"Alright, things might be a little bit... crazy in there, so I'm going to go in first. I'll let you know when it's safe to follow me."".... Safe?" Sakura asks, hesitant."If it's not safe, why are we waiting out here when Ilya and Rider are inside?" Rin asks, crossing her arms."In case Assassin followed me after I escaped from the Church." I get a surprised double take from all three of them as I open the door. "I'll explain everything in a minute. Right now, I just need you to trust me."I walk inside the house, and I see Ilya standing in the yard, watching the Dojo. "Onii-chan?""Are you alright?""I'm fine, but whatever you're planning on doing with Rider, you should do it quickly. She was crying until a minute ago, and then it got really quiet."I slowly open up the door of the Dojo, and take in the sight. I see what looks like my own corpse sprawled across the floor like I was trying to crawl out of the building, running from something. On his back are a half dozen puncture wounds as well as a rather disorienting puddle of blood. The blood itself paints a trail back to the center of the room where what looks like a small dent from a sharp impact marked the arrival from the wall to my left where the initial attack took place. On the far side of the room, Rider sits against the wall hugging her knees with her hair wrapped around her.>Actions?
>Since there was a pretty strong reaction to it both in the thread and outside it by people following me, 'Naked confrontation' is off the table.
>>24855000run up and hug her thank her for saving us.
>>24855019Awww>>24855000Call out to her softly"Look like you WERE right rider."Wait for her to look up, then trace a knife. Then offer to let her check our identity.
>>24855000Run in and give her a full on hug
So, end of the last thread...>Tell her she was right about us being an imposter.>Something only the imposter would know.>Approach her with knife drawn.Guys, I'm not saying this plan will backfire, but perhaps we should think this one out more.
>>24855055Running up is a baaaad idea.Gently call over to her. Tell her that we were abducted. Thank her for finding out and preventing us from hurting anybody. Ask if she can verify if we're actually back, or acting through another body double.
>>24855000Keep your distance. No sudden moves. Clear, concise explanation that Rider was right about the BODY being a fake, and making that excruciatingly tough call.Deliberately trace a small knife and inflict a small cut in the hand so Rider could sniff out whether we have our true body now.
>>24855125Dont forget we need to yell "Riiiiideeeer dont do anything crazy" in a heartfelt cry as we charge in
Threadly reminder that the updated Ebook can be found at http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDbVoting for >>24855090, but keeping >>24855135 in mind, perhaps we should sit down a few feet from her, then trace and cut palm, then detrace knife. Maybe talk to her before she approaches, saying that Assassin made the fake and we bolted out of the church the moment after we were killed.
>>24855000"You were right, and I need your help to know if this is really me right now."Walk forward without hesitation because we have to show we trust her, maintaining eye contact every step of the way. Offer hand for taste-testing.
So, considering that there's blood everywhere and rider was having problems because of it earlier, we should go towards her slowly, and if she goes to attack, CQC hug her.
>>24855209Oh, and I almost forgot...Make a totally mood-ruining remark like "I was fully expecting the first time you nailed me to end in blood, tears and a lot of confusion for everyone involved, but this wasn't what I had in mind."
>>24855216Tactical Cooldown Hug Action?
Maybe just start talking. "As soon as you stabbed me, I woke up in the church with Zouken telling Assassin about his "simulacrum". I got away surprisingly easy. Rider?"We should be careful. Freaked out Rider could get REALLY bad, really fast
Should we ask Sakura to come in with us? Ask her to be ready to use a Command Seal to ensure that Rider doesn't hurt herself? Keep a bit of distance between us and Sakura so Rider doesn't think we intend to use her as a hostage?
>>24855358No.She will take it VERY badly on seeing a corpse of Shirou.All of them will.
>>24855153>>24855196>>24855209This seems like pretty much the plan to go with.Though>>24855216This brings up an important point. She was saying that even with the smell of old blood from our wound in the dojo, she thought she could handle a few hours before succumbing to her baser instincts.This is a LOT more blood than that (though the fact that it's not "genuine" blood might throw the equation off a bit? We have no way to know.)Hopefully she's able to hold it off for around a half-hour in these conditions.>>24855227Gotta save this line for AFTER the crisis has been averted, I think.Definitely worth saying, though.
Rolled 3Part of me wants to work this through logically so nothing bad happens.Part of me wants to make a bluff roll and pretend to be a ghost for the rest of this quest, or until someone calls us on it.Guess which part won?
>>24855450I was just copying over my favorite from the aftermath of last thread.
>>24855000"Rider, you were right. Sort of.However, you DID kill me, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to punish you. And I am going to do so in the most cruel, painful manner I can think of.I forgive you, Medusa."
I step inside, slowly and softly. "Rider?" Her head perks slightly, grabbing for something I can't see. "It's me. Listen, you were right. you actually saved me." She freezes mid motion, waiting. Listening? "The body was a fake, Zouken had me trapped somehow. When you killed it the real me woke up.""..... How do you know you're the real one?"".... Honestly, I don't. I was hoping you could tell me."I stay several paces away, letting her decide on her own. "What if you aren't real? What if you're Assassin again?""I won't let him hurt you.""How?""Sheer stubborn determination." I respond levelly. I then slowly conjure a knife and slice open a finger. "I'm sorry I'm asking this while you're so freaked out, but can you check? That's the only way I know for certain."She sits there, staring at me for a long time waiting, thinking.[DC10 Trust]
Rolled 3>>24855763In Rider we trust.
Goddamn we suck>>24855783Thank you
Oh boy, gonna be one of those threads.
>>24855783THANK YOU BASED FIRST ROLLEREveryone else can report to the soylent Green facility.
>>24855090>>24855208Dismiss the knife almost immediately after cutting ouselves. If we can get blood by biting our lip rather than producing weapons, even better."You were right, you know. After the spike hit home, I woke up in a Magi's atalier under the church. Zouken was talking about what a useful the decoy was, and about how our alliance would fturn to shit because of this. I barely managed to sneak out."Extend the bloody hand/lip/whatever."While I have to admit getting nailed by you wasn't how I envisioned it, that was the best thing that could have happened. I don't blame you for what you did, and I'm grateful for freeing me. Now, if I'm real, this blood will taste like at the temple. If not, then I'm probably another decoy."Approach, gently."In either case, I just want you to know - thank you. Rescuing me from that church did more good than you know."
>>24855763Whatever we do, assure her that (if our existential fear are true and we are a dummy), we need to raid the Church. Shirou's body is still there, even if the remote control dickery is still at play. We need to let her know that we still believe in her and that we can be saved, and we aren't dead.Keep the hope alive. Make her believe in happy endings.
If we are another simualcrum, Rider is going to be soooooo fucking traumatised, it's not funny.
>>24855997"First boy I like in three thousand years, and I have to stab him to death. Twice."Are we sure Rider doesn't have E-rank luck too?
>>24855997I'm pretty much convinced that may be the case, though I'm hoping there would be less trauma for all involved.I'm thinking the true body (not the bland flavored blood Rider initially tasted at the Temple) is currently in that forest clearing. Like Merlin said...
>>24856041Its D rank I think.
>>24855944This, this, this.I wouldn't place any bets that we're in our real body right now.However, I suggest that if we are a fake, we let everyone know this time around, go off with rider and have her kill us again (or someone else if once was too much for her), destroy the bodies, and then have everyone else make a plan and raid the church without us.If we're not there and the bodies are destroyed, Zouken can't learn whatever plan everyone else comes up with.
>>24856073>I wouldn't place any bets that we're in our real body right now.I mean, they came down into the church's basement looking for us, and were convinced that we had escaped before we botched our attempt to stealth away.No reason for them to freak out about our going missing if the thing they saw was missing was a backup simulacrum body.
>>24856073Our body MIGHT also be out in the forest with Avenger, which would neatly explain why Merlin thought we were out there. Rather than have Rider kill us again we could have them raid the church while we go kick over Avenger's sand castle. If this body isn't real, we know its in one of those two places.
>>24856130Here's a Shriou. There's a Shirou. Shirou, Shirou and more Shirou, Stab a Shirou, kiss a Shirou. Shirou, ShirouGil
>>24856130>>24856102>>24856073Hold off on killing us, even if it is a dupe1-Being killed hurts. Seeing people Shirou loves hurts them. Don't cause them to be hurt when they can be saved.2-We can skill actively participate in our rescue rather than be comatose in worm-rapist's lair. He's already pissed that we escaped once - I don't wanna go back to him, again. Why not loudly declare "SURE IS A GOOD DAY TO FUCK UP A CHURCH!" and then saunter off later giving our harem enough time to plan.3-We may be real, and people die when they are killed.
She slowly stands up and walks over to me, taking my hand and slowly giving the cut on my finger a tiny suck.There's a tiny, surprised gasp as she throws her arms around me, mumbling something in a language I don't understand. For a few moments we just stand there. Then, some stupid reflexively snarky part of my brain tries to ruin the moment. "You know, I think maybe you misunderstood what people mean by 'getting nailed'. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to involve this much blood and emotional trauma.""Pfft, yeah. If you do it the boring way." She returns, surprising me with a kiss before suddenly walking past me. "A-anyway, now we know that it's dead and the real you is back, right?" She hesitates. ".... It was still you, right?""Kinda. I mean, I was there in spirit at least until you attacked it. The body was a loaner apparently, but it was still me.""So you're still you you who...." She trails off, relieved smile on her face. ".... Alright. That's good to know." We step out of the Dojo, and Ilya gives us both a surprised looks before letting out a relived sigh and walking in the direction of the front door.>Actions?
>>24856073... My inner mad scientist wants to study this simulacrum phenomenon more and use it to, I dunno, make functional bodies for Sakura and Ilya.But my rational side is telling me not to mess with magical experiments that involve Zouken.
>>24856130My guess is that our body was out in the forest, not with Avenger, but with Zouken.He had to be keeping our body SOMEWHERE, seeing as the Matou house got blown up.That'd mean his attack on the church was as much about getting rid of Kirei's meddling as it was about securing an "actual" base of operations for whatever he has planned.(Since Zouken initially met with us through Assassin in a warehouse like those down by the docks, that could've been his initial secondary base of operations. We later learned that Kirei had been snooping around by the docks, so it could be that Zouken might have attacked Kirei to try and get rid of whatever he had learned there.)All speculation, obviously, but that's half the fun.
>>24856225Structural Analysis on the fake cadaver?We magical CSI now.Later, we debrief the rest of our trusted team, then assemble and demolish the church.
>>24856225Get everyone inside.Show them the body, explain the situation, then BURN IT.That body must burn. All the information it's learn. It will tell Zouken of MERLIN as well. It must be atomised.
>>24856225[x] MAD SCIENCE
>>24856225We need to dispose of the simulacrum corpse to the best of our ability, as we overheard them discussing that if the spirit returns to the main body, the remains of the simulacrum will attempt to return to its master by any means necessary in order to transmit what it had learned.If we decide to postpone this until after explaining everything to the rest of the household (which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do), we should at least keep an eye on the thing so it doesn't melt into a puddle of magic goop and slop out the door.Other than that, we need to let everyone know what the deal was with the whole "situation" inside.
>>24856225Find Simulacrum, destroy it. Assassin said that if it doesn't return alive he losses a bit of himself. Fairy sure it's dead, but take no chances. Infodump everyone. Be sure to state "Rider's intuition was right and she did the right thing, no matter how confusing it was at the time.">>24856273Let's not burn it and let the sight and smell of a burning body invoke PTSD Shirou, we don't need that right now.
So we should secure the body, or destroy it and let everyone else know what was going on. Zouken is NOT allowed to get a hold of it and it'll be grabbed the moment it leaves our sight. Other than that, see if we're back to normal now. If we are, see if we're able to contract again, maybe have Ilya take a look at us.
>>24856312>Let's not burn it and let the sight and smell of a burning body invoke PTSD Shirou, we don't need that right now.Oh man, especially what with the body looking like an identical copy of him.THAT'D be a hell of a way to lose a couple SAN points.
