150716

By posting the full profiles of our magical-girl stand-ins for the respective characters.
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Since I'm normally no good at doing things from scratch, I've been working on small parts of each character.
Seems enki came to the city for a sports competition from a small school, probably in pretty far away suburbs. (from last thread)
What should the sport be? If we're going to have ojou-sama gilly competing against her.
Maybe track?
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>>21151306

Some sort of martial art was discussed before - it's awesome (and it foreshadows the fact that the both of them have great combat skills) - but like you said, we need to find some martial art that's just refined enough to appeal both to Perfect Princess Girl and to a Raging Tomboy from The Boondocks.

Also, Enkidu is from Osaka, with a heavy accent. You know it's the only way.
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>>21151376
Maybe gilly is an awesome (in the literal sense) fencer and enki is a master of kendo.
After watching gilly she wants to test against the best there and gilly agrees because she is the best, no matter what.
Despite the difference in style, their mastery of their own makes the duel go on for a while til they both slip from exhaustion and get a draw.

May be too over-the-top a scenario, just a thought.
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>>21151455

The Epic of Gilgamesh is made of Over The Top.
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>>21151559
If it's not over the top, it's awesome. If it's not awesome, it's badass. If it's not badass, you are not reading the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Would kendo be the most fitting for enki? Or is there a better one?
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>>21151592

Actually, kendo might fit the both of them. It's entirely possible to be elegant and refined with kendo (think of Saeko Busujima from High School of The Dead). The only thing that bugs me is that people would expect her to have a katana as her weapon as a magical girl, wheres I frankly think the original idea of a revolver is more awesome.

...

Of course, going with the spirit of the Epic, why not go with both?
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>>21151731
Meaning enki came to the city for a kendo competition.
What's the longest a kendo competition big enough to draw all the way from osaka to our city(are we going with tokyo?) would last?
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>>21151731
Magical Girl Gun-kata route is a go.
And this time, we're going full-retard Wuxia mode with this.

EVERYONE AGREE?
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>>21152064

You have my sword. All of them.
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>>21152064
>tg does Epic of Gilgamesh
>NOT making everything as badass as possible, no matter the loss of logic
Of course we're going full wuxia gun-kata.
Magical Martial Hero Girl Epic Gilgamesh
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>>21152153

Fits very well if you assume the three main girls are a "team" of sorts. Enkidu is obviously going to have some sort of massive, brutal melee weapon (a giant sword? a giant axe?), Yuri attacks from afar with her knives (as well as serving in a general support role with her Analysis ability), and Gilgamesh is OF COURSE a perfect combination of melee and ranged ass-kicking with her katana and revolver (as you know, Katanas are Just Better, and Revolvers are Just Better, so really, there could be no other option for Gilly)
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>>21152254
>Yuri, Gilli, Enki on one team
I think the sexual tension would give enough energy alone to fight off entropy.
Can Yuri cope seeing Gilli happy with someone that isn't her? Will she give up, thinking Enki is the better girl?

How do we introduce her, though?
Also, the first time I read last thread I imagined her turning down miss popular thinking she was no where near good enough for such a great person.
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>>21152426
>Also, the first time I read last thread I imagined her turning down miss popular thinking she was no where near good enough for such a great person.

We never came up with a reason back then - that's perfectly good. Shows just how insecure she is. Fits with her "poor, pathetic moe" image.

As for how the two of them met... I can totally see it as being some sort of minor white knighting scenario. Say, a couple years back, right before she learned she was sick (there were few symptoms in the beginning, mostly tiredness and such, so nobody suspected a thing), she suddenly loses consciousness in the middle of class and gets taken to the nurse' office. Next thing she remembers, she wakes up... and Gilly's sitting next to her, because, being the president, she obviously feels obliged to take personal care of all of her students - and in this paritcular case (perhaps due to the aforementioned tragic backstory), they clicked.
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>>21152254
Oh I can imagine it already.
Gilly is ambidextrous and fights combining elements of Rushuna Tendo's (Grenadier -The Senshi of Smiles) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXthy85H_N gun kata with Cloud Strife's (Final Fantasy: Advent Children cloud, specifically) fighting style and a good dose of animu kendo tossed in.

