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You sit up from the futon with a slight gasp, Caster barely stirring next to you. It’s about mid afternoon, and it looks like a gloomy and raining day outside. Trying to shake off the wierdness of the dream, you...

[]Set up a new base of operations
-[]Abandoned warehouse
-[]Abandoned home
-[]With Rook and Monster
[]Defend this area
-[]subtly
-[]Openly
[]Write in

Previous Thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24345086/
Story Only Posts: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K1jV0RUin92jJOydgTIV1el32DJD-qHl2a5ICRWFzZk/edit
Status Sheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16AOv8GSjf4opT8VW__owsvon55nds23BfWDoFXdKPH4/edit

>>24479914
[]Set up a new base of operations
-[X]Abandoned warehouse
This gives lots of opportunity for a trap-filled atelier that backfires substantially less than the Grail War's unluckiest. Especially with our knowledge of mundane materials. We can have Golems hidden everywhere.

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We should focus on getting a new hideout, a warehouse seems like a good place, since if we can get materials shipped there it won't look suspicious at all.
At the same time however, we should have John start setting up a neutral ground type area that we can meet in without having to worry about interlopers.
maybe have Tomoko follow us as we work to help her learn a bit of warding so she can have a bit of security as well.

>>24479914
>[]Set up a new base of operations
>-[]With Rook and Monster

Also looks like we won't have to worry -as much- about Homu if we do summon her.

Oh, and I know you made a google doc of the story only posts, but I also made an Ebook version to go along with it. The link to download the updated version can be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb.

>>24480229
Two Reasons for crashing with Rook:
1) He's on a leyline. Which we desperately need if we ever want to go full Army of the King this war.
2) Monster has already trapped the place to stop others from intruding. If they let us in and we turtle on top of those traps, it would be even harder for anyone to break in, especially if we can get Tomoko and Assassin to follow us in and ambush anyone who does make it through the bounded fields and Monster's traps.

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>>24480229
You, sir, are awesome. Thanks for compile the stuff, I sometimes forget till the last minute.

>>24480471
No problem, glad to be of service! Once my migraine subsides I'm going to add the status sheet to it as well.

Man, tg seems kind of slow tonight...

>>24481035
You could write up the next part, but last thread people wanted to go and make a base and turtle at Rook's place with Tomoko, which isn't what the vote is currently.

>>24480035
>>24480228
You guys still on? Want to debate on what location is best? Anything to keep the thread going.

>>24481139
Alright, I guess.
Concerning the warehouse, I think it would be the optimal area to disguise ourselves. It's already been mentioned that it would be a good hiding spot for shipped goods and such. Of course, if that chick with connections knows how to get anything, it's intel, so we gotta be careful what we have delivered.

>>24481204
I made my points for Rook's place >>24480359, mostly because I really want to grab the leyline and build up a meguca army rather than rely on the two QB can sustain without it.

As for the warehouse, that would be a good place to hide. However hiding and doing things subtly didn't work for us before, hence the need to search for a new base. I think we need to turtle down and build up defenses this time around rather than hope the other Masters can't find us.

>>24481139
Last time, it looked to be all over the board as to the specifics. But, I'm working on the next part now.

>>24481297
I see your point, and additionally, Rook has no real wish to speak of (so far), and thus, no real reason to fight, but we need to remember that Monster is the one in control. And she seemed pretty restless when we last saw her. If she doesn't get that power we said we'd give her, we would have three servants officially after our hides. And we are down to two generators and the ability to create an unpredictable Magical Girl Monster.

We don't even know what she'll do when she get's her power.

You shake Caster slightly to wake him up. He stretches out and looks up at you curiously. "We need to set up a new base of operations. Maybe in one of the warehouses at the docks." You say.

~An excellent Idea, Master. I shall have Archer tell Assassin and Tomoko where we are when they awaken. It's probably best if Saber accompanies us.~ He remarks.

"Thank you." You say, shaking Saber slightly from her position sleeping nearby. She blinks her eyes wearily before realizing where she is. You explain the situation to her softly, and the three of you quietly leave Tomoko's dorm, your familiar dashing out through the shadows with you.

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You creep quietly through the abandoned warehouses on the docks, trying to find one to suit your needs. Your familiar runs into and out of various places, trying to find one that's at least half empty. At one point, you passed by where you first met Monster and John in person, and notice the signs of several old traps you hadn't seen before. Nooses, snares, an I-beam rigged to fall. Almost all of it is held together with a thing, fine string. Its also of a unique magical nature, leading you to believe it's Monster's. Or worse, some other Servant's. You quickly abandon that site and move on, and eventually you find one right by the abandoned docks. Saber sets your mana generators down as you enter and your Familiar goes hunting around amongst the old materials for any surprises.

[]Subtle Defenses again
[]Aggressive Defenses
[]Turtled Defenses
[]Write in

>>24481582
Aggressive defenses.

>>24481582
[X]Turtled Defenses
We were made to Fortress.

>>24481476
I'll admit, getting Monster to work with us is the biggest problem with heading over to bunker down at Rook's. If Caster doesn't grant her wish, her remaining options are to get the Grail or use our mana generators, and our mana generators won't be enough unless we fuse magic and technology with our wish. A wish that requires killing Monster, and she know it.

Unless Caster grants her wish, we won't be able to cement an alliance with Monster. We already said no to that before, and if we ever want to reconsider it, we'd have to know QB's wish granting process inside and out, or maybe have QB tamper with the process and put something in Monster's Soulgem that lets him destroy it at-will.

The more I look at my own plan and Monster's place in it, the more problems I seeing with it...

>>24481582
Subtle defenses didn't work before. I want to save turtled defense for the faint hope monster works with us. So I guess I'll go with >[X]Aggressive Defenses

"Alright, this time let's make your defenses a little more aggressive. Caster, last time you said you had hit your limit on what you could do subtly. Do you think you can whip something up for us to use now that we don't need to be so subtle?" You ask. Your servant nods, his frozen expression never changing.

~Yes, Master. If you can set one of your mana generators in the center, I can make a very fine defense grid that should be able to detect and assault intruders as necessary.~ Caster answers.

"Excellent. Saber, do you mind?" You say, turning to the blue haired Servant. She nods and picks up one of the generators, hauling it over to the middle of the warehouse. Your familiar returns and kneels slightly in front of you, waiting for you to pick over its limited memory. Which reminds you, you might want to look into what happened the other night at your apartment. You quickly pull on the connection to the small metal construct and immediately get a flood of information. Silence, waiting. The sudden sound of torn metal and finding a huge slab of metal in the shape of a sword sitting in the center of what used to be your car. A quick glance around and the sight of the red clad archer from the night before, drawing and nocking a strange looking arrow before suddenly things go white and half the apartment is gone, the familiar blown away from the window it had been watching through. Afterwards, everything is jumbled as the Familiar grabs your generators, disconnecting them from the now useless fields and hauling them somewhere safe. There's a jumble of time before you show up where it cowers while avoiding a few more explosions. You disconnect with a slight gasp, letting the familiar link trickle the rest of the information in. You've got plenty of raw metal here now for anything you might try and make, though it could take some time. Caster seems to be done with the circle as well, as he and Saber approach you again, and night is beginning to fall.

[]???

>>24482117
Try to enhance our familiar's model for stealth, possibly the ability to climb walls and other obligatory ninja traits.

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>>24482117
God damn it Archerko.

[X]Make more mana generators for Caster to use.

I'd like to have more than two megucas accessible at a time in case of emergencies, or at least something to keep Caster's mana up to buff our megucas.

