>Sorry guys I couldn't wait8th thread devoted to the glorious Star Krakens Chapter.>Fightan>Prayan>SquiddinThere's a number of Companies on the 1d4chan page that have absolutely nothing about them, we need to go over the whole thing with a fine tooth comb and get rid of everything that isn't still 'canon' with us.The map of the Deep was created in the last thread, with planet icons and everything. I propose we get that out of the way, it'll make for interesting ideas for the remainders of the companies.
>>27948478So this is what the friendly anon made up in the last thread.I think the yellow parts are the 'Spinward Deep', the part of the nebula that the Grendel and other forces would just skim in order to get away from whoever was chasing them.The dark part of the map should be the 'Tailing Deep', that is to say, the part of the Deep that everyone hates. It's an inky black nightmare with more or less nothing of repute in it (until now, that is).
OK so I may have made the thread too early, so what?Bumping with some of our drawfags.>Brother Master-and-Commander
>The Ancient Mariner>Our crotchety, insane Grandfather who floats around the Deep randomly.
>Grendel Weapons>The Grendel are the Chapter's white whale, almost bringing the whole Chapter to ruin after Achab went nuts trying to kill them all.>Turns out he was fighting the female Grendel. The male ones bond to them like parasites, turning into all sorts of erotic weaponry.
>Deep Denizens>A quick line up of the Marines and the Grendel for scale, along with a few other savory characters whom haven't been mentioned in fluff yet (unless I'm mistaken).
>Star Kraken Line>A number of our Brothers fighting side by side, showcasing some of the variants of armour and weapons available to the Chapter.
>>27948487MapAnon here. Just want to say that's a rough draft, I was just posting it so other Krakens could begin naming places and discussing sector lore.Like>Shrine World>>Marius>>>Dedicated to the Sororita who lead the crusade fleet to reclaim this area in M36, after the actual command vessel disappeared into the Deep, never to be seen again...
>Star Kraken Techpriest>A Techpriest who has achieved maximum squid on account of his many mechadendrites.
>>27948675Well it's fine by me, I think we should really start from the top and work down. If we can get planet names and bits of fluff, we'll have a massive backstory to fill and be able to slot in the other Companies as well.Just out of curiosity, how did you make it?
I missed the memo, did /tg/ actually make something of merit?
>>27948690You have no idea.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Star_KrakensGaze and fall to your knees at our many writefags!
>>27948487Also have to point out that the 'yellow' parts are parchment, the Deep is just the black cloud.Did I do bad? I didn't realise it consumed an entire sector.
>>27948718Right, so the Tailing Deep is the really black bit and the Spinward Deep is just the very edges?Fine by me, I think one thing that was agreed in the last thread was that the group of 3 dead worlds was originally the Grendel's territory. Is that still a thing?
>>27948735Tailing and Spinward are glactic directions, equivelant to left and right. They don't really apply like that, I think.Yeah, the trio of dead worlds are supposed to be the Grendel worlds, and the Special world is the Loghthouse. I'll post more later, Im at work and captcha is shitting me.
>>27948759We'll have to change a little bit of the Chapter history then.
>>27948487Forgeworld: Eden (Or Norse Equivalent)Trying to think of a decent background but I dont know enough about the Krakens lore.Are they an undermanned chapter? One thousand Strong? How strong were the Grendel? Are the Krakens on decent terms with chapters outside of the Raven Guard(Who i read they succeeded from)?
>>27948773Idunn was a Norse God who looked after the golden fruit that gave the gods their immortality, so I think we'll be best to call it that. Let's face it, Eden and Asgard are too generic.We've got 800 Marines at the moment, Captain Achab brought it from about 1500 down to that amount when we went crazy and tried to eliminate the Grendel.See the above drawfag, the Grendel and green, lean and mean. They're really vicious, dangerous and at the very least quite intelligent as they were space-faring.No idea about relations with other Chapters.
>>27948784>Norse GoddessShe'll be pissed if I didn't correct that.
>>27948773That's all on the wiki. Also I'd refrain from making every world in the sector ABOUT the Star Kraken. They're relatively recent additions to the sectors (reclaimed in M36, Krakens Heorot Crusade in M39)
>>27948794We'll give the worlds outside the Deep names, maybe fleeting mentions and minor events if they're so close to the Kraken's territory, but I agree. Let's keep the major writefags to things in the Deep and on the outskirts.
>>27948667>>27948679Those old style diving helmets look fucking dumb.So on the one hand /tg/ rightly dislikes the kind of thinking from games workshop that leads to SM chapters getting visually stereotyped to all fuck, with Yiffs riding wolves and wearing wolves all the time and Imperial Fists riding giant hands into battle. But then they take a perfectly serviceable concept and predictably go totally fucking overboard with it. Someone write to GW and tell them that Raven Guard and Blood Ravens need to adorn themselves with feathers and also have raven-shaped helmets, any chapter with Angel in its name should now have wings built into their power armour.
>>27948735Would the Grendel have had enough strength to mount an invasion on the forgeworld? If not an invasion a large scale raid that would destroy a large portion of it? Other than that I cant think of a way to indebt the forgeworld to the Star Krakens. Unless we dont want them to be indebted.Forgeworld Eden has little to do with the Star Krakens beyond the occasional ressupply. The nobles of the planet are snobby and arrogant, believing themselves to be masters of the universe as they stand atop the uppermost spires of their Forgeworld. They view the Star Krakens outlandish, roguelike tendencies with distain and try to have as little to do with them as possible.Knowing that to refuse aid to The Emperors Finest would be treasonous they do give the Star Krakens supplies, after a lengthy waiting period so "Those damn vikings" get the message that they arent welcome.(This can probably be prettied up quite a bit by someone else. My brain is mush at the moment. I can write another version were the forgeworld is indebted but I honestly think that having the forgeworld not steeply indepted to the Star Krakens would help create the image of Roving Vikings taking what they need.
>>27948810You seem upset.
>>27948810It's like all you did was look at the pretty pictures.We've been steering away from visibly Nautical themes since Thread 1. Trust me, if we hadn't been cracking down on it, you'd be looking at harpoon wielding diving suit marines with bioshock dreads.
>>27948667Stealing ideas from other Lovecraft themed marines I see.
>>27948908>>27948810These were drawfags from the very start of the thread, we've moved away from squid-tentacles, diving helmets and what not.Just take the drawfag for what it is, a cool representation of fictional characters.
Right, let's get to work.>>27948487The cluster of 5 worlds in the bottom right of the map. We've got a death world, a forge world, a hive world, an agri-world and a frontier world.Seems the 4 Imperium worlds would be very dependent on one another. Maybe the Forge world was set up first, discovered the possible hive+agri worlds, they got colonised and then the frontier world was only just discovered?
>>27949037do we get our techpriests from both of the forge worlds, or just one?I could see some rivalries sparking up between the two.
>>27949169>whynotboth.jpegGood idea, would lead to some interesting conflicts between 2 Techpriests claiming their Forge world is the best.Doesn't seem like the regulars have happened upon this thread yet, hopefully the ideas will pick up and ideas will flow like honey and milk.
In the last thread:>It might be Jjojos, the sulfur world belched out of the Deep with the Eldar ruins on it. It's been in Siewurd's background for a while. Other than that I have no idea.That would probably be the forbidden world just on the edge of the lit portion of the Deep, I would think.
>>27949425Is that lit portion of the Deep, the bit that Huginn is 'illuminating'?If so, there's a shit load of space there that's got absolutely nothing in. Can we fill that in with my various water-themed occurences?
>>27949445It was mentioned above that the 'special' world is Mobius/The Lighthouse, so I figured the lit area around it was the part the Star Kraken could easily navigate. I don't actually know.
>>27948814Have them also produce the vast quantities of Tempest bolts (or rather, cheaper knockoff Tempest bolts) which the Star Kraken so love to use.
>>27949445MapAnon here, I'm beginning to think my Sector Map is a little too confusing. Is it confusing? Are we all confused?
>>27949459Makes sense, the penal planet near it will link in with the 'Judgement of the Void' writefag on the 1d4 page, I'm assuming that's where their prisoners are sent to after their horrific treatment.Should we make the death world, just to the right of Mobius, Jjojos? And maybe have the forbidden world as something different?
>>27949473No, it's fine dude. If you could shove a few preliminary names and tags on it, that'd be great. Just so we can identify which planets we're talking about more easily.
>>27949489I'm going to begin updating this thread with names roughly planted on shit. I am also going to go by the name MapAnon for this. Please don't string me up, oh namefag haters.Also should I move this Forge World?
>>27949509Keep the Forge world where it is for now, I think it would be a must-have for the 2 Hive worlds nearby.As for the Penal world, here's some names:>Vankali>Gevangenis>FangelsiChoose your favourite and slap it on there as well.
>>27949509Also, the frontier world near the Grendel worlds:I've got the idea in my head, that the Grendel attacked this world and pretty much destroyed it before. The Imperium is trying to take over these new worlds, as this Frontier world is their first attempt.
>>27949550Yeah I figured basically every world between the Death World and that Frontier World were raided/enslaved by the Grendel before the Heorot Crusade.
Names of geographical locations are now in ALLCAPS, names of worlds are in Lower Case. For the purpose of the map I'm designating Mobius a geographical location rather than a world.
>>27949597>reluctant supplier of tempest boltsI lol'dNice one MapAnon, I think we better think up some ideas for the unclassifieds.
>>27949597How about this: The Frontier World near the Idunn isn't a Frontier world due to its low tech and new settlement, but rather it's just the sector naval base orbiting a simple world?
