Welcome to the second episode of A Game of Thrones – The Quest of House Harrock.Last thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24207612/In this quest, the year is 284AL and it is six months after Robert Baratheon was crowned king. You are Ser Artys Harrock, thirty-eight years old and the head of House Harrock, sworn to House Arryn of the Mountain and Vale. You are a dedicated, devoted and cunning man, eager to see the rebirth and stability of your house from its ruined state. With a head for numbers, a good swordhand and an exotic Valyrian steel saber named 'Ambition,' you shall lead your family to new wealth and new stability.During the last episode, you conferred with your uncle in order to get a grasp on the current situation. House Harrock is on the verge of bankruptcy and its land is infested with mountain clansmen, the barbaric natives of the Mountain and Vale who reject civilisation. With a hundred men you arranged an ambush and managed to thwart a clansmen raiding party, capturing four of the savages in the process. You hope to be able to extract valuable information from them – the location of their camps and how many of them there are.Is anyone interested in continuing?
>>24264225I was the motherfucker who wrote those damn words 'Untill the Last Ridge' though I think I typed 'Till the Last Ridge' initially. I'm so fucking in this
Until the last ridge! For House Harrock!
So monitoring this thread.
>>24264277>>24264286I'll bump with a few posts. Hopefully this should get us a bit more interest.With your men and your captives in tow you travel towards your sole fortification in the lowlands, Wetrock. The grim, imposing tower seems out of place in the wild landscape, built atop a bed of rock and stone beside the river Westflow. It's just as dull and dank on the inside as it is on the outside but at least it's strong, sturdy and well-guarded, a perfect place for traders to shelter in before the harrowing journey through Westpass. Your rangers sit back to take a breather, licking their wounds from the battle while you escort your captives to somewhere more private and secure.With the assistance of Ser Boros and some of his men each of the captives are bound amidst much swearing and struggling. A giant of a man with his beard braided into his earrings, a runty dwarf of a man, a filthy boy with a missing ear and a lanky, pale woman with a disgusting birthmark covering most of her face. The sort of unsavoury characters that the mountain clans would attract. Still, they potentially have useful information and you need to acquire it if you are to deal with the problem that they represent. Ser Boros sets about sharpening his knives, in case you need to provide them with 'incentive.'What do you wish to do?
Important Characters:Ser Artys Harrock – You. A thin, unremarkable man with pallid skin worn and weathered by the winds of the Vale, framed with coarse brown hair cut close to the head and muddy eyes of the same colour. A shrewd but patient fellow, you're the one with the duty to lead House Harrock to prosperity and stability. See image.Ulfir Stone – Your elder brother and a bastard. During the War of the Usurper in which your father died, he stole the majority of House Harrock's military and resources, squandering them in an attempt to cripple Jon Arryn's army and curry favour with the Mad King. He's still out there somewhere.Alric Harrock – Your uncle. A tall and gangly old man with tight skin and carefully groomed hair as white as snow. You have his eyes. He's a sly old fox and was as much of a father to you as your real dad. He functions as your castellan.Maester Llelewyn – Your maester. He's a gaunt and ugly fellow with a mope of black hair, hailing from the Riverlands. He's not a pleasant man and he seems to prefer the company of ravens to humanity, something you're just find with.Ser Morys – Your Master-of-Arms. He's squat and lean with a mane of loose grey hair and skin that seems ready to fall off his body it's so wrinkled and loose. Venerable and wise, there's no better tactician in your house. When you were a boy you were his squire, now your son follows your footsteps.
>>24264339Ser Tenry – A sworn sword in your service. A wiry, athletic ranger who was knighted by Ser Morys after his exceptional service as an impromptu commander. Possibly the best marksman in your house.Ser Boros – A sworn sword in your service. A dark-skinned, curly-haired lad barely older than your son. You have your doubts that he is truly a knight but you do not know anyone who is better with a spear.Lady Deyya Harrock – Your wife. Formerly of House Manderly, you share a loveless marriage with this woman. Her fair hair is greying but her eyes haven't lost their brightness. Her pink, soft body is ample in all of the right and wrong places. See image.Brock Harrock – Your son. He's fifteen years old and you share quite a troubled relationship with the boy. A squire to Ser Morys, he seems to have far more interest in pugilism and pummelling other boys than knighthood.Katrin Harrock – Your daughter. A beautiful and charming girl with the pale skin and lean physique of House Harrock and the fair hair and bright eyes of House Manderly. Exceptionally well-behaved and a perfect child.
>>24264318I seek the council of some of my most wise and senior men; nothing is more annoying than serving an undeserving and unappreciative lord and we have the house history to prove it
>>24264225Fuck yes, I'm here.Have a MS Paint of Ser Artys Harrock in light armor. I've imagined Ambition as based off of the Turkish yataghan, a forward-bending saber. It looks cool, okay?>>24264318Let's question them. Find out which clan they're a part of and why they're here.
>>24264370First the kid. The kid is bound to be the faggot of the group.
>>24264225Huh. You actually continued. Perhaps I'll put my faith in you that you won't disappear and take part then.
House House reporting in, all other houses are small time.
>>24264389Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand jinxed. I bet the FBI is taking into custody OP in 30 seconds or so.
>>24264370>>24264385Gentlemen, I think we're being a bit hasty here; I suggest we think our moves through and THEN act. We have a small host of men all capable of thought and thus, filled with different opinions and ideas. I suggest we tap into this resource and from it, shape our own opinion on the matter.
>>24264404Get at me bro.
>>24264385Yeah, sure. He'll probably crack easiest.>>24264416What do you mean? Consult our men?
>>24264416We need to be present just in case they miss something shouldn't we? I mean the most important topic right now is getting rid of the bandits, the interrogation sounds something we should focus on.
>>24264426I think he means delegate the interrogation to our men. I understood that.
>>24264454Okay, that makes sense. We're a landed knight, we have people to do the interrogating for us.
>>24264318First, I think we should offer them the chance to renounce their lives and join civilisation, as Lord Arryn offered our progenitor so long ago.After that, offer them the chance of a quick death if they give us the information we seek.After that, well... Boros can 'persuade' them...
>>24264464I still suggest us being present. It's too important to let details slip by to our men.
>>24264467I don't think killing them is the best course of action. Certainly not when we have so many other options available to us. What I suggest we do is separate them, especially the youngling; as anon pointed out earlier, he will probably be the easiest to break. From there, we will focus several hours at a time on each captive, making sure to give them small breaks between each 'session'. The breaks will never consist of proper rest; sleep deprivation is known to work even in the vile parts of the land. At the same time, I suggest we ask each of our most senior men about the matter; just to give them the illusion that they can shape our opinion. Nothing to wet their appetite for servitude like the idea that their important.
>>24264509>>24264416>>24264357>>24264441>>24264454None of the senior servants of your house are currently with you, excluding Ser Boros and he hardly counts as 'senior.' Nonetheless, you ask him for his opinion and advice, which he answers with a rather plain look."We get what we want to know out of them, m'lord and when we're done, we kill #em. If we let them go they'll just go back to rapin' and pillagin'. They don't deserve any sympathy. They're mountain men. Ain't even human, m'lord."Most of your men inside the garrison of Wetrock seem to agree with this as you ask for their thoughts. Whether they're guards or rangers, they've all lost many friends and family to clan raids - they have no mercy for the wild men and they'd happily kill them for you when you're done. As far as the servants of House Harrock are concerned, they're subhumans who deserve nothing short of a quick death.You offer Boros and some of his rangers the chance to lead the interrogation, although you remind them that you'll be watching. A couple of them grin to each other sadistically, but your sworn sword only responds with a simple shrug."I can do that, m'lord. Any specific questions that you want me to ask the scum? Besides the basics, I mean. Where they are, how many of them, what clan. That sort o' thing."
>>24264527>Nothing to wet their appetite for servitude like the idea that their important.I like that thought process. I like that a lot.
>>24264509I agree - we want the information, we should be there to judge if what we are told is a lie or not.>>24264527Sounds like an idea, I just thought offering them that release could get one of them to tell us all they know, though it's a long shot.I think Ser Boros and his closest rangers will be needed to 'coax' them into telling us what they know.
>>24264562Ask if they know each other. Any family/love ties are bound to break them faster. If we know they care for someone amongst the prisoners, we can use it as a token to loose their tongue.
>>24264603This.Also maybe we should ask about our bastard brother. He's out there somewhere, up to no good.
>>24264562Say outloud, so the men can hear 'I have a few....' sadistic grin' special requests' Drag Boros away privately before the interrogations and say 'Make them hate you and the men, Boros. I want them to quiver in fear and spit with rage everytime you approach them. I will be with you through out the interrogations; it will be your job to ensure that I look as calm and merciful as possible. I want these people to bless my arrival every time I choose to grace them with my presence. I want these savages to love me like family. And when they do, and when I have all I need, leave them hanging from some trees.'>Said once, I'll say it again>We are House Harrock; we don't fuck around
>>24264641We are clever bastards, aren't we?
>>24264667No, that'd be our brother, we're clever legitimates.
>>24264691That's the right of it.
>>24264667I now proclaim myself 'Clever Bass' the smartest fish in the Retarded River.
How about asking if they're working with any other clans or, the Seven forbid, one of our rival houses.If we've thought of pushing the clans onto our rival's lands, they will have thought the same.
>>24264667>>24264641>>24264623>>24264603>>24264591>>24264591>>24264565>>24264527Just so I get the general idea:Separate them and interrogate each of them separately. Take advantage of any connections that they may share and don't forget to question them about your bastard brother. Have the men treat them with cruelty and hatred so that when you deem to treat them in a more civil and respectful manner, they will do anything to appease you.Do I have the right idea?
>>24264748I'd say spot on lad. Now let's torture some barbarians!
>>24264748Yep, sounds perfect.
>>24264748That's what we're shooting for, yes.
>>24264747Thank you Anon.By the way, did you just happen to have that image and suddenly find a use for it...or did you go and find it?
>>24264810I find offense in that doubt, of course I was saving bass pictures for you
Polite reminder to put "quest" in your quest thread subject field
>>24264318You are using the coat of arms I made! I am so fucking happy.
Oooh, interrogations. Shall we see if we can put House Bolton to shame?
>>24264826Will do next time.>>24264748After some discussion, you go ahead with the interrogation. Each of the savages are split into different cells where they're brutalised, tortured and humiliated in whatever imaginative and sadistic ways your men can come up with. These soldiers have lost all manner of family and friends to raids and this is their way of returning the favour. You occasionally pop into the cells, as a figure of mercy and a brief respite from their torture. It's effective and each time, they beg for you to stay, say that they'll tell you whatever you want. They do.They're Milk Snakes, a clan of savages who paint their skin with swirls of red and white much like the serpents that they name themselves other. They have an encampment in the Mountains of the Moon to the South, pushed further North by frequent patrols around the Bloody Gate. They've settled down on this side of the mountains, in a small forest nestled amongst the peaks where they venture forward and pick at the traders travelling the Westpass and the serfs who try to scrape out a living in the nearby wilderness. Their estimates of how many people live in the clan vary wildly, with some claiming only a few hundred while the one with the braided beard says over a thousand. Speaking of that man, he's apparently the father of the girl with the birth marks and you were able to exploit the connection with ease, convincing both of them to sing like songbirds. None of the savages seem to have heard of your bastard brother, nor have they seen anyone with his looks. Apparently Ulrif hasn't involved himself with this particular clan.In the end, you settle on an average and guess that there's roughly five hundred Milk Snakes in their little grove to the South, some of them likely old or young or wounded or otherwise unable to fight. Having asked all that you initially had in mind, Ser Boros approaches you outside of the cells."Y'got any further questions or can we off them now, m'lord?"
>>24265017Let the men decide, I say, this decision is below us now. If they want to have a bit of sport, it's on them.
>>24265017I'd say they should remain alive until we actually check that their story was real. Just in case they "forgot" something.
>>24265083Now we 'release' them into our rivals land, right?
