So why is obama not a parto f the setting

>>21793557
He is, maybe.

>>21793557
I could have sworn that he was a Soviet general in the setting.

>>21793557

He is. Born in Soviet Kenya, he's one of the USSR's foremost generals, fighting mainly on the American Front, putting down Constitutionalist rebels and opposing Nazi advances. He's a hero of the people.

>>21793647
Wasn't there a suggestion someone made that he was secretly born a Constitutionalist and smuggled into Kenya as a young boy as part of a long-term plan to undermine the Soviets? Was that rejected?

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>>21793647
>Born in Soviet Kenya

>>21793671
Just never really discussed, I think. I guess it didn't stick.

>>21793647
>>21793682
>Born in Best Kenya
FTFY

>>21793698
Aww. I liked that idea. It was a hilarious reversal on the birther thing.

>>21793671

I don't recall it, but I haven't reread everything again yet. I could buy it, though it's a bit of a stretch. I mean, for that sort of foresight, you'd need the ability to see the future somehow, and that's not something the Constitutionalists have a thing for.

Though the fact that he's a one-off grand hero of prophecy, destined to bring down both the Soviets and the Nazis could easily be a fact. The reality of said prophecy is another thing entirely.

>>21793729
It might be portrayed as just a rumor among the Soviets, mostly perpetrated by those jealous of comrade Obama's success. The general himself has remained strangely silent on the matter.

>>21793749

I can certainly buy that.

So we've got Arabs and Jews working together in Jerusalem to fight against Nazis, Africa being a relative haven of peace thanks to its low priority amongst Soviet and Nazi commanders (and the relative moderation of the Afrikacorps), and now Obama being accused of being an American infiltrator in Soviet society.

This is fast becoming Bizzaro-Earth. And I love it.

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I keep screwing this up.

Most recent map of the setting

>>21793786
as the guy behind the Arab and Jew team up, it wasn't so much to be bizzaro-Earth, as I felt it made sense in this setting.

>>21793786
It was mentioned that the bloodline of Vlad the Impaler had reemerged from Wallachia and claimed Romania, with ambitions to conquer the Ottoman successor states. The Nazis are probably using them to deal with the Jews and Arabs who might invade through the Balkans.

Elizabeth Bathory was also mentioned, but never given a definite role.

>>21793813
a few notes on this map. While both Africa and South East Asia are colored the same, the situation is vastly different.
Africa is fairly peaceful, just split up between Soviet and Nazi puppet states. I could actually be colored that way, but it hasn't been decided who controls what yet.

South East Asia I picture as near constant battles, with Island being constantly contested, shipping lanes attacked, and pretty much a hellhole for everyone involved.

So every new recruit wants to get sent to Africa, and the only place worse than the Asian islands in the Finnish front.

Also an idea I had for the British. We've established that the Queen has made a pact with the Fae, and thus the Brits have access to glamours.

Because of this I figured the British could have a big influence in helping keep trade going between the various free states and the Constitutionalists. Without the British glamours the Soviets and Nazi's would be able to set up blockades.

>>21793846
Yeah, weren't vampires involved?

>>21793813

Australia run by the Nazis? I thought they were a Soviet-run wasteland?

>>21793846

That'd actually be pretty cool. Turkey never really had much of an alignment towards either the Nazis or the Soviets, remaining neutral most of the way. If we've got the maybe-vampire bloodline of Vlad Dracul running shit in Romania, the Nazis could well have used the Draculesti as a buffer, funding them so successfully that they were able to push across the straits and occupy most of Turkey, at least, those parts not protected by Djinn. Matches up with the map as well, having them be a Vampire Protectorate allied closely with the Nazis. Cool.

>>21793917

I can get behind that. The submarine Albion could be a massive bane for Soviet and Nazi shipping, as well as providing a way to get goods and people from free state to free state. Though the problem is that their directions and movements are dictated by the Queen, whose orders are often bizarre and inexplicable. So one day it might turn up at a particular port, happy to trade goods and take on letters and parcels on the understanding that it's going to a particular place, only to return the very next day as if the previous visit never happened.

>>21794152
>Australia
I as told Nazis.

>Balkan Vampires
While I've got them colored as Nazi Puppet states, and I've just put in a note "here be vampires".
So I'm going with the idea that the Vamps do a big job in terms of keeping the people in line, but there are a lot of Nazi weapons and even troops throughout the country.

>>21793917
It would make sense, especially since back when the timeline diverges from ours in WW2 Britain at least liked to think of itslef as a major power. Smuggling goods as favours might not be the most dignified role for a once great power to have but better than being overshadowed by ex-colonies that feel they owe it little respect.

>>21794179

>So I'm going with the idea that the Vamps do a big job in terms of keeping the people in line, but there are a lot of Nazi weapons and even troops throughout the country.

Sounds like a plan. Just like Italy and Spain, Dracula's successors like to imagine themselves as strong and independent, but their status as allies of the Nazis, means they've lost a great deal of their independence.

As for Australia, I'm not sure. It's nice for the Nazis to get a bit more territory, but it's in a part of the world that makes more sense for the Soviets, being closer to their centre of power and not likely to opt for one side over the other.

So is the Australian technocracy no longer a thing?

>>21794263

Oh it is. But the actual land of Australia was conquered fairly early on. The Australian government and a substantial slice of their population, along with their archives of dangerous animals, and selections of high technology, fled to Antarctica, where they're hiding out with the aid of some high-technology stealth fields.

>>21793539
Can haiti get zombies?

>>21794381
I was thinking about having the Constitutionalists expanding outside of the USA's original borders, and Haiti would kinda fit.

What do others think?

>>21794381

Voodoo and Werewolves. How horrifying.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/786e3f7e-0d09-11df-a2dc-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2DYVUgY1m

Though they'd be much more in line with traditional voodoo ideas about zombies than just shambling corpses.

>>21794422

I could certainly see them making alliances across borders, sharing knowledge of the afterlife and that sort of thing. The Constitutionalist's big thing is being massively American and patriotic, so the fact that the continental landmass of the States is split between Soviet industrial horrors and Nazi demon-worshippers is going to be a far higher priority than expanding their territory elsewhere.

But yeah, I could see a sort of coalition of resistance forming, especially when they share an interest in the afterlife. Hell, maybe the Japanese are involved as well.