Besides, what kind of Caster goes out every night in person to confront enemies? Besides KUUURUU ones anyway.

>>24482238

It needs a weapon as well, no reason to not make ourselves a mechanical assassin if we have the ability. In the absence of firearms, I suggest blades and some sort of magically enhanced explosive on a death trigger.

>>24482117
Stealth model is go.

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Oh hey, I'm here in time for this. Nice.

>>24482117
Time for metalworking? Excellent. Something that /tg/ has found useful in these Grail War quests is flashbang devices. We ought to make some. Hm... did David have any tricks we could start trying to pull here?

I'm trying to think of other things that we could use to improve our position in the Grail War, and all I can think of is "batteries" and "better engines".

"I think...tonight should be a stay at home night." You decide, "And maybe work on the golem some."

~Very well. Shall I have Archer scout town while Assassin stays home to guard Tomoko?~ Caster asks as you set down near the mana generator with your familiar slumped on the ground in front of you. You hum slightly to yourself as you pry some of the metal out and off of your familiar.

[]"Yeah. Tell her to retreat if she gets caught, though."
[]"Yes, but keep an eye on her. Enhance her, if you must, as we do not wish to lose her."
[]"No, they should lay low tonight"
[]"No, see about having Assassin scout. Even with her injuries, she should be able to avoid detection."

And give me a luck roll with your vote.

>>24482705


When we have free time, we need to replace the firearms we lost.

>>24482733

[]"Yes, but keep an eye on her. Enhance her, if you must, as we do not wish to lose her."

Rolled 98

>>24482733
>[]"Yes, but keep an eye on her. Enhance her, if you must, as we do not wish to lose her."
And Rollingu

>>24482733
[x]Yes, enhance her and tell her to retreat if she gets caught. we don't want to lose this one

>>24482733
[X]"Yes, but keep an eye on her. Enhance her, if you must, as we do not wish to lose her."
We simply cannot risk being found again.

Sorry gents, shit happens. Swear I have D rank luck. Anyway...

Have Archer scout, and make sure she don't die if it can be avoided. Archerko is a bitch, be sure to tell rook about her, he might know something and it'd be a good idea to show them that we're still nice. In fact, once assassin's all better I suggest we triple team that bitch. Get her dead before she can get UBW off. Because if she DOES get it off...

I swear, they said A++ but it should really be EX.

Rolled 35

>>24482733
>>24482824
for luck!

Rolled 44

>>24482705
Also, now that you mention that. We ARE a tech magus, we should totally try and make her Projector Mystic Code if we can. Loved her speech about true terror. The monster cannot speak, it cannot be identified, and all that is pointless if the monster can be killed! The projector demon is all 3, so it is terror, in our back pocket. Very nice, very useful.

>>24482757
Dice don't fail me now. Sorry OP, didn't read that part.

>>24482890
And with that faliure I fucked us all. Sorry Mami, you're gonna die tonight.

We really should check the familiar over to see if it isn't being tracked by someone.

>>24482909

She should be used to that, honestly.

>>24482757

Rolled 96

>>24482757

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>>24482909
Nope! >>24482944 and I are going to save the day, hopefully avoiding pic related from happening.

Rolled

>>24482733
Let's get that 5th and final roll out of the way already

Rolled 95

>>24483013
I cannot into /tg/ dice.

"Yes. Have her go out, and reinforce if you need to. We don't want to lose another of our Servants." You tell him. He nods and his eyes seem to glaze over slightly for a moment.

~There. If you ever wish to see how things are going for her, you can reach her through me in a similar manner to how you would for viewing things through my eyes.~ He informs you as you replace some of the weaker metals with the steel that you now have at hand.

"Ah, thank you." You say offhandedly.

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It's several hours later when Caster stiffens and bristles as your putting your familiar back together. ~Archer has encountered the enemy!~ He hisses. You quickly snap a hold of your connection to him and feel down it to Archer in time to see her staring at the red Archer, uncomfortably close for a pair of long range specialists. Both of them look to have been caught off guard by this. Red Archer immediately summons her bow, firing a trio of arrows that are blocked by a sudden ribbon shield springing into existance as your own Archer returns fire with a trio of muskets that the enemy dodges.

[]Enhance her now, before it becomes too late
[]Wait till the last minute. Enhance her only if you must

Well, you managed not to get caught off guard. Congrats. Now, its fightin times.

>>24483104
[X]Wait till the last minute. Enhance her only if you must

It's an ace in the hole. Tipping our hand will only end badly.

>>24483120
Seconded.

>>24483019
>>24482944
You guys, Thank you for having at least C rank luck.

Also, I must mention. Mind can multitask! "Mind" is almost synonymous with "Logic". While we're working on our golem, we grill QB on what he saw last night. His mental pollution can get past "Information Erasure". Grill him, we'll get the last pieces of the puzzle to obtain Assassin's true identity. "Jack" is indeed a powerful servant at night, especially if we triple team Archerko like I suggested earlier. She'll be so fucked. And the master of "Saber" is almost certainly the Araya clone I feared. So He/she'll take care of them once their servant is gone. Two birds, one stone.

Remember, an "origin" is something you cannot deny. It IS you, the very basis of all you are. You will do anything you can to relate to it. You can't not. Even if it is "unawakened", it is the core of your being. You WILL act in accordance with it somehow. Period.

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>>24483104
enhance now. Mami must live!

>>24483104
Now, enhance her now before this bitch can pull off her UBW incantation! Now, do it now before she dies in a hail of "fake" NP's!

We gotta keep the only meguca that can possibly block such a barrage. Think people, we're a cornered animal at this point. A cornered animal is the most dangerous animal you can face, don't let "reason" deter you from this logic. It's an all or nothing case now, do it!

>>24483104
>[]Wait till the last minute. Enhance her only if you must

Our Archer has pretty good stats than Archerko. Hell, most of them are even better than Archerko's stats! If it looks like Archerko is inured and might try getting away, immediately enhance our Archer to finish Archerko off.

>>24483104
[]Wait till the last minute. Enhance her only if you must

>>24483191
You're not thinking anon. All she needs is enough time to get that 10 point aria off. If she does, she pretty much owns everyone in a hail of NP's. Do NOT giver her that time!

Like I said, we're cornered. We really ought to go all out. That instinct is there in creatures for a reason, it WORKS! Darwin wasn't all wrong, there is such a thing as "Natural Selection". The overly optimistic will die off, leaving the more rational, logical breeds to pass on their knowledge. We are mind, we are by extension logic. We don't enhance her now, she most likely dies. We don't want that. Mami is perhaps the only one that can beat her before she gets the aria off because she can UMW instantly. He who hesitates is lost, remember that.

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>>24483165

>>24483191
Forgot to add, that's exactly what she wants man, time. If your plan goes through, we reinforce her once it once she hits "Steel is my body, and fire is my blood".

Assassin told us about this, we do NOT want to see her finish this incantation. Like I said, she does, Mami dies. We are mind, we listen to the words of our allies. The "last moment" is THAT part of the aria. Once we hit unknown territory we fucking KNOW we're cornered. She MUST die before that aria finishes. Period.

>>24483245
You're right, I'm not. I'm multitasking and skimming through the posts, and let the stats think for me so I could get back to adding said stats to the Ebook.

That said, I still say we shouldn't enhance Mami immediately. If Mami can get Archerko in a position that she must retreat, and then give Mami a boost, we can surprise Archerko and possibly finish her off.

