How do French naming conventions work, /tg/?I'm trying to make a character clearly inspired by French nobility, but I also want to make his name "make sense," that is, not be the French equivalent of "Gregus Hoffensteinus."Personal name and surname I understand, but there's clearly more when referring to French blue bloods. Like, what does everything past Charles Ogier in Charles Ogier de Batz de Castelmore, Comte d'Artagnan mean?
>>27004334Alright, let's break this down for you.>CharlesPersonal name>OgierSurname>deDe in French means "of," primarily used when referring to lineage. For this reason "Batz" can be assumed to mean the surname of his father.>CastelmoreThis one was tricky. Normally the second "de X" would reference the mother's surname; hence why the person you're using would be referred to as Charles de Batz-Castelmore. However, Castemore was the name of the family estate, which means Charles's father would be d'Castelmore... However Charles is using it in this case as part of his name.>ComteThat means he's a Count.>d'Artagnan"Of Artagnan," which when combined with Comte means "Count of Artagnan."So in total, it's "Charles Oglier of House Batz of Castelmore, Count of Artagnan."
>>27004473Learn something new every day.I'm not even OP, I just stumbled onto this and now I've got some of that sweet second-hand knowledge. Cheers Anon.
>>27004473/tg/Language and Linguistics
>>27004473Actually you also forgot to point out an important tidbit for someone making up a character.d'X is only used when the land title begins with a vowel, such as d'Orleans or d'Artagnan. Everywhere else uses "de," examples being Charles de Berry, or Charles de Normandy.
>>27004605Good timesAlso, if you want to fuck with a frenchman, say that you had nordic parents that your name is "Host" (o = oe sound, means Harvest)...because french grammar goes like this:>an H at the start of a word is always silent>o doesn't exist for them... and the common french man doesn't into second languages normally>and 'st' endings of words are also silentSo either way it'd be really hard for them say that name...
>>27004663Yeah, French doesn't like having words that end with vowels followed by words that start with vowels, if it can avoid it.
don't forget our favorite /tg/ story related frenchman noble: Guy of GisbourneGuy, as a french name, is pronounced like you're saying "Guido" - without the 'do'
>>27004334>How do French naming conventions work, /tg/?add about double the amount of consonants that you actually need, never pronounce any of them, then say the name through your nose.that should be close enough.
>>27004674Wasn't there a French film called O?Also they'd be fine up around the Swiss and German borders, there are a lof of French people with German (or Germanic) names. Even some place names.
>>27004674>o doesn't exist in FrenchCome again?He'd probably end up pronouncing it as "oh" or "eau". So your surname has gone from "Harvest" to "Water".
>>27004334>Gregus HoffensteinusThanks for the new character name, OP
>>27004663>>27004473Another example, Louis de Rouvroy, chevalier, duc de Saint-Simon, pair de France>LouisPersonal name>De RouvroyOf Rouvroy, since his father held "de Rouvroy," that means it's a direct land title, possibly where he was born.>ChevalierDenotes he's part of the Knightly order>Duc de Saint-SimonDuke of Saint-Simon>Pair De FrancePeer of France, meaning he's a big-dick hotshot of the highest order.So in total it's Louis of Rouvroy, Knight, Duke of Saint-Simon, Peer of France.
>>27004718>>27004724>>27004674sorry - I'm a scandibro - we have three unique letters that 4chan doesn't apparently showI didn't write O (as in Open) I wrote this letter:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98
>not knowing what Comte meansI bet OP is American.
out of general curiosity Louise Françoise Le Blanc de La Vallièrehow does this one work out. I have a vague impression of what each means but I am curious if any are titles like the ones given above.
>>27004718>Wasn't there a French film called O?There's a French book called O. It doesn't have a lot to do with names.
>>27004691>don't forget our favorite /tg/ story related frenchman noble: Guy of GisbourneI think you mean 'La Maupin'.
>>27004975americans actually have that 'letter' but to us its a zero. it's fallen out of favor in these days of the internets, but it used to be pretty unbiqitous as it helped differenciate 0, from O, in a time when pixel space was limited, and handwriting varied.
>>27005022Well de La Valliére is a land title but I think it was created for the historical person so I'm not sure it counts.
>>27005022Louise is her personal name.Françoise Le Blanc... I'm not really sure. From the position it should be her family name, but Le Blanc means "The White."It should come out as Louise Francoise "the white" of La Valliére.
>>27004975It's basically the same as ö.
>>27005177Louise Francoise L'blanc de La Valliére
>>27005058>Unlike in the Scandinavian vowel 'O' and the "empty set" symbol 'O', the slash of a slashed zero usually does not extend past the ellipse in most typographic designs.
