Welcome to the fifth episode of A Game of Thrones – The Quest of House Harrock.Previously: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24402084All Previous Threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=HarrockIn this quest, the year is 284AL and it is six months after Robert Baratheon was crowned king. You are Ser Artys Harrock, thirty-eight years old and the head of House Harrock, sworn to House Arryn of the Mountain and Vale. You are a dedicated, devoted and cunning man, eager to see the rebirth of your house from its ruined state. With a head for numbers, a good sword-hand and an exotic Valyrian yataghan named 'Ambition,' you shall lead your family to new wealth and new stability.During the last episode, you did many things to advance the growth of House Harrock. From gradually creating a militia of hunters and trappers to renegotiating your trade deals with the nebulous Lord Benedar Belmore. Unfortunately, everything became a little sour towards the end of the month – armed with castle-forged arrows, an unseen force devastated your rangers during a late night guerilla mission intended to harass the hillfolk population. In an attempt to take advantage of the strife, the mountain men laid siege to one of your towers. At the end of last session you had just broken the Milk Snakes' assault on Wetrock and sent them packing back to their mountain hideaway.Is anyone interested in continuing?
Brock the rock needs to unleash his hamfisted fury this session.
Damn right we are!
>>24475293>>24475297All right, that's a beginning. I'll post a few details to attract more attention and hopefully, this session will be more exciting than the end of the last one!A collection of important characters, for those who like the little details:>http://pastebin.com/PsCVnNnv
Westpass. This is your land, your territory, your home. It's a harsh and unforgiving place, sparsely populated by evergreens and hardy shrubs. It's a steep valley filled with sudden falls, treacherous cliffs and unexpected gutters and furrows. Anyone who lives in this part of the Vale of Arryn quickly learns to walk softly and with great care.Splitting Westpass in half is a great river just as unimaginatively named, the Westflow. Born from a great sheet of water that descends from the mountains, the small stream quickly transforms into a great raging current, with many muddy little rills and brooks contributing to its size. Despite the dangerous pace at which it flows, there are a few safe places where the river can be forded.Clinging to the mountains on either side of the Westflow, the road for which the region is named winds and bends, a well-worn path of gravel and dirt that it is your duty to protect and maintain. One of the few routes in and out of the Vale, many merchants use the Westpass for their trade routes for a certain fee. To the North, the road leads to Strongsong. To the East, the road leads to Crown Crag.Finally, there are the great structures of Westpass. The hub of civilisation is High Harrock, a grim and foreboding structure that brings comfort to the inhabitants of the region as the sole provider of protection, boasting an iron mine and great solid stone walls. Then there are the two towers that guard it; Skycliff built amongst the peaks and Wetrock built upon a solid stone foundation beside the Westflow.But what about the people who live here? There are a few thousand smallfolk scattered throughout the land, in huts and hovels that dot the rocky landscape. It's a hard life but honest life, where they harvest and farm what they can, whenever they can. Some keep herds of hardy mountain goats for their meat and milk, while others farm lettuces, berries and edible ferns.This is your land and these are your people. Treat them well.
>>24475333Having just broken the Milk Snakes' siege of Wetrock, you call forth the commander of the river tower's garrison. A grizzled fellow with scar-ridden skin, grey stubble and missing eye emerges. He walks with a bit of a limp but despite that, he seems like a capable soldier – he almost receives as much cheering and applause from his men as you do.“Captain Yonsen of the Wetrock Garrison, m'lord. The bloody clanners didn't have a hope of getting through Harrock stone, no matter how they tried to get up the tower. My men have been doing a count of the losses. They got eight of our boys, mostly lucky shots with slings or spears through the windows an' murderholes. Looks like the savages lost a good hundred, through. We smashed 'em right good.”With a clear of his throat, Ser Boros comes in from the side with a blood-stained knife in one hand and a few clansmen scalps hanging from his belt as grizzly trophies.“It's about time that we got back to High Harrock, m'lord – just in case the mystery marksmen have shown themselves again. What do you want done with the bodies? Can't just leave 'em lying around here and festerin'.”Your choices?
Commend the captain and his men for their balls. Ask for the names of the fallen, see that their next of kin get their bodies for proper burial.Loot the savages, then burn the bodies.
>>24475388Burn most of them, hang the rest up in the trees around the tower, as a warning to all those who would fight against us.Were there any clan survivors amongst the wounded?
>>24475388have some of our rangers sort through the dead, maybe we can find something useful
Okay I'm gonna have to leave like right now but before I do: Brock caved in a guy's face with his mailed punches. Holy fucking shit, that's like Mountain levels of strength right there. Maybe it's just high strength without being the freakish tardstrength levels of Gregor, but it's something that's been bothering me. Our son did the Gregor. That's crazy, do we really want him to use a flail? Wouldn't, I dunno, a poleaxe+backup sword combo work better?
>>24475498Good idea, just in case these lot were persuaded to attack by our mysterious ambushers.
Make sure they're all dead, search the bodies for clues. Hang a few from the trees as a warning and burn the rest.
>>24475503I think he picked the mace himself.
>>24475466With a swift salute, Yonsen limps away and shouts for a soldier called Parry, along with a quill, ink and parchment. You'll likely get the list by the end of the day.>>24475489>>24475466>>24475498Removing any valuable loot from the corpses, the bodies are carried away to the side to be burned atop a pyre, using some of their badly crafted weapons as tinder to assist in the burning. As for the loot, there isn't much. A handful of axes and swords of reasonable quality but most of the weapons and armour are old, rusted or just pieces of farming equipment adapted for war. The only arrows you find amongst the dead are the ones that your men shot - no trace of the mystery archers.>>24475489None. Perhaps a little hastily and perhaps with too much satisfaction, your men executed every clansman they could get their hands on. Every body is a corpse - there is very little chance that any of them are alive, after the ruthless execution your soldiers dealt out.Anything else, before you head back?
>>24475572Nope. Let's just go home, but do so cautiously and in good order. I don't want to be taken unawares by an ambush.
>>24475562>>24475503Brock chose the mace for now - but he wants to work towards using a flail. It's his weapon of choice, something difficult and hard to master. Maybe the lad's just trying to prove something.
>>24475572we need to get back to the castle, but we should send some rangers to keep track of the savages that broke and ran. I want a report on their movements and losses.
>>24475601We should have Corbray reverse-psychology him into picking a poleaxe. It's a good weapon, with a lot of killy bits. A guy with Brock's strength could probably cleave sods in half with a good swing of the axehead, crush some others on the reverse (assuming we put a hammerhead on the other end) then stab some savage in the gut with the top spike.If things get too close and personal, he should have a good sword on him.
>>24475644>>24475599>>24475599Before leaving, you send off a small contingent of rangers to keep an eye out for the savages. You can never be too safe.Your journey back to High Harrock is a quick and expedient one, sped up by a certain sense of urgency. Fording the river for speed rather than taking the long way around, it takes you very little time to arrive at the castle. Thankfully, there is no evidence of any conflict by the time that you arrive at the castle and the gates open to grant you and your victorious men access. The archers are kept on alert, constantly watching for any sign of attack from the walls while you call your knights to the grim, foreboding feast hall once more. Even starting a roaring blaze in the fireplace of the hall does little to quell the oppressive atmosphere.Assembled about the table are your sworn swords, Ser Morys, Ser Boros and even Ser Tenry, nursing his covered wound with a bottle clutched firmly in his hand. Ser Lyn from House Corbray makes himself comfortable while your son Brock listens with interest and your uncle Alric stands off to the side with a cold expression of distaste.“My lord Artys Harrock, perhaps once you're done with this council we might talk – in private.”Ser Morys quickly butts in once your uncle is finished speaking.“That can wait, Alric. First, we need to address the situation. We need to eradicate the Milk Snakes as soon as possible but we cannot do it with our existing forces. Even with the aid of House Egen, we would be left far too vulnerable and easy to attack. What if these archers return?”
>>24475644Sounds good to me!
House Harrock is up.... awwwww yiisssss
>>24475691We need to find out who those ambushers were - whether they were from Belmore, in order to try to push us into pledging fealty to them, or whether they are followers of our bastard brother, deserters from back during the Rebellion.But what Morys says is true - we need to expand our forces if we're to take out the Milk Snakes. Ideally, the forces of us and Egen combined, excluding our garrisons, should be of equal size to the remaining Milk Snakes in order to guarantee victory.
>>24475691Talk to uncle, it sounds like he knows something we really need to know.
>>24475691Let's have our advisers each come up with their own suggestions while we meet with our uncle in private.
>>24475659The system seems to have a pretty interesting idea when it comes to flails - they're one of the best weapons in the game, with their only disadvantage being the large amount of training required.With either a pole-axe or a flail, Brock would be able to do 10 damage per degree. With his fists, he's currently capable of doing 5 damage per degree.To put this into context, you currently do 3 damage per degree with your Valyrian bastard sword. Then again, you're not an optimised fighter. Brock definitely is.
>>24475776Wow. Have him fight with a poleax until he's mastered the flail then.
