>Previous thread >>22663639You make a point leaving in view of the goblins, supposedly heading north for reinforcements. Disguising yourself with the alter self spell, you start gaining altitude. You are limited in your ability to climb, as you need to keep the goblin in view, but the weather is clear and you can make out the chieftain's bodyheat as he makes his way through undergrowth to the presumed meeting spot. Your sister has presumably come up with something for him to do that involves leaving her supervision. Nearly four kilometres up, you are immensely difficult to spot. A few scattered clouds make your progress slightly more difficult than it needs to be, but you manage to keep track of the goblin up until the pointhe stops on the edge of a small, open space.After nearly an hour of circling, you see a glint of sliver in the distance. You had picked this form specifically for it's ability to blend into the sky. It does not, however, disguise bodyheat, so you withdraw to a safe distance. The silver shows no sign of seeing you, so you position yourself between the meeting site and the sword rock and start gaining altitude.
After several minutes the meeting between the two ends - at least, you assume it does, you can't make out the goblin any more from your increasing height. The silver takes off, heading towards the sword rock. You continue to gain altitude, slowly moving in behind it. At almost nine kilometres above the hills, the air is so thin it's almost hard to breath. It's not easy to keep it up, but you need as much sky between you and her as possible to minimise you chances of detection. The silver hasn't bothered to gain anywhere near as much altitude, which is fortunate as she could probably outperform you in that one area.A short distance from the sword, she casts invisibility on herself. You immediately do the same and begin to dive. Your sister is hiding nearby, out of sight, but able to get a good look at the caves. The kobold is lying in wait in the bushes outside the main cave. Some hasty work on his part has created a mockup of a red dragon, sleeping with its wings covering it's body. It wouldn't convince anyone for a second, but you've managed to enchant it with a simple illusion to make it somewhat convincing. A further application of prestidigitation has warmed the dummy to the point that it seems like it might be alive. It won't convince her if she's actually seen a red, but it should be enough to get her to waste a use of her breath. The kobold has orders to go for the eyes if at all possible.You race down to get a good look at the sword rock, hopefully before she can reach it. A series of footprint begin to emerge in the gravel beneath the rock. She's climbing up towards the cave entrance.
>>22680277Does the post continue?
No, this is for any last minute additions to the plan. Otherwise, roll 3d20.
Rolled 6, 2, 6 = 14>>22680315Seems like we can't do anything else but try to get the drop on her.TIAMAT PLS
>>22680323You. I like you.
>>22680339>>22680342>>22680368Low is generally good?
>>22680323Praise the Dark Lady!
>>22680381Yeah, Low is good for this quest.We practically NEVER get good rolls.SHE'S HERE
>>22680381In this quest, so far it was.
>>22680277She's going in as a humanoid ?She's warded, so do not waste our breath, dive driectly to her.Can we cast silence on ourself to prevent her from hearing our diving ?Anyway, full buffing, protection from good, shield, mage armor, haste and displacement, etc.>She's climbing up towards the cave entrance.It doesn't sound like she's going to use her breath. She'll see the ruse with a close look, right ?Can we signal the others to attack before she understands that it's a trap ?
And another 2d20 (low, as always).
Rolled 17, 15 = 32>>22680431DARK LADY HELP OUR SOULS
Rolled 8, 12 = 20>>22680445our souls are damned.
OP can we take this thread's reroll and use this one? It would be sad to waste the combo.
>>22680452derp, meant this.
>>22680445Well that could have gone better. Here's hoping it will not undo our upper hand from before completely.
>>22680466We have one reroll per thread. I doubt we're going to fight anything more dangerous than an older dragon of the greater family in a while, so this might be the time.
>>22680445It was... It was probably a roll for the silver. Probably. Right? We just rolled so well for ourselves with that 3d20!tell me that roll was the silver botching and not us/tg/ dice pls
>>22680459I don't think >>22680445 deserves a reroll after the good rolls just before.Let's wait for when we roll a 20 at a critical moment.That makes me think, OP : do you use criticals, or is rolling a 20 not much worse than a 19 ?Let's just hope that 17 wasn't the kobold firing into melee.
>>22680510Alright, I guess.We had such a good combo, though. Fucking /tg/ dice.
>>22680497Or our sister, perhaps we can rid ourselves of two competitors today!Oh joy we might get to loot two hoards today!
>>22680497As far as I understand it, when he says low is good, it means it's good for us. So if we roll low for our actions, it's good for us, and if we roll high for the opponent's action, it's bad for us.
>>22680533Mother would take sister's hoard faster than we can say "Booty".
>>22680533We won't kill our sister.
>>22680557here we go.
>>22680557No but with those rolls the silver might. Which is not our plan per se, but we need to make the best out of whatever happens.>>22680555Ah I was under the impression that she had moved out already, well then it would be wise not to let her die just yet.
>>22680569That guy in your pic looks pretty cool.But I'd say we don't put the sister on our short list just yet unless she starts threatening us. If nothing else, she might be helpful vs our mom.
The footprints slowly climb the gravel leading up to the cave before stopping as she enters. You now dropped your disguise as a blue while invisible, preferring the experience you have with your own form. Several long seconds pass. She doesn't seem to have fallen for your mockup.The footprints reappear at the edge of the cave. Your kobold has orders for such a scenario and fires at the approximate location a dragons body should be. The bolt strikes true, you see the effects of her staggering as it magic starts to eat away at her. Her invisibility fails and she starts to slide down the gravel. Unfortunately, she manages to fight off it's effects, immediately turning to the bushes the kobold is concealed in and unleashing her breath. The kobold should survive - you had given him a scroll of protection from cold in case of this. Casting your own protection from cold, you begin to dive. Hopefully your sister won't be far behind or you will find yourself a little outmatched.
You swoop across the cliff face, hoping to hit her with your breath. She glances in your direction and leaps back into the cave; the wind racing across your winds must have warned her something was coming. You breath catches her, though nowhere near as well as you could have hoped for. With a set of still smouldering burns across her face and upper neck she leaps out of the cave, racing towards you. Normally you would have thought that a silver would be able to catch you, their affinity for the air compensating for your greater strength. In this case, she seems to be struggling to keep up with you, presumably she's still feeling the after effects of the bolt of slaying. Daring to look back, you catch a glimpse of her chest. The bolt still protrudes from her primary pectoral. That would explain why she's having difficulty. The bolt might not have killed, though it look like a very close run thing, but it has sapped much of the strength from her wing.A streak of fire emerges from thin air and your sister appears. Her breath manages to catch the silver squarely, but the silver manages to twist to avoid her face getting burned again. The fire has damaged her wings slightly, slowing her further. She pulls back, trying to cast some basic healing spells on her wings. You take the opportunity to cast see invisibility on yourself and your sister, so as to prevent any escape attempts.The silver turns towards you again, sizing both of you up. It's clear she thinks she can take the two of you on and win. She might even be able to do so, though she may be counting your kobold out.What now?
>>22680603I would assume our mother might keep tabs on us, just in case.As long as she's alive and aware that actively plotting against us is a bad idea, our sister alive is a greater resource than our sister dead. Besides, as long as she's aware that we're the boss, it doesn't matter what pretensions of independence she has, she (and her hoard) is effectively ours.
>>22680714touch of idiocy. No tactical thinking or spells for you!
>>22680714She can't see us now and she's trying to heal her wings, this is the perfect time to catch her in a pincer attack and knock her into the rubble.As always, make sure to buff yourself first with whatever we've got.
>>22680790We... We have that?Wait, she has spell resistance. Don't do that.
>>22680714Hope the kobold will use this small pause to shoot another bolt. I'm a bit greedy, so a normal one would be better, just to distract her momentarily and give us a chance to attack.Nothing else to do than that.Try to synchronize our attacks with our sister, for example let one of us expose itself to bait the silver into attacking and giving a chance for the other to strike.As soon as we both can, breathe simulatenously from two directions.
>>22680714Wings fucked up, mobility shot, severe pain. Not bad. Harry her further and pounce upon her. Aim for backbreaking by way of weight and force, and if we can't manage that, rip a wing free of its socket.
>>22680790SR and she has mental stats to spare. Also, she probably won't be able to cast spells once we get in touch range.
>>22680854This. Ground her, and she'll have a harder time getting away.
>>22680854One of us should fight the head while the other fights the limbs.
>>22680868She doesn't look like she wants to get away.Go for the throat.
