Well hey, I don't have time to run the quest today, but I have enough to run another Q&A session, which I think we'd probably need after what happened in the last thread. So, same rules as last time. Ask anything you want and I'll try my best to answer!Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Valkyrian%20Mercs%20QuestDon't know what Valkyria Chronicles is? Check it out here! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyria_Chronicles or http://valkyria.wikia.com/wiki/Valkyria_Wiki
No question really, Just wanted to say you rock for running this quest and Its the most fun I've had ever.... Actually, question: Does the Galian army cover the costs of our sub?
>>25765456Albion is still fronting the costs, but you've now got a lot of favors you can call in due to rescuing Cordelia.
I heard tell of a pastebin. Is there any way of having that added to the quest opening blerb? I like stat blocks, even if I don't know what they mean.
>>25765827He usually has it at the start of every thread. Issue being... he post on pastebin with 24hr timer. To which I ask WHY.
Do you have a secret Twitter account/have you thought about making one that we can express our creepy affections for you on?What's your take on how the story's been progressing based on dice rolls/our interactions?
>>25765418Who are some of your favorite characters?What things have we done, or decisions made, that have surprised you? Impressed you?Are we EVER going to get an opportunity to do awesome things with Headcase's combined "Not slowed by terrain" and "Ride of the Valkyries" potentials? I kinda want to take that thing on a joyride and terrify some enemies as they retreat only to see the implacable monster keep coming after them without pause... They think they're safe when they blow up a bridge and send it into a river... only to have it emerge from the water and just keep going like some Terminator!
Oh yeah...What would Julia's potential have been with that roll of a 1?(Also, I can't help but laugh at the fact that we used a reroll, got an awesome number... and then Julia got a potential that LETS HER IGNORE CRITICAL FAILS! Ha. A safety net from nat 1s, after almost being fucked over by a natural 1... Fuck yeah.
>>25765418How much longer do you intend for this quest to go since we've finished Act II?
>>25765418How bad is it going to be if we deflect sam's straight attack?
>>25765892Because I keep forgetting I can edit existing pastebins.>>25765945I'd rather not start up a twitter account. The current system works fine as is, and if it ain't broke...And the story's been a real roller coaster ride so far. Half of it is stuff I planned out ahead and half of it is shit I literally made up on the spot. I'll leave it up to you to figure out which is which!>>25766169Yeah, it would have involved that old war wound of hers cramping her style.>>25766183We're nearing the endgame. I have two more missions in Gallia planned, and then you're off to the Round Table! What happens after is a secret, though.
>>25766307We have to punch the remaining 10 knights in the face before we can punch Karla?
>>25766307How badly would Sam react to getting assistant-zoned?
>>25766307W-Will you leave us after the quest has ended?What's something you've thought about implementing but decided against in terms of obstacles for storyline? Like more giant tanks, for example.
>>25766248>>25766342I really hope he doesn't answer this. I really do.
>>25766307>Because I keep forgetting I can edit existing pastebins.Come on...
>>25766126Well, Sam is, of course! Though I'm very obviously biased. Tarin is a close second.As for player generated characters? It would have to be Alek because I'm just really amused how everybody took his character.As for surprises, what I really found funny was people wanting to recruit/ship Elsa with Alek, which I sorta rolled with. And those chain crits, man. Those fucking chain crits...As for Headcase's potentials... yeah, the sad fact of this quest is that having to simultaneously control at least a dozen different characters means some skills or potentials are just going to be left on the sidelines. However, if there's a situation where the focus is much smaller, we'll see how it goes!>>25766248Well, she'll have a few choice words to say to you, because she' pretty much knows at this point what's going to keep you hung up.
>>25766365...you're right, its not something I should have asked. >>25766248I retract it.
>>25766365Why is that? Sam is essentially making a high pressure proposal. I'd like to find out how she'd react if she was rejected.
>>25766392Regarding the option for upgrading the T-36 to heavy, whats the drawbacks and benefits?
>>25766433You'll just turn the Fenrir into an even bigger beast. The only downsides are the ones every heavy tanks suffers: large size and high weight.>>25766363I've considered throwing in superweapons at some points, but then I realized I'd have to keep upping the ante every time so I decided against it.
How much of this do you "plan" out ahead. Like have ideas of how you want it to go like.
>>25766411>I'd like to find out how she'd react if she was rejected.Why not find out by playing it out instead of getting your answer before hand?
>>25766449We just gave Q a personal lab.Is he going to stay there now? What when we leave Gallia?
What're the chances of Jager getting to fistfight a GRA noble or high-ranking commander, before all this is over?Are the Demons the only mercenary company that got its charter backed by Cordelia herself?What kind of reputation do the Demons have? And also the reputation of individual squad members, if there are any notables.I mean, what kind of rumors are going around, what kind of stories do people tell in terms of "I hear they did this..." or "I hear they're unstoppable so long as" etc?Both from allied sides, and from the enemy side as well.(On a related note... How hard is whichever Imperial it was that ordered the Sturmfuhrer manor burnt, kicking himself right now, due to how much of a pain in the ass we've made for ourselves for the Empire? Alternatively, maybe they're blaming Karla for failing and not being thorough enough...)
>>25766489I sort of have a broad outline of what will happen, like the themes of each act. Other than that, it's fly by wire, baby.>>25766503You COULD try dragging him along, but then he wouldn't be nearly as effective.>>25766528>What're the chances of Jager getting to fistfight a GRA noble or high-ranking commander, before all this is over?Not very high. Those GRA guys aren't exactly an honorable lot.>Are the Demons the only mercenary company that got its charter backed by Cordelia herself?There others, but they haven't had nearly the amount of luck that you have.>What kind of reputation do the Demons have? And also the reputation of individual squad members, if there are any notables.Nothing too different from a party of crazy PCs. You're loved by half of Europa, hated by the other half, and feared in all the rest.>I mean, what kind of rumors are going around, what kind of stories do people tell in terms of "I hear they did this..." or "I hear they're unstoppable so long as" etc?Fighting off entire invasion forces with nothing but your fists...>(On a related note... How hard is whichever Imperial it was that ordered the Sturmfuhrer manor burnt, kicking himself right now, due to how much of a pain in the ass we've made for ourselves for the Empire? Alternatively, maybe they're blaming Karla for failing and not being thorough enough...)I don't think they've quite realized what they did.
How's the Belkan Knight we punched out doing?>>25766724>Fighting off entire invasion forces with nothing but your fists...That one's actually TRUE! Heh... truth, fiction, stranger, etc.On a scale of [Pic Related], how likely would you say Belka is to undergo a revolution to break away from the Empire?
