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Good evening, ladies, gentlemen and those who do not fall into either category. It's Thursday, so you know what that means! That's right; it's Civilization Quest time!

Previous thread is archived here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22475611/

The full archives are here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Red+White+and+Britfag

Who's ready to get playing?
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>>22512346
Ready to roll. right after I made myself a salad
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I an inserted my emergency suppository. Let us begin. You gonna start with the turn report you viciously withheld from us last thread?
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I am so ready right now its not even funny.
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Britfag, lets get this show ON THE FUCKING ROAD! Yeah! I am so ready for this!
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>tfw Britfag is a tsundere and is always tsun with no dere.

Why do you abuse me!
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I'm back with some delicious salad. Now I won't have to starve like our village.
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>>22512810
We have low food now! If we keep gathering we can get the stores up. This next year we need to induct that harvest priest and expand the fields... a lot.
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I thought we were going to be doing this...
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>>22512995
Just wait young one, this is how britfag always is. All tsun with no dere.
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>>22512735
>Oh you flatter me. Everyone knows I'm yandere. Now stick with my quest thread, or I'll have to chain you all to a chair and force you to play forever and ever. After all, why would you want to leave when I love you all that much~?

The Spray Folk agree to come upriver again at the time of the festival, on the stipulation that the tribe makes it worth their time. They will provide a selection of useful seeds and goods, if in exchange, the tribe can feed the burgeoning fur market. They are particularly excited about the promise of 'something special'.

After staying and conducting small trading for a couple of days, the Spray Folk leave again.

END OF TURN
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>>22513055
Oh wait, nuts, I forgot... That was just the report. What actions do you want lined up for the new turn?
Wow my head's on loose today...
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>>22513087
OPTIONS! What is WRONG with me?

Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Gather wild food in the forest
E) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
F) Hold a cultural event (specify)
G) Craft specific objects
H) Send envoys to another tribe
I) Other
J) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>S-stupid players... I-it's your fault for confusing me! Y-you didn't actually believe that silly yandere act, did you?
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>>22513087
The actions we agreed upon last thread.
B) More Hunting, go after the other animals of the forest. Squirrels, possum, raccoons, and the like. This is in addition to the deer. We need meat, give them baskets for this.
B) Fish, fuck those salmon after they laid their eggs. There should be a few stragglers. Send Rina to go get us some damn food. Also give them baskets.
H) Send a group down to the river brothers, explaining our predicament with the failed harvest and our desperate need for food. We helped them in the past, they should help us.
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>>22513135
Yup, just go with these. We don't have to go through full diplomatic relations with the river brothers. Just tell us if they hand off some food or not.
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>>22513117
I want to hug you now... more than usual

>>22513135
seconding this... but we should talk to the rivers also about farming techniques and stuff when we are there anyways.
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>>22513163
We already have the info on what to do to fix the farms. We got it from the Earthsplitters before the war began am I the only one who remembers this stuff?. All we need to do is induct a priest and irrigate the fields with river dredge before planting.
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>>22513196
That's one thing I DO remember. (Even if I forget everything else) But there's no harm in asking if they know anything else or have any info we could use. Maybe different hunting grounds or ANYTHING. Could be they made some farming discoveries themselves by now, even if it's... I forgot the word... not a high chance or something.
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>>22513249
unlikely?
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>>22513395
Thanks. That's exactly the one I meant.
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>>22513421
We can insitute it next year, dig ditches, expand field, and fill the hutches.
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>>22513448
Also hunt some trolls.

Ok, so this season we need to kill or capture a bear. That will be our back up "Something Special" if we can't find anything more mythical than that. If we can we need to capture or kill a troll/manticore/what ever the fuck other non sentient mythical creatures there are and sell that hide instead. In addition we know for a fact there are creates, Hrunti has said to us that there are things that lurk in the deep woods besides gods. We build Hunti's order, and their first mission is to find and kill us a troll.
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>>22513514
This one is me.
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>>22513514
If we don't find any good animals to hunt, we could also just mix different animal parts and make a neat fur ourselves... It will be one of the first scams in history.
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>>22513135
I'll concur with this as well even thought it's probably already being written.
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>>22513196
I thought you said you would drop that name you lying faggot
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>>22513648
I believe our army should be back this next turn too, morale is going to be horrible but at least we should get back to our previous hunting levels are close to it. I hope to god that is the case.
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>>22513691
fuuuu- or close to it.
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>>22513605
Sounds good enough for me. In addition, what creatures do you think Britfag will include? I think we're a long way off from meeting non human sapients (they're probably either in the spirit realm or on another continent), so what could we possibly see?

Here are my ideas:
Trolls (the non sentient Elder Scrolls kind)
Manticore
"Dire" beasts
Lycanthropes
Hippogriff
Gargoyle
Bugbear
Slimes (gotta love slimes)
Giant Spiders
Boggarts
Ents

While only a few of these are good for hide I am sure the spray folk would be fascinated with various trophies made from them.
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>>22513673
I only keep it for this thread because I have been posting in this for over six months under this name. I don't use it any other time, calm down sir.
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>>22513691
They'll be back on turn 10, so we have another set of actions before that happens.
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>>22513765
So you're a lying faggot, then.
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Boy britfag is taking a while today.
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>>22513777
I just wonder if there is anything we can do to meaningfully increase our morale to better take the brunt off the incoming shitstorm when they arrive. Other than simply have food for them, but that seems entirely unlikely unless we manage to bag raccoons, squirrels, possums or anything else beyond count.
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>>22513887
There is always the option of a cultural event. Those generally raise moral and if we do some kind of winter festival it'll probably help us out. Also, once the food is stable we can start building a temple to the lion and crow god to help make the lion bros feel more at home.

Next turn (if our food posts up from low to normal). I vote we spend one action getting food, one to begin building a temple (to the god they prefer), and one to throw a small festival.
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>>22513887
>>22513937
I can get behind that.