>>27005286You would actually only do the L' when the word following is a vowel.L'oreal is an example, while the one you gave would be "Le Blanc." Same with De and d'
>>27005331Huh, 4chan really doesn't display it.It displays it in the "type text here" box, though.
>This entire threadSo what we've learned from this is that French naming is a clusterfuck of information.Are there any other cultures with naming conventions this massive?
>>27005378>Are there any other cultures with naming conventions this massive?Muslim.>My name is Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan Ibn Al Abbas Ibn Rashid Ibn Hamad. >Well, we're gonna call you "Ibn".
>>27005378It does serve a purpose, these title filled names. Your titles, house and what lands you own are all personal and political shorthand. Good for noble gatherings. It lets other people in the room know roughly where you stand on various things, sounds impressive, and makes you appear important; all of which were good when jockeying for position at a gathering of aristocrats.
>>27005453If I recall correctly, "Ibn" means "son of" or something similar. So it describes his lineage.
>>27005378Welcome to noble shit. French aren't the only ones. Here's something british:Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
>>27005710Yeah, it's "son of". It depends on the situation what your full name is, but it's pretty straighforward, like old Finnish naming convention:Matti Simonpoika Matti = First nameSimo = His fathers name-n = -s Poika = son of
>>27005453Hebrew is even worse.>My name is Yiseskhar Bar Geburah Ish Kha'il Ben Caleb Ben Sara't Ben Shim'on Ha'elati.>Your name, your professions, your title, your place of origin, the name of your father and the name of his father - assuming you're a simpleton.
>Inviting ouiaboos to nitpick your French and call you names for not being native speakers.You are flirting with disaster and I will have no part of it.I still have nightmares about high school French.
>>27005378Arabic names are like this too.
>tfw you'll never have an impressive name that takes more than 5 seconds to sayBeing a modern American is suffering.
>>27005915Well, technically nothing's preventing you from inserting the names of your ancestors and your homeland into your official name. People will just look at you funny. "Hey Steve -""EXCUSE ME? MY NAME IS STEVEN SCHMIDT SON OF JOHN SON OF BOB SON OF EDWIN OF MINNEAPOLIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH"
>>27005957Don't forget your profession."I am Steve Schmidt the Gas Jockey Son of John the Librarian Son of Bob the Police Officer Son of Edwin the Hobo of Minneapolis!"
>>27005981Add peer and country there too."I am Steve Schmidt the Gas Jockey Son of John the Librarian Son of Bob the Police Officer Son of Edwin the Hobo, of Minneapolis, Peer of Minnesota Vikings, Citizen of United State of America!"
>>27005915>Broadcasting your title and position to your enemies.>2013 * 1
>>27006031And now you're ready to go slay a dragon.
>>27006031Clearly the days of Bob were the golden times of the dynasty.
>>27005606But doesn't it kind of lose its impact when everyone is doing it?
>>27005816I heard that the Queen has so many titles that if she's ever late to an event, the crier (or whatever he's called) just keeps reading off the list until she comes in.Is this true or am I an idiot?
>>27006197I can see it happening. She's got a lot of lands and titles she nominally controls.
>>27006157That's where the beauty of one-up-manship comes. >"Ooh, he has a nice title.">"OOOOH, He has a better one.">"Holy shit of king, that's the prince!"
>>27005378If you aren't nobility, French naming is typical first name last name shit.
>>27004334ctr+fNo Marquis de Sadé I am dissapoint
>>27006197I'm pretty sure that's a joke.
>>27004473Why would someone's surname be different from their father's surname?
>>27006387Maybe something to do with inheritance?I dunno, I'm not a noble scholar or anything.
>>27006379Yeah, because if he really had to go over them all, the event would be over by the time he's done.
>>27005453>Ibn, that works for me.
>>27005378All this shit's pretty standard. What's really fucked up is Portuguese nobility naming conventions where the baby would have one given name for every day that passes between birth and baptism. So you would get something like this:Luís Filipe Maria Fernando Pedro de Alcântara António Miguel Rafael Gabriel Gonzaga Xavier Francisco de Assis João Augusto Júlio Valfando de Saxe-Coburgo-Gotha e Bragança,
>>27006814Oh god, really?That's just...I have no words
>>27006814Miranda Vera Cruz De La Hoya Cardinal.
>>27005177Actually, French people also do multiple first names. They're usually hyphenated but can sometimes not be. So Louise Françoise could be her whole first name.
Wasn't there a period of time where people would put whole sentences (generally along a religious theme) into the middle of their kids' names?
>>27007159I'm sure some language did.