>>25766724So our entry into a theater is usually marked by 'oh shit'?Heh.Perhaps we should start our own nation.We'll call it Outer Heaven.
>>25766800Yes.Merc, how would you rate your quest running experience on a scale of 1-10? Have you had fun?
>>25765621...does that mean we can finally afford that Heavy Tank conversion for the Fenrir? Maybe for free? Because, you know, we just rescued fucking Cordelia. You'd think that would warrant some sort of Ace tank or something.
>>25766724I actually have one issue with your usual method: no way of knowing when you'd do the Q and A threads and archive surfing them is a massive pain due to all the posts.
>>25766838First I'd get the 88 for Headcase, then I'd worry about converting to a heavy.
>>25766800Rebellion is a very tricky thing to handle in an honor-based society like Belka. It's like how the Declaration of Independence sort of opened the Pandora's Box in that any rebellion would be legitimized.
Are we ever going to get any sort of character development for Brillant? I mean, the last time we interacted with him, we just chucked him to Tarin to troll around the forest. Alek and Ramirez had their fair share of screen time, but Brillant's been left behind.
>>25766828Probably a 9. There are just some times where I just gotta facepalm at what people argue about.
>>25766915I agree. Merc, the next side chapter we do should be focused on him. Although I'm not exactly sure how we'd do it.
>>25766926How would the team react if we gave Elsa a firearm now and made her and Alek a proper sniper team?
>>25766915Unfortunately, Brillant seems to have fallen into the role of the "random background guy that does stuff". Besides his poor sense of direction, I really can't figure out a way to advance his character. Plus when you have to juggle over a dozen regular characters, some of them are bound to get lost in the shuffle.It also doesn't help that many of the readers have already latched onto their "favorites" at this point and will actively vote for interactions based on that.
>>25766887Truthfully, I don't even know if we want to upgrade to a heavy unless we know we'll get a 105-120mm gun. Really, even then I question if we should. The whole 'high weight' is an issue. Question becomes; how much? It can very well limit where we can deploy our tank...Eh... thoughts at least.
>>25766926Did you plan on Elsa being snapped up like a Fire Emblem enemy in blue/pokemon?Will we get our hands on some imperial bigwig commander that Isnt an honorable Belkan knight soon? Just so we can smack him around for kicks rather then honor?And then not stop punching the beaten man, over, and over again, a furious look on our face as he pound our gauntleted fist into his face over and over again.
>>25766983Too bad. It just feels like he'll get killed sometime soon and none of the readerbase would care if he did. I mean, if he ever critfailed a save, I'm pretty sure no one would even think of using a reroll.
>>25766926You're referring to the dog breed argument, aren't you?
>>25767014>critfailed a saveI don't think we can reroll those...
>>25766983Tch.... true there for the most part, though those characters with fans outnumber others.
>>25767008Caliber isn't that important compared to penetration. Getting HVAP would mean we could punch through other heavy tanks no problem without going any higher than 88mm
>>25767014You clearly haven't played the games. No one gets left behind.
>>25767069Like Fire Emblem. Restarting if any of your squad members die. That's normal, right?
>>25767069That's not what I mean. See, Merc said that if he rolled a 20 on our Sam's 1, he'd allow a reroll. I'm pretty sure everyone will jump at the chance. Now, what if Brillant gets that 1 against a 20? Would anyone bother rerolling for him? With the playerbase already having their favorites? I'm hoping it's a yes, but /tg/ is a capricious thing.
>>25767061There's reasons why the M1 went from a 105mm to a 120mm.
>>25767108No one gets left behind.Not even headcase who is doomrider in a tank and characterisation just ends there.
>>25767104I will never let anyone die in my Fire Emblem games. I make multiple saves just in case I might fuck up and end up in a terrible situation where I can't just restart the map and have all my characters come out alive.
>>25767013I had my suspicions. Doing that intelligence roll was going to determine what you were going to face. I had an idea of pitting a sniper ace against you if you rolled a 20 and honestly, I wrote her up in like 5 minutes.For perspective, if you rolled bad, you would have been facing teams of snipers. Entire teams.Oh, you can bet that now that Belkan Knights are considered "unreliable", you'll more likely start facing off against more conventional Imp commanders.
>>25767013>And then not stop punching the beaten man, over, and over again, a furious look on our face as he pound our gauntleted fist into his face over and over again.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqxZ8vmhD0
>>25767104Yup. Even if Ricken dies. He has to live with his shame.
So how would the story played out if we got bad rolls in the first thread and got captured or nearly killed by Karla?
>>25767184Some plot would happen to keep us alive and things would remain largely unchanged except there would probably be less Karla fans.
>>25767137Are you capping a max size for our little army?
>>25767137>you'll more likely start facing off against more conventional Imp commanders.So we'll be either fighting lots of rear guard troops as the commander runs for his life or we'll see Russian style human attacks?
>>25767217>human attacks?>human wave attacks?
>>25767217>Russian style human attacksThat might actually cause a problem for us...Perhaps we should consider them pintlemounted stormbolters.
>>25767184Hmm... On that note, what would have happened if we'd gotten those 20s that were rolled 4th and 5th, and managed to keep Karla from escaping?
>>25767231Eh, if we can hire some HMG or MMG teams we be fine... I think. Germans did pretty well with MG42s really... They just had... other issues.
>>25767114That's with modern day armor on modern day armor.To make a comparison of the tech level involved, the 90mm gun M3, loaded with HVAP, could penetrate 154mm of steel at a distance of 2 kilometers.http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/guns/90-mm.aspA PzKpfw. VI Ausf. H (Tiger I) had at most 120mm of armor.HVAP is fucking hax for the tech level involved.
>>25767290Well MG teams can get suppressed.A remote controlled one inside a tank.... much harder.
>>25767139I punched a guard Five Hundred times once.It was a very fun game, loved the soundtrack too.
>>25767214You'll only have one more recruitable, and that's it.
>>25767608...I foresee an absolute BLOODBATH of a knife-fight over who to recruit, haha. Hope it's somebody awesome/cool/interesting/important.Although maybe we'll just recruit a Lanseal cadet/graduate or something.
>>25767608Ok.Reserved for Karla then...She is recruitable right? Secret character tier but... yes?
One last question, Merc. How do you feel about people calling each other "Karlafags" and the like?`
>>25767608Hey Merc, what is your favourite VC1 unit class?
