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You consider the elf before you as a plan begins to cross your mind. Most dragons worthy of the name have some sort of servants. Elves aren't one of the traditional servant races of dragons, but that just makes the idea all the more appealing. There is still the issue of your dear mother, this is her territory you have to remind yourself, but the prospect of detailed knowledge of Imgodidartak's hoard and it's defences might be enough to sway her.

"I believe have a solution to your problem." You say with a growing grin. "While Goltyrsyx - she's my mother by the way - is certainly not the most patient or forgiving of individuals, she isn't a soul consuming monster."

The elf stares at you, wondering where you're going with this.

"If you were to tell her the details of Imgodidartak's security measures surrounding your hoard, she will be rather pleased and will be quite willing to allow you to dwell in her territory." A rather large lie. You have no idea how she's actually going to take it, but he doesn't need to know that. Besides, she probably will be quite happy, which will either be very good or very bad for the elves.

He seems to perk up at this. "Y-you would help us? I..I don't know how we could repay you for such-"

"Oh, it's quite simple. I've heard my mother describe Imgodidartak as 'mentally negligible'." Granted she's spoken of most things that way at least once, including you, but again, he doesn't need to know that. "His inadequacies make him the way he is, and most of those who've had to deal with him are not at all fond of him. A chance to retaliate for his various antics over the years will be greatly appreciated."
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He nods at this. "Still you have my thanks and the-"

"-However, many of the humans in these lands will now appreciate interlopers farming and hunting in nearby lands. In order to keep them at bay a degree of protection will be required. If you are in my service, none of them will dare to
disturb you. My demands will be minimal, so you needn't worry about that. It's not often that beings are given the chance to enter the service of one such as I at such an early stage and considering your species lifespan, you'll probably be arond to enjoy the rewards when things really start to take off," you say, feeling confident he willbe happy to go along with this deal.

He pauses, looking at you for a moment, before sighing. "I had though we had escaped our bondage, but I see no other path before us. You say you will not have many demands? Can you promise you will not torment my people as they have been?" He seems remarkably steady for someone who has just made demands of a red dragon.

Given the hope you just granted him, then took away with the requirement of further slavery (he doesn't believe for a second that it will be anything else) you might have broken the last of his will to live. He certainly looks like a man willing to die rather than face anything more the world can throw at him, or maybe you've just got something on your nose, humanoid body language is still a bit of a puzzle to you. Oh well, you might as well promise him you will cause no harm, you can always go back on it later if need be. "Of course, I am not that green fool. I see no point in tormenting those who serve loyally." You've never actually had loyal servants before, so you don't know if you would want to torment them. Mother always insisted that you not bother the kobolds when they're working and they're always working.
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You take him back to the small hastily constructed village. The remaining elves hide again, but the elf (you really should ask his name at some point) calls them out, telling them he has found a place for them to go. They quickly agree
, seemingly relieved that they actaully have a chance, even if they will still be slaves. You take one of their hunters to a large copse, several kilometres east of the river. It should be suitable for them to hide in for now and you w
ill be able to find them there without difficulty. You take the elf you first met - Hatherlan, you've learned his name is - back to the lair. Leaving him on the cliff face to go and explain your plan to your mother.

Goltyrsyx is sitting on her hoard, counting through some newly aquired jewels. Good, she shouldn't be in a particularly bad mood, at least. She looks up and stares at you for a second.

"Judging by the look on your face, you've been up to something. I'm not going to have to hunt down and kill anyone, am I?" Hopefully not. At least, not yet.

"I've found something interesting concerning Imgodidartak and his lair." This gets her attention.

"What is it and how did you get it." Not one for wordplay, your mother.

"Some of his slaves ran away. They were hiding out near to the river." A slight exaggeration, they were several kilometers awat from it, but that's all relative. "a number of them were involved in the construction of his lair's defences, including the defences surrounding his hoard."

She regards you for several seconds before speaking. "Bring those who were involved to speak with me."

"I've brought one who-"

"-Bring them in, then."
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You quickly escort Hatherlan in, he comes before her and immediately kowtows, praising her in draconic with a surprising degree of eloquence. What follows is a display in sycophancy that leaves even the kobolds slightly impressed. Hatherlan details everything he knows about Imgodidartak's lair, while simultaneously complimenting Goltyrsyx anything that happens to be mentioned. After nearly an hour of discussion she dismisses him and looks to you, pausing for a moment before speaking.

"Well, that was certainly a rather brazen way of acquiring some servants. I must say, I approve. No doubt you'll want to set them up somewhere, as long as they don't interfere with the flow of gold I don't care where."

Success!

"But, there are some conditions. Firstly you will send all those with useful knowledge to aid my servants in studying the types of defences in Imgodidartak's lair. I might return them to you when they are no longer useful, but we'll see. Second, since they will be in my lands, they too must pay a reasonable tax. However, as I'm feeling generous and they are technically yours, I'll settle for 70% of the precious objects they gift to you."

Bitch!

"Yes, I didn't think you'd be at all happy about that last part, but until you depart you'll have to put up with it."

Well, it's not like you have much choice. You agree, knowing that try to negotiate with your mother simply involves being offered less and less favorable terms until you get the hint and agree to whatever's currently on offer.

Within two weeks, your new slaves are establishing themselves in the eastern forest, having marched across your mothers lands. They have already given you numerous trinkets, which you have (very grudgingly) paid the tax on. Both your siblings are exceedingly jealous, which causes you no end of satisfaction.
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Bring mom the ones she wants, but make a point that rest are yours, since you found them. You're almost six, you deserve some slaves of your own!
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>>22056071
Also, consider sending a couple of the elves back to the green's land to lure more elves to flee to your settlement.
Also, eat a couple of them just to make a point, pick the ones who complain the most.
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Damn, we need to start working on finding Lizardmen to work as soldiers(and to up stage Mom) these elves shall work until we can make our own lair. Can we time skip till the big fight?
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>>22056098
Nah, don't eat them. You don't want unhappy slaves. A peaceful land, a quiet people is better. Then we don't attract too much attention.
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>>22056051
We need them to get loyal now. Bring them some of the spoil (meat or such, things they need) from when we hunt big stuff, like huge bears and such. Servants they may be but they are our servants and we need to show them that the protection we offer is real.

Also consider talking to them, asking them questions and such.

>>22056098
Only eat those that are being bad.
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>>22056051
How many are left, after we gave mom those she wanted ?
Tell them we will give them the freedom to organize themselves, as we do not know how to care for elves. But we want reports about it.
First, how will they feed themselves ? Do they have all the tools they need to build their settlements ?
Can they trade with humans on their own ?
Beyond survival, what are they good for ? What can they give us, beyond trinkets ?

>>22056098
Regarding this, ask if they know of any elven settlement close enough to the river that we could smuggle out ?
I don't want to do it too much, to avoid making it ovious to Imgo that we are actively involved - he might not go after us directly, but we don't wish to push him into attacking mom, she might take it wrongly, and he might send some assassin to us.

By the way, tell the elves to be as discreet as possible. We don't want Imgo to learn too soon of their whereabouts. If they can stay out of sight for ten years or more we'll reward them. They probably shouldn't trade directly with humans, actually. Those can't hold their tongues, so elves should stay a secret to them too.
We'll buy the things they need for our mom's kobolds.

Don't kill any, of course.
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If you torment your slaves your only hurting yourself in the long run. Think of them as a living part of your horde, what kind of dragon can't protect its own horde when its just a few measly elves?

A red dragon with a loyal following is allot stronger than one with whipped broken slaves, our mother already knows that. Something Green will learn soon enought.
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>>22056212
>We need them to get loyal now. Bring them some of the spoil
We're not a hunting dog.
Don't bring gifts to them. Bring what they need and only that. I guess one or two deers can feed them the first few days.
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>>22056245
Yeah, but we'd be enjoying ourselves in the mean time. Besides, you can always get more elves if these run out.
>>22056276
This. We do not serve the elves, they serve us and sooner they get it in their skulls the happier we will be. We don't want to send mixed signals or let them think that we're weak. Rule with an iron fist like a real red dragon!
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>>22056276
Of course. The last thing we need is them getting vain. I only meant that we need to show that we are not Imgodidartak.
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>>22056051
By the way, how are our siblings doing ? Did one take the advantage over the other ? Did our/their relations evolve ?
I'd like to make one of them our ally eventually. They can always gang up, which wouldn't be good. If we can get closer to one of them we would solidify our position. We don't have to aim for mutual appreciation, we can do with a mix of hate/admiration, or grudging respect, or anything. The point is not to get to trust the other, but to get to know him/her better than the third one does, so we can manipulate and predict his/her actions.
I'd prefer our imouto for this role.
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>>22056338
we should butter them both up, let them air their grievance about each other to you while offering an open ear... this will build distrust between them but not outright hostility.
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>>22056311
Seriously go back to playing your chaotic stupid characters and leave this to people who want to actually act like intelligent creatures

Nothing you have suggested has been anything short of retarded and honestly a waste of time

Killing our very few slaves which are even fewer thanks to our mother taking some to work out her enemies traps fucks us up immediately, it may not matter in the long term but take a page from a smart villain and treat your minions rather well so that they decide not to stab us in the back when Urist McHero rides into town with his dragon raping greatsword
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>>22056373
this, and even if they resent slavery there are ways we can make them come to terms with it, for instance our commands should be resonable like; "send some hunters to deal with the bear population and bring me the greater part of the hunt" stern but something that will make sense
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>>22056373
Pfft, like you've come up with better ideas. There's XP inside those elves!
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>>22056370
Or we could nip the problem in the bud and just kill them.
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>>22056312
What the hell, tell them clearly.