>>24856225Destroy the Simulacrum
Ask Rider what is was she mumbled. Hug her again, HUG ILYA because she just saw her brother skewered in front of her. Sort out what to do with the body.
>>24856227>>24856271>>24856289>>24856325Reminder that Assassin managed to sneak in our house on Saturday, passed Saber and everyone who was inside, to let us talk to Zouken. I wouldn't put it passed him to sneak in again to retrieve the Simulacrum
>>248562251. Explain what just happened to everyone.2. Make DAMN SURE the thing is 100% ultra-extra-mega dead. If there is any chance whatsoever of it exploding into evil zouken worms or the like, we burn the damn thing. If its well and truly inert, have Rin and Ilya take a poke at it to see if we can learn anything.3. Inform everyone of what we overheard from Zouken. Particularly the bits about some as-of-yet unidentified person in our little alliance being manipulated/blackmailed/working for Zouken. Most likely he was using us as a hostage to get his claws into someone.
>>24856312>>24856273>>24856329I disagree. We should burn it, but not NOW.We should strike while the iron's hot. Fuck with Zouken and his plans and figure out who the third person was at the Church (we managed to ID two of them - Zouken & Assassin)Afterwards, though. Shirou needs to relive what happened in the Fire 10 years ago. We can't really experience that until we have a trigger. Lighting outsevlves on fire is a bit dangerous, nach. However, seeing something as personal as your own doppelganger burn? Might give us some insights.>>24856365Just be sure to have our harem (ESPECIALLY Sakura) there when it happens - she's on the verge of a breakdown, too, and having us do the "You saw me at my weakest, but your strength pulled me through" bit might prove helpful.>>24856365Solid instructions. I'd hold off on burning it for now (I wanna counterstrike at the Church while we can), but the gist of this is tactically sound.
>>24856358Good point. Learn what we can from it now, then burn it. Don't let it out of our sight.
>>24856446Perhaps we should wrap it up and carry it with us when we raid the church.I personally think it would be overkill, but I have the mental image if SHirou slapping the shit out of Zouken using the dummy-doll as a cudgel."And this-" TWACK "-is for making-" THWACK "Rider cry!"
>>24856365Oh, and one last thing.Call everyone who isn't already aware of what just happened (Caster, Lancer/Bazette, Archer/Issei, ect) and let them know that shit has gone down, and Zouken+Assassin are now active and potentially hostile. If we manage to get a hold of Archer ask him for advice on killing Zouken, he can probably give us some suggestions on putting him down for good.
>>24856513>Perhaps we should wrap it up and carry it with us when we raid the church.The entire point in getting rid of the simulacrum is so it can't make its way back to Zouken and transmit all of its delicious intel.And you want us to not only bring it with us to his base of operations, but put it in direct physical contact with him.Because you think using it as an improvised bludgeoning weapon would be funny?Man, I don't even know anymore.
>>24856513Not gonna be the first time a Shirou is used as a weapon. Projectile or melee.Heeyyy~ Maybe we can use this body as a focal point for tracing those swords that are hard to summon ('Folly' for one thing).
>>24856543This has the added benefit of telling whoever Zouken baited that the rest of the alliance is focusing on killing Zouken, and it wouldn't be wise to side with him....Or, if they come with us, let them stab us all in the back when we're busy with Zouken.Paranoia ho!
>... So the plan is?
>>24856670Kill it with swords.
>>24856670Give Rider the D
>>24856570To our knwoeldge, ZOuekn has at his disposal 1-Himself (and all his magical skills), 2-Assassing (Scarier than normal but still the weakest Servant) and 3-Unknown (Possibly Kotomine or Avenger).We have Two Servants on board with us right now, plus we can call on Lancer, Caster and Arcueid for aid.We're afraid that if we leave the corpse unattended, it will explore/reanimate/burn our house and steal the insurance.It can't DO any of these things if we're observing it.Furthermore, assuming AC-guy is silly enough to follow through on my joke, I doubt Zouken would be able to glean delicious intel on us from the corpse when we're raining down swords, misery, and revenge on his ass.I thought the intel thing would take some finesse, like putting a HD into an enclosure - something easily done for a skiller person, but requiring some time and delicacy.>>24856365I'm vouching for this, AC-guy. It seems sensible.Seriously, we have this conversation all the time. "Actions?" leads to waffling about in discussion
>>24856670Burn it. Totally.
>>24856591The most likely possibility is he was, or was planning to, blackmail Sakura/Rider by using us as a hostage. That would be spot-on to his normal modus operandi, and would almost assuredly have worked as long as he had our real body safely stashed in the cellar.
>>24856670>[ ] Implant Broken Phantasm sword or lotsa C4 in the fake body, send to Zouken, detonate.But seriously, dispose of the body and be done with it.
>>248566701) Make sure the simulacrum doesn't get up and walk away, or get snatched out from under our noses.2) Brief the household more in depth on everything that just happened; the girls outside on what happened in the Dojo, Rider on what we overheard Zouken and Assassin talking about, clarify details of both to all parties, etc.3) Call alliance members and inform them of what happened. Maybe slightly less detail than the people in the house, but make sure they know that Zouken/Assassin are definitely hostile, and that they've taken the Church as their base of operations.
>>24856670This >>24856365Explain situation, give the simulacra a quick study to learn what we can learn, then destroy it.Then try to discern whether the "Zouken was blackmailing Sakura" theory was true.
>>24856670dispose of the body
>>24856670>>24856365 This, be sure to preface explanation with something along the lines of "Rider's intuition was right and she did the right thing, no matter how confusing it was at the time."
>>24856698>ArcueidShe's already gone back home, and has stated that she can not interfere unless shit gets VERY out of hand, at which point we're fucked anyway.Also...>>24856396>figure out who the third person was at the Church>To our knwoeldge, ZOuekn has at his disposal 1-Himself (and all his magical skills), 2-Assassing (Scarier than normal but still the weakest Servant) and 3-Unknown (Possibly Kotomine or Avenger).What's making you think there's a third person at the church? We didn't hear anything identified as a third voice; only unattributed voices that we later identified as Zouken and Assassin as we were starting to come to. Did I miss something last thread?
>>24856848I think he meant the person (currently in the alliance) who is being blackmailed/coerced by Zouken
Hello /tg/, glad to see we're not dead yet. Well, that the real us isn't dead yet. Heh.>>24856670Let's practice our Gilgamesh impression on our fake body. Or try out some of dad's ordinance on it. Either way, the thing needs destruction and Assassin needs killing, so every second we waste is a second we're not doing that.
Everyone gathers in the living room, where I sit them down to explain. "Alright, so here's the short of it: at some point fairly recently, I was replaced by a simulacrum duplicate.""Wait, how did you do that?" Rin asks. "That's really advanced Magecraft.""I didn't. Assassin did."".... What?" Sakura asks, confused. "You mean you weren't here?""Not knowingly, and not by choice. I mean, I was still here, I was just apparently having something of an out of body experience."".... So the real you was?""Being held by Zouken in the basement of the Church when I woke up. Rider realized it wasn't the real me, and shocked me out of the fake thing and back to reality.""... I see." Rin responds. "What happened to the fake?""... Neutralized, in the Dojo. I'm not sure I'd recommend going in there, I haven't had a chance to clean it up yet.""Clean what up?" Sakura asks, looking between myself and Rider confused."What Shirou means is that I had to kill it when it started freaking out after he lost control of it.""... So there's a Shirou shaped corpse just sitting in the Dojo?" Saber asks while Rin and Sakura stare at me started. "That's.... rather disturbing.""So wait, how long has the fake Shirou been running around?" Saber asks."I'm not sure. He wouldn't be able to do his magic like that so-" Her eyes go wide. "When Zouken tripped the wards last night. It's the only time he would've been alone in that time-frame.""You're sure I couldn't have done the magic?""A simulacrum is like a weaker puppet version of a Homunculus." Ilya explains. "And even then most people can't make them properly. The one you used was either artificial or made from a corpse. You wouldn't be able to properly channel through it. It's likely you could only walk because Assassin allowed you to.""Is there anything we could learn from it?" Saber asks, and Ilya shakes her head."It might give me a limited view of what he did, but I know everything else it could tell us.">?
>>24857057>Merlin deliberately tripped the wards trying to get Assassin caught in the act.Ahaha I hate him SO MUCH.
>>24857057DISSECTION TIME!Let our local magi take a look at it. Illya + Rin should be fine with poking at the nasty thing and see if we can find a version of the Black Box to hack.Plus, themmust burn it while Shiroun watches. the PTSD will be so enlightening from a meta perspective. Plus, Shirou gets to break down cathartically in the presence of people who love him and will protect him. It's too drama-laden not to pass up
>>24857057So how do we get rid of it?
>>24857057"Maybe there's nothing we can learn from it, but there's a chance that they can learn about US from it? Unless one of you knows corpse disposal magic, I'm going to get rid of it. Think it counts as burnable trash?"
>>24857057"His goals aren't really relevant. Or at least they won't be for long, he's still stuck in the church. We should call up Caster and Bazzet and finish him off."
>>24857118This, burn the fake. Also, we should have Ilya check us out to be sure Zouken didn't slip us something.
>>24857057>"It might give me a limited view of what he did, but I know everything else it could tell us."Lets give it a once-over just in case, then we can burn it to ashes.After that, bring up the fact that we overheard Zouken talking about how he was/is manipulation someone in our little alliance. Whether they're complicit or being blackmailed we don't know, but we need to get to the bottom of that before we run off to kick his ass so we don't have to worry about someone teamkilling us.
>>24857134I have to admit, while I'm very fond of getting the eggheads to render the simulacra into tasty evidence, I wanna strike while the iron's hot. Zouken is gonna fortify like a bitch. The sooner we react, the more likely we can catch him off-guard.
>>24857057We should suggest that we think it could've happened even earlier, which would explain our inability to recontract with Saber; the command spells would've been with the real Shirou body.If we try and recontract with Saber after Caster's geas is up and it works, it'll be pretty reasonable proof that we had been replaced earlier than that.Command Spells are, presumably, way "bigger" magic than Shirou's personal abilities as far as the academic magi are concerned, so this should make them think a little bit about it without having to outright say what we think ACTUALLY tripped the wards, nor having to bring up our sleep-visit with Assassin back when Archer was still trying to murder us....though at this point, the night visit by Assassin might be perfectly acceptable to let people know about. If that's actually when we were replaced, that is.
...Ah dammit. Hey, did anyone else know that King Arthur owned a dog named Cavall? Because I just remembered that when I came across that reference in my copy of Once and Future King.Forget Bedivere, this is the only thing we can name Diurmutt.
>>24857161>>24857167These. We don't want any nasty surprises when we go wreck his shit.As much as I'd love to run off right now and start blowing stuff up, we need to make sure nobody is going to backstab us, or that he didn't put a magical bomb in our chest just in case we escaped.
>>24857057"Actually... Illya? Knowing me and a the 'impossible' things that I've pulled, What are the chances that I could have been in that body, for a couple days, and used magecraft like normal? I met with Zouken a few days earlier in my room, through assassin no less, and I'm wondering if Assassin might have done the switch way back then?">>24857190I don't think it would have been THAT early on. Rider was with us then, and first sucked out blood after fighting Zouken. We didn't find Saber until we went back inside the house. Zouken would of had to switch the bodies after our fight, but before we met up with Saber again.
>>24857190We really should check about contracting with Saber, just in case.Also, just out of curiosity, do we have any good Anti-Fortress Phantasms? If we're going after Zouken soon, we really need to know what our resources are.
>>24857231Oh, and Destroy the body, drop Illya and Sakura off with Caster (or if Caster is still going back and forth, they can stay here) and then have everyone else attack the church and destroy Zouken.
That corpse is a puppet, right? Are we sure that it isn't, you know, walking out of the house as we speak?
Also remember assassin's simulacrum was said to work very much like our projection, so might've been able to work with it because of that.
When was the last time we compared notes with Archer?
