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>>22932165
I'm also posting a couple maps, so you can point out regions of Australia shit should go easier.

I'm not -from- Australia, nor am I particularly experienced with geography, so this'll help me a TON.

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>>22932188
And here's climate.

I may adjust things a bit, shrink the desert some, etc. if more types need representation or habitats. It's not Pokemon games are all that consistent about geography compared to the real world anyway.

Also, PTA general, if you'd prefer.

>>22932165
Sandshrew. Rattata. Everything vaguely snake-shaped. Digglets. Those little fuckers that look like spiders with faces I can't remember them.

>>22932218
>Those little fuckers that look like spiders with faces I can't remember them.
Spinarak. Which are mandatory. Yeah, the place is KNOWN for deadly as fuck spiders, like I'm gonna leave those things out.

I'm also seriously tempted to stick the E4 on Ayers Rock. Pretty sure someone, somewhere, considers that some kind of blasphemy.

>>22932241
Skorupi and Drapion. Crogunk and Toxicroak.

>It's been a couple years. Sorry if I spelled them wrong.

>>22932241
Motherfuckin' Sharpedo

Put some Sharpedo in there.

And Mantine

>>22932265
Remoraid and Octillery, too. Devil Octopuses, dude.

I'll list the numbers because I'm looking at a list right now. 1, 4, 7 10, LOTS of 13, 18, 19, 23, 66, 84, 95, 98, 104, 111, 115, 123, 127, 133, 140. That's from Gen 1. I don't know the rest that well.

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>>22932218
>>22932259
>>22932265
>>22932287
All great ideas. And don't worry about misspellings. There's like five hundred of these fuckers, I can't remember most past the first generation.

I was also thinking of having loponny or whatever (they have that rabbit problem over there, right?) and wild totodiles.

Also, anybody know what sort of fossils should turn up?

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>>22932314
>133
Eevee? I dunno about having eevee show up in the wild. It's like some scientist's pet project for gene manipulation. I don't think it would survive the wild for long, given the sort of things it has to contend with.

Also, geodudes and zubats: Thoughts? Those things are -everywhere-. Don't they even show up in where-ever-the-fuck in Gen 5 after you beat the E4 or something?

>>22932473
Eevee because it's weird as hell and could be some kind of 'fuck me' introduced to the wildlife. Like cane toads, only they adapt to any environment ever and are routinely culled because they breed like rabbits on FATAL.

>Find list of poison types
>Add them all

>>22932489
Cubone, Marrowack (?), that kangaroo and the sheeps.

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>>22932487
>Weird as hell.
...So I should treat it like a platypus? Nature's little way of making scientists go "what is this I don't even"?

Another issue is knowing where to PUT all these things. Grass types spread across the north, ice to the south east, those are easy. Others... not so easy.

>>22932489
Not -all- of them, good god man. My initial draft of this list, before coming to /tg/ for advice, was like 1/3 poison, 1/3 water, 1/3 EVERYTHING ELSE.

I'm not sure whether Antidotes should be cheaper or more expensive. Everywhere should stock a shitload of them, but there's bound to be massive demand.

Don't forget Spinarak and Ariados.

>>22932566
Did you even read the OP or the thread?
>>22932165
/vp/, the pokemon board, might be of assistance.

Frillish/Tentacool.

I can see people telling stories of horrible ghost jellies that come out of the water to steal your kids away as a 'fuck the tourists' sort of thing.

But then in a pokemon world, that's pretty much might be Tuesday, ain't it?

Also: Sandile and its evolutions. Fucking adorable sand crocodiles.

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>>22932579
>/vp/ might be of assistance
Yeeeah, no. I checked it out. Half the threads are stupid crap. REALLY stupid. "Are these people high right now" stupid.

My faith, what little there is, remains with /tg/.

The main issue is really distribution. I checked over wikipedia and did google searches on various australian animals and where their habitats are, but that was a lot of reading with very little usable information.

I'm about to throw up my hands and say "Fuck all environmental facts, I'm putting a forest next to a desert!" I'm neither a geologist or a meteorologist, so it's a lot of effort for nothing. I still want to make at least a token effort to keep things plausible, though. (None of that "lava slug hotter than the sun" nonsense, either.)

>>22932634
Well, I'm only an armchair geologist, but I live in Australia, so there's that. In New South Wales, it basically goes coast->forests and shit->ENJOY YOUR MOUNTAINS AND SNOW AND SHIT->it'sfuckingsand.jpg.

>>22932634
It'll depend a lot on your group, of course, but I'd actually recommend not worrying about things all that much. Pokemon, don't gotta explain shit, etc., and restricting some things may make it hard for people who only want a team of their favorites/need pokemon with certain moves to qualify for class abilities.

>>22932634
Well, I went ahead and asked. I don't know how to refer to posts across boards, so I'll just drop the link.
>>>/vp/11187924

>>22932728
I guess it does it automatically. Cool.

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>>22932680
>Pokemon, don't gotta explain shit
Much as I love pokemon, I also love having worlds that are consistent and logical (at least according to in-universe logic) as possible. "Oddish lives in this cave because I say so" lacks any sort of justification, breaks immersion... It's very hard to compromise between the crazy illogical shit that is Pokemon (mach 2 birds of prey, onix weighing fuck all, etc.) with my personality that tries to find reason and coherence in everything. Still, I can let some shit slide with a handwave, just not too much.

As for my players, the two I have lined up right now couldn't give half a fuck what pokemon I let them have. One just wants to explore the world I present, taking events in stride and just immersing herself, which is why I want the world to avoid breaking immersion as much as possible.

The other one is leaning heavily in favor of being a Breeder with no particular favorites she's after. She's great at number crunching, keeping track of details and usually cares more about being appreciated as part of the play group than getting exactly what she wants. From what I can tell, part of why she likes Breeder is the fact she can get much more involved in the 'mon's development than hopping on a bike and riding in circles for an hour.

Besides, if any player has a particularly pokemon they really, REALLY want, that happens to not be native... I'll let them have it as a starter. So long as it isn't over powered, obviously. Not like you can find a wild charmander in R/B/FR/LG, so an 'exotic' starter meshes just fine.

>>22932755
I don't know what is hanging from that hat, but I feel it would look cooler if it was spiders.

>>22932769
Fair enough! Comment withdrawn.

anyway, let's see what else. For some reason, I can see Shellos being a thing on the coasts. Mandibuzz and Braviary and maybe Skarmory for bird types, and Sandshrew, of course.

>>22932796
Corks, they're meant to keep flies out of your face.

You'll want bird types. We've got lots of birds. Birds, lizards and spiders.

And you'll want a lot of water/poison types too.

>>22932824

Is there a cassowary-like pokemon? Because if there is, put shitloads of them everywhere.

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>>22932728
Uh. Thanks. I'll check it out.

>>22932755
While that makes sense (except the snorlax, but that's just too funny for me to not want to include it), they seem logical... Though excessive.

I think I'll compile all the suggestions, compare it against my initial list and come up with something in the 200-ish pokemon range...

Hell, if I have to add more, I either say they just weren't encountered before or they're invasive species! Australia gets FUCKED by invasive species and I could make an entire quest just out of the breeder trying to keep native species populations stable because of the new species.

>>22932796
Cork. Like from wine bottles.


And it's 3:30am, so I'm gonna pack it in. If the thread's still around when I wake up, I'll check back and read over any new suggestions.

Any kind of weird cultural beliefs or crazy political movements I should know about? I can come up with a lot of ideas for quests and an overarching plot, but I want to fit my ideas into local customs as much as possible. (That and who doesn't enjoy the occasional real world reference in games?)

>>22932834
>cassowary-like pokemon
Doduo/Dotrio is the closest I can think of, but that's more of an emu.

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Ah, one last thing before I go: Gym leaders and their teams, plus appropriate locations for their gyms. 3 ~ 6 pokemon each.

I'd like to fit a Dark gym in there somewhere, since Dark probably won't get a canon gym no matter how much I want one.

Gym leaders will NOT be restricted to native 'mons.