>>27005022Louise (first name) (françoise (second first name because there was another Louise, probably her mother or grandmother) le Blanc (family name) de la Vallière (direct land title, meaning she was the daughter of at least a knight)
>>27004674I'm French and I have a few objections.>an H at the start of a word is always silentNo, it isn't. The H is sometimes spoken. Especially for obviously non-French names. When I read "Hans", I think "Hans", not "ans".>o doesn't exist for them... and the common french man doesn't into second languages normallyWhat the fuck are you talking about ? Though I admit the part about the common french man sucking at second languages.>and 'st' endings of words are also silentI can't think of a single French word ending with a silent st. Or of a "silent st" at all.Take the word "host". In French, it's an old word of "army". It's pronounced "ost". Other examples : est (east), ballast, test...However, some words used to end with "st", but the "s" was merged with the previous vowel. Of course, it isn't pronounced. But that's just because it's not there anymore. Example : mât (pole).
>>27007159The closest I remember reading was the Hawaiian tribes. They didn't had documents properly said, so they couldn't keep a record of who owned what, and who was the ruler in somewhere.So, there was a profession, a bard lets call it, whose only purpose was to memorize and repeat the genealogy of every important figure, going as far as possible. So, basically, when two guys had an argument over ownership of certain land, they would call the bards and each will recite the entire genealogy."This is X, son of Y, son of Z, who is descendant of A and B, daughter of C, ruler of that island by direct lineage of D, son of E, married to F and twin brother to G, both born within H and I marriage, being I the son of J, etc."
>>27006087Pfft, more like Bob was living off the successful policy reforms set in place by Edwin.
>>27007256Oh right. That's one example. Can you think of any others ?
>>27007286Not off the top of my head, no. Honnêtement, je parle tellement peu français ces temps-ci...
>>27006387I assume it's a "cadet" branch.Just so everyone understands what that means, a cadet branch is the family of a noble's YOUNGER brothers. The eldest brother inherited the family name, but the younger brothers were forced to get their own family name.
>>27007159>>27007175I don't think so. People who lived in the same neighborhood could easily tell one Bob from the other by using a single nickname or surname.Long-ass names were only needed in official documents that were used by people who needed an objective way to avoid confusing people they had never met.
>>27006087>>27007285Clearly the reign of John the Librarian ushered in far more of a golden age than either the reign of Bob or Edwin.
>>27007226>>27007231OP here.If you're still around; how would I properly name the eldest son of a Duke (which is what this character is.)Would it be (Personal Name) (Family Name) de/d' (Family lands?)
>>27005915Just use lots of hyphenated names.Makes your name long and fancy and makes you look like a good progressive.
>>27007365Hmm, sounds alright. What would be the actual name?
I'm really curious, but how would castle names, names of Chateaus, or what-have-ye work in French?
>>27007295Well I just researched the 41 French words ending in -st .Most are of foreign origin : test, must (must-have), trust (as in anti-trust laws), breakfast, post, twist, podcast, playlist, permafrost, glasnost, christ... The -st is always pronounced.The only one where the -st was silent is "est", and only when it is the verb (not the noun that means "east").
>>27006359*Sade>>27004674H isn't always silent in french... Well in fact it is, but sometimes it is implied by the phonetic link between the preceding consonnant and the h-beginning word.There are several ways of pronouncing "o" in French, I don't see your point. If it's a wet "e" I think we can also handle it quite well. Also, we prononce "st" in words such as "ouest"
>>27007365(Personal) (Family) de (Father) d'(Lands)
>>27007381Well... very instinctively.Newcastle ? Châteauneuf (castle + new).
>>27007159English does, my full name has something like 5 words in it, including the Junior.
>>27007226Daughter of a duke AND a knight, as I recall
Another thing regarding Arabaic - what does the particle "al" stand for? I.e. in Harun al-Rashid.
>>27007378>What would be the actual name?As in the name of the character himself?I haven't actually worked out a name for the Duchy itself or specific holdings, but the characters first name is Renauld and his dynasty is Cheval (I was going to go with Chevalier or Chevauchée, but that might've been even cornier than just chopping off some words for "Knight.")So if I'm following this right, it would be Renauld Cheval d'/de (name of primary holding) or would it be (name of primary title, in this case duchy?)
>>27007432Harun al-Rashid means Harun the Guide. Rashid is one of the 99 names of Allah.
>>27007432"Al" means "The". "Ib" means "Son of"."Abu" means "Father of".
>>27007403>Snookie Putain de Chienne d'OrleansDoes that name made sense in French?
>>27007432I think al means the. As in Al-cohol and Al-chemy.
>>27007365Nomally it would be:-First name-(optional second first name to differenciate from others with same first name)DE/D'- land title(s),- nobility title (knight or count)DE/D'- nobility land tiltle of his father,- Optional extra title
>>27007403Using d'+consonant sounds retarded. It doesn't even sound archaic (even though it is), it just sounds like peasant talk.Use de + consonant and d'+vowel.Result :First name Surname de Landsor, if you really want a long oneFirst name Surname de Father de Lands + various titles (chevalier [knight] de Whatever, duc [duke] de Idontcare...)