"Listen, you guys. You belong to me. You're my tools, my possessions. I'll make sure you stay useful. That means living, healthy, and ready to work. Don't let this get to your heads though. If you decide not to be useful, I'll get myself some other tools."

>>22056373
You're exagerating. Ruling with an iron fist is not chaotic stupid, it's lawful.
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>>22056409
they can still be of use to us
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If we decide to ally with a sibling then make it our sister, shes not as bright and a little arrogant, makes it easyer for us to stay ontop.

As for the elves: getting them to sneak one or two back into greens land and spread word, even if its only once or twice, about a successful 'escape' into our mothers territory will be enought.
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>>22056411
Beautifully written.
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>>22056409
I don't think mom would appreciate.

>>22056370
That would work, but that's a lot of effort to pretend to care for both of them.
Plus, they probably won't buy it. Better try to be obvious in separating them. They'll understand that and be less wary.
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>>22056373
Important part of any dragon's story is being killed by the hero. Since they're so powerful creatures this is usually possible only through the dragon's hubris and lack of foresight.
We have to play out the role that the nature has given us, and just try to enjoy the ride (to our eventual demise).
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>>22056420
So the elves can be terrified of the green one when they return? What about those loyal to him. Bad idea.
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>>22056411
>"Listen, you guys. You belong to me. You're my tools, my possessions. I'll make sure you stay useful. That means living, healthy, and ready to work. Don't let this get to your heads though. If you decide not to be useful, I'll get myself some other tools."

Could we add: "If you go from being useful to being valuable though, i will guard you like i guard my hoard."
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So I suppose we should start to scout out an area that is relatively remote, but near some form of trade route where we can get to lair building.
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Rolled 4, 1 = 5

hnrmr
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>>22056441
Who wants to live forever?

We do.
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I voe we get the elves to building a village for the elves and a lair for us and some kobolds, we should also let a few years go by so we can advance in age to do magic shit, then turn our sights into expansion with the goal of building a dungeon
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>>22056448
2nded
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>>22056448
You don't want to get too friendly with the help.
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She never told us what rate to tax them though. So tax them at like 25%. After all, there is no need to build up resentment among our long term servants when most of the money goes to mother anyway. Plus, once they get the chance to compare tax rates to those who under Mom's direct control they will probably like us a lot.
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>>22056420
Only once. All the elves that learn of our implication should quickly be put out of Imgo's sight. Either by death or by crossing the river discreetly.
So we should choose a band of elves, not too numerous, not too far in the forest, not too cowed by fear, tell them, and take them away without letting them contact any other elf.
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>>22056476
We need to figure out the elf situation more first
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>>22056487
I vote this, plus we can get them trading with the humans as soon as they get established
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>>22056448
Isn't that too friendly ?
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Come on op time for rolling
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>>22056504
No. They should trade with the kobolds only. They should stay secret, and humans can't be trusted like kobolds.
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>>22056510
I dunno. I think being frank with them is a good idea. And frankly we are very greedy and if they become treasure we will want to keep them.
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>>22056529
>>22056504
plus the humans might not like them being there anyways...
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Someone asked your mother's age in the last thread. She's 350 years old.

>>22056237
Your mother took four of your elves, Hatherlan was not among them. There are 29 remaining.
Most of their food comes from hunting and gathering. So far there are no problems with supply.
They can trade with humans, but are leery of word getting back to Imgodidartak, as their appearance is quite distinctive.
Their main skills are in basic crafting. Your mother took the two experienced trap makers, one cook and an experienced woodsman to help her with something. You don't know what. You suspect the cook is just there for some variety on what the kobolds make.
They've already suggested trying to smuggle more of their clan out. Most stay there as there is nowhere else to go, but if they have somewhere to escape to, many will go for it.

>>22056338
Your sibling continue to bicker and you've never lost a fight to either of them. Your brother seems to be trying to get along with you of late, probably because your sister keeps beating him up. She remains as short tempered and brash as ever. The fact that your mother is actively interested in your pet elves for whatever it is she's working on is the main reason she isn't willing to try and do anything to them. The fact you can beat her in a fight also helps.

The tax is only on the stuff they give you.
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>>22056529
The kobolds are our ace in the hole so far
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>>22056557
Are the elves holding back on us? Do they see mom as the better master than us?
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>I'll settle for 70% of the precious objects they gift to you.
What if they gift nothing to us ? What we steal or tax from them aren't gifts... What they give us in exchange for help and protection neither.

Too bad our mom isn't a lawful dragon...
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I thinking about a 12 year timeskip next. It would take you to the 'young' age category and let you start learning spells. What do you want to do during that time (if you want to timeskip at all)?
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>>22056557
Allow the elves to only trade with kobolds, and tax them heavily so you get more shinies. Pick one pair of elven parents and 'adopt' their child, then make them your informants to spy on the other elves. Guard them jealously so they won't get any ideas to run away.
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>>22056051
It's been two weeks, and being a dragon gets tiring. You decide to get pissed with dragon moonshine.
You approach some elves, who are slaving away. They look up at you, puzzled. Without hesitation, you seize the busty elf in your mouth and walk off. You make your way to a secluded area, and place the busty elf down, using your dragon magic to keep her down.
"Wh-what do you want?"
You stare at her, straight in the eyes.
"WHERE. IS. SANTA."
"....what"
"WHERE IS HE"
"Santa?"
She begins to laugh hysterically.
"DONTCHU LAUGH AT ME, I'LL RAPE YOU"
She continues to laugh, forgetting that dragons never lie.
You unravel your tongue and start to molest her. But, just before you can go any futher she mutters something
"fu.."
"Fu? What are you saying"
"FUS RO DAH"
You take a massive metaphorical dragon shit in your pants, and fall onto your back.
"You're a - a dovahkiin?"
"Dayum right, nigga. now, you better stay away from me and all the other elves, or I swear, I WILL call Odahviin
She walks off, and you stare, disappointed, as your only chance at interracial rape disappears.
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>>22056589
Start adopting elven babies, raise them as your personal servants. Mark them by scarification and tell them that they're your chosen ones.
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>>22056577
I bet they think we're more easily swayed than her, because of our age.
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>>22056557
tell the elves they may smuggle a few out, but must not mention our role in stealing old greens slaves lest he take action. tell them to go for the elves who would not be missed, small children, unskilled workers and those generally unnoticeable.

we should be slow about it however, the longer we have before greenie puts everything together the better
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>>22056400
But we're not a PC we are a dragon. We gain power through aging, not through XP gain.
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>>22056557
Communicate some more with the elves. Get them to tell their story and listen to their needs and similar. We need to figure out what they need and what makes them tick and most importantly how they can help US.
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Over time:

attract more elves, buildup their village, work on relations with siblings, eat voraciously
(any gain we can get on weight and growth will be to our advantage)
work on improving the skills we do have and our knowledge of the local area and places further afield (were going to move out someday so we might as well make sure we know were we might head to, i doubt that mother would apreciate us setting up right next door).
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>>22056589
scout out potential lairs and hideouts, take stock of other humans and beings outside our territory, set the elves to more crafts and jobs, also start building our own subservient tribe of kobolds

also keep an eye on the elves, we an't trust them completely, but we shall make no hostile gesture except when need be
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>>22056589
Start getting on better terms with your sister, make plans to murder your weakling brother.
>become god-king pharaoh of the elves, marry your sister-wife
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>>22056589
turn our siblings to our ends, they will be useful in the future
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>>22056636
What are we, their therapist? What the elves need is stern leadership and occasional terror.
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>>22056615
Nope.jpg especially the scaring part. Its not that scars aren't cool, its that these elves are basically traumatized about that bit.
>>22056589
1. Rule elves with light hand. 25% tithe, + occasional favors. Generally be seen as a reasonable guy.
2. More training and keeping the sibs down. (Also, If mom decides to do that trading thing, keep an eye out for anyone that can get us magic items that actually work on dragons.)
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>>22056682
if we do that however we can get them more dependant on us and lure more elves over, makes the prospect of running from the green dragon more tempting
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Why do we need Kobolds? We need to find some lizardmen. They are stronger, faster, smarter, and all around better servants.
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>>22056589
I want to get close to our sister. As the second in power, she'll be more useful. And allying against the weakest is the traditional thing to do.
Her brashness might make her more easily manipulable too.
I want to accomplish this by fighting her and winning at every opportunity (not too hard, don't damage her physically), maybe with the help of our brother at first, until she has to submit, then we switch alliances. Keep close to her and watch over her during both periods.
Maybe we can attack her pride too by being insultingly helpful at times.

