So apparently Mark Wells is going to stop being CEO and Tom Kirby will take over as acting CEO. Anybody heard more about this?
Ho boy. Enjoy your hobby being utterly ruined 40kids.
>>22680856This reminds me of the Star Wars prequels."Meesa propose we give CEO powers to meester Kirby."
>>22680945>implying it isn't already.
>>22683218"Thank you, Senator Wells. I promise that once our clusterfuck of company organization is figured out, I will step down from the CEO position."
>>22683266>a little while later"Mister Ward, I need you. Your ability to write crunch for army codexes are unbeatable. I will need your help if we are to repair Games Workshop."
>>22683317"What do you mean, Kirby?"
>>22683333"Our prices are increasing, but our profits are failing. The company needs you now more than ever."
In b4 >YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!
>>22680856I don't know if this is supposed to be a good or bad thing.
>>22683370"You know that the spess mahreen kids like the spas mahreens because they are good all-around rule wise, but shit with fluff.""Yes, I know""I suggest that you take over writing every codex so that it is crunchy, thus the kiddies will buy more."
>>22683464"The other writers will not sit still for this."
>>22683488"They are fearful of your talent. They know that they are no longer needed. You will succeed. There can only be one."
>>22683537"Jobs Management?""Yes?""We need to slim our company down a bit. Execute order... 66!"
>>22683582"You're fired, Phil Kelly."
>>22683624"Where in the fuck is Cruddace?"
>>22683370Hate to point out to all you armchair CEO's the actual truth here, but GW's profits are grew 8% this year.http://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/fightback-games-workshop-on-a-winner-as-profits-rise-8457217.html
>>22683679"WARD! What have you done! You've betrayed the fantastical silliness of 40k for MONEY?"
>>22683772"I have brought prosperity and new customers to my financial empire!"
>>22683793"YOUR financial Empire? New customers? You've alienated our customers with your shit writing! You've destroyed this company!"
>>22683820"You will not stop this company's progress. You will die!"
>>22683838*vrrrrrm* *ksshhh* *vrrrmvrrrm* *kshhhh*
>>22683873Your dialogue writing skills are flawless
>>22683925*vvvrrrrm* *kssssh* *vrmvrmvrmvakssssssssshhh!*
>>22683966"I got the high ground now!"
>>22683916It's like I'm really watching the movie.Now only 20 more minutes of swordfighting and lava surfing with no emotion or dialogue at all....
>>22683987"You underestimate me, fool!"
>>22683988This scene can't actually happen in the movie, can it?
>>22684009>It's like I'm really watching the movie.No. The plot is too coherent.
Oooh yeah. Threaten high, parry high, threaten low, parry low. Sching sching sching sching sching sching sching sching ad infinity.
>implying firing Cruddace would be a bad idea
>>22684039It does. There's multiples of it, actually.>>22684040I dunno, who's the bearded guy again? Why are we rooting for him?
>>22684079He's young Obi-Wan.
>>22684010"A TRUE SON OF ULTRAMAR NEVER BACKS DOOOOWN!"
>>22684117"Dammit Ward! You had talent! There was potential! But you goofed! Ya fucked up!"
>>22684079Bearded guy is Cruddace. Not really sure why should be cheering for him though.Personally I think have one writer per codex is a terrible idea. Let Ward write rules. Just don't let him write fluff.
>>22684153"I hate you!"
>>22684166Now i have no idea how they handle codex-writing, but why not have all of them cooperate on one? Wouldn't that let them easier brainstorm new unit ideas, fluff and rules easier, aswell as easier balancing?
>>22684189And then you get everyone agreeing with the dude who has shit rules, everyone trying to shoehorn in their own headcanon, and stupid unit ideas because only the people who are dumb would be willing to try to put one forward and get yelled at by the fans.
>>22684176"Goddam, man. He beat your ass good. Come on, I'll get you to a hospital."
>>22684215Never fucking change. you turned this from mediocire to amazing.