>>27007452So "al" can more or less be translated to "the" in the sense of a title ?
>>27007458Hm, yeah, it does.
>>27007458It would mean "Sooki Whore of Bitch, from Orleans"
>>27007466Yup, pretty much.
>>27007466I guess it's like "el" in Spanish.
>>27007474Well, Snookie is a whore, and a bitch.
>>27007463Ah, forgot the damn family name just before the first DE/D'!Stupid me...
>>27007474Nah, not really. The "Putain de chienne" is more "bitchwhore" than "whore of bitch". We don't use as much portmanteau words in French, whereas English loves them.
>>27007432It's just "the", isn't it?
>>27005453Back in high school, I knew a pair of middle eastern identical twins named "Ibn" and "Ivan". It wasn't until I was older and smarter that I learned how fucking retarded that was.
>>27007441>Renauld ChevalI hope you don't have any French players, because that sounds peasant as fuck.>>27007502I didn't say she wasn't.>>27007462And for those who think he's making fun of you, he isn't.
>>27007457Is there a difference between "Ib" as "son of" and "ben" as "son of"?
>>27007231As a dude who studied French, all I have to say is that your language is ridiculously unphoentic.NONE of the words sound like how they are spelled. I mean, jesus, English is bad, but French takes it to a whole new level.
>>27007441>ChevalHeh, use "Cavalier" if you don't want to use "Chevalier" (which is an acceptable and normal French name).
>>27007557France just likes to use 20 letters to write down a two vowel word.Now, on the other hand, you have languages were "Smrklja" is a valid word.
>>27007582Well, it has a vowel.
>>27007557Meanwhile, Mother Latin lies crying in a corner. What has she done to deserve such a daughter?
>>27007591Well, yeah, but look at it, that's complete horse shit
>>27007582Oh, and "chmrlj". And "zvrst". Hell, death is "smrt".
>>27007582For some reason, I want to pronounce that "smirkla"Is that wrong?Also, what language is it?
>>27007557At least, Frenach sort of has rules for that. English is just a collection of moslty loanwords read however the fuck they please.
>>27007603Let herself be conquered and perverted by barbarian swine.
>>27007557The story of the "Académie Française" in a nutshell: why make it simple when it can be complicated?
>>27007548"Ibn" is Arabic. "Ben" is Hebrew. Similar languages, but you'd be wise not to confuse them around native speakers of either.
>>27007582I don't know why everybody needs vowels so much.ts nt lk ts hrd t ndrstnd
>>27007639Nah, they've simplified a shitload of things. They just clamp down on loanwords.
>>27007557>>27007603Well... I'm used to it, since it's my language... But I see your point. Sorry, I guess ?
>>27007582You think that's bad. The now extinct Ubykh language had 84 consonant sounds and only 2 vowels.
>>27007662Forgetting the "s" wrecked everything.
>>27007662The aforementioned Hebrew and Arabic don't even use vowels in the more common English sense of the word. I mean, there are vowels, but generally they're only ever used when they're needed to make a distinct sound. Otherwise, you do without them. So for example, the Hebrew word דלת ("Deleth" - "Door") is actually written "DLTH" (the "TH") sound is made by a single letter in Hebrew - as you can see, there are only three in the word, after all).
>>27007557>implying english is even remotely phoneticghoti ghoughpteighbteauhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6JzYkj5Pns
>>27007686Well I'm told that hebrew or arabic (I don't remember if it's one of them or both) doesn't have any vowels at all, you jst wrt lk ths and then make up your own pronounciation.
>>27007619It's not far off - it's kind of like smurrrklya. It means a snot-nosed teenage girl.It's slovenian, and we're awfully fond of the "schwa", the vowel in durrrrrr. Except we never actually write it down, so you can say something like "strd" (something that has hardened or congealed) and put in a lot of schwas in to make it pronouncable.The other thing we like to do a lot is put Schch in all the words we can - I had a lot of fun tutoring this afghani refugee in math, and trying to get him to pronounce "prese-chischche", meaning an intersection of two lines.
>>27007662g bck t rddt fggt
>>27007717See >>27007708It's actually both of them.
>>27006197... I don't think Her Majesty the Queen has 'ever' been late for anything.She is one heck of a hardworking monarch. She won't even take time off to get knee surgery because she doesn't want to miss a day of work. She gave up her daily horse riding instead
German here - stop arguing or I'll bombard you with compound words.
>>27007755What does the Queen actually do?
