I grab the fading Rider and leap sideways several feet from the point of impact."Damn. I was wondering if firing from further away would keep you from spotting it.""By giving me more time to react?" I ask, surprised as Gilgamesh strolls into view."Well it would depend. Some people have a sixth sense for danger. The question is what triggers it in each individual case. If it were a person with a killing intent, then me standing far enough away would prevent that. If it's the weapon itself, then that means I could do it by tricking your perception of danger, or simply overwhelming it by volume.""... Isn't that assuming I have a sixth sense for danger?""Which is why I took the shot at your back. To see if you'd dodge." He responds calmly. "I think Avenger called this approach 'science'.""... That sounds wrong.""I wasn't really listening when he explained it." He answers with a careless shrug. "He also tried to explain how you managed to sneak off, but that only served to remind me of what I wanted to do to you for that flashy thing." He blinks, and then smiles like he's recalling a fond memory. ".... Which reminds me."A golden gate slowly opens behind him.[DC15 Combat]
Rolled 5>>24232601I am the bone of my sword, all that jazz.
Rolled 12But we made this check already
Rolled 3>>24232601I AM THE BONER OF MY HAREM
Rolled 12Shall we?
>>24232601this does not bode well
>>24232636>>24232637>>24232643OFF TO A BRILLIANT START
>>24232637derp, my mistake. saw the check at the bottom and thought you repeated the last post. Teach me not to actually read
>gilgamesh using SCIENCEthis can only end well
Well, at least we didn't have pic related...Oh, and Ebook updated: http://www.mediafire.com/?rgg2w2dowwhmdcx
>>24232707Just a failure, no crit yet...RIDER, don't you dare think about a heroic sacrifice!
I dodge the first two he sends my way, and deflect the third with a projected mirror of it.Rider manages to handle a half dozen with relative ease, but we both see one she won't react to in time. I project a sword with motion already imparted in the making and deflect it, but my distraction costs me a long shallow cut along my chest.Gilgamesh pauses, and smiles as though he's suddenly realized something.And then all his attacks seem to target Rider. Far more than she could possibly handle herself.[DC16 Human Shield]
>>24232727Don't.... don't bring that up. I can still feel the shame.
Rolled 11>>24232744OH FUCK YOU
Rolled 20>>24232744RIDER NUUUUUUU
>>24232757>>24232764The best human shield.
>>24232757>>24232764They told us we could be anythingSo we became Rho Aias
>>24232770well we are made of swords you know
Rolled 8>>24232744no 1 no 1 no 1
>>24232764>>24232757NO ONE HURTS THE GIRLSNO ONE
>>24232757>>24232764I swear the based dice god gives us circumstance bonuses the more Shirou our actions are.
>>24232757>>24232764HAHATIME FOR RHO AIAS
>>24232757>>24232764Gil dun goofed.
>>24232871The dice gods give us bonuses based on how funny our reactions would be.I mean, imagine we rolled 20s for fixing the bike. Best bike ever? Sure. Our reaction? 'Yep. That's a bike.'But throw 1s at us and AAAA AAAA FIRE BAD OH GOD HELP. Hilarious!
It's not a question of failure, I realize as I step directly into the line of fire. Rider will be hurt if I fail, therefore I will not fail.I can see Gilgamesh smile, and hear Rider's confused cursing behind me.The first six blades can be countered with projections, and I do so. It's hasty and sloppy, but it serves the purpose.The seventh I can't cast anything fast enough for, so I enhance my perceptions and reflexes; when it's within reach I reach out with the back of my hand and slap the flat part of the sword away with a sharp clang.I can't copy the rest fast enough, so I summon my twin swords to hand and set myself to deflect as many as I can. I manage to stop three of them before the shield appears, and I snap out of my extreme focus. When I see Gilgamesh's outraged stare at something behind me, I turn. When I see him, I understand."This wasn't the agreement." Archer states calmly."Your agreement was with Avenger.""And he told me that you would support the choice.""The hell is your problem?" Gilgamesh returns, calmed slightly but still clearly angry. "You're the one who really wants him dead!""If anyone but me kills him, his death is meaningless for my purposes." Archer shrugs as he steps in front of us. "If my greater goal can't be accomplished, I'll be forced to return to my secondary ones. Namely the destruction of people like yourself and Avenger.""... Are you threatening me?" Gilgamesh asks, more surprised than angered. "I could very easily destroy any two servants I wish. More if I bothered trying.""Any normal servants, certainly. I'm hardly a normal servant. Or did you not notice how Avenger practically begged me not to destroy the two of you that night at the ruins of the Matou house?" Gilgamesh opens his mouth to retort as Archer continues. "Besides, you wouldn't be fighting only me in this circumstance. Could you handle two fakers and a Goddess all at once?"
>>24233286Gilgamesh looks between the three of us and sighs. "It seems Avenger would rather let you destroy yourselves than have me do it. I suppose I'll have to find some other way to amuse myself tonight." He turns and begins to walk away, fishing some sort of music player out of his pocket as he walks.Rider glares at Archer as he turns back towards us. "Heel, woman. If I was planning to kill either of you, I wouldn't have declared my presence first.""....You know who I am?""I know everything." Archer responds with his same smug demeanor. Even knowing it's an act I want to punch him in the face. "Besides, if I were to attack you, I risk drawing the attention of your household. I don't doubt someone's going to be coming soon anyway.""So you're just going to leave?""For tonight? Yes." He turns and begins to walk away. He stops. "By the way, do either of you know who 'Malak' is?"".... Berserker called me that."He turns to look at us. "He called me by name, but he calls you Malak?" He shakes his head. "He wanted me to pass along a message. 'Do not be so angry, what happened wasn't your fault'.""Berserker's alive? And what does that even mean? Not to blame myself for what happened to him?""He said 'no' to that, when he said you'd ask. As for what he meant, he never told me. He said it was too late." He shrugs, disinterested. "As for alive.... he said we wouldn't meet again. Given his state, he's probably faded by now, since he was barely coherent at the time.""Wait, even knowing how things stand between us, you'd risk your life to deliver a message?" Rider asks, confused."Man's last request is a thing to heed. No matter the circumstances around it." Archer quickly vanishes from sight as he says the words, leaving me alone with Rider in the street. She looks at me, and I look towards home.[ ] Talk to Rider.[ ] Go home.
>>24233291>[ ] Talk to Rider.Well at least we can project the shield...
>>24233291>[x] Talk to Rider.
[X] Go homewalk and think, she'll ask us
>>24233291>[ ] Go home.Enough outdoor excitement for one night. Dinner calls. Then some stuff needs figuring out.
>>24233291[x] Talk to Rider.She'll probably pick up on Archer giving away that we're the same person. We should clear that up before she causes a misunderstanding.
>>24233291>[ ] Talk to Rider.I'm sure she's going to have some choice words about our actions here. Might as well here now.
>>24233382>here>hearYep. Going to be one of those nights.
>>24233291>[ ] Talk to Rider.Anyone else wonder where Archer is getting the Prana to survive? Unless B rank Independent Action + being summoned to the age he comes from eliminates the Prana cost of existing and any need of a Master to anchor him to this time, he should be running on fumes by now.
>people not wanting to talk to archer alonewhy?[x]talk to archer
>>24233414Archer is gooone, man. He left.
>>24233406Hes obviously mana transfering from Issei.
>>24233416sorry, need to pay more attention to detail, talk to rider then.
>>24233406Maybe he's taken up prostitution.
>>24233406>>24233418>>24233424>Archer on the ceiling, watching Issei sleep>Milks him>Issei mumbles shirou's name
"Rider? Something bothering you?"".... Did you really just use yourself as a shield to try and protect me?""... Yes?" I look at her confused."... But why?""Because you needed to be protected at the moment?""What if you got hurt?"".... I would've taken a hit protecting you?" I shrug, not entirely sure where she's going with this.".... But why?""I like helping people? I care about you more than most and therefore place a high priority on your safety?"".... But wh- You're bleeding." She seems to have switched targets for obsessing over."Am I? Damn. I liked this shirt." I respond as I look at the slash across my chest. As I stare, I see the cut slowly healing itself up before my eyes. "Huh. Well, I guess I can save on bandages at least." i joke, looking at Rider.She still seems dazed and confused.>Actions?
>>24233291>Attacks us out in the open>Comes to deliver a last message>Keeps straddling the line between 'enemy' and 'jackass friend'Goddammit Gilgamesh, you're supposed to be an arrogant jackass, not some wierd I don't even know what.He keeps giving me complicated feelings.
>>24233809You are mixing up Archer(EMIYA) and Gil, I think
>>24233797Head back to the house.>dazed and confused.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDv6cf2PBM
>>24233797>[ ] Dinner and mission debriefings.Lots of things to figure out.
>>24233797"Seriously. What's a little blood loss between friends?"She's needs to settle down.
>>24233797"RIDER! Stop looking so confused! I'm the hero and you were a damsel in distress, so I saved you. The fact that I'm a human and you're a Servant and a Goddess and whatever else is completely irrelevant to the situation. Now hurry up and swoon dramatically so I can carry you home!"
>>24233797>we still regenerate so it may be a permanent thinglolwut? i think this may actually prove we iz teh demonz.
>>24233797Head back to the house.Say: My blood is cheap, and my body was ready. I'd have done the same for anyone else.
>>24233851Yeah. Alright. Gonna have to go with this.It may well get us smacked, but later on she will be in a better position to appreciate it and will find it just as amusing as we do.
>>24233834No everyone's giving me wierd vibes.I swear Avenger's doing all this just to make us a genuine hero and prevent us from turning into EMIYA, and gerally fixing shit. (See non-corrupted Gilgamesh, non-evil Kotomine, ect)Hell even *Shinji's* become somewhat likeable.
>>24233851HahahahahaNo better way to bring someone back to reality than to say something so absurd that they can't help but react to it. I approve.
>>24233797say, "If I broke out the handcuffs whenever I decided to help you, would it make you more comfortable with the prospect?"
>>24233910Honestly, I swear at this point Avenger's an alternate Shirou who used the grail to become a hero or save people or something, and this entire series of events in somehow resulting from that.It'd explain why he keeps calling us 'brother', or whatever.
>>24233956HOLY SHIT.thats it. that is definitely it, we are a clone of shirou who is avenger, avenger is post war shirou who basically won the 5th war and this is a result of the wish he made.
>>24233956>eerily similar to us>keeps calling us "Brother">Involved in some mysterious evil plan>We've become masters of Tactical Espionage ActionNot trying to say he's the Liquid to our Solid, but he totally is.
>>24234005I'm more worried that he's the Solid to our Liquid.
>>24234018No, he's the one without a shirt.
>>24234124Yes, but he has also been doing things sneakily and getting the shit kicked out of him every time he attempts direct conflict. We just kinda wander in and sword people.Our tactical espionage action has been only recently. Avenger has been using it for pretty much the entire war so far.
Oh boy, it is the best time of the night.>>24233851Troll-shirou go!
>>24234145But he doesn't have a shirt, and we do.Ergo we cannot be Liquid, because we have a shirt.On a more serious note, you DO know you can play MGS guns-blazing right?
>>24234182I play it swordingly
"Rider." I gently place one hand on her shoulder. "Stop looking at me like I've grown a third arm. I have a reflexive hero complex and you were basically a damsel in distress. The fact that I'm a human or whatever and you're a Servant and a Goddess and whatever else is irrelevant to the situation."She turns to me, and lets out a flat, but far more coherent "What.""Seriously. Hurry up and swoon dramatically so I can carry you home. Before this gets awkward."It's the hardest thing in the world to keep a straight face as she stares at me, as though it would eventually make more sense. Eventually, she starts laughing. Not the sort of off, joking laugh she normally makes, genuine relieved laughter. "Oh wow. Alright, you got me that time. Well done.""Who said I was joking?" I respond, scooping her up.She smiles as I take the first few steps before gracefully launching herself out of my arms. "Now now, let's not make the other girls jealous of all the attention you're giving me." She says with a smirk. It's less certain than it was, but she's got her old footing under her again."You don't want to make them jealous?""That implies we have something a bit more than what we actually have." She says with a smile. "I'm not yours yet.""...'Yet'?""I'll be honest, you're better than any man who's shown interest before." She sighs as she begins walking towards the house. "Granted, your competition is horrible. Shinji was a pretty dramatic step up, on the whole."[ ] Go home now, clean up.[ ] Confront her while I can.
>>24234182Not to mention, we're the one solid snaking it into girls pant's
>>24234182shit son, that's the only way to play it.
>>24234145Yes but WE:-Don't know what the fuck is going on-Have a massive support staff of semi-helpful people-Have magic pockets we can pull weapons and gear out of-Heal at a rate only matched by videogame protagonists
>>24234198Uh, did you mean dramatic step up FROM shinji?Also,[x] Go home now, clean up
>>24234198I need to ask. What does this:>[ ] Confront her while I can.entail?
>>24234198[x] Confront her while I cankeep engaging the kinky spirit goddess.
>>24234198>[x] Go home now, clean up.Lets just to home, we had enough bother for one night.
>>24234198>[X] Confront her while I can.>Granted, your competition is horrible. Shinji was a pretty dramatic step up, on the whole.
>>24234228>No, she's basically saying that Shinji was a considerably better romantic prospect than anyone who came before him.>She says you're better than that, but 'Shinji' was basically the highest point the bars been set according to her until Shirou.>>24234231>Basically trying to push the topic while she's still being more open than she was.
>>24234198[X] Confront further.WE NEED TO KNOWWHO WAS THE COMPETITION?
>>24234273Well in that case, I definitely have to second[x]go home and clean upno need to push her into uncomfortable territory
>>24234198>[ ] Go home now, clean up.
>>24234198>Shinji was a pretty dramatic step up, on the wholeJeeeeeeez. And SHE'S been listening to US complain about relationship problems.>Confront her while I can.
>>24234285Well, in roughly chronological order: Posidon, who raped her. Various greek heroes, who attempted to kill her. Perseus, who DID kill her.
>>24234198>Shinji was a pretty dramatic step up>Shinji>A step upOk, now its time for us to have our own WAIT WUT moment. Touche Rider.>[X] Confront her while I can.
>>24234198[ ] confrontThe fact that Shinji was a dramatic step up for you is possibly one of the most heart breaking things I've heard. That's it everyone is surviving if only for the incredibly kinky victory orgy I have planned.
