Welcome to the eighteenth episode of A Game of Thrones – The Quest of House Harrock.Previously: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/25568016/All Previous Threads: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=HarrockIn this quest, the year is 284AL and it is eight months after Robert Baratheon was crowned king. You are Lord Artys “Hangman” Harrock, thirty-eight years old and the head of House Harrock, sworn to House Arryn of the Mountain and Vale. You are a solemn and quiet man devoted to your family and there is nothing that matters more to you than your blood. You seek to elevate your house from its decrepit state, to provide a future for your children however you can. With a head for numbers, a good sword-hand and an exotic Valyrian yataghan named 'Ambition,' you shall bring prosperity and hope to High Harrock.During the second half of the last episode, you received many ravens from many sources. From House Saul to House Waynwood, from House Royce to House Frey, all interested in the hands of your wife and son in either betrothal or marriage. Even now you are pondering over the choices laid out before you. In addition to this you saw two of your retainer Royter's grandsons become squires beneath Ser Banton and your son, Ser Brock. Hopefully your boy will be able to manage the responsibility. Finally, your spy has made a few unsettling discoveries. Your neighbour's sworn sword is creating a vast militia at the cost of productivity, and for little good reason. You suspect a coup.Is anyone interested in continuing?
>>25624200>Is anyone interested in continuing?As always, Plasma.Until the last ridge!
Lets harrock & roll
>>25624200>>25624207Also, should I archive the thread now? Just because, apparently, there have been a couple of people going around mis-archiving things, and I don't want that to happen with this quest.What sort of stuff are we going to be starting with? Then I can at least do a description for the first bit.
As this rule continues to enforce order and removes any discussion of tripcodes, I'll maintain it until the moment it stops being useful.>Anyone who posts with a tripcode or a name will be ignored. If you wish for your contributions to the quest to be read, then you will post anonymously.I'd also like to propose a new guideline. Not necessarily a rule but it'll make this quest more pleasant to read and to participate in.>Please refrain from offering any praise or comments on how the quest is being run until after the quest has ended.A large amount of people are tired of reading “Plasma, you are awesome.” I am one of them. The fact that you're participating is enough praise in my mind. Over-saturation of compliments is transforming this quest into a circlejerk and that's the last thing I want.In addition, Page has started up his own Game of Thrones quest again. I suggest you read the adventures of Lord William Bordain for yourself. It predates the Quest of House Harrock and to be frank, if you like this quest, then you'll love Page's take on GoT. It takes place every Saturday, starting at roughly 9PM EST.>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Iron%20and%20Hate%20QuestFinally, a new rule. Never again shall you find House Harrock Quest on Fridays. This is strictly a once-a-week quest thread now, if that.
>Is anyone interested in continuing?i will commit vague yet grave acts of sexual misconduct upon your person if you don't continue.
>>25624239>Finally, a new rule. Never again shall you find House Harrock Quest on Fridays. This is strictly a once-a-week quest thread now, if that.Why?
>>25624239>no more Friday sessionsThat's a shame, but one session a week is better than none. I take it it'll only be running on Mondays then?
Hey Plasma, I'm in.And I have a proposition. After we get the marriage thing settled (quickly, I hope), maybe we can enforce law in the village growing under us. We could talk to the villagers and see if they have any problems that we could solve.
DONT FORGET TO SEND BRONZE YOHN BROCKS MEASUREMENTSHe needs that plate
>>25624386People have completely forgotten this.>Implying that Bronze Cunt is going to swindle our son out of armorI'll start a war over this insult.
Where have you gone, Plasma?
Sweet, it's the best part of the day!
>>25624226Your choice. If you do archive, we'll likely be handling the selection of your future in-laws and also the maintenance of the House at the end of the month.>>25624259please no>>25624260>>25624262Work and family take precedent over everything else. Mondays only.A collection of important characters for those who need to catch up.>UPDATED ON 24/06/13, CONTAINS HOUSE STATISTICS AS WELL.>http://pastebin.com/RHcYjHYC
Westpass. This is your land, your territory, your home. It's a harsh and unforgiving place, sparsely populated by evergreens and hardy shrubs. It's a steep valley filled with sudden falls, treacherous cliffs and unexpected gutters and furrows. Anyone who lives in this part of the Vale of Arryn quickly learns to walk softly and with great care.Splitting Westpass in half is a great river just as unimaginatively named, the Westflow. Born from a great sheet of water that descends from the mountains, the small stream quickly transforms into a great raging current, with many muddy little rills and brooks contributing to its size. Despite the dangerous pace at which it flows, there are a few safe places where the river can be forded.Clinging to the mountains on either side of the Westflow, the road for which the region is named winds and bends, a well-worn path of gravel and dirt that it is your duty to protect and maintain. One of the few routes in and out of the Vale, many merchants use the Westpass for their trade routes for a certain fee. To the North, the road leads to Strongsong. To the East, the road leads to Crown Crag.Finally, there are the great structures of Westpass. The hub of civilisation is High Harrock, a grim and foreboding structure that brings comfort to the inhabitants of the region as the sole provider of protection, boasting an iron mine and great solid stone walls. Then there are the two towers that guard it; Skycliff built amongst the peaks and Wetrock built upon a solid stone foundation beside the Westflow.But what about the people who live here? There are a few thousand smallfolk scattered throughout the land, in huts and hovels that dot the rocky landscape. It's a hard life but honest life, where they harvest and farm what they can, whenever they can. Some keep herds of hardy mountain goats for their meat and milk, while others farm lettuces, berries and edible ferns.This is your land and these are your people. Treat them well.
Someone repost the marriage proposals. I think it was agreed upon that we would turn down Frey and Corbray
>>25624499>Work and family take precedent over everything else. Mondays only.That's cool, I can relate. Means I can start going out drinking on Friday nights again now!
>>25624499And archived pre-emptively. I'll make sure to update it as we go.Just didn't want anti-quest fags fucking stuff up.
>>25624518>>25624499>>25624239>>25624200>MONTH 3, DAY 23You are still poring over the many proposals of marriage and betrothal that you have been sent, trying to choose which ones to eliminate and which ones to pursue. It's quite a difficult choice but you have a few ideas. You spend a moment browsing through the proposals again:>If Lorenna Egen marries Brock, no wealth switches hands. Lorenna Egen is an attractive half-Braavosi girl with strange behaviour.>If Kyra Frey marries Brock, no wealth switches hands. According to the son of Lord Walder Frey, she's a pleasant girl.>If Carolei Waynwood marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. Apparently she's extremely sharp and intelligent - and comes from an old family.>NEW: If Eyra Hunter marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. A more martial woman, a skilled archer as are the rest of her family.>NEW: If Myranda Royce (of the Gates of the Moon) marries Brock, you receive 3 Wealth in dowry. A pleasantly plump woman - perhaps Brock would enjoy a woman who shares his weight?>If Alber Egen marries Katrin, no wealth switches hands. A weedy, excitable boy who speaks little of the Common Tongue.>If Walton Frey marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. According to the Freys, a most honourable and righteous fellow.>If Robar Royce marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 5 Wealth. Honourable, intelligent, the perfect knight and the perfect man.>If Donnel Waynwood marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. A rather quiet fellow who seems to enjoy being out of the way.>If Alesandor Saul marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 2 Wealth. Keen, intelligent, ever watchful. A cool and collected lord with a vast mind and a potential ally.>NEW: If Lucas Corbray marries Katrin, you must pay a dowry of 3 Wealth. The third Corbray brother. If Lyonel is the leader and Lyn is the soldier, then Lucas is the spy and the sneak.
>>25624642You had a few plans in mind. These plans were:>Invite Lorenna to stay at House Harrock to stay and to get to know her better.>Deny Kyra.>Invite Carolei to get a better grasp of the woman and who she is.>Deny Eyra.>Deny Royce.>Deny Alber.>Deny Walton.>invite Robar Royce over to stay so that you can get to know the lad, see if he is as good as Yohn claims.>Deny Donnel.>Deny Alesandor.>Deny Lucas.>Also send off Brock's measurements to Bronze Yohn, as asked.Do you wish to change any of these plans?
>>25624642>>25624693>And every deal can be negotiated, if you so desire.
>>25624693I would ask for Donnel to be added back onto the list. We could really use the influence and it won't be likely Carolei and Brock will get along
>>25624693Corollary to Lorenna- push Egen for a dowry
>>25624499We really need to increase defense and lands
>>25624732I feel like this is a good course of action, so that we don't burn all of our bridges if Robar turns out shitty.
>>25624642Hmm...I think we had decided to not go with Frey at all. Others had said no to Corbray, but this description of him sounds like he could be useful, though I doubt the Corbrays will ever be good friends to us, given how severe Lyonel is, and how much Lyn hates our guts.I would suggest:>Invite Lorenna to House Harrock, partially to get to know her better, and partially due to the expected coup by Ser Crowlys.>Deny Kyra Frey>Invite Lady Waynwood and Carolei to High Harrock, let us see what they are likeI'm not sure about Eyra Hunter (what do we know about her House) or Myranda Royce - they might be worth talking to, as Brock might appreciate a martial woman, though he has very much taken to Lorenna Egen.As for Katrin:>Deny Alber Egen>Deny Frey>Invite Robar>Invite Donnel Warnwood>Think about Saul carefully.>Think about Corbray, but probably deny.
>>25624764If I'm not mistaken, 0 means there's none to spend, while anything else means unused resources. An high score in those departments would be useless
>>25624747If we do go with Lorenna, yea, we should push for at least 2 Wealth for a dowry, though if we get evidence a coup will happen, then we should instead wait for that to begin, then sweep in and "assist" Lorenna in her claim to the land, marry Brock to her, and basically run Egen's lands, due to Brock being Lord of Crown Crag.
Attach Brocks measurements on the letter where we request robars visit to bronze yohn
>>25624642Waynwood you niggers. We rely on royce too much.
>>25624811Basically, yea. We actually technically have an extra 50 in Defence, since we have a small castle and two towers (hopefully it'll soon be 3).
>>25624642>NEW: If Eyra Hunter marries Brock, you receive 2 Wealth in dowry. A more martial woman, a skilled archer as are the rest of her family.I'd be okay with this>NEW: If Myranda Royce (of the Gates of the Moon) marries Brock, you receive 3 Wealth in dowry. A pleasantly plump woman - perhaps Brock would enjoy a woman who shares his weight?Do realize her first husband dies while fucking her (she says it so Sansa in Feast)? I don't want Brock doomed by canon, so fuck that fat cunt.>If Alber Egen marries Katrin, no wealth switches hands. A weedy, excitable boy who speaks little of the Common Tongue.We could do this instead of marrying Brock to Lorrena
>>25624821This, definitely.>>25624827Yea, I'm starting to think that we should go with Waynwood, if only because, as you said, we do rely too much on Royce, as much of a dude as he is.If we can end up claiming Egen's lands for our own after a coup, though, we should marry Brock to Royce, Waynwood or Hunter, and Katrin to Royce, Waynwood or Saul.
>>25624853Canon can change, anon. Remember that.
>>25624853Sorry about samefagging, but if Lady Hunter's daughter is strong enough to earn the adjective of "martial", then that would mean we'd have strong children and a strong daughter-in-law. And if we marry him to Lorenna, we might have Warg grandchildren.
>>25624862to claim Egen's land after a coup wouldn't we need to marry Brock to Lorenna?
>>25624895>Alber Egen is the heir>Marry Brock to LorennaThat makes Brock Alber's heir.>Alber suddenly dies (the "coup" part)>Brock is now the heir to the Crown CragThat simple, friendo.
>>25624895It depends, anon. Did they all die in the civil war? If she's still alive, we still exert a HELL of a lot of pull on her, but yea, to make 100% sure, if Lorenna survives and no one else from Egen does, we'd have to marry Brock to her, and then Brock would, by default, become the new Lord of Crown Crag, but both lands would be owned by House Harrock (I doubt Brock would change his name to Egen, though it might be worth doing so to make us not look quite so formidable).
Rolled 17>>25624895As dear friends to house Egan, we can only strike the rebels down in revenge. Much of our business was going through crown crag recently, so it be only right that we take the land. We were so trusted by lord Egan that he was willing to marry his daughter to our son. Without paying a dowry.