>>22683317uhm... isn't the plural of codex codices?
>>22684206That's not how development works.I've helped in brainstorming for a few games and it's better if you have people of all sorts because they have insight into things you lack.
>>22684090>>22684079That's fucking ridiculous.
>>22684275"You okay man? Can I get you an Advil or something?"
>>22684311"How's the fans? They like my rules? Where's the bags of cash?"
>>22684355Bracing for epic!
>>22684355"Ummm, yeeeah.... About that. It seems in your lust for competitive armies, you made the fluff shitty, and turned the fans away. They're all playing Warma-Hordes now."
>>22684411"No... no... They loved the rules! It's about the game, not the fluff! You're supposed to have fun with the figures...I...I..."
>>22684438"Then explain why I can't take my monthly money bath, you asshole!"
>>22684463Oh god I lost my shit
>>22684463"YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
>>22684505>DO NOT WANT.png
>>22684505>A little while later"Ya rang?"
>>22684560*mumbling*"Asshole nerfed my Tau"
>>22684602"The fuck am I looking at?""I call it..."
>>22684644...the Aristocrats!...Sorry, yeah, I'll just...be in the corner...
>>22684644"THE DEATH TESTICLE!""...""This way, we will destroy the other miniture tabletop companies so the fuckers will HAVE to buy from us!"
Well, wasn't exactly archive worthy, but I'd say it's definitely worth capping.
Now that we're done taking a trip through my mind, how about a /tg/-related Star Wars thread?
>>22684699>"THE DEATH TESTICLE!"
Anyone gonna cap this?
eh, the TORtanic one was funnier
>>22683772Fine creative work, but>Ward>betraying 40k's fantastical silliness...he's the one keeping that shit alive, hombre.
>>22685357Whats with you people and using more spanish words lately?
>>22685651Ich verstehe nicht. Welche Sprache sprichst du?
>>22684699>death testicleFucking not what I expected. I honestly expected "7th edition!"
>>22685717>>22685651>>22685516>>22685465>>22685440>>22685357So, what you're saying is... if it's not English, it's Spanish, right? Well, that or Moonrune.
Someone make sure this epic shit is archived!
Oh.... oh gods..... I....I think I'm just going to crawl into a hole now and not ever come out.
I recently found out that GW is publicly traded on the stock exchange.I say we chip in enough money to buy 10-25% of the company, just enough to veto the really stupid shit.GW Ceo: I hearby propose that we focus the companys effort on more CG-movies.FatGuyFund: Sorry Dave, I cant let you do this, not until you finally give the Dark Eldar a decent codex
>>22686814Tom Kirby owns 51%, and thus anything he says becomes law.
>>22686814$655.10 per share1,262,257 shares$206,726,140 for a quarter share in the company.
Archive this shit.Please?
>>22686909the company is worth 206 millions?I call bullshit
>>22686962A quarter share, he was saying. GW is worth 824 millions, apparently.
>>22686962no the company is worth 800 million.
>>22686962>A company with an unyielding customer base>Controls the largest, most popular wargaming brand>Has consistent enough updates to renew the brand>Have been forever expanding, implement new techniques to consolidate their marketYeah, that equals a 800 million dollar company.
>>22686962http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GAW.L#symbol=gaw.l;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;Unless I've fucked something up, it's worth ~800 million, although the price will go up if a takeover bid happens
>>22686993>Not as planned>CREEEEEDshit.there goes another brillant plan of mine.I always thought GW was some semiprofessional small-fry mom and pops shop.Shouldnt have judged them by the quality of their fluff artworks
>>22686993>>22687033>>22686991>>22686988>>22686982>>22686962I may have fucked something up actually, it might be worth $33,737,650,000
>>22687064What the hell???All they do is sell plastic crap and overpriced books.How come they are worth so much?Maybe Im not used to how UK and USA rate their companies, but here in Germany I remember that Linde once sold off its whole Gas departement for 5 billion, factories, workers, material and all.And GW is supposed to be worth 6 times that??