>>22056615
No... Keep that for when we have actually worthy and powerful servants. The first elven babies we find probably won't be talented enough.
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>>22056636
You, I like you.
>>22056682
No
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>>22056655
>>22056625
The attracting elves should be a one time thing. Leave no trace.
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>>22056687
Light taxation means smaller hoard, though. Remember that we're a ridiculously greedy creature, and that those elves are kinda powerless to resist us.
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They should be unscarred and very healthy looking.
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>>22056448
This.

They're bouncing back from a crazed tyrant who tortured them. This will ensure their loyalty, if nothing else.
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>>22056706
> fighting her and winning
Not necessarily physical combat, by the way. I meant more like competing with her and winning at every chance we get.
She'll hate us, I hope. Hate is good. It can become anything.
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>>22056589
Encourage the elves to (slowly and secretly) free more of their brethren and build up their village. I like the idea of letting them trade with the kobolds, but keep them away from the humans for now. Treat them well—let them think of themselves as vassals rather than slaves. Punish them if they break your rules, of course, but reward them for good service. The best iron fist is the one covered in a velvet glove. Build loyalty in them, not just fear.

Try to get more of your siblings on your side, without showing any weakness. Play a "look, we all know I'm doing better than any of you, so you may as well be on my side instead of against me" kind of angle.
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>>22056735
>Remember that we're a ridiculously greedy creature
Are we ? I'd like to be less greedy than the average dragon. I man, wealth is fine, but power in all its forms and an interesting life are better.
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>>22056781
I vote kill the sister in her sleep. Better for her to be dead now than a thorn in our side later. The brother we will keep him down and beaten, then when we learn magic we can control him.
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>>22056701
>>22056760
I don't think you quite grasp the power balance in this relationship. It's incredibly demeaning to treat the elves like their feelings matter, considering how insignificant and powerless creatures they are compared to us.
Would a Southern Gentleman give two shits about his servant boy's opinions, for example?
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A wise one would
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>>22056735
Mom's taking most of the money anyway. Plus, long term economics favor a lower tax rate, at least to some degree. Make our servants like us.
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>>22056805
But you can't breed with your brother...
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>>22056812
we are not asking them their feelng we are taking account of our estates industry, we already own them and everything there, why not put our wealth to use, it is not as though our income leaves, only it can grow. if you want to think like a planter, and part of that is seeing what industries and crafts need what to grow
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>>22056826
JESUS CHRIST!

There are other dragons in the world you know, not just the first ones we see. We could fuck mom eventually. Op is keeping this sister to fuck us over later. Let's kill her while we can
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>>22056781
Actually, >>22056727 wasn't really the right thing to do.
I'm fine with "freeing" elves more progressively. The important part is leaving no trace that can be tracked to us, like rumors of a free settlement on the other side of the river. If we kidnap elves one by one and let the others and Imgo think some unknown monsters ate them, that's fine too. Let's try to develop our mascarade and mass deception skills by the occasion.
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-.-

trying to kill our siblings will result in being mashed against the cavern wall by our mother. NOT a good idea.
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>>22056735
Think of it as a long term investment, by helping them and making them loyal now they will be more worth in the future. We only get 70% of the taxation anyway.
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>>22056821
Only if we are guaranteed of returns over decades, which is unlikely considering that we're still too young to defend our niche against dedicated assault. We're living in a high risk environment, so a better plan would be ready to bleed them dry and discard them at the moment's notice.
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I don't think so.
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>>22056856
What? No it won't!

We became the favorite when we used our advantage as firstborn to gain dominance, and then proceeded to keep generally fucking them over at every turn.
She'd probably congratulate us.
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>>22056847
>family that sleeps together sticks together
Why share our treasure with some outsider while we could have a communal family hoard?
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>>22056847
>>22056805
Our brother could also fuck us over later. Just because he's the weaker of the three doesn't mean he's not a dragon.
And he seems more subtle than our sister, which makes her relatively less dangerous to keep to our side.

I also think that because she's strong, keeping her around will help us get even stronger. We shouldn't set ourselves to the easiest standard. We'll meet other dragons later : better have the experience of competing with an average sibling than with a weakling then.

Also, I don't think mom will let us kill one another so soon.
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>>22056898
Because the hoard should be OURS?
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>>22056892
I 2nd this. Let's roll on it op
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>>22056898
>sharing
>hoard
>family

You disgust me.
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>>22056866
No.
>>22056858
No, we get 30%, Mom gets 70%
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>>22056892
This, we're CE after all. Promotions in our family happen like in mirror universe of Star Trek, only thing we lack are goatees.
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>>22056892
Dominating them and killing them are different things.
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>>22056901
This has it's advantages. Ok. She stays untill she gets too uppity. The brother...I don't know.
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The best thing to do concerning the elves is to let them build up their settlements and economy; we will only let them trade with the kobolds for the time being while encouraging them to discreetly free their families and friends, this will make them dependent upon us as well as loyal

we should cultivate a number of kobald clans to serve us as they are our closest allies

We should subdues our brother and keep a close eye on our sister. and we must keep mother pleased

we should also begin scouting for lairs or unmarked territories
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>>22056924
You forget that red dragons aren't about dominance. They're about being on top, with nobody around who can challenge you.
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>>22056910
Yes.
We're like venture capitalists who drive a company's stock value up with short-term gains, cash out and then discard the sinking ship.
Just because you want to make love to sweet sweet elven waifus instead of our sister doesn't mean it isn't true, you know...
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>>22056905
And I second NOT doing it.
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>>22056934
Done. Let's roll op
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>>22056945
Because that's a fucking terrible long term strategy and a clear majority of people support not doing it.
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>>22056938
True. Test the waters by getting rid of your brother, odds are that since he's the runt of the litter Mom won't mind much.
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>>22056958
Agreed.
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>>22056934
>>22056850
We should create a small group of elven rangers to specialize in stealthy kidnappings.
Let them train for a year on two on the beasts of the woods, then on the humans for three more years or so. When (if) they're ready to take on the elves of the western forest, send them there. They should take one or two every three months.
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>>22056963
I've changed my vote because of >>22056901
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>>22056958
You can't play with long term strategy in a high-risk world, you'll only end up losing. We need to maximize short term gains and learn to roll with the punches.
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Dragons are race of the strong. Indecisiveness is weakness. Getting rid of our brother would show that we have the initiative.
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>>22056978
This

We can train them to make it look as though a beast or animal took them, imgo would not be any the wiser
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Oh, and if we can't kill our brother, let's cripple him or make him so ashamed that he would go exile.
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>>22056938
>You forget that red dragons aren't about dominance. They're about being on top, with nobody around who can challenge you.
We're not a regular red dragon.
We know that no dragon is on top. Even Tiamat and her brother keep fighting.
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>>22056991
Im with everything but messing with moms humans.
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>>22056986
We make the world less risky by making tons of good back up plans. That is how we should roll. Start by creating our first defense, a personal guard consisting of highly trained elves.
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So plan is to get more minions. Scout out for lizardmen, try and get some kobolds, smuggle out more elves, etc.
Rule the elves with a light hand, but don't let them forget who's in charge.
Don't trust your brother just because he's friendly (still seems to be undecided on precisely what to do with him).
Start looking around for a proper lair.

Anything else?
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lets focus on improving ourselves before we try to off our siblings, i honestly think we're too young to be planning their murders at the moment....
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>>22056991
Better not to mess with the humans, though. We don't want to draw any unnecessary attention to ourselves.
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>>22056986
That argument would be a lot more persuasive if we weren't arguing over what to do over a 12 year timeskip.
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Dragons have hundreds of years for long term stratergys to play out you dingbat.
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>>22057017
Get friendly with your sister, if you know what I mean.
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>>22057017
seems about right.
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>>22056988
No. It'll show pointless brutality and cowardice. Why not kill the humans and the elves too ? That would be and initiative too. And it would be just as pointless.