>>25767739Ehhhhh, it was inevitable.>>25767785Scoots, of course.
>>25767739Just a matter of time before samefag
>>25767823Shut up you filthy HeloisefagJust because we completely boxblocked her by throwing Alek on the crazy grenade doesnt mean she earns a sympathy wuv.Just think of all the elidgeble knights Isolde could hook her up with.
>>25767799How long until planes?
Is it bad I don't really have any questions?Well maybe I'm curious as to whether or not we get more opurtunities to have Lanseal shenanigans before the points we're at now. Because I really like Lanseal Shenanigans. Probably a little too much.
>>25767895Well she might had a shot with Jager before Sam made her feelings known twice over, which tipped the scales in many's hearts.
>>25767967I'm still worried about Novak.Maybe its just me but E.Sevennnnn... that guy was a right bastard.
>>25768012Oh, Novak is still kinda bastard in his own way.
>>25768031Thanks MC, i reaaaally needed that.
>>25768012Both the Novak brothers had good taste in studies of mythology and religion, though.
>>25768012Considering a trainer is named Shepherd as well I wouldn't be surprised at a WHAT A TWEEST. But hey for all the inserts MC's put in so far, not many that I can remember have turned out according to sketch so yeah.
>>25767980I'm still hoping for a turnabout, but I agree that at this point it's unlikely.
>>25767980I know it's damned cute and Sam would be ok for Jager, but, that isnt the president we've tried to set. Jager, is Deadset, on Karla. He made an oath.[to kill her or forgive her? another matter]A BEEG threat is Grandma Sturmfuhrer though. If he reconsiled with Karla, do you think she will? I just see her trying to shoot Karla at a wedding or something. Either heroic halt by the groundskeeper, Tarin, of Jager dives in the way.But why?>Because Karla made her outlive her son.
>>25768058You'd be in the minority as when I say scales tipped, I mean people were won over basically.
>>25767934Not in this timeframe...>>25768051>>25768052>>25768047I have to admit, it's really freaking fun to screw with you guys like that.
>>25767980I don't really WANT to go for Sam, but at this point it would be like kicking a puppy. It just ain't done.
>>25768052What?Is the sniper instructor Vakarian?
>>25768093She's just acting naturally based on the course of the events that have happened up until this point. I mean, this isn't like some dating sim where every choice is going to be conveniently synched up just because. You're going to have to make hard choices here.
>>25768110>Not MacMillanDo you even CoD expy?Of course, Garrus is a cool guy. So props for that.
If Jager still has conflicting feelings for Karla, I don't think he will be able to ever be in a stable relationship. Sure it would be cathartic revenge for him, but maybe being with Sam reminds him of the times with Karla and it would really be awkward for him to say Karla's name instead of Sam's if they were doing something very intimate...
>>25768121/tg/ is too damned nice. The outcome is already pretty clear.
>>25768152So the only way forward is the terribad romance.>>25768159Yessss. And it will be painful for all involved. Enough that Sam will wish she never said anything at all in the first place.
>>25768121Sorry SamWaifu Tier>KAAARLAAAAA!>TarinInstant appeal tier>IsoldeThe SISTER I never had tier>Sam...'I' have liked Isolde more than Sam, because i dont treat her like a LO, but a partner.
>>25768152This is assuming Sam's sudden confession doesn't kick things into order
>>25768093My opinion is basically that we've somehow managed to create a gradual and believable build up to a romance with her, she's fun to watch interact with Jager, and she's well liked amongst the quest goers even if it isn't in the same way.She isn't exactly what I was going for(although I mostly wasn't going for anything). But she honestly feels like the right choice at this point. A lot's been been built up to this and it honestly feels in-character, and I would hate to throw that away on a "maybe" with someone else when Sam has really proven to be a good choice. Plus, I honestly think that, despite there still definitely being people upset, it would be the least upsetting decision to make since she's a pretty well-liked character regardless of people waifu-ing her.
>>25768201Or the fact Sam almost died right in front of him...Funny thing about about near death. It affects everyone, not just the one that nearly died.
>>25768181Isolde is an awesome dame.Does Jager's hate on imps negative apply to her?
Also, I would like to point out that giving a "maybe" answer does buy you time, but is a serious dick move that could poison relationships more than any straight answer.
>>25768235It stuff like that... that's best left unsaid, MC.
>>25768235I think we've realised that.The only option I can see that might work is the i-cannot-handle-this-run-away but that is so far out of character it can't happen and it's not like he didn't see this coming since Sam originally spoke to him on the broadwalk.
>>25768235Jager isn't one of your average Japanese protagonists. If he's going to do something he does it thoroughly.Whether it be breaking hearts, or killing imps.
>>25768235Yeah, I think we've already used the maybe answer and basically went right back to the boyfriend-like behavior. That had to have been pretty damn confusing for her.
>>25768152I'm still on the Karla train. I've been working on uparmoring it and sticking on some cannons for good measure.There's footfalls and trouble sure, but, once we finally scream out all the WHYS, the WE TREATED YOU LIKE FAMILY, and I LOVED YOU, I STILL DO, it'll burn away all the weight Jager's carried.But then, Karla needs to kneal, needs to cry, needs to break away Everything she was, so show us openly what hurt.Otherwise...>>25768225I know, thats why i was so hype when people ran with my idea of getting her that motorcycle.With tears of joy she accepted it!
>>25768235I was under the impression that wasn't going to be an acceptable option, it's a hard choice and I know what I'm answering.>>25768272I hope you're ready for the Sam Mamora then.
>>25768289>Sam MamoraThe what?
>>25768267Pretty much this. We've been acting like her lover while denying that we are as such. Honestly it has to be killing the poor girl.
>>25768223True dat.Being on the precipice of a full-on KILL MAIM BURN rampage, complete with traumatic flashbacks, tends to get a guy thinking.Like, the fact that he's basically been dating her for a while now, he just hasn't admitted it. But actions speak louder than words.
>>25768235I'll be honest I really REALLY want to see whats up with Karla before anything goes ahead. But it doesn't seem like Sam's giving us a choice on that matter. I guess that's major props to you Merc. Karla's an interesting enough character that some of us are very conflicted at this juncture.>>25768272This train used to have so many others... Ah well. It's still on MC's wild trans-europan railway so we'll see what we see I guess.
>>25768223Sam almost dying kicked me off the Karla wagon that's for sure. I mean I'm sure Jager has feelings for Karla, but shit Sam is right in front of him, means just as much to him, and is only asking to be loved back. Who in their right mind would say no?