>>25624789House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.>>25624747>>25624816>Acknowledged.>>25624732>>25624787>>25624827>Acknowledged.>>25624821>Done.>Demanding dowry for Lorenna Egen.>Requesting a visit from Donnel Waynwood.>Also sending this letter to Lord Benedar Belmore: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/24940637/#24947520>Any final decisions on Lady Eyra?>Any other requests in letters to send?
>>25624932>>25624895>>25624939>>25624958As far you are aware, current members of House Egen include:>Loras, Head of House.>Vardis, estranged brother of Loras and Captain of Jon Arryn's Guard.>Alber, son of Loras.>Lorenna, daughter of Loras.
>>25624982>>Any final decisions on Lady Eyra?I say we should seriously consider marrying her to Brock. I'm the anon who talked about strong children. Lord Egen has already offered as Alber Egen multiple times. I don't know why we're all so hellbent on having Brock married to a Warg.
>>25624932Something just occurred to me: Isn't Lorenna somewhat psychic? Is it a good idea to pull some trick on Loras/Alber?
>>25624982>House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.Hmm.... so he has strong connections with our liege, and with the King himself?Fuck, I'm now starting to think House Hunter might be a possibility, if we can manage to claim Egen's land as our own without marrying Brock to Lorenna.Mark Hunter down as a possible, we'd want to meet them first.>>Vardis, estranged brother of Loras and Captain of Jon Arryn's Guard.Shit... is it just me, or has anyone else just thought that Ser Crowlys could be preparing for a coup... to put Vardis on the throne of Crown Crag over his lordly older brother? Crowlys strikes me as the type that would prefer a martial man as his liege, rather than a portly socialite.
>>25625044Considering how Brock would be the father, we'd end up with strong children either way
>>25625066>psychic>Loves animals, has an affinity for one (horses)>Told Brock about a vivid dream she had.She's a warg. Or she's just autistic.
>>25624982>>Also sending this letter to Lord Benedar Belmore: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/24940637/#24947520I remember writing that. I still love how much of a troll face I made while typing it.
>>25624982We should send someone a letter to find that whore for our spymaster, not sure who
>>25624982Request Lorenna to come visit. Also, Lady Eyra...is that Waynwood?
>>25625171Derp, sorry. House Hunter. Don't really know, ask Deyya
>>25625093>>25625160Either way, a big red flag to me. I mean, it's ok to marry her to Brock and everything, but I wouldn't try to fuck her family
>>25625160>>25625093>>25625066Loras Egen simply considers her 'strange' and has frequently spoken of what a bizarre and troublesome child she is.>>25625082>>25625081>>25625044>Requesting a visit from Lady Eyra.So, in total:>Request a visit from Lorenna Egen.>Request dowry increase for Lorenna Egen.>Request a visit from Carolei Waynwood.>Request a visit from Eyra Hunter.>Request a visit from Robar Royce.>Request a visit from Donnel Waynwood.>Send measurements of Brock to Bronze Yohn.>Send taunting letter to Lord Benedar Belmore.
Alright, so what if Egen's right hand man is raising an army. You don't need a fucking army to overthrow Egen. Egen is a fucking retard, and we're not exactly mr super awesome military powerhouse. He's getting an army because he's backed by Belmore to fuck us in the ass in a two pronged assault. We deal with this shit now, or we are in big fucking doodoo. We need Egen in place, to keep our border secure.
>>25625082I'm going to continue to argue my point.>House Hunter has connections to our High LordSome of us are apprehensive about being so involved with Lord Yohn Royce. Lord Hunter is just as powerful and just as involved with High Lord Jon Arryn.And Brock is a knight, or at least the heart of a knight. I think he'd like to have a wife who shares those interests.And we get some cash.
>>25625249Sounds good to me!>>25625272Which is why we're going to at least consider it further. We'd want to meet his prospective wife first.
>>25625272>House Hunter is ruled by Eon Hunter, commonly known as Old Lord Hunter. Their house is of little actual power but Old Lord Hunter has ruled for over forty years now and has earned a name for himself as one of the more personable lords in the Southern half of the Vale. A very pleasant fellow, with strong connections to Jon Arryn and even Robert Baratheon himself. As for the rest of the family, they're known for little other than their skill at hunting and archery.>Their house is of little actual powerBronze Yohn has three vassal houses, is currently regent of the Vale and is just as close a friend to Jon Arryn to boot. He's even a common visitor to Robert's tournaments later in the canon.Bronze Yohn is the most powerful man in the Vale at the moment.
>>25625310Yeah, but he's not an idiot. He knows our house is in tatters and we have an abysmal reputation we're only just now starting to mend. If we're not careful, we'll end up as full blown bannermen to Runestone.
>>25625249Sounds good.Also warn wifey about all this shit
>>25625346That's basically the worry, yes. I think we'd be able to keep up with Royce to prevent that, and we'd probably anger him if, after all this, we spurned his offer of alliance through marriage, but we do have to keep our options open, and Hunter isn't the worst idea ever.
>>25625267>>25625259>>25625297>>25625363Warn Deyya? For once, Deyya is taking a great interest in the situation and is assisting you in the researching of houses and the writing of letters, scribbling away. In fact, she raises an interesting point."Three potential wives for Brock and two suitors for our Kat? I do hope that you're not planning on hosting them all at the same time, I'm sure there's enough days in the next month to keep them all apart from each other."... She has a point actually. You have five guests in the next month to host and it might be a good idea to keep them separate from each other.Month 3 has thirty days, numbered one to - well, thirty. When do you wish to host these guests around and how long for each one?
>>25625403>Kill Deyya>We marry some Royce cunt>????>Profit
>>25625486What's Deyya's opinion on Lorrena, Alber, Eyra (currently the three main choices)?
>>25625486I am not sure how far the lords and ladies will have to travel. The ones who have to travel farthest will obviously have to stay longer, if for no other reason than that they had to travel to our ass end of the vale.The Waynwoods and Royces are among the most important families of the vale at the moment, I'd give them more time under our roof than the others.
>>25625486Hm. How far away are each of them? When could we expect suitors to show up?
>>25625486Split the month into five 6 day slots.>1 - Carolei Waynwood>2 - Robar Royce>3 - Eyra Hunter>4 - Donnel Waynwood>5 - Lorenna EgenWe really have to invite Robar over first amongst suitors for Katrin, Royce will take it as an insult otherwise.Also, inviting over 2 other potential brides for Brock before Lorenna Egen will perhaps get Loras to give us a dowry for her, as well as meaning we can keep hold of her if we need to (if the coup happens).
>>25625507hey don't talk shit about our family
>>25625532You mean Lorrena, Robar and Eyra, right? But yea, what is her view on all of them, really. She seems a pretty good judge of character.>>25625611This.>>25625507How about no? Deyya has yet to steer us wrong.
>>25625611I second this motion. Make Egen squirm even more.
>>25625611It's nice, but it's better to have the Waynwood to get there together and deal with them separately
>>25625611>making Egen beg like a bitch for us to take LorennaHell yes.I agree with >>25625673 though, best to take the two Waynwoods at the same time.Then we can invite Lorenna over for the 4th slot, and just keep hold of her if we need to.So, instead, go with:>1 - Robar Royce>2 - Carolei and Donnel Waynwood>3 - Eyra Hunter>4-5 - Lorenna EgenAs you said, Royce really has to be the first suitor for Katrin to come, otherwise he might take insult.
>>25625532>Lorenna"She's a difficult one. I know how valuable this alliance with House Egen to you is and I know that Brock is enamoured with her to say the least but she hardly seems like a good wife. Perhaps after a few years I might be able to shape her into someone suitable for our son.">Carolei"Well, I've always had quite some respect for Anya. A shame I've never had the opportunity to meet her at all. If her niece has a similar reputation to her then I am sure she would make an excellent wife but whether Brock would like a woman more intelligent than him, I'm unsure.">Eyra"I've never heard much about this House Hunter or this daughter of Lord Eon. I thought he only had three sons? In any case, we have enough sworn swords to our house. We do not need another soldier, let alone one with breasts. Brock needs a wife, not a sister-in-arms.">>25625551>>25625547House Egen is directly next door - you could send a letter now and Lorenna could arrive the next day.House Hunter and House Royce are almost neighbours to one another and are both a day's travel from Gulltown, which allows four, five days by boat to Grimarbour - or if they wish for a longer route, twenty days around the Mountains of the Moon. You are unsure whether House Hunter is rich enough to afford an unnecessary boat.Finally, House Waynwood is the further away. Twenty days around the Mountains of the Moon and five days from Gulltown.>>25625737>>25625673Deyya seems to approve of that idea. What she doesn't seem to approve of is...>>25625737>>25625611"Is it really so wise to host them so soon to one another? And for such a short period of time - what if they bring friends or family for a prolonged visit? Perhaps Bronze Yohn himself might consider a visit and accompany his son here - although I doubt it, not so soon after the tournament. My point is, asking for a single day and in such close proximity seems too hasty."
>>25625840It wasn't suggested for single days, Plasma. >>25625611 said each slot/person would be given 6 days, which should be enough time, especially if we put a day or two between each slot.
>>25625887Why not let them overlap? A flock of pretty girls might make it easier to sway Brock away from Lorenna, if necessary.
>>25625840I agree with the wife on Eyra. Brock needs a proper lady to handle courtly matters once we're gone. We don't need two hamfisted rulers in the future.On the other hand, I don't know if Brock will ever forgive us if we marry him off to someone other than Lorenna. He'd probably fuck her anyway. Good lad.
>>25625737For Katrin, I'm still intested highly in pushing Saul. He's not the get rich quick choice but he is obviously a more useful person as he is an equal with us and has everything to gain from our rise in power. Also his land is more requires more hardy people so hopefully it should help Katrin grow up to be a stronger woman.
>>25625915I'm sure having a greenseer loyal to our house would have its uses...
>>25625911They aren't whores, they are lords' daughters.It can only end badly.
>>25625915>I agree with the wife on Eyra. Brock needs a proper lady to handle courtly matters once we're gone.Who says she isn't a proper lady? Not all children are like Brock, sacrificing courtesy for strength. She could be like Lyanna Stark.
>>25625942We don't know if she is one. House Egen is of Andal blood, just as every other lord of the Vale. Maybe she's just autismal as fuck.
>>25625915>On the other hand, I don't know if Brock will ever forgive us if we marry him off to someone other than Lorenna. He'd probably fuck her anyway. Good lad.
>>25625962I don't think it really matters what blood they are, just it was the first men who knew how it works because they were taught by the Children of the Forest
At least the Waynwood pair could come at the same time, I reckon.
>>25625915I sort of agree - having someone with similar tastes would probably make Brock and Eyra a good couple, but she wouldn't be a good lady, a socialite compared to him as warrior.But yea, Brock is in love with Lorenna I think, and being able to use her to claim Egen's lands should there be a war for the title of Lord would be damn useful.>>25625923Saul might be a decent choice - yea, we should add him to the list of people to invite.>>25625951I agree, no overlapping, other than the two Waynwoods coming over at the same time.What order should we host them, then? We don't want Lorenna to be first, it'd mean us sending her back prior to any coup happening, unless it happens in the next two weeks.
>>25625993Yeah, we can line up the suitors on overlapping days as long as they're not suitors for the same person. So Robar and Eyra hunter could visit us at the same time, or Lorenna and Robar or whatever. Carolei and Donnel are coming together as a pair though
>>25626023>>25626023No no, saul isn't what we want in our family. Besides isn't he gay?
>>25626038Though the danger is that the suitors start fancying each other, but I'm fairly sure some clever planning of the dinner seats can help minimize their exposure to one another.
>>25626042What's wrong with Saul, the only problem he has is that he's not rich. As an ally, he provides insight and intelligence and loyalty.
So can we do a time skip if? I think we've pretty well sorted it out.
>>25625962House Royce traces its line back to the First Men - as does House Harrock and a few others, although your origins are vastly different. Your house was created by one of the barbarians of the mountains, who betrayed his neighbours to the invading lord, Artys Arryn. Not a piece of history you're particularly proud of.>>25625887Nonetheless, Deyya doesn't seem so happy about having them so close to each other; or all of them for quite so long."Perhaps three days, perhaps four for the ones that you truly approve of? The last thing you want to do is to insult them by revealing that they're part of a selection process. Not that they won't figure it out themselves but it's a part of lordly courtesy.">>25626038"I suppose that's always possible bu--">>25626066"Ah, you read my mind. It's always a good idea to minimise the number of young bodies in proximity to one another. They tend to lose track of duty in favour of more, ah, carnal things.">>25625993"It makes perfect sense to invite them together, yes.">>25626042>>25626023>>25625923>Anyone else? What do you think about inviting Lord Alesandor Saul along?