>>21794251
Spain balkanized during its civil war. The North is held by Nationalists with backing from Nazis while the south is split into several smaller states. Some of them embrace their own cultural heritage, with some siding with the Arabs, while others reject the rule of the Nationalists on ideological basis. The north has declared a new Reconquista on the south in response. Basically, it's a giant fustercluck with a shitload of states claiming to be the "true" Spain.

>>21794530
This was discussed, but with pretty much everything around Spain being controlled by the Nazis, it didn't really make sense for the non-Nazi supporters to hold out.

So Spain is pretty much controlled by the Fascists. Some might have fled to the Arab free states or be resisting though.

>>21794530

My problem with that it pushes back the time at which the timeline split. The civil war was long since over by the time the second world war started, which is when I thought the timeline split from ours. Equally, since the setting is almost-modern day (since Obama is about), I don't see a coalition of small warring states standing up to the Nazi/Fascist war machine, at least not for a long time. The Arab free state is at the wrong end of the Mediterranean to help much, and Rommel's Afrikacorps would have taken over most of the north of Africa, meaning there's no support coming from there.

So unless we can come up with a good reason for the Southern Republic to stay independent, I can't really see it happening.

>>21794609
Couldn't the Free French army be involved in the south?

>>21794609
>>21794639

Which isn't to say that there won't be a Republican/Anarchist/Communist/Catholic resistance movement, struggling as much with each other as with the Fascists and the increasing Nazi presence.

>>21794640

The Free French are probably mostly on the run. Maybe based a little around France's former colonies. They don't really have many friendly ports to run to, other than maybe getting help from the Soviets.

>>21793539
>>21794530
You know how we have old figures of legends coming back? Why not have El Cid protecting Valencia? Maybe even have Valencia as a free-city, maybe with Papal support to hold of the Demon Nazis

>>21794664
that's fine, but Spain would still be considered a Nazi Puppet State.
There are a LOT of resistance movements. IIRC part of this setting is that at the time we're in (typically agreed to be Modern times with a somewhat 80's vibe) the resistance movements are starting to get their act together

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Off to dinner.

>>21794865
Looking at this makes me think that maybe there should be a third power bloc. Something to keep the conflict from going stale or one-sided?

>>21794980
We've got a few power blocs mate
The Nazi's
The Sov's
The New Australian Technocracy
The Constitutionalists
The Japanese Imperial Raiding Fleet
Both sides of the Chinese Civil War
The Finnish Resistance
The Swiss Confederation
The Mexican Cartels
And probably more that I've missed

>>21795007
Yeah, but the Nazis and the Soviets are pretty much conquering everything. I'm just thinking about if there should be a third superpower to balance against the two on a global level.

>>21794980

The way I see it, the conflict has been pretty stale. It's a bit 1984, what with the Nazis and Soviets settling into a cold war where neither can really get the lead on the other, neither wants to make a major offensive against the other, and so they both settle into a routine of oppressing their own people, occasionally swapping states in Africa and South-East Asia and trying to research and development their way to victory.

It's only "now" that the geopolitical arrangement is starting to come apart at the seams. The resistance movements and free states round the world are starting to cooperate more and, by working together, they've got serious potential to start overturning the world order.

Or, to put it another way, there is a third power bloc, The Free States. They just aren't unified enough to seriously pose a threat, only to act as a soak for Nazi and Soviet aggression.

>>21795072
Not really, they exist in a very delicate detente. If one expands anymore, they'll go to war, which neither wants. And the world being on the brink of nuclear war at all times is pretty grim dark, which fits the setting well
>>21795074
And everything this guy said. Plus the old myths are coming back, and they are pissed

I posted my attempt at Canadian writefaggotry in an earlier thread, but just as it died. Did that get looked over?

>>21795127
Was that the spiritualist stuff? Ghost forts and whatnot?
Sorry dude, but Canada has been made STALKER with Inuits. But I don't see why a bunch of tribes wouldn't be interested in contacting their ancestor spirits for protection

>>21794980
The lord's resistance army?

>>21795181
Africa is actually fairly nice in this setting. Its not that important so it tends to play host to more moderate commanders who don't want to turn their area of operations into another Midwest Wasteland

>>21795127

Okay, one thing - what exactly did Canada do post war? Canada would have been where the British government would have intended to go if Britain fell. Of course there was that Submarine thing. I think that certain British government officials didn't gel with the Fae submarine thing - parts of Canada should be a rump British state who have had to suck up their pride and allied with natives for protection - the natives "own" most of Canada, probably with migration from the parts of the U.S. that were conquered. The British area is mostly only the Maritime states, and then up the St. Lawrence.

>>21795166
the IRL canadian PM of the time actually tried to talk with ghosts on a regular basis. completely ditching that feels like a waste.

>>21795243
I get the feeling the USSR, unrestrained by Nazi invasion, finished kicking Imperial Japan out of China (possible reason Japan retreats behind the Kamikaze wall?) and went on to invade Alaska. Considering the Nazi's invaded the East Coast of the US they probably hit Canada too, leading to Canada becoming the blasted irradiated hell hole it is today

I see Switzerland is still free. Please tell me it is protected by a ghostly William Tell and a legion of phantom crossbowmen.

>>21795256
Did not know that. I'm not saying ditch it by any means, just tone it down a little? Maybe that PM, or his descendants lead a tribe of ghost talkers, capable of cutting deals with the other side

Possibly have leprechaun Irish?

Maybe whole island is magical and travel around on it raiding various powers?
Or would that seem to similar to the english?

>>21795286
>Implying it's not protected by swiss pikemen

>>21795286
Nope, a massive intelligence machine (both spies and a clockwork Collossus), advance psychological warfare and a small amount of time/space manipulation magitech, bound up in a contract to a supernatural entity capable of scaring the shit out of the toughest daemons the Nazi's can summon

>>21795166
>>21795127

Yeah, people seemed rather content with Canada being a devastated wasteland, from a little nuclear, biological, genetic and chemical weapons testing from both Nazis and Soviets. I like what you did though, so I'd be up for combining them. Lemme throw this out there.

