I'm putting together a setting, /tg/. A very quick overview:It's a kind of high-fantasy, low-magic, realistic-but-not-too-grim setting.It takes place across several islands that share a warm, Mediterranean-y climate. There is a mainland/large continent, but it's mostly unexplored other than what's shown on the map. I'm still deciding on exact details, but I think most cultures will be sort of homebrewed, rather than direct expies of existing cultures. I'm thinking of going for a sort of Spain/Italy/Greek vibe for a few (but not all) islands. Because the campaign takes place across all these islands, sea travel is an important part in most cultures; the navy is more important than land based armies, a lot of nobles will often train their men-at-arms to deal with war at sea, etc.Humans are the primary inhabitants of this world, but ethnic variety is pretty obvious at times; I'm considering a nomadic culture of humans who travel by sea and possess fish-like scales in several places on their bodies, and, if I bother tackling it at all, any dwarf-role in this world will be filled by another group of humans rather than actual dwarves. In addition to humans, porcine greenskin races (goblins, orcs and trolls) can be found on the mainland and on some of the islands. Swamp Spawn (name pending) refers to frog, newt and salamander beastmen who can be found on some of the swampy islands, while Scale Spawn (again, name pending) refers to lizard and snake beastmen who can be found on warmer islands and the mainland. I'm considering minotaurs as a sort-of-intelligent but reclusive race who are mainly used as costly guards by humans, and I'm considering ogres as either a human race or porcine race.I'm going to worry about specifics later. What I'd quite like feedback on right now is what I have so far of the map: obviously, place names and annotations still need to be added, as well as a map and compass, but are the general landmasses/is what I have on the map so far okay?
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>>26398643BUT ANON I CAN'T INTO MATHS+GEOGRAPHY
>>26398659WELL FORTUNATELY FOR YOU I CAN.Mediterranean climate it will have to be situated in roughly the same latitude as the Mediterranean AND the sea must be surrounded on all sides by land with only a few straights out to the ocean or other seas. There would HAVE to be more water flowing into the sea as well, either through ocean connections or rivers from further north.I would recommend that the map pictured be no greater than 500x500 miles at its absolute largest or 100x100 miles at its smallest. Personally I think somewhere in the middle of that around 250 by 250 would be best.
Sounds pretty cool op.I think your map looks pretty cool.Generally people don't pick the ocean for the middle of their maps, but for a regional game like yours (especially based around sea faring) it's alright.
>>26399116most people tend to make maps that would result in a completely inhospitable world
>>26398856>SCIENCE!You mean I can't just say it's somewhere-kind-of-south-on-the-globe-so-it's-kinda-warm?!>>26399116Thank you! I'm considering adding a few more little islands to fill up some of the empty space.
>>26399191ABSOLUTELY. THE RELATIVE LOCATION OF LAND MASSES TO BODIES OF WATER IN CONJUNCTION WITH LATITUDE PLAYS A GIANT ROLE IN DETERMINING THE CLIMATE OF A REGION.
>>26399321HOLD THAT THOUGHT. LET ME GET MY KOPPEN CLIMATE CLASSIFICATION MAP.
>>26399396SO IF YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU WANT A MEDITERRANEAN CLIMATE IT IS SAFE FOR ME TO ASSUME ONE OF TWO THINGS.A) THE LOCATION IS A MOSTLY ENCLOSED SEA IN THE MID LATITUDES.-OR-B) SOMEWHERE ON THE WESTERN COAST WHERE THE PREDOMINATE CURRENT IN THE OCEAN IS COLD.BY THE WAY, B IS NOT A VERY GOOD PLACE TO BE FOR SEA FARING CULTURES.
>>26399480YOU CLEARLY UNDERESTIMATED PHYSICS, LET THIS BE A LESSON TO YOU!
>this thread/tg/, I love you.KEEP GOING.
>>26399504>>26399514SO IF I AM EVER REQUIRED TO EXPLAIN THE CLIMATE OF THE SETTING TO MY PLAYERS, I INFORM THEM THAT THE AREA SEEN ON THE MAP IS IN THE MID-LATITUDES OF THE LARGER, UNSEEN WORLD AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER, LARGER LANDMASSES?