>>25626023I wouldn't be against adding Saul to the list again.
As an aside, could someone else try updating the archive on suptg? Just copy/paste the stuff from the main archive page here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=House%20HarrockInto the Request Interface form. It doesn't seem to be working for me.
>>25626136Saul sounds like a bro. If we're not marrying him to our daughter for whatever reason, there is no reason at all not to become allies.
We should call Brock in, and tell him this.Just wave the fistful of letters we've received, "Congratulation's boy, you're very desirable! We'll be arranging visits so you can meet these ladies, so try to catch on on flowery words."
>>25626136Nah, nix saul. We barely have enough time for the ones invited as is
>>25626136>>Anyone else? What do you think about inviting Lord Alesandor Saul along?Sure, I guess. But how old is he.And if so, can we please skip? We're seriously beating around the bush right now.
>>25626175We still need totalk to our Uncle.
>>25626173Agreed, actually. It's going to be crowded as fucking fuck. And to be honest, he's not very high on the marriage candidate list, at all.
>>25626136I say, then, that we just go with the order our dear wife suggests. She does seem to know best, after all.And yes, let's invite Saul too, if only to bro it up.>>25626219Definitely this next, since Morys was meant to go talk to him by now.
>>25626219This for sure. If he isn't receptive to speaking to us then suggest he goes with Ser Morys and help run those lands. It'll put distance between us and hopefully time and distance will heal some wounds.
>>25626175Around twenty, twenty-two. Aside from the lack of a knighthood and martial prowess, he's easily as desirable as Robar Royce and a lord to boot. Of course, he also isn't the son of the most influential lord in the Vale.>>25626175>>25626173>>25626166>>25626162>>25626230>>25626234>Inviting Lord Alesandor Saul.>>25626170Brock's busy outside with Youngest Royter, as is Banton with Mawn. It's a good idea not to disturb them more than you have to.Together with Lady Deyya, you begin to write up a few invitations.>Day 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - Lorenna Egen>Day 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 - Robar Royce>Day 14, 15, 16, 17 - Donnel and Carolei Waynwood>Day 20, 21, 22, 23 - Eyra Hunter>Day 26, 27, 28, 29 - Alesandor Saul>Is this planner agreed?
>>25626305Sounds good to me, but we have to be poised to snatch Lorenna Egen back, if it turns out a coup does take place.
>>25626305Agreed on my part. However this is going to get expensive isn't it?
>>25626305Sounds good to me.
>>25626354Man I am really not looking forward to the next month. Feel like it'll drag harder than the tourney, and be less interesting to boot.
>>25626305We should get some impressions from them after speaking to our Uncle. This is an interesting set up for Brock who is likely to have many more squires in his career. Perhaps this young lad will become one of his life long sworn swords, even though he was low born.Also we really need to get a kennel built, something proper and expansive so we can really work on get this hounds trained.
>>25626305I concur ..... concurrently
>>25626379It all depends on your definition of interesting. I like character interactions
>>25626372>>25626354>>25626353>>25626350>>25626337You do get the feeling your coffers are going to ache by the end of it all. Still, you send out the letters after writing each other them as eloquently and elegantly as possible. Your Maester is going to have to say farewell to many of his ravens for quite some time.>Roll 4d6. I'll accept the second, third and fourth rolls.
>>25626402Me too, but I feel like the characters that are marriage prospects are less interesting than those at the tourney.
Rolled 6, 5, 1, 1 = 13>>25626458
Rolled 4, 4, 3, 3 = 14>>25626458
Rolled 4, 2, 2, 6 = 14>>25626458
Rolled 4, 5, 5, 3 = 17>>25626458
Rolled 1, 6, 1, 5 = 13>>25626458
Rolled 2, 6, 5, 5 = 18>>25626458One more time!
>>25626479>>25626471>>25626469You know, thats probably the best rolls we've gotten
>>25626471>>25626479>>25626494Holy shit, we actually did alright!That's our good dice rolls for the year gone now.
Just pointing out that we've completely forgotten about the mercenaries.1) Have our men question them a little more severely, we need to know why they were kidnapping our subjects. Any hideouts, staches, campsites. They will probably be all abandoned by now but it's a start.2) Put Ser Tenry back in charge of the Rangers, he's not a footman and the discipline of the Infantry has suffered as a result.3) The mercenaries, whatever else the case may be, are very good shots. In return for their lives (the Nights Watch needs men as always), they can train our rangers and archers a little bit.While we're waiting for this coup (if indeed this is going to happen, it could be a legitimate outside threat) we need to have Ser Tenry scouring the land with his rangers and have our other knights drilling with our infantry and archers.
>>25626479Could be worse
>>25626471>>25626479>>25626494Watch this time we needed low rolls.
>>25626471>>25626479>>25626494Best rolls we've ever fucking gotten.
>>25626505We've not, we interrogated them ourselves, and our uncle did so too.But yea, otherwise this sounds good.
>>25626379I wouldn't mind if Plasma just gives us summaries on the suitors and how they get along with our children.Apart from Saul and Lady Wwaynwood, we definitely need to interact with them.
>>25626505Seconding most of this. We need to get the Woodsmen back in proper form and get Tenry back to his proper job, now with hounds.The mercs are something we'll all need to discuss though.
>>25626157Anyone else tried this? It seems to be down, I just tried it with another thread too.
>>25626494>>25626479>>25626471The letters are sent off. You have a good feeling.Do you wish to speak with your uncle? Choose that or one other activity, that won't take more than half an hour. Your lordly duties definitely restrict you from doing much with your time, now that he is no longer lifting half the burden from your shoulders.
>>25626536I'd go with this. Means it won't drag on for too long.
>>25626577We need to go talk to our uncle, now that Morys has spoken to him too.
>>25626577Probably Uncle then. Send for him, send his escort away and just the two of us speak. Like the family we should be.
>>25626577lets charmt he pants off our uncle
>>25626577Talk to our uncle, concede he was probably right about our overreliance on Royce. We're planning marriages to strengthen the house, we need his input as he obviously knows what's what.
>>25626577Yeah. I submitted a potential conversation in the last thread, anyone want me to repost?
Why is everyone so sure on this being a coup?Aside from mass conscription and Egen's lack of military awareness there isn't much to indicate that a coup is imminent. Especially since you'd only need a handful of trusted guards to overthrow the Lord in his own castle, not a horde of smallfolk of questionable loyalty.Furthermore, how is Ser Crowlys planning to get away with it? It's unlikely that he'll kill the Egens off, house arrest would allow him to put forward a facade of control.
>>25626611Well those mercenaries hired by Belmore did escape into Egens lands
>>25626577I honestly don't give two shits about our traitorous uncle. He's the one who egged Ulrif on and then betrayed him in favour of us.The blame for the ruin of Harrock's military lies mostly with him then, not our estranged half-brother.
>>25626611This is true. What if Egen is really some kind of political mastermind, working with Belmore to kick our asses collectively? Full paranoid mode is go.
>>25626577Thanks for reminding me I have yet to post this.
>>25626601Sounds good.>>25626609If you could, yea.>>25626611As I previously suggested, he might be trying to make Loras' brother Lord of Crown Crag - he's Captain of the Guards at the Eryie, and more of a military man than his older brother is.
>>25626577Call him over to the window with us after his escort is gone and have him look at the yard where Brock is training, "I will never tell you he is the perfect heir Uncle, nor was I, but he is my son, your nephew. He is trying his damnedest, and I am giving him every opportunity to succeed from teaching him myself to even placing faith in him teaching a young lad, lowborn as he is. Regardless of what happens he knows now he can come to me and ask for advice for help and improve himself. Just as I once did with you Uncle. We are family. I need you more then the Night's Watch does, despite everything said and done it is in the past and we must continue forward."Also suggest if he doesn't like the idea of staying here with you the option to help Ser Morys as his castellean in Bleakfaith as the old knight knows little of numbers and smallfolk. Alternatively if he is truly set on leaving you will not stop him from going to the Night Watch.
>>25626648"I..want to apologize...for striking you. It was not the...right thing. Even if you were insulting my family.""Uncle, I've been thinking about what you said. About my brother and me and the future of our house. I've always respected your opinion... it was more dear to me then my father. You practically raised me, you know? Ulfric was always the favorite- star of my fathers eye. I realized the truth later, but I knew it in my gut the time I was twelve. When he went out on the hunt, Ulfric was the one he wanted by his side, not me. And when his horse threw a shoe and he broke his neck, it was Ulfric who was at his side, holding him in his last moments, not me. I was with you, learning the names of all the houses. I always knew that would be my place- with you, counting coin and writing missives in the keep. I never wanted to be the Lord of house harrock, that was Ulfrics future not mine. But the seven had different plans... I understand that you don't think much of me. I didn't think much of me either until now. Until I had to become the hangman, that grim cliche, and stepped up into the role as the master of this land, I never lived.I am not Ulfric...I will never be Ulfric. But I am House Harrock, and my son, however little you think of him, is its future. I love you, and if you truly think your place is on the wall, then I won't stop you from taking the black. But if you were speaking the truth when you said you wanted the best for our house, then you'd know that really means that you want what's best for my family. I will do whatever it takes to protect them- if that means I must torture, or grovel, or become someone else entirely, I will do that and I will never stop until the day I die.""Your food is getting cold...wanted to bring you your favorite, but I didn't know what that was. I guess we both knew less about each other then we thought."
>>25626611>>25626648or he's a planning on having Loras killed and becoming regent for Loras' son.
>>25626685I approve. Let's go with this.
>>25626685This is far too apologetic and weak. I appreciate the effort anon went through, but we should be giving simple ultimatums not crying about how Ulfric was the favourite.>>25626678This is more like it.Though I still say our uncle is lucky that we aren't stringing him up as a peace offering to Ulfric. This new perspective on the events has actually made me consider we should get into contact with him. It wasn't even our half-brothers idea.
>>25626732Brother's chambers?Husband's room?Wha?
>>25626754Plasma is going full potato.
>>25626754This.Should we assume 'Uncle', Plasma?
>>25626647Sweeeet, that's amazing.
>>25626762>>25626754Ooor maybe he's in Ulfrics chamber?
>>25626754>>25626761>>25626762>>25626778>The fullest potato.You're a saint.>>25626609>>25626601>>25626595>>25626589>>25626588You visit your castellan's chambers, now guarded by a pair of the Woodsmen. They both throw up a quick salute and stand to the side, stepping away to allow you a moment alone with your uncle. At least they've got that small amount of discipline left in them.You step into your uncle's room, as sparsely furnished as your own office, perhaps more so. He has not taken advantage of the new wealth House Harrock has come across, instead preferring to live a life of honourable poverty. He's a shrewd fellow, never spending a penny unless it's necessary and always judging those who do. One of his many flaws, you now realise. The elderly fellow is hunched over his desk, scrawling accounts in a leather-bound book and glancing over towards you with a sour expression. His bruised face is recovering, however slow it is taking for his aged flesh to heal."Come in. What do you want now, Artys?"
>>25626749I agree, go with >>25626678 - and I also agree, with this new revelation, I think we should try to get in touch with our bastard brother. He was led astray by our uncle, and so the fault cannot be fully put on him. Our uncle even cast him aside to join us afterwards.We should try to mend the bond between us, and make House Harrock whole again.
>>25626785I think we should go with:>>25626749>>25626784>>25626792
>>25626785>At least they've got that small amount of discipline left in them.God damn it. We really need to make that our next step of business. Call in the Captain of the company and Ser Banton, who we did bring in for his skill with the spear and infantry like stuff. And get that shit together. Cannot let that happen.
>>25626792Or at the very least stop him from leading a coup
>>25626828Same thing, really.
>>25626813This. We're turning them into fucking unsullied. We paid top dollar for their arms, we're not squandering it.
>>25626805Can we use elements of both? He is the closest thing we have to a dad
pls no friendship with our brother, he's still a faggot
>>25626813I agree entirely with this. We need our Infantry in optimum shape with the potential conflict in Egen's land looming.And, if we have not done so already, we should put Ser Banton in charge of the infantry. I only worry that he's simply not confident enough. If that's the case then Ser Brock or Ser Boros might have to rise to the occasion, in spite of their new duties with the squires.