>>27007710>GhotiThis is such horseshit.That's not how English worksIt'd be pronounced like "Goaty"
>>27007755what does she even -do- anyway
>>27007769you know, monarch things
>>27007662Sh shld hv dd hrftr; Thr wld hv bn tm fr sch wrd. Tmrrw, nd tmrrw, nd tmrrw, Crps n ths ptt pc frm dy t dy, T th lst sllbl f rcrdd tm; nd ll r ystrdys hv lghtd fls Th wy t dst dth. t, t, brf cndl! Lf's bt wlkng shdw, pr plyr Tht strts nd frts hs hr pn th stg nd thn s hrd n mr. t s tl Tld by n dt, fll f snd nd frOne internet to whoever figure out the source of that speech.
>>27007731It's like the classic French tonguetwister.Les chaussettes de l'archiduchesse sont elles sèches, archisèches ?
>>27007759Are you >implying you can do anything to stop us, mein neger?
>>27007755Britbong spotted. Are you seriously trying to make us give a fuck about your queen ?>>27007759Being allowed to create potentially infinite words is plain cheating.
>>27007660What? Karl May lied to me?For reference, Karl May was a german writer who wrote about his adventures among the Arabs, where he had an awesome sidekick called Hajji Halef Omar, and they fought corruption and slavery and stuff.Everyone called Karl May "Kara ben Nemsi" 'cause he was German.
>>27007731To further elaborate: you don't make up your own pronunciation, there are vast (and extremely complicated) grammatical systems in place with numerous, numerous subsystems and sub-subsystems and sub-sub-subsystems covering just about any possible circumstance possible that say exactly how an unknown word needs to be pronounced. Most people, of course, don't bother learning them and just stick to remembering by heart the pronunciation of several thousand commonly used ones and just gamble on the others. Or, in Hebrew, they can use Niqqud, which is a clever little system of dots and lines placed around and inside the letters to say exactly how you say them. (not sure if Arabic has an equivalent, my Hebrew is way better than my Arabic)
>>27007755As much as I dislike monarchies, I'll give her that. Elizabeth II is one hell of a workhorse.
>>27007798Hey, how do yo do that again? The green implying in the middle of the sentence?
>>27007794MacBeth's soliloquy. Too easy.
>>27007796Un chasseur sachant chasser sans son chien est un bon chasseur sachant chasser sans chien?
>>27007814You do it >like this of course.Stuff [spoiler,] [/spoiler,] >stuff more stuff.The spaces are important.
>>27006197>>27007755As far as monarchs go I dont care much for them. However Queen Elizabeth is pretty badass.>Tfw she volunteered during the WW2 along with everyone else. >Tfw her convoy was stopped by the french.>Tfw the officer upon realizing who she is offers her a seat and she refuses saying it belongs to the servicemen.Not sure the exact story but ti was something like that.There's a reason she's The Most Fearsome Woman in Europe and the Iron Monarch.
>>27007839Sorry should be a second set of [spoiler,] [/spoiler,] after the >stuff.
>>27007839Shit, the proper answer is >lurk moar, faggot , not giving the answer outright away.
>>27007839Oh, I guess I couldn't do it because I didn't use the space. Well >thanks for that mein freind.
>>27007864Guess I fucking suck at this. Oh well.
>>27007856But Anon, but Anon! If everybody just said >lurk moar faggot then the lurkers would never figure it out.
>>27007810Well, with slovenian, there's the divenly received correct pronounciation as handed down by the ministry for the protection of the national language...and then there's the 48 various dialects (which is too fucking many for a language only spoken by 2 million people) who all do their own thing, so it's not a question of "how do you pronounce this correctly", it's more of a "what particular valley or village are you from".
>>27007856>>27007839That's why I asked in a helpful kind of thread where civilized discussion took place. I've been meaning to ask that for months. Literally. Let me try again, >stumpfuck .
>>27007917Bravo, anon. Just to note something: green text can go anywhere, even at the end of the phrase. The second space is just because green text in the middle is >cool
>>27007557Most of english's unphonetic nature can be blamed on the Normans.>>27007710Neither of those are words and they were created by someone who does not understand how english phonetics works.
>>27007956I actually like to use it as a means of inline quoting.
Do you need to use it for inline quoting?Testing >>27007983 testing.