This girl hits you FAST and HARD, and she knows it and is very happy to rub the fact into your nose at every opportunity.
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>>21152499
She likes her despite her being POOR POOR POOR and her family hating that. She even keeps their friendship a secret from her mother.
She might even like her partially because she's free of an overbearing family, while Yuri likes her because she's completely free (from what Yuri knows).
From that the seeds of love grow, but when Gilly confesses, she rejects thinking she'd just be a burden to her 'freedom'.
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Who is going to be the viewpoint character? Yuri, right? Even though she's relatively passive/weak, just like Madoka, she stands in the center of the drama, and most important relationships tie around her.

Gilly may be heroic and awesome, but the story would probably be mostly told from the far more subdued, cynical point of view of the dying girl. That's the thing about mythological heroes like Gilgamesh: they are so grand, so amazing, so unearthly, that you can only admire them from afar. There's no telling what goes on in their minds.

I say the first character we should really flash out, thus, is Yuri.

People agree?
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>>21152777
Yeah, sounds right.
Same applies for Enkidu, being a match for Gilgamesh and all.

She shouldn't be permanent bed ridden, though. Should it be she can only really move around inmagic girl form, and otherwise needs a wheelchair?
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How are we going to handle the fact that Gilgamesh fucks other people's wives ?
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>>21153068
Since Gilly is
1, apparently a lesbian
2, better-than-thou personality
3, thinks she's the best at everything
she probably hits on girls whether or not they have a boy-/girl-friend for fun.
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>>21153106

Well, like we said, there's no need to stick to the myth very much if it really hurts our story. While BASED on the Epic of Gilgamesh, it isn't a retelling.

>>21152869

I think, at this point, even a wheelchair is too limiting. While she needs to be all miserable and sick, it wouldn't do us any good if she'd be so much as to be unable to frequently interact with the other characters.

I'd say at the beginning of the story her condition's still relatively fine (and the treatments haven't gotten to her yet), but she's obviously sick and worsening: she might fall asleep at times, need a break to catch her breath every five minutes, not eat anything, and so on. And I can totally see her wearing one of those woolen "Cancer Kid" cups - they look incredibly moe, and in her case, she's desperately trying to cling to what little hair she has left.

She probably doesn't wash it much either, since, unless you're very, very, VERY gentle, washing your hair when in this condition would likely cause huge clumps of it to get broken off and just stick to the shower floor in a pathetic, wet mess.
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>>21153068
by making gilly super populer?
Honestly you don't have to use every single part of the epic to retell the epic in another medium.
Cut out what doesn't make sense and alter problem parts to make sense. As long as in the end we get the most important parts it'll be fine.
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>Lets take the manliest motherfucker we can think of...
>AND TURN HIM INTO A GIRL LOL
Japan, sometimes I fucking hate you.
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>>21153213

Continuing on this last point, it is likely that she is among the first, if not the VERY first character to make a Contract - wheres Gilgamesh and Enkidu would do so for relatively "vain" reasons, Yuri (at least in her minds) is fighting for her life, literally.

Once again contrasting Gilly, she probably comes from a not-very-well-to-do family - not piss poor, but not affluent, either. The treatments and such might taking a massive financial toll on them, which is likely to only increase her feelings of self-loathing and such ("I'm a burden upon everyone who loves me"), giving her yet more motivation to become a magical girl. Unfortunately, she lacks Gilly or Enkidu's raw power, and so wouldn't last long without their help...

What do you think should be her personality? Cynical? Cheerful despite it all? Melancholy? Determined?

Does she have any hobbies? She obviously can't do sports. Maybe drawing or sketching? (it has to be something low-key enough that Gilly wouldn't even care about competing with her at it)

Does she have any siblings?
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>>21153302
I like the idea of her taking up drawing and occasionally Gilly tries to compete against her only for Yuri to tut her and say "You can't beat a friend at drawing with them".