>>25626761>>25626785>pic relatedOtherwise, I agree with >>25626805 and >>25626685 - a mix of both apologetic for how we acted, but not for trying to do what is best for House Harrock, and that we want him to work with us. We should also accept that, yes, we were perhaps getting too close to Royce, and we need to show we can be strong alone, or with allies our own size, and not need to rely on the Castellan of the Eyrie.
>>25626865Seconded, after we've spoken to our uncle.
>>25626854Really our uncle is the root cause of the faggotry/treason in our own household. While it's still not a good idea, I'm more open to it than I was before.Perhaps he could come back to the House under an alias. That or we do a major favour for Royce/Arryn enough to earn a pardon on his behalf.
>>25626896I think if nothing else we should send our new Braavo after rumours and soft spoken word regarding him.
>>25626792>>25626805>>25626749>>25626784"It doesn't matter what his title is or how he was born, it's quality that matters and he will make a poor lord. Even if you're right and Brock is finally learning discipline, he'll never be a soldier. Just a follower and a pleaser. That's what I thought you were. Not caring about anything but the desires of your superiors. I never saw an ounce of ambition in you, I never saw you once think about furthering the house, only about obeying me and obeying your father. After he died from his injuries fighting off the Mad King's loyalists in the Vale, I thought of you and your brother. He was always had a stronger arm and a strong will. I almost want to say a stronger mind but maybe I'm wrong about that. I just wanted the good of our house. All I ever wanted was for the good of our house. And when arrows rained on our walls and I called for your aid, you did nothing. You sat in Grimarbour and enjoyed the hospitality of our enemy and played your little game of lords and ladies. Your house needed you, Artys. We needed you here. No man of Harrock can rule alone; especially not me."His voice is cracking and breaking slightly at the end.
>>25626924Depending on how well our spymaster does with the coup situation, we should probably follow up on our promise to help him win the aging courtesan lady.>Cue high-seas swashbuckling adventure>Drown in armour within ten minutes
>>25626896even if it wasn't his idea he still went along with it and fucked our house over.I could suggest we go for a drive when you are smashed off your face and it's a dick suggestion, but you are still a faggot if you go ahead and do itThe last thing we need is an ambitious brother with a claim to our title who feels we wronged him hanging around
>>25626949He doesn't actually have a claim though. Bastards have less claim to title than even the most distant cousin.House Manderly could make a claim to High Harrock before he could.
>>25626938"Then come back to my side Uncle. I need you, the House needs you, what is done is done. And if it so pleases you can even teach Brock to your standard and perhaps one day I will have another son to help Brock rule. Like we can. Right now. I shalln't leave my House high and dry again Uncle, we will do this together."And a hug of understanding and apologizing for good measure.
>>25626938So he doesn't understand the basic idea of forming alliances with other Lords?The archers were no mountain men, and a threat such as Belmore cannot be handled with allies.
>>25626994>a hug1) No.2) We need to be harsher, he doesn't respect this soppy shit.
>>25626924Good idea, our spy guy would probably know where to go in order to find our brother, if only to talk to him.
>>25626938"Wars aren't won at the end of a sword. I thought you knew this. Without allies our family will whither and die that much faster."
>>25627060This. Simple and unapologetic.
>>25626994No to the hug, but yes, call for his aid now, that we can rule Harrock side by side, as we have always done, and that we shall never abandon our House in times of strife again.We will bring retribution down upon House Belmore, and we want our uncle at our side as we send Lord Belmore, screaming and crying to the Seven, into oblivion.
>>25627015His voice was cracking at the end, either he is upset about this schism in our house as we are or he's really pissed.He's had a moment to collect his thoughts and we can forgive, harshness shall be reserved for our enemies of which our Uncle will help us slaughter.I don't care though, if a lot of people are against it whatever.
>>25627015he's obviously in pain. Positive reinforcement
>>25626938>>25626938>>25626938You talk of lack of ambition, uncle, but who was it that backed me when I chose the right side, the side of our liege lord? I am no lord for courts and tourneys. I have no idea what I'm doing to this house. I was never trained or groomed for this. I was trained to count coins with you. Yes, I should have been here with you, uncle, defending our castle, but I wasn't. I wasn't, and I'm sorry, uncle. Our house cannot be kept alive just by me. I apologize for hitting you. I was wrong in not coming to the aid of our keep. There are many things I've come to regret over these last few months, I'm only half a lord still, and you know it, but at least I'm trying. I will not turn my back on this house or give up because of setbacks or poor choices. This land is in our blood, uncle. Remember that.And eat your damn meals.
>>25626994Seconded, but without the hug - just extend our hand to him for him to take.>>25627099Add some of this too.>>25627116And a bit of this, though only the second bit, don't rub him making the wrong decision in his face. He made a choice, just as we would. If he wants to make amends for it, he can do it here with us.
This thread has reminded me that I need to play the GoT Crusader Kings 2 mod, and that I need to use the Ruler Editor to make Lord Harrock, so I can see if I can make him successful.
>>25627116We weren't in the wrong about not coming to their aid in the attack though. He has to be made to see that the well-being of House Harrock is dependant on alliances with other houses, especially with our lack of military might.
>>25626938"Y'know, you're right. You have taught me that just as I try and curry favour with the other lords, they can quite easily use me, and I thank you for that lesson. However Uncle, I am doing everything in my power to ensure we have the resources to move on grimarbour. If you choose to ignore what I'm trying to do for whatever reason, then suggest alternatives. I cannot abide a presence who complains and undermines my authority but cannot determine a different course of action.The future of this house will be decided in the coming months. Brock and Katrin are each hosting a number of suitors, and many of them seem worthy. Help me get this house back to where we need to be, Uncle.>>25627184I did. Give me a few and I'll post my guide to make Harrock
>>25627145>>25627209This.Also cool, I'd like a guide to how to make him as close to the character as possible.
>>25627101>>25627099>>25627093>>25627060>>25627053>>25627015>>25627001>>25627116>>25627145"I understand how allies are necessary but High Harrock needs men of our family here to rule it. Two of them, together. Father and sun, brother and brother, uncle and nephew. It doesn't fucking matter! I can't be left here like that. The one time I had my chance, the one time I was given my chance to shine without your damn father basking in the praise that I deserved, I almost ruined everything for us. I can't be left alone here, not again. I don't want to repeat my mistakes. I don't want to cripple our house a second time, you hear me? Don't leave me like that again. I wasn't meant to rule, I was never meant to rule. You cannot leave me here, not like that again unless you want this castle to be a fucking ruin when you return!"With his hands forming white-knuckled fists, the castellan of High Harrock slumps into his seat, his breath shallow and his temper high, wallowing in a cocktail of guilt and sorrow."You're the right lord of this place. You deserved it from the beginning and I never did. Yet here I am, always biting at the bit for my opportunity, for my chance no matter who the rightful ruler is. I want someone to look back at me and say that I was the one who brought our house to glory. I don't want to die known to the world as a childless steward of no note... Yet I almost ruined everything, again."Don't leave me here alone, Artys. Not ever again."
>>25627260oh wow...that explains a lot.We really should hug him
>>25627184Do it!I hate our uncle, but we need him for the time being. He is weak-willed and weak-minded despite his exterior. The nuances of lordliness completely escape him; he believes we are safe in this little harrow, but we are friends only to ravens and goats.He wishes to assail the land in conquest, a fool's game. He has traitor's blood.
>>25627260"I promise Uncle, that we shall always stand against adversity side-by-side, and together, as Lord and Castellan, we shall return House Harrock to the position of power and glory we have long deserved."Then extend our hand to him, or offer him a hug, whichever is appropriate.>>25627286I agree - it was more about him than us, really.
>>25627260"Then I shalln't Uncle. What is done is done. Let us do this, together."Offer him our hand to pull him up and we can get on with this mess behind us and rule as we should. We need our Uncle so we can focus on our family, the suitors, and getting the god damn Woodsmen back in shape.
>>25627316>>25627313We cannot promise him to never leave the castle, we can't.His daddy issues can't get in the way of our diplomacy. Our house will not, I repeat, will not rise to greatness without help.
>>25627286He basically just threatened to ruin our House if we ever leave again. Which we will inevitably have to.I don' think he can be trusted. Ask him about Ulfric.
>>25627260Raise out our hand to our uncle."Get up, Alric. There's work to be done. Together. These two copper counters have a score to settle with house Belmore."
>>25627343This.He's playing us.
>>25627341Of course not but he is broken from what has happened and the schism it has wrought. We will need to build him back up, and hell having Brock being tutored by him a bit may help.
>>25627341Aye.We can manage without our uncle. But House Harrock will wither if we become an isolated shut-in that never leaves our lands.
>>25627343He's an old man that nearly destroyed our house. He's insecure and lonely and depressed as fuck. He's not going to destroy fucking anything. We'll just drag him along if we have to go out on official business.
>>25627343We could kill him. Or we could skip. I'd like to skip.
>>25627313>>25627316>>25627351Fuck yes, go with these.
Would it be worthwhile to have our Uncle marry? Maybe it would help the clear depression and lack of a sense of self worth.
>>25627364Woah, woah, woah. FUCK having him teach Brock anything beyond stewardship.He's our son and he'll learn more under us, and love us for it, then he will under the the uncle who thinks he's an unworthy pig. Our uncle doesn't even believe there is potential for him to be a good ruler there.
>>25627376Seconded, but I agree with the others in that sometime we will fucking have to leave the castle because that's what lords do. he can come with, if he wants, but we can't stay indoors all day. We have lands to conquer.
>>25626785Shit! Another thing we havent done yet!Gather up and judge the Hedge Knights that we recruited for the Woodsman!
>>25627399And until we took our interest in him Brock thought we hated him and thought of him as useless pig.Time changes opinion and they may butt heads at first like we did but they are family, it could legitimately help build a stronger bond and change their opinions on one another.
>>25627399This. having our uncle back means we get more leisure time, which means we can train brock more. Besides, you're forgetting we're a god tier administrator ourselves.
>>25627368>>25627368>He's an old man>That nearly destroyed our houseYeah, why are we overlooking this? And what the hell makes you think he won't do something like that again? He just said so himself.>>25627374He wants the Night's Watch, let him.
>>25627401This, with added >>25627376
>>25627238>>25627209>>25627184Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:I alway start in Crown Crag since there's no High Harrock Eyes: 4/13Nose: 13/13Mouth: 11/13Chin: 4/13Neck: 4/4Cheeks: 8/10Ears: Doesn't matterEye Colour: 4/7Hairstyle: 5/14Hair Colour: 7/7Beard: 9/9Clothes: 3/18Headgear: 11/15Age: middleagedBackground: 20/21 (The Hangman)Part 2 in a few!
Look guys, he's making an emotional appeal here immediately after saying he'll ruin our house if we so much as step foot outside the castle.This doesn't feel right.
>>25627441Yes, I'm starting to see this too. He's unstable as fuck. We need to reason with him. He needs to fucking understand we can't babysit him or the castle 24/7.
>>25627316>>25627313>>25627351With surprising strength, he slaps your offered hand to the side and spends a moment in seething silence, his body quivering in a combination of barely contained anger and bitterness before he thrusts himself to his feet. Grabbing the book, the elderly man moves to storm out past you.>>25627368>>25627366>>25627364>>25627359>>25627343>>25627341"Fine. Call me whatever you will and think whatever you will of me. I'll do what I can for our house but remember what I said. I won't rule this place, not alone, not again. I've got work to do and so do you; but we'll speak of this another day, when you next think it's wise to leave High Harrock at another lord's whim."With that, he moves to leave. Are there any last words that you wish to offer the depressed old miser?>Also, what do you wish to do before the end of the third month?
>>25627441You're reading it the wrong way. He fears ruining us, like he almost did when he backed Ulfric. And then when we left something bad happened and he had a panic attack thinking he wouldn't be able to handle it, our lack of presence made it worse.He isn't going to ever purposefully ruin our House. He just fears that he is the reason it would happen if left alone again. The most recent incident did not help.
>>25627441What? He's not threatening to ruin the house he's basically saying he can't trust himself to do anything
>>25627470"....You did one thing right by yourself. You raised me."
>>25627470We're playing Artys' social retardation to a tee. I love it.
>>25627470I second >>25627504 with the force of a thousand suns.