>>22680896She'll realize she's outmatched eventually. It's two dragons to one, for Tiamat's sake.
>>22680929>She'll realize she's outmatched eventuallyShe'll have one or two dragons on her at that time, and be heavily wounded.
So what are the tactics? Go for the throat? The wings? Keep your distance and use your breath?
>>22680991Wings! Babby steps, gents.
>>22680991wings then breath
>>22680991Go for wings
>>22680991Wings with breath, she too hurt to be able to dodge them effectively in the air.
Rolled 3, 19 = 22>>22681039The time for Tiamat's intervention is nigh
>>22681046Is that an awesome failure or failed awesome?
>>22681046Well, we had worse.
Rolled 15, 4 = 19>>22681039C'mon...
>>22681058I assume first roll is for us, second is for our sister.Have yet to hear anything from our Kobold though.
>>22681090Wait, then that means that our sister did better than us, IMPOSSIBLE
>>22680991One for the wings, the other for the throat, then if it doesn't work breathe point-blank.If the combat seems like it'll last, try to alternate attacks and feints from both of us so that the silver hesitate which to respond to.If possible, try to expose the silver to the kobold bolts. If we can immobilize its head for a few seconds, he can aim for the eye.
>>22681090I think it's attack and defense for us.
>>22681126Took me a while, i was thinking these two rolls.>>22681046>>22681081I.am.a.moron.
Quit it with the meta. Better think of how to bring the silver to our side, if you so desire - or what to do after she has been dealt with.What were her intentions anyway? Does she have a grand plan of her own, or is she just messing around and ridding the terrain of "evil reds"?
Rolled 15, 14 = 29>>22681176Bring her to our side? I thought we were killing her and stealing her hoard?
>>22681196Damn it. I didn't mean to roll, pls disreguard.
>>22681210Yes. please do.
>>22681176Don't know, don't care. She was a nuisance to our sister. Sister helped us remove a similar nuisance. Now we remove hers. We care little for the metallic-chromatic rivalry.>>22681196Some people think it is a good idea. I find it foolish. Perhaps later we may find flexible metallics who will make useful allies, but we will not make an ally out of this silver.
>>22681176OP said silvers are wannabe crusaders of justice, especially when it comes to interfering with other dragons, so it must mean that pride got the best of her. She certainly fell for the trap without bringing anyone else.As for trying to bring silver for our side? That's easy. After she's been captured or defeated, we leave sister her part of the horde and then seize the dragon for ourselves, crippling her so she can't escape us. Then we start the long process of indocrination, at first promising to keep her hoard intact and once we've made progress slowly letting her restore her limbs. Once she's a 'red' (crying lenin) there'll be no need to keep her hoard separate and we'll just assimilate it.
>>22681196Yes, that would be probably the most prudent course of action.Having a nice metallic dragon lady for our adolescent needs might be a pleasant turn of events though.Her parting with her hoard or at least significant portion of it in favour of our sister would have to be part of the deal, though, along with her oath of fealty. Which is unlikely to happen so we're probably just ending up killing her.Unless she ends up beating the two of us. Let's hope it won't come to that.
>>22681244Corrupting the paladin into a blackguard? I like.
>>22681244We could also, use the fact that we 'saved' a bunch of elves from a evil green.
>all these draconic waifufaggingjesus, neckbeards will always be neckbeards even when said necks are cold-blooded and scaley.Never change, /tg/.
>>22681300You know, as leverage, to makes us not seem like the smart evil bastard that we are.
>>22681308don't worry, there's no danger of that happening.
"Wings, you take her right," you shout to your sister. You had established long ago that when you order a specific direction, do the exact opposite, it helps keep the enemy confused.With a single hard flap you are both once more racing towards the silver. She responds in kind, though more cautiously when it comes to accelerating. You cast true strike in preparation and hear your sister do the same.A few second from impact, you start to see her brace for a sudden flap. She knows what you have in mind.You twist your wings hard, to bleed off speed. Your sister fails to notice her posture and continues, swooping across to attack her left wing. The sudden change in directions briefly confuses the silver, her breath failing to hit your sister as neatly as it should have. The protection spell prevents actual injury, but she still looks quite uncomfortable as the ice crystals cover her. The silver's wings flap hard and your sister missed her target. Claws flash out, catching your sister's hind leg and tearing into flesh.The sudden change of direction and her focus on your sister allows you to catch the silvers wings, though not hitting it as hard as you would have liked. You direct your breath at her, engulfing the front of her body in fire. digging your claws into the soft membrane of her wing, you beat your own once more. Though you have to be careful not to place your own wings within easy reach of the silver, you are able to drag her wing down and start bending it in ways her scream makes it clear it is not meant to.She flaps again, freeing her wing, though it causes her obvious pain to do so. Her right wing is barely functional. She can stay in the air, but she won't be outmaneuvering either of you.All three of you have levelled off again. The silver is looking at lot less self confident, though your sister may have some difficulty if this ends up being fought on the ground.What now?
I say kill the silver
>>22681244I'd prefer to kill this one. Lets get a minion younger, weaker and more impressionable than us.
>>22681321Good point. We might even come off as a reasonable sort of character, stating we were just paying a debt to our family.
>>22681308It's silly. We don't have any such pangs yet. If we can make her an asset somehow, fine, but I don't see any reliable way to go about it. Plus, this whole idea is a carbon copy of what killed the last dragon quest.
>>22681176>What were her intentions anyway?She's defending herself agains two reds who invaded her territory and planned to kill her.She may have a grand plan of her own but but if she does we're a side story in regards to it.I'd like to take her as a minion, but I don't know how to accomplish that.If we kill her, we must find her hoard.After that, I want to try to convince our sister to give up on this shitty place and these shitty servants and come live next to us and help us to rule over valuable people.Tell her about our plans for an empire.With the both of us, we can accomplish more, and faster, than the sum of what we could do separately. We need her help to kill older dragons. She needs our help to know when and how to strike, and also to deal with humanoids.
>>22681244Sorry, but that too clique for my tastes. Kill her and sell the body part for profit leaving the dragon alive is just asking trouble (especially the thread itself).
>>22681250Considering she's powerful enough to threaten both of us at the same time, keeping her around seems like a very bad move.Also if we want to bring people on to our side, we should probably do it in a way that doesn't involve beating them half to death. We're not playing Pokemon here.
>>22681329Make another pass. Only one wing to go, if this one drops we'll have aerial superiority which means she's pretty much done for.
>>22681346Minus the clingy devil.
>>22681329keep up the attack
>>22681321>>22681343On the contrary, it will make us look like a smart evil bastard who prefers domination to wanton destruction.
>>22681375Alright, I'll concede for the sake of the thread. But one day, anon. One day, we'll have our lair solidly planted, and we will make malevolent, perverted plots.SOON
>>22681387I now really want to go and read the last dragon quest, how many threads and are they all archived?
>>22681418I don't see why we can't just use polymorphed kobolds for that.
Rolled 2>>22681432 better dead than in bed with red
Rolled 14>>22681432The Dark Lady will guide us to victory!Also Kobold when
>>22681432Is low good or bad?
>>22681375>sell the body part for profit That's distasteful. It might be a silver and an enemy, it's still a dragon. I refuse to sell parts of its body to humanoids. It's degrading for all dragonkind, including us.
>>22681424Fifty something, and yes, though I think the first one is only on foolz.
>>22681444>>22681464Christ, it's a good thing I'm a slow typer.
>>22681464Thank god you're a late roller.
>>22681466I'm inclined to agree. We already did this to the bronze, though, haven't we?Besides, dragons often eat dragons. It's a draconic thing to do. We're not warcraft dragons.
Rolled 7>>22681329I think a like taunting is in order get. Her off her game, provoke her into attacking and making a mistake. "Your scales and skull make a fine addition to the others silvers" Or something like that.
>>22681525We are not THAT cartoonish... are we?
>>22681535I don't believe we are, and that taunt is a bit silly.
>>22681502>We already did this to the bronze, though, haven't we?No, we put the body in the freezer.I wanted to eat the useless parts, and keep the rest in our hoard. But people were squeamish about cannibalism. I think it's a dignified end for a dragon.I'd like to keep the skeleton of every dragon we kill.
>>22681535We can pretend to be went it serves us to do so. But no skulls are other body remains are such a bad taste, we could be saying it to get her to do something reckless.