Hey OP what method did you use to get that parchment texture? I'm looking around for basically all Photoshop parchment/paper texturing techniques I can find.>>26399396While we are on koppen geiger climates here is an example of some that I made. May be useful inspiration, may not. I tried to keep them accurate to where such climates form. Note that the east-west direction of the prevailing winds is the opposite of Earth's (north-south remained the same), mostly because of where I wanted the deserts to be.
I CANNOT COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES I HAVE SEEN SOMEONE MAKE A MAP WITH AN AREA THAT IS SUPPOSED WESTERN EUROPEAN IN CLIMATE (THE LIMEY GREEN) BUT DOES NOT HAVE AN ANALOG TO THE GULF STREAM.IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE AMERICAS BEING WHERE THEY ARE AND SHAPED LIKE THEY ARE BRITAIN AND SHIT OVER THERE WOULD BE ONLY SLIGHTLY WARMER THAN SIBERIA.AND REMEMBER EVERY TIME YOU GO "LOL ITS MAGIC I DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN SHIT" YOU ARE BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT A POWERFUL ENOUGH WIZARD CAN HYPOTHETICALLY FUCK WITH THAT MAGIC.SO NEXT TIME YOU A FANTASY BRITAIN WITH A MAGICAL GULF STREAM ANALOG, THE EASIEST WAY TO DESTROY THE REGION IS FOR THE BIG BAD EVIL WIZARD GUY TO STOP THAT.THEN EVERYONE WILL FREEZE.
>>26399552That, or do whatever the hell you want and use a bullshit explanation like One Piece's Grand Line.OR YOU COULD BE A MAN AND USE SCIENCE
>>26399552THAT IS A SAFE CALL GOOD SIR ANONYMOUS>>26399595YOU ARE SCHOLAR AND GENTLEMEN. WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT MAP I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING I COULD IMMEDIATELY COMPLAIN ABOUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DATA I HAVE AVAILABLE. MAY YOU WIN MANY AN INTERNET.
>>26399659OKAYTHANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELPOTHER THAN CLIMATE SHENANIGANS /tg/, IS THE REST OF WHAT I'VE SAID ABOUT THE SETTING OKAY?I THINK I MIGHT POST ANOTHER THREAD THAT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL (ASSUMING THIS ONE WILL HAVE GONE DOWN BY THEN) LATER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S 4:40 AND I'M REALLY TIRED
>>26399595WAIT. I TOOK A MOMENT TO FIRE UP THE BRAINMEATS.THE SOUTHERN OCEAN SHOULD HAVE AN ICE CAP DUE TO THE CIRCUMPOLAR CURRENT UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING TO PROVIDE THE WARMTH TO KEEP IT ICE FREE.SECOND, IS THAT NORTHERN MASS OF WHITE ICE OR LAND? BECAUSE IF ITS LAND IT WOULD PREVENT THE CREATION OF A CIRCUMPOLAR CURRENT SO IT WOULD END UP LIKE NORWAY MORE SO THAN NUNAVUT (THOSE SHITTY FRIGID ISLAND BLOBS IN CANADA).
>>26399659Thanks bro. I spent quite a long time checking what latitudes climates could form in and where they would be relative to mountains and bodies of water. However that's about the only research I did, so actual climatologists would doubtless find a lot to nitpick about.The only thing that stretches it a little, to me, is how far the vegetation stretches over the country marked there as "Iyakar Zheouniy Ikranak Naiouneis", which now has a proper name, Akreneis (akre - "safety/home", neis - "region/land", effectively, "homeland"), but I've justified it by the winds blowing over it from the major ocean being powerful as fuck and the eastern part of the country being basically permanently drenched in rain. >>26399738>THE SOUTHERN OCEAN SHOULD HAVE AN ICE CAP DUE TO THE CIRCUMPOLAR CURRENT UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING TO PROVIDE THE WARMTH TO KEEP IT ICE FREE.It does have an ice cap, I just haven't found a good way to render ice while keeping it distinct from frozen land. The northern pole actually has ice going down to around where the white snowy areas on the land are, at its furthest extent.>SECOND, IS THAT NORTHERN MASS OF WHITE ICE OR LAND? BECAUSE IF ITS LAND IT WOULD PREVENT THE CREATION OF A CIRCUMPOLAR CURRENT SO IT WOULD END UP LIKE NORWAY MORE SO THAN NUNAVUT (THOSE SHITTY FRIGID ISLAND BLOBS IN CANADA).It's land. Please elaborate what you mean by this - which parts of the world would end up more like Norway? Also, would this... circumpolar current have an effect on how far the southern ice cap extends? Keeping in mind that it basically has no land anywhere near it, what effect does this have on the size of the ice cap?