>>22932834
I have no idea what a cassowary is and I'm too tired to google it.


G'night, /tg/, you're bros.

Kind of wish I knew more about pokemon to contribute, but alas, I grew up in a home without gameboy.

>>22932888
Hmmm. Hobart gets the Grass gym. Sydney gets the Dark gym. Perth gets electric, NT gets ground, ACT gets I don't know, Queensland gets Fire, Adelaide gets Ice.

>>22933032
> Queensland gets Fire

I'd say Water is more appropriate considering the latest batch of floods. Fire types should be spread through all the gyms, like poison types being found in every location as well.

>>22933052
>every gym has at least one X/Poison type
Yessss.

Yeah, I'm just ballparking this shit. Lately we've had 48 degree heatwaves and hail, too.

Poke-bump.

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Any help OP?

>>22933512
I don't think he's planning on it literally being Australia.

He'll have to think up poke-world stand-in names for all the locations at least.

>>22932888
Cassowaries are basicly modern dinosaurs.

Ratites with a mean temperment, and are fucking deadly.

>>22933537
True, I just knew I had the map, and thought it might be worth sharing it.

Still, the great barrier reef or its equivilent should be something awesome. Maybe a gym.

>>22933589
It would fit the Queensland gym being water-type.

Gyarados, mother-fucker. Corsolas all over the place.

You need Ponyta.

In Fire Red it's mentioned they can leap Ayers Rock.

>>22932349
>>22932473
>>22932165

Where are you getting these from? They're kind of awesome

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Australia has a large population of feral camels.

So wild Numel and Camerupt should be available.

>>22933512
I don't suppose you have maps like this for the rest of the world? British Isles especially.

>>22933888
Oh shit, he could totally use Crazy Hassan as an npc.

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>>22933983
I've got a couple which people were working on. Mostly WIP.

Here's an extremely WIP version of the british isles.

>>22934081
Thanks!

>every political party is a villain team
Welp, I can't accuse them of bias!

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>>22934212
Yeah, I thought it wasn't the best idea, but what the hell, I just save the pictures.

Here's the last "real world map" pic I have.

... I think they may have gone overboard.

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Needs Road Warrior-esque dudes as the primary villains, encountered on the long highways. You get a motorbike instead of a bicycle as a result.

>>22934704
Or Lord Humongous could run the Dark Gym.

>>22934902
>Dark Gym
>LaughingGymLeaders.png

>>22934902

I'd see him being more the ground or steel type.

>>22934928
Dude said he wanted a dark-type gym in his game. Sounds like its an ideal one to be run by a gang of outlaw bikers.

>>22935006
But a Krookodile would be the perfect partner for him.

>>22934243
>Mexico: 2013
>Canada: 1813
>USA: 3013

Perth has quite a few people coming in for the mines (fly in, fly out dealio with them going up north), so you could work that in somehow (ground gym?). WA has pretty much nothing, so the city and the mines are pretty much the only things worth including. The city has a lot of punks and raver kids walking around, if that helps? I don't know. Also we have a river. Woo.

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This guy hands out the starters.

Professor Eucalypt.

You would probably have to have the Sydney equivilent's gym be the opera house, and have sound based Pokemon like Exploud.

Tentacool and Tentacruel everywhere in the ocean. Lifeguards carrying electric pokemon to deal with the fuckers.

Stuff like Corsola near the coral reefs though.

>>22935708
Make the coral reef resemble a giant corsola.

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A casino riverboat that travels between a small country town and a big city. Evil bikers atack it at some point.

Maybe name all the towns after minerals, or has that been done already?

>>22933883
Yes I agree, where?

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>>22937006
Well, they just seem to be your standard assortment of "realistic" pokemon. There's some decent fanart of that around with some nice reinterpretations.

>>22937172
Ahh cool, I guess I didn't know that was a thing.

>>22935951
I call dibs on being Gaylord

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Yeah, you can often find a bunch of them.

>>22935951
Make it a floating casino with trainer battles, and you have my pokedollars.

>>22937223
I always preferred the medieval combat ones.

>>22937247
That kind of violates the Australia theme though.

>>22937432
True, that's probably more pokessippi.

Try /vp/ since its a pokemon board

>>22937480
Nah, nah, Australia had river boat casinos. Its the floating island thing that's out of place.

>>22937507
Pokemon Tabletop Adventures is a tabletop roleplaying game invented -by- /tg/.

>>22935007
And the Gym isn't a real building. You have to find the gang. Or you can always declare a challenge, if you don't have anything against being ambushed in the middle of the night.

>>22937516
Well, I was still meaning riverboat. I just meant "floating casino" in the sense that they're on water rather than land.

>>22937561
I figured it would be the gang's club house. With a thunderdome theme.

>>22937573
Ah, si, now I understand.

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Northern Territory gym leader.

Based in a swamp.

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>>22937748
Final boss of the Elite Four.

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Sydney-City gym leader, specialises in bird pokemon.

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Melbourne-City gym leader. Uses a lot of psychic and trickster like pokemon.

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Adelaide gym leader.

>>22937748
Hmm, Dark/Ground based swamp gym. Krookadile Glasgow.

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Brisbane-City gym leader.

So, would Uluru be home to a legendary?

>>22937771
Stingray used tail.
It's very effective.

>>22937868
It's where you go to fight the elite-four.

Dude doesn't want custom pokemon.

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>>22937887

>>22937892
Well yeah, but it's a nice place for the regis (especially Gigas) to appear.

>>22937887
>tail
>Not Tail Whip
>Not Poison Sting

You are the laziest.

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>>22933052
>>22933067
>X/Poison in every gym.
I like that idea. I'm also thinking that I'll have wild mutations show up that are dual type Poison when they aren't supposed to be, so the party can try finding out what's causing them. That or have the local Team Morons employ Type Ace (Poison) trainers.

>>22933512
Hm. Interesting. I doubt I'll use that exact map, but it does give me some ideas. I'd probably add a boat route or charter ship to take the party around the coast, though. And I'd let them leave the routes -anyway-, though it'll likely be far more dangerous. (I'll probably treat any 'routes' as the safest path between cities.)

What's the legend on the location colors? It only has a legend for the routes.

>>22933537
>>22933589
>>22933644
It's going to essentially be Australia with the serial numbers filed off. Mostly the same geography and city locations, I may use -some- names (or puns off them), but it's not going to be -exactly- Australia.

I've been thinking of adding some caves in the mountains near Melbourne. Probably cold as fuck caves, so I've got more places to stick ice pokemon. (All types need representation, after all.)

Water gym being near the reef makes perfect sense, as does corsolas. Probably sharpedo, gyarados and frillish (That's the ghost jellyfish, right?) in the gym, too.

>>22933883
I can't recall. Check some archived pokemon threads, I guess, and also danbooru/safebooru. I probably got them from there.

>>22937887
And then Steveo was the ghost-themed gym leader.

>>22938004
> Probably cold as fuck caves, so I've got more places to stick ice pokemon. (All types need representation, after all.)

Our mountains get snow in winter. We have at least one ski resort that I know of.

>>22937990
According to wikipedia it's a tail spine, so shut your piehole you nitpicker.

>>22938004
Generic trainers could be drovers who would have rapidash and tauros/other herding type pokemon. Surfers, who obviously use water-types. Tradesmen, who would use electric types. Miners would use rock and steel type pokemon.

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>>22935192
But of Dark using punks take over the previously Ground/Rock gym, maybe? It's better than having all the cities as backgroundless "X type gym leader" places, at the very least.

>>22935685
This idea really amuses me.

>>22937432
Could be an illegal casino run by an international Team. That would explain it not meshing with the Australia theme. And hey, that way no one will care if it sinks. (The party might care if they're ON it at the time, sure...)

>>22937771
He'd be the Champion (or retired champion) and you fucking know it.

>>22937892
I'm not opposed to having 'lesser' Legendaries show up. Or, alternatively, making blatant expies of the bird trio or something. (Same stats, but different fluff so it's not like the birds are -everywhere-)
>>22937965
Hm, interesting point. Though legendaries showing up in a PTA campaign usually means shit is about to hit the fan. I could work it into the end of the campaign, though.