>>24475758>>24475743>>24475741Leaving the others to talk amongst themselves and share their thoughts and information with each other, you leave with your uncle to have a more private discussion.Once you and your uncle are alone in the confines of a separate room, he opens his mouth to speak. His tone is a grim and serious one.“I know that you believe your brother is responsible for this, Artys. If that is the case then I would hope that this situation would be resolved peacefully. For generations House Harrock has been ruled by two men; a warrior and a steward. A strong military leader to bring our house power and glory and a wise man by his side, to ensure the stability and prosperity of our lands. This is how it has always been. Two towers guarding the mountain; you and Ulrif were meant to continue this tradition.“A single Harrock cannot hope to rule this house alone, Artys. Your grandfather – my father – cast out his bastard brother and walked down the same path you're walking. He brought our house only ruin, losing Grimarbour to House Belmore and letting the hill tribes run rampant. Your father and I managed to bring back our dynasty from the brink but only together. Now you seek to reign alone.“Two brothers standing together, Artys. That's what keeps our house strong. Whether your brother was behind this attack or not, you need him by your side if you want House Harrock to thrive. You need to forgive each other. Bastard or not, you need Ulrif Stone.”
>>24475822I he joking? Didn't Ulrif Stone do some pretty nasty shit?
>>24475822I don't know about that. I don't think allying with Ulrif is a good idea.
He chose the wrong side. It's not up to us to forgive him, it is up to the king.
>>24475850He stole almost all of the family's army and tried to cripple Jon Arryn's army before the Battle of the Bells during Robert's Rebellion. If it wasn't for your efforts to warn Lord Arryn, your house would have likely been dismantled for its treachery.So in your eyes, yes. He did some nasty shit.
>>24475903Welp, then our dear uncle is wrong. We will not ally with the bastard Ulric. Besides, he's responsible for the death of the eight men at Wetrock and our mountain rangers.
>>24475822"I do not seek to rule alone, I seek to rule alongside my son. The boy is every bit the soldier that I am the steward, he merely needs the proper lessons to bring this to light."
>>24475928And he's aiding the mountain savages. He seeks to ruin our house, to hell with tradition. He is the enemy of the people we lord over.
>>24475961This. Brock will be our sword.
>>24475903Hell naw!Yell at the dude who suggested it. Yell loud and hard, and let him who who runs this house.
>>24475850>>24475865>>24475885With a sigh of irritation, Alric mops at his brow."You're my blood, Artys. You're the ruler of this house even though I am loathe to admit it, your son is its future. I can't force you to do anything, I only hope you can come to see the wisdom of what I am suggesting. Ulrif did what he thought was right for the house - think of what happened from his eyes. He was seizing an opportunity and in his eyes, you turned your back on him. If he is responsible for this attack, I only hope you will be able to end the bloodshed by making peace with your brother."And if he isn't, then peace shall be much easier to come by. This is your house, Artys and you rule it. But you won't be able to rule alone.">>24475961>>24475980"And nor will you son, when your day comes to pass. Shall we return to the others?"He seems weary and tired after the discussion, his hopes for the future clearly low.
>>24475903I dunno, we should at least entertain the idea. With the extra military forces he would bring, we can destroy the clans in our territory, and then appear strong enough to force our claim to the port now owned by Belmore.
>>24476025"I realize my son will not be able to rule alone, whether I need to adopt a child into the house or father another I will get him a brother."
>>24476031I agree - exploring the idea, even if we don't go through with having him back, might be easier than trying to fight him.
>>24476025Tell him you'll think about it.Return to the council, ask for their opinions on how to go ahead. Try to involve brock in the discussion.
>>24476072Alric is working for Ulric.Hang that fucker on the front lawn.
>>24476088Sounds like a good compromise.
>>24476025"Yes, uncle. You know I do value your counsel?"No need to hurt his feelings. He's just a traditionalist.>>24476088Seconded.
>>24476104Alric is just giving counsel, as he is meant to, thinking of solutions we wouldn't normally think of ourselves. He is right that we could use the extra soldiers.
>>24476025How would we even get in touch with our brother?
>>24476144Ulric doesn't want to lead with others. If he did, he wouldn't have stolen half our house and tried to turn against the (Aryns?).Don't even consider it, and keep an eye on Alric from now on.
>>24476058We might consider a direct line exclusive inheritance on the domain like the Dornish, regardless of male or female line.However without a Dornish Wife we can get to pull such shenanigans. Perhaps getting such a line in our house, to ensure the best possible heir...Because while I like Brock, i don't feel he really is statesman material. We need some heavy duty support for him, or get a second heir, and sadly our daughter who seems to be quite nice if a bit quaint while non eligible would still not cut it from what we have seen so far.So there might be some wisdom to what our uncle is suggesting. Even if we wont forgive ulric, we need some kind of support for our heirs.
>>24476149You haven't the slightest idea. As far as you know, your brother is somewhere in the wilderness of the Vale. He might be dead, for all you know.>>24476088You'll think on it. You do not promise your uncle more, nor do you promise him less. It definitely isn't an idea that you feel like acting on immediately. You return to the sound of heated discussion between the various knights as they discuss their various options, each one with an opinion of his own.Ser Morys, the eldest and most experienced knight in your service, believes in waiting. Build up your forces over the next few weeks with resources from taxes. Divide your forces between defence and assault and call upon the aid of House Egen. Together, you will be able to eliminate the threat and hopefully with minimal losses if the mysterious archers strike again.Ser Tenry is slightly more cautious - maybe even paranoid in his drunken state. He agrees with the principle of building up your military. In fact, he suggests taking not only weeks but months to do it in necessary. One thing is certain, you cannot rely on anyone from the outside. House Egen can't be trusted. No one can be trusted.Ser Lyn Corbray has a vastly different opinion. Strike before the archers strike again, as fast and as hard as you can. Move your garrisons to protect High Harrock if you have to, you should take almost all of your men and eliminate the hillfolk threat as soon as possible, with the assistance of House Egen. The sooner, the better.Ser Boros is the most cunning and perhaps the darkest of the lot, proposing that rather than rely on House Egen, we take this opportunity to use them as a shield and weaken their military and their power in the Vale. Make a lightning assault on the clansmen and force your neighbours to take the brunt of the damage, force them to rely on you so that you might be able to extort them and manipulate them.Your son seems to agree with Ser Morys, much to the chagrin of his tutor.
>>24476291Well, the clansmen number about 800 in all. What are ours and House Egen's forces? Can Ser Terny give us an estimate on the number of archers?
>>24476291I think Sir Morys has the right of it.
>>24476291Can't we drive the savages into the lands of house rich asshole instead?
>>24476346We killed one hundred at Wetrock and around that many have been whittled down by the raids, I think. There should only be 600 clansmen left now, and less than half of them warriors.>>24476291I like Ser Boros's idea.
>>24476346"I'd say about no more than two-score. Maybe fifty at the most. Wasn't many, but they had good arrows and they knew how to shoot. One volley crippled a good twenty of my men. Never even saw the bastards. As for our forces..."You have:>90~ Trained Garrison (Wetrock)>100 Trained Garrison (Skycliff)>80~ Trained Rangers (Mountain)>100~ Trained Rangers (Wetlands)>100 Green ArchersHouse Egen has:>300 Trained Militia (armed with proper weapons)>200 Green Militia (armed with crude weapons)>100 Scouts (Forest)As for the mountain men, you recall what Ser Tenry sent you. They have:>Three hundred civilians. Potential combatants, likely inexperienced.>Three hundred raiders, armed and armoured for quick assaults, not prolonged fights. Some of them seem quite green but most carry themselves well. They probably do most of the hunting. You killed roughly a hundred of them today.>A large group of big brutes. Some have castle-forged axes and hammers. Heavy hitters, seem to be well-trained. They guard the chief, old one-eyed bastard with muscles like a bear. Maybe a hundred of them.>A bunch of slingers. A hundred or so, not very well-armed or very well-trained.
>>24476291I have to agree with Ser Lyn. We may even temporally leave a skeleton crew in both of the towers and also use the rest of the garrisons for the attack.
>>24476365House Belmore is to the North, while the savages are to the South. In order to chase them to Strongsong, you'd need to chase them across one of the fastest running rivers in Westeros and across the valley that you call home.In short, it'd be very, very difficult.
I know many will disagree with what I am about to say but what if we ask Belmore for help? Lower the tax in exchange for military help and try reconcile with him make our relationship more amiable.
>>24476548>>24476491>>24476368>>24476364I'll wait for agreement from you guys - feel free to discuss this for as long as you need. But I don't want to make a choice that the majority doesn't agree on.
>>24476466Ahhh, the odds are too close. We'll have to begin a build-up.
How long until the end of the month? We should be able to get some more soldiers and upgrade our existing ones by then.
>>24476614Less than a week. Only a few days, really. But you don't know if the mountain men will pick their courage up again.
>>24476632Let's reinforce the garrisons at each tower with archers until then, they should be able to withstand any assault the mountain clans can manage. We can hold out for less than a week until upgrading things.
>>24476598Agreed. Chasing after mountain savages while leaving our holds unguarded is what mystery archers want.We should help out the raided villages if possible in the meantime.
>>24476632I say we should follow Ser Morys' advice. A short buildup, and then a combined campaign.
>>24476466I have began thinking that maybe making peace with our brother is not a bad idea after all. Also what forces did our brother took with him durring the war?