>>24234198[X] Confront her while I can.>Shinji a step up from anythingNo way we can let a comment like that go unanswered. "Shinji > Anything" is an equation that simply does not compute.
>>24234329>>24234324>>24234305>>24234285We KNOW who she is. We fucking told her we know who she is.We therefore know exactly what the competition looks like.>>24234315And it is probably not shit which we should be bringing up if we don't want to piss her off.
>>24234273>[ ] Go home now, clean up.But get a last word in..."Well, if the competition is so horrible that you'd use Shinji as a yardstick, then I don't have anything to worry about."
>>24234368Exactly, we shouldn't bring that shit up.Go with >>24234369
>>24234369Lets go with this.As shocking as that statement is, we know exactly what she's talking about if we stop and think.
>>24234362 here, changing my vote to >[ ] Go home now, clean up.In light of people reminding me of just how damn dark her story is. Not something we should be eager to bring up.
Bring it up because we didn't know Shinji showed "interest"
>>24234519That is a bad idea, seeing as we know shinji and how he would show interest
>>24234369Time for CLEANING. Mention not her past, that way lies madness.
>>24234198>[x] Confront her while I can."Okay, seriously, were your boyfriends the first time around all Eron Tabor or something?"
>>24234578>don't know who Eron Tabor is>google itOh.OH!What the FUCK, anon?That shit's messed up.
go home and be a family man.
"Wait, Shinji was a step up?" I ask, walking after her. "As someone who used to be his best friend, I'm fairly certain he tops out at 'self centered twit'.""Yes, well. That says something about me, doesn't it?" She sighs. "You know who I am, so you've heard at least part of whatever legends came after me.""... Some yes. Most of it's kinda centered around the... well, end.""Figures." She sighs. "I was originally was born from a desire to have a more perfect Pantheon than the gods of Olympus. Who were, frankly, petty assholes. The combined faith, or whatever else went into that, was basically enough to make two and a half perfect goddesses. Out of the three of us, I was the one with the least blessings." She turns to me. "By the way, having a hotter sister is still a curse that's difficult to overcome when you're supposed to eclipse the mortal concept of beauty.""Ouch." I respond with a wince."Yeah. Then eventually, someone did show an interest in me. Me alone. Poseidon." She shakes her head. "Not exactly the sort to ask before taking. And since I happened to be in a temple to Athena at the time....""... Yeah, I think I remember the rest.""Yeah. After that, well.... Things born of faith are shaped by faith. When they started looking at me as something to be feared and hated, rather than loved and worshiped....""This was dumb. I shouldn't have brought it up. I was just....""Surprised Shinji came out ahead?" She smirks. "He's not as terrible as some. A dog that gets whipped enough tends to develop a temper. He tends to be rather honest when you actually ask him these things, even if you don't like what you hear.""Still... I'm sorry."
>>24234636"Don't be. It wasn't you." She frowns. "Honestly.... I'm glad. Not just that your different. You care about what happened. More than that, you asked. You wanted to know.""... Actually, I kinda already did.""The written legends don't tell everything. Besides, it wasn't all bad. The bad might have outweighed and eventually overshadowed the good.... But there was a time there when I was happy." She smiles. "Besides, look at it like this. After something that bad, things can only get better.""That's a rather optimistic outlook.""I got it from Sakura." She responds. "After I was summoned, she asked me who I was, and wanted to know why I was the one who came instead of my opposite." She sighs. "I don't know all that happened to her in that house, but it says more than I ever could that the first thing she did was to try and cheer me up."We reach the front door, and I hear noises inside. Talking mostly.>Anything last minute to say before going in?>Also, I know the vote started swinging away, but it was already written by the time that happened.
>>24234640"For what it's worth, I'm glad you found something happier here."
>>24234640"Hey Rider, whats your stance on eavesdropping?"
>>24234640>No Worries.Time for delicious sustenance!
>>24234673We can hear voices inside. He's suggesting that we listen first before going inside.
>>24234640Ha! Ha! Time for food!Also we need to bullshit away why we have a nasty gash in our shirt.Actually, let's ditch the shirt before we go in. A different, lesser kind of awkward questions.
>>24234704We've probably still bled all over ourself.But yes, that seems like it could not possibly go wrong in any way.SHARK ATTACK TIME
>>24234640Either way, turned out better than expected.Going with this>>24234704>Walk in shirtless. Initiate awkwardness.
>>24234725>>24234704Well, what do we consider to be worse? Coming home wearing a torn, bloodstained shirt, or coming home wearing no shirt.Preferably the latter while mentioning we had hot coffee with Lancer while out.
>>24234704Thirding shirtless entrance
>>24234704It's not like we're going to go "Yeah, nothing at all happened." even if we do ditch the shirt. Better to just walk in, go "Breaking News: Gil is still a bag of dicks; Archer also kind of a bag of dicks, but at least he can't stand Gil. Movie at 11."
>>24234704"I am initiating a 'clothing is optional' house policy."
>>24234725>We've probably still bled all over ourself.Shirou looks better in red.
>>24234704Yes, yes, yes.Ditch the shirt. March in like nothing is wrong.Shark attack is far preferable to them worrying over the fact that our shirt is probably 99% blood-stains.
Is there some way we can come in dripping with water like he just got out of a shower while being shirtless?
>>24234769We're ditching the shirt so they don't realize we were injured again.Also to throw blood to the sharks
>>24234772There's nothing wrong with a guy walking around in just his underwear when he's at home, is there?
>>24234704>>24234777>>24234769>>24234725If pressed, we can say Gil summoned the shark and threw it at us.
>>24234777Upvoting shark attack.
>>24234704>>24234725>>24234752>>24234758>>24234762>>24234769>>24234772>>24234777>>24234783>>24234786>>24234794>>24234796You all do realize that this is probably going to make everyone that lacks a dick want to jump us even more now, ri--Oh fuck it. I'll vote for it too.
>>24234786There is when he has guests, Holland.
>>24234810>everyone that lacks a dickI feel like you're setting your goals too low
>>24234776>Shirou looks better in red.
>>24234838Well he does.Obviously, Gil thinks so too.
>>24234810My only regret is that ayako isnt here to feast on shirou.
>>24234786Some people even work better with less clothes on.
>>24234854Speaking of ayako, we should see if taiga intends to go back to school tomorrow.If yes, we should escort her there. And make a bento for ayako, just because.It'll also give her a reason to drop by. To return the washed containers.
>>24234854We could always just, take to walking around shirtless, just throwing on dad's old coat when we leave the house Liquid style.Then we just call her, tell her there's something she needs to see. Which is true. She does need to see our glorious abdomen, sculpted by archery, bared for all the world.
>>24234640Rush through the door proclaiming you're cooking dinner (or whatever meal is next), and NO ONE is going to stop you tonight.I'm sick and tired of everyone stealing our cooking opprotunities!
>>24234854>yfw she dropped by while we were out
>>24234882Cooking shirtless is DANGEROUS anon. Speaking from experience here, grease burns on your nipples are not fun.
>>24234877We also have a giant badass scar where Lancer stabbed us in the chest.I am reliably informed that chicks dig that sort of thing.
>>24234893Obviously, we're going to have an apron on while cooking.ONLY an apron.
>>24234895No, just, we did it for years so we've probably got, at the very least, back muscles for days.
>>24234863>>24234877I see, so this is where Archer got it!
>>24234906Do not invoke the naked apron lightly, anon. Its powers are legend.
>>24234906>>24234924>>24234938>>24234940/tg/ - Totally Gay.
>>24234938>that feel when ZnT will never be finished
>>24234906Like so?Hopefully Rin won't react in the same manner as pic.
>>24234953Why? Because the author is dead?
>>24234971Is he? I recall him having giant cancerous lumps excised from his body but Louise still being in the story, but I didn't think he had actually DIED.
>>24234994Yeah he's dead.His last tweet was hella hopeful too.I'm not even a fan and I feel bad knowing he died after reading it
>>24234971I won't believe it until I see the corpse.>>24234994Yeah, he died at 41.
"Out of curiosity, what's your policy on eavesdropping?""I suppose it would depend on circumstance, how much of a hypocrite Ii felt like being, and how likely I am to get away with it. Why?""Future reference." I respond, making a couple of small alterations."... Did you just take off your shirt?" Rider asks as I slip my coat back on."Yes. Luckily, my coat is pretty much undamaged." I tell her, slipping my shirt under one arm as we walk inside."Ah Sempai. You're home." Sakura says with a smile as I walk in to see everyone setting the table."Yeah, I'm just gonna go get cleaned up and I'll be right back." I turn and walk back towards my room as eye begin to go to the shirt under my arm and the coat opening slightly."Is.. is that blood?" Rin asks, surprised."Yep." I hear Rider answer behind me as I exit the room.I enter my room and walk to the closet, discarding the ruined shirt and tossing my coat to the floor as I reach for a clean one. There's a knock at the door. "I'm naked." The door swings open, Rider strolling into my room ahead of a surprised Saber and Rin. "And you just walk in?""You were lying, and it's not like I could catch a peep. Get mad at them." Rider answers easily gesturing to the other two."Shirou, you were injured?""Very lightly." I respond, slipping on a clean shirt, while Rin picks up the discarded one."Lightly." She responds, pointing at the bloody slash. She then hesitates. "Wait, this looks exactly like the one you're wearing. You have two of the same shirt?""Kinda?" I respond, looking between it and the one I'm wearing. Rin leans past me to look at my closet."... Everything you own is just copies of the same outfit?" She asks surprised, looking at me."Not true. I have the school uniforms." I respond, pointing to another part of my closet. "Besides, did you think I was just wearing the same clothes day after day?"
>>24235098"I didn't think about it." She responds with a.... unreadable expression. She feels somewhat confused though. "It's just... it's not even really close. It's the same clothes, over and over.""And?"Rin stares at me blankly, while Saber chooses to look between us with a measure of confusion. "This matters?" She finally asks."....Maybe?" I respond looking at Rin. "I don't know. I didn't think so, but....""Is she alright?" Rider asks confused as she gently reaches out to poke Rin."I'm fine." She says, looking at Rider, and then back to me. "This isn't weird to you?""Not really, no." I answer, trying to figure out why she thinks differently.She eventually sighs and sets the shirt down, and the four of us leave my room to head to dinner.We sit down, and I see Sakura and Rin talking about something that results in a confused glance being sent my way, before Taiga gets my attention. "So why did you come in here holding a blood covered shirt?">What say?
>>24235108"Gilgamesh threw a shark at me, but it's all cool"
>>24235108Apparently Avenger taught Gilgamesh science.
>>24235108"I tried to attack Gilgamesh's weapons with my torso, didn't turn out as well as I thought it would."
>>24235108"It seems Avenger taught Gilgamesh about the Scientific Method, so he decided to experiment with new and interesting ways to throw sharp objects at me.
I think throwing swords at people is Gilgamesh's version of pulling a girls hair in the schoolyard
>>24235179>new and interesting ways to throw shark objects at me.ftfy
>>24235108"Because it seemed that would cause less worry and questions than walking in *wearing* the bloody shirt."
Shenanigans aside, we need to bring caster up to speed on the current problems of the grail war.She's still working on incomplete info and we've been keeping her out of the loop.
>>24235168>>24235179Ha ha, yes.>>24235302That's what the dinner table is for.Item 1: WHERE THE BLOODY HELL IS AVALON?
>>24235302This is a fantastic idea.We need to make sure that EVERYONE on our team is up to speed.
"Apparently Gilgamesh thinks 'Scientific Testing' involves throwing swords at people." I respond."What?""To be fair, he did admit to not really listening when Avenger tried to explain it to him.""Huh." Taiga responds, taking a drink. "That didn't really make sense.""That's about where I am really. Except, you know, being on the receiving end of swords.""You're alright?""Minor scrape." I respond, waving it off.Eventually, everyone's seated, including Souichirou and Caster. Souichirou looks at Taiga. "So she's involved too?""Not really." Taiga responds. "Frankly, I barely even understand what's going on. Something about an evil genie fighting ghosts?""That's.... not entirely accurate." He responds, looking thoughtful."To be fair, we're trying to keep her uninvolved, and nobody's had a chance to actually explain things to her." I inject, causing him to nod and Taiga to give me a curious look.Caster clears her throat. "In any case, I found what I believe to be a suitable location. I just need to properly secure it tomorrow and I'll be ready to move out." She then frowns at me. "Before we get into anything else, I'm curious about what you meant. Something about the Grail not being what it seems?""That's a good a place to start as any." I respond, taking a bite of rice.[ ] Start with Zouken.[ ] Caster's evidence.[ ] Avenger.[ ] Gilgamesh.[ ] (Other).
>>24235108"I fell. Multiple times."
>>24235455[X] Start with Zouken.The old dog full of worms is still an issue.
>>24235455We should probably start with Avenger, seeing as he is the most obvious flaw with this grail war so far.
>>24235455First off, we should PROBABLY start with Avenger.
>>24235455Start with Zouken, if the grails creator says it's turning into a sentient hate engine, then it's probably turning into a sentient hate engine.
>>24235455>[x] Start with Zouken.
>>24235455>[X] Avenger.His existence is the biggest red flag at the moment.
>>24235494>>24235497>>24235498>>24235509>>24235516>>24235523Lets do both Zouken and Avenger. Zouken's testimony combined with Avenger's existence makes a reasonably solid case.Lets also bring up the false Lancer that appeared before Arc showed up.
>>24235455>[ ] Avenger.Starting out mentioning that "All Evil of the World" is a good place to start. You don't get spirits like that out of a pure and functioning grail.
Is sacchin at the table?Shes not been mentioned for awhile, now.
>>24235455Not the thing to start with, but>[ ] (Other)Kiritsugu's notes are relevant to this conversation, and help solidify that the theory that the Grail getting corrupted is not a recent occurrence.
>>24235539>the false Lancerhe one at the mall?That was Berserker.
>>24235539>before Arc showed up....That reminds me.Did we ever work out who jacked Rin's familiar all that time ago?
>>24235644No, the one in the forest.The one that was quite blatantly Zero Lancer.
>>24235649I thought that was Avenger since shinji was the one who had been drawing those black marks every where.