>>24857268> drop Illya and Sakura off with CasterWe still don't know who the potential double agent is. After Sakura, the next suspect is probably Caster. We need to make sure we don't do something full retard in our haste to murder the wormnigger.
>>24857173While that may be true, I believe we can assume that they know the jig is up, and are probably already fortifying, considering we got away.I am also not eager to find out just how huge Assassain really is, since we're fairly sure that he could have taken both Saber and us easily. Adding in Rider and Rin into the equation isn't really going to swing the balance too far into our favor. Caster is still I wild card, so I don't count her, and I think Bazette's still probably a bit paranoid about everything. Especially since it will turn out that a simulacrum signed that thing earlier. Not us.
We may want to try contracting with Saber again to see if that works now. Also Avenger quite probably knew about this due to his "they're looking for your soul wrong" comment. If the contract with saber goes through than this means we were replaced before the wards were tripped and we need a new working theory as to when Zouken managed this.
>>24857276Well, the evidence suggests that it TRIED to walk out, right before Rider stabbed it many, many times.
>>24857236>do we have any good Anti-Fortress Phantasms?>asks about Anti-Fortress NPs>immediately after talking about contracting with SaberOh you. We don't have the prana to fire off city-wreckers, let's focus on how clever we can be at using our toys.>>24857294>We still don't know who the potential double agent is...Hey guys. Hasn't Taiga been acting really weird the past few days?
>>24857298Didn't Assassin mention that he weakens when he loses a bit of himself that is in the simulacrum? Then all the more reason to destroy the fake body before we begin the assault.Also seconding the "Re-establish contract with Saber" plan.
>>24857339We have a good amount of C4 and Rider + Pegasus.Bombing Run sounds like a good idea.
>>24857339>...Hey guys. Hasn't Taiga been acting really weird the past few days?I'm going to chock that up to the nearly back-to-back revelations of "Shirou is a wizard" and "SUDDENLY VAMPIRES".
>>24857368We're officially suspecting Taiga.The paranoia will break our alliance before the traitor at this rate.Personally, I'm betting Bedivere is Zouken's familiar. (Joking. Seriously, trust the pooch.)
I vote we let the actually decent magi examine the body but also have Illya examine our current body as well to see if the extreme weirdness of our body was due to it being a simulcram or not. Also the real Berserker may have been inside us all along. Zouken may have had our actual body when Berserker died and we might or might not be the grail after having made a wish to live during the fire.
>>24857339...but Illya and (maybe) Rin do. Seriously, either Saber or Shirou one needs a contract for the sake of mass destruction.
"Are we completely sure there's nothing to learn from the body?""I can take a look at it to be sure, but I doubt it." Ilya responds, shaking her head. Rin nods."Ilya would know more than me on the topic." She says. "If she says there's no point then there's no point.""I see." Saber says. "Then I suppose we should destroy it?""Assassin said he could learn from it, probably in the way Ilya mentioned. Also he said that if he couldn't reclaim it, he would be weakened.""Alright, so what do we do then? Burn it?" Sakura asks, clearly uncomfortable."Burning's a bad way to do it, unless the fire is REALLY hot is just kinda chars and melts and doesn't dispose of much. Especially the bone." I answer, thinking about it. "I guess magical fire would work? I mean, if it got hot enough.""Lancer said something about that, I believe." Ilya comments. "We could ask him to do it.""What makes you so sure he'd agree?" Saber asks."I'd ask nicely. apparently you didn't notice, but he'll do pretty much anything for women." She replies easily as she walks towards the Dojo. She stops in the doorway. "Did you leave the door open?""No." I respond, looking back and seeing the door cracked.>Actions?
>>24857447It left a good amount of blood.Have Rin scry for its location, quickly.
>>24857447I SAID NOT TO LET IT OUT OF OUR SIGHTI SAID IT, IT WAS SAID, LET NONE DOUBT THE VERACITY OF THAT FACT!Anyway, sound the alarm and rush the Dojo. Find that damn corpse.
>>24857460and/or Rider blood hound
I told you! The damn puppet has been listening at the door...unless...>Search surroundings for Assassin.If he's not there:>Pursue and annihilate puppet
>>24857460>>24857472First:>Go to shed, confirm it's gone.If YES:>PanicIf NO:>Investigate why the door is open.
>>24857447HUNT AND KILL!
>>24857447[X] Kill Zouken
>>24857460Once we confirm that the thing is gone, this is the plan.Because it's definitely gone.Man, I thought there were enough people saying we shouldn't let this thing out of our sight that AC-Guy would've had us follow through on it. Oh well, them's the breaks when we don't go "WAIT A SECOND, YOU HAD SHIROU TURN HIS BACK ON THE DOJO FOR TEN SECONDS, OH NO YOU DON'T" immediately.
Skip straight to [x] annihilate puppet pursue if necessaryPolite sage to preserve thread some because it's already getting bumped heavily.
>>24857447Have Saber standby, Assassin might be on the compound.If its gone, send rider into the air for a quick sweep of the area, throw her our phone to keep in contact.If she doesn't find it and rin scrys it, we get on her ride with Rider and go after it.With her speed + Shirou's hundring/Gay Bulge arrows, that thing can't run far.
>>24857503This. Then cut it up, burn it, toss salt on it, burn it again and bury it.
We are sure that Puppet!Assassin is breaking out, rather than Huge!Assassin breaking *in,* right? He can conceal himself from Saber and the wards, remember?
We rush to the shed, and I open the door. The body's where it was when I left."So, it didn't move?" Ilya asks, while everyone else pointedly avoids looking at it."No, that's how it was when I got here." I answer, looking at it.She kneels by it, closing her eyes and touching it on the neck. "It hasn't been tampered with either.""So wait, someone just snuck in here, saw the body and left without doing anything?" Rin asks, confused."... apparently. Unless Onii-chan left the door open.""No, I heard it shut behind us." Rider responds nervously.>Actions?
I'm thinking we have rider piggyback on saber to pursue (riding skill gives amazing rank ups in all abilities) have Rin just double check the dojo to make sure we aren't flipping our shit over nothing.
>>24857683Rider, is it the same body?I hate to ask it of you but can you taste check?
Seriously, It's either the traitor or the main Assassin body sneaking into our base.Alternative we're being trolled by Archer or Lancer.
>>24857683Assume Assassin is in the compound, because SOMEONE opened that damn door, and we were all in the living room. Call Lancer, see if we can get him here for backup/body disposal. Everyone stays together and alert until then.Put a sword through the corpse, just to make sure.
>>24857683>We rush to the shed, and I open the door. The body's where it was when I left.I thought we left it in the dojo?
>>24857683This is zouken shit we're talking about.WORMNIGGER.That ajar door is big enough for a worm to get out.
>>24857683Who wants to bet assassin managed to sneak in and is abusing presence concealment right now to try and nab someone as a hostage or kill us?> [X] Headcount, make sure everyone is with you, and move together.
>>24857708>>24857712This, EVERYONE USE THEIR BATTLE POSE
>>24857714I assume that he meant the dojo shed, unless ofcourse something else is going on...
>>24857683Who cares if it's a different body? It's still part of Assassin, right?Burn/Destroy/Vaporize it. NOW. Maybe it'll spook Assassin out of hiding.
>>24857714Please just be a typo.Please god. For the love of all that is holy. Please just be a typo.
>>24857683>>24857720Check the gap.Is it slimy like something wormed its way through?
Have rider verify body and prepare some decent trace or another. Hrunting might actually be useful in sword form for this.
>>24857683THIS >>24857720THE SURPRISE WAS WORMSMAGIC BLOODHOUND GO
>>24857708>Archer shows up to tell us something.>Looks in Dojo.>GTFOs.Might not be trolling. Might be legitimately panicked Archer on his way to figure out what the fuck happened.
>>24857736>>24857741>>24857714>Sorry, that WAS a fuckup. If it was the wrong building, Rider would have said something.
Also try Rule Breaker on the body to see what happens
>>24857683Everyone get their game face on.Inspect the corpse, poke it with a sword to be sure. Servants on lookout. Once we verify the corpse isn't Assassin in disguise, have Rider verify that it is in fact the same one she butchered, and not some kind of elaborate fake-out.
>>24857683The body needs to go. NOW. Gilgamesh it!Also, battle stations. The house is no longer safe.
>>24857783>poke it with a sword to be surePin it to the ground with multiple swords, to be sure.
>>24857815>Pin it to the ground with multiple swords, to be sure.Immolate it with as many Broken Phantasms as we can project. Just to be sure.
Pin it to the ground with multiple swords prepare fraggle rock and then stab corpse with rulebreaker because overkill is under rated
>>24857782Yeah this, stab it with Rule Breaker just to be sure.
Encase in in a coffin of C4 for that extra layer of security.
Don't burn it: We don't need flashbacks while being stalked Hassans unknown.
No wait stab it with broken rulebreakerSage for short silly post
>>24857842>>24857873No broken phantasms. They'll level the shed, the dojo and most of our house at the least.
>>24857864Interestingly, if we stab it with Rule Breaker, and it's a fragment of Assassin as was implied, it might break Zouken's contract with him as it did Saber's with us.He might just recontract immediately, but it'll mean he can't do so until he and Assassin are back in the same place, so if Assassin is breaking in he won't be able to give orders at a distance until Assassin returns to the church.If it's not a fragment of Assassin, we get the cathartic feeling of shanking the doppelganger. Win-Win!
I can't tell how much of this panicking is legitimate and how much of it is you guys fucking around.
>>24857873This brings up an interesting question... just what would a borken Rule Breaker actually DO?Area-effect magical EMP maybe? We should experiment with that at some point in the future, when we're less worried about being murdered by whoever is infiltrating our dojo.
>>24857873>>24857927... Simply ingenious.So next time there's a boundary field we need to get into, but don't know what's on the other side, this should be one solution to consider.
>>24857918I think everything up to "turn the corpse into a pincushion and Rule Breaker it for kicks" is fairly legitimate.
>>24857911Stabbing it with rulebreaker might just cause it to lose link to Assassin or disintigrate either way [x] support
>>24857918>Why do you think I'm always asking for people to clarify the vote?
>get everyone on guard>rulebreaker corpse
I'd say we don't give it full pincushion treatment. One nameless sword delivered at high speeds to each limb and left in to prevent regen should suffice to hold it down for rulebreaker should suffice.
>Alright, seriously though, what exactly is the plan here?
>>24858064Corpse stabbing followed by rulebreaker
>>24858064Operate under the assumption that Assassin is on the premises.Pin the corpse with a few swords to make extra-sure it can't go anywhere, then tag it with Rule Breaker to sever its link to Assassin, hopefully rendering it useless to him.
>>24858064>I think everything up to "turn the corpse into a pincushion and Rule Breaker it for kicks" is fairly legitimate.
Hey if we analyze the corpse is it close enough to our origin to be forever preserved in the bladeworks?
>>24858064>>Check for possible signs of worms leaving.
>>24858128It's a puppet copy of Shirou.Shirou is a sword.We can now project Shirou puppets to do our bidding....if only we could actually do that. Unfortunately, I doubt a soulless husk can have an origin.
>>24858128...THIS. We want this to happen, not just for the harem's pleasure.
>>24858118>It's clearly dead and hasn't moved. Ilya already confirmed this.>Are you going to poke it with rulebreaker still on the assumption that will do something?>>24858128>No. If that were the case, you would know instantly by looking at it.
>>24858187I was thinking more for examination in a non horrendously mangled state. Also for having fun recollections years later when we deploy our reality marble and there's our corpse in it. And hey the ability to create false corpses of ourself has its' uses.
So...[X]Be ready for Assassin.[X]Pin corpse.[X]Analyze Corpse[X]Rulebreaker Corpse
>>24858228Poke it with rulebreaker, it may do *something* also it's entirely worthwhile to tell *everyone* there that we're not entirely sure that we managed to outrun assassin and he very well could be here, so be damn careful
We have come back from broken spine and quite possibly horrendous burns while in that body. I want it immobilized before we poke it with rulebreaker.
