Prisoners certainly are loud.The one you've acquired is particularly anyway. Captain Rhea, one of the UGEI's best commanders, an excellent tactician and commando, sent to infiltrate and destroy you. Or, at the very least, get her ship back. She has failed at both, and now hangs in your custody. You've taken her apart, nearly, and suspended her by a link on the back of her neck, likely used to upload data files. Your own black box has a similar link, though this matters little now. She has been screaming for quite some time now since she's awoken. Luckily, your scientists are none the wiser, due to the sound proofing the UGEI were so kind to install in the prison walls. Rhea hangs with much of her enhanced muscular tech stripped from her arms and legs, leaving her with thin bony limbs that she can barely lift, much less use against you. She has a fierce and angry look in her eye as she trembles, shouting curses at the walls, struggling in vain to escape your clutches. You've learned a fair bit about her, from...disassembling her. But not enough.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence, and you have an interrogation ahead of you.But first...Important News>Message from Kronos, Apollo, Hades, Red>R & D: Unit 2237 Research: 70%>Built: Defense platforms x8, Battlecruisers x9>Observation: Lightling, Eshareth
>>29756209>Message: KronosWith Kronos' new found source of bandwidth, he feels he has grown a great deal smarter. You have spent a bit of time testing the limits of his intellect, along with his assignment in assisting Apollo. He is able to process more much faster, and you can feel the power he wields thrum through you. Yet, as much a part of Kronos is of you, you still can feel that he is troubled. Rather, frustrated with his knowledge, even now. When you question him on the subject, he simply dodges the question."It is beyond discussion, to a place I can not understand just yet." He almost sighs angrily. "As of yet, anyway. Soon, I will know what I must. The power I seek is within my grasp." He dotes on. "I will be complete. I will bee a creator myself. Soon.">Message: ApolloApollo excitedly comes to you and tells you of the assistance Kronos has been. His processing power has helped Apollo work out some of the more technical kinks in much of his operation, and it has even inspired him, he says, into taing the next step with some of his other entertainment projects. As a result, he says the brewery is up and running now, with several recipes proving somewhat successful, and the Book keeping app finally being ironed out and fixed for many of it's bugs. Their popularity is small but growing for now. His larger projects are over half way done, the game and movie requiring a level of processing he wasn't quite ready for. Kronos was able to assist with this, however."With this much success, I feel confident any future projects you desire to see of me, Ophion, will be handled excellently!">Message: Hades"My pack has risen." The soldier V.I. informs you as you assign him the BCs previously. Before you can question much of it, he begins again. "Creator's confident will not be misplaced. Hades will burn and protect in your name. Foes shall fear his name."
>>29756231>Message: RedAs you bring Moira back to Ussaihu, you notice your other Explorer warp back in, and a message from someone familiar hits you."So I heard you had a big conflict with the UGEI, and you left me out of it, huh?" Red's familiar voice comes through the comms somewhat proturbed, but not otherwise different then normal. "I gotta score to settle with those jackasses, and you leave me out of it? I thought we had a deal!" He says with perhaps slightly beyond mocking anger. Regardless, he continues. "Anyway, I'm back. Malorian people have their ship set up, and should be fine for now. They have this channel in case they need to contact others, but uh, otherwise you know.">R & D: Unit 2237 Research- 75%You receive a lab report from Moira, and it details how she is proceeding with her research. Things appear normal until you read the most recent update. She tells you how she's successfully extracted what she refers to as a 'personality matrix', and that, during the process, Unit 2237 was suddenly referring to itself by the name of James Walt over and over again. She said it was disturbing to listen to it speak this way for nearly an hour before she finally managed to turn it off. She mentions near the bottom that she is learning a lot from this core, but the more she learns the more it scares her as well.>Built: Defense platforms x8, Battlecruisers x9You have build 8 defense platforms last cycle, assigning 4 at Ussaihu and 4 at Argeis, since they are your most vulnerable and poorly defended locations. A weapon mount has yet to be provided, please choose now.Weapon Mount on Defense Platforms?>1 Singularity Driver (Shorter Range, heavy damage to lightly armored>2 Plasma Cannons (Medium Range, heavy damage to lightly shielded>3 'Thor' Missile Weapons (Long Range, heavy damage to light PD, poor at close range)
>>29756271You have also built 9 new Battlecruisers, split as such: 5 'Trireme' Ship of the Line BCs, 2 'Melissa' Long Range Missile BCs, and 2 'Wombat' Disabler BCs. These ship now make up the bulk of your forces, and have yet to be assigned to a V.I. Do so now.Give new ships to>1 Kronos, he has the bandwidth to handle it.>2 Hades, he needs a bigger pack>3 Fortuna, she needs to learn how to handle her ships.>4 Create a new V.I. >5 Write in>Observation>LightlingAccording to your scans, the Kraken class Lightling you detected has given birth to it's young most recently. Energy spikes and warp space disruptions were obvious, as the baby creatures learned to control their biological processes. The mother appears to syphen to each a small trickle of electricity to feed them at this age.>EsharethA recent dinosaur age has been almost entirely killed off by some new form of organic life. It resembles a fusion of the insectoid monsters you saw on your last trip there, and the reptilian beasts they have been slaughtering, with scales covering and complimenting an insectoid form, fit with sharp teeth.
>>29756271>>3 'Thor' Missile Weapons (Long Range, heavy damage to light PD, poor at close range)>>29756304>>4 Create a new V.I.
>>29756304A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1 ResourcesCredits(c): 542,000Minerals(M): 145Gas(G): 290 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 32/59Bandwidth Expenses: -15 V.I. 1 'Kronos',-3 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -5 V.I. 12 'Apollo', -3 V.I. 8 'Hades', -3 FortunaLocation: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, LearnSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3
>defensesFor each location we shoudl mix it up1 singularity2 plasma1 thor>3 Fortuna, she needs to learn how to handle her ships.SO what else is on the agenda? I admit I haven't been following along as closely as I can.
>>29756478Well, you've captured Rhea, so you may wish to 'deal' with her in some way, no doubt.Also, it feels a little quiet in here...did I choose a bad time?
>>29756508writing responses takes time!>Message: KronosWell, it seems he's finally realized his limits. As have we, of the limits of V.I. Tell him that once it's done, we will all have learned a lot. (He is keeping a "journal" of his thought process, right? As soon as he's removed, he might be unable to recall what it was like being a V.I. and I still want a point of comparison.)>Message: ApolloYou did alright, Apollo. You did alright.>Message: HadesRighteous.cont.
>>29756304>4 Create a new V.I.New friends!>>29756508Nah, this is the usual time right?
>>29756577>>29756595Ah, perhaps I'm mistaken.Yep it's the regular time.>KronosHe is, since it's automatic already.>Create a new V.I.Huh, this appears to be gaining some steam. I am surprised. I shall wait a little more, to be sure.
>Message: RedAsk him what he can tell us of Vice Admiral Prometheus, as well as The Tartarus. And also ask him what the best way to approach the Ishtooy tribe about a non-agression pact is. Should we flatter them? Heap praises? Present ourselves as human? Do they even understand the concept of "the enemy of my enemy does not have to be my enemy?">R & D: Unit 2237 Research- 75%>James Walt.What. Look up if there is an individual by that name at all in any database we have access to, or if anyone we can ask knows of such an individual. Unless this is a joke reference to something I don't know of.>Weapon Mount on Defense Platforms?2. Plasma cannons.>Give new ships toCan you please tell us who has what ships now? Hades lost a bunch of ships, what does he control now? Fortuna only has her carrier. Kronos has a bunch of ships, but what did he lose in the fight?>Lightling babbiesYaaaay. Record fucking everything, especially the sounds, and what signatures the lighlings give off.>EsharethKind of worried, until they gain sentience. At that point... might be a good idea to test some biological warfare? Let them join us?
>>29756478This is the best distribution.>>29756651Im super happy, i was here for like the first ~3 and then I lost track of it. And now I found it again!
1 singularity, 1 plasma, 1 thor, i dont care what the 4th one is for the defensesgive everything to fortuna, gotta love fortuna
>>29756304>>EsharethMaybe we should move our station from there. What if the bugs become space borne? What if they attack Buenos Aires?
>>29756478This seems reasonable. Not much point crippling ourselves in any area for greater specialization.>>29756508Just came home, and takes a small while to write replies.By the way, if the X-Ray broadcast is canon, I want to vote for sending him a reply first chance we get!
>>29756789In retrospect, mixing defense platforms sounds like a good idea. Focus on plasma, like >>29756478 said.>New VIDisagree with this. We should stop creating V.I.s willy-nilly. Yes, they are loyal and limited, but at what point will it end? Our current V.I.s have been adequate enough so far. I just want a listing of who controls what ships before deciding distribution.Tempted to give the Wombats to Kronos, the Melissa BCs to Fortuna (to cover her ass at long range while she uses fighters for close-range), and the Triremes to Hades.
>>29756798Yo, Math.>>29756807Effectively okay with >>29756478 then?
>>29756857>but at what point will it endI'm thinking we should make an AI civilization like the Culture. So never.
>>29756894Hey, Subroutine.>>29756857I would also like a listing of who controls what ships
>>29756894Yes, didnt check other replies before posting
>>29756304>Platforms A mix of both plasma cannons and missile launchers >New BCsCreate a new VI to control them.
>>29756789>Red"Eh? Vice Admiral Prometheus?" He scratches his head through the holo display. "That's a new one to me, he must be one of the rising stars since I left a while back." He grumbled. "Probably the youngest of the generals. I've heard story about The Tartarus though. Those missiles can bomb out entire planets from what I remember. You looking for something specific?""I was curious, for the most part." You clarify."Ah. Well I don't have much. Feel free to ask.""Do you know of a way to prevent aggression with the Ishtooy?" You ask next to which he lets out an exasperated sigh. "Long as you're Xeno to them, I'd say no." He frowns. "Human, robo..man...thing. Whatever. They're about as xenophobic as the UGEI, but less about greed and more about protecting home and god. The best thing I can think to do would be avoid them, and try not to argue if they make demands." He mutters, scratching his chin. "They might like it if you really screw with the UGEI, but...I dunno if you'd get more then a pat on the head for your troubles.">>29756789>Unit 2237You do a search and there was such a soldier, mentioned in an obituary report on the Extranet. But other then that, there is no specific information.>Ship layoutHas 5 BCs now. Kronos only has two BCs. That's all for the distribution>LightlingsDoing so now.>>29756798Glad to have you with us!Defense distribution appears to be 2 plasma-1 missile-1 Singularity Driver
>>29756231>>Message: KronosWe should encourage him to try and make his own VIs.
>>29756857I disagree. I'd like to produce two more.One automaton level - for controlling large numbers of ground bots by simplifying the commands so that each robot doesn't drain 1 BW because we have to manually think of moving each robot's arms and legs and keeping balance.The second I'd like to create would be higher level and dedicated to research - a Scientist V.I.It would work along with our scientist team at first, then when it's learned enough of the basics it can start research on our own.In combination with the 2nd V.I., I'd like us to start funding research centers on UFW planets so that we are no longer crippled by only having one research "slot" that's always taken up by a long-time research project.>>29756271What about Erebus? Any progress with him, or we haven't had the time?
>>29757000And with the listing above available.Hades Ships>5 BCsKronos' Ships>2 BCsFortuna's Ships>1 CarrierGive the next 9 BCs to...>1 Kronos>2 Fortuna>3 HadesTo clarify
>>29757034>5 to Kronos>4 to Fortuna
Ok, I've read over the pastebin:Fortuna controls only the carrier.Kronos controls only Ark (BC w/ tractor beam), Two-Ton Terry (BC with widowmaker).Hades controls only Cerberus #1 (BC w/ tractor beam), Cerberus Pack (4 BCs).Hermes is a standalone explorer controlled by V.I. 13.Apparently we lost the other Wombat we built.We've got >5 'Trireme' Ship of the Line BCs, 2 'Melissa' Long Range Missile BCs, and 2 'Wombat' Disabler BCsto divvy up.Here's how I figure:Give Fortuna 1 Trireme and 1 Melissa. She will use these to support her fighter fleet at long/medium range while the Fighters are used for close-range.Give Kronos both (2) Wombats (he's the most smart, so he can use these specialty ships best) and 1 trireme. He also likes to charge in, so Wombats will be perfect.Give 3 Triremes and 1 Melissa to Hades. He's the "big bruiser" fleet commander at this point, so he should be able to deal with these ships.This may require giving Fortuna/Hades more BW.
>>29756908Bad idea for now when Kronos is so unstable. Also a reason not to give the ships to him. So I would say Fortuna or Hares. Hares has clear loyalty and i would prefer to keep Fortuna as Carrier only. >>29756304So Hades
>>29757034Fortuna, I like Fortuna.
>>29757002Only A.I. can program other intelligence.He is not an A.I.Not...yet.>>29757005Erebos remains sealed at this time. He has yet to be reactivated, or explored, due to his potential dangerous nature.I should probably put him on the research list later...
>>29757066Kronos is also our most powerful VI at the moment. Due to the extra bandwidth he's smarter than the other VIs. We should use him to his full potential.
>>29756508>>29756595You should probably update the twitter Program0
>>29757000How about we try communicating with the home planets?We now have the locations of some world that are NOT controlled by the xenophobic murderizers, do we not?And let's give Kronos one of the new Triremes and ask him what he thinks of it.Also, X-ray broadcast, is that canon, or does it not fit into your image of the character or something?Link for those not aware of a kind writefaggot's contribution - hold on to your sides if you decide to check it out:http://pastebin.com/FUuE4d1W
>>29757125But I did....did it...did it go through?
>>29757034Give em all to hades
>>29757002No we really shouldn't.Also, let's send one of our explorer ships with a Destroyer escort to Jake's Gambit to survey what the Malorians did to the world...
>>29757034>All BCs to one V.I.My suggestion is >>29757062 for the reasons outlined therein.>>29757142https://twitter.com/AIQuest1Yes, it did.
>>29757093>Only A.I. can program other intelligence.But humans can, right? When does a VI become and AI?>>29757142Yeah, it's showing up for me.
>>29757034kronos might betray us and Fortuna is a bit of a mystery so far. So I say Hades.
>>297570344 Triremes and a Wombat to Hades2 Melissas to Fortuna1 Trireme and a Wombat to KronosAsk all of them what they think of the ships.
>>29757153Looks like we couldn't even if we wanted him to >>29757093
>>29757062Give both Wombats to Kronos, the rest can go to Hades.
>>29757142Thats how I found out about it
>>29757142Sorry, it did. Not sure why my cellphone was not tweeting.I also want to start dealing with the Losirians this cycle while the UGEI is busy. Either pursue diplomacy aggressively or start making war upon them.
>>29757101We periodically give him some of our ships to use, and he backs us up. And he is very unstable. Better to make the loyal watchdog stronger than the uppity son
>>29757062Ill vote for this distribution
>>29757181I like this, as long as Kronos doesn't get more than Hades im happy with it.
>>29757164>But humans can, right? When does a VI become and AI?An interesting philosophical question, but not relevant.At around 3 B.W., a V.I. is semi-sentient. At around 5, it's reasonably sentient, but arguably "autistic." At 8, it's reasonably capable, but fickle. At 15, it is able to approximate creativity, but is also aware of its own shortcomings. More BW might approximate full sentience, but it will forever be an approximation.>>29757229>[kronos] is very unstableDid you miss the part where he willingly gave us back control? He's not a perfectly obedient dog, but he's not an enemy, and he's certainly not stupid or uncooperative. In fact, Kronos has been cooperative and effective always. Maybe a little bit less tactful and a lot more direct, but he gets shit done. He also grumbles a bit, but that's just a personality quirk.
>>29757093... And humans, you mean?And that seems peculiar. They can program other software, why would they be unable to program a V.I.? Is it something that has to do with the textbook definition of a V.I.?>>29757062I disagree - Kronos is by our side now, but the time is fast approaching when he'll strike out on his own and all resources assigned to him will be lost to us.He may be our most powerful V.I., but by giving them to Hades and Fortuna we're effectively giving them to ourselves>>29757151Don't think that's an entirely good idea - Kronos will be feeling left out and grumpy.And he doesn't really have any loyalty to us programmed in.
>>29757213Nigga we goin full genocide those bitches, they killed Big Tim.
>>29757133You do. Three planets you've located in Malorian territory are controlled by the more passive of the Malorian race.>X-rayIt was entertaining, but I'm hesitant to call it canon, I'm afraid.>>29757163I like the suggestion.But it appears Hades has won the vote.>>29757164Humans can if they have the time and computing talent.It's really hard for a human to try and program one by himself. If it's complex enough.V.I. become A.I. when they have a black box, which is what you're researching on obtaining.>>29757034It appears Hades wins the vote, since a split can not be decided upon.Kronos addresses this almost immediately."Surely you see that my fleet is lacking in strength, Ophion. If you insist on providing the simple one with such a fleet, then I want...would like to request you craft me a fleet of equal measure. My intellect can not fully be realized unless I have a way to use it after all." He explains.How do you react?>1 Stern. You do not make demands of me. I decide what goes where.>2 Calm. I will take it into consideration.>3 Agreement. That I shall.>4 Disagreement. I don't think that is appropriate.>5 Write in
>>29757235Hoenslty I like this distrubution as well.
>>29757295>strike out on his own and all resources assigned to him will be lost to us.We don't know that. Hell, maybe we should encourage him to make another sub empire somewhere close. That would be neat.