>>25627520Aye, but I wish people would think before posting - that's the sort of shit that got us into this trouble to begin with.
>>25627470So... He's right back to normal? Grand, no stronger relationship built and now he thinks we assume he's a broken old man. At least he is on our side again.Also. Mother fucking Woodsmen time. Call their Captain and Ser Banton. We need to get some shit together.
Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:Part 2: Harrock Coat of ArmsParty Per Cross (Four Slots)Slot 1: 1/74Slot 2: 1/74Slot 3: 17/74Slot 4: 1774Blue background with the peak in the middle being whiteEmblemsSlot 1: 3/24Slot 3: 8/24Slot 4: 8/24
>>25627552>>25627429How do you handle his traits?
>>25627504Seconded.>>25627470Organise our sworn swords and our forces - Ser Banton would work well with the infantry, I think, and Tenry and Boros go with the guerillas.We need to train up Brock a bit before letting him command. If we do give him command, giving him the archers will probably be best - it'll teach him to lead, and not to just charge in with his mace.
>>25627470Woodsmen as per>>25627542>>25626505>>25626543Ser Tenry should be back with the Rangers.
>>25627541Agreed. People assumed he purposefully meant to ruin us when in reality he just fears the possibility with his background. We needed to build a stronger relationship with him at this present moment and help build his confidence. We sort of failed at.I remember Plasma saying the other characters had flaws that we would figure out. I'm pretty sure our Uncle just revealed his to us.
>>25627542This, as well as >>25627504
>>25627470God dammit, uncle.He's going to the Wall, not even joking.
>>25627580We don't know if Banton is any more suited to command than Brock. If he has experience (which is unlikely) then he is more suitable, but if not I say Brock be given command of the infantry and Banton gets the archers.
>>25627580>Brock commanding the archersI fucking love it. That will teach him a really valuable lesson in patience, especially because he'll be playing with people's lives.
>>25627584I don't really care why he threatened to undo all the work we've so far accomplished. I really, really don't.Build your relationship with him at your own peril, he feels guilty and he's going to do something about it, you mark my words.
>>25627594Best place for him in my opinion. We can't trust him, and we certainly can't dedicate all of our time to making him feel better if it means ignoring our other Lordly and fatherly duties. I give a lot more of a damn about Katrin than I do our uncle.We gave him his chance.
>>25627470Oh another quick thing. Building some damn Kennels. Our hounds need a proper home, not the stables of the inn.
>>25627607It wasn't a threat you dense son of House Clegane
>>25627605That's why I thought of it - it'll teach him that patience, strategy, and supporting your fellow soldiers are all just as important, if not more, than individual ability or glory seeking.
>>25627572Like this:Crusader Kings 2: AGOT Artys Harrock Guide:Part 3: TraitsArtysHarrockMarried: YesCulture: ValemanReligion: Faith of the SevenSons: 1Daughters: 1Career: Competent StewardTraits:DiligentKnightValyrian Steel BladeAmbitiousAuthoritativeFamily PersonRuthlessUgly
>>25627639I wouldn't have thought Artys was ugly, to be honest. Is that just to get the right number of points?
>>25627607I literally see no threat there, please do elaborate. I see an old man who spilled himself to us and for once told us his fears. His voice cracking, slumping back in guilt and sorrow, all of that emotion out burst unknown to our Uncle.
>>25627660Exactly, and some tards couldn't understand that, and undermined our otherwise good choice of words.
>>25627655Pretty much. You can also try Weak.
>>25627684Weak probably fits better, given our Endurance (or is it Athletics) flaw.
>>25627542And, its a good time to ask the anointed knights amongst the woodsmen to step forward.
>>25627679Sure, the tards are the ones not too keen on forgiving our traitorous uncle who has already led our house to ruin once.>>25627660It's a threat, and you're a fool if you can't see that. We can't ever trust him alone in High Harrock again.
>>25627660>>25627679You can be honest and unstable, guys. I really don't see why that's hard to understand.He feels guilty. Yes he bared his soul, but none of you are looking any any of the beans he spilled. He is titanically afraid of the House failing and he will do anything in his power to prevent it, up to and including fucking high treason.
>>25627722Then elaborate oh master of reading between the lines.
>>25627726This.He's not loyal to us, he's loyal to his own warped version of what's 'Good for the House', which could mean anything that will get him some recognition.
>>25627748No, he's not. He is saying he can't trust himself to make ANY decision by himself, because the last time that happened Ulfric ended up branded an outlaw.
>>25627735There is no reading between the lines. He's outright said that if we ever leave Harrock lands again he'll pull some shit. You can't argue that he didn't mean that.
>>25627705It puts us a little too low - 21
>>25627726And if the mad king had won, what we did would have been High Treason. It goes both ways. The fact it failed and he lived through it has only added to his guilt.
>>25627768You are deluded if you think our Uncle is loyal to us, or god forbid our son. He outright said he did what he did because he wanted recognition for his work.
>>25627770Oh for the love of gaben, that is the opposite of what he said
>>25627778Exactly - it was actually us that committed High Treason by siding with Robert, so yea, he was technically in the right for getting Ulfir to stand with the Mad King.
>>25627778Strictly speaking a bannerman generally owes more loyalty to immediate Lord than his liege. It's what's at the heart of the troubles in Westeros, and why the sides in the civil war were so geographically alligned. (Dorne/Crownlands on one side, Vale/North/Stormlands on the other)
>>25627796>>25627778In the end he is untrustworthy and unstable. I would feel comfortable with him having any power whatsoever. Wall or strip him of everything in my opinion.
>>25627770>"...I don't want to repeat my mistakes. I don't want to cripple our house a second time, you hear me? Don't leave me like that again. I wasn't meant to rule, I was never meant to rule. You cannot leave me here, not like that again unless you want this castle to be a fucking ruin when you return!"He outright admits to his faults and fears of ruining the house, he believes in our old ways of ruling side by side and no one can fault him for that, he is an old man set in his ways. Him saying that if we leave him again and do not return to help as we did essentially breaks down to him fearing that if left alone again he could be the reason that the house falls to ruin. Not that he will do it to spite us or take revenge.I really don't see where you are getting that he means to ruin us on purpose.
>>25627778By the same logic we would no longer view Ulfric as a threat. Which would be stupid>>25627809I honestly don't think you've been reading anything than beyond what you want to see.We can't trust him.
>>25627856We are not sending him to the Wall, we need him here. Furthermore, we command the loyalty of both our sworn-swords and the military, he can hardly do anything against us. And if we are to leave and go somewhere else, we bring him with us, simple.
>>25627857>"You're the right lord of this place. You deserved it from the beginning and I never did. Yet here I am, always biting at the bit for my opportunity, for my chance no matter who the rightful ruler is. I want someone to look back at me and say that I was the one who brought our house to glory. I don't want to die known to the world as a childless steward of no note...I can pick and choose quotes as well.Are you honestly saying we can trust him? That every time we leave our lands with him in charge, we can rest easy?
>>25627928>bring him with usThat will only enrage him further. He has no patience for the games we play with lords even at a distance. If he's with us it will only sabotage our efforts.
>>25627933I think our words struck a cord. Hopefully it was a good one.Shy/Stubborn/Patient would work, cheers Plasma (you need to put your trip back on, btw).Brock might not like it, but Morys and us will help him understand it, and it will make him a better knight for it.I also think, for those who can prove they are knighted, we could perhaps use them more as proper sworn swords, rather than as just another infantryman.
>>25627990He just doesn't want to be left alone in charge, if he comes with us and we leave someone else behind he'd be fine
>>25627504He almost stumbles upon hearing those words, but doesn't look back. He simply dusts himself off and resumes his stride out.>>25627629>Heh.>>25627684>>25627639>>25627655>What about shy, stubborn or patient? Shy is certainly applicable, stubborn and patient vary depending on the opinion of Anonymous.>>25627638>>25627623>>25627616>>25627605>>25627602>>25627582>>25627580Over the next few days, you set about changing your military.Ser Tenry is given authority of his mountain rangers again, an event that is celebrated by them with much drinking on a single night off of their duty, which passes with little event. It empties their purses and fills that of the tavern, which just fine with you. More silver for the coffers.Ser Banton is given authority over the Woodsmen, a position he is unfamiliar with. He reveals his past as a simple pikeman in service of House Westerling, knighted for his ability as a combatant during the minor rebellions of the Mad King's era. He has little experience with actual leadership but he knows formations and he's certainly willing to give it a try.Meanwhile, Ser Brock gets put in charge of the archers, something he is certainly unhappy with. He didn't ask for or even expect being put in charge of the Woodsmen but the marksmen? In his eyes, that's the worst possible choice and one that'll make him sulk for a few days. That lad will come to understand it though, hopefully. Ser Morys swears to try and assist him.You uncover several hedge knights who joined the Woodsmen during their creation, although you're certainly quite a few of them are lying and were never anointed, let alone genuinely knighted. Four of them are Valemen of various origins with two of them being Riverlanders and one of them a Westerman, all of various backgrounds. Only one of them has the horse and the plate to prove it, currently stored within your stables and your armoury respectively.>And more in an additional post.
>>25627933>What about shy, stubborn or patient? Shy is certainly applicable, stubborn and patient vary depending on the opinion of Anonymous.All three put him at 40. Which is good enough for meFinal Traits:DiligentAmbitiousKnightFamily PersonValyrian SwordRuthlessHonestShyPatientStubborn
>>25627976We can take his advice under consideration as we always have-remember that we often chose differently than what he advised-but every extra voice helps, even if we just get inspiration from his suggestions.And we are damn well never leaving him in charge again, he will remain castellan while Brock, Deyya, or Morys runs the place.
>>25628020You're deluding yourself. We're not crippling our efforts at diplomacy with other Lords by bringing him along.Our wife is good at this sort of thing. She's an asset, which is why we bring her along. Our uncle is not.
>>25628053Then we need to leave Brock or someone else behind so that he doesn't flip out
I'm figuring at this point we just try to build our relationship with our Uncle as best as we can. Despite the conflicting opinions and when the time comes for something to happen like us leaving we figure out the best course of action. Which may include leaving Brock with him, or having him come with us, or if he's feeling up to it have him stay alone. We made the decision to keep him, now we have to make something of it. No use arguing if he's disloyal or not at this point. We built Brock up to be a knight when there was conflicting opinions on his use as our heir. We can do the same with our Uncle.
>>25628043I like it!>>25628015 in relation to >>25628042
>>25628015>Thank you.>>25628043>Weak also works but perhaps that might make him too young.>>25628042You also begin the construction of the kennels outside the walls. Combined with the ever-expanding and recently constructed tavern and the crude structures erected by new settlers that have recently arrived, you're beginning to form the makings of a little hamlet outside.>Anything else before the end of the month?
>>25628042If Ser Banton is truly inexperienced in the position I'd say Brock makes the better choice. Ser Banton won't be unduly disgruntled with the archers.Either way, have them train together. It's important that the infantry screen the archers.
>>25628100Well there is still the foreign Captain who trained them, he can help coordinate with Banton.
>>25628094Any word from our spymaster? Need tofigure out how to get his whore
>>25628094>kennelsFucking christ thank you. I can't think of anything else. Unless someone else wants to check in on Brock and Banton with their new squires I'd be good with time jumping to the end of the month.
>>25628071Why are you so keen on letting him cripple us?Better to have him on his way to the Night's Watch, where there is absolutely no potential for him to cause trouble.
>>25628094A small hamlet huh?Can we use our Woodsmen to post a rotating guard? Give them something else to do other then train and keep them from getting unruly, hopefully.
>>25628042Offer the hedgeknights the chance to, ah, reaffirm their vows and supply them with some decent armor and arms at price
>>25628125Yeah, we need to know if this coup is the real deal or not ASAP.
>>25628094This reminds me we really need to work on defence and land>>25628132Not going to dignify that with an actual response
>>25628121This, good point.>>25628125This too, anything yet from our spy?>>25628155>>25628152These too.
>>25628094Get locations, names, reasons behind the abductions from the mercenaries. They can live in the Night's Watch in return. With Ser Tenry following up on these leads we might have them soon enough.
>>25628187After providing instruction on archery
>>25628205Yes.Though I don't know what two footsoldiers can do there.
>>25628181Seconded.>>25628187I like this, but we should instead either offer them the Night's Watch, or join our forces.