>>25768235I apply to the mantra of "This situation is going to be so uncomfortable i'm going to punch the sub's wall so hard that i hear something break."After the matter of causing us a lot of physical pain, we can be comfortable enough to let Sam down. She wont bear pain alone. "Sam, you're very, Very dear to me. But, as the sister i wished i had. You, ground me, because you're smart, kind, and honorable. The archduchess told me, how you didnt use one bit of influence your father had to help me, and that matter's a lot to me. Because you remind me, of Family."Then we can pass out from pain.
>>25768313I've given up on Karla because, hey, maybe there's something salvageable there, but that's still a big giant maybe, she still betrayed us regardless of whatever potential reason or justification you can throw out there and Sam has honestly been nothing but good for him throughout their whole time together.
>>25768352The single minded want/need for answers/revenge.
>>25768352>implying Jager is in his right mindWe're not exactly what you'd call sane.
>>25768382>>25768385>>25768313Thank you.Now that i've said my pieces, im going to sleep.Stay on the Karla Wagon men! We're riding this cart Straight To Hell!
As much as I'm a sailor on the Karla ship, but as a witness to Jager's journey I have to be in- character no matter what. Even if I have to jump to the Sam shipping, I have to know what Karla is thinking. If she dies and names us King of Belka, then Sam will be our Queen. The important thing is to never forget what Karla's motivations are when we discover them. If they are noble enough that she is willing to give up everything, something she is willing to die for, we must honor it. If not...
>>25768385That's true enough, but seeing someone close to you almost die tend to put things in perspective.
>>25768382>>25768385If he was sane, he would have gone with Sam a long time ago.However, I would contend that the fact that seeing her seriously injured caused a full-blown traumatic flashback should be enough to blast the obvious truth through even his addled brain.
>>25768382That's honestly another reason I want to say yes because it would be a big step towards resolving things for him. He gets back the happiness he's been missing since the attack, free up some of the burden of choices he'll have to make when finally facing Karla, and generally just let him put some of it behind him and face his past and Karla with some composure and confidence
>>25768382>>25768385And you don't think a major shock like someone he cares for nearly dying wouldn't make him start rethinking what he's living for?
>>25768444Can't argue with trips. We're nearing the end of the story (by Merc's accounts) and so Jager should also be nearing the end of his internal battles--that's what character development is after all.
>>25768469It can. And very easily go down the slope of pushing her away. That she eventually leaves the company, gets away from the war as Jager realises that he doesn't really want her on the front lines.
Here's my two cents on the whole Karla/Sam thing. Spoilered for those people who don't want to be biased beforehand.Karla and Sam have basically ended up as two faces of the same coin. Karla represents Jager's obsession with his past, and his desire to make things what they were like before. Sam is essentially the missing part of his psyche that's telling him to just forget about the past and move on
>>25768508MC, I doubt there's anyone NOT biased though there may be those unaware of what's mentioned there.
>>25768508Not much of spoiler when that's been pretty clear for awhile now.
I wonder if Karla would be proud if Jager was able to stand on his two feet again...
Hmm... I wonder...Is there anyone Jager can ask for advice about this?Because I figure a talk, and maybe a stiff drink, might help Jager sort things out in-game.Who would Jager talk about this too, though?
>>25768567How about Davos? I'm sure he experienced a lot.
>>25768567No one in the company that's for sure.Kincaid is about the only that he could talk on the level with.
>>25768567Honestly, I don't know. Sam is who he'd usually go to for personal things. Maybe Kincaid or Grandma.
>>25768567In the Demons? Most of them aren't really in committed relationships (yet...?), and none of them have gone through the levels of betrayal and drama Jager had to endure. So... he's kinda shit out of luck on that department.
>>25768375Eh valid arguement and I wouldn't say otherwise, plus Sam's definitely earnt herself a straight yes/no. But in the interest of Jager I have no idea what the character would be thinking, I'll admit I'm not at all qualified to speak on this topic. But still my gut feeling screams that Karla has a very important role to play.
>>25768567Ramirez.He could probably sort this mess out if we order him to.
>>25768567>Who would Jager talk about this too, though?Kincaid and Grandma.They're the only family he has left. Plus, from a meta standpoint, KIncaid's a cool guy.OH! MC, could we recruit Kincaid?
>>25768583>>25768579Yes, they're pretty legitimate options, though they've got their own biases as well. Davos would probably be the most neutral opinion you'd get.
>>25768567I've got an ideal. Let's ask Brilliant.
>>25768567The Russians will put things in perspective.Why worry about girl which girl to pick? You have girl right here who love you! Only girl love me is one I give 100 rubles and bottle of vodka.
>>25768603I doubt that saying yes to sam would lessen Karla's over all role, but rather focus him as to what he wants from Karla when he does find her.
>>25768603Basically, from my perspective I've seen enough indicators that Jager has feelings for Sam that it's I honestly feel the decision is less a yes or no for dating Sam and more a "am I going to try and move on or not" decision.
>>25768603She does. You can't just leave all that past behind you. In character, I think he'd probably hug her and start crying, saying "Don't you leave me again." I mean, seeing her get shot brought back the single most anguish filled moment he ever had. He equated losing her to when he lost his previous life. He doesn't want anyone to take away anything else precious to him.This coming from a huge Karlafag. Curse my need to seperate IC and OOC.
>>25768583>>25768616I cannot see Kincaid without seeing Seabrook.Too much F91.
>>25768640Agreed. Which, honestly, from start of the quest till now the only things I wanted from Karla was answers. Based on those, she would be judge upon. Never once have I thought you could repair whats happen between the two of them. What's she done is beyond the ability to forgive.
How much do you know about V3? Will we see any of the Nameless/Calamity Raven remnants/Borgia's Yggdist Cult/Etc. pop up in the quest?
>>25768677>Curse my need to separate IC and OOC.Never curse it. Far too many players can never keep IC and OOC separate, much to my hatred.
>>25768698Actually... based on how Jager has been approaching everything, theres actually a good possibility of him forgiving Karla, if she even showed the slightest remorse for what she did.All his passed on messages have been about him coming for her. Coming to get her back? Quite within the realm of possibility.
>>25768651Expanding on this, I actually see saying yes to Sam as a step towards forgiving Karla(as crazy as that sounds). Saying yes to Sam is basically Jager putting the event behind him and moving on, and that will simmer the rage he's had over this whole thing all this. Probably not the way Karla fags wanted it, but it's the quest we've played up until now and the honest-to-god best opportunity to develop Jager's character into something more than an indecisive and vengeful man who is just recklessly endangering himself without any real idea of what he wants from all this. This finally gives him something to want.