>>22513865
He's gotten a little slower recently, I feel.
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>>22513937
I propose we bring back the fish and fuck festival if our food allows. Maybe change it to the forest rodent and fuck festival/honoring our fallen and swearing vengeance.
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>>22513972
The what?
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>>22513785
And you are a blaggard a scoundrel, a ruffian and a reprehensible clod who has no place in this quest. Refrek has been a regular contributor and active member of this quest since almost its inception. What, pray tell, have you done?

Also: Please confirm actions for this turn!
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>>22513988
We already confined it britfag! Get your head in the game!
>>22513135
We're going with this.
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>>22513988
Also, thanks for defending me. I'm pretty much universally hated on this board outside this thread for some reason.
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>>22513972
Fish and Fuck festival. We had it after the salmon run, remember?

Except its a bit late for that so if we manage to find a ton of raccoons, squirrels and possums we could change it to the Forest Rodent and Fuck Festival. That should make somebody happy.
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>>22514028
Aw Ref, I don't hate you. I just dont generally agree with anything you say. lol.
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>>22514043
>grumble grumble
We wouldn't be starting if we have converted to necromancy based society like I said
>grumble

>>22514030
No I don't remember this one actually. I remember a festival from the salmon runs, but don't remember it containing large amounts of fucking.
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>>22514093
>starving

Damn I can not type today.
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>>22514093
>necromancy based society
Only if we accept our lychee overlords.

And the festival indeed contained large amounts of fucking. It started as a fertility thing to get our numbers up.
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>>22514190
Huh, I do not remember. We probably shouldn't be boosting numbers now, considering the food situation. But a festival orgy might raise moral.
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>>22514272
Sad but true. Morale is going to be a cluster fuck. "We're starving and we lost a huge chunk of our manpower? Well, eh... I'm just going to take my family and walk nonchalantly over towards the gate and.... BOOK IT! TO THE RIVER BROS! RUUUUUN!"
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>>22514356
Also Boars. We should also hunt boars. Hrunti himself said there were boars and bears to be eaten. We'll expand on that next hunt.
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>>22514356
>implying the river brothers won't sell you out to the spray folk

Honestly our current political situation with them is shaky. The river lands concord is there, but the Longfangs is the only thing keeping it together, if we fall it falls.

Also britfag! Where the hell are you, it's been two and a half hours and we still haven't had a turn. I love ya for running this thread, but I am starting to get just maybe a tiny bit impatient. Me thinks you have gotten bored of us.
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>It's been so long, I've kind of forgotten how to do the turn update!
>>22513135
The hunters head out to the forest again, bringing back all kinds of animals this time, big and small. The few wood-pigeons they brought back are a particular favourite! With Rina again helping the fishers take advantage of the river's bounty, there is hope starting to bloom again in the village that maybe they can make it through winter after all! Smoked fish may get same-y, but it's better than an empty belly!

A small group is sent downstream to the River Brothers and try to negotiate for more food, explaining the situation with the Lion Tribe means that this winter will be particularly lean. The River Brothers seem more than willing to help out and agree to send baskets of grain gathered from their own fields (sown with the seed the Spray Folk gifted and traded to them)...

Then the warband returns.
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>>22514467
Turn Report

Population: 656 (211 elders and children)
30 WOUNDED
Food: Low (Vegetables EXHAUSTED; Fruit CRITICAL)
Morale: 5/16

Known Food Sources: Average deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes, forest foods,
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, crude instruments, rough berry liquor, tribal militia, crude ideograms, primitive copper trinkets, crude clay writing tablets, clay wall-tiles

Moon 10

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river
Natural quarry
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>>22514413
River Brothers are closer than the Spray Folks. Seems like a logical place to first seek refuge either way. Maybe some tougher people will go to the ES, but meh. Whatever befalls them on their flight from our village is on them.

But that would also serve as a good casus belli in the event that they do get sold into slavery. River Bros being dicks and sold our people? Well, war, mah niggas. And they lack the gods to help them so it should be a more or less simple win.

But that scenario depends entirely on how things go after the troops get back. If everybody wants to fuck up our shit, then so be it.
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>>22514481
Wait, it's low with the food the River Brothers sent us? Or has that not arrived yet?
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>>22514481
EVENT
The Warband returns battered and STARVING. Though sheer luck and Hrunti's blessing (through Derrik) they were able to avoid the monstrous attrition everyone feared, It wasn't the GM fucking up, honest! but the mood of the Lion Tribe and the Earthsplitters is pitch black. No sooner have the Lion Tribe warriors returned, than the entire tribe departs, casting bitter looks and angry words at the Long Fangs, driving their cattle before them upstream, to try and find a crossing point. The Earthsplitters likewise depart in disgust, their chief shaking his head and refusing to look back, even when called to by the Long Fangs. Trym is immediately taken to rest by his grief-stricken wife and the tribe reels in shock at the grievous injuries to their mighty hero.

CRISIS POINT. WHAT WILL THE TRIBE DO?
A) Focus on healing Trym. He MUST live!
B) Make sure the departing Earthsplitters do not sour relations with the River Brothers
C) Try to fix things with the Lion Tribe.
D) Go after the Earthsplitters and try to reason with them.
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>>22514467
I'm a little relieved and also a bit worried. Relieved with the food situation but worried about that past hinting at our people thinking of leaving and that mentioning of the spray/river relationship...
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>>22514546
Well, that went better than expected... there are no riots yet.

I want Trym to live. Losing our mightiest hero in these grave times would be horrible...

How many actions can we choose here?
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>>22514481
Here is the speech Trym presents to the people.

"We have peace, there will be no more war between the Sun Folk and the Riverlands. Their gods themselves came and ensured to us that they will not allow the Sun Folk to take any offensive action. This does not mean that we won the battle however, we lost many, as did they. We broke their gate, but they swelled to defend. Their god attacked, and so did ours. At best what we have done was a draw between our two peoples, a peace brokered with the help of the gods. What we did was foolish, we were ill prepared for war and underestimated its cost. In the future, if we are to ever war again, we must be prepared. I call for the establishment of a formal military, trained soldiers who will fight for the people of the Riverlands. This can be worked out later, today we must lay our dead to rest. They fell to set the sun, but the light is still on the horizon. We must run to it, and seek the dawn."
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>>22514546
Heal Trym. The way I see it, if we lose him, fuck. But if he gets healed we can send envoys to the other tribes and have him speak. None can deny his accomplishments during the battle, his prowess at defeating the enemies.