>>25628205I know we haven't spoken about this at length. But I have this bad feeling about giving obvious mercs and enemies weapons.But that's just me. Also I'd prefer to just string them up. We haven't done that in awhile.
>>25628218giving them the option to sign on with us is something i support. might offer insight if we have to tangle with their former comrades
>>25628218They've been murdering and kidnapping our subjects. Orders or not, there is no way in hell they are serving in our forces. Especially not with the men they've been killing.
>>25628218I don't think our men would like people who previously killed their fellow men-at-arms among their ranks. Also we forget these men belong to someone else technically, and they broke his vows. We should send them to that Lord, and allow him to deal with them. Sign of good will.
>>25628241Our men would never respect us for that. And that's if they don't shank them at the first opportunity. Which would be completely understandable.>>25628231I don't doubt we'll see plenty of nooses once we finally catch these buggers.
>>25628260Good idea.I prefer the Night's Watch, but if they don't co-operate delivering them back to Badic's (minus an arrow-finger or two) would be a nice touch.
>>25628260I agree, but hanging then outside the walls of High Harrock would be gaudy with our guests arriving soon. Lets just keep them in our dungeon for another month and then decide what to do with them.
>>25628292I can support cutting off a few fingers. We need to make sure our men don't think we're taking it easy on these mercs, though stringing them up would likely be their favored response, doing this will at least help a little of the blood lust.Who knows, Badic might send them to the wall himself. Or back to us for justice.
>>25628125>>25628165So far, you have received no word from Lymorian. You sent him to infiltrate the ranks of Ser Crowlys' favoured lieutenants. It might take a while for him to rise high enough to be privy to valuable information. How much longer, you cannot say.>>25628121Captain Bonaris is happy to have someone who is willing to help him discipline the troops once more. You get the feeling there was quite the falling out between him and Tenry, something that may turn into a genuine rivalry in the future.>>25628152It's an embarrassingly small task, one more suited to a group of green guardsmen like your castle's garrison. However, it's something that the Woodsmen take to with a little grumbling on the side. Then again, they grumble about almost everything. It's likely that they did barely anything to earn their keep while assisting Ser Crowlys in Crown Crag.>>25628187The abductions were random. Sow terror, cause panic and inspire disobedience and doubt in their mind of your smallfolk. They were meant to destabilise your rule. Men were killed, women were used as camp followers for lack of a better word. Even the finest soldiers require some form of entertainment. Outside of these little pieces of information, they've got little to say. They're singing like songbirds but nothing they say is very informative. They're likely just grunts.>>25628310>>25628308>>25628292>Anything else before sending them back to Palfrey Badics, minus arrow fingers?
>>25628382No. But we should make sure the finger-lessening is done in front of the men.Watch our sworn swords reactions as well.
>>25628407Why?With a nickname of hangman, it's not like we need to prove ourselves to our men...
>>25628382>It's an embarrassingly small taskGood. They embarrassed us with their lack of discipline. Once Captain Bonaris and Ser Banton have whipped them into shape again we will take them off of it and hire some guards men. These are our finest soldiers and they act like children about everything.Also I can't think of anything particularly important. I say time skip.
>>25628382I think we should see if they have any more information, telling them that they'll be sent back to Badics if they'd don't give us all they know, and if they give us what we want, they get to go to the Wall instead, fingers intact.Then send them back to Badics anyway - they're his men, what he does with them after that is up to him.
>>25628436Well they were killing their friends, family and brothers-at-arms.I'm sure our men would cheer the death of these mercs, but this will have to do. It is mostly for morale, not to prove a point.
>>25628438>>25628442>>25628407These, then skip.
>>25626647I suddenly feel really shitty about Brocking him in the face.
>>25628442They swear that they know nothing that they haven't already been told. They were paid to defect from Lord Palfrey Badics by Lord Benedar Belmore, they were simply meant to destabilise your rule and soften you up and they beg not to be sent to Badics.You send them anyway, after having them maimed in front of your men, to much cheering and much stoning. Thankfully they're still alive as you send them. Surely Badics has a more interesting punishment in mind that you do, considering his fiendish title.The end of the month has arrived.>Time for a very mechanical part of the quest. Right now, these are our resources:>0 Defence - Can be used to purchase new defensive structures that take time to build. Cannot be converted.>17 Influence - It's also used to determine how many dice you can roll for House Fortune. Can be converted to Law, 1:1.>0 Land - Can be spent on acquiring new land, which offers many benefits. Cannot be converted.>21 Law - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a -2 modifier. Cannot be spent or converted.>18 Population - Modifies your House Fortune roll. Currently a +0 modifier. Cannot be spent. Can be converted to Power, 1:1.>1 Power - Spent on creating new military units, amongst other things. Can be converted to Influence, Law or Population, 1:1.>8 Wealth - Spent on many, many things, from investments to tournaments to feasts to better equipment. Can be converted into any other resource, 2:1.Now, one step at a time.We can either:>Increase one resource by 1 (by 4 if Wealth, 2 if Power, Defence or Population)or>Roll for House Fortune, which can negatively modify our resources - alternatively, it can provide a massive boost to our resources. It's a risk.
>>25626647>I forgot to mention, you're a god.
>>25628584I know we usually go for the House Fortune roll but I really thin we should do the straight +2 Defence gain this time. Especially with all the talks of retaking Bleakfaith.
>>25628632I agree, but power is more urgent here with the potential coup next-door. We need at least another unit of infantry before I'd feel comfortable in taking them on.Bleakfaith can likely wait a while.
>>25628632How much defense do we need?
>>25628584Plasma, can you remind us what we need to reclaim and rebuild Bleakfaith Tower?
>>25628622>>25628663>>25628632>>25628666How about converting some influence into Law before our Fortune roll? We stand a better chance at doing well for ourselves.
>>25628668>>25628675And whether or not that will be less if we wait for our mason to get back.
>>25628668>>25628675>>25628689>You need to officially claim and extend your influence over the ruined tower before you're able to send people to repair it. This takes some political clout and paperwork - and some manpower to enforce the law, as the Bleakfaith ruins are known to house a few bandits. Alternatively, you could just ignore the ruins and build a new tower - but that takes a lot of resources.>You can choose between a cost of 5 Land, 3 Law and 2 Defence or a cost of 10 Defence.
>>25628675>>25628632>>25628668You need to purchase the legal rights to the land there and handle all of the red tape.>5 Land.You need to send some of your soldiers to handle the bandits, mountain men and outcasts that tend to frequent the ruins and the surrounding area.>3 Law.Then you need to rebuild, which hardly costs anything considering how much of the tower already exists. Just requires a little bit of handy work.>2 Defence.Alternatively, you could just ignore it exists and construct a new tower elsewhere - but that would take long, due to not having the foundations for it.>10 Defence.
I'm not big on taking a chance right now with the roll. We have a lot riding on us keeping the status quo and if we were to fail it the potential coup next door would be even harder to deal with, and our coffers could be drained quicker with the next month of suitors coming along.I agree with either +2 to Power or Defence, we should either build another unit or actually getting going on Bleakfaith(which I would prefer).
>>25628704We could just use the +2 to Defence, and then we just need to convert some Influence to Law, and some Wealth to Land.Then we've basically got all we need. We can have that done, I think, by the end of next month.
>>25628734Only problem is we just committed to a month of suitors coming along. I don't know how much of that wealth we'll need, but we could get drained really quickly if we do both.
>>25628730>>25628584I say we go with the +2 Defence then, and then use our action to convert 3 Influence to 3 Law. Then we can try to boost our Land in time for next month.
>>25628734>You can only convert one resource into another at the normal ratio once per month.>If you wish to convert another resource, that requires you to use the rushed ratio.
>>25628759Aye. I reckon Bleafaith should wait, at least for now.Voting +2 to power.
>>25628584>4 wealthWe need it for the feasts we have to provide to our many suitors
>>25628762I like this plan. Giving us the next month to work on the rest would help out.
>>25628759>>25628781In that case, I think we should go with +2 to Defence, and then convert the 3 Influence to 3 Law. Then we can leave converting the Wealth, as it means we have it for this month of suitors, plus potentially paying dowries, etc, and then we can convert it next month.Means we wait another month for Bleakfaith, but it's worth it.
>>25628781We need 7 power for another unit of trained infantry.I'd say if we trade 4 population this turn it'd be well worth it.
>>25628811>Feasts>Not mustering an army and rebuilding our landsAnd you call yourself a Harrock.
>>25628584Roll away, see where fate takes us. You did say at one point that settlers were still coming in, do we get any more pop for that?
>>25628873SHUT UP ALRIC YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD
>>25628792WE NEED MORE POWER.
>>25628819Second this. Slow and steady - it's the Harrock way.
>>25628888>pic related>>25628857I can see why you say that, but that'd put us back 2 months at best before we can start working on Bleakfaith.If people want to go with that, fine, but we've been saying we wanted to rebuild for ages.
>>25628819This, but instead we take the wealth. We can take defence next month and still convert the wealth then.
>>25628941Good point, well made. So take the extra Wealth now (in case we need it), and convert Influence to Law, and then next month, pick the Defence +2, and convert Wealth to Land?That works, I approve.
>>25628941That actually does make the most sense given our current position and next month.
>>25628976Yes, this sounds like the best idea. We have no idea what the guests will cost us.
>>25628976>Good point, well made.mfw compliment
>>25628941Well I said roll earlier, but I think this anon has it right.
>>25628930I just think we should wait for our mason to get back and provide whatever bonus he brings with him.Our army needs more rebuilding than the tower, especially with the mercenaries and Egen-coup imminent.
>>25628976>>25628990>>25629015It's so tasty. The adoration.
>>25628819 here, I agree with >>25628941 >>25628976, since we might need the extra Wealth, and then we can convert it to Land like we would do anyway. Then this month we convert 3 Influence to 3 Law, and then next month, pick the 2 Defence, and spend our remaining Wealth for Land, and do Bleakfaith (hopefully) in a month anyway.
>>25628941Either way we'll need to wait a bit, and that'll give us time to get our Master Mason back who will likely give us a bonus.How is our Mason doing Plasma? I'd feel better if he had some guards with him until the port is done and then have them escort him home, if this Egen coup does happen.
>>25629053That's a good point, how long until we get our mason back?If it's going to be a while, perhaps we should go with the +2 Power, and convert 4 Population to Power, and grab us another unit of infantry?
>>25629053Where is he, and what exactly are we having him do?
>>25628819>>25628815>>25628762>>25628734>>25628731>>25628632>>25628990>>25628987>>25628976>>25628941It took a while but once you finally convinced your uncle to play nice, you set about raising much in the way of funding for your lands, filling your coffers with the riches of merchants and new settlers, at the expense of preparing for the construction of Bleakfaith. Of course, it might be good that you're delaying the construction. You're still waiting for your good man Jeorg to finish his work at the Crown Crag harbour, something that might take another three months unless you call him out or the theory of a coup turns out to be true.Additionally, you exert your influence throughout the land and call in a few favours from certain vassals. Signs of your authority are erected throughout the land, from banners to wanted posters to even gallows beside the roads, where criminals dangle for crowds to feast upon. It's grisly but it's inspired and it instils a certain obedience into your population and those who would dare cause any form of trouble.Overall, you would say it has been quite a successful month.>0 Defence>14 Influence>0 Land>24 Law>20 Population>1 Power>12 Wealth>MONTH 4, DAY 1The surge of the settlers from Gulltown has slowed but they're still coming in, with the latest batch contributing quite a bit to your corner of the Vale and making themselves at home through the little valley you own.>This increase your Population from 18 to 20.In addition to this, there is a little rumour coming from the maids, some of who handle the cleaning of Deyya's clothes and bed linens. Every rumour in the castle reaches your ears eventually and according to this one, your wife didn't bleed last month.Finally, letters have arrived. One from Egen, one from Waynwood, one from Frey, and one from Hunter. Which one first?
>>25629176>criminals dangle for crowds2dark4me
>>25629147>>25629053As a part of a previous trade deal, you offered your good master mason Jeorg to House Egen at the start of the first month, to work on their harbour for six. So far, three months have passed. He continues his work quite readily and he has little in way of guards loyal to House Harrock.>>25629196>CROWS. CROWS DAMN IT.
>>25629176>wife didn't bleedBastard time? Bastard time!