>>25768724I thought that Calamity Raven was wiped out to the man by the end of it. With Borgia dead, it is essentially the equivalent to the Pope dying. As for the Nameless, they went their separate ways. Some stayed, some left.
I WANT Jager and Sam to happen, but I want Jager to deal with his Karla shit first, so he can go into the relationship without all that baggage. Sam's horrible timing is making it really hard for that to happen.
>>25768724you must be very new here as A) the events of VC3 have already passed B) MC made a point not saying we won't really run into them. The only VC3 character we might see is Felix but he's worse with women than /tg/ is.>>25768745Speak for yourself. He might let her live but I doubt he'd be able to fully forgive that.>>25768759Yeah, while I'm supporting sam and not quite forgiving Karla, I'm not of the mindset of just killing her>>25768765Sometimes life doesn't work out like that, and who to say recent events haven't already sorted things out some.
>>25768745Which is a load of bull. You'll forgive someone for killing your family be blood or people that severed you for god knows how many years? No one would be able to forgive that even if the other person showed remorse. The fact is, no matter what happens, that person standing across from you was the one that got your family killed. How do you forgive that? How do you even begin to think you can connect to person who spilled your kins blood...
>>25768765To be honest, I wan Jager to come to terms with at least -something- before facing Karla, because otherwise he didn't change or grow at all and is just the same guy who got his life destroyed when he meets her. Actually putting his past behind him and saying yes to Sam is in a way dealling with Karla, if not entirely(since he hasn't confronted her) at least a little bit, as he's finally made at least some kind of decision over the whole thing.
>>25768828Basically what you're saying is that saying yes to Sam lowers his chances of dropping spaghetti in front of Karla.
To be honest, I just want Jager to just have some form of closure. I can think of so many things that can terribly go wrong in the future. Such as: Rejecting Sam, Rejected by Karla, Forever stuck in the past, and everything just goes downhill.
>>25768802I would be able to.
>>25768845I believe so and I agree as as side effect of saying yes to Sam is narrowing down what he's going after Karla for instead of being currently torn between reconciling, bloodrage, or just answers.It'd also get his head more into the presentThat's my take on it.
>>25768508I really want just a tragic end to this whole play, with Valkyria mode Karla being the final epic battle in the last battlefield, where she just curbstomp the demons until Jager challenged her to a final duel while telling the rest of the demons to retreat.Both of them would be conflicted in their feeling of choosing between their duty and love, and how unfortunate that their fate placed them in this position. Regardless how the duel end, Karla would use the Valkyria's final flame to just obliterate the fortress, and the demons would just watch the blue flame consuming everything from the distance
>>25768845Basically, yeah. Jager has no idea how to handle the situation when he finally meets her and this will actually give him some ground to stand on and a sense of direction of just what he wants out of this mess.>>25768853Yeah, Sam has really proven to be a good choice and Karla just hasn't. It's a complete maybe and I really want some direction already.
>>25768651>>25768640That's the thing though isn't it. The motivating factor behind Jager's mercenary work is to try and get some answers on the off chance he meets Karla again. To me then a major component of keeping the Demons going goes out the window. True this isn't the crux factor since Jager would still want answers. As anon's pointed out it does refocus what Jager wants from Karla. That being said the option of simply retiring and breaking off the chase is wide open then and that's the dilema I see us facing.>>25768759I'm pretty sure there is one burning desire that /tg/'s managed to roleplay into Jager's mind, and its "WHY". At this point my take on Jager is that he's confused about many things, but he's resolved to find out why Karla did what she did. >>25768677I have to say all points here are valid which is why this is interesting insofar as where /tg/ wishes to go with this.
>>25768865Not to be rude, but would Jager be truly able to forgive her. If someone shooting Sam can cause him to go into berserker fury, then how did you think he felt when Karla led the assault on his family.
>>25768802What is Romeo and Juliet
>>25768910A satire of plays with a near-identical concept that were being written at the time. Shakespeare was mocking the whole idea with Romeo and Juliet.I'm still on the Karla train and I'm telling you, you just went full retard.
>>25768900Honestly what would happen after that point? Hard to say? He might not be overly content just to retire, but rather use the whole mercenary sort of thing as a direction in life as I get the impression before things with Karla went down, he was merely going with the flow of things in his life.
>>25768802I could. I've seen friends die in front of me, over in Iraq. Did I hate the ever living fuck out of those ragheads? Yes. But after a while I began to think that those soldiers were just doing their jobs, trying to protect what they loved/thought was right. Just as we were. If I came across one of those Iraqi soldiers, I'd probably just share a brief moment in memory of brothers slain. Of course, this was back during the original invasion.
>>25768900That is really stretching for an argument, Duffy. Do you honestly think MC is just going to go "you've chosen Sam over obsession with the past/revenge, quest is over" if we say yes? That's silly.
>>25768903But he didn't go into berserker fury, he went and got her out of there. That said, I don't know if he could forgive her or not--that's is for /tg/ as a whole to decide, but I do know which way I will vote if it comes up. Also for god's sake man don't worry about being rude on 4chan of all places.
>>25766392Wait a minute, if that's a picture of Elsa, who's holding the camera?
>>25768936It's more, could you live with that person, share a bed with them, and trust them again after betraying you and killing your family? I can see Jager forgiving, but more than that is real stretch.
>>25768936except those iraqis were merely foes, not your fiance.>>25768946he didn't only due to anon voting for him to get a hold of himself.
>>25768992>he didn't only due to anon voting for him to get a hold of himself.Haha oh wow. Jager would be a very, um, "interesting" character we discounted everything he did by player choice.
>>25768992He actually did slip into a rage a little before getting his shit together; even yelled "Kill Karla!" in his head.
>>25768992>he didn't only due to anon voting for him to get a hold of himself.And he wouldn't have done shit except sit around and stroke his harbl if anon didn't vote for anything. Our votes are exactly what characterizes him! You can't say "Jager totally would have killed Karla in the beginning but anon voted to take her hostage instead"--that is not how this works.
>>25768974I can see it happening if they both left everything behind and just disappeared off by themselves. Then again both appear to be partially broken individuals. It wont be a completely true love at this point and more acceptance and being able to live with each other and their choices. >>25768992He still didn't.
>>25769017I meant to imply that he struggled with it before calming down, not ever raging at all, like >>25769028 said.