That said, I know that's a pretty big if. If Archerko is winning, we can again surprise her by giving Mami a sudden boost mid-fight. I know that won't be enough to kill Archerko, but it would get her off Mami and give her time to escape.

Either way, giving Mami an immediate boost at the start of the fight would make Archerko more likely to use UBW on Mami.
>>24483374
And that would be the perfect time mid-fight to give her the boost.

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Well, it looks like a tie right now. We need a tiebreaker.

Rolled 90

>>24483532
We'll let the dice decide.
1-50 Enhance now
51-100 Enhance when only necessary
(If someone else votes, and the dice end up causing another tie, just ignore the dice)

Rolled 62

>>24483470
But will it be in time? Again, if she gets it off we're fucked. We beat her to the punch we just might win. If we enhance her now she can go UMW then Trio Finale her ass before she realizes anything is wrong. Mami has an NP, I suggest we use it in conjunction with UMW. Archerko will be to busy using Faker Gater of Babylon to block it, not realizing we have one huge ass blast heading her way. She misses it amongst the hail of bullets, taking it head on. We win if that is the case.

>>24483587
dammit dice, why are you so easy to manipulate once you know of the curse? Why do you always bring ruin to us players?

>>24483566
fuck your dice it's my enhancement and I need it now.

>>24483738
I agree. Though sadly because I don't cheat ever as that would be the height of pathetic to do so in a Traditional Game, I have already voted. So pay me no mind OP.

>>24483587
Will it be on time? I don't know. Could unleashing a constant barrage on Archerko right from the get-go work better then surprising her with it latter on? Maybe. Could we nail Archerko with Tiro Finale? Doubt it. Archerko might just block Tiro Finale with Rho Aias or that OP as fuck Sealed Bow that she has in Sword Dancers. She fucking blocks Excalibur with it.

If we can get her by surprise mid battle and wound her, that might have a better chance then immediately showing that we're stronger than her and forcing her to use all of her trump cards right from the get-go.

>>24483738
That's why I said ignore the dice if someone else votes. Looks like we're enhancing right away.

>>24483831
But will she be fast enough? Her master is going through the same thought process. She doesn't want to reveal trump cards either.

The master might not even be in alignment with her servant's alignment. A true magus is a lot of things, Neutral Good isn't one of them. She's "Neutral Good", if she got stuck with anyone "Neutral" or below she might not be too inclined to follow their suggestions. If she landed an "evil" master (and she might have given her low luck), she'd play all cards as close to her chest as possible. Archer was many things, dumb was not one of them. An NG servant does NOT want an "evil" master getting their wish. So they'll be slightly suicidal, to ensure that the evil bastard doesn't burn a Command Seal to save them somehow. No NG wants any "evil" alignment victorious in the War. It's like the Jesus alignment, you'll die before you let an evil fucker get his desire.

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"Caster, hold off on the enhancement. Wait until we hear the phrase Assassin mentioned. It might be an aria, it might be needed to activate her Noble Phantasm. I don't know, and frankly I think it's best we don't find out." You order, watching as your Archer tries to close the gap with the enemy, her shots fencing the red Archer in bit by bit. At one point, your Servant manages to close the difference and clubs the enemy Archer upside the head with the butt end of a rifle. As the red Archer rolls to her feet, the two begin to circle each other on a small rooftop within ten feet of each other. You're mildly curious as to what your Archer is planning when suddenly the red Archer speaks.

"I am the bone of my sword." She mumbles, summoning an exquisite long blade into her hands and swinging it in one smooth motion. Your Archer tries to block with another wall of ribbons, but the sword pries into the gaps and manages to cut your Servant's arm. "Steel is my body and Fire is my Blood." She continues.

"Now, enhance Archer now!" You yell, panic beginning to set in.

~Already doing so, Master!~ Caster answers. Your Servant manages to duck under the following up swing and suddenly there's the sound of a crack and the gem in your Archer's hair shatters, leaving behind a gunmetal black sphere with two points. The connection twists, and your connection snaps before reconnecting. But the connection is tenuous at best, and a name resounds in your skull.

CANDELORO
[1/2]

Your Servant's form has twisted and expanded. She launches herself forward with an explosion of speed and a red and blue shadow launch themselves from behind her, cutting off the enemy Archer's retreat as your new Monster lets out a morbid cackle, ribbons spreading out and grasping for Archer. Archer hacks away at the ribbons desperately and turns and there's a flash as a copy of the sword she's wielding lances out and strikes the red shadow allowing Archer to run through the sudden gap in the encircling barrier.

[]Push Monster after her
[]Let her retreat for now
[]Write in

>>24483961
WHAT.
>>24483906
I think we can come to an agreement that this is NOT what either of us wanted.

>>24483971
What. retreat now.
We need to access what the fuck is going on. and have Caster explain the fuck is up with this

>>24483971
>CANDELORO
FUCK I KNEW IT

>>24483971
Ah, so "enhancement" equals Witching out. Can he bring her back from that? If so, retreat. If not, press on. She is already lost if we can't bring her back, might as well leverage her for all we have. I need more info before I place a recommendation.

We already know about witches from our dream. We can ask him IC first before we make a choice. Thus, we must ask. Can we save Mami from this state?

>>24483971
At least Candeloro is just a clingier version of Mami.
She's friendly, so we just need to know if she still follows orders. And keep her out of our reach.

>>24483981
You are right, sadly. I thought enhancement meant what enhancement meant in the nasuverse. I didn't want Mami to go full Witch mode on us. I liked her after all.

>>24483971
>[]Push Monster after her
Goddammit. We are NOT keeping a witch. We either kill Archer or Archer kills Candeloro.

If Candeloro wins, ask QB to dismiss it. We are NOT having a witch run rampart in the city unless everything has gone to shit for us, and this is not that time.

>>24483994
We saw Sayaka turn into a witch in our of our dreams, we can assume this is the same thing. but we will demand fucking answers for this.
Goddammit. Classic QB Blunders. Not asking what "enhancement entails"


KOTOMINE KIREI? You on? Slap some shit into me before I suggest we spent a command seal to bring Mami back and apologize to her.

>>24483971

[]Push Monster after her

I dont think we WANT her back after that, folks.

>>24484099

You are thinking clearly. And we need to reign in caster after this, this is too fucking far. The bastard went full lie of omission on us and I will not stand for it.

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>>24484099
Like I keep saying, we were fucked the instant we summoned QB. I seem to be attracted to quests that are complete and utter train wrecks begging to happen. This was one of them.

A good question for OP though. If a meguca is "Killed", can a command seal re-summon them?

>>24484122
DAMN right! Fucker didn't tell us what that entailed. We will find out about his nature NOW! Mind can feel damnit, we do, and we don't like being lied to. At. All. QB will know how pissed we are, and we will show him why he will NOT cross us in the future. You tell us everything satan. If you don't, then this war is over. "I order you, by the power of the command seal. Kill your own soul, your true self!"

>>24484099
guys, we don't know if this is full on witch mode though, as a full witch would kind of imply that it couldn't be controlled.we bring it back if we can control it and see if we can return her to normal. if not then full speed ahead with the slaughter and wring the little bastards neck after.

>>24484149

Oh, the jig is up, I assure you, on the other hand, we know know what his contracts can become if we wish them, a useful tool for the proper time.

>>24484122
Was I still thinking clearly towards the end? Is it worth using a command seal to bring Mami back and apologize to her? I'm all for reigning Caster in, possibly using a command spell to force him to tell us anything and everything that related to magical girls, witches, and the entire process of turning into a magical girl and then to a witch. I just don't know if spending two command seals is worth it.