>>26399854Also - the ocean on the sides is actually somewhat larger, but I basically cropped the sides so I could fit the image on /tg/ without downsizing it too much. There should be another 500 pixels on each side, I think.
>>26399854A CIRCUMPOLAR CURRENT IS, AS ITS NAME SUGGEST, AN OCEAN CURRENT THAT COMPLETELY CIRCLES A POLE AT ABOUT THE ARCTIC CIRCLE. THIS COMPLETELY PREVENT OTHER WARMER OCEAN CURRENTS FROM BUTTING IN AND THUS DEPRESSES THE TEMPERATURE IN REGION.IT IS THE REASON THAT ANTARCTICA IS BECAME A FROZEN DESERT TO BEGIN WITH, WAY BACK IN THE WAY WHEN THE DRAKE PASSAGE OPENED UP BETWEEN IT AND SOUTH AMERICA. THE ELEVATOR FROM ALL THE ICE JUST MAKES IT THAT MUCH WORSE.NOW, LETS COMPARE THAT WITH THE NORTHERN COASTS OF NORWAY. MUCH TO SURPRISE OF MANY WHO DON'T KNOW BETTER, THE SEAS ARE LARGELY ICE FREE BECAUSE OF THE GULF STREAM.SO, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON (LET'S BLAME WIZARDS) THE WHERE TO BE AN ISTHMUS CONNECTING SOUTH AMERICAN AND ANTARCTICA, THAT ENTIRE ISTHMUS AND A GOOD DEAL OF THAT WEIRD LOOKING PENINSULA IN ANTARCTICA WOULD BE FAR MORE HOSPITABLE TO HUMAN LIFE.
>>26400239Pretty cool, I actually had been wondering why it was so warm there and so cold in gas-huffer land despite them being at similar latitudes.
>>26400239I TOTALLY MEAN "ELEVATION" THERE. IN NO WAY AM IMPLYING THAT PENGUINS HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE ELEVATORS. THAT WOULD BE ABSURD.
>>26400307Are you also writing up a post to explain which parts of my map should be warmer than they actually are? I'd quite appreciate that.Also, any good resources for learning about ocean currents? Because I haven't factored that in, at all, up till now. Mostly due to laziness.
>>26398856How much of that can be covered in one day? Or rather, how far can a horse travel in one day if you're not riding it too hard? You don't want to make a nice map only to find out that it would take your PCs ten years to travel from one side to the other, or only ten days.
>>26400239Are you Mr. Rage?
>>26400372NEGATIVE. BUT I KNOW THE GUY AND I JUST FELT LIKE SPERGING ABOUT MAPS IN ALL CAPS CAUSE I'M LIKE THAT.>>26400372AT 100x100 MILE SCALE IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF SOUTHERN PART OF GREECE. ATHENS AND SPARTA AND THE CLUSTER FUCK OF ISLANDS DOWN THERE.>>26400329FIRING UP PHOTOSHOP.
>>26400372From the Cartographers' Guild:On Roads / trailsLevel or rolling terrain: 65 km/dayHilly terrain: 50 km/dayMountainous terrain: 30 km/dayOff-Road (or unkempt trails etc)Level/rolling grasslands: 50 km/dayHilly grasslands: 40 km/dayLevel/rolling forest/thick scrub: 30 km/dayVery hilly forest/thick scrub: 25 km/dayUn-blazed Mountain passes: 15 km/dayMarshland: 15 km/dayOf course you'll get different opinions depending on where you ask. Also note that modern horses can probably travel farther due to superior breeding or whatever. I would use this as a baseline, and then go lower for poor-quality horses, higher for high-quality horses. Much higher if you have a kind of "relay" with lots of fresh horses at certain points to swap out, as these times assume you're not riding your horse to death and are taking normal breaks.Note that I converted the values to their closest multiple of five in SI equivalent because imperial is garbage.