Things unfolded much like you described, only the capital was moved much further north (my Canadian geography is off, so name a suitable town). The ghostly defenders of the south struggle to differentiate between various factions of the living (with a few individual exceptions), so it's impossible to live there. The Nazis and Soviets, unable to make a land-push into Canadian territory, decided to just call it a loss and used the land as a testing ground.

The Canadian state survives further to the north, huddled in bunkers and living as the native inhabitants once did, in inhospitable land that the Nazis and Soviets deem too expensive to invade and hold (since they'd need a full naval or air-borne invasion) and because there's no obvious profit from it.

As time goes by, though, research is done into ways to pierce through the spectral defences. If only to crush one of the few free states as a matter of course. The natural resource wealth is a handy incentive as well.

>>21795282

Yeah but Canada is sort of, you know, big. I actually like the idea mentioned above that American native tribes fled en masse to Canada and maybe went a little nuts in summoning spirits for protection. The Northern parts of Canada are probably infested with Wendigo.

And yeah, William Lion McKenzie King needs to be the one who signs the deal with the natives who protect Canada.

>>21795313
Are we rolling with this eldritch abomination stuff? It's never really been discussed, just mentioned. I'm not to keen on the idea myself.

>>21795334
Maybe work his spiritualism into the deal, he got the natives on side by communing with their ancestors?
>>21795326
This I like. Adds to the STALKER vibe, having a small network of survivors bunkered down in what is, to any other faction, unsurvivable terrain. Maybe thats why they've lasted so long, no one quite believes that anybody, hell anything, could survive the Great Northern Wastes

>>21795303

What with the whole traditional beliefs coming true and old powers coming back, it makes sense Ireland will be full of weird shit going on. But, since the government at the time was content to stay neutral, I'd have figured it wouldn't have stood independent long.

Plenty of room for a new Irish Resistance against a new occupying power though, backed by all sorts of traditional weirdness.

Oh, it is even more bloated than world of warcraft!

>>21795326
I like the idea of Canada being partially fucked over by its own ghosts. One of the main reasons they fled north was because there were fewer graves, and therefore fewer looney ghosts running around trying to kill everyone. One of the main dilemmas Canada faces on a regular basis is getting the freshly dead southward before their spirits rise, as well as trying to pick off cabals of Thule Society agents trying to develop methods of permanently defeating the ghosts.

Also mentioned earlier was Wendigo, the bloodsuckers to the Canadian STALKER zone, who I'd imagine being as portrayed in Supernatural: horrifyingly cunning cannibalistic hunters with inhuman speed and strength that only the most resourceful mounties can defeat.

Alright, a Canada-fag reporting in.

First off - Canada is big, with lots of differing cultural areas. Right now the map sort of has the border be straight with the U.S. one which doesn't make much sense. I'd say that the Maritime area up until Quebec was conquered by the Nazis, in line with the Nazi control of the Eastern Seaboard. Quebec can be a Vichy Quebec.

The West side of Canada is likely owned by the Soviets.

The British Loyalists in Canada... let's see. Oooh! Let's have the Capital be Churchill. Good location and the irony of the name is perfect.

Southern Canada between East and West is likely irritated Wasteland. The Middle North is owned by the British Loyalists with their tenuous alliance with Native shamans.

>>21795357
No, neither am I. I'd leave it unexplained myself, the only beings who know are daemons and they ain't talking on this one. Some theories for people to use though: 1. Its a eldritch abomination. Swiss made a deal with something worse than the devil. Its cliche, but it works
2. They hired a fallen angel, somehow
3. They hired an actual angel. Switzerland used to be pretty damn religious, maybe they attracted help from on high?
4. Simply put, they beat the Nazi's to the punch and offered the Realm Infernal a better deal

>>21795357

I initially suggested the idea that they'd made a deal with something that frightened the Nazi's demons. But I'm not massively wedded to the idea. The psychological warfare stuff, combined with some vast clockwork machine and traditional neutrality gives them plenty of room to remain independent without adding eldritch horrors into the mix.

Plus, it leaves the "bound their souls with something from beyond time and space" deal to some other country.

>>21795398
Wasn't there an idea for a controlled Wendigo tribe kicked around for a bit?

Okay so Canada is roughly four areas lets say

Eastern Canada - Nazis
Western Canada - Soviets
Southern Canada - Contested, but mostly ghost-riddled/nuclear wasteland
Northern Canada - British Loyalist Territory, using alliance with Native Shamans, as well as the inhospitable terrain, to keep the Nazis and Soviets away. Capital at Churchill

>>21795243
>>21795412

I'd have relations be somewhat strained between the British on the submarine and the British Loyalists in Canada. The British on the submarine (aside from republican and nationalist resistance/terror groups hiding in its innards) are devoted to their queen, partially because of her magic and partially because, y'know, she's the Queen. Maybe the reason the submarine left Canada in the first place, when it was relatively safe, was that the Queen's influence can't work on too large a group, so substantial parts of her government started disagreeing with her.

The Queen and those loyal to her left on the submarine (along with anyone unlucky enough to be on board at the time). Those left behind were the ones who noticed that the Queen wasn't quite right (the pitch black eyes should really have given people pause for thought).

Bam, instant tension between two free states.

>>21795487

I can get behind this, definitely.

>>21795413
They could get protection from the Vatican in exchange for providing muscle for the demon-hunting mafia. It's not completely out of left-field, with the Swiss Guard being in stationed in Vatican City for hundreds of years. Even if they can't buy protection they could just be stealing the necessary knowledge on how to do so directly from the Vatican Secret Archives.

>>21795489

I like the idea of tension, but the two entities still support each other. If the Free Canada capital is at Churchill, it's on the Hudson bay - maybe the Submarine occasionally takes refuge there.

I also like the idea of involving WLMK in ghost summoning.

>>21795511
Actually had an idea for the Secret archives, but it hinges on the Vatican still being independent
Is it or has the Holy See become a Nazi protectorate with the true faith continuing underground?

Just gonna dump the summarized version of Switzerland from the last thread, without the eldritch stuff, since you guys don't seem to have decided on that yet.

>The Swiss should have something with clocks or something related to time. I'd prefer if they stick with using tech instead of magic, since there's a lot of magic in this setting and not much tech.

>Should they be kept neutral? If they are then I think they should be bunkered down inside their mountains and in tunnels running under their land. That's actually not far from reality.