>>24484163
That is true, but still, I need more info out of his sorry ass before I make a vote to push or retreat. If she can be brought back we retreat. If not, we push on.

Lio couldn't be saved after he agreed to Araya's spell. Koutoko refused to realize that because of his origin. We are not Mikiya, we realize the truth and will use it to our advantage. Hope she wins, then choke the SHIT out of QB as we demand answers!

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>>24484149
We can use a Command Seal to tell him to speak the truth, whole truth nothing BUT the truth, every conversation is us SUING THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SPACE CAT MOTHERFUCKER AND HIS RACE.
also we should at least try to see of Candeloro listens to us. She may be deranged and clingy, but she IS one of the friendlier witches.

>>24484215
The more general a command, the weaker it becomes. You can use a command seal to make a servant "follow your orders", but that'll only downrank his stats by 1 if he does not. General orders are weak, specific orders are so fucking strong they WILL do them. Remember that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYuz_7jWYXI

Some fitting music.

Can we use our command seals to kill QB and form contracts with Sayaka and Mami directly? Yes, I know, this is a horrible, horrible idea if we actually want to win the war. I know I'm not thinking clearly now. I just want to know if it's possible.

>>24484284
No, because Caster is serving as the direct bridge to Sayaka and Mami/Candeloro. Without him as the catalyst, the connection grows unstable.

>>24484211
>If she can be brought back we retreat. If not, we push on.
Pretty sure we should have her keep fighting regardless as long as we seem to have the upper hand. (And as long as our "tenuous" connection holds. It's important to know that we still have control even in her "enhanced" form. If there's ever going to be a risk that she breaks free and just starts doing whatever she feels like, THAT'S bad news. Until then I think we're alright.)

If the condition is reversible there's no reason not to postpone doing it until after she beats up on Archerko some more.

No reason to let being mad at QB make us ruin the one fight with Archerko in which we're going to have element of surprise regarding a witch transformation. Throwing away a (seemingly) winning position against an enemy just out of irritation with the way in which we came into it seems terribly wasteful.

You let your eagerness to catch Archer spill across the connection and you hear Candeloro laugh, and Archer cries out in surprise as the Red Shade reforms and the whole barrier moves to reform and recapture Archer, slowly working into an incredibly large dome surrounding them. Archer seems to mutter something under her breath before turning to face Candeloro.

"I have known death, and I have met life.
Through my pain, I have created many weapons.
And so, these hands will never claim any.
So, as I pray...Unlimited Blade Works!" Archer cries, and suddenly the tenuous connection is severed and coming in fits. Candeloro's mad giggle fills your head, even as you get flashes of her and her shades being ripped to shreds by countless blades and occasionally you can see Candeloro crushing Archer in a bear hug. Several tense minutes laters there's a crack in your head as the connection is forcibly reestablished and you see Candeloro pressing Archer into the ground, rubbing their cheeks together. Archer is clearly exhausted, while Candeloro seems to be in perfect shape. "Mine...forever~<3" Candeloro squeals as blue and gold ribbons wrap around the pair. Several tense moments later, the ribbons receive, leaving Candeloro alone on the rooftop. You can barely feel a connection to her, almost like what you were told expending all your command seals would feel like, if you were still in a contract with your Servant. The only thing keeping the connection there is the fact that the Servant has not severed it.

[]Bring her back, Interrogate Caster
[]Leave her there, Interrogate Caster
[]Write in

And write in what you want to ask Caster.

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>>24484268
[X]Leave her there, Interrogate Caster
"Servant Caster, I command you never to omit any detail when explaining anything you know. Never shall this happen again. Tell me Everything."

it's a pawn, let it distract the bishop, I doubt we will be winning, but we can definitely leave archer in a less than favorable position when this is done. Also, archer's retreat path could yield information about her hang out.

>>24484336
leave her there for now. keep tabs on her. Interrogate Caster until he understands that he has done wrong

>>24484370
Wait. Fuck. He's probably gonna start from the "Beginning" if You say that.
"Tell me EVERYTHING you know about your kind and your abilities as a Servant, as well as what your Girls can do and... what they can become...What wish does the Wishmaker have for the Holy Grail?"

>>24484284
Problem for you is we do, and, as our origin is "mind" and thus "logic" we won't do that, we can't. That would imply our origin is not mind. But it IS!

We don't follow our feelings completely, we can't. We can't take *truly* illogical paths, no matter how much we would like to. Mind understands logic and wishes to follow it. If "Mind" was totally illogical, it'd be "chaos", did we summon that dead apostle? No? Then that isn't the case. Kind of wish we did, he's all kinds of broken.

>>24484302
Thanks for clearing that up OP.

>>24484336
So Candelero won? Good job. Now we bring her back and grill Caster with all of our hatred! Tell him:

"Caster. I WILL expend a command seal if I so much as suspect in the slightest you are lying to me, and I have quite an imagination. You don't seem to, so trust me I will make you suffer beyond your non-existent dreams if I so much as suspect you are disobeying me.

You will tell me what just happened, you will tell me if we can return Archer to her original form, and you will tell me everything here and now. What are you, what is your goal, why are you here. Tell me, or suffer a fate such that not even the most sadistic authors of any world could ever dream of!!!!"

>>24484370
Let's not use a command seal yet. Let's see what we can get without using one first. When, and only WHEN he dodges the question or answers it in an unsatisfactory manor will we use a command seal.

>>24484336
"Caster. Dismiss Arc...Monster. Now. We don't need anyone else to find her and decide to attack us.
What did you just do to Archer to turn her into... That?
Why did you not explain to me what 'enhancing' her would do?
Explain to me, from start to finish, the process of how you pick someone to be a magical girl, What a magical girl does, how they turn into those... things, how they can prevent themselves from turning into witches, how witches operate and what they will do, and what happens to witches when they die."

This satisfactory, or should more be added?

>>24484470
It's just a simple command, not a Seal command.

>>24484336
have her move from there, but maybe not right back where we are. figure out what just happened, I can only assume archers master used the teleport function to save her.

>>24484336
> Several tense moments later, the ribbons recede (presumably?), leaving Candeloro alone on the rooftop.
We need to know whether Archer was neutralized, or recalled with a Command Seal. If QB can tell from here, so much the better.

>>24484370
Before we start up the whole Spanish Inquisition on him, we need two bits of information to figure out what we want to do about Candeloro.

"Is our Archer's condition reversible?"
If no; "Is our Archer's condition sustainable?" (i.e. Is maintaining this state an undue burden on Caster's resources and/or is our/Caster's connection with her stable.)
If no and no, and Candeloro's didn't somehow absorb enemy Archer in such a way that dismissing her would free our enemy and/or if she has information about the combat to relay to us, it's probably just best to dismiss her immediately.

If it's reversible and doesn't require a disproportionate amount of resources to do so, recall her and reverse the transformation.

If it's irreversible and sustainable, recall her and debrief regarding the combat with Archerko.

After THAT'S handled, then we can afford to take the time to read QB the riot act about not explaining everything in perfect detail forever.

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>All this mad about coobie
>Year of our Lord Madokami 2011+2

How do you not see this coming? Is it willful ignorance or just the regular kind? You knew what you were getting into from day 1; one little eldritch horror is nothing for a Grail War.

>>24484479
Ah, okay. Just wanted to be sure.

>>24484486 followed by >>24484470 and >>24484414 is what I want.