>>24476657this. It would be a pity to go out and kill the hillfags only to come home and find the Belmores or our brother sitting in high harrock
>>24476657This. We could even offer our smallfolk safety within the walls of High Harrock in exchange for military service - the men as fighters and the women and children as supporters (washerswomen, camp tailors, message-runners, etc). They could even work on the castle itself under Ser Morys' direction by building up the fortifications in case we're ever directly attacked.
>>24476706I like this. Full mobilization! War economy! Woo!
>>24476657>unguarded is what mystery archers want.Why not give them what they want? No more hiding for them and they will all be one nice place for us to deal with without having to look for them.
>>24476706It's time for total war. Seconded.
>>24476684Two hundred infantrymen, four hundred archers and a small force of cavalry, led by almost all of your house's sworn swords. That's what Ulrif took with him and squandered. Only Ser Morys and Ser Tenry were left behind, and Ser Boros is a recent arrival. You were left with only the rangers and the garrisons - the green archers are brand new, as you'd expect.
>>24476733I forgot to add it could be the towers and not High Harrock that could be left vulnerable for the trap.
>>24476466We need to build up especially considering the mysterious archers. Who considering their skill I am gonna guess that their elite cadre.
>>24476755How much more experience do the archers need before they're no longer green? Not trying to be asinine, I'm just curious. Daily training and taking part in a successful sortie should have them in decent shape.
>>24476654>>24476598>>24476657>>24476664>>24476690It's too early to agree on a specific plan. But one thing's for certain, you need to build up your forces before you can make an assault. Almost all of your men seem pleased with this, although Ser Boros is a little hesitant and Ser Lyn is displeased. He seems to have a philosophy of quick, decisive and efficient action. The Corbray knight certainly despises all of this waiting.In addition to this, you begin your plans for a wartime economy. Is there anything else you wish to do with your council, or to organise? Do you want the rangers to continue their raids or will you withdraw for the time being and build up your strength?
>>24476838After a month's hard training, they will qualify to be Trained at the end of the month. Further drilling will not enhance them further - they need combat experience in order to improve further. However, drilling and training will prevent them from becoming rusty and out of practice.
>>24476755Oh god what a waste...so that's why most of our forces are untested and barely out of training. Yeah talk with our uncle about reconciling with our brother we need what forces he was left if there is anyway to contact him we should use it.
>>24476847Have the rangers continue their patrols but cancel the raids. Don't want any more of them to get picked off by archers. Would wreak havoc for morale. Only reason I want them to continue patrols is for the small folk who without them would be completely defenseless and left at the mercy of the enemy.
>>24476847The raids continue. The mountain savages must not be allowed to comfortably regroup.Our rangers are guerrillas, use them as such.
>>24476847Have them patrol our lands closest to High Harrock and the towers, and maybe outlying settlements, but not to go into the wild or take any risks.>>24476879Got it. We need to cross-train them with polearms so they can be doubly effective as light infantry.
>>24476898Their not guerrillas plus there are the damned archers to worry about.
There's no need for our rangers to keep up the raids right now. Just keep the patrols on and have a few small parties keep track and report on the savages.
>>24476899>>24476898>>24476886>>24476885>>24476939You come to the decision to cease the raids for the time being, but to continue patrols. The final blow will come shortly, give the mountain men time to grow weak and soft before you hammer them.There's also the issue of House Egen - you sent them a raven, telling them to keep their forces alert. They're likely waiting for another message. What do you wish to send to your neighbour, Lord Loras Egen?>>24476914Technically, your rangers are guerillas.
>>24476950State that we won the battle and that we are now prepping for either destroying/driving the mountain men out. We suggest that he might want to prepare as well.
>>24476950To build up their own forces if they can.
>>24476989>>24476999Maester Llelewyn goes to prepare the raven for its journey.Is there anything else, before we move forward with a time skip?
>>24476950Tell House Egen about the what happen and how we pretend to deal the final blow in the weeks to come and will greatly appreciated their help. Also talk with our uncle that we change our mind we do need our brother if our House is to prosper.
>>24477017>talk with our uncle that we change our mind we do need our brother if our House is to prosper.No. He's burned us before and doesn't deserve the opportunity to do so again.
>>24477017We don't need our brother. We can maybe make peace, but he shall never rule alongside us.>>24477011I'm fine with a time skip.
>>24477031"A house divided against itself cannot stand." We can not fight the hill tribes and our brother both. If we reconcile with him we can focus on the hill tribes we can put our land in order faster and with less costs. >>24477057>We can maybe make peace, but he shall never rule alongside us. I am not saying anything about ruling with us. We are the head of the house the rule is ours alone but he can be part of it again and serve it(with the forces he still has were ours) if he makes up for his past mistake. Think about it more forces to fight the hill tribes and less unrest to deal with and we could be moving ahead of schedule with our other plans.
>>24477011Time skip ahoy
>>24477138He is not of this House. He does not share our name and has before objected to our right to rule. He is an outlaw and his life is forfeit.
>>24477057All right then.The end of the month comes quickly and without event. A handful of mountain men are spotted lurking on the fringes, searching for easy prey but there's no one for them to rob or murder. You've put quite a lot of effort into protecting your people. Now it's time to put your well-earned resources to use.Time for a very mechanical part of the quest. Right now, these are our resources:>0 Defence - Can be used to purchase new defensive structures that take time to build. Cannot be converted.>11 Influence - Can be used to purchase heirs - but it's also used to determine how many dice you can roll for House Fortune. Can be converted to Law, 1:1.>1 Land - Can be spent on acquiring new land, which offers many benefits. Cannot be converted.>13 Law - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a -5 modifier. Cannot be spent or converted.>13 Population - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a +0 modifier. Cannot be spent. Can be converted to Power, 1:1.>4 Power - Spent on creating new military units, amongst other things. Can be converted to Influence, Law or Population, 1:1.>3 Wealth - Spent on many, many things, from investments to tournaments to feasts to better equipment. Can be converted into any other resource, 2:1.Now, one step at a time.We can either:>Increase one resource by 1 (by 2 if Wealth, Power or Defence)or>Roll for House Fortune, which can negatively modify our resources - alternatively, it can provide a massive boost to our resources. It's a risk.Choose one!
>>24477327Roll, always roll
>>24477327I'm game for rolling for house fortune
>>24477366>>24477368All in power right.
>>24477327If I'm reading this right we have a good chance of getting a really good House Fortune roll. Let's do that unless I'm wrong.
>>24477380>>24477327I don't like the look of that -5 modifier for law. What's our final modifier?
>>24477380We've got a fairly good chance of a good House Fortune roll.We have 11 free Influence, so that's 3d6.We get a -5 from the Law modifier.We get a +5 from the modifier for having a mine.We get a +3 from the modifier for having a Maester. Thank you, Llelewyn.We get +2 from the modifier for having the "Head for Numbers" benefit.We get a -1 from the modifier from our deal with House Belmore.This adds up to a total of 3d6+4, which is quite good. Not in the top tier, but it's good.Now, as the highest roll is not always the best roll, I will accept the highest of three rolls as our House Fortune.3d6+4, get rolling!
Rolled 1, 5, 2 + 4 = 12>>24477495
Rolled 5, 4, 2 + 4 = 15>>24477495Roll
Rolled 4, 1, 1 + 4 = 10>>24477495roll
>>24477516Thank god, we rolled Growth.
>>24477510>>24477516>>24477519You get:Growth.Thanks to your competent stewardship and the progress that you've brought to this noble house, your house had steadily begun to grow stronger.You may add 1 to any resource of your choice (add 2 if you choose Wealth, Power or Defence)What do you vote for?
>>24477546It would be Boon if I went with my usual "first roll counts" philosophy. I changed it around this time.
>>24477572Add 2 to Power.
>>24477584My mistake.>>24477572>Roll for House Fortune, which can negatively modify our resources - alternatively, it can provide a massive boost to our resources. It's a risk.Welp.
Rolled 3, 5, 3 + 4 = 15>>24477584Do we also get to do a House action to convert resources?
>>24477610Disaster subtracts up to 6 from one resource or up to 3 from two resources.Curse subtracts up to 3 from one resource or 1 from two resources.Decline subtracts 1 from one resource.Growth adds 1 to one resource.Blessing is the opposite of Curse.Boon is the opposite of Disaster.You didn't get lucky. You also didn't get cursed with suck. Be thankful!
>>24477593As I am getting no other votes, you increase your House's power to 6.You are investing most of your house's growth into the military, preparing for the harsh fight ahead of you. It might be a good decision, it might come back to bite you in the arse. Such is the way of things in Westeros.>>24477626That is the next stage.You can now choose to convert one of your resources to any resource that it can be converted to.Here is the list of resources that can be converted from one, to another. Ignore the "Rushed" option for now - we'll get into that another time.Do you wish to convert anything?
>>24477735Reposting the list.
>>24477746Let's convert a Population to Power.
>>24477746I don't if it could actually serve to convert that wealth in to so little power so I propose we turn influence into law to get more benefits.
>>24477816How much do you wish to exchange? You can exchange any amount - but lowering your Population to 10 or below will incur a -5 penalty on future House Fortune rolls.
>>24477851Dropping your Influence to 10 or below will make you roll 2d6 in your future House Fortune rolls.Are you sure this is a good idea, or would you rather go with the Population-to-Power idea?
Sorry if I've missed something but what benefits does power give us? Dropping some of that for population seems tantalizing as more levies could never hurt.