>In the last thread it was suggested that it was basically a melting pot of spies from all countries, with schemes and mind games being played by everyone against each other. The Swiss base their psychological warfare doctrine, employed against foreign agents, on psychoanalytic theories.

>To give them a handicap, I say the Swiss military should be fragmentized. Some military men defect to join the Nazis, others join resistance groups, some pursue mercenary life (because they're Swiss) and some remain with the military. It would probably make sense for some to have ties to the Vatican and the demon-slaying Mafia as well. Basically, the only reason they remain neutral is because they all have ties to different Great Powers, unable to reach consensus on which to align with. The people who want to remain truly neutral throughout the conflict are the ones who go underground.

>I think we should go with them being to split internally on what to do, with all the different factions working against each other almost as much as they do foreign powers. The entire country is basically one big clusterfuck with no one quite sure what's going on, not even the Swiss.

>Them using both magic and superscience could be explained by them stealing what arrives with foreign agents, and different factions getting supplied from foreign backers. They don't excel at either compared to the big players, but they get by.

>>21795544
The True Faith forces are based in Switzerland, clearly with the Swiss Guard.

>>21795487

Yeah, I think this is the best way to deal with Canada.

>>21795544
>>21795511

I don't think the Vatican on its own is strong enough to stand up and be independent. I'd imagine that as the Nazi's influence spread and the full extent of how thoroughly in line with Demons they were, there'd be an uprising from Catholics and other Christians (sectarian differences don't really matter when the other side is dealing with Demons), but without any real power, they'd have been easily put down.

So nowadays, the official Catholic Church is a tiny organisation that no-one really gives a shit about, and that has no real power. The True Catholic Church, along with other Christian groups is an underground resistance movement all across Europe, secretly passing round ancient secrets and exorcism rituals.

Since we're talking Canada and I recall the constitutionists had dinosaur minions maybe they hold the area around Drumheller as a source of dinosaur parts. The fossils that became gemstones in the area might hold special power or something.

>>21795586
Damn, was hoping the Archives might be around.
Or maybe they are? As >>21795572 says, the Swiss Guard are sworn to protect the Papacy, maybe they moved it to Switzerland, along with the archives?

>>21795604

Sure - I figure Southern Canada is being jumped upon by Soviets, Nazis and Constitutionalists trying to grab the resources and stuff. Which is why its so irradiated and wasted - magic and nukes all over the place.

>>21795640

Either they've been moved wholesale into Switzerland, or they're no longer in one place, but in a hundred different Archives across Europe, hidden in cellars and caves, or secreted in amongst less threatening libraries.

>>21795656
This I like, gives something to temporarily empower the Nazi's, as they discover the ancient lore the Archives once contained, and something for Swiss players to argue over.
On the one hand, any intelligence at all assists their nation, on the other they promised to assist the Swiss Guard however they could

>>21793539
This may be a bit over the top, even THAT GUYish, but what if Japan was overrun with tentacle monsters?

>>21795698

Yeah, hunting down Vatican Archive material could be a good game set up either for Nazi or Swiss Agents. Maybe the Swiss government is trying to obtain them secretly, while publicly professing the need to stand by the Swiss Guard.

>>21795717

But why?

>>21795717
Bit that guyish.
But, Oz has its combat wombats, so I see no reason why Japan can't have ATTACK SQUID!
I'm sorry, that was such a B-movie title it needed to be in caps lock

>>21795736
Nuclear fallout in the pacific mutating squid and octopi?
>>21795744
Kewl

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>>21795604
Those gem fossils are awesome.

>>21795827

In that case, yeah, sure. Maybe some of the Japanese shinto magic lets them control these mutated squid?

>>21795857
A boon given by Susano-o?

>>21795857
So, ATTACK SQUID!
Sorry, I'll stop now.
Did we ever go into detail about Asia? I feel like Hong Kong and Singapore should be relatively alright, surviving the Japanese occupation and the Chinese Civil War relatively intact. Now they exist as free cities, infiltrated by all factions, but never quite important enough to be worth conquering
Rumours abound that if you want it, it can be found in the Hong Kong Night Markets. From Nazi medals hocked on the black market, to, some say, the services of the Japanese Ghost Raiders

>>21795913

Well, if the Nationalists are in charge, then I'm sure Hong Kong will be a pretty cool place to be, but the Communists would probably be less open, considering their almost-good relations with the Soviets. Just depends where we wanna draw the lines of control for each side.

No idea for Singapore though.

>>21795487

Yeah, I think the map should be updated with this.

And I am liking the idea on Hong Kong.

>>21795983
I'm saying neither is in control. Hong Kong is out on a limb in the setting anyway, technically still a British....whatever the fuck we called it. Protectorate I think? Anyway, without London giving instructions and without Imperial Japan or Communist China trying to take the place over, I assume they'd just stay the course, try to keep the city running by letting everyone in

>>21795913
Not much has been said of Southeast Asia. We can assume that they are being raided by the Japanese every now and then. Most countries over there would lack a stable regime after decolonization, so, it's not too farfetched to say that there might be modern pirate cities dotting the region.

Being more politically inclined I'm not very knowledgeable on the myths and shit of most cultures in that region, but I know that Thailand's monarchy is regarded as very close to being divinity, with the monarch also being head of the Buddhist faith. So, you know, something could maybe be done with that.

>>21796050
Hong Kong borders Nationalist territory in this setting, so the maoists are probably not a big problem. There would still be British forces stationed there unless they got ordered to leave or killed off. If they heard about the situation back home how would they react? Just keep going or start thinking about themselves? Maybe the Brits who're stuck there choose to go pirate or something.

>>21796206
Maybe, more likely the went full stiff upper lip and carried on regardless. Maybe they are a safe harbour for new albion in the pacific?
And Hong Kong more or less runs it self IRL, one country two systems and all that, so maybe the nationalists backed off to focus on beathing Mao's clone horde

>>21796258
IRL, sure, they're relatively autonomous. However, if they're backing a foreign power, which may be differ in agenda, I don't think they'd just let it be. The Nationalists are fighting the Maoists. The Soviets are fighting with the Maoists. The Soviets are also fighting the Nazis, which is something the Brits could probably sympathize with. But can the Brits work with the Nationalists without angering the Soviets?