>>27949615Wait, I don't get you.So we'd ignore the world as it is, and just reference the naval base on the map?
>>27949723I was thinking of the Traveller destination of Frontier Worlds, in that they're worlds with low technology/population base and can be the seat of military bases or corporate bodies. I didn't realise (til I just looked it up) it specifically referred to recently colonised worlds only.My bad. Still we need a Naval Base somewhere. Also where are all the Krakens tonight?
>>27949761I suppose the OTHER Forge World could be the seat of military power in the sector. Have a Mechanicus heavy fleet also explains why they were so reluctant to even try and pursue Grendel into the Deep.
>>27949761Well the usual Krakens are probably only just waking up, they'll be here in a few hours.We do need a base somewhere I agree, should we just use up one of the 'unclassified' spots, or should we wait for the others to voice their opinions?
>>27949853I'm about to upload a map with a bunch of random shit on it, some filled in, some not. all totally negotiable. Hopefully it'll spawn some ideas, then I'm going to head off and come back in a few hours)
>>27949921>Disclaimer>I'm just throwing shit out there. I have no emotional attachment to anything except the idea that the worlds around the capital sound more Spanish than Viking because they were settled during an Ecclesiach Reclamation Crusade. Go nuts guys, see you in a few!
>>27949979Cool, I'll try and keep the thread bumped until the usual crowd gets here.
le star kraken ai thinks its a good idea to deploy rhinos in space
>>27950288Brother Ezekyel! How goes the Dawn of War?
>>27950329good, brother viking.glory for the emperor
>>27950349Excellent, any ideas to contribute while we wait for the thread to pick up?We've been trying to fill up the Deep map, and fluff out some of the planets around it.
>>27950387It won't be soon, im still trying to understand the map.
>>27950449Yellow bits are just random space.Black bit is the Deep.All the planet icons are on the right, but pretty much all the names are more or less placeholders at the moment.
Leaving for an hour or so.One bump just to keep this thread going.
>8th thread>8thI MISSED A WHOLE THREAD.FUCK.
>>27949979Like this map. Like it really much. Are you going to add something extra? Maybe a secret Dark Eldar satellite base?>>27951271Well, the Apothecaries and Chaplain were fleshed out.
>>27951287Oh cool!I'll be back on later on tonight, and I'll flesh out the first company a bit more + I've got more painted Krakens to show off as well.Keep up the good work dudes.
>>27951326And now I've checked their page and discovered that the Librarian Section has been updated. Now those Techmarines are left.
>>27951358I said I'd do techmarines, and then I missed a thread...I'll do them later on too.
>>27951387OK. Although I presented a more coherent and less randumb (compared to thread 6) version of them, I think you'll make them much better.Plus did anyone done those calcified brothers? Those inside Dreadnoughts who got mutated and turned into coral statues, and whose blood was luminescent?
>>27949465Also, the reason why the Star Krakens don't get much interference about Huginn and Muninn and the Lighthouse is because they play the two off each other.
>>27951416I liked the little bit of humor on them, but it did need to bed toned down. I'll have a careful look at what's laid out already before I start anything.But for now I have to go to a dinner party for a friends surprise birthday, while I'm dying of the flu... hooray.I'll be back in 4~5 hours and I'll rejoin the discussion then
Haven't heard about this stuff before, but the map is fukken sweet. Go fill 1d4 with the Emperor's light, brother!
bumping with a drawing, again the quality is shit but hope you guys can see the details.
>>27951497Stop being a plague marine!
>>27951416I thought we dropped the calcified brothers as being too much, "Terrible secret that would spell doom to the chapter." If we're revisiting the concept, I say that it's not a mutation. Their geneseed, aside from the already decided upon flaw, is pure. The issue is that something in the Deep causes the calcification. The Krakens don't know what causes it and you'll have one marine develop the condition despite all the other marines that were deployed alongside him come out fine. They're hidden away, reported as dead from other causes and the Star Krakens make no mention of this to anyone. However, their spies in the AdMech report that Explorator fleets have been reporting people struck down with an unknown ailment that causes massive tumor growth where flesh meets cybernetics.
>>27951517Aside from the stupid harpoon bolt,it looks badass. Get someone to shooptrace it or howsitcalled.
>>27948652Plus the Slaaneshi Siren should be a offshoot of the classic Daemonette.Whose psychic song hypnotically draws entire crews and their ships into asteroid belts...>>27951497Yeah, I toned down it by removing the randumb element and made it more coherent. Plus go battle Nurgle and regain your health.>>27951517Sweet.>>27951523Dang, so it was that something changed them, not mutated on their own...well we should actually revise this because it's too cool to leave.
>>27949233I think this would be a cool idea, however they need something to compare their rivalries to. For example, One Forge World dedicates itself to the reclaimation and upkeep of ancient archeotech, claiming that the archeotech of the past was perfect and needs to be replicated perfectly for man to thrive. The other Forgeworld believe in advancing current technologies, either with inspiration from xenos artifacts or entirely original concepts, and while holds past archeotech in high regard, they feel looking backwards is not the answer.Just shooting from the hip here.
Wait, people LIKE the map? After two people had trouble reading it I went and redid the whole thing!Oh well, new rough draft one. Do we stick with star background or go back to yellow? I chose 'parchment' originally because it shows the deep better, but after a bit of effort here I think I've done alright...
>>27951571It's still lsweet.
>>27951426>>27951523>>27951569I thought the Mechanicus avoided the Deep because the dampening effect the nebula has on auger arrays/auspex slowly drove them mad? It's mentioned in a few fluff pieces. Techmarines being immune because they're mahreens.
>>27951571Now that looks sexy.
Any inputs on names for things/places?
>>27951607I don't know about driving them mad, but, while the AdMech leave a lot of the exploration to the Star Krakens, they still send out their own guys since they don't really trust the Krakens to not break shit or to not try to keep stuff for themselves.
>>27951668Change the name of the sector, it keeps making me think of pasta.
How about we do something with the unclassified worlds? Perhaps a Mechanicus expedition that found surviving Grendel?
>>27951692Marinara's Trench was the inspiration for the name, with the faux-latin "-us" of course. Suggestions?>>27951675I'm just saying what's on the 1d4chan page.>Long exposure to this sightless, unreadable traverse can have unusual psychological consequences for those caught within, noted for inspiring an almost immediate sense of claustrophobic panic in the average man, and going so far as to drive high order Mechanicus priests temporarily mad.>>27951707My idea with scattering Unclassified objects around in the Deep was to leave something mysterious about the place, especially in the Sea of Nix and The Uncharted Depths. Personally, I think names of creepy phenomena work better than actual descriptions - just an opinion.
>>27951517>>27951571I'm back, these 2 are awesome. Kraken Marine is great, and I didn't realise you had access to a number of backgrounds. I love the new map.
>>27951523>>27951416Could this be part of their lore? Instead of it being something negative, they view it as a positive, however the rest of the Imperium views it as a mutation of sorts? For instance, when a brother becomes 'calcified', the Kraken Marines view it as a boon bestowed by the Emperor. They view it as a sort of 'ascendency' that Marines aspire to. When they begin calcification, they get hidden away to praise the Emperor and meditate on their calling. Once they get interred into the Dreadnaught, and they begin to become coral-like and luminescent, they are thought to be 'bringing the guiding light of the Emperor to the darkest depths of the Galaxy.'However, because its a gene-flaw/mutation, they have to hide this from Inquisitors et al because 'only chaos are granted mutations'.
>>27951819I'm scratch-making this in photoshoop. I could literally make sororita tits the background. You... you want sororita tits as the background..?Named some more stuff. Like I said earlier I'll just keep naming crap until it either inspires somebody to expand on one of the names or somebody things of something better. Still waiting for a Sector Name, can't unsee pasta.
>>27951839This calcified stuff is ridiculous. The only way you're going to get it if there is no genesee mutation is though disease, or warp shenanigans all across the sector. The former can be contained and destroyed. The latter implies the Deep is sinister and twisted on a foundational level. And if its a gene-seed mutation, then why didn't it show up earlier? This is unneccesary goes way too far with the "sea" theme. We're not going full totemic animal on the kraken, and we're not going full "aqua-marines" eitehrFocus on something else than marines turning to coral. Like how the chapter might've fucked up since it's founding
>>27951920sororita tits in background pls
>>27951920The Phorcys SectorPhorcys was a primordial Greek God, sone of Gaia and Pontus.He's the Greek God of the "hidden dangers of the deep". What could be more fitting?He also fathered a monstrous race of human-crabs called the Phorcydes, let's turn them into a native species on one of the water worlds on this sector, but keep them 100% crab.
>>27951985I was sold even before the giant enemy crabs.
>>27951985yes lets do this
>>27952006>>27952018Hoorah!MapAnon, make it happen.The Phorcydes will just be massive crabs, native to the ocean Agri-world of Vetinin (the green dot in the bottom right of the map).
>>27952074I just named it Phorcia on my map, does Vetinin mean something?
>>27952088Vetinen means watery in Norwegian/Icelandic/one of those languages.Spelling mistake turns it into Vetinin, so let's keep it like that, unless you've got a cool name for a planet you've been waiting for?
>>27952018Ah brother! We meet at last!
>>27952110Nope, it's Vetinin. Also just added a War World. For the grim darkness of the 41st millenium there isn't that much war here.I figure it's Orks. What do you guys think?
>>27952129Greetings, i assume you have prayed to the emperor during this time?