>>24235649It turned into black grail mud, so it was Avenger.>>24235657Again, Avenger. He summoned alter versions of 4th war Servants. He did it again in the 13th verse after we let Archer go.
>>24235671True, but...I dunno.After the way that Diarmund went out, and how he cursed everyone...I feel like there may be more behind it.
>>24235657Doppleganger courtesy of Avenger's Grail mud, if I assume correctly. He summoned other 4th War Servants too in the church siege.>>24235613Relevant indeed. A brief history of the Fuyuki disaster, relating it to said notes and the disparity of the gap between Grail Wars also bear mentioning.
Did this thread died?
>>24235876We are waiting for ACguy.
>>24235876Our burgers are hand-crafted from scratch. Sometimes they take a little longer to prepare than you're used to. Please be patient
>>24235886Did ACguy died?
"I have something of a working theory." I say after a moment. "That something is very wrong with this Grail War. Moreso than the fact that it's happening in the first place." " I sit up. "A few days ago, Zouken managed to speak to me about setting up a fight with Archer, and how things were going on. He told me two very important details. The first is that he was directly involved with the original creation of the Grail system, and that the Grail of this war wasn't the one he helped to make.""That's impossible." Rin responds. "He'd have to be hundreds of years old.""Yeah. I've seen him survive what amounts to point blank magical annihilation. I'm pretty sure he's found some way of cheating death, though I'm not sure exactly what he's done." I begin to list off things one one hand. "So we have a wizard who's old, intelligent, powerful, and directly involved in the creation of something that he says in not right. In fact, I believe he said that he thinks the grail is growing sentient." Ilya chokes on her drink as she hears that. I opt to keep going when Sakura leans over to check on her. "This is in addition to the fact that we've seen weird stuff from this war, and I've seen or heard of evidence that suggests the last one ended strangely as well.""But this is all information from a confirmed enemy." Caster responds. "Are you sure he doesn't want to confuse us?""You're overlooking three factors." Souichirou interrupts. "First, you're assuming he has motivation to lie when he might actually need help with something like this. Second, if he were spreading disinformation he wouldn't want to do so in a method that would unite his enemies. Especially when his servant is the one that's the worst at direct combat. Third, Emiya mentioned other evidence."
>>24235899"Yes." I nod. "All that was just from him, which is strong but not conclusive. Next thing to consider is Avenger: He's apparently an eighth servant that shouldn't exist. His powers are weird, and he's apparently incapable of dieing. He's plotting something, and he seems directly tied to whatever is happening behind the scenes. What's most interesting is that a Servant named Avenger was apparently summoned during the third war."Ilya nods, dabbing at her face with a napkin. "He replaced that War's Berserker. We aren't sure exactly went wrong or what happened, only that the original intent was to summon a god of some sort.""He's also said things alluding to the fact that he's weird and only making it weirder." I continue. "I also suspect that he's the one who's been leaving the weird marks around town, though I still have no idea why."[ ] Gilgamesh.[ ] Shadows.[ ] Vampire.[ ] Other.
>>24235908Gilgamesh, followed by Vampire.
>>24235908Either dad's notes (strictly the war part) or Gil's rant about "why killing the vampire was bad"
>I'd like to point out, since there was some confusion in the past, that what Shirou says is what you've been saying.>Namely, in situations like this, his theories are what you've been supporting, and his evidence amounts to the same thing.>Also, nothing he's saying like fact is in any way assumed or changed, but explicitly revealed to be so at some point.
>>24235908>Gilgamesh>Vampires>Shadows>other (Kerry's notes)In that order.
>>24235908>[ ] Gilgamesh.>[ ] Shadows.>[ ] Dad's notesMight as well tie in everything from the last war.
>>24235908>[ ] Gilgamesh.Besides working alongside Avenger, mention him needing those leylines, causing an earthquake and sowing untold death to the city.
>>24235908[other]It's day X and there's gilg and avenger out there. Let's do some fucking recon and then go on the offensive and kick their ass.
>>24235908[x] Gilgamesh.Saber said Kiritsugu ordered her to destroy the Grail. That may well have been because he sensed something was horribly wrong with it.She also said the 4th Archer, Gilgamesh, was close by. Some remnant of the Grail may have helped him stick around for the last ten years; we can only assume that's really not supposed to happen.
>>24235927Please only pick 1 choice at a time, ACguy might have a reason there are multiple choices.
>>24235945>Tells us to pick only one choice>Immediately after a post that was two choices rolled into one...
>>24235908>[x] Gilgamesh.We really shouldn't be showing dad's notes to anyone.
>>24235945[ ] Everything we know that relates to the 4th war.
>>24235908>[x] Shadows.I think we should bring up the shadows. But then again we might not be able to bring the discussion to the alter forth war servants because that would reveal saber's memory thing.
>>24235976Did saber ever even point out that they were heroes from the last war?
>>24235957>I can work around you guys sometimes, but it is easier on me when you grab one instead of multiple choices.>Usually when it's a huge deal I bitch about it to some degree, and sometimes it's easier to just combine two than wait for a consensus.
Does anyone else has problems posting?
>>24235993A few, yea
>>24235993AC- Guy's router has become sentient and invaded all of 4chan
>>24235993The whole of 4chan seems to have suffered an outage>>24235981Oh yea, we don't have any IC reason to believe that they are servants at all
>>24235938We ARE going to kil them eventually we just need to waifu spam first.
"There's also Gilgamesh. He's a servant from the last war. Apparently him surviving a decade is highly unusual. I'm not sure there's even a precedent for a Servant surviving the end of a war.""There's something vague about the Caster from the third war. Apparently they just up and abandoned the war halfway through with their Master and vanished." Rin comments. "We aren't really sure how long either of them might have survived afterwards. In theory a strong enough Magus could support them, since a Servant is like a really complicated familiar magically.""There's also the idea of using the Grail to create a true incarnate form, essentially making the Servant manifest fully." Ilya comments. "We're fairly certain it would work, but nobody's actually done it since none of the Wars have ended with a complete Grail.""If we're getting into weird patterns we might as well bring up the fact that Grail wars are supposed to be sixty years apart, making this one a fully fifty years early." Rin comments, and I nod along."Yeah. Getting back to Gilgamesh he did say things about how they're working with something that needs a lot of energy. That... worries me.""Well, yes." Ilya comments. "The Grail.""More specifically that they apparently saw the possibility of just burning the city down and using the magic made by killing everyone to fuel it." Everyone at the table turns to me. "I would like to note that I just found this out earlier today, that we don't know if it's the Grail, and the fact that Gilgamesh said that he and Avenger apparently didn't want to use that plan."
>>24236141"... It would work for the Grail." Ilya says after a moment. "Magic is magic. Harvesting souls is generally considered a bad idea not just morally, but practically. You'd need to 'purify' the essence of the person before you could use it for anything, but at that kinda of scale the effort would be trivial.""... That got dark." Taiga comments."That's business as usual as I understand." Souichirou comments. "Apparently that big fire was caused by the last Grail War."Taiga looks at him surprised. "What, really?""Actually, yes." I respond, sighing. "Which brings me to my next point. Apparently my Father more or less won the last War. The Grail remained incomplete because at the last second he chose to destroy it." Taiga looks at me surprised. "Which seems all the more odd since he seemed to really want it for some reason. I'm not sure what scared him off, but apparently he considered whatever the price was too steep."[ ] Vampire.[ ] Shadows.[ ] (Other).
>>24236146>[ ] Vampire."On a positive note, at least the vampire is gone!"
>>24236146Hey, is Arc here? Or Lancer?[x] Vampire.>>24236173"On a more serious note, the vampire seems to have been Avenger's alternate to the 'burn down the city' plan."
>>24236185>"On a more serious note, the vampire seems to have been Avenger's alternate to the 'burn down the city' plan.""And then we killed it. So now they might fall back to the "Burn everything" plan."
>>24236146>[x] Shadows"There is another thing, Avenger seems to have the ability to summon shadow monsters, but it seems like he cam summon people as well. There was this man who welded two spears that attacked me a while ago."
>>24236146>[ ] Vampire.Avenger takes a vampire captive for some incomprehensible reason, and then Arcuied shows up out of the blue since apparently the city is lighting up like a Christmas Tree on her vamp-o-meter, and it turns out to be a SINGLE vamp who is so weak that all he can do is scream and die when I decide to butcher him?Clearly something else is giving her vamp senses a false-positive, and since the Grail War is the only magical event of any significance going on at the moment, its likely something related. In any case, the fact that the War drew the attention of the queen bitch of all vampire hunters strikes me as a VERY bad sign.
>>24236146>[ ] Shadows.
>>24236227Wait a goddamn minute...>Avenger needs loadz 'o power>Captures vampire, paints runes all over the city>Arc shows up, looking for vampires>Vampire gets killed, apparently this ruins their plans for some reason>Arc gets ready to go on her merry way now that her prey is deadDon't tell me they were trying to capture her. She WOULD probably make one hell of a magical battery, if you could figure out a way to restrain her without dying horribly in the process.
>>24236257Pretty sure she could beat down a sentient, fully-powered Grail on her own.Problem for us that the city would get trashed. Probably a lot of the rest of the country, too.
Oh, looking back through things, this might be kind of a good thing to bring back up...>18th verse>I tried to find and change the grail to help me make an advantage." She shakes her head. "But there's nothing but dust and echoes. There are several sites where the grail could be summoned in this town, and none of them bear the marks."Caster tried to figure out where the Grail was herself, AND THERE WASN'T ONE.That's kind of a big deal, I think.
>>24236257>Trying to capture ArcThat plan is so stupid that only Shinji could think it.
After the dinner, we need to ask something privately to caster that she might overlooked during her search for a base.Can she cook for souchirou-sensei?
>>24236278Oh yeah, I was wondering what that "[ ] Caster evidence" choice at the start meant.
>>24236281Well we DO know that she can't use her Marble Phantasm if she takes too much damage (it happened in Tsukihime at one point). I mean, that almost NEVER happens since she's basically Vampire Captain Planet, but then again Gil does have an Anti-Planet Noble Phantasm...
>>24236316If it came to that, it would be no different than the "fire burning down all of fuyuki" plan, thanks to the incredible devastation
>>24236383Not necessarily. Remember that Enuma Elish is a directed beam, not a bomb. Provided it was angled properly it wouldn't necessarily cause much collateral damage, and considering just how convoluted their plan seems to be I think making sure Gil is pointing UP when he fires is the least of their worries.I dunno, im just spitballing ideas, but luring Arc is the ONLY thing I can think of that explains why they would need a weakling vampire like that.
>>24236316>Vampire Captain PlanetUgh, I just imagined Arcueid with a mullet...
"Then there's the Vampire. On the plus side, he's dead so we don't have to worry about that any more. On the minus side... well, he was apparently central to whatever plans Avenger and Gilgamesh had about not burning down the city or whatever the gloom and doom version of events was."There's a pause. ".... How powerful was that Vampire?" Rin asks, concerned."By Vampire standards? I have no idea. It did get beaten pretty easily by an amateur mage and a crippled woman, so it couldn't have been a huge threat." I shrug. "My main concern is that I have no idea what they could have been planning to use the Vampire FOR. Apparently he was important somehow though."Caster looks concerned, biting her lip. "I think you may be right. Too much uncertainty. Perhaps we can negotiate terms for the Ceasefire to continue until after we know more?""I'd certainly prefer that. I mean, if the Grail's evil and sentient, I'd prefer to know if we're actually fighting over who gets to unleash Satan upon the world or something."I get a murmur of agreement from the table. I notice Rin giving me an odd look from the corner of my eye, and Sakura looking concerned at both of us. Before I can say anything though...."So what of Lancer?" Saber asks."Apparently I have a meeting at Lunch tomorrow to speak things over with his Master." I answer. "Hopefully she'll be reasonable. I suspect she will be, since Lancer was acting as her Agent and we were able to cooperate fine.""So what's our next course of action?" Rider asks from across the table.[ ] Neutralize Gilgamesh.[ ] Neutralize Avenger.[ ] Solve the Rune Mystery.[ ] Investigate the Grail.[ ] Wait and see.[ ] (Other).
>>24236475>InvestigateWE NEED MORE INFORMATIONAs always.
>>24236475[x] Investigate the Grail
>>24236475[x] FIND THE GODDAMN SHEATH.
>>24236475Investigate fucking everything, grail and the madness that is Avenger's planWe need to find out if we even should be trying to neutralize Gil and Avenger before we jump on the sword handle
>>24236475>[X] Investigate the Grail.We need to figure out just how badly its been messed up.
>>24236475We need to solve the Rune Mystery. I have the feeling that its central to what they're trying to do.
>>24236514With Souichibro fixed we don't really need it for anything at the moment, since our superhuman healing capabilities seem to be working at full capacity.The only thing we would use it for would be giving Saber a trump card against Gil, but that would involve her killing him, rather than US killing him, and thats just not ok.
>>24236475> Harem time...err...I mean >[x] Solve the Rune Mystery.We need to piece together Gilgamesh and Avengers plans, and perhaps looking at their failed plan might me a good starting point
>>24236534Do we have to kill Gil at all, can't we all just get along?
>>24236475>[X] Solve the Rune Mystery.The Grail is scary, but it isn't going anywhere. Even if it is evil it won't activate until all the Servants are dead.We should figure out what the fuck Avenger is actually trying to accomplish, since according to Gil his backup plan is "blow the entire city to hell".
>>24236475Sounds like we need to have another dream-conversation with zelretch or merlin or whoever the fuck it is.And to follow some of lancers advice - we tell the girls that we're interested in all of them, romantically.
>>24236556>Even if it is evil it won't activate until all the Servants are dead.Actually, that's untrue - servants are mostly a means of gathering mana, if you do something like burn a city to the ground you can force-feed that grail enough mana to make it pop into existence.
>>24236534We could really use the FAE HAX shield.
>>24236556>>24236550>>24236525I would choose this but I believe that we should discuss this with a Rune Expert like Lancer. What we can do now however is to focus on [X] Investigating the Grail.
>>24236576Lancer's seen the runes, and he couldn't figure out WTF was going on.
>>24236475We should probably make sure we know what Arc's up to, seeing as she's the only vampire we know about left in the area. (Unless she's left already.)In case the vampire plan only needs proximity to a vampire rather than complete control of one, we should probably make sure she knows to stay on her toes even though the vampire is dealt with.