>>24477915Power gives the benefit of creating new military units - including peasant levies, which are created by effectively converting Population to Power.
>>24477945ah I see. How far away are we from a population of 10 and that ugly modifier?
I MANAGED TO GET TO THE QUEST JESUS THANK GOD.
>>24477989Your population is current 13. So, reducing it by 2 to increase your Power by 2 would drop it to 11, the bare minimum.Do you wish to go ahead with this, and increase your Power from 6 to 8 by decreasing your Population from 13 to 11?
>>24478025I think yes, sounds pretty sensible since we're gonna be swimming in backstabs soon.
>>24478025Given the likely hood of military shenanigans soon I'd say yes.
>>24478050All right. The quest has slowed down a lot - I seem to notice that lots of people dislike the mechanical aspects. Nonetheless, here's something for people to talk about.Here's the "shopping list" of military units which you can raise. Discuss what you think you want to purchase with your Power.
>>24478121We're at 8 power total converting pop, right?
>>24478121What do the abilities and discipline modifiers do if you don't mind me asking?
>>24478121Trained Cavalry maybe? But I don't know how effective that will be in the mountains...Veteran Guerillas maybe?
>>24478121Let's get some Guerillas. Maybe some longbowmen from the Riverlands?
>>24478187We shouldn't keep getting ranged, I think some sturdy infantry or cavalry would make us good.Either that or spamming a couple guerrillas
>>24478170seconding the guerrillas. I don't think cavalry will be that effective in the mountains against the clans.
>>24478229I think cavalry is always effective, since charges can be buttdevastating to unorganized infantry.
>>24478121We should get Trained Infantry, we have enough guerillas as is.
>>24478214Cavalry are not effective in mountainous warfare and cost a lot more to maintain than infantry units. I was thinking ranged guerrillas could combat the mystery archers pretty well. I'd be more in favor of maxing out our green archers' melee capabilities.
>>24478250Voting for infantry.>>24478261Too much ranged soldiers, they're gonna get raped if we get in melee.
>>24478250i agree for infantry
>>24478187Thirding guerrillas, through in some infantry too, we are too ranged dependent unless we bring in our Garrison too.On a side note what class of infantry is it that we hire?
>>24478169The Discipline is to symbolise how easy your men are to order around and how quickly they are to rally - the lower the better.Meanwhile, the abilities signify what the unit is specialised in. Important abilities include:>Fighting - How good the unit is at melee combat>Marksmanship - How good the unit is at shooting>Awareness - How good the unit is at avoiding hits and spotting hidden units.>Stealth - How good the unit is at hiding.>Agility - How good the unit is at avoiding hits and doing damage with ranged and agile weapons.>Athletics - How good the unit is at avoiding hits and doing damage with melee and throwing weapons.>Endurance - How good the unit is at taking hits.Hope that helps.
>>24478245cavalry charges need open areas to be effective. I'm getting that most of our land is forested or mountainy. Don't want to turn this into agincourt.
>>24478297However, investing in so many archers is gonna bite us in the ass, we need people proficient in melee so they can hold the line while our archers fuck their ass. It's either infantry or cavalry.
>>24478297>>24478261>>24478245>>24478170Just so you folks know, this is the game's opinion on cavalry. See the highlighted sections.
>>24478360Then infantry it is.
>>24478328I was under the impression that guerrillas were competent fighters. Not as much as infantry but enough for mountain clans.>>24478360Surely we aren't likely to fight the clansmen on a road.
>>24478360Infantry. I vote we get some of these guys.
>>24478384Competent in dealing damage, to hold the line I don't think they are which is the main reason why I want some sturdy unit in the battlefield. Something to keep them at bay and give our archers enough time to be effective.
>>24478291lurker here,OP this thread is golden, it makes my night
>>24478328Cavalry however is a good shock element.We have archers, we have the rangers to hold the line and form a anvil, now we only need a hammer. They don't need to be charging through woods, just when you have a clear battle line having a fast shock element that can break the enemies flank or weak areas.Keep in mind that up until and sometimes still after WW2 most battles were won by shock and not slaughter.And if we consider our situation we could go For Dornish/Dothraki style light cavalry, considering we are faced with raiders, and they would be far better suited for pursuit...
>>24478415archers became rather ineffective once the melee has started. We risk hitting our own men. We could use our infantry to hold the line and then flank with guerrillas or even use the guerrillas to set up an ambush.
>>24478429>rangers>hold the lineThat's a very bad idea. You'd use them to keep the flanks and rear clear while your regular archers pound away at the enemy.Cavalry wouldn't have enough room to maneuver in our current environment. I vote some trained infantry with poleaxes.
>>24478429we can't use cavalry in mountainous terrain >>24478360
>>24478429>>24478360Do we have roads to enable the cavalry?
>>24478444Whatever, the idea is use infantry as a pivotal point from where we can manouver and soak damage intended to our back-ranks.
>>24478489We have a pretty large trading road running through our province but I imagine that's it. Unless the mountain clans were nice enough to pave the way to their village for us.
>>24478384Guerillas specialise in Marksmanship, Athletics and Stealth. They're good at hiding, they're good at shooting people and they're good at knocking the snot out of heavily-armoured targets - not at dealing with nimble or agile targets like other guerrillas.There seems to be a majority vote for Infantry. You can purchase a unit of Trained Infantry for 7 Power, leaving you with 1 Power. Is there a majority agreement on this?>>24478489You have a road on which cavalry can operate, yes. However, this road does not lead into the more treacherous, hillfolk-infested mountains.
>>24478527Trained Infantry works for me
>>24478527Or one green infantry+ 1 green guerrilla, right? Or we couldn't do that?
Lets go with a well train Infantry heavy armored.
For anyone who needs a reference of the terrain, I included a general description above:>>24475333
>>24478527Let's go with polearm infantry. Do we get the infantry immediately or do we have to spend time raising and training them?
>>24478527Trained infantry it is.
>>24478541Fluff on the infantry? Imported soldiers? Drafted miners?
>>24478565Lets imported them, we took them into our service after a riverlord was force to reduce his forces. The captain had connections to the Vale and knows we were looking for sword and fight the hill tribes.
>>24478587I vote that they're unlanded knights and professional sellswords. Think Bronn/Dunk's master.
>>24478644professional sellswords would be mercenaries with different costs and attributes.
>>24478641I like this idea. We can name them the Rivers Sons
>>24478684Oh. My bad.
>>24478552That would be possible, but there seems to be a general agreement when it comes to the trained infantry.>>24478541>>24478548>>24478556>>24478565>>24478571>>24478574>>24478587A few weeks ago when you began to build a new fighting force, you bought a few mercenary captains at a generous price from your distant neighbour, Lord Palfrey Badics. These officers would train your men, but these soldiers would come from many backgrounds. Some are the disgruntled soldiers from Erenford to the West, who once worked for a riverlord no longer able to pay them. A handful of them are hedge knights and sell swords, eager to put their skills to use. But most of them are your own boys, native to Westpass. Hunters and trappers and even a handful of smugglers sick of being trodden on by hillfolk, they gladly accepted the training of the mercenary captains and began their transformation into a strong fighting force. No matter their background, they're all brothers in arms now, each one wearing a shirt of heavy mail and a set of boiled leather armour, each one carrying an arming sword and a hefty poleaxe. Led Captain Bonaris, these soldiers call themselves the Woodsmen.Now, you have 3 Wealth to spend. At the moment, you can:>Save it.>Spend 1 Wealth on increasing a single units melee weapons, ranged weapons or armour.Your list of units:>100~ Trained Garrison (Wetrock Guardsmen)>100 Trained Garrison (Skycliff Guardsmen)>100 Trained Guerilla (Wetland Rangers)>90~ Trained Guerilla (Mountain Rangers)>100 Trained Archers (Castle Sharpshooters)>100 Trained Infantry (The Woodsmen)
>>24478810>100 Trained Infantry (The Woodsmen)Improve Melee Weapons, and Armor for 2 wealth.
>>24478810We want our archers to be good with polearms as well, yeah? Upgrade their melee weapons, just in case they get in trouble. We need to be versatile.
>>24478810Save it. Go full jew and use it to boost our economy later. We still need those goats.
>>24478851No, we should improve the equipment of one of the older and more experiment units.
>>24478892i second this
>>24478892Mechanically speaking, they're going to be our ace in the hole for dealing with the mountain men. Infantry wreck shit when facing raiders and guerillas.
>>24478892But they are trained, taht's the max level for all our troops, better than our archer
>>24478851Voting for this.
>>24478916What about saving some of it so we can improve our mines or other parts of our land?
>>24478920Some of them have been blooded and the Woodsmen hadn't that difference enough for me.
>>24478948second. When this is over we are going to be dirt poor
>>24478953Okay... but mechanically speaking that doesn't really matter.
>>24478851>>24478876>>24478916>>24478933How about:>Upgrading the melee weapons of the Woodsmen.>Upgrading the melee weapons of the Harrock Marksmen.>Upgrading the armour of the Woodsmen.>Cost: 3 Wealth.>Left over: 0 Wealth.
>>24478876Third.Also, can we spend that one land point on getting that extra farmland mentioned several threads ago?
>>24478970That works for me.
>>24478970Meh, okay, why not.