Let's keep the dragon killing for when we actually need it.
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>>22057017
yes let get a little more familiar with the humans around, might yield some interesting results
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>>22057017

We cripple our brother
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>>22057029
>>22057029
We don't have that luxury with what being a juvenile dragon and all.
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>>22057044
nah save it for latter
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>>22057017
Rule the elves with a reasonable hand. Promote people who do well and seems more valuable, and punish those who lag behind. Our main goal with the elves should be to make them precious and something worth having in our hoard.
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>>22057049
If anything, we have more time for it.
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>>22057054
For then, it may be too late. Our awesome is a crippled dragon?
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>>22057041
Humans and the elves aren't potential rivals.
We're a CE dragon, we don't give a shit about cowardice and brutality we do for fun.
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>>22057057
why bother punishing, just set quotas and they will meet them at this stage the less intervention the better
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>>22057017
Get closer to our sister as in >>22056706.
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>>22057069
>Humans and the elves aren't potential rivals.
Our weakest sibling neither. If he was, that would be one more reason to keep him alive. Rivals are useful.
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>>22057017
also, see about orcs, they make good dungeon fodder and are fairly cheap on the slave market
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>>22057017
We cripple our brothers wings. So he can't fly.
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>>22057123
That's a terrible thing to do to a dragon. And distasteful. Better to kill him than to cripple him.

Let's just bully him after we got our sister to submit to us.
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>>22057104
Fine, let's settle on crippling his wings so he can't fly. It drives the point in and dooms him into a lifetime of misery in our shadow, which sounds just about right.
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Roll a d4 for the random event. Update will be out...eventually.
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>>22057173
dude no one but you wants to do it
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>>22057165
Dude, we're cruel pricks. It's fun to see our brother crawling in the ground, reminded of his failure every single day of his life.
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Little brother just wants the dick.

He's starting to figure it out now, so we should give it to him before he does something stupid like impale himself on a stalagmite.
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Rolled 4

>>22057181
ROLLING
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>>22057165
>>22057123
Assuming OP is going off of the Draconomicon, wings are the fastest part of a dragon to heal due to how fragile they are.

Not advocating it, just saying it'd probably be temporary if done.
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>>22057191
He (and our sister) would do it to us without second thought, if they could. Being a red dragon is suffering.
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>>22057193
>Dude, we're cruel pricks.
No we're not.
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>>22057193
>Dude, we're cruel pricks. It's fun to see our brother crawling in the ground, reminded of his failure every single day of his life.
What we are not! We are incredibly greedy but not cruel pricks.
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>>22057209
>>22057229
>do you even into red dragons
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>>22057229
Red dragons -are- cruel pricks. That's their thing.
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And I'll need 2d20 to see how your plans go.
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>>22057263
Their thing is building a hoard and being powerful, you are thinking of black dragons, red dragons are greed
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Rolled 10, 3 = 13

>>22057274
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>>22057281
Nice rolls, fartweasel.
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Rolled 1, 1 = 2

>>22057263
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Rolled 12, 12 = 24

>>22057274
derp, did 2d10

now doing 2d20
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Rolled 7, 19 = 26

>>22057249
>>22057263
Red dragons are greedy, that is their thing. They are often cruel pricks because they are greedy. We are smarter than that. We know we can get greedier and wealthier by not being a prick.

>>22057274
ROLLIN
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I think someone is just suggesting things based soley on the fact were a red dragon. Just throwing situational context out of the window.

Its not in our best interests to make enemys of our siblings or mother. Its not in our interest to torture or kill our servants when their the main thing at the moment we have over our siblings.

Sure their not our freinds eather, but its a damn sight better to have them around as we grow up than not to.
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>>22057279
All CE dragons are cruel pricks, black dragons just ever more so.
>moralfags please go
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>>22057279
>>22057249
More than anything else, red dragons are supremely arrogant. ALL dragons are covetous, and all chromatic dragons are pricks, in their own special way.
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Rolled 16, 15 = 31

>>22057296

>get greedier and wealthier by not being a prick

When has this ever been true?
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>>22057291
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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>>22057300
Blacks are the ones that are outright sadists.
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>>22057291
>double crit fail

holy shit.
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>>22057299
People don't always act based on their best interests - in fact, more often they do what gives them immediate pay-off / pleasure.
And you have to admit that torturing elves for shits and giggles *is* pleasurable.
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>>22057320
Nice guys finish last.
We were not born on this earth to be a nice guy.
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>>22057351
Fuck you and claiming that we have some inherent goal.

We're amoral and greedy unless proven otherwise. Events could happen to shift us away from that, or give us cause to reconsider things, but we don't have a mission from god to be a jackass and don't act like we do.
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>>22057299
Also, the sooner we can get rid of our siblings the better. Why risk giving them time to come up with their own plans and slaves when you could just deal with them permanently, right now?
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>>22057363
No, being a complete dick isn't necessary but it *would* be thoroughly satisfying.
Think about it man, you could totally make someone cry!
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Seems like a troll got into the thread because quest threads piss him off, we should probably stop feeding him.
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>>22057393
We're doing an evil quest here, get on with the program or you're being the troll here.
>moralfags please go
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>>22057409

>moralfag

That's pretty inflammatory.
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Rolled 6

What's with those multipul rolls? Thought it was only 1d20. Rollin.
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>>22057320
All the time, the British treated their workers like shit for centuries. Then by the start of the 1900's the working population was made up of starving morons who could barely work. There is a reason that you can even afford a computer rather than having to spend most of your money on food so you don't starve.
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>>22057409
OP specifically said that we could be any alignment we wanted, pay attention. Also, I don't see any moral fags. I just see people pushing back against your instance that we be chaotic stupid and institute short term slash and burn tactics.
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>>22057441
Yet by the start of the 1900's the Britsh Empire was arguably the strongest nation on the planet.
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>>22057470
Thank God for nationalism.
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>>22057291
OP has consistently said lower is better. So is that a double success?
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>>22057493
Critical success.
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>>22057409
Traditional evil is more short-lived than well thought through evil. By talking with our underlings and telling them about our ways, they will get influenced by us and become corrupted.

>>22057493
Oh shit you are right!
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>>22057470
I'm not saying they weren't but it still stands they had a big problem with worker health. during one war the rate of people turned away from enlisting was something like 40% (don't quote me on that i forget the exact number)
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>>22057470
And today the British Empire is still ruled by the nobility and their land stretches the entire earth.
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>>22057532
"due to worker health being below acceptable levels". shit CAPTCHA ate the last part of my sentence.
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>>22057445
Loosen up, anon. Why not live a little and go on a satisfying chaotic stupid spree? Wrecking shit is fun!
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>>22057470

And then their holdings started revolting and they've been a lapdog of one of their former colonies ever since.
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>>22057521
True, but just because we started with elven slaves doesn't meant that we need to depend on them for the rest of our lives. We're still young, we can afford to experiment with them to find out what works and what not. We're in it to maximize our profits, not to build a slave empire...
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It's been nearly an hour. Where is op?
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>>22057569
Seconded.

If we end up completely emotionless and only doing the coldly logical thing, this will end up like the last dragon quest.
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>>22057733
on a dragon dildo
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>>22057760
Inspiration.
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Twelve years pass without any major events. You start feeling the first twitches of magic - you haven't cast anything yet, but you've almost reached the point where you can shape your will into an extremely simple spell. Your mother insists that you and your siblings learn how to do this properly and has been putting some actual effort into teaching you how to cast.

A few months into your fifteenth year, you succeed. You are sitting on a small outcrop in the southern hills attempting to cast an acid splash. Your brother wanted to start with light, as it's the easiest spell, and once you cast your first spell the rest get much easier. Your sister wanted to learn to conjure fire, but was told off for wasting time on something she could already do. You chose acid splash as it is one of the few spells likely to avoid magical resistance. Staring at the rock you've been attempting to cast on for the last hour you try again. This time, a small glob of acid leaps from the tip of your claw. It misses your intended target, but that's beside the point. It's your first spell; you've long relished the chance to work magic for yourself and you feel almost giddy with excitement now that you've achieved it. Ignoring the still sizzling blob that's eating it's way into the dirt, you cast once more. This
time the spell hits. Now that you've actually felt your magic in use, learning more spells should be relatively easy.
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>>22057753
...with an obsession over waifus, being yanked around by two-bit plot twists abusing our desire for a decent relationship with our daughter, and glossing over our glorious achievements as supreme dragon emperor instead of detailing them properly for our enjoyment?