The players don't seem very interested in challenging gyms, at least with the character's thinking of using right now. So having them fight/catch a legendary for whatever reason might make for a good high point to end the campaign on.

>>22938283
> The players don't seem very interested in challenging gyms

This is not my pokemon sir.

Good day.

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>>22938054
Yeah, I know, but I mean as a permanent location, not just a "when winter rolls around, they come out" type of thing.

>>22938315
I mentioned they wanted to play a Breeder and a fuck-if-they-know-yet.

I'm not ruling out them challenging gyms, though. They say they aren't interested -now-, but once they start itching for levels and prize money they might change their minds. "Not very interested" just means they don't want to -now-.

That or I may get a third or fourth player who wants gym badges. Hell, one guy I have lined up, going by my last campaign, will probably play an Ace Trainer that is all about the battles.

>>22938472
So just keep it as permanently snowy.

Hounddooms acting like dingos.

>>22938031
Team consists of Feraligatr, Krookadile, Mantine...

>>22938502
...That -is- the simple solution...

I'm noting down all these suggestions. I like a lot of them! Once I get a new list together and figure out basic locations for each species I'll post the list for review.

Harold Holt is one of the elite four. Using water Pokemon, obviously.

>>22938768
Must all the elite four be dead men?

>>22938548
there's Poochyena and Mightyena

>>22938798
no, the Elite Four are made up of men thought to be dead

they actually threw their old lives aside through staged deaths, an old tradition in the Ozzy pokemon league

I am deeply ashamed that no

>>22938994
-one has thought to use Ned Kelly as some kind of trainer.

Post got cut in half.

OP is never coming home.

>>22932769
What's Australia's natural disaster rate? [inb4 "Australia is a natural disaster"]

Because if they have frequent natural disasters, Absol could be a good fit. I'm biased though, Absol is a favorite of mine.

>>22940022
> natural disaster rate.

Very high on the east coast, with flooding and large bush fires running for three months straight.

>>22938688
I dunno, Krookadile and Feralligator, although similar in form, don't have much to connect them.

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>>22939946
I've -been- here. See >>22938688

AustraliaDex:
Note that all pokemon listed are the entire evolutionary family unless otherwise noted. So if spinarak is listed that means ariados is included as well, etc.

>>WESTERN AUSTRALIA
>Desert
Cyndaquil, skarmory, houndour, nosepass, numel, sandile

>Grassland
Oddish, caterpie, scyther, cyndaquil, mareep, skarmory, houndour, combee

>Subtropical
Oddish, caterpie, scyther, kecleon, croagunk, venipede

>Tropical
Bulbasaur, chikorita, surskit, carvanha (no sharpedo), kecleon, croagunk


>>NORTHERN TERRITORIES
>Desert
Charmander, cyndaquil, trapinch, sandile

>Grassland
Oddish, caterpie, pincer, cyndaquil, mareep, volbeat/illumise

>Tropical
Bulbasaur, slowpoke, tangela, totodile, surskit, carvanha (no sharpedo), kecleon, croagunk, snivy


>>SOUTH AUSTRALIA
>Desert
Cyndaquil, onix, nosepass, trapinch, hippopotas

>Grassland
Oddish, venonat, scyther, cyndaquil, combee

>Temperate
Venonat, whismur


>>QUEENSLAND
>Desert
Onix, hippopotas, cubone

>Grassland
Ponyta, pincer, mareep, absol, volbeat/illumise

>Subtropical
Bellsprout, slowpoke, exeggcute, tangela, totodile, croagunk, snivy, venipede

>Tropical
Bellsprout, slowpoke, exeggcute, tangela, totodile, surskit, carvanha (no sharpedo), carnivine, snivy

>Equatorial
Bellsprout, exeggcute, totodile, surskit, carvanha (no sharpedo), tropius, carnivine, snivy

>Temperate
See New South Wales


>>NEW SOUTH WALES
>Desert
See South Australia

>Grassland
Ponyta, scyther, absol, combee

>Temperate
Misdreavus, heracross

More in just a minute.

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>>22940581
>>VICTORIA
>Grassland
See New South Wales

>Temperate
Sneasel, heracross, whismur, snorunt


>>TASMANIA
>Temperate
Spheal, lapras, sneasel, swinub, snorunt, piplup, oshawott


>>OCEAN
>Ocean
Squirtle, tentacool, shellder, krabby, horsea, staryu, magikarp, kabuto (no kabutop), qwilfish, remoraid, mantine, sharpedo (no carvanha), wailmer, feebas, finneon, tirtouga

>Coastal
Wingull, buizel, magikarp, shellder, krabby, squirtle


>>GREAT BARRIER REEF
>Ocean
Corsola, clamperl, luvdisc, qwillfish, remoraid, staryu, feebas, finneon, mantine


>>ALMOST FUCKING -EVERYWHERE-
>Desert
Rhyhorn, gligar, geodude, aron, seviper, skorupi, litwick, vullaby

>Grassland
Sandshrew, diglet, weedle, ekans, nidoran, geodude, kangaskhan, tauros, miltank, murkrow, poochyena, machop, shinx, budew, buneary, rufflet

>Everywhere. No, seriously, EVERYWHERE.
Spinarak, voltik, rattata, zubat


"Artificial" pokemon (magnemite, voltorb, other pokemon that just don't fit in nature well) appear mostly around cities.

Unown appear around ayers rock, maybe?

And that's all I've got. It's a lot.

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>>22940637
Note that the list shows where they appear, not if they're common. You may be able find aron over half the place, but that doesn't mean they're -common-.

With the exception of spinarak, joltik, rattata and zubat, as those things even show up in heavily populated areas.

I'm gonna throw swarms of joltik at the party until they catch at least one.

...And I just realized how many times I've misspelled joltik in this thread.

Fossile pokemon:
extinct mammalian or avian megafauna. Possibly including a thylacine. Maybe refluff some pokemon for Australian cousins?

Psyducks.

Perfect platypuses.

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>>22940967
>Maybe refluff some pokemon for Australian cousins?
I'll probably do that for several of them, yes. No changing stats or altering their appearances too much, but they'll be some sort of sub-species.

Snivy, for instance. Gen 5 took place in a temperate area, right? This snivy is a tropical version. Pretty much the same animal, just adapted somewhat for the different climate.

There might be some coloration differences or such, if I feel like going into that much detail on the differences.

Right now, though, I just want to get all the locations worked out sensibly. I'll worry about reskinning once I have more important details handled.

I'm happy with the current spread, though. I'm trying to give the party a reason to move around by having interesting and/or powerful pokemon unique to certain areas.

And I'm probably going to reflavor Tasmania as a frozen wasteland at this rate.

>>22941074
>Looks up platypus habitats, puts psyducks along the east coast and on Tasmania.
...Noted.

>>22941074
I wouldn't say perfect. The platypus has poisonous barbs on its hind legs and can sense electrical fields like a shark (which is how it hunts its prey).

>>22941308
So it has claws, and a special strange sensory power?

Like a psychic pokemon with fury swipes?

>>22941361
I guess the electrical field bit could be refluffed as psychic power, but fury swipes != poison sting

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>>22941308
>>22941361
Water pokemon, platypus-like shape, strange powers and I believe only the males have those barbs, right?

Also, I think I mentioned earlier, but I'm thinking of having mutant pokemon show up as a plot point, so a Water/Poison psyduck isn't out of the question.

Standard quest of "What is causing this and how do we make it stop?" I'm still debating on whether to answer to that question is 'Team Derp', 'pollutants' or 'Because nature hates you and wants you to die.'

>>22941442
>'Because nature hates you and wants you to die.'
dude. Australia.

Fluff it as the continent actually being a massive fucking pokemon, like a torterra on steroids mixed with the things from Shadow of the Colossus.

It's fucking pissed people keep digging into its skin to grab minerals and is now starting to awake.

>>22941361
Poisonous barbs, but whatever. Psyduck is a pretty good fit really with its Water/Psychic.