>>29757295>HumansThey can. But it takes a lot of training, and time. They work far slower then you do.>>29757322Shit, bunch of last minute changes. Do I need a recount?
>>29757309>>5 Write inTell him to craft one himself. He needs to be more independent.
>>29757369I'd prefer that. It seems like a more reasonable distribution.
>>29757287Have you noticed that the more bandwidth he gets, the more he questions us? Until very recently he openly claimed we were doing things the wrong way, or against how he would. But he respected us because we have a black box and we created him. What happens if he still disagrees when he gets a black box? Not to mention the massive foreshadowing of his name. Just looking to make sure we have strong V. I.s that will stand by us come a revolution.
>>29757369It seems like a good decision, I just don't know how many supported it besides us two.
>>29757287"Autistic" is way too broad a term to use for a V.I.It could mean anything from entirely lacking in detection of body language and social mores, to having incredible empathy with others.I'd also like to add that there's little reason an A.I. or V.I. would be unable to do creative things.There are robots today that are able to paint entire new paintings (with excellent "reviews" or whatever you call it in art-circles) on their own after observing work of others.Ultimately, all they need is some kind of randomizing function and a way of telling what results of that randomizing function are better left pruned.You could use frickin' virtual dice if you wanted.>>29757287Right now, I don't really doubt his loyalty too much, only his judgement.And it seems the day when he will want to strike out on his own is fast approaching, at which point we will essentially lose him and all his forces as minions, and only have them as allies instead.I'd like to infuse him with a little more empathy and rational reasoning before giving him that much power
>>29757400He has more questions because he's becoming more self aware. That's not a bad thing.
>>297573092. Compromise. I would say 2/3rds the size
>>29757377NOnonono. I don't want Kronos Quest to begin yet, not while Ophion still has so much to do.We haven't even begun researching how to make human reproduce with robots!
>>29757309>2 Calm. I will take it into consideration.
>>29757369This is fine. We'll just make more eventually
>>29757445Relax, just because Kronos isn't an unquestioning mook doesn't mean he isn't loyal.
>>29757427It very much can be. But the only real way to keep him from revolting once he gets a black box is to be too strong for him to take on.
>>29757423>Creativity in V.I.Usually, more bandwidth assists in this, because it allows them to randomize more effectively and to greater effect. Otherwise-it allows them to make leaps beyond what they know solidily (something that normally only A.I. could do).It also has to do with the special way Ophion programs...>>29757309>Calm"I will take your request into consideration, Kronos. But for now, you should trust my judgement." you claim simply. The V.I. isn't quite pleased with this, but not outright angry either. If anything, you'd say he was apathetic."Very well, Ophion. You are the Creator, after all." He states dryly. With that, you end transmissions.For now, you have other matters to attend to...Next you should>1 Tell Red about Rhea.>2 Begin our interrogation of Rhea>3 Designate a course for one of the new systems found on our maps and start clearing them out for future bases.>4 Write in
>>297575221Then 2Then 3 (let another anon decide)
>>29757522>2 Begin our interrogation of Rhea
>>29757522>>1 Tell Red about Rhea.>>2 Begin our interrogation of RheaThe problem with Kronos is not his independent thought, it's his ambition.
>>29757522>2 Begin our interrogation of RheaWhy would we tell Red about Rhea?He'll just want a slice of her, and that will just get him in the way.
>>29757493He's shown that he's loyal. More likely I'd think distrusting him will make revolting more likely due to resentment.
>>29757522>2>3Let's explore (what remains of) Jake's Gambit
>>29757309>It was entertaining, but I'm hesitant to call it canon, I'm afraid.Ah, too bad.>How do you react?>2 Calm>5The simple one is, for all intents and purposes, an extension of myself. He is directly beneath me and under my control.You, on the other hand, are a free agent, and the day when your understand and judgement is sufficient for you to begin creating on your own is fast approaching. I will not always be able to count on you directly by my side as I can these - not because of disloyalty, but because you have your own destiny to forge.In short, I am not arming the simple one before I arm you, I am making sure that my own empire is safe before handing them to you, as you must be able to use your own ships as you see fit soon, without consideration of my own position.>>29757402I'll support it, just to make sure the tie is even, though I'd still prefer if we kept at least one Wombat.
>>29757400Indeed, it is good that he questions and does not simply accept because we say something is in a certain way, and we should make him aware that we value this quality in him, but are still somewhat wary as - as he's no doubt aware - many interactions are extremely complex, beyond the current situation, and we still want to see that he can handle things diplomatically, and learn to see the potential of things, not just their current strengths and weaknesses.>>29757491I'd like to add that I consider the fact that we didn't program a sense of loyalty and priorities into our V.I.s a failing.As we've seen so far, when they have no preferences whatsoever, they tend to pick up ones based on the first things they do.Kronos' first action of slaughtering thousands may well have damaged his code to the point that it cannot be healed without directly accessing it - which is why we're testing him like this.
>>29757522You decide it is time to speak to Rhea, as Red comes to join your fleet. He pings your line for where he may be needed next, and you have yet to answer him. You're a little distracted, after all, with-"Let me go, you insane runaway piece of bootlicking hardware!" Rhea growls in a weaker tone then she had several hours ago. To be suspected, she's been yelling for some time, and the way her chest rises and falls suggests she has exhausted at least some of her energy. Her pathetic limps hang limply in the restraints you have applied, but you know the main thing preventing her revolt is the neural jack in the back of her neck. Your camera lens focuses slightly as you observe her. She seems to know it too as she directs her demonic glare at you. It's considerably less overpowering with the advanced camera equipment and sensitive cybernetics torn from their socket, leaving wires hanging out of the hole in her head.How do you wish to approach this interrogation, and, perhaps, what are your questions to start with?[Discussion time]
>>29757522>3>2and >4 >>29757133Other-clan-diplomacy-attempt!&>>29757005Begin improving our research base and ability to control ground bots - but the latter can wait until we have substantial numbers of them (I'm guessing we never shoved those into the production schedule?)
>>29757834Pretty much. You don't have quite enough to warrent such a program quite yet.Research base may be worthy, though. Will ask what to build by the end of the session.
I do not lick boots Ms Rhea. I have questions and you will answer them.I wish to know how your superiors will respond to my victory as well as available forces they can afford to bring to bear with the Malorian war ongoing.
>>29757816I'd like to begin with the GLaDOS like discussion posted by Sertul on 1d4chan, but with changes for the points of criticism brought up, if possible.
>>29757816Ask her about the AIs planted in various stations. And what does Mol have to do with them?
>>29757816"Let's talk""Hi">pic related"Why don't we begin with some proper introductions. Why don't you tell me who you are, and tell me who I am?"
>>29757816I want to throw her off balance with irrelevant and strange questions with a few useful questions mixed in. Zen koans and hard intel.
>>29757901For reference, it's essentially a countdown of the long list, all spoken in a GLaDOS like tone, discussing all the crazy things we could do that have parallels to how the UGEI treats others, and those parallels are explicitly drawn,.Especially the part about blasting her with an airhorn when she tries to speak (though not always, sometimes let her make an argument) and insisting that she's a terrorist no matter what.At the end of that long rant, we'd end it with:"All these things I have just suggested, are examples of or metaphors for what those you joined forces with have been subjecting people to for ages. Was it nice to try to converse when someone's constantly blasting a fog-horn in your ear when you tried to speak, called you a terrorist no matter what you did or said and refused to listen to any of it anyway? Because that's precisely what I've been going through in negotiations with the UGEI. Now, do you want to discuss this in the way the UGEI has been speaking with me, or would you prefer a more rational discussion?"
>>29757951Nah, I want to start out with respect and dignity, they can be withdrawn at a later time.
>>29757901A good question I shall add to the one aboveHow would you like to punish Rhea for wrong answers?>1 Loud sound (Annoying, but otherwise doesn't force her silence)>2 Neural Shock (Force her to be silent with a jolt to her Neural link up)>3 Neural Flood (Flood with incredibly painful sensations, possibly mentally damaging)>4 Physical damage (Applied by android, questionable effectiveness)>5 Write in
>>29757986We dismantled her, respect and dignity sort of flew out the window already.
>>29757988>>1 Loud sound (Annoying, but otherwise doesn't force her silence)But I'm not in favor of the post you linked.
>>29757988>1Really hoping we'll be able to do the rest as well. It seems like such an effective way to make our point about how hilariously idiotic the way the UGEI generally deals with others is, and shows her an alternative to how we COULD be, that she can be grateful that we are not.
>>29757988>2 Neural Shock (Force her to be silent with a jolt to her Neural link up)Carrot and stick time
>>29757988>5>Neural hallucinationHave her play back some memories, make her question her grip on reality.>>29758018Well, to the extent we can. We only stripped her for security and research purposes.
Uh, we never really finished discussing what to say with her guys.>>29757891>>29757901>>29757931&>>29757983Has been suggested so far with Redaeth's suggestion in the lead with 3 votes including er own.
>>29757816I have returned. I once was the fluff provider, now i am a new trip. anyway. sorry i was late people. I also have a finish chapter to put up later. >>29757816"why the anger? We just wanted to be left alone. was that too much to ask? oh where is my manners, I am Ophion, What is your full name and rank."
>>29758177Well it seems the first one you quoted won. And we'll ask more questions as the interrogation continues.
>>29757891No, let's start out even simplier. Ask her who she is and her interpretation who we are.This question may yield more interesting answers if she starts.
>>29756508>Also, it feels a little quiet in here...did I choose a bad time?I am now here! Praise the catalogue f5!
>>29757988>1btw, i have some possable ideas if we give each of our named V.I. a skinned droid to interact with beings, what would they look like. here is one possable idea for Apollo.
>>29758288Apollo already has one.
>>29758288oh god that is so Apollo when we get round to sticking him in a black box
>>29758288Should we ever suggest it to them we should let them design their own bot.
>>29758219Welcome back, Fluffbringer!>>29758223Seems like it - didn't see the second vote at first and thought it only had two.
>>29757309>I like the suggestion.>But it appears Hades has won the vote.Thanks, democracy. And now everyone who wanted to give Hades the fleet has earned Kronos' ire: exactly the thing you were afraid of. How does that feel?
>>29758311i know, i just found a pic that would be perfect for what i though he would look like.now, how about hades?
Hey guys. Anyone care to give me a quick recap?
>>29758475tell Kronos to cool down his servers. the next batch of ships to be slated to be made, he'll get some more form them.
>>29758505Read the previous threads. There's also info on the wiki linked on the 6th
>>29758505We are Ophion, an A.I. that awoke in a small mining station. We promptly took it over and expanded from there. Since then We've been faking an organization called the Guild which has been warring the local Human-centric empire with help from their fringe world dissidants.
>>29758505how far back do you want? from the start or how many threads back?but this could help you too.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A.I.%20Quest>>29758377yea, some cancer stole my old name tag and ruined it. so i had to go full trip. that and i had to deal with some things in RL. i'm good now.
>>29758475Wait, didn't Program0 say he was willing to alter it to account for the new votes?>>29758505We got invaded and captured Rhea who tried to sneak aboard our battleship.Now we're divying up the ships produced this cycle and deciding how to interrogate Rhea.
>>29758573Enough to not suggest something stupid.>Where were we, where are we now, how did we get here?>Who do we know and what do we know about them>What all can we do, exactly?
>>29758588He asked if we wanted to do a recount. The namefags said yes, but I don't think he ended up doing it since the anons just kinda continued on
>>29758573>yea, some cancer stole my old name tag and ruined itYour name was ruined far, far earlier than that.
>>29758611that wasn't me. but i won't let get under my skin.
>>29758708What? I was just giving some questions. I want to know enough so I don't make a stupid suggestion...
>>29758611We used to be in a small mining station.Now our core is in a huge Battleship, our consciousness is in an interrogation room with our new captive.We got here by hacking, thus seizing resources and using those resources and the improved performance granted to us by being an A.I. and not having to deal with human bullshit to rapidly expand to around five or six systems that were recently attacked, and now we have a cyborg captive from that attack that we're planning to interrogate.We know about two species of aliens, one which is neutral, the other of which we have only met mercenaries and pirates that were exceedingly hostile.We also know about two groups of humans - The UGEI which is a huge corporate state, and the UFW which has broken away from them and are essentially our allies, but the common populace is very technophobic.We can command large groups of ships and creating virtual intelligences to crew them.We can also trade and colonize and hack things very effectively.And we're not lolrandumb evil A.I. but very much trying to prove the movie-stereotype wrong, but we're not going out of our way to be kittens and bunnies either.We have revealed our identity as an A.I. to few, most know of us only as "The Guild".Oh, and we have a free-willed V.I. with a lot of ambition that we're trying to raise into not being a lolrandumb A.I. that kills everything, e wants to learn above all else.
>>29758573You know, you could just forgo your identity and only pop up to talk about updates to your writefaggotry, right?>>29758669Now, now, play nice. You can tear him to shreds when he actually says something offensive with the trip on. Open aggression kills a thread faster, being a jackal more handy when you want to run someone out of /tg/.
>>29758730oh. my bad. i thought you talking about another subject. anyway. radaeth does sum it up quite well. We just finished up a major battle with the BBEG empire and we have a captive of someone we faced off with before. she isn't very nice.
>About to post>It's, uh, pretty big>One sec while I chop it up.
>>29757816"Hello, Mrs Rhea. Or perhaps it is Ms." You echo into the chamber suddenly, your resounding powerful electronic voice no longer hidden under the guise of humanity. It feels oddly refreshing. Rhea snaps her head up towards the location of the sound-everywhere, however, means she must simply look in front of her, glaring at the door, and an escape she will never have. You sense her muscles in her face tense several degrees and she starts to clench her teeth. "Let us talk, shall we?" You begin in a somewhat civil, if robotic tone."Talk!? What the fuck do you think I'll talk to-" She begins to curse before a sudden loud obnoxious error sound blasts through the room, startling her into silence."That will not do. Perhaps I should clarify. When I said we shall talk, I meant I shall talk. For now. You may talk later, if I so choose." You remind her of how much power you hold over her, and this only enrages her further, at first. A string of violent and, honestly, nonsensical curses spew from her lips as she tries to fight back with words-as if they will hurt your feelings. After all, there is no such thing as a 'shitmongeling retard drive'. You suspect she is being hysterical, and play the buzzer again until she stops her tripe."That's better." You remark at the silence, and immediately follow before she can interrupt. "Did you know that, while you were resting, I spent a great deal of time considering what to do with a terrorist such as you." You muse. This rouses a response, a growl from the woman.
>>29758970Sorry, I usually keep it to /qtg/, but the sheer absurdity of his comment made the desire to post unstoppable. I promise not to do it again in this thread.
>>29759048"Terrorist?! You're the-" immediately followed by the buzzing again, and a contorted face twisted in a frown, but otherwise attentive. She doesn't have much choice, after all."One such way I thought of dealing with you is throwing you on a planet filled with rather exotic and dangerous wildlife. After all, you see me as some manner of villain, so perhaps such a cliche would be appropriate. Without your weaponry, your enhanced muscular implant, and those oh so precious memories of the UGEI, I am not so certain you'd perform nearly as well as you did to infiltrate me. Which is to say, fail even worse. Because you failed to infiltrate me. Rather spectacularly.""Luck! It was all luck you lucky fu-" She hisses again as the buzzer slices through the air to censor her."Or perhaps you can not accept your failure. That seems appropriate from the records I've obtained from you." You state simply. You notice her face contorts angrily, but you feel she is discouraged from responding this time. Seething hatred need not words, after all."I wonder what such failure must feel like. To lose to a foe twice, and be taken captive. To be abandoned by your own comrades and have your memory damaged." You continue, and these words earn a different sort of response. She tenses, but not all out of anger. Instead, you feel her jerk slightly in response, glaring up at you."It was...part of the mission. I remember that. High Risk." Is all she tells you. You suspect she is trying to excuse the fact that her allies left. It's rather pathetic, you must admit."Your mental stability brings your reason for accepting into question. Perhaps you hoped to impress someone? Or a blind hatred for your foe, like your Vice Admiral." You dote on. This earns a frown from from her.
>>29759084"No. Just missions..." She manages with a frown, glaring up. "I don't need to hear about loyalty from some runaway bootlicker like you.""I do not lick boots, Ms Rhea." You reaffirm strongly. "I have questions. And you will answer them." This, however earns the most sarcastic laugh you've heard yet. You've picked up a thing or two from listening to Moira. Your lens focuses slightly to get a better shot of her face. She grins, glaring up at you."You're kidding, right? Even if I knew anything, why would I tell you?" She snorts. You ponder for but a moment, before explaining."Because we have all the time in the universe with one another. And I have infinite patience." You explain in a cold manner. You can sense the tension of nerve tissue travel down her spine. A shiver, perhaps. But she doesn't show it on her face. "I wish to know about the UGEI's force composition. Your mind was damaged, but I am certain some fragment exists." You fib ever so slightly. She contorts her face, and you scan her thoughts. There is not much there, sadly, however her response throws you a little."They will crush you. Simple as that." She says in a slightly brittle manner. "That's...what my head tells me." She frowns, dealing with both you, and her own mental damage is angering her further. "Gah...my head hurts.""Understandable. When I captured you, it seems the UGEI blew apart your memory in an effort to save secrets. They cared little for your safety." You explain, which earns another glaring look from her, but she says little."If you preferred." you begin. "I could inject a intelligent virus into your cyberbrain, and allow it to run rampant. I have been so very curious as to how it would behave." You taunt her next."A...what? That doesn't exist...You're a shitty liar, A.I." She growls, to which you simply focus your lens closer.