>>24484493
We were stupid. So stupid.

>>24484479
Indeed, we threaten to use one on him. That's kind of the point of them. They're like nukes, their true power lies in the "threat" of their use. That is why masters can keep control of their servants. Yeah, you could skewer me in an instant. but I can and will use my seal to make you do as I wish the instant I think you won't. And guess what, that experience, it isn't in any way pleasant. So please, do as I tell you, or I will fucking MAKE you! Understand?

>>24484336

Leave the tool, it has become something that we cannot control.

>>24484575
NO KIREI
THERE IS ALWAYS ONE OPTION
WE CAN SEDUCE HER.
I mean, after all she is a Witch of loneliness.

>>24484605

I cannot rejoice to that. I cannot rejoice from the grave.

I was in favor of Tomoko because we can use her dependency and mental instability, seduction only works in certain scenarios, this one certainly not being one of them.

If we could fuck our way out of every problem, well, a cat is fine too.

>>24484605
Except Candoro will try to overcome her loneliness the same way as Passionlips. Except after crushing us into an itty-bitty cube we won't be stuffed between her breasts.

>>24484638
We'll be a lump of sugar in her tea?

>>24484655

As in dissolved into nothingness, yes.

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>>24484660
Whatever, it was just a suggestion.

>>24484433
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KvVli3poq8

Forgot the theme I want playing during the scene I envision in that last part. Assassin is watching, she always is. This is the time to show who and what we are. Are we a good man at base like Tohsaka was, or are we a true magus, who only cares about what benefits him at the expense of all others? I think it ought be the former. We are good at base, we didn't want this, MIND didn't want this. Mind is all things that are thought. We can feel, and we do. This wasn't what we wanted! We wanted to win, not win at any cost. This... this is unacceptable!

"Mind goes beyond logic Caster, a mind is all things a mind can be. It is my origin, I cannot deny it. So I cannot deny my rage, tell me everything or I will make you suffer beyond an torment you can imagine. TELL ME EVERYTHING! NOW! Or I swear to the God I don't believe in you will regret it!"

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"Caster. Can Monster be returned to what she once was?" You ask after a long moment of silence.

~Not in any way that I am capable or knowledgeable of.~ He answers. You frown slightly, reigning in the anger you feel at the results wrought from your blind trust of your Servant.

"Can we sustain her like this?"

~As it is, I expended a large chunk to change her into her current form. However, I have managed to recoup those losses through Candeloro's recent...feeding. As well, the connection is far more stable than I would have expected. She responds to my sending mana, and she returns excess from her feeding to me along the same channel, in excess of what I can normally skim off the top of the Contract she holds with me.~ Caster explains.

"Right. Then we ought to bring her back." You say.

~Ah, that will be unnecessary.~ Caster remarks as to feminine arms reach around you from behind and you hear Candeloro giggle as she drapes herself over you.

"My...Master..." She whispers into your ear. You swallow slightly nervously.

"And Caster...If I think you're lying to me, I want you to know that I'm not afraid to use a Command Seal." You warn him. He nods, cocking his head slightly to the side as he awaits your next statement. "How do you do this? How do you choose girls, what are they supposed to do, how do they become...like Candeloro?" You ask.

[1/2]

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~They are granted a wish in return for serving me to fight off the heat death of the universe. As I said before, I am merely a caretaker to ensure the Universe's continued survival. This is through any means necessary. For this, I use the emotional energy of these magically empowered girls. If they over use their magic, or should they fall into despair then I can gain an immense amount of energy. Sadly, this system is fragile at best and if I'm not careful could lead to the extinction of the very race I need. So I am looking for a better way. A more efficient way. The system put in place by the girl who once existed as Madoka is slow, but reliable. For the purposes of staving off the death of the universe, it is only sufficient for as long as the human race survives. It would be ideal for there to be a backup plan, or excess energy to be used as a stopgap until a new method could be found.~ Caster replies.

"So...your wish?"

~To successfully stave off the heat death of the universe indefinitely.~

[]???

Forgot the Vote

>>24484852
Ask about ALL of his abilities and ask Candeloro if she still obeys us.

>>24484860

> Your methods are evil, but your goal is just. Know that you cannot count on my aid any further is you hide things from me. You will upfront from now on, or I'll just will you out of existence with these seals and find myself a new servant. Hell, maybe I'll just back up Tomoko. From now on this is a true partnership, nothing less, Caster.

>>24484906
Check the status sheet. New stuff was added.

Souls of the Lost B [Anti Unit]
With this ability, Kyubei may force one of the spirits he has summoned to change into a Witch. After the battle, the Witch often fades, but the souls of those it killed become prana to feed Kyubei's own reserves, often off setting the cost of this Noble Phantasm.

Class: Archer/Monster
True Name: ???/CANDELORO
Master: Nicolas/Caster
Height: 5’8”/123lbs
STR B/A
END B/A
AGI A/B
MAG A/B
LUK D/D
NP C/C

Class Skills:
Independent Action C
Mad Enhancement A

Personal Skills:
???

Noble Phantasms:
???

>>24484906
Should note that it's not everything, so still ask this.

>>24484860
if he adds about a line and a half to the end of that i won't hate the bastard.
"To successfully stave off the heat death of the universe indefinitely- without necessitating the suffering or harm (physical or mental) to those who live within it."
Other than that, Ask for complete and total summary of all his abilities, whether relevant to the war effort or not. Ask his Name. ask ourselves how we keep getting surrounded by possibly psychotic females. Ask Candeloro how long she will be able to remain, assuming she is not devouring people, and how well controlled her witch instincts are.

>>24484860
ask monster for some tea.

Sadly I have to get to work earlier than usual so I'll see you guys next week. good night /blog

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>>24484969
Yes.... this as well...

>>24484852
You... Do you even feel? You plunge them into the depths of despair on purpose without telling them why. You betray the very intentions of their wish!

I see the logic in your acts but still, I cannot forgive you. My mind cannot forgive you. I can still use you though. So you get to live. Don't ever withhold information from me again. If you do, I will kill you without hesitation.

Like I told Monster, I will not be a party to an end that results in a hell for humanity. You can make that happen, indeed you will if that serves your ends. The instant I believe you will if you live on? I end you, forever. I can kill you so hard you die to death with these seals, understand? For your sake, I really hope you do.

>>24484950
This. We need everything right the fuck now. We might be a magus, but we ain't Satan incarnate. Also, again, Assassin is watching. Our actions will determine if she guts us here and now after witnessing this.

>>24484790
>~As it is, I expended a large chunk to change her into her current form. However, I have managed to recoup those losses through Candeloro's recent...feeding. As well, the connection is far more stable than I would have expected. She responds to my sending mana, and she returns excess from her feeding to me along the same channel, in excess of what I can normally skim off the top of the Contract she holds with me.~ Caster explains.
>I have managed to recoup those losses through Candeloro's recent...feeding.

Guys... Archerko never went to the grail. It's still empty. We need all 7 servants to reach the Root, and now we can only send six servants at most to the Grail. If we want to mergeMagic and Technology, we'll have to do it without the source of all knowledge.

>>24485030
Then we've successfully fucked up "Heaven's Feel" and have thus maintained the tradition of Caster fucking everything up.

Best get to building Prana Generators, lots of them. We can still brute force this shit. At least Archerko's good and dead. Caster beat a knight class, never thought that could happen without Batman level planning.

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>>24484998
He doesn't feel, actually.