>>24236608We're meeting her for breakfast. that should be fine.
>>24236475> Solve the Rune Mystery.If we figure out what they're trying to do, we'll be able to stop it. Stopping Avenger from exploding the entire city is a good thing.Also once Taiga is out of the room, lets take Lancer's advice and get this Harem thing rolling. Seriously, at this rate its going to become a morale problem or worse, if my suspicions about Sakura are correct.But yes... make sure Taiga is out of earshot first. If she gets wind if this we'll probably get dragged out to the dojo and beaten to death.
>>24236611What are we feeding the vampire exactly?>>24236616You're saying you don't want to see this problem blow up in our face via extreme blockheadedness?
>>24236626Hamboigahs. She likes them I seem to recall
>>24236475Rune Mystery, those have been around for all together too long now.
>>24236626>What are we feeding the vampire exactly?People food, of course. Bribing Arc with food is a fairly reliable tactic actually. She doesn't drink blood, because if she did she would go full HURR BLOODLUST MUST FEAST, and she recognizes that as a not-so-good thing.
>I think the vote's gone to Runes, so I'm gonna go with that.>>24236626>Food. She doesn't technically need it, but Shiki turned her onto it and now she enjoys eating.
>>24236640Just make sure we hid our bloody shirt then
>Holy fuck, anybody else having problems with posting/browsing?
>>24236847Your router curse is spreading.It'll reach the military mainframe soon.Its only a matter of time now.I hope you're prepared for our glorious robot overlords.
>>24236876BZZZT. Question: Art Thou My Master?
>>24236894What class would the Router be? Avenger?
>Alright, So I'm gonna just hit 'send' and see how long it takes to happen.>4chan itself hasn't banned or blocked me or whatever, but everything has lagged all to hell and I can't get anything to work on the internet.>So that's it for tonight. If you want to try and keep it alive I'll run tomorrow definately, or you can fill whatever's left with insane babble to amuse me.
>>24237125You could try using Pastebin?
>>24237125Cool.We've got 38 posts left until autosage, which should be plenty to keep it alive until tonight, provided we post responsibly.
>DANCE, MONKEYS, DANCE!I'm wondering what we have to do to get Archetype to show up. Anyone got any ideas?>>24237149>post responsiblyYeah. Sure.
>>24237170Archetype Earth?Kill Arcueid's big sis which means killing Primate Murder, a nigh immortal vampire who can't be killed and another vampire that possesses a Reality Marble.Have fun with that.
Should we archive this?
>>24237902Last few times Anon's have archived F/S:A, the descriptions used seem to have annoyed AC-Guy. Let's just let AC-Guy do it when he gets back, that way he'll remain less annoyed.
>>2423790234 posts left to auto-sage.And I just woke up.Thread will be live for you guys by the time AC-Guy gets back, I promise.Let him archive it. Avoid the... issues we've had with the last few.....32 posts left.
>>24237170>I'm wondering what we have to do to get Archetype to show upOnly requirement is for Arcueid to be asleep. She said it's like sleepwalking, the other personality shows up when the one sleeps.
I think we should talk about Aiyuu Ou some more.
Ok, so who of you fuckers recommended "Hill of Swords"?I feel like my brain has been invaded by this shitty example of writing. And yet I'm continuing to read it until the end.Fuck this world.
>>24242121I loved that series.I didn't think the writing was too bad either. Definitely kept me hooked.
>>24236475>[ ] (Other). Servant swapping for starters.Sakura to Rider, Rin or Ilya to Saber.Time to maximize the team's fighting potential before heading to battle.Get non-combatants out of the crossfire.>>24236563Although there hasn't been any dreams featuring a wise-ass old man recently, it would help to inform the rest of the household not to wake Shirou when he's dreaming.Unless circumstances are really dire.
>>24244983>Although there hasn't been any dreams featuring a wise-ass old man recentlySpeaking of - when's the last time we actually slept?I know we have slept since then, but... I feel like it's been a while? Or has this just been a long (quest) day?
>>24242121Felt the same way, for how rough his writing is, he just has a way of captivating my ass
>>24242121>>24244824>>24245052It starts off okay, then goes downhill.
>>24246502Have you read/watched the Familiar of Zero source material?I initially had some trouble getting into HoS, until I realised that every single thing I found a problem with was actually him staying true to the source material, and every time stuff gets awesome is him bending the story to fit Shirou instead of Saito.
>>24246593I watched the first season, which is the only season, and nothing you say can convince me otherwise.
>>24246682I read the novels up to vol 12. There is a canon continuety of HoS. Not as a written story but GB liked the idea of a forum member. Shirou gets excominicated by the pope and he fucks halkegnias shit up with loiuse with the help of germania and tristania. He dies while trying to save some people against popes army or something.
>>24246878If you're trying to convince me to pick it back up, you're not doing a very good job.
>>24246878Do you have a link to this at all? I'm intrigued.
So, I've just realised something. Unless I'm missing something here, we haven't actually had a full day cycle of events since we saved Satsuki?An event which started on the... 26th Verse?
>>24249772I dont know, I lose track of time in these things easily and tend to treat every thread as though it were a new day (unless it was explicitly a continuation of another).
>>24249772I'd have to reread all of F/SA to figure out when each day ends and another begins, and how long we've actually been in the grail war.
>>24249945Motion for AC-Guy to put up a 'by the way, it is day X time Y' post after the opening posts?
>>24250042I second the motion, off hand I can think of two times that we've been confused on the time and almost made decisions that wouldn't make sense. (Going to the church for to swap information with Caster 12 hours early and offering Taiga dinner two or so hours after lunch. Both happened on the same in-game day.)
>>24249772Just skimmed the threads since the beginning of the "vampire incident" and, amazingly, you seem to be correct.We rescued Sacchin before lunch, had lunch and talked about emotional stuff, went shopping and talked with Avenger, realized OH SHIT TAIGA, ran off to save her, and got back in time to go for a walk, had a nice chat with Lancer, and heroically saved Rider from the dastardly Gilgamesh, all before dinner.It has been a FUCKING BUSY DAY.
>>24249910This is what I'm saying though, every thread since 26 has been a direct continuation.26 - We fiddle with the bike, then read Dad's notes to find Avalon. We try and project our Origin. We cure Souichibro. We go looking for Shinji, find him at the shed 27 break out Satsuki and go home. Find out about the kid spell. Talk to Rider about the bike, conversation carries through to 28, We hug Sakura, discuss romance with Saber. We have lunch with lancer, carries through to 29, where we go shopping with Rin and talk to Avenger. Then we freak out about Ilya being missing. AC-Guy reassures us. So we have a chat with Ilya. Then we call Taiga. KIDNAPPED by the vamp we freed earlier. We go looking for Taiga (with her panties?), find her at the docks. 30, we kill a vamp. 31, 32 Tactical Espionage Action getting home. Almost immediately leave again with Rider, meet up with Lancer and have a chat about cooking pork. Head home, [Reaction check!] -> 33 (this one)Hot damn we've done a lot "today".The only bit that gets me is that we should still have to wait another 24 hours or so before the bike parts arrive, but we were fiddling with it in 32.
>>24250343>The only bit that gets me is that we should still have to wait another 24 hours or so before the bike parts arrive, but we were fiddling with it in 32.Even AC-Guy can't keep track of what day it is in F/SA!
>>24250414>>24250264>>24250264I'm currently trying to skim through all the threads to try and work out where we are (unless AC-Guy actually does know)So far, I've gathered that Verse 8 starts in the evening of Day 6. This is assuming a dating method according to F/SN, in that we started this quest on the evening of Day 3.I have also deduced that it was a Thursday (assuming that the chosen response to Saber of "Today's Monday, right?" is 'canon' for our quest)I'm also currently trying to find the point that "today" started.Also, we should be careful now.Auto-sage starts in 10 posts, and AC-Guy isn't back yet.
>>24250518I've made the count twice so far to get a benchmark of how shirou was doing, compared to f/sn shirou.Lemme see if i can find it and resume my count from there.Also, start sageing your post, folks.
>>24250792But why? Saged posts still count towards the bump limit, don't they?
>>24250880Yes. They do. Alright, NOONE post until we at least hit page 8 from here out.Unless you're AC-Guy.7 posts to go.
"The next thing we need to do is figure out exactly what the deal with these weird runes are." I respond. "We honestly have no real idea what the deal is there. The only thing we even have is that Avenger probably did it, which given everything we don't know about him, his plans, or his motivations...."I get several nods around the table, and Taiga sighs. "You probably won't be coming back to school until this is settled then, are you?""That seems the wisest course of action." Souichirou comments. "Between the two of us, it shouldn't be difficult to create a convincing cover for them to be out and active."We end the tactical discussion there for the evening, and soon Taiga is headed home. Satsuki comes out from her room, sleepy and surprised she missed dinner even though Sakura claims she woke her.According to Rin, since she was basically the Vampire's emotional thrall she was going to be a little disorientated for the next few days now that he's dead.I step out into the yard, and notice-[ ] -Rin, watching me as she walks back to her room.[ ] -Souichirou, watching Caster teleport away.[ ] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.[ ] -Saber, standing near the shed.
>>24252273Holy Shit we exist again!
>>24252273>[X] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. We've given Sakura the least face-time so far, and she's the most prone to sudden outbursts of yandere crazyshit out of all the girls.
>>24252273[x] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.Purple power!
>>24252273>[X] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.We need to thank her for cooking while we were out there being all existential with Lancer and Rider. Shit was delicious.
>>24252273Sakura it is then.
>>24252273[ ] -Souichirou, watching Caster teleport away.
>>24252273>[ ] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.I get the feeling of the girls in our house, shes the best person to open up to regarding the fire trauma.
>>24252273>[ ] -Souichirou, watching Caster teleport away.we know nothing of the man his involvement in the grail war other than OOC stuff and should figure out where we stand with him and caster. maybe give him some advice on how to woo her since that's our best bet to get Caster to abandon the grail probably.
>>24252273[ ] -Rin, watching me as she walks back to her room.
>>24252273>[ ] -Souichirou, watching Caster teleport away.This would be a good time to talk with him. See what makes of ... everything.
>>24250518When you're done, can you send me all the dates and which thread they were in? I'll edit the E-book to include those so we don't end up doing this over and over again to figure out when what happened on what day.I think the "Today's Monday, isn't it?" is a joke and it wasn't actually Monday. F/SA probably started on the same day as F/SN, so we can work from there.>>24252273>[ ] -Saber, standing near the shed.
>>24252388Caster told us she stumbled on him while running from the person who summoned her, and then tried to kill her.
>>24252536Well yes, but we haven't heard it from HIM.Also we don't know he is an assassin dude who is a force to be reckoned with in close combat.
>Looks like Sakura.
>>24252273[X] -Sakura, packing away leftovers and glancing my way.We took some time like Rider told us.Hey baby, who's got two thumbs and shares your feelings on self-worth? Dis guy!
I stop in the doorway, and turn back. "Sempai?""Figured I'd help." I tell her, as I start packing stuff away. "I have a minute anyway."She smiles, surprised, and we clean up from dinner fairly quickly. "There. Now all I have to do is the dishes." She says, moving towards the sink. "Thanks, Sempai.""No problem." I smile, and shrug. I hesitate and she notices."Sempai? Is something wrong?""No, of course not. I guess I just wanted to talk.""About what?" She asks, tilting her head slightly, clearly concerned.[ ] About how you're doing.[ ] About our earlier chat.[ ] About Rider's contract.[ ] (Other).
>>24252923>[x] About how you're doing.Time to be a total hypocrite about this whole "self worth" thing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW--OBE6Dmc
>>24252923>[ ] About how you're doing.>[ ] About our earlier chat.
>>24252923>[ ] About how you're doing.
>>24252923[x] About how you're doing.And about how Shirou is doing, if it comes up.>our earlier chat... what was that about, again?
>>24252923Ask how she's doing.Captcha: poem ehecks.Let's write her a poem!
>>24252923>[X] About how you're doing.Tell me about your feelings Sakura.Shining beacon of empathy, Shirou Emiya, is here for you.
>>24253003let the cycle beginHow are you?I'm fine, you?Are you sure? It seems like somethings bugging you.I'm fine, don't try and deflect whats bothering you.etc.
>>24253090sounds almost like an "ara ara" contest, which ends only when someone performs the dreaded quintuple ara.
>>24253090It'll go on for a while until Rider walks in and shouts "Give her the dick!".
>>24252997>Let's write her a poem!Sakura is greatBut she does not let me cookGet out the kitchenShirou Emiya, haiku master.
>>24253090This ust breaks down into Shiro crouched behind the overturned table while Sakura throws things at him yelling "Tell me whats wrong" to which Shiro responds "Only if you tell e first"
>>24253123>>24253166The version in F/HA only stopped when Shirou picked her up and took her into the bath
>>24253182Last line should be "get out - my kitchen"
Holy hell.I just did a recount from my last count and including the 3 days of prologue, its the evening of day 11.For comparison, Fate Shirou has just killed Berserker and in UBW, Caster has just kidnapped Taiga.
>>24253419So we're ahead of schedule, then?Excellent.
>>24253419Well, berserker might be dead, assassin is gone in place of rider, saber can't really make full use of her noble phantasm at the moment, archer is sort of out of the picture... So were prettymuch right on track - aside from making Gil rage hardcore and murderizing the fuck out of vampires
>>24253419WHAT?That means that Fate Shirou is already beating us in both Bitches Fucked and Kinky Threesomes!UNACCEPTABLE!
"About how you're doing, for one thing." I say, and she jumps slightly."I'm fine." She answers, looking away."Sakura, I know you don't like to bother people, but you are the worst liar I've met." She looks at me, hurt. "I'm not angry, I'm not trying to insult or hurt you.... I care. I just don't want you shutting me out if I can do something to help."She stares at me, as though trying to come to a decision before sighing. "I'm fine. I'm worried, but fine.""About what?""... About a lot of things." She says. "I'm not even sure I should be here, since I can't do much to contribute. I don't have anywhere to go, so I just try and do what I can.""You know I'm not just going to throw you out.""I know...." She looks down, almost like she's going to cry. "I just feel like I'm in the way. Nee-san's teaching me, but the time she spends doing that she could spend on the war. Rider's practically your servant now, and all I'll be doing is supplying mana. When I actually do that. All I can really do is housework, and you don't even like that because you don't like depending on other people. I can't even just leave and be out of the way because then I'd be a burden you'd have a harder time watching. If I even had somewhere to go." She takes a deep breath, trying to calm herself as she turns back towards the dishes. "I know everyone says they don't mind me dragging them down, and I even believe them. I just... I don't feel like I earned all this, I guess.">Actions?