>>24265017'Yes. Make sure to ask them how it is that the clans stay in contact, how their clan in particular stays in contact and how it is they were able to so effectively raid so many times; either their leader is very skilled and thus, must die or they as a whole are efficient and thus, must die. Either way, savages die, but I'd like to know whether their skill came from leadership or simply good soldier'
>>24265083>>24265090>>24265095Any one of these is viable. I'll leave it to you guys to come to a consensus.
First check if what they say is true. Alive until we fucking break the bandits out of our lands. And then we can >>24265095. Sounds reasonable.
>>24265017Have any of them been approached by other Houses or any individuals, in terms of being paid or persuaded to move into our lands?Do they know anything about other clans in the region, and their numbers?But I think we should keep them alive for the moment, in case they come in useful. Give the girl to the men for sport, they'll appreciate it, as distasteful as it is.
>>24265095These ones? No, these ones get hung. the encampment of 500 though? We harry them in that direction.A few here and there aren't going to change a damn thing, and would likely just try to return and join back up with their brethren, if we get the entire clan moving on the other hand, they'll actually start troubles.Don't forget the impact on morale if they're let go either.
>>24265017Interclan rivalries are bountiful in the Vale. Let's find out which clans they're friendly with and which ones are their enemies. This could be important later on.
>>24265095I do not like this. It can come back to us, and that would be very bad.Better to dispose of them. Just give them to the men, they will enjoy the sport. After we are sure of the veracity of their words, of course.
Have some honor. Off them swiftly and as painlessly as possible. beheading.
>>24265017Execute these ones, give orders to the rangers to harry that particular clan (west is the direction of the territory that holds the port we have claim to, right?) whichever direction that port is without directly mentioning that territory or the port.we'll do something similar with several clans worth, execute others entirely, that way if asked about the mountain clans encroachment we can safely say that we were attempting to clear our lands of the scum, and some fled to surrounding areas.
>>24265201The man that passes the sentence should hold the sword. This is not King's Landing.
>>24265201Give honor to those who have it, not godless mountain thugs.
>>24265201And make it public, so everyone enjoys the view.
>>24265213Agreed>>24265218Acting without honor impugnes the honor of the house. Behead them publicly, personally. Let the people see your strength, wisdom, and mercy.
>>24265218Man have some mercy. We're cool guys.
>>24265222Be sure to kill the woman and her father together then, no need to make one watch the other.
>>24265149>>24265126They know of the Stone Crows and the Burned Men, who still inhabit the mountains near the Bloody Gate. They haven't interacted with them in years but they treated both of those clans as rivals - one of the reasons why they moved up North, so they wouldn't have to pick up the scraps of these other clans.They weren't approached by any other clans or individuals. Occasionally they do get paid by idiot traders, but they usually just end up killing them and taking their gold anyway.>>24265107After talking with them further, it seems like it's just a case of learning the routines. It was difficult to raid the trade routes to begin with but then they began to pick up on holes in your rangers' patrols. They raid when they aren't looking, quickly striking in and out. It's just a case of learning. The stupid get caught and die, like they're going to while the smart survive and keep on pillaging.
>>24265211House Belmore of Strongsong holds Grimarbour, the port that you have claim to. They are to the North of your territory.
>>24265254Inform our rangers of this at the nearest opportunity, and remove the head ranger from his post for his failure at that time.
I say we execute them from the top of Wetrock. Beheading with Ambition, it'll be the fastest and most painless way. We'll also be broadcasting our intent to any watchers we don't know about. Bring them up one at a time from their cells, kill them, and then dispose of the bodies however we see fit.>>24265254No connections. That's good, though I'd preferred they have some inside information on other clans in our lands.
>>242652891 vote on this, we can't tolerate idiocy amongst our ranks.
>>24265280Ahh, harry them northwards then, 4 or 5 clans of similar size harried into their territory should give them something to think about, and we can wipe out a few more as cover if possible.
>>24265213Agreed. We have honour, we should act like it.>>24265289Watch out - we do only have 100 rangers in this area, there's no way they can be everywhere at once. They're doing the best they can with the resources they have.>>24265280Push the clans towards Belmore's lands then, but wipe out some of the camps, as then it makes it harder for them to prove we're doing it on purpose.
>>24265289>>24265292I vote for both of these.
>>24265342They have fixed patrols instead of renewing them from week to week. It was stupidity not numbers.
>>24265365Ahh, in that case, yea, demote him.
>>24265379>>24265365I say reprimand him instead of demoting him.
>>24265292You do realize we are not Northmen, right? It makes little sense, lore-wise for us to do all of our own executions.
>>24265413Lashes then, and ensure the patrols are altered. Make it clear he will lose more than position if he fails again.
>>24265426>not north menLike hell
>>24265413Yea, probably a better idea.>>24265426We are originally of these mountains, though, and we should not order a person killed if we can't be seen to be willing to do it ourself. To do otherwise would suggest weakness, that we cannot enforce our own declarations.
>>24265426Even if we're not of the North we still have our honor. We were barbarians once, and our enemies are sure to remember that. Let's show them that we're nothing like these savages.
>>24265413That sounds a little bit "lax". We're starting we can't tolerate these kind of things.
>>24265468Someone suggested lashes
>>24265466This is the main reason why we have to look all knightly and chivalrous.
>>24265280Dude, nice map. Where'd you get it?And kudos on getting another GoT Quest going. Do you know what your schedule's going to be so I can avoid those days?Don't want to split the playerbase when I get Knock-Off GoT Quest back up in a week or two.
>>24265485The schedule is 9pm BST (GMT+1) Monday and Friday.
>>24265476If you do that you're gonna humilliate him and his men would not respect him (aka: you've demoted him by default). Just demote him and let him keep his honor.
House Harrock?More like house HardcockThere words are "We stand for cock"Theyre sigil is a black dire cock rampant with a purple dildo on a blue and orange chequy
>>24265501Let's wait until we get back home to discipline the first ranger, we don't need to spread dissent in the ranks while we're still out in the field.
>>24265462>>24265466Very well, but don't make it standard practice. We hardly need to look like a Stark.Though I am still opposed to this. You want to seperate us from the barbarians, we should act like a Knight of the Seven. Knights of the Seven are NOT executioners.
>>24265526Also let's keep it private. We're not fearsome machines, we need to keep pumping our humanity engine.
>>24265289>>24265301>>24265342Ser Tenry is technically the man in charge of all rangers - although the rangers of each region have their own captains. Although you can speak with Ser Tenry later about his possible lack of foresight, you decide to place the blame on the captain of the wetland rangers for now and make plans to remove him from his position and allow your sworn swords to choose a more suitable candidate.>>24265342>>24265323You make a note to harry the Milk Snakes North of your territory towards Strongsong. Hopefully they'll settle down there and cause trouble for House Belmore instead.>>24265201>>24265213>>24265222>>24265237>>24265230>>24265242>>24265292The prisoners are both carried to the top of Wetrock. Many of your men assemble there to watch the procedure grimly. Each of the mountain men are forced to kneel in turn before they are beheaded, their bodies and their heads sent toppling from the edge into the rushing water below. You make sure to make it as quick, painless as possible, even slaying the father and his daughter together. It's a clean death and as close to a peaceful one as the savages could hope to get. Their carcasses are washed away and there is no evidence the scum were ever here.You have eliminated a Wildling raiding party - your efforts have made this land a little safer and has made it easier for you to expand your domain, if you so wish.You gain 2 Law points.You gain 1 Land point.Your business at Wetrock is done and it is quite late in the day - your other men stationed near Skycliff have likely finished their patrol of the nearby mountains as well.What would you like to do next?
>>24265289Don't remove him, reprimand him a little and order him to make the patrols more difficult to predict and do unexpected patrols out of schedule.
>>24265535I don't care if we do it ourselves or not, I only care about a quick easy death because they've collaborated. More on Stannis the mannis side.
>>24265535Tell that to Sers Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch.
>>24265583There is a distinction between executioner and butcher.
>>24265541Sounds good.>>24265553Awesome! In that case, let's have the rangers scout out the nearest location the prisoners said a camp was, to see if they were telling the truth, and return back to our castle, to meet with the returning mountain ranger party, and our son.
>>24265485It's this map - I did a bit of editing in order to get it to work though.I personally admire the map you made for the territories near House Morderengrad - how did you make that?
>>24265594And there's a distinction between a chivalrous tourney Knight of the Seven and a Knight that does what needs to be done. We're done here anyway.>>24265553Let's return home for dinner with our family. Maybe leave some of our rangers behind at Wetrock to reinforce the garrison and keep an eye out for other raiding parties.
>>24265609I'm all for the family time. We can't forfeit our son's needs.
>>24265553Send a raven to The Eyrie, informing our liege of the success against the mountain clans, whilst also hinting that our campaign against the tribes might go faster if we received some financial aid.
>>24265647We will likely just have to reprimand him for beating some poor soldier up.
>>24265673Roll a 4d6 for that, please. I'll accept the first roll.
>>24265673It's a bit early for that, it was just one raiding party, Wait until we've annihilated a tribe or two.
>>24265609I second this notion. We must know how big a threat the savages are. Use the information gained from the interrogation while it's still fresh.
>>24265673Begging for money to our liege so soon? I don't think that's really smart...>>24265680Jesus christ we need to get him educated asap or else he's gonna fuck up our standing.
Rolled 5, 1, 5, 3 = 14>>24265647And we need to start molding him into a fit heir for our lands, for when that time comes. We can't have him continuing to be a thug and undisciplined.>>24265640Sounds good, and perhaps we can try to make the relationship we have with our family, especially our son and wife, a little better. We could, perhaps, do with more than just one son and daughter, at least.>>24265685Rolling
>24265692Strike whilst the iron is hot. What use is financial aid to fight the clans if we've already finished most of them off?
>>24265764Then its a reward, and one well earned. We could even petition for more lands and rights, as we solved the issue without burdening the Eyrie.
>>24265692>>24265764Must have accidentally deleted one of them. linking.
Rolled 1, 5, 4, 5 = 15>>24265783Aye, we could have petitioned to get back Grimarbour from House Belmore, since it is actually ours by right.
>>24265764I still think it's not good. We need to fall on the bright side of our lord, not being a leecherous vassal that keeps bleeding him for help. I prefer his generosity being a smile than a purse filled with coins. The first one may save our asses in more occasions.
>>24265824This man has it.
>>24265696You send of a letter containing the details of your engagement and a humble request for House Arryn's support in the further eradication of the mountain clan pest. You personally think it was quite well-written.>>24265647>>24265640>>24265618>>24265609You return home to your family, to eat and to rest before the next day comes about. You request that the rangers investigate this grove to the South that harbours the savages, however. You want more solid information on their numbers, a confirmation that they actually exist.In any case, you return to High Harrock where you are confronted by Ser Tenry and Ser Morys, with their reports on the situation."I'm afraid that there wasn't much activity in the mountains today, m'lord. We did find a few clansmen but it was hardly an organised raiding party - just a few scavengers lying in wait for a trader or two. We handled them cleanly, for the most part -" Hesitation. "- except for one incident. Your son was shot by one of the mountain men, the Maester is tending to his injury at this very moment. Although I'd say it's a serious wound, it didn't seem to stop your boy from throttling the life out of the man before we could question him. Brock didn't even draw his sword - I doubt I'll ever get him to fight like a knight."Do you have any questions to ask either of the knights? Do you wish to discuss the faults of the rangers' patrols with Ser Tenry at this moment in time, or would you rather leave that for later?
>>24265868Fuck no, let's stay by our son's side. He's the fucking heir goddamit.
>>24265868Question Ser terry on the faults, but not in front of Ser Morys, while it may or may not be his failing, it would be unlordly to embarrass him in front of his compatriot while just seeking information on the matter.
>>24265868Seemed to me the majority were against the letter, but alright.The rangers can wait, we have a son to set straight. He is our heir, personality aside.