She's probably happy when she can see her friends and everyone enjoying being with her, but when that's not right in her mind she thinks of how burdensome she is.
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>>21153428
For you to not try hijacking a thread.

So will Ishtar be the one the girls contract with? Will she even be a tsukaima?
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>>21153428
This isn't a general MG/MB thread.
Use another one, if you please.

>>21153302
Cooking.
She's the only one who doesn't suck ass in it, at least in the beginning.
Her family is rather big and she's used to taking care of a lot of chores around the house as well as watching many kids at once.
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Apparently the girl in the bed next to Strawberry Cancer Cure Yuri not only shared the same name, but looked up to her....in a special sort of way.
>Aizawa Yuri
Sailor Princess Eternal Yuri
(Uh Oh.)

>What kind of girl are you?
Insecure
(I'm not so sure about this...)

>What convinced you to make a contract?
I can't let my friend fight alone!
(She needs me to help her!)

>What is your wish?
I wish I could be just like the girl I look up to.
(She's like me but so much better!)

>Weapon
Magic Wand
(Hmmm....)

>Magical Element
Metal
(Oh - syringes, scalpels, and probes.)


>Magical Powers

Invisibility
Through some trick of the light, or perhaps by altering people's perceptions, you can make yourself invisible.
Walk Through Walls
You possess the curious ability to pass through walls and other solid objects.
Wardobe Change
This whimsical magical power lets you change your clothes to pretty much anything you can imagine.

>Costume Elements
Angel Wings
Flower
Bandages
(Bloody flowers on the angel's bandages, just before she skewers you.)

>Crisis
There's something wrong with me. I feel sick, and I'm sure I'm going to die soon unless I can make a wish.
(Yep, same ward.)
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>>21153596
She's Yuri's spy and go between, the one who does the messenger work for her, like all good slightly evil people should have....the subservient one who serves her mistress out of misguided and troubled love, and is the first to fall.
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>>21153697
When did our little Strawberry Yuri become evil?
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>>21153697

The question is, does this story really need two of that stereotype? It's pretty cliche to begin with, and while one is manageable if she has enough personality beyond "sick", isn't two pushing it?

The idea of her having a friend from the hospital isn't too bad, though. Maybe a side character?
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>>21153534

Hard to do all the chores and watching over your little brothers when your body's so busy killing itself.

Delicious tragedy.
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>>21153974
>Hard to do all the chores and watching over your little brothers when your body's so busy killing itself.
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>Delicious tragedy.
We're going full-on SUFFERING modo with this one, aren't we?
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So this thread is basically Saber 2 Electric Boogaloo?
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>>21154005

Is there another way?
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So, summery of what we have so far for her:

Onigawara Yuri
- Hard-working, contemplative, brooding, determined, unyielding
- Large family, lower-middle class. Eldest sister used to taking care of everyone.
- Enjoys cooking and painting.
- Has some sort of really bad medical condition, implied leukemia (?)
- Still not living 24/7 in the hospital, but she's getting weaker by the day.
- Feels that she is now a burden upon her loved ones.
- Wears an adorable hat.
- In Magical Girl mode, conjures and throws knives from afar. Her already impressive perception becomes unnaturally keen.
- Plans to use her Wish to return to full health.

>>21153302

So she needs someone to gently, softly, caringly help her wash her hair?
I think I can see where this is going.
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>>21137448
You're both wrong.

She should be voiced by none other than Miyuki Sawashiro!
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This thread is full of amazing. You are all wonderful people. I can only imagine the 'should not want' face of an ancient mesopotamian seeing all this.
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So
Yuris wish is to become healthy
Gillys wish is to become immortal (for now)

What's Enkis wish?
Also, what's keeping her in the city instead of needing to go home?
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>>21154005
>>21153974
>>21153534
So moe I almost died...
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Is it safe to assume we're done for today?
Should we archive the thread?


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