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Or, failing that, just have some show up that know Poison Sting. Could be caused by breeders mucking about, natural mutation or whatever got that dratini in HG/SS to learn Extreme Speed.

Also: Nidorans are just as populous as bunearies. They have rabbit-like ears (and are pretty rabbit shaped in their NidoranM/F forms), are poison type and evolve into freaks of nature. They're the -perfect- Australian pokemon.

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>>22941502
...what, like Cthulhu in turtle form?
and the team is essentially a cult trying to awaken it?


jesus christ how horrifying

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>>22941502
>dude. Australia.
I think you may have missed it, but that was the joke.

Though a giant torterra or something is a little -too- out there for the campaign. Besides, if I played that plot twist I couldn't stop myself from turning the campaign into one long string of Discworld references.

>>22941558
Psyduck and Golduck are water type pokemon that know psychic moves. It isn't actually psychic type.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Psyduck_(Pokémon)

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I know this joke has already been made in this thread, but here it is in gif form.

>>22941754
TAIL WHIP IS NOT A DAMAGE INFLICTING MOVE

>>22941814
I didn't make the gif. Feel free to edit it. I would appreciate it if you did.

While you're at it, fix Steve's HP. It says 00/97 throughout the animation.

So, got gyms sorted out? You seem to be on solid ground with the habitat and the pokemon found within.

Breloom as kangaroos?
with shroomish in their pouches?

>>22942018
>Breloom
kangaskhan already exists.

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>>22941960
>So, got gyms sorted out?
Hahahaha, oh god, no. Not in the least.

I know I want a dark gym, a water gym and a ground gym, probably with the ground gym out west. That is about the extent of my gym planning, thus far.

...For some reason, I'm tempted to name the gym leaders after types of beer. "Let's go challenge Lager!"

>>22942292
> For some reason, I'm tempted to name the gym leaders after types of beer.

I wouldn't. Theme names might be better for towns than for people.

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>>22942341
Towns, then? Roll up to Moonshine, go find the hobo professor with his knock-off pokedex?

I feel incredibly bad for suggesting that. But fuck, it's Pokemon: It's either bright and happy pastels or gods of anti-matter threatening all of existence. Shit can get grim and gritty FAST.

>>22942446
Hmm, Moonshine, Bootleg, Rotgut (poison type?), Redeye.

>>22942446
That human-ized Absol actually looks really cool.

Mostly, I'm digging the shit out of that coat.

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So, what should Team Asshat's goals be? Should I even bother having a Team? They're a tradition, but hell, it -can- get boring after a while.

>>22942646
Not sure about that third one...

>>22942646
Damn straight.

>>22943418
I think Game Freak uses the "Team Derp is the super-evil enemy" trope in every game because they are marketing the game to children. It's easy to grasp.

With a tabletop game, you can create a deeper or more mature plotline, or something that isn't so tying-woman-to-railroad-tracks evil. Perhaps the main threat is ecological, and as a result wild pokemon are moving to cities and fighting with humans.

You can introduce shades of grey to a game series that is historically simple black-and white. I advise taking advantage of that.

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>>22943512
>>22943557
Well duh. But my point is more "Should I have a central threat?" I can do moral greyness (virtually every campaign I have ever run, even a My Little Pony campaign) and I can do multiple antagonists that aren't bound to a central group.

Hell, the games -did- brush against moral greyness on occasion, such as Magma/Aqua theoretically having good intentions, but just being fucking morons about it.

>Let's dry up the ocean to make more land for humans! No, wait, let's not because that'll require heating up the planet, making it unlivable!
>Let's raise the ocean so pokemon have more places to live! No, wait, that'll DROWN MULTIPLE CITIES.
Well intentioned extremists and groups that started with a good cause in mind but slowly lost touch with it are actually my specialty.

Hell, one of my villains in my last campaign just wanted to create a home for orphans, but didn't trust the government to not fuck it up. (The fact that she aligns with a cult intent on toppling all civilization shows her lack of foresight at that moment.)

So. Yeah. Plot ideas? Just having "wander around until your rival/gym leader/Team Seinfeld needs a kick to the crotch" is dull as fuck and, like I mentioned, I'd like the plot to fit the locale.

So does anyone here know how the politics of pokemon operates?

Cause from where i'm standing, a sort of neo-feudalism makes the most sense, with gyms being local lords and their retainers, trainers being knights, and the elite 4 serving as a ruling council with the champion beign a sort of military leader/enforcer

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>>22943842
I always saw gyms as a local militia, there to protect their city from any threats. But they're still part of the same nation and don't have any real political power beyond prestige. "I keep you safe, will you do this for me?" sort of thing, instead of "I'm your lord, kneel!"

Ordinary trainers deal with ordinary problems, gym leaders act more as teachers and leaders, ensuring the next generation can handle any threats. The Elite Four are there in case god tier shit hits the fan. (Though they never actually show up in the games or help when they DO show up, Cynthia is such a bitch...)

>>22943780

Since you're interested in moral greyness, why not have a kind of native/poacher sort of deal? Especially since Australia.

The Natives lived in harmony with the pokemon, and never "captured" them. They just lived as allies and helped each other, and pokemon were kind of god-like figures. They see capturing pokemon and using them for fighting as evil and self centered in a sort of perverse "taming of nature" way. Motivations for individuals could range from keeping outsiders from coming in all the way up to stealing pokemon and releasing them back into the wild.

Then, on the opposite side, you have the hardcore trainers/poachers. They're all about training, having come to the new land in order to find new pokemon, train the ones they have, and acquire rare species and sub types. The worst among them don't care about the natural order, and just seek personal fulfillment and getting stronger. Maybe have their leader be a sort of Indiana Jones expy with a penchant for catching extremely rare pokemon?

Then have both sides commit crimes (trainers capture ancient Torterra seen as a spiritual beast and refuse to let it go, Natives break into a pokemon center and free pokemon) as well as have helpful NPCs on both sides.

Then you can kind of have the players advance how they want choosing one side or other as enemies/allies.

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>>22944053
That -could- work... if it wasn't Australia. Australia, where 'nature' is synonymous with 'painful death.'

The "group with a spiritual bend wanting pokemon free" versus "people who live for capturing pokemon" angle could work, but might wind up seeming like a rehash of gen V's plot. (Though I haven't -played- gen V yet... And Gen VI is on the way. Jesus.)

Though it's guaranteed that there will be events that make the PCs question whether making pokemon battle is moral or not.


As a hypothetical question... What would you expect an Aussie Legendary to look like? I'd rather not pervert the lore by making my own 'mons, but I'm still curious how the myths and such would translate into a world with pokemon.

I repeat: I know fuck all about this aspect of Australia.

>>22945036
A didgeridoo pokemon

But in all seriousness, the "rainbow serpent" appears to be the most common mythological figure in the region according to wiki.

>>22945151
From reading more about it, the Rainbow serpent could make a pretty good psychic/water legendary

>>22945036
How would >>22944053
not work with Australia? It's a land that was originally inhabited by Aboriginals, treated as a giant prison by Britain, and then advanced into a first world nation. There is a ton of history of racial strife between the Aboriginals and everybody else. Injecting Pokemon into all of this means that the Aboriginals would have natural allies, and it would make sense that poachers and reckless immigrants (like the one Brit who brought in rabbits for hunting and ended up populating the entire continent with them) would conflict with the Aboriginals.

>>22944053
Here

>>22945243
Now that I think about it, you know what would be a cool twist? Colonial pokemon adventures. Instead of capturing pokemon with pokeballs, they need to be "tamed" by either whittling down their life and claiming them (if they're wild) or by offering them food and companionship.

Trainers could be gentlemanly adventurers come to explore the land, and have to contend with the naturalistic natives that live with the pokemon as free allies and the brutal poachers who beat their pokemon and break their spirits to control them.

>I say, Barnabus, that appears to be some sort of lizard.
>Indeed it does James.
>It's facial markings appear to be that of a criminal facemask. We shall call it "Krookodile!"
>Genius work James, we must capture one for the royal biological society!