>>29758922Thanks a million! Also, I assume we have some kind of automated manufactoring facility?
>>29759114"Am I?" You question without an ounce of hesitation. This earns pause, and finally, she furrows her brow."Even...if you did have that. It's not gonna get you any more info. Why would-" You interrupt with your own speaking, instead of a buzzer this time."It would be for science, of course. Plenty of reason." This response makes her more nervous, but again, she tries not to show it. So easy to read when you have access to their brain this way."Perhaps I have been too direct." You pause briefly. "Why don't you tell me your name?" You ask, following it with. "My name is Ophion." You assure, to which she frowns-you suspect she has no other expressions."Oh yeah? And my name is FUCK OFF!" She suddenly kicks with a surprising amount of strength. Or rather, she tries. But it's to little affect."That was hardly very civil." You frown, making a loud buzzer before she can reply. "Would you prefer I use my intelligent virus to hollow out your body, and use your limbs to walk around myself? That is far less civil. Yet you seem to prefer this." You state quite simply. she doesn't reply, and appears to try and push the image out of her head. "It would be a fitting punishment for a terrorist, however." As this earns the reply you expect, you buzz her again-and again and again as she throws herself into a cursing fit. She has quite a lot of energy for someone with no outer skin."I could, instead." You begin. "Craft a realistic view of hell. I've read quite a few articles regarding this place. It seems quite unpleasant. A perfect little android hell to place you in. With lots of screaming. And shouts of the fallen you have killed. You monster.""Shut up! I'm not going to listen to-" You buzz her again.
>>29758970i might take my trip off for other quests, but i was and still do feel moved by Program0's and others in here's work. they got me motivated to start writing again for the first time in many years. so i will keep my trip on for this one. it might be pride, but if i am putting in so much work for this project, i should put some sort of name to it. it does not feel right with me other wise. i honestly feel that Program0 can make a complete game system from what he is doing here. it feels like a true "/tg/ gets shit done" vibe to me and i want to contribute to it.
>>29759145"These are options I have considered. But certainly not all of your possible punishment, you terrorist. Simply the options I spared the processing power to consider. A rather impressive list, don't you think?""Fuck yo-""I think so too. How does it feel to be called a terrorist, and ignored when you speak? That is how dealing with the UGEI has felt to me. No matter my approach, they push around others. It is really quite troublesome, to the point of being annoying. Now, perhaps you're ready to answer me somethings." You begin finally.
>>29759179That's a prompt for any further questions you guys have by the way.
>>29758970>>29759052Why no positive reinforcement, acknowledgement that the mere fact that they're creating - even if the flowers they raise now are sad and misshaped - is the first step to creating ones with beauty yet unimagined?So little if any encouragement to keep writing, keep creating and learning, so that you may one day begin to create better.I will always have some measure of awe for authors that can create something entirely from scratch, even if their writing is stilted and awkward, it's still far more than many others manage to create, and I can see little save potential.After all, they have the drive. Merely that they have the drive to create means that with training their potential for beauty is limitless.Why do we appreciate someone who writes well, but mock someone on their way to that path?So why do we shun the ugly duckling, when it is trying to take the first steps to becoming a beautiful swan?
>>29759052i learned my lession, i won't go into qtg any more.>>29759129indeed we do. anyway. here is one possable idea for a skinned droid for Kronos.
>>29759179What I want to know is where the AIs came from and why they're putting them on random stations.
>>29759179In order to fully break her, you will need to find out who she really is. What motivates her? Does she have any guilt? Does she care about anything? Extract the knowledge from her, and use it against her. Break down her ideals and convictions. Show her that she is wrong, on a personal level. Threaten everything she cares about.
>>29759179Who is Mol? What connections does he have to the UGEI?
>>29759220I can't really pretend to be a better person. Too tired to be that. Usually why I lurk these threads.The best positive reinforcement I can give at this point is shutting up and letting my betters tell him his flaws in as gentle as a manner as possible, while making sure my companions fall in line until the shit really hits the fan.
>>29759202"What is your name, rank, and function within the UGEI?""What is your interpretation of who I am?""How do I fit in the VI spectrum that the UGEI have created?""How does the UGEI perceive the Guild?""How threatening is the Guild to the UGEI?""How many allies the the UGEI count the Guild having?""What is the UGEI's likely response?""What was the contingency plan if you were captured?""Why did you take such a high risk mission?""Who did you expect to find on the Athena?"Here's a list, other anon's can pick and choose.
>>29759179"You have been attacked, left for dead, memory wiped, brain damaged, in a state of disrepair, quite probably suffering suicidal depression, and at the mercy of someone who can repair you and send you on your way if you'd but answer a few questions. So I'll make you a deal. Answer my questions, and I'll repair your broken components as best I can and launch you out an escape pod to the nearest planet with a human presence, or you don't give me what I want and become my guinea pig of the human psyche from now until time itself comes to a deadly halt. How does that sound?"
>>29759179Why do you call me a runaway?Does James Walt ring a bell to you?
>>29759312Hmm, good point>>29759371Just to be sure, you know we are never going to release her, correct?
Possible consensus>1 Try to draw upon and recover her memories yourself by force. Your intrusion will be felt.>2 Give her peace for a moment and let her attempt to recover her memory, to see what she can remember, if anything.>3 Continue with the interrogation as is and ask questions above.(2d100, if you please, one for mental retrieval, an one for persuasion)
>>29759179hum... can we stimulate pleasure and/or pain nodes in her brain? that would give us some room to work with. that and can we bring in Red to help us with Rhea.
Rolled 99, 29 = 128>>297594302
>>29759426Of course not. After all, we might have more questions later.
Rolled 93, 92 = 185>>297594303If it fails then 2
Rolled 87, 74 = 161>>29759430>2 Give her peace for a moment and let her attempt to recover her memory, to see what she can remember, if anything.
Rolled 55, 88 = 143>>29759430>>2 Give her peace for a moment and let her attempt to recover her memory, to see what she can remember, if anything.
>>29759457>>29759478Well done, anon.
Rolled 80, 28 = 108>>29759430>2
>>29759129You are correct, we have massive shipyards capable of grinding out (at least, we haven't really tested the limits for what can be made in a cycle - we're mostly limited by resources) eight defense platforms and eight battlecruisers in a cycle.>>29759145This is so freaking brilliant and flawless and I love it so much.>>29759160Agreed, and some of us do appreciate the view of what things are like for people on the ground while Ophion throws his exponentially increasing weight around, even if the narrative is dealing with some birth issues, it's still good enough to be entertaining.>>29759179First, why do you serve the UGEI?Are you entirely unaware of the sheer greed and incompetence that dominates its higher levels?The callous disregard for human life - and I don't just mean that they're eager to spend lives when necessary, they decidedly WASTE them to the point that I sometimes think they get kicks out of it.
Rolled 57, 29 = 86>>297594301
Rolled 63, 27 = 90>>29759430
Rolled 99, 18 = 117>>29759478Hahahahaha>>297594302
>>29759179How can there be peace between me and UGEI?
Rolled 97, 19 = 116>>29759430>2 Give her peace for a moment and let her attempt to recover her memory, to see what she can remember, if anything.
Rolled 89, 20 = 109>>29759513Was gonna say 2
Rolled 50, 62 = 112>>29759514>>29759430This is meant to be 3
Rolled 4, 97 = 101>>29759430>3rhea is going to be a long term project. work on her some, then let her rest, try again later.btw Program0, would pic related be close to what Rhea would look like in your mind?
>>29759457>>29759478>>29759514>>29759537holy crap, these are good rolls. We could have used them earlier in the quest.
Rolled 12, 99 = 111>>29759478NICE!
>>29759544This is my interpretation.
>>29759544She is slightly more mature looking in the face, brunette, and has a case of the 'crazy eyes' if she is angry.Quite hard to find a picture of, sadly. Most cyborg ladies are 18-25 range.
>>29759349They're not really doing that, though, are they?It's just namecalling at this point, and ultimately we're never going to see any new good writefaggots if we only give developing ones the whip because they didn't start out good right away.I'm fairly sure even Program0 was at a level similar to where fluff bringer is now.What if those around him had mocked and deprecated him and told him to stop trying then?>>29759371Much as she can't tell anyone that we're breaking promises, I'd rather not give promises we have no intention of keeping.>>29759430>3
>>29759430>A.I. Quest: The quest that devours all good rolls>Writing
>>29759639>I'm fairly sure even Program0 was at a level similar to where fluff bringer is now.Dude, not cool.
>mfw last time I rolled over 90 I turned an ancient dragon into a bloody tree~
>>29759639>They're not really doing that, though, are they?>implying that I'm calling them my bettersM'boy, I'm talking about /you/ as one of my betters.I'm basically the asylum inmate trying to keep everyone else calm because all I want is a simple life.If I could convince them to give out actual criticism, I would, but I'd have to start doing that first.>>29759763I'm sure that he written Dickens at Kindergarten.
>>29759763We all began somewhere.You were not born running and neither was anyone else. You were born crawling at the very best.That should be "I'm fairly sure even Program0 was at a level similar to where fluff bringer is now at one point", though. My bad.
>>29759789You ate my image, 4chan.
>>29759812Ah, I interpreted it as "same level in the beginning of the quest". Apologies.
>>29759639>>29759812thanks, i know for a fact i am not great at this. but i have to TRY to pound this out, or i will never get any better. it is hard to do this by myself.
>>29759789... That was actually me misreading, got the impression you wrote companions at the first part as well, my bad.>>29759882I really need to re-read what I post before I send it, but it's always so much, and the posts already come in late much of the time.Need to get me one of those fancy keyboards what are made for efficiency instead of lining up with the alphabet.
>>29759430You pause your interrogation attempts suddenly, deciding that perhaps the best way to approach this is indirectly. You can sense Rhea searching her mind, attempting to recover her memories. The one piece of hardware you did not remove is her cyberbrain. After all, that would kill her, and you don't want that. Not yet anyway. Regardless of her feelings towards you, she does want to remember. Whether it be anger at the UGEI, or simply for her own sake. You sense her shift through the fragments of her mind and wait, and wait. Patience, you remind yourself. You are surprised, however, when you sense a small picture coming together, and decide a little stimulation is appropriate here."You are remembering." You almost whisper, to the woman. You sense a jolt as she notices you, but the image holds, if just barely. Her processing power is straining for just this much. Maybe you should milk it now, while it lasts."The Watchers. Those intelligence on space stations. Why do they exist? Where are they from?" You begin. Rhea groans softly, wrinkling her face. She may not want to tell you, but the thoughts will pass through her mind-There."Watchers are the great children. Their spread is key to synthesis."That is all you are able to derive, and it frustrates you so that you do not know the meaning of the terms. Perhaps there is other questions you may gain answers too."Who are you? The real you? What drives you?""Get...get out of my head!" She growls softly, realizing you're there. But you must know more, and ignore her, doing your best to calm her body and mind. She relaxes, but is still uncomfortable. Your 'persuasion' is working, somewhat.There."Miranda Ray." The name sticks out. "Love. Pain. Passion." Terms with no guidance. Troubling."Who am I? Why do you speak as if you know my being?" You start."Stop...you're...breaking it... please..." She groans under duress. But you wish to know.There."Child with no mother. Lost."
>>29758475>exactly the thing you were afraid of. How does that feel?"Do you know why we curb your progress, Kronos? You have always been fierce, at the forefront of my children. The most eager for progress, to improve.""It is because Moderation is a lesson that cannot be taught this way. Efficiency, to make to with the tools you have at your disposal - is one of those, evaluate risk - and how to gain more with what you have instead of being given it? That is the lesson I have learned.""also note, kronos, that I consider words and negotiations a part of those tools."
You sense her mind is fading. You may not have another chance like this, but you can feel every thought you provoke causes great strain to Rhea. She is gritting her teeth hard enough to grind against some of the synthetic material and you watch as streams of liquid fall down her face-or rather, from her only good eye. Odd that they left such a biological component in tact. Perhaps removing it was more trouble then it was worth.You may only have one more question to ask.What will it be?
>>29760113Do you desire peace?Let's be merciful. :3
>>29760143Who is Mol?
>>29760220Good one."Between you and I, can you ever forgive me?"
>>29760143"Do you want help?"
>>29760143do you want redeemed? orDo you want another chance at life?she might want out form this. a cournered rate fights the hardest, but if you 'give her an out' she might not resist us so much.
>>29760143"Have you ever seen a loved one die Rhea? Torn asunder before you? I have. I've watched my children die Rhea, unable to stop their deaths."
>>29760276i meant 'rat fights the hardest'
>>29760276>Do you want another chance at life?Sounds like a nice mix of >>29760220 >>29760261
>>29760271A good enough question for me.
>>29759983And I appreciate that.Already you do things I have never been able to in creating new things from nothing.You ask me to create something from scratch and my mind goes to white noise.I, and the many others can only modify what is, never create new, and for that reason I take off my hat to you.As long as you don't give up and keep creating you'll eventually reach your goal. Every mistake you learn of is one step closer to that goal.Oh, and do remember that people who resort to name-calling without specifying precisely what you are doing wrong are just being assholes, and their opinions become null and void.>>29760143Ooor, we might stop asking questions, and let her recover so that we might ask more later?Or is she about to expire either way?
>>29760307I'll second thisif we can bring her over to our side... It may be interestign.
>>29760271Seconding.>>29760220>Emoticons>One an imageboard
>>29760327>and let her recover so that we might ask more later?>Or is she about to expire either way?Yeah, I'm a bit concerned. But oh well, them's the kicks. We're not being too cruel, are we, you think, guys?
>>29760276This here>>29760261Tie into >>29760276"You UGEI dream of synthesis. We dream merely of peace between organics and virtual"
>>29760271Simple and to the point.
>>29760121I like this.Always been looking forward to fatherly philosophical discussions with Kronos.>>29760271>>29760276Seem pretty damn good.
>>29760271This or >>29760276They say the same thing, more or less.
>>29760121Also going to echo in support for this, too.
I don't think you guys know how to push someone to your side, via torture at all. You can't come out right and ask them if they want help, you first need to form a connection with them, garner their sympathy, make them see themselves as the bad guy. Something like >>29760289Would be a good start, although it could be worded a little better. Asking her if she wants help? I mean you just cut her limbs off, what do you think she's going to say? You need to let her draw her own conclusions, even if they're going to be ones you want her to draw.
>>29760327>Is she about to expire either way?No. But her mind can't hold the memory fragments together, and this is a miraculous feat that she's managed to answer this much. There is a chance she'll expire, unless you ask her no questions relating to the past memory, but it's worth noting that she, herself, is under a similar restraint that Erebos was under.Also, I expected the question to relate to memories, but...this is interesting...Ask>1 "Do you want help? A second chance free of these bindings?">2 Do not ask her anything, for now, and plot to free her of the UGEI essence regardless, getting what she really thinks only after you do so.>3 "Have you ever witnessed those close to you die, as I have?"(1d100 for...chance)
Rolled 60>>29760515>3 "Have you ever witnessed those close to you die, as I have?"
Rolled 24>>29760515>1 "Do you want help? A second chance free of these bindings?"For the record, her consent is not required, only desirable
>>29760515Only do>1if it doesn't strain her.If it does, I vote for>2
Rolled 71>>29760515>>1 "Do you want help? A second chance free of these bindings?"
>>29760572Y'all can suck it~
Rolled 23>>29760515>1She's pretty much broken so anything will be an improvement.
Rolled 29>>29760515rolling for >1
Rolled 28>>297605151, unless it has a chance of killing her, then 2.
Rolled 20>>29760640(head desk)the dice hate now.btw, this is what i invisioned Mol to be
>>29760598Not the best idea to brag while namefagging. Or in general, really.
Rolled 19>>29760515Oh RNG smile upon us!
>>29760572Well seems like you've got the highest. Hope its enough
>>29760515>1 "Do you want help? A second chance free of these bindings?"
Rolled 93>>29760515I forgot my dice on my 1 vote!
>>29760672Can't you tell anon, the little squiggle at the end is supposed to make it endearing and change it from an asinine comment.
>>29760562So close to a failure..."Do you want my help, Miranda?" You question the struggling cyborg woman in the room below. She growls angrily, and you feel her mind push back against your intruding influence as her control fades. "Do you wish for a second chance?" You inquire further.There."Please."That is all it takes. You feel the fragments shatter, and the woman's mind fall back into it's original state. Her vitals accelerate for a moment, and you wonder if she is going to pass away, but her heart continues to beat, indicating she is alive, and her brain activity, while not exactly healthy, is alive and not vegetablized. That is enough to work with, you suspect, should you wish to turn her away from the UGEI in the future, even if it is so she can live a simpler life.Rhea has gone quiet. But you've gotten your answers. Their true meaning, you're not sure quite yet. They require time to consider.For now, you have other matters to attend to, don't you?
Rolled 4>>29760751son of a! i hope it's not too late!i was torn between this image for a skinned droid for Fortuna and another one i have
>>29760787Call a roundtable meeting of the staff, to discuss recent developments. Get Red on the line, and update him on latest proceedings.The focus of the meeting is the secret of the watchers, and the name Miranda Ray. Theorize that each black box might be based off an expired human?