>>24265868Thank them for their service and dismiss them to their meals, we can talk to them later in the evening. We've all had a long day out riding and fighting.Is it too late to add something to the letter? I think it would behoove us to ask Lord Arynn if any of his bannermen have sons of squiring age that could befriend our son and maybe be a sparring partner for him. One of Bronze Yohn's boys, perhaps. Having a connection to the court would help as well.
>>24265868>Do you wish to discuss the faults of the rangers' patrols with Ser Tenry at this moment in time, or would you rather leave that for later?I think we should leave that until later, when we can talk about it in more detail.>Do you have any questions to ask either of the knights?Thank them for their work, and apologise for the actions of our son, in case he put any of the other men at risk.Then I think we should go and talk to our son, and express our displeasure at his childish antics. If he continues as he is, he is no fit heir of High Harrock.
>>24265897We'll see our son after he's bandaged up, no reason to force him to show off his weakness, later after he's bandaged we'll visit him, he'll pretend to be strong, we'll pretend to believe him, and he can save face.
>>24265868Be with our son for now. Show him we actually give a damn about him. Ser Terry isn't going anywhere.
>>24265939Love first, reprimands later. I don't think he's the kind of guy that takes in consideration reprimands.
>>24265935Very good idea, our son could do with some more noble company his own age.
>>24265824A single request for aid would not be considered lecherous. If you were in Arryns shoes, would you leave a incredibly important issue which affects a large amount of the Vale to one of the smaller, weaker houses?>>24265939I agree with this and Kurtis' point about asking for a companion for our son.
>>24265935Jon Arryn is currently in King's Landing, helping King Robert cement his rule. Occasionally he tends to return to the Vale to handle specific business but during his absence, Lord Yohn Royce has been chosen to act as his castellan and handle such affairs in his absence. But yes, you add this to the list of things to do.>>24265959>>24265897>>24265932>>24265935>>24265939You make a visit to your son in the chambers of Maester Llelewyn. You find him lying upon a bed, hissing with pain as the Maester expertly works at extracting the arrowhead. It's quite a deep wound, embedded in the boy's shoulder but you trust Llelewyn - he has cured you and your family of many ailments and mended many of your wounds in the past.As for your son, he's quite a sight. A few inches taller than you, he's almost twice as wide. A gross figure of fat and muscle in equal proportions, the only sign that he's related to you is his coarse brown hair and his muddy, beady eyes. Other than that, he's a Manderly through and through - quick to gain weight and easy to scar with soft, malleable pink skin. At the same time though, you know that he's easily twice as strong as you are. It's difficult to chide and punish a boy who could easily punch your face in if he felt like it.The moody young Harrock offers you a glare, speaking amongst the groans of pain as the Maester works."What're you looking at?"
>>24266138I apologise for the delay by the way - I had a few things to handle that got in the way of my posting time.
>>24266138A damn fool who'd choke a man in battle rather than run him through, Glad you're alright boy.
>>24266138"My fool son, who apparently thinks with his fist and his cock instead of the brain The Seven gave him."
>>24266138I am looking at my son, the future Lord Harrock, and someone who was injured in protecting my lands, Brock.What must we do to prepare you for your future rulership? You cannot fight against the barbarian clans with bare fists, son, and you must learn both this and respect for your elders, if you are to rule well once I have gone.
bumping with a house I made
>>24266138"A boy. A little angry boy who forgets himself, and worse, his sword. We are not hillfolk that quarrel with fists. We have steel for that. You would do well to remember it. If this arrow had hit you on your broad side, what would have happened? Who would rule this House when I pass?"Your teachers have told me of your shortcomings. Once your shoulder is healed you will practice with men-at-arms for two hours a day until you find which part of the sword to hold. No more boys and cravens. No padded jerkins and sticks. You are soft and fat, boy, and that will not stand. If you do not become a worthy heir for me I shall find one for your sister to marry."I am glad that you were not hurt more grievously, as is your mother. But this will not stand."
>>24266138Tell the next time he screws up and the men entrusted to his command die because of his idiocy, he'll bury the men with his own grubby, sausage fingers.Oh, and good to see you're doing well.
>>24266138"At my foolish son, who's more of a brawler than an heir." Sigh. "I came here to see how you were doing, but I see not even wounds can hurt that arrogance." Sit by his side and give him a worried look.
>>24266283This. 100% this. Being soft with the boy isn't helping, now it's time to be strong with him, if that is all he respects.
>>24266138"Pardon me, your majesty, for daring to disturb your complex train of thoughts.But on a less sarcastic note, I'd like to know how long you think you can keep acting like a pit fighter from Astapor, and when you intend to act your age and start behaving in a way which would be acceptable as a Heir.My patience and goodwill extends only so far. There is always the Wall for men who want act like a lowborn rat."
>>24266283this.Also make a mental note to sex the wife on occasions on the off chance we can produce another son in case this one is unable/unfit to carry on our legacy.
>>24266408I suggested this earlier, as we could do with more children, regardless of gender, to marry off for alliances to strengthen our house.
>>24266449Aye, seconding this. If we need to import some codfish, lemoncakes, or whatever to please our wife then so be it. But we need more children.
>>24266185>>24266200A dismissive snort, followed by a sudden cry as the fragment of metal is removed from him. The Maester quickly flinches away, placing the arrowhead aside and before he hesitantly returns to clean and dress the wound."Don't need a damn sword to kill a man... Steel's for cowards. I don't need to hide behind a bloody sword."You can see him eyeing Ambition with disdain, fat pink lips curling in a sneer."I'm alive, ain't I? And the idiot who shot me died. I made sure of that."You can't help but wonder what sort of archer could possibly miss your son, looking at the size of him.>>24266221"I ain't gonna have other men fight for me. I ain't a coward, Artys."He never calls you father."Weapons don't matter anyway. I can fight with a sword, I can fight with whatever damn weapon I choose. I just choose my fists. That's how I'll rule as well if I damn have to, with my bloody fists."He waves a ham-like fist in the air.>>24266283>>24266286>>24266318>>24266320>>24266347"I'll practice as much as you damn want, Artys. Doesn't mean that you're gonna change my mind. I'll fight however I damn well please and I'll rule however I damn well please. I ain't you and you ain't gonna turn me into you. Seven Hells, look at me. I ain't ever gonna be the Harrock you want. Might as well just call me a bastard and get it done with."After a short silence, the boy's temper begins to cool and he murmurs again."And thanks. Glad you're all right too... Hope you got more action that we did. Was dull in the mountains, except for that archer."
>>24266474Have some players or bards come to give us music and plays, perhaps.South Park has taught me that musicals and plays are the best way to get a woman to do whatever you want.
>>24266474>>24266449>>24266408Mental note made.
>>24266491Tell him the kitchens are off limits until he adresses us with more respect and learns to obey commands. He's probably eating our house into bankruptcy.
>>24266491From now on, every time someone sees him fighting in a manner we deem barbaric, he is to go without food for a day.
>>24266531His square, piggy face scowls briefly at his command and you feel like he's going to burst into another rant or maybe even lash out at you... But thankfully, he just groans in pain as Maester Llelewyn interrupts with a well-timed jerk of a needle, while stitching the wound. He even gives the boy an apologetic smile."Fine. Whatever."
>>24266578I'll wait for agreement on that one.
>>24266578>>24266609I'd say going without food until he changes his tone is enough for the moment.
>>24266491"Action. Yes. I killed several boys just like you today. Thinner than you, it may be, but just as pigheaded. I took their heads at Wetrock where you like to piss from the crenelations when you go out riding. One stroke for each of them, right at the base of the neck. When you're older and have a steadier hand I'll show you how to do it."'The man that passes the sentence should swing the sword'. Some Northern lord told me that in the burning ruins of King's Landing, and he had the right of it. Whether you like it or not you are a Harrock and you will carry yourself like one. One man I do remember is Stannis Baratheon, now the Lord of Dragonstone. He is just and hard as castelforged iron. You are too old to begin to squire, aye, but I'd wager you could learn from him as his ward out with the Narrow Sea all about you."Fists are a fool's weapon. You did not kill that man, don't think any different. If you do not learn more respect then you will be no more than a fool. If you give me more trouble I'll have Maester Llewelyn here send a raven to Dragonstone to see if Lord Stannis wants a new ward to join him at the end of the world. Do not taunt your father, boy."
>>24266491well well, what an upstart little faggot we have on our hands.>>24266578Our first lesson should be in the sparring yard. We have him fight with his fists against our sword.I think it's time we spoke to our sworn swords and fix the problems with our ranger patrols as well as discussing preparations for our planned campaigns against the mountain clans. Then for some dinner with our wife and daughter. Time with our daughter should contrast the unpleasantness with our son.
>>24266580You will be much more than this son. I'll make sure you will.
>>24266580This land is hard, we need to be harder, and use every tool at our disposal as well, you'll learn that if I have to live till the Eyrie sinks into the ocean to teach it to you, but I am proud of you too boy, you never back down from a fight or battle, and you don't let anything stand in your way.See your Mother when you're done here, I'm sure she'll want to fuss over you for a bit.
>>24266668This. I think we've made our point to him. Let's go have dinner with our wife and daughter and then meet with the sworn swords.
>>24266668This. We're gonna hit him hard with wooden swords to teach him.
>>24266668I second this. Make him learn the hard and painful way why men carry swords. On second thought, since the lad is disdainful of swords and so fond of clobbering things, we should have someone teach him in the way of the warhammer.
>>24266720No. He'll learn the way of the sword and inherit Ambition.
>>24266491What we need is a hard as steel master of arms that could break the boy and reforged him into a soldier or better yet a knight( the later could be more difficult but I could be more than happy with the former.) How old is he? Is he too old to foster him at Runestone? Yohn Royce could be the perfect man to beat the unruliness out of him.
>>24266720I was kind of thinking that myself, hell with his strength he'd be a natural at using one.
>>24266736We should do this ourselves. We need to bond with our son or else the faggot is gonna backstab us.
>>24266736He's 15. I'm lobbying for sending him to Stannis. Seeing the world beyond these mountains would do well for him. Having the Mannis as a father figure would too.
>>24266735if he becomes lord he'll inherit ambition regardless, that doesn't mean he actually needs to use it in battle.
>>24266720warhammers are for fags, real knights use polearms.>>24266735but a valyrian sword is a pretty big thing for a family and if he is to inherit it he should atleast be competent with its use.
Not a bad idea at all.I support this, or if Stannis unavaidable, some remote House in the North.
>>24266778They're all the rage.
>>24266754Send the lout off. If he won't respect us, he will respect Westerosi Judge Dredd.
>>24266754Stannis is way up the ladder to even notice us, Yohn Royce closer physically and politically.
>>24266797>>24266809I still think we should spend time with him training him ourselves so the kid has a higher affection towards us.
>>24266754>>24266797Linking. My phone sure is a piece of shit.
>>24266809You are supposed to send children to foster pretty far away, actually. As Stannis has no children, he is actually an excellent candidate.
>>24266809Stannis' situation seems such that he'd accept any able bodied man though, (not that I've ever read any of the books or watched the series)
>>24266769This. It is the family heirloom. It doesn't mean he has to use it. The boy is a brawler, not a fencer, and he never will be.
>>24266752Good idea. We have enough backstabbers in our family, no need to make our son into one as well. If, after that, he will not be tamed, then Stannis, as said by >>24266754, might work.
>>24266639His response is a bitter, angry stare.>>24266646"I'm alreadying squiring for Ser Morys, the old..."He hesitates, deciding not to be that disrespectful. Not after upsetting you so much already. His mood settles down, less disrespectful and more depressed. There's at least a hint of regret there now. That's something you can work with."I'll stay here. I'll do what I can but I don't think you're gonna be happy. You'll never be happy with a son like me, Artys. I figured that out a long time ago. Maybe you'll figure it out soon too.">>24266736He's fifteen.>>24266693>>24266668For now, you leave your son be. You inform him that you'll be sparing with him in the morning and make your exit, leaving Maester Llelewyn to tend to him.In your family's personal chambers you settle down for a rather plain meal, the most luxury your family can afford. Various cheeses, dates and bread, as well as some mutton. You'd be happier with less but just because you can live happily with hardship, it doesn't mean you force your wife and daughter to endure the same. As usual, you eat and drink in silence.Unless there's something in particular you would like to discuss?