>>22681599"when you need to bite, bite, don't talk"
>>22681587Ugh, next you will ask a throne out of skull or the swords of our enemies. Gold and gems make better decorations than broken steel and bone.
>>22681587When we have our lair set up, I think we should set aside a spot outside to display the bodies. We can tie them to a frame so it looks like they've been crucified.
>>22681658That might have us come off as a Dragonslayer, something we certainly don't want to come off as. Better give our kin the respect they deserve.
>>22681653Let the reign of blood commence.
>>22681658Psht. That's like making a billboard saying "DURR DRAGUN HERE PLZ KILL KTHX"
>>22681709This. Such relics attract needless unwanted attention.Besides we seem like the kind of monarch that rules through respect and loyalty rather than such distasteful displays of violence.
>>22681653Okay, I guess I understand how keeping the bones is tasteless. Though I don't really think that gold and gems look good.But can we at least use their hides for rugs ?
>>22681742>not using their hides to forge magical armor for our elite henchmenYou lack imagination.
Looking at her right wing it's clear there's only a little more work to do before she's in serious trouble. You don't need to tell your sister to focus on it this time. The three of you begin your attack runs. The cold determination on the silver's face contrasting with the gleeful bloodlust on your sister's and your own.Seconds before you strike, the silver casts a spell. For a moment you wonder what she just did when you realise, she turned invisible. The amused glee at the thought of her surprise when you show you can still see her almost makes you miss the chance to cast true strike.Your sister actually does get distracted enough that she misses the chance. The silver twists mid air, turning her limping flight into a lunge and managed to close her jaws around your sister's tail. At this point, you slam into the silvers wing. The pain of the impact forces her to let go and she blasts your sister with freezing breath. She seems to have the sense to try and finish off the one that's already injured before taking you on at least. The blast of cold is enough to overcome your sister's protections and you see ice crystals rapidly forming on your sister's supercooled scales.Your claws dig into the soft wing tissue once more. The frenzied battle has been invigorating enough that your breath has already recovered and you blast her with it again. She tries to pull her wing away, but the pain is too much this time. You pull back, keeping your wings carefully out of reach, before using them as an airbrake. The sudden change in momentum catches the silver by surprise and you feel the wrist joint of her wing snap.She screams in agonised rage as she plummets towards the ground. Your enraged sister diving after her and releasing her breath at the crippled silver. She eventually casts featherfall, slowing her descent enough to avoid death. With a frantic look around, she sprints for the cave, hoping to force you to engage on more even terms.What Now?
>>22681742More seriously, though I am reluctant to sell the remains of our draconic enemies, I'm too greedy not to make use of them, to fashion weapons and armor and magic items.As long as we keep them in our hoard, and only loan them to our champions, it's not too disrespectful, right ?After all we're chaotic.
>>22681475We should look for a skilled taxidermist, having the stuffed corpses of worthy foes would make for a fine addition to our growing hoard
>>22681783>not using their hides to create a Masterwork Scale Golemyou lack dorfness.
>>22681658>>22681742>Though I don't really think that gold and gems look good.OK honey, you are officially ban from making any decisions concerning fashion and interior decoration.
>>22681786Dive down to stop her and finish the job.
>>22681786Smoke her path to the cave with a breath while diving, if she tries to power through she'll likely suffer enough to be defeated on the spot.Meanwhile, have sister close in to make passes at her from above.
>>22681797Our sister is chaotic. We've shown nothing but lawful behaviour so far.
>>22681801>Chuck Testa!Personally, I think scale-carpets, or elaborate and decadent clothing for any courtiers or high-ranking minions we chose to keep would be neat.
>>22681786I say let our sister make the last effort to kill the silver. Do we have to do everything ourselves? But of course we support her from a safe distance.
>>22681834THIS HOLY FUCK>>22681786Quick, cut her off. In the cave, we'll lose our advantage in mobility! And where's that damn kobold with the crossbow!
>>22681829It's tacky. The only good way to use gold for decoration is to use it as part of bigger sculpture. The main element should be stone. Crowns and jewels and golden furniture just lack class.
>>22681786Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that cave tiny as in we could probably engulf the entire ting with our fire breath? If so I'd say we let her run inside and then when there is nowhere for her to escape we simply bake her inside with our breath.
Continue the attack.Roll 3d20.
>>22681865>>22681801Can you imagine an evil overlord who stores stuffed corpses of slain adventurers in his treasury room?Pls stop it. Recycle the valuable scales if need be, even though I don't think dragons generally like the sight of a dragon scale armor any more than humans like sight of a human skin purses, but enough of this foolishness.
Rolled 2, 2, 1 = 5>>22681921>3d20oh Tiamat...
>>22681935YES NO ONE ELSE ROLL
>>22681864Chaotic does not mean dumb, and intelligent does not mean lawful.What I meant is that we don't really care for traditions and propriety.
>>22681951Do we break our word?
>>22681935PRAISE THE LADY
>>22681935It's funny how we rolled consistently bad for the bronze, and almost consistently well for this one.
>>22681972Silvers are the natural rivals of reds. And also more dangerous.Tiamat approves.
>>22681935THIS IS A MESSAGESHE IS THE ONE WE MUST HUMILIATEIT IS TIAMAT'S WILL
>>22681959We would if we saw an advantage from doing so, all things considered.
>>22681308I loved the original DQ. Even Silver quest was pretty awesome. But then.. Waifus. Waifus and incipient waifus everything. Daughters. Jesus fuck what the goddamned hell.
>>22682001Chaotic or neutral. There are more intricacies, of course, but value of personal honor/word is a decent litmus.
>>22681913Only because you can't afford such things.
>>22682011/tg/ - Troubadours with gonads?
>>22681927>Can you imagine an evil overlord who stores stuffed corpses of slain adventurers in his treasury room?Yes. Yes, I can.Our glorious trophy room!
>>22682049Personally I'd rather just send bards after sister and scry on the results.
>>22682036I can't afford pic related, and I find it beautiful.I would find it much less beautiful if it was made from gold. Bronze would be fine though.
>>22682011For the record the slaved gold was nice because of what she was; Gold on top of gold a piece of our treasure nothing else. But yes the waifu wars were terrible and should be avoid.
>>22682077That sounds considerably tamer than my idea of having paladins go on half-naked pilgrimage to what they thought was a shrine of Pelor
Rolled 18, 5, 2 = 25>>22682060A hunter.From darkest whiles.Makes you feel.Just like a child.I fucking loved the Jumanji rhyming introductions.
Okay, I know.We should keep the heads of our victims, then find a talented sculptor to make their likeness in the relevant metal.That way we can keep a memento of them in our lair, without keeping actual corpses around.
>>22682011Honestly I think the OP of the original dragon quest got annoyed when it became clear that we didn't give a damn about the overarching plot. We just wanted to be a badass dragon emperor.
>>22682090only one waifu here and she's more of a concept than a being.
>>22682120WHY. WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING.
>>22681959We have not broken our word so far, and we have treated our servants well. >>22682001 may have a point, but I don't believe we would or should break our word except in dire circumstances. Nor does it seem we're careless enough to make promises that bring about such circumstances.>>22682030Maybe. I believe we will become more and more Lawful as time goes on, considering our desire to create an empire.>>22681829>>22681913>>22682036>>22682085Why not have both? It's a big hoard, and arts are a tasteful investment that others can more readily behold and be envious of. Plus, we have lordship to worry about in addition to material wealth.
>>22682157Shh, OP's already writing the post. We have our Tiamat-blessed roll.
>>22682120But that doesn't rhyme...
>>22682181Maybe it was just while. Thus rhyming with child.>Sorry about the rolls
>>22682177Very true. My apologies, tripfag. My jimmies usually get the best of me.>CAPTCHA: success ailabiVTiamat's favor shines on us!
>>22682085>>22681913Now I was not saying that everything had to be gold, stone(especially marble) can be quite beautiful. My argument was against bones and dead bodies.
If we don't do a barrel roll in midair, juggle several boulders, puke lava on the dragon, have our kobold reappear as a Paragon of Tiamat and nail the silver with bolts thanks to those rolls, I will rage.
I think our hoard-goal should be to acquire the worlds largest ruby and carve a life-size statue of ourself out of it.