>>24485071
We don't know that IC. This is the kind of trigger that would make him ask that question. So I'm asking it. His origin is "mind", that involves all things a mind can do, including feel. If he does not feel, then he is as alien to us as he was to the megucas.

We should PROBABLY be expressing at least some measure of indigence at
>As well, the connection is far more stable than I would have expected.
seeing as the connection we can sense to her was described as
>You can barely feel a connection to her, almost like what you were told expending all your command seals would feel like, if you were still in a contract with your Servant.
And this is BETTER than what he expected.

>>24484852
In Magus terms, we can rationalize this as wanting to wish for a large-scale manifestation of the First True Magic (Denial of Nothingness). Initially, it seems like stretching the bounds of what the Grail can accomplish, but it's probably more doable than granting access to the Root, which was the intended purpose of the Grail system, so I think it's workable.

And we can explain it as such to QB, so that he can make it so his wish is more in line with a universal manifestation of the First Magic rather than a universal implementation of the Witch system.

>>24485030
I was going to mention this as well, but it strikes me as incredibly unlikely that this is the case. More likely the 'consumption' is of the servants internal prana reserves. Otherwise consuming an entire servant would've done a LOT more than just recouping losses from a B-rank NP.

>>24485119
Might want to ask how much he and Candeloro got from this then. All of Archerko's Prana, with or without her spiritual essence that's meant to fuel the grail?

>>24485179
>large portion of prana is in kyubey, but he can't access it
>we continue consuming Servants instead of killing them
>yfw Kyubey is the Vessel.

>The fucking Witch tanks UBW and kills Archerko

Jesus tittyfucking christ. That was unexpected.

Uh... yay?

>>24485267
She's using her main method of attack on us right now.

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>>24485261
>C-can we get Angry Manjew instead?

"Caster...I want to know all of your abilities." You order him.

~Very well. I was most commonly known as Kyubey. I have amassed years of knowledge, and have granted wishes to countless young girls. I have seen Countless Witches come and go, and I have seen many girls fight countless Demons. The Irregular, though...she stood above the rest. She is the trump card I hold in reserve.~ Caster replied.

"And Candeloro, how much prana did you get from consuming Archer?" You ask her, turning slightly in her grip.

"Enough, but I wouldn't say no to a top off~" She answers. You do your best to ignore those implications. Well, it now seems like you've got a whole new can of worms to deal with.

[]Keep Candeloro a secret
[]Let Tomoko know
[]Let John know
[]Let them both know
[]Let Assassin know
[]Write in

and you probably

[]ought to let them know about Archer's defeat.
[]ought to keep Archer's defeat under wraps.
[]Write in

>>24485310
[X]Let Assassin know
[X]ought to let them know about Archer's defeat. There are two Monsters now. Maybe if Rook's Servant starts acting up because we don't grant her wish, we can show her Candeloro, but that might make her want it even MORE. We would have to emphasize the fact that she could kill her people by becoming a Witch.
BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT HER TO GET EITHER OF OUR WISHES GRANTED.

>>24485310
[]Let Assassin know


There is no one else who will handle this properly, and if necessary Assassin may be able to kill this... thing.

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>>24485310
Keep calm, don't stick it in crazy, and there's a 99.98% chance Assassin is watching us right now and would kill us before we ever tried to reach for the zipper.

>[]Let Assassin know
>-"Goddammit. This is not how I wanted this to happen."
>[]ought to let them know about Archer's defeat.

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>>24485310
Tomoko's probably going to find out one way or the other, since we summoned Mami to keep tabs on her while Assassin wasn't around. We should probably let her know, preferably through assassin, as she can probably handle the concepts better and translate them.
Keep Archer's defeat under wraps with John, Tomoko can know though. I don't trust John, and the more enemies he sees the less likely he's going to stab his friends

>>24485310
So he DOES have Homura to summon and we now have that knowledge in a sense IC. Good, I guess. Still, she will not look kindly upon us for letting this happen, but then, we didn't know. She'd get that.

>[X] Let Tomoko know.
It was our last resort. I know she liked Mami but it was either do this to her or see her die at the hands of Archerko. We didn't want this, we didn't wish for this! It's all so fucked up... why, why us!? We're going full Evangelion mode now it seems.

If we run crying (in a sense) into her less than ample bosom we just might not get knifed by Murder McBitchtits. Yes, I'm saying we romance Tomoko. We're already so fucked we might as well fuck up all the way..

>>24485310
>[] Ought to let them know about Archer's defeat.
"Archer has been neutralized." should be enough. Leaves it ambiguous as to whether we defeated her in 1v1 servant combat or took out her master, so it helps keep our full capabilities under wraps.

>[]Let Tomoko know
We were literally willing to stay in her home while looking for a new base of operations. As a Master of Caster. With her being the Master of Assassin. We're pretty well entrenched in this alliance at this point, so there's no point in concealing one of our people from her.

>[]Let John know
But not the details. Just enough that he knows that our doubts about the Monster class itself have been alleviated slightly (whether or not this is ACTUALLY the case), and so that he knows if Candeloro is out doing Servanty things that she's with us. This way he won't have Monster attack her while out on a random patrol without knowing that it'd be taken as a declaration of hostility against us.

>>24485369
It's her prerogative whether to inform Assassin; it'd be indiscreet of us to inform the Servant before the Master. If we tell Assassin she's going to tell Tomoko regardless, so it's better to go through the proper channels.

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>>24485441
Yeah, I guess you're right.

ALSO guys. Let's hope she can't make familiars.

>>24485459
OH SWEET MOTHER OF ANGRA MANYU
THIS WAS WHY SHE WANTED A TOP OFF

>>24485459
Aw, why the hell not? It's Servants all the way down!

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>>24485465
Aaaand now I'm hoping someone summoned an MEoDP user. C'mon Ryougi, save the human race from our evil!

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>>24485524
>>24485499
It's actually not that bad... they just do everything the originals do AND she can possess them AND use a Tiro Inferno instead of a Finale.
She is gonna fuck us over in every way

>>24485558
Goddamn. We just turned this grail war into an absolute shitstorm and broke everything.
ON ACCIDENT.
Goddamn.

>>24485584
WHERE'S YO MIND ORIGIN NOW, BITCH?!
Don't worry, it's good to have moments like this; it builds character

The next day you leave Saber to guard the warehouse with Caster, and Candeloro is with you. At college, you manage to sneak out to the dorms. Assassin manages to catch you outside the door. "Oh, excellent. I would like to speak with you in private for a moment." You tell her, motioning for her to follow you slightly away from Tomoko's door. "Listen, I just wanted to warn you about a slight...mishap I had last night. My Archer managed to find and combat the Red Archer, and Caster said he could enhance her. In doing so she...she changed. I'm not certain how to break the news to her about Archer's change." You confess. Assassin raises one eyebrow curiously.

"Mine." Candeloro says, her voice cold and serious from where she has materialized behind you. You're thankful that the area you're in is empty of people.

"I...See." Assassin says, her mouth twitching slightly as if she's trying not to laugh, "Well, then, I guess Tomoko and I have nothing to fear from you after all." She says, inclining her head slightly to Candeloro. Candeloro's frosty glare melts into a warm smile. "Anyways, Tomoko is feeling much better. If you have some place defensible now, then if she can spend the night in the safety of your abode, I should be able to resume scouting again tonight, if you wish." Assassin adds.

[]Accept Tomoko into your humble abode
[]Thank her for the offer, but its best if you don't consolidate your forces
[]Actually, you'll cover scouting tonight
-[]With...
[]Write in.