>>24266752seconding this. He is our son and the continuation of our house. We should personally try to sort him out before sending him to another lord of another house.
>>24266897This may be the time to run that marriage compact by them, you know, the one we have been mulling over since last thread.
I'll let you guys discuss the possibility of fostering the boy elsewhere if you like, although he's almost a man - he'd only be with them for a few years at most, if that's enough to change him.But it's a serious decision, so I shan't do it just yet.
>>24266897Ask our wife how her day was, pretend to care.
>>24266897Have a small family moment, as out of place as that is for us, and ask our daughter and our wife how their days have been. Try not to talk about our raid, that isn't for a child's ears.
>>24266897I'll settle with that.Let's ask our daughter how her studies are coming along. What has she been learning? Is there anything she'd like to do (go falconing, riding, whatever. We should have at least one happy child).
>>24266957I vote on correcting him ourselves. We need desperately to connect with the kid before he goes rogue and tries to kill us so he can get his lordship.
>>24266897I have one question why is it that we don't get along with our wife? I mean I am not talking about loving her but making the life pleasant to each other could be better.
>>24266980We should attempt to mend things with the life, especially as we wish to forge stronger ties to Manderley.
>>24266897small talk with the daughter. Gotta bond with her.>>24266957I vote for not sending him away. As you yourself said he's a tad old for it and I don't trust other lords with our heir.
>>24266954Good idea.>>24266957I agree with >>24266992.
>>24266954Ah, yes.For those who weren't present last thread, you discussed with your uncle the possibility of marrying off Brock Harrock to Lorenna Egen, the daughter of the Lord Loras Egen, who is your neighbour to the East. This would allow you to forge an alliance with them and perhaps create a combined force against the trading powerhouse of House Belmore.Do you wish to go ahead and discuss this, or did you mean something else?
>>24266992Seconding this. If he doesn't straighten out soon, though, we'll have to take more drastic measures. We should not stand to have a mad dog for an heir.
>>24267029Hmm... Allies are good, but I don't know if Brock would comply to that being the huge faggot that he is. I say we pospone the marrying until we correct his manners and then we'll think about it.At his current estate if he opens his mouth not only would've lost an ally but we would surely make an enemy.
>>24267029casually bring up the subject of marriage and the possibility of the pairing to gauge her opinion of it. Start with small talk top lighten the atmosphere first. Ask about studies or something
>>24266998Generally a lack of attention. You do your own work for the household, she does her own. There is little that requires you to both be present at once or to cooperate. As such, you've always been fairly distant from each other to the point where intimacy or affection is quite alien.
>>24267029You remember correctly.Hell, maybe that will even help with the Brock situation. Is he hits his wife, he won't hit others as often.
>>24267068disregard this. I misunderstood the situation
>>24267069We need to rectify this - we need to become closer with our wife, if we are to promote a happier family, and sire more children.
>>24267029I'm hesitant to marry away our daughter, as she is a much better heir than fatpants mcstabpiglet.
>>24267104Agreed. We need stronger family bonds, BILL COSBY MODE ENGAGED!
>>24267145Good thing it's Brock getting married, then.
>>24267145I laughed at this harder than I should have.
>>24267104Alternatively, we could just fuck barwenches and legitimize bastards if our son continues to be fat and useless.
>>24267145Lord Hamington will be a good heir once we've spanked his ass every day with a smile on our face.
>>24267104Yeah, make the effort to be more pleasant to her, some flowers and maybe a visit to the goldsmith also less hateful looks the lady has done his duty as a mother. Might time we do our duty as a father and husband and not only as a lord.
>>24267166Oh tits, I misread. Sorry.
>>24267175our house has back experience with bastards. I don't think making any more will help us.
>>24267145>fatpants mcstabpigletHoly shit, my sides have flown all the way across the Narrow Sea and hit Dany in the vagina.>>24267209I agree, and the rest of our house might not even follow a bastard, even if we did legitimise him. I say we go for >>24267199
>>24267068>>24267061>>24267013>>24267007>>24266984>>24266980>>24266974Your wife is a little startled by your discussion and your actual interest in their days, but she plays along. It was most just teaching Katrin and the other young girls of the household how to sew, to read and the general principles of etiquette. Your daughter seems to be quite enthusiastic and happy about the whole affair. She's a sweet child, if a bit trusting and naive about the world. She has never known anything outside of House Harrock, living a rather isolated lifestyle in the mountain stronghold and knowing Deyya, she probably wishes to maintain that innocence for as long as she can. Your wife has a habit of spoiling Katrin.After this small talk, you bring up the possibility of this marriage between Brock and Lorenna Egen - Deyya thinks it might be good for the lad, a woman in his life might temper his attitude. Of course, little Katrin finds the idea terribly romantic as little girls tend to do. She's thirteen - in but a year, she'll be ready to be married off as well.Anything else before you go to speak with your sworn swords, then rest?
>>24267029Just for the record, can we get some more background information on this Lorenna? I'm speaking purely of her personality and physical traits. Clearly, interbreeding with a Manderly was a bad decision for the family genepool. I'm hoping we can avoid another similar situation.
>>24267264Nothing. Just having some quality time with family and enjoying ourselves while doing so, and then off to the war-talk.
>>24267264Let's ask Deyya what she would think about inviting her family to a tourney sometime in the near future. Would they even be interested?
>>24267312Sound good.>>24267292That'd be useful, so we know more about our potential daughter-in-law.
>>24267326>Would they be capable of fitting through their own castle gates?
>>24267364Not in so many words.
>>24267292House Egen has a reputation for stubbornness, pride and selfishness. They're an unremarkable house, but loyal to House Arryn. You've never met Lord Loras since you became the head of your house so you don't really have a good perspective of the man. Nor have you heard much about the girl herself, other than the fact that she exists.
Be back in a bit guys, making a coffee run.
>>24267379It might be worth going there ourselves, or sending our uncle, to discuss the possibility with Lord Loras, and to see what this girl is like.
>>24267326She seems torn between telling the truth and speaking kindly of her family - but she's always been an honest woman, with little skill when it comes to lying."I'm afraid that my brother is very busy with his duties... Perhaps he might send one of his sons however. It is the least that Wyman could do for his brother-in-law."
>>24267379We send a raven out to this Lord Loras, inviting him to a feast at our castle. We kiss some ass, and at the feast we can take a proper look at the daughter.Money will be tight to host such a thing, but it is an investment. We should not marry blindly into another house. What if Lorenna is thouroughly unsuitable for the future of our house?
>>24267488We were saving up for that feast weren't we? We didn't have enough manee.
>>24267445"Would you like to see him?"
>>24267504Yea, we're saving up for this at the moment. If we clear our lands of bandits too, it'll make us look stronger, and so a better match.
>>24267519Aye, if the wife would like to see him, invite him. It'll make us look like we do care about her.
>>24267488This was brought up in the previous thread:You're perfect able to host a feast if you desire, but you're in a very tough economical situation. You have a choice between spending 5 Wealth on a feast (which you currently lack, with 0 Wealth at the moment) or you could reduce your next House Fortune roll by 5 for the next month (which drastically increases your House's chance of bad events in the future. Alternatively, you could take a loan from Wyman Manderly or the Iron Bank of Braavos. Wyman is likely to offer better rates, but the Iron Bank is likely to offer... well, more.
>>24267566We'll save up, there's no need to rush that.
>>24267519"Of course, this sounds like a wonderful idea - it has been so long since our houses have met."Not once since the wedding day, which was a drab and dull affair. Still, at least your wife seems to approve. She's even smiling, which isn't unpleasant to look at.Would you like to move on to your sworn swords?
>>24267566Lets not go crazy with loans just yet better clean out our lands from trouble and get some coin in our coffers before we spend money we don't have.
>>24267597OH SHIT, we got a smile. We're getting sexed tonight.
>>24267584>>24267531Would there be an alternative way of catching a glimpse of this elusive bride to be before we have the prerequisite dosh to host a feast?
>>24267630If we go instead of hosting it... But still, have you seen our son? If we show him in public we're gonna get fucked. Try to pace things guys, stop being in such a rush.
>>24267630Maybe a simple visit to negotiate a possible marriage would suffice? Houses don't need feasts to interact.
>>24267597Yea, but give our wife and daughter a kiss each before we go, to show that we do remember our responsibilities as a father as much as those of being a lord.>>24267614Yea, I think we should clear out our own lands of the clans first, get our economy going, before we start taking out loans, if only to make it easier for us to pay the loans off again.>>24267627We can hope. Hopefully Descartes, one of the Seven, is smiling on us also.>>24267630We could visit them to discuss the idea in person, or visit them under the guise of talking about trade.
GUYS PRIORITIES, first getting our son presentable, then marrying.
>>24267531>>24267584So we set our lands in order first, drive the clans out and begin that resettling plan we have in the last thread. Then we have the money to play politics.
I like the idea of visiting under the guise of trade and discussing our actions against the clansmen. That way we can get a glimpse of Lord Loras's personality and how suitable his daughter would be as a wife without committing to anything.
>>24267738Pretty much this.
>>24267627Not quite. You do, however, earn a kiss on the cheek from your wife shortly after dinner has ended."Thank you for caring, Artys... Or pretending to, at least. Our daughter looks up to you, she enjoys the few conversations she has with you.">>24267606You return to the cold, dark feast hall. A large, stony hall where your voices seem muffled and drowned out by just how ominous and austere the room is. Not only that, but it's easy to spy any servants walking by who might eavesdrop. The perfect place to have a private conversation. You meet your uncle and your three sworn swords in candle-light - Alric Harrock, Ser Morys, Ser Tenry and Ser Boros.What would you like to discuss?
>>24267735He looks like a Manderly, people will think he has money. Or food. He's a slam dunk groom.
>>24267748Okay, this is much more acceptable. Scouting I like, going full throttle with the marriage without having shit to offer sounds dumb.
>>24267768And he has a fucking potty-mouth that will get us in trouble. We shouldn't try this until we earn his respect, we earn money or we have something to leverage.
>>24267776CK2 is a horrible way to learn how to manage a medieval realm.
>>24267761The situation with the ranger patrols, followed by plans to harry some clans northward while wiping out others as a cover.We should also ask for estimates on costs for surveyors specializing in founding new mines.We only have mountains for our territory, it's about damn time we tear from the earth our due.
>>24267738Yup!>>24267776I approve of this too.>>24267761We need to discuss the patrol issues with the rangers, further training for the garrisons and archers, and whether they found a camp where the prisoners said there was one.>>24267838Let's go with this too.
>>24267860Still a fun game though.
>>24267873Yup, that too.
>>24267838Regarding the ranger patrols, Ser Tenry accepts full responsibility for that. He looks slightly guilty even as he says it, although he tries to excuse himself - it was difficult for him to adapt to how limited our forces were after Robert's Rebellion. Instead of eight hundred rangers, we were left with barely two hundred. While it is easier to manage, it is difficult to cover all of the holes in our territory's defences with so few soldiers. He promises to correct his mistakes.Regarding harrying the Milk Snakes Northwards, it's a difficult idea. The rangers have reported back from scouting under the cover of night and it seems like the clansman with the braided beard was more accurate than the others - there are almost eight hundred of the savages there. It would be difficult to herd that many savages in any direction and not only that, but you'd need to chase them across your territory, across the river Westflow from South to North. It'd cause chaos throughout your lands and is almost impossible - and right now, you just don't have enough soldiers for it.As for surveying costs and building a new mine, we'd need to expand to one of the other mountain ranges (either South or North-West, costs 9 Land) and then there's the expenses of building a new mine (10 Wealth).However, there are a few available territories at the edge of your current domain that you could invest in, as Alric informs you. Would you like to know more?
>>24268027Sure, no harm in knowing about the extra land.