>>26400530Man, I use Imperial.
>>26400576Please don't, it makes you look American.
>>26400643I can't help it. I am American. Also, it works better for a fantasy medieval universe. Same reason I say they use coins of precious metal rather than paper bills. Unless I set it in a wuxia kingdom.
>>26400700>Also, it works better for a fantasy medieval universe.Well, I can actually agree with that.Except for temperatures. Farenheit's good if you're dealing with a primarily naval nation that would care about salt water. Elsewise, Celsius.
Keeping thread alive.
>>26400329OKAY SO AFTER A FAIR BIT OF DERPING ABOUT I FEEL SORTA-KINDA-SAFE SAYING THAT FOR THE MOST PART THE ONLY PLACE YOU NEED TO WARM UP IS THAT PART UP IN THE NORTH.ITS HARDLY EXACT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OCEAN GYRES WITH OUT ACTUALLY BULLSHITTING TOGETHER A SIMULATED MODEL.AS FOR READING ABOUT THEM, I WOULD SUGGEST STARTING WITH WIKIPEDIA AND THEN GOING FROM THERE.NOTE: SINCE YOU SAID YOU WANTED THE TRADE WINDS REVERSED THEN THE PLANETS ROTATION HAS TO BE REVERSED AS WELL. WHICH MEANS THE OCEAN CURRENTS ARE REVERSED ALONG WITH IT.I AM ASSUMING THE AXIAL TILT IS THE SAME AS EARTH, AS THAT DETERMINES WHERE THINGS LIKE THE TROPICS AND ARCTIC/ANTARCTIC CIRCLES ARE.
>>26401437How would having a fuck-massive plateau with a temperate climate in the center of a continent work out? I put deserts south of it, savannah-esque plains to the west behind a wall of mountains, and something temperate to the east that bumps up against a large ocean with a large warming current.
>>26398856I... I want you to science my continent, anon-kun.
>>26401437>THE ONLY PLACE YOU NEED TO WARM UP IS THAT PART UP IN THE NORTH.Which part up north?>NOTE: SINCE YOU SAID YOU WANTED THE TRADE WINDS REVERSED THEN THE PLANETS ROTATION HAS TO BE REVERSED AS WELL.Already done, though I hadn't actually known for sure if it was necessary. In fact one of the larger nations along the west coast of the central continent even call themselves the "Sun Coast" (haven't translated it yet) due to the sun, from their point of view (at the time they named themselves they weren't aware there was land further west), rising for them first.>I AM ASSUMING THE AXIAL TILT IS THE SAME AS EARTH, AS THAT DETERMINES WHERE THINGS LIKE THE TROPICS AND ARCTIC/ANTARCTIC CIRCLES ARE.Assuming it's the same as well. Or similar at least.
What program did OP use for that map
Come on caps lock guy.
>>26401633>Which part up north?THE PART ABOVE THAT AREA YOU'VE NAMED. THAT ONE IS LIKELY TO BE DEVOID OF TUNDRA. THERE COASTS OF THE NORTHERN CONTINENT AROUND THAT AREA MIGHT BE TAIGA OR SIMILARLY CHILLY IF HABITABLE LAND.>>26401526HERE ON EARTH WE CALL THAT THE TIBETAN PLATEAU. IT CREATES MONSOONS DUE TO THE MASSIVE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE NEARBY SEAS AND THE LAND. GO LOOK AT INDIA AND CHINA FOR REAL LIFE EXAMPLES.>>26401526GOOD. AT LEAST YOU DIDNT DO THE DUMBEST THING EVER AND PUT A DESERT ON THE EAST COAST. GO LOOK AT EARTH. DESERTS NEVER APPEAR ON EASTERN COASTS (RARE CIRCUMSTANCES EXCEPTED)>>26402952I AM MAKING A LASAGNA. IT HAS WHITE SAUCE, WHICH I HAVE TO MAKE MYSELF SINCE TOMATOES WILL KILL ME.