>>22687132A private sale might go lower, and in actual fact you only need half the company to 'own' it, but the other answer is I have no fucking clue. I'm just an Australian, alright.
>>22687064>$33,737,650,000That's, uh, a not inconsiderable proportion of ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD.So, yes, you've screwed up. I suspect you read the share price as pounds (or dollars, maybe) when it's actually in pence.
>>22687411Oh, and the actual answer appears to be about £8.4 million.
>>22687434So. If we kickstarter for "Make GW do not retarded shit", we could easily get £2.1 mil together. Fuck, Kingdom Death Monsters got about that, and that was just badly made shit and boobs.
>>22687478>trusting a horde of a company's customers to run that companyThis can only end well.
The shares that are publicly traded are worthless when it comes to control of the company. Pro-tip for those that don't know anything about the stock market, not all shares are equal and the ones that you can just up and buy are the shitty kind (if you want control of the company, that is.) They have to OFFER you the good kind. And they won't.
>>22687570Also, seriously you guys, customers obsessive enough to actually WANT control of the company running that company? Does this not feel like a horrible conflict of interests?
>>2268741133 billion isn't even 10% of what Apple is worth, it would STILL be small time.
>>22684166bearded guy is phill kelly
>>22687669Eh, for a company in such a tiny niche, 10% of Apple would be... impressive.
>>22684719'Now, Princess, you will give us the location of WotC, or we'll blow the fuck out of Heroscape.'
>>22688173>snarfs honey lemon tea all over screenFUCK
>>22688173'Hasbro... They're with Hasbro...''Seriously? Those Transformers guys? Ah ha ha.''...Gunner, you may fire when ready.'
Someone clever with descriptions please archive. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/requestinterface.html
>>22687570That's not what I was taught in high school. Without breaking this down into a class, essentially, there's two types of companies: Those that anyone can but shares in, and those that only those offered shares can buy in. Gee dub falls into the first category.
>>22688314*soundless due to vacuum*'Ah, god, that was fuckin' hilarious.'
>>22683733Didn't we have a whole thread just this morning about how this is kinda bullshit?They are manipulating the short term profits by cranking prices while losing customers left and right. The intention is to keep the company in the black in the short term to impress shareholders, while not giving any heed to the long-term sustainability of the company.What you're watching is Tom Kirby's retirement fund.Tom Kirby. The guy who said (slight paraphrasing) >"I don't understand nerds. I don't understand why some people buy our product. It must be some sort of mental illness. Nevertheless we must learn how to exploit this demographic"at a "No Politically Correct People Allowed" business meeting.Anyway, Warmachine! And Infinity! Hooray!
>>22688497'You promised we could keep that!''A neckbeard keeping a promise? You are far too trusting.'
>>22688553'Make for the Hasbro System. Once Magic is gone, they'll come flocking back to us!''What about Paizo?''Pie-who?'
>>22688419Some companies have voting and non-voting shares. They usually give the non-voting shares higher dividends and priority if they declare bankruptcy.
>>22688524>Didn't we have a whole thread just this morning about how this is kinda bullshit?You probably had a thread in which people said this and desperately wanted it to be right, yes.
>>22688696Im fairly shure that if the fatguy fund would hold 30-60% of the public shares, the company would have to listen to them, even without voting rights.Else we might decide to sell all the shares at once and thus send the value of the company plummeting.
>>22688960You are saying that it is wrong?Please elaborate. Because right now you lack a cohesive counterpoint.
>>22689026You say "we" like there would be some unified force. /tg/ can't even agree to disagree over 4e and 3.5
>>22689157As long as they can agree that the current CEO of GW is full of shit and should be trolled at every occasion, I dont see how this couldnt work
>>22689157It is hypothetically possible that we could agree on electing a 'guardian' so to speak. Someone who, while they may not have our own exact opinions, would still sheppard things towards the general will of /tg/ and who would be more creative than GW currently is. Since.... well... half of us really are more creative than that company currently is.