>>21796383
Britain isn't a power anymore. Her Majesty and co escaped on a massive submarine when the Nazi's invaded the British Isles. So Hong Kong is cut off, no faction wants to cross the battlelines of the Chinese Civil War, nor is it worth taking the island by sea and having to fight past Japanese raiders, New Australian SAG (Smash and Grab) teams and the pirates that infest the Phillipines to supply it

>>21796383

That's not a setting problem. That's a plot hook.

So is suggesting that obama is a communist the basis for this entire setting? Or is it done in spirit of the sheer awesomeness that could have been?

>>21796503
Nah, we took one look at OP's pic and decided, nay demanded a setting be made to contain such an awesome picture. Because seriously, Obama looks badass in that Ushunka
Check the original thread, there are links on the bottom of the 1d4chan page for this

>>21796429
It was mentioned >>21796258 that the Brits might make port in Hong Kong. I was simply pointing out that it would give the Nationalists reason to move in. I just want to help with fleshing the place out, you know, throwing things out there to see what people can come up with. I'm thinking this could be a fun campaign, with the Nationalists moving to take over Hong Kong after the Her Majesty's submarine is discovered in the region.

>>21796560
I like that idea. Like the Nationalists are pissed they left the back door open

>>21796503
ISLAMABAMA is a supercommie born in Best Kenya, who now leads the Soviet armies as a general in a divided America.

You know, for Great Britiain, has anybody thought of doing anything about Sir Francis Drake's drum? The whole "getting invaded by Nazis" thing would probably be enough to convince him to come back.

Just think about it. You're in a Nazi supply convoy just leaving the British Isles when a huge fog bank rolls in. And then suddenly, ancient ships of line flying Royal Navy colors just seem to melt out of the fog...

Even the mighty Bismark avoids the fog whenever it can.

>>21796560

The British authorities in JHong Kong are probably the same as the ones in Canada. Still loyal to the old country, but not entirely sure about the Queen. So it'd be pretty easy for the authorities to refuse official access to the submarine, whilst still letting it surface not too far away as the Queen's Loyalists move goods and people from the submarine to the harbor and back. This secret movement would indeed give a reason to invade for another party.

>>21796594

I think it shouldn't really be a major thing. Just another one of those traditional beliefs and folk tales coming back to life to haunt the modern world.

>>21795412
quick explaination for the straight border with the USA. I started with a map that only had the national borders, and mainly just use paints fill button. So the straight line is because it's that way on the current map.
Lots of borders are probably different than they are on the map, but this was the quickest way.

>>21795487
I'll start updating the map in a bit

>>21795544
I had mentioned earlier that the Catholic Church fled the Vatican, and are in exile, primarily hidden in Sicily. The Mafia agrees to help them, as the Mafia is Catholic and hates the fascists. So the Mafia and the Church work together as a resistance movement.

having part of the church moved to Switzerland sounds good to, but I think they should still be underground.

Maybe the Cardinals now are actually the heads of the Underground movement in each formerly largely Catholic nation.

I suggest you guys focus on irrelevant nations a lot more, because otherwise this is doomed to turn into a US/UK circle jerk.

>>21796636
Still, the idea of Sir Francis Drake mucking about the oceans and ruining the days of both Soviet and Nazi sailors is pretty fun.

>>21796594
Well, it obviously didn't work. Britain is currently tasting the leathery sole of the Nazis' magical marschstiefel.

>>21796683
Well, ships can only do so much.

They can't go onto land, for starters.

>>21796663
US doesn't exist, nor does UK really. US was wiped out between the Sovs invading the West Coast and the Nazi's rolling up the East, with the half crazed necromancers of the Constitutionalists and their zombie overlord Presidents running the show
UK also fell when the Sealion crossed the Channel, and the last remnants of the old order fled aboard a huge submarine along with their now half-Fae Queen

>>21796663

People find it easiest to talk about them, since that's where we're mostly from (I'd imagine), but everything else is coming along as well.

>>21796697
The Bismarck III begs to differ!

>>21796681
He could be part of the crew of their submarine, charting courses for lost booty that might fund or otherwise aid them in taking back their land. Or maybe the Queen wants it for some other reason.

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Updated Map with divided Canada.

if the contested region looks small, please recall
A) this map projection is distorted
B) 90% of Canadians currently live within 100 miles of the US border.

>>21796730
Well, I know its more Indian, but reincarnation could be a thing
Also, talking about India and submarines, can we plant a Nemo character on the New Albion

>>21796683
>>21796697

yeah, I like the idea of the British being a true naval power now.
As in, there only presence at all it at sea.

Having just the one submarine makes them pretty weak, even for stuff like blockade running on a global scale. So maybe in addition to the Queens Sub they have ghost ships, and smaller vessels with agents who can use glamours.

Basically the Brits are spoken of a bit like how fairies are, they appear and disappear out of no where. They have a kingdom with a Queen that is located on no earthly land.

How's Latin America doing? And please, try to keep focus on the states in that region.

>>21796706
That's the problem. Shit needs to be tacky and inaccurate.

I elect that nobody should be able to theorize about his own country!

What if the United Arab League found alien technology in the pyramids, or beneath Jerusalem?

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>>21796841
Awww...but I wanted to write up a Nemo expy aboard the New Albion.
Fine, have a proposed design for the Bismarck III. I know super science is a Soviet thing, but Nazi's did like their hugely OTT military projects. I imagine this was made more to shut up the Naval board's traditionalists than for anything else

>>21796900

Their thing is the alliance with the Djinn. Adding aliums in there might be a bit much.

>>21796907

I don't see how that precludes Nemo being around somewhere. Though being as he was very anti-imperialism, I wouldn't see him working with the British. If anything he could have his own nautilus somewhere.

>>21796841
I can dig this.

>>21796907
That's not the Bismarck. Bismarck is the Bismarck.

The Nazis literally found and summoned the damned soul of Otto von Bismarck, having been warped into a massive, nightmarish leviathan with blood of molten iron that swam the fiery seas of Hell. Bound to the will of the Third Reich, Bismarck now swims the Atlantic ocean, widely believed to be the Nazis' best hope of finding and destroying the British queen.

What Bismarck thinks of the new Germany is either entirely unknown, or heavily censored.