>>24268027And alternatively, you could invest further in your current mine to turn it into a highly efficient mining complex - but that's extremely expensive (20 Wealth).
>>24268027Ask Ser Tenry about the possibility of using the Rangers to harrass the mountain clans in their campsI think if we're going to grab prisoners we also need to see about employing a Bailiff at some point - our very own Master of Laws if you will.I'd also like to know about the available land
>>24268027Are there any other non-mine land improvements which we could invest in?
>>24268027Given our reliance on trade and the river in our territory I take it we have a river port? If so we should ask about expanding it into a small village. If we build some fishing boats and get some goats we could become more self reliant in regards to food.And more people means more levies if we need them.
>>24268079Your current land:WESTPASS:Your territory is surrounded by mountains - but to the West, a crude road slices through the range and leads straight to your castle, where the road splits. One follows the range North to Strongsong and the other leads to Crown Crag, the home of House Egen, curving around the Westflow in the process. This domain contains High Harrock and Skycliff.WESTFLOW HEADWATER:At the very South-Western edge of your territory, water pours down in a raging torrent and creates the Westflow, a vast river that flows North-East and splits your territory in two. On either side, this river is surrounded by wetland, which is barely fertile enough for a crude level of farming. This domain contains Wetrock.However, there are some areas that you haven't invested in yet. It's very difficult, due to all of the Clansmen swarming over your territory. These are the following:
>>24268423WESTPASS:Bleakfaith RuinsBleakfaith is an old tower built over a thousand years ago by House Belmore, on the Northern side of Westpass when they sought to encroach upon and claim your land for their own. After their attempt to seize the land failed, the tower fell into disuse and was abandoned. Bandits and clansmen often frequent the ruins.Costs 5 LandProvides 3 Defence and -3 Law. Enables construction of a Tower at this location for 5 Defence.WESTFLOW SOURCE:Northmarsh FieldsOn the very Northern edge at your territory, there is a fertile field. While it could potentially be a very profitable location and would be a perfect place for farming, House Belmore might look unkindly upon you claiming a spot so close to their land.Costs 1 LandProvides 3 Population, 1 Wealth and -1 Law.---Blackpitch WoodsA small cluster of trees to the very South of your territories, very close to where you expect the Milk Snakes are hiding. It's a chaotic, unlawful place that's frequently raided. Otherwise you would've already used it for lumber production, which would decrease your need for trade with House Egen.Costs 3 LandProvides 3 Wealth and -3 Law.---Grosspike LandingOn the opposite side of the Westflow from Northmarsh, Grosspike Landing is the perfect location to build a port. The only issue is the expense of the port - is it truly worth the cost?Costs 3 LandProvides 1 Population, 1 Wealth and -1 Law. Enables port construction at this location.At this moment in time, you have 1 Land available to spend.
>>24268449>WESTFLOW SOURCE:>Northmarsh Fields>On the very Northern edge at your territory, there is a fertile field. While it could potentially be a very profitable location and would be a perfect place for farming, House Belmore might look unkindly upon you claiming a spot so close to their land.>Costs 1 Land>Provides 3 Population, 1 Wealth and -1 Law.Should we?
>>24268250You currently do not have a river port. You are reliant on the ports of Belmore to the North - and they are reliant on Westpass if they desire to trade with anyone West of the Vale.You've got a few business arrangements with them but really, they have the upper hand.
>>24268449Clearly the Northmarsh Fields are the best option.I worry about antagonizing House Belmore when our house is so weak, though.
>>24268513Yeah, let's save that 1 land.
>>24268230Right now, there are no Wealth investments you meet the prerequisites for, unless you would like another Artisan - which costs 10 Wealth. And you have 0 Wealth right now.You could invest Defence into building fortifications - but you have 0 Wealth right now.You could invest Power into building armies - but you have 0 Power right now.You gain these resources through achieving certain things in your territory (like getting rid of clansmen) or at the end of each month, where you can roll your House Fortune (a bad roll can cost you these resources).
>>24268449I say we start raiding the Milk Snakes. Sending our rangers out at night to take prisoners, set fire to their camps, comb the forest of game. Make it inhospitable for them while not directly fighting them. Baby steps.
>>24264948Bolton... shame? what are these two words doing in the same sentence with out the word no before shame?
>>24268557>You could invest Defence into building fortifications - but you have 0 Defence right now.Correction.
>>24268561I agree with this
>>24268475I support it. The fields are within our holdings after all, if on the edge of them.Also, the fast-pace of the Westflow river would make it the ideal location for a large water mill complex; with which we might be able to help jump-start local industry with water power.
>>24268596>>24268475I can get behind this. It's our land, not theirs. And if we can get a water mill going the sky's the limit for how well we could start developing things.
>>24268561Best option so far. We can't do anything else>>24268596We could piss off the Belmore, if we wanna do that we should save that move until we have something to answer that. Either be better friends with them or with another person.
>>24268178>>24268561Ser Tenry bows."I'll arrange it immediately, m'lord. We'll begin to harass them starting tomorrow. Hopefully this should keep the savages on their arses and prevent them from raiding our territory, if you excuse my language."What else are you interested in?
>>24268632Nothing else. I think we sorted out everything.
>>24268620I'm disinclined to piss off house Belmore unless we either have the backing of another house, or until we have the savages under control.
>>24268673Fair enough. Let's wait until the talks with House Egen are concluded then.
I say we get started on those fields. We need something to generate some wealth. And they are our lands. If the Belmores get mad, I'm sure we could weasel our wait out.
>>24268673>>24268626>>24268620>>24268596>>24268538>>24268513>>24268475I'll hold off on investing the land for now, since you seem so divided.
>>24268626The problem with that is, to make close allies we need wealth, and to gain wealth we need more productive land, land which we need allies to take and hold. Self-defeating cycle. What would the water mill complex cost?
>>24268632Have the sworn swords train our military while the rangers campaign is going on - they might attack us like cornered animals and we need to be prepared
>>24268661Very well then.Is there anything you wish to do before you sleep and you end your first day?
>>24268700Ser Morys bows."I'll get on that right away, m'lord. Our archers need practice, I'll ensure that they get it."
>>24268707This is kind of a stupid question, but have we cleaned our sword?
>>24268696We still can conduct trade interviews with people and have some diplomatic mingle around to earn more allies.And if that fails, when we forge our sturdy heir, we can marry him to a house and bond a solid aliance.
>>24268696We could get our hands on some wealth by getting rid of the mountain clans, then we can invest in industry without going into debt.
>>24268707How about some small talk with our wife to keep the smile from before. Tell her a little bit about our day and keep her entertained before sleeping. Also if she seems in the mood, having a couple babies in the making wouldn't hurt us.
>>24268733Yes. Nothing wrong with being meticulous though.
>>24268707Write to House Egan, enquiring about the availability of their daughter
>>24268707Sleep and sex the wife, more heirs are always good.
>>24268772Let's give it a good polishing before bed while mulling over how to approach House Egen.
>>24268775This. She smiled at us. Give her the dick.
I say we sleep. We had an eventful first day.
Swing by our daughter and say goodnight. Then perform marital duties before going to sleep.
>>24268810Nothing can go wrong with that thought process.
>>24268775ahh yea pound that pussy like we're fresh out of jail
>>24268774Maester Llelewyn is busy tending to the boy - you'll arrange for that in the morning.>>24268792Seizing a moment of peace, you focus on the dull, repetitive activity of cleaning and maintaining your sword. Technically it isn't needed, as the blade is of Valyrian steel and it will never rust or become dull. However, you maintain your routines no matter what. The last thing you desire is to fall into bad habits.>>24268844You go to say goodnight to your daughter, only to find the darling girl asleep. You decide not to disturb her rest.>>24268775>>24268763You retire to your chamber where your wife is preparing to sleep. You quietly chatter about little things, frivolous things that are usually above your attention. She's a little bemused by the whole affair and uncertain regarding how to react - she's used to a cold man with little interest in her. However, she's hardly in the mood for procreation and it doesn't take long for the two of you to say your good nights and fall into sweet slumber. At least it's been a good day.Waking up shortly before dawn, you leave your bed to perform your morning rituals and prepare for the day ahead. In your head, you count the things that you need to do.>Spar with Brock, show him how to fight properly.>Send a raven to House Egen, requesting a visit to their household so that you may discuss the possibility of trade.>Send a raven to House Manderly, asking whether they would be willing to attend a feast that you are planning on hosting.>Anything else?
>>24268632What does law invest into? I ask because we have some, and it sounds like something we could use for stability which in turn would increase wealth.
>>24268942Send the ravens first, and then to the sparring grounds!
>>24268957Law and Population do not invest into anything - they are simply used to modify your House Fortune roll.
>>24268957Better tax/tithe collecting?
>>24268942Send the ravens to Egen and Manderly, and then attend to the matter with our son.
>>24268942Sparring with Brock first.The two letters by raven can be done at the same time when we visit the master after sparring.
>>24268942Send the ravens and then spar
>>24268942We may need to meet with our rangers to see if they discovered anything in the night.
>>24268981Alright then.>>24268942Invite our wife and daughter to join us when we spar with Brock, we can have a meal together afterwards, we don't have to be close but we do need to remind each other that we're in this together.
>>24269043No, don't invite them. We need to show that we have time for Brock and Brock alone.
We should try to work on getting a new son. That way if Brock doesn't shapen up we can send him to the wall
>>24269173Fat tits didn't put out last night. We must coo her some more with fine cheeses.
>>24269173We're already doing that.
>>24269184Does she not know the future of our house is at stake?
>>24269043the intention of sparring is that we beat some sense into him. It will be humiliating enough, there is no need to have them watching.
>>24269043>>24269042>>24269028>>24269024>>24269019>>24268961First you send off the two ravens, to House Manderly and House Egen. Once this is done, you go to spar with Brock, bringing along your wife and your daughter to watch - a reminder that you're in this together.You and your son don padded armour and you pick up a training sword and a shield, equipment that any true knight should use. Some men and boys gather to look on, you even hear a few murmurs of bets. A surprising majority of them are placing their hopes on Brock, as he readies his ham-like fists with a grunt. There seems to be a certain feral, predatory spark to his eyes as he assumes his stance. There's little that the lad enjoys more than fighting, even if it's his own father - and he's letting you get the first blow.To-Hit Roll: 6D6 (Take the Best 4) or 4D6 (Automatically succeed by an extra degree)Combat Defence: 8Health: 6Armour Rating: 1Your choices include:>Standard Attack - Roll to hit as listed above.>Dodge - Roll 3D6+2 and replace your Combat Defence with the result.>Cautious Attack - Subtract -1D6 from your attack roll and add 3 to your Combat Defence>Knockout - Roll to hit against a value of 12. On a success, his Combat Defence is lowered by 5. If you succeed by 2 degrees, he's knocked out.>Reckless Attack - Modify your roll by +1D6 but modify Combat Defence by -5.How do you wish to start the fight?
>>24269290I agree, humiliate him too much, and we'll just push him into killing us in our sleep.
>>24269262Her vajayjay doesn't sync with our house's needs.
>>24269262We already have an heir, the future of the house is not at stake.The fact that our heir is pretty awful is another issue entirely.
Rolled 6, 5, 5, 1, 2, 2 = 21>>24269309Let's start with some standard combat.
Rolled 2, 4, 6, 4 = 16>>24269309Standard attack 4d6
Rolled 3I'm a little concerned about our wife not being down for sex. There doesn't have to be passion involved, we just need to make a baby. She's being a pretty shit wife.>>24269309I'd prefer if it were just us and Brock but whatever. Let's go for standard attack
>>24269309I believe just go standard. The boy needs to learn to fight with men who know what they're doing
>>24269309I'd suggest we either make a Cautious Attack, to show him that one does not go swinging wildly into a fight, or go for a knockout, to put him in his place.