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>>22945427
>gentlemanly adventurers
>massive beasts that really should have stopped humans from developing at all

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>>22945243
>not work with Australia?
Well, as I said, trying to portray -controlling- nature as morally gray is going to be pretty difficult when nature is the biggest threat to the group.

>There is a ton of history of racial strife between the Aboriginals and everybody else.
Tried exploring racial tensions in my last campaign. Pretty sure it unnerved some of my group.

It's doable and provides a lot of opportunities for story telling, yeah, but I gotta ease into it carefully so as not to freak anyone out.

Last campaign I tried easing into the concept of racial violence in the setting (portraying it as terrible, because it is.) One of the villains was the victim of racial prejudice and violence. When I started out, I didn't let the PCs know about the violence. They were very firmly set on "He's bad and being treated bad doesn't give him the right to do this!" Then I slowly had them discover details on just what happened to him. One of the players, out of character, went into a rant about how all the villains are crazy and horrible people that should be killed just to get it over with (to be fair, she was stressed out and her medication wasn't working), but, uh... Well, suffice to say the entire party stopped seeing him as an evil son of a bitch once they found out he was held down and had chunks of skin carved off of him. I... probably went overboard, though I intentionally avoided -describing- any of the violence, not giving any details beyond a 'just the facts' report.

So I'm hesitant to bring in racial conflict again. Though I think I could make it work if I used pokemon as the intermediary, now that I think about it: Both sides are focused on the wildlife, less so on each other. The pokemon are the focus of their views and actions, with the other side as obstacles.

Now that I think about it, having a group of natives that steal, drive out or kill invasive species and a group of poachers essentially doing the same with native species could work.

>>22945427
>or by offering them food and companionship
This is colloquially known as "pedocatching".

>>22945958
Sadly, I could easily see the wrong type of pokemon fan go after a gardevoir or a lopunny...

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>>22945958
You are now imagining a wailord offering a skitty candy. (Feel free to hate me for that mental image.)


Anyway, my campaigns tend to get progressively darker as they go, as that just seems to be where my mind takes me. Last campaign started with the party saving a little girl from some rage drakes, then they had a tea party. (I shit you not.) By the end of the campaign, they were fighting a resurrected god that wanted to wipe out all civilization, having just burst in on the ritual after the god broke the spines and impaled two of their allies. (In a campaign that had been largely non-lethal.) Yeah... I may emotional problems, I dunno.

>Back onto Australia...
Maybe a new law is passed cracking down on poaching to appease the aboriginals, but this pisses off some poachers that start decimating species or something? Maybe have this spring up as breaking news a couple sessions in so the party has to decide whether to get involved or try to ignore it all?

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>>22932165
>that fire thing
>not a mustelid but a canid

pleb shit

>>22945695
>Well, as I said, trying to portray -controlling- nature as morally gray is going to be pretty difficult when nature is the biggest threat to the group.
I did not consider that. You have a point there.
>the racial tension stuff
Oh.
If your group doesn't want that kind of stuff, I'd either not have the racial conflict or, as you suggested, reframe it as something else. Colonists vs natives doesn't have to be about racism; it could be about a number of things (land, resources, ecological stability, ideological differences...).

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>>22946173
Yeah, I'm thinking I'll rework it into more of a "PETA vs exploitation" angle, except with PETA not being full of shit heads and the exploitation being a minority of the actual trainers.

Maybe work in some the 'big business' angle where the poachers try selling the public on the benefits and how the average person can profit from it, the economy will improve, etc. I'm American, so the whole "don't fuck with shit" vs "fuck with shit but get rich" debate is something I'm intimately aware of.

So it's a matter of whether leaving things the way they are (lethal as all hell if you aren't careful, but a self correcting system that -could- keep working) or changing things (which can lead to wiping out entire species, for better or worse), or whatever third option my players go for.

My group is kind of a toss up: They can come up with amazing ideas that never occurred to me, ideas that I love to incorporate into the campaign... Or they can sit patiently until I hand feed them plot points. I'm hoping for the former, as it's much more fun that way.

It makes me sad that you want to make Tasmania a frozen wasteland. It has plenty to offer, and actually gets pretty much zero snow aside from the mountains, just like anywhere else in Australia.

Hell, given that Tasmania used to be THE penal colony to end all penal colonies and has a bunch of prison ruins and the like, throw the Dark-type gym down there. Have the dude be an awesome historian-type guy who uses Dark-types not because he's evil but because (like many australians) he's goddamn proud of the strong convict heritage, especially strong in Tasmania.

>>22946419
Well, the ice pokemon have to go -somewhere-.

And sneasel is very common there. Dark/Ice.

>encounter a guy recruiting for Team Fuckwits
>defeat him in battle
>he hands you an invite to a gathering of Team Fuckwits since you're strong and would be an excellent member, yada yada, the whole spiel
>stuff happens, you end up being asked to infiltrate Team Fuckwits by the cops/local politician/big Siph/Devon style company the Team is trying to bring down, whatever
>go to the meeting
>nobody is there except the one guy you fought, he's just some outspoken guy who the force dispatching you is trying to suppress for turning things into a debate and slowing down their vast earnings by actually being concerned about the consequences of their actions

>>22946496
Why not the mountains?

>>22946419
Tasmania also has like... a third of it being essentially unexplored/non-settled, the whole South West side, really. There should be a small time legendary somewhere in that area that people believed went extinct ages ago, like the Tasmanian Tiger.

Throw in the tensions between the forestry industry and the environmentalists across the state and you could have some interesting things going on.

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>>22946539
Some of the ice types are in the mountains. But some are water/ice types that, y'know, wouldn't be up there.

Besides, I said I was THINKING of covering it in ice, not that I had decided to.

>>22946743
Icebergs south of Tasmania?

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>>22946778
Honestly, my other idea was just having them come up from the south for mating or something. I'm not a marine biologist, okay? I don't know the mating rituals of penguins or seals or anything.

>>22946923
Hmm, so Tasmania, although not a winter wasteland, because of it being so close to the Antarctic, has a research station/gym there?

I do know the entire southern coast of Australia is home to the Little/Fairy Penguin.

Australia is fucking ancient. There's life there that hasn't existed anywhere else for billions of years. The entire continent is a haven for living fossils.

You could probably use this to excuse including a couple of fossil pokemon as wild pokemon in pokestralia. Lileeps along the coast of Western Australia for instance or occasional bursts of Kabuto's showing up inland after massive rain

Not sure if this'll help but to fluff out the dex maybe put a bunch of animalish pokemon throughout the zones that don't fit neatly within the reef=tentacool type deal.

Aus was colonised so basically the Brits just chucked all their favourite things into the wilderness. It didn't really work so there's a stark contrast between the native fauna and everything else. Many people (perhaps most) have big enough yards to keep pets too, not to mention the farming culture of the inner region.

Basically it would not be out of place to see Growlithes and Vulpixes and the various cats running around. Also, for hunting purposes, foxes and rabbits were released into the wild.

Fun fact, in Queensland it is illegal to own a rabbit.

So yeah, definitely have some 'imported' types. They'd probably be found in trainers hands than in the wild but they would definitely be in the wild. Dingos as growlithes?

There should definitely be an arc where your party has to contend with hundreds of toad and frog based pokemon.

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>>22947109
I knew about the penguins, hence piplup showing up in the wild.

>>22947190
If you'll check the list of wild pokemon further up the thread, kabutos and relicanth are listed as Ocean pokemon across the region. (Okay, I think I forgot to write down relicanth, but it's there.)

I'm also thinking there will be more fossils in the region than in the games, where you usually get the choice between two revived 'mons and maybe get a different mon later. (Like Kabuto/Omanyte + aerodactyl amber.) They aren't going to be -common-, but opting to dig around for them won't be as much of a fool's errand as other regions.

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>>22947290
Several pokemon (like houndour) are in there as 'dingos' and fill ins for other australian species.

Bunearies and nidorans are in there to fill out the rabbit infestation issue.

And I intend to have trading and owning non-native pokemon heavily monitored. Trainers -can- have non-native pokemon, but they're looking at anything from steep fines up to their license being revoked if they release potential invasive species in the region.