>>25769035But plenty of votes before hand have characterized him, slipping into a rage was an option because it was in his characterization to do so. He really had to struggle to hold it down and do the rational approach.
>>25769041>He still didn't.He was on the edge, and only his desire to get Sam to safety pulled him back. Just because he didn't lose control doesn't mean the impulse wasn't there.
>>25768903Well Karla was practically family already to Jager. I believe Jager really wants to know whether or not he can still consider her so, there are all different schools of thought and thanks to all of us offering different directions to take really the only clear path to Jager is to get answers instead of making a decisive choice.>>25768943Hell no. But the prospect is there and its one hell of a disquiet to have hanging around when IC. MC's going to do what he wants, but that is a concern for me as a player. Stretching the arguement as it is, you can't deny its sitting there like a creepier elephant in the room.>>25768934That's what I mean! I guess maybe he might go exploring or something, see the world with his mercs and get cash along the way. That could work, heh who would think of going full adventurer as a means of retiring...>>25768969That. Had not occurred to me at all.>>25768992>except those iraqis were merely foes, not your fiance.Karla's got pretty much overall control over Belka, that was totally a case of Her country right or wrong.
>>25769063While what you say is true, the fact of the matter is he didn't do it in the end.
>>25769074I believe camera timers exist in this universe.
>>25769094Engineering does it again.
I feel people gave up far too quickly on the whole take over the country plan. Which would be much easier to complete now that the knights are distrusted.
>>25769074There is still a war going on and Jager has shown to be a very loyal Gallian considering he's willing to help out his country for free, plus Sam's entire family is military so I doubt he'd ditch them to a war effort to live happily ever after with their relative. Plus there is a ton of other people he cares about caught up fighting this war too. There is no way Jager is going to back out of this whole thing just because he isn't considering getting back with Karla anymore. Hell, just because he's settled the whole thing with himself a bit doesn't mean he doesn't want answers still.
Choosing Sam doesn't mean we can't have something with Karla, right?Harem Ending anyone?I can always hope;__;
>>25768903I don't think Jager is stupid enough not to understand the complexities of his and Karla's situation. He grew up with her and knew that she was a princess, and that his family does intermarry with the Imperial nobility despite being Gallian. He probably knew that she was forced into the situation, having to choose between his family and the Belkan's status in the empire, which have been undermined overtime as shown in Schnee's sidequest. Had she defy that, Belka would likely lose any sort of autonomy that they have, and for all the awesomeness Belka is made of, I don't think they'd last too long on a war against the empire.He could rationalize the general idea of her position, and he had every right to hate her, but obviously he still held strong feelings for her, and he wouldn't have any closure until he get explanation from her
>>25769115The only time I have ever liked a Harem end was in Tsukihime, and that was because the main character was too fucking terrified of both of them to risk picking either of them. Every other time it has been gay-ass wish fulfillment. Sage for off-topic.
>>25769120But it sort of leads to all kinds of problems like how are we going to ensure the citizens and military aren't going to revolt, or how we're going to deal with the Empire on our doorstep. Finally, what are we going to do with Karla if we capture her and take over?
>>25769115>>25769147Haaaaa.... Not here I think.Not in this quest.
>>25769120I feel it was stupid that anyone ever took it seriously in the first place.
>>25769160Defeat her in a duel, order to have her surrender when she loses.Take the throne, take her as wife, disassemble the council, put the knights in charge.
>>25769090You over look the important thing: the fact he had to struggle to contain it.>>25769120It's a stupid plan.>>25769154It doesn't mean he's magically completely forgive her. he might forgive her enough to let her live, but not much more than that.>>25769158>implying quests aren't>>25769147even if it was possible in the setting, it wouldn't involve Jager, Sam and Karla.
>>25769167Harem ends are the coward's way out.
>>25769185Hmm, maybe the Belkan military is more likely to have faith in the Knights that we spared in the duels. Seeing as the Knights know that we are an honorable type of person.
>>25769120It's a shitty plan, if the knights are distrusted, the empire would just plant their bureucrat and politician to take over the belkan government, it's been happening, and frankly even if Jager take over Belka, he's still not going to win a war against the empire. The only power that could check the empire indefinitely is probably the Federation, but they're as much of assholes as the empire, with shittier tank
>>25769120Jager is a manchild. You know what manchildren hate? Responsibility. You know what running a country is?
I must admit I always favoured the Karla route. But only because I wanted to see how Merc's writing would have handled a reconciliation like that. But rejecting Sam at this point would be extremely out of character and I don't like giving future events too much weight when making decisions in the face of current events.Maybe you could do an AU sidestory with Jager and Karla once this is all over?
>>25769287This is the guy who dumps all the bookkeeping and paperwork on his XO and then pranks her into thinking she slept with him when she passes out from drinking too much.
>>25769293Can just run a flashback quest of their halcyon days
>>25769250and it was basically made by manchildren who weren't thinking about things and it's an absurd extension of going after Karla.
>>25769293>>25769343I think a "what-if" of Jager managing to take Karla prisoner during the attack on Castle Sturmfuhrer could be pretty awesome.
>>25769358That's the one I would want to see.If we had manged to keep a hold of her. What would have happen?
>>25769358Or maybe a side chapter from Karla's POV when she's attacking Caste Sturmfuhrer or when she's at the end game.
>>25769358That'd be neat.
>>25769381No, no side chapters with her as the lead please. Would ruin too much of the main story by doing so. The side chapters where she basically cameos in them have been perfect.
>>25769381>a side chapter from Karla's POV when she's attacking Caste SturmfuhrerAs much as I'd like to see it, it would be a total shitstorm.You'd have that one guy who keeps trying to argue that Belka's situation couldn't possibly have forced her hand trying to force that into canon characterization, you'd have other people (and I'll admit I'd have to fight my urge to do this) trying to make her as remorseful as possible from the very beginning, and they would be at each other's throats the whole time.
>>25769358AU of where Karla confronted Jager of what the empire expected of her, and Jager decided to defect to Belka, becoming one of her personal knight and going into all the VMQ campaign as a Belkan Knight sounds a shitton better.Bonus point if Jager wears a mask the entire time
>>25769403Yeah, at this point it's way, way, way too late to pull something like that off.