>>22689211Ok. Then how do you elect who is the guardian? Does everybody get an equal vote?
>>22689100There's no evidence that the company is 'losing customers left and right' and no evidence that Kirby is deliberately running the company into the ground.There is, on the other hand, plenty of motivation for people who WANT prices to be lower to believe that they SHOULD be lower.
>>22689299Im pretty sure there are laws concerning this that have to be followed.Im not an expert on international Banking and funds though.
>>22688314When wil they attack Battlefront and Privateer Press and the others?
>>22689211Better system would be everyone just buys personal shares and debate voting before the stockholder's meetings. People who couldn't go can then find someone on here to serve as their proxy
>>22689390That'll do it.
>>22689389They won't. Hasbro won't touch WW2 with an 11' pole. And PP wouldn't sell out to Hasbro.
>>22689390This could be hilarious.>company making decisions about which markets to focus on, storefronts and internet sales, licensing etc>suddenly half of /tg/ pipes up from the corner "make powerswords AP2!" and the other half starts arguing with them>nobody has a clue what they're talking about
>>22689549Then some idiot demands that they bring back the squats, whereupon Tom Kirby immediately starts to slowly levitate upwards, to perform the Bloodthirster summoning.
>>22689315>There's no evidence that the company is 'losing customers left and right' What? Yes there is. Look at their business reports. They sell less. And for less direct, more anecdotal evidence, look at literally any warhammer related thread on any forum. Look at the rising popularity of Warmachine. Sorry, Tom, but you're full of it.>and no evidence that Kirby is deliberately running the company into the ground.Sorry, Tom, you really are. Though, yeah, whether it's entirely deliberate and he's trying to gut the company for a retirement fund is mostly conspiracy theory mixed with that quote about how he doesn't respect his customers as human beings.>There is, on the other hand, plenty of motivation for people who WANT prices to be lower to believe that they SHOULD be lower.Logic is a powerful motivator.
this is the best thread of the year...and we're only in January.
>>22690455Imagine what is to come.
>>22690032Why are you so mad that the company is doing well, profitable, and has grown every year for nearly the last decade?You don't HAVE to buy their products you know.
>>22690032>Look at their business reports. They sell lessWhich ones are you referring to? The latest annual one seems to show them selling more. See http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/2012/07/31/tips-and-ideas/share-tips/tips-of-the-week/games-workshop-gears-up-for-growth-SwyoEjo3VmtMpAgiX9aQ7L/article.html>A raft of new product launches, not least a major revamp of its Citadel paints range, and the opening of further one man hobby centres including first stores in China and Poland, meant the business returned to volume growth last year.
>>22690591Keep sucking that GW dick.
>>22690776>GW is losing money>Here's a source that says they aren't>keep sucking that GW dick.looks like match point goes to>>22690591
>>22690547Not that anon, but people are mad because they want to buy the products and the prices keep going up. Seems they want to believe that this is economically unsustainable and that GW will get hit so bad at some point that they will be forced to lower prices or be bought out by some hypothetical 'nice' company or something.Personally I doubt it, but I can see that annual above-inflation price increases are pretty shitty.
>>22690822It's not even 'losing money'. The argument is that they're gaining money by increasing prices, but losing sales volume... which might be the case long-term, I can't find much online to confirm/deny it. But it certainly appears not to be the case for the past year.>>22690776I haven't given GW any money in at least 15 years.
I would archive this thread if I had any idea how to use tags on suptg, can anyone else do it for me? at least someone should screencap this.
>>22684071Ho! Ha ha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!
How to tell GW is losing sales:1. look at a GW financial report2. check how many % more they got than last year3. check the yearly price increase4. calculate the % increase across all products5. compare % of extra profits to % of price increase% of price increase will be > than % of extra profitsIf their amount of sales stayed the same the numbers would be equal.
This thread is Great.