I walk over to the corpse, summoning a copy of Caster's knife to hand."Shirou? What are you doing?" I hear Rin ask from behind me."Knife severs connections. I just want to make sure there's nothing linked to this think just to be safe."I poke the body with the knife, and it sinks in an inch to come away with some stale looking blood. "If there was anything, that would've destroyed it." Ilya comments as she stands up. "There's not really anything to learn from this, so we should work on disposal. Can anybody here cast a powerful enough fire magic?"Everyone shakes their heads slightly, and Ilya sighs. "Well we want to destroy it, so we need to either talk to Caster or Lancer.""Rider and I could look for them?" Sakura suggests cautiously.Rider sniffs the air. "Someone's been in here. It's hard to catch with all the blood, but there's something else.... Brimstone? It's a new scent though.">Actions?
>>24858463PERCEPTION CHECKS, I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD ASSASSIN IS HERE.
>>24858463Brimstone> Hell>>Evil>>>Angrya Mayu>>>>Avenger
>>24858463I AM THE BONE OF MY SEEING SPOOKY MAGICS
>>24858463"Nobody splits up. Something got in here without us noticing. It might still be lurking around. We stay as a group until we identify the threat."Then we pull out our phone and call Lancer and Caster, get them up to speed and bring one of them in for body disposal.>Sakura suggests splitting up when the compound just got infiltratedConfirmed for either traitor, or crippling lack of genre awareness.
>>24858485>>24858491>BrimstoneOr Archer. You know, with the whole blacksmith thing he has kinda a burnt air around him probably.I think >>24857752 might've guess right.
Guys i think i know how to solve sakura's problem.http://imgur.com/a/n4BTE/
>>24858463[x] shirou PANTYHOUND
>>24858463[x] Call Issei's phone.
>>24858517Major problem with that.Rider has met and been in the same area as Archer before.She said NEW smell. You'd think she'd know what Archer smelt of now.
>>24858508This.I'd call Sakura out for acting as if she never saw a horror movie, but by living with Zouken she probably hasn't.
>>24858519Why does this exist.
[x]Don't split up.[x]Call lancer/caster[x]Call out for Archer. Fake confronational tone.
>>24858578To fuck with AC-Guy's head, judging by how he tends to flip the fuck out when he sees it.
>>24858574She's been near Avenger as well, during the kidnapping.
>>24858574She also fought Assassin while we were going to rescue Saber from Lancer.>>24858578Japan.>feeble-minded lelpedYou mean Taiga, and I think Rider knows her scent Captcha.
>>24858603>She also fought Assassin while we were going to rescue Saber from Lancer.1. That was before Assassin underwent whatever caused him to become all extra-scary. His scent may have changed.2. You mean rescue her from CASTER, right?
>>24858574She's also been in the presence of every Servant, all the Masters other than Caster's original, and two different vampires.If it's atruely new and unique smell then it would have4 to be a player in the war nobody has ever met.I find this unlikely.
>>24858603>2. You mean rescue her from CASTER, right?Yes, that's what I sa-->Lancer.What the fuck? How did--I have no idea how that came out. I'm just going to step away from the keyboard a bit.
Cain maybe? Has rider been around his true form? Also see if our magic bloodhound senses are picking anything up
>>24858685>Cain maybe?>Cain can mimic other Servants>Cain has been missing, no confirmation that he actually died>Assassin has been acting strangely>Lancer said: "He's got the moves and the skill, but something about it seems off. Like an old man trying to emulate things he did in his youth after losing his muscle and stiffening his joints. I don't really know how else to describe it."Guys? GUYS? I'M SCARED NOW.
>>24858742oh god what
>>24858742Wellp, we've got our new paranoia fuel.I'd believe it.
>>24858742>>24858774>>24858778Everyone remain calm, and panic in an orderly fashion.
>>24858742>>24858774>>24858778He's Trolling. Cain can Mantle other Berserker Archtypes, not mimic anyone he damn well pleases.
>>24858742Nope.We ran into assassin when we were escaping.Cain's veil doesn't work on those who already know his identity. Shirou does and so it won't work on him.
Oh god. Cain is absolutely famous for killing someone who never expected it. And the title of assassin is the servant of murder. Cain was summoned as berserker so he probably cannot act as an assassin well as he could fully incarnated. I am now terrified.
>>24858807It may be a berserker-y Assassin. Or he can just dress the part, dammit.
>>24858807Whats to say there wasn't an assassin in the order that could qualify for Berserker.
>>24858742Doubt it. Cain liked us, he wouldn't bitch at us out of the blue and say that we're out of our league here.>Unless Assassin ate what was left of Cain and got some of his power>Or Zouken just summoned Cain as the origin of "murder"[X] Panic
>>24858836Or Cain wants us to get the FUCK out and not interfere with whatever he's doing.
>>24858824AC-Guy has gone on record (can't remember if it was on /tg/ or not. It could've just been us talking) and said that Cain qualifies for three classes: Caster, Assassin, and Berserker.And that Brozerker is arguably his weakest incarnation since apparently it's formed under a false assumption of his story.>>24858836I don't think the same person can be summoned twice in one war, but I could be mistaken.
Also we know servant Berserker is Kain. We do not know servant assassin is. And that's assuming Kain didn't pull a kill and replace followed by using assassin's body as a puppet using mimicked skills. I mean seriously at least one man crazy and famous enough to be berserker could probably pull it off.
>>24858807He can mimic anyone who was able to be summoned into the Berseker class. There are almost necessarily Berserkers that could've been viable Assassins. (Presuming that we are outside a continuity where Hassan is the "only" Assassin, which we would only "know" OOC anyway.)This doesn't mean he has to use Mad Enhancement while mimicing them, however.>>24858836>Doubt it. Cain liked us, he wouldn't bitch at us out of the blue and say that we're out of our league here.Just because Cain likes us doesn't mean he wouldn't attack us if he were contracted to someone who didn't.>>24858815>Cain's veil doesn't work on those who already know his identity. Shirou does and so it won't work on him.Pretty sure this only applies if we know that the masked individual is Cain, which we obviously wouldn't in Buff!Assassin's case. Until now, maybe?
>>24858890The only limitation that I can recall is that only one of each class can be summoned each war. The same servant can be summoned multiple times if they qualify for multiple classes.
>>24858924Oh, I know he's attack, but he'd me nicer to us UNTIL he had to attack us.
>>24858924It would also help explain how he got in without triggering the alarms, since IIRC Cain was keyed into our house's wards while he was aligned with us.
I guess now's a good time to test the Broken Rule Breaker theory.
>>24858980Too many friendly servants around. Although I wonder what happens if we try to use rulebreaker to free Illya of lesser grailhood
>>24859012My prediction: nothing good. She isn't like Sakura where the Grail bits were inserted later. She was created specifically to house the Grail, its a part of her body, or perhaps saying it IS her body would be more accurate.
>>24859012In all honesty?Heartbreaking
Is there even a plan? Or are we just sitting here panicking?
>>24859061So you're saying we just need to have Avalon in Illya at the time
>>24859088Paging Dr. Freud, aisle one.
I'm thinking we get some nice easy to trace sword that gives off illumination (possibly by being on fire) and start stabbing random shadows.
>>24859080I think the only plan we have is "Roll for Perception"
>>24859080I was under the impression that something along the lines of >>24858508 had been agreed upon.The major points are STICK TOGETHER, whip out the phone and bring all our allies up to speed, and admonish Sakura for wanting to split the party when there is clearly a mysterious spooky monster lurking somewhere in or around the house.Also maybe pull out our magical bloodhound trick and see what we can find.
>>24859080I asked for perception checks
>>24859080SPOOKY BLOODHOUND MAGICS
So what's the consensus? Other than Freaking The Fuck Out, I mean?
>>24859236Spooky bloodhound magicks also possibly using magical swords as missiles to be cast into the darkness
>>24859236See>>24859136>>24859130>>24859127>>24859125From the last time it was asked. AC-Girl is probably typing.
>>24859268Also stick together and explain to Sakura why splitting up is a terrible idea against assassin
>>24859270>AC-GirlIt's a goddamn shame he got banhammered, because I'd love to see his reaction to that.
>>24859306>banhammered>checks twitterWell, cuntfucking shitnuggets. That's no fun.
>>24859306From AC-Guy's twitter: "At this point, I'm not ever surprised. Sorry guys, I'm cut off from posting apparently. It keeps saying I'm banned, but then says I'm fine."Just letting everyone know whats up, do avoid anyone misinterpreting his silence as him waiting for us to argue more.
Somebody should archive
>>24859336I will, once sup/tg/ is up again.
>Convince the girls we should never split up again ever>We should all sleep in the same room, too.
From the twitter>Well if the thread's alive when my internet stops acting like a derp, I'll keep running. Otherwise I'll see you guys next time.Think we can do it? I'm not sure, but if it's just bump posts every 2-3 hours we should make it just fine.
>>24859306I wish I could say I'm surprised and a bit pissed, but currently I'm just thinking "Of course. it's only natural for AC-Guy for this to happen.">>24859364Yeah, sure. Unless AC-guy throws the next post in a pastebin and lets me post it, I won't spam the thread.
>>24859364We've kept threads on life support overnight on less posts than this before. We should be good.DAWN OF THE FIRST DAY67 POSTS REMAIN
Obligatory this router pic complete with sage to conserve posts will be performed once suptg is back up
Maybe he found another word on the ban list
>>24859483AC-Guy! Pastebin the post so we can dissect it!
Rolled 20>Every one is hassan>Hassan may be Cain I ROLL TO DISBELIEVE
>>24860140...fuck's sake, /tg/ dice
>>24860140>>24860201This amuses me.Also bump to keep this alive until AC-girl shows up.
Random thought: Zouken knew we got awake. Maybe he started talking about the traitor just to seed uncertainty and everybody is loyal? Even if not, I suggest being completely honest about it with everyone. Just to show that we're honest, trusting, naive, and we wont allow Zouken to destroy our alliance.But just in case, I'm glad we have the Rulebraker. We don't know how much control Caster has over her NP. Maybe she'll be able to severe our Geass but keep her contract with Saber. Hell, maybe she could brake just her part of the Geass, leaving us bound by it. According to UBW, she can steal contracts with it, not only break them.Oh, and a really random thought about UBW. Can Archer Rulebreak himself out of being a Counter Guardian?Also, I'm for shocking ourselves with burning corpse, not because DRAMA (not only at least), but also:- If we're connected with something controlled by Avenger, this can snap us out of it.- If we're alive because of third magic or something else connected to the fire, and if this is causing inability to contract Saber (maybe the first contract was a strange exception, not the lack of second one), we want to know everything about it. Because we want as hell to contract Altria. So Lancer's question "do you want it for yourself or for them" gets kinda good answer.- this shit I'm the most uncertain: if Sakura will be by it (and Lancer suggested she should), she ALSO would face her nightmares, and this (along with "I need YOU to help me) can solve her problems.Random thought #3: maybe Avenger's weird body is a projection made by Assassin?
>>24862184No don't believe that your second spoilery rulebreaker usage works. Otherwise UBW route would be composed of archer catching glimpse of rulebreaker, traing it, and then stabbing himelf with it also i'm thinking avengers weird body is actually shirou's actual original body. also we need to verify that it wasn't just that our previous fake body had some imperfection that prevented contracting.And now for the joking part of my post presenting the ultimate conclusion to the paranoia theories:Shirou's current body is actually Cain's body using his noble phantasm to appear as berserker incarnation of archer. (what can I say the guy was utterly insane and therefore might qualify for berserker)
- Grail needs 7 servants to appear - ThreweThree extra servants are here - falae assassin, gilgamesh and avenger - So we can have three servants when the grail appears - Archer and Lancer kill each other. If Lancer survives then everyone else gangs up on him, thua granting his wish of an awesome fight - If Archer survives he kills himself because he honestly has no reasom to be here anymore. Aplogize for not being able to help him - Only survivors now are Caster Seiba and Rider - All three eithwr contract with caster or Bazett, who Is prolly the only Master with an actual wish - ??? - EVERYONE IS WINNAR
>>24863288Actually, Gil counts as much as three Servants in terms of filing the Grail.So we only need to kill 4 more Servants, 3 if Brozerker's essence gets redirected where it should.That means we only have to kill Avenger, Assassin, and either Archer or Lancer.If Brozerker's soul counts for multiple Servants like Gil's, then we would only have to kill Avenger and/or Assassin to fill the grail.