>>27007794Wht th fck dd jst fckng sy bt m, lttle btch? I’ll hv knw grdtd tp f m clss n th Nv Sls, nd ’v bn nvlvd n nmrs scrt rds n l-Qd, nd hv vr 300 cnfrmd klls. I m trnd n grll wrfr nd ’m th tp snpr n th ntr S rmd frcs. r nthng t m bt jst nthr trgt. I wll wp th fck t wth prcsn th liks f whch hs nvr bn sn bfr n ths rth, mrk m fckng wrds. thnk cn gt w wth syng tht sht t m vr th ntrnt? Thnk gn, fckr. s w spk m cntctng m scrt ntwrk f sps crss th S nd yr P s bng trcd rght nw s y bttr prpr fr th strm, mggt. Th strm tht wps t th pthtc lttle thng cll r lf. ’r fckng dd, kd. cn b nwhr, ntm, nd cn kll n vr svn hndrd ws, nd tht’s jst wth m br hnds. Nt nl m xtnsvl trnd n nrmd cmbt, bt hv ccss t th ntr rsnl f th ntd Stts Mrn Crps nd wll s t t ts fll xtnt t wp r msrbl ss ff th fc f th cntnnt, lttl sht. f nl cld hv knwn wht nhl rtrbtn r lttl “clvr” cmmnt ws bt t brng dwn pn , mb wld hv hld r fckng tng. Bt cldn’t, ddn’t, nd nw ’r pyng th prc, gddmn dt. wll sht fr ll vr nd y wll drwn n t. ’r fckng dd, kdd.
>>27008004I don't "need" to use it, but as >>27007956 said, >green text in the middle is cool>>27008011I hope you used regex to do that, Anon.
>>27008032I thought about it halfway through, so I kept going. Even though I would have saved time, even for half of the job. Fuck this shit.
>>27005378Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar. You know, El Cid.
>>27006814how about fucking no. get your portuguese shit out of here.
I knew this would come in handy someday.
>>27005904>>Inviting ouiaboos to nitpick your French and call you names for not being native speakers.> ouiaboosThat a thing ? Fichtre.>>27007410>ChâteauneufThat's an actual thing.>>27007441>Renauld Cheval>>27007576 is right, Cheval sound stupid as a name for a French.
>>27008601>ouiaboosMostly in /co/ and /a/. Little do they know that we're actually French people trying to inflict our culture upon them! HAHAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
>>27008374>saved>now waiting for the day when it will come in handylike 95% of the pdfs I save from /tg/
>>27008671I have a .pdf about poison making, and tanning hides.What do you have in your collection?
>>27008734Not him, but I have a lot of pdfs about farming. Also, religions.
>>27004334You should take a look at Persian and Arabic naming conventions. That stuff gets crazy really quick.
>>27008734We probably have the same one about poisons (I found it on /tg/). Also, stuff about traps during the vietnam war.
>>27008734>and tanning hidesI'm making grabby hands at the screen, pls.
>>27008734most of them are rules, if you are interested you should check the pdf-threads that are running from time to time
>>27007557That is incorrect. If you see the word written in French, you know how to pronounce it (barring words from foreign languages, and a slight variations in the 'o' sound which has to do with regional accents). What is horrible in French is the reverse. If you hear one word, it is hard to guess how you should spell it.If you disagree, check the many many sounds any vowel or diphthong in English (with my most favorite, 'ou')
>>27005378How about English? This was the title of Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington as stated during his funeral.Arthur, Duke and Marquess of Wellington, Marquess Douro, Earl of Wellington, Viscount Wellington and Baron Douro, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath, One of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, and Field Marshal and Commander-in-Chief of Her Majesty's Forces. Field Marshal of the Austrian Army, Field Marshal of the Hanoverian Army, Field Marshal of the Army of the Netherlands, Marshal-General of the Portuguese Army, Field Marshal of the Prussian Army, Field Marshal of the Russian Army, and Captain-General of the Spanish Army. Prince of Waterloo, of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo and Grandee of Spain of the First Class. Duke of Victoria, Marquess of Torres Vedras, and Count of Vimiera in Portugal. Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece, and of the Military Orders of St. Ferdinand and of St. Hermenigilde of Spain.(cont)
>>27009250Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of the Black Eagle and of the Red Eagle of Prussia. Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Teresa of Austria. Knight of the Imperial Orders of St. Andrew, St. Alexander Newski, and St. George of Russia. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Portuguese Military Order of the Tower and Sword. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal and Military Order of the Sword of Sweden. Knight of the Order of St. Esprit of France. Knight of the Order of the Elephant of Denmark. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. Knight of the Order of St. Januarius and of the Military Order of St. Ferdinand and of Merit of the Two Sicilies. Knight Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the Annunciation of Sardinia. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Military Order of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria. Knight of the Royal Order of the Rue Crown of Saxony, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Military Merit of Wurtemberg. Knight Grand Cross of the Military Order of William of the Netherlands. Knight of the Order of the Golden Lion of Hesse Cassel, and Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of Fidelity and of the Lion of Baden.
>>27008601Hey, Cheval is not that uncommon.Check here : http://www.ancestry.fr(website on French genealogy with nifty stats, sorry, in French only)
>>27007410Neuf is nine, not new.