>>25629176First Egen, Hunter, Waynewood then Frey. I think that the letters can wait for now and that we should confirm if these rumors are true.
>>25629176Our wife is with child, anons. We have done House Harrock proud on the battlefield of love.>>25629196>>25629205>criminals dangle for crowds>CROWS. CROWS DAMN IT.Either works for me!>>25629176I say we go with the one from Egen first, considering everything at the moment. Then we go for Hunter/Waynwood/Frey.
>>25629176>criminals executed on the roadsidesWe revolutionary France now.>wife preggoFinally!>lettersEgen first, then Frey, then Hunter, and then Waynwood.
>>25629176AW SHIT SON WE MAKING BABIES NOW. Ahem.Anyway, Frey first, I have a feeling we might have just lost an iron buyer.>>25629205Can we send him some guards, like 4 just in case the coup does happen and he needs to be brought out ASAP.
>>25629235Oh right, she's not that old yet, is she? I figured she was like 40 something.
>>25629209>wife>BastardThat's not how it works.
>>25629176Frey.Have a bad feeling about this.
>>25629254It is if you're married to a Lannister.
>>25629254See:>>25629254I thought she'd gotten too old to have kids. I'm getting sleepy.
>>25629243Samefagging it. Plasma you said we found 4 previous hedgeknights among the Woodsmen yeah? Can we send them to guard our Mason, and upon completion we may raise them again?
>>25629243>guards for masonWe can't, that'd let Ser Crowlys know the jig is up. Besides, he has no real reason to be targetted until we get outright involved. At best we can communicate to our spymaster to keep tabs on him where possible.
>>25629239I like this order of letters.
>>25629243>Can we send him some guards, like 4 just in case the coup does happen and he needs to be brought out ASAP.I agree, just in case. We don't want to lose him, after all.>>25629254It is if she found a nicer lord to be with during our time at the tourney. She doesn't strike me as that kind of woman, though.
>>25629282Or we're sending nameless hedgeknights into the port to "keep tabs" on our mason and no one is any the wiser. Hedgeknights are always likely to show up where work could be.
>>25629235>>25629239>>25629243>>25629254If our wife is pregnant, then why are we hearing about it in rumors and not from her... I don't like the sounds of it...
>>25629305 here, I change my first bit to >>25629282, we don't want to alert anyone to the idea that we might think something is going on.
>>25629320She might not know yet, to be honest. Or she just might not want to discuss her feminine health issues with us until she knows she is with child.
>>25629320Because she doesn't know or we've been too busy with other things?
>>25629278Actually, that's a good idea to prove their worth. Though we need some sort of pretense behind it to prevent >>25629282 from becoming an issue.
>>25629320Perhaps waiting for a proper time? We are a busy lord after all and during the tourney we discussed trading offspring with Coldwaters as squires/wards. She might fear us bringing that up again.
>>25629349To be honest, assuming the hedge knights are liars and need to still earn their spurs could be pretty insulting to them. Perhaps it should be put more delicately?
>>25629349>some sort of pretenseApprentice smiths? Though they were just there as woodsmen, might not work.
>>25629375They are, potentially, hedgeknights who conscripted into an army, they aren't exactly doing well on the dignity part anyway. This could be a real opportunity as far as they are concerned, if not, they can go back to the Woodsmen.
>>25629428>>25629282Thirding. Guards for our steward seems unnecessary, but even so, I don't think Crowly would look twice.
>>25629398>>25629375I agree, if anything they'd view this as a real opportunity.>>25629377That could work. But if we just mention the battle between us an the mercenaries that would be less likely to backfire, and Ser Crowlys could hardly be upset about 100 men being replaced with 4.
>>25629239>>25629232>>25629235>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>Thank you for this most gracious offer of hospitality. I would be happy to send my daughter to your house to learn more of the wonderful and historic castle that she shall be calling her home, so long as you might allow Ser Crowlys to accompany her for the duration of her stay. On this condition, I agree to the dowry that you request, a most honourable price for marrying a house as prestigious and ambitious as your own. I hope that our alliance shall remain strong.>Lord Loras Egen of Crown Crag>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass>My most honourable and venerable lord father was greatly amused by the words in your response and he would like to extend his thanks to you for 'putting some joy into his withered old heart,' to quote him directly. He understands the ambition of your house and your desire to marry your children to the most noble and renowned suitors and maidens you can find. Unfortunately, my father does not believe that you were wise in your choice. As such, he wishes to withdraw from all further trade with your house.>He asks that you do not take this as an insult or a slight. It is simply business and you made it clear in his eyes that you wished to conclude all transactions with my good lord father. I extend my sincere apologies and I hope that his decision has not greatly impacted your house. I wish you and your children the greatest of fortune.>Ser Stevron FreyAh. There goes the vast majority of grain that your house imported from the Riverlands - grain that was used to feed and sustain much of your castle's population and a large portion of your armies.>You have 5 units of Iron to trade with other Houses.>At the end of the month, you will lose 5 Population and 8 Power.>If your Power becomes negative, you will be forced to sack companies of soldiers until your Power is zero or greater.
>>25629278Seven knights, some has iffy stories on that of them as annointed or knighted at all. Four Valemen, two men of the Riverlands, and one Westerling. Only one of the men still owns a suit of plate and horse, giving him the better story.We've considered seeing to getting fresh plate and more horses (Horses for a hedge knight can be fairly cheap, only cost a handful of stags for a serviceable steed. Armor on the other hand will run the market of Three Thousand silver stags. Roughly 15 Dragons. To equip the rest of the armorless knights, and get them new steeds of Rounseys or Garrons will run them 40-50 stags apiece. So around 2 dragons rounding up. So, that'd run us Ninety Two dragons to see these hedge knights in new armor and set on steeds. That's half a wealth (or one wealth going by Plasma's 100:1 rather then 200:1) for equipping six men of dubious origins, but afterwhich they might look every bit a real knight. We could see to it that Ser Morys and our other true knights judge these full seven men on their history of being knighted, and those that really seem up to snuff, will be rewarded for their services with plate and horse. Doing so? Will likely very much so buy their loyalty.
>>25629493Shit me, that is not good.How many units of grain will we need to get that back? Where else in the Riverlands or Vale could we get that grain from?
>>25629493Shit.Whelp, we need to start looking at other trades to make.
>>25629493Ah shit. We'd better take care of trade relations while we have all of these noblemen visiting our House this month, can't afford to waste resources.
>>25629510Sounds good to me.
>>25629493I warned you niggers about frey, but no, you didn't listen.Ok, we need more grain, pronto. Do we know of anyone in the Reach with lots of spare grain?
>>25629493Well shit son. Time to start talking to Riverlords. We need that grain ASAP.
>>25629533Maybe the Manderlys? I dont know how much land they have past Whiteharbor (Vassels with it maybe?), but if they've good fields, we could broker an easier deal with them. Check the wife!
You guys just had to go and make the letter as insulting as possibleSend Ravens to Tully, Bracken, Blackwood and Piper, maybe even Mallister. We'll have to offer something to them, though
>>25629547ITS THE REACHALL WE HAVE IS MOUNTAINS AND ROCKS
>>25629564Damn... that might not be an awful idea, if it's possible.
>>25629576This, plus the Manderlys.
>>25629578Seconded. Look to the Reach.
>>25629564Well they are northerners. That's the big problem, they probably import some themselves.Worth a shot though.
>>25629493Egen's sealed the deal. I think we should defintly accept his offer Frey's gonna frey. Maybe we can get Egen to import grain for us at low prices?
>>25629493What lord of the Vale has a lot of crops? Maybe we could talk with lord from the Reach or Riverlands. Or Houses Stokeworth or Rosby, seeing as they both have a lot of farmland.
>>25629598>>25629595>>25629578>>25629576Guise... maybe importing grain to artificially boost our population is a bad policy?? I don't know. Just throwing it out there.
>>25629596Northerners can still grow food during the summer, and the Manderlys are blessed with plump forms and unbowing loyalty. They get their food from somewhere, and hopefully close by.
>>25629608once we finish reading the rest of the letters, we call in our wife and uncle to see who would be the best candidate to become our new supplier for grains
>>25629595Well maybe we can pump up the production of iron in the meantime and trade with another house that needs the metal
>>25629598We cant just accept the offer now, Not when we already have the Waynewoods taking nearly a month long trip to get here!He could use a smart wife though,
>>25629626Agreed.>>25629623At the moment, at least, we need it.
>>25629623We do need to get that field up to production status. Send the Rangers on the hunt? Supplement lost grain with meat?
>>25629623Kind of is, but at the same time we don't have a lot of land to grow grain ourselves.I agree with, >>25629626. Good to get them both involved.
We should also try House Mooton. They might want to try some trade given they're getting buttfucked for siding with the Targs
>>25629652The waynewoods still have our daughter
Oh, and remember, we need that grain.BUTit doesnt mean we need to trade our Iron to get it.If we find the right buyers for our Iron in gold, we could also buy the grain, potentially getting a better deal.
>>25629719Well, we could pay for it with iron. If you know what I mean.
>>25629719Possibly, but still... shit, this is not a good position for us to be in.
>>25629682>House MootonCan't argue that logic, get the same amount of grain(or more) for less always sounds like a good idea.
>>25629493We don't need to import food when we have goats
>>25629706>>25629652>>25629598We're still sticking to the timetable.
>>25629742Why have we not yet started construction on the goat tower?
>>25629732I like this. I say combined with this:>>25629741
>>25629493In regards to Egen/Crowlys, at least we know he can't carry out a coup while he's here with us. Perhaps we can try to get some information out of him while he's here.Fuck, he might dislike Tenry, but like us, for all we know, and be preparing to throw in his lot with us.I doubt it, but it's still a possibility.
>>25629682They'd probably be more at ease with Ulfric than us though.But they could be desperate enough to try.Seconding >>25629626
>>25629706Not yet they don't - it depends how they act when they're with us, and what they bring to the table.
>>25629766I doubt that he wants anything to do with us. What can we do for him? Our plan is to oust him when he makes his move and reclaim egen's land for ourselves
>>25629775We were still mooting the idea of getting in touch with Ulfric, if push comes to shove.
>>25629766If he really was planning a coup, he'd have avoided us for all it's worth.Something is up here, and I don't think it's a coup. We should wait for the spymaster to get back to us before we do something dumb.>>25629510I say send them to protect the artisan. Providing they don't embarrass themselves with that job we then put them forward to the our council of knights and decide who(if any) should be sponsored.
>>25629821Aye, we need to figure out what is going on... unless Egen is telling Crowlys to escort his daughter, in which case, coup planned or not, it's not like he can refuse a request by his liege. It'd be suspicious if he did.
>>25629798There's no way we'd be able to contact Ulfric, win him over, and then negotiate an agreement before we feel the pinch.We need an agreement with another house and we need it before the month is out. The suitors provide a solid opportunity for that.
>>25629850Oh, I wasn't suggesting doing the stuff with Ulfric all in this month. I thought of it as more of a long-term plan, as I'm sure he probably hates Belmore more than he does us...Unless he's working with Belmore too, in exchange for being given our lands, of course...
>>25629533>>25629547>>25629541>>25629534You'll need to shop around. There are plenty of lords in the Vale who own rich, fertile soil where the mountains give way to valleys. House Egen, House Lynderly and House Waynwood primarily deal in fresh forest fruits from their thriving orchards while House Hersy, House Corbray and House Redfort have vast fields of crops.Then again, the Riverlands can be closer than some of these trading partners and their lands are just as prosperous for farming. Almost every house there produces a good bit of surplus grain. In the end, the choice is yours.>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>You have my greatest thanks for accepting my proposal. I am sure that my daughter will be delighted with the man that I have suggested that she should marry. She is impressed by ones such as he, of such great talent and martial power. In any case, I am hoping to make an event of this. It has been quite a few months since I or my sons have left our family seat and I feel like we should join Eyra in meeting you.>I do hope this shan't be much of a bother. I am certain that you offer fine hospitality but I would rather see the land and the castle that my daughter shall be calling 'home' with my own eyes. I wish you the greatest of fortune and do let me known if there is any inconvenience in this - if so, I am happy to call off the journey immediately.>Lord Eon Hunter or Longbow Hall
>>25629881>Lord Artys Harrock of Westpass,>I graciously appreciate your offer although I admit that it is strange that you invite my son to your lands when he shall likely never see them again; perhaps instead I should offer your daughter the chance to visit Ironoak if she is to marry Donnel? I would be happy to take her back by boat to Old Anchor and from there to my seat of Ironoak, after our visit has concluded. Once we are finished, I shall send her back with escort - unless you wish to provide one of your own.>In total, your daughter Katrin shouldn't be absent from your court for more than twenty-five days. I am sure that she won't become homesick during this period. I trust that you are happy to cooperate? Please let me know.>Lady Anya Waynwood of Ironoaks
>>25629850An opportunity with Valemen, men with lands not unlike our own. And I can almost guarantee that the only lord with the grain to do so will be Royce and that might be a poor idea.Contacting other Riverlords, those who are on hard times or just want to trade in general and the Manderlys cannot hurt.