I don't think that was a function of coldly logical emotionless action.
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Your collection of elves has grown, with sixteen more joining their relatives in the eastern forest. The agents you sent could probably manage more, but they're emphasising caution for now. Goltyrsyx was unwilling to part with any kobolds and there are none to be found in the wild in this area. You don't now of any lizardmen within convenient travelling distance. The elven settlement - redholme, as they've named it (probably an attempt at sucking up)- has become fairly well established. While some don't seem entirely happy about still being slaves, most are in high spirits about their new home. This is only tempered by the fact that most of their relatives are still in the clutches of the green. The trapmakers and the woodsman have returned. From what you can gather, your mother is considering trying to frame the bronze living to the north for a raid on the greens hoard. The cook apparently died after suffering an 'accident'. You expect the accident involved being tasty, but it has served to make the remaining elves rather more wary of your mother.

Flying further afield than ever before, you now have a rough idea of the area a few days flight outside your mother's territory. While you don't have any specific site in mind for a new lair, you know the area well enough to have a rough idea what to expect in any region.
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More recently, your brother seems to have disappeared. This has been quite fortunate for you, as he had been attempting to befriend your elves, most likely to try and convince them to follow him rather than you. This proved ineffective, as you had been reasonable enough to the elves that they didn't resent you and the only things that might tempt them were things he couldn't or wouldn't offer. While vanishing for a week or two is not an unusual occurrence, he's been gone for nearly a month and your starting to suspect he's not coming back. You can tell it wasn't your sister, she can't convincingly lie to you, never mind your mother. Goltyrsyx has started to put out feelers to surrounding dragons to see if he shows up. She's not actually that interested in his wellbeing, but if he was killed and she lets it go unanswered, it might make her look weak.

Yesterday, your elves informed you of a human who was hiding in the forest a few kilometres from the village. He is trying - and failing - to cast spells, from what they can tell.
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>>22057569
Actually, I find it not fun at all. I hope this quest doesn't become like that.

>>22057753
I agree that being cold and logical only isn't much fun either.
But as far as emotions go, "I kill my brother because I'm supposed to be EVUL, lol" is worse than being cold and logical.
Let's have actual motives, plans, and various kinds of emotions. Reluctance to kill our siblings before we need to is one of them.
It'll allow us not to empty our universe and have more fun. Let's not break our toys before we have new ones.
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>>22057816
Feel the first twitches of puberty, too.
>have your first wet dream about your mother/sister, feel alarmed yet intrigued when you wake up
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I vote our long term goal should be to become Dragon Emperor. Which will be rather difficult if we go the chaotic stupid route. On that note: Spellcaster Minion! MINE!
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>>22057854

Have the man brought to us at once.
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>>22057854
How old are we now ?

Go to the main human town in our territory. Take a look over what/how they're doing. Is there any wizard or sorcerer there ?
Did our mother find a way to allow them to trade by sea ?
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>>22057990
Are you still here? Your efforts are bound to be fruitless. Entertaining, nonetheless.
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>>22058028
I think we should go to him. Maybe watch him from a distance for a bit before we approach.
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>>22058003
He's not a spellcaster. He's a man who wants to be a spellcaster.

And I think our goal should be to enjoy life. Being emperor is too much work, and it's too dangerous.
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>>22058043
To be honest the idea of dragon pharaoh fucking his sister somewhat captivates me and I can understand that guy.
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>>22058029
i think we're roughtly 17-20ish years of age, if im counting the years for timeskips correctly. i think we'll be forced out by our mother soon...
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>>22058003
Ehh, rulership is for saps. We should become the dragon equivalent of Genghis Khan, pillaging and conquering from one end of the continent to another. Let's have our hoard on a floating sky fortress following the wake of our wrath!
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>>22058056
>implying we wouldn't fob off most of the work onto mortals
Also potential Spell-caster Minion! MINE!
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>>22057854
We need to train our elves for combat and other specific purposes. I would not mind an elven butler.

>>22057904
I agree

>>22058003
I would prefer Dragon Puppetmaster but Emperor is fine too
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>>22058043
A man can dream, can't he?
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>>22057854
Can you draw the dragon territories on this map ?

Can we go visit the big city on the other side of the peninsula, for example ?
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>>22058098
>>22058066
Trust me, it captivates me as well. I only said his efforts would be fruitless in this context. I love the idea.
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>>22058073
>all the while having sex with every princess, duchess, countess, and baroness along the way, leading to one hell of a power struggle if you die.
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The fucking brother! I told you bastards! /rage
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>>22058105
Also, is there any other elvish population close by ? Free or not ?

I think the next spell we should learn is alter self.
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>>22058125
Maybe the brother was a psion and could read our mind?
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>>22058087
Like hell we're going to train the elves for combat, they're just going to turn on us quicker. (Remember that we're a red dragon, we tend to have trust issues). Instead what we'll do is what that anon earlier suggested, and hand-pick a couple of elves to form an elite ranger troubleshooter squad. We should 'adopt' elven children and train them as our Chosen Ones, that way it seems prestigious to them.
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>>22058116
half-breeds, half-breed everywhere!
>today 0,5% of the world's entire population can trace their ancestry to good old Genghis
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>>22058125
Why are you getting angry ? because someone else killed him instead of us ?

>>22058113
>>22058066
>>22057990
I like the idea of incestuous dragons too...
By the way, how did our relation with our sister change over these years ? Did we do the whole harassing her until she join us against our brother thing ?
What about the power balance ?
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>>22058190
>because someone else killed him instead of us ?
That's the problem, isn't it? If he was killed by someone else it's a slight on us (and our mother) that will be seen as a sign of weakness if it goes unretaliated. If he's alive but missing then we can't tell who he is scheming with, might even be the green one for all we know.
Either way his disappearance is troubling.
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Our brother tried to convert out elves and failed.

Seems he went wandering too far into Greens territory if im any judge. Chow bro, we hardly knew ye.
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>>22058163
That's too prestigious. They're servants, they're not worthy of being adopted by us.

But we could make ourselves some actual half-elven children, while we're not too big. They could be more useful than regular elves, and we could justify taking more care of them.
What age is puberty among male dragons ?
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You are fifteen, almost sixteen. There are a few wizards in the main town, but none of significant skill (2nd level spells at most). There are a handful of sorcerers in nearby lands, also of trivial power. Trade ships occasionally show up, but are kept under heavy guard to prevent escape attempts.

There are no other elves nearby, aside from the ones the green has enslaved.

Your brother had been acting a little smug in the weeks before he disappeared and was getting a steady supply of gold and trinkets from somewhere too.

Your sister generally avoids or ignores you, choosing to start fights with nearby wildlife instead. She recently managed to kill a small band of minotaurs that were moving through the mountains further to the south.
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>>22058229
...which is the reason we should've killed him when we had the chance. We're dragons, and just like predatory birds the strongest child kills his siblings. It's the only way.
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>>22058265
>Your brother had been acting a little smug in the weeks before he disappeared and was getting a steady supply of gold and trinkets from somewhere too.
Well, where was he keeping them? If they are gone from wherever his lair was, then he's probably gone for good.

If they are not gone, we should take them because unguarded loot.
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>>22058265
>Your brother had been acting a little smug in the weeks before he disappeared and was getting a steady supply of gold and trinkets from somewhere too.
I TOLD YOU SHMUCKS THAT WE SHOULD'VE KILLED THAT LITTLE TWERP WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE.
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His hoard is still there, you've been told to leave it alone until your mother decides if he's dead or not. If she does write him off, she'll probably take most of it herself.
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>Your brother had been acting a little smug in the weeks before he disappeared and was getting a steady supply of gold and trinkets from somewhere too.
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS.
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>>22058286
>>22058306
Send word to your spies in green's lands to watch out for any signs of your brother ASAP, also send some of the hunters/rangers to search the wilderness.
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>>22058265
Brother sold us out to the green. That son-of-a-bitch. Anyway, show up next to the human and ask if he wants help learning magic.
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>>22058324
Hmm.

Can we, I don't know, smell his trinkets to discern what kind of minion race was giving them to him as tribute?
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>>22058229
>If he was killed by someone else it's a slight on us (and our mother) that will be seen as a sign of weakness if it goes unretaliated.
That's her problem. No one expect us to be concerned with it.

And if he's alive, yeah, I guess that's troubling, but it might offer us new opportunities too. I don't think he would take the risk of approaching the green dragon, and I don't think he would surrvive for long if he did. He might be doing his own thing somewhere, or trying to get help from inferior races.
If he returns to attack us, then we'll just have to be the stronger one. Let's prepare for it. We'll best him and then we'll take the stuff (including allies) he amassed while he was away. Everything will be fine.