>>22682175>I believe we will become more and more Lawful as time goes on, considering our desire to create an empire.I don't think there's a need. Of course, the empire can be a lawful entity and the leader not so much. I'd rather be Alexander than Augustus.But even the organization of the empire can be based less on law and punishments and more on cooperation, and incentives, and emulated heroism, and on the feeling of building something grander.
>>22682257You. I like you.>>22682284That seems like the red thing to do.
>>22682293This I can very much agree upon.
>>22682284>a life-size statue of ourselfYou forget that we'll keep growing for all of our very long life.
>>22682339Details.It'll be like a portrait.
>>22682339So. Humans have statues and paintings made of them all the time, and they still grow and change appearance.
>>22682293Can't have an empire without law. The law itself can deteriorate, but without it we won't be able of controlling more than few communities of minions who will worship our person alone. As our dominion grows, it will have to rely much less on our claws and breath, and more on its own strength and our cunning.And, of course, kobold stormtroopers in adamantite exoskeletons.
>>22682339we'll just cast enlarge on it when we jump up a size category.
There's only one possible location the silver could be headed for: the cave. She can take cover from aerial attack there and force you to fight her one at a time.She has to get there first.Your sister makes another pass, setting the terrain surrounding the silver ablaze. Your target soon clears the burning land, only for you to add your own breath to the conflagration. She continues to rush towards the cave, almost within reach of the kobolds crossbow by this point. Your sister releases her breath once more and this time tackles the silver, knocking both of them to the ground in a heap of blood, flames and smouldering flesh. You could just leave her to finish it, but your too involved in this to leave the fun part to your sister and dive in too, adding your own breath.When the flames clear, your sister has her jaws around the silver's throat. The silver is not done yet though. She digs her claws into your sister's already wounded thigh, eliciting a pain snarl. At this point you crash into the silver with as much force as you're willing to risk. The blow tears the silver's claws from you sister and you begin mauling her. You add your own jaws lower down the silver's neck, grip with you forepaws and start kicking with your back legs. The silver tries to pull you off, her claws digging painfully deep into your neck, but your hind legs soon gain purchase and you feel flesh start to tear.
Between being choked by your sister and disemboweled by yourself, the silver is finished. You can't see her face, but from the way she stops trying to fight back and starts desperately trying to free herself, you can tell she knows it too.In less than a minute, the silver stops moving. You release your grip on her and check. She is indeed dead. Your sister lets go and examines the corpse."We did it," she sounds as if she's having a hard time believing it."I never doubted we would." You didn't even have to get the kobold to waste a second bolt on it."Easy for you to say, you weren't the one she paid attention to." she has a fair point, so you let it go."Well, I believe that is the end of the matter. I suppose this is the point at which I wish you farewell, sister.""Yes, yes." She seems more interested in examining the dead silver.Do yo wish to depart, or is there anything here you want to do first?
>>22682427Nah not really
>>22682402We do not wish our subjects to rise and challenge us. We want them to look up to us for guidance. We want them to believe that we're the best thing that could have happened to them.
>>22682427We could try and keep tabs on each other, never know when we would need her help again and vice versa.
>>22682427Will she have trouble locating the hoard?
>>22682473Hey, some challenging keeps things interesting.And if we're too genre savy, it gets boring.Let's be feared and worshiped, old testament style.
>>22682495Seconding. A sibling who can lend us a hand is an amazing resource. Potentially doubles the amount of power we can bring to bear in a pinch.Sure, we have to be polite and respect her, but that seems perfectly acceptable, and she'd have to do the same.
>>22682427Would devouring the silver's heart be horribly inappropriate?
>>22682427Speak with our kobold aide. This would have gone much worse if not for his unerring aim with that first shot. Commendation is in order; he should be the next to join our order of heroes, as a marksman. Even with the addition of a slaying bolt, he placed his bolt perfectly by aiming for the pectoral.
>>22682427Casually tell her to keep her goblins mindful, we would like start a few trade routs,
>>22682427I think it would be fun to go with sister and tell the goblin that we knew he was working for the silver.
>>22682427I suggest we meat here every few years an exchange of gifts and some talk
>>22682427Take the kommando on our back as we fly home. He's performed admirably.
>>22682427Do a "well, what is it?" gesture to the dead silver, spin 360 degrees and then take off. We have a goblin to visit, he might know the location of her hoard.
>>22682504Probably, they tend to be difficult to find by design.>>22682528Anyone else want to try and convince your sister to agree to help each other out with major problems?
>>22682559Sure. Taking a page out of another chromatic's book never hurts. Bonding with the family never hurt anyone.
>>22682559If anything would convince her such an arrangement was a good idea, it would be this. We won't have a better chance.
>>22682427Well I already said it, I want to keep our sister.See >>22681371. The wounds she got, even with us finding out about the goblins' betrayal, and making a reasonably good plan on how to face her, and expending some of our own ressources...We need each other. Especially if we're to face the angry relatives/allies of the dragons we just killed later.
>>22682588Yeah, I doubt we need a roll for this considering all the times we've rolled a 1 with her.Right, OP? Right?
>>22682559She'll have figured out by herself that the goblin that lied to you is the one to extract information - and, after that, intestines - from."As you can see, sister, our power grows when combined. Make sure to remember it when another challenger appears."
>>22682620'Me and you go well together, if we help each other like this, we could have an empire that stretches from my lair to yours.'This sound good?
>>22682559>Anyone else want to try and convince your sister to agree to help each other out with major problems?Let's try to convince her to help each other more often than that. Help her find the hoard, tell her to bring it to the island. We'll find her some actually good servants.I do think we need to be close to one another for a few months at least, until we've investigated and we're sure that no older dragon is coming for justice.
>>22682596Sell it gently, toss in some flattery for our [beautiful/tough/deadly] sister, maybe offer to help her find the silver's hoard, or what have you. This'll be great. I like the idea of annual (or whatever) meetings for chats and exchanging gifts, its, A, a chance to show off, (we an afford to give X gift,) B, a chance to be friendly with a peer/friend, C, gives us an ally to call on in need, and D, gives all the same benefits to her, and a long-term interest on both our parts not to mess with the other. After all, if we don't, we get to keep an ally and receive gifts on a regular basis!I've already voted, though.
Does our sister have a name yet?
>>22682674That's not enough. If we're hundreds of miles apart, it won't be easy to defend one another when necessity suddenly arises, and I want a continent-wide empire.We should lair close by one another. Much easier to defend, much easier to attack from.
>>22682730make that the last thing we ask"...Whats your name sis?"
>>22682780It's a day's flight away, not that far.
>>22682802No, it could be too awkward to ask now.
>>22682821>day'sHave no clue why i put an apostrophe in there.
>>22682730>>22682802I had an idea for a pair of names, for the two of us. A palindrome. Anyone want to read about it again ?
>>22682836You have no clue why you made a sentence gramatically correct? gee
>>22682780I feel that unless we're, uh, otherwise involved that's liable to trigger our territoriality.But yeah, there certainly is great potential in cooperation, and she probably sees it. (I'm against obvious sells like that, because she might find it insulting.)
>>22682852Which OP has banned with our sister. Several times.
>>22682821No, we can fly 160 miles a day, and I think her lair is in the hills at the southern end of the mountain range, so 1500 km away from ours.But even a day is a long time in an emergency.
>>22682847It is?God i'm bad at English.
>>22682888I'm with OP on this one. I'm not against courting a metallic elsewhere though. It could provide good balance to our kingdom. Subjects could fear and respect us and love and adore our mate.
>>22682888Actually he only said one time that dragons have a taboo against incest. Well, humans too...>>22682852I personally have nothing against incest but, I think we can share a territory as friendly associates just as well, as long as there is a good flow of wealth and blood between our claws.
>>22682918Good idea. Make them go all SAVE THE QUEEN inside the walls, while meanwhile the battlefields are all about riding into battle with Wyvern Knights and death, blood and destruction raining down against those who would oppose the Holy Tiamatist Empire
>>22682918They could fear and respect and love and adore us.Like a scaly napoleon.
>>22682888>>22682918Wasn't suggesting it, just forwarding a possible flaw. (Also, I sort of dropped in today, haven't read through everything.)A metallic is fine too. Might make for good bragging rights.
>>22682942Really, dragons have more reason to not give a fuck than other creatures, especially if you're going by the stuff that says they can internally control whether or not to conceive.I also happen to believe (but can't cite) that brother-sister incest is the safest type, at least among humans. Lots of nobility has practiced it, I think.If OP doesn't want it, that's certainly understandable. It shouldn't matter anyway, unless we want to go full Crusader-Kings II with dragons.