>>24253567At this rate we'll end up with a higher Gross quotient at the end of things, though.Remember, Fate shirou was foreveralone until he died and went to avalon.
Something for you guys.
>>24253588Have you told Rider you feel like she's my servant? because I can tell you she doesn't feel that way
>go completely afk for family reasons over the weekend.>come down with a cold the day before I leave>allergies nearly kill me the same day because I can't breathe through my constricted throat>miss scheduled shuttle during return trip. Driver saw me wave while confirming my ticket after running to ticketbooth, leaves anyway>miss my flight>next two flights completely full>Get new flight nine(!!) hours later>that one's delayed>get home. My cold is better, my perscription allergy meds arrived, family is alive and well>F/SA ran and as I watch starts up againAnd suddenly everything is better.
[X] Why would you need to earn the right to be treated as a person?
>>24253419Did you happen to note what thread each day started on or any other notes on the time? like I said >>24252435, I'll edit them into the E-book.If not, I'll go though it again to edit them in.
>>24253588"Sakura, Rider doesn't feel like she's my Servant, I assure you. Some demented combination of concubine, best bro, and matchmaker perhaps, but not Servant. Believe me, she thinks about you first and foremost."
>>24253588HUGZ TIEMand tell her that she isn't dragging us down and she hasn't earned anything (she deserves it?) and Rider wouldn't leave her for the worldsomeone else make it sound good, I can't
>>24253750I have been noting them down. Just that I've not rechecked the earlier threads. I'll get back to you when I've got the lot pinned down.Interesting note:Day 9 took Verses 17, 18.1 and 18.2Day 11 has been ongoing since Verse 26
>>24253588You do know that's not true right? Well me liking my kitchen is but not the rest. I know for a fact that Rider still thinks of you as her master. If it weren't for the fact you want her to help me she'd stay here with you all the time.Don't tell Rin I said this but she's really happy to be able to spend time with you y'know? She isn't putting on that fake face she wore at school when she smiles with you. Had you noticed?Most importantly you have every right to be happy. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with things alone until now but I promise that you'll never have to again. You're here because we want you to be and never think you're an unworthy burden.(Then hug her)
>>24246502That's how every single fucking Zero no Tsukaima crossover goes, though.
>>24253784Not that saying this will do much. Even if it's from Shirou a hug and a pep talk aren't going to change everything.Hmm, is a happy Sakura end possible without making her our girl?
>>24253862Maybe if we had a bro-tier friend to set her up wi-Anybody know a way we could get Issei and Sakura hooked up?
>>24253862By making all of them our girls.I kid of course that wouldn't work too well. Unless...What if we just hook up with Rin and Sakura? I mean Matou worm magic basically changed her dna so it's not technically wincest. That and Rin is a raging lesbian who is also Shirou sexual.
>>24253883At this point though, we may have inadvertently been setting issei up with Ayako.Think about it, we asked Issei to watch over Ayako and when we last spoke with her, she mentioned that Issei has been stalker-ing. We then proceed to tell her that hes A-ok.TL; DR, we need to find ayako.
>>24253588"Rider will always be your Servant, not mine. It doesn't matter how skilled of a magus you might be, that bond is about understanding and caring about each other. And believe me, Rider cares about you very much.And what do you mean by earning 'all this'? People who care about you? Friends? Nobody earns friends. Friends come standard. Friends are, in fact, mandatory."
>>24253883>>24253957Guys, Issei is Shirousexual. Although he may consider an Arcer fine too.
>>24253844That's how ZnT itself went and I thought it started out badly too.>>24253883Issei won't go along with it because a) He's grown up at the temple and believes that he should stay away from women, and b) he's gay. Possibly c) Archer has him covered for the time being, but that's unconfirmed as of now.
>>24253972>Friends are, in fact, mandatory."This is MY HOUSE, and as long as you stay here you are going to have friends and you are going to LIKE IT!"Joking aside, that might actually be a more effective strategy than treating her with kid gloves all the damn time.
>>24253972I like this.Let's go with this.
>>24253996>That's how ZnT itself went and I thought it started out badly too.Well, the idea of the crossovers is that the story is ideal for derailment through "what if?".There was that one story that had Alex Mercer summoned. Quickly turned to shit, though.I also liked the idea of her summoning of old Ezio, who gets really pissed at having been taken away from his family.
>>24254105That was cool until he got de-aged.There was also one where she summoned post-Instrumentality Shinji who carried Asuka's skull while Asuka herself provided moderately amusing commentary that only Shinji could hear.I dropped it when Shinji pulled a bit of brass out of nowhere to make Louise think she'd succeeded at the transmutation spell.
>>24253844Both 'A Green Sun Illuminates The Void' and 'Overlady' would like a word with you.'The Fearful Void' as well, to a slightly lesser extent.All three are written by the same author.
>Damn, I left hoping the course of action would be clearer, and I come back to shipping and fanfiction talks.
>>24254324>A Green Sun Illuminates The VoidThat's the Exalted crossover by EarthScorpion, right?New chapter of AEE when?
>>24254388Hugs + comforting words?Pick and choose your favourites from the offered suggestions.
>>24253770>Some demented combination of concubine, best bro, and matchmaker perhaps, but not Servant.We need to work this in somehow, just to see how she reacts to it. There are like five different levels of >implications that she could take from it, and which ones she comes up with could be VERY informative regarding whats actually going through her head.
>>24254462Might want to drop concubine though. We don't need Dark Sakura right now
>>24254388How long have you been running this AC-Guy?How often do we remain focused after you leave? Not counting the times you've caused someone to yell "OH SHIT!!" "Fuck!" or "[X] PANIC" of course.>>24253800>>24253972I'm leaning towards these.
>>24254485But thats like half the point of the statement. We've pretty much decided on not just settling for one, since its become abundantly clear that we can neither ignore the issue, but picking just one would cause potentially MASSIVE morale issues with the others.If Sakura is ok with sharing us with anyone, its going to be Rider.
>>24254537Or we could dump them all, to be with our one true love.Our new motorbike.We can be like that one chick from Golden Boy, only with a penis, and not desperately in need of a good dicking.
>>24254389Yes.I don't know. It's been so long. But goddamn the Gaghiel fight was amazing, best variation I've ever read, and probably one of the best Angel fights ever written. Kinda disappointed he decided to throw Mana in, though.
>>24254416>That's what it's looking like.>>24254507>Honestly, it surprises me how much you tend to miss/overlook/ignore.>I'm not trying to cause a panic or anything, but shit like the 'oh wait, Taiga got kidnapped' has been happening a lot in the background. You've just either circumvented it somehow or haven't spotted it yet.
>>24254210>I dropped it when Shinji pulled a bit of brass out of nowhere to make Louise think she'd succeeded at the transmutation spell.That's just evil.It seems like these stories start with the premise... And then they go nowhere.
>>24254597We are very attentive and focused thank you very muchhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUXXzN26zg
>>24254485Anyone with eyes and a functioning brain can see that there is something going on between us and Rider. Sure, even we don't know exactly what this something is yet, but its there. May as well come clean about it and work from there, rather than trying to cover up the fact that we seem to be just one good excuse away from kinky rough sex every time we're alone together.
>>24254578Saber and Rider would want in on that action too.
>>24254597>haven't spotted it yet.
>>24254597To be fair we were all OH SHIT WHERE'S ILYA and you were all SHE'S RIGHT THERE CALM THE FUCK DOWN about 3 posts before that.I believe I mentioned that when it happened.>the illliouCaptcha agrees with me.
>>24254597And then we also surprise you with what we do notice. Like Saber and Lancer being imposters.And by "we" I of course mean "That one guy whose paying attention"
While we're on the subject of blind spots, we still have no idea who is causing those isolated disappearances of ordinary townsfolk.Avenger and Zouken are the only plausible suspects, now that the vampire is gone.
>>24254723>whoseFuck, I'm going to bed.Hope Yandere Sakura doesn't kill us.
>>24254841Zouken makes sense what with us killing him those times he'd have needed to feed.
>>24255090They were happening before we killed him.
>>24255121Ah but then there was a vampire. See, logic'd!
>>24255224You know, Zouken fits certain descriptions of "vampire". How about we find out what AvengerGil were trying to do and, if their plan isn't inherently evil and likely to summon Satan, suggest that we switch ingredients in the recipe?
>MFW abductions are because of Lio for some inexplicable reason
>>24255279I think Avenger is using the grail to give birth to the actual all the evils in the world dude as opposed to himself who was created to take up his mantle. If all of the evils are exercised from the grail it would then be untainted right? This would allow Gil to use it on Saber without having her tainted by the corrupt mud. So Avenger is free'd from his role Gil gets Saber and we just have to kill Satan. Yeah probably went completely off track there, need more hints.
>>24255357He isn't in the fate universe. The Shiki's were stated to not be able to exist at the same time. Unless it's in carnival phantasm.
>>24254841>we still have no idea who is causing those isolated disappearances of ordinary townsfolk.It could always be a perfectly mundane serial killer.For a given value of 'mundane'
>>24255431Nothing's stopping "Ryougi Shiki" and "Nanaya Shiki" from being born in the same timeline. It's "Ryougi Shiki with the Mytsic Eyes of Death Perception" and "Tohno Shiki with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception" that can't exist together. Unless something crazy happens like Archetype Earth or Zelretch happens.
>>24255480That is what I meant though, both Shikis as we know won't exist at the same time.
>>24255518What *I* was saying was just because Ryougi can't be around as we know her doesn't mean Lio doesn't exist and doesn't grow up to be a serial killer.
>>24255557Yes, but are you still cool?
I grab Sakura and pull her into a hug. "First of all, you don't have to earn anything. You deserve to be treated like a person. Secondly, nobody sees you as a burden. My issues are my issues, and you don't need to worry about that. That you're here and want to help is enough."She trembles in my arms. "But... I....""You also said something about Rider practically being my Servant. Which.... isn't true. She sees me as.... Honestly, I don't even know any more. I think she was trying to play matchmaker between me and someone else, then she said something about herself, and then she kinda started jokingly flirting....""...What?""Yeah. That stuff is already a mess and I'm pretty sure she's obfuscating stuff in part because it amuses her." I sigh. "Here's the real point though. She's never seen me as her Master. The only person she's ever referred to as her Master was you, even when she was running around with Shinji."Sakura tries to pull away, protesting "Sempai, I'm.. I'm not...""I don't care. I don't know what's bothering you, or why you think it would bother me. Here's what I do know: you're one of thei most important people in my life, and it kills me to see you shut everyone out like this. Dammit, I WANT to help. Let me help. Even if all I can do for you is listen, I'll do it."Something about her resolve breaks, and she throws her arms around me and starts crying. I'm not really sure what I expected, but this wasn't it.I let her cry, standing there comforting her. I don't try and calm her down, and I can tell she's been keeping this bottled up for a while now. I notice Saber stick her head in, and look at me questioningly. She leaves as quietly as she can after deciding that privacy was what Sakura and I needed most.After a little while, Sakura slows down and stops crying. "Sorry...""Stop apologizing. You have never said or done anything to me that warrants an apology." I give her a squeeze and a gentle kiss on the forehead. "Feeling better?"
>>24255580"... Yes." She responds, almost beaming. "Thanks, Sempai." I let her go, and she turns back towards the sink. ".... I'm going to go ahead and do the dishes before the food gets stuck on or something.""Alright. Let me get out of the way then." I tell her with a smile as I step back out of the kitchen.I walk back into the yard, and I see Saber standing watch. "Is she alright?""Yeah. I think so." I hesitate, and look at Saber after a moment. "You aren't going to ask?""If I needed to know, you would tell me." She answers simply. She tilts her head slightly. "Is there anything else?"".... Actually, were you looking for me or something? You popped in....""No, I just noticed you go back in and was wondering why you were there for so long." She shakes her head. "I'm not prying or anything, I was just wondering what caught you attention like that."[ ] Talk to Saber about(?)[ ] Go talk to someone else (?).[ ] Other.
>>24255553But isn't his growing up and having his origin unlocked dependant on shikis presence?
>>24255518I'd say what would that have to do with Lio, but In order for Lio to start eating people he'd need Araya to awaken his origin. Araya won't waken his origin unless he thinks he can use Lio in some way to get to Shiki. Araya won't give a fuck about Shiki if she doesn't have the MEoPD, and since Tohno Shiki has them, Lio doesn't matter.
>>24255591My memory of Kara no Kyoukai's timeline is a bit iffy but doesn't he start killing before Souren finds him?
>>24255462>SatsujinkiYour mind cannot comprehend the true form of how fucked we'd all be.>>24255404Not necessarily? "Giving birth" to Angra Mainyu entails completing the Grail System and making a tsunami of mud and shadows. Merely INCARNATING Angra Mainyu is an entirely different matter. For one, who knows if it's possible to entirely separate the curses that make up Avenger from the Grail anymore? If it is possible, if the Grail is completed and wished upon/Root access is opened through the Great Grail AND THEN Angra Mainyu is slain... That's enough bullshit concept h4x to work in Nasu.
>>24255588Go find kuzuki and find out what he thinks of Caster and his thoughts on how things are going and if he has any intel.
>>24255480>You know, I'm curious about this.>Why aren't they? My main exposure to Nasuverse is stuff directly related to Fate/Tsukihime and /tg/ threads related to them.
>>24255588[ ] Talk to Saber about sparring
>>24255588>[ ] Talk to Saber about(?)Caster setting shop elsewhere and how she's feeling about being Caster's Servant for a good while now.Questions about whether Caster dressed Saber in various outfits while nobody was looking is optional.
>>24255588[x] Ask her if she wants to be hugged as well.
>>24255588[x] Talk to Saber about our talk with Lancer and Rider.Also bring up trying to contract again. Last time was a bit of a rush job, maybe if we sit down and work at it we might get somewhere.
>>24255660Its because apparantly only one person can have the MEoDP.Which I'm 99% sure is an intentionally decieving statement since Tohno doesn't really have them, just something that ACTS an awful lot like them.