>>24863288Isn't Bazett's wish to live with her Husbando Lancer?
Don't waste posts, guys. We still have a few hours until AC-Guy will return and we don't want to hit autosage before that.
Sup/tg/ is back up, although rather slow at the moment. Also random thought: could the one that (presumably) made the deal with Zouken be Caster? You know, since she fell for her master and everything.
>>24866781And the thread is already archived.Yours truly,The Archivist Who Likes to Mess with Tags
>>24864549>Gil counts as three.No he doesn't. AC-Guy already said as much.Pretty much every time someone makes that claim.
>>24864688>>24864727So she uses her wish to pull Lancer out of the Grail and True Incarnate him?
Alrighty, finally caught up with the thread! Yeah!And I have to say guys, well done on the whole PANIC front. This was an entertaining read.Updated timeline can be found here for anyone who cares: http://pastebin.com/afNEHk0RBy the by, I may be pulling things from nowhere here, but isn't brimstone the same as sulphur? And isn't the smell of sulphur sometimes associated with vampires?And weren't we paranoid a while back that we'd killed the wrong vampire and there was still one on the loose?
>>24871094>smell of sulphur sometimes associated with vampires?Garlic repels vampires with its smell (apparently) and it has one of the highest sulphur contents of any type of produce.
>>24871766Mythology: Can't get it's shit together.
Rolled 12>>24871094Actually, sulphur is more closely assiciated with the presence of demons.
>>24871989Maybe Assassins puppets are demons?Also we should try contracting saber again
Rolled 19>>24872541>yfw djinns are usually though of/classified as devils/demons
>>24872541Simpler than that - http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Zabaniya>It is the arm of the evil spirit Shayṭān, the cursing hand of the Middle East magecraft specialized in curses
>>24872752>ShayṭānGoddamn etymology can make for some hilarious shit sometimes.
All hands to battle stations!Search the area in pairs, nobody goes anywhere without a Servant. Use our best magic possible to make sure nobody's here. One pair stays with the body in case that's why we're here.
>>24872777>>24872752Also, shaytan as I recall is protrayed as a fire efreeti, which would make the smell of sulfur/brimstone make sense
>>24871094I'm probably remembering wrong but I thought it was a smell cain gave off a couple times somewhere. or maybe avenger. One of the two
>>24873157>Open ebook>Ctrl+F "sulf">No results found>Ctrl+F "Brimstone">>AC-Guy's last post>Ctrl+F "Smell">>Rin's perfume>>food>>Analogy>>food>>Taiga's cooking>>food>>our blood>>failed bloodhound check>>food>>more blood>>Arc>>Rider bloodhound>>Lancer M.D. cooking>>our bloodWell, I couldn't find anything, but this tells me that we're overdue for another cooking scene.
>I need to record a sound file of irrational hate noises for when issues happen.>Anyone still here? I can finish off the thread if people want. Sorry I'm about two hours late getting back.
Hooray for AC-Guy!
>>24874378REJOICEAC-GIRL IS HERE!
>>24874398>You earn the right to call me a woman when you can look a dying loved one in the eye and feel only impatience.
>>24874378Go for it, we wouldn't keep the thread alive if we didn't want you to continue!
>>24874378Ha! Ha! Time for Fate!
>>24874378I'm staying up anyways for pred quest, and making the outline for my own quest on saturday, so yeah please continue.
>>24874426lolwell AC Guy is back, i vote we continue the thread or start a new one.
>So what the fuck was the plan? I didn't really have a firm grasp when the internet decided to fuck me.
>>24874513In general - panick and spot/perception checks
>>2487451320+ hours to clear our heads and we're still paranoid.Let's do this.It's either..>Stick together and search the house.or>One group stays to guard the corpse, while another searches.I vote for the first one. Keep eyes peeled for (most likely) Uber!Assassin.
>>24874513>I was under the impression that something along the lines of >>24858508 had been agreed upon.>The major points are STICK TOGETHER, whip out the phone and bring all our allies up to speed, and admonish Sakura for wanting to split the party when there is clearly a mysterious spooky monster lurking somewhere in or around the house.>Also maybe pull out our magical bloodhound trick and see what we can find.>Convince the girls we should never split up again ever>We should all sleep in the same room, too.
>>24874513Shh, be vewy vewy quiet. We's hunting Assassins. heheheheheh(As a group) One another note... Hey AC-Guy, what time zone you in? Just curious
>>24874714That was my guess... so I probably knew it, but forgot
And if I may descend into "the faggotries" for a second.Dammit Woman, don't you dare be the traitor. We've put so much effort into freeing you from that leech... ah well even if she is, Shirou will still love her. He just might be a bit more maimed than usual
>>24874780If she is we just have to recue and help rider fuck the stupid out of her.
>>24874513lemme guess - ac guys net died again?
>>24874987From twitter>At this point, I'm not ever surprised. Sorry guys, I'm cut off from posting apparently. It keeps saying I'm banned, but then says I'm fine
"Well, step one is nobody panics." I say, more calm than I feel. "Step two is clearing the house, making sure who or what opened the door is either non-hostile or gone.""So we split up?" Rin asks, and I shake my head."If it's Assassin, he can copy and replace people. Splitting up would be the worst possible thing to do at the moment." I respond calmly. "We search the house in pairs, and make sure we stay in sight of at least one other pair at all times."I get a series of nods, and I end up watching the Dojo with Ilya while Saber and Rin go one way, and Rider and Sakura go another. Apparently everyone else was too uncomfortable with the idea of staring at my corpse."So, Onii-chan. How are things with the other girls?"".... In what context?""In the 'why haven't you gotten laid yet' context." I blink and look at her with a measure of surprise. "What? You KNOW I'm not as young as I look.""I know. It's still kinda weird having someone who looks like a kid say that. Also you seem too.... -classy?- to say something like that."She smiles slightly. "Well, you are my brother. If I can't relax around you...." She sighs. "Anyway....""Well, Rin I think mostly just doesn't want to distract either of us. I think if I said anything she'd be willing. Saber..... she has a very fatalistic attitude. I don't think she'd be willing to even contemplate anything if I couldn't snap her out of that.""What about Rider and Sakura?""Rider has some kinda trust issues in the way, and Sakura...." I sigh."Sakura has problems." Ilya responds. "I overheard her from her nap earlier.""Nap?""Yeah, apparently she dreamed something and then asked Rider to use her dream magic to try and get rid of some weird impulse of hers."".... Really?"
>>24875049You are being a dick.Stop being a dick.
>>24875049That was yesterday mang
>>24875076"Yeah. I tried using my magic to figure out what she was talking about, but all I could manage without revealing my interest was intense arousal and extreme mind-shattering horror directed at herself.""...... Not a good sign." I say looking across the yard."I don't think it was Assassin." Ilya finally says."Really?""That smell Rider mentioned, I noticed it too. It's not quite brimstone, it's more like a burnt metal.""You recognize it?""It's kinda what you smelled like, at the Church when Archer turned on us." She answers. "Did you ever tell them about him?""... Rin knows. I'm fairly certain Saber knows too. I'm not sure about Sakura or Rider. Or our other allies, for that matter.""I don't think you should tell Sakura. She's a little too.... unbalanced to be trusted with that sort of knowledge." She sighs. "Since Caster's gone for the moment to parts unknown, we should contact Lancer to dispose of the body.""If I had a number, I would.""You can't think of another way?" She asks, disappointed as the others come back."Whoever it was, they're gone." Rin says with a sigh. "I'll work on the wards later to prevent this from happening again, but.....">Actions?
>>24875087>Actions?Contact Team Lancer.Look for a reasonably up-class but inexpensive hotel near the Mall.Call and ask about the cute foreign couple in the Honeymoon suite. Lancer is EXACTLY the type of troll for this to work.
>>24875087Oh lawd, so it was Archer that showed up, saw the corpse and NOPE'd
>>24875087Don't we have a number?Lancer called us, after all.
>>24875112Oh god.Oh god, do this. It might not work, but if it does.....
>>24875087Do we still have archers crest on our body? Could the burning / brimstone smell coming off be from archers crest on simulacrum body?
>>24875076>>24875087THE CONQUERING HERO RETURNS!>>24875112This sounds like a good plan.
>>24875079>>24875080>AC guy is back and says he didn't really have a firm grasp when his internet shat the bed>lemme guess - ac guys net died again?>I quote the twitter post where it says what happened to him>Then you two knuckleheadsStay classy failed education system
>>24875112Yea this sounds about right
>>24875087>"I'll work on the wards later to prevent this from happening again, but.....""But what, Rin?"Also, move the body to somewhere less conspicuous (workshop?) for future disposal. Contact Archer and infodump everything that transpired as well as the existence of fake Shirou bodies.Next, contact Lancer for the disposal of the simulacrum.Retarded Option: "I need to see if you guys (search team) aren't fakes too." Grope check.
>>24875087Dohoho.Wormslut likes the idea.Not really a big surprise.The next one will have her wearing a strap-on.
>>24875087Keep body in arms reach and carry when leaving a room. Give the number Lancer/Bazette gave us a ring.
"Alright." I say. "I'm going to call Lancer.""I thought you said you didn't know the number." Ilya asks."I don't, but I do have a terrible plan." I answer easily, as I begin to walk towards the house. Rin follows me, Saber apparently having taken my place at Ilya's side. I look around in the phone book for a minute, glance at the map to confirm my guess.There's a few minutes of ringing, when suddenly "Fuyuki Gardens Hotel. How may I help you?" A polite and serious voice asks."Can I please be connected to the Honeymoon Suite?" I inquire, putting on a somewhat distracted air. "My new friends seem to have left something behind with me.""Friends?" The voice returns. "I'm sorry, but they asked not to be disturbed unless it was important.""It's something of a.... personal item. I do have the right hotel? The cute Irish couple?""... Yes sir you do but-" There's a hesitation on the line "-hold on, I see the Mr you're asking about in the lobby now. Sir?" The voice is directed away from the phone for a moment, and all I can hear is some distant conversation. Then-"Hello?" Lancer's voice comes over the phone."Hey Lancer. I need to ask a favor, but you should probably act like Bazett left something embarrassing if you're in earshot of the Manager.""She left her what?" He asks with a not quite faked nervous laugh. "I see. And it's at your House?""Yeah, that would be for the best.""Alright then." He says. "I needed to run an errand anyway. I'll be right over." He hangs the phone up, and I turn to an exasperated Rin."How?" She says, merely staring at me uncomprehending."Spooky Magic." I respond with a slight finger waggling.".... So wild guesswork and blind luck?""That's pretty much how I do everything these days." I hesitate. "Which is slightly terrifying now that I think about it.">Anything you wanted to say/do before Lancer arrives?
>>24875901"Insane troll logic" and "we understand each other">mfwihnf when it actually worked.
I have to ask. Did you go with it because it's funny or did you ACTUALLY put them there?
>>24876046Well it *does* fit Lancer's established sense of humour.
>>24876046>No, that one guy guessed right when he said Lancer was exactly that kind of asshole.>If you waited to eavesdrop back at the Restaurant, it's what they were arguing about when you arrived.
>>24875901Drop Archer a message via Issei.
>>24876079"Don't panic, I'm not quite dead yet?"
>>24876132You're now envisioning Shirou simac coming back to life as it's being put into a cart to be wheeled off to Lancer for disposal in a monty python esque fashion
>>24876177That's a wonderful allegory for most of what's gone on in the quest.