>>22682918I'm fine with that.
>>22683019>that brother-sister incest is the safest type, at least among humans. Lots of nobility has practiced it, I think.Have you ever seen the shape of King Tut's skull?Brother/Sister and other inside the nuclear family versions of incest are horribad. First Cousin incest generally takes 5+ generations to start to fall below the bell curve. Brother/sister starts to produce substandard progeny in the first or second generation.King Tut was 4th gen brother/sister, and it's why he looked like a fucking space alien and had all sorts of congenital defects.
>>22683019http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_SpainBut that's not a problem if it doesn't repeat itself for several generations, and especially since weak wyrmlings aren't really catered to in a dragon family.>we want to go full Crusader-Kings II with dragons.Why not ?But I'm satisfied with a non-sexual association, as long as it's close, and we're more than just occasional allies.
>>22683118I meant better than cross-tier on the family tree. Brother-sister being safer than father-daughter or something along those lines.I could be completely wrong, though. Wouldn't put rule it out.
>>22683019Brother sister is pretty damn bad actually, up there with parent-child.You're pretty much guaranteed to have 50% of the genetic material of your parent, and anywhere between 0 and 100% of your sibling, could theoretically be fairly safe, but on average it's as bad as with a parent.And using nobility as an example of it being safe, well let's just say pic related (note this was a painter trying to not get his head chopped off so it's safe to assume he was even worse ...)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain
>>22683174Parent child is guaranteed 50% commonality, brother sister is like 37.5 average commonality.First cousins is like 12.5% average commonalitySo yes, it is MARGINALLY less risky. But still blind hillbilly tier.
>>22683204Point of order, that was after the von Hapsburgs had been inbreeding with various nobility across Europe for five hundred years first.>>22683259Certainly. Let's avoid blind-hillbilly offspring..
OP are you with us?
>>22683259Technically, if we are semi identical twins its arguably worse. But that's pretty unlikely.
>>22683299If he doesn't like it, he might have been avoiding us while we derailed onto various forms of incest. Or just writing.
>>22683299He's writing a long post.I hope it will involve sister being convinced to continue a close association.
>>22683259Thing is, I'm pretty damn sure consanguinity doesn't work like it should in a fantasy world, much less fantasy races, but I guess we need the word of god in this case.
>>22683204>>22683118The Ptolemies did a lot of sibling incest and after several generations, Cleopatra came out relatively fine.
The battle was hard fought and although you won, it was only because of the help from your sister. She is no doubt keenly aware of how close see came to dying. As you're unlikely to get a better chance, you decide to try and make your arrangement permanent."You realise that this was only possible because we were working together, yes?"She rolls her eyes. "I know you helped Considerably. You don't need to remind me, I'm not about to forget.""Not quite what I meant. This battle would have been fatally one sided for either of us alone. But as we were working together, we prevailed."She turns to face you. "And you want to maintain such an arrangement?"You nod. "Indeed. It would only be done rarely, for battles such as this, but it could prove a major asset should either of us find ourselves outmatched."She stares at you for a few moments. "I suppose we could. It's worked well so far. Though I don't want to see you asking me for help with every pest that emerges."You scoff at this. "Do I look like a blue? No I would only ask for your assistance in the most dire of circumstances and I expect you to do the same."She nods. "We have a deal then. We both help each other out, if things get serious enough."You let a small grin show. "Excellent. Now, I believe you have some goblins to chastise."She grins at this. "Oh I have not forgotten them. But they aren't going anywhere.""I didn't think you would. One last thing to consider, we should maintain at least semi-regular contact for the near future in case any relatives," you glance at the dead silver, "come investigating."She glances at the silver. "You have a point there. I don't suppose your pet wizard put put something together? I'm not flying north every week.""I'll have him come up with something. out of curiosity, have you decided on a proper name yet?"Her eyes sparkle with satisfaction, as if she's been waiting for you to ask. "Yes, I have. You may call me Korinthkras."
>>22683319No, we're fraternal twins, just as different as other siblings.
Your kobold is busy examining the few belongings you brought with you when you approach him. He sees you and immediately kowtows."Great One, your scrolls and treasure ready to leave, I am checking to ensure they are secure.""Excellent, Yiknik, we will be departing within the hour. Aside from that, you may consider yourself among my most worthy servants."He blinks in surprise at this. "Lord?""You faced down a dragon on my orders. You didn't attempt to flee or hesitate and, thanks to the gifts I had presented you, you were able to wound it. Your loyalty and courage are an example for kobolds everywhere."Your little servant looks like he is about to burst into tears of joy at this. "T-Thank you, Great One. I will always be your faithful servant."You can't help but chuckle slightly in satisfaction at the last part. "I don't doubt it."---With the silver dead and your agreement with Korinthkras secured, you have no reason to stay. The morning after the silver's death, you finally head home. The flight is a little more tedious than you remember, but it's tempered by the satisfaction of knowing that your own lair waits for you, full of *your* treasure and *your* servants. The day soon passes and before long you find yourself gliding down to the cliff face you now live in.Your kobolds cheer as you appear, and after a quick discussion of events Yiknik is hailed as a hero for going with you on your journey. They don't know the whole story and never will. As far as they are concerned, this was a test of loyalty for him and he passed with flying colours. No need to tell them you need a kobolds help to survive a fight with another dragon.You have your own lair, a respectable hoard and several hundred servants. You bask in the small enchanted fire that has been built into an alcove in the back of your lair. Surrounded by that which is undeniably yours, you finally feel like a proper dragon.
>>22683319Brother sister can range from 97.8% commonality to 0%. But average comes to 37.5%
In your absence, your trade company has managed to acquire thirty eight lizardmen, with a roughly even gender split. They have also bought up a decent portion of the docks, using their own funds.You now have 20,000gp in currency and gems, 28,000gp in items, a village of 153 elves (11 are children) and a nascent cult of 16 members among the elves. You also have a small lair containing 160 kobolds, a trading company with around 80 employees, 50 spies and traders (there's little practical difference) on the mainland and 50 lizardfolk slaves.---That's all for tonight, next week's update will be at the same time (2100-2200 gmt, friday 25th).Any comments or criticisms are welcome.
>>22683400>No I would only ask for your assistance in the most dire of circumstances and I expect you to do the same."I am quite disappointed.
>>22683446I love this quest OP. You do a great job at writing.
Anyone archiving this?
>>22683400>>22683413Hopefully we can adjust that up into annual or every-other-year meetings or something, as recommended above. I think it would be useful to stay on friendly terms, trade gossip, and otherwise interact regularly (though admittedly not too regularly.)If we do go full-kingdom, she'd make a great vassal.>>22683446>comments or criticismPersonally, I enjoy character interaction. Dialogue like talking to our sister or our minions I find most enjoyable.
>>22683535I agree, the OP handles the dynamics well. I only hope we get to have some more extended talk with our enemies instead of what we've been doing so far, which is basically "rawr I kill you"
>>22682131I thought it was more when we spent entire threads on our 'daughter'.
>>22683446Great as always, love it
>>22683446n00b here. What are we acquiring the lizardfolk for?>>22682780And where are we on that map?
>>22683636Could be.My assumption was that it just got large enough and had enough (loud) people with different preferences that no matter what happened, the apparent majority was always upset.It's been a while though.
>>22683673The lizardfolk are being acquired simply because you can (as far as I can tell).< A recent map of the area you live in. located in the central eastern peninsular of the continental map
>>22683673A better question; Why would we not be acquiring Lizardmen?
>>22683729Point. They're ace minion material for dragons. Worshipful like kobolds, but stronger and more combat-capable. Maybe we can get some glorious species-blind civilization going under our benevolent overlordship.Or we can just use them as sword-fodder. Really, no matter what we do with them, it'd be hard for them not to be useful.
>>22683719Are we already mature adult? (I assume that's what the R-MA stands for?)
>>22683673My personal plan is to interbreed with them so we can get flying lizardmen. If we can't do that, they will make good minions.