Anyway, if not him, another dragon would come for us soon enough. Consider it a chance for real-life training.
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UPDATE YOUR AGENDA, THIS SHIT HAS GONE ON WAY TOO LONG.
TO-DO:
1. FIND BROTHER
2. KILL BROTHER
3. FIND SISTER
4. KILL SISTER
UNDERLINE EACH ENTRY SEVERAL (AT LEAST THREE) TIMES
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So far the only actions seem to be to go and investigate the would be spellcaster. Everyone fine with that?

While I remember, how do you tell if a thread is in or approaching autosage?
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>>22058265
>before he disappeared and was getting a steady supply of gold and trinkets from somewhere too.

It might be worth seeing if our elves recognize the craftsmanship or markings on any remnants of our brother's horde, for all we know he's been selling us (and mom) out to the green dragon (or setting the green dragon up as the fall guy while working with the bronze)
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>>22058328
>>22058306
>>22058266
Why do you act like it's a drama ? Who cares if our brother was acting smug ? The world is filled with dragons acting smug.

>>22058265
Round up the sorcerers and wizards, get them to help us learn new spells.
Ask the merchants about information on the islands and the other towns of the coast, or about wherever the ships come from.
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>>22058396
Hits autosage at 300 posts or when a mod walks in with a hammer. We're at 226.
Other things to do:
1. Use nose to determine who gave him the trinkets.
2. Have elven agents keep an eye out for brother.
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>>22058396
No, we want to send hunters to track our brother.
We also want to kill our brother.
We also want to kill our sister.
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>>22058408
>>22058361
Good ideas.

>>22058396
Yeah. Make it look like a chance meeting. Ask him why he's practicing alone, when there's a few casters around.
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You recognise the style of most of the stuff in his hoard. The more recent stuff looks like it came from around the city of Temur (the big city to the south-east of you).
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>>22058448
Who controls Temur ? How powerful are the humans living there ?
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>>22058448
Sounds like brother is trying to usurp control.
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>>22058442
>>22058368
We don't want that. Our brother left his hoard, he's probably intending to return if he's not dead.
And we want to fuck our sister, not kill her.
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>>22058265
>You are fifteen, almost sixteen.
At what age will mom kick us out ?
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>>22058492
Obviously you fail to understand how strongly 'kill our siblings' part of our plans is underlined. We're talking the pen practically going through the paper here.
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>>22058462
It's currently ruled by king Nuvix. He's a sorcerer of moderate power, as are most of the higher nobility in Temure. He's known to be capable of third level spells.

The city itself has around 18,000 inhabitants, with close to 100,000 in the surrounding countryside. They are recovering from a war to seize the southern cities. They've managed to seize the 4 cities surrounding the bay, but their hold is tenuous. They have a standing army of around 5,000 most of whom are on occupation duty in the south.
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>>22058509
usually between 25 and 50 years.
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>>22058519
Maybe bro is doing mercenary work.
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>>22058519
Hey, I say we just fly over there ourselves and see whats what. Who knows, if hes doing defense work, we might be able to make that gold stream ours.
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>>22058442
Our mom is already having people look
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>>22058576
Fortune favors the bold.
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So what's your next action going to be? Check out the spellcaster?
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>>22058514
It still isn't convincing. At all.

>>22058535
That doesn't leave that much time. I'd like to start building a power base we can take with us when we leave this place. The elves aren't fit for that.

But maybe we could make them so. Are elves naturally talented at magic ?
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>>22058557
Maybe bro is planning to betray us, how about that?
Look, these aren't your regular nice siblings that buy you smokes when you're still underage, these are dragon siblings. They're conniving little evil shits planning to backstab you, and only way to avoid betrayal is to betray them first. Honestly, fratricide is like the dragon equivalent of Bar Mitzvah, only with less presents and more murder.
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>>22058519
How available are magic items in this setting? Especially ones that will work with dragons?
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>>22058607
Check out the spellcaster before lunch, afterwards return finding a final solution to your sibling rivalry problems.
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Guys. We're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's calm down and investigate the spellcaster.

>>22058607
Check him out, act as though it's a chance meeting, basically a charming interrogation.
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>>22058607
Yes.
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>>22058607
Yep, and >>22058424.
If we can start some kind of secret magic academy in the woods with the elves, that guy and some other of the casters, it could prove very useful.
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>>22058619
THREE.
TIMES.
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>>22058644
Let's check out that caster-wannabe guy, but secret magic academy sounds like bullshit to me.
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>>22058644
I'm not very comfortable with the idea of a bunch of spellcasters living near us, they get mad powerful quickly. I think we rather should have some kind of a hermit on retainer-kind of dealio.
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>>22058639
A sexual charming interrogation, you say?
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>>22058620
>Maybe bro is planning to betray us, how about that?
Of course he is, but that changes nothing, and even then, he probably won't go through with it, because getting away from us has much less risk and better potential rewards.
He's probably making a lot of plans, some of which involve our death. But most won't see the light of day.
Who cares anyway. Lots of people want us dead. We'll just have to be better prepared than them. We can't kill everyone, that would just be boring.
As for the bar mitsvah, seriously I doubt that there's a tradition like that, and I'm not one for tradition.
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>>22058667
But I just crossed it out.
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>>22058687
>I'm not very comfortable with the idea of a bunch of spellcasters living near us, they get mad powerful quickly.
You only believe that because you only hear about those who got mad powerful. Most casters never cast a 3rd level spell, like the ruler of Temure.
Íf really one of them start progressing faster than us, we're still quite more powerful than a beginner human caster and will be able to kill him before he's a serious threat.

But we can't rely on our own strength only if we want to live through the next decades. We'll need to find powerful servants.
I think it's better to watch over their education than hire them ready-to-use.
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>>22058766
9 out of 10 warlocks agree that dead siblings are least likely to betray you.
If you can't trust a warlock, who *can* you then?
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>>22058699
We become sexually active around age 50
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>>22058821
who said anything about trusting them? keep them at arm's length at best.
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Investigate caster, learn spells either from him or independently. Puff the magic dragon in this bitch.
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>>22058796
True, but then again we have only a passing acquaintance with sensibility. Trust issues and general paranoia are big part of the whole red dragon package, and we should play to those. I mean, this is not some LG gold dragon reasonable actions civilization builder quest...
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>>22058844
A sexual shota dragon charming interrogation, you say?
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>>22058914
Every good interrogation chamber needs a big bed.
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>>22058924
And a teaspoon of lube
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>>22058892
I don't think we should play any stereotype.
The point of this is to make up our own character, not to follow a script.
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>>22058934
AGREED
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>>22058934
...but if our character isn't a semi-paranoid, greedy chaotic evil jerk, then why bother with the whole RED dragon thingie in the first place? The entire point is to role-play something else than reasonable decisions 24/7 robot, you know...
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>>22058933
>Teaspoon of lube makes the interrogation go down
>Worst. Musical. Ever.
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>>22058951
DISAGREED
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>>22058974
On the contrary. It would outlive CATS!!!
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>>22058979
I DISAGREE YOUR DISAGREE
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>>22058987
I AGREE TO DISAGREE
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>>22058934

>The point of this is to make up our own character

and the character we're creating is kind of dull, imo.
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Investigate what our brother is up to. We might need to beat him down and tax him for allowing to be used by the lesser races.
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>>22058997
Uhm do you agree to disagree the disagree or just the disagree?
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>>22058985
>2012
>cats

Where's the next roll op?
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>>22058998
I like him. He doesn't take insane chances. We can do silly stuff once we have our own territory.
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>>22058998
True. You know why in all the movies and books and comics the villain is always more interesting than the hero? Because he gets to ham it up and do all kinds of cool stuff you're not allowed.
Just like a red dragon could do!
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>>22059018
Oh nonsense, we can start doing insane stuff right off the bat and we won't be any worse off. Come on, it'll be fun!
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>>22059033
I kinda believe we actually WILL be worse off. So thats a no from me.
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>>22059033

>we can start doing insane stuff

Disagree. We can be malevolent and bold but let's not go into lolsorandum territory.
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>>22058969
>then why bother with the whole RED dragon thingie in the first place?
Why not ? Even dragons that doesn't conform to the stereotype still have a color, this one is not more of a bother than any.