And if they still turn from us, we will conquer them in turn with our mightiest hero at the fore. And with him still alive, the River Bros might be more willing to compromise. As for the Lions and ES, well, we'll see what comes of it.
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>>22514546
C and D

Trym, you are one man, this is the entirety of our tribes we are speaking of here.
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>>22514626
and by defeating the enemies, I mean he did kill like a dozen dudes on his own before getting zapped by a repeating nova cannon, dammit.
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>>22514609
I'm not sure he can deliver much of a speech right now...

>>22514627
No. I want him to live. He is part of what brought the tribes together in the first place, our greatest hero. Also losing him could mean losing connection to the rivers...
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>>22514626
One man can not be prized over the entire village. We need to go to them. Also, I don't see why we can't do more than one, our healers and negotiators aren't the same people.

Send Rina to the Lion Tribe (they have been with her for a while), Gerin to the Earthsplitters (they worship groza, he should have a connection with them). Get Trym to healing, he is not to go on any of the diplomatic runs.
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>>22514647
We can do more than one thing. We should go with what I said in >>22514648 . Hopefully we can not have this end too badly. Also, why exactly are they angry at us anyway? We had the most people die, we risk the most in this war, and they all agreed the sun folk needed to be stopped.
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>>22514648
Actually Rina kind of is our healer. Minor healing skills and such. We also have basic medicine, but certainly she would be better off working on his wounds.
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>>22514676
Ok, she goes with them, send Mickey and our Shield Maiden (forget her name) to the Lion Bros
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>>22514546
I suspect this will be our one chance to easily repair relations with one of these tribes. This is troublesome. In the ensuing shit storm that's bound to follow all this, having at least one tribe on our side could smooth things exponentially. We need the other tribes now more than ever.
However. Trym needs us. I am torn.
Also, howdy everybody, apologies for being late.
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>>22514666
It wouldnt be much of a crisis point if we could choose all of the actions. Unless britfag says otherwise, I'm sticking to just healing Trym. The other tribes are furious, I would be too, but they will calm down or they will do something stupid and we will crush them with all of our force including the gods new and old.
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>>22514666
Okay, I'll second this
>>22514648
But I want it changed so Rina tends to the wounded and Trym. She's our healing shaman...
We might want to let the lions cool off first... perhaps... maybe.
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>>22514708
No, strike the damn iron while it is hot. Lets shout at one another for a while.
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>>22514707
Yea, I don't think Britfag's gonna let us write our way into picking all the answers so easily. I suspect we may still have a chance to salvage our relationships, but if we don't choose to do so now, it will be much harder, and much less likely to happen. Troublesome.
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>>22514703
Which is why I argue that healing Trym might retain our sway over the RB. We lives with their tribe, shares a child of their people. If anybody will stick with us, it will be them.

As for the Lions, they are probably too weak to do much in the way of threaten us in force.

The ES are our real concern and even then I think their chief is smart enough to know he probably wont win on his own. That said, The Lions are on the far side of our village from the ES so they are already divided. All we would need to do is conquer.
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>>22514703
It is fine. Normally Britfag lets us choose more than one in such situations. We need Trym, but we the others as well. Earthsplitters is more pressing, as they can ruin our relations with the river brothers as well. The Lion Tribe can wait, but I don;t want to.

Lets go with this

Gerin > Earthsplitters
Rina > Heal Trym
Mickey > Lion Tribe
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>>22514739
He lives with their tribe, pardon.

And if we send anybody to talk to them, have it be Tryms wife. She can speak of how she has almost (hopefully almost) lost her husband, the father of her child.
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>>22514739
The Lion Tribe is small now, if we send an envoy in a turn or two with food and people to help repair their village. I think they could be convinced to forgive them,

Also the ES, I don't see them turning hostile. We all agreed to war, and while we were the ones who warned them of the threat they agreed for the need. I think we can repair this, Gerin has the best chance though as he is a priest of Groza and they worship Groza.

If we have Gerin go, let him be holding Ya'Jal.
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>>22514739
I like this plan. It sounds reasonable, and strategic. Plus, who would we want to make friends with more now than the greatest farmers this side of the Riverlands. I want Trym to survive. But we can spend a number of turns devoted to healing Trym, if this is our chance to save our tribe diplomatically, we need to take it.
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>>22514746
The one time I'm down for potentially conquering our neighbors and ending our need to bargain with them and you stand against it?

This world, Ref. What has it done to you? lol.
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>>22514783
We are not killing our allies! I stand by the Riverlands Concord, it says we shall never raise a hand against those who have signed. I meant that when I said it! We are brothers now, and though we may fight we remain that!
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>>22514746
I mostly agree... Also ES might turn to the spray folk if we don't salvage it right away.
But I think priorities would be like this:
1. Trym
2. ES
3. Lions

I'll just assume that we are able to do one diplo and heal trym anyways.

>>22514766
I think we should do that at max a turn from now... But they might not accept that gift, thinking it makes them weak or something... we might have to pummel them into submission again... who knows.

>>22514783
I also strongly vote against any war possibilites... let's first see what we can salvage.
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>>22514804
He makes a good point. The Riverland Concord is the best thing we have to fall back on now. It may be the deciding factor in repairing our relations.
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>>22514782
Granted he has made it home, but I wouldnt put it past britfag to kill him off once we made any decision other than to heal him.

We can spend eons working on relations, those tribes arent going anywhere, but we only have one Trym.
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>>22514812
I agree with your choices seeing as healing Trym is first and foremost.

As for the war ideas, of course we see how things go. I dont want to simply invade them out of spite. I'm just saying that if the Riverland Concord fails because of this, we know our other options.