>>24875901>Anything you wanted to say/do before Lancer arrives?"Right. Well, this body isn't gonna move itself (dun dun DUN), and I wouldn't want anyone else to freak out when they see this, so..."Proceed to stuff the body in the workshop or closet and clean up the dojo.Drop a voice message to Issei asking for Archer to make contact with Shirou later. Archer might think a letter would be a fake, and infodumping over voice mail might freak out Issei. Agree for a meet-up after Lancer disposes the simulacrum body.Then, begin the hunt (optionally alongside Archer) because it's Worm Season.Captcha: Snake shesbacOh yes indeed.
>>24876300No, We do NOT let the body out of our sight.
>>24876300I say we should just start digging a large pit in the courtyard.
>>24875901Grab body, carry it to Rider, and make a snarky joke about entrusting us to her so we can't run off.
I grab my cellphone and shoot a simple text off to Issei 'I'm not dead, I'll explain later' as we walk back out to the Dojo."Alright, since everyone else is kinda uncomfortable about it, I'm going to grab a spare rug out of the shed and wrap the body in it."".... Why?" Sakura asks, clearly uncomfortable with my attitude."Because I wanted to clean the Dojo and it's going to be in the way for that." I answer, scratching my neck "I mean, have you SEEN that? I'd like to take a crack at it before the blood's had a chance to dry completely."With that I move the body that's thankfully stopped leaking and placed it outside. I only get partway into the scrubbing when Lancer arrives."Hey kid, you say you needed a fa- sweet fuck, what happened?" He greets, violently changing gears as he gets a good look at the inside of the Dojo."Hey. You said you had magical fire that could destroy corpses?"".... Yes." He answers cautiously."Can you do the one wrapped in the rug over there?""I guess. Who's the stiff?""Me. Kinda."Lancer stops, giving me a confused look, before walking over to the rug and pulling it slightly open. He then gives me a stranger look and continues. "What.""Right, that wasn't the real me. Apparently, I was swapped for a fake me by Zouken recently.""How long?""At least most of the day, apparently. I've been with people this entire time." I respond.After confirming with myself and Ilya that there's no danger or loss in destroying the corpse, he does so. He then looks at me. "Anything else you need or want while I'm here?">?
>>24876675Did we tell him about the weird disappearing rune outside the Church? Cause we should.
>>24876675Ask him exactly what he saw at the church this afternoon.Tell him about Assassin being a scary motherfuckerTell him about the disappearing rune.Ask him how 'you two lovebirds' (implying him and Bazett) are doing.
>>24876675Ask him if he knows what would cause a rune to disappear and what relation could it have had to Kireis possible death.>Inb4 Kirei shoots us with a sniper rifle just as we're about to make our wish
Switching from >>24876726 to >>24876718
>>24876675Join us in killing Zouken and Assassin? We really don't want to give Zouken the opportunity to pull shit like this again....We are still on the "kill them until they die to death" path, right?
Rolled 10>>24876675Confirm Kirei was the one killed because since we know Assassin can create body doubles what are the chances this was all a convoluted way to give Kirei complete freedom of movement?
Also, get a phone number, properly.
"The runes have changed. Parts fading, one gone completely.""Really? Damn. I'll need to look into that, let you know what I find." Lancer responds with a frown."So exactly what did you see earlier today? With Kirei?""I saw him get stabbed a few times, then he torn his sling and most of his sleeve off and I saw that his entire arm was covered in command seals. A couple of them started glowing like he was going to do something with them, but then Assassin just started ripping him to pieces. I didn't see the actual kill, but I did see a lot of blood and a leg come out. It didn't smell fake either, not like that one did." He says with a gesture, motioning towards the spot where he burned my double."So, is it just me, or did that Assassin-""Give off scary vibes about fifty times worse than he should've?" Lancer nods, shaking his head. "Yeah, I noticed that too. Part of the reason I broke off instead of engaging.""So you just left Kirei to die?" Rin asks, seemingly equal parts confused and angry."My Master was watching what happened through my eyes. She told me to investigate and I did. She told me to get the hell out and I didn't argue." Lancer answers, arms folded. "I would've saved him if I could, but I'm pretty sure I would've died too." Suddenly, he frowns, looking at me. "How the hell did you find us, anyway?""I was inspired by your tracking skills demonstrated earlier, decided to give it a go.""Oh is that how you're going to play it?" Lancer asks with a smile."Unless the rules changed, that's how we've been doing it." I say.[ ] Tell him.[ ] Don't tell.
>>24876949Tell him, then ask if they've been putting the place to proper use. Realise too late that playing embarrassment chicken with Lancer is a bad idea.
>>24876949>[ ] Tell him.
>>24876949[ ] Tell him. and this >>24876983
>>24876983This seems like it will end in hilarity and possible Movements on the Harem front, which is something we need to deal with already. So yeah, it's got my vote.
>>24876983Seems about right.Should reassure him that this method of finding them wouldn't exactly work for someone who didn't have an amiable working relationship with the pair of them, so they don't have anything to worry about from our particular brand of tracking unless they've been getting buddy-buddy with Team Evil on the side.
>>24876983YES. THIS PLEASES XOM
"In all honesty, it wasn't that hard to figure out." I respond. "I know where the Pharmacy you mentioned was, and if you were walking through the mall as a shortcut there's only two hotels that direction in walking distance. Only one of them had a Honeymoon Suite.""What made you so sure about the Honeymoon Suite?""Because the two of you disguising yourself as a couple would allow for a reasonable degree of privacy and anonymity? Also, you would do it just to mess with her.""So what, you think I was planning something there?" He asks, planting one hand on his hip."I think you would do it even if you hated each other, just to get a rise out of her by acting all 'affectionate' in public using your disguise as an excuse."He snickers. "It was pretty funny seeing her reaction when I carried her in like a princess." He smiles, looking at me. "In all honesty though, I'm having less luck than you on the romantic front. Then again Four's hard to top. I think there's actually a score multiplier in there somewhere.""... I think you misunderstand something...." Rin says hesitantly off to my right while I stare disbelieving, realizing my mistake."Oh? Did I?" Lancer asks with a smile, grin becoming more predatory. "Then why is it that when I laid the accusation I got three blushes and one knowing grin?"Rin does a slight double-take and blushes harder. Judging by everyone else's reactions, they're too shocked to formulate a proper response. "H-hey, It's really not what you think....."
>>24877234"Really? Why not?" Lancer frowns, looking at her more curious than anything. "I mean, not that it's my business what you might be up to in here-""Yes. Exactly. None of your business." Rin cuts him off.".... That's exactly my point. The only people who's opinion matters would be yours. I mean, it's pretty obvious even to me, and I'm usually pretty terrible about this sort of thing. You just need to get over yourselves."He leaves a shocked crowd after leaving a reliable contact number, and Ilya drags me away from the main group before the awkward questioning can arise. "Thanks for the save.""Not altruism. We need to have a private chat disguised as a shopping trip."[ ] Agree.[ ] Disagree.
>>24877238Agree - sounds important
>>24877238We definitely need that talk.
>>24877238>[ ] Agree.
>>24877238[x]AgreeI'm a bit hesitant to leave without a Servant, but Illya looks like she really wants a private chat and Shirou can look after both of them, I think.
>>24877238[ ] Agree.We need best pillow to tell us what's up. Taking Rider is mandatory. Buddy system and all that.
>>24877238>[ ] AgreeBUT."How private are we talking about? Just the two of us? Because I don't know if they're going to buy the No Servant Shopping Trip proposal what with recent events.And I don't think trying to stubborn my way them letting it slide is going to work as well as usual after what I just let Lancer pull in there."
>>24877292>>24877326We can ask Ilya if it's alright to take rider with us. Tell her that she's a bro and that we can't violate the buddy system
>>24877300I actually feel safer knowing that there are TWO servants at the house with the others. Saber and Rider probably won't be able to deal with Assassin (or Gil, or any other enemy servant) in a one-on-one fight.
>>24877238>[ ] Agree.But have Rin or Ilya put some kind of magical tracking device on Shirou.
>>24877340And then assassin shows up when Zouken scrys that we're out in the open with the blood samples he has. And then it's the noncom Ilya & shirou versus a servant with a NP. You really want to open up that can of worms?
>>24877562>Zouken>can of wormshehehe
>>24877609>>24877562Shirou sounds like the perfect sort of can opener for that can of worms.
"Just the two of us? I'm not sure we could get away with it given what I just let Lancer pull.""I was waiting for a distraction like that actually." She responds, tugging at my sleeve. "If we're quick about it, we can be there and back before they even realize.""Alright, but what if we're attacked?""We're going to be in public places, sticking with decently crowded areas." She answers, slipping on her boots. "Come on."I finally stop resisting, following her as we walk along. "So what is it you needed to talk about?""A couple of things." She says, looking back at me. "First of all, when was the last time you ate?""... I had a burger when I was out with Saber.""Did you?" She asks, and then turns away. "There's something that you need to know, something I haven't shared with the others. I'm not sure you should either, but you need to know.""And that is?""Your magic is weird."I stop walking. "... You had us sneak out of the house so that you could tell me the blatantly obvious?""No. I need to tell you about why your magic is weird." She says, continuing to walk. After a few steps I resume following. "The first time I examined you doing magic, you weren't using your circuits. You were using your nerves as artificial circuits, which is terrifyingly dangerous. A tiny misstep could leave you permanently crippled. Then, you awoke your magic Circuits, and started projecting. Then you woke up different circuits, and started doing... other things.""How is that weird?""Well for one, the circuits are developing much more rapidly than they should be. It's almost like scheduling puberty to happen one afternoon and be done with. There's a process there, a process you seem to be skipping over." She frowns looking at me. "Then there's the circuits themselves.""Beyond the growth?""You have two sets of circuits that do different magic.""....So?""That's like being born with two hearts. Magic isn't divided in a person like that. Or, it shouldn't be."
>>24877691"So what does that mean for me?""Are you at all hungry?""... No, not really. Lunch wasn't that long ago.""You didn't eat lunch.""... Yes I did, Saber and I-""You've been locked in the church all day, remember? Or are you claiming you aren't hungry because your doppelganger had a snack?"I stop walking, and this time so does she. ".... What are you saying?""Honestly, I'm not entirely sure." She says, tilting her head with a frown. "I don't need to eat, at least not as much. Then again, I'm not technically human. Servants don't need food either, but they're all ghosts of some stripe." She smile as a wave of nausea washes over me. "Hey, I already told you. You're at least as human as I am." She grabs my hand and squeezes gently. "No matter what happens, you're still my brother yeah?"".... Yeah.""Alright then." She turns and begins walking, pulling me along at first. "Now, you've got your women troubles....."".... After that revelation, that's what you want to talk about?""I was trying to distract you from the existential crisis with pretty girls, yes." She sighs. "I don't think you should push anything after Lancer's reveal. Let them sort it out.""That was the plan we had." I answer.".... Plan?"
>>24877698"Lancer proposed doing pretty much exactly that, although nicer, to me on the side when I talked to him the other day." I reply, looking at her. "Rider was also apparently testing the waters for something like that for her own reasons.""... You were actually plotting to get them all this whole time?" Ilya says shocked. "I'm honestly not sure if I should be worried or giving you a high-five.""My intention wasn't to seduce them, I just realized I had accidentally created something of a house of cards founded on sexual tension for the alliance. I wanted to defuse that time-bomb before it got someone killed, and using other people to settle the issue without making me look evil...."Ilya smiles. "I'm glad Dad rubbed off on you.""Why, did he have women problems?""I meant that you want to do the right thing, and you aren't afraid to play dirty when you have to." She laughs. "Seriously though, are all of your jokes this self depreciative?""Only the funny ones." I say, and she laughs. "What?""Just remembering what I said. You're a good man, but you're a damn sight from honest." She smiles up at me wider than I remember her ever smiling before. "That's alright though, because honest men are boring.">Anything you want to say/ask while you're walking to the store?
>>24877698Tell little sister about the dream sakura had.That it was all shirou and Rider.