>>24478979You can, actually. I'll link that now.>Northmarsh FieldsOn the very Northern edge at your territory, there is a fertile field. While it could potentially be a very profitable location and would be a perfect place for farming, House Belmore might look unkindly upon you claiming a spot so close to their land.>Costs 1 Land>Provides 3 Population, 1 Wealth and -1 Law.Do you wish to go ahead with this purchase?
>>24478884Why the fuck do we want our archers to be good with polearms? They are archers it could be waste of money if you want to upgrade something in those lines upgrade the rangers they actually engage in melee regularly and could be a good investment. And if our archers ever engage in melee them we are not using them correctly in the first place.
>>24479007Maybe after we take care of the clansmen. It would be too vulnerable right now
>>24479007Support. We can turn that extra population into more power; and the land is ours after all.
>>24479007Support this idea
>>24479007Yes, absolutely. We need it.
>>24479007Yes we do. That farmland is crucial.
>>24479031They'll get wrecked without any melee weapons. Versatility, versatility, versatility.
>>24479069Archer + polearm sounds stupid not versatile.
>>24479100You haven't heard of Agincourt, have you?
>>24479069That's what rangers are for those are versatile for that every purpose. And making an archer carry and shoot with a polearm is stupid as hell.
>>24479109>>24479100we should train them in small-arms. knives, axes, maces and the like
>>24479110As someone who has done it I can safely say that you are very, very wrong. Polearms are better than hand weapons in almost every way and can be easily set aside when in battle. They can kill armored and unarmored opponents and give an immediate edge over warriors using short-range weapons like swords or maces.
>>24479109No, but giving melee weapons to a unit that is not good at melee sounds like a waste wouldn't you agree?
>>24479109Those archers didn't fight with polearms idiot, they use wooden stakes to keep the cavalry from reaching them and rain arrows on them because the stupid french men couldn't figure how to flak a enemy formation.
>>24479151The idea is to make them good at melee as well as ranged. This way you don't have to dedicate another unit to protecting them when they get attacked by melee units, they can do it for themselves. It doesn't hurt them at all and frees your other units up to do other things.
>>24479068>>24479065>>24479061>>24479055>>24479035Four against one.After signing the right agreements and pulling out the correct documents, you gather all of the necessary bits and pieces you require to cement your claim to Northmarsh Fields and enforce your laws there. You've received a few letters of distaste and disdain from House Belmore as a result of this, but the fields are yours by right. It's entirely legal.>>24479124>>24479146>>24479110>>24479109>>24479100>>24479069>>24479151>>24479031For now, withdrawing the plan to improve Harrock Marksmen melee weapons.Our current resource layout:>0 Defence>11 Influence>0 Land>12 Law>14 Population.>1 Power>2 WealthAny further plans, or may we move on to the next part?
>>24479151>nohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_AgincourtEducate yourself knave
>>24479146>As someone who has done it>when in battle>They can killthis amuses me
>>24479181They're not gonna be good enough, since it is not their proficiency. Against any half-decent infantry they're gonna get wrecked and you'll have wasted money in that, money that you could've employed in something else way more usefull that having polearm-wielding archers.
>>24479178>hurr durr stupid french surrender monkiesThe English won when the lightly-armored archers entered the battle using armor-piercing weapons - poleaxes, warhammers, mauls - that the French knights and men-at-arms had no answer to. Their formations were broken by the stakes and they couldn't move in the thick mud as lightly as the English archers could, which was fatal. We should aspire to recreate this with our own marksmen.>>24479194As well it should.
>>24479187Yes, transfer the 3 new population into power and purchase a green garrison unit to protect Ghigh Harrock.
>>24479187Carry on. I tire of not killing clansmen
>>24479146Heavy-plate archers sounds like a great plan. No wait, give bows to every baby in our lands, that way we'll have WAY more firepower! NONONONO hold on that, give both bows and polearms to every baby in our realm! FUCK YES THEY WON'T EXPECT ARCHER-POLEARM WIELDING BABIES!
>>24479237Any agreement on this? I'll get up to writing the next part.
>>24479258Using hyperbole doesn't make your point any more valid. It doesn't hurt mine either.
>>24479282Trying to arm archers with polearms makes you retarded, there's no need to hurt such a stupid statement. Archers are archers, infantry is infantry, don't try to give bows to your first-line or try to give melee weapons to your back.
>>24479299>it's retarded!>I don't know why but it is!Just stop posting.
We aren't fighting French knights. We are fighting clansmen with wooden and leather armor. Why the hell are we optimizing our forces to counter full plate?
>>24479306Because they're supposed to be at the back, try to fucking give them better bows instead of investing in them developing new skills so they can be more usefull. Seriously man I didn't thought I had to explain why is such a bad idea but damn you're stupid.
>>24479327so they fire two volleys and then stand around waiting for the battle to be over? That's real efficient
>>24479327Can we move on with things or is this guy going to spend all night trying to tell me everything I've been studying for the past decade is wrong?
>>24479327>>24479325>>24479315>>24479306>>24479299do we agree on >>24479237
>>24479355I think I got outvoted, so sure.
>>24479339They keep firing volleys and you make them proficient at it. That's more efficient than arming them for fights they'll lose since in future fights against non-savages, the infantry that's going to charge those archers is trained in that especific field and you'll have wasted resources in developing for fights they're not gonna be able to win.
Don't care about either. Lets hurry up and do something before I piss meself
>>24479226Those were hatchets, swords and the mallets not poleaxes or polearms, and it was against the French men-at-arms with the great majority of the french knights being kill early in the battle. And the main reason for the English had to use their archers for that was because their army was smaller and it was cheaper to pay men to fight as archers than otherwise. And still is stupid to arm archers with polearms.
After a long month of toil and hardship, you've improved yourself. You can't remember ever working this hard before - for years, you've sat with Alric in his room, assisting him with the ledgers and with the paperwork. Always you were the quiet steward, focused on paper and coin above all other things. You have never truly felt the rigours of leadership until now and it makes you feel alive.You gain 10 Experience Points!You can spend them on increasing one of the following, or you could save them to spend on upgrading a higher skill later on.>Increase Cunning from 2 to 3.You become a more cunning and intelligent person, more used to the delicacies of politics and stewardship. This assists you in intrigues and in rolling House Fortune.>Increase Athletics from 2 to 3.You've been unfit and unhealthy for quite a while now - exercise was never your strongest point but you've let yourself go, to the point where you're feeble and weak. Time to change that. Increasing your Athletics makes you harder to hit in combat and makes your attacks hit harder.>Increase Endurance from 2 to 3.After hours of sparring with your son, you've become stronger and tougher, more able to resist blows and punches. You've always been wiry and durable now you're strong and tougher. By increasing this, you become much harder to eliminate in combat and get more Health.Choose one!
>>24479386Cunning sounds good.
>>24479386I like Athletics
>>24479386I'm in favor of Endurance.
>>24479386Given our conflict with the clansmen I'd say athletics
Also, I'm going ahead with:>>24479237Those who were not strong, skilled or tough enough to make it into the woodsmen instead joined the High Harrock Garrison. You will not lie, these men are hardly the best of fighters but with time and plenty of training, you will be able to beat and batter them into a fighting force to be reckoned with. For now, their duty is simply to protect the castle from any who would dare assault it.
>>24479386cunning, our son is the sword and we are the brains>>24479366It makes more sense to upgrade our archers bows than give them new weapons, better bows means the enemy are less likely to reach us and more likely to break on our infantry. If the enemy manage to reach our archers chances are we're fucked anyway
>>24479401Second cunning. Brock is the warrior of the House, we are the spider.
>>24479386Don't we have a flaw in Athletics?http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24340519/images/1366402443373.pngWe should focus on that first.
>>24479453>>24479451>>24479446>>24479429>>24479419>>24479412>>24479410>>24479401It's a difficult decision, but I'm going with the one that won by a narrow margin - Cunning. You increase your Cunning to 3.In addition to this, some things about your son Brock change, thanks to the rigorous training he's being pushed through.His Warfare skill increases from 2 to 3.His Bludgeons speciality in Fighting increases from 0 to 1.His Brawling speciality in Fighting decreases from 3 to 2.You're still working on the boy's horsemanship and ability with animals, but Ser Lyn will move on to beating the boy into shape, making him more agile and quick. A slow boy dies fast, after all. However, what weapons do you wish for Ser Lyn to train Brock in?>Continue to train him in bludgeons, so that he might achieve the mastery of the flail that he wants.>Refocus his attention on using long blades - the boy will need to learn how to use a difficult and elegant weapon like Ambition.Which one?
>>24479562Keep the bludgeons for now. Thank Ser Lynn for his efforts and work
>>24479562>Continue to train him in bludgeons, so that he might achieve the mastery of the flail that he wants.It's a Valyrian bastard sword, it ain't going anywhere.
>>24479562Flail. He'll be more willing to do other things that we ask after we do something for him.Also, like >>24479589 said, let's thank Ser Lyn for all he's done for us.
>>24479562Do the smart thing ask Ser Lyn if our son as an aptitude for swordsmanship, we only ask him to train him with Bludgeoning weapons because we thought it was more suitable for him.
>>24479562Can we ask and see if he wants to use Ambition? If he doesn't we could give it to someone else in our will our something to gain favor
>>24479651Thats actually a better idea. lets go with that.
>>24479676>Give to someone elseAre you insane?