Not going to lie, alliances dont usually last past the first gigantic failure and this battle is just such a failure.
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Alright, if everyone's NOT reached consensus... Tough! It's time to make your choice. You can pick ONE option, or ENDEAVOUR to convince me to let you pick multiple. DO NOT expect it to go as smoothly if you do. That much divided focus is never a good thing!

>What's it to be?

Don't think I'm giving you the chance to take multiple choices for YOUR sake or anything! I-I just would like to give you all a chance to actually get somewhere with this s-so I can show off my writing!
B-baka...
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>>22514989
I ENDEAVOUR and say: Having Rina heal Trym should not interfere with Gerin talking to the ES. He'd still need a translator, but it shouldn't detract attention from healing our hero.

At least give us that, Brit.
B-blimey
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>>22514989
I'm going with try to fix things with the lion tribe. They're leaders got a thing for Trym, and will probably help him however he can, and they can be the muscle should the other two tribes of the Riverland Concord turn on us.
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>>22514989
>>22514989
Guys, I have an idea. Wait for me to write it up.
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>>22515108
This is me. Here is my idea. We can hope.

Gerin grabs the Riverlands Concord from the supply cart I specified we brought it with us in case we won, so it's on hand then runs out between the two tribes and holds both it and his spear high.

"Brothers! Does this mean nothing to you any longer? Is one defeat enough to crush the Riverlands? Enough to tear us asunder? Do you really give the Sun Folk that much strength! We came together and signed this agreement, we became brothers that day. Though we quarrel and fight we remain bonded by this piece." Then he throws it on the ground and holds Ya'Jal high, ready to pierce it.

"If this is truly over, if we are done this day and the Sun Folk have broken the back of the Riverlands, tell me to strike! It will be over, they will have won!" Then he puts the spear through the soft earth beside is.

"But if you still have an ounce of fight left in you. Come back, let us rebuild." We only need Gerin for this. Get Trym back in the village while he does it. We still retain control over our battle priest, right?
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>>22515247
If this doesn't work then the concord is broken and we can use our marriage relations with the River Brothers to strong arm the Lion Tribe then reestablish relations with the ES through force. It kills two birds with one stone.
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>>22515047
Gerin doesn't need a translator, the chieftain was shown to know our language at least, and the lion bros should have at least a few who do as well. Our message will get across.
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>>22515309
Oh right, I forgot.

>>22515247
Quite dramatic... Not sure if I want to go with this though. If we destroy the concord in case they reject us now, then rebuilding relations later will be even harder, and we will HAVE to go to war probably.
I'll see what the others have to say about it.
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>>22515047
Endeavoring, dammit.

Have Rina heal Trym. Send Gerin to the ES. After 4 months of marching and fighting together, surely they have some shared language even if basic.

"Chieftain of the Mighty Earth Splitters, I understand your anger. I share your anger and I certainly do not fault you for it. How could I? This travesty was the fault of the Long Fangs and nobody else. We were quick to act without thinking and because of that, we lost many fine warriors for naught. We can't change that, nothing can. With that said, I wish to speak to you man to man, warrior to warrior. Do not let this experience destroy our relations. We have worked hard together and built something great here. The Riverland Concord has been tempered by the flames of war and from these low beginnings, something great can and will be formed but only if we maintain faith in each other. These words may seem useless as of now but hopefully they will make sense in the fullness of time once these wounds have healed. The future of your people is yours and yours alone and I won't ask you to do something that you don't feel is in their best interest but, whatever the decision you come upon, I wish you health and happiness and look forward to our continued relationship in whatever form you wish to make of it."
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>>22515247
You have mis-understood, Refrek. What you're in now is damage control mode. The tribes have already gone, so it's too late for a speech like that. You just have to chose who gets the attention here.
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>>22515359
He's right though if we dissolve it now we can keep with the River Bros and get the lion tribe to be with us (I'd rather it be via diplomacy, but force could work).
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>>22515379
What? Oh... it was gonna be so cool though.

Then I vote heal Trym, we can fix the rest in the coming months.
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>>22515378
Not enough angry yelling, this is the time for shouting not politeness. We need to be refuges of audacity.

>>22515379
Another thing, seems a tad odd, the lion people organizing all their stuff and cows to leave in such a short span of time. I'm gonna call shenanigans! Mostly because you can still use my speech and fuck us over by having them refuse the concord.
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>>22515436
Angry yelling went out the window when I realized we needed the ES to not fuck up our food transaction with the RB.

Also, its a halfway decent speech and the divided attention shouldnt be sooo bad. Like I said, they marched together for 4 months. Nothing builds language fluency like constantly having to speak it.

Thats my argument for it, Britfag. I think it's a good one, but you'll do whatever you do after the tribe decides.
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>>22515483
The ES is the more important right now. If we send Gerin, send him with the concord. Show it to the Chieftain. This is to be outside the speech, the speech is delivered by one our reasonable individuals.

Gerin should say this.

"We agreed to be brothers. We both worship Groza. We walked alongside each other and fought against the same enemies. If you want to end that, if you want the concord to fade into the sunset, then let it be." have Gerin hand it to him.

"The Riverlands is in your hand, end it if you must."
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>>22514989
Alright, here's where I'm at- we get the lionbros on our side. Then, we try and find some way to go on a quest or something, ask the gods, or their priests, something, go on a quest to save Trym. We'll have to initiate one of those sooner or later, so it might be like two birds with one stone. I know it sounds pretty crazy, but give it a thought, and please don't let it sour your opinion on my idea to make peace with the lionbros.
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My vote is on healing Trym.
And if Britfag is feeling generous then I want to go with this:
>>22515378
Seems more diplomatical...
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>>22515557
The Earth Splitters are more important, the Lion Tribe is all but destroyed. If we send aid and workers to help them rebuild in a turn or two they will like us again. The Earth Splitters are pissed as fuck, we need to repair with them, not the Lions.
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>>22515577
Agreed. Saving Trym is my main objective. Everything else being secondary. He has been with us since the first five threads. If he is going to die, he is going to die a bamf fighting some gigantic goblin king who he defeats after being mortally wounded thus saving our tribe. Not after being hit with a bitch gun. Dammit.
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>>22515378
Alright, I'll support this, as long as we're being diplomatical, I'm game.
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>>22515632
Agreed, Trym is our first priority. Earthsplitters second, Lions third.
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So what are we still arguing right now? I'm lost.