>>24255635Yeah, he only gained his superhuman powers then, and the police probably would have caught him if Lio didn't starte eating the evidence after Araya awoke him to his origin. >>24255660Nasu saying that only one person can have the MEoPD, and explaining away KnK and TH as canon with 2nd magic.
>>24255660Author fiat, mostly. Their MEoDP work differently anyway.
>>24255660It basically comes down to "Nasu said so."Something about it being so insanely improbable for even ONE person to get MEoDP that even in the infinite kaleidoscope two people having it at the same time in the same timeline just does not occur.Also a detail about how Touko in KnK is looking to create the perfect physical body as her path to the Root, which pretty much sums up Arcueid, so vampires can't exist in KnK-timeline either.
>>24255588>[X] Go talk to SouichirouSensei I wouldn't expect you to freak out, but you seem to take this Magic! surprisingly well. How'd you meet Caster anyway?
>>24255701Changing my vote to this
>>24255743>Arc>PerfectExcept for the whole, you know, bloodlust, high chance of going completely fucking insane, and susceptibility to possession by Crimson Moon.Which are pretty fucking huge flaws.
>>24255719Not true, it's SHIKI/Roa that has intentionally deceptive mystic eyes.Ryougi's and Tohno's work slightly differently, but since the end of every existence in the Nasuverse returns to its Origin, in the end the two of them see the same thing.
>>24255784No, Tohno's Eyes allow him to understand existences that he sees. Its how he recognized what Arcueid was on sight.When he died and was brought back, his hereditary Eyes saw death/the origin/whatthefuckever and he understood it. Which is where his 'MEoDP' come from, and why its burning out his brain rather than making him go blind or whatever.Incidentally this is why the Mystic Eye Killers aren't really working out for him - his Eyes are slowly understanding them and thus weakening the glasses power over them.
>>24255719>>24255784The only difference between their MEoDP is what is trying to understand the lines of death. For Tohno, it's his brain and he risks turning into a vegetable each time he uses them. For Ryougi, it's the root itself that processes the lines, so she can cut like a maniac all day and not be bothered.
>>24255768Well, if you look at Archetype-Earth, she doesn't have any of those flaws, except for maybe the last one already happeneing
>>24255843I like that idea, but is there a source or is that just brilliant fanon?
>>24255701>Can you clarify what you mean by this?
>>24255768The first two are acquired flaws. She didn't have her bloodlust until Roa tricked her into drinking his blood, and the insanity is a side-effect of the bloodlust. Plus, they're mental, not physical.And the last one isn't a bug, it's a feature. Crimson Moon consented to becoming the template for True Ancestors in the first place as backup bodies, and Arcuied is one of the two closest imitations to the original, and the more stable of the two. Of COURSE he'd possess her when she's ready.
>Anyone else suddenly having connection errors?
>>24255938Seems to have fixed itself.
>>24255938yes I am
>>24255907I can't remember exactly where I got it from, but I'm pretty sure the idea was sparked from learning the nature of Shiki's father's Eyes and what they did. When you realize that Shiki himself possesses those exact same abilities (which are most blatantly displayed in Kagetsu Tohya whenever he takes off his glasses and sees that everything is fucked up) its not that hard to put two and two together.I remember that I might have found some harder evidence somewhere but fuck knows, its been ages.
>>24255915I meant, talk about what Lancer and Rider had to say about Shirou and his behaviour and motivations (ie SAVESAVESAVE). You know, the whole 'IS THIS WHO I REALLY AM?' identity crisis shtick. Except less crisis-y and more Emiya 'I don't have time to panic' Shirou .
"Actually, do you have a minute?" I ask, looking at her."Of course." She responds with a smile, and we sit down. "Something on your mind?""Kinda. Do you think there's something wrong with me?" Saber does a double take and opens her mouth before stopping to let me continue. "I spoke to Lancer earlier, and with Rider on the way back before we got ambushed..." I sigh. "I don't know. I got some perspective on stuff. Apparently other people seeing signs that I have some kind of issues.""And you don't think you do?""Well.... no. I remember hearing an expression a long time ago about how no crazy person actually thinks they're crazy. So me not noticing it might not mean nothing's there." I try not to look as uncomfortable as I feel. "It's no one big thing, it's a lot of little things that don't really add up when you examine it. Lancer said that he thought I was supressing something bad.""What else did he say?""Other than light hearted ribbing for not taking advantage of the abundance of women running around?" I shake my head. "Why did I even bring that up?""You have a way of deflecting concern and criticism around with a dry humor." Saber answers, smiling gently. "Take your time.""... Thanks. His main guess was that it has something to do with the fire, and he suggested not trying to actively pull on it and trigger memories. Apparently if the mind blocks it, it's for a reason.""And that bothers you.""Yeah. If there's something wrong with me, I'd like to know. I want to fix it and move on." I hang my head. "And then Lancer asked a question that's been really messing with my head. If I wanted to be better because I want to be better, or if I wanted to be better because I don't want to waste time taking care of myself when I could be doing things for everyone else."Saber cringes visibly. ".... Now I can see why you're concerned. That does sound like something you would do."[ ] Tell her something else (?).[ ] Ask what she thinks.
>>24256194>[X] Ask what she thinks.I've mentioned plenty of times how I think you're doing your life wrong. Any opinions for me?
>>24256194[x] Ask what she thinks.
>>24256194i personally think if we were going to talk about the fact that archer doesn't hate us because he doesn't even think we are the same person, it should be to saibah.
>>24256194>[x] Ask what she thinks.
>>24256194[ ] Ask what she thinks.Ask her if we smile
>>24256194>[ ] Ask what she thinks.
"What do you think?"".... I think that you're one of the nicest, most selfless people I've known." She responds, putting a hand on my back. "I don't think all of that comes from whatever happened to you. You had to be a good person of some kind well before any of that." She hesitates. "I think the fact that you're even concerned about it says a lot. I think it would be better if you wanted to fix what whatever might be wrong because YOU wanted it fixed, not because you think someone else would want it. Not even us.""... Do I smile?""What?""Something Lancer said. He told me I never gave a real smile."".... You're a very serious person." Saber answers. "Generally you tend to smile like you want to remind people that you're not unhappy. I have seen you smile a couple of times though. You were smiling when you spoke to Ilya the other day. She started crying about something, but you just held her smiling. You also gave Rin a rather genuine smile that night when we fought Berserker." She looks at me. "You smiled when you saw Sakura come out of her Surgery alright." She shakes her head. "I just don't think you're the sort of person to laugh and smile a lot. Maybe that's because of something that happened to you. God only knows what kinds of scars we might all collectively bear."I'm not sure it resolved anything, but something about talking to Saber makes me feel better. Maybe it's just knowing that she has my back unconditionally."Thanks.""Of course." Saber answers with a smile. "Anything else you wished to speak of?">?
>>24256475Ask her to spar if she has some free time
>>24256580another to try again. Avenger DID say we have a soul
>>24256557Isn't it a bit late to be sparring?...Maybe tomorrow morning instead?
>>24256580This isn't Fate/QB, Caster. Wait until we're back in Washington.Seriously though, if we're going to talk about contracts let's ask Saber if she'd rather be partnered with us or with Rin. Make sure to point out the obvious statistical advantages to parterning with Rin, as well as the fact that Rin and Shirou by far have the strongest alliance and coinciding goals in this Grail War.
>>24256654>strongest alliance and coinciding goalsIf by "coinciding goals" you mean "Rin has given standing docking clearance to the USS Shirouprise D", then I have to agree.
>>24256630We just had Dinner its not like its 2am
>>24256557Spar, yes.Saber is at her full potential with rin. I'd rather let her contract with her.
>>24256475>[ ] Ask how to deal with cursed swords that incite battle lust.Then maybe a light spar once that's taken care of.
>>24256702Yeah, but prior to sparring we did, today, run out to the woods, get shot in the arm by Shinji, fight a vampire, run back from the woods, run over to the docks, fight a vampire AGAIN, almost get taken over by a bloodthirsty semi-sentient noble phantasm, run away from Gil BACK from the docks, went out again, and got stabbed.It's been a bit of a busy day. We're probably not at our best.
>>24256772Death does not wait for you to be ready! Death is not considerate, or fair! And make no mistake: here, we face Death.
>>24256772you forgot the part where we fixed the bike and we just had a really emotional episode some exorcise is exactly what we need
>>24256806But we made sure Taiga stayed out of the kitchen.>>24256701That's one part, yes. The other part is that neither Shirou nor Rin have a wish, and their prime objective is to conclude the Grail War without (civilian) casualties. The part you mentioned is the kind of touchy-feely-cootie thing our Shirou is allergic to.
>>24256475Let's go soak in the Spar.
>>24256813>exorciseShirou those are my feelings, I'm not possessed I swear!
"Out of curiousity, I know Rin would make a better Master than me. Would you prefer her?""To you? No. To most everyone else, yes." She frowns at me. "I like her, I think she's a good person on the whole. But Shirou, YOU are my Master. You're by far the most altruistic person in this war, and you've shown exceptional dedication to whatever causes you've devoted yourself to. I would be very surprised to see you not make it to the end of the war.""... You'd be kinda crippled by my lack of skill as a Magus though.""If power and effectiveness were my only concern, your Father and I would never have been at odds." She looks at me. "I trust your judgement. I wouldn't object to Rin or Ilya being my Master. You find them trustworthy, and I trust your judgement.""You said-""You asked me what I would prefer, and I gave you my answer. I would prefer the one I trusted completely and utterly to the one I trust ALMOST as much." She smiles. "In truth, I wouldn't mind being weaker or bound to someone else if it meant being with you."There's a moment of silence before her eyes go wide. "No, I know what you meant." Saber relaxes visibly. ".... Even if you totally meant something else too."The sudden backhand catches me almost completely off guard. Almost. Leaning with it robs most of the force, but Saber seems coldly satisfied with the warning shot. "Even if something like that were true, which it's not, teasing a lady isn't a proper thing to do.""I thought you wanted me to treat you like a partner and a warrior first." I ask levelly, keeping my tone and face neutral.She stares at me with a note of irritation that can't quite find a target in my blissful idiotic expression. ".... Sometimes...." She says with a sigh as she turns away to... hide a blush?What.>Actions?
>>24256885>>24256813Goddamn fucking Homonyms.
>>24256908Hug the Saber.
>>24256908Yes Saber, relish in your Tsun for it shall soon be dere
>>24256908"Well then. Now that everything's nice and awkward, how about some nice physical exercise to take our minds off of it.So, Sparring, then?"
>>24256908YESYES SHIROUNOW IS THE TIME[X] Clumsy come-on attempt
>>24256908she already landed the first blow time for a fight
>>24256908Hug Saber"But Saber, I tease everyone else. If I don't do it to you too, they'll start thinking I'm playing favorites!"
Rolled 42>>24256959>"Well then. Now that everything's nice and awkward, how about some nice physical exercise to take our minds off of it."This is excellent and in no way can it backfire on us. I support this.
>>24256983Counter with a grapple!
>>24256959Replace "some nice physical exercise" with "we get all hot and sweaty", but other than that, this.
>>24256908To affect Saber this much... what rank Charisma does Shirou have?"Saber... thank you. I don't think I'm worthy of your faith in me, and every day that goes by it seems I'm even deeper in over my head. But I know that meeting you has changed me for the better. Thank you for coming when I called. I'd be proud to fight at your side again, no matter what comes."Fun fact: One theory Gen Urobuchi proposed is that Prototype Saber is Shirou after time travelling, having taken up Excaliber in Saber's place.
>>24256908>"I thought you wanted me to treat you like a partner and a warrior first." I ask levelly, keeping my tone and face neutral.I suspect Saber isn't the kind of person who's pro-teasing even on the partner or warrior axes.We should probably acknowledge that we know that "first" doesn't mean "exclusively", and her criticisms will be noted and promptly ignored, since Shirou isn't terribly capable of resisting his Snarking Impulse.>Actions?We should probably talk to Souichirou while Caster's off doing her new domain stuff. There's almost no other time we're ever going to get to talk to him away from Caster, and since he's about the straightest straight man who ever did deadpan we're probably not going to have to beat around the bush to get his feelings on the Caster matter/how he came to be a master.
>>24257092>Fun fact: One theory Gen Urobuchi proposed is that Prototype Saber is Shirou after time travelling, having taken up Excaliber in Saber's place.Then does that mean the reason his Excalibur is different than Arturia's is that he altered it like Archer altered Kanshou and Bakuya?I like it.
"So." I say standing up, projecting a Bokken. "Now that we've gone and gotten all awkward about it, what say we go and get real hot and sweat to get our minds off unimportant things?"Saber's head snaps back so quickly I would think she got whiplash. She opens her mouth to say something, blushing so hard that I think her cheeks would try to bruise.She stops when she sees the wooden sword, and she stares at me disbelievingly."What?" I ask, with the moist neutral expression I can manage.Her embarrassment quickly turns to something like anger. "I take it back. Clearly you're some form of ill mannered scoundrel." She says, standing and walking towards the Dojo.I follow, unsure of where the sinking feeling in my gut is coming from. We take up our swords, and stand a few paces apart. "Whenever you're ready." Saber says lightly, as though it was the most meaningless thing in the world.[DC20 Combat check]
>>24256908Actual sparring match that in no way ends in carnal relations. At all. No wink. No nudge.
Rolled 18>>24257159We can do this.It's only a nat 20.
Rolled 14>>24257159Ahahahahaha we're dead.
Rolled 6>>24257159We are so fucked.
>>24257139>Then does that mean the reason his Excalibur is different than Arturia's is that he altered it like Archer altered Kanshou and Bakuya?Fuck all if I know. Urobuchi also says that Saber Lily is Saber after Caster mindbroke her until she liked it.>>24257159GENTLY CARESS. Can we use my suggestion >>24257092 after Saber puts us through the meatgrinder?
Rolled 19>>24257176>>24257172>>24257171Saber is going to hurt us more than Gilgamesh and the Vampire managed, put together, isn't she?
Rolled 10>>24257159nat 1 nat 1 nat 1 nat 1 nat 1 nat 1 nat 1
Rolled 13>>24257171>>24257198>18>19Soooo cloooose
>>24257171>>24257198>18>19We could have beaten Gil with these rolls.