>>27952110Finnish.It means watery in Finnish.
>>27952202That's the one.>>27952152Bear in mind we don't do so well on land, we're a ship-to-ship combat Chapter. The world can belong to an Ork boss, who just spawns Freebootas constantly or something.
>>27951927Or, hear me out, it's supposed to represent one of the myriad of unexpected dangers to the Deep. >>27951920The deathworld at the bottom of the map is where the Chaplains go to hunt the Valravn for their initiation rites. Known only by it's Administratum numerical designation of XV-113A7J, it's a cold, dim world at the edge of its star's habitable zone covered 90% by water. Located in the Southern Hemisphere, it's sole landmass, barring a few island chains, is a dreary, wet locale beset by high winds and frequent storms. Agriculture is nearly impossible and the creatures that inhabit the land include the valravn, winged canines rumored to be able to take the form of a man, arturachs, highly aggressive herd animals, and gargugas, large armored amphibians who burrow in the ground and ambush passersby. The few hundred souls who make up the human population are crammed into Port Elvers and tend to the automated fleets that harvest the ocean to fill the appetites of sector nobility for exotic cuisine.
>>27952234True, although it's not necessarily the Kraken's war. I'm uploading Draft3 with a few names/locations/updates added, might pop back in an hour or so. Think up some map stuff while I'm gone.>>27952262Oh! He squeezes in just before I'm out!
>>27952312How do you do this? Is it in photoshop, or is there a program for doing this kind of stuff?
>>27952312Well how do you guys want to proceed. Do you want to go through the map, name the planets/locations and then write a few lines of fluff about them?I don't think fluffing out the entire systems history would be very good, only a small entry for each planet would suffice.
>NautalicaA world that is almost entirely covered by vast oceans of salt water, it is a unique sort of agri-world in which great farms of water plants and animals are harvested to feed the populations of the nearby frontier and hive worlds.The volcanic activity taking place under the planet ensures that the vast seas are salty but rich in minerals and nutrients for the many varied creatures that live there.Man can only exist here in a few types of dwellings that all aid its purpose as an agri-world. Its capital is called Higher Purpose, and it is located on a massive raised platform of rock just below the surface of the ocean. Portions can be raised to allow for space craft to take off and land. At night, its artificial lights ignite the ocean in color, making it shine like a beacon in the infinite oceans. The planet, especially Higher Purpose, is often the target of nearby orks (who kind of act like the Smokers from waterworld, with rusted, smoking machines on sea and air to raid farmers and floating cities) and Grendel forces.The Empirium of Man has ensured that what few jagged mountains jutting from the oceans are the foundations for towering cities that serve as both managerial offices and rallying points for military forces on the planet. Fishermen, nauti-farmers and deep dwellers all use cities as gathering points for their harvests so that they can be processed and exported. Extensions of these cities are in the form of vast, floating processing platforms that absorb alien kelp and fish. Farmers that dwell on floating platforms of shells and bones, refuse on the backs of floating colonies of pitch-black jellyfish, use their harvests of sea weed and fish to feed the Empirium. Deep dwelling cities are built below the oceans to harvest sea grass and to hunt the massive creatures that have never seen the light of stars.>You guys can decide cities, points of interest, and local personalities.
>>27952312i still don't see sororitits
>>27952417That's good, could we just slap this description on Vetinin instead? Makes sense to just get it out of the way and everything fits perfectly.In any case, good job anon.
>>27952417>>27952467Not to mention those two places seem to be the same now.
>>27952408Should we make a 1d4chan page for the sector, link it to the Kraken and then use 1d4chan to write short descriptions of the sector?did we just go from making a marine chapter to making an entire sector due to the awesomeness of our background fluff??
>>27952508Well I wanted to fluff out the Deep from day one, but I was imagining just having a pirate map with various water-based occurences, like Achab's Passage and the Ekman Spiral, much like on this map.But as it turns out, yes, we're going to be the first /tg/ Chapter to fully fluff out the whole damn sector.As for a separate page, let's see how much stuff gets written.
>>27952525Writefag here.What do you want/need work on? I can write some fluff points if needs be. >Coming in late to the party. Apologies
>>27952584Jesus, I don't really know.I know we were having arguments about Techpriests, so we'll ignore them for now.To be honest, I think we'll do really well if we get some more of this sector done. Pick a planet, think how it relates to the ones near it and fluff all you want.Or pick one of those unclassified, and fluff them. They're all going to be some kind of phenomena within the Deep, if that helps.
>>27952584If you're describing planets, keep it to a paragraph or two. If something important has happened on the planet make it a separate entry.
>>27952630Lets start with names for planets, it will be less confusing to whoever comes to make fluff later and they will be blank slates for making their own fluff. Once we get several names and backgrounds established, we can think about how these planets relate to each other.
Okay, new guy here: Can I get a quick summary of all the nautical references we've so far accumulated? Also, is the chapter developed enough to introduce humorous elements without it going to shit?
>>27952525Well, from somewhere Apothecaries and Techmarines have to get the stuff for their medicine and constructs.
>>27952508Yes. Because gentlemen,we created a chapter of Space Marines. We moved away from overt refs and sueness. Then when accused of sueness, we thought "well we are skirting that edge" and we were like, "fuck". But then we made the Grendel, we made the enemies the place they fight and live and die in. We fleshed out our boys, the Star Krakens are badass and diverse, they got characters and personalities now. But now we got all these new toys and nowhere to play in and no one else to really fight.Lets make some monsters and worlds guys. I love the map anon and you guys are making, I love the how fucking horrific the Grendel have become. Fuck the agworld anon proposed with fucking smoker orks sounds amazing. Lets keep at this shit. I quiver in anticipation.
>>27952735There's a mining world there that's going to waste.>>27952728There's no list, but a quick skim through 1d4chan will help. Master and Commander, Moby Dick, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, etc.We're trying to be quite serious here, so I'm not sure about humour. What do you have in mind?
>>27952728Check the 1d4chan page for a list of nautical stuff and if you're inserting a humorous reference keep away from a pop culture reference. What do you have in mind?
>>27952762Well said anon.I can't think of any other custom Chapter that's had 8 threads, let alone this much depth.
>>27948773>>27948784I would say that a Forge World needs more crafty name. Though most craftsmen of Norse Mythology were dwarfs, so not sure about the name not being overused somewhere in WH/WH40K.
>>27952786Surely, you remember thread six when the idea of Farnsworth-esque techmarines were introduced?
>>27952832Oh shit, just noticed.Idunn was meant to be the Agri-worlds name, but looks like that's gone out of the window now with Vetinin. Try and find a good name for the Forge World, that is your quest.
>>27952762The monster part us going to be nuts here. I love creating monsters. Should they be giant Atlantic horseshoe crabs? Or small swarms of creatures that act like pistol shrimps?>>27952786Well, the Apothecaries apart from some minerals use substances and materials of both animal and plant origin. A Forge World won't be enough.>>27952861And I remember nearly breaking it with that interpretation.
>>27952861>Surely you remember.I was the first to use the name Farnsworth, it lead to some fun, but if I remember correctly someone wanted to introduce insane Techpriests, and the idea was quickly stomped out, and rightly so.
>>27952832>>27952878Forgeworlds don't necessarily need a "crafty" name, we've got Ryza, Gryphonne IV, Hedd, Shenlong, and Urdesh.
>>27952897Yeah, that one was my interpretation, and in the 7th I presented a dumbed out version of this. Normal yet somewhat eccentric in the 7th.
>>27952923Both the Forgeworlds on that map are named: Idunn, which is a Scandinavian word for forge and Fetillus Svel which is old norse (latin'd up) for Gleaming Sword - the Navy.
>>27952974Yeah, but they were talking about changing Idunn to something that sounds more "crafty."
>>27952897>>27952938Methinks that techmarines are eccentric by default, so I presume that you mean 'more eccentric than usual'.At risk of straying from the nautical theme, I propose that some techmarines show traits from various 'mad scientists'. One techmarine might reminds us of Farnsworth, while another brings Nikola Tesla to mind...
>>27952993ooh, disregard cocks etc.
>>27953009>mentioning Farnsworth techmarinesWHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
>>27953009> Nicola Tesla...DEATH RAYS AND GIANT FORCE FIELDS...AND TESLA CANNONS.
>>27953009Right, we'll have one particularly ancient Techpriest who will say 'Good news everyone' once. Just the once mind you.And we will see how it goes. If everyone laughs we will keep it, and add no more senile Techpriests. Farnsworth will be the exception.If it doesn't go down well, we will purge it from the records and never mention the name again.
>>27953032Too late, cat's out of the bag, might as well ride the wind and see if it takes us anywhere good.
>>27952420For you, brother.>>27952361As it may be coming increasingly clear I'm using photoshop. I wish there was a program for making Sector's in 40k. I searched for a good two hours before I threw my hands up and decided to break out gimp and just do it myself.