>>26402528IF I HAD TO GUESS I WOULD SAY PHOTOSHOP, LIKELY USING ONE OF THE MANY METHODS OF USING RENDER CLOUDS/DIFFERENCE CLOUDS TO ACCOMPLISH A PSEUDO-RANDOM COAST LINE.
>>26403145>THE PART ABOVE THAT AREA YOU'VE NAMED. THAT ONE IS LIKELY TO BE DEVOID OF TUNDRA. THERE COASTS OF THE NORTHERN CONTINENT AROUND THAT AREA MIGHT BE TAIGA OR SIMILARLY CHILLY IF HABITABLE LAND.Ah. So not the northern polar continent I wasn't sure if you meant that one or the one you referred to here, although I guess the northern polar continent being not frozen would be silly.Is there any way to justify having the highlighted area here (and I suppose the peninsula to the far west, which isn't included in this image) be really cold?>I AM MAKING A LASAGNA. IT HAS WHITE SAUCE, WHICH I HAVE TO MAKE MYSELF SINCE TOMATOES WILL KILL ME.Sorry. I wasn't sure if you were gone or whatever but wanted to keep the thread alive in case you were coming back.
>>26399595>I'm looking around for basically all Photoshop parchment/paper texturing techniques I can find.seriously?there are a shitload of free to use textures. just get a paper/pergament texture and pick an approptiate blend mode to overlay it.or multiply your map onto the texture.
>>26403553YES THAT. IF YOU WANT IT TO BE COLDER THEN IT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE A HIGHER ELEVATION. PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE REGION IS COMPOSED OF VERY ANGRY MOUNTAINS WITH A LOT OF SHEER CLIFFS.THE NORTHERN POLAR CONTINENT WOULD STILL BE COLD AS FUCK BUT ITS COAST WOULD NOT BE PERPETUALLY FROZEN OVER. IT WOULD BE LIKE COASTAL GREENLAND AND SVALBARD.
... Did Mr. Rage come back and is no longer tripfagging?Or is this guy just SUPER FUCKING ENTHUSED ABOUT EVERYTHING?
>>26404050I AM SUPER FUCKING ENTHUSED ABOUT GETTING TO SPERG ABOUT MAPS.
>>26404077Please, someone, archive this thread. It is late where I am and I don't want to lose this.
>>26404029>YES THAT. IF YOU WANT IT TO BE COLDER THEN IT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE A HIGHER ELEVATION. PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE REGION IS COMPOSED OF VERY ANGRY MOUNTAINS WITH A LOT OF SHEER CLIFFS.Sweet. I wanted it to basically be a freezing hostile mountainous shithole, so that's gonna be the way it is.Skybox sorta related.
>>26404290THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE OF THERE BEING A FEW SWEET SPOTS ON THE COAST THAT A TOWN OR VILLAGE COULD SET UP SHOP ON. IT'D BE SHITTY AND FOLD LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS THE MOMENT SOMEONE WITH A REAL ARMY SHOWED UP THOUGH KEEPING IT UNDER CONTROL FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME WITH OUT A PERMANENT GARRISON WOULD BE NIGH IMPOSSIBLE.
>>26404417Actually the whole region there is pretty much one (very large, geographically) nation, held together initially by a very inflexible religion, and later by an extremely good rail network (not that the religion went away, although it did cede some authority to the central government).Thanks for all the feedback, by the way. With Dr Baron von Evilsatan off wherever he's gone off to, there aren't a whole lot of people on /tg/ anymore with advice about climate and geography and all that.
Alright, back on /tg/, had some sleep, time to check my th->MORE SCIENCEOH GOD>>26402528>>26402996Yeah, >>26403304 got it. I use photoshop to make my maps. I render clouds to get my coastlines, but rather than just rolling with whatever the render gives me, I take a while selecting different bits and pieces then putting them together to get what I want.What I usually do is draw around my renders with a calligraphic brush to get a smooth coastline. I used a simpler/quicker method to get these ones, hence why they're not anti-aliased: I'll fix that up when I can, but it'll take a while.
Damn, this thread lived a long time.
>>26409573>Purple nationWhy hello there