>>25769145Well no, but in my opinion at least, choosing to move on sort of prompts the idea that the past isn't imporant and that Jager's decided that it isn't worth the effort anymore.Otherwise then we'd be sort of middle roading the whole thing, because really if we're still after answers then we're no really leaving the past behind are we. Additionally staying in the war, eh that's quite unrelated. Remember whether the Demons are there or not matters not. The GRA is fucked one way or the other, at the hands of the Lanseal Cadets or with the aid of the Demons. Once that's over if the Empire invades again then its off to either the Militia or Army again.
>>25769227well with the countries we've fought in, they might be agreeable to seeing Jager incharge of a formerly aggressor nation. A new alliance might a possible, a 2nd federation of sorts. Combined possible might might be enough to give the Empire second thoughts before invading.
>>25769414Yeah, it's best to let MC decide characterization over handing that kind of decision over to /tg/.
>>25769410This would be awesome.
>>25769375Well she would have failed the "test" if she defected or was taken prisoner. So the story would have turned out much differently (and Belka would have gone to hell in her absence)
I like how all you guys are assuming that Jager would even WANT to be saddled with running a country.
>>25769476It's like two people man...Most of us don't think he's wants...
>>25769476Jaeger, like most soldiers, probably hates politicians with a passion.
>>25769476Pfft, like we wouldn't just push all the paperwork and stuff onto Sam like we've always done. Leaving all the exciting/interesting/Knight-punching stuff for ourselves.
>>25769440you're assuming a bit much about not obsessing over the past. That wouldn't mean not wanting answers, just that most waking moments aren't comsumed by the past.>>25769476I'm not one of them, just a person facepalming at such a stupid plan.
>>25769440Look, there is no way the whole plot is just going to screech to a halt over this decision and I honestly feel like you're just pushing an argument that isn't "Karla is better" to come up with a reason to turn down Sam. At the very least, whatever the Round Table and Karla's plan is will keep us in the game, as it'll likely spur us into action for one reason or another.>>25769476He won't even do his own paperwork.
>>25769495>he wants...The D?
>>25769470Thank you, Captain Obvious. There still be difference knowing that and seeing it played out.
>>25769201thats not a no...
>>25769476i honestly thought all those comments were tongue in cheek, if someone actually consider that as a possible route to choose, then they really are clueless in politics and bureaucracy
>>25769520I forgot a word >>25769505But yes. Clearly he wants 'The D'
>>25769476one of the reasons why I want to not BLAM Karla, if things go well with their confrontation, she can run a country a hell of a lot better than Jager, hell, she already is doing so
>>25769499Well I certainly hope you don't plan on turning her down then, because I highly doubt she'd want to do all the paperwork for running your country while you make kissy faces at Karla.
>>25769518Hey man, I'm just saying that if you look at it from a purely story driven perspective then that's what you could squeeze out of the situation. I know ofcourse the quest wouldn't end right there because that's just not fun, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from there. Just don't hold my so called "Karla-faggotry" against me since I've said before that I don't really see any definitive choice or have before. VMQ goes wherever it wants and its not like I alone am going to stop it.
>>25769574I expect she'll at least run the unit till its disbanded.
>>25769526>seeing it played out.One of the things I hated in the first thread was the fact that it was impossible, there was no way we could have captured her, and people were using the justification that it was a 'flashback' to metagame hard
>>25769572her father is running the country, all her contribution to belkan political arena is sending erik schneel to pound some bitches politicianwhich is exactly what jager would have done
>>25769470And that would be pretty awesome to play out.Jager captures Karla.She flips shit at him, tells him he just fucking DOOMED Belka.After Gallia beats back the Empire, rather than go mercenary, Jager assembles a team of overbearing and overemotional soldiers to liberate Belka.
>>25769613>her father is running the countryHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAyeah, sure, keep believing that
>>25769618I would have liked that, pity it could never be.
>>25769601Yeah, I agree. I really did not like how we built the character before the events took place. It would have been better to play the events, find out what happens, and find our motivation then. Not before. My two cents on it.
>>25769618>a team of overbearing and overemotional soldiersNo! Not that! Not... mercenaries!
>>25769592You can only squeeze it out of the situation if you ignore other elements of the story, though. Jager is knee-deep in a lot of different things and while he started this whole thing to get answers he's become personally involved in a lot of other things, and there is plenty of stuff going on behind the scenes like Karla's plan to also push him into action. I'm not trying to call you out for Karla faggotry, it was just that I found it really odd that you kept pushing the argument after admitting that MC wouldn't let that happen.
>>25769618Huh, that sounds like an interesting What-If? scenario man.
>>25769629ok, so it's just a bunch of belkan traditionalist being undermined by empire's plantthe point still stand though, she as the grandmaster doesn't deal with politics and running the country
>>25769677Also, yeah. I do see where you're coming from but Jager is more than just his desire to confront Karla and the story is more than too, so I just don't see your situation as plausible.
>>25769700But she does. Otherwise why would the Grandmaster or his/her duely appointed representative have a veto over council actions?
>>25769700>she as the grandmaster doesn't deal with politics and running the countryThe whole reason why we played as 'Eric the Politician' was because she was doing just that, but her secret schemes meant she could not be present at the meeting
>>25769700She's the one keeping the country from falling apart. Why else would she send in Schmee to keep the council at bay when she was elsewhere.
>>25769737because she wanted him to punch some politician?
MC, what Class is Karla?
>>25769761most likely a fencer
>>25769761My money is on sturmtruppen.
>>25769677>>25769712Eh differing perspectives then.
>>25769358>>25769375>>25769526>>25769601>>25769653New Game Plus?
>>25769592I think you're putting too much stock in saying yes to Sam means Jager has moved on. It's choice to move on; the start or initial attempt to try and put it behind him; not the actual act of completely putting the whole thing to rest.
>>25769834Merc, please please please make this happen
>>25769865yea, my thoughts are, regardless of what Jager says to Sam, he aint moving on until business with Karla is resolved, whichever way that goes
Are you guys seriously asking if MC will run another quest for you if Karla loses? Don't you think that's a tad bit unreasonable?
>>25769941What?No! We just want to see the other side of the coin.Join the Empire! Conquer the world!
>>25769941>if Karla loses?As a Samfag, I find it funny that you blame the Karlafags for this.Personally, I would be all for it, would be an almost entirely different quest, with lots of room to explore the other areas of VC verse
>>25769960>>25769960The whole thing started with Starshadow asking for an AU of Jager and Karla together and the what-if scenario built off of that. I'll admit it's probably grown into something else now but it started as that.
>>25769960Kichikuou Jager Quest, live all your harem faggotry here
>>25769941What's wrong with more VC quests? It's up to him if he wants to continue. I wouldn't mind reading the adventures of Matt and Artya.