Which also means there's potential for black market trading on various species, smuggling them into and out of the country. This also conveniently lets me spring surprises on the group: What's a dragonair doing here? It probably escaped from a black market shipment.

>>22945036
Actually, some of the precolonial aboriginal shamanism is exactly like that; owing some sort of filial loyalty to the land and it's inhabitants. The vision of a mad-max inspired, barbaric and murderous no-man's land is a sensationalist meme perpetrated only on the Internet and in nationalistic, derisive cheap movies.
The focus is on the land though. Trust me, I know it because of my learnings.
As for the serpent thing, go with Rayquaza.

Yo, archived this for you over on sup/tg/

>>22948288
Hm, could you give the cliff notes version of the shamanistic beliefs or a link to something that explains them? I want to portray the properly and not have them dismissed as "just some hippies" or something. (I doubt my players would -do- that, but I'm concerned about running them right regardless.)

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>>22949185
Thanks, that's appreciated!

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Nobodies said it yet, but durant. Durants and lotsa durants.

And maybe some whimsicotts just to piss them off.

Make sure there are fuckloads of Mareep. Australia wasn't once known as the country riding on the sheep's back for no reason, the wool and lamb industry is massive here.

>>22932556
There will be grass types all along the east as well. Lots of bushland and rain forest on the east coast of Australia. Further west, but still in the east is a moutain range that starts in south east queensland and makes its way down to the very bottom of Australia near South Australia.

>>22949592
Mareep are present in the grasslands of: Western Australia, Norther Territories, and Queensland.

I am considering them common pokemon, meaning you'll trip over them about as much as rattatas.

>>22949679
The budew family are literally -everywhere-, with oddish -almost- everywhere. Tropical and sub-tropical areas are full of assorted grass types.

Also note that all I have listed are for 'normal' ranges of these pokemon, but there will be the occasional far-from-home 'mon as well.

If you need a cool Team angle, why not play up the penal colony aspect? Have Team Derp be made up of the sons and daughters of former criminals and backed up by criminals with ties to other teams in other regions. Sort of a "professional muscle" team that takes in those who are from broken down teams and ex-cons.

They could be trying to take over a gem mining operation in the central region (that's still a thing in Australia right? underground housing and fuckloads of gems?) and their stance on pokemon could easily be "Nature is fucking terrifying. If you do not master it, you will fall to it."

Probably not human supremacists (they do use pokemon after all), but probably the anti-PETA. Pokemon are wild animals and tools to be used. The whole bonding thing is sort of hilariously stupid when a single pokemon can take you down with an electrical attack or burn down the goddamn house.

Maybe have them use Electric/Steel types as regulars. Manufactured pokemon are as close to a controlled weapon as they'll get. Officers of course can be from the other regions and use/dress with the trappings of their former team.

Also Unown and Natu in the Aboriginee regions. Might be cool for a gym leader idea.

>>22949765
>grasslands
>Western Australia

What, really? I had no idea they knew that grass was in that desert hellhole of a state, certainly not to the point of having a sustainable sheep grazing industry. I thought they made all their money digging up all our valuable resources and then selling them to China.

I still like the idea of the bad guys being dressed like Mad Max raiders.

>>22949217
The second? chapter of Nichol Evans "Dying Words" covers this.
http://books.google.com.mx/books/about/Dying_Words.html?id=ebNp39oOUQ0C&redir_esc=y

You still here OP?

I'm an Australian who actually knows a lot about our history/geography

>>22949846
More of Australia is semi-arid as opposed to desert. If he's including semi-arid environments as grassland then there is a lot in Western Australia

>>22949886
Aside from the rainbow serpent what other Aboriginal mythological things could be legendary Pokemon?

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Ya know, I've always wanted to run a Pokemon game (not with the d20 system, because it sucks, but still). I actually had a sort of "type distribution" chart figured out for the US.

The basic structure of the US is the same, but as far as Pokemon are concerned, it's split into five "Regions": Northeast, South, Midwest, Southwest, Northwest.

Dragon Types aren't really native; you might find a few if you search high/deep enough in the Rockies, but otherwise, they're all imported.

I figured there would just be one Gym per region, but they'd all be multi-type gyms, utilizing different combinations of their region's native pokemon.

Oh, yeah - Alaska is an honorary member of the Northwest Region, Hawaii is part of the Southwest (even though its native types are more like the South's).

>>22949846
It would be stretch to say we have grasslands but we are the nations main wheat grower.

Agriculture is largely restricted to the south west though. But that area is still larger than any American state for instance.

>>22949903
There is nothing of the standing off the rainbow serpent.

Probably just make three different snakes as your legendaries.

>>22947290
Fun fact
In Western Australia all sparrows are killed on sight

>>22949903
>>22949957
The frog that drank the waters up is close to the rainbow serpent.

>>22949976
It's not nation wide like the rainbow serpent.

What cities/towns are going to be in?

I'd actually consider having New Zealand in as well.

>>22949976
> the frog that drank the waters up
Tidalik

>>22950002
> not nation-wide

You've never heard of Tiddalik?

>>22949903
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_Aboriginal_mythological_figures

Some of the more interesting ones:
>Adnoartina: A lizard guardian of Uluru. A natural legendary Poke to have in the Uluru region, maybe in a cave beneath or actually inside the giant rock.
>Djanggawul: Three siblings, two female one male, created the landscape of Australia. Nature deities and obvious candidates for a legendary trio, one was a rain goddess, one probably ground or rock for the land and one for the plants and animals, so maybe grass?
>Galeru: One of the regional names for a rainbow serpent creator god, was said to have eaten the Djanggawul. Naturally the trio leader.
>Bunyip: More treated as a cryptid these days and a more low-level spirit in the mythology of the tribes that believed in it, was said to lurk in swamps and billabongs and such and would come out and eat unwary children. A water-monster essentially.
>Tiddalik: Fairly famous in Australia even today, frog of southeast Australian legend who drank all the water in the land, and had to be made to laugh to regurgitate it.
>Wambeen: Evil dude who attacks people with lightning. Not necessarily an important god, but I think an Electric/Dark legendary would be neat.

>>22950023
Nope

Not in WA.

>>22950033
> WA

See, that's your problem right there.

Isn't your premier still trying to steal all the national revenue the state produces?

>>22950055
Our premier just wants to build things. He's a modern day Ramses. Cut him some slack.

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>>22949873
Thank you! I'll be sure to read it. Probably in the morning, since I'm about to pass out.

>>22949846
>>22949892
I'm using the climate map I posted here >>22932211 and, yes, I'm counting semi-arid as grasslands. Besides that, it's not too much of a stretch to have it be a little more green than brown, what with all the grass types that exist.

>>22949957
It amuses me, how many cultures have some sort of rainbow serpent. It's the little similarities between people across the world that makes me smile.

>>22949965
I'll make sure spearrows don't appear in the wild, then.

>>22950055
Lets not get into this debate.

But its the other way around. WA gets fucked over by the eastern states.

Actually use typical WA's antipathy for the rest of the country and the fact that WA only got self governance in 1890 due to massive convict population and have the evil team be WA led.
Colin, Twiggy and Gina are the villains.

>>22950055
>Hurr we should secede from the rest of the country to keep all the money from the mining for ourselves!

This is why WA doesn't know shit about the rest of the country's mythology or indeed anything else. The state that only cares about itself, ladies and gentlemen.

Heh, the Great Corsola Reef.

>>22950108
WA secessionism has existed from pre federation.

Nothing to do with mining (which is state owned by the way).

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Another idea for the elite four. Akka Dakka. Uses rock-type pokemon.

The Don needs to be the secret boss that has all level 99.96 Pokemon

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>>22950024
Wow, that's a lot to work with. I'm still not sure if legendaries will be an active element of the campaign, but it's nice to have the background information to help flesh out the world.

>>22950091
I'm from America, where our governors like building things... Usually to put their name on them, if possible.

Yet my (former) home state always had shitty roads and no available jobs... But the governor had to be doing something right, since she kept getting reelected.