>>24479618>FlailI am still against this, Flails are terrible unsuitable weapons for Brock.
>>24479676nigga you high? even if he doesn't like swords his heir might. And so on and so forth
>>24479710If we get land or a decent marriage out of it why not, if he isnt going to use it he wont use it. What's so special about valyrian steel anyway
>>24479651>>24479589>>24479613>>24479615>>24479618Bludgeons it is. You thank Ser Lyn and enquire after his opinion when it comes to his boy - what sort of fighter does he think Brock is? Rather than lie, the noble knight of Corbray is more than happy to admit the truth."He would be a poor knight my lord, with a sword or any other weapon. Were the decision in my hands, I would discontinue his training. However, I shall do my best to make a Ser out of him. That is what I am here for, after all."You are unsure whether his words are coloured by his opinion or not. After thanking and dismissing Ser Lyn from your office, you settle back into your chair with a sigh. So much paperwork - but through it, so much has been done. You've created a new garrison to guard High Harrock and a well-trained cadre of infantrymen. You've cemented your claim to Northmarsh Fields and you've done everything you can to prepare for the conflict ahead.It is the first day of the seventh month after King Robert's coronation.What would you like to do?
>>24479744Yeah, no. That sword stay in out family for generations it isn't going anywhere.
>>24479744Fuck no, and valyrian steel is so special because it's magical-ish, it's rare as fuck.
>>24479744>whats so special about valyrian steel anywayNO. Valyrian Steel is pretty much ultra limited edition, and is better than any other metal. Hell, some families like the Lannisters are willing to give soooooooooooo much money for a valyrian steel weapon
>>24479760Aaaaaaaaaaand all hail the useless heir.
>>24479760I would like to being planning our grand assault against the clansmen
>>24479760whatever we do, keep up the romancing with the wife. Brock is cool and all but I wouldn't mind a new heir
>>24475272hey man just wanted to say I've been lurking /tg for a few days for the new episode and seeing this now just made my day! (night actually it's 3 am)
>>24479833A usefull one wouldn't be a bad thing.
I've been following your quests with great interest and would love to join!>>24479833>>24479813Seconding these.
>>24479833Oh, you've been doing just that. There's been a few flirtatious comments here and there and even a few shared kisses, but years of frigid silence between the two of you doesn't disappear overnight. Perhaps the time will come shortly where you'll be able to make someone a little more competent than your boy. Sometimes you'd rather not think of him as your boy, but it's the truth. How did you let him get this bad? Did you really pay so little attention to him?>>24479821Calling all of your sworn swords and advisers, you move to the feast hall to speak with them. Their moods have lifted a little with their boost in the military and they seem to have better hopes. Even Ser Tenry is in a better condition, no longer drinking himself into oblivion although still carrying that nasty wound.Ser Morys still proposes a combined assault with House Egen and Ser Lyn agrees with him, along with your boy Brock.On the other hand, Ser Tenry seems to encourage the possibility of going at it alone, even if it means building up your army over a second month. House Egen can't be trusted, not after the attack.And Ser Boros still has his own cunning plan - that you should call upon the aid of House Egen but force them to take the brunt of damage. Cripple them and turn them into a shell of a house, force them to rely on you for defence and for survival. You might even be able to make a banner house out of them, if you play your cards right.Which idea do you lean towards?
And I apologise for the delay, something came up.
>>24480017Go with Ser Morys. It's not a bad idea, and to continually disregard the advice of those close to us is a really bad situation.
>>24480017Let's do it like Morys proposes even though I think like Tenry we can't deal with unexpected troops if we don't have our ally in battle.
>>24480017not Ser Boros'. After all our alliance is two sided and we may be called to aid house Egen against their mountain clans.I say Ser Morys knows what's going down.
>>24480017I think we should go with Ser Morys' proposal. If a rival house was responsible for the attack, it's far more likely to be House Belmore. We don't have to blindly trust House Egen, but they don't have the gumption to pull off an attack like that I think, and co-operation means we can settle this now and get back to rebuilding our lands.
>>24479807>>24479792>>24479775Apart from burning white walkers and being lighter what does it actually do? At the moment you guys are like LOL RARE MAJIC SWORD and haven't really explained how it's any different to high class regular steel. I can't even remember if he states how it's different in the books.
>>24480106It's the best weapon you can have. And besides being later, it's sharper and can cut through bones like butter. Also it never decays from its usual condition.
>>24480123Later? What the fuck I meant lighter. Oh god I need to sleep soon.
>>24480106it never goes dull. pretty sure it is sharper and therefore has more of a chance penetrating steel. It's also a prestige thing, a very big prestige thing.
>>24480095>>24480089>>24480088>>24480078Tenry seems a little disappointed but goes along with it. He promises to keep a close eye on your "allies" though.Calling in Maester Llelewyn, you prepare to write a letter to your neighbour in Crown Crag. When would you like their soldiers to arrive, what date would you want to make the attack on? Two days from now, three, a week? What details do you wish to include in the letter the raven will carry?
>>24480151As soon as we can.
>>24480151A week. Give them time to prepare. Also make it clear we don't expect them to send their entire force. We can't be too demanding about this.
>>24480106It's like the AK47 of swords, but other than that it's really just a sword.
>>24480123>>24480140We should definitely talk to our son about whether he wants to use it, if he doesnt then give it to our potential second son as a symbol of our house.
Putting out an idea to get opinionsHow about we invite them to our war council soon, and host them for a couple days before we crush the hilltribesCourtesy costs nothing, after all.
>>24480106It's lighter, it never goes dull, it doesn't shatter or break except in the most exceptional circumstances. Also, one of the biggest status symbols available.In terms of system, it's a weapon that cannot break, offers +1 to attack rolls and +1 to base damage.
>>24480183its more like a gold plated, diamond encrusted ak47
>>24480089Do consider that having them call on us excessively gives credence to our aim to have them as a bannerhouse, while them not doing so risks loosing their lands completely, without military forces, provided they cannot shit wealth like a motherfucker.In essence it is abusing of the alliance mechanic.
>>24480151A couple of days, it's not an emergency so give them time to prepare.Should we scout out the current clansmen position with our rangers or ask for their scouts?Scouts are decent shots aren't they?
>>24480184The second son if it's minimally smarter than his brother (not something hard to achieve) we're probably gonna give him the realm. I mean Brock is great but let's face it, as a ruler he'd be fucking crappy.
>>24480184Too early to plan for that. The sword should go to our heir. If we get another son we will need to somehow get rid of Brock and it's a long time before we come to that bridge.
>>24480209If Brock wants to use flails there's no point giving him a sword, we just need to carefully groom the second son without alienating brock.
>>24480214I'm betting we can shove Brock in another small court with a marriage and use our second son as our heir (if it's any better of course, if the 2nd is shit well we're screwed).
>>24480234There's always the Night's Watch.
>>24480233If there's a second and it's better I'm voting on the "Fuck Brock, here's the new heir" platform. Brock would be a shitty ruler.
>>24480234I think technically, if there is no eligible male heir, females can inherit...
>>24480234nope. The first son inherits. If we went against that we would lose a lot of credibility and he could claim it through arms. We would need to either kill him or sent him to the wall
>>24480241It is a possibility but the kid isn't evil, he's just dumb.>>24480254And he would lose that claim because everyone in the castle thinks Brock is a dumbfuck not good for anything.
>>24480242It doesn't seem like he wants to rule though, maybe we should send him to go brawling in the free cities or something, he'd like that
>>24480183AK47 where the world can now only make bolt action single shot rifles
>>24480263It doesn't matter. The claim will still be his and even his children's and another lord could press that claim to gain power.
>>24480245Meh, female heirs is a weaker position. They have no leverage in politics since they're "females".
We need to keep Brock around to run the military side of things. I mean, his warfare score right now is just as good as ours. Next month it'll be better. Maybe we can set it up so our daughter is the de facto ruler while Brock is ruler in name only?
>>24480280I doubt it, Brock is retarded and has shit to offer in exchange, besides if we declare that Brock is not the heir there's no fucking claim, he's not and that's our word. Even if we decided to give the realm to a hobo, that's the rulers choice since the lands are his.
>>24480208>>24480187>>24480182>>24480158You propose to meet with their leaders in three days time - and two days from that, the assault shall begin. Time enough for House Egen to prepare and time enough to you to as well.So you have five days in which to plan and prepare and to care for your house, in the calm before the storm. What would you like to do or to focus on?
>>24480284We'd have to marry her to a bastard if we wanted the marriage to be matrilineal though, so it's throwing away an asset.
>>24480299Help Brock with horse/male related problems, and general family time.
>>24480300>marrying a bastard
>>24480293we can't just fucking declare that it's the goddamn law
>>24480209>>24480233This. Disowning Brock is going to cause a massive rift and likely end our House. We should groom Brock so that, while he is the heir and leader of the military, he should understand that his smarter younger brother is better equipped to deal with the paperwork.And that's if we get a boy in the first place. We spend more time with our daughter as well. Training her in running a household works twofold, it makes her more than just a hand-in-marriage and if needs be she can run the place for Brock.
>>24480284Give brock one tower and keep him as a banerman or some shit like that, maybe that'd work.
>>24480322We can. As long as the new heir kneels to the dominant ruler our lands are ours and we decide where the fuck should they go.
