> Monday, October 21st, 2013SITUATION: http://pastebin.com/Ac5gJdwqMECHANICS: http://pastebin.com/Se82xDLeCREW ROSTER: http://pastebin.com/qVD3DM17TANK ROSTER: http://pastebin.com/UCXDAajgTHE SHOP: http://pastebin.com/ZMy4Q2sqArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Girls%20Und%20Panzer:%20LGA%20Quest“Guh… godfuckingdamnthiscold…”“Now, Trudy, I just want you to rest, alright? I’ll try and come around for lunch and check on you.”“But Carooooo-““No buts.”“But-““I said no buts. Now get some rest. I’ll take care of everything for you today, hopefully you’ll be better by the end of the day okay?”“Oh… okay.”You are Carol “Kitten” Smith, Sophomore and Radio Operator of the M4A1E8 “Cupid” Sherman of Lafayette Girls Academy’s Tankery Team and best good friend of Sophomore Class President Gertrude Pool.You sigh. You quickly get a nice wet shower out of the way and then put on your school uniform. You decide to skip breakfast as usual, not like you need it anyway. Brushing your teeth as well can go fuck itself. Brushing your hair, as if. Washing your face, hah.Once that’s done, you receive a knock at your door. “Kitten, ready to go!”You say, “Yeah, I’m coming, Nancy.”“Wait!” shouts Gertrude as she rises like a zombie out of the bed. She sniffles a bit, her usually neat shoulder-length hair now messy and her blue eyes looking so tired. “Where’s my goodbye kiss?” she asks.> GOODBYE KISS?> Y/N> Other
>>30280651>YGive her a big one.Also, Kitten-hen, fuck yeah!
>>30280651>NJust to go against the tide.Also the Shop updates on Tuesday right?
>>30280651>Y
>>30280651> N
>>30280651> YWoooo, Kitten.
>>30280651We are playing Kitty now? ah yea! but..>Ngive hug, but kisses transmit the cold. so no passing on Nurgle's love now.
>>30280651> Y
>>30280651>NWe're not getting sick too.
Isn't it a little too early to samefag?I don't really like /u/ but Kittain will most likely just give her a peck on the cheek. what's the big deal and why are both side fighting for it,
>>30280651>NAnd get sick yourself? That would cut into precious WoT time!
>>30280651N
>>30280651>YGot to keep our patient's morale up!
>>30280813Both parties want something they like, nothing more.
>>30280757oh, and make sure poole has ALL of those unread tank books so she can finish them off and unlock those perks. RIGHT Schteel? i am looking at you Schteel, we want her to finish off those books of hers, save the big german one, that needs translation.
> YYou roll your eyes, then kneel down by the bed. “Bye,” you say as you gently kiss Trudy on the cheek. You stand up and quickly wipe your lips. “Get well for me, alright?”Trudy nods, smiling a little as she curls up back into bed. “See you,” she lazily says. You pack your things then head out the door.You open up the door and are immediately hit by a freight train of chilliness. You shiver a little as you see Trudy’s staff, Nancy, Lisa, and Ramirez, bundled up. Nancy has the trenchcoat Anna made for the Tankery Team, Lisa has her purple duffle coat, and Ramirez simply has a scarf.Eh, you better bundle up too. You hold up a finger signaling for a inute, then quickly grab the trenchcoat Anna made for your Tankery Uniform too.Finally, you’re ready for school.“Hi, Kitten. You doing alright?” asks Nancy.> Boast> Neutral> Polite
>>30280813Oral contact with someone suffering from a contagious sickness is not advised.
>>30280897>> Boast
>>30280897>> NeutralKitten never boasts
>>30280897> NeutralKittens gonna Kitten.
>>30280897> Neutral
>>30280897>> NeutralWe Kitten now.
> Neutral“I’m doing alright,” you say. “Trudy’s a bit under the weather, but hopefully she gets better.”Nancy smiles. “I’m glad!”Lisa says, “Right, let’s get rambling then.”You all head out of the dorms and onto the street. You groan a bit at the sun’s bright and shiny morning. Fuck you, sun. You like winter better when you have a justifiable excuse to stay the hell inside.Nancy and Lisa pick up some idle conversation, while you simply remain quiet.Maybe it’d be a good idea to talk to them. You actually don’t know much about them. Then again, you’re not particularly good at conversation without Trudy around.> Remain Quiet> Talk to Nancy and Lisa (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30281099> Remain QuietWe Kitten today.
>>30281099>Spend the whole walk to the school thinking about what to talk about, but never actually start a conversation
>>30281099> Talk to Someone (Ramirez)
>>30281099wait schteel, if kitty studys a tankery team, how does trudy get the command points? or do they all share it as a point pool?>>30281099> Talk to Nancy and Lisa, ask what Trude was up to with the clubs and see if we can pick up where she left off.
>>30281099> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Wow, Kitten can go and do these things now? Nice, nice.Real vote this time.> Other (Talk to Ramirez)Let's see who's the bigger conversationalist.
>>30281177Supporting this.
>>30281199Kitten and Trudy share a synaptic link
>>30281099>Study a team: SaundersI want to study a tankery team just to see what happens
>>30281099> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)SaundersI swear if we're spending an entire day just staying quiet or not being productive, I'll be very upset.Guys let's not waste a day, we need to study up on Saunders so we can prepare for the practice match.
>>30281099>Study Saunders
>>30281267I'll make in character votes thank you.
> Talk to Ramirez“So, Ramirez. Anything cool happen with you yesterday?”Ramirez shakes her head. “Nah.”…You blink. You didn’t think Ramirez was that bad of a conversationalist. You say, “So… watch any cool movies lately?”“Nope.”…“Read any good books?”“Nah.…You sigh. This isn’t going anywhere. Lisa says, “If you think you’re going to get more than two words out of Ramirez with those kinds of questions, you’re going to have a bad time.”With that, you arrive at the campus in good time.> Head to Class> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30281298We also promise Trudy to take up duties for her as well. That includes doing the stuff she normally does
>>30281303>> Talk to Someone (Ramirez)"If you ever had to push somebody out of a falling plane, which one of us would you choose?"And then ask why, if she answers.
>>30281303> Study a Tankery Team (Saunders)"Trudy told me they actually used a radio interception balloon and... oh wow, they really did."
>>30281303> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)SaundersI want to tap this out, before we meet them
>>30281340Okay, this please.
>>30281303>Study Saunders>>30281355....Why?
>>30281303>> Talk to Someone (Lisa + Nancy)Ask what Trudy normally does. Kitten spends her time in her dorm, how would she know exactly how Trudy manages things?
>>30281303> Study a Tankery Team Saunderswe'll get something done today.
>>30281376We spend most of our days with Kittain, she knows by watching.
>>30281340Please this
Try not to think about trudy's... Results.
> Study a Tankery Team (Saunders)> Talk to Someone (Ramirez)You’re not entirely sure how to actually study a team but you decide on taking good notes.> SAUNDERS HIGH SCHOOL ROSTER> M4 SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 200> M4 SHERMAN (105) (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A1(76)W HVSS SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A2 SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 100> M4A2(76)W HVSS SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A3(75) SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 100> M4A3 SHERMAN (105) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> M4A3E2 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> M4A3E2 SHERMAN (76) (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> M4A3E8 SHERMAN (76) (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A4 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 5> SHERMAN VC FIREFLY (ELITE) x 1> M4A6 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20You’ll email Trudy that sort of stuff later. It seems their tactics are pretty straight forward. There won’t be much else to learn from them soon.> + 5 CPYou look over at Ramirez. “Say, Ramirez. If you ever had to push somebody out of a falling plane, which one would you choose?”Ramirez says, “Myself.”You quirk your brow. “Why?”“So no one else dies.”… Well, at least you got more than two words.Regardless, it’s time to head to class. You say goodbye to Trudy’s staff then peace out for your first and only class of the day. Radio Operations.You enter in the classroom to see a huge smattering of Naval Studies Navigations and Communications kids along with a few General Studies kids in one of those stereotypical college style classrooms where the Professor is in a pit and ah you know how it is. You sit down next to your usual classmate, Loretta Niven. You both nod to each other.The Professor walks in, “Right. Let’s review the basics today.”> Listen Attentively> Goof Off> Other
>>30281548Ramirez...
>>30281548> Goof OffWe need our energies after school, take it easy until then.
>>30281548> Listen Attentively>>30281565Best character.
>>30281574Ramirez quest when?
>>30281548>Listen attentivelyWe need to work hard today to make up for Trude's absense
>>30281548DAMN IT RAMIREZ, THEY QUESTION WAS- oh wait, Kitten actually asked it the wrong way.Damn it Kitten, you should have seen this hole.>> Goof Off
>>30281548>Listen AttentivelyEh, why not
>>30281590After thread maybe.
>>30281548> Listen Attentively
>>30281548> Listen AttentivelyDon't think about "Shit's on fire, yo."Recall about it, burst into laughter.
>>30281548>> Listen Attentively
> Listen Attentively“… and that’s the principle of LowFER, or Low-Frequency Experimental Radio. Essentially, a radio transmitter of frequencies below 300 kilohertz.”As much as you wanted to listen attentively to this lecture, you actually pretty much couldn’t. Still, you took some comprehensible notes. Some.You’re about to question why you even take a lecture, but then you remember the reason. Trudy. Hm.The Alarm rings and then class is over. Looks like you get to back home.You exit the classroom and head on your way out the building. “Carol.” Huh? Nobody ever calls you by your first name these days. You look back and-OH NO. NO. NONONONO. NOT FAIRLESS. ANYBODY BUT THAT. NO YOU HAVE TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE- > RUN> WALK AWAY AS IF YOU’RE IN A HURRY> MAKE AN EXCUSE> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUND> OTHER. ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS?
>>30281773>> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUNDFairless' legs will not compromise our integrity.
>>30281773>> OTHER. ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS?SCREAM
>>30281773>> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUND
>>30281773>> OTHER. ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS?play dead she might get bored and leave
>>30281773>> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUNDDammit. Kitten
>>30281773> WALK AWAY AS IF YOU’RE IN A HURRYWell, at least it isn't Fredendal.
>>30281773> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUND
>>30281773>WALK AWAY AS IF YOU’RE IN A HURRY
>>30281773> FUCK IT, STAND YOUR GROUNDShe's probably just gonna ask why Trudy isn't with her. Fairless might need some help with Student Council stuff again.
> FUCK IT, COME AT ME, PUNKASS BITCH TITTY MONSTERYou turn around, grinning nervously, trying not to blush and oh god those tits oh god those legs those eyes no those eyes“Carol, nice to see you. Where’s Gertrude?”You cough, clearing your throat, trying to make eye contactnothat’s not working she’s too scary and too hot please why Fairless. “Uh… she- She’s out sick today so uh… um. Yeah.” Smooth criminal.Fairless nods, crossing her arms oh tits. “I see, that’s a shame. She doing alright then?”“W-Well…” make eye contact damn you, no that’s not going to work, she looks so fucking scary but she looks so fucking hot fuckfuckfuck. “Um… She’s doing alright. She’s resting at my place.”…Damn it.Fairless nods again, scratching her chin. “Ah, that’s nice to know, Carol. Hope she gets better.”End this, end this end this horrific sexual torment NOW. “Anyway! I gotta go back to my place. Check in on her.”“Actually, you mind if I come with you?” GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. “I gotta keep tabs on my fellow Student Council members.”> CAN SHE COME WITH YOUGODDAMNITFUCK> Y/N> Other
>>30282033> YI think I broke that button.
>>30282033>Y
>>30282033ah, oh no... damn it!>Ydamn Fairless! she is like a sexual black hole! when you get too close to her, she'll make you Fairless sexual aginst your will!
>>30282033> YSo like, Kitten's for sure bi. Okay.
>>30282033So Kitten captains the /u/ boat, eh? Anyway, evede tittymonster.
>>30282033>> Y
>>30282099>>30282102I think /tg/u/ influences this too much.
>>30282033> YWould it be lunch time by now?Won't this mean the Sewing Club will be there when Fairless arrives?On one hand, it'll be easier for the Sewing Club to plead their case to get their confiscated materials back.On the other hand, Anna would want to take Fairless' measurements. And we don't know how she'll react to that.
>>30282099Well maybe, some girls do look at other girls and admire or envy what they don't have.Doesn't necessary mean /u/ or bi but that is another interpretation
> Y MOTHERFUCKERYou nod slowly. “S-Sure, Fairless. You can come.”Fairless nods, rubbing her hands tits together. “Great. Let’s go then. Don’t worry about me skipping class or none, part of the perks of being a Senior Student Council Member is being able to skip class when you want.”You nod again, trying to smile and not look down at Fairless’ incredible legs at the same time. “That so?” you say.With that, the both of you leave the building and campus.As you walk back to the dorms, you paste your eyes forward and forward only. No looking at Fairless.… Okay, occasional glances at Fairless’ figure.… Maybe a peek at her tits.SNAPYou flinch as Fairless begins lighting a cigarette. She smokes? Huh. You don’t remember that about her. “So, Carol.” OH FUCK FUCK FUCK “Tell me about yourself.”NO NO NO THIS IS NOT GOING WELL. SWEET JESUS HAVE MERCY> Boast> Neutral> Polite> …
>>30282140The /u/ boats normally irritate the hell out of me. For that matter how they handled Eugene was kind of a low point of the Quest. But I think the slow buildup with Kitten and Trude has been handled fairly well so that it doesn't stand out as blatant pandering anymore.Only kind of pandering. Anyway it doesn't feel completely artificial, at least.
>>30282247I like tuhtuhls.
>>30282247>...
>>30282247> …Kitten Mode
>>30282247> Neutral"I'm not gay. You have amazing legs. And tits. I'm not gay."
>>30282247> Politeand tell her to put the cigarette out when we get to trude. she's sick enough already.
>>30282247> Boast>>30282251Their was a lot of rage when we finally saw a guy that was true. I still think it does kind of panders a bit mostly due to the fact, we try to bring kittain into almost everywhere we go. Sure, to do outside activities is fine since she's a shut in but bringing her to our room, almost every night is kind of obsessive.
>>30282247>Neutral
>>30282247>NeutralBeing silent is rude
>>30282247> …appropriate
>>30282247>NeutralSilence is rude
> Neutral“O-Oh… there ain’t much to say about me I suppose,” you say.“Oh? There isn’t?” says Fairless.“Well, I’m from D.C., same as Trudy,” you say quietly. “I uh… I suppose I play lots of videogames. I watch a lot of movies. About it.”Fairless nods, puffing out a bit of smoke. “I see. Nerd then.”OW MOTHERFUCKER THAT HURT. You nod. “Yeah, a bit of a nerd.”“No offense,” says Fairless. “I mean, I was a bit of a nerd in Middle School. I way into that Naruto and Bleach crap then I realized how stupid that was,” says Fairless again. “You find out lots about yourself when you can learn to look at yourself objectively. Facing the mirror, so to speak. That came around the time I learned I was bisexual.”YOOOOOOOO GOD NO. NO NONONONONONO. You shakily say, “Y-You’re bi?”Fairless shrugs. “Don’t really see a reason to keep it secret. Everyone’s bi to an extent you could say. But I suppose I lean towards girls.”AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH-You finally arrive back at your dorm. Fairless stomps out her cigarette and lets you open the door. You walk inside to see Trudy sprawled out on the floor, wearing nothing but a blouse and underwear. She doesn’t look good.> “Trudy!”> “What happened!?”> “Call an ambulance!”> Other
>>30282576>> “What happened!?”Didn't she tell us this before when Kitten was helping us?
>>30282576>> “Trudy!”>> “What happened!?”>> “Call an ambulance!”Panic. Kitten has been through a lot in the last minutes.
>>30282576i think our kitty is broken.> “Trudy!”OH SNAP!
>>30282576> “Trudy!”> “What happened!?”Tried to be all stubborn again, huh?
>>30282576> “Trudy!”
>>30282576>> “What happened!?”Get an status report before doing anythibng
> “What happened!?”You quickly slide down next to Trudy, bring her into your arms. “Trudy! What happened!? Speak to me!”Trudy slowly opens her eyes, smiling a little. She grabs your collar and brings you in closer. What’s she going to say? Then she whispers in your ear.“I just took the hugest dump ever.”…You say, “Get back in bed you fucking moron.”With that crisis averted, you tuck Trudy back into bed. She yawns a bit. Her face is no longer as pale as it was this morning and she actually seems quite chipper. “Bernadette. You came to visit?”Fairless nods. “That’s right. Just taking tabs on all my Student Council members, make sure nothing’s wrong.”Trudy nods, smiling. “Well, I’m feeling quite good, thanks Bernadette. Sorry, Kitten, for making you worry.”“Just don’t pull that shit again and we’re straight, Trudy,” you say as you roll your eyes and cross your arms.> Embark on a Subquest (Specify)> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30282251>For that matter how they handled Eugene was kind of a low point of the QuestEugene was a low point in general imo.
>>30282843> Embark on a Subquest (Old Glory)Only one I think Kitten can actually do. Unless you guys want her to plan her own birthday.
>>30282843> Talk to Fairless (Sewing Club)Brace yourself. They are coming.
>>30282843> Take care of TrudyAs if we'll neglect Trudy.
>>30282843> Talk to FairlessSmall talk. We don't get to interact with her often.
>>30282843god damn it trudy, don't scare the kitty like that. and finish those books!> Embark on a Subquest (old Glory)
>>30282843> Embark on a Subquest (Old Glory)
>>30282843>> Embark on a Subquest (Specify)Sewing ClubSee nothing happened.>>30282888We can do the Girl Scouts, or the Freshman, both of which kind of worked with Kittaen
>>30282876I think shipping in general was a low point in this quest.Didn't stop both /u/ boaters and people who want guys from trying some sides more then others in some quests. I really hope this neutral status does stay intact, lately i've been noticing that it's been waning.
> Embark on a Subquest (Old Glory)You decide to dial up Anna. “Hey, Anna.”“Hi, Kitten! What’s going on with you?”“Not much, just wondering if there was anything I could to help maybe with the Sewing Club, since Trudy’s out with a cold today.”“Oh, that’s terrible! Hm. I suppose we could hash out things. I’ll come by for lunch, you can come up with ways for us to raise money and maybe raise awareness of our club! I believe Ramirez is already distributing flyers so we’re already getting some orders in, but I think there’s more we can definitely do. What do you want to talk about when I come by?”> Money> Awareness> Fashion Show> Other
> Other"Did O'Hara return your stuff already?"
Rolled 87>>30283145> Awareness> Fashion ShowThey sort of go hand-in-hand
>>30282843>take care of trudyCome on guys she's our best friend who we love... In a completely platonic way
>>30283145>> Money
>>30283145> Fashion Show"I'm not going to be a model."
>>30283145>otherall three
>>30283174She did. >>30283195We have stuff to do. That is more important, she's stupid healthy, she'll be back tommorow, let's focus on what we can do.
>>30283203we use Fairless as the main model.
>>30283145>> Money>> Awareness>> Fashion ShowAnything is fine.
>>30283233I can get behind her...I mean that idea.
>>30283060I think Kitten and Trudy's relationship is one of the most important parts of the quest, and I don't really care where it goes as long as it remains as such. Honestly though, Eugene was so terribly written that I never really considered him (or that other random dude) a real option romantically.
>>30283222>She did.It was never brought up in thread when the Sewing Club was over at Kitten's.The last known instance was a guarantee from O'Hara during dress rehearsal that it'll be returned after a couple of days, .
> Fashion Show“Well, what’s this thing about a Fashion show?”“Weeeeeeeell… I don’t mean to brag but it’s definitely something that I think will help revitalize the Sewing Club’s flagging status if I do say so myself!”“Is that so?”“Yep! I’ll hash it out with you when I get there! Oh, while you’re there, tell Gertrude about it. Maybe like try and uh… brainstorm? Anything in particular you’d like to see, etcetera! Also, we’re borrowing the Scout Car, going to turn it into a delivery vehicle! Bye!”You hang up at that. Jeez. Anna’s nice, bless her heart, but you kind of wish she’d respect your personal space a bit better. You look over to see Fairless cooking some chicken noodle soup for Trudy…Wait what that’s your job damn it> Relax> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30283411> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)"Every wanted to be a model?"
>>30283411> Talk to Fairless (You can cook?)
>>30283411> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)Fashion Show? She have any ideas?
>>30283411>>30283454This!
>>30283411> Talk to Fairlesssee if she's up to being a unwillingvollenteer to be a model in the fashion show?
>>30283335>a real option romantically.Here's the thing, after the whole homecoming fiasco, I'm turned off by shipping in this quest entirely.Sure the relationship between Kittain and Trude is important but is it necessary to bring her on every single thing we do. I like to see more of our other crews or teams,Besides it's not a secret why people choose to do so. That what kind of irritates me. I kind of want to keep this neutral but it has gotten a little shaky lately though.With that said, I loved the ending of the play and what Trude said to her.
>>30283411>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)>SaundersReview over it with Trude
>>30283411> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)>Fashion show: Have I got someone you should meet!
> Talk to FairlessYou look over Fairless’ shoulder as she cooks, trying not to make eye contact with her generous assets. “Uh… Fairless.” She turns to you oh shit nonononono.“Yes?”Boy, Fairless is really doing everything in her power to make you feel inadequate as a woman. You say, “Um… ever try modeling?”Fairless taps her chin, pensive. “Ah, good question. I did get some modeling contracts a few weeks after my birthday-“ are you fucking serious “- even got invited to be on that shittyass Tyra Banks show, the one where she yells at you for wanting to be better than her. I turned them down though, modeling kind of eh… Admittedly, I have a bit of stage fright when it comes to modeling.”You blink. “Oh?”“Yeah. Something about having to get up and be photographed and be watched by all kinds of different people.” She shudders. “I couldn’t do that.”You shrug. “Neither could I.”Fairless nods, pouring the completed soup into a bowl. “That’s something we have in common then, Carol.” She takes the bowl and presents it to Trudy, who takes it and says thank you. “Enjoy.”Trudy smiles, “Thanks, Bernadette. You didn’t have to you know.”“Oh, don’t mention it,” says Fairless.> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30283335>Honestly though, Eugene was so terribly written that I never really considered him (or that other random dude) a real option romantically.The immediate reaction to Eugene was roughly split between "finally, a guy!" and "OMG kill it with fire!" After his introduction the /u/ boats set up a wolf pack to bitch out the very idea of Trude being attracted to a boy. The infighting got so bad that he was swiftly bundled off with Ace to end the problem.There wasn't much of a chance to evaluate the idea of a romantic partner, because a large portion of the fanbase exploded at his very presence. Which was ridiculous and over the top even for /u/ (well no not really for /u/) regardless of the merits or lack thereof in pursuing a romantic subplot. I certainly wasn't ready to do so, given the much better argument that the differing schools would make it difficult, but seriously it was like people were just allergic to the very idea that Trude wasn't gay.But as it is, anyway, Schteel has blatantly and clearly decided to ship Kitten and Trude as the course of least resistance.
>>30283673> Take care of Trudy
>>30283477I understand why you feel that way, but you can't force things on others. Some people like the idea of seeing Trude and Kitten together, and mostly just stayed neutral to avoid shitstorms - given how the quest has gone since those days, it's hardly strange they'd feel emboldened and less worried about that now.
>>30283673> Talk to Fairless > Talk to Trudywe need models for the fashion show, any ideas?
>>30283673> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Saunders)>>30283693I'm still hoping he/she will still keep his/her promise of neutrality. But yeah, the whole guy thing got shot down faster before it even began whether or not it will turn out something, I don't know/But yeah, I honestly fucking hate shipping for this quest.
>>30283717So what you're suggesting is that our (my, his, etc) opinions are less valuable than your opinions, because some other people want something else?How is their opinion - or yours, any more valid than ours?Stop trying to hide your fucking bullshit behind a veneer of "politeness," you cunt.
>>30283717Because their is less resistance that their coming up again.Since then the thread is relatively has only a few users besides the occasion increase of either samefags and when we actually have a tank battle. It is an opportunity to take advantage of. Can't we just have a quest where a female MC, be just friends with her childhood friend and not turn it into some sort of shipping thing.
>>30283693No, here's where he was terrible in 3 easy bullet-points!* His character archetype is as generic and stereotypical as, well, many of the main cast, but more disliked for it than most - personally I cannot stand the 'bully-victim becomes perfect, handsome, smart, kind teen once grown up' type of character. He showed very little depth, and maybe he had some that we didn't get to see, but a bad first impression is hard to shake. * This is the big one - taking away players' control of the character by making Trude a bumbling fool around him. Absolutely terrible idea. I'm somewhat annoyed by it for Fairless earlier on the page too, but at least Kitten's mostly non-played controlled.* Following the latter point, dropping that kind of character into a quest when people feel like they have a handle on the characters and are getting into the flow of things, only to have every scene with him suddenly be a 180 from what they're used to characterization-wise from Trude (and to a certain degree, Kitten).I'm sure when reintroduced he'll be done better, but honestly he lost me. And Ramirez's boyfriend is ten times the character.
>>30283673Yeah, this >>30283738 if we want to make some progress on the Sewing Club front."No Trudy, I'm not gonna model for Anna."
>>30283822>>30283841>>30283850Can we end this stupid discussion now before it turns into another thread long shitstorm maybe?
>>30283850We only saw him once. Ramieriez boyfriend that is>I'm somewhat annoyed by it for Fairless earlier on the page too, but at least Kitten's mostly non-played controlled.I'm kind annoyed at this too.
>>30283822Uh, no? How'd you read that out of my post? You're not doing yourself any favors here with that kind of reaction.
> Take care of TrudyYou place your hand on Trudy’s forehead. “Hm, well your fever’s gone down it seems,” you say.Trudy smiles. “Does that mean-““No, stay in bed,” you say. Trudy scoffs a bit at that then proceeds to eat her chicken noodle soup. Damn it. Why didn’t you think of that.Fairless says, “Anything else you need, Gertrude?”Trudy says, “Oh, I don’t mean to be a burden, Fairless. Don’t you have classes?”“Nah, it’s fine, it’s fine.” Fairless places her hands on her hips. “Really. It’s fine. I have Fredendall for most of my classes. This is a very good excuse to skip.”Trudy rolls her eyes. “Fine, can I get a glass of water then?”Fairless nods. “Sure.” She looks over at you. “Carol?”Hm? Oh, oh! This is your chance. You run over to the kitchen then pour a glass of water out of the tap for Trudy. You hand it to her, and she smiles warmly at you. Yes! “Thanks, Kitten!”The door bursts open. “The Sewing Club has arrived!” Anna, Mamie, and Bess walk in. “Hi, Gertruuuuuuuu…” The three of them are stopped by Fairless’ icy but neutral stare. They giggle nervously then kneel down besides Trudy. “Who’s that?” asks Anna.Trudy says, “That’s Bernadette Fairless. The Senior Vice President.”Anna stands up, smiling nervously. “Well, it’s nice to meet you, Fairless!”Fairless nods. “Nice to meet you too.”> Talk to Anna (Topic?)> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30283993Talk about the fashion show. We need models. Anyone, any ideas?
>>30283871Just popping into the conversation here.I don't really see the problem if people want to vent. Good points are being brought up concerning story telling and player grievances. Personally, I really like the /u/-tones, I'd prefer they were kept around, honestly ramped up some even. I don't feel passionate about it though to step on other people's toes, this isn't a fucking VN.The discussion isn't obtrusive and it isn't fueling some hateful shit-flinging. What's the problem talking about it between posts?>>30283993> Talk to Anna (Topic?)> Talk to Fairless (Topic?)> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)Get down to business. Who expects what from the fashion show?
>>30283993> Talk to Anna (Topic?)Fashion Show, Money>>30283904Not that anon, but he did make one single point. Our opinion for neutrality is kind of being ignored
>>30283993> Talk to Anna> Talk to Fairless> Talk to Trudywe need models for this fashion show. need names and quick before we gang press Fairless into it. gang press her anyway just don't let her know before hand
>>30283993> Talk to Anna> Talk to TrudyFashion show related stuff.> Talk to FairlessWe are cleared for this right? Already got the OK from Otto.
>>30283993Let's see if we can conscript models from the Tankery Team. A fashion would advertise for both!>>30284053That's the nature of being neutral, huh? The stronger opinions are heard louder.
>>30284039I don't mind the /u/-tones too much, I can tolerate and accept it, it's a girls school after all but there's a difference between tones and just stuff being waved in front of your face. Not sure if its German trying to be funny, or throwing the /u/-boats a bone, but some scenes are a little annoying.
>>30284039The problem is that /tg/ is incapable of having a reasonable discussion for any amount of time on the subject.>>30284117I'm fairly certain German just enjoys /u/ related stuff so it just shows up in his writing. I don't mind either way.
>>30284103More like the louder ones are just loud. German said their is no shipping and Trude's sexuality is to be ambiguous but again it's waning.
>>30284053>Not that anon, but he did make one single point. Our opinion for neutrality is kind of being ignoredHow are you being ignored, exactly? People talk about, and vote for, what they want. GS presumably writes what gets voted for, what he feels has the most support, and/or whatever he wants to. What kind of acknowledgement are you looking for?
>>30284103>A fashion would advertise for both!Grab at least one from the Girl Scouts, Aviators and Freshmen band each so that their group will get some more awareness raised.
>>30284171I get that and understand that but this is getting kind of ridiculous. If he wants to do it, keep it subtle or funny.Hero Quest Rena does that really well. This does neither.
>>30284117I think that's entirely fair. I feel differently but can sympathize. It really sucks when one element drags down something you like.>>30284171I think we're doing a pretty good job. But I'll concede if I'm just fanning an ember so to speak.
>>30284117Oh boohoo, there are plenty of threads without this sort of stuff, go play Bpq instead.Seriously nobody else gives a fuck.
>>30284199To keep his promise of keeping things ambiguous.Also German didn't make a vote, and if he did it will be a samefag war.
>>30284224German writes how he wants to write. There's really not much you can change about that.
>>30284224You do realize there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way to do it, right? You may prefer the subtle/funny way a la Rena, but that's just subjective. Just as valid an opinion as anyone else's, but not some objectively superior way of doing quests like your post makes it seem. Personally I'd prefer Trude and Kitten getting together, though I still like HQR's way of doing things, just not as much, and of course that's just my opinion, not something I'd demand GS do or look down on him for avoiding.
>>30284254He wrote Eugine, and people complained.That changed a few things
> TALK TO EVERYONEYou say, “Say, Anna. So, won’t you need models for the Fashion Show?”Anna nods. “Oh yes of course! I considered drafting my girls, Mamie and Bess here but neither of them particularly wanted to do it.”Mamie says, “It’s best left to someone who can actually do it.”“Precisely,” says Anna. “I’d prefer experience, beauty yes definitely and…” she starts looking over at Fairless. “Uh, Fairless, have you considered-““Yes,” says Fairless. “And I’m going to say no.”Anna, Mamie, and Bess deflate a bit from fear. “Okay,” says Anna.Trudy says, “Actually, Fairless. I can definitely see you being a model. You’ve got the body for it.”Fairless crosses her arms. “I suppose I do, that doesn’t mean I want to,” she says.“Well, I suppose I could see if I could draft some of the other girls in Tankery,” says Anna. “With your permission, Gertrude?”Trudy nods. “Go ahead, Anna. Speaking of which, have you gotten all your stuff back?”Anna nods, smiling. “O’Hara returned it all this morning. Unfortunately, we’ve been keeping it in the Tankery HQ and there isn’t a whole lot of space.”“Alright,” says Trudy. “I suppose it won’t be long.”There’s another knock at the door. You go to answer it and see Cathy and the Freshmen, instruments and everything. “Kitten!” Cathy greets you. “How are you doing?”> Boast> Neutral> Polite> …
>>30284291He changed things to stop the constant flame wars and to stop the player base from splitting into fractions. So can we stop this stupid discussion now?
>>30284253Well GS will run the quest the way he wants to I guess. What was his exact promise anyway, got a link?
>>30284317> Polite
>>30284317> PoliteWe can probably do polite.
>>30284252BPQ? >>30284286True, but some reactions are being supported in which back in homecoming were torn apart to bits.Its of MUSCLES, HIS LOOKS, which garnered hate.We now get HER TITS, HER LEGS, and people support this.
>>30284317> Neutral"Good. Everything considered."
>>30284317I am glad that we spent extra for the warehouse. Its being used for everything these days.> Polite
>>30284317> NeutralI hope they don't plan on coming in here. It's getting pretty cramped.
>>30284317> PoliteWhat a pleasant surprise.
>>30284323How is the situation any different. >>30284325It was during the first threads and even in game during the whole homecoming fiasco where Trude said 'unnecessary' romances.Even Bare Assed Ferdinand said i.
>>30284352Well I wasn't very impressed by it here either to be honest, but Eugene popped up out of nowhere and was literally the perfect guy, which rubbed me totally the wrong way. Fairless in comparison is an established character. Also, players should naturally have more say in Trude's reactions than Kitten's.
>>30284317> Neutral
>>30284397>It was during the first threads and even in game during the whole homecoming fiasco where Trude said 'unnecessary' romances.That's a bit vague, was it a promise or a statement, was it meant 'for ever and ever' or for the foreseeable future, etc. Anyway, if GS decides to stick to it then that's that, and if he decides it's not necessary any more then that's his right too.
>>30284397Look throwing a shitfit about how German likes to write is only going to make this quest an unpleasant place to be and ruin the experience for everyone so can we just drop it already.
>>30284404When Trude first saw Fairlass it was a similar reaction, just not in caps. Kitten's reaction is the same as was Eugine's.We get it she's hot.>>30284439In the first, it said that he'll make it ambigious. GS through the characters said, we don't have time for romance, we have a school to save. I just want to focus on tanks, and saving the school but some of these slice of life thing is getting pretty ridiculous
> Polite“I’m doing well, Cathy,” you say. “You?”Cathy says, “We all heard Gertrude was sick, so we came by to visit.”“Don’t you have school?”Tara says, “We took vacation days.” They all politely invite themselves in, scooting into the room but avoiding Fairless like a pool of fish around a shark.“Hey, girls,” says Trudy. “What are you doing here?”“We came by to visit, heard you were sick,” says Cathy. She pulls out a camera along with her guitar. “We also brought this! Film Club let us have it.”“Cool beans.”Andrea says, “Apparently it films in 1080p HD. Don’t know what it means but apparently it’s very good.”You nod at that. You’re about to shut the door when you’re stopped by.“Good afternoon!” says Janek and the rest of the Polish Student Association and Olgierd. “Mind if we cut in?” They immediately scoot in past you. “Hi, Gertrude! We heard you were sick as a dog!”… Oh boy. This is not going to be a fun day.> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
I really do wish you people would shut the fuck up.also>>30284533>Take care of Trudy
>>30284533>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)SaundersWe;re almost done
>>30284533>Calculate just how so many people can fit into this place.
>>30284533> OtherPET OLGIERD
>>30284533> Pet the dog
>>30284545It's Sunday, in my experience that brings out the worst in people in these quests, >>30284533>Study Saunders
>>30284533> Take care of TrudyMaybe we should encourage Fairless to sit with Trudy. You know, so her Field of Repulsion is lessened somewhat and more people can fit in the dorms.
>>30284533>OtherPet Olgierd
>>30284533> Pet OlgierdI like dogs too much.
>>30284522>When Trude first saw Fairlass it was a similar reaction, just not in caps.I just foolz searched 'Fairless' and couldn't find anything, do you have a source for this? First scene with her in I see is with the student council (which meshes with my memory), where Trude interacts perfectly normally with her. The only remotely notable thing is the next time they meet Trude makes note that her breasts are way better than her own, which isn't remotely comparable to the stuttering messes that Eugene/Kitten with Fairless here have been.
>>30284533>PUPPY!> Take care of Trudymake sure she isn't straining her self......wait.the animation and pole team here? gang press them them into the fashion show as models!
>>30284665Oops, must have accidentally deleted my line-break. Eh, you can see what parts are mine.>>30284533>> Study a Tankery Team (Saunders)
>>30284352This is different, kitten clearly isn't goung to end up with fairless.
>>30284665It was more of the staring thing really but that didn't bother me. It was more like the scenes that involved her after kind of irked me. But yeah, you gave me the realization the the Eugune/Kittaen reactions is fueling my ire
Are we getting the money from the animation today?
>>30284748How is it any different? reactions are the same and we already knew Trude or Kittain won't end up with Eugine since we're busy saving the school
> Pet OlgierdYou bend down and pet Olgierd on the head. He pants happily at that. Doggy doggy. Hehehehe. He’s a real cutie pie. You scratch behind his ear, and his foot starts thumping OH THAT’S SO-“Hello hello!” says Marina and the rest of the Aviation Studies Club as they walk in. “We just came by to visit, see if Gertrude was feeling well!”Oh for gods sake.You say, “It’s nice to see you, Marina.”Marina smiles. “Ain’t it? We brought some coughdrops and my mom’s own recipe for curing colds.” She hands you a paper which simply reads, “Man the fuck up.” You look at Marina, who simply says, “My mom was a bit of a hardass.”“Clearly.”Trudy says, “It’s nice of you all to come and visit! But really, I’m doing fine!”“Oh nonsense!” says Janek. “We’ll have you better in a jiffy. Now does anyone actually know how to cure a cold?” Everyone shrugs a bit. “Darn.”The door opens again. Oh come on! “Rifle Team reporting for duty!” yells Samantha as she and her crew walk inside, scooting past most of the crews and towards Trudy on the bed. “We brought cupcakes!”Trudy beams. “Oh really! I don’t-“Natalya says, “They’re gun cupcakes. That one’s a Colt .45, that one’s a Walther PPK, that one’s a Colt Navy. And the big one is a .600 Pfeifer Zeliska Nitro Express.”Trudy nods, a bit daunted. “That looks like an actual cake, Natalya.”> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30284826>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Saunders> Talk to Someone (Specify)Any Volunteers to help sewing team?
>>30284826> Take care of TrudyThis is getting overwhelming, guys. Think of Trudy!> Talk to Someone (Marina)Tell them they're back in the T-34 cause why not.
>>30284808Well, I don't think all anons were confident there wasn't going to be anything between Trude and Eugene given the shit-storms. I'd have to agree, Kitten and Fairless has zero chance so even if their interactions/Fairless' character annoys you (it did me a bit) at least you can be sure it'll never lead to anything. People who hated Eugene for the same stuff had a very real worry that he'd become a notable character and his interaction with Trude/Kitten would continue.
>>30284826> Talk to SomeoneAsk them if anybody wants to volunteer for the Sewing Club's Fashion Show>Make Room for more people
>>30284826>Realize everyone is going to show up>Lock and barricade the door.
>>30284877>>30284894>Study Saunders but supporting the talking subjects
>>30284826> Take care of Trudy
>>30284826> Take care of TrudyBy kicking everyone out and only allowing people in on a rotational basis so as to not overload Trude.
>>30284937Fuuck, we could order food and set up an impromptu party in front of the dorms or something.
>>30284973And then get rolled by the hall monitors for disturbing the peace?Good plan!
>>30284826> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone EVRYONE!yell/roar so the kitty can be heard! tell them "Trudy has worked her self so hard for so long to help all of you and your clubs, she has gotten sick from it! she still has the jobs to help a number of your clubs yet, AND we are to face off with Saunders soon. So we need to work together and show the grattiude for trudy now for what she is doing by helping her help you!" group brain storm time!
>>30284908You raise a good point but it's a all girls school, how would Eugine be a continuing character. I understand the concern and I even supported Eugine for half a thread before seeing the shitstorm happen and deciding that neutral is better.Though killing a character before he even appeared disturbed me. Kittain and Trude interaction is fine but do we have to focus on that on almost every single thread, on the off chance we'll pull a flag.I liked yesterday's thread since it was all business, we focused on helping out crews and did some tank work. That's what I loved about this quest. Relationship aspects are the lag of this.
>>30284826>>30284877>This please.Everyone is here to help Trude
> Talk to Everyone You yell, “Hey!”Everyone turns to you.…Okay. You didn’t exactly plan this as well as you’d hoped. You giggle a little, nervous reaction after all. “Um, just wondering if maybe someone wanted to uh… Just talk to Anna.”Anna nods. “Yeah! I need models!”“Models of planes?” asks Lidya.“No! Models! Fashion models.”Everyone balks, stating half-baked excuses and the like, more outright refusing. Well, that could’ve gone better. In the meantime, the Aces have arrived. You’ve pretty much given up on answering the door. They scoot through, and Kate says, “We brought lunch!”Trudy says, “Oooh! Thanks!” She takes the bag and pulls out a huge whopping burger from Five Guys.“At this rate!” says Bess. “I’m no engineer, but I think the dorms are going to collapse in on themselves!”> Take care of Trudy> Try to handle all of the Crews> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30285037I don't want to be that guy, but I think interpersonal relationships are what makes this quest great.It's the potential for romantic relationships, and perceived romantic relationships and having that dominating all the screen time that take away a lot from the quest
>>30285110> Try to handle all of the CrewsI am Kitten.Hear me ROAR
>>30285037>I liked yesterday's thread since it was all business, we focused on helping out crews and did some tank work.>That's what I loved about this quest. Relationship aspects are the lag of this.Well, some people feel the opposite. I don't particluarly want Trude and Kitten to get together (though I wouldn't mind either), but I find the character interactions more entertaining than the tank-talk - the actual battles are fun, but everything in between bores me to tears. Admittedly some times the character interaction gets a bit stale or boring even for me, like when we're just doing customary/obligatory check-ins with [grou] without real purpose, but I still love Trude and Kitten's interactions, and the main team is getting more fleshed out and entertaining. I'd say GS has done a pretty good job balancing things so far, myself.
>>30285110> Try to handle all of the Crews
>>30285110> Try to handle all of the CrewsAsk Anna for halp, and Fairless if Kitten can manage to.
>>30285110> Talk to Someone (Specify)Ask them to help the sewing club?>>30285117Yes, if done well. Kitten's scene during the play was done very well. Romance is a quest killer depending on how is it handled.
>>30285117>It's the potential for romantic relationships, and perceived romantic relationships and having that dominating all the screen time that take away a lot from the quest.I don't really see that, certainly it can dominate the talk between anons, but I never really feel like Kitten and Trude's interactions - platonic or romantic or whatever - dominate GS's posting at all. Maybe for shorter segments of a thread I guess, but then so does a lot of other things like tankery/subquests.
>>30285110> Try to handle all of the CrewsTake charge! It's for your best good friend's sake!
>>30285156>>30285156Sorry, I guess I was misunderstood I meant 'romantic' relationship, or precieved ones is the lag of it. I like the Loyalty quests since we see our crews, and help them.I like the tank just to see the models and how well we do. i
>>30285110> Try to handle all of the CrewsMarina lives right next door doesn't she? Maybe have her Aviators and Samantha's Rifle Club members get together there to discuss armaments for the planes.Visit in shifts/intervals, girls!
>>30285110> Talk to Someone (Fairless)Aw come on! You know you want to!
>>30285284Ah, I see.Well, personally I wouldn't mind Kitten and Trude staying just friends, but I would definitely mind less interaction between the two of them, and I quite like the way GS writes them at the moment, so...I guess we just want different things from the quest.
>>30285349Trudy and Kitten's relation ship as it is now is pretty great.
>>30285349I wouldn't mind them staying as friends either, I'm not saying to separate them.I just want to see more of our crews, and the student council.Also strangely enough naval merchants. we must break their genericness
>>30285284While I don't begrudge anyone this opinion, personally I'd love to see Trude and Kitten get together. If it goes that way, yay, if not, oh well.
> Try to handle all of the Crews“Guys, everyone, we can’t all fit in my dorm!” you shout over the chatter and talk.“Hi everyone, just came to visit Gertrude!” says Francis Dales and the rest of the Naval Studies Merchant crew.“Dales!” you shout. “There’s too many people in here!”“Nothing doing!” yells Dales as she and the rest of the Naval Studies Merchant crew squeeze their way through and right up to you. You’re now shoulder to shoulder to people and Dales tits are practically in your face. “See! If anybody can make something fit, it’s Naval Studies Merchant!” says Dales.You say, “I wasn’t-““Do a good turn daily, the Girl Scouts are here!” yells Juliette. “Gordon brought some venison!”This is not going well.You look over to see Keegan getting crushed in between Luciano and Lansky. Wait. How the fuck did they get in here?”Luciano says, “We came in through the window.”Keegan says, “It wasn’t fun!”You say, “Guys! Damn it! We can’t all fit into my dorm! Everyone has to get out!”…“I’m stuck,” says Michelle. Everyone agrees. You’d slap your forehead if you could move it. “Could someone call Naval Studies Rescue?”……After a spell, Naval Studies Rescue arrives and manages to get everyone unstuck out of your dorm. The Naval Studies Rescue girl tells you, “Next time, understand the limits of your dorm.”You nod. “Thanks.”Everyone talks and chatters outside, they’re at least glad to not be stuck in your dorm anymore. The Freshmen are first in getting to visit Gertrude since they arrived first.> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30285430Well, the thing is there are a LOT of character between the crews and the council, and while I like a lot of things about how GS does this quest, I have not been impressed with their ability to make characters interesting or appealing without a lot of pagetime. Honestly other than a small handful, I basically view all of them as either a thin collection of general traits without much depth, or 'who?' I'd rather he focused on developing a smaller number of them (the non-Kitten members of the main group are getting better, but still a little thin).
>>30285460>> Talk to Someone (Specify)Convince them to help sewing club/
>>30285513That really just a problem with the entire franchise. In the anime most of the crews only had one character trait between them.
>>30285513By handful do you mean a few or just Kittain.Their are several character that stood out.
>>30285205I'd classify the scene during the play as an interpersonal one, and not romantic: we got her to come out of her shell and she thanked us.>>30285214No, I agree. But I find that Trude/Kitten's interactions do dominate the choices that the playerbase gives schteel. All because one group want the "romantic" option.I'd rather focus on Trudes other non-romantic relationships. Why not spend a day with the Aces hanging out? Why not crash at Nancy's and play B-ball on the Xbox and make dinner? tl;dr Why spend so much time with Kitten when we have hundreds of other characters who are also well written we can give screen time too
>>30285460> Talk to a Crew (Aviators and Rifle Club)Rifles could totally hook Aviators up with some nice armaments for their unarmed planes.Don't need to keep relying on Perrine or Principal Tennyson, and it'd build team solidarity.
>>30285589Sorry, I was misunderstood again, I love the interpersonel ones that's why I mention it, just the the precieved romantic option.Also I'm also agreeing with what you said>>30285460>Convince everyone to help the sewing club
>>30285623We already asked Perrine for armaments
>>30285574Well still, even if they're paper-thin caricatures, characters like Fairless or Perrine for example can still be entertaining because they're such strong personalities, and make themselves noticed through that, as well as getting decent page-time. Bolter or Luciano would be somewhere in-between, seemingly have some depth while still being fairly assertive, but not as much so as the first two because they don't get a lot of time in the spotlight - I'd like to see more of them. Octavia is pretty good and probably what I'd imagine those two could be given more attention. But the regular crews...don't really have much going for them. The only ones I can even remember are Anna and Marina.
>>30285651Nah, we hit up Perrine for engines.
>>30285651Oh. I thought it would mostly be engine parts.
>>30285627Oh terribly sorry. My apologies. Continue on your way, kind anon.>>30285460>Talk to someone (Fairless)She's the only one who's not a Tankery gal. Ask her what she thinks of Tankery and whether she'd like to help Trudy in any way.
>>30285669I've found that it's turned out just like the anime with only the Student council crew and the Ace crew getting any characterization. Except in the quest the MC is student council instead of an ace.
>>30285577Kitten, Octavia are the 'best' ones I think. Many others make themselves noticed and are interesting to interact with, like the rest of the main team (when Ramirez is speaking more than two words at least) or the rest of the elite team, and several of the other Tankery leaders we've met have been pretty good. But the crews in general are pretty boring to me.
>>30285682>>30285693We asked for extra parts of anything they can spare as well as armaments. >>30285724True, but some of them I think we can flesh out. The Loyalty Quests are a good way of doing it, in my opinion
>>30285460>> Talk to Someone (Fairless)I'm really glad that GS (re)confirmed that Trude will stay single. Homecoming was a nice change of pace, but it did cause a bit more of a shitstorm than it warranted in my opinion.
>>30285460>Convince the new arrivals for modeling positions. Ask Anna for some sort of consentives.
> Talk to a Crew (All of them)“Say, everyone.” All of them turn to you, surprised that you even speak. Goddamn it. You sigh, “Um. Why don’t we all help the Sewing Club?”Luciano says, “I ain’t no fucking model.”Anna says, “You don’t have to be a model, just help us in any way you can! Advertisement, donations, all that stuff! Really, we could use the help.”Janek says, “Well I suppose we could help. If anything, we’re all Tankery girls here. We should support each other!”Megan Enfield asks, “Does Kevlar count as fashion?”“No,” says Mamie.Anna snaps her finger. “It can be! Really, throw some ideas at me!”All the crews start juggling ideas between themselves. Kate says, “Panzer IV.”Anna glances sideways for a second, confused, then says, “I suppose that might work.”“Pancor Jackhammer!” yells Samantha.“No idea what that is,” says Anna.“XP-56 Black Bullet!” yells Jenny.You roll your eyes. You suppose that’s as good as its going to get. The Girl Scouts are next to visit Trudy.> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30285724I have found Nancy and Wendy to be best girls
>>30285804>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Saunders> Talk to Someone (SpecifyAviation Club, maybe ask about the parts?
>>30285781The thing is if you flesh out every single character there is going to be too much character bloat. There are already about 100 different characters just at the moment. It easier and more effective to just flesh out each commander and just give their crew a hat.
>>30285804> Take care of TrudyDid Gertrude ever mention a camping trip while Kitten was around?They might be discussing that.And Kitten will probably catch the tail end of the discussion long enough to get roped into it.
>>30285804> Take care of TrudyScouts can be overbearing.
>>30285866That's fine too, I suppose. I do want to see more of the crew I realize the problem with fleshing out everyone so, Commanders are fine barring a few exceptions (Aces) >>30285847>>30285804This please
> Take care of TrudyYou walk inside, relieved to be away from YOOOO IS THAT FUCKING GIRL CARVING UP FISH IN YOUR DORM THAT’S GOING TO GET EVERYWHEREJuliette and Trudy look up at you as one of the Girl Scouts, Gordon you believe it to be, skins a Tuna on your floor. You fume a bit at that. “Hey!” you say. “You can’t just come in here and skin fish on my floor!”Gordon blinks, wiping her knife. “Oh? I’m sorry, didn’t know.”Juliette nods. “Yeah, well, next time. Bring a table or something, Gordon.”You look at Trudy. This is too much. “Trudy, are you doing alright?”Trudy nods, eating her Five Guys burger. “Yep. Me and Juliette were just hashing out things for camping. How’s a trip to a hot springs sound, Kitten?”“Anything would be preferable to today, believe me.”“Cool! Cause that means I get to see you in a bathing suit again!”“On second thought, anything but THAT would be preferable.”> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30286024>Study SaundersWe're almost done with them....Did we learn anything about them?
>>30286024>Take Care of Trudy>Clean Dorm
>>30286042They have a lot of Shermans and they go pew pew.That's about what Trudy could articulate.
>>30286042they have lot of shermans
>>30286024>Study SaundersCan Kitten read any books and gain perks?
>>30286024I'm beginning to suspect that Gordon "procures" her prey from the unsuspecting Naval Studies Agriculture girls.This >>30286053>Take Care of Trudy>Clean Dorm>>30286042They did pull off a Bootlegger's turn during their match with Christie. Dunno if we're gonna learn any other Tac Maneuvers. No, wire tapping doesn't count.Only other thing I can think of is chewing bubblegum while shooting, I guess.
>>30286024>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)>Saunders
> Study a Tankery Team (Saunders)> SAUNDERS HIGH SCHOOL ROSTER> M4 SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 200> M4 SHERMAN (105) (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A1(76)W HVSS SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A2 SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 100> M4A2(76)W HVSS SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A3(75) SHERMAN (COMP. SPEC.) x 100> M4A3 SHERMAN (105) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> M4A3E2 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> M4A3E2 SHERMAN (76) (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> M4A3E8 SHERMAN (76) (COMP. SPEC.) x 50> M4A4 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 5> SHERMAN VC FIREFLY (ELITE) x 1> M4A6 SHERMAN (75) (COMP. SPEC.) x 20You review Saunders High School with Trudy. Trudy says, “They are a particularly well-balanced force. I imagine you could use their line up for any sort of setting and any kind of strategy. Thus, a specific strategy from them is probably going to be hard to pin down, but we can reasonably assume that they will definitely be vulnerable to heavier tanks in closer quarters situations and at long ranges.”You nod. “I’m impressed, Trudy.”Trudy smiles smugly. “You say that as if you didn’t expect that from me.”> + 5 CP> SAUNDERS HIGH SCHOOL MINED OUTThe Girl Scouts pack their things, Gordon handing Trudy a package of freshly cut tuna to her. “Thanks, Gertrude! Get well soon!” they all say as they leave you. In next comes the Rifle Team and is that a fucking Barrett .50 Caliber M82?Natalya says, “Yes. We’re going to show her how to field strip it and clean it and put it back together again.”> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
who gives high school girls antimateriel rifles
>>30286250> Take care of TrudyMake sure she doesn't shoot herself. I'm sure she could manage it even with an unloaded firearm.
>>30286250> Take care of Trudy
>>30286299Fell off the truck, obviously, just like how shadowrunners get all of their other gear.
>>30286250I thought they got their budget cut! How do they have all this?!> Take care of Trudy
>>30286250> Talk to Someone (Specify)Where did you get that?
>>30286250> Take care of Trudy> Call Someone (Griselda)Didn't realize it was Show and Tell Day whenever Gertrude gets sick.
> Take care of TrudyYou ask, “Where did you get that?”Natalya says, “You shouldn’t underestimate how rednecks get their stuff.”“I didn’t assume you were a redneck,” you say. You look back at Trudy. “Need anything, Trudy? Water?”Trudy asks of you, “A hot towel would be nice I suppose.” You nod then stand up off the bed and walk over to the sink. You pull up a fresh rag then warm it up under the hot running water of the tap. It only takes a few minutes, then you turn around to see Natalya already putting the M82 back together after just disassembling it.Once she cocks it, she says, “And that’s how it’s done.”Trudy claps, smiling. “Well, ain’t that something.”Samantha says, “Natalya’s really big on the bigger caliber rifles. I don’t blame her really.”You hand Trudy the hot towel, who takes it and then does nothing with it. You ask, “Aren’t you going to use it?”Trudy says, “I don’t know what to do with a hot towel. I just asked you to get me one since you seemed to want to help.”You sigh.> Take care of Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30286460>Talk to the Avaition, about their planesTrudy doesn't really need out help
>>30286460> Talk to Someone (Aviation)Why not?
>>30286460> OtherSay, the History Club members seem to be missing.Maybe they made off with the German book already? For academic reasons.
>>30286460>Aviation Club
>>30286460Talk to Octavia.
> Talk to a Crew (Team Bearcat)You walk out and see Marina. “Hey, Marina.”“Oh, hey Kitten.” The Aviation Studies Club are dutifully waiting their turn to see Trudy. “What’s up with you?”You shrug. “Not much. Anything happening with you?”Jenny says, “We’re starting a Skycraft team. Gertrude’s been helping us.”“Yeah, I know. How’s that going along?”Lidya says, “The parts from Christie are due to arrive in a few days, once that happens, we can start fixing up the planes.”“Cool, what planes do you have?”Katya lists off, “The Hs-129 B-3, a Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo, a Hawker Hurricane, a Tony Ki-61 Hei, an SBD Dauntless, and a P36 Hawk.”“Cool,” you say. “You guys ever play War Thunder?”Marina nods. “I do. I stick to Historical Battles though. The other girls though are more in league with IL-2 Sturmovik.”Lidya says, “I still can’t believe you play that arcade-y piece of shit, Marina.”“Hey, it may be arcade but it’s still fun you know?”You check the time. 5 O’Clock. Where did the day go. There goes today’s 2x bonus in War Thunder.You receive a call on your cellphone.“Griselda”> Answer> Don’t Answer
>>30286706>answer
>>30286706>AnswerYo wassup
>>30286706> Answer
>>30286706> AnswerSisterly sixth sense?
>>30286706>Historical BattlesIt's Realistic Battles now scrub.
>>30286706>AnswerWe may have to postpone the date for them.Next time we get the day off, we may have to ask for a postponement
> Answer“Hey, Griselda. What’s up?”“How’s my favorite geek doing?”“Doing fine. How’s my favorite annoying little sister?”“Same same. Just calling to see how you were?”“I’m doing fine. Trudy’s sick though.”“Oh no! Is she okay?”“She’s recovering, Griselda. She’ll be back in school before you know.”“Oh, that’s lovely then. Send her my best wishes. Oh, also, me and Dad sent you two a care package in the mail. Should arrive tomorrow-ish depending on how fast Me-323 Gigants work.”“Oh, that’s great. What’s in it?”“It’s a surprise! But no seriously, we’re sending Dad’s cookies.” YES! MOTHERFUKKEN TRUDY’S DAD’S COOKING. NANCY’S ONLY SECOND TO HIM. “Still, there’s another surprise in there though.”“Alright. I won’t prod then.”“Right, see you then, Kitten!”With that, you hang up on Griselda. Nice girl. Would be amazing to see her again. Hell, it’ll be amazing to get Mr. Pool’s cooking in you. Goodness, that man can cook better than a thousand Gordon Ramsays.Fairless walks over to you, and you instantly shrink a bit under her stare. Goddamn it Fairless why are you so scary. “I’m going to head out from here. I already gave Gertrude my well-wishes.”You nod. “Alright, Fairless.”She nods. “Good luck in the tournament, yeah?”> Boast> Neutral> Polite> …
>>30286964> Boast
>>30286964> …> BoastAwkward boast?
>>30286964> BoastGertrude led the team this far and has not led them astray.
>>30286964> PoliteKitten never boasts.
>>30286964>> BoastOnly cookies....that is a little bland but oh well. We can use the cookies as a base to help the girl scouts
>>30286964>> Polite
> BoastYou nod. “Yeah, we’ll give them the business!” you say a bit awkwardly. Trying to make yourself larger hasn’t worked so far, doesn’t mean it’d work now.Fairless says, “Mhm, Mhm,” as she lights another cigarette. “See you, Carol.”You wave as she walks away.Damn that bitch is scary, you do not want to run into her again. Most of the crews have already filed out and gone home. The only ones left are the Sewing Club who are still around trying to convince crewmembers to be models, the Theatre Tech crew, and the Aces.> Make some dinner> Check in on Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30286964> PoliteY-you too!
>>30287151> Call Someone (Nancy)We aren't making ramen for everyone.
>>30287151> Talk to a Crew (Theatre Tech)Practice day tomorrow. See if they're gonna be ready to roll.
Who would win in a fight? Our Aces or Team Leopon?
>>30287151>> Talk to a Crew (Specify)Aces. See if Octavia can teach us anything useful.
Thought just struck me: now that we have theatre tech, we need to give the Poles back their Stuart and put the Tech kids in the Hellcat.Everyone agree?
>>30287306No.
>>30287306Fuck, don't start this again
>>30287306No, now fuck off.
>>30287151>Theatre Tech crewWe have to give them the Chi-haAt this point, I want to read a book, but that's it Maybe we can study a Tankery Group like Black Forest
>>30287321>>30287323>>30287334Not that Anon, but the only tank they can use is the Chi-ha
>>30287306Might work. Sure as hell better than putting them in the Chi-ha, unless we're willing to drop a chunk of change on the Sherman chassis.
> Talk to a Crew (Team Machina)“Say, uh… Georgine?”Georgine Barkas greets you. “Kitten, right?” You nod. “Nice to meet you.”“Yeah. I was just wondering if you guys were ready and willing on practice tomorrow.”Sykes says, “Sure are! We’re ready for whatever tank you can give us.”Tony says, “Yep. We’ll be damned sure to break it in.”“Shut up, Tony,” says Sykes.“Fuck you, Sykes,” is Tony’s response.Barkas sighs. “Anyway. Just be sure, we’ll be ready and willing. You’ll see.”“Of course, Georgine. We don’t have a lot of tanks available but I’m sure Trudy will try and put you in something worth of your skills.”> Make some dinner> Check in on Trudy> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Talk to a Crew (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30287372They'll get the Sherman when we work on the chassis or put them in a second Hellcat if we decide to buy one.That was my understanding, at least.
>>30287419>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Black Forest?
>>30287372You could give them the T-34 and reserve the Sherman for the Rifles.Honestly, that seems like the best path right now.
>>30287334>>30287323>>30287321You know if we keep them in the stuart that they can elite it, right?
>>30287428Why not just give them the Hellcat now so they have experience using one if we're giving them something like that to begin with.
>>30287416It's only $15,500 to get the Sherman up to the M4A4 standard. That is liable to be far more useful than the Type 97 ever could be, and opens the way to eventually getting a Firefly. With nothing else besides maybe the T34/85 all that pressing it might be the best use of funds when we get them.
>>30287442T-34 right now is a 4 man crew like the Stuart.
>>30287456Yeah, elite a fucking Stuart, I'm jizzing my pants at the thought of it.But no really, I'm fucking tired of this argument popping up time and time again. Give it up.
>>30287462Because the Poles need to be in the Hellcat. It isn't a big deal having them learn in the Chi-Ha.
>>30287484I forgot about that, I was thinking of the T-34/85.
>>30287477Firefly is also a four man crew>>30287489Then all the progress will be for naught, its almost like getting a new crew.>>30287496Do they? I don't think it's a necessity, some anon said we need to fill out our best tanks.5 man crew for a 5 man tank will work best.a four man crew will work best for a 4 man tank.
>>30287419>Study Black Forest.We need the CP anyway,
>>30287547I give no shits because the Hellcat is a better tank. Familiarity with their tank isn't the only factor involved numbnuts. No, I'm not going to agree putting them back in the Stuart.
>>30287442The only other option is swapping with the Girl Scouts (4 member crew on Panzer IV, which is 5 crews) since they haven't named their tank yet.Reminder to anons that the Stuart and the Chi-Ha are both 4 man crew tanks. Sure, the Chi-Ha can fit one more, but only if you bother with upgrading it. I doubt anyone would try though.And putting 5 people in those two tanks is a waste of manpower.
>>30287547Give it up. They'll never give up their 'bigger numbers' argument
Oh hey, it's WOT shitpost general.
>>30287574So your going to put them in the Chi-ha?I think now it's more out of spite on both sides. We're going to eventually improve our lineup but we have more slots for crews and we have tanks.
>>30287584That true? Well, that's a pretty convincing argument then. I'd be fine having the Girl Scouts in our eventual Firefly, Theatre Tech in the Panzer.
>>30287598I can't wait for practice on tuesday....>>30287584Their finally adjusting to the Panzer Iv
>>30287623It's turned into spite at this point since people won't shut up about it.My plan at this point is to put the Tech crew into the T-34/85 or as >>30287584 said, the Panzer IV. Doubtless a bunch of your are going whine about taking their tanks away again though, so I'm wondering why I even bother.
>>30287656They've had one practice, they'll live with switching tanks.
>>30287664I still don't understand why the Polish team of all teams....
>>30287685it was two that I recall.
>>30287656Are you fucking kidding me. You don't want to take the Panzer away from a crew that's JUST started now too?Christ, just stop giving input.
> Study a Tankery Team (Black Forest Peak)Despite their loss against Kursk Girls Boarding School, Black Forest Peak still remains a relatively challenging opponent. This is owed mostly due to their heavily armored and armed line up.> BLACK FOREST PEAK WOMEN’S COLLEGE ROSTER> TIGER I (ELITE) x 1> TIGER II (ELITE) x 1> TIGER II (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> PANTHER AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> JAGDPANZER IV (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> JAGDPANZER IV (V) (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> JAGDPANTHER (COMP. SPEC.) x 15> JAGDTIGER (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> PANZER IV AUSF. H (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> PANZER III AUSF. J (COMP. SPEC) x 30> PANZER III AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC) x 30> STUG III AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC) x 50> STUG IV (COMP. SPEC) x 50> PANZER VIII MAUS (COMP. SPEC) x 1> + 5 CPYou sigh as you walk inside. The Theatre Tech kids and the Sewing Club have left already, and the Aces are just packing up to leave.Kate says, “Looks like Gertrude’s making an excellent recovery. Hope to see her at practice tomorrow.”You nod. “Thanks for visiting you guys.”Octavia nods. “Of course. Can’t just leave our Commander in the dust, can we?”With that, the five of them leave. That just left you and Trudy…Where the hell is Trudy’s staff actually?> Make some dinner> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30287664I think it's also because people won't shut up about it is because that we knew theater crew was going to join up after the play.We knew this and we still went and gave a tank to a team that didn't really need it.
>>30287686Probably because they had the worst tank. I don't think anyone is going to dispute the usefulness of the KV-85 or the Panther.>>30287708Not exactly a great loss.
>>30287720> Call Someone (Nancy)Don't want to start making food if she plans on showing up soon.
>>30287720> Make some dinner
>>30287733I just wanted to get rid of the Stuart full stop.Which is why I'm going to oppose any attempt to put them back into it.
>>30287712Calm down. The only reason I said that was because when we first started practicing, they didn't even know how to fire the gun.and I'm sure the 37mm is different then the 75mm.That's the only thing.
>>30287720>Call Someone (Nancy)
>>30287786They'll learn. It's not a permanent assignment, and the Panzer would better fit Theater Tech.
>>30287786Last time I checked, the T-34 was packing a 76mm, and the Sherman the 75mm.
>>30287775And then we get a logjam with too many crews and not enough tanks. The proposal is:Poles - Stuart (Szarik)Naval Studies Engineers - Panzer IVTheatre Tech - HellcatWe don't lose anything. The poles get their named tank back, and the other two teams get tanks that they can start to familiarize themselves with. It is a win/win.
>>30287744It wasn't the worst tank it had a different role, wasn't it the Chi-ha?And don't spout that the Hellcat is superior in every way, We get it we can test the theory out on Saunders>>30287775Dude, we need twenty tanks to fill out, and twenty crews. People on the Stuart side besides the sentimentalists is that we will get better tanks and we had new crews coming along the way to man those tanks, and after the first practice it seemed like we messed up a perfectly good crew when WAlter Christie match was near. >>30287821I think it will be for awhile though, considering we need 15 crews.>>30287832I was talking about the Panzer 4
>>30287775Going exclusively with the bestest tanks ever and pretending their crews are cogs in a machine sure worked out well for Black Forest, didn't it? The Stuart is a better scout than the Hellcat, which is why the American Army, who had Germans shooting at them to motivate them to develop sound doctrine, used them in their respective roles. Developing unique scout-based skills seems more in-theme with what the Poles were doing than mediocre and grudging use of a tank-destroyer whose best use isn't aggressively probing the enemy but rather being staying in reserve as a fast-reaction unit.
>>30287898Besides the fact that we don't have the Naval Studies Engineers at this point, I wouldn't mind switching the Poles back into their tank.
>>30287720>Call nancy to make dinner
>>30287720> Call Someone (Nancy)Also gotta make sure Kitten doesn't come down with the cold herself, what with being in proximity with Gertrude for a while.
>>30287925Wait, who was the other crew we got then. tech kids and ?
>>30287898You don't seem to be getting it.I don't want the Stuart back. And don't pretend yours is the only option, because there were other perfectly viable options that doesn't require us to take the Stuart back.Case in point.Poles - HellcatTheater Tech - Panzer IVGirl Scouts - T-34Rifle Team - Sherman
> Call Someone (Nancy)“Hey, Nancy. What’s up?”“KITTEN! THANK GOODNESS YOU CALLED!”“… the hell is going on?”“Well, me, Lisa, and Ramirez were just about to come by and visit the President! But we may have accidentally locked ourselves in the Tankery HQ.”“… how long have you been in there and why didn’t you just call someone?”“I didn’t want to bother anyone.”“You realize there’s a limited amount of food in there, you could starve to death.”“Just please come and let us out. I think Gertrude may have the master key to the place.”“I’ll be there when I can.”> Help Trudy’s Staff> Talk to Trudy (Topic?)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30287960> Help Trudy’s StaffFind someone you can trust to watch Trude while you're out.
>>30287950Girl Scouts >>30287959We don't have the Sherman>>30287775Look normally I agree with you, but I rather get a full roster when we can afford to change tanks.
>>30287960I'm surprised Ramirez didn't pick the lock with a bobby pin or something.> Help Trudy’s Staff
>>30287960> Help Trudy’s Staff
>>30287910Where are these magical citations where doctrine was decided by the respective performances of the tanks instead of a soft factors like cost and build time?Prove it, prove with hard fact that the Stuart is objectively better for that role instead of mindlessly wurbling about how it worked like that back then and no other tank could possibly take the spot.
>>30287950The Girl scouts.Also, for everyone. This whole thing again comes down to long-term vs short-term planning. The best immediate gains obviously come from keeping our best crews in our best tanks. But we also need to play the long game and the Stuart question simply comes down to if it's worth it to have it as a scout down the line.
>>30287991>We don't have the ShermanAlso the Rifle Team only has three members, and the Sherman has a crew of five.
>>30287991>We don't have the ShermanWe have a chassis, and the Sherman upgrade isn't terribly expensive.>Look normally I agree with you, but I rather get a full roster when we can afford to change tanks.And risk another shitstorm like the Poles? Fuck no.
>>30287960>Help Trudy's Staff>Talk to TrudyTell her the situation and ask whether she'll be okay while we quickly head out.>>30287991Ah. Thankyou.
>>302880423 man crew for a 5 man tank is normally not a good idea. We're having a shitstorm now so what's the difference, it's better to deal with it later then now.
>>30288024>The best immediate gains obviously come from keeping our best crews in our best tanks.Yep, can't argue that.>But we also need to play the long game and the Stuart question simply comes down to if it's worth it to have it as a scout down the line.Precisely my point. I'm saying that an experienced and dedicated crew like the Poles in their Stuart would be a better long-term investment than simply putting them in something shinier for short term gain.
>>30288092The Firefly limits that to four crew members, so it'll be good enough.
>>30288118And I would argue that the Stuart had limited potential and taking the long road to getting an elite Hellcat is a better use of our crew slots.
>>30288138But changing a crew to another tank cuts said experience so your better off putting a fresh crew into a fresh tank
>>30288118Now that's backwards. An experienced and dedicated crew like the Poles in their Hellcat would be a better long-term investment than simply keeping them in a sub-par tank that limits what they can contribute to the battlefield.
>>30288138Why not put a new crew in the Hellcat, work them up to elite as well, and have both an Elite Hellcat and an Elite Stuart?
>>30288160An experienced crew is an experienced crew, putting them in a new tank won't magically wipe out everything they've learned in Tankery.>>30288174Because as far as I'm concerned the Stuart is a waste of a crew slot.
>>30288174Problem is some anons hate the Stuart as much as the Chi-ha.
> Help Trudy’s Staff“Uh, Trudy. I’m going to head out for a bit then I’ll make some dinner. Your staff’s gone and gotten themselves in a bind and I need the master key.”Trudy reaches into her pocket and pulls out the master key. “Here you go,” she says. “I’ll be fine on my own. See you!”With that, you leave the dorm, covered up in your trenchcoat. Goddamn it’s cold. It’s definitely going to get colder in the later months like November and December. That’ll be something.You arrive at the Tankery HQ after a brisk walk. At the doors are Lisa, Nancy, and Ramirez, smiling that you’ve finally arrived to save them. You open the door and are immediately brought into a hug by Nancy. “Oh, thank you, Kitten! You don’t know how long we’ve been in there!”“Why were you even in there?”Lisa says, “We were accounting for a couple of things. Fuel, ammunition, that sort of stuff. We stuffed it all into one place, hopefully it doesn’t blow the fuck up.”You nod. “Yeah. I really hope it doesn’t. Let’s just go home, shall we?”> Remain Quiet the rest of the way home> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30288172 see >>30288174, where I addressed that.
>>30288223> Talk to Someone (Lisa)
>>30288247see >>30288217, where I addressed that.
>>30288024Theoretically, probably not.Putting it into practice is another thing entirely.We're running the assumption that we'll always have the best tanks available for purchase the moment they're needed. There's not way to guarantee that.
>>30288217So an Elite Scout is a waste compared to say, an unexperienced Sherman or T-34?
>>30288223> Talk to Someone (Lisa)Why didn't you call someone? Nancy I get, but you have a cellphone too, right?
>>30288217But it delays it and the marginal difference is not really worth it. Also a 5 man crew can operate it better. One of the reason I believe that the poles had a harder time with the Hellcat is due to them having more roles to do,
>>30288223>Talk to Lisa
>>30288092I am thinking optimal would probably be something like...Poles - StuartRifle Club - HellcatTheater Tech - Panzer IVGirl Scouts - ShermanThe Poles get their tank back, and are more likely to develop skills and elite status. And despite what certain morons think it's pretty clear a superior crew in a tank they like is going to be more useful than a mediocre and sullen crew in a tank they do not. And of course it's not like the Stuart is incapable of killing other tanks at close range, especially nimble, fast-moving and heavily armed tanks that sacrifice armor. Like say the SU-76M.Meanwhile the three-woman crew in the Hellcat probably hurts less than anywhere else, since as a TD the Hellcat should be scooting up to a position, hiding in wait, firing off some shots and then scooting back to the next ambush position. They won't be in constant combat to tax the ability of one or two crew-members to multitask.Switching the Girl Scouts to the Sherman we intend to get to Firefly status makes sense. Four person crew for the final intended model, whereas the Panzer IV will always be optimally crewed with five people.Though we should also think about setting up formations inside the club and appointing officers. Having Kate command a heavy tank detachment is kind of a no-brainer, especially since promoting her costs no CP, but there's room for at least two medium tank platoons here.
>>30288269An elite Stuart is a waste next to a moderately experienced Sherman or T-34. And I still much prefer the Hellcat in the scout role. >>30288277A one person difference is marginal, and I have no idea where you got the idea that the difference between a fresh crew and an experienced crew adjusting to a new tank is minimal. Citations please.
>>30288317Why not just give the T-34 to the Rifle team?
>>30288317You. I like you. You talk sense.Throwing my support behind this idea.
>>30288317I would support this, if we could get an agreement on the Sherman. >>30288365Crewing requirements mostly.
>>30288365Because the T34/85 is a five-man tank, and we really want to get the T34/85 in the long run.
>>30288333It's not a scout its a tank destroyerhttp://hellcats.us/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=22>>30288333Tell that to the French army, and the Russain developing light tanks.
>>30288317>The Poles get their tank back, and are more likely to develop skills and elite status.In the Stuart, whose potential I'm dubious about to say the least.> And despite what certain morons think it's pretty clear a superior crew in a tank they like is going to be more useful than a mediocre and sullen crew in a tank they do not.105% morale disagrees with you.>And of course it's not like the Stuart is incapable of killing other tanks at close range, especially nimble, fast-moving and heavily armed tanks that sacrifice armor. Like say the SU-76M.The Suchka isn't exactly what I'd call well-armed. And of course, it'll have to kill them at close range, in which case they'll more likely be cut off from support and die.
>>30288333For the last time. The hellcat is not designed as a Scout.If we got a Chaffee, I'd happily throw the Poles into that because it fulfils the same battlefield role.>>30288333You've asked for three citations and never cited your own arguments. Citations. Please.
>>30288428You got me a forum post whose cited source is Wikipedia.Are you fucking serious?
>>30288317Honestly, the Stuart is not that good at AT. It has <50mm penetration at 500 yardsThat's really, really bad
>>30288428>>30288457Please answer>>30288019
>>30288174Because an Elite Stuart is not particularly useful.Why do you think we phased out the Stuart as soon as we could? Because it wasn't very good at its job.If you're going to insist on keeping the Poles in a "scout," position (which I'd argue is a waste of their enthusiasm and desire to murder), you could at least try to not be an autistic shit and resist change to resist change, and instead make suggestions like moving to a M24 or M22 or Puma scout car or something similar.You could even suggest that we have Nancy go researching old historical light/scout tank prorotypes to see if those whacky Germans or Soviets made something that could be coopted into tankery. (spoilers: they did, and lots of different kinds)Instead you're bitching like a little shit.
> Talk to Lisa“Don’t you have a cellphone, Lisa? Why didn’t you call anyone?”“Nancy wrestled my cellphone off of me so I wouldn’t bother anyone,” she said. She gestures towards Nancy. “Speaking of which, I’ll take my phone back.”Nancy nods, placing Lisa’s phone into her hand. “I was just making sure no one was bothered. I mean, Trudy is still out sick, who knows what else could happen!”“Nancy, the world doesn’t favor you just because you don’t bother people,” says Lisa. “In fact, quite the opposite. You’re never going to get anywhere in life without pissing someone off.”“Now, Lisa. That’s not true. I happen to know a fair number of people who get by in life without ever coming to blows.”“Your Mormon convent doesn’t count.”You say, “Well, at least you’re not starving to death in there. I’ll say, if I hadn’t called, who knows what would’ve happened.”Ramirez says, “I would’ve just broken the door down.”You arrive back at the dorms in good time. You invite Trudy’s staff inside to see her.“Hey, girls,” says Trudy. “Where you been?”Lisa says, “Got held up.”> Relax> Make Dinner> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30288223hey schteel, trudy IS reading her books, right?
>>30288508>Read Magical Girl Liberty
>>30288531Sticking to routines, I like it!Supporting!
>>30288457I'm not the one claiming that the Stuart is magically superior to the Hellcat in a scouting role despite its inferior technical specs. Why is the Stuart so superior despite being (ostensibly) inferior on paper?
>>30288499>you could at least try to not be an autistic shit and resist change to resist change, and instead make suggestions like moving to a M24I did, >>30288457to quote:>If we got a Chaffee, I'd happily throw the Poles into that because it fulfils the same battlefield role.Yeah, for some reason I don't think I'm the autist in this argument.
>>30288475Go to Wikipedia, look at tank destroy or tank destroyer doctrine, their is your citation
Rolled 29>>30288531>ThisKittens has had a hard day.
>>30288508> Relax
>>30288487Nobody is arguing that the Stuart is a good anti-tank platform, it's mostly scouting arguments.>>30288499The Stuart was in service as a scout/support tank the entire war.
>>30288317The Poles are not exactly sullen. I agree for the most part that they should be in the Stuart because that's the vehicle they like, but the Stuart's usefulness is limited by it's BS bad gun.The Hellcat has a higher speed limit, a better engine, and a better gun and is not that much bigger (less than a meter lengthwise and less than half a meter widthwise). It can double as a scout because of it's ridiculous speed (which, coincidentally, is better than the Stuart's), and has a gun that is amazing at it's role. The Stuart simply can't match that no matter how many skills the Poles get on it.
>>30288574>Wikipedia>SourceAhahahaha what.
>>30288582"in service," is not code for "useful."It means it was in service, not that was in service and good at its job.
>>30288607What would you like? Someone pulling out an armor book and quoting it?
>>30288607Yeah, that nigga was serious, compounded by the use of "their," too.I don't know how children find their way on 4chan, but it's kind of sad.
>>30288566And I'm not magically claiming the Hellcat is a scout.You've asked for citations from everyone who disagrees with you and yet have not backed up your own arguments. Now, when challenged on that, your reasoning is "You're making stupid arguments, you should prove it."A good argument has proof and reasoning. A good arguer expects of himself everything he expects the people opposite the table. That includes fucking citations
>>30288487Expecting the Stuart to get in a gunnery duel at 500 yards is pretty retarded. Most of their shots would be at 100 yards or less, in the flanks or rear. Not every tank has to be a Panther.And the Poles' style of combat is very much reckless and hard-charging, suited to cavalry tactics. Scouting and screening ahead is something cavalry would do, but so too all kinds of crazy maneuvers up close. I don't think the Hellcat is suited to that kind of combat at all, or at least would be better reserved to react to the enemy rather than risked up that way. And right now the Stuart is the best light tank we have, though if a Chaffee becomes available I'm all for giving them it ASAP.
>>30288508>make dinner
>>30288632Probably want a history or theory book about the role of armored forces by the United States in the European theater from '38 to '45.But, yeah, basically. I'm sure you'd agree that it would be better researched, written, and presented than what happens on /tg/.
>>30288582>>30288317> And of course it's not like the Stuart is incapable of killing other tanks at close range, especially nimble, fast-moving and heavily armed tanks that sacrifice armor. Like say the SU-76M.Excuse me?The Stuart barely can handle a thin-skinned tank like the SU-76M. The Hellcat can get through a heavier tank with its gun where the Stuart can't.Really, it's the ability for the Hellcat to actually take on both scouting and TD roles fairly effectively. Its high speed lets it get into ambush positions and get to prime "passive scouting" positions. It simply is more versatile than the Stuart.That's why I'd prefer the Poles in the Hellcat.
>>30288574>>30288582>>30288632>>30288688So what exactly makes the Stuart a better scout then a Hellcat? Other then logistics, I mean.>>30288668The Stuart is only 'better' for being reckless because it doesn't hurt as much to lose a tank that can't contribute to the fight.
>>30288688Sure, I agree with that statement. But go check Wikipedia's sources for most of the things it has, those are the books you want. Now, I'm not him, but I know that Wikipedia has some useful information in it. It's not the source for a detailed paper, but it gets you started on one.
>>30288668The hellcat is FASTER than the Stuart and handles better. I'd say that suits the Poles better in their role since they're less likely to get hit in a faster moving vehicle and gives them a better gun.(Wiki data, may not be accurate) Hellcat crews even used that speed in rapid sprints to flank german tanks. Where
>>30288735"Better" is what we're getting hung up on. My argument would be that the Stuart is a "Better" scout because the Hellcat is "Better" being prepared, sighted in and ready to shoot people the Stuart found. That would be the gist of my argument for keeping the Stuart, it's a dedicated scout, not a scout/tank-destroyer the could likely be better used in a prepared/known flanking position than poking around.
>>30288607"Tank Tactics: From Normandy to Lorraine" by Roman Jarymowycz, Ch. 5 Creating North American Panzer ArmiesHere is your fucking citiation. Now where is fucking yours!
>>30288699Your points have merit and are presented in a way that's transparent and informative.This means the shitposters will immediately start shitposting.I'm going to attempt to co-opt a potentional (")counter-point(").>b-b-b-b-but the girls LIKE their tank! It's wrong to make them move just because it's "better"!Fuck you. I like my nasty, ragged boxers with more holes in the crotch than a collander.I'm sad when I replace them because they are old friends who have cradled my balls for many months or years. I quickly realize how awful they were when I get new ones. I like my new pair(s) immediately after a brief (get it) moment of readjustment for differences in cut or fabric.I know it must be done, because it's past its useful service life. This is the way it has to be.Besides, we could find a new crew and shove them in the Stuart. Now you assholes can have the Stuart back.
>>30288801You need to include the quotation(s) actually taken from your source, darling anon.This is how papers work.
>>30288661>The British has been supplied with a number of M3s under the Lend-Lease agreement and valued the reliability and speed of this tank (whose official British Army name was the "Stuart") so highly that they nicknamed it "Honey".>Although undergunned and extremely lightly armored, it was nevertheless reliable and fast.Page 128, Weapons of World War II by Alexander Ludeke I'm not seeing anything here that the Hellcat does better. And while the book did mention that it was a effective scout, I don't see any reason why the Hellcat can't perform the same role.
> Relax>> MAGICAL GIRL LIBERTY! <<Liberty landed on the huge stack of crates within Warehouse 51, having to do her transformation mid-air as she jumped to dodge bullets. She looked down to her right, keeping her shield up to deflect fire from those MG-34s mounted on trucks and Kubelwagens.Lightning landed next to her, running alongside her. “Hey! Ain’t this fun!” She twirls her naginata, a trail of violet leading from the blade.“Shut up, Lightning!” shouted Liberty. “We’ve got to stop them from stealing the Crystal Skull!”“It’s your bank account!” yells Lightning as she hops over Liberty and right down into the fray, slicing a halftrack in half and sending Nazi stormtroopers flying everywhere which away. She jumps again, blasting a crater in the floor, then hopped into a truck and began slicing away at more stormtroopers like the violet lightning she was.Liberty meanwhile ran alongside, chips of wood exploding at her as the leader of the convoy, a Panzer II, began taking potshots at her with its 20mm autocannon. She span her right hand shield, to a point where it began glowing red from heat, then stopped and threw it with all the power of a major league baseball player.The shield went through the Panzer II’s turret, leaving behind only a burning hole, and sending the little tank barreling into a pile of crates. The shield then zoomed right back into Liberty’s hand.
>>30288857>Hellcat can't do betterCurse the lack of edit function!
>>30288895Liberty hopped down, crushing the engine block of the Opel Blitz behind the Panzer II. “This ends here!” she shouts. Lightning landed down next to her, brandishing her Naginata.“I don’t think so.” A halftrack pulled up to the Opel Blitz the two Magical Girls stood upon. Out of the halftrack stepped a girl not unlike them, but on her arm she brandished the Nazi Swastika. “This is my mission bestowed upon me by the Fuhrer himself! I will not see it fail!” She raised her fist. “NOW!”Lightning and Liberty are immediately swept back in a blinding wave of magic. “What the hell!?” shouts Lightning.Then they saw her.“WITNESS THE POWER OF THE THIRD REICH!”>> MECHA GIRL KOENIGSTIGER! <<“Kitten!”You look up, broken out of your reading. You look over to see Nancy hand you your dinner, some simple rice curry. “You seen engrossed in that book of yours. Is it good?”> Boast> Neutral> Polite
>>30288920Polite.
>>30288920> BoastSimply the best.
>>30288920> PoliteFirst video games, now manga. We'll convert Nancy yet...
>>30288688>>30288668Why do we need to follow standard "Scout" Doctrine? I mean, we can get the Hellcat into a spot to watch for tanks, report if they see any, then take a shot and retreat. Basically, they can work like Oorai's Hetzer in the BFP match and the 38(t) in the Pravada match
>>30288801What. Does. It. Fucking. Say?Because it's hard to evaluate a citation if I can't bloody see it.
>>30288802Thank you. I try.
>>30288920> NeutralIt... fills a certain niche in its own way.
>>30288857Forty and Livesey 2006 p. 392 Strong reconnaissance elements were provided so that TDs would be able to use pre-arranged firing positions to best advantage. Flanking fire by TDs was emphasized, both to penetrate thinner enemy side armor, and to reduce the likelihood of accurate enemy return fire.
>>30289047Flanking fire would include quick sprints to the side once a target was identified IIRC. Let me see if I can find a non-wiki source on that
>>30289047That gives me nothing on the Hellcat's ability to scout, only that the American Army best believed that TDs should be prefaced by reconnaissance element.Now don't get me wrong, that was most likely the most cost efficient way to use their resources. Except we're not worried about cost-efficiency, we're worried about slot efficiency, in which more versatile and powerful machines should be used.
> PoliteYou shrug. “It’s alright, Nancy. You like Crimson Skies right?”Nancy nods. “Of course!”“Then you might like it. It’s kind of like that,” says you.“Oooohh, I see,” says Nancy. You start digging into your dinner as she, Lisa, and Ramirez start gathering around the TV to watch. Trudy meanwhile has stood up, yawning and stretching and apparently now getting some grand energy from someplace else. Damn.> Relax> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30289115> Talk to Someone (Trudy)Get any reading done today?
>>30289136This. Trudy has got to have some books done.
>>30288802>Besides, we could find a new crew and shove them in the Stuart. Now you assholes can have the Stuart back.That's missing the fucking point entirely, anon.By keeping the Poles in the Stuart and putting a new crew in the Hellcat, we can get two elite crews.By putting the Poles in the Hellcat and forgetting about it, we're getting maybe one elite crew for short term gain.
>>30289114Slot efficiency isn't really a big concern right now.Walter Christie match is... well it doesn't matter what tank we use, it'll be a walkover or a washout.After that, its 15 tanks a side and we don't have that number yet.
>>30289115>> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)Black Forest
>>30289169The Walter Christie match is ten tanks only, the match after that is 15 tanks.
>>30289114We need to not fall into the Black Forest mindset though. Yes each slot needs to be the best/most efficient we can get it. But right now we don't have the 20 tanks we need to start caring about the slot shuffling.
>>30289114Except they're kinda the same thing. If you want to maximise your slots you take both elements to support each other.
>>30289159Again, the problem in the long run is that an elite stuart has only one role it does well while the hellcat can take two roles, maybe even doubling as a medium
>>30289185I'm not thinking that having a better line up is going to magically win our battles for us (unless the other team has a truly terrible lineup). However, I do believe that having a stronger lineup allows for more options and gives us a buffer in how we do things.
>>30289226Nope, nope nope. I'll give you scouting and being a TD. But the Hellcat has paper armor, no way in hell is it a medium.
>>30289182Yes I know that. It doesn't really matter what tanks we use since we're up against a very non standard team. After that is the 15 tanks a side and the point here is we have less than that.
>>30289213Except that the Hellcat can perform the same role as well as the Stuart, giving us more mileage out of the slot.But this conversation is going to have to continue later, I have family obligations to deal with now.
>>30289226The argument is more that we can get two elite tanks if we move the Poles back since Schteel has said that Tank familiarity is a big factor in ELITEness.Remember Ooarai's roster? We want that.
>>30289246I will agree with that. How's this idea that nobody seems to have brought up?Sell the Stuart, use the proceeds plus whatever extra is needed to buy a second Hellcat from Perrine. Boom, two scouts with tank killing ability. Please if you have an argument against this make it not be "But then we'd have two of the same."
>>30289226Yeah, I'll give you a TD since it was a TD and M18 was used as artillery but never as a medium.
>>30289213The hellcat is fast enough to serve as its own scout . Here's what we do:Hellcat goes to a concealed predetermined spot, checks for tanks. If yes, fall back to an ambush point based on their path and take a shot once in range. Rinse, repeatIf no, head to the next point and so on and so forth.
>>30289295No...
>>30289250No I mean doubling as a tank with a good gun in a flanking role, not as a true medium. I admit, I chose poor wording for that.
>>30289295Perrine doesn't have any right now.
>>30289295If you want a TD I'd rather a Jackson or a M10 (which we'll then make an Achilles)
>>30289295I'd be perfectly happy with this.
>>30289295Oh my fucking god. I get it you fucking hate the Stuart, but stop treating it like it's was like a M2A1, or an Italiain tank. a comp.spec Hellcat is 30,000, I rather spend it on the t-34-85
>>30289294We don't have Miho's Plot Armor and insane tactics, so we can't really afford to have a limited use tank like she can.
> Talk to Trudy“So, Trudy.” Trudy looks back at you as she arches her back, getting the blood flowing through her system. You say, “Get any reading done today?”“Oh, Kitten! You say that as if I’d actually read in my own time!” She snaps her finger. “But yeah, I got some reading done. But I was too sick today to finish off that one book, I’m close though. I probably would’ve finished it if it weren’t for all the crews coming by to visit. Bless their hearts.”Nancy blinks. “The crews came? How was it?”“Crowded,” you say. You note that there are still some scales and fish guts on your floor. You need to clean that later.Lisa nods. “I’d imagine so. It’s getting hard to keep track of all the crews.”Nancy nods. “Indeed. I fear the day when our team loses that sense of camaraderie when we become too large of a team. That’ll break my heart.”Trudy nods. “It’ll be for the good of the school, Nancy. I assure you that.”> Relax> Talk to Someone (Specify)> Call Someone (Specify)> Consult the Shop (Specify)> Study a Tankery Team (Specify)> Other
>>30289294Oh, so it's impossible for the Poles to Elite the Hellcat? They can't possibly get used to a different tank? I had no idea.An Elite Stuart isn't that big a deal.>>30289352Well sure, of course. Just, the Hellcat is more easily available and probably cheaper. I like the idea of trading in the Stuart for a Hellcat.
>>30289336Why?>>30289350She said they're busy, which I agree would mean a wait but not that it's completely unavailable. >>30289352Wouldn't mind those either.>>30289376Dude, I was one of the ones supporting the Stuart before, I'd like it in a scout role. So please stop slinging insults at an opinion.
>>30289376We don't need another Hellcat.Honestly, while I prefer the poles in the Hellcat, The T-34-85 is a much more versatile tank than the Hellcat with better armor and a better gun
>>3028939830,000 dollars is cheap?We can buy a well armed tank for that amount
>>30288428
>>30289428I rather wait until we have a full roster before selling tanks/Also sorry, it's just that i'm getting a little annoyed at this discussion, and well still be down three tanks from a full roster if we sell the stuart.
>>30289392> Study a Tankery Team (Black Forest Peak)We'll ask them for a practice match eventually I hope.>>30289432That was the high end quoted. And yes, cheap relative to a Jackson or something.>We can buy a well armed tank for that amountLike a Hellcat? I didn't realize a tank would cost as much as a tank!
>>30289461
>>30289461Thank you....Hand held rifles can penetrate the Hellcat.
>>30289461>Air burst Arty rounds>Against open top vehicles like our Hellcat.>And the enemy team has a truckload.While I recognize most schools won't have arty, this won't bode well.
>>30289461We don't have to worry much about secondary armament or artillery airbursts, but if the Hellcat is vulnerable to machinegun fire at close range that's quite a disadvantage as a scout even in Senshado.
>>30289537To be fair the M18 shouldn't even be that close to an enemy tank. If it is, the Commander made a massive fucking blunder
>>30289461ohkayyyyy...That armor is worse than I remember it being.I guess we need to keep it in cover at all times, especially if a bow machine gun can take it down...Schteel, how much would Applique armor help against small caliber rounds for the Hellcat?
>>30289430Doesn't have the speed though, which is the real draw of the Hellcat, at least to me anyway.
>>30289489>Like a Hellcat? I didn't realize a tank would cost as much as a tank!The M3 76mm is largely adequate, not particularly great. And the Hellcat sacrifices the armor protection of a Sherman, T34, or Panzer IV for the same level of firepower. Its speed has advantages but only for a specialized role, whereas a good medium tank can be used for almost anything.
>>30289392> Study a Tankery Team (Black Forest)Have a look at the cohesion of their Panthers, Tiger IIs, and Stug IIIs. Our own teams might benefit from that knowledge.
>>30289558Well, given how scouts are used in Senshado (Type 89 I-Go, Pz 38(t) from Oorai, the hellcat would have to get really close to do anythingBut then again, the I-go is even slower and worse armored and undergunned than the Hellcat and Oorai did fine with that...
>>30289601Well it sure is great that our team is full to the gills with mediums, huh? Almost as if we can afford a few specialized tanks in our lineup.
>>30289558Like racing ahead of the main line of advance to a predetermined spot on the map, only to find an enemy scout tank is already there?
> Study a Tankery Team (Black Forest Peak)> BLACK FOREST PEAK WOMEN’S COLLEGE ROSTER> TIGER I (ELITE) x 1> TIGER II (ELITE) x 1> TIGER II (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> PANTHER AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC.) x 20> JAGDPANZER IV (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> JAGDPANZER IV (V) (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> JAGDPANTHER (COMP. SPEC.) x 15> JAGDTIGER (COMP. SPEC.) x 10> PANZER IV AUSF. H (COMP. SPEC.) x 30> PANZER III AUSF. J (COMP. SPEC) x 30> PANZER III AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC) x 30> STUG III AUSF. G (COMP. SPEC) x 50> STUG IV (COMP. SPEC) x 50> PANZER VIII MAUS (COMP. SPEC) x 1As you probably saw on the TV in their match against Kursk G.B., Black Forest Peak really likes formation based combat. In short, they’re a team that you do not want to get into a direct fight with at any sort of range. Surviving a direct fight with them at all is a miracle at work.> + 5 CPWith that, dinner is over. Nancy, Lisa, and Ramirez bid you farewell.Trudy yawns a bit, smacking her lips and taking in a glass of water. “Hey, Kitten. Mind if I crash here for the night?”> LET HER CRASH HERE FOR THE NIGHT?> Y/N> Other
>>30289601Fuck, I keep forgetting that the 90mm Hellcat isn't Senshado Legal. That's a big detriment
>>30289634Oorai is blessed by the gods. We can't hope to emulate them.>>30289661> Y
>>30289661> Y`
>>30289661>let her crash for the nightShe already does this all the time, I see no reason to break the pattern
>>30289656You're pretty screwed in that position in ANY light tank. At least the Hellcat can retreat quickly.
>>30289489>That was the high end quoted. And yes, cheap relative to a Jackson or something.You can plop an M36 turret into the Hull of an M4A3. Turning the Sherman Chassis into an M4A3 is only 15,000.>>30289656The only time you should see that happen is in anime with plot armor. Tanks should be working in pairs, you have one moving and another providing cover.
>>30289684The I-Go is also Elite, as are all of Oorai's tanks. If an Elite crew can pull off that kind of bullshit in tank like that, I think people dismissing an Elite Stuart are doing a disservice.
>>30289661>N She's sick, remember
>>30289707Most light tanks can't be killed by a .50 machine gun. The Hellcat can be. Hitting a tank with a machinegun is a lot easier than hitting it with an AT gun.
>>30289674It technically is legal. The Turret from an m36 was mated to the M18 Hull in June 1945, and it apparently worked well if it weren't for the rocking and sliding
>>30289728I'm not so sure. Every team has at least one Elite tank, we've faced two already. I think that level of bullshit is unique to Oorai, otherwise they'd