>>21796964
OK, he's just distant enough, being Indian written by the French. Don't want to introduce fictional characters to this though, makes it a little too League of Extraordinary Gentleman.

>>21797002

The British have Something to do with James Bond, be it the actual guy, or a concept that British agents can invoke to gain additional power on missions. And a previous writefag mentioned a Mr Jones who was an archaeologist. Having fictional characters is fine by me, as long as they're little background notes, nothing important.

>>21797059
But Britain already has a real life James Bond.

His name is Ian Fleming.

>>21797283

Clearly, Fleming was the inventor of the Bond Protocol.

>>21796838
I dunno. How is Latin America doing?

>>21797692
I'd say, like Mexico. Someone suggested the "drug countries" be lead by huge crime syndicates who form armies of chemically enhanced warriors. ready to do absolutely anything for their fix.

>>21797789
Isn't the Amazon alive and out for blood in this?
And I remember stuff about bringing back something called "The War of Flowers" or something

>>21797789
I dunno about Drug Cartels

Not every latin country is a drug hell like Mexico is

>>21797860
No, but Columbia and Bolivia are close. I did say "drug countries".

>>21797839
This is an alternate history that branches out after WW2.

>>21797839
Is the Amazon expanding?

I thought it remained isolated and just killed everyone who dared to enter it

>>21797891
Ah OK, so its stationary. We think. We hope. Either due to Sov slash and burn operations or lacking the ability to do so the Amazon stays put
And this is what I was talking about earlier, the flower war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_war

>>21797933
It would be awesome if cults dedicated to the old pantheons started popping up, complete with blood sacrifices.

I have a proposal.

We create a wiki for this setting, make a page for every country as seen in this list

>http://www.state.gov/misc/list/index.htm

And write a background for them in alphabetical order.

>>21797692
Okay, so Mexico is a drug country - but when did that happen? The Cartel Wars on the scale they are is a fairly recent thing.

>>21797881

Soviets own Colombia
Soviets now own Western Canada

Please tell me that there is a British Colombia now..

>>21798053
A most excellent idea. I'd stick around to help out best I can, but I'm signing off for tonight. It sucks having to get up early in the morning.

>>21798082
Soviets/Nazis invaded, dissolved the government and left a small administration, which was quickly overrun while the superpower focused on the Constitutionalist menace.

Here's a thought.

What if there was a Constitutionalist Bloc in South- West Africa, expanding from Liberia?

This was the area that most of the slaves sent to the U.S. came from - and Liberia was actually created by the U.S. back in the day as a "repatriation" style slave colony. As well, West Africa was where the basis of Voodoo originated. And with Nazi's to their North, the West Africans might have been pushed in the 60's or 70's to unite, and joined the Constitutionalists.

>>21798398

Intruiging.

>>21798398
at the very least this would give the Nazi's another conflict front, which they need.
Because right now there are lot of regions where it makes sense for the Soviets to be fighting, but the Nazis are only really fighting in America

>>21796758
Can someone update teh map on 1d4chan? My internet doesn't seem to be liking it.

>>21798398

Yeah, I'm liking turning this area Constitutionalist. More stuff in Africa and explains how the Constitutionalists can contest the Carribean.

>>21798398
>2012
>Not having your west african allies summon evil spirits, cast dark spells, create zombies, and use fetishes for you

ISHYGDDT

>>21798835
Sounds legit.

>>21799375
More legit than having your japanese allies summon tentacle monsters?

>>21798790
Since we're focusing on expanding Constitutinalist power right now, why not have them mucking about in South America, raising Simon Bolivar from the dead? He'd fuck up the Soviets something fierce

>>21800153

Yes, even more legit.

>>21800153
much much more legit

Do the Nazis have actual nukes (uranium/plutonium get mad, go boom), or something equal/worse in demonic form?

>>21805080
I'd say something worse in demon form. Maybe they install a summoning circle in a huge bomber that drops one pissed off high level demon onto the target?
Or they purposefully screw up the ceremony to create some kind of raging hell mouth

>>21805080

I think both sides actually have nukes. The Americans probably never did, because they never went to war. So the Soviets and Nazis got stuck into a cold war, MAD situation, where neither wanted to unleash their most powerful weapons on the other.

The Soviets though, probably have the better nuclear bombs, with the Nazis having some Occult Equivalent.

>>21797933

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_war

As cool as Flower Wars are as a concept, they don't really work in a setting where there's Nazi and Soviet armies encroaching on your territory. They make perfect sense for regional superpowers, but there's no need to fight fake wars to gain human sacrifices. There's plenty of real war to go around.

>>21800351
>>21798398

I'd have thought it would more be an alliance rather than the Constitutionalists properly taking control. It'll be something like an arc of resistance movements that concentrate on dealing with the dead. They've probably got secret conferences where they share techniques and send ghosts and zombified birds to send messages to each other.

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Potential Division of Africa including the West African Zombie Resistence

>>21806375

Looks good.

But for the love of god spell "Borders" correctly in China.

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>>21806388
fixed. Any other glaring spelling mistakes, I'm helpless without spellcheck.

>>21806986

Other than "Mid-Western Battlegrouns", nope.

The map's really starting to come together. I was slightly concerned with earlier ones that the Nazis looked to be holding far less territory, but now it's looking a lot more balanced.

>>21807033
I had the same concerns, so I've made an effort to changing that. A big one was giving Turkey to the Nazi.

Also now the Nazis have a similar amount of contested territory to the Soviets, which I'm happy about.

Think this is about ready to put on the 1d4chan page?

>>21807155

Stick it on there. When it gets updated, as it inevitably will, we can change it.

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so there was already a map on the Wiki, it differs from mine in some key aspects.

The other map

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and here's my idea of a compromise map between my last one on the one currently on the wiki.

The big thing for me is who controls the Australian landmass.

I'll let people way in for a bit before decide whether to change whats on the wiki

>>21805801
Not sure about some kind of Necromantic alliance tbh, all the resistance movements working together is pretty much end game. But maybe the exchange is in reverse, the necromantic elements in the Constitutionalists came from Liberia, moving back to the US to try and help
As for the flower war, have them fight it against the nazi's and the sov's, and infighting over who gets the slaves

>>21807537
I like the rest of it, but Australia should be either split between the Sov's and the Nazi's or left as unoccupied wasteland. Its too far away from the Nazi power blocks, same for India

Is Russian LIGHTING CHARGED ESP!! still a thing?
I liked it.