>The entire point is to role-play something else than reasonable decisions 24/7 robot, you know...
Being intelligent does not mean being a robot.
I think it's much funnier to be an intelligent red dragon that wants to become a pharaoh, than a chaotic dumb red dragon that kills everything he meets and goes out of his way to make bad or pointless decisions until his own death.
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>>22059087
i agree, we can be "lolsorandom" when we become incredibly old and senile
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>>22059104
Honestly, it should be the complete opposite. We're young and dumb. 500 years from now we should be saying "holy fuck I was a retard back then".
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>>22059087
>>22059033
What kind of insane stuff do you want to do ? Killing our siblings is not insane, it's just randumb. Not building our power base is not insane, it's just boring.
I'm okay with insanity, if it actually makes things fun for us.
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>>22059007

I agree. Working for mortals is disgracing.
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>>22059096
Upgrade that to 'sexy pharaoh', and I'll agree with you.
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>>22059123
well, what im talking about isn't 500 years, im talking about, say, 5000 years from now, if our charater makes it to that age...
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>>22059087
When I said silly stuff I more meant things like using our shape-shifting powers to seduce princesses or join an adventuring party dedicated to our destruction.
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>>22059131
Killing is siblings is actually sensible thing to do. They are our direct rivals who are most likely plotting our demise even now.
Dragons don't play well with others.
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>>22059155
>>22059087
>>22059033
well that changes my opinion completely. i totally agree with the seducing princesses part, because dragons are sluts after all. joining a murder-hobo band... i have my reservations, but im not against it either.
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>>22059173
I'm pretty sure our sister doesn't know how to plot.
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>>22058914
Be still my raging boner.
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>>22059149
I'm willing to take that step.
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NEW THREAD OP
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Circling above the forest you quickly spot the intruder. He hasn't noticed you and is thoroughly engrossed in his work. It isn't clear what he is trying to cast, but going by the violent sparks of energy that just knocked him over, you guess it failed. descending to treetop level lets you get a clear look at him. A human male, in his late teen or early twenties. He is surrounded by several scraps of paper with various bits of arcane writing on them. He is currently leaning over what you presume is his spellbook, comparing it to the notes on one of the pieces of paper.

You swoop down, closing your wings and dropping the last several metres to avoid colliding with the trees. The ground shakes slightly as you hit it, something the intruder doesn't fail to notice. He jumps slightly and turns around, his eyes bulge as he catches sight of you. He immediately runs, at impressive speed for a human, but you knock him down before he gets too far. You loom over him and he looks like he's about to soil himself.

"What are you doing here, human?" you say in the trade tongue, trying to sound as imperious as possible.

He continues to whimper and stare at you in horror.

You slap him over the head with your forepaw. "I said, what are doing here?" injecting a little anger into your tone this time.

He finally seems to realise he's being spoken to. "I- I er, I was trying to practice my spells, uh your highness." He addresses you by a title normally reserved for human royalty. It will do for now. He shifts nervously under your gaze.

"Trying to practice? Since when does practice involve setting yourself on fire?" Not even your sister, who is far from the most capable caster, ever managed to turn her spell against herself.
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>>22059173
The green dragon, the bronze dragon and our mother do not kill each others. Why should we ?
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"Er-yes, Um, well that's why I was practicing. I'm not very good at it yet. I-I mean I've got the cantrips, but it's the first circle spells that I'm having trouble with." He seems a little embarrassed to be admitting it, but he seems to have realised that doing what you want makes death less likely.

You wonder precisely why he is out here to practice. You aren't an expert on human magical practices, but you do remember something about most mages having a tutor. "Shouldn't you be learning from someone, rather than seeing what blows you up and what doesn't?"

He seems to droop at this. "Yes, master Olmir. He died three months ago. It's difficult to get an apprenticeship at the best of times, but...well, I'd hoped to get the hang of a few first circle spells and go to Temur to study under one of the masters there." You ignore the fact the would be a direct violation of your mothers decree that people aren't allowed to leave without her permission. You don't particularly care and he might prove useful.

You lean back and look at the human. He might not be very competent, but he at least knows the basics of prepared arcane magic. Something none of your followers are familiar with. He could train a few of them as wizards, considering his skill, none of them will learn enough to threaten you any time this century. You could even learn to prepare spells from him yourself. Your magic id powerful, but lacks flexibility, and it could prove an effective surprise to an attacker. Not many dragons bother with spellcasting beyond their innate abilities.

So, what will you do with him?
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>>22059256
>The green dragon, the bronze dragon and our mother
>notice that none of them have living siblings
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>>22059261
confiscate all his arcane material and drag him to the elf village, give them instruction he is to be kept, he may prove useful
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>>22059261
HE WILL BE THE TEACHER AT OUR NEW CANTRIPS ACADEMY!

We will be there to make sure nothing goes awry. And possibly learning some nice tidbits in the process.
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While you can be lolrandum, you will be dependent on good rolls to get anything done (or even survive). A good plan can mitigate a bad roll, or remove the need for rolls entirely. The older you get, the less forgiving things will be - and they aren't going to particularly forgiving now.
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>>22059261
We make him our personal priest/wizard. We will show him the acid power and pretend to be a might magician and have him teach our best elves some shitty magic.
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>>22059276
the green does have at least 1, while little is known about the bronze.
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>>22059261
Persuade him with your sexy dragonic charms.
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>>22059294
Killing siblings isn't lolrandum though, it's dragon adulthood 101.
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he might not know much but his master did, lets get ahold of those books and scrolls, we'll dump this lad off with the elves, they should be able to keep a prisoner, plus they have not dealt much with humans, they should be distrustful of him
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>>22059318
he didn't mention anything about killing our siblings. im honestly against killing our siblings, they are stupid enough to get themselves killed on their own.
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Take the wannabe wizard under our wing. He can reside with the elfs, for now, and we will watch over his development. Of course, studying human magic should also prove helpful to us.

After that, we go after our brother and beat him down for whatever reason we make up on the way.
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>>22059352
this;

we can "persuade" him very easily
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>>22059330
Yes! We get him to go get his masters scrolls and books and move into the village! He will teach and research and get fed and stuff at the same time! And if he don't want to strike this wonderful deal we will fry him!
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>>22059261
Does he has more to study than these scraps of paper ?
I mean, if this story follows the usual tropes, he probably is actually talented and will be able to keep up with our own growing power... But then again it might not.
And he doesn't look like much. We need something more.

Okay, have him come back here tomorrow with all his stuff, especially books and such. Tell him we'll help him with his spells, but we'll keep the books with us.
Do not tell him that we'll keep him too, but that's what we'll do : we'll send him to the elves, with the duty of teaching the best of them what magic he knows, and the elves will have to keep him with them, not allowing him to return to the humans.

Then, we'll go meet the wizards of the area, and start learning from them. If we find one particularily cooperative or promising, we'll take him to the elves too. If not, we'll just teach the wannabe caster and the elves what we learned ourself.
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>>22059338
Kill our brother, but we love our sister too much to kill her >:
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I agree, so our plans are:
- Make the human stay with the elves
- Study his arcane stuff he's brought
- Start working on fucking up our brother

Really, we should just all agree, that we hate our brother. A reason is not needed, it's just pure unadulterated hatred towards him. He's inferior to us, there shall be only one male offspring.
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>>22059276
Just because they don't live in the same lair, doesn't mean they're dead.
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>>22059388
he might already be dead, or at least far away enough to not pose a threat to us for a long time.
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>>22059398
We should blame our brother for killing sicky, the other egg that didn't hatch. We believe that he hatched early, killed sicky and then went back into his egg! I still think we should make the human our priest. Along with the magic shit
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>>22059398
sounds like a plan
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>>22059398
I prefer wary indifference.

>>22059318
That's what you say. Dragon adulthood 101, I think, is : settle away from any other dragon or swear fealty.
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>>22059398
Agreed.
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>>22059398
-Lay plans to seduce/manipulate our sister into serving us. Possibly as a sister-wife.
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>>22059194
"I might know where you could find someone knowledgeable about arcane magic who might be willing to teach you."
Use our little acid spell on a tree or something.
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>>22059398

Agree on all points.
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>>22059388
I'd bet 10 bucks that our sister is already working on making half-dragonic minotaur servants for herself while hiding in the mountains. What do we have, some flimsy elves?
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>>22059465
We did, but apparently we didn't get any result.

Did we go through with it, OP ?
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>>22059485
I don't think we are of fertile age yet, but that does seem her style; angry and bullish

when we can we should start breeding elves. OP how many elves have been born so far?
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Rolled 4

>>22059485
We should try to look further into her activities.
Rolling for sneaky surveillance of our sister.
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>>22059515
Low is good, right ?
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>>22059388

No killing family. Instead, we allow our siblings to gorw and prosper...for a while. Then we beat them up and take everything they conquered.
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>>22059515
4 on 1d100? Not bad, not bad at all.
>>22059485
Considering that we're the sexiest male dragon in the vicinity and our sister isn't interested in our advances, it must mean that she's slutting it up with some other creatures. It's the only explanation we can come up with.
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I like this quest. Two threads yet, but I decided I like it.