>>24257159Oh god we're gonna die.On a vaguely related note, does anyone know what happened to that HP nasu quest?
Rolled 2Well, if we get another 19 it won't be toooo bad.Captcha - Seqaate swordAwwww yis.
>>24257159>moist neutral expressiontake a bow, autocorrect
Rolled 8>>24257159I am the boner of my dice.
Rolled 6>>24257194>Fuck all if I know. Urobuchi also says that Saber Lily is Saber after Caster mindbroke her until she liked it.That one never made any sense to me. Other than the white outfit, there's nothing linking them. Hell, the fact that she has Caliburn kind of nips that theory in the bud.Seconding the use of >>24257092 though. I was thinking the same thing.
Rolled 92I vote we say "Good, good. I see that your skills are as sharp as always even if you haven't fought in a while Saber" when she beats our ass on the ground.
>>24257258Well.One version of Saber Lily would be one that went along with Casters secret cosplay desires.
IST THOU WROTH, SABER?DOEST THOU DISLIKE MINE UNCOUTH IMPLICATIONS?
Rolled 14I'm going to keep rolling until I do get a natural 20, just to see how long it takes.
Rolled 14>>24257321I'm reminded of this ill mannered scoundrel.
>>24257258Her design was inspired by the dress Caster placed on Saber after she was captured during Unlimited Blade Works.The design was filled with the feminine qualities that Saber lacks, and "Lily" in her name refers to her skirt being designed to resemble the petals of a lily flower. She has no background information within unlimited codes or other side materials, but Nasu Kinoko and Gen Urobuchi joke about her being a version of Saber fully tamed by Caster during a discussion.Uro: What I imagine is that for the Saber Lily storyline, in Fate/stay night, Saber was completely beaten by Caster, and so she became one of her Servants. Like, she thought "I'd be way better off with Caster than with Shirou." (Laughs)Nasu: I never thought of that. Interesting. So in other words, the white dress represents how both her body and soul have been tamed by Caster. So Lily is truly like a "lily" to Caster... you crazy bastard, you did it again...Takeuchi: Lily's design was inspired by the dress she wore when Saber was captured by Caster. Then, we just filled it with feminine qualities that Saber lacked and it became what it is now. So basically, I think Urobuchi really hit it close to the mark.Uro: Really?! Lily looked like a villain to me from the moment I saw her. Imagine her appearing from behind Caster, really working those heels! Just thinking of it gets me excited!
>>24257265We should just say "You look cute when you're angry"and watch the dere
Rolled 20>>24257336We're so pwned.
>>24257337>Uro: Really?! Lily looked like a villain to me from the moment I saw her. Imagine her appearing from behind Caster, really working those heels! Just thinking of it gets me excited!Dammit boner!
>>24257357Where were you fifteen minutes ago
Rolled 1 + 19>>24257367Obviously, tending to his kitty
I summon a second Bokken immediately, and parry the crushing blow.She's under my guard in a second, and her face is inches away as she slashes upward with more force than necessary.I launch myself upwards with everything I have, missing the slash with my face by far too small of a margin. I keep going upward, almost a good fifteen feet in the air. I soon realize my mistake as Saber tracks me with her eyes, and brings her sword around into a vicious horizontal strike where I'm falling. I bring up both swords to block, and she sends me tumbling hard into the far wall.The impact on my spine as I stop shocks me into a sudden gasp of pain and losing my projected blades. I hear a small thump as Saber drops her sword and rushes over to me. With all that's happened I think we both forgot the actual gap in skill and ability between us. Especially since the last time we fought she was less powerful due to her contract with me."Shirou?!?""I'm fine." I tell her with a smile. "Honestly, I think I deserved that." I take her help to move into a sitting position while I wait for feeling to come back to my legs. "I should apologize.""Eh?" Saber jumps slightly. "For what? I could've seriously hurt you!""It's my fault you were angry." I tell her with a smile, signaling her to sit down. "Also, really kind of stupid of me to suggest this right after upsetting you.""... Shirou..." Saber begins, irritated."Seriously though.... Thank you. I'm not really sure II'm worthy of your faith in me, and every day that goes by it seems I'm even deeper in over my head... the fact that my only methods involve either fretting over or screwing with the people I care for doesn't help either. But I know that meeting you has changed me for the better. Thank you for coming when I called. I'd be proud to fight at your side again, no matter what comes."She stares at me for a long, shocked moment before sighing. "Again?" she asks, pointing to the swords.[ ] Yes.[ ] No.
>>24257425Yeah, let's do this. We need practice against overwhelming odds.
>>24257425[x] YES.I desire a rematch.
>>24257425[x] Again.We came close to not getting our asses kicked that time.By 2 points.
>>24257425[ ] Yes.
>>24257425YesWe need practiceAlso Saber points, but mostly practice
Rolled 67>>24257425>[ ] Yes.
Rolled 1 + 19>>24257425>[X] Yes
>>24257425>[ ] Yes.Turning awfully masochistic there, Shirou.Do it.
Rolled 7>>24257491Alright, I'll stop playing weird with the dice, don't need the boss doubting us every time
Rolled 17>>24257425"In a minute. I can't get it up again that fast."
>>24257527This. We need more DC20 combat checks.
>>24257425>[ ] Yes.MORE! MORE!
>>24257537>>24257527>>24257562Nope, I veto this. Saber had enough for today.
>>24257584Eventually she'll start making cracks back at us.
"Sure." I answer with a smile, and take her hand as she helps me stand.I immediately fall or my face.Odd.I push down with my arms and try to stand back up, only to find that my legs aren't answering my demands to work like legs should."Shirou?" Saber asks, then looks at something I can't see, eyes going wide."I'm fine, just...." She leaves the dojo in a run, and I struggle to stand. After a minute, I get feeling back as well as some control. It feels like my legs are asleep, but I'm upright again at least. I slowly wobble around to look at what Saber saw.Blood. Not much, but some at right about the point where my tailbone hit the support beam.I reach back to touch that spot on my back, and feel something cold and hard, slightly wet with blood. As I rub it, I feel the skin healing over the scratch, barely leaving a mark. If it wasn't for the blood, you wouldn't even know I was hurt.A few moments later, Saber enters the room with a panicked Rin, and they both Freeze as they see me standing there, perfectly fine.>I think I'll end it here for the thread. I'll stick around to talk about stuff in the afterward.
>>24257527Now you're just being needlessly antagonistic. She isn't going to spontaneously develop a sense of humor in ten minutes, regardless of how much we tease her, so stahp.
>>24257594It's more likely that she will make cracks on our bones.
>>24257595>break back and get paralyzed>get betterfucking what? we would have been professor x if it wasn't for a fact we are a super regerating hero with magical girl powers.
>>24257595Damn, whatever it is, that's better shit than Avalon.
>>24257621Yeah. Thanks, Avalon!
>>24257595Seriously, when are these girls going to get it through their heads?>Was anything amputated? yes/noIf NO, he'll be fine in five minutes, calm the hell down.STOP FREAKING OUT WHENEVER WE BREAK OUR SPINE WOMEN, IT HASN'T HURT US THE LAST TEN TIMES.
>>24257595"You know, I think I might be immortal. I would transform my hands into claws and inflect a fatal wound on myself to test this, but I'm pretty sure that my spells don't have anything to do with Flesh."
>>24257636>thanks avalonwaittaminutewhy can't we just recontract with saibah again?
>>24257595Great, we have been paralysed.We ran out of HP
>>24257595I don't think we need Avalon. Unless it's its doing.
>>24257644I was JUST reading that fic.But then I stopped because it wasn't very good.
>>24257595Alright, this is getting too weird. Now I'm thinking it's less healing and more like someone else is tanking the damage unknowingly
>>24257669>more like someone else is tanking the damage unknowinglyLike say... an undetermined number of orphans from the fire?
>>24257669Perhaps we are avengers brother in more ways that one.
>>24257685>Like say... an undetermined number of orphans from the fire?Don'tDon't open that can of worms dude
Now that I'm thinking about it, we haven't really experimented with our magic crest very much beyond figuring out that the bow we projected isn't a literal bow, but a conceptual one.Kind of curious if the concept can extend to things besides a ranged weapon.From 18th verse>I assumed it was something like 'a bow that can shoot anything' when it's actually 'something that can make a perfect shot'Not sure if this is the endpoint of the 'concept' behind the conceptual weapon, or if it can logically be extended to other projections as "a weapon that strikes its target", or even to the most deconstructionist end of the spectrum as "an object that fulfills its purpose".>>24257595>"Shirou?" Saber asks, then looks at something I can't see, eyes going wide.Can we figure out from where Saber was facing whether the thing she saw was the blood on the support beam, or the wound on our back itself?
>>24257701>>24257707>People are disappearing>Shirou has received enough damage to kill an elephant so far>Avenger says that Shirou is his "brother">Avenger can transfer the damage he receives to his enemiesAw fuckAW FUCK
>>24257732But they were disappearing before we were taking any serious damage.
>>24257732>Avenger gave us a 'gift' that he wants back>He hasn't used that ability of his so farFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>24257732>>24257746Hold on. Verg Avesta was a single target counterattack. If we are passing on damage to other people it's not through that Noble Phantasm, which was Avenger's SOLE Noble Phantasm.
>>24257741Shirou did almost get killed by Lancer in the beginning. Shirou also rode an explosion like a wave to attack berserker. Both of those happened in the first day.>>24257746>Avenger gave us a 'gift' that he wants back>He hasn't used that ability of his so farFUCK
>>24257764Remember, Avenger's still hooked up to the Grail at this point. Fuck knows what that amount of raw power's done to his Noble Phantasms.
So, I guess now would be a good time for some Taiga Dojo Q&A if you guys want it.So anything you want clarified or answered, you might as well get it out now. Granted, some stuff will probably be answered with 'spoilers' but it's a decent time for a refresher as any.
>>24257847How many Issei points do we have?How many Issei points does red Archer have?How many Gil points does Avenger have?
>>24257779Nothing? In Hollow/Ataraxia Verg Avesta is still awful.>>24257847Teach us AC-Guy-sensei! What do Shirou's kids with Saber and Rider look like? What would his kids with Illya look like?
>>24257847Taiga-sensei! How do we get Gilgamesh to like us?
>>24257847Sure.>>24254597>I'm not trying to cause a panic or anything, but shit like the 'oh wait, Taiga got kidnapped' has been happening a lot in the background. You've just either circumvented it somehow or haven't spotted it yet.Any interesting examples of things that were happening in the background that we got past by sheer dumb luck rather than actually catching them?Also >>24257726I guess.
>>24257847With Arc here, whats the rest of the Tsukihime cast doing at the moment?
>>24257847Building on this:>Any interesting examples of things that were happening in the background that we got past by sheer dumb luck rather than actually catching them?You mentioned in the theory pastebin that you'd adopted some of our troll ideas when you liked them. Any in particular you feel like sharing?
>>24257847Is the sword that Rin saw inside Shirou his soul? I know it's his Origin and likely Element as well, but did he really sword so hard he turned his soul itself into a sword?
>>24257870How many Box points do we have?
>>24257870>Issei points for Shirou.It got [locked] at six.>Archer/Issei points.N/A.>Gil/VengerBatman/Robin. Which Robin and which role I'll leave to your imaginations.>>24257871Eh, for Saber and Rider it'd be a 'not quite Asian' appearance that all the halfsies get, though one side would skew towards lighter hair colors and the others would look like little pirates, complete with swords and eye-patches.For Ilya, they'd probably [Redacted] because of her [Redacted] sideways, making her half [Redacted] and so they'd likely resemble [Redacted] at the end of days.>>24257892Generally, by deferring to his opinions and only commenting on stuff by saying things like 'yes and'. Otherwise, get him into you somehow. Not sure how that would happen, and honestly the ship has sailed by this point.>>24257905Well, you guys have come within inches of triggering like three Taiga Death flags, six for Ayako, and you ALMOST got Berserker to flip out on you non-violently due to the way you handled something.Most of it's spoilers for now though.>>24257918His sister and the maids are rebuilding the mansion, Satsuki's here, Shiki and Ceil are off in France for currently undisclosed reasons, and everyone else is either dead or about their normal routines.>>24257922Mostly Carnival Phantasm stuff. Like the mental image of Rider having a kid who comes out wearing an eyepatch. Or Shirou being literally allergic to love and sympathy. Or KinKaiser. Not sure how much of it's gonna happen, but it's fun to think about for a maybe.>>24257925Kinda spoilers. Honestly, I'm gonna have to bounce all questions connected to Shirou's soul on the grounds of not wanting to reveal anything, even by process of elimination OOC.>>24257949You don't get Box points.The Box gets Shirou points.
There are still a few things we haven't mentioned to our people.The... hallucinations we had a few times. Once with the bike+fire thing, and how we thought we were horribly fire damaged but then somehow weren't.Another time when we thought our reflection looked off.And also, there's the dreams the wizard (Merlin?) sends us, or something.That might actually be a thing we could follow up on -- we mention to our people, and then try hypnosis or some magical sleep, temporarily, or something.
>>24258035>[Redacted]I haven't seen so many redactions since the last time I tried to figure out what Procedure 110-Montauk was. That doesn't bode well at all.If the Grail War weren't an issue, who do you think Shirou would end up with, presuming he didn't go off to become a Counter-Guardian?
>>24258035Will Zeltrech or Aoko show up in this Quest?
>>24258035Are you using a log scale for rin points, now?Does the chart look even crazier?How should shirou go after ayako, since with her being non-magic side, things with her just dont happen too often and where does shirou stand with her now?
>>24258132Like if the war never happened? Uh....Well that gets complicated quickly. I'm guessing you mean the fifth war specifically, not all wars..... In that context, I'd put my money on Sakura. Things were kinda headed that way already what with them covertly checking each other out in the prologue and stuff. The whole reason he even met most of the others is because of what happened after.As things are right now? Based off of points alone? Rin wins. She wins by 'I stopped counting'.>>24258177Not during the actual QUEST quest. Maybe a brief appearance during the epilogue, but not in the heat of things.For the record, the same applies to any non-Fate characters that aren't already on the stage in some form.No more. Arc was probably a bit much in retrospect, though it makes sense in context.
>>24258210>She wins by 'I stopped counting'.Okay so we don't have to pay attention to Rin ever again. This is good news, it allows us to get the other girls up there too.