Rolled 3, 2, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4 = 28>>24269345>>24269347>>24269377>>24269348Standard attack, taking the first roll. Adding the highest four numbers, you succeed by two degrees - as such, you do double your standard damage, which results in six damage against your boy. You deliver a nasty blow to his ribs, one that would knock the wind out of any normal land his age but this big brute is your son, your son who constantly brutalises other boys in fights. He lets out a grunt and little more.It's his turn. He leans out, attempting to seize your sword arm in his grasp and hold you in place with a grab. If he succeeds, you will need to roll 4D6 and beat his result in order to escape his grab. You won't be able to use your sword and your shield is too heavy to attack him with.Rolling 7D6, counting the highest 4.
Rolled 4, 3, 6, 5, 5, 3, 1 = 27>>24269550
>>24269550>top 4 dice>19Ouch, he's a fucking good brawler!Go for the Knockout next time, if we get another hit in.
>>24269550>shield too heavy to attack him withwutIf you can carry it you can swing it. Bash him in the face with the rim or the boss.
Rolled 1, 3, 2, 4 = 10>>24269550Sheeeeeeit.
>>24269550The result is 19, which definitely defeats your Combat Defence. Clutching your wrist like a vice, Brock holds your sword arm in place and readies his other fist.You'll need to roll 4D6 and beat a 19 in order to escape this. You can spend your one Destiny point in order to upgrade this to 5D6. You can regain this Destiny Point after achieving an important plot point.
>>24269573We succeeded, thats a 20
I know that it's un-knightly to use your fists, but I think our boy would really like it if his first set of proper warplate had little spikes on his gauntlets. Like a caestus.
>>24269583I think it's worth it to use a destiny point to keep our son in his place.
Rolled 6, 3, 1, 5 = 15>>24269583I'm a kamikaze bastard
>>24269573>>24269587>>24269584I didn't make myself clear - I meant that it was him who was rolling the 7D6.You have to beat his roll on a 4D6 or 5D6 if you spend the Destiny point.>>24269577Fair enough, it's silly part of the system. You can shield bash him, if you like - or you could try to escape the grip.
>>24269631I'd prefer to smack the crap out of him with the shield. You have more weapons in combat than your sword, and he needs to learn that.
Rolled 1, 3, 3, 5, 2 = 14>>24269583Use the destiny point.
>>24269631I think a shield bash is in order.
>>24269642>>24269649I agree, hit him in the head with our shield.
>>24269655Hey I got a 15 with no destiny shitcrap.
go go shield bash. Show him why weapons are better than fists
>>24269674yeah, I meant the other guy more. 14 after using the destiny point despite the fact someone else had rolled
>>24269661>>24269649>>24269642All right.I'll ignore the previous rolls just this once, because it was a very unclear and chaotic situation.In order to hit him with your shield, that'll be a roll of 6D6, accepting the highest four dice. I'll accept the first roll.
Rolled 6, 2, 1, 5, 2, 2 = 18>>24269693
Rolled 4, 3, 3, 2, 4, 5 = 21>>24269693
Rolled 3, 5, 3, 4, 3, 6 = 24>>24269693
A bit off topic here but the house needs someone so terrifying that our enemies will lay down their swords at the mention of him being sent after them. We need our own Mountain that rides.
Rolled 2, 5, 2, 2, 5, 4 = 20>>24269693
>>24269705Vargo Hoat and the Brace Compaions are probably looking for work.
>>24269731Seems a little costly, I think we need to make one ourselves.
>>24269701ALL DOIS TWO
>>24269744Still a 15, which ain't bad.
>>24269736I'm not sure how that works, but maybe. We could look into buying the loyalty of some clan chief or something.>Timmet son of Timmet father of Timmet of the Burned MenAll of my gold dragons
>>24269758Well I'll grant you that much.
>>24269736Possibly raise a man at arms to mythical status among our enemies and get a competent group to follow him. Impeccable training, ruthlessness, fear tactics, and all that jazz. Possibly do something cheap and theatrical like allowing them to have chains of ears from enemies or having their enemies right hands or something nailed to their horses leather. Cheap, terrifying, effective, winners led by a mountain that rides styled servant of the house.
Rolled 1, 3, 1, 2, 2, 2, 6 = 17>>24269701Your shield impacts his face and for several moments, the lad seems stunned. He almost stumbles back away from you and you can practically see the black eye growing there but instead, he endures the blow and pulls himself back into the fight with a grunt, aiming to slam his fist straight into your face in a thunderous blow.I'll roll for this and tell you guys the result in my next post and what you can do about it.
>>24269789Oh, and above all else loyalty.
>>24269764>associating with clansmenjust no
>>24269805Gotta agree with this. Gotta be a man of the house with undying loyalty.
>>24269805Agreed. That's the last thing we want.
>>24269793>17that can't be good>>24269805Why? He could be *our* clansman. We could even have him say the vows in a sept and get knighted
Rolled 3, 3, 2, 2, 4, 5 = 19>>24269789>>24269764>>24269731Sounding a little bit like Lannister bannermen there.We are of the Mountains of Moon, we serve those who are high as honour, and we will do everything to make sure our honour is as much as theres
>>24269833Surround yourself with clansmen and see what the other lords think about you later.
>>24269837We must serve with honor but we also must destroy the clans in the area or force them to be so afraid of us they leave our lands alone. An icon of fear need not be dishonorable in the eyes of our allies.
>>24269860>>24269837Come on, we could tame him. With gold.>Meet Ser Timmet the Burned! Look how civilized he is! He wears mail, he hasn't eaten his horse, he even got knighted by our local Septon!>Your Septon is a drunk, and are those heads hanging from his saddle?>Hearsay on all accounts.
>>24269837>We serve those who are high as honourShow me your honour...No, you're other honour...
>>24269896To add to this, our friends in the veil view the clansmen as subhuman menaces to all of us. To create a figure who strikes such terror into the clans would likely elevate us.
>>24269913No. The clans are subhuman. We cannot have them elevated in the eyes of anyone.
>>24269793His fist impacts the side of your face and your entire head is left ringing and for a few moments, all you can see are stars. By the time you shake your head and snap out of it, your son has let go of your sword hand and has backed off, readying his fists again.6 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 13. However, he accepted four injuries, each giving him a -1 modifier. 13 - 4 = 9. 9 still beats 8, which is your Combat Defence. As such, you take 5 damage from his fists, reduced by 1 by your padded armour to 4 damage.Your health will drop from 6 to 2, unless you take an injury. An injury modifies all of your dice rolls by -1 until you get the injury treated. Each injury reduces the damage you took from an attack by half your Endurance (your Endurance is 2, so by 1). You can take a number of injuries equal to Endurance (so you can only take 2 injuries).Do you want to take any injuries to minimise the damage you have taken? Or would you rather keep the damage?
>>24269913I rarer bury him. With the dead.
>>24269913You could. But the other lords would look down of you for surrounding yourself with savages.
Rolled 4, 5, 3, 6, 4, 3 = 25>>24269896>>24269913We can destroy them without stooping to having an attack dog or employing themJon Arryn is not Tywin Lannister, remember this guys.
>>24269957Keep the damage, presumably that heals up quicker than injuries anyways.
>>24269957Let's keep the damage and end this quickly.
>>24269981No injuries allowed on a spar. And also we should go for a knockout.
>>24269981Seconded. I say we back off and try to keep him at range with our sword. The boy can hit, but all his meat is no good if he can't reach his foe.
>>24269957I agree with >>24269994, keep the damage, and go for a knockout on the next attack - let's finish this.
>>24269981It would be ignoble to die by Brock's hands, though I suppose that means we would then be playing as the lout.Lets take the damage. Go for a KO.
Rolled 1, 6, 5, 1, 2, 1 = 16>>24270018Seconded, go for the knockout. We can always talk to Brock later about why it was necessary
>>24270023http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLvqSMWC38MOOD FOR A KO!
>>24269957Take one minor injury.
>>24269994>>24269992>>24269981You have 2 Health left. Seeing as he just hit you for 5 damage, his next hit will knock you out of the fight.Your son is clearly quite a good fighter, even if he focuses mainly on his fists. Do you want to try and end this fast with a knockout blow, as was suggested?Don't roll just yet, I want to hear what people think.
Rolled 5, 4, 3, 4 = 16Rolling for knock out, using 4 dice to get the +1 Degree
>>24270023we'd still have the injuries available next round, and Brock does seem to love and respect us as his father even if he's rebellious, I doubt he'd actually kill us in a spar.
>>24270056Yes, go for the knockout.
>>24270056Yes, I vote for knockout.
>>24270056Yes, knockout sounds good right about now.
>>24270061Now that was a fucking good roll.
>>24270056Brock, your Lady mother said knock you out.
>>24270056Knock him out. I am honestly surprised that a guy fighting with just fists can beat someone with sword and shield. It's saddening really. If we took the injury the next 5 damage would still do away with us so no injuries.
>>24270056Well technically our point should have already been made. if this were a real fight with a real sword our first strike would have cut him open.But nonetheless losing this would be embarrassing, so yes for KO.Also if we accidentally kill him by striking too hard then at least we get a better heir
>>24270056Knock him out!...is it possible we may accidentally kill him or give him some serious brain damage? I'm not that familiar with this system.
>>24270105They're practice swords, I doubt we can kill anyone with that shit.
>>24269913The land we own and the men we command have suffer the predations of mountain clans for a long time, generations even. To accept them in our midst is certain to breed more problems than they are worth, and they are worth nothing much for the trouble they are.
>>24270067>>24270073>>24270074All right.Your choices are this:>Roll 6D6 and accept the highest 4. If you beat 12, you reduce his Combat Defence by 5. If you beat 17, you knock him out.>Roll 4D6, accepting the highest 4. If you beat 12, you knock him out.>You can spend a Destiny Point to increase either of these rolls by 1D6, accepting the highest 5.First person to roll after this post gets to decide which of these options to go for. I will also accept his roll.
>>24270117a hard blow to the head with any object can potentially kill
Rolled 3, 5, 3, 1 = 12>>24270134
Rolled 3, 2, 6, 4 = 15>>242701344d6, totally going for the 4d6
Rolled 2, 4, 5, 2, 4 = 17>>24270134>Roll 4D6, accepting the highest 4. If you beat 12, you knock him out.and spend the destiny point.
>>24270140>>24270141>>24270146pop pop popwatching niggas drop
>>24270140I'm really hoping 12 counts. Because if not, I mad.
>>24270140>>24270141>>24270146>that feel when you rolled better than all of these with 4 dice>that feel when the roll won't be usedIt's fine, just sucky when that's been my one good roll all day!
>>24270164You should've saved the roll.
>>24270140>>24270141>>24270146Thunk.Your wooden training sword collides with his head and without a word, you son topples to the floor in a bloated heap of muscle and fat. He'll come to shortly, as Maester Llelewyn comes over to tend to him. Your ears are still ringing from the brutal punch he gave you. Your girl Katrin seems a bit distraught about the whole affair, but Deyya is soothing her and calming the girl.Around the sparring arena, the crowd begins to disperse. Just barely, you defeated your son with sword and shield while he was unarmed. Only you are truly aware of how close you came to defeat. After a minute or so, the lad comes to with a groan.What do you want to do?
>>24270133I suggest a typical cloak and dagger assassin group of rangers to strike fear in the heart of our enemies. Clansmen suddenly get all "They struck in the night, no survivors..." With some typical trademark like removing a right eye or something. Led by some sort of man we can elevate to the position of hero yet still strike utter terror into our enemies with. If the clansmen have some superstition about how to ruin their afterlife (Like taking feet so they can't walk to the halls of their gods) or something the group should manipulate it.
>>24270211Bonus points for masks so that if the hero ever dies we can simply replace him.
>>24270210Just smile and lend him a hand to get up (if he's laying down).
>>24270210Help him up, and grab a mug of ale/mead/whatever with him - No need to let this become a personal grudge, make it more of a bonding experience.Still, fuck... he's going to be one hell of a soldier if we can get him to train up.
>>24270211>>24270240This. I like this. Much better than 'The Mountain mark 2'
>>24270211Okay, a spec-ops I like. But not a fucking tribesmen group.