>>25769941>Are you guys seriously asking if MC will run another quest for you if Karla loses?Personally, not my reason (I'm not even on a side, go figure). It is interesting what-if to me. Be it >>25769618 or >>25769375 as we could see more sides of the conflict. We may never have met a lot of the characters that we have seen if things were different. Always liked AUs.
>>25769600I wouldn't ever leave the Demons for Karla. Yall need to get your heads on straight after all the waifu warring, because there is a real war going on and the Demons are our family.
>>25770082>hypothetical scenario>hypothetical response
>>25765418>Don't know what Valkyria Chronicles is? Check it out here! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyria_Chronicles or http://valkyria.wikia.com/wiki/Valkyria_WikiDo you honestly think anyone who hasn't heard of VC will start with your quest? Thats like starting your foray into Harry Potter with My Immortal.
>>25770133I have never played any VC games and had no idea what it was until this quest
>>25770082so in a alternate universe, you are opposed to leaving an organization that has not yet been thought of, let alone created for at least 1 year?
>>25770151That's to be expected, /tg/ is pretty meta.
>>25770133Yes, such things have happened before and will happen.
>>25770133I have never played VC or even heard of it before this quest came along. Now I have and it was because I enjoyed this quest.
>>25770103>>25770151I wasn't responding the the situation itself as opposed to the idea that marrying Karla would make us kings and I'd rather be a mercenary. But it's not like I really know whats going to happen.
>>25770151That was in response to a comment about taking over Belka in the main storyline before the AU thing was even discussed
>>25770188I'll admit I made a bit of a fool of myself. But I've been up for about 40 hours now and I forgot where that comment came from. That's no excuse.
I bet MC is just watching the shitstorm with popcorn.
>>25770182Ah, that will teach me to not read...There is nothing saying we couldn't keep being a merc, albeit a merc with a rather scary queen waiting for him to come home after his last mission.But like you said, we don't know whats going to happen
>Jager be my boyfriend!>Eh? What was that?
>>25770149>>25770168>>25770170You are all disgusting people.
>>25770222My friend, I have seen quite a few shitstorms and this is not one.
>>25770234Yes how dare I enjoy something without enjoying it some other way first.
>>25770234Now now, don't hate on them just because they are unenlightened on the True Ways.
>>25770234I'm sorry I haven't played, read, and watched everything /tg/ would possibly take an interest in or potentially run a quest on before browsing this website. I will leave now and never return.
>>25770238Yeah this is a pretty leveled headed conversation. If you really want to start a shitstorm just ask what kind of dog we should get Karla.
>>25770248Scout rush every map.
>>25770264>dognot a bear?
>>25770248The True Ways?Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
>>25770222Just wait until tomorrow.>>25770248I dabbled in VC some before this, and thanks to the quest I dove right in the deep end.
>>25770231I'm now imaging a scenario where the questplayers get so undecisive next thread that Merc actually gets fucking angry and goes the Kodaka route.Ahh, imagine the shitstorms...
I recall there being a very professional looking Valkyria Chronicles RPG that was on /tg/ once. Was MC responsible for that?
>>25770271Alright /tg/ what kind of bear would suit Karla?
>>25770264> what kind of dog we should get Karla.Corgis.
>>25770275>Just wait until tomorrow.Uhh, Merc said next thread would be on the 8th
>>25770297Yep. We got a long time to sit on this. Personally, I rather do a side-chapter before we hit the main quest again. Give it even longer.
>>25770321going back to the adventures of Matt & Artya would be a great way to cool peoples heads
>>25770297I thought he said he'd try to do a quick thread tomorrow to fully wrap up that little cliff hanger.
>>25770321Preferably one involving Karla.Time to give that pot-o-shit a good stiiiiiir.
>>25770297Main thread is the 8th. I believe he capped of the last thread by saying we would either resolve this or do a side mission tonight/later.
>>25770297He said he'd probably run a short thread on Tuesday and that we could wrap up this recent development in it if we wanted to.
>>25770337>Preferably one involving Karla.No.>>25770329Yes.
>>25770332>>25770338>>25770345Merc, can we get a confirmation on this?
>>25770320I just got the saddest image of Sam not only losing Jager, but also Wojtek to Karla...No I don't want that!
>>25770321more lanseal shenanigan prz, romance subplot without shitstorm
>>25770329thing is it wouldn't change the fact that people would have this thing on their minds and the longer it's put off the bigger the shit explosion when the time comes.
>>25770346But I want mah shitstorm.Especially one that will collide with the current one and form a mega shitstorm.
>>25770350Straight from the man himself, though it's always subject to change Merc hasn't said otherwise yet.
>>25770264So we didn't get Sam a Husky. So what? We can get Elsa one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4UspBs3DGQ
>>25770453DOGS FOR EVERYONE!
>>25770453No, Alek gets her the dog. Then another... and another. Soon they have a small pack of them. All of them well trained hunting dogs.
>>25770500Is one of them psychic?
>>25770522No. We are not unleashing Berthold on the Demons.
Is the thread dead?
I'm just gonna put this out there before I go to sleep, but I honestly don't feel right getting with Sam just yet, and let me try (in my sleep-deprivation-addled ramblings) to explain.Jager doesn't have any real closure on his last relationship. It just sorta, stopped. Until he can get that closure, which he can only really get by confronting Karla about the whole thing, it just doesn't feel right. Like he's just using her to make the pain go away. And that's not fair to anyone involved. We've already established that some part of Jager does still love Karla, and that small part is gonna niggle at him, keep him or Sam from being really happy with each other, until he can properly let go.It seems that the best option is to tell Sam that yes, we will, as soon as we get that closure, and explain this whole thing to her.And as someone who Sam has won over from the Karla camp, it honestly feels like any chance of Karla winning got meta-curbstomped by her utter lack of screentime. Kinda like watching a footrace between a member of the track team and a kid who's been hogtied. Sam's in literally every thread, while Karla's just kind of a shadow character.
>>25771769some good points, and as a karlafag, the last point makes me sad.I'll repost your post next thread for everyones consideration & discussion because it raises some very good thigns that no one has talked about
>>25771769That's a good point. We have some underdeveloped characters in the Demons which can't really be helped. But Karla is so central to the story that she really should have more screentime. Not only current events but also pre-war Jager and Karla.The choice that Jager makes in the end is between two paths so extremely different that whatever ends up happening I will be rabidly curious to learn where the other one leads. That's why I suggested the AU sidestory.