>>27008621I'm exclusively on /tg/, so I only saw wakfu threads/derails. As long as we don't inflict them our culture on /tv/, we're still nice.
>>27009322We'll I'm French, so I know what the fuck I'm talking about.Neuf means nine, but it also means new as in "brand new", not as in "most recent". So you would use "neuf" for your new car, but not for "A New Hope".
>>27009250>>27009265Nothing weird about assloads of titles most kings and noblemen of note had them, some even held titles over metaphysical concepts like "Lord of Conquest, Navigation and Commerce of Ethiopia, Arabia, Persia and India".
>>27009322As a rule of thumb refrain from correcting people unless you speak the language fluently.
So, that's nobility.How about commoners? And how about a commoner that becomes a noble?
>>27007542>>27007576>>27008601Ok, so the name sucks.What would you guys recommend as a replacement name? If it's any help, the duchy he's heir to is essentially The Reach from Game of Thrones; very fertile, very populated, breeds the finest horses and has a very strong chivalric tradition (hell, the name of the duchy itself is fair game for me to choose.)The character himself is a Paladin with the Warrior of the Holy Light and Shining Knight archetypes. The background for the campaign is deities becoming associated with certain houses, and the PCs House's patron deity is the Sun God.
>>27009586Lacoc de Chevalier.
>>27009586I didn't say it sucked. It just sounds funny in French. But if you found it cool in the first place, your players will probably find it appropriate too.I was speaking from my point of view !
>>27007710Load of bullshit there man
>>27005378I made a 40k planet for a Dark Heresy campaign where class was determined by number of names according to a long rigid scheme. I could probably post a pic if you'd like.
>>27005036>mfw I googled La Maupin
>>27007779>>27007769A lot of diplomacy. She's essentially a constant ambassador for the UK and the government, acting within the UK too, for the best interest of the UK.Because of the British Empire, the UK has ties with many countries around the world and shares a joint history, the Royal Family work on that. Plus, the Queen's 60 odd years of reign means she's had a lot of experience with political matters that Prime Ministers and other MPs haven't. She's very well connected.Plus, people love power and the romantic idea of royalty, so they suck up to her.
>>27004334titles and birthplace
>>27007850>There's a reason she's The Most Fearsome Woman in Europe and the Iron Monarch.It's the weighted clothing. She's a female British Piccolo to the American Goku.
>>27009984...Knowing what thread is about, I still read that as "titties".
>>27009586'Cheval' really sounds strange, especially for a noble, it would more be a commoner's name.Also surnames weren't that much of a thing before Renaissance, you could easily go with "Renaud de X"/"Duc Renaud de X"
>>27007159Nicholas Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Barbon
>>27010242>Son of Praise-God BareboneAnd they wondered why we wanted the English out of Ireland. Not even the Welsh are this bad at naming.
>>27010242God-tier middle name.
>>27010020Bear in mind she's also a blooded hunter and is apparently a particularly good shot.
>>27010242sussex puritans in general, it seems, were big into those sorts of names.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clifflamere/Aid/AID-PuritanNaming.htm
"Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America" by David Hackett Fischer, cites the following from Sussex records:"Examination of ffly fornication Bull of Hailsham Single Woman taken ye 21 of september 1646 who sayeth shee is with childe by Nathaniel Huggett of Hailsham, husbandman - that the said Huggett lay with her a littell before the harvest last in Goodman Woodman's shop..."(available on google books)
>>27010506I would bone in Goodman Woodman's shop.
>>27010242Yes. That was the kind I was talking about.
>>27007159Slowpoke as hell, but whatever; it's relevant. My father, god rest his soul, was named Pedro Jose-Antonio de la Santisima Trinidad Coria Dominguez"de la Santisima Trinidad" meaning "of the Most Holy Trinity."We come from old Spanish families that used to hold titles and lands until Francisco Franco took over and we got the hell out of dodge.
>>27013946I was referring to the Puritan names mentioned above, which tended to include scary shit about hellfire and damnation and the eternal suffering of the unrighteous in the middle of their names.Y'know. As a reminder.
>>27014364Whereas your dad's name actually has a logical reason for being preposterously long, and doesn't contain complete sentences.
>>27004334Start up Crusader Kings 2, make a french character and then randomize name as desired
>tfw name is 30 characters long before adding any of these fancy titles
>>27009172Mind posting the poison one?
>>27007548Ibn is Arabic. Ben is Hebrew and Aramaic.
>>27007557That's because you're looking at it from an English-reading point of view. French pronunciation is almost always exactly according to the spelling, in my experience.