>>24270210Make sure the girl isn't scarred by the situation. Wait for the son to awaken then become a father figure to him and try to get his life on track with a rousing yet not demeaning nor long winded father speech.
>>24270257Can we get the boy some fist-mace combo? He could kill Jaime Lannister with something that suits his skills.
>>24270257Yeah. Give him a war hammer, and we'll have a mini-Rob Baratheon rollin' up on those bitchass clansmen.
>>24270210Help him to his feet. "You did good boy, you're tough and your fists fall like hammers, but if that's all you've got then you're nothing more than a beast. Use your head, use the tools provided to you and you can be so much more, had you been using a club or war-hammer your first blow would have laid me out cold.""Now come, let's reassure your sister that I'm not killing you and have a nice family lunch in the fresh air."
>>24270210Go over and check if he's okay.If he's coherent enough, explain to him that I am impressed, but he can't just expect to fight with his fists all the time. For one, the mountain tribes are a lot bigger than he is, and tougher. Two, my sabre is a family heirloom that will be passed to him, and he has to train so he can use it with as much efficiency as our fathers and our fathers fathersOffer to take him on a hunting trip some time soon (can we today, or would that invite trouble?) as you have a lot to discuss with him
>>24270290Yes introduce the boy to the mace or flail. He will love it and it will be able to take care of armor.
>>24270210"Stay down. Breath. Wait for the world to stop spinning. Keep breathing, boy."I hope you learned something from this. You can deliver a beating, I'll give you that, but against an armed man in armor that will do you little good. If this was a real sword you'd have been gutted like a fish, flopping on the ground. That's just the first blow. The second would have taken half your head off."You fought well. You may spend the rest of the day recovering in your room or the yard, whichever strikes your fancy, but you will not leave the castle. You begin fighting with blunted swords and mail on the morrow with Ser Mortys and my men-at-arms. Go now and get some rest. I must speak with your sister."
>>24270210Offer to get the boy a pair of good gauntlets made, after giving him a fatherly nod of approval and proper instruction.The boy needs more then just punishment, he has convinced himself we will never be proud of him. Prove him wrong, we can at least be proud be have a strong son. Just for the moment.
>>24270211ALLMYYES.pngThis seems like a pretty sweet idea.>>24270288Aye, make sure our daughter is alright, and tell her that you were just teaching Brock something so he'll learn to respect other people, and to help him survive when he is called to fight as a knight.>>24270290>>24270299Yea, with a warhammer or mace, he's going to utterly rape everything in combat. We should help him play to his strengths, whilst pushing him to act in a matter befitting a noble-born heir to a house.
>>24270210If he can manage break our fast with the whole family let our son know he's strong but not as strong as steel and barely as cunning.
>>24270308>>24270324These and this>>24270257Gotta make sure he knows we are doing this for his own good
>>24270210Help him up, praise his strength, tell him how close he came to knock us out. If he is not willing to use a sword training him to use a mace could serve better. A lad like him could destroy even an armor knight with all the power his arms carry.
>>24270351And what the fuck are we going to do with our fucking valyrian-steel weapon that can cut fucking air into pieces? Have you thought about that? Will he hang the fucking sword from a wall while he uses a fucking hammer like a retarded construction worker on a rampage? Seriously guys.
>>24270246>>24270288>>24270290>>24270290First of all you make sure that the girl isn't scarred - but before you need to come over, it appears that Deyya has mollified her. Seeing your glance in her direction, a brief smile of approval comes from your wife. At the very least, she understands.As for your son? The moment you help him on to his feet and he is aware enough, he starts to... laugh, laugh quite loudly even as his head pounds and his face becomes as swollen and ugly as a bruised peach from the blows. A servant comes along with a skin full of ale, which he eagerly accepts and drinks heartily from - a brief respite from the laughter. He seems rejuvenated, somehow."And I almost had you! I can't remember the last time I was crushed like that... By the Seven, my face hurts... Thank you, Ar-"There's a brief moment of hesitation before the lad corrects himself."-uh, father."
Want me to start archiving the thread, Plasma, or do you want to do it?Just that we're way into auto-sage now, and we don't want it to 404 before we put it on sup/tg/.
>>24270385We'll make a Harrock of you yet, boy.
>>24270389Could you do it please? Using the same tags as last time.Let's keep it to this thread though.
>>24270210I suggest we make a little demonstration to him next time. Let him hit a full armor target with his fits, let him try to make a dent in it. Then make him use a mace or a warhammer. Let him feel how crushing armor with a weapon is like. I am sure he will understand. Just forget about making him use swords.
>>24270385>fatherWe'll make this boy lord worthy yet!
>>24270385Dat feel when he says father. Looks like our character can have a rare smile.
>>24270385Fuck yea, I think we've cracked it!Congratulations, sers, he seems to have finally learn respect, and it looks like we're going to have a pretty decent bond now.
>>24270365>>24270351>>24270262This is why I sent the rangers to Harass: to start making a name for themselves among the hilltribes.I'm pretty sure if we shave the men there is a superstition - since beards and hair denote manhood in the books (Pycelle's chop off his manhood and feed it to the goats) What if we shaved the prisoners we have after we killed them and lobbed their heads into the camps?
>>24270385"Now do you understand why swords are better than fists?" And after saying that pat his shoulder. I'm not giving up on teaching him swordmanship and him using our sword when we die.
>>24270385Is this a feel? It's a good feel.And I second >>24270409, that would be great.
>>24270385Inquire with Brock as to how he's feeling. Tell him if he feels well enough to come and find us.(Out of Character: We have a problem with the Mace idea. While a good idea, he almost HAS to be seen to wear the family heirloom which is a sword. Also, we should talk over the marriage idea with him)
>>24270425Could work but I think we need a bit more. Perhaps if we made the captives eunuchs before we released them? Our harassing rangers could very well turn into a legend if we train them right.
>>24270385>father not>My Lord
>>24270452Let's not be hasty. Let him learn to use a warhammer but don't let him have his own until he's proficient with a sword.Pic related is my warhammer.
>>24270452Mace and saber perhaps?He would make a name for himself entirely on how unusual that is and could mace the enemies shield before stabbing them to death when they are too battered.
>>24270381uh... he'll use it as his honored sidearm and then give it to his son. Brock is a beater. He is strong, but lacks finesse. We need to give the boy a warhammer. Period. He was made for it.
>>24270452It's fucking valyrian steel and these fagts want to use some fucking useless piece of shit warhammer while he uses that sword as a fucking toothpick.
>>24270463>Not lord fatherIts still a step. Baby steps for now..
Not sure if I like this moving away from swords. Normally it would be cool as maces and polearms are awesome but we do have a bitchin valyrian sword that he will inherit.
>>24270385>>24270381Has the Maester ever heard of a Katar or similar punchy type stabby thing? Maybe a Pata(could eventually turn Ambition into a Pata)? Sounds like they would suit our Boar of a Boy immensely. If we ever get any money we could try and hire a specialist in armored wrestling, like many of our real world fechtbuchts go over in great detail.Getting some of the Manderlys here would probably also help, seeing as they have similar stature and generally use weapons like any other knight.We need to show our son that though his strengths are great, it is his weaknesses that he needs to worry about.
>>24270480Yes, through the valyrian steel to the garbage and give him a fucking warhammer, that sounds smart.>My liege, we're losing this battle. >No probs man, give him the castle and the lands, we'll get a hovel made of dirt.
>>24270452>he almost HAS to be seen to wear the family heirloom which is a sword.No, he doesn't the sword can remain unused for a generation or two. What matter is that it remains in the family.
>>24270385You did at that, I don't hate you Brock, I want you to be the best because that's the only way our family will ever claw its way out of this cesspool of a life.You don't need to use any specific weapon, but I do expect you to use them as appropriate, which also means picking one and training with it, you got me?I'd also like it if you started taking lessons more seriously, some don't have a head for figures so I won't force you, but if you don't understand what's happening in the realm then people will run circles around you and take advantage.In the end it's down to you I'm not going to disown you or send you off to the wall unless you do something truly stupid but the route you're heading leaves you barely better off than the clansmen we hunted like dogs yesterday.
>>24270498Reforge the valyrian steel like tywin did with ice to create a motherfucking valyrian warhammer?
>>24270405And done, Plasma.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24264225/Remember, people, to go to the main Archive page here (http://http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html) and vote for it!
>>24270529Yes, pull out a special blacksmith out of nowhere that knows how to use valyrian steel with our no-money policy instead of teaching the fucking kid swordmanship.
>>24270452After much encouragement and warm discussion between the two of you, Maester Llelewyn speaks up."He'll need at least a day to rest. I wouldn't be surprised if he won't be able to think straight until the month has passed, the way you've clobbered him... I'll try to assist your son, my lord but please try to avoid being so brutal next time."Reluctantly, your son Brock allows himself to be helped away towards the Maester's chambers but not before letting you know that he'll talk to you as soon as he's able.Now that the sparring session is over, is there anything that you wish to personally do throughout the day or would you rather fast forward? Your archers are already being drilled by Ser Morys and Ser Tenry is resting with his men, preparing to bring terror to the clansmen with his mountain rangers. The wetland rangers are currently on patrol with Ser Boros, on the hunt for any raiders just in case.Is there anything you'd like to do, or would now be a good time to skip forward?
>>24270529Wouldn't be a good idea. Valyrian steel is valuable because it keeps its edge forever. Maces don't really need an edge considering they're a blunt-force weapon.
>>24270490The problem is that its our sword at the moment. If you want hm to use the sword then he must love the sword and he will not love the sword until he loves us first.A mace or hammer for now, he will grow into our sword as he ages.
>>24270529That's blasphemy.Though seriously guys, its not a huge deal to not have him use Ambition. If it remains in the family there is no ill luck of misfortune.
>>24270529>Reforging Valyrian steel into a blunt weapon
>>24270559>It's not a huge deal discarding a great weapon because "lol don't wanna".Goddamit. Slap the faggot into ranks and tell him "swords or the fucking pike".
>>24270545I don't think there is anything else except rest. That fight left us pretty battered
>>24270498Ambition is ours. We will use it. When we die... which hopefully wont be for a LONG LONG while, he will use it. First we train him up with a warhammer. it'll come naturally to him. We will tech him, mold him,and he will respect and love his father. Then he will train in the sword on his own because he will want to wield his honored father's sword.
>>24270545We could give an audience to any matters that our smallfolk want to bring to air, if any.
>>24270598And you're relying on him doing things we didn't told him to do because...?
Jesus, we are not dead yet the kid doesn't and the kid doesn't need to use the sword if he is better with other kind of weapon. And if he isn't good with swords so what? Maybe our grandson will. Their is no law that says he has to use the sword.
>>24270585Who said a goddamned fucking thing about discarding the blade?""not using it" != "throwing it in the goddamned river", so get your head out of your ass.
>>24270598>>24270613Guys. Let him have fun with a warhammer. He'll love it. Then when it's time for him to get one for himself, take it away until he's at least proficient with the saber. He'll be motivated to learn to use it so that he can get his hammer back.
>>24270613We are wasting his damn potential. Ambition is a weapon of finesse. Brock is alien to finesse, and it is not necessarily something that can be taught. Get the stick out of your ass and let him use what he's good with.
>>24270565>>24270547What if you sharpen the flanges?If y'all remember, we sent a letter to Egen about cooperating in hunting down the Mountain clans, and since they are on the side of our land facing his, maybe we should just keep probing the Milk Snakes until we hear word from him and can hopefully pincer the bastards.
>>24270598Well I'm done discussing, yes, teach him the fucking warhammer and throw the valyrian steel to the discard pile. It's no use trying to reason when the majority just want to please the fat turd.
>>24270632Im gonna have to agree with the warhammer idea.
>>24270598I approve of this.>>24270609Might be a good idea, shows we care about our people.>>24270545If we don't do the above, yea, skipping forward is good.
>>24270629Not using it = stupidity. It's the best fucking weapon you could have you moron.