>>21807922

Personally, I'd have India as a Soviet State. It's close enough to the main mass of the USSR, and Communism's got a pretty good history there to act as a fifth column for a Soviet invasion. There's not really any reason for the Nazis to be there.

As for Australia, the Soviets seem like the natural people to invade and occupy it. But if we wanted to take a particularly large bit of land out of Soviet hands for balancing purposes, it'd be easy enough to have had the Australians leave behind some of technological terror to make the invaders pay.

>>21807968

It's most definitely a thing. The exact success rate of their procedures and experiment is probably somewhat lower than what a safer and more sane process could achieve.

>>21807999
Well, the Aussies had to have some wide flat area with lots of free space where no one lives to test their early bio weapons.
And maybe split India between local control and Sov control? Or something, I feel the Nazi's would have a right boner for capturing the supposed origin site of the Aryan race after all

So, the Indians have lots of monkey people and minor godlings assisting them. How does this fare?
This is getting closer and closer to a modern version of Dominions 3

>>21808052
>>21808059

Perhaps, though the Soviets control the greater part of the sub-continent, resistance groups have carved out a little free state in the north, especially around the borders with Tibet and Nepal. These particular resistance groups have actually been getting support from the Nazis, who secretly smuggle artefacts out and weapons and supplies into the heartland of the Aryan race.

I still have no idea exactly what special stuff the Indians have to hand though.

>>21808174
Monkey kings, minor godlings and, if possible, a weaponised reincarnation cycle. Every now and again a great warrior is reborn who grows to his fomer strength abnormally quickly. Not sure if there's a precedent for that, but I like the idea of continous council of reincarnated souls in various states of growing up, like that Monk leader in Discworld

>>21808010
> safer
> sane
Are you a Nazi plant intended to undermine our glorious scientific advances or just a scared counterrevolutionary stuck in the past?

>>21796838
Probably busy fighting a constant war of attrition with the Nazis.
All dat dere sweet, sweet knowledge hidden away in the ancient jungles must be like crack for them.

>>21808285
>safer
>saner
>Nazi
Pick none of the above, report to the nearest Commissar

>>21808202

That, to me, sounds more like a recipe for chaos, rather than an organised resistance. Maybe the sub-continent is an ever-changing mass of tiny kingdoms and states, that rise and fall as their respective heroes live and die.

>>21808285
>>21808380

While I was relating it to someone like Switzerland, the facts are that blood sacrifice is a far safer and reliable way of empowering mortal humans than relying on poorly designed and unreliable Soviet technology. And, of course, it's even safer if the intended recipient of said power has a strong and pure bloodline.

And the only "people" who ever get hurt by it have blood that's so filthy and corrupted that they can barely be considered people at all.

Not a Nazi, btw.

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>>21808382
This I like, with the Empire gone but without Ghandi unifying the various movements in India the country splinters along every line imaginable
>>21808403
My pic related to your post

How about having Australia technically being a Nazi puppet state. While the Soviets would be the natural rulers, they gave it to the Nazi as a method of appeasement some time ago.

The Soviets thought it was a cheap way to buy the Nazis off, because it seems like a lot of strategically valuable land, but the Soviets know that the Australian Technocrazies weapons have made much of the continent useless.

>>21808591
Maybe, but isn't Australia swimming in valuable minerals? Maybe its a temporary truce in the region? They both want it, they Aussies have already damaged the continent beyond repair and both sides are aware that if they go to war they'd blow it all up. So their mining teams just ignore one another

>>21808591

One side just giving up a continent to the other seems overly suspicious, even as an appeasement measure. Maybe they volunteered it as an experiment in shared sovereignty? The sort of place that both sides could work together to rule. When in reality, the Soviets negotiated safer holdings for themselves while handing over the most dangerous parts to their new friends?

But nowadays Australia is a post-apocalyptic, Mad Max style hell-hole, haunted by technological nightmares that make actually exploiting its vast mineral wealth incredibly dangerous.

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>>21808657
interesting idea

How about this for the map

>>21807897
I think that in order to cement the alliance, the U.S. should smuggle the corpse of President Monroe to Monroeville and reanimate it to fight for the Liberians.

Especially because Monroe made the Monroe Doctrine - "closing" colonialism. That would be some strong juju against Nazi colonialism.

>>21809026
Why not just give India to the Soviets and give the Nazis the Middle East - Iran allied with the Nazis in WWII and there were plenty of anti-British colonial plots and such.

>>21809058
this would actually fit with the idea that Constitutionalist necromancy only works where there is strong belief, but that doesn't necessarily mean just in the USA.

In Liberia, belief can't keep just any president alive, but there has been a growing cult of Monroe that is strong enough to keep him there.

>>21809058
Hahahaha, I'm liking this.

>>21809081

I could certainly see the Nazis expanding into Iran, thanks to some of their sympathisers there, leading to it becoming another Nazi protectorate. But a sizeable portion of the Middle East is united under the Saudis and their Djinn allies, or at least, protected by the Djinn so that no-one can come and go without consent, so it's independent.

So I did NOT read through all the threads but i have the feeling that Finland and Africa needs some more background...

Africa:
So you now there is the Rastafarian religion, and for the rastafarians Haile Selassie, the last emperor of Ethiopia, is the new mesias.

The Italians conquered Ethiopia under huge losses and the british conquered it back.
Ethiopia is the only remaining African empire .
Now what we make out of these facts for deathworld?
Haile Selassie came backwith real magic powers-> Founded NEW ETHIOPIAN EMPIRE
-> fights Nazis in Africa with his drug-crazed-religious rastafarian armies and voodoo priests.

My quick idea.

For finland we should make a mixture of Snipers especially Simo Häyhä , and night active trolls who live in the vast laplandian winter forests. Also we should consider the nordic month long nights...

>>21809723
Simo Häyhä is immortal. The Finns made him into an immortal Avatar - the White Death is all that he is known as now.

Also, that's sort of derpy with Selassie. He wasn't very big on being a Messiah at all, let along a Messiah of drug-crazed hordes.

>>21809723
oh and the nazis should support the fins because they did in WW 2 and they are aryan...