>>22683535>>22683580OP writes well, but he handles most of the dialogue. We usually only give the general direction and he writes in. I guess it is because the rythm of these threads is slow. It took three updates, about 30 minutes apart each, to do the fight, and one more, one hour later, to reach the discussion with our sister.As such, we can't really interact in a discussion. We can't tell what to say according to the reaction of the other characters during the conversation. We set the direction and watch it happen.I enjoy it regardless, but I prefer macromanaging, as it involves the players more in the format of this quest.While we're talking about it, I think we should start ruling the island officially. Our first acts (once we have fought those who want to fight should be to free the lizardfolk, then call for negociations between humans and sahuagins.
>>22683805We are the red dot, and we're Juvenile and going to stay that way for at least 24 years.this is going to be a long quest unless OP handles timeskips well
>>22683805No, that's Goltyrsyx, your mother. You are on the small island southeast of her.Also, an even more recent map, without the bronze on it.
>>22683809>My personal plan is to interbreed with themThat's my plan for all of our subjects.
>>22683809Obviously this is up to OP, but IIRC, in D&D and Pathfinder, the halfdragon template only gives wings to large or larger creatures. Though half-draogn lizardfolk would definitely be pushing the limit, I think they're still usually 'medium' and bereft of wings.Glorious halfdragon minions that we don't have to worry about breath-weapon friendly-fire would be nice.>>22683828As long as OP is open to at least some input, I'm okay. I meant I actually enjoyed reading the dialogue and stuff. Gives better feel for the characters and their personalities.
>>22683849Jesus, that YA Gold has a hell of a lair under him. Those are like six cities/towns. We're going to have to take care of moralfag island right there somewhere in the future.
Next thread we should focus on getting our base built up, also a few precautions in place for vengeful dragon relatives, also Dragon Hunters we'll be seeing a lot more after the bronze went missing and our activity becomes more noticed in the area
>>22683856A noble goal.>>22683849Can it be assumed that the other R-MA is the old man? And where is our sister, relative to this? (Just off the edge of the map?)>>22683889Ideally, that's the kind of thing being on good terms with our sister will keep us safe from.
>>22683904Nah, our mom had a much bigger mate, she probably would still be lording over him had it been her equal in age.No, our old man is a Great Wyrm, if I remember correctly. Our mom aims big.
>>22683904>Can it be assumed that the other R-MA is the old man?No, our father is a wyrm from another plane.>And where is our sister, relative to this? (Just off the edge of the map?)I think she's very far away, at the other end of the mountain range.It's gonna make it a bitch to help each other if relatives of our victims actually come, even if we call every week.
>>22683904Your father is a wyrm from the north, last you heard he was off plane, but that was a decade ago and you haven't really bothered to stay up to date.<The approximate locations of you and your sister's lairs.
>>22683963Question about the map, OP. Are those black spots the only cities/large cities in the world? It looks kinda empty.
>>22683719I find that the reasons for lizardman acquisition is manifold. One, they will mesh well with our kobolds, and maybe even the elves. Two, they are hardy servants of varied size, temperament and skillset. Three, in taking them into our service, we are emancipating them from outright slavery, an undeniably benevolent if also partially selfishly motivated act, which will be useful to give pause to any metallic do-gooders or dickass adventurers who seek to besmirch us. Four, more servants is never a bad thing, especially loyal ones.>>22683784That's definitely what I hope for this quest's direction. Seems like it could be fun.>>22683809>>22683878Some lizardfolk can push up into Large size class, so they'll probably make up a small, elite guard.>>22683889>>22683904The problem with Golds is that they have not merely a dynastic hierarchy like Blues, but are outright united as a race. If we mess with one, we mess with them all. It's worrisome, I'm not sure how we'll usurp them all. Plus... ??? is probably a bleeding wyrm.
>>22683980 Those are the ones you saw in your extremely cursory exploration of the continent. You stuck to major landmarks, so that's where the cities are known to be.>Meaning more will show up as required.
>>22683963>Your father is a wyrm from the northI wonder if he slept with a great number of the adult females of the continent, or if our mom was special.
>>22684028Well he doesn't seem like the settling down type
>>22683939>>22683962>>22683963Thank you immensely.>>22683939From what I recall of the 3e draconomicon, younger dragons tend to set their sights on older ones, as with dragons, more age tends to equal more power, wealth, and knowledge, all of which is considered equivalent to sex appeal.So yeah, sounds like our mother managed to land a hell of a catch.
>>22683981>The problem with Golds is that they have not merely a dynastic hierarchy like Blues, but are outright united as a race.According to the draconomicon, silvers are organised in clans, and they'll help each other.Sister might have a bad surprise someday.
I think we should build a village of Lizardmen in the swamps, train them in magic too, the will be much better suited for it then koboldsspeaking of which we should build an underground city of Kobolds
>>22684217>much better suited than koboldsKobolds are usually pretty bright. Lizardmen are usually average at best, or dim at worst.I move for trying to get them integrated with all our other doods.If we do end up sleeping around with our humanoids, we should make sure that the ones we choose to 'honor' with our attention are suitably elevated in status. Both to make our humanoids object to it a bit less and to make sure that we don't get any vengeful descendants trying to end us.
Just wondering, do reds need to breed with reds to get offspring or can we mate with any type of dragon? If only reds with reds, our population is highly endangered. We need to increase the number of dragons in our world before we die out.
>>22684361I do believe the last thing your average red dragon would want is to have more red dragons in their vicinity. Unless they want to bang.
>>22684442True but look at how many potential mates we have. Three. Three mates, without knowing their genders and if they would be willing.
>>22684361The continental/world map only shows the known heavyweights. There are plenty of younger dragons around.
>>22684513>>22684361The world's probably larger than shown.also, the feeilng I was getting from those maps was that they're zoomed out and showing only notable dragons. If you look at the zoomed-in one showing our lair and compare it to the overall map, it looks much more populous than that section of the world map would lead you to suspect.>>22684361Unless OP wants to declare, I'm assuming we're using D&D dragons, in which case, yeah, we can bang anything, though the result tends to look like its mother's lineage physically.
>>22683981>a dynastic hierarchy like BluesBlues work like that? That's interesting can you tell me more?
>>22684831They tend to keep to family units. If you're a blue, barring exceptional circumstances, your mother loves you, and a territory tends to be ruled by a Suzerain who is effectively boss. Subordinates are supposed to show up and get his/her blessing when doing things like mating, treaties, or external political machinations, though how much of that actually happens, or is just rubber-stamping if it does, tends to vary. One might be loathed but too strong to oust, one might be a ineffectual puppet, one might be powerful and relatively beloved.One of the nice aspects is that it gives them some fallback, and some protection from their 'unity'. On the other hand, they can be felled by internal strife and intriuge.Going off of memory here, so I could be varying degrees of wrong.
>>22683828>I think we should start ruling the island officially.On how to do it...>[the island]'s mostly run by whoever has enough money and armed men to make the other groups with money and armed men follow them. Right now there is a cold war between two groups of pirates who operate out of the main town.Is there a mercenary guild ? Send one of the elves, an intelligent and faithful one, to the main town with Garran. Give them enough money to buy a house suitable for Garran's needs, and to buy half of all armed of town. Garran is not necessary for this, he can come back after choosing the place, but I think he could use a laboratory in town, and our elf only needs that house for a few days. Have them make a public announcement calling for recruits for a really good wage, but in limited numbers.Pay the volunteers (don't mind the expense, we'll get it back as long as they spend it in the island), and tell them to establish a camp out of town. Tell them their employer will meet them there.The elf should come with them. Once there, he will announce that they're working for a dragon, that happens to be the new ruler of these lands. He will explain that the dragon doesn't really need their help, but that if they honor their employment contract, no one will have to be killed.Then we appear in person.And walk back into town with them, asking for surrender. Secure the port, allow no one to flee on ships.Call for a meeting of the leaders of the town, and the two pirate lords (they can send someone to represent them) in the morning, and offer a free round of ale to all the inhabitants (except our soldiers).We'll expose our proposal to them then. (cont)
>>22685115In exchange for not burning everything we askFor a regional council to be formed, composed of one representative per village of the island, one representative of each faction that came to this meeting, one representative of each corporation, and us.For the regional council to rule over the island, and we will rule over the council.For the population of the island to organize in corporations, by activity (farmers, craftsmen, seafarers, dockworkers, merchants, doctors teachers and students, civil servants, service workers, mercenaries). These corporations will be run democratically, each member having one voice, and will gather every three or six months, according to necessity. Membership is mandatory, non-members will not be allowed to exercis in the relevant activity. Registration is automatic for three months (except among mercenaries), but we will have the authority to set the number of members at a later date according to the needs of the island. The corporations will have the duty to support their members and encourage cooperation between them. The corporation of the mercenaries will be limited to the number of them that finds itself in our employment at sundown today.For every faction at this table to renounce to employ mercenaries.For the biggest building of this town to be assigned to the council and ourself.For annual taxes to be levied accordingly to each inhabitant's means.For slavery to be banned.