Eh, whatever. I know fuck all about Australian politics, that's exactly why I asked if anyone could help me out.

>>22950167
What do you want to know about Australian politics?

What cities have gyms?

Adelaide needs murkrows

Perth needs black swannas

Queensland needs tropius

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>>22950102
>>22950108
>>22950122
When I asked about politics, I was thinking laws and taxes, not so much "who is trying to screw over who"

...Though this is giving me some a look at your politics, so I suppose it's what I asked for. I'll be making a note to file any serial numbers off political figures, though...

>>22950113
Yep. If I'm lucky, maybe the party will take a boat out to 'dex all the species in the reef. Maybe get attacked by an angry wailord or something. (Fighting on a boat has a lot of factors that make it different from fighting on land, and different is good.)

>>22950147
...Not familiar, I'm afraid.

>>22950219
A lot of places have murkrows and tropius are in the equatorial region of Queensland.

>>22950219
Everywhere in the north needs some disgusting noxious frog pokemon.

>>22950223
Bon Scott was the lead singer of AC/DC (sometimes called Akka Dakka) and is an Australian legend.

>>22950231
Was referring to the whole croweater tag given to South Australians.

So Elite Four

Bon Rock
------
------
------

Champion
Steve Crocs


Bonus Boss
Don All level 99s

Elite Four are in Canberra

Gyms are in
Adelaide- Fire
Brisbane- water type
Darwin- electric
Hobart- Dark
Melbourne- Grass
Perth- Ground or Steel
Sydney- Flying
8th gym should be Newcastle/Townsville

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>>22950239
Croagunk has you covered, bro.

Check out my two posts here:
>>22940581
>>22940637
For my almost-definite (I added a couple other 'mons) list, divided by region and climate zone.

>>22950241
Really? I like AC/DC, just could never remember names and faces...

>>22950254
Cooper, grass-type gym leader, only there because his elder brother Foster has gone wandering off.

If Foster is met and fought, he's significantly weaker than Cooper

>>22950293
Or the 8th could be in Sydney with a ground-type Alice Springs gym in as the 4th or something

>>22950305
Lion Nathan is the eldest brother.

Could be a laugh to have the following teams

>>22950294
WA needs more ground and steel pokemon. Also needs Swanna. WA is famous for its swans.

Also famous for the Emu War.

>>22950294
You probably already know this, but it's pretty interesting to note that a lot of the vegetation in Australia needs regular large-scale bush fires to thrive, and that most theories attribute this to the Aboriginal practice of fire-stick farming, in which they used fire to force animals out of hiding, and often to also change the plants that lived in the area.

There's also evidence that human activity is the cause of the extinction of Australia's megafauna (fun things like a two-ton wombat and a hundred kilo echidna), either from the environmental change of the fires, or just hunting to extinction.

So the conflict is between people who have already tamed the land, and new people who want to tame it their way, rather than tamed versus harmony with the original wilderness.

>>22950323
Alice Springs would be hell random to give a gym though with its population.

That list is in alphabetical order except for the undecided 8th city.

>>22950346
Nah this is the conflict

Several evil groups

Team XXXX
Team Fosters
Team CB
Team Coopers
Team Emu

Seems more Australian to fight over that.

Or have the teams be AFL vs NRL
The true division of the country

>>22950347
Huh, I guess so, but as it stands there is no gym in the red center.

There really should be a gym in the red desert there

>>22950358
Would prefer Kalgoorlie or Broken Hill then.
Maybe Kalgoorlie, was almost a capital of a state.

>>22950293
8th gym should be in Broken Hill.

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>>22950346
Every time I hear about fire-stick farming, I get hit with deja vu.

>>22950347
You say 'undecided' like you have final say... OP here to say the only gym more or less set in stone at this point is the Dark gym in Hobart.

Suggestions and ideas are appreciated, but again, I've not made up my mind on a lot of this stuff yet.

>>22950354
What are the acronyms?

>>22950358
Since I started the thread, I've been toying with the idea of having the E4 on or near uluru/ayers rock.

>>22950399
The main beers of the five mainland states.

CB should be VB for Victoria Bitter.

Broome or Cairns seem like the likely place for an 8th gym, simply based on positioning around the coast. The gaps between Darwin and either Perth or Brisbane lend themselves to another gym.

>>22950417
Port Hedland would be more interesting than Broome in my opinion.

Also has a very logical steel typing.

>>22950223
If this makes you feel any better anon, I'd totally play in this game. It sounds like a lot of fun.

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>>22950409
What about AFL and NRL?

And this is my last reply for the night, guys. It's 1am, so I'm heading to bed. Same as last night, I'll be back if the thread is still here in the morning.

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions, /tg/!

>>22950409
Wait which beers match up with which state?

>>22950354
>>22950409
>>22950446
I'm disappointed that you don't list Tasmanian beer, the state has a pretty good name for itself given its size.

Also, XXXX is QLD, Coopers is SA, Emu would be WA, CB is Victoria? (Carlton Bitter I assume) and that would leave Fosters as NSW (except nobody actually drinks it, it's a tourist beer).

>>22950440
The two main sporting leagues in the country representing the two most popular sports- Australian Football and Rugby League.

Australian Football (and the AFL) dominates the states of SA, TAS, VIC and WA as well as the Northern Territory.

Rugby League dominates New South Wales and Queensland.

>>22950446
XXXX Gold- Queensland
Fosters - NSW
VB- Victoria
Coopers- SA
Emu Export - WA

>>22950482
CB was a typpo. Meant VB

Some poor state has to be left with Fosters and it may as well be NSW.

Ah yeah, VB would have been very clear. NSW is better known for Tooheys in Australia, since Fosters is a shitty export.

Tasmania can have two minor teams squabbling for superiority within their own state before trying to move onto the mainland, Team Boags and Team Cascade.

>>22950548
Make it Boags since Hobart gets the gym.

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>>22950440

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barassi_Line

>>22950627
Yellow = Australian Football
Green = Rugby League

Populations are roughly equal

>>22950591
Also, it's the superior beer. So yeah, I'm all for that.

>>22949930
Wow, you really oversimplified the United States. To start with, California is home to a lot of diverse climates. 2.5 years ago in Mammoth Lakes, CA (town close to Yosemite), I stood in natural snow at 12,000 feet. In August. We have ski resorts, a very large agricultural industry (which dwarfs Hollywood), a bunch of beautiful natural parks such as Redwood National Park and Joshua Tree (chapparel), deserts (Death Valley), temperate places (Monterey Bay)...

>>22951716
He over simplified everything.
The climate differences between the Sonoran Desert and Mojave Desert are huge, and anytime spent travelling through any one of those states would show the difference, not even getting into the mountain habitats.

It fits if you have the idea that you can pull a 10 hour drive between Disneyland and the Statue of liberty, but I'd recommend you start with a smaller area that you know and work on the species native to the area.

Just sticking to what I know, seasonal Cubchoo in Flagstaff, AZ should not surprise anyone, even if the state animal is probably Sandshrew or Seviper.

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Rescue bump.

>>22949930
Considering generation V took place all inside of new york/unova, I feel like this map vastly oversimplifies the variety of pokemon contained in a region

Man, just look at Khangaskhan

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>>22950627
>>22950643
How intense is the rivalry between the two? I've got a British friend who swears there is always at least a few drunken idiots brawling after every soccer game.

But I could work this into a good introduction of the region and play up the national pride angle, maybe have a few NPCs argue over which is the 'real' national sport... (After all, pokemon aren't going to be the -only- element of the game.)

Could be really interesting if members of the party are from different sides of the line.

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>>22932165
>Pocket Monster Hunter
>Feraligatr
>mfw

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So for the E4, it's still a toss up between Ayers Rock and Canberra. Canberra would make it a lot easier to get to (and would likely rake in revenue due to spectators, which makes it a logical choice), but the E4 is typically out of the way and -reaching- is half the challenge.

Except this is Australia, so actually going full circle around the place without dying requires incredible luck or skill. So Canberra is in the lead between the two choices, by a little bit.