Just try to keep the timeskips to a minimun. There is still much to do, and skipping the early phases is bothersome (at least to me).
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>>22059514
If the draconomicon says the truth, she won't make half-dragons before a while.
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so kidnap the wizard is the plan?
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>>22059732
pretty much, and wrack his brain of his meager magical knowledge.
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>>22059535

>we allow our sister to grow and prosper

Fix'd. Our brother needs to go if we're going to be the alpha male.
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The wizard glances at you cautiously. You've been quiet for a while now and he looks like he's starting to wonder if he said something wrong.

"You do realise that try to leave these lands would simply get you killed?"

"W-what? No I-I didn't. Why would-"

"-Goltyrsyx would probably have you killed for even considering leaving. Fortunately for you, I am not Goltyrsyx, and I do not care about her rules." A slight lie, but you only care about her rules insofar as following them stops her pounding your skull into the floor. "How did you not know that no-one is permitted to leave anyway?"

"I was raised in the village of rivben. We don't have much to do with the rest of the world. I never knew anyone from the city until Olmir offered me an apprenticeship, and never talked about much beyond magic."

Ah, a jumped up peasant then. "Regardless, you won't succeed in leaving, not without putting considerable thought into it anyway. I could help you, in exchange for a small service," you say, trying to avoid letting your features become too predatory. You continue before he has a chance to answer. "There is a small settlement of elves in this forest. If you were to teach them what you know of magic and let them copy your documents, I would be willing to assist you on your journey to Temur."

He seems to realise that refusing isn't an option. "Oh, I suppose that would be reasonable. How long, roughly would you say?" He tries to make the question sound as casual as possible, but he's clearly concerned that if he goes, he might never leave.

"Shall we say, until they've mastered cantrips, and are reasonably well on their way to the first circle." He hastily agrees. It sounds reasonable enough and you can always find excuses to stretch his service out if necessary.
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The two elven woodsmen who led you to him set off to escort him to their village. You've explained to them that he is going to be teaching some of them magic - something they seemed surprised at and quite excited about.

You set off towards the lair, pondering the situation with your brother. It's possible he's started working with the green, but unlikely. He's smart enough to know he'd be killed as soon as he stopped being useful and if she suspected betrayal, Goltyrsyx wouldn't do anything about it. If that is the case he is probably dead, as otherwise he would have come back by now or taken his hoard with him. The bronze is another option, but none of you know much about the bronze beyond the fact it exists and a rough guess as to it's size. It is unlikely he would attempt to bargain with such a potentially dangerous individual without knowing he wouldn't be immediately killed, even if he could get in contact with something which spends most of its time underwater. Finally he could have left home, but again, his hoard has been left behind.

When you arrive back at the lair Goltyrsyx is furious. She is shouting orders at a small group of grim looking kobolds, something about tracking 'them' down. She turns to face you as you enter.
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>>22059885
What? When did we ever say we would help him leave?
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>>22059857

Nah. We're letting him prosper too. Since he's been missing, he might be building his own stuff, and maybe even finding a mate already.

Then we go in and crush him completely. Take his hoard, get his girl, acquire his slaves/minions. You know, that kind of thing.

Stealing any mate he try find will bve hilarious.
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>>22059885
OP we're into autosage now, just so you know.
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"Your brother is dead. Some human vermin killed him when he was raiding a merchant caravan south of the mountains." She spits the words out, in more of a rant than an attempt to convey information. "They dare to attack my own blood! I will hunt them down, I will consume their families in front of them, I will burn their homes-" She pauses before giving a snarl of rage. Realising she's ranting she pauses. "One thing you must learn about the lesser races, *never* let an insult go unpunished. If you do not remind them of their place, they will grow arrogant, then, this. I have a number of agents attempting to track down the party responsible. If they are brought to me, I shall be merciful, and only kill families of those involved. If the cities do not heed my warning, they will burn."

From what you know of Temur, they aren't going to hand over guards for killing someone who attacked some merchants.

The next day you return to your village. The wizard, Thorom, you learn his name is, has been telling them all about his late master, regardless of whether they wanted to hear about him. Having come from Temur, his knowledge was fairly considerable, having a reasonable collection of second circle spells and even a few third circle ones, though he hadn't successfully cast any of those. Thorom has already got two of your brighter slaves studying the basics of spell preparation. They might be able to cast very simple cantrips in a few months, but it will be years before they understand enough theory to progress beyond the basics.

You have been looking over some of his notes. A little bit of it makes sense, but actually understanding prepared magic is going to take a while, even for you.
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>>22059771
>>22059261
Should we really become a wizard ? Most of the serious threats we'll encounter will be more resistant to our spells than to our breath and claws.
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>>22059907
>stealing your brother's mate
>not stealing your sister's mate
>are you even trying?
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>>22059902
You said you'd help him to get him to agree to teach the elves magic without the problems of duress (if the elves know he's being forced they might not be as keen). Once he's spent a few years helping the elves, he'll be used to it so a few more won't hurt, then a few more and a few more, etc.
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>>22059930
>Implying implications
>As if we won't just take both the mates and our sister as loveslaves to add to our harem.
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>>22059917
all the more reason to become powerful in spellcraft, our bodies shall take most of the fight but lets give ourselves an edge, also wring info from this human wizard we were going to kill our brother... not some lowly humans
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>>22059930
>not stealing your sister's mate

Can't impregnate males, you know.

And I'd like to keep it that way.
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>>22059955
Now we're talking!
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>>22059972
Obviously you just haven't tried hard enough.
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Little brother is dead? What a shame.

Well, I guess it's time to collect our share of his hoard then. Do it while mother's too busy dealing with his murderes. THEN we go and look for them ourselves.
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>>22059989
that will just piss her off
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>>22059997
What she doesn't know won't harm her.
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>>22059911
Find other wizards, learn from them, take their books, bring all the knowledge to the elves.
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We should probably track down and kill whoever did this to our brother. Nobody is allowed to kill him but us.
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I going to end it her for the night, feel free to discuss what to do next. If there is a major consensus, I'll start the next thread with it.

The next thread should be up at around 2100-2200 gmt, Friday 21st.

Critique is welcome, writing style, characterisation (more characters will come later), etc, along with any other suggestions.
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>>22059997

Fine, just take the most interesting items, then. Before mother takes her share, of course.

Then we take our share and let little sister take what we leave for her.
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>>22060091
Thanks anon for the quest, I like your writing style.
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>>22060105
(dragon incest plz?)
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>>22059989
Yeah, right, she probably won't notice. She surely doesn't know the exact count of trinkets and coins in our hoards, right ? right ?

Go talk with sis about the death of our brother. Tell her that though our brother was a weakling and a fool, he was still a dragon, and that dying like this just won't do. For us.
So starting now, we'll enforce and expect cooperation and mutual help between the two of us. We'll use her strength and ressources, and protect and help her too.
It's not negociable.

And then >>22059515.
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>>22060091
>2100-2200 gmt, Friday 21st.

WHY? That's pratically an entire week.

>critique

Everything seems fine so far. I'm bothered by frequent timeskipping, though. We just had one, another one so soon isn't cool, even thought the baby years aren't really that good to work with.

Also, you should consider writing the quest more than just weekly. Seriously, 6 damn days, fuck.
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>>22060091
Suggestion : do this more often.
We discussed a lot in these threads, but we didn't get to do much. If there's one per week we'll lose track. Intervening more often in the threads might be good too.

I liked it.
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>>22060121
you need to reread the descriptions of red dragons. She will know.
>>22060125
I on the other hand like the time-skips.
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>>22060382
>you need to reread the descriptions of red dragons. She will know.
Yes, I was sarcastic.
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>>22060091
What about heading over to our sister and trying to sneak up on her to keep the not getting surprised advantage, but sort of get close and then put on our best sarcastic/worried voice and tell her that it seems like our brother died because he tried to overexert himself too far too fast, and if he was cleverer then her, what does that mean she'll end up as? Always getting scolded and pushed aside. Then tell her that she should just accept our dominance, because big brother will always love and protect his little weaker sister.
If she tries to attack, we position around to get on top and bite at her neck before doing that patronizing thing where you kiss a weaker opponent on the forehead before leaving.
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>>22060990
That sounds like fun.
>>22059917
Because most of the interesting classes for dragons require you to be much older. I think dragon ascendant would be fun, but it requires us to be too powerful for it to be a realistic short term goal.
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>>22060125
Personally I support the timeskips, need to get rid of our baby-years and get to the fun stuff. Also, please, not a weekly break! I don't know if I can take it!
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>>22060990
Also, I support this.
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>>22060990
>Then tell her that she should just accept our dominance, because big brother will always love and protect his little weaker sister.
That part is too corny for me.
Don't ask for her submission, and don't declare our love for her in exchange, even as a joke. She's rash, but isn't naive.
Switch it with >>22060121. State our plans for her, and act accordingly and decisively. If she fights, fight back and win, and then only we can mock or tease her.



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