>>22684085Also Silver dragons are infatuated with non-dragon races, immensely so with humans and elves. It's not unconcievable for her to have had towns or hell, cities under her protection. She might have even had an adventurer as a lover! So many things can go wrong with that. (It's good news if we're looking for a silver mate though, it would make the whole 'Queen Figurehead' an amazing idea
>>22685163>looking for a silver mateWe are?
>>22685115>>22685126I think its an okay plan but it's not my style. I'd prefer to start smaller and build up our powerbase first. Start by infiltrating all of the smaller villages. Inevitably, one of them will have some sort of problem. We solve this problem and gain control of the village. Then we repeat the pattern slowly gaining footholds and covert control of several of the villages. In essence, I would like to start from the outside and work our way in, rather than attempt to take over the heart. Also not keen on banning slavery.
>>22685191I thought we were just going to impregnate a whole lot of horses and make an army of redneck half-dragons.
>>22685126Use the elf to announce all this.Let them discuss for a while, listen without saying anything, then when they start to understand their position, dismiss them. Except the pirates' representatives, if there is one or two. Tell them that we are aware that they could flee, and are willing to negociate some better terms (within reason) to convince them to continue operating from this island, like tax exemption. Take advantage of their division, to avoid giving away too much.Keep our recruitment bureau open for the day. Those who are not on our list by the end of the day will be disarmed by the others, and told to find a productive job.Send the others to keep the peace in town and prevent any mass escape by sea.Gather the freed lizardfolk, find them a place to stay. Have them informed that they'll be allowed to build a village for themselves on the island, if they so choose, or to continue living among humans, working on the docks or whatever else, but for a pay and in decent conditions. Revenge for their servitude is disallowed.Our relationship with our trading company will be kept secret. They'll lose some money over the freed slaves, but if we treat it differently publicly, all our human agents will learn who we are, and maybe up to the lord of Coloth.I guess that's all. If our agents on the continent found a bard willing to work for us, we could use him to be our voice in all this.
>>22685191I think so yeah. Frankly I have a preference for young, weaker than us. and malleable.As for race, I have a preference list, and white is at the bottom rather emphatically.
>>22685253Still dislike the cut off the head approach, and the slave freeing.>>22685246I thought we weren't going to do that. On account of Ewww.
>>22685200Agreed. Slaves are fine, except when they're inconvenient for us. Just like everything.Though your plan looks like it will make this Black and White, the quest. (Except we play as a dragon.)Showing up to both pirate leaders too might work; and securing their individual support for this. After all, we could side with one or the other, but if they both agree to side with us, that's a sort of balance-of-power that prevents either one from being eliminated.We should be wary of someone showing up after we reveal that we exist, though. Adventurer, slayer, other dragons, whatever.>>22685272Black and copper should be tied right above that. Brass shortly above that. And green probably narrowly above that. Bronze/gold/silver are okay, as are blue, (though inlaws may affect that.)
>>22684737>>22684748Yeah, less powerful dragons aren't on the big map. Here is a zoom on the center of the continent.
>>22685200Why not banning slavery ? It will give us thankful servants, and won't really cut into the overall productivity of the island.Infiltrating would take too long, and there's no real need for taking our time. It'll only give opponents the time to fight back. It would also be a pain to try and solve people's problem while masking our involvement as a dragon. And if we don't mask it, people from areas we don't rule will call for dragonslayers and help them. Let's just show up, eliminate every idea of rebellion, and start solving problems from an easier position.
>>22685412We can emancipate people at will; who will argue with a dragon?But we might want slaves of our own eventually.
>>22685272>>22685246I'm okay with producing offspring with almost everything, except dragons of other elemental backgrounds. That will only create freaks.As for taking a mate without producing offspring, I'm only okay with reds, silvers and maybe golds. The rest are ugly.
>>22685412Because your plan will either involve us winning really quickly or having to burn everything. I'd prefer to take the time to build up support first. So what if we have to spend a year to conquer an entire island. As for why we don't ban slavery, It can be a useful thing at times.
>>22685479See I'd like to produce such hybrids. And I'm not okay with mating with animals. Its demeaning.
>>22685439>But we might want slaves of our own eventually.Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking that the ban would apply to us.But I'd argue that slaves isn't the correct term for us. We can tell people that aren't slaves to work on things we want anyway. We can even throw money at them and get it back by taxes.So there's no real sense in having "slaves".Besides, we already have kobolds who ask for nothing more than doing hard work for our benefit.
>>22685479Blues are pretty sweet.
>>22685557I think that declaring "No slaves" and then eventually making clear the corollary "Except for us, but it's okay because I'm not calling them that." would be less well received.Plus it might alienate the pirates, if any of them are slavers.
>>22685544Not anymore than mating with humanoids.It's a human's mentality to see all animals qualitatively inferior to humans. Dragons see everyone on the same scale, with dragons at the top.>>22685498>having to burn everythingNo. No one will fight back. Why would they ? They've got most of their soldiers against them, and a fucking red dragon. They're not suicidal. Especially not the rich ones who lead the others.And even if they do put up a significant resistance, we can end it without burning everything. That's just an empty threat. We can delegate to mercenaries, kobolds, or do the job with our teeth.
>>22685617Agreed>>22685663We don't know how numerous the gangs are. We don't know how powerful they or their leaders are. Lets put some ducks in a row (and subvert a few of the lesser gangs) before we possibly piss of a den of pirates.
>>22685617We can't rule over people without creating some dissatisfaction. The pirates will have to deal with it, or sell their slaves on the continent - it's not like this island has a big market for them.>the corollary "Except for us, but it's okay because I'm not calling them that." would be less well receivedIt's been reasonably well-received for every powerful king. We won't even have to treat them like slaves. We'll just have to tell the relevant corporations to do something for us.
>>22685701>We don't know how numerous the gangs are.It won't be too hard to find out.>>22685701>We don't know how powerful they or their leaders are.Not powerful enough to fight off sahuagins, or to attack a medium green dragon.We'll have to piss them off eventually, better have it come as a surprise. They're not an actual danger. Even the sorceror-king of Temur can only cast third level spells.
>>22685728But I want to enslave our enemies. I find it amusing to make the children of human rulers who opposed us do menial labor for us.
>>22685663Disagreed. A dog is still more intelligent than a snail. Humans can at least speak.>>22685728The only reason to do it is to make us seem more benevolent, and I don't think it will work that well. We can always outlaw it at a later date if we feel like it, but it'd be more difficult to re-legalize it at a guess.>>22685741Pathfinder vs D&D. I always thought it was retarded that the D&D ones looked like that but were also described as being the vain ones.
>>22685741>>22685576I don't like either design...
>>22685816>The only reason to do it is to make us seem more benevolent, and I don't think it will work that well.Among the humans, it will not. But it's sure to work among lizardfolk.>it'd be more difficult to re-legalize it at a guess.I don't think we will need to. Kobolds are enough, and for the rest we can afford to pay and tax. Even if there's a war I don't really see the need - and then war prisonners can be used instead.
>>22685826Eh. They're both alright, imo, but the PF one is the one I could believe being 'vain'.
>>22685909We can just free whoever we want. We're the boss-man. There's no need to outlaw it solely on behalf of the lizardfolk.
>>22685926I think the humans will resent it more if we free only the lizardfolk.If all the slaves are lizardfolk, there's no difference.If some of them are humans, we will be showing undue favoritism. If we get a few humans grateful for their freedom in addition to lizardfolk, we can use them too.So we might as well make a general statement.
>>22685479Once we upgrade our pirate fleet with spelljamming helms.
>>22685985>I think the humans will resent it more if we free only the lizardfolk.I mean that there's a difference between "this new ruler made a law that doesn't affect us directly but that we don't approve" and "this new ruler cares about that species more than about us".
>>22685816>being the vain ones.Calling any dragon vain is redundant, that aside I always like Blue dragons for their lawful inclination and sense of order.
>>22685985No outlawing slavery. We may be enlightened evil, but we are evil.