>>24480345that isn't how feudalism works bucko. And I doubt our liege lord would be happy. If we don't want Brock to be our heir he needs to join the nightswatch, become incapable or die
>>24480316Let's work with a boy, and also check in with the wife and duaghter.Maybe a flirtly line about siring a new son the moment we get back from battle.>>24480322We could, but his claim would always be there. But this is exactly the sort of shit that would result in a internal war, which means our liegelord would have to get involved.
>>24480375Feudalism works as the following:Fuck with everyone lower ranked than you however the fuck you want.Don't fuck with everyone higher ranked than you.
This guy >>24480375 has it right, even if Brock doesn't cause trouble any children he has could eventually be used against the current ruler of Harrock.But I think we're giving up on him far too easily, there's plenty of potentional there. And he would probably be open to a steward handling the 'boring stuff'.
>>24480421He's dumb as a brick and everyone looks down on him, do you really think there's gonna be a magic change where he becomes the knightly-cunning bastard the house deserves? Either the 2nd son or we're gonna have the shittiest time trying to balance our realm long enough so another children inherits.
>>24480421That worries me though. He's what 15 or 16 now? he would be pretty set in his ways by now. He has shown himself to be reckless and arrogant and he will surely lead our house to ruin.
>>24480316After a day full of paperwork, smallfolk problems and drilling your new garrison, you arrange for a peaceful ride through the landscape on your rouncey, with Brock beside you. You were never the best rider but you carry yourself with some skill upon a horse - and your son almost matches that now, easily maintaining the same pace as you. He's still not as good when it comes to training the beasts and teaching them new tricks, but that comes next.Going past the copses and crags that litter either side of the path, you move North at a canter towards Strongsong and where House Belmore dwells. Upon reaching the border, you shall return."Father - what are you going to do once we've dealt with the Milk Snakes? You've an army now, but what are we going to do with them once we've gotten rid of the clan? We'll have nothing to point them at after the battle's finished."
>>24480450>>24480456Then we beat it into him. After this clansmen problem is dealt with, we focus all our energy on training him and rebuilding our house. Make sure he is involved in that.Seriously, disowning him without outright killing him or sending him to the Night's Watch is going to do more to destroy our House than he ever could as a ruler if we put time into it.
>>24480485"Turn them to patrolling the streets and training... perhaps set my eyes on Grimarbor."
>>24480511>We beat it into himWe've given up on teaching him swords (bear in mind, not fucking teaching him how to correct himself, just to use swords), changing his personality I think it's out of the picture right here.
>>24480513Don't tell him about Grimarbor, the boy could run his mouth before we actually do it and fuck our plans.
>>24480485"until House Harrock sits upon the eyrie son, there will always be enemies to fight"
>>24480511I prefer to kill him than to really hope in him changing. Seriously, it's not gonna happen.
>>24480485"We're to going rebuild, son. I think it's time you became more involved in the running of the House. There's more to Lordship than beating the odd clansman into paste, the people need to see you are taking your peacetime role just as seriously as your martial training."I reckon we should continue training Brock, we shouldn't even have this discussion unless our second son is some sort of prodigy.
>>24480511which is why we don't disown him, we remove him permanently. He is our son yes, but the future of our house is of greater importance than our ties to him.
>>24480485keep it up in case the bastard brother returns and causes trouble or a rival house does the same, mention something about suspicousness of the raider's with good quality arrows, 'better to have and not need than need and not have, remember that when i'm gone and you must protect our family'
>>24480533Agree, don't make mention of it.
>>24480485Most of it will remain and serve to garrison High Harrock and patrol the whole Westpass a another part will be serve as enforcement. Tell what do you think we should to with them afterwards? Encourage him to think as a lord. >>24480535To say that is treason, so don't even think about it.
>>24480535Second this.Brock should know that despite our relatively calm demeanor, we harbor a wellspring of cunning and ambition.
>>24480580oh come on we want our heir to be ambitious. Like he's going to run to the arryns and gob us in
>>24480558>>24480547Wow, we are a shit father. Even Twyin wasn't this bad. Remember, he only ended up like this because of our apathy. As it is though, he's the only heir we've got.>>24480525He's changed from being the brawling braggart into a fighter taking things more seriously. I think that's some progress at least.
>>24480535voting for this this
>>24480608indeed. We fucked up with Brock, but we have learnt from our mistakes and will do a much finer job the second time around.
>>24480631I think we're pretty much set on the thought of a second son being our heir.
>>24480535I am against this because it's treason and very dumb. We serve Lord Arryn faithfully, even if we aspire to be the first among equals amongst the other Lords.
>>24480535Yeah, let's tell our rockheaded son that we intend to eventually raise treason against our liegelord. Good plan. Not.
>>24480645Our second son can be the Steward, and Brock can still lead without having a chance to fuck things up too much. From what we've seen in these round table meetings he favors caution over rushing in blindly.
>>24480645That's at least 12-14 years down the track, and evne then only if the second son is really gifted.That said, there's no need to do this underhandedly. Just send Brock on risky mission 'For the Glory of the House' if we really don't think he'll at least make a passable heir.I still think we should try to be a better father with Brock though.
>>24480665Ehh... No, I would prefer Brock not being our public face.
>>24480554Second this. Encourage him to start thinking as a Lord would, not simply as a soldier.
>>24480665This is what I think we should go for. And if not the second son, then the daughter can also work.
>>24480602No, but he may get some stupid idea in his head and say something he shouldn't to the wrong people and it will hurt the house as a whole. If you want him to be ambitious tell him that our House most and will rise above its current state and stand prominent for all the vale to known.
>>24480680>only if the second son is really gifted.Considering the son we have, the new one would only have to be of average intellect to be superiorBut yes we should be a better father for the chance that we don't produce another heir.
>>24480680We shall be a better father and half-fix him as a safe-pass until we get a second heir, since we don't know if we're even going to get a second son.For the most part be ready to get rid of Brock, I mean it's too fucked up to be a proper ruler we can't do enough to fix him totally.
>>24480712Or becuase, you know, it's the right thing to do.>the kinslayer is accursed in the eyes of gods and men
>>24480535This is very stupid considering how loyal we stay for Lord Jon Arryn during the war.
>>24480738>It's the right thing to doLol, no.
>>24480554>>24480535>>24480513>>24480580Briefly considering the idea of mentioning Grimarbour, you shake it off. You don't trust the child enough with the ambitions of your house, especially not with outsiders like Ser Lyn tutoring him. You certainly don't dream of mentioning the Eyrie to him either - that was Ulrif's idea and it led to the ruin of the house. Instead, you speak of his future responsibilities and how he has to learn. Nodding uncertainly, he hesitates before he says an idea."Mercenary work. Maybe up in the North, for Uncle Wyman? I hear that they have many problems with mountain men of their own up there, mother calls them wildlings. If we don't need our soldiers, perhaps our allies could use them?"His fat face wrinkles in distaste and he looks ahead again, even he isn't fond of the idea. Quickly changing the topic rather than focusing on his own stupidity for a second more, Brock speaks again."You know, Ser Lyn says many things. Whatever it takes to make me fight better, fight harder. Calls me fat. Calls me useless. Calls me a bastard."A muddy, beady brown eye of his looks in your direction before Brock focuses his attention ahead again. His tone becomes bitter."Almost makes me want to kill him when he says that, y'know. Bastard. I think about that word every day. He thinks I'm a bastard. Great Uncle Alric wishes I was one, he doesn't hide that. You wish I was a bastard too, father?"
>>24480738In the game of thrones either you win or die, and Brock doesn't look like a winner.
>>24480775Yes, I wish you were a bastard.Put on sunglasses and walk away into the sunset.
>>24480778We're not really making a bid for the throne here. And he's not a lost cause, we've got the rest of our life to whip him into shape.
>>24480775"No, but I wish I'd raised you better than I did."
>>24480799We're making a bid for wherever the fuck we can land, and Brock is a liability.
I'd go for this >>24480801but maybe with something nice at the end about how he is getting better or something. If he decides he doesn't like us he may just give up on all training and become utterly useless.
>>24480801Then end the conversation riding off dramatically.
>>24480775"Of course not. You are my son, even if we share little beyond our blood. I should have raised you better, and you do displease me sometimes. But never doubt your blood, Brock."
>>24480775I wish for you to learn be a great lord and that you rule after myself far better than I will. I wish for you to have sons of your own to do the same and make our house more prosperous than either of us will. I wish for a better future for our house, for you my son.
>>24480775"I wish for a lot of things. I wish that bastard brother of mine hadn't brought our House to near ruin, I wish that I had been a better father when you were a boy. I wish that the days of summer never ended, but I do not wish you were a bastard."Time for some affection points here.
>>24480837He's our boy.
>>24480837I don't think we're that ruthlessly pragmatic.
>>24480775"No. I only wish I'd spent more time with you earlier. I haven't been a good father."
>>24480801This but softer. Something on the line of "I wish I was a better father" or "I wish I was there when you needed me".
>>24480866He's a retard
>>24480905He's hardly retarded. I mean he's dull yes, but he's not an idiot.
>>24480923He's not an idiot? Are you sure?
>>24480929You know, we could get this cleared up really quickly of OP told us what Brock's cunning score is. As long as it's a 2 or higher he's not retarded.