>>24877703"Don't take after your brother, he's a bad influence."
Ilya... What was 'mom' like? Did dad have multiple women too?
>>24877703Ask about Iri.We don't exactly know shit about her.
Give little sister a hug.Best sister ever.
>>24877703>"You have two sets of circuits that do different magic."Ask if Magic Circuits, Magic Crests, and Command Seals are separate prana containers from one another and if one can do different magic with each of them.Factor in implanting those to fake bodies and see where this conversation goes.
>>24877827>Actually, I thought I should mention it while I had the chance: You still have the crest.>There seems to be confusion over this point, so I thought I'd say it before I forgot.
>>24877703Ask he if it's possible to prolong her life by transferring her into another homonuculus/simac body since she isn't exactly sitting well on the long life front.Doesn't she die 5 mo after one of the endings she lives to in fsn?
>>24877863>It's more like a couple of years actually.
>>24877863Merlins working on it.
>>24877863Ending, singular. She karks it in UBW and HF.
>>24877880Ah found it>http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Illyasviel_von_Einzbern>Fate route>However, according to Archer, she has less than a year to live due to being an Einzbern homunculi. ;_;>>24877908?
So...>Insta-awakened circuits, just add fire>Bonus circuits, because (different) magic.>Not (entirely) human, which we kinda knew.> [X] Insert crackpot theory here using knowledge that Shirou does not possess."My secondary circuits belong to a planet terminal and they let me fuck with magic for fun and profit instead of granting wishes."
>>24877928Voting for this
Does she have any advice on Saber? I get the feeling she'll be the hardest to get into the harem.
>>24877728"Well, I'd say that plan backfired pretty dramatically then. She seemed legitimately terrified about something.">>24877769>>24877798"He had an assistant I never met, I'm pretty sure whatever they had wasn't romantic though. Mom was... Well, she was my Mother." She looks away, thinking. "I got a little bit of her memories because of the way homunculi work. From what I've seen there and what I remember she was extremely kind and caring. She was also a bit too gentle to be the sort of combative vicious bastard Dad was.""Strong language.""I'm not saying he was in the wrong, but he could be pretty evil when the situation called for it." She responds easily. "Anyway, I think you'd have liked her. She was.... sweet, really." She smiles a little sadly. "I think she would've approved of your plan. Not because of the multiple women, but the implied legion of Grandchildren to spoil.""Heh.">>24877729She give me an odd look, and then laughs rather hard, to the point where I almost have to support her.>>24877928>If Shirou doesn't possess the knowledge, I'm not letting you go there.>I know Shirou doesn't have that knowledge, because I'm not entirely sure what you're on about.>>24877962"Honestly, Onii-chan? You have a better handle on that than I would.
>>24877999Start randomly dancing
>>24877960I'm pretty sure Shirou doesn't know what a planet terminal is, as the only one that Nasu ever mentioned is the 20th DAA, and I don't think Kirei told us anything about each specific DAA.>>24877999I should have said I was joking when I posted that, and I was referring to http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Merem_Solomon
>>24877999Buy her ice cream and let her ride on Shirou's shoulders.
>>24878019Why?>>24877999"Terrified? Well I guess this s a good time to mention something that Zouken said before I escaped."Tell her about the 'prize' and the possibility about Sakura being the most likely suspect.Theres this thing about True Assassin consuming parts of other dead servants to absorb their abilities/intelligence.Could he have consumed what was left of broserker before he dissipated?
>>24877999Go get Ice cream with Ilya, then pick up the groceries to make everyone's favorite meal, and grab the movie & book copy of the princess diaries that we never got around to. Get a variety of buns for Saber. Stop by bike shop on the way back and see if they can get the manager to go on a payment plan for the bike chain. Ask sakura for help cooking for bonding time. In-home datenight go!
>>24877999>Not because of the multiple women, but the implied legion of Grandchildren to spoil."Hnnnng. Damnit AC-Guy I could have died!
>>24877999Tell her about Zouken and his little plot to break up the alliance. And how we kinda suspect Sakura, but that we're not sure how to handle her just yet.Also let her ride on our shoulders and tell her she's the best little/older sister anyone could wish for. Then suggest getting ice cream.
>>24877999"Is there any chance that Assassin is actually Cain?Also, loads of command seals, how does that happen and would would it do?Also, Zouken might be blackmailing someone. A female someone. Or maybe he knew I was awake and is fucking with me."
>>24878160>>24878043Do both of these
If Rider's gorgon eyes ever come up and we pass our MR check we are so using this line.
>>24877999"Do simac bodies normally have a fast healing rate?"Chalk it up to additional magic weirdness if Ilya replies in the negative.
>>24878254There was that time after we (saber really) busted our back and she did a scan of us.Our body was connected to the simac. "Something piercing two bodies" or something similar. At that time we thought it might have been avenger but probably it was the connector.
>>24878082Dancing obviously increases badassery
>>24878227The Mystic Eyes of Petrification completely bypass Magic Resist. The extent to which they affect you is only changed by Mana. Anything below A rank is pretty much fucked.I'm pretty sure we don't have A rank Mana. Ilya or Rin, MAYBE. But not us.
>>24878082>>24878160"Sakura's the most likely suspect, but I'm not sure what it is he might be bribing her with." She frowns. "Or what he thinks would hurt us. I don't think she'd do anything that would hurt you, even indirectly. More concerning is what he might have over her. I'd suggest it was you, but she didn't know you were gone....""It couldn't be Cain. He was.... special, in a way. There couldn't be more than one of him, and if Assassin DID kill him and take the knowledge.... I mean, he would be dead. Therefore he would be in the Grail."".... Like Kirei had? It might just be whatever was left over from previous Grail Wars. As for what they could do... They're like a Tiny miracle connected to the Grail. In theory if you had the knowledge and a connection to the Grail, you could do almost anything. Granted, they would be most effective directly concerning a Servant....">>24878254"Not particularly. If anything, they'd heal worse than normal.""Really?""It's like a Puppet. It might be repaired, but it wouldn't have an easy time fixing itself.">>24878100>>24878043>>24878143We grab groceries and return home, with Ilya riding on my shoulders when I hear a voice behind me. "... Shirou?"I turn around, to greet the mystery person. "Oh, hi Ayako.""Hey." She frowns slightly, looking at Ilya. "Who's this?""That's Ilya, she's my sister.""I didn't know you had a sister.""I didn't, so I stole one." I tell her with a smile. "Best decision ever.""He's the bestest Brother!" Ilya declares from her perch. "He buys me ice-cream, let's me stay up late, and I get to watch all the R rated movies I want!"Ayako stares at me in silence for several seconds, processing. ".... Alright, I want to believe you're joking but...." She takes a moment, clearly struggling with the question. "Did you REALLY steal a child?"
>>24878424"No, no." I say laughing. "She's my Dad's biological Daughter. We just happened to meet recently.""Oh." She frowns. "This is one of THOSE things then?""Kinda, yeah." I answer more seriously."Alright, I won't pry too much then." She then smiles at Ilya. "Nice to meet you, Ilya.""You're not trying to seduce my brother, are you?" Ilya asks, entirely too serious. "He's already having to beat them away with a stick.""Not literally." I clarify."Really now?" She asks with a smile. "And when exactly did you become a ladies man?""I have no idea. I wish I knew it was happening, because I was and remain completely unprepared.""Sounds about right." She hesitates before smiling again. "I should probably head home. Club stuff is over, and my parents have been a bit... protective since I was attacked." She turns, waving goodbye as she walks away."Huh." Ilya and I say together, though I'm not sure we were thinking the same thoughts.>Actions?
>>24878431Let's get home before someone notices we're missing or Gil starts shooting swords at us or Assassin shanks us or something.
>>24878431Bring her up to speed and get a copy of the movie princess diaries as a peace offering. Get a copy of the novel too and wrap it up nice for Rider as a thank you gift for everything she does for us.
>>24878431What...What is this bittersweet feeling.Curse you AC-Guy. I didn't need feels today.
>>24878484Ayako just left, but I second getting the book and movie versions of The Princess Bride for Rider.
>>24878534>"Huh." Ilya and I say together, though I'm not sure we were thinking the same thoughts.Did we get Ilya aboard the Ayako vamp attack train?
>>24878561Oh that. No, I don't think so.I thought you meant update Ayako on the grail war, sorry.
>>24878534No, no you got it somewhat wrong. We get a nice hardcover version for Rider. Put it in a giftbox and wrap it up nice. The movie is for everyone to watch while they eat their favorite meals.
>>24878431Alright, I dunno if Ilya wants a responsible big sis character to go along with the fun big sis that Shirou has.>Actions?Home and cooking. Sneak in a bit of Sakura time here.
>>24878484I hope you guys remember that Merlin looked at the future and saw Ayako happy some years down the line.Also mentioned to stop involving outsiders.I know she's got peripheral knowledge, but there's no need to update her on how the Grail War has been going as, all things willing, her involvement in it is basically over, and dragging her back in jeopardizes her safety unnecessarily.And for what it's worth, next time we run into Archer, trying to flesh out a way to contact him without requiring Issei as a medium seems like a reasonable idea for similar reasons.>>24878629>Sneak in a bit of Sakura time here.We're gonna need a lot more than "a bit" of Sakura time to work things out, but I'd imagine we're reaching the point where it's probably going to be taken care of in the next thread, so there'll be plenty of time to work with.First thing when we get back, I think, is to see what kind of mental process the whole group has been going through while we were out, (including potential freakout mitigation from all parties, for various reasons. Rin, at the very least, is probably going to be irritated that we ran off without telling anyone yet again), and whether Rider had dropped suggestions as were discussed.And if so, what kind of responses were there to said suggestions.
My votes in for check on getting the bike chain ordered so we have a fast escape method & gift, novel PBride for Rider, Movie PBride to entertain angry household we just snuck out of during a paranoiaocolypse, and when we get back have sakura help us cook everyones favorite meal.
>>24878714>Ayako walks away.>"Huh." Ilya and I say together, though I'm not sure we were thinking the same thoughts.>Did we get Ilya aboard the Ayako vamp attack train?
Page 9 and feelin' fine.
New thread when AC-Guy?
>>24878431Wait... Parents? As in Plural? Didn't we stay at Ayako's place to cook food for her sick mom because she doesn't have a dad / he isn't around / or something? Would someone with more Ayako knowledge check up on that for me, please?
>>24878747Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.I went through and double-checked whether Ayako had ever met Ilya before, and she hadn't so at least THAT checks out.Paranoia is hard, guys.
>>24878431POW! right in the feels.Ah well, she isn't being assaulted by supernatural baddies, so as much as it pains me lets let Ayako go on her merry way and head home.I wonder if the house has descended into open warfare yet?
We return home rather quickly after that, and put things away in the kitchen. after a few minutes work, Rider approaches. "Do you have a minute to talk?""Sure?" I respond, looking at her over the groceries."Privately?" Ilya grabs the hint and runs with it, all the way to her room. "Not sure the plan worked.""What plan?""The Dream thing. Sakura took a brief nap earlier today, and I took the chance to put... 'happy' thought in like you suggested."".... And?""She didn't resist. In fact, she took the scenario a little further than I thought." She coughs. "Actually a lot further. But then in the Hypothetical afterglow, she suddenly wakes up and starts crying. Then she finds me, apparently completely unaware of my role in things and starts begging me to 'use my dream powers' to 'brainwash the slut out of her'."".... Huh.""Yeah. I think maybe she's worse than we thought. Or maybe messed up in a different way." She sighs. "Honestly, we probably should've realized this. Apparently she was.... abused.... so she'd probably have a warped view on that sort of thing, remembering the painful and embarrassing side of things."".... In retrospect, yeah, that seems kinda dumb of us.""To be fair, I didn't expect my suggestion of 'maybe share' to turn to something so... lewd." She frowns again. "Actually, that implies an entirely different set of terrifying possibilities. I think maybe the Lancer thing happened too soon.""... You say that like it was planned.""After we already talked about something similar? Besides, you were just a little too composed." she smiles. "Don't worry, the others were a little too worried about the implications to notice."I suddenly remember Lancer saying there was one smile. ".... So you're not at all concerned?"