>>22686033Right, I forgot about rare or planar dragons. Maybe some of them look good.
>>22686079I suggest a compromise. We will not outlaw slavery, but we should ensure that slaves are treated decently, if not as well as free men, and have full capability to buy their freedom through work. We'll remodel the law surrounding it to be a step or two below indentured servitude. And our own bought slaves? We shall emancipate them into proper servants. This arrangement will please most everyone, has little risk of besmirching our image or damaging our pride, and should be agreeable to both those amongst us who desire a path of evil and one of neutrality.
>>22686079>We may be enlightened evilRight, and I still don't see how the benefits of slavery outweight the benefits of having grateful ex-slaves around.
>>22686134>Dissing Bronze.I must respectfully disagree.
>>22686212We can have grateful ex-slaves around without outlawing it. Hell, they'd be more grateful; if we outlaw, it's a broad "Eh, this ain't allowed anymore." If we personally emancipate this group, it's a much more specific, "You owe your freedom to me."
>>22686206I'm not advocating thee ban on slavery out of moral concern (well, not primarily), though. I just want to be able to use ex-slaves if need arises, and leaving them as property of their masters prevents that.
>>22686248>triceratops-like crest 2/10 would not enslave>>22686277Since we're a personal ruler, it's about the same. And if they have any sense of kinship with the other slaves or the other lizardfolk, they'll be more satisfied with a full ban, instead of them being bought off and their friends remaining slaves.
>>22686324I don't like outlawing slavery because:1. I think its too much too soon. Creating deep changes in society should not be done overnight.2. I'd prefer to avoid upsetting the apple cart as much as possible until we have thoroughly suborned all centers of power. 3. I find the idea of using our enemies families as slaves/servants is amusing. The idea of making princesses do our laundry simply appeals to me.4. Almost all dragons don't actually give a shit about slavery5. Evil empire needs slavery.6. We are eventually going to want to enslave people. Because we are a dragon, their natural place is serving us.
>>22686410Sadly, in Pathfinder, all dragons look the same barring color.D&D has way better dragon design in general, but Pathfinder provides alternatives to a few of the sillier looking D&D ones. (coughcoughbluecough)
Would this be too far on the weird side?
>>226865031.Okay, but I wanted to make a significant reform very early, to mark our coming to power. Something that will be remembered.The other thing I could see to fit that bill would be to organize peace talks with the sahuagins, but we can't announce that at the meeting.Any other idea ?2. I agree, but I don't think the economy of this town is based on slavery. The rich will stay rich, the work will be done. Since our company bought a lot of the slave population recently, they will be the primary losers in this thing.3. I actually don't. Except for dragons. Humanoid princesses aren't worth more than the rest.4. Who cares about what other dragons think...5. I don't want to have an openly evil empire. Every empire is by definition evil, but I'd like it to avoid evil for evil's sake.6. Servants and slaves are different. We don't need slavery to make people obey.
>>22686793>1.Okay, but I wanted to make a significant reform very early, to mark our coming to power. Something that will be remembered.gay marriage?
>>22686833I'd prefer infrastructure upgrades.
>>22686937That will take time. We need a signifcant social change that doesn't actually change much to the economy.
>>22686960>abolishing slavery at a pirate haven>not changing the economypick one.
>>22686999No, really. Pirates don't use slaves, and the land people have little use for them except on the docks. Replacing them by low-wages workers will have little effect.It's not like we have an agriculture based on slavery. Is it ?Just tell the pirates to sell them on the continent.
>start reading 4e's Draconomicon because of interest in Dragons>Morally ambiguous metallics, even good are asshats>Neutral Metallics>Evil MetallicsMy neckbeard is bristling so hard now. Are they really pulling this "2edgy LOL" stuff?
>>22686793>Every empire is by definition evilWhat?Besides, we're an evil dragon, we're going to rule an evil empire, if we end up deciding an empire is what we want.>>22686937Getting some drydocks might be nice. More accommodating to shipping, and more conducive to trade. Suppose it depends on the local trees being of the right type, though.
>>22687065They take tons of slaves. Anyway, you aren't going to convince me, or the other people who disagreed with you. (If only because they've left)
>>22687203and if we outlaw slavery, they won't be bringing their delicious, profitable slaves through our ports on the way to market, and we won't be getting a tithe/tax/pick of the lot.
>>22687243Hey look, I was wrong about the people who disagreed with you all having left!
>>22687203Actually slaving tends one of the least profitable types of piracy as you need to feed, house, and guard them unlike other kinds of wealth.
>>22687332They only times slavery (as an economic industry) was big and profitable is when you have another industry that will pay high price for unskilled labor such as the plantations of the south or the mines of Athens.
>>22687332Citation needed, please.
>>22687332>>22687415The slaves aren't destined for our island; we have neither the population nor the interest. They're going somewhere else. However, if they stop at our island in transit, they become profit for us. If we make it illegal, people aren't going to be stopping by if they think we might emancipate their cargoes.
>>22687203They can take slaves as long as they don't sell them here.>>22687243Which they already very rarely do, since there's just no use for a big number of slaves on our island. Slaves markets will be on the continent, not all the way here.>>22687193>What?Starting a big number of wars to satisfy a personal ambition is evil. Would you say napoleon or alexander was good ?And we're not an evil dragon, we're a red dragon. We don't have to decide what we do in function of the usual alignment of our kind. That's going backwards for any character.
>>22687517>red dragon>not evilI have issue with that.At any rate, I don't seem to be convincing you and you ain't convincing me, (It still seems to be, "Let's do something good! Like outlaw slavery, yeah, that's good!") so I'm inclined to drop it at this point.
>>22687654It's not only for good, there's the advantage of making some people grateful to us early on.As for being evil... we are. See what we did to those metallics. But evil is not the goal or the motive of our actions. What's I'm arguing against is going "we're evil, so we'll do this because it's evil".
>>22687741Or "we're red, so we should be evil, so we should do this because it's evil".
>>22687741>>22687790I agree with you completely on that. Still want to keep slavery.
>>22687817Do you agree on the rest of the "meet the new boss" plan, even if we disagree on whther it should be the same as the old boss ?
>>22687989Not especially, but neither is there anything else particularly objectionable?An alternate plan that I'm not necessarily advocating, just tossing out here;Make known our presence. Let them see us, hear of us, whatever. Huge fuss, some people will probably flee, most will probably stick it out. (Especially since we haven't done anything yet than exist.)Some of the bolder ones- slayers, skeptics, whatever- come and investigate. We have a nice (intimidating, because I imagine seeing a dragon up close would have that effect on them,) chat with them, then 'decide' to head into town because they were kind enough to visit us.There we sell ourselves to two pirate leaders, metaphorically of course. After all, we can keep this place safe for them while they're away; we can make sure that any other pirates to show up know who's boss, and we can prevent some random navy from launching a punitive expedition against their base here. We could even probably spin it to them as their own idea, and let ourselves be 'brought around' to it; we would, of course, receive a nominal compensation for it.Then, over the next five years, decade at most, we insinuate ourselves into the island's government/society/rulership even moreso. They're ostensible leaders (with a dragon working for them, gasp!) but we're the most powerful entity, and we rule the island in their absence. Eventually, they'll find that we rule it even in their presence, and that's assuming they live that long; piracy isn't exactly a safe and healthy profession anyway.This has a much more gradual and vaguely-insidious takeover, rather than a coup. Gradually get everyone used to the fact that we're in charge, rather than just make it so. It also allows us some time to study the pirates at work, as well as the other entities on the island; we're a genius compared to them, sure, but it's not like we've lead a moderately successful life as a minor statesman or governor. Might learn a thing or two.
>>22688476>There we sell ourselves to two pirate leaders, metaphorically of course.I'm not sure they would be willing to buy, us being a red dragon. They might assume it's racketeering, or just some strange trap. If we're subtle enough to make them come and ask for our help, that won't be problem - but who would ask a red dragon for help ?>we insinuate ourselves into the island's governmentWon't people suspect the dragon to pull the strings ?>we're a genius compared to them, sure, but it's not like we've lead a moderately successful life as a minor statesman or governor. Might learn a thing or two.That's a good point. If we do the coup, we should let people conduct most of their affairs themselves while we observe and learn. If we don't, too. But in that case close observation will be more difficult.
>>22688829>But in that case close observation will be more difficult.We could send some of our elves to join the pirate crews and do the observation for us.