>>22696762Why? Because a bunch of loud, whiny autists can make the same complaints they made three years ago and pretend to pass it off as witty or insightful commentary?
>>22696813QUIET. WE CAN'T HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS HERE. YOU MUST BE A GEEDUB AGENT, TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR CIRCLE-JERK.
Who wants to screencap this for future usage?
>>22689415I think he was referring to GW's Death Testicle, not Hasbro.And doesn't Hasbro own the company that makes Axis and Allies?
>>22683733>Raise prices 20%>Revenue increases 8%...in a year that saw a huge release for one of your games.Simple math:Price X Sales = Revenue.If Price = 1.2 previous amountAnd Revenue = 1.08 previous amountSales = 1.08/1.2 previous amount, or 90%.So in a year that saw the release of a new edition for WH40k, and a huge push for the Hobbit, sales were down 10%.That isn't healthy.
>>22697044When we take command of GW, we shall make them release three different lines of miniatures: - cheap ass plastics (1€/Figure or something)- midrange, better plastic (a little cheaper than today or same price)- highend (forgeworld or better quality, price: as high as ppl. are willing to pay)I think this is not complex enough to confuse customers, yet allows for an easier entry into tabletop gaming.
>>22697373I really wish they would make more customizable plastic figures or at least expand to make more unique plastic characters. For instance if they're so big on saying they are first and foremost a miniatures company why don't they make a line specifically for the RPGs?Really they should release and support a new skirmish game to try and bring in new customers. Something they could sell for cheap, maybe even outside hobby stores, that could get people more into the hobby. As it stands its very expensive to get started because you really need at least a 1500 point army to play. If they had a smaller scale game available so people could start with a smaller investment them grow their collection into a full army they would be able to bring in new people and give old fans an incentive to buy models outside of the armies they play.
>>22683218>>22683266>>22683317>>22683333>>22683370>>22683464>>22683488>>22683537>>22683582>>22683624>>22683679>>22683772>>22683793>>22683820>>22683838>>22683873>>22683925>>22683966>>22683987>>22683988>>22684010>>22684117>>22684153>>22684176>>22684215>>22684275>>22684311>>22684355>>22684411>>22684438>>22684463>>22684505>>22684560>>22684602>>22684644>>22684699What no screencap?
>>22697791They aren't going to support the RPGs with miniatures because they don't support the RPGs. Why would they make a range of models, incurring the cost of the molding process, to increase sales of a product they don't profit from? They profit from their IP deal with FFG, not from direct sales. >>22697373Who are you going to to get the investment capitol to create these new molds?
>>22697044Do you have a source for the 20% price raise? Conservative estimates put the overall price raise at less than 3%. That's a composite average, obviously the prices that increased increased more than that but consider how much of the range was left unchanged.
>>22697878>Implying they wouldn't make money off of selling the models.>Implying 40K players wouldn't also buy the models.
>>22697932But would they make enough money? I posit the answer is no - regardless of GW's own intonation that people buy models to buy models.Models need rules to sell - see Mandrakes, Flayed Ones, etc. Without a rule set to sell the models then they would flounder and not generate a profit. 40k players would possibly buy them but not in great numbers. RPG players might - if properly merchandised. That is to say not in GW retail stores and that leads to another point and that is GW is not going to release something its Marquee Stores cannot carry or sell.
>>2269800040k players will buy basically anything though and given the lack of variety in a lot of the armies any chance t throw in a different model would be a welcome change.Still I think they need both new models and a smaller scale game they actually support. Hell they could just buy out a fan made skirmish game and wouldn't even need to develop it.
>>22698097I don't disagree with a smaller entry requirement. That said I find the best option would be to return to the spontaneous purchase price point their starter sets initially occupied (around 60 dollars).I think the key is recruitment and I think the most effective way to recruit to lower the entry barrier so that Mom or Dad (as I believe youth is the proper target for GW) don't mind shelling out the entry cost. 60 dollars the same as video game and it can be easily spun that this 60 dollars is a much better investment than a video game.At this point you have a new customer - now its up to your retail employees to maximize this. Properly done this includes lots of kill team events and small point events. Once you've invested the customer and their purchasing habits die down then you can let them slide and move to home gaming, club gaming, etc.In the luxury goods industry its about divesting your customers of their highest potential in the shortest time possible. After this if they remain customers then its just icing.