Hey guys so pitching some stuff to add/bring up again to add to the sector.> The Cabal of rogue traders.Since we're in a relatively recluse sector we have our dick ass rogue traders running guns and staging shit. Like mentioned in previous thread they could be instigating conflicts, selling weapons to pirates and heretic cults, or giving valuable information on trade routes and defenses on Imperial planets to xenos like the Grendel and freebootas. Hell, they could even be selling to the Star Krakens to keep up appearances of "Loyalty". Like they could have a massive network from planetary governors, pirates, and spys and shit. But they cover their tracks. Pirates who are caught and subdued by the Krakens look like they are operating autonomously, governors participating in heretic cults somehow get the resources to arm themselves, Grendel conveniently a raid small agworld while the Krakens are fighting another Grendel diversion a whiles away. Hell maybe the rogue traders come in right before the attack and sell of some weapons to the agworld and tell them they'll get the Krakens or the guard. But by the time they manage to comm them it's conveniently too late. > The Slaaneshi sirensNow chaos isn't my bailywick here, but someone suggested in the previous threads about Slaaneshi sirens. This would be a cool addition. Like in the Deep a mysterious planetoid or asteroid (whatever) just appears within scanning distance and then the voxes come alive with beautiful singing that entices the crew to check out the new planetoid. Only to meet a grisly fate by the hands of Daemonnetes. We coud the planetiod/asteroid turn up in different locations too, so the Marines and navy can never verify the existence of this chaos. The only evidence they have left is ships with no crew and haul still intact.
There's an unclassified planet north of Huginn's Light in the Njord Strait. Is that to be intentionally unclassified, or can I write some fluff about it?
Feral WorldName: DresharaNamed after the colony vessel that brought the first settlers, dissension in colonial leadership quickly caused the settlements to engage in civil war. Widespread fighting quickly eroded the planet's technological base and its people are now divided into small city-states, villages, and nomad bands. Barbarism runs rampant and the remnants of technology have fallen into superstition and ignorance - even more so than usual for the Imperium and that's saying something. Formerly a Star Krakens recruitment world, a widespread shift in cultural beliefs that run counter to acceptable deviations from the Imperial Creed have caused the Star Krakens to relinquish their patronage. The planet is now under an Ecclesiarchy reformation campaign spearheaded by the Adeptus Sororitas.
>>27952878Ivaldi and his son Dvalin (guy who made spear Gungnir for Odin, ship Skidbladnir for Frey and new hair for Sif); Brokki and his brother Sindri (who made ring Draupnir for Odin, boar Gullinborsti for Frey for riding like on a horse and Mjollnir for Thor).Sindri...
>>27953052You guys mentioned some orks earlier, right? My thought would be that the Tesla techmarine would see orks using zzap guns and kustom force fields and would become obsessed with creating similar technology for the chapter.>orks faces when the Star Krakens loot their zzap guns and kustom force fields for research
>>27953167All unclassified planets represent mysteries of the deep, and may be anything. For example Phothom Sinkhole is a black hole... in a black nebula. What a douchebag move!
So far what are the agreed mutations? I'm thinking of drawing a battle brother without his helmet.
>>27953166Can the Star Krakens who capture pirates in the sector pressgang them into service of the Emperor for 'absolution'? Maybe send them on errant suicide missions into the Deep?
>>27953183There's a warboss - Twoheads Dedkilly - flitting about the sector in a massive Kill Kroozer. He gets his name from the old Warboss, after he grafted his predecessors brain onto his to gain his kunning.
>>27953192Standard Raven Guard.>>27953205We call those poor souls: "Vassals"
>>27953166sorry forgot to put cont'd>Space DiatomsMore of like a a hazard than a threat. I imagine they inhabit the fringes of the deep and the skirt some of the worlds that on the fringes. Imagine basket ball sized diatoms made of hardened silica with mean looking spikes. Now they just float around like plankton, but occasionally have population explosions that create massive belts of these shits. If you don't know how to navigate around them you could end up tearing the fuck out of your ship.
>>27953153>mfw 'Achab's Passage' is over her cleavage.Well played, sir.
>>27953166>The Dickass Rogue Trader CabalThey should be big, bigger than this sector big. Like three huge Rogue Trader dynasties, Chartist dynasties, a few interplanetary corporations, and a guild or two big. The kind of people you can't fight a direct war against, but at the same time a covert war isn't enough to take them out.>Slaaneshi SirensDespite the number of myths and rumors of their existence, all reports similar enough that the existence of some form of Chaos power luring ships to their doom is regarded as truth.
>>27953281>They should be big, bigger than this sector big. Like three huge Rogue Trader dynasties, Chartist dynasties, a few interplanetary corporations, and a guild or two big. The kind of people you can't fight a direct war against, but at the same time a covert war isn't enough to take them out.So they're basically the East India Trading Company and we're India in the 18th Century. Shit...
>>27953153That was amusing, brother, thank you.
>>27953299East India Company combined with 19th century robber barons.
>>27948642>Turns out he was fighting the female Grendel. The male ones bond to them like parasites, turning into all sorts of erotic weaponry.that is the worst idea i have ever heard
>>27953177Or Volundr, generally badass pissed off smith connected to legend of Beowulf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_the_SmithOther smiting gods: Svarog (Slavic god of sun, fire and smiths), Tvastar (Vedic/Proto-Indo-Iranian creation god who was making chariots; also solar deity), Seker (Egyprian god who was mummified hawk in look, a smith along with Ptah in Ptah-Seker-Osiris trio), Ogoun (Yoruban of iron, hunting, politics and war).Maybe one will sound better.
>>27953359You'd think so, but /k/ can put forth a convincing argument for the use of dragon dildos as part of a defense plan.
So far I've added Dreshara as a Feral World and changed Idunn to Ivaldin (combination of Ivaldi and Dvalin.Any more?
Name: AkkariType: Frontier WorldLocation: Northwest of MariasAkkari was so named for the collection of derelict ships surrounding its atmosphere in almost neutral orbit. Explorator Fleets sent by the Mechanicum have begun investigating this phenomena and taken to researching the technology left by the derelicts, as well as breaking down much-needed components to replace the oft-embattled Star Kraken's fleet. Human colonists have begun terraforming the surface, which is mostly comprised of wetlands and some outcroppings of mountainous regions in curious triangular pattern in different regions of the planet. The mountains are all comprised of the same materials at cursory glance (some precious metals, etc) and ensconce the same amount of area within their beings. As of right now, colonists have yet to enter and explore the areas, however they have begun marking for mining purposes the major deposits of materials within the mountains.
>>27953395Misplaced my name.>>27953359I'm reasonably sure he was being facetious. Reasonably.
>>27953382Let's reserve Volundr in case we get a particularly badass Techpriest that we want to fluff out.Tvastar sounds fine to me.
>>27953407This is the good shit. Exactly what I'm chasing. This guy has it downpat. 10/10. Would sleep with. Everyone else start doing this.
>>27952889>monstersThe Star Krakens have recieved several reports of disappearances in the sector recently. Investigation reveals little, a few chunks and the body of the ship missing.The truth behind these disappearances is as old as the stars, for Chaos has a presence in the Phorcys sector. There is an asteroid that has been corrupted by the malign influences of Chaos that floats about the sector and lures the unwary to their death. It is the servants of Slaanesh, both mortal and immortal, that dwell in this floating chunk of rock, dubbed the floating Isle of Dread by those few who have seen it and lived.Its presence is first made apparent to the navigator, who is made to see a creature of perfect form floating alone in the eye of his mind, beckoning him with a song that sounds like desire fulfilled. The warp-sensitive navigators have a hard time not falling into it, but if they move their vessel closer then the crew will begin to hear it as well. Many will fall to its beguiling song, and even if the crew does not slaughter each other in desire to meet the Grey Nymph and her many Sirens, they are lured to shipwreck into the asteroid. The ship will be swiftly overrun with daemons of Slaanesh, the Sirens among them, chanting songs of depravity and submission.The Grey Nymph herself will chant continuously, luring most of the crew to her. The fate of those souls shipwrecked on the meteor is horrible and the survivors being the few that manage to jump into the warp before collision or use the escape pods to flee.The Nymph is clever, sending captured vessels with her servants to shipwreck into the various worlds of the sector. Unless found and destroyed, they will form floating islands of sining Sirens that will lure the unwary to the most wonderful death imaginable.
>>27953521>Be Star Kraken>sailing along with my squid-bros>Hear beautiful singing across the Comm channels.>Captain lands ship to check it out.>Beautiful singing quickly turns to terrifying screeching and wailing.>Naked purple demons run towards us.>fuckthisi'mout.jpeg.>Leave Slaaneshi whores on their rock.
>>27953521Suddenly Akkari (>>27953407) is looking a lot more sinister.
Are our marines castrated?
>>27953740Aren't they all? Chemically speaking.
>>27953759Space wolves aren't.
>>27953740Brother Ezekyel, what foul things do you have planned?
>>27953759Space Wolves fuck whores, so I doubt it.
>>27953759The daemonettes of Slaanesh are a crafty bunch.
>>27953795Oh no nothing.
Gentlemen, it has come to my attention that the Star Krakens contain no references to Julius Vernes 20000 Leagues Under The Sea. How shall we go about fixing this? Perhaps a Captain Nemo, who pilots an experimental stealth ship named The Nautilus?
>>27953806They cause you to grow penises, then they fuck you.
>>27953928Quick, someone writefag 20 000 parsecs into the Deep.
>>27953063Brother Techmarine Fansworth: Good news Varangian Guard. The Inquisition requested you to make a delivery tommorow to Syphilius. A Nurgle devoted daemon world.Brother Marine Svenson: Why not today?Brother Techmarine Fansworth: Because tonight is a special day, and I want you to be alive.--------------------Brother Techmarine Fansworth: Oh dear, did Techpriest Ericssen at least died painlessly?Voice in the vox:...Brother Techmarine Fansworth: To shreds you say!? How is his closest family holding up?Voice in the vox:...Brother Techmarine Fansworth: To shreds you say!? Very well then.---------------------Brother Techmarine Fansworth: I still can't understand why you didn't let me graft a lascannon to your chest to crush the enemies of the Imperium. But I guess we are just two different people.