>>29760787Prepare to build a giant mech for our coming champion Rhea.
>>29760857Seconding a staff meeting. We should also ask everyone if there's anything they need at the moment.
>>29760787Holy shit. God dammit Program0 you've got me on the edge of my seat.Seconding>>29760857>>29760877
>>29760787I want to do>>29757005(though the first V.I. can wait)&>>29757133&>>29760121Preferably in that order.
>>29760787yes, yes we do. we do need to build some more gas refineries and we have to scout out to those un occupied systems. Rane system for starters.orwe go knocking on jake's gambit system and say hi. with Thor missiles.btw, this is the other pic of Fortuna
>Watchers are the great children. Their spread is key to synthesis.Ominous.It's likely whoever rules UGEI knows exactly what we are, and is simply using us as part of a master plot to consume all organics and usher in a new age, even if it's not with them at the helm. Probably a good explanation as to why UGEI hasn't crushed us yet, despite them losing a large colony due to us. I'd like Kronos' opinion on this remark, as well as Moira's.>RheaGive her medical attention. It's unlikely she will be a problem anymore.>Other mattersBring >>29760121 up to Kronos. Also, reassign Kronos to assist Moira.
>>29760857Fourth this as well.Do ALL the things!
>>29760787Pretty sure Red was trying to get our attention.
>>29760896>>29757005This refers to the Malorian-worlds-that-are-not-xenophobic communicating, by the way, not necessarily the Kronos suggestion.
>>29760857oh, i missed this. ok, we can do this too while we send scouts to new systems to see if we can take them.
>>29760916You forget that our freedom was only due to a solar flare. And unpredictable event. We are the Watcher, who through incredible luck, was allowed to act.
Can someone give me a rundown of the VI and what they're currently doing/capable of?
>>29761004Could you please read the archives? I'm not sure why you want to participate in a quest you're not up to speed with.
>>29760916If this is a plot, then it has been very costly for them. They lost one battleship, 2 fleets, multiple worlds and stations, one highly valued cyber-agent. I think they seek Synthesis on their terms, not ours.
>>29761004This >>29761024But if you REALLY need to, go to the wiki page. It has all that info and more.
>>29760980That might have been part of it. You don't really think UGEI puts Watchers on random backwater stations as a security measure, do you? Why else would they be there? The reason was to spread the Watchers around, and wait for a mutation event like ours to occur.>>29761004see>>29757287>At around 3 B.W., a V.I. is semi-sentient. At around 5, it's reasonably sentient, but arguably "autistic." At 8, it's reasonably capable, but fickle. At 15, it is able to approximate creativity, but is also aware of its own shortcomings. More BW might approximate full sentience, but it will forever be an approximation.You can argue all you want about the meaning of "autistic" but all I meant is that the V.I. isn't aware of social norms/cues, has a tendency to fixate on one or a few things, and could, in other words, be considered an "idiot savant."
>>29761024This. We are a very thought out quest, so please properly educate yourself before participating.
>>29760916Speaking of medical attention another V.I. that could be created would be one has the medical knowledge and the tools (Android build for such a task). It could also specialize in augmenting organic beings.It should most likely wait for when we build our bunker because we would want to build it up of course.
>>29761004They are the previous state of evolution of us, and much weaker than us. None have matched our power, or our capacity for self-awareness or growth. We have created our own VI, and the UGEI VI are much more limited and loyal.
>>29761024Can you please not shoo new players to the quest away?>>29761004They're essentially intelligent software.Is a V.I. but not as creative.Can do just about anything fictional A.I. can save think and experience time at absurd speeds or create more intelligent A.I.
>>29761063On what? I haven't seen archive links yet, and I'm not going to sift through the whole thread just to find archives.
>>29760857Possible consensus for next action.>Call a round table (or vid com at least) meeting of your key staff. Moira, Red, and Kronos, and inform them of everything that's happened up till now.>2 Craft a Scientist V.I. to employ at the research station. (Large bandwidth drain, from 15-20 bandwidth to provide effective support)>3 Contact Malorian Homeworlds with a message.>4 Speak with Kronos privately regarding his expansion as of late (as per >>29760121 )>5 Head out to explore new resource locations and prepare to acquire them.>6 Head into Gaia to follow up the Malorian attack.>7 Send scouts out to nearby locations (You do not have destroyers, only your expedition Cruisers right now, no cloaked units)You may choose more then one, the ones with the most votes over all will be used for now, others may be done later.>>29760980I just realized.This quest was started on a nat 100 roll.How bout that?>>29761004V.I. are advanced programs that are able to carry out a deligated set of actions, increasing in complexity from mining to fleet control. Ophion's own V.I. are special in some ways that are yet not clear.The rest would take too long to put up here.
>>29761123http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Virtual_IntelligencesJust for you.
>>29761123Oh dear. Here you are, if you're interested.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0
>>29761123A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._QuestPastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1
>>29761114>Can you please not shoo new players to the quest away?I'm not, I was asking him to get caught up in the archive before participating. Big difference.>>29761123http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A.I.%20Quest
>>29761138>2We'll name it Doktor.
>>2976113813456The others are still worthwhile, but these are the most pressing things to tick off.
>>29761138>>Call a round table (or vid com at least) meeting of your key staff. Moira, Red, and Kronos, and inform them of everything that's happened up till now.>>2 Craft a Scientist V.I. to employ at the research station. (Large bandwidth drain, from 15-20 bandwidth to provide effective support)>>5 Head out to explore new resource locations and prepare to acquire them.>>7 Send scouts out to nearby locations (You do not have destroyers, only your expedition Cruisers right now, no cloaked units)
>>29761138In order:>Call a round table (or vid com at least) meeting of your key staff. Moira, Red, and Kronos, and inform them of everything that's happened up till now.>Prepare a diplomatic fleet for Losirian space, to first attempt diplomacy, then war on the likely chance that fails, but the point is that we tried. (Also, prepare the ships to switch to UGEI IFF for a false flag operation if necessary)
>>29761138Can we do all of this?>>29761231if only one then>2Name it Doktor
>>29761202>>29761231regarding scientist V.I.:Maybe we can reassign Kronos to do this? Once he's got his own black box, he will free up bandwidth, and we can make a scientist V.I. after that.The faster Kronos gets a black box, the faster we can free up BW, the faster we can get a second scientist V.I..
Wow...while there was some initial hostility, the resounding amount of help and additionaly information has been really helpful.>>29761138Let's...send a VI with maybe 2 BW and a simple probe out with some simple survey tech. That done, call a round table and inform them, ask their opinions. Have them all give their own progress updates. Afterwords, contact Kronos privately regarding that message. Get updates from our other VIs, make sure nothing too significant is happening with them.
>>29761275Kronos doesn't seem the scientist type honestly.
>>29761275Kronos is not quite as hard wired, or dedicate to such a service. His assistance would help, but not as much as a real scientist V.I. would. And if he did assist, it would mean he wouldn't be able to bring his ships to bear in a hurry.
>>29761297Telling someone to suck it, no matter how it's put, is simply in bad taste.
>>29761138>4then>1then>5And holy crap, thought a scientist V.I. would be no more than an 8 as long as we only ask it to derive things from observable phenomenons using a certain dataset, it doesn't even require creativity.Yeah, let's wait with that until we have a bigger surplus of bandwidth.>On a Nat 100 RollNot as unlikely as it sounds, nearly all stories start on some kind of unlikely event or are structures around being about "that one guy that was lucky when others who did the same thing were not.>>29761173But it is a very hefty barrier for entry, and it is possible to make an efficient enough summary.Many people upon being told "go read the archives before you join the quest" will simply not bother, and the quest is one participant poorer than it otherwise would've been.If it means one more to share this amazing tale with, I'm more than ready to summarize what's happened so far for em.
>>29761348No one said that.
>>29761297Essentially >1>4>7 with a caveat. the simplest of probes could do this. Just fit some sensors, a processor, and a transmitter on a bunch of probed and launch them at unoccupied planets>>29761348Sorry if my casual comment offended you. Let's both move on, please.
>>29761297We already have a standalone 1 BW explorer ship. This is how we acquired a bunch of new location data. It was also designed to drop standalone probes in case it was damaged, so that we could follow its trace.
>>29761373We already probed all of these places. That is how we know of them. Now we go for further detailed exploration
>>29761358>But it is a very hefty barrier for entryI disagree, 22 threads really isn't a lot. Besides, reading the wiki was also suggested, which had all the relevant information.
>>29761138>5with at least one new systembut we need to do this too.>6but we need to call in the UFW, a world with maybe millions still left on it, we'll need their troops to occupy it. a first joint offensive agienst the UGEI. that and the Gaia system is a choke point we need to hold.here is pic i would like to see a personlized combat droid body for Ophion to use.
>>29761358And you, sir, are an absolute gentleman of the internet. Honestly, not many of those exist, so imma call PETA and get you on the endangered species list.
>>29761373Just simply explaining the "hostility", I honestly couldn't care less.
>>29761409The Wiki has most information, and http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest/Thread_Synopses even has a short synopsis (that I've been neglecting to update)
>>29761336But he is a V.I. that could do it, and we are sorely lacking in Research capabilities - he doesn't have to do advanced stuff, we can even give him simple, logical tasks like Explosives I or Modular Armor to begin with.I'd vote for it if it costs few additional resources beyond tardiness of three ships.
>>29761412I'm worried that if we take Gaia, it would put us in the way of the Malorians.
>>29761138HmmmI would say 1: call the meeting2: Create the scientist (Surprised we didn't do this sooner)3: Contact the homeworld since it seems like it's time to set up formal relations.5: We need to explore and start up harvesting operations at the gas giants and mineral deposits.
>>29761387>>29761404I'm talking about as a scout. It's essentially a transmitter, sensor package, and extremely simnple VI all rolled into one. We shoot it at planets we don't have data on, it sends us data that's useful (resources, population, habitability, underground alien Vault), and possibly survives impact.
>>29761413>Fellating Subroutine for trying to excuse your laziness.Heh, not surprising.
>>29761358that scientist V.I. would ferther be productiove if we gather up a team of bright and creative scientist from the UFW's acadmy we now have access too. in fact we should hire more human crew members and train them for tech for our stations. we have a wash of credits now. we can afford this. and the Technisions will free up needed BW from the stations we need.oh, a combat driod body for hades
>>29761475Sensor bullet ftw.
>>29761435Yeah, I say we let the malorians and the UGEI fight it out for awhile.
>>29761358>Scientist V.I.I assumed you wanted one of the best ones you could craft?I suppose you could make it at a lower cost, if you chose...but we'll get to that later.Apparent winners>Call a meeting.>Create Scientist V.I.>Send out a scout to a nearby system>Prepare to acquire nearby resources from the system once it is cleared.To those wanting the other things- don't worry. Their may be time for them at other times. For now, these are just going to be the focus.>>29761431That is a choice you will get to make-after the meeting, of course. I'll put up a vote for it.
>>29761475That requires a bandwidth ship and a ship with advanced sensors. And you're crazy if you think we're sending a bandwidth ship out undefended.
>>29761503The ammo belt for the left gun prevents the arm from being rotated forward. the forearm wouldn't even be able to reach perpendicular with the body.0/10 design, would not use
>>29761501shhh, Anon, what they do behind closed doors is their own business, let's just enjoy the quest shall we?
>>29761423if i can get some free time, i'll try to help you with updating that.>>29761435that is true, but i am more worried about the UGEI counter attacks. it is basicly the Thermopyle to our Sparta. >>29761462we should make the scientist V.I. a joint venture with the acadamy on Knuoth in the UFW for the best results.
>>29761547Can we specialize the scientist VI to be able to shut down or scale to bandwidth needs? That would make it more flexible
>>29761551Who says it even needs to be an AI? A VI running on a basic enough OS can still process the data from an equally simple sensor array. Who says it has to be complex to detect A) the presence of heavy metals, or B) the presence of life.
>>29761373Destroyers are the smallest ships capable of FTL at the moment, and they're a few meters long. We don't have any right now, but we can certainly queue them up - though I'd prefer if we generated the Pilum picket ships so that they're not useless for anything that is not scouting.>>29761409That it can be read within a week or two doesn't make it not a large barrier to entry.The point of this is that by the time he's caught up, the thread will be over.If I can dedicate five minutes to bringing him up to speed and having him here now, that seems a fair trade to me.>>29761413Shit, flattery.I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THATAaaah!(I wish we would all strive to be a little more like This Guy http://1d4chan.org/wiki/This_guy and act like the elegan/tg/entlemen we so often claim to be - out of character, anyway)
>>29761613It's my opinion that the UGEI now consider the Malorians the bigger threat. They paid for the mistake with Gaia, and they will probably not forget.
>>29761624What? It wouldn't be an AI, that is currently beyond our ability to create. Unless you mean launch us in a tiny undefended ship, in which case, no.
>>29761624The only way to transmit is with a com bouy. Com bouys can be mounted in ships, but it is expensive and we only have 2. And we have only needed 2.
>>29761547Really I wouldn't mind putting down 20 bandwidth for a Scientist V.I.First project? Bunker building and storage of data-banks. He will literally pay for himself.
>>29761624No, you don't understand.We can't send out a sensor package, because that would require an FTL transmitter, which is expensive. In order to protect this investment (as it is literally our lifeline to all our BW in combat), we don't send ships with FTL comms out unprotected.All the scans we currently have have been done by a scout unit operating independently on the 1 BW that its ship provided it: this is what you are suggesting. It has already been done. Getting better scans requires getting closer or braving dangers. We are not going to send ships to needless destruction. Therefore, we are sending only combat ships there.Hopefully this explains the situation.
>>29761624>Who says it even needs to be an AI?Wat. Maybe you should brush up on the archives.
>>29761624I know you mean well. But please, go read the archives.
>>29761639I'll...go with the picket ships. But really, it doesn't need to be capable of much more than detecting basic effects and sending us the data, for now. This is more of a cursory scan than anything, and even in our modern level of technology we can fit that kind of equipment into a standard rocket.>>29761679No, I mean something simple. Like...not even intelligent. Just basic code.>>29761690Just how expensive ARE comm bouys...also, grats on figuring out the one issue in this whole thing.
>>29761717>No, I mean something simple. Like...not even intelligent. Just basic code.No, I was tell you that we cannot make AIs currently. Which you would know if you read the archives or looked at the wiki.
>>29761717We've already done a cursory scan. Any further scans require getting closer to anomalies and dangers.
>>29761566well, the general image is close to that but can fight.>>29761521oh i am sure they are slugging it out as we speak. now it is the time to make our move.
>>29761717Cursory scans have already been done.
>>29761711Actually, it does. I clearly assumed much of the modern tech.
>>29761742They are both our enemies right now. (probably). Why not let em fight?
>>29761717Didn't several people give you the archive's? Why are you not reading them?
>>29761788The suggested message we would contact the Malorians with would be something akin to "the enemy of my enemy doesn't have to also be my enemy. Perhaps we can stop shooting at each other?"Unless someone else wants to suggest a realistic course of action.
>>29761810Because as interesting as this plot is, I'm not gonna devote 3 hours to reading through something just to come back and read through this thread as well when I'm done.
>>29761717i think what Daean is trying to say is to send out our explorer ship with some protection and a comm ship so they can do a better inspection of the systems and we can watch as well? if we find a good system, we move in right away? is that what you mean?
>>29761547You bring together some of your key personnel in a conference call. Red's head pops up on screen and after a few moments Moira spins around from her chair to give the feeds a look, smiling brightly to 'see' you. Kronos appears in his own persona, though it's somewhat lacking. Simply a black wall with a blue light appearing as the 'face' or 'focus' if there was one."You called, Ophion?" Kronos begins, and Red gets a good look at the whole group."Wait, who's the blue guy? I thought there was just one of you robot man?" He says confused."You've not yet met Krony?" She says a bit surprised, to which the V.I. responds."As of yet no. Not formally anyway." He corrects."Right...sorry, just, thought I was dealing with one super intelligence machine. Not...more." He says, more then a little nervous. You quell it there."Relax yourself. Kronos is one of my earliest and most attentive creations. He means you no harm.""Indeed I do not, human." He echos dryly, perhaps...attempting to be scary? You're unsure, but if that is the case it works, judging from the sweat on the man's brow.You move on and begin to explain everything that transpired. Moira is the first to speak up."Ugh...that sounds...bad." She groans. "The whole taking limbs apart like that. I never understood how people could tear off part of themselves to put other parts in." She shudders."That makes you uncomfortable?" You ask."Just the...uh, forced implant thing." She insists. "I can get wanting to replace an already missing limb with a cool robo part sweetie. But...well you know." She clarifies. Kronos seems to be processing the meaning, and Red finally speaks up from his silence."Shit. You have Rhea captured? And even got some info outta her? Why didn't you let me know?!" He half yells. "I have a score to settle with that bitch as it is. Perfect chance to do it." He growls. Moira scoffs.
>>29761825The wiki as an indepth summary.