>>27015390>almost exactly according to spelling?Nigga what? French drop letters off of words like crazy, to the Anglophone ear.I mean, once you understand French pronunciation then the spelling fits, but someone reading French texts would not get the proper spelling 9 times out of 10 if they were not versed in the language.Even basic French words (such as nous, vous, voulez, and so on) are not pronounced as per their spelling to non-Francophones. To Francophones it looks like it's exactly according to spelling, but that's because they're following the rules of French pronunciation. For, say, an English speaker, the French don't often pronounce exactly - or even closely - to the spelling of words.Once you become fluent in French, or if you think of the language AS a Francophone rather than an Anglophone, then the spelling to pronunciation makes sense. But as an Anglophone, the connection between spelling and pronunciation in French can be nonsensical, at best.French spelling to pronunciation makes sense to the French. To everybody else it's pretty much "What did you do with the last three letters in that word?"See: any Beginning French/French 101 college course. The way people pronounce the language in those classes is terrible, and it's because they don't understand the Francophone way of reading and pronouncing words.
>>27007794Scottish Play. One of my favorite soliloquies.
>>27009412Of course, that used to be an actual claim, as those were in the Portuguese Sphere of Influence they agreed on with the Spanish.
Latin languages are silly in general. You know what sound a ж makes? It makes one fucking sound, and only that sound. Same with any other Cyrillic languages/letters. It's almost impossible to not be phonetic.
>>27013946I would like to think that a similar thing happened in Italy, but instead the nobles got out of doge.
>>27015844Well played, sir.
Linguistics nerd bump.
>>27015537>to the Anglophone earExactly. Going from spelling to pronunciation is much easier overall in French than in English.
>>27016518That is, it's easier for a native French speaker to pronounce a newly-encountered French word he sees written than it is for an English speaker to do the same with an English word. So say I'm French, and I see the word "arrondissement" for the first time. I'd know how to pronounce it correctly immediately. Whereas an Anglophone who reads the word "victuals" for the first time is unlikely to that it's pronounced "vittles".
>>27016639That was supposedly a way of testing for German infiltrators in the second world war. They'd give them a list of stupid English words (or, better yet, names like Featherstonehaugh) and see if they could actually read them.
Want to annoy Slavs/people who know Cyrillic?Неяеs нош.
>>27006814Fuck no man. My mom's name isn't that longOlga Maria Freya de CostaOlga Maria Freya of the CoastFirst name, Middle Name, Mother's surname, Father's surname/old title that means nothing past the Fascist revolution.Just like I am: Anon James De Costa Anon
>>27005904>ouiaboosIsn't it ouiabeaux?
>Mfw my full name means son of a sonI know that russian naming conventions are pretty technical as well, but I can't explain it.
>>27009172note for the brain tanning just remember that most animals have enough brains to preserve their own hide. its a good rule of thumb if you plan on tanning the deer or rabbit you just shot
>>27017180I lel'd slightly.Captcha: sensei mensisc
>>270043341. they're all named pier or gay shit like that.2. they're all faggots.3. they all smell, eat bagettes and are faggots.
daily reminder that if your language has less than 6 vowels and less than 2 accents (`, ^ and ´) it's a shitty language.>>27005378Spanish, catalan.
>>27008066Actually the full name isRodrigo Diaz De Vivar, El Cid Campeador.
Even America in the 30s had some pretty good names:'Frank Harrison President of the United States Eats His Lasses Candy and Swings on Every Gate Williams''Rosa Belle Locust Hill North Carolina Beauty Spot Evans''Shively Dewilder Accus Baccus Dulcido'http://www.futilitycloset.com/2013/03/06/roll-call-6/
>>27007731>>27007810>>27007885As someone non-Slovene who has had a lot of run ins with your language:I love and I hate your language at the same time, my own language (Danish) is terrible in its own right and just sound terrible at any given time - Slovenian sounds beautiful, but by the sweet love of God, trying to say anything in Slovenian is like spewing out a Scrabble board while your mouth is full of alphabet soup.Picture semi-related, I found a thread on an internet forum with "What if the whole world used Nordic-Cross flags?" as the subject. Now I just want to get this thing off my hands.
>>27019262>'Frank Harrison President of the United States Eats His Lasses Candy and Swings on Every Gate Williams'Yes, Excellent.I mean, it's no "Nicholas Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebon", but that's only because it's not threatening and depressing.
>>27022529It does get extra points for having a completely legitimate middle name immediately prior to the preposterous one though.
>tfw you're OP coming across your thread the next dayI booted up Crusader Kings 2 and looked around for some French counties/titles that would work (the best imitations have elements of the real thing, eh?) And, after using the advice you guys gave, I think I came up with something that doesn't sound wonky or silly to a native speaker.>Arnauld de ChalonOr, if I wanted to make it obvious what I'm going for:>Arnauld le pieux de Chalon (Considering he's supposed to be the premiere Paladin of his god.)