>>24878766I am awaiting the stares of accusations/doom when the girls start trading news and find out shirou has been putting the moves on all the girls today.And then the inevitable "But he didn;t do anything to meee" from sakura.
>>24878782"I'd be more upset if you were obviously going after me." She jokes, and then hesitates sensing the sudden tension. "Sorry. I'm not.... I'm not quite ready to commit yet." She sighs. "Sakura gave me something of a pass to talk to her about uncomfortable things, so I'm going to try and repair damage there. Just be there for her in case she needs someone that isn't me to talk to.""Of course." I respond. "What about you then?"She hesitates, looking away and crossing her arms. "I'm not saying no, but.... it's asking a lot. I want to believe and accept but....." Se bites her lip. "I don't know. I guess I just need something to convince me to take that leap of faith.""Like what?"".... I wish I knew." She answers with a sad smile. "At the very least, I think I can help Sakura. Maybe it's not perfect, but it's something I could live with and be proud of." She turns back to me. "Baby steps, right?"She and walks away. With time until dinner, I-[ ] Go talk to Rin.[ ] Go talk to Saber.[ ] Go see if Caster's available.[ ] Other.>You guys couldn't afford the bike-chain with what was left in your 'discretionary funds'. That's why I'm ignoring the requests, just a heads up.
>>24878766I find it hilarious that variations of 'right in the emotions' caught on, since AC-Guy's was the asshole who ruined every dramatic moment by yelling it in the past.
>>24878788>[ ] Go talk to Saber.
>>24878788>You guys couldn't afford the bike-chain with what was left in your 'discretionary funds'. That's why I'm ignoring the requests, just a heads up.Not even with the cash Kiritugu left behind?Perhaps we should ask a loan from Fujimura Don, then.
>>24878788Other start dancing
>>24878788>[ ] Go see if Caster's available.Bring Saber along and retry the Servant Contract.
>>24878788>[ ] Go see if Caster's available.Honestly, though. I'd want to go to Sakura but I think Rider will have that first shot.
>>24878730>>24878738>Yeah, no new thread right away, maybe not even for a couple of days.>This next one will probably be my last post.>>24878813>You left that behind because it was all forign and therefore suspect for you to gain suddenly, and you want to take a loan from the mob?>Really?
>>24878825He counts us as family, right?His interest rates shouldnt be too bad.
>>24878788Try to mooch some money off of Ilya and then Rin if that fails for the bike chain and promise we'll work hard to pay her back after everything settles down. We need it operational if for nothing else than putting the noncoms on it and getting then out of the country if shit gets bad. Then grab Saber and Caster and try to redo the contract.She can afford buckets of ENERLOOP batteries and it's only something like 100-200 units of dosh>>24878813>>24878843We were asked not to get the Raiga into the war man!
>>24878747Went back and checked. Ayako's mother was sick; Ayako was out getting medicine, mentioned she was taking care of her until her fever broke. We did, indeed, cook for the two of them.No mention of a dad, but that doesn't rule out that he's still around but just wasn't there that day.>>24878788>SaberI kind of want to make sure she knows that we were still in our right mind during Doppelshirou's Day Out.But maybe jokingly suggest that we could still owe her another day out on the town since there's probably a rule somewhere that says simulacrum dates are null and void.No matter how she reacts to this it's a good litmus test. If she gets flustered and says that she had a good time, that's good. If she expresses interest in further Shirou outings, that's good.If she says "No thanks." totally deadpan, we know we've got some work to do.
>>24878819>>24878823Talking to Saber serves this purpose as well, since presumably she would be up to date on Caster's progress in setting up her new atelier, and thus how close we are to the geas wearing off.Not to say we shouldn't talk to Caster ever, since we should probably make sure that the good will we've cultivated with those two lovebirds isn't deteriorating due to lack of contact.
>>24878788[x] Go talk to SaberCONTRACT.
>Got a tie between Caster and Saber ATM, someone mind breaking that?>>24878870>Ayako's dad is still around, he just works.
>>24878902>Or that works. Typing.
>>24878843>Borrowing from the mob.>mfw...Although considering it's Raiga, we could just offer to fix a few of his bikes for free at a later date and call it even.
>>24878910Caster.We need to get our contract on with Saber, but we can't do it while she's contracted with Caster, and suddenly breaking that contract without informing Caster that its happening would be rude at best.
>>24878921Looks like Saber has it.We can always bring her with us to find Caster after we have a quick private chat,
>>24878825So... What if we went back to the storage unit with Saber and Rider, loaded those foreign beauties down with foreign dosh, and have them go to a bank and exchange them superfluous bills into yen? That way, it doesn't look like we had a windfall - it looks like our house guests are pitching in for the household expenses. Also, if we did call Raiga and mention Shirou was given a second hand motorcycle, the man might just as him what he needs to get it up and running - Shirou's been fixing Raiga's bike for spare cash.
>>24878931We could ask taiga to help us ask.
>>24878948Or, we could not beg for money like a hobo.
>>24878957Or we could ask bestsister to loan us some dosh and we'll pay her back after the war has settled down
>>24878918>...Although considering it's Raiga, we could just offer to fix a few of his bikes for free at a later date and call it even."FUJIMURA-SAMA.""I thought I said I was not to be disturbed.""...FORGIVE ME, SIR!""Well, out with it. What's so important that you had to interrupt this meeting?""IS THE EMIYA BOY SUPPOSED TO BE ON FIRE?""...What."
>>24878975Does she even have access to the finances?Her maids would probably, though. HMMMM.
>>24878982>>24878975..are you seriously considering bumming money off of our little sister to buy horribly expensive performance bike parts so we have a slightly better shot at getting with Rider?
>>24878982>yfw you realize the 'heavy object' in Lyserret's purse during the failed Kidnap Shirou mission was, in fact, solid gold bars.
Well, it's 8 AM in my timezone and I'm falling asleep.Try not to get us killed in next the post or two remaining in the thread. /tg/ dice will always find a way to off us.
>>24879025No.For improved combat performance.Think of Saber on the bike in Fate/Zero
I go find Saber, and see her sitting on the porch, petting Bedivere. She smiles when she sees me. "Shirou.""Hey." I say sitting next to her."... So that was the fake I spent the day with?""Fake body, yeah. It was still me though." I smile "But if that doesn't count or something we could have another outing to make up for it."She looks at me surprised, and then starts laughing gently. "Why? Like you said, it was you. It's not like it was a planned date or something, we just ended up getting sidetracked while searching for a meal." She smiles. "I appreciate the gesture though."We sit there in silence for a few moments, when suddenly she turns to me. "So why is Lancer so convinced that you're romantically involved with the entire household? First he accused us of being on a date earlier, and then he came here.....""I think part of it was payback for my ribbing him. Also, we went and got food, hit an arcade and then went shopping. That's pretty much an entire 'date' even if that wasn't really the original intent for either of us."".....Oh really now?" She says, frowning at me."I'm not saying that's what it was. I'm saying that I could see why he thought that." I frown. "Are you really that opposed to the idea? I mean, I wouldn't want to force you into something you didn't want-""It's not that." She looks away. "I don't doubt that I would enjoy it, being here, staying with you but...." She sighs. "It's just not an option. It won't work. I'm not like Rider or Caster, I HAVE to go back. I couldn't even use my wish to stay here if I wanted to squander it like that." She frowns, looking back at me. "I just..... I don't want to do something like that and throw it away. If it can't be for real I'd rather not do it at all.""..... That's rather bleak.""Perhaps. But I don't want to do something foolish like fall in love KNOWING it can't work out." She stares at me for a long moment like she wants to say something else, before she suddenly changes the topic.
>>24879064"By the way, I overheard the most odd conversation earlier.""Oh?""Souichirou asked Caster if she was a princess of some kind. She told him 'yes' rather confused, and he said 'That's probably it then' before walking away. Do you have any idea what that was about?">And I'm out. Later, /tg/.
>>24879049...right, ebook will be updated sometime tomorrow. I knew there was a point I was going to make there.Polite, but pointless, sage within autosage for posting again.
>Before I go, someone mind refreshing the Archive?>>24879068>At least you caught the end.
>>24879067Ahaha Souichibro what are you doing.
>>24879025>Let's not get a sports bike operational for the two servants with excellent riding skills because we're stingy.>Let's not have a non-NP mount for RIDERSeriously man? We're in a war for all the marbles and you want to not get the bike operational because you're worried about asking the incredibly rich Einzbern bestsister to loan us some dosh until we can pay her back???>>24879077Any rough ballpark idea when the next thread will be?
>>24879067>Souichirou asked Caster if she was a princess of some kind. She told him 'yes' rather confused, and he said 'That's probably it then' before walking away.SOUICHIBROYOU AREN'T HELPINGJESUS CHRIST MAN, GET WITH THE GODDAMN PROGRAM
>>24879077Oh, well in that case, what's another half hour to update it?
>>24879102>Get your sleep.
>>24879067Souichirou has reached Natsuru levels of density.At this rate, the city will be sucked into a singularity.
>>24879114>>24879091>>24879082>"That's- Listen. You know the sleeping beauty story, right?">"Vaguely." He responds. "Something about a needle and a Prince.">"Yeah. Well apparently Avenger can do curse stuff like I do swords or something, and he basically put that curse on you.">"..... And I was cured.">"YES.">"..... So where did a prince-">"Not a Prince, love. Love was the key here." I hesitate. "Though I suppose Caster could also be some sort of Princess or something. I'm not entirely sure who she is.">Souichiro stares at me, and then back to the TV contemplative. "You think Caster may have developed feelings for me?" He pauses, deep in thought as he watches the news. "Well, it would certainly explain some things. I'll need to look into it."Does anyone get the feeling he's doing this deliberately troll us?
>>24879139Shochirouuuuuu....I think we need to tell caster to just out and tell him herself... goddamnit.
>>24879025I'm sure Ilya would gladly help us with this. for an undisclosed price to be paid later
So, question.How was it that Saber stuck around at the end of UBW it was UBW Good End right? The Rin's Harem end? if the prospect of her sticking around is supposedly IMPOSSIBRU, DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT MAGIC WAIFU?Is she just flat out WRONG, and we just haven't figured out IC that she's wrong? Or am I missing something?
>>24879172She hasn't been overwhelmed by feels yet. If she was Rin we'd have it in the bag but she isn't and we don't.
>>24879172Shes worried about causing a time paradox
>>24879107I will now, the converter decided to cooperate with me today.Link: http://pastebin.com/kbGzcbDb
>>24879172She has to return to Camlann. So while she can stay here under a contract, she won't grow old because her body is in stasis. And then she'll STILL have to go back there eventually, to die, alone, on a hill.
>>24879172She didn't get the grail and thus was not forced back to her pwn time to die
>>24879211Unless whatever plan Merlin is working on comes through, that is.Not that Merlin is the most reliable co-conspirator, but considering the stakes, odds are pretty good he's not going to be fucking around.
>>24879067Souichiro-Sensei, you *Stupid* motherfucker.
>>24879172The whole deal then was if you got enough Sabre points, Sabre would be affected by Shirou's rejection of Archer's fatalism - which she found mirrored in their shared desire to undo their pasts.In which case, after nuking the Shinjiblob, instead of resigning herself to disappearing and continuing her endless attempts to undo her time as king, she resolved to accept the past, move forward and find a new reason to go on - one not bound to her time as Arturia/Altria or the Grail Quest.Basically, we need to make her realise she and Archer are doing the same dumb shit and absolutely slap Archer down UBW-affirmation-of-superheroism-style so hard she decides the future is more important than changing the past.
>>24879416This. Also let Sakura know that she's really not that much of a slut, and that we really don't mind. Shirou is way more lewd than her.
>>24879416Ok, thats what I thought. Its not that she CAN'T stay, its that she WON'T stay because she's convinced herself that she doesn't have a choice.