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I must also point out that the Character Sheet does not label her as "deceased". Thus, she is most likely severely wounded as in the "Fate" and "Heaven's Feel" routes of F/SN. And she's allied to "Saber" of all classes.

We're replaying Heaven's Feel 5 on multiple levels. We're Rin, Tomoko is Shirou. They are the servants. It's like things got split.

>>24485584
To be fair, that's kind of the point of Caster. Desummon this witch the instant she starts causing suicides/disappearances. We do NOT want Ciel to come looking for us!

>>24485611
>Accept Tomoko
Let a real assassin gather some info as we get Tomoko points. Let's get everyone happy under our roof as we construct Prana Generators! And teach her more about magecraft. She's like our Shirou people, let's get her megamanning up to snuff!

>>24485611

It seems Assassin thinks we are an idiot.

[]Accept Tomoko into your humble abode

No need to give her more reason to end us.

>i leave for one thread
>yall already accidently started witchpocalypse.
good job guys.
pretty certain witch mami is fairly indestructible as well now, AND shes gone full yandere mode.

if she can make familiars were all screwed so guys, get rid of the mami for now.

also out of curiosity, can coobie summon madoka?

>>24485656

I'm assuming that is the "Irregular" he referred to.

>>24485611
Assassin, for once is wrong?
Don't judge a book by it's cover. You might get a REALLY DEEP papercut.
Anyways:
[X]Accept Tomoko into your humble abode
I feel strange leaving a Witch in our new abode as i do having her in our potential Romance's. I sense Yandere like I've never sensed before.

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>>24485611
[] Apprentice time!
also set ground rules with the yandere boob witch.
personal space boundaries, making a bit of noise when coming up behind us. that sort of thing

>>24485666
I believe in the flashback, it said the Irregular was Homura, actually. She must be our Avenger.

>>24485666
reading the thread, homura is the irregular, and its actual homura post PPMM, so shes stupidly retarded powerful on the level of high tier servants.

still think thats sucks you guys accidently'd a mami though.

>>24485648
Actually, that was me derping and forgetting to mark it.

>>24485680
>>24485685

Yes, this is correct, excuse my momentary lapse.

>>24485667
But we can just desummon her if we wish. We have an "off" button to this yandere.

We can use a command seal to resummon her as the normal, nice person she really is though. To dismiss this yandere bitch to get the original back at the behest of Tomoko...

That's major points. She'd trust us completely with that act of senseless illogical BS. I doubt we can, but hey, a man can dream. Can we OP?

>>24485703
So we DID kill her off. Meaning we have fucked up HF. Wonderful. So fucking wonderful. We're gonna end up in Notes land by the end of this...

>>24485731
>wanting HF end
why?
that means we have a dark sakura whos gonna be running around as the evil grail eating everyone and will inevitably try to eat us.

i really am not pulling for this, rather we win, make sure coobie doesn't accidently the human race with his wish and we could probably use our wish to grant our wish and our allies wish once it is done.

>>24485731
Theoretically, yes. But your link is tenuous and you're not certain you can forcefully desummon her. But assuming you were successful, then yes you could expend a command seal to resummon her as Mami.

>>24485769

Utter waste of a seal. This is putting sentimentality before utility and I will not have it.

>>24485731
Now, this may be where my judgement lapses on the best method of winning the Grail war, but I fully support this action. The moment we get Mami back we apologize over and over, and ask for forgiveness.

>>24485769
>link is tenuous at best
FUCK, WERE GONNA END UP AT SOME POINT TRYING TO DESUMMON HER, FAIL HORRIBLY AND WATCH HER EAT NEARLY ERRYONE JUST TO SUSTAIN HERSELF.
GOD DAMN IT.

>>24485781
i agree with kirei here actually, dumping her for literally only tomoko points is retarded as fuck and it could also fucking fail har and simply piss off the witch.

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>>24485731
GAZE UPON YOUR NEW HOLY GRAIL.

>>24485731
hey, just because she maybe a dangerous psychotic does not mean she is a bitch, as long as she behaves and starts learning space she'll be fine. though i also think that re-summoning her as mami would be a good push for tomoko and away from getting crushed into witch bosom.

>>24485782

A reminder that every command seal we use for stupid shit is one less thing keeping our pet Eldritch Abomination in line. He could witch her again just to spite us, for that matter.

>>24485611
>[]Accept Tomoko into your humble abode

Also, we need to get a full rundown on just how much control Coobie has over little miss WitchTits over here. If his control is at all in question, we should think about de-summoning her preemptively so she doesn't go off the leash in the middle of a fight and start eating the city, or us.

>>24485802
He would not do that. He has to take advantage of the situation. It wouldn't be like: You sleep tonight and in the morning you have an evil harem on you.

>>24485834

Well, true enough, but this is still damn foolish.

>>24485802
And the worst part is that you're right.
This is why I like it when you're in these threads, to be the voice of immoral reason reminding us not to do stupid shit when we're blinded by sentimentality.

>>24485767
"Heaven's Feel" is the name of the ritual that causes the Grail War. The Grail War is "Heaven's Feel". And we have fucked it up, by accident. We are so so fucked.

>>24485781
>>24485795
I'm not saying we do it now, I'm saying we do it if it looks like we can't really control her and she starts doing what witches do, causing mass suicides and disappearances. The Church people, we're in a very "Christian" country. Lots of Catholics in 'Murrica. Lots of churches, they'll see it. They'll send Executors, they'll fuck us up hard with conceptual weapons and "Scripture" class armaments! We might even get to eat "Alien Stomach World" if we piss them off enough. NOPE! Don't want that, worst end.

>>24485845
see>>24485796

Do you guys think the Church will like our new creation?

>>24485611
>[X]Accept Tomoko into your humble abode
Make it clear to Candeloro that it's a teaching thing.
>[X]If you're scouting, make sure to keep us on the line.
Candeloro can teleport, may as well make the most of this even if we want Mami back in the future.

>>24485845

Using a seal to kill the Witch? Regrettable, but I'll take it if its necessary. Using a seal to get Mami back? Unnecessary sentiment. If both can be done, and have to be, fine, but this isn't the rose and sunshine tour, its the gods damned Holy Grail War, and you sure as shit don't win by being nice and saving dead girls.

>>24485731
>Meaning we have fucked up HF.

How, exactly? Just because we nommed some of Archer's prana doesn't mean we ate the essence of the Servant. Coobie wants the Grail as much as we do, he wouldn't intentionally fuck up the ritual for no reason.

And if we somehow DID manage to nom the whole damn Servant, we can probably just have Coobie deal with the Witch the old-fashioned way.

>>24485845
personally i don't give as much of a shit about the church provided we don't accidently go full on witchpocalypse, and since we still control caldeloro for now and shes essentially yandere for us, were in the clearing for now.

i personally think dead apostle bullshit is still far more likely then the church to be honest because this type of event is easily weird enough where it would drag some shit like primal murder out or some shit and kill the every living shit out of everything here, especially since we were the ones to accidently the grail war here and its away from japan, so its something utterly new in the world.

"Ah, yes. I definitely have room for Tomoko. I'll have my familiar lead you to the specific warehouse in the docks." You tell her. She nods, gives Candeloro a measuring glance and leaves. You take the time now to lay some ground rules with her about your personal space and the whole sneak up on you thing. She just grins and pinches your cheek, giggle slightly as she skips around you and entwines her arm with yours. She spends the afternoon just trying to dote on you, even in the minimal comforts of your new warehouse home. Sayaka, though, seems a little uncomfortable around Candeloro.