>>21809758
Hm, but a new Ethiopian empire needs a leader, maybe the true african mesia?

>>21809758
>Simo Häyhä is immortal. The Finns made him into an immortal Avatar - the White Death is all that he is known as now.
Meh, I think the setting's got a bit too much mysticism and not enough super science.

How about the White Death as some sort of super soldier instead?

>>21809815
RNA taken from Simo, to engineer super snipers?

>>21809760

Finn's aren't Aryan. They are closer to the Baltic people than the Nordic people. Their language is very close to Hungarian

>>21809815

I think that's mostly because there's a limited number of ways you can go about super-science. The Soviets have their ultra-industrial, clanking, glowing, sparking technology, and the Australians have the shiny, smooth, well-oiled technology. What other angles can you work there?

Plus, making him a scientific super soldier kinda reduces his badassness a little, beyond being an incredibly good shot who just happened to become immortal because his skill was such that people believed hard enough that he was.

If that makes any sense whatsoever.

>>21809723

I could maybe get behind a reincarnated Selassi. I mean, people believed in him enough. But I'd cut down on him actually having magic powers and leave him as this legendary resistance leader that organises revolution against the new colonial empires.

>>21809815
Can't the White Death be immortal through super-science?

Or maybe its a passed on this - a "White Death Implant" that is removed from the last White Death and put into a new one. Through this, it appears that the White Death is immortal and unkillable to the Soviets.

Okay, so, I was noting that the Loyalist North's capital is Churchill, which I dig because of the irony - but I was wondering (new here) - what actually happened to Churchill? Was he on the Sub, or dead, or stuckin Britain or in the Loyalist North?

>>21809898
Another immortal? no lets take that white death implant..

>>21809881
That aryan stuf is for the biggest part non scientific, so just let us assume that the Nazis came to the conclusion that fins are part of the nordic race, and are just bad influenced by the soviets and need rescue.

>>21809898

This is interesting concept - and maybe the implant retains memories - so the White Death only gets deadlier and deadlier as he basically compounds ace sniper upon ace sniper.

This, combined with him appearing to be unkillable, would be a terrible moral blow to Soviet soldiers in Finland.

>>21809945
I'm talking culturally, linguistically, etc.. The Finns aren't Germanic or Nordic

>>21809910

That's a good question actually, dunno why he's never come up before.

I can't see him in the Submarine. The Queen's essentially took the whole power of the state into herself, so having a popular rival like Churchill around wouldn't last long. He could have been left behind in Canada with the rest of the dissenting government, or he could well have somehow returned to Britain.

I was pondering just having him disappear, but if there's one person not likely to disappear, it would be Winston Churchill. So either he's still around in Canada, agitating for an expedition back home, or he's smuggled himself back to Britain and hides out with the Resistance. Alternatively, he travels the world in secret, trying to organise various groups to work together.

>>21809958
>>21809921

Alright, you've convinced me. The White Death Implant is pretty cool.

But where'd it come from? Nothing we've got so far indicates that Finland is that technologically advanced, so maybe it's the result of a Soviet experiment. They managed to get a hold of some of his vital matter and implanted it along with some fairly horrendous technology into one of their own most talented snipers and sent him out to finally put a stop to the White Death.

Things didn't go as planned and the Soviet sniper either got beaten, or switched sides because of the implant, and BAM, the Finns have their pseudo-immortal national hero.

>>21810026
Maybe he just died after he got captured by the nazis?

>>21810026
I think I vaugley remember something about Churchill sacrificing himself leading the defence of London to give the royals time to escape.

>>21810026

Hmm. I like the idea of him being purposefully marooned from the sub for dissidence - especially after his buddy King George kicks the bucket. Having him would be a big boon to the Loyalist North - he might even have become a Prime Minister of the Loyalist North. In 2010 he could be a hero of the Loyalist North - probably a big statue of him in the capital of Churchill

>>21810074
>>21810082

Or maybe all three. That he died is certainly the story that Oswald Mosely's new government put around at the time. What exactly happened is, perhaps, a mystery.

>>21810073
Historically the White Death has ace Soviet snipers sent after him. I dig the idea of him beating a Soviet super sniper through cunning and perseverance.

>>21810073
Maybe it was an experiment by the soviets on finnish guys wich went too well...

>>21810111
Soviets managed to capture Samo. Fascinated by his skill they begin horrific scientific experiments on him.

But this is the dude who took an anti-tank round to the face. This does not kill him and he makes a daring escape back to Finland - with Soviet science still in him.

Okay, I think we need to figure out the history of the Loyalist North a bit better.

Right now its just "WLMK... uh... ghosts... nukes... shamans... Wendigo... stuff."

>>21810137
Im with this.

>>21810265
And loyal to what north?

>>21810265

To be fair, that's pretty much all we have for anywhere.

>>21810281

It's the remaining "Canada". Loyal to the vanished British government - the pre-Sub government

>>21809723
>Not Menelik

Getting a bit too mystical here, but can Timbuktu still exist as a holdout city?

>>21793539

So, any idea on what Presidents are up and zombie-ing?

>>21810593

Give us a reason for it to stay independent and it can be. Other than it just being really hard to find.

>>21812036

I guess we just work down the list and make a call.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

I think George Washington is up and about, though he rarely gets too involved. Monroe is off in Liberia. Dunno if any of the others have been mentioned.

>>21813609

Well, I figure those who are most memorable have the more "oomph." Monroe is cult figure in Liberia so he can manifest there. So memorable people before '45.

George Washington is likely there, but old. Lincoln certainly is existent, as a "liberator" figure. Theodore Roosevelt has resurrected as a might warrior who suplexes Soviet tanks. Andrew Hamilton might be an accident - he was resummoned but he turned evil and just murders people at random.

>>21814880
Washington got his own writeup. It's in one of the threads.

I fully agree on the Teddy Roosevelt part.

FDR probably is a unique case, being as in this universe he "lost" to the Nazis. Still one of the more memorable pre-1945 presidents.

>>21808380
I was meaning to imply that only a nazi agent would dare critizicise Russian technology and science, but ((>>21808403)) does have a point, too.

>>21815718
Obviously, FDR will become a big proponent of the New Death.

late night bump

Bumb, and what about updating the wiki page?