>>27953928Well we can't out right rip it off.But I'm in agreement, find another character in 20,000 leagues that isn't instantly recognisable, and get writing.
>>27953928He sounds like a Rogue Trader, maybe he had to flee the Empirium because he stole an experimental power source that uses the black substance of the deep to power his ship? It would explain why he is always around the Phorcys sector and he could deal in exotic and rare goods from the places inside the deep itself.
>>2795395410/10 anon, I actually laughed heartily.>Who was it?>He didn't say.Well done sir, but I think we'll leave it at that.
Name: Bivarar-HavnType: Hive WorldLocation: Northeast of Huginn's Light, on the Sector FringeBivarar-Havn is one of the more densely populated Hive Worlds of the Star Kraken's sector, mostly because of it's location on the fringe of the sector (which allows for trade/port for other ships and Rogue Traders skirting the area) and the abundance of available work for the middle class. The various Star Kraken Borther-Captains often take their vessels here for rearmament and repair, due to the availability of their materials, rarity and uniqueness of their stores, and their worker's skills in engineering and labor. It's rumored that a hull welded by an Artisan Shipwright is nigh impenetrable, and several Star Kraken veterans would not be so quick to disregard this rumor. In exchange for labor and goods, the Star Krakens will sometime lead patrols into the lower habs of the Hives at the Governor's request, to help settle unrest and bring some order to the normally lawless lower class. Bivarar-Havn is also a prime locale for recruitment, as their knowledge of ship maintenance and engineering is deep and second only to the Adepts of the Mechanicum, however the Star Krakens find the humans of Bivarar-Havn far more tolerable. Occasionally, Wright-Guild leaders, who normally engage in barter with Rogue Traders, will happen across items of great interest to the Brother-Captains of the Star Krakens, and will offer them up as first-come, first-serve, ensuring that Bivarar-Havn is one of the most protected Hive Worlds in the sector.
>>27953977Other than Captain Nemo, the only real characters in the book were the protagonist, who was a biologist hunting for a sea monster that turned out to be The Nautilus, the protagonists butler and a French Canadian whaler. Perhaps there should be a story about a scientist from the Xenos order winding up with a Rogue Trader of sorts like in>>27953985 ?
>>27953521Add a Void Whale and a Kraken Cruiser that accidentally flew into its ear.
Name: BaunnType: FeudalLocation: West/Southwest of Fetillus SvelAn arid world dotted with hundreds of landlocked seas. Numerous kingdoms surround these seas vying for power while great empires rise to claim as much water as they can. Vast, empty deserts make the bulk of the planet's surface with foolhardy and enterprising trade caravans trekking between civilizations. Due to the distances and lack of population, the deserts are frequently used as training grounds for mechanized IG regiments with the various kingdoms going to great lengths to secure the prestige and riches that comes with hosting these regiments. Rumors of vast alien ruins the deserts run rampant but so far no one has found anything, at least not anyone who has returned.
>>27954099Now I've read 20k, and I noticed that there was a shit load of writing about marine animals and the like.Do you think you could take this in a different direction?Have a member of the Adeptus Biologicus (we don't hear enough about those guys) going around and cataloging the various animals and stuff. We haven't actually referenced the Void Barnacles yet, so that could be a good start.
>>27953954>Brother Techmarine Farnsworth: Oh dear, did Techpriest Ericssen at least died painlessly?>Voice in the vox:...>Brother Techmarine Farnsworth: To shreds you say!? How are his battle brothers holding up?>Voice in the vox:...>Brother Techmarine Farnsworth: To shreds you say!? Very well then.FTFYAlso, who are some other 'mad scientists' whose eccentricities we could adapt to our techmarines? They don't even have to be insane, just a little nutty...
Anyone writing something for the 6th Company? im reading the 1d4chan article and there's nothing there. Anyone mind if I try and wrtie something out?
>>27954149I could go in that direction, but I'd still want something with a clear link to 20k...I think that the circumstances surrounding how the Biologicus Adept ended up on the Rogue Trader ship would be enough to satisfy me.
>>27954169Like even more eccentric? Well as mentioned before, the lol randumb part was scrapped, but the eccentric part would be played slightly further than in case of your everyday techmarines.
>>27954169Doc Brown, Doctor Steel, Paul Carruthers, Faust.>>27954237Go for it, I was thinking of doing something for them, but I can't be bothered now.
This is probably going to be my last map update for the night. I've:>Closed the border on the right hand side... Don't know how I missed that.>Named a bunch of places, including a last minute recompile for this awesome anon posting the good shit>Added a little red nebula and another mystery world. I felt like the map needed a little colour and a non-Deep landmark somewhereThoughts?
>>27954237Show us what you got.
>>27954288Many thanks MapAnon.Someone will have to trawl through this thread, copy all the planet information and things like that, compile it and then get it added to the map. Probably in the next thread.
>>27954356I actually think the 1d4 page idea someone posted above might be the way to go. At least then when the next thread begins we won't have people tripping over each other renaming or refluffing the same 'cool' things over and over whilst other, more 'boring', planets get ignored...
>>27954376I have absolutely no idea how to work 1d4chan.Can someone handle this for us? Just go through this thread, copy and paste everything that could be used in a raw form onto that page, and we'll go through it in the next thread and refine everything.
>>27954398If nobody has done it by the time I awake I will. So long as there are no objections.Anyway, night all. I look forward to waking up and finding a ton of fluff in an autosaging thread!
>>27954398You mean something like pastebin?
>>27954475Well anything that makes it easier to look at, other than going through the entire thread later on and copy-pasting everything.I'll be on for another 10 minutes or so, then I'm off to bed.
>>27948642>bolted onto male urethraNormally I'm pretty radical, but purge the xenos
>>27954288Could you add a pleasure world somewhere?
>>27954578>are Marines castrated?>Can we have a Pleasure World?Something's not right here.
>>27954619The Pleasure World isn't for them, it's for the Dickass Rogue Traders.
>>27954619Totally not related, but figured out a pleasure world would fit an idea i have in mind.
I've been monitoring these threads lately and feeling a bit sad for not being able to participate due to exams, but let me tell you this:I've been around for several rather cool Chapters, even did some drawstuff for the Black Locks, but this one takes the price. Stay the very best, /tg/, and keep the Emperor's work up. I'll be watching.
>>27954826Eh, the chapter is okay. A little heavy on the squid stuff though, and rather light on the patrolling a large and innavigable area with no help.
Loved contributing to this thread. I have some stuff for 6th Company written up, but have to jet. If the thread is alive later, I'll post it and see what you all think. cheers.
Okay, I've been trying to do some writefaggotry about my idea, but I can't seem to start a story off right without turning into a list of factoids the speaker shouldn't know about. Instead I'll list the idea and what I've come up with:>Siren Stars>siren stars are enigmatic stellar objects that have been located in various sections of The Deep and compose a dangerous threat to navigation and travel.first off, these objects emit low levels of radiation that can somehow pierce the darkness of the Deep over short distances, radiating a very welcome light (that is in fact a thing to be feared). They also exert a strong gravitational pull for their apparent size, leading Mechanicus and Techmarine researchers to believe that the objects are incredibly dense. Unfortunately, like the Deep itself, Siren Stars are basically immune to scanning. The radiation emitted by Siren Stars has also been shown to scramble and distort navigational systems, leading navigators to believe that their ships are much farther away from the star than is really the case.In addition to the realspace graviational pull, siren stars have a strange sort of density in the Warp. They can lure Navigators over vast distances - even from far outside the nebula in which they are found - with a psychic phenomena that has only ever been described as 'alluring', never truly noticeable, but still with a draw that can become close in strength to the Astronomicon itself. (think of it like something you can only ever see out of the corner of your eye, something that you like, feel good about and want to see more of; you can tell its general direction/location and really really want to get as close as you can. That's how it feels for a Navigator that detects a Siren Star). Any ship that travels near enough to the Siren Star's footprint in the Immaterium is subject to an intense pull that quickly draws it back into reality - dangerously close to the object itself.Continued below
>>27956853Perhaps worst of all, Siren Stars have never been found in the same location twice. They seem to move, though no ship that has tried monitoring one has ever actually detection movement or propulsion of any kind (though that could be the sensors being fucked up); when a ship comes back to a location where a Siren Star was detected/narrowly ran away from, the star has not ever been detected in the same location. It might be several million kilometers off but still detectable, or just nowhere to be found.To sum it up:Highly dense objects that emit weak light unwary travelers find welcome in, radiation that scrambles detection systems, gravity that pulls ships closer, and a warp signature that can draw in ships from very far away and drop them back into realspace. People, especially Navigators, actually WANT to go near them; basically a Will check to realize they are being drawn in No-one has ever seen what the immaterial imprint of a Siren Star looks like; it's probably horrifying. Any ship that gets too close in realspace gets subject to black hole-like pressures and destroyed/eaten. Siren Stars move. Nobody knows what they are made up of, or has any hard data on their physical composition.(I know that we've already got Slaaneshi Sirens, but I like this idea too; more of an unknown and unknowable navigational hazard. Also I looted this idea from Farscape, it felt totally right for the setting.)captcha: holds satryne. potential in that, I think.
>>27956853>>27956899It's pretty much a non-Chaos version of the Slaaneshi Sirens and doesn't stand out. My thoughts is keep the scrambling and distortion of navigational systems, but change how they work. Instead of being alluring, the Navigators can lose track of which is the siren and which is the Astronomican which can force ships massively off-course or leave them stuck in the Warp until the siren moves. The siren itself kind of "bubbles up" into view of both the Navigator and in realspace and likewise dissipates. All the gravity stuff in realspace is golden.