>>24480855And don't dismiss your idea so quickly, to lead our forces to allies while we have no need of it is not bad, it can be quite rewarding if properly negotiated. And pay no attention to Ser Lyn insults, he is trying to make you angry so you make a mistake and leave yourself vulnerable. Control my son, learn to rule yourself and your emotions else they control you.
>>24480929He's not an idiot, he's fully capable of participating in the war council without coming up with a butt-retarded idea. His approach was smarter than Ser Lyn's initial idea of all-out-attack.He's not the brightest tool in the shed, but you're talking him down too much.
>>24480967I bet OP is not gonna tell us because he doesn't want this to become a crunch-fest but yeah, that would be a great way>>24480976He sounded pretty stupid when I joined the quest. And what did he apported in the council? I don't really remember and I'm lazy to go to the archives.
>>24480976Yeah and we are clearly at fault for most of it due our neglect.
>>24480976normally it wouldn't be an issue but he is supposed to be a lord. He will become responsible or all those within out lands and the future of our house. That's a great deal to lay at the feet of someone "dull".
>>24480998Nigga it was THIS THREAD.It's here:>>24480017and>>24475691
>>24480974Helping Lord Manderly out isn't such a bad idea, truth be told. I think we should consolidate our strength here for now, but the lad has a decent notion.
>>24481019Which is why he'd give those duties to someone who isn't dull. AKA, the steward.
>>24480967From his actions and comments thus far, I think it's pretty likely that he has a Cunning of 1.
>>24481027I thought you meant monday's thread. Wow agreeing is a great idea, what the fuck?
>>24480847>>24480801>>24480861>>24480880"Yeah, well. I wish I was a better son. Day after day. One thing I've learned from that is that you never get what you wish for, father. You never looked in my direction once. Not when I stuffed my face like a bloody pig, not when I beat the other boys half to death. Never. Not until these past few months. Like you never realised I was your son."With a brief sniff, the lad bottles up his attitude and rides on, matching your pace with a stony determination whenever you try to take the lead.It's a long and awkward journey together but eventually both arrive back at the castle, where you eat and have a pleasant meal together. Thankfully, your son has enough sense to play off the lesson as a fun and enjoyable experience with no mention of the conversation. At least there's one ounce of sense in that thick skull of his. Your daughter is as pleasant and sweet as always, always eager to please. You quietly thank the Seven that your wife has had the time to teach and educate the girl.Anything you wish to discuss during the dinner, beyond the typical "how was your day?"
>>24481039but he is rather strong willed and would probably not heed much advice. The only reason he takes ours is because we can slap his shit.
>>24481040>>24480967He's Cunning 2. You were also Cunning 2, until very recently.Keep in mind that Hodor is Cunning 1. That's how bad Cunning 1 is.
>>24481031It doesn't even have to be Lord Manderly it could be a lord of the vale also fighting the hill tribes. It could earn us a favor and coin. We most comment the lad for the idea and pursuit later.
>>24481063So we beat it into him to take his brother's advice, it's not complicated.
>>24481084And we die, and he doesn't give a fuck. Not complicated.
>>24481055Usual pleasantries and whatnot.
>>24481055Wow, we are a terrible father.
>>24481055Ask our wife whether she thinks Katrin would be interested in learning a bit about helping run the Household. If the girl is good with numbers we could have a potential steward substitute here.
>>24481055Just try to be warm and affective, take real interest and participate alongside the chatter.
>>24481096I think it was said that we pretty much ignored his existence until he became lord.seconding this>>24481101
>>24481096No shit, we were just debating whether or not to kill him a bit before. Poor kid.
>>24481101Not a bad idea.
>>24481101I like this.
>>24481101Sounds good to me.
>>24481120... No comments.
>>24481101After the meal, you take your wife aside to discuss the idea with her. There's a brief bit of surprise and hesitation from your wife, who seems startled by the idea - and not in a pleasant way. "Well, she knows how to read and write and I am teaching her the history and heraldry of Westeros... But Artys, why are you bringing this up now? Whenever we've spoken of your daughter, it has always been agreed that she should be groomed for marriage, not leadership. Your father, your uncle, even your brother, they all agreed with this. She isn't suited to be a steward, she's been raised for the court."
>>24481217"Agreed by who, by you? Because that's the one I'm asking right now. And I don't think you're either my father, my uncle or my brother. I want your opinion dear, I already know what has been told to me." This is a golden star.
>>24481217"And I agree that she will likely end up in the Court of another House; however, there is no harm in instructing her in some of the principles of leadership and stewardship."
>>24481217"I'm just... worried. I feel Brock can be groomed into a great general, with enough time, but he'll never be able to take care of the financial aspects of ruling..."
>>24481217tell her we were just musing the possibility given Brock's stewardship abilities or lack thereof.Then try to sex her.
>>24481217Very well, doesn't look too promising there. Now that we're alone with the wife, we might confess that we haven't been a very good father or husband for a while.Maybe blame it on being hung up on our half-brother's betrayal?
>>24481270We're getting laid after the skirmish with the savages, I'm telling you. We're gonna give her a groin-heater kiss of good bye before we go into that fight, and when we come back passionate sex is happening.
This seems the best answer >>24481266, we can't underestimate the value of a well-placed marriage. Even better if she takes an active part in the running of that household.
>>24481289yes yes yes yes yes
>>24481289Feast first I think, then sexing. But there's no harm in warming up the enginge now.
>>24481283Ooh, confessing concerns, now that's a real winner right there. Well thought my friend, I may not agree on your views of Brock, but your whitefaggotry certainly helps with the ladies.
>>24481299Bitches love battling.
>>24481308>whitefaggotryShit, the jig is up.
>>24481325Don't try to deny it, you were whitefagging all over the place with the Brock murder.
>>24481344You mean whiteknighting?Being against killing our firstborn son when he hasn't done anything wrong, and is only in his current state because of our negligence, is hardly white knight material.
>>24481402Nah, whiteknighting is defending maidens in despair. Bein a defender of the good I use the whitefagging
>>24481262>>24481266>>24481268"I will admit, I am hardly a steward myself... I just passed on what knowledge I was taught to her. How to be a good wife, whatever that is supposed to mean in this part of the world... Perhaps you should teach her, Artys? Maybe it's time that you met your daughter. She's a sweet girl, so don't you dare try to make a warrior out of her.">>24481283"Artys..."A moment of hesitation and she takes in a breath, speaking carefully and precisely, every word viciously honest."You never were a husband to me, nor were you ever a father to your children. You were never even a man you were always just... a shadow. Barely there at all, just sitting in your dark little room with Alric, counting coins and sending ravens while Ulrif and your father fought so many foes and did so much for the house... I can't count how many times I wish that I was married to him instead."But then you turned your back on him, then you changed. When he tried to ambush Lord Arryn, you didn't obediently follow, you did your duty, you did was right, you did something with yourself for the first time in your life. In the past few months you've changed so much and now... Now I don't think I could wish for a better husband, a smarter or cleverer man."The small smile on her lips gradually began to fade."I only hope it's not too late for our children to see that greatness in you as well, Artys."
>>24481402It doesn't matter whose fault his current state is. Accepting the blame will not fix him. For the good of the house it would be better if he were replaced by a better son.
>>24481443"thanks babe, my family gives me the strength to become a better man"I'm all for spending quality time with our daughter
>>24481443giver her the tongue
>>24481443gentlemenwe're about to steal for third
>>24481443Gently caress her cheek while giving a faint smile too. This is asking for LOVE
/tg/ - hopeless romantics
>>24481443I have to try to make armaments for my past failings as a lord, as a father and as a husband.
>>24481443Shit yes, Harrock is getting is rock on."I thank the Seven for your honest words. I swear, I will make it up to you. And to them."
>>24481512Oh hush. Let's timeskip, IT'S SLAYING TIME.
>>24481522>armaments>The Breastplate of Fatherly Duties>The Shield of Awesome Birthday Presents >The Sword of Conjugal Rights
>>24481536And don't forget the farewell kiss that's fucking important.
>>24481536I agree, let's do this.
>>24481522>>24481497>>24481492>>24481485>>24481475>>24481455Unable to hide a small smile of your own, you spare a brief moment to share your feelings with the woman you married. For so much of your life you were nothing but a hollow shell of a man, a lackey and a fool. Although you have passed your prime, you've still got some life left in you and you're going to make the best of your future. Giving your wife a short but delicate kiss, you allow it to extend into something longer, enjoying this brief intimate moment with her even as she guides the two of you towards the bed...And that'll be all for the night, folks. Thanks to everyone who took part and I hope you'll all be able to attend on Monday, at 9PM GMT! House Harrock will be taking the war to the Milk Snakes.Could someone archive this?
>>24481568Of course. "a groin-heater kiss of good bye", I believe?
>>24481607Exactly. We're making babies, we're gonna take 2 victories after that day.
>>24481606And for the archival tags, check out:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Harrock
>>24481606Thanks man, hopefully see you then.
>>24481606>enjoying this brief intimate moment with her even as she guides the two of you towards the bedBoom goes the dynamite. See you man, also anyone archiving this already? I don't have the least idea of how to do that shizzle whizzle.
>>24481658If no one else does, I'll go ahead with it.
Thanks Plasma, great thread as usual
Thanks, Plasma. See ya Monday!
>>24481658Done, upvote here.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Harrock