Also I just managed to peel a clementine, while keeping the skin one piece... just sharing...
Fuck, I want some chocolate.

Sorry for off-topic.
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>>22515698
>Wanting chocolate

So you are a woman!

Also, we are arguing which is better; angry yelling audacious diplomacy, or calm collected logical dipmancy (I like angry yelling, always works on t.v.)
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>>22515726
>So you are a woman!
I'll admit to anything if I can just have some fucking chocolate...

Also I vote for calm diplomancy... I see enough yelling watching trash tv with the misses...
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>>22515820
>misses
A lesbian too I see.
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Are we all done arguing? Because you lost me AGAIN.

ONE post people. Vote A, B, C, or D, or a combination of them. I know this is important, but there's so many changed opinions now, it's impossible to keep track of who's voting what.

So please. One vote each. Now. Go.
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>>22515820
>>22515850
Maybe if we send Britfag pics of that, then our results will be phenomenal. Just an idea.
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>>22515884
Combination, get Trym inside and healing with Rina (A).

While also sending Gerin and Mickey to deliver >>22515378 and >>22515545. Mickey says the long reasonable speech. Gerin makes the personal plea to the chief with the concord (D). Have Gerin bring Ya'Jal and the Concord with him.
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>>22515884
A and B.
Have Rina heal Trym. Send Gerin to the ES. After 4 months of marching and fighting together, surely they have some shared language even if basic.

"Chieftain of the Mighty Earth Splitters, I understand your anger. I share your anger and I certainly do not fault you for it. How could I? This travesty was the fault of the Long Fangs and nobody else. We were quick to act without thinking and because of that, we lost many fine warriors for naught. We can't change that, nothing can. With that said, I wish to speak to you man to man, warrior to warrior. Do not let this experience destroy our relations. We have worked hard together and built something great here. The Riverland Concord has been tempered by the flames of war and from these low beginnings, something great can and will be formed but only if we maintain faith in each other. These words may seem useless as of now but hopefully they will make sense in the fullness of time once these wounds have healed. The future of your people is yours and yours alone and I won't ask you to do something that you don't feel is in their best interest but, whatever the decision you come upon, I wish you health and happiness and look forward to our continued relationship in whatever form you wish to make of it."

Dear Britfag I hope Trym lives. Thats my main concern overall, but we cant ignore starvation.
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>>22515910
Agreed, we must bribe britfag with lesbians. Quickly Ska, grow a vagina.
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>>22515939
You mean A and D. D is the Earthsplitter choice for reasoning with them. B is more river brothers oriented. If we solve D then B will take care of itself.
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>>22515884
D
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>>22515939
Seconding this but it'll be A and D.

>>22515850
If only...

>>22515910
>>22515945
I'm trying as best I can. Feed me chocolate and romcoms!
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>>22515963
ah yeah. pardon. a and d.
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>>22516025
OK BRITFAG, WE'RE GOING WITH A+D WITH JOSH'S SPEECH AND REF'S PERSONAL PLEE. TOGETHER IT CAN SWAY THEIR HEARTS MAYBE.
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RSIGTPTCO

I'm just going to post that now, and if it happens, I'll explain what it means. Hopefully I never have to. This is merely to prove that I called it.
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>>22516322
Oh god, I swear by all that is holy you bastard do not give britfag ideas.
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>>22516354
Nah, no ideas. Purely for "called it" purposes.
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>Thank goodness. Sorry that took so long.

Rina is immediately summoned from her shrine to care for the injured hero. The journey back has not been easy for Trym and he spent half the time asleep, the rest in fevered delirium, incapable of recognising those around him. Rina promises she will do all she can to heal him, but her arts are limited and healing does not STRICTLY fall under Chani's purview. Nevertheless, she gathers all her magic and her knowledge of healing plants and treatments, in an attempt to cute the fallen hero.

Meanwhile, Gerin is sent downriver to attempt to reason with the Earthsplitters. The man may be a priest, but he has precious little skill as a diplomat. Though he accepts the blame of the battle's failure and attempts to repair relations with the Earthsplitters, the chief raises his hand and cuts him off, the same with Refrek's personal plea. "Too many of my tribe have died for this to be mended by simple words," he growls, "You formed your concord for what? By the words of your goddess, for a hunger for battle! For the fear of an enemy who was not there! And your blunder cost the lives of men and women who trusted me to lead them. No more. You will not darken my hall until next winter and by then, you will come with some manner of recompense, or I will cast your precious concord into the fire! I have spoken. I do not wish to see another long fang for the next dozen moons. Begone!" At his words, the Long Fangs are escorted from the Earthsplitter village and forced to return home.

The Earthsplitters have refused all contact for the next year and demand compensation for their lost lives. Worse still, the River Brothers re-consider their position regarding sending the tribe food! Without the Lion Tribe present and with the disaster of the attack looming over the alliance, the River Tribe send word that the Long Fangs no-longer have the additional mouths to feed and the River Brothers must look to their own before all else.
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>>22516576
Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Gather wild food in the forest
E) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
F) Hold a cultural event (specify)
G) Craft specific objects
H) Send envoys to another tribe
I) Other
J) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)
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>>22516576
Well, at least there's a glimpse of hope with the earths. We can still do this.

>>22516585
What do we do now? 1 or 2 actions of food and 1 action of temple to farming god?
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>>22516630
Also I hope now we get back to regular pace...
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>>22516576
That went better than I expected, excellent. The River Brother thing can stand, it is true we no longer have the extra mouths.
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>>22516585
B) Go hunt some wild boar in the forest.
I) Send Gerin and any devouts who will go with him out on their pilgrimage. They are to seek out Groza wherever he may be train directly under him. Gerin is to bring Ya'Jal and the Concord. If anyone can repair our relations with the Earth Splitters, it is Groza (maybe they sent men as well, that'd be a boon).
I) Induct a harvest preist, we know how, just perform the ritual and get one set up in the temple we built earlier.
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>>22516630
Always hope. Shitty, shitty hope.