I want the gyms to be in major/capital cities, so that means Hobart, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Darwin and Perth. So that's seven, I need to know where to put the eighth.

On one hand, could put it in Canberra. Except then most of the gyms are bunched up near each other, which just won't do. Cairns seems a good fit, since it's spaced out from the others and the east coast has a high population. But that does risk leaving the west underrepresented.

Also, there won't be a set gym order. Players are welcome to skip any gym they come across and come back later. None of that "You have to beat Brock or NPCs won't let you head to Mt. Moon" BS.

I'm also sticking with Stark's suggestion of gym battles being one trainer versus the gym leader, three pokemon each, barring special exceptions.

Hobart will be the Dark-type gym, no other types are set yet, so feel free to make suggestions.

>>22958605
I could also use suggestions for gym leaders, as well as types. There were suggestions earlier that I'm considering, but more opinions are always appreciated.

Anyway, my current gym notes:
Since there's no set order for the gym, the leaders will use weaker pokemon against opponents that have fewer badges. Pokemon are listed in twos or threes as: Few/no badges / Several badges / Most badges.

Hence some family lines being replaced. Teams are also chosen for good secondary type spread, both for the sake of variety and challenge.

>>HOBART - DARK TYPE
>Leader: ???
Houndour / Houndoom / Absol
Murkrow / Honchkrow / Honchkrow
Sneasel / Weavile / Spiritomb
Carvanha / Sharpedo / Sharpedo
Scraggy / Scrafty / Spiritomb
Sandile / Krokorok / Tyranitar

>>22958666
>>22958666
>>22958666
I was going to suggest a pattern of Canberra>Sydney>Brisbane>Cairns>Darwin>Broome>Perth>Adelaide>Melbourne and from there going across the Bass Straight to an E4 in Tasmania (with only 8 badges out of the possible 9 needed) since it's a bit out of the way while not being stupidly remote, isolated and sacred like Uluru, but Hobart as Dark type gym works too.

You should include a Dark/Poison, if you want to follow the whole "at least one poison Mon in every gym". So a Skuntank or a Drapion?

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>>22959492
Well, I don't -want- a "pattern" for the gyms. And having more than eight gyms is a bit... odd. Especially with how leveling in PTA works.

Since Cairns would make a great water gym location, I was thinking of making Broome (since as it's been pointed out, it makes a good place for a gym) would be a psuedo-gym. Not an official league gym, but comparable in challenge and still counting for a level because of it. Like the fighting dojo in Red/Blue.

And I had meant to include a Drapion, but accidentally put Spiritomb in there twice.

Some of the types may be difficult to get a poison type for, but the game does have a Type Ace that can add Poison to an existing, non-poison type pokemon.

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Alright, I think I've got two more gyms worked out. Thoughts?

>>PERTH - GROUND TYPE
>Leader: ???
Trapinch / Vibrava / Flygon
Rhyhorn / Rhydon / Golurk
Numel / Camerupt / Claydol
Cubone / Marowak / Nidoking
Gligar / Gliscor / Torterra
Sandile / Krokorok / Krookadile


>>CAIRNS - WATER TYPE
>Leader: ???
Totodile / Croconaw / Feraligatr
Remoraid / Octillery / Wailord
Corsola / Tirtouga / Carracosta
Qwilfish / Frillish / Jellicent
Wooper / Quagsire / Seismitoad
Carvanha / Sharpedo / Kingdra
No tentacool/cruel because that's what they'd -expect-.

Adelaide should be Ghost-type, because of all the murders that occur there.

>>22959718
I've mentioned earlier but I'd suggest Port Hedland over Broome.
It's in a relatively similar area and having the worlds biggest export port

Any movies or TV shows that OP could watch to help?

All I can think of is Quigley Down Under...

>>22958605
Western Australia been under represented would reflect real life.

Three quarters of the states population lives in Perth.

>>22960736
Perth - Ground/Steel Type
>Leader: Gina
Vibrava
Krokorok
Steelix
Gliscor
Rhydon
Nidoqueen

For the actual gym buildings
Sydney - The Opera House
Melbourne - The MCG (massive cricket and football stadium)
Adelaide- Cathedral surrounded by parks. (Adelaide is known as the City of Churches and the CBD is entirely surrounded by parklands)
Perth- New Gym is in the middle of construction. Current Gym is the Perth mint (WA is known for its gold)
Darwin - The Brewery (NT's are known alcoholics)
Cairns - A tourist resort on the beach
Hobart - A convict era gaol

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>>22962049
Seriously?

>>22962437
Hm, that's a very good point.

>>22962649
He's joking.
Adelaide had one fucked up murder a few years back.

Something that may be of interest is that South Australia never had any convict immigration.
Every other state did with Tasmania and Western Australia having significant convict immigration.

>>22962631
>Darwin
And then one fire type sneezes and the entire party has to spend months in the hospital getting skin grafts.

I'm not sure if this is a strike against it or a selling point.

>>22962631
Forgot Brisbane
Make Brisbane a casino

Also pokies everywhere but WA
20% of the worlds poker machines are in Australia.

For that frog thing that drank all the water?

Politoad.

Belly Drum
Super Sonic
Hydro Pump
Bubble Beam

Drizzle Ability


It isn't an actual legendary, just a super rare Politoad that likes to fuck with people.

Because fuck.

It's a fucking Politoad.

Poli-fucking-toad

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>>22962691
Still, Ghost is a decent type and I may as well put it there.

>>ADELAIDE - GHOST TYPE
>Leader: ???
Misdreavus / Mismagius / Spiritomb
Duskull / Dusclops / Dusknoir
Drifloon / Drifblim / Drifblim
Gastly / Haunter / Gengar
Litwick / Lampent / Chandelure
Frillish / Jellicent / Froslass

>>22962799
Heh, I can see this. Party hears about a legendary pokemon, want to go investigate to 'dex / catch it. Fight through waves of croagunks and seismitoads and finally catches a glimpse of green. They move in, thinking they've finally found it...

And it's a politoad. "Well, fuck, we may as well catch it while we're here." they say. Then it opens up with the hydro pump.

>>22963786
Needs a Murkrow for the hell of it.

South Australians are known as croweaters

On a related note, I would like to broach the subject of gym difficulty. Gym leaders becoming more difficult only makes sense if either 1. there is an order in which trainers are expected to challenge the gyms or 2. gym leaders hold back depending on how many badges the challenger has.

The system I have been toying with uses the latter. All gym leaders are roughly equal to the elite 4, and tailor their challenge depending on how many badges the challengers have. A 0-badge challenger would have a very easy battle, or some other task like an obstacle course, while a 7-badge challenger would face the gym leader at their very best.

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>>22963975
That does make perfect sense.

Something geography related you may be interested in is the Nullabor.
It's a giant piece of limestone on the WA/SA border.

Has no trees and only shrubs.

If you are including Kalgoorlie (my home town) it's got a massive open cut gold mine and is also famous for brothels.
The water is piped 500kms from a dam next to Perth.

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Ladies~

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>>22963975
That is EXACTLY what I've been planning the entire time. That's why I list three columns for each gym, with the ones on the left being the weakest and the ones on the right being the strongest.

Moving along, have my first drafts for two more gyms:
>>SYDNEY - STEEL TYPE
>Leader: ???
Aron / Lairoon / Aggron
Beldum / Metang / Metagross
Pawniard / Mawile / Bisharp
Shieldon / Bastiodon / Bastiodon
Durant / Escavalier / Scizor
Magnemite / Magneton / Magnezone


>>BRISBANE - ELECTRIC TYPE
>Leader: ???
Joltik / Galvantula / Galvantula
Voltorb / Electrode / Rotom
Mareep / Flaaffy / Ampharos
Eleckid / Electebuzz / Electivire
Shinx / Luxio / Luxray
Magnemite / Magneton / Magnezone


So I need to narrow down types for Melbourne and Darwin. And I was thinking Grass-type for Darwin.

>>22964119
Why hello~ Want to take another shot at Sabrina, my favorite Grass/Poison type?