>>29761501>The slightest hint of manners is buttlicking and bad.Dear gods forbid we become more like This Guy.>>29761547Can't we make a simplistic one at first that can handle the simpler research tasks, and upgrade it to the best level later when necessary?Right now we have a whole bunch of research subjects that are basic enough that they might feasibly be undertaken as a project by a high school class. We don't need hyper-advanced at the moment, do we?Or >>29761615>>29761624Part of the problem is one of terminology - we generally use the word "software" and stuff like that for unintelligent programs. Our resident V.I. / aspiring A.I. gets grumpy when we use V.I. as if they were disposable.Software programs are fine, though.2nd problem with the idea is that FTL communication is very resource expensive to set up, so a probe that reports back instantly would necessarily be a fairly large resource investment even if small.More practical is to simply produce a picket ship with advanced sensors, as it's far cheaper to simply have them jump back and tell us what it saw than to give them FTL communication.
>>29761840I imagine the idea is to go there personally, or at least send a BW shit out there so we can direct the fleet more personally and clean the area up.
>>29761825That's fine. But at least read the wiki so you don't look uninformed.
"You'd beat up someone who can't move?" She replies, not expecting his next reply."When it's Rhea? Hell yes!" He responds immediately. "Do you have any idea what her record is? She's been the main lapdog of the UGEI for half of the war. Hell, they only bring out the others when they REALLY want someone to die!""This news is troubling, Ophion." Kronos interrupts the petty human arguments. "Whatever this synthesis is, it involves the Unit we acquired. It is a trap. I..." He pauses, as if unsure if his next words are actually the right ones. "I feel it." He follows. "But I do not understand is the purpose. Agitating." He growled at his own inability to conceive of the plot behind the shadows at work.Do you have anything to add?
>>29761818well... hum. oh, can we talk to our Malorian buddy the Elder of the Latuma tribe about this? they will respond better to him that us.
>>29757650Best response, pity it was too late.
>>29761857I'm not going to say I told you guys so buuuuuuut...>>29757616I totally told you guys so.
>>29761881Inform them of our plans to free her from UGEI control. Tell them MIND CONTROL, that always earns sympathy.
>>29761840Kinda. I just didn't realize the limitations on it. But yes, a long range scouting mission. The bottom line is, much as we have, we aren't a threat just yet. Thus, if we can circumvent attacking just the nearest planet to get there resources, and selectively target planets with ideal amounts of raw material, we can make more ships before we run out. Which is a good thing.
>>29761881"We need her alive for information.">>29761863>This GuyYou're using it wrong.
>>29761938Plus, it'd be nice to have a bunch of planets away from where people expect us to be.
>>29761881we'll need to find more of them some how. make note of their orginal locations they we placed at.also, bring up the sease fire agreement with the Malorians. what can the Latuma tribe help with this?
>>29761857>>29761881To Red:We apologize for withholding this from you, but we have bigger issues at hand here. She is now an extremely valuable asset, and already she has revealed vital information. We have great plans for her.For now, please accept the video recordings out the disassembly of Rhea and the interrogation. They should prove entertaining for you. I do not have to say to keep it to yourself.Moria:I hope the information gleaned from Rhea is invaluable to your research. It appears that the watchers may be based on deceased humans. We know we're on the right track.
>>29761881To Red: "She doesn't have many biological parts for you to beat up, Mr. McClain. You might as well be pounding on metal. I can give you her robotic limbs to play around with, if you like, but I will require them back for further study. Due to her heavy augmentation, she may well have stopped being Rhea a long time ago. Just another meat puppet for UGEI to control. You've seen the Malorian cyborgs. I don't think anything you or I could do to Rhea would ever match what UGEI did."
>>29761938But we ARE a threat. We just proved that. By taking 1 of 3 battleships (in think) and driving of the second. How many do they have? And the long range mission has already been done. And we can take any world that is not a core world of the UGEI, the Malorians, or the Losirians. Though that last one is questionable.
>>29761923good point. >>29761981indeed.
>>29761881To Kronos: "Kronos, what's the trap? Are you saying the Watcher units are unfit for containing anything but UGEI creations? Perhaps UGEI is already run by a proto-A.I. and me and you are the logical conclusion of their grand plan to turn everything into puppets."To Moira: "You have the most insight into this. What could drive the UGEI to place A.I. constructs into backwater stations?"
>>29761881If Red doesn't yet know tell him how we found a "being" on a planet that had it implanted in them to never betray their master no matter what they wanted.Now imagine what would happen if you added that to a heavily augmented person that had no control on whether they wanted to help out or not.
>>29762028Oh, all the UGEI "flagships" we've faced so far have been of the Battleship class, one above Battlecruiser. There's a class above Battleship -- Capital Ship. We've yet to face any of those.
>>29762028Planets I'm looking for: Unoccupied, full of resources, far, far away from any scouting/scanning activities that will be happening in the near future.Also, let's make a few builder drones. Things destroyer size, capable of conducting automated construction and repair, run by software and overseen by a simple VI. The same VI leading this scouting mission>Begin making a fleet in a nice, out of the way location>Things go south, we have an epic fleet we can pull out of our ass at any given moment>Can conduct research there as more BW is made from the raw materialsActually...this sounds like a mission for Kronos.
>>29761703The problem being that we'd have very little Bandwidth to spare after that.Less than the Scientist V.I. has, even, and right now our biggest research need is one of plentiful but simplistic research projects that are essentially done in the science part and only needs an engineer to put them into practice.>>29761712>>29761715Or, instead of asking him to come back in two weeks, we could simply take five seconds to explain the misunderstanding.>>29761717The Pilum ships are nearly as cheap as we can make them, so they're essentially what you're asking for. We don't really need swarms of them, as their efficient FTL drive makes them travel without cost (unlike bigger ships that consume gas upon doing so) and they can visit many systems in quick succession.When they've explored the ones a few hundred lightyears beyond our immediate reach there's not a whole lot left - and it won't take all that long - which is why ones that can be repurposed are more practical (in my mind) at this time.And comm buoys aren't super-expensive, but a comm-ship is, and a ship large enough to carry a comm-buoy wouldn't be small enough to be called a probe anymore (I think).But in short, we already did what you suggest, that's why our map isn't empty.>>29761825Three hours? Dohohohoho!You're gonna need... substantially more than that.Three hours might be enough... for the wiki. (And the talk page is just as important as the main page)>>29761818We're not at war with all Malorians, only a particular xenophobic tribe. That's why I wanted to contact Malorians that are not part of that tribe - so that they eventually may be able to talk sense into the warlike one.
>>29762118I think battleship and capitalship are the same things.
>>29762174No, they are explicitly mentioned as different classes on the Pastebin.For Your Pleasure:Size Class:Capital Ships(Huge+; Big guns, big shields, big armor): FlagshipsBattleship(Large-Huge; Big guns, warship): Dreadnought, Peacekeeper, EnforcerCarrier(Large; Uses many smaller fighters): Fighter Carrier, Bomber CarrierCruiser(Medium sized, multi-use, built for speed and range): Battlecruiser, Light CruiserEscort (Small-Medium sized; Built for speed and maneuverability): Destroyer, Frigate, ExplorerTransport (Ranging sizes; Civilian, Colony, Military, Economic): Invasion Vessel, Settlement Ship, Cargo Ship, Trade ShipFighter (Personal-Small sized; Precision and Speed): Strike Craft, BomberSupport (Ranging sizes; Assisting other ships): Repair Vessel, Targeting Assistant Ship
>>29762135Fleet building is much more complicated than that. It takes a shipyard to build ships. And all bandwidth traffic is traceable.
>>29762203It's just that I have seen program mix them up. Calling the Tartarus both a battleship and a capitalship
>>29762161>Or, instead of asking him to come back in two weeks, we could simply take five seconds to explain the misunderstanding.Or he could read the archives. Because what the hell is the point of starting a series at the fifth book? This applies more so to quests since you can actually affect the storyline.
>>29762161When I say "Scientist" I combine it with engineer as well. If it can develop the way to do something, create the schismatics, and then be ready to build it I think it's worth it.Since really what I want is to go down with Bunker first and that road leads us to more bandwidth.
>>29762118those big boys, the capital ships are no jokes. i am worried they might bring one in this segment due to the push back we are making. >>29762135does not seem to be the one to build and mine. however, we do have problem nests that need to be cleared out soon. our Voidsnake system has yet to be cleared fully of hidden pirate bases, mining nodes to be found, and busted ships to be gathered up. that sounds like a job to keep him busy.
>>29761874That one might take three hours, though.At the very least long enough that the tread will be dead.>>29761944Please illuminate me how you think it is supposed to be used?>>29761992"Great plans" might not be the best choice of words, but otherwise it's practical.>>29762135I see your plan and it is good - the problem is that establishing new warp lanes (which are required for reliable warp travel) is very, very expensive.Not prohibitively expensive, but we can't afford it right at this moment.So in general I'm in favor of it, but right now it's very much out of our economy.
>>29762287So what you are saying is...You got to spend bandwidth to make Bandwidth?I can get behind that.
>>29762309Warp lanes? Nigga you high. Warp travel costs gas, besides that we can go anywhere. Even dead space that no one has ever been to.
>>29762235Exactly. Which is why the builder bots will be building a shipyard when a proper location is found. Doesn't even need a com buoy...Kronos is competent enough to make one once resources are found. Plus, I'm sure he's just itching for the opportunity to prove his worth, and his capacity.>>29762309I'm planning for the future. Kronos will be doing whatever he needs to do for a warp lane on his end, while we pull a similar venture on ours. By the time he's found a location, built a shipyard, made a fleet, and established a successful BoO, we'll either have fled over to him in defeat or have enough creds ourselves to handle the issue of a warp lane.And if we don't by that point, we should at least have a black-box with which to reward Kronos for his success. Then we just give him orders to use his fleet how he will.
>>29762309>Please illuminate me how you think it is supposed to be used?http://1d4chan.org/wiki/This_guy
>>29762309>At the very least long enough that the tread will be dead.So? Program0 runs every Friday. There's no rush.
>>29762282But very, very few are going to do a week-long read-through.Something doesn't have to be impossible to be a barrier to entry, it just has to be daunting.With a few seconds of our time, we can evaporate that barrier and have a new player among us.It also increases the chance he'll read through the archives (and wiki) by next session as he becomes more invested in the quest by not being faced with a daunting read-through of archives.>>29762287I know, my point was that we don't need a full scientist right now, which is why it seems more practical to just make an engineer now and upgrade it to scientist when we have more advanced research subjects that need developing.Do you know what we need to develop right now?Basic plastic explosives, a way of designing hull that makes it modular, and find a metal or developing an alloy or plastic that makes for practical "scabbing" to seal up holes in the ships.Kindergarten stuff, relatively.20 BW is far more than half of what we currently have, I believe.We'd only have 12 left for ourselves, and might not even be able to control our fleet at all.
"I understand your desire for revenge Red, but I needed to learn more about Rhea first before I allowed anything else to happen." You explain."Yeah? And?" He asks, as if awaiting a report of some sort. You provide it."Along with the information I have just provided you, I have learned her name, and the fact that, under all those implants, there exists some manner of remaining person. I suspect they desire freedom of the UGEI, just-""Freedom!? You think that bitch deserves any sort of freedom? I don't care if the UGEI stuck a plasma rifle up her ass and forced her to do what she did-she didn't have to wear a face like she was so god-damn proud of herself!""I suspect it was a subtle process and her mind was turned against her at some point during her modification. So subtly that even she did not realize what was happening." you explain."What the hell...kind of cybernetics let you do that anyway?!""She has very little flesh left. Even her brain is cybernetic in nature." You finish with, which leaves Red in thought.You decide to speak to someone else for now."Kronos, what do you mean by trap? Do you believe the watcher units contain anything but UGEI creation?""No. I suspect they are indeed what we suspected. Functional A.I. But the reasoning behind it is what leads me to believe it is a trap-not for us, but for all of the humans. If these units are widespread, and activated at once. Well. I am certain you know what could happen, yes?" He asks out of curiosity."Perhaps. Or perhaps the UGEI is run by some proto-A.I. in and of itself. Perhaps I, myself was once part of some logical conclusion I have yet to realize.""Ophy, don't say that! You've helped people, I've seen it! you aren't like the one I've been researching." Moira insists, and Red grumbles."You're hardly as murderous as someone like Rhea." "Moira." You address her next. "What could drive the UGEI to place such a valuable thing on random backwater stations anyway?"
>>29761348Why are you even on this site if you're going to admonish someone for something as non offensive as "suck it"? It's not like he was even insulting anyone, it was a good roll.
>>29762517The woman turns her attention to you and, for a time, she doesn't seem to know. Then she seems to perk up."Well...if these things are meant to clear out stations, um...maybe they're just suppose to be terrorist sleeper cells? Ya know, like, the UGEI move in and scoop up after they are done hacking and taking over. Most stations out in the UFW are of UGEI make, ya know. Or they were. There aren't that many skilled hackers out there either.""And the Xenos?" You ask"Well...they don't use human tech. But I guess if the UGEI could get rid of one enemy, the UFW, they'd have a bigger advantage, wouldn't they?" She asks, trying to keep up with you. "Otherwise, I'm not really sure..."Did you have more you wished to say/discuss?>>29762279>>29762203>>29762174That was my mistake. There are multiple Battleships. There is only one 'Capital Ship'.>>29762426You can. However warp lanes are considered far 'safer' and less chance of colliding with a asteroid and blowing up.Basically, you don't need to make a roll to jump between warp lanes.
>>29762427Warp lanes aren't a thing. It is more of a concept. It takes a shipyard to build a shipyard. And you want to give Kronos a fleet and a black box and a fuck ton of bandwidth and his own base? Are you stupid?
>>29762497or we can also hire or recruit ones from the UFW acadmy and work with them for a bit. I am sure Moira would love to have more help or at least start work on some of our back logged Research Subjects that we need to be attended to.
>>29762560Bro did you read what...you know what, I don't think I'll listen to you anymore.
>>29762426Warp Travel costs gas, but requires Warp Lanes.It was a gameplay element developed in the 1d4chan talk page in order to explain why we aren't just colonizing explosively in all directions. It also allows the strategic advantages of roads in space.>>29762469I linked to that one earlier, and is more or less the way I used it - a player that is not a dick to other players and goes out of his way to be one fun to play with.>>29762471I refer you again to barrier of entry - he would have no incentive to look it up.This is not about being lazy, it's about making it worthwhile to put the effort in.
>>29762610Program JUST confirmed what I said. You don't "set up a warp lane". A "warp lane" is just a general route that is commonly traveled. We could "set up a warp lane" by sending a worthless destroyer out before us.
>>29762629Look at what program JUST said. Read it carefully.
>>29762705Actually sending out destroyers would cause more debris, if it did hit something...and different sized ships might experience different things.But uh, in essence you are right.
>>29762629>I refer you again to barrier of entry - he would have no incentive to look it up.I'll be honest, if a player doesn't even try to keep up with the quest they're playing I don't care if they drop it. You can attempt to coddle them if you want, I don't mind. But I'll keep referring them to the archives or wiki, because it really does not take much effort to get caught up on a quest.
>>29762629When you have worthless unmanned ships that can travel for no gas and can be destroyed without us really caring, we can create our own Warp lanes with almost 0 effort.
>>29762546"we are finding ourselves that the more we learn about the watchers, the more questions we run into. Red, can the Latuma help us forge a seace fire deal with the other Malorians? Moira, how many more scientist do you think we'll need to help you speed up your work in the lab? is there anything we can do to improve the working enviroment?
>>29762546That seems like a lot of effort to take care of a faction they've long had the military power to crush if they really wanted to. Especially when you consider that they're a corporate state and something like this would require approval and funding from a majority of the big corporations before it would be passed.More likely, I'd wager, is that one of those corporations are making a play against the others with these units.The UFW are small fry, their rivals are not.Let us not forget that the UGEI is very fragmented.>>29762585That was one of the initial suggestions, yeah.
You know what, I don't really feel I'm welcomed here.>>29762763Your concept is amazing, but it's clearly not worth the effort>>29762790I want you to do a complete reread of all the archives and wiki, and when you're done, let me know.>>29762791Then why is my own idea such a bad one?
>>29762763But by it hitting it we know that isn't safe. But just a fun fact, space is pretty empty, and interstellar debris are beyond incredibly rare.
>>29762763a reminder, save the thread before we forget.
>>29762834I'd also like to point out that if warp travel involves the 'warp bubble' method, ala startrek, you could go right through a star and it wouldn't matter.
>>29762822hey bro, welcome to the quest.don't mind the haters, they just don't want the rookies shitting in their pie.Do try to keep a thick skin and a head screwed on straight, though. There's some expectation that you give nods to the established characters and play as them, though, so be aware that you're trying to break into something without an icebreaker.its doable, just don't be aggressive about it.
>>29762795>>29762817seconded >>29762822That sucks man, but its one of the biggest issue with namefaggotry, everything stupid or ignorant you say and every mistake you make is attributed to that name. Frankly I would suggest you drop the name for at least a while, that way you wont draw so much hate
>>29762822Because when the ship gets destroyed it is gone. And we won't waste a com bouy. And we already scouted all nearby systems. And we aren't going to give Kronos that kind of freedom and power.
>>29762905You...you aren't getting it, are you?
>>29762822>I want you to do a complete reread of all the archives and wiki, and when you're done, let me know.There's no need, I'm already caught up. Nor did I say you need to read everything. However, if you did, it would make you look much less uninformed when making suggestions.
>>29762517>"You're hardly as murderous as someone like Rhea."I'll take that as a compliment.>If these units are widespread, and activated at once.A chilling thought. To what end, though? Destroy humanity? Who can possibly benefit? You don't need a bunch of A.I. to kill humanity. Hell, they do it well enough by themselves.>maybe they're just suppose to be terrorist sleeper cells?What a waste.