That said, I'd suggest we spend a point building Marnaths temple and ask him how we might heal Trym. He seems easier to deal with than Ermetha but obviously we'll ask her too along with the other gods. It was Sun magic who did this, perhaps sun magic will save him.
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>>22516698
This is me.
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>>22516702
I don't think so, you don't use a gun to heal a bullet wound. They did the damage, I don't think they can reverse it. His healing will continue. Rina will see to that. After he is well enough we will send him to the River Brothers to be with his wife and child.
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>>22516724
Guns arent sentient beings. These Gods are. I'm not saying leave it entirely to Marnath or Ermetha, but certainly asking them won't hurt.
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>>22516698
Wait, wait... amendment:
B) Send Derrik to go with the hunt. Have them bring the baskets.
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>>22516750
I think it is a waist of valuable resources. We need to get the priests out of here and get he orders established. By the time we return to the Earthsplitters we need to appear as strong as possible. Also we need to get to finding something "special" for the Spray Folk.
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>>22516698
I'm not too sure on sending Gerin right now. How about some more food gathering or a cultural event first? Morale is pretty low after all and if we want to send an envoy to the lions, we need some more food, too.
The other two actions I'm fine with.

Farming priest:
Jurgar

He is fat, strong, and dumb as a rock. He created his own little herb garden, loves cooking, tending to plants and occasionally animals. Spends most of his time on the farms and is eager to experiment around, with surprising wits. Unfortunately that's the only area where those tend to shine. Believes plants to be more than objects and even talks to them.

it's shitty, I know, but whatever
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>>22516834
Yeah you're probably right.

Lets change it to a festival honoring the dead who gave their lives, laying them to rest and vowing we shall repair the concord in the coming year.
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B) Go hunt some wild boar in the forest.
I) Throw a festival to honor the dead who gave their lives in the battle. Have the funeral outside of town, have it be a somber affair, but afterwards celebrate their life and all that. See if we can get Khoine to back off on the cold for us and have a light snow over the proceedings.
I) Induct a harvest preist, we know how, just perform the ritual and get one set up in the temple we built earlier.
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>>22516924
Seconding this, but have Derrik attend the hunt (and maybe not restrict it to boar only?) and use baskets
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>>22516924
Seconding this with the addition of Derrik helping the hunters and not just for boar. Times are tough, boars, bears, raccoons, you know. Anything that looks cookable.
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>>22516924
Agreed, plus Derrik on the hunting team.
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>>22516924
Everyone. Lets devote one action per turn to god related activities. I say next we send our Gerin, the following month establish Hrunti's order, and the following send Rina (if Trym is better). After these we have two months to hunt a great beast or at least produce bear skins. After the festival (if it takes two months of actions) we can send Mickey out to do his pilgrimage, and get Khoine and priestess (not a priest, don't have Mickey getting jealous). Also get out love goddess a order if we have time.

Besides this stuff we need to expand our fields A FUCKING TON and dig the irrigation ditches. Also, each turn, until we are up to "Bountiful" we will spend a point getting food.
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>>22517126
I can get behind that. But next turn or the one after that we need to send an envoy to the lions as well. Let's see if they are as cool as the Earths...
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>>22517182
When we send to the Lion we send with food and workers ready to help repair their village. We need to have a boon for them.
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>>22517196
That's a given. I'd just assume with this turn of food gathering with our mostly full force we'd have some spares.

>>22517126
So the next couple turns:
1food
1gods
1field expansion/envoy/other random shit
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>>22517182
Ditto. How the hell are we going to offer recompense to the ES though? Give them children? We can't do that.
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>>22517253
Trinkets, weapons, armor and a blood oath or something? Maybe a "we owe you a favour" that we have to promise with our blood?...
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>>22517253
We give them power. We shall gift to them beasts we capture and god lore. Also, we present them with this prospect. One of our heroes comes forward and says.

"If you truly wish for their to be an eye for an eye, then kill me. Reclaim your dead with my blood. I will not stop you." Or some shit, the chieftain won't kill him, he worships groza and has too much honor.
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>>22517310
This is me. Giving them power would go a long way, weapons, technology, godlore, war beasts. That kind of thing. The offering them blood for blood is a last resort.
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>>22517310
Of their Chieftan will challenge him to honorable single combat and slay him where he stands. But I like that idea regardless.

Also, sorry for being gone everybody. My laptop got stolen.
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>>22517310
Yea, that may work.

>>22517417
Hey there. Sorry for your loss. Already feared that some people ran off recently...
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>>22517458
'smee there.
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Hrunti should be our main focus at this point. Yeah, we're starving and shit, but next turn we should endeavor to seek him out and inquire as to the location of the deadliest prey to hunt.

Then, we hunt said deadly prey in the name of Hrunti

Then, we sacrifice said deadly prey in the name of Hrunti

Then, with Hrunti being all bro and chill with us for our awesome bro-mance of sacrifice and worship, we get more Godlore.

I'd be particularly interest in knowing what other gods there are in our neck of the woods.
A forest god, perhaps?
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Also anyone up for a chat? I'm bored waiting for Brit and can't play any of the games I want right now...
If you aren't, then you aren't.
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>>22517548
I'd save that for the turn after the next one. Next turn we should gather food, send gerin off and either improve fields or send an envoy to the lions.
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>>22517554
What's the channel name again?
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>>22517548
There may be a forest god somewhere. I am still in search for my forge god.
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>>22516752
You don't need to add 'bring the baskets' to everything; it's sorta implied by now.

>>22516924
Even though it is the middle of winter, the tribe still needs food. Hunters boldly set forth into the forest hunting possibly one of the more deadly creatures to roam its confines... Wild boar. The decision proves foolhardy. Arrows serve only to anger the beasts. Copper bends and stone shatters on their tough hides. Though many boar are indeed brought back to the village, it is not without cost. No less than nine hunters were wounded over the course of the moon and the cold, inhospitable weather and strength-sapping chill of winter means their injuries are slow to heal.