>>24258035>dem death flagsSeriously, what
>>24258118>The... hallucinations we had a few times. Once with the bike+fire thing, and how we thought we were horribly fire damaged but then somehow weren't.Now that we mention this again, when talking to Lancer in 32nd Verse...>"So repressed memories. Any advice there?">"What, drawing them out?" He responds, surprised. "Uh... expose yourself to proper stimulus?">"Which would be?">"Set yourself on fire? You could probably learn a lot from that." He says, uncertainly. "Probably the most chance for a vivid flashback. [...]But we didn't say anything to him at the time. Is this a Thing We Missed, or was it just deemed unimportant somehow to the topic of conversation?Or does 19th Verse's>Alright, just so you guys know, I'm giving you a mulligan on the whole 'I'm on fire thing'. In part because it was fucking hilarious, but mostly because it let me work in some foreshadowing and shit.mean the fire thing actually never happened to Shirou and the whole situation, foreshadowing and all, was just for the benefit of us playing along at home rather than an in-character existential crisis?
>>24258224Rin erasered shirou for ignoring her during lunch. Once.You're a braver man than me, if you go ahead with your plan.
How many more Shirou points does Rin need before you won't give us the option to not sleep with her.
>>24258307And more importantly:How many Rider, Saber, Illya, Taiga and Sakura points has Rin racked up herself?
>>24258307THE MANA TRANSFER DRAGON
>>24258224It's not that neglecting her won't have consequences. It's more like you guys hit the cap because it was about to get silly.The reason why goes like this: During the average conversation with Rider, you could go a little up or down on a given option.There are options that give you a little bit of a plus or minus, and some that give you a big one.With a couple of exceptions, pretty much all the 'potential love interests' have been slowly increasing.You guys have picked the maximum Rin Points option goddamned every time.It's less 'you guys have broken the game' it's more 'there's no real point/logic to points beyond this mark, so I'm just going to cap it here'.So you can still lose Rin points. Just it's like, if the maximum trigger (example, not real numbers or even accurate ratios) is at 50, why do we even count up to a thousand? The Cap makes more sense at like... 55-60.>>24258242No, you pretty much got it spot on. Setting yourself on fire was a pretty strong stimulus, Shirou was just too busy freaking out over the implications to really connect the dots or bring it up.The fire happened. The 'mulligan' was for me not wanting to send you into the next whatever might happen with zero HP. you got a HP reset. You CHIMed yourself a red potion. Not retconned the last ten minutes of 'fire' out of your life.>>24258307Points aren't the only factors blocking Romantic stuff. You also need to trigger certain 'flags'. The most obvious ones would be having to pick out your girl(s), a choice you've been dodging from what looks like a combination of genuine concern for their collective feelings and a desire for ALL THE BITCHES.>>24258323I'll tell you when you develop the power to read minds.
>>24258330Speaking of, Sean volunteered to write the sex scenes if they ever come up.I'm not going to comment or even encourage that shit (And they are most certainly non-canon), but if he makes it look like Bromont on an acid trip... consider yourselves duly warned.
>>24258333>a choice you've been dodging from what looks like a combination of genuine concern for their collective feelings and a desire for ALL THE BITCHES.How bad would the result be if we swallowed our pride, gathered all our potential love interests together and pretty much just admitted this?
>>24258353>"I came to the conclusion that there's only one way to settle this.">Every girl gets a projected sword>"I'll be back in twenty minutes"And then he chooses the one that didn't try to kill everyone else.
>>24258341>sex scenesIf we ever get into a situation where Shirou needs prana badly, AND has the opportunity, how would the various and assorted potential partners take the request for emergency dickings?
Hey ACguy do we have to worry about Taiga developing romantic feelings for shirou?
>>24258358>none of them try>except for Rider annoying Saber into swinging>and then pouncing on her with ropes and chains and she's still on top of her when we get back>"WELL THEN."
>>24258381>Saber's pretending to be a Lion while Rider uses her Riding skill>They go so fast>so fast
Is weiting ayako hard? Theres so little material to go on.
>>24258390And suddenly I am imagining a Nyancat variant with Rider riding a lion-costumed Saber.
>>24258372Taiga route was locked.
>>24258353I genuinely have no idea.I mean, not WELL, clearly. It's just so out of character to just ask that I haven't really mapped that scenario out.>>24258368.... depends on how you phrased it.He couldn't really get anything from a Servant though, so it'd have to be one of the Sisters. Rider would probably ask to watch, though how serious she was would depend on the situation.>>24258372Not really. I planned around a Taiga route, in case things went that way, but I knew it was unlikely.She sees herself as somewhere between his Mom and his big sister, and at this point she'd smother anything like that coming up because she knows it would probably break Shirou, with his already wide eyed terror at being the center of romantic attention.>>24258381>>24258390Rider giving other people a power-boost via receiving a piggyback ride is now Carnival Canon.>>24258397I honestly don't know what you're saying.
>>24258381Meanwhile, Sakura is cooking.No one realizes, but she's the one honestly trying to get a few kills. But they never get to eat the poison because shit is going down.And then Lancer finds it and is in the mood for a snack.
>>24258333>rinWhat can we say. /tg/ loves tsunderes and knows exactly how to press their buttons.
>>24258407weiting is a misspelling of writing, I assume.
>>24258411Seems like all this time of anime has finally paid off.
>>24258407>I mean, not WELL, clearly. It's just so out of character to just ask that I haven't really mapped that scenario out.WELL I KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING FIRST THING NEXT THREAD
>>24258407Sorry, writing. Stupid mobile phone.
>>24258407>I mean, not WELL, clearly.But... but Lancer made it sound like such a good idea!
>>24258408"Uh, Bazett? Lancer's, uh, dead.""What, again? Christ, thats the third time today."
>>24258333Can you give an example of something that would drop, say, Rin points by 50?
>>24258425>>24258433Ok, pussies.It's do or do.
>>24258450Wearing her panties on shirous head and running around town making aeroplane noises.
>>24258415>>24258426Oh. In that case, Kinda. I looked over a few fan comics/writings to try and get a better grasp of her character.Which didn't help.I mean, I kinda figured it would be the case, but there's a shocking amount of Lesbian porn on the internet. Like, staggering given how specific some of the categories are.>>24258411>>24258418Apparently.>>24258425>>24258433Actually, Lancer said getting someone else to propose it would be a good idea.I mean, it's a bad enough idea that Shirou would veto it internally before it saw the light of day.>>24258450Character breaking evil probably would, like say deciding to kill Sakura or something. Pretty much any action that would cause that significant a drop would be auto-vetoed.When I talk 'big money' items for that stuff, we're talking like 3-5 points instead of one.
>>24258473Would getting into a relationship with Rin, then cheating on her with Archer in such a way that she finds out about it raise or lower her affection rating?
>>24258481Now I really want a way to turn Archer female.
>>24258481Rider would likely make it irrelevant.
>>24258491No, please, no. We don't need Archerko running around as well.There is only so much pain our psyche can take.
>>24258473We're gonna need examples of that reference material you speak of.
>>24258481I'm pretty sure that just counts as masturbation.
>>24258473Is prisma ilya carnival canon?
>>24258473Brozerker dying like that obviously wasnt in the plans.What made you go, yep he has to die instead of shirou loses an arm?
>>24258501I didn't really keep track. After a while, I stopped even reading them. I just started counting to see how many pages it took Rider to molest her.>>24258497>>24258491>>24258481I don't even want to know what the fuck you're on about.That said, female Archer could be possible, since there's a 50/50 chance of Shirou being born female and following a similar route in a parallel universe. Summoning that Archer instead of the one you have would be a trick and a half though.>>24258506Never read/watched it, so probably not. Wasn't that the one where the Grail War's a Card Captor knock off or something?>>24258516I didn't really plan it or not plan it. Odds were heavily against him surviving the war though, as much as we all liked him as a character.The 'loses an arm' thing wasn't going to be what happens, I was giving an example of fucking up with no HP would be like.He basically lost an arm, a close ally, and then got a ticking time-bomb that would eventually devour his soul. That's the scale of Bad Things that could happen. Depending on the circumstances in the forest, Shirou could have been [Redacted], or it could have been Rin or Rider who got killed.So, that's the scale of seriously fucking up. The fact that Cain ended up biting the bullet there was just the most appropriate course of action given the circumstances.
>>24258425Rider would start cackling to herself but ultimately be paying attention to how Sakura seems to be taking it before saying a single thing pro/con, Sakura would probably freeze up because her brain can't figure out whether to prioritize embarrassment, elation or quiet, seething jealousy of Rin (which she would feel terrible about and self-flagellate over later), Rin would be shocked that Shirou actually out and said it but is smitten enough with him that she would put up the token resistance but then sort of start considering it internally because she knows it would make Shirou happy, and Saber would become indignant and I wouldn't actually be terribly surprised if it actually locked the Saber route. I feel like there's no way we have enough Saber points for her to even consider this an option, and Shirou going "nah, Saber's out? I'm going to postpone the decision some more then, I guess" would just make her angrier with us, so she'd just force herself to cordon off any vestiges of attraction toward Shirou for The Greater Good (tm)
>>24258555Given that rider hasnt had a taste of ayako yet, will she act the same way?
>>24258568I get the feeling that us locking off the Saber route would only open her up to Rin's predations.
Fair warning, we're on page ten.
>>24258555>rin or rider dyingWay to put things in perspective. /sweat
>>24258555>Grail War's a Card Captor knock off or something?Bit of Nanoha in there as well. Giant fucking lasers and some SERIOUS befriending.It's actually a pretty good read. There's some fanservice but not a glut, and the early silly stuff is balanced out by later seriousness. In all I think it's a very solid take on the Magical Girl genre.
>>24258606And there's an animu announced!
>>24258580Saber route getting locked probably wouldn't be because of her actually disliking us, there just wouldn't be any romantic considerations.It'd more likely than not be her coming to the conclusion that Shirou's occasionally mentioned policy of "postpone all romantic inclinations until war's end" isn't nearly as effective as "just revert back to King Arthur status and focus singlemindedly on kicking ass and taking names in pursuit of the end goal", which would end up in a sort of Saber/Kiritsugu business-only partnership, only with her actually agreeing with our personal morals instead of disagreeing.
>>24258623>romantic considerationsAt this point we're closer to having a bromance.Does the Heterosexual Life Partners trope apply to people of opposite genders?
>>24258635There's the Platonic Life Partners trope for that.
>>24258641Even if one of said partners is engaged in a homosexual relationship with at least two of the girlfriends of the other?
>>24258652Platonic Life Partners with Benefits.
>>24258652Yes.Sharing is caring after all.
>>24258652At least two?I'm pretty sure it's just Rin who actively WANTS to molest Saber. Rider's just implying that she does to wind us up.
>>24258652They're both girls, so it's okay!
>>24258664Are you saying Rider would be able to resist once Rin got started?
>>24258673Well, I'm not sure I'd go THAT far.
>>24258673Honestly, I think Rider would just go along with whatever we did if we hooked up as long as she was included. She honestly strikes me as that sort of person.>>24258635Pretty sure she's got a thing for us at this point, she just doesn't want to admit it because reasons.
>>24258646Not sure if Platonic, exactly. It's just that it's hard for either side to figure out how to break it to the person whose defining trait is that they've got your back that you wouldn't mind getting their front as well.Like, Saber's not exactly unreceptive to Shirou's insinuations, but it's hard for her to separate genuine affection from THE SNARK TRAIN HAS NO BREAKS CHOO CHOO because she's not exactly well-adjusted as far as bein' a non-fighty lady is concerned.
>>24258697Walking in on saber showering might help.theres been a distinct lack of shower scenes too.Whens the last time shirou took a bath?
>>24258697I wonder when she'll get that the snarking is our way of showing affection?
>>24258706... that would be been when SUDDENLY, ONES. HUNDREDS OF THEM.
>>24258710Should just tell her then.We tease her because she looks cute when shes pouting.
>>24258706>Whens the last time shirou took a bath?Probably last night, which was something like 6 threads ago by this point.
>>24258729>>24258706>>24258747I assumed he was following the normal daily routine, unless noted otherwise. I just don't go out of my way to list everything.The main reason that meals keep coming up is because you guys double them for strategy meetings.
>>24258710>>24256194>"You have a way of deflecting concern and criticism around with a dry humor." Saber answers, smiling gently. "Take your time."She has at least an inkling that the snark is a coping mechanism of sorts. The full extent of what it's used to cope for, however...And the fact that the #1 and #2 targets of our snark are Archer and Gil, who everyone thinks we still on fighting terms with and who tries to kill us every other time we meet respectively doesn't really help clear that up.>>24258729>Shirou slips on the wet floor and breaks all of his everything>Saber was actually Arc in disguise again>Sees delicious blood everywhere>WORST END
>>24258751Ac-guy, what are sella and leysrit up to?I think they must be getting bored.How would they react to the situation at the emiya household. All the girls there, basically.
>>24258751Huh, really? So we're not facing some sort of crisis almost every waking moment (and about half the non-waking moments) of the day?Maybe you should throw in some relaxation time at some point. We're starting to get a handle on dealing with Shirou's issues now, so some bathtub navel gazing might fit in somehow.>and then Assassin has new messages for usOr, y'know, not.>>24258761At this point Shirou might actually be able to feed Arc to a degree that she has her fill.
>>24258797An omake where everyone goes to the public pool? Including zouken.
>>24258794Ilya's maids? They're at a hotel and will probably remain there since I have no idea how to write them.Honestly, they might comment of Shirou being odd, but they're conditioned to serve the freaking Einzberns. I don't think a semi-harem would even register on the 'I've seen some shit' scale.>>24258797I figured that if Saber was going to run in the room covered in someone else's blood and screaming, you wouldn't want me to spend twelve paragraphs describing the relaxing bathwater.Actually, wait, nevermind. Imagine a better example than a solid dose of mood-whiplash.>>24258818Oh fuck no. That's a little much for me. I gave Deculture permission to do F/A Carnival Phantasm shit though. Go bug him.
Alright, it's 4am, and we're three threads from falling off the ass-end of 4chan. I'm gonna go force the Archive to update and see you guys next time.
>>24258818>"Oh, gross! I thought leeches lived in lakes, not pools! Can somebody help me pull these off?">"Uh...">TigerDojo.png