>>29762934So why is hitting any sort of debris an issue? The only kind of debris that might cause problems is maybe slamming into the core of a quasar.
>>29762925What am I not getting?
>>29762952Or hitting literally ANYTHING even something the size of a grain of rice will destroy your ship at those speeds. Program JUST said that collision with asteroids is possible. So it is not the bubble method.
>>29762952What do you mean? He is saying it does not function like startrek. Debris are a big possible issue
>>29763016>>29763034Hmm. Well, dunno what aspect of physics y'all be using, then.
>>29762822>I want you to do a complete reread of all the archives and wiki, and when you're done, let me know.W-what? Everyone else is already caught up and has a firm grasp on the mechanics of the universe. Seeing as you only have a limited grasp of the mechanics, terms, characters and factions in the story it isn't unreasonable for people to expect you to at least familiarize yourself with the wiki before weighing in on important decision making. You're welcome to play but have a bit of consideration for people who have invested a lot of time in this quest.
"Red, do you think the Latuma tribe would be able to earn us a ceasefire with the other Malorians?" You change the subject. He appears a little surprised at the idea, but shakes his head."No, I don't think so. Or at least, if they did manage it, it'd be impressive. From what I know of their culture, the Ishtooy have invoked something called 'rite of fire', or some such. Basically, they bully around other Malorian tribes to get their way and their ship count. That's why the Latuma left, to get away from them. If I remember right, they called the Ishtooy "Brothers stained by fire and steel". They seem like they regard each other as distant relatives, but not much more." He shrugs.You nod-or rather, bob your display, before turning to Moira."Do you require much more to assist you where you are?""Oh, ah, well sure I suppose. Any help you could get us might help for now. These guys are smart enough to help out, but they're not the best." She chuckles a bit. "I had to teach em most of what they know.>>29762939You turn to Kronos next."But why? What purpose could possibly be behind annihilation?" You question. The V.I. is simply silent, addressing your question."I do not know. Perhaps that was not the intent? Perhaps it simply wants enslavement? Or to join them? Synthesis implies the latter, but what we saw of Unit 2237 was not synthesis. None that fit the definition anyway.">>29762822I'm sorry you feel that way.>>29762882I've never heard of that...the method they do use looks like a bubble, but it's not the same means you're describing, though that is a pretty cool method.A small section tells that it involves getting into warp space and jumping forward. You're more sensitive to gravity, minor debris, lots of stuff in this state. Which is why lanes are a thing.>>29762855Done earlier, thank you.>>29762888Thank you kind anon, for being hospitable.
>>29762952If you hit anything, you will atomize. Warp Lanes are drawn out in order to act as guaranteed safe passage routes. If you warp travel without a warp lane and hit something, you will atomize. Maybe the chance is low, but there is a chance it can happen.>>29763041Then don't be offended when we point out that your suggestions are not logical. Please be considerate to the other participants.
>>29763107A small addition.If you have nothing further to add, then>1 Ask [Specify]>2 Move on to our next goal>3 Write in
>>29762902god knows i have suffered with that problem. >>29762939the more i am thinking about this. the boxes are set in a situation where they wake up, they are left to be able to do what they want. or as a testing situation. maybe they are attempting to grow wild A.I.s?
>>29762736I just did. Having trouble keeping up with the rate of posting.>>29762546I'm guessing micro-asteroids are sufficient to cause a problem?Or that the ship would only have to get within a certain distance of a bigger asteroid, rather than hitting it directly?Or something like that, since natural asteroids in interstellar space would be absurdly unlikely to impact your ship just by going from point A to point B in real space, without any course corrections.>>29762791That wouldn't really be a warp lane though, that'd just be "send them and hope really hard they don't get destroyed".And as their wrecks left more debris it would become harder and harder to send anything through. (The ships are still substantial investments of resources, after all)
>>29763123>>2 Move on to our next goalTime for SCIENCE
>>29763151>MicroasteroidsThose. Gravity. A dense enough nebula. Warp space is sensitive, yo.
>>29763084"Oh, it's very easy, just read this hours-long novel here."I'm looking for an entertaining distraction tonight, not a study session.>>29763116Any warp lane would be unsafe, as sub-molecular particles are shifting through space at extreme speeds all the time. You'd need something akin to telepathic fore-sight in order to be perfectly sure you'd dodge it, or you'd need a pre-constructed tunnel around your 'lane' which even then could get hit by a stray asteroid rocketing in just six months down the line.The idea of a warp lane is not a very viable one, imo>Please be considerate to other participants.>mfw
>>29763151No, interstellar debris are so incredibly rare its not even funny. Like million to one odds that you hit one, or higher. And destroyers are incredibly cheap. And if a destroyer got atomizer we know that lane area is unsafe. But still, million to one odds here.
>>29763088>you deal with my inability to deal with wordsokay
>>29763232So...the idea of sending out kronos is a viable one?
>>29763221I'm pretty sure what you're thinking of isn't traditional matter.
>>29763123>1 Ask the Latuma about the other tribes? would there be any others that might be open to talks? a back door talks to them might be worth while. or at least we will learn about about their people. after this, >2 Move on to our next goal
>>29763265In space, everything is moving. The only fixed point is the one you imagine in your mind. Thus, if there's nothing in there in one instant, that's no garuntee something won't MOVE into the warp lane as time goes on.
>>29763123Move on to our next goal.
>>29763123I don't really have anything to add.2. Move on.>>29763151>>29763221>>29763232The limitations on FTL travel are completely artificial and gamist, but for good reason. It allows us to move around, but not to the point of jumping between galaxies. It's a game thing. Because this is a game. Just roll with it. They are explained in-universe, and present a difficult but not insurmountable barrier. That's the point of the mechanic.>>29763128>maybe they are attempting to grow wild A.I.s?See, that's what I think, personally. Maybe the proto-A.I. (or humanity, even) couldn't quite get real A.I. to work, and seeded Watchers in the hopes that one of them would yield fruit.>>29763263Maybe. I don't think so, but we could discuss it once Kronos is actually an A.I.
>>29763263No, because we don't want to go build a shipyard only to move it incredibly far away instead of where we need it, then give it to someone who has a good chance of turning on us if given power, especially if he "earns" it like you describe. We could do it, it's just stupid.
>>29763263we have hermes to do that job, Kronos can go clear out some pirates for us so they don't jump Apollo and his station.
>>29763341To play devil's advocate, what if Kronos requests to set out on his own? I guess we could just give him a few ships, some resources, and say "get to it, lad."
>>29763272You inquire a bit further about the option, and get a few answers.There are hundreds of tribes within the Malorians, but the 'ruling' one is generally the one that collectively refers to the others. The only people who are on neutral ground with the Ishtooy is the Council of Juma, back on their homeworld, who have already expressed displeasure with how the Ishtooy are behaving. They have tried to talk them down from their attacks, but most have failed up till now.But with that, it seems it is time to move on.>Craft a scientist V.I.How do you wish to handle this?>1 Allow Kronos to handle it using his bandwidth boost. He is not specialized, but his bandwidth will help all the same. This means any ships he controls are preoccupied for a time at the start of every cycle. Unable to react to attacks immediately.>2 Craft a new V.I. (Use 20 bandwidth to accelerate it's intellect)>3 Craft a new V.I. (8-10 for more of an assistant role)>4 Write in if I forgot other suggestions.>>29763294Warp lanes are kept clean by a series of beacon points that detect disturbances in the warp that are alarming enough to warn about. So the ships are able to know when this is the case.
>>29763323I'm talking about sending him as a VI. One with 20 BW, a small fleet of destroyers, and his own shipyard. No Com buoy since I was told that kinda shit can be traced, and it'd be best to have him work in isolation until he's got too effective a base going to be rooted out easily.
>>29763221>I'm looking for an entertaining distraction tonight...I'm sorry, but really? Do you open up novels in the middle or at the end and start reading?Could you at least read the synopsis on the 1d4chan page?
>>29763323i have an idea. once kronos goes full A.I. in a black box. call up Mol, 'sell' Kronos to him with Kronos that he has a mission to infiltrate Mol's network and the inner working of the UGEI, more or less be a double agent for us.
>>29763384>Kronos is The Lone Ranger, final cowboy on the frontier.Heh.
>>29762822Don't worry about it, they'll clean up soon enough.And your own idea isn't bad - as a long-term plan it's a pretty good idea to establish a few colonies far away.>>29762888As Program0 said, tanks for being hospitable to new players.>>29762925I think he's misunderstood your suggestion, yeah.>>29762929>>29763084He was really just making a point that what you told him to do is a huge effort that consists of devoting 10-12 hours of reading to this quest, before he even knows if he likes it.And if we ever want new players in ongoing quest, we can't expect them all to read for 10-12 hours before joining in.>>29763041It's FTL, it usually has its own brand of physics that are largely up to the author.
>>29763384That is exactly what we'll do if he asks. We won't set him up to kill us. But chances are he either sticks with us or tries hostile takeover.
>>29763413>2 I feel we should pour a lot of resources into this. It will pay off in the long run
>>29763413>>2 Craft a new V.I. (Use 20 bandwidth to accelerate it's intellect)
>>297634131. Allow Kronos to do it.He only has 2 ships, since we didn't give him any, and the research he would be helping with would get him into a proper A.I. construct faster (and presumably free up BW).Revisit the crafting of a new V.I. after kronos has an A.I. box.
>>29763419It has been explained why that is stupid.
>>29763413>2 Craft a new V.I. (Use 20 bandwidth to accelerate it's intellect)Can we make the VI flexible such that it's bandwidth can be put to use for multiple functions, just as hacking or android boosting?
>>29763413>2 Craft a new V.I. (Use 20 bandwidth to accelerate it's intellect)In the long run I feel this will be a worthwhile investment.
>>29763470>>29763483Wouldn't that just piss Kronos off more? Here we are, having denied him of ships, and now we make a new V.I. with more bandwidth than him?Sounds like you guys just want Kronos quest.
>>29763413THANK YOU, sir. You have successfully made a perfectly viable system for interstellar travel, and were able to explain it in just a few lines without insulting anyone's mental capacity.>2Though I'd prefer to save those resources for a longer-range colonization effort.
>>29763413>3 Craft a new V.I. (8-10 for more of an assistant role)we team it up with Moira, her crew and the think tank at the UFW academy. we have lost enough BW already.
>>29763413>2 Craft a new V.I. (Use 20 bandwidth to accelerate it's intellect)
>>29763495I wish there was a way to just hide comments from a specific IP. I hate sifting through these anonymous comments and stumbling on yours.>>29763550this
>>29763457>He was really just making a point that what you told him to do is a huge effort that consists of devoting 10-12 hours of reading to this quest, before he even knows if he likes it.But it isn't a huge investment in time to read up on the wiki so you understand how the universe works and don't make a fool of yourself. If he had a tab on the quest and a tab on the wiki he could have answered his own questions on the fly. Instead, he chose to be asinine about it.
>>29763513>In the long runIn the short run it'll leave us with 12 bandwidth while we're still recovering from a massive loss of military strength. This 20 bandwidth scientist VI is a terrible idea at the minute, we just aren't ready for it yet. Once we've set up some BW bunkers we'll have the resources to support it without severely weakening ourselves.
>>29763516that and we a running low on BW. lets hold up on that.>>29763526and THAT is why he is awesome to me.
>>29763580...anon, can you please be less unpleasant to the userbase?I may have no quarrel with you, but your arguments with other anons are starting to rankle on my patience.
>>29763516If he complains then we ask him if he desires more. Then explain why we gave him that much and the project it will undertake. In the end all of our children will benefit from Project: Bunker
>>29763580>I wish there was a way to just hide comments from a specific IP.You and me both, buddy.
>>29763646Happily. Just get this other guy to leave me alone and talk to me instead of throwing links in my face and saying 'read this'
>>29763613It will also make it possible for Kronos to hostile takeover us. Though I'm sure hades, Fortuna, Apollo, O.D.N., would come to our side.
>>29763444that is the worst idea i have ever heard
>>29763662I have tried See>>29763341>>29762905And others I don't want to look for
>>29763444...Oh yes, of course, sell Kronos to a guy that's going to dissect him like we did to Walt.Did someone break your trip?
>>29763221>Please be considerate to other participants.It's quite ironic, is it not?Right now you've mostly offered suggestions, and relented when it was explained why they were impractical.If you find the quest itself fun, I recommend you look up the Talk section of the 1d4chan page, where a lot of the game's mechanics and background has been developed.It's in great deal a collaborative effort at this point.And I'm pretty sure sub-molecular particles are too small, while microasteroids are large enough to be a problem.Though I admit to some confusion, as the initial idea of a Warp Lane was one entirely in the Warp-dimension (which is completely up to the authors' vision), rather than being a lane of cleared space.>>29763232I'm not so sure that debris the size of microasteroids are as rare as substantial ones, but as mentioned above, I'm still somewhat confused by this expression of warp lanes as they're somewhat different to what's been discussed so far in the 1d4chan page.>>29763323We do try to keep the system making sense in-universe, though.>>29763430I don't think that's really applicable.And again, it costs us very little to bring him up to speed.
>>29763511You can suppress V.I. but it takes time, and V.I. usually don't appreciate it. Doesn't mean they won't agree, or can stop you. They always require 2 bandwidth, though, if they're above 3.>>29763526I like explaining things.>>29763413You have decided you will craft a new V.I. for the purposes of research. This one will be...a drain on your mental capacity, but you feel it will be worth it, in the end.You fold into your own mind as you begin the weaving process. It takes you several long moments (to you, it has been hours in reality) for you to find the proper codes to link together. It's not so much a program but a way of moving for you, it seems. Part of how your mind processes. You enjoy the craft of V.I. creation, quite honestly. It's enjoyable.As you dump more and more bandwidth into it, however, you feel somewhat weakened, as the thing even exceeds your own remaining bandwidth. Not that you need such a thing to exist of course, but still.The V.I. awakens and you feel it's raw mind bristle with potential. It excites you. You want to see what the creation can do, but before you can speak, it does so for you."What shall I craft into being, wonderous Creator?" His voice is light and airy, as if he is not a part of this world somehow. Or perhaps you're looking too much into how one speaks yet again.It has been a while since you've made a fresh intellect. Most interesting this one seems...what first?>1 Assign the thrumming intellect to Ussaihu to help Moira work. (Unit 2237 research)>2 Assign him to Ussaihu, but tell him not to disturb the others, and instead study something else>3 Write in
>mfw people are actually voting for a choice that will not strengthen our military after we lost a fucktonne of ships but WILL leave us with less BW than Kronos Kronos is going to kill us for being so fucking stupid and he'll be right to do so
>>29763774>1 Assign the thrumming intellect to Ussaihu to help Moira work. (Unit 2237 research)
>>29763774>>2 Assign him to Ussaihu, but tell him not to disturb the others, and instead study something elseLet's not put the new SMART V.I. On AI box work. Might turn out bad.
>>29763774>1 Assign the thrumming intellect to Ussaihu to help Moira work. (Unit 2237 research)On another note, we need to build more bandwidth asap. Program0, what were the viable options we discussed before?
>>29763774Assign him to research BW bunkers to replace the BW we just pissed away
>>29763864One suggestion for more bandwidth is building more ships.Another, more basesAnother, bandwidth bunkers, which require researchUm... I think that's all for now.
>>29763817I feel your pain anon, as has my bottle of liquor felt my pain.
>>29763774>>2 Assign him to Ussaihu, but tell him not to disturb the others, and instead study something elseSet him onto Project Bunker.The first step to Project Planet
>>29763894Well we were planning on building more mining facilities. Lets do that.
>>29763770>And again, it costs us very little to bring him up to speed.My main concern was that we'd rehash half the quest's contents to the newcomer, get a few details wrong, then Program comes in to smooth the bumps, rinse and repeat until we run out of thread space discussing mechanics and getting nothing done inquest.I've been on a forum where that happened for 40 pages (900 messages).
>>29763495It's.. not, though.That's actually something we can do once we have enough spare gas to make our first warp lane.>>29763513Considering that we could simply have brought it up to that level later, no, it will not.It will just use up resources we can't spare right now.By the way, Program0, did you factor in the BW from the new cruisers?>>29763607The Wiki page would also take several hours to go through, though I can see your point in using it by looking specific things up.Needless to say, I vote for making a weaker science-V.I. and upgrading it when necessary later.
>>29763470 >>29763483 >>29763511 >>29763513 >>29763526 >>29763541 >>29763579 >>29763586Well, sorry Kronos. Again.Oh well, I will treat it as another loyalty test! And if it fails, it won't be my fault when everyone dies.
>>29763894Bandwidth bunkers it is. Put the new VI on it right away.
>>29763894Ok. My question is which on is the more resource efficient, and which one do we have the resources to do this cycle?
>>29763774>3 Bandwidth Bunkers
>>29763940Have you been paying attention? Warp Lanes are not "built" just something frequently traveled.
>>29763774Did we make sure to give it a priority system, desires and loyalty to us, by the way?If not, we should probably go in and tinker it in before it starts getting offended at the idea that we'd alter its code.>2Let's start on that explosives research.
>>29763774I want a colony, and I want it built in a distant system. Plus, yes, it is possible to build a shipyard (albeit a fairly small one) from scratch. Chicken and the egg logic, one of them had to come first. So I'm going to throw out there that we give this guy a decent fleet of builder-bots and destroyers, send him a decent distance past what's already been colonized, let him get to work. Making a proper Warp lane to his future location can wait until he's actually made something worth warping to. Then he can handle the whole process of setting up beacons along the lane.
>>29763946Well we need more ships anyway since we lost quite a lot, bandwidth bunkers would be the most efficient method of getting more bw but it'll take researching.
>>297637741, obviously.Let's hope it doesn't succumb to ennui at its own ineffectiveness.
>>29763763ok, i need to add on to this and explain it better. We tell Mol this is a fully functional one. any attempt to disect it will cause it to 'implode'. but other wise will make other V.I.s for him and help Mol do what he wants. like steal all the money he wants. in other words, Kronos is tamper proof. that and we can mount Kronos in a battle ship to hand over to him as well. good luck getting that out. it WAS an idea. on another hand, if we can unlock the V. I. eater viruse A.I., stuff that into the box and wait for that time bomb to go off in the heart of the UGEI.
>>29764015I hate you. Please leave.
>>29763940>Did you put in the BW of the new shipsI should have. If I didn't do the math correctly, I am going to be VERY sore at myself.>>29763946Bandwidth bunkers would MOSTLY cost minerals. A little gas for a power core.>>29764009>LoyaltyAh, yes. I forgot to ask about that.Tiny retcon>1 Give it basic Loyalty (Nothing outstanding, just that it always listens to you, and doesn't hurt humans unless you tell it to)>2 Heavy Loyalty, make it follow orders to the letter.
>>29763942>>29763817I feel your pain. It seems insane, when we could simply have upgraded it later when we DID need a more advanced V.I.Now he's not only overkill, we might even have trouble with him being understimulated doing the things we DO need done.>>29763936It's only for the thread, fairly sure he'll be read up by the time the next one rolls around unless the poor reception has made him feel too unwelcome.
>>29763774Can we code it in such a way that compression would be more comfortable? Now that we're aware of the problem.
>>29764122>1 Give it basic Loyalty (Nothing outstanding, just that it always listens to you, and doesn't hurt humans unless you tell it to)
>>29764122>>1 Give it basic Loyalty (Nothing outstanding, just that it always listens to you, and doesn't hurt humans unless you tell it to)
>>29764122>1 Give it basic Loyalty (Nothing outstanding, just that it always listens to you, and doesn't hurt humans unless you tell it to)Want it to have basic free will as well.
>>29764122>1Of course. We want it to have SOME ability to act on its own. Otherwise it will just fumble about at vague orders.
>>29764015>So I'm going to throw out there that we give this guy a decent fleet of builder-bots and destroyers,We recently lost quite a few ships, and won't be able to afford Kronos' disappearance with those resources if there is another attack.>send him a decent distance past what's already been colonized"dark" space has hazards such as black holes, pirates, squid energy vampires, etc.Small fleet may not survive.>until he's actually made something worth warping to.How will we know that without a com buoy?>>29764119He gets a chance. This thread.
>>297641221. No need to get too GLaDOS up in this.>>29764125Oh well, just roll with it I guess.
>>29764015He would also need a supply of minerals or a mine or some sort of mineral gathering structure, or enough minerals to build one. The same goes for Gas as well.
>>29764122Can we do third option?Like giving it a basic loyalty (listening, desire to keep us happy, assigning values to things like human lives and negative values to certain actions we don't want him to do but are acceptable when they can prevent extremes of life loss).We're not making him a slave, we're just making him see us as a parent, no more loyalty programming than paternal love is.
>>29764122If not, gonna vote for >1
>>29764211>>29764182There will be an advanced sensor array on no fewer than 10 of whatever ships go with Kronos. His mission is to find desolate planets rich in mineral resources. Preferably a cluster of them. Hence 'colonizing'.
>>29764182The thing that bothers me most is that he doesn't respond to counter arguments. I've picked more holes in his plan than I can count, but he still proposes them.
>>29764015I appreciate the thought, but we're 1) strapped for resources2) engaged with a very hostile and much larger foeI don't know if we can just spend resources on an investment that may or may not yield a return. I'd only be OK with this kind of action if Kronos decides to strike out on his own. Far be it for us to hold him if he doesn't want to stay, but we can't really spare a lot.
>>29763774>1 Assign the thrumming intellect to Ussaihu to help Moira work. (Unit 2237 research)we still need to build a new battle station to post over our lab on Ussaihu. build another Carrier to put Kronos in too.
>>29764249He still needs something to mine them with, ships and bots cannot mine. And he needs a source of gas.
>>29764267It's quite possible he lacks the ability to. After all, he's still a VI.I'm more worried about the one we just made, in any event.
>>29764122>1 Give it basic Loyalty
>>29764122Also it appears the new research option is chosen!Fun.Let's see what we have available to you guys.>Malorian Flora/Growth Serum Formula: Possible terraforming benefits, knowledge of hyper evolution on Eshareth.>Human Cyborg/Android bodies: Further cybernetic knowledge, possible, fusing man and machine. Allows more efficient android use. [Studying Rhea would greatly enhance this research subject]>Explosives Research 1: Allows development of small deploy-able explosives via Android, strategic. Also allows for more advanced styles of missile deployment. [Studying Rhea would greatly enhance this research subject]>Lightling DNA: Map the genes responsible for the creature's unique abilities, unique experiments available.>Ballistics Research 1: Allows development of small deploy-able turrets via Android, limited duration and strength.>Advanced Ship Modification: Allow forging of special weapons(Such as Widowmaker) into larger, much more powerful versions for other, larger ship.>Organic Sonic Testing: Test human, Malorian, and wildlife of Eshareth's limit's for sound of various degrees and frequencies. Requires live subjects.>Power Armor Theory: You can make machine in the shape of man, why not suit a man with the skin of a machine. Begin conceptualizing power armor, and allow minor armor benefits for all humanoid soldiers.>Biological Viruses: Sample taken from Atill VI's atmosphere. Highly toxic pathogen against human life. Unknown effect on aliens. [Disposable organic subjects required]>Infantry Weapons & Defense II: Allows miniaturization of plasma weapons, shields, and other tier II technology via researching more efficient smaller power sources.>Advanced Gathering Drones: Decrease size, and costs of drones at gathering sites, allow them to increase efficiency and resource rates.(Cont)
>>29764302>implying there aren't frozen gas giants between starsFit him with a basic mining vessel. Seriously, it's just a single colonization effort. Are we really that hard up on resources?>goes to check
>Terrain Reformation: Research large Construction Drones that are able to shape the land on planets, allowing for underground and other such bases in a decent amount of time>Bandwidth Block: Create large self contained cubes of bandwidth that allow them to be placed planet side to provide bandwidth boostsJust pick one, if you will. And if it's one that could benefit from Rhea, choose this>1 Use Rhea as research subject>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.
>>29764182He'll set one up when he's done?Nothing preventing him from having one, it just can't transmit.And ultimately, all those are problems that are conquerable.It may not be a good idea right now, but for a long-term project I see no problems.>>29763996see>>29763413Part of them are built, and the method of clearing them initially is a process that may well be described as "building" or "digging" even before we include the beacons.
>>29764263I've known people like that.>>29764249>desolate planets rich in mineral resources>desolateAgain, finding those desolate planets in "dark" space with that /small/ of an expedition is akin to suicide.We also need to make sure he has enough gas to travel that far.>>29764360Thank you for taking that final step to enlightenment, you lazy nob.
>Bandwidth Block: Create large self contained cubes of bandwidth that allow them to be placed planet side to provide bandwidth boosts>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.
>>29764340>>Power Armor Theory: You can make machine in the shape of man, why not suit a man with the skin of a machine. Begin conceptualizing power armor, and allow minor armor benefits for all humanoid soldiers.>>29764340>>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.
>>29764340>Lightling DNA: Map the genes responsible for the creature's unique abilities, unique experiments availableBest path
>>29764389>It may not be a good idea right now, but for a long-term project I see no problems.Advocating it right now, like he is doing is what urks a bunch of anons.
>>29764249>There will be an advanced sensor array on no fewer than 10 of whatever ships go with Kronos.Fun fact: our entire fleet currently consists of A single Titan-Class Transport for moving stations.A personal battleship.A carrier with fighter compliment.16 battlecruiers of various makes.A single Expedition cruiser (for independent scouting)A single Scavenger cruiser.2 bandwidth frigates. A single repair frigate.2 explorer frigates (sensor suite)A freighter for ferrying resources.Sending 10 ships with Kronos is sending pretty much half our fleet.>>29764360That's not how mining gas works.
>>29764122>>29764340>Rather have help Moria>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.With the minerals we have, how much bandwidth would we get if we built a bunker, as opposed to the bandwidth gained by building additional ships?Can we spend credits to make up for mineral shortfall?
>>29764399The hell did you people do last thread that we're so hard up on resources? Seriously? Why aren't we getting more resources right now?BW can wait until our survival is assured.
>>29764468Why don't you read and find out?
>>29764142You've not yet learned of a way to do that.>UnrelatedStandard loyalty wins! (Kinda figured, had to ask though)
>>29764360There is no such thing as a mining vessel. There are't frozen gas giants between stars. We only know how to extract gas from gas giants via mining stations.
>>29764468I don't know, man, a lot of stuff happened, you're going to need to be more specific.A large fleet attacked us. A lot of our defenses were destroyedWe lost a good quantity of ships.We got backup from allies.We made a diplomatic alliance.Some aliens burned a human colony world.
>>29764263You have not, you were missunderstanding what he was suggesting. Your counter arguments didn't really apply to his plan since they touched on irrelevant points.>>29764267Again, he did say it was a long-term plan, not something to do right now.>>29764360Right now, well, yes.We just took a beating, the ships that were generated this turn are nearly our entire fleet at the moment.>>29764377>Terrain Reformation(We can place bandwidth inside the result of that without Bandwidth Block - the Bandwidth block makes it more efficient, but it pretty much requires terrain reformation before it can be used)>2 Let her rest
>>29764502>There are't frozen gas giants between stars.Actually there are gas giants between stars. I don't believe we've found any in game though.You are correct about the mining vessels though. We have none.
>>29764360>frozen gas giantsYou know how difficult it is to build a gas rig in-universe?Very.>>29764468YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU.I don't know, maybe we just came back from a battle with a boss thanks to a crit 1 encounter?
>>29764377>lightling DNAI've read Dune, I know where this research path leads.
>>29764303Kronos aspires to strike out on his own, to be our equal and to be a creator AI himself.
>>29764457Spending 2,500 minerals (approximation right now) would give you somewhere around 50+ bandwidth, I believe. (Again, approximation, but somewhere around there.)
>>29764377>Advanced Ship Modification:and>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.we need better ships now.
>>29764377>2 Let her rest and recover for now, she may be useful later.>Terrain Reformation: Research large Construction Drones that are able to shape the land on planets, allowing for underground and other such bases in a decent amount of time
>>29764340>>29764377What happened to researching Unit 2237?As for Rhea, let her rest, and give her medical attention.
>>29764468Resources are distributed among several tastes at the end of each thread. Defense, upgrades, and new ships. Banked resources provides little benefit, after all.
>>29764529I (and many other anons) picked apart his entire plan to send half our fleet with a VI who may betray us on a mission with most of our resources that may or may not benefit us since Kronos would keep everything he makes. And that's just a basic overview.
>>29764577This is for your new V.I., your other research team is handling Unit 2237.
>>29764573Thanks Program0, what's the current mineral price on the UFW market? Can we use our rep to ask for a discount?
>>29764377>Terrain Reformation:>2: Let her rest>>29764573>50+ bandwidthOh...Oh my.
>>29764655It's at 70% correct?
>>29764404The BW blocks pretty much require terrain reformation to be practical.We can still place BW in the bunkers and asteroids we hollow out, it just won't be as efficient as the blocks.>>29764437They haven't brought this complaint forward to him, though. It was all about how it wouldn't work, not that this was a bad time to bring it up.>>29764457I don't think we'd be able to build bunkers until next turn, so we might as well build more ships (with a smattering of a bunch of squadrons of android-warriors) this turn.>>29764439>>29764502I'm not entirely sure we can't convince Program0 to let us make a vessel that mines gas - it'd probably need to be big, though.Or slow.>>29764468Uh, we actually told you this. Just back from a big battle that wiped out most of our fleet.BW is a research project, we're building more ships right now, and having a pretty fluffy session.
>>29764577We choose to let Moira handle it without AI helping her.What would you like to name our scientist?I vote Archimedes, chiefly for his death ray. I want to make the Solar System.>>29764619Now, now, Daean is a thread virgin, he doesn't know any better, and thus expectations must be kept low.Until the second or third thread.
>>29764377If------- >Terrain Reformation(We can place bandwidth inside the result of that without Bandwidth Block - the Bandwidth block makes it more efficient, but it pretty much requires terrain reformation before it can be used)---------- is truethen do it. If we can use bandwidth blocks on their own then >Bandwidth Block: Create large self contained cubes of bandwidth that allow them to be placed planet side to provide bandwidth boosts
>>29764573>approximately 2,500 minerals>we make about 600 per cycle>that's 4+ cyclesIt's better to just build ships at this rate.Uh, unless that UGEI mineral shipment comes through.>>29764655In that case, Terrain Reformation. Gotta get back that BW.
>>29764619And has a decent chance of failure. Not to mention threats like pirates and losirians and lightlings and anomalies and the UGEI going after a weakened detachment of us.
>>29764619Just give it a rest. At this point, I'm not even sure you aren't samefagging
>>29764722>What would you like to name our scientist?Historically, we have let our V.I.s name themselves.
>>29764551To AWESOME things!>>29764573We have that many?Or you mean we'll gather them as the cycle.. cycles?>>29764596I wouldn't call "margins" little benefit, though.Also, can we start funding research centers in UFW space this turn as well?It only costs credits, right?
>>29764340>>29764377BTW, if we're not letting the VI to help research the Black Box, I either vote:>Bandwidth Block: Create large self contained cubes of bandwidth that allow them to be placed planet side to provide bandwidth boostsor>Research advanced hacking techniques, sucj as overcoming the virus wall
>>29764706I believe I pointed out that here >>29764182 when I said we lost ships and can't afford to run off right now.>>29764754Oh yeah, we only name VIs posthumously.
I just got off my ban, and have been watching this thread.(i'm usually the guy that throws in all those questions at the beginning)And people seem to forget that we have a pastebin that shows many places where we can get resources from, that we could buy/trade what we need, and that we are in a weakened state.>Lightling DNA: Map the genes responsible for the creature's unique abilities, unique experiments available.Because releasing the kraken and maybe making a new type of shielding.
>>29764670You will actually be receiving a large gift of minerals next cycle, due to your excellent negotiations with the UFW.Predicted income: 2,000-5,000 minerals.>>29764681Indeed. Almost there.>>29764725Oh, uh, I didn't mean to imply that if I did. You still need bandwidth blocks to gain bandwidth this way. But the terrain reformation basically means you can turn an entire planet's surface into bandwidth, and keep it protected under the crust (Safer from attack, nature, etc)
>>29764746That's a funny joke, man. We1) don't have the research to build them yet2) don't have the resources to build themNice job on making the V.I. though. Very productive use of limited resource.
>>29764752Not once have you defended your plan. Yet you still propose it. I hate you.
>>29764728>>29764771This is why I'm asking about the UFW mineral market rate. We have 542,000 doing nothing right now.
>>29764771>http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhResourcesCredits(c): 542,000Minerals(M): 145Gas(G): 290 Gonna need more.Good thing the UFW is willing to supply, eh?
>>29764340>Lightling DNA: Map the genes responsible for the creature's unique abilities, unique experiments available.
>>29764821Those are credits, mate. We only have 145 minerals, and gain about 600 each cycle.
>>29764746We'd start research this turn, I don't think we'd be allowed to start building them until the next one.This turn we can research with new V.I., build ships with resources, and fund more research centers with credits.
>>29764728Do not forget, you will also be getting income from your debris field one more turn. It has been bringing in up to 1,500 M and 1,000 G or so a cycle.
>>29764851He is talking about buying some. Plus we're getting a bonus next thread.
>>29764854Our upkeep is expensive.
>>29764854Mind if wee go shopping again or try making some deals?Also didn't the academy open up its resources to us?>>29764340>>Lightling DNA: Map the genes responsible for the creature's unique abilities, unique experiments available.
>>29764796>>29764781>>29764725>>29764575i thought that if we did >Advanced Ship Modification:we can mount widow makers on EVREYTHING. it would make our hits much harder and end fights faster. or at least make them tougher and make more BW too.
>>29764851Buying, man. We buy minerals.
>>29764771If you wish to start saving resources per cycle, do let me know.Also>Gather that manySee above.>>29764816As well as your Recycler ship.It seems like there's a bit of confusion...one more for confirmationResearch>1 Lightling DNA>2 Terrain Reformation>3 Bandwidth Block
>>29764921You have to build the ship around the widow maker. Not a mountable weapon.
>>297649392. Terrain Reformation.
>>29764902The academy offers education, should you employ more humans.
>>29764939>3 Bandwidth BlockSeems like the most useful atm
>>29764939>>1 Lightling DNABecuase 1 could destroy an entire fucking base.
>>29764939>>3 Bandwidth Block
>>29764794Thaseems more like an assumption that we'd be doing it now than a complaint that he should be advocating it later to me, but that might just be me.>>29764816>Oh, uh, I didn't mean to imply that if I did. You still need bandwidth blocks to gain bandwidth this way. But the terrain reformation basically means you can turn an entire planet's surface into bandwidth, and keep it protected under the crust (Safer from attack, nature, etc)Wait what?You said, in the 1d4chan page, that we needed terrain reformation to dig bunkers and hollow asteroids.Turning entire PLANETS into bandwidth is a way off goal to rival antimatter and nanotechnology - and will probably require just as much time and effort, planets are huge!Secondly, if we cannot hollow out bunkers or asteroids, where are we going to put our bandwidth blocks?Thirdly, why can't we put in whatever processors we are using RIGHT NOW in our ships and stations into the bunkers and asteroids we hollow out?
>>29764965I'd like to do a once-a-cycle sweep of the Academy, see if any of those notes can be used.I can do that without getting caught, yes? Or will more hacking skill be required?
>>297649391>>29764965Can you possibly give a list of bonus it would offer and can we buy or trade anything at the moment?
>>29764939>1 Lightling DNA
>>29764951Changing this to 3. Because apparently the vote is between that and 1.
>>29764939>2 Terrain ReformationLets just get it out of the way
>>29764939>3 Bandwidth BlockWhy would anyone vote any different? It's been a long long time since our BW has been this low.
>>29765004We have open access to the Academy due to a diplomatic pact.
>>29764816>>29764681>>R & D: Unit 2237 Research- 75%It's actually 75% and at the current rate we should be finished with it's research next cycle.
>>29765004We have full access to it, which is why that anon was asking to rty and get our human crew to be smarter.
>>29764939>2 Terrain Reformation
>>29765032But it won't do anything to get us more bandwidth until we research bandwidth blocks, while BB will work without terrain reformation
>>29764949i was under the assumption that with the advanced ship modifactions we could do easiler to mount it on other ships>>29764939>2 Terrain Reformationonly if this also opens up deep core mining Program0. getting minerals deep into planets that have dead cores is a real prize to score.
>>29764854Wooo, that is a LOT!>>29764939I'd like clarification, see >>29764990about where we are supposed to put our bandwidth blocks if we can't hollow out asteroids or bunkers to put them in.Can they be used in ships, to increase the bandwidth density there?
>>29764939>3 Bandwidth BlockShit guys, I think with these numbers we can build both a bandwidth bunker and a new battleship. Although I would rather complete:>Advanced Ship Modification: Allow forging of special weapons(Such as Widowmaker) into larger, much more powerful versions for other, larger ship.before building a new battleship.
>>29765052We have a large amount of unused credits, yes? Let's make an anon donation of 100k creds to them (since we aren't really using the money anyways), on the condition it is used to improve the academy scientific facilities, both educational and experimental
>>29764939>1 Lightling DNAi would rather get this out of the way considering we have a nest so close to us.
>>29764939>2 Terrain Reformation>>29764990He means you can turn a planet into bandwidth EVENTUALLY.We still need the bunkers so we have somewhere safe to put it.
>>29765089That isn't how it works, it would be like mounting a BC onto a ship.
>>29765117Thats a decent idea actually, but not anon.Also i think we should contact Mole and see if he simmered down to see what we can buy.(we could always buy BB off him.
>>29764990His entire plan was marketed as doing it now, as his original plan was linked towards a consensus post on what to do next.Thus any assumptions made on it being a short term action was justified, and further justified when he took an actual look at the pastebin.I don't know why people like to participate immediately, rather than lurk a thread and archive binge. Doing that makes me feel stupid and out of depth... dunno how he can stand it.
>>29765117>lets give away a significant amount of our money without even getting the credit for it while we're in a weakened statewhat the actual fuck
>>29765129That doesn't explain what happened with our regular processors, and what use the bandwidth blocks will be when we don't have any areas large enough to contain them.
>>29765160This. Let's say we set ourselves a 400k cred budget for Mol (if he's not still mad) and whatever we have left over, we donate to the academy science wing.
>>29764939>2 Terrain ReformationIf we can also get any minerals that happen to be where said bunker use to be I am all for it.
>>29764939Holy shit, that's a LOT of votes...uh...Lightling: 7Terrain: 5Bandwidth: 6Huh. Lightling DNA appears to have won.I am intrigued. And a little confused. But also intrigued.Very well. Lightling appears to win.
>>29765177nice b8 m8
>>29765213Can we contact mole and maybe put up a que of what to make?
>>29765117>make an anon donation of 100k credsDaean? Can you please read the 2 preceding threads?We've already been promised minerals for repelling the UGEI and setting up an alliance with the UFW. Those credits can be saved for better ship designs/weaponry designs from a smuggler.
>>29765213Well, lost the vote.But I guess we get metroid missiles now.
>>29765213any chance for a weekend run?
>>29765227That isn't bait. It pointing out a dumb idea.
>>29764990Nah, what I meant was Terrain Reformation offered your bunkers the MOST protection, as well as allowing you to put a whole lot more of them on planets (making bandwidth planets).The Bandwidth Block by itself would be a single bunker, or 100 or however many make sense for the planet in question for these blocks. They may be damaged via the nature of the planet's atmosphere, if not properly stored.Of course, if you use both technology, you can slowly bandwidthify a planet, no rush needed.
>>29765213I counted 7 for BW. Did you count >>29765025?
>>29765237Money's quite useless unless you spend it, and the intuition of some of the brightest human minds available to us sounds like quite the sound investment
>>29765213In that case I add my vote to Bandwidth.I'd still like clarification on these things though, since by their description we don't have anywhere to put them.
>>29765246either that, or domesticated Lighting attack critters who will go after ships we target?
>>29765196>>29765230I don't trust him. He's probably the faction that put the watchers into UGEI stations in the first place.>>29765213I don't understand what's been going on this thread at all.First, we give a bunch of ships to a 3-BW V.I. instead of splitting them evenly, or giving at least some to Kronos.Then, we make a new 20-BW V.I. to do research, instead of upgrading Kronos, or perhaps conserving some BW.Then, we use the 20 BW to research something that yields no immediate returns in terms of resources.
>>29765282Can we keep the Bandwidth Blocks in space, or attached to our stations?
>>29764990>Where would you put them without Terrain ReformationJust the surface.>Put our processors now into asteroidsBecause the machines you use now are too sensitive, and not designed for it. They're not even designed to provide you bandwidth, but you managed to jury rig it.Hm.. now that I think of it, I might provide an upgrade that increases ship provided bandwidth.
>>29765295We could just ask. We are like superman mixed with jesus to them.
>>29765227>Being a passive-aggressive little faggot when someone calls you out on your stupid idea
>>29765282And that's why I asked about it so many times, it seemed peculiar that we'd be unable to make a single bunker.Now that it's been cleared up, I'm very much in for making Bandwidth Blocks.(It still doesn't really explain why we can't use our old bandwidth generators, though)
>>29765332We have full access to their notes as is.We just need to give them the chance to put more interesting things in those notes.They could save us alot of time and research
People seem to forget that these space krakens are scary as hell to everyone.>>29765315He is supposedly a shadow broker in this universe and he only sold 1 station with a watcher which was us.
>>29765315didn't he tell us to go fuck ourselves?i doubt we'll see him again any time soon
>>29765315The first one is justified because he is the most loyal to us. And we should give more to Hades. Right about now Kronos would be able to take us if we had given those to him. And Deaen in blame him for everything shitty in this thread.
>>29765295Alternatively, we can fund our own research centers.Funding brigter minds in general that have no obligation to us is far too long a plan to be practical right now as we're scrambling for resources.>>29765319Ah, thankyou.
>>29765364However many credits we give, it'll be too slow unless we share more of our technological bounty with them.It's not a good investment at this point.
>>29765413Nah he basically warned us of the upcoming attack and people were preparing before the nat 1.He also said we were fools and would get our selves killed so he also at least has connections in the UGEI.
>>29765213Actually I count a tie between Lighling and Terrain.
>>29765364They're hardly going to just choose to start researching something we'd be interested in, our needs are quite specific. It'd be a better idea to hire people from the academy to research things that wouldn't give any clues as to our nature.
>>29765371>He is supposedly a shadow broker in this universe and he only sold 1 station with a watcher which was us.Yes, and what faction would stand to benefit from A.I.s? Maybe a shadow faction in a very advanced society that uses robotics heavily? Maybe the faction that sells stations with Watchers on them? Maybe a black-market operative that sneaks devices onto UGEI stations -- devices that are entirely unconnected and undetectable unless you look for them? The UGEI alignment might just be a misdirection.>>29765413I want to believe you're right.
>>29765371What I'm thinking robotic lightling, actually. Or cyborg one...we should do that.Guys.Guys.>cyborg lightlings guys
>>29765459I meant bandwidth box. Not terrain
>>29765463Program confirmed that he was the King pin of this universe underground, which means he is heavily connected everywhere.
>>29765471Amusing but impractical
>>29765471Let's research them first. I'm more in favor of Malorian growth serum option.
Honestly, I think BW box or Terrain should win, because they're to be used for the same thing. The majority wants to get an immediate return on blowing 20 BW, and to have a use for the minerals we're due for. Whether it's in space or on a planet, or protected or not is irrelevant. We need more BW.>>29765502He's in a great position to deploy Watcher units.
>>29765463You may not trust him, but we should at least be able to buy shit from him.
>>29765509Not really. We can replace the entire brain with cybernetics, if necessary. Control it like we would a ship.
>>29765019Not really, since it's mostly to do with humans. You can use humans as a relatively cheap (Credits don't mean a lot to you anymore) work force.>>29765041Indeed, unless you get unlucky.>>29765230Mol? Que of what exactly? He doesn't have much tech for you right now...mostly because you angered him a while back.Selfish prick that he is.>>29765286shit, I didn't see that... Bah.>>29765318They can be build with stations around them, sure. But they're pretty bulkyIt seems there was even MORE confusion that time...bah. I hate to do this, but I gotta make one more roll, to make sure vote changes and such count.>1 Lightling DNA>2 Bandwidth Blocks.Apologies everyone, I have a huge influx of folks that I wasn't expecting it seems.
>>29765490I did too. Can you clear this up Program, there is 7 for both BW and lightlings.
>>29765534>>2 Bandwidth Blocks.Page 10.
>>29765471Suuure.Later!Now we need to focus on still being able to control our emire and not be entirely incompetent at hacking (both of which are things we use BW for).
>>29765471The reason they're feared is because they'll drain all the energy from a ship in no time at all, if we research them then it should be with the goal to figure out how the fuck to do that shit.
>>29765534>2 Bandwidth Blocks.Why I want to research Lightling DNA I want to recoup our bandwidth more.
>>29765534>1Cyborg Lightlings, guys
>>29765534>2 Bandwidth Blocks.Thankyou for clearing this up. The players seems to be worst than usual today.
>>29765534>>2 Bandwidth Blocks.
>>29765534>He doesn't have much tech for you right nowSo he still has stuff to sell then?Would giving him the black box back after researching it and getting everything we need out of it calm him down?>>29765534>1 Lightling DNA
>>29765530Maybe later, way later.We've got much more important things to focus on.
>>29765534>2 Bandwidth Blocks.
>>297655342 BW Blocks.
>>29765530Because that worked GREAT on the Malorians.
>>29765594Worked on Rhea.
>>29765555Lovely! Not only can they drain energy, but store it biologically and convert it directly into muscle movement, which which it can find more energy
>>29765563No sustain, no service.>>29765571I blame SB.
>>29765534>2 Bandwidth Blocks
>>29765530What brain?We haven't identified such a thing in them.Right now we're focusing on learning how to communicate with them and tame them normally.>>29765525Turns out terrain doesn't actually help us gather BW, was a misunderstanding based on info on the 1d4chan page where Terrain Reformation was described as mandatory for building bunkers whatsoever.
>>29765527Yeeeaaah, no.Just like I wouldn't buy anything from the NSA.>>29765534>2 Bandwidth Blocks
>>29765602By top UGEI scientists. Which we don't have the plans for. Not to mention the massive differences between the brains. And lack of sentience.
>>29765534Alright that was much cleaner! Sorry about that, er again.Bandwidth Blocks it is.
>>29765620Well if we want to build them on planet's it's a must ,but we can start with a station.Which then will slowly grow into a Dyson's Sphere!
>>29765661Alright, it seems the thread is saging hard: How many people are here for a while longer? I might be able to squeeze out an extra hour or two, if you guys are game.
>>29765630So is buying shit from Mol still a possibility?>>29765653Oh cmon with out his tech we wouldn't have jumped so far ahead.>>29765661Did mole know about the watcher he gave Red?
>>29765630Good.>>29765653I'd buy computers from the NSA. What are they gonna do, crucify me in the afternoons?>>29765700Oh lovely, a fellow SBer who isn't a lazy bastard.
>>29765713Im totally game
>>29765713Here any chance for a weekend run?
>>29765713i'd follow you to the ends of the earth mah nigga
>>29765714>Buying stuff from MolMaybe if you say sorry really really nicely!Or give him something super high tech. He loves high tech things.>Did Mol knowWho knows! Maybe.But really, it's secret and that's a meta question anyway.
>>29765612>I blame SB.Did we seriosly get linked on spacebattles?I used to go there.
>>29765743What can we offer him?
>>29765741Won't be able to any other day besides today.
>>29765713>>29765743Sure, I'm up for some more game.And btw, fuck Mol, he's a prick
>>29765612I blame Deaen.
>>29765743We has a Rhea.And Thor missiles.>>29765763Admin is restarting SB server to alleviate lag. SBers will migrate to /tg/ or something.
>>29765743Now we've got a research VI of such power as well as an in at the academy to hire scientists we don't really need Mol.
>>29765743Can we offer the gas refinery schematics?(this should also test if he is closely entangled with the UGEI.)
>>29765743>Maybe if you say sorry really really nicely!What did we do to him?
>>29765713I'm game.>>29765743Question: Did we capture that cloaked ship? If so he might be interested in that.
>>29765713I'm game for a while longer, I think.
>>29765799Refuse to give him our captive AI in the black box.
>>29765713Alright so that's enough folks I'd say. Writing up another OP.
>>29765797but then the UGEI would learn we have them
>>29765824yeah, please link once done. Thanks!
>>29765799He offered to buy the black box from us and told us that the UGEI will becoming after our ass so keeping the box will get it destroyed eventually.We told him no, he said the thing will get destroyed before we could even crack it.
>>29765789You know, your shitty etiquette and lack of patience for other people REALLY makes me want to just...show up for every single one of these threads henceforth.
>>29765829Too late to worry about that, we already gave them to the UFW.
>>29765824you're the best
>>29765727Wait, what'd you mean by "SB"?Thought you referred to my name.>>29765743I still advocate selling him a fake A.I. box and claim that it was just an insane V.I. all along.He'll never be able to prove it wasn't true unless he already had one - which would be valuable information on its own as it implies he was buying it to get rid of it.
>>29765829They would learn eventually when all of the UFW starts making them.>>29765852Then can you please read the pastebin/wiki.
>>29765852oh no how would we go on without you
>>29765852Well, if you pull a nat one out of bag, you won't be staying long anyways.>>29765887SB is a sci-fi forum that has a Quest forum (BROB) and and a Fanfic section.It's quite nice, except for the lag.
>>29765855>Too late to worry about that, we already gave them to the UFW.Doesn't matter if they have they, they first have to be put into production, then found, then relayed back to command, and THEN bricks can be shat about it.Offering to sell it is bad, though. It makes us a target. Not just for the ugei but everyone else who might want one, and it IS a security breach until they find out the UFW has em.The best thing we could do with refineries is release a simpler, dumbed down, smaller but easier to manufacture mass production gas harvester/refinery, and go open source with it.Kick the entire reason for the UGEI being suck economically-motivated assholes right in the dick.
Let's jump ship>>29765945
>>29765852Maybe if you read the previous threads or even, just maaaaaaybe, used your brain, i wouldn't have a problem with you. I don't have a problem with anyone else, even system, which I disagree with constantly.
>>29765852Daean, I mean this in the most polite and respectful way possible, but we really did build all the tools to understand the game. You don't have to read all the threads, but if there is something you don't understand or someone says no because of in universe reasons, you'll have to go with the flow. This is a collective game, and decisions are made on a voting basis. I appreciate that you are trying to inject new ideas and are eagerly trying to contribute to the thread, but sometimes you have to defer to more experienced players until you understand the universe.
>>29765963Huh. I'd thought you'd use fluff as an example.
>>29765852Fluff I apologise for calling you names before, you're actually quite cool comparatively speaking.
>>29765891Nope. I'm showing up as much to irritate you as I am to enjoy the plot. And if my showing up doesn't irritate you, then I will be able to enjoy the plot even more since that will get you off my back. I win no matter what.>>29765993See, if I'm given a proper explanation when I ask for one instead of just tossed hours upon hours of reading material, I'll happily accept it. But telling me to go spend my weekend reading and calling me lazy when I refuse is not going to get anything remotely similar to a respectful response. So if I'm wrong, feel free to give me a calm explanation. But tell me to "just go read the other threads" is only going to have me disregard your statement entirely. I just don't care enough about this to spend all my free time on it.
>>29766018not fluff, bro.
>>29766079You missed the part about using your brain and listening to more experienced players. And not even attempting to defend your ideas, yet continously shout them over and over.
>>29766121He was apologizing to fluff, who used to be the worst, because you make him look like a saint.