>Music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHA9oO1Ybg
>Try to picture the Sun People's magical blast firing at the blares of harsh sound
The ceremony for the dead goes some way towards soothing the hotter tempers of the village. No-one has seen Mikuhla in public since he returned with the warband and no-one knows how to call to Khoine save him. All the same, the light covering of snow that settles during the passing-away ceremony turns anger to grief. Not one person in the village did not know someone who died in the battle, either as a friend, or as a relative. Mothers, brothers, sisters, fathers, cousins and friends alike; all the tribe weeps for the loss of so many, even the normally loud and bombastic Gerin and the strong-willed Sallina are sobered by the affair.

Work on the temple to the harvest goddess of the Earthsplitters is finally completed. The ambassador who stayed with them seemingly lifetimes ago, reminds the tribe that the best time to call Perwan and welcome her into the village is during the planting or the harvest.
>You may NOT make the new priest/ess a hero. Heroes require an event and I will inform you when one can be created. Feel free to customise them, but don't expect me to remember, I'm afraid. It's hard enough keeping track of everyone already!
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>>22517592
#longfangs

>>22517613
Smithing god would be nice.
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>>22517631
United in grief. We must become stronger. Our fang may be broken, but we will rise again. Come friends, let us head towards tomorrow.
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>>22517631
This day marks the end of a chapter in our history. This is the end of the fourth age of the long fangs, we now enter the time of strength, of gods and beasts. Today we shall start anew. The dawn has come, and the sun is red.
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>>22517417
Holy shit, ImperialBro is back! I thought I'd done something to offend you! Great to see you!

>>22517631
Turn Report

>Think I may have messed up the math here somewhere... Eh.
Population: 653 (172 elders and children)
22 WOUNDED
Food: VERY LOW (Fruit EXHAUSTED; Fish low; Meat low)
Morale: 4/16

Known Food Sources: Average deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes, forest foods,
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, crude instruments, rough berry liquor, tribal militia, crude ideograms, primitive copper trinkets, crude clay writing tablets, clay wall-tiles

Moon 12

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river
Natural quarry
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>>22517631
Of course we know the priest isn't a new hero. My shitty writing was just to give him a name or something.

Also nice writing for the ceremony.

So we didn't introduce the harvest priest yet? Shoulda remembered when the best time for it was.
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>>22517706
This event dropped the morale from 5 to 4?... Was hoping for the opposite effect.
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>>22517613
Here is what I understand about gods so far.

You have Location gods like Chani. Their power and control is noticeably good, but they don't seem to grow that much.

You have Concept gods like Groza. These gods appear to NEED belief in order to sustain themselves. If no one believes in the concept, it does not exist, and therefor neither does the god. Their power is probably relative to their worship.

Lastly, you have the Physical gods. These are perhaps the most powerful ones. Hrunti is a physical god, existing before Man walked these lands. They do not need worship to survive, only a name to give them form. Their growth rate is hard to pin down, but I imagine that it isn't even tied to worship at all.


So what I'm trying to say is that concept gods are weak. Instead of a Forge god, go with a Fire god to help with forging things. Just like instead of a Hunting god, we have a Wolf god to help us hunt.
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>>22517714
Now that we've hunted boar and had some experience in killing them, do you suppose our tribes people are smart enough to figure out a better and slightly less dangerous way? Maybe make some pit traps or something?

Seems relevant to research growth and all. We can't keep healing people every time we hunt and since we havent hunted boar before, that's probably our best bet for food this winter.
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>>22517706
Mother Fucker, very low? How is our food situation supposed to work anyway?

B) Go ice fishing god dammit, send Rina to call as much fish as possible. Tell her to make a offering to Chani to try and please her into sending more fish.
I) Establish the order of the Grey Cloaks. It is a priesthood around Hrunti. They will be dedicated to serving him and learning from Derrik. Their first task is to find out from Hrunti great beasts that live far into the deep wood to hunt in his honor.
I) Heal those who were wounded in the hunt, and pay Trym another visit. Make sure that fucker is up and walking as soon as possible.

(Trym, I'm kinda annoyed by the fact we need to spend two of our actions every turn on food just to keep it stable. I know this is meant to be hard, but it doesn't seem consistent with how it was before.)
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>>22517792
Don't know why I said I was annoyed with trym. I'm annoyed with you Britfag. Mad face!

>>22517744
Seems off to me too.
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>>22517747
Neato. Seems reasonable. I hope you people keep this in mind because god lore isn't my thing.

>>22517768
Yea... People should get behind that at some point.
But field expansion is priority as soon as the earth isn't frozen.

>>22517792
Seconding this. Strengthening bonds with Hrunti will also help with the hunt.
But as soon as the earth thaws, get to expanding the fields.
I'll go ahead and say that at least 7 people drown during the ice fishing.
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>>22517842
If we expand the fields a shit ton then maybe our food situation will stabilize.
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>>22517792
thirded. Might as well.
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>>22517792
You're down a substantial number of working adults, Ref. Elders and children don't contribute, but still eat. Further, your fields have been FUCKED for some time now. Farming's essential to sustain a larger population. You see now though why early societies progressed so slowly? They were very, very focused on just keeping everyone fed!

>>22517747
It's an idea. Maybe an accurate one. Maybe not accurate. Keep in mind Ermetha and Marnath said Groza 'no longer needs' faith.

Honestly, I'm really looking forward to when you guys look into it. It's an interesting topic!

>>22517744
That's mostly the effect of the low food. Low morale does not ALWAYS mean a chance of rebellion, by the way. It just means that people are more susceptible to psychological attacks and the tribe has a less stable emotional base.


Now then, it's currently 3AM here in England. I think that's PLENTY late enough for me, given the late nights I have been having lately. We'll continue this next week then! The next thread is on Tuesday, at 1600EST. I look forward to seeing you all there and wish you a good weekend. Have fun and stay safe! I might be able to answer one or two questions, if you're fast...
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>>22517876
Yea, I think so as well... Hunting, fishing and foraging just isn't a secure source of food... we should dedicate the next year to get our farming up to a good level.