>>25629664This could go some way in mitigating the loss.
>>25629881What a bro. Come on over dude.>>25629890What a bitch. She can fuck herself.Any news from Saul?
>>25629881Why does it sound like we've already agreed to this?>>25629890We kind of promised our daughter that she wouldn't have to leave for a long while. We might have to pass up the Waynwoods here, unless a response pleading fatherly affection might work.
>>25629881>House EgenOur purchasing with them.>House WaynwoodSince we could marry them off to Katrin or Brock, we could think about buying from them.>House Hersy, House Corbray and House RedfortAfter Brock stealing Lynn's thunder and us piercing his brother, we can't shouldn't expect anything from them. But Redfort and Hersy could open up new storylines.
>>25629890Augh of course, it can never be simple can it.Maybe we can line it up so that she comes home when Robar is here?
>>25629935We could bundle a visit into trade negotiations could we?
>>25629891I really don't see Royce as a bad option. He's trustworthy, and won't try to fuck us over. He also has no love for Belmore. If we can wiggle something out of him that will net us a good deal I wouldn't turn my nose up at it. It's a marriage-alliance, not making him our bannerlord.But I'm willing to see what Lord Hunter brings to the table.>>25629923Eloquently put, my good sir.
>>25629881Let's send ravens to some of the smaller Riverlords (Mooton, Darry, and whomever anyone else thinks up), the Manderlys, and possibly Hersy and Redfort, perhaps best to avoid Corbray. Making an event of it, could prove troublesome, but it would be a slight to refuse or suggest we are up to something like shopping around. I don't know. >>25629890I think that's fair enough. But that'll have to make it the absolute last visit. Perhaps her mother would like to go and we can send a knight of ours as well.
>>25629923None from Saul and Royce. It's best to assume that they're simply coming along, unless you get ravens suggesting otherwise.>>25629945>Day 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - Lorenna Egen>Day 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 - Robar Royce>Day 14, 15, 16, 17 - Donnel and Carolei Waynwood>Day 20, 21, 22, 23 - Eyra Hunter>Day 26, 27, 28, 29 - Alesandor SaulThe only suitor that Katrin would miss would be Alesandor Saul. Of course, she would also be gone from High Harrock until Month 5, Day 12.
>>25629993Sounds good to me. Katrin doesn't need to leave. I don't see Saul asking for her hand anyway, he doesn't seem the type to want a five year old bride.
>>25629881>EgenThat's a fantastic opportunity, we could forgoe the dowry (we already have a fair bit) in delicious power-population-saving trade. And the best bit is it will be quickly enacted so we won't suffer ramifications.
>>25629891Aye, go to the Riverlords, I think. We can't afford to get too close to some of the Vale lords, especially ones that might be proposing marriage to us, as they'll use that as leverage on us.>>25629881Sounds like a decent guy, and it'd be good for us to meet him too.>>25629890Urgh... this is annoying, but I can understand why she'd request that, it makes sense really on her part. We'll have to think more on this.>>25629933>Why does it sound like we've already agreed to this?They're all using the same language, it's to try to push us into making a decision.>We kind of promised our daughter that she wouldn't have to leave for a long while. We might have to pass up the Waynwoods here, unless a response pleading fatherly affection might work.Might work... we'll have to talk to the wife about that.>>25629935Sounds good to me.>>25629967Good idea!>>25629986>Let's send ravens to some of the smaller Riverlords (Mooton, Darry, and whomever anyone else thinks up), the Manderlys, and possibly Hersy and Redfort, perhaps best to avoid Corbray. Good idea.>>25629993Hmm... well, Saul has met Katrin before, so he doesn't exactly need to see her, and it'd give us time to talk to him mano-a-mano too.
>>25630030Fuck... that's genius man. That might just work!>>25630025She's 12, not 5.
>>2562994>>25630025We promised our daughter that she could stay here.We're already showing her off like a prize cow, sending her away from home before all of this would be incredibly detrimental.
>>25629967A visit after our Uncle breaking down sounds a poor idea presently.
>>25630058Aye, we'll have to think about it carefully.On an up side, if there is war soon, our daughter and possibly our wife (if we sent her with our daughter) would be safe, if worst came to worst.
>>25629993Hm. Ok, I think we should send a raven to Saul to explain that matters of state mean that we won't be able to attend the prospective matchmaking, and... uh try to let him down gentle like? Offer him something like a boar hunt
>>25630064I think it's a poor idea but for different reasons. We need a trade agreement immediately and opening discourse with these houses (which we know next to nothing about) with a desperate trade that will likely see us shafted is not a good idea.>We have Egen by the balls, let's squeeze them.
>I'll end the session on this note actually.>Due to work, I shan't be able to do anything for you guys next Monday. The next session will be on Monday the 8th of July, two weeks from now. I'm sorry for the delay but seriously, nothing can be done about it. Time is no longer a luxury I have and I may to cancel that as well.>I'll do my best to keep up with this, though.>Feel free to keep on brainstorming for the remainder of this thread and I hope you've enjoyed it!
>>25630064we don't need to go or we can take our uncle with us, or leave him and brock in charge
>>25630099Saul would see through it, he's crafty enough.
>>25630112Aaaaaaw two weeks
>>25630112Oh really? Damn. I also assumed we would finish the technical stuff tonight, seems a hard way to open a session two weeks off.
>>25630112Nooooooo.Thanks for running this Plasma, good fun as always.
>>25630112No worries, Plasma, though I hope you can manage it. I'm really enjoying this quest, it's the only one I'm following, and I'd be absolutely gutted if it died now.See you on the flipside man!Also guys, remember to go vote for the thread in the archive!http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=House%20Harrock
>>25630112Thanks for taking the time out to do this Plasma, it's great. Don't spend all of your spare time on us.
>>25630134yeah but it would polite at least
>>25630153The technical stuff was already dealt with I think.
>>25630153We only really need to deal with the trade now, and replying to the letters. The technical mechanical stuff has already been dealt with.
Ya'll don't give a shit about our promise to our little girl.
>>25630212I do, I said so above!>>25630112Damn, that sucks man, but I can respect it, real life comes first.Did you make a decision on whether to make a Twitter account or not?
>>25630112>Due to work, I shan't be able to do anything for you guys next Monday. The next session will be on Monday the 8th of July, two weeks from now. I'm sorry for the delay but seriously, nothing can be done about it. Time is no longer a luxury I have and I may to cancel that as well.Sheeit.You'll be missed until you return, Plasma.UNTIL THE LAST RIDGE!
>>25630153>That's why I'm leaving you to discuss some of it - besides, you have a month before the trading deals have to be handled and that's the only technical part.>I did purposefully end with some hard decisions though. Something to mull over and for you to all discuss.>I'll stick around to answer any questions that you might have. I also promise to upgrade my 'player aides' for you guys. I understand there's a lot of details and character bloat so I'll try and make a 1d4chan wiki page containing all of the details.>>25630230>Twitter account is likely.
>>25630230Good point, Plasma - did you make that Twitter account? At least that way you can tell us if you can or can't make a session, etc.
>>25630252>>Twitter account is likely.Cool beans - at least then we know what's going on. Will you post a link to it here for us?
>>25630252Ah alright, I apparently had imagined we had another part of technical stuff to deal with. Either way, good stuff, thanks as always.
>>25630252Will you answer a meta question for us? Has this quest gone as planned thus far, anything we did that completely threw you off and made you change some stuff? We hardly get to ask you questions like that so I was just curious.
>>25630252Good thread as always, OP. Nicely done.See you in 2 weeks, I guess!
>>25630300Good question, I'm kinda curious about that too!
>>25630112Damn, that's gonna be a hard 2 weeks. This quest is my only source of RP at the moment.Guess I'd best take up hard drugs to take the edge off the wait.
>>25630112Have a good two weeks, Based Plasma, and see you when you get back.
First time poster, OP, and damn, you've got a nice set-up here. Gonna have to read through the archives now to catch up, so at least I've got 2 weeks to do that in.
I think we had a good idea with the hedge knights beforehand.>>25629278>>25629349>>25629398>>25629510The way I see it, this is a solid plan in getting some loyal sworn swords. People we can rely on and who will have some martial skill. There's a lot of jobs that they would be perfect for, including escorting us and our family.1) Send them to guard the mason. Action is unlikely, unless this coup gets out of control quickly.2) Once finished and the mason is back with us, we put them forward before the Council of Knights, deciding who is or is no suitable for sponsorship.3) Those worthy of sponsorship are kitted out and swear an oath to our house.At most it will cost us 1 wealth, and that's if everyone is found to be worthy.
>>25630467I like it, nice thinking anon.
>>25630300>You've remained on the biggest rails. Grimarbour is still the primary goal, House Egen is still your primary target for manipulation, the marital status of your children is a massive facet. That's the core of the quest. Some of the minor details are all thanks to you guys and some of the events are just produced by nights where I drunk too much cheap cider ("dude qohor sounds cool i should totally try and elaborate on it somehow" "man i should totally do some medieval tournament tournament thing").>>25630255>>25630264>>25630313>https://twitter.com/HouseHarrock
>>25630491Good to know we haven't screwed you too much then, Plasma!Cheers for the Twitter, I'll join it now.
>>25630491I like the way you stuff and things.
>>25630491>some of the events are just produced by nights where I drunk too much cheap cider ("dude qohor sounds cool i should totally try and elaborate on it somehow" "man i should totally do some medieval tournament tournament thing").The best ideas always come from being drunk, Plasma, always.
>>25630467I think that's the best course of action. I'd say we only use the 4 Valemen though, just because many of our other knights are outsiders, might do some good to have a fellow Valemen or two in our direct service.We will have to do it, secretly though, send them there when Crowleys is in High Harrock.>>25630491Will we ever hear about that woman from Qohor? I thought she was an interesting twist and was a bit let down by the lack of revelation in Grimarbour.
>>25630583They aren't trained for subterfuge. We can easily justify it in the open, a personal guard wasn't necessary when we had our Infantry there.
>>25630583>We will have to do it, secretly though, send them there when Crowleys is in High Harrock.Brilliant, it'll mean he won't have time to deal with it, or even maybe notice what is going on.>Will we ever hear about that woman from Qohor? I thought she was an interesting twist and was a bit let down by the lack of revelation in Grimarbour.Perhaps we will once we try to get info on the other side of the Narrow Sea for our spy, since it makes sense to go for two birds with one stone.
>>25630640I love that our spymaster digs MILFs.
>>25630754>>25630640You guys do know that he is after THE Black Pearl, right?As in, the line of Braavosi whores who are all stunningly famous and descended from Aegon the Conqueror?
>>25630754That made me smile too.
>>25630639>>25630583>>25630640>Our spymaster impression of our men 'infiltrating' Egen lands.
>>25630826Damn right he's after a pearl.
>>25630826I haven't really read the books much, so no, I didn't.How did you figure that, though?>>25630844I chuckled.
>>25630860He mentioned her as the Black Pearl once and she pops up a few times as a recurring courtesan in Arya's Braavos chapters.
>>25630903Ahh, fair enough - I'm only onto A Storm of Swords part 1 at the moment.
>>25630903Damn. Any ideas on how we can help this guy out? We didn't promise to secure her, but we did promise him our support in doing.I suppose it depends on how well he does here.
I remember some different plans from last thread. Also, it is confusing only Plasma's updates (except the invitations), can anyone make it short?
>>25630992No idea, though I'm sure we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>25630992If Lymorian does us a solidf, we could always give him some sort of business or courtly title to make him more amenable to his flame.
>>25631347That's pretty much what has happened. Waynwood has some issue in that she desires Katrin to visit them and stay for a while, and the Frey matter blew up in our face.