-----

Late that night, Assassin shows up with Tomoko, bidding her a farewell before disappearing into the foggy night. Tomoko spends several long, tense moments just staring at Candeloro before eventually nodding. "You're alright. Your clothes could use some work, but you're alright." Tomoko decides, and Candeloro smiles warmly, patting the young girl's cheek softly, causing her to blush slightly. "Right, anyways, what am I learning tonight?" She asked, tearing her eyes away from Candeloro's assets to look at you.

[]Using your natural skills[DC70]
[]A few simply illusion spells[DC40]
[]A few offensive spells[DC58]
[]Write in[DC??]

Rolled 77

>>24485900
lets do natural skillz.

>>24485900

Familiars. Lets teach her familiars. Intelligence if vital, good that she knows how to gather it.

>>24485912
well that worked spectacularly.

>>24485769
>But your link is tenuous and you're not certain you can forcefully desummon her.
Man, this is the kind of thing I wanted to get out of asking whether the connection is sustainable or not. And "it's fine for now but at some point down the line you might just up and lose control over her" is pretty much textbook instability.

She's probably fine for now as long as we don't 'neglect' her by sending her out on solo scouting duty all the time.

>>24485802
>>24485834
QB has literally zero reason to try and fuck with us, even discounting that "doing things out of spite rather than practicality" is completely outside his modus operandi.

To him, "Winning the grail war" is functionally identical to "solving entropy". No way in hell he's going to jeopardize that...

That said, if we look at what we know about his reaction toward human morals in the face of the problem of Entropy, we can ALSO figure that we're probably going to have to keep him on a tight leash if we're trying to avoid collateral damage. From where QB sits, winning the Grail is like contracting infinity Madokas with regard to solving his problem. He's going to go HARD.

>>24485912
Agreed that her natural skills is probably the best thing to work on, since as long as we're allied, it's better to expand our overall capabilities rather than doubling up on the number of people who can do one thing.

>>24485913
We can make twice as many familiars if necessary; we can NOT replicate whatever Tomoko's potential abilities can do.

Rolled 23

>>24485900
[X]Using your natural skills[DC70]
[X]Intelligent applications of said skills

Rolled 98

>>24485863
So long as she stays relatively sane they won't give a shit. The instant scores of people start mysteriously "dying"? Yeah, We'll get nailed with a Sealing Designation (association hates us remember, all they need is a good excuse and we'll get one) as well as a Death Sentence from the church. The INSTANT this bitch steps out of line she gets desummoned. That's it, I will not face the same end Kerry's dad would have faced had Kerry not capped his ass.

>>24485900

>Natural Skillz

Let's go for broke. Dice Gods, please bless me.

>>24485966
Very blessed, apparently.

Rolled 20

>>24485900
[X]Using your natural skills[DC70]

>>24485985
>>24485956
god damn it guys, stop being terrible.

Rolled 5

>>24485900
>[]Using your natural skills[DC70]
We're going to teach her how to minmax her powers as much as she can.

And... I expected things to be much, much worse if we kept Candeloro around. At some point we will talk to Sayaka and apologize, and let out our regret for what happened to Mami.
I'm sorry, but we can at least do that, right? This way we can get it off our chest without wasting command seals.

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>>24485998
>>24485985
>>24485956
Welp, we fail. Shamefur Dispray people, shamefur. Both we and her are going to suffer for this, hard. But hey, last time we only got one success out of 5, this time we got two. Hopefully we remain conscious after this.

>>24485998
Oh god, Tomoko just drained us of all our blood, didn't she? Candeloro is going to flip out and kill Tomoko, Assassin will flip out and kill Candeloro and Sayaka, and QB starts running around making contracts and making witches just to get enough prana to survive.

>>24485998
>>24485998
>>24485956
GOD DAMN IT WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS STOP AFTER I ROLLED
>>24485912
ITS LIKE YOU GUYS LIKE TO ROLL TO FUCK UP!

>>24486048
To be fair, OP wants 5 rolls. We don't know if he counts any non-existing rolls as auto fails. And he likely won't tell us the entirety of his system.

>>24486069
bah that sucks hard.

>>24486069
It's a quest. I doubt Umar is going to let the dice get in the way of the story.

>>24486021
>>24486045
Uh, 2 successes out of 5 with DC70 is still better than average. (You'd get 1 or fewer successes on this check like 53% of the time.) Not sure why you guys are so down on this result.

>>24486113
mostly because of the fact that the first roll was a success and if it wasn't for the fact it seems to be required of us to roll five times, we probably would have succeeded instead of failed hard and probably lose a fair bit more blood in the process.

Fuck. It's 5:00 in the morning. I'll just read the rest, see you guys.

>>24486107
No no, he's quite clever. He wants to fuck us. He knows the dice will do that for him so we can't get mad at him when he actually does because he technically left it to chance.

>>24486181
Same, I'll update the Ebook sometime tomorrow. It's got everything up to this point saved in a word doc so far.

>>24486210
Oh, right. Thread is archived.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A%20Grail%20War%20In%20Reflection,

As well, I will call it here with the vote going to Nat Skillz, and those first five rolls. As for dice and story...I often use the dice to help me add flavor to the story. technically, only one needed to be above 70 for success. The more that exceed this, though, the better you do. And the ones that exceed it by a lot or fail to meet it by a lot will cause complications, maybe. The ones that only barely miss, or don't miss by an extreme amount tend to be just small problems.

>>24486232
ah i see.

>>24486232
So we got one crit fail, one crit success, a normal success, and two hard fails. Still not looking good for us gentlemen.

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>Enhancement witches out a Puella
Fucking called it. Glorious.

Anything else happen while I was out?

>>24486232
Oh, in that case I'll finish it now.
Ebook updated, link to download in pastebin: http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb
>>24486292
We accidentally the whole grail war by enhancing Mami.
We might have accidentally had Candeloro absorb Archerko's spiritual essence as well, meaning th grail can now only be filled with the souls of 6 Servants at most. We're not sure.

>>24486292

Er, is that what happened?

From reading the story, it actually didn't seem like enhancement Witch'd her out, it seemed more like it was a natural result of the pressure and danger she was in.


If "enhancement" really means making them go Witch, I'd like to clear that up with Kyubey for certain.

>>24486452
Check the state sheet

>>24486452
see >>24484917

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>>24486402
>We accidentally the whole grail war by enhancing Mami.
Whoops.

I actually saw that coming. I was reading the archives and thinking why the enhancement option kept coming up, then spontaneously recognized how Puella were "strengthened", as it were. Then of course I was reading the archives and couldn't talk about it, and was called away before the enhancement option came up again, so I didn't bother to mention it.

Oh well. Tell 'em Sayaka.

Here's something else to think about: We summoned Coobie without a catalyst.

>>24486402
>We accidentally the whole grail war by enhancing Mami.

Doubtful, since borking the war would be contrary to Kyubey's goal of getting the Grail. And even if the witch DID eat Archerko's essence, we happen to have the ability to summon meguca. We can just kill the damn witch and fix the problem.

Small question:
Can the girls desummon their combat frills and go around as normal school girls?

>>24486478

Oh, I see.

>>24484917
>Personal Skills:
>???
>Noble Phantasms:
>???

We should ask her about those, I think.

Also, probably not use Mad Enhancement because, well, I'd rather keep a mostly sane Candeloro rather than a full-blown Witch.

Is there a particular reason you never discussed Tomoko Kuroki's wish with her?
You did have such a discussion with Jack after all.