>>27957129Cool, thanks. I like your idea of the Navigators confusing Sirens for the Astronomicon, but by 'bubbling up' and 'dissipating', do you mean that they sort of slowly appear/disappear from the Navigator's consciousness and view?Could probably go with ships 1) getting stuck for a long time in the warp, 2) getting drawn into the Deep, and/or 3) getting singularity'd by the Siren. I like the idea of these things messing with warp navigation in sectors surrounding the nebula, being problems for everybody that weren't explainable until the Krakens really started exploring the Deep.Do you have any particular sort of story regarding these that you'd like to see? Keep in mind that this'll be my first time actually writing a story.
I assume our Varangians aren't know for their combat bikes?
>>27954288Since this is the latest map, it appears to me that maybe they marked out with dates and locations sightings of the Albatross?Trying to understand whatever it is that moves it through the Deeps?Just a blip and a date and a line moving to the next.(The problem being that the Albatross moves at it moves...)
>>27957338Yes, that's what I meant by it. Multiple things could happen to the ships, they could get stuck in the Warp not knowing where to go, follow the wrong beacon and wind up disastrously off course, put adrift as their systems fail, drawn into the Deep, getting bad ended by the siren. As for a story, go for record of the events surrounding a run in with a siren and how it led to the doom of the ship.You should also give them a new name for clarity.
>>27957374The Star Krakens don't really do transport. They mostly deploy planetside through drop pods and use jump packs and gunships to get around. They have Rhinos, but their tactics don't really make much use of them. I'd also assume they're a bit lacking in the tank department.
>tfw just back in after hours of being forced to sit at a party dying of the fluI swear by the deep, I'll flesh out the techmarines and 1st company tomorrow, but today I'm going to bed to battle against the nurglite possession that I'm currently in the grips of.Stay on course brothers.
Can we please get rid of the Viking shit? They show zero Viking astetics and seem to be better for a Divers things.
Since they are big on space boarding and ambush, wouldn't being corsairs (not chaotic) be a better option so we could include more variety?
>>27958813The Vikings were corsairs. Hence the get there, drop in, fuck shit up, drop out thing they have going.
>>27958813Because then a lot of thigns don't have a place in the Chapter. Besides, making them renegade just leaves more potential for them to become divergent, which makes more room for them become faggoty and get mary-sue abilities to stay independent and strong. Better to keep the Krakens a chapter of shut ins content with patrolling the Deep, save for the Varangians.
Hey, I'm back. Is the OP of this thread still here? I have some writefaggotry for the 6th Company. Should I post it now or wait?
>>27958907I ment piratesThey don't seem to be very imperium like.Just grabbing straws if we are making loose connections like that
>>27959128Post it, worst case you'll have to post it again next thread.
6th CompanyBrother-Captain: “Joker” Jaqque AemonneShip: Devil of the DeepThe 6th Company of Star Krakens have built a reputation for unorthodox tactics and brutal, but effective, warfare, both physically and psychologically. Stories are abound about the cruelty and reaving tendencies of the 6th Company, a favorite of which involves the wholesale slaughter of a roving band of pirates that had been harassing the western fringe of the sector. By the time Imperial Navy fleets had caught up to them, and boarded their ship, they were greeted with a charnel house of viscera, with only one surviving member of the pirate band. Lying in the fetal position, he muttered utterly incomprehensible gibberish until he eventually perished. Above him, written in the blood of his shipmates, was the phrase “Beware the reach of the Kraken.”Casualties tend to run high in 6th Company, notably for their unorthodox tactics and their belief that victory above all else is the Emperor’s Will. Thusly, the veterans of the 6th Company tend to band together, and are known as ‘Salts’, while newer members are put through rigorous training and indoctrination, and are known as “Freshers”. Their Captain, “Joker” Jaqque Aemonne, earned his moniker through the half-smile he always wore, and his dark, sometimes morbid, sense of humor. An oft-spoken story among the veterans of 6th Company involves the Devil having a run-in with several Eldar craft while on a routine patrol of their system. The Eldar surrounded the vessel and gave Jaqque Aemonne, the newly appointed Captain, a chance to surrender his vessel or face utter annihilation. In response, Captain Jaqque laughed a slow, haunting laugh that echoed throughout the Eldar vessels before he commenced his attack. While Captain Jaqque refused to comment on the matter, the fact that the story is told to new Eldar fleet captains as a cautionary tale lends a sense of merit to the rumor.
>>27959318Captain Jaqque is an excellent warrior and tactician, feeling that leading from the front is the most efficient way to lead, period. His methods are harsh, however, and he disciplines his troops with an iron fist, sometimes executing troopers he has found ‘wanting’. He has been challenged several times for command of the Devil, but has managed through skill and cunning to best his opponents so far. He draws constant criticism from his peers and the rank-and-file for his unwavering approach to mission completion above troop welfare, and very rarely does Captain Jaqque socialize with his bretheren aboard the ship.
>>27959333>>27959318I'd get rid of "Joker" and just keep him a marine who likes black humor, with a penchant for savagery.
>>27959333>executing troopsYou better not be talking about marines. They're rare enough without their captains killing them like commissars.
Hail, battle-brothers.Here's the small blurb I've fluffed out for the 2nd Company.-------------------------------------------------------The 2nd Company are known officially as The Kraken's Maw; however, they have also unofficially been called the Spears of the Void, due to the fact that 2nd Company Sergeants and other officers of leadership use long power spears in battle. Of the eleven Star Kraken companies, they are perhaps the most enigmatic, shunning the company of fellow Krakens unless absolutely necessary. They patrol the Deep on the mighty ship Balmung, lead by their Captain, Olaus the Mangled, a deeply superstitious and cynical man. He received this name due to extensive injuries he received at the ill-fated Revolt of Zjoldus during his time in the Deathwatch. Half of his face, his left arm, his right forearm, most of his chest, and both of his legs have been destroyed and replaced with cybernetic prosthetics.
>>27959318>Aemonne>AnemoneFuck you, shitgoblin. Come up with a real surname or die in a fucking fire.
>>27961248>Krakens MawNOPE. That's a Wolf-Company. Next you'll give us Krakenlords riding thunderkrakens, wielding krakenaxes. Spears of the Void sounds good though, but get rid of the power spears to make it less literal. Not everything has a basis in physicality . Maybe even give them the largest share of the Chapter Fleet too, and make them the chapters best void-fighters to make them stand out from the chapter if that's what you really wantWe don't have a chapter master yet. At least not a current one. If we really want the viking theme, then why not go with Canute (or Cnut) the Great
>>27961279There's no need for that kind of hostility here.>>27961413Considering no other company has actual Kraken-based naming, I think it's fine. As for your suggestions, they basically sound like an entirely different company.On another note, I think our next move should be to flesh out the relationship of the Ten Flags; in particular, how each Captain views each other, and which captains back which vote for Commodore. Since Mǫkǫyll and Nyram are tied (according to our canon), we should probably decide who sides with who.Here's our current Ten Flags:1st Company: Mǫkǫyll the Destroyer2nd Company: Olaus the Mangled3rd Company: Currently unnamed4th Company: The Trident (Kester, Olavi and Young Nyran)5th Company: Librarian-Captain Alus6th Company: Jaqque Aemonne7th Company: Thorolfr Finn8th Company: Tyr9th Company: Thorkell the Tall10th Company: Edvard
>>27961413They don't have a chapter master in the classic sense. They're effectively run by the company commanders, with an elected "first among equals" to serve as an executive.
>>27961513I'd honestly prefer just the Ten-Flag Council instead of a regular Chapter Master.Each company captain is a chapter master to himself.
>all these faggots namefagging as captains of the chapterNow I know the Krakens have fallen to faggotry. And then you people make shittons of writefaggotry that no one will ever read. Perhaps this was a mistake, to allow the viking theme to become a part of the chapter. Something about it ingenders the same faggotry the Space Wolves suffer, with over the top heroes and "I'm so independent of not just the imperium but the whole chapter!" along with the over usage of themes. Refernces are pretty good though, like Thorkell the Tall, Balmung, Achab and The Mariner. Characters like Mokoyl Mcaccentmarks and Sieswurd the NineNamesfag are not good in the slightest
>>27962025If you don't like it, then don't comment. Your negative presence is neither wanted nor needed.>>27961908This is how we're currently playing it out. In the current canon, the Ten Flags are voting on a Commodore, but it's a tie between Mǫkǫyll and Nyran, so until the Ancient Mariner casts his vote there's no commodore.
>>27950288Ok haven't been here in awhile how do you get the Star Kraken symbol?
>>27962137I suggested the Varangians, helped make them a facet of the chapter. Wrote both origins to the Mariner. I helped keep the shittines down at first. Now the chapter is the personal plaything of a few faggots who have no desire to confront each other and minimize the over working of every part of the chapter someone latches onto. The Chapter is no longer a cool little chapter of Space Marines doing Space Things in Space, but My OC being superawesome and he's probably gonna be the chapter master and here's some stories I wrote about my other OCS
>>27962302there is a DISTINCT overpopulation of namefags, and every homebrew thread i've seen thhat develops such becomes insular, circlejerky, and makes OP bullshit because everyone wants their special piece (that they've attached their name and ego to, no less) to be maximum awesome, with flaws that dont actually hurt them, and special weapons/gear/whatever that is always useful and never broken, flawed, shitty, or in any way related to the struggle to get anything at all in a universe in flames.