>>24270585Good swords are still just swords, if he can't use it effectively he's going to be worse off than if he was using a bone hammer.
>>24270637Why not just make it a warpick at that point?
>>24270637I don't think it would ultimately make as much of a difference. Westerosi maces are not flanged, we'd have to import a smith from overseas to do it... that's not even considering that we'd be desecrating a family heirloom. Just keep it as it is.
>>24270638THE SWORD IS OURS YOU INCREDIBLE TWAT.ITS NOT IN THE DISCARD PILE, ITS IN THE HANDS OF THE FUCKING LORD HARROCK!
>>24270653unless for example, you don't know how to use a sword, in which case it's a goddamned awful weapon.
>>24270667Because he's unable to learn how to use a weapon since he's 80 years old.
>>24270613He will need to be his own man if hes going to rule the House. If we can't trust him to ever do anything without our say so we might as well ship him off to Castle Black now. He is a fuck stick right now, but we will change that. And then he'll be an adult, a man grown. He'll want to use the sword if we do our job right. And then he'll have warhammer and sword skills backed by epic strength.
Let's make more pleasantries with our wife and then fast forward to more interesting things tomorrow.
>>24270638perhaps we might see use in allowing the hero of our cloak and dagger assassin/ranger hold it until a family member might use it again once they have a reputation built. This would greatly increase their fame and associate our house with them further.
>>24270679The only thing we can trust is the teachings we encrust in his fucking mind by slapping him into position and praising him for keeping it up. That's the only things we can trust.
GUYS. WE will be using Ambition. Brock will only get his sausage-fingers on it after we die, which is hopefully in the far future. The boy has to fight with something in the meantime, it might as well be a weapon that bloody well suits him.
>>24270676or because he refuses to learn because he's more stubborn than a goat, and is a bruiser. which leaves him untrained in anything but his fists, and the sword just as useless.
>>24270543Vote the archive guys
>>24270638Always nice to have a good backup weapon.Or alternatively we get him a glaive, essentially a sword on a stick, then when he gets Ambition, he can put it on a stick.
>>24270545Get our wife ready for the d. Talk to our daughter about why we did what we did, and how we need Brock to become a man. But in order to do this she needs to support him as only a sibling can.
>>24270707And you're gonna fix his stubborness by giving him what he wants. If he's so stubborn he will say "fuck warhammers, I'll use fists" too. If not, we could've had a chance to make him use swords but you wasted it to keep the "lol let the kid have fun guises".
>>24270653There is a tool for every man and a man for every tool. If the boy is good for swords then good, if the boy is even better with maces or hammers let him use them. Having a valyrian steel sword does not make you invincible, just ask Rhaegar and Robert.
>>24270727Vote for quality family time. I prefer amorality, but in the Tywin Lannister family above all sense.Also, we need more children, so let's get the lady ready.
Guys how about we talk it over with Brock? He did say he would come and talk to us when he felt better. Then we'll have a better idea of what to do.For now, lets address the smallfolk problems (if any) and then fast forward
>>24270632>>24270632>>24270632Can you fuckers just read this already
>>24270727Got a super incest vibe from this. I doubt you meant it that way, but, just for the record, I am not supporting our children doing the deed.
>>24270790Oh gods, he's right, thats fucking hilarious.
>>24270790Seconded, we aren't lanisters.
>>24270790Oh fuck no, not incest allowed under our roof.
>>24270790>Game of thrones quest>not incesting it up
>>24270777This - better to talk it over with him, now that he now seems to respect us.>>24270790Oh god, no, we're not having Cersai/Jaime bullshit happening here between children.
>>24270710Done.>>24270632Probably the best idea. Seconded.
>>24270790How many times do we have to say "this is not King's Landing"?
>>24270790Damn, now that I look that is pretty wincestual.
>>24270817Incest ruins kingdoms. Ask Robert or the Targs.
>>24270609>>24270587>>24270651Time begins to pass.Routines become routine.The archers are drilled by Ser Morys.Every night Ser Tenry takes out his rangers, killing five to ten savages every night. Occasionally a ranger gets caught and sometimes even killed, but it is a rare thing - they inflict far more casualties than they suffer.Ser Boros leads patrols throughout the day, ensuring your territory is safe.You tutor your son in the mornings and throughout the rest of the day, you handle the coin that flows through the household and the matters that the smallfolk bring to you - minor disputes and little things that you handle with care and finesse.You try to improve your relationship with Lady Deyya, something that she seems quite open to. She's willing to give you a chance at the very least, despite the years of frosty silence between you.Two days pass.On the fourth morning, ravens begin to return.From the Eyrie, you are informed that a shipment of supplies to assist you in your battling of the mountain clans will arrive in a week's time. In addition, Lord Yohn Royce will be sending a sworn sword and his squire to accompany the shipment - they shall be able to assist you with training your boy.From Lord Loras Egen, an invitation to his land so that you may discuss the finer details of trade. He has nothing planned, so you are welcome to visit him whenever you please within the next week.There is no response from Lord Manderly - at least, not yet.So, what do you wish to do today?
>>24270840Are you suggesting that, after only 6 months on the throne, our good King Robert, the first of his name, is going to have a ruined kingdom? Surely Prince Joffrey will continue his father's legacy and the kingdom's prosperity into the future, right?
>>24270829or Casterly Rock
>>24270878Breakfast with the family, and then call in our advisors to discuss options.
>>24270885>Prince JoffreyWho?>>24270878Awww yeeeaaaah.Let's gather some men-at-arms and archers and take a ride over to Lord Egen's place. We need to show our interest and advertise our strength. Maybe invite him to go on a hunt with us.
>>24270885Definitely. The seed is strong!
>>24270878Breakfast with the family, talk with our sworn swords and uncle, and perhaps organise how we are to go out and meet with Lord Loras Egen.
>>24270915this. Should we allow our son into the meeting with advisors?
>>24270957Ohh.... that's not a bad idea, actually. He will have to learn how to run our lands after we pass to the next world, not just learn how to fight to defend it.
>>24270957I'd say not yet.
>>24270957Most def and ask for his advice
>>24270957Good thinking. Seconding this.>>24270948Fourthed.
>>24270957Well, let's give the boy a chance.
>>24270957>>24270981>>24270988>>24270991>>24271002I'm all for it.
>>24270957Good idea. Fith'd? now.
>>24270948>>24270915After a clean breakfast of bread and trout with your family and some warm, slightly less frigid discussion between you, you prepare yourself for the day and pay a visit to your advisers. None of them are amused by the letter from the Eyrie - and your uncle explains why."This knight is not loyal to our house or our causes, Artys. Nor will his squire be. They are outsiders and they will likely be reporting back to their lord regarding our activities here. I am not suggesting that we have committed any action that would show us in poor light, but our choices will be extremely limited while this overseer is still present."As for Lord Loras Egen, I suppose it might be worth paying him a visit. You might get a glance of the girl, or possibly suggest a marriage between Brock and Lorenna. One of your sworn swords should accompany you for the journey, just in case the mountain clans feel like retaliating at all."
>>24270957Your son is there as well, in the middle of the meeting with the advices. You've discussed the possibility of marriage with the boy and he's apprehensive about it - at the very least, he wants to know what sort of woman he'll be marrying, what she'll think of him.
>>24271061You know, we could even take Brock with us...>>24271082
>>24271061We should not leave our lands while the knight is here. Hopefully the knight will be looking for glory, so we can use him against the mountain clans, and show him how much more boss we are than him.
Be back later guys, keep doing your thang
>>24271082Make sure he knows nothing has been decided yet, but if she is good for the House, he will be married. That is part of being a lordling, after all.
>>24271061I think we should take Ser Tenry, and leave our uncle as castellan, have Ser Morys continue his training of our son, and have Ser Boros take the rangers out on patrol.
>>24271105He can hardly do us harm, he is here to observe and regulate, not run us out of power. I believe it best if we leave to meet Egan with Brock, and deal with Royce's men on the return.
>>24271061We should wait for the knight of the Eyrie to get here before we leave. I'm honestly fine with him, as long as we kill savages and don't do anything stupid we will only gain favor with lord Aryn. Also, should Brock come or should we give him a taste at rulling while we're gone?
>>24271061Understand their apprehension, but tell them this could be a good idea to gain favour with the higher lords.As Host, we have to throw a feast for our guests. Maybe start preperations on that?
>>24271148He is not ready for rule yet, I am sure. It will pay dividends for him to meet our neighbors. I suggest we bring him.
>>24271061He does not need to be loyal to our cause, he can not be everywhere, and we do want some of these clans wiped off the face of the map, that some escape is a guarantee, and if more escape in a direction that aids our goals, well, that's just random chance.And so long as he's off hunting elsewhere when random chance strikes, he'll never have a thing to question.And while he helps us hunt and sees our dedication to policing our lands, he'll send back reports to our liege, saying as much, and respect from our liege is worth much more in the long run than a bit of harrying our neighbors to the north in an attempt to claim their port could ever be.I agree with the need to meet with Lord Egen, however I wish counsel on what we should offer and seek in return.
>>24271132You focus on calming Brock and ensure that the boy won't married away without you ensuring that she is good for the house and for him first.>>24271138Are there any disagreements here?
>>24271148>>24271162I think Brock should come with us, it'll give us more time for the two of us to bond. We could even do an impromptu hunt on the way, a gift to present our hosts?
>>24271148We should take Brock with us. Afterall we are really going to meed his potential bride, not including him would only work against the bond we are trying to build with him.
>>24271192>>24271184>>24271146>>24271096Any disagreements when it comes to taking Brock along?
>>24271173Changed my mind, sorry! I think Brock should come with us now.Our uncle can be castellan in our absence, Boros can go out with the rangers, and Tenry can be drilling the archers some more.
>>24271170This is mainly a feeler of sorts, we've never met each other. We can also do some planning on our mountain crusade together.>>24271173Nope. I am for bringing Brock with us as well.
We might think about giving the knight a small war party to command while we're gone that way he can't say that we are off playing politics while we claim to be fighting moutain tribes though only if he seems competent.
>>24271218>>24271211>>24271192>>24271202All right then. While your uncle handles the coin and the smallfolk in your stead, while Ser Boros leads the patrols and while Ser Morys drills the archers, you make your leave for Crown Crag, the land of House Egen. Accompanying you is your son, Brock Harrock and your sworn sword, Ser Tenry. What will await you at the house of Lord Loras Egen?Tune in on Friday, 9PM GMT for the third episode of A Game of Thrones - The Quest of House Harrock. That's all for tonight.Feel free to post any theories, any criticism or any questions. But the quest's over for the night and I hope you've enjoyed it.
>>24271272Thanks Plasma, great thread.
>>24271272I'm betting Bronze Yohn sent a Belmore our way.Thanks Plasma!
>>24271272Thanks Plasma, and it ended just in time for me to go to a bonfire party. Sweet.
>>24271272I've updated the archive now, Plasma, so it's got all the stuff we did at the end in it too.Cheers for the fuck-awesome quest, I'm really enjoying this! I'll look forward to Friday then, when we can do some negotiating and stuff!
Thanks for running the quest, OP. I look forward to Friday.
>>24271336I appreciate it. It's nice to get back into the routine of doing quests and contributing something to /tg/, even if it's an over-saturated medium.
>>24271353As a fellow questrunner, I want you to know that your effort is appreciated. Its hard work, and you take a lot of shit from anti-quest guys, but know that we all love you for it.
>>24271353No worries man, you're doing a brilliant job.>>24271399I really don't get the hate, especially now you can just hide the quest threads. It's just stupid, really.
>>24271419>>24271399I certainly understand the hate and personally, I despise this many quests being active on /tg/ at once. It's what has stopped me from running them for over two years.But it is nice to be running again.
>>24271493The vitriol is a bit unnecessary, but I do see why some people don't like it. As a GM and questrunner, it suits me fine, but people who don't do quests get frustrated, and they have a right to be, especially as the most popular ones are BFQ and the /a/ quests. I don't have an issue with those, even participate in some of them, but those I can understand the hate for.