But I'm a little torn right now. If we don't expand the fields now, in winter, then we might miss out on some planting come spring. But it would probably take us twice or three times as long, than if we did it in the spring.
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Britfag, I have a question. Just how well do our facilities provide for the village? I mean this in terms of the cow herd, the birds, and the fields. If we were left just to them and none failed (due to drought or the current grain problem), would we starve to death?
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If anybody wants to strategize for next time, well, the chat is up and we're looking into it a bit.
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>>22517959
Understandable, have a good night britfag. Also, just because I'm annoyed doesn't mean I am not enjoying myself. I enjoyed myself thoroughly and you did a good job. I'm annoyed at our shitty situation, not you.
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>>22517959
Question:
Why do you hate us so much?

Nah, but it's gonna be a bitch to wait for tuesday now... ugh.

Anyways, hope you (all) have a good night and weekend. See you on Tuesday.
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>>22517986
I want to strategize. We need to think of our obligations and immediate problems. I see these three:

The Food Situation.
The Lion Tribe.
Providing "Something Special" For The Spay Folk.

Sending Gerin can wait until these are handled.

As for the Food as soon as we have a harvest priest the crop will stop failing, and if we expand the field it should provide up with a stable food base. We should focus less on hunting and more on making things we can harvest from passively, this is like capturing rabbits and hogs.

I say we use the deer pen for boars, get enough pigs in there and let them graze on the grass and shit. The pen is huge we made it sturdy as fuck. I think boars will provide more for us than deer. Also those unused trellises can be filled with some kind of rodent, rabbits, rats, or guinea pigs. I don't really care.

The Lion Tribe, we need to send workers with a gift of food and help to rebuild their village. If they throw us out then so be it, but I don't think they will say no to the food. We need to establish relations with them.

Finally the something special has beens tarted with the grey cloaks. At worst we give them bear pelt and the boar pelts we have (I assume we skinned the fuckers) along with the deer we have been hunting and the smaller animals. We have a large variety now since we stopped killing deer. At best they go out and kill some mythical beast which provides something crazy, like troll skin and a manticore head (hopefully britfag takes pity).


Beyond that we need to prepare a payment to the Earth Splitters to recompense them.
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>>22518096
Sounds good to me. We should also see about aquring fruit trees or more fruit bushes (I think we planted some of them in our village back in the day) for building orchards and passive gathering.
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>>22517975
Taken together, the grain and vegetable fields would yield, barring any mishap, 138 units of food every harvest. One unit of food is the amount sufficient to feed 10 people, for one month. Supplementation is more or less essential at this stage and expansion of your fields is necessary to provide more.

I will admit this is partially my fault. I am trying to pull this system together before it all falls apart under its weight. My cock-up a few months back with the population system really screwed the pooch badly for you guys...

>>22518043
S-stupid! I don't hate you! I just d-don't want you all to have it too easy!
M-maybe I could ease up... Just a bit...
B-baka...
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>>22518161
Or at least section of the ones that are there. We know they are less than a day's walking distance away, but we should endeavor to make it more organized.
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>>22518169
>S-stupid! I don't hate you! I just d-don't want you all to have it too easy!
I love you Brit.
Totally homo.
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>>22518169
>>22517975
I forgot to mention... The chicke- *BLAM!* Heresy! ROCK WOBBLERS are growing at an insane rate! There's somewhere between five and six score of the little sods now, though no-one can catch them to count them all! They do provide eggs, though no-one's had the idea to eat them yet. I think I mathfailed to account for them and never tried again... I probably should, huh!

Milk's much the same. You currently have 2 bulls and 4 heifers, with 3 more juvenile females and one juvenile male. That's not a lot of milk and frankly, slaughtering them when you have this few is out of the question!
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>>22518253
Eat the BIRDS. The eggs are getting scoffed. Fuck I'm tired. See you all Tuesday
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>>22518169
Ok, so we can feed 1380 people for one month, or just over 100 people for a year on the harvest.

THAT'S SO SHITTY! OUR FIELDS SUCK! Hopefully if we expand we can bring that up to at least 240 units. Then a third of our food would be based around the harvest. Then we can simply increase that again each year, or whenever we have extra time. Britfag, would you mind keeping us informed on how many units we are producing? I know this is getting on the technical side, but if the system is that complicated we need to know so we can gauge it.

Also, Doesn't want us to have it easy he says, we're all gonna die horribly!

Ok, if we add in the birds and cows?
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>>22518096
Yeah, I'm with you on this Ref.

And expanding the farms and improving what we have for a year would be an excellent idea. Since we've spent little to not time doing either of those things, I don't think its too far fetched to say that we couldn't be entirely self sufficient with a years work. And even if we aren't, hell, any good sized increase would be magnificent compared to now.
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>>22518253
Well, we aren't idiots. if we get hungry enough eating birds will probably get done whether we want to or not.

So Boars+Cows+Chickens = ~how many food units per turn?
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>>22518253
I goofed again. EIGHT heifers, not four. Gods...
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>>22518314
Yeah, we're way more advanced in terms of science and military technology than we should we. We are lacking in god lore and agriculture infrastructure.

I say this next year we spend increasing our god lore and expanding our infrastructure. That should help us a lot.
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>>22518326
Go sleep please... heh. Or come join the chat.
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>>22518326
Ok cool, so that is a total of 14 cattle. That's actually pretty good. 120 chickens is a lot, we should be able to hit critical number soon where eating them becomes more efficient than eggs.

I say we capture hogs when we have the time, first we can probably get 5-6, if we do it 2-3 times we'll have a sizable sty. All in favor of converting the deer pen into a pig pen say I! (also we can feed them our scraps, they'll eat all the rinds and stuff we don't want to.
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>>22518374
i'll second this too.
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>>22518374
Yea, if 40000 people manage to get by with only pigs and mushrooms in the russian metro, we should be able to as well.



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