>>22697924I remember reading somewhere that the price increase was 8% on average and revenue went up 5%... maybe it was previous year.
>>22698139That's what I had in mind. Self contained set that then allowed expansion.Something else that could help is better multimedia. A video game is a great idea but Space Marine, while kinda fun, wasn't exceptionally well executed and wasn't given enough publicity to really take off.
>>22698558I'd actually disagree - with high end luxury items you don't want to attract a customer base that cannot afford your end goal margin.You want to control your advertising to target the customer base with the money to buy your products.
>>22698610I don't know. They'd make money selling the IP so it's not like they're paying to advertise. And sometimes you're better off casting the nets and seeing what you can pull in.
>>22698610not really.First you want people to know your company, then you want them to like/buy your products.Its at least 20 times easier to get someone who has already bought from you to buy again, than to get someone who never bought anything to start buying.Thats why some Car companies sell their low-end products disproportionally cheap: people get hooked ans some buy the much more expensive premium products.Also the different miniature lines could be designed for different scenarios:Cheap models for 150 unit grand stategy games, premium line for 1-5 small-squad scenarius, like 3 Space marines fighting through an underhive.This would also encourage cusotmers to buy more from the cheap lines in one go.Maybe they could also offer acessoiries for it, like a plastic frame to attach 10-20 units at once, you would move squads and platoons instead of singe units.I am just playing Empire: Total War, thats where I got most of these ideas.
>>22699336That... actually sounds like a pretty awesome idea.Though I don't play 40k, due to lack of the money... Could potentially be convinced to give it a try if I could get a decent squad within my price range.And find a place in fucking Alaska that sells it. Or will ship to it without charging a ton for shipping.
>>22700628There are a few fan made skirmish systems. Killzone is one. Maybe some more anons know of some others.
>>22700628I just reread my post. It seems that I kept botching my orthography rolls.Good lord!>>22699336Another business model would be the good old "free lamp, overpriced fuel" scheme.You would get the basic figures very cheap, but would have to pay disproportionally for extras like vehicles, guns, retinue figures... That way everyone could play the game without paying too much money, and everyone who has money can play a pretty/detailed game.
Just found this info on the London Stock exchange:http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary.html?fourWayKey=GB0003718474GBGBXSSQ3
>>22697924>>22698172Problem is even the average price increase would still be unreliable- because you simply don't know which items they're selling more of. If they sell small amounts of items that went up a lot in price, and lots of ones that didn't change at all, then volume might well be higher.
>>22685440Is as if theres some group of millions of Spanish speakers all mixed up into an English speaking country somewhere. Like, speaking their language around their new neighbors and leaving bits of it behind in the local slang.but there couldnt really be a place like that.
If seen a lot of Tom Kirby hate in threads that mention him. Is there anything specific that he did or is this just haters hatin'?
>>22704023He reminds them of Jack Kirby
>>22704023I think people need a specific human target for their hate or it's just too unfocused to feel like proper hate. See also Ward.In reality Kirby's basically been in charge of the company since the late 80s, so chances are that when someone blames him for ruining their favourite hobby they're neglecting to mention that he also introduced them to their favourite hobby. Unless they're really aged or something.
>>22697801I`ve capped it!
this thread is fucking awesome, i greatly enjoyed it.
>>22704147>see Ward>Implying our Most Glorious Spiritual Swag Lord is hated.From the CruddexAnd the MonobuildMatthew Ward deliver us.
>>22705306Where ever I go, I must also bring joy.
>>22705279There's a few things in there that are flat out wrong. But still 9.5/10, laughed heartily and would share with friends.