>>27962302>>27962547>>27962137This is a collaborative effort and no one, anon or tripfag, gets any special consideration no matter what they've done or how long they've been here. We put out ideas, others look at them and judge, and we change or keep them accordingly. The companies and their commanders have been fluffed; we still have the Deep and the surrounding planets to work on, along with events in the chapter's history. I suggest we focus on that rather than bitching at each other.
Y'know, I don't frequent these threads.Have some shitty drawfaggotry with blessings from Front Page Drama.
>tfw all the homebrew chapter threads you have made will never get this big>tfw every attempt to bring them back some trolls show up, kill it in it's tracks and it just dies.
>>27961513>Captain Jaqque>JaqqueHow did nobody immediately see CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW.
>>27962302Cool your jets. Although I agree people are taking the special a little bit too far on some of the companies, there's time yet to smooth this shit out down the road. When the Roster went up on the wiki and the call for names/descriptions was issued the idea was to give each Captain a name, and each company a sentence describing something about them.People have gotten... A little enthusiastic, but that doesn't mean, in the end, their effort can't still be boiled down to a single sentence (albeit extremely well researched).
>>27948810Nah. They look cool.
>all this bitching, none of this map namingSo I got bored and did it all myself.
Also just to weigh in on the special characters debate, I think this:>Thorolfr Finn commands the Seventh Company, alongside the Chapter's most venerable Chaplain, Sworgar Maldagius. Described even by their brethren as a vicious crew, the marines of the Seventh employ four assault units instead of two, and are rarely seen in port.Is the perfect level of description for a company. Got the name of important characters, got a bit of flavour, doesn't go overboard with how amazingly different they are to every other company. It's a neat little package.
>>27963472That is bretty good. Names could use a little work, but they're not bad, just... generic fantasy stuff
>>27963498It was already on the wiki, Seventh Company. Not my work.
>>27962958I was thinking Jacques Cousteau.
>>27963399Have we created a 1d4chan page for the sector?
>>27948773Could go for Svartalfsheim, or name it after a relevant dwarf from the Eddas. Alviss is the only one that comes to mind.
>>27948773What about "Mimir's Head" for the name of the forge world? I could totally see nordic-inspired techpriests equating their Omnisiah mith Mimir the god (kinda) or knowledge. Wotan's Eye would work as well, but is kind of mainstream.
>>27948642Why so that guy?
>>27964039Alviss sounds good. Svartalfsheim carries too much of a viking tone, or at leas one too similar to that of the Space Wolves. Of course that makes me think maybe we should include some things about viking rulership, like Jarls, champions and einherjar to bring out the real viking in the krakens and not the wolf-viking of the wolfwolves>>27964071Mimirs Head is good to. If we wanted to obfuscate the reference, we could name it the Mimir Cortex-world.
>>27953207>He gets his name from the old Warboss, after he grafted his predecessors brain onto his to gain his kunning.Did... did it work?I'd kind of think they'd just argue with eacth other even though they'd always agree.>More dakka!>No, MORE dakka you git!
>>27963399Hey map anon, you wanna help make some more threats in the sector and place their movements and such on the map? It's be cool to see the Siren Star locations blips where they were sighted and same for the actual slaaneshi sirens who relocate. I love those two ideas by the way and great work on the map it looks tits.Also I think an update on the ecosys/ grendel and eldar parts of the 1d4 chan would be neat. Are we going anywhere with the eldar bit I feel like it shows some promise. Also is it possible to show like trade routes on the map? It be neat to see where Grendel raiders and pirates would hit unsuspecting cargo ships and such between worlds.
>>27964125>EinherjarAlright, so tossing something out there.The chapter has a minor geneseed mutation to the Sus-an Membrane, which causes them to dream while they hibernate, almost always reliving their last battle again and again. Thus, any Star Kraken that stays in this state for long will go rather mad, making the others reluctant to wake them once they've been out for more than a day or so: said marines awaken caring for nothing but battle, and will usually seek out violence until they die. The chapter thus treats such marines as dead, and lays them to rest in a particular part of the Lighthouse called the Hall of the Slain, where they dream and battle eternally. These men are the Einherjar, and are greatly honored among the fallen of the Krakens.Known to few however, is the Gjallarhorn Protocol, an order which may be given by the Chapter Master only in the time of dire need. Upon giving this order, the Einherjar are to be awakened and sent to their final battle.
I think we're drastically losing sight of what originally endeared the Star Kraken to the people. They were an understrength chapter recovering from a massive blow, reduced to patrolling an unchartable phenomena in an otherwise wild sector of the Imperium with minimal resources.They're losing that underdog identity, and it's due to the overfluffing of the company Captain's. Being understrength doesn't mean shit if every marine is a specialist who is best at X, even amongst his already excellent brethren. Especially when they seem to be picking up more advanced equipment over shotgun bolters and breaching shields. (hell, when was the last time anyone even mentioned the shields)
>>27964171>implying that's not a great idea.
>>27964415The lack of stupid mutations is also a breath of fresh air. Or rather, WAS.
>>27964386Should probably establish how many Einherjar there are in stasis, then. It sounds to me like the Gjallarhorn Protocol is supposed to be something really badass and awesome, but if there's just a dozen marines in there it wouldn't exactly turn the tide of an apocalypse. Also, Marines can't last forever in their hibernation, so either the geneseed mutation responsible for the dreams and subsequent bloodlust also makes the hibernation potentially last much longer, of the Lighthouse itself has a facility which can be used to prolong their stasis, or a bit of both.
>>27964415I second this. I'm not saying people's back stories for captains are not needed, but lets get to the rest of the sector. We got cool boys here, understaffed and rugged Marines making do with what they got. The only blessing they got is the handfull of old ships and Huginn and Muninn. Barely enough to deal with Grendels, and pirates, and Slaanesi sirens.If you guys wanna keep writing about the captains, can I make a suggestion? Put them in the Deep and have them fight shit.Have Mokoyll get ambushed by a Grendel hit and run ship while resupplying at a agri world.Have Tyr blast through a fucking pirate ship behind a fucking viking phalanx of shields made from ripped hulls with krakens painted on them and find the pirates are stashing Grendel weaponry with xeno tech and are headed towards a known Rogue Trader den.Fucking have a nameless rank and file Kraken Marine lost in the void separated from his ship mid space combat to hear singing being broadcasted into his helmet.We got cool ass dudes guys, but they're kinda just sitting around talking about how cool they are, instead of being in the Thick of the Deep fighting for their lives and being fucking awesome.
>>27964386Maybe instead of a mutation (as >>27964527notes, the chapter is better off as a low-mutation chapter.) Maybe the hibernation dreams and the madness they cause are due to some kind of psychic feedback from the Hugnn/Munin device. Then Valhal (the stasis device at the Lighthouse) would provide the bulk of their extended hibernation period. Also, probably limit it to <100 marines frozen this way, enough to briefly put the Krakens over the top in terms of manpower when Gjall is blown, at least until the Einherjar wear themselves down by refusing to eat, drink, or sleep.
>>27964636I want to read every single one of those stories. Seriously, get on it writefags.Also a thought: perhaps in his haste Achab didn't totally wipe Grendel civilization off their worlds. Yes, every living being is dead, and the world has been scorched, but perhaps examples of their biotech survives... In hardened facilities, underground bunkers, alien fortresses and the like. The Cabal know they're there, and routinely attempt to extract this tech from the dead worlds. And of course the Kraken try to stop them.
>>27964891The chapter is understrength at 800 as it stands. You'd need ~200 Einherjar in Valhal to get it back to full strength. I'd say keep it at ~200.Achab's madness could be an example of the Einherjar effect.
>>27965174So that would make the krakens TECHNICALLY a full strength chapter, but 200 of them are Einherjar, in permanent stasis within the Valhal.How long can an Astartes go without food or water? I know they can go an ass-long time without sleep. I'm trying to figure out how long the Einherjar could boost the Krakens' numbers before they start to collapse. Does their armor recycle water? Might just be food as a limiting factor then: I think a human can go 3 weeks without food, but then Astartes would need far more calories than a human would. So, once the Gjallrhorn Protocol is activated the chapter would gain +200 marines for a week, maybe two.
>>27965227>So that would make the krakens TECHNICALLY a full strength chapter, but 200 of them are Einherjar, in permanent stasis within the Valhal.But the Krakens consider the Einherjar as casualties. Most of the Krakens don't even know about the Gjallrhorn Protocol
>>27964636>>27965167I agree. If it makes you feel better, I'm currently working on a story focusing on Olaus and the 2nd Company boarding a Nurgle plague vessel that wandered into the sector.>>27964386>>27964527>>27964891Personally, I'm not a fan of excessive mutations on Astartes. I prefer the idea that it's psychic feedback from Huginn and Munnin (Good thought, anon.)
>>27965227>>27965174>>27964636>>27964617>>27964386You guys are enthusiastic, and you're thinking, that's great. But the idea isn't. Not only is it ANOTHER speshul characteristic, but it's something we've seen before in canon chapters: namely Dark Angels and Death Company.I couldn't be more against this line of thinking.
>>27965311Agreed. We're struggling not to collapse into Inductorism as it is, this beserker sleep with a nonsense name isn't helping.
>>27965352>nonsense nameBut it's not.
>>27965311>Not only is it ANOTHER speshul characteristic, but it's something we've seen before in canon chaptersWell then I suppose it's not that speshul, now is it?I like it if only for the reason that it introduces a harmful side effect to the Deep: it fucks their hibernation up. (I agree the geneseed mutation is a shit way to go with it). As it is it seems like these guys aren't really effected by their environment in any way, which is dumb.And it's important to remember this isn't a strength, it's a weakness: when most Astartes go into hibernation they can be healed up and snapped back to life, but in the Deep it's a death sentence.
Who's the chapter master? What does he look like? Maybe use the head of pic related to make him stand out?
>>27965677Also the kraken icon from the dark elves make a great thing to put on top of the chapter banner.
I vote for "Svartalfheim" being a random portal where Dark Eldar often come out to raid and pillage our shit.
>>27965538Neither is Welsh, but Qwqqwerdsyu sure looks like nonsense when it's mixed with English words.>>27965608Okay, it's maybe it's not uniquely special, but it is stupid. Also "not effected by their environment"? Have you even read any of the fluff about the Deep?
>>27965780>QwqqwerdsyuBut... that IS nonsense. That's not a welsh word.
Did we ever decide if the Grendel were making Pacts with unknown dark powers that may or may not be chaotic in nature?
>>27956853That works with the whole "There is some scary shit in the deep that people still don't know about."I rather like the deep to be something like a Bermuda Triangle of space. Well one that's not part of the Warp.
>>27965820>100% semantics, 0% counter>>27965822No, they're just plain old aliens who managed to fuck the astartes. Really it's the Administratum's fault the Grendel kicked so much ass.
>>27965608Anon is right, bezerker-marines has been done enough before, and it's a Mary-Sueish reason to have some super marines who can wreck face.What if the hibernation were still to drive them mad, but in a properly mad, adrift at sea kind of a way. Marines wake up still in a dream state. They ramble and mutter, are distracted or just catatonic. They can't distinguish reality from dream, and as a result they're useless in battle. Unable to fight, or to serve the chapter in some other way, they could be put back into stasis to dream their endless dream.
>>27965876It's just semantics to point out that the example you used was fabricated?Norse terms look fine mixed with English. Especially in the kinds of settings we play around in.
>>27965892Anon is wrong. Berserker-marines have been done in a few ways, and one more fits just fine, especially to a chapter with solid links to norse and lovecraftian mythos.There is nothing Mary-Sueish about this. What are you doing?Despite all this your last point is a very reasonable one. The state should be far more varied. Some turn berserk, some become distant rambling lunatics, some even speak of strange things they saw in their dreams that demanded their servitude... These ones are of course destroyed before tales of their taint could spread.
>>27965904Yes, yes it is. Picking on an umimportant part of the argument (ie: an example word) without addressing the crux of the argument is the definition of arguing semantics. You might as well have picked on the grammar.Some short Norse words look okay after they've been English'd slightly. Those long ones used so densely just look like clusterfucks.>>27965869I think the Icacian Eye or whatever was described as a siren at some point.
I am back, and very suprised this thread is still going.Looks like we've attracted a lot of nay-sayers though. Here's what I think:Get rid of that Einherjar business.Write about anything you want, planets/locations/people.We'll take a look at all the namedfags later on and get rid of anything that doesn't fit in, or seems too Mary-Sueish.Other than that, should we just get back to fluffing the sector?
>>27965876Too bad liked to think that the Grendels were actually more of a threat other than yet another group of raiders.
>>27965956They were a massive threat, they still are I think.Have you read any of the Grendel stuff on the 1d4chan page, or about Captain Achab? If not, do it now.
>>27965932>>27965954Agreed the whole berserker thing's been done to death by everything else.Oh have to think up something, that Deep would have to be filled with Space Hulks.
>>27965932>Thread 2: these Marines have only the slightest variance to codex standard, brought about by the practicalities of being separated in the Deep>Thread 5: my Captain has laser eyes and a super hammer. Well mine is an expert pillage with a 14 inch pecker!>Thread 8: and the reason they're REALLY understrength is because half their marines are in a special sleep state, and when they wake up they go beserker and get used as special hondeldorfen shock troops, and it's all a big dark secret!*sigh*
>>27965956>>27965978Actually in thread 7 the Grendels were fleshed out a lot. I liked the idea of their worlds being razed and them retreating into the Deep. Some anons proposed darker powers, some that they still have worlds in the deep. I like to think we dont really know and that's why the Krakens are having such a fuck hard time getting all of them.As a tie in with the Rogue Trader cabal, the administratum fuck up could have been on purpose possibly. The Rogue Traders could be paying off low level admins and have people on the payroll to supply the marines in the sector bad info on just how bad the Deep is. It was said in 7 that they trade with the Grendel and sell them weapon mods and info. The RTs use them to supply the demand in the sector. With our boys being the only defenders plus a few cobbled togther PDFs and such they can easily mislead them from the bigger picture.
>>27965956Why does something have to be ruinous to be a threat? The Tau are a threat, and they're squeaky clean. As it is the Grendel were a massive threat to the sector, so much so that an entire Space Marine chapter was founded to fight them.
>>27966033Seriously, it's getting a little stupid now.>>27966059I was there I'd like to think that the Grendel have something going on that allows them to move through the deep freely.
>>27966059This sector is starting to sound like it was rather lawless before the Kraken set up shop. A token Navy base on the fringe and nothing else? Maybe that's why the Cabal had it so good, and now they're trying to covertly drive them out so they can be the law again.
>>27966199*Taps nose*I like where you are going anon.
>>27966185Originally they didn't move through it freely, they skimmed it, just enough to throw off the cautious Naval forces without getting lost. Plunging into the Sea of Nix was a desperate move to escape.
>>27966033Original Space Marine tiersEdgy Tier: This chapter was designed simply to make their story nothing but suffering.Lamenters Tier: An original chapter designed to be the underdogs even compared to the grimdarkness of 40k.Grimdark Tier: A space marine group of equal status to a canon one.? Tier:Awesome Tier: A chapter that is unique enough to stand out from the other chapters in uniqueness without becoming too powerfulFunny Tier: A humorous but most likely useless chapter done just for fun.? Tier:Noble Bright Tier: A Chapter that fights the good fight in a universe without good. 40k Friendship is Magic Tier: Noble Bright taken to the extreme.ANGRY Tier: FUUUUUUUUU
GuysI've looked at the map and realised: Achab's Passage, Huginn's Light and The Calm Belt create a navigable channel between the Sector capital and the majority of the sector.What if commercial vessels are using the shipping lane now, and totally bypassing all of the Cabal's money making facilities on the old, longer route?Gives the Kraken a trading route to police, pirates to fight, brings the sector to them etc...
>>27966358It create a safe channel that is probably attacked by pirates, freebootas,and Grendel all the time. The Cabal just keep poking holes and things and keep getting malicious forces into what was previously secure areas and patrolled channels. But the Krakens won't buldge and this probably has the cabal dialing up more and more trouble there. It makes a perfect shit storm.
Just seen the 1d4chan page, are we really going with the Einherjar?
>>27966745I really hope not.
>>27966757Someone is really trying to give the Marines a defect in their gene-seed. Last time it was a calcification thing, but that was ruled out.I'm not sure how I feel about this.I'd rather have just a Chapter with no defects, their only troubles come from the strife caused by having no central leader.
>>27966784Oh man that's hilarious, anon is getting all butthurt and egotistical about his precious idea being shot down, so much so he's forcing them onto the wiki... Which is something no namefag in any Kraken thread has ever done. Bucking the trend, much?
>>27966866Well I don't know, I'm not going to point and name names, mostly because I don't know if it's the same anon.Should we just stick to fluffing the sector out for now, and then have a proper discussion about the defects later on?
>>27966886We have discussed mutations/defects. Several times. In multiple threads. Every time it was eventually agreed upon that they didn't need anything beyond standard Raven Guard.Next thread though (which will be soon) should be dedicated to sector discussion, and it should say as much in the OP. That'd be a step in the right direction, instead of rehashing things that have already been decided.
>>27967000Agreed.We've hit the bump limit, so I've archived the thread. Once this hits page 10 I'll create another thread, unless someone beats me to it, and we will continue to fluff out the Phorcys Sector.
>>27966886>>27966784>>27967116Like I said before, I'm not a huge fan of the defect idea. Let's stick to fluffling out the sector for now.Also, not really a fan of people posting WIP material on the wiki.See you tomorrow.
>>27967116The latest map says "Phorcius Sector?"
>>27967130So I forget what we've called it, big whoop, wanna fight about it?
>>27967201Good. Anyway, you know what we're like, we just change a word into a different language, swap a few letters around and boom, we have our planet name.
>>27959801Alright. I threw that in to try and add some flavor, but its understandably honkey. >>27959840No, serfs and the like. Although I cna make it so that he punishes his 'wanting' Marines in some sort of horrible fashion>>27961279Did I ruffle your jim-bobs with that one?I like criticism, so if anyone wants to see something changed (like >>27959801) and is reasonable about it, I can edit it.
>>27962958>>27963901That was actually my inspiration behind it. But, I can see how it would be misinterpreted as Jack Sparrow. I can change it to something else if people don't like it.
>>27964636This is what rough drafts are for. Now that I know that people want this type of story/background, Me and the rest of the writefags can get on it. Thank you for being honest and giving us some direction. I'm namefagging myself so that people know who's writing 6th Company's fluff, and can direct their insults/criticism/praise at the proper person. Also:>>27959318>>27959333>>27968964>>27969003Are my posts. Just for reference. i've got some family stuff to attend to, but If the thread is still up when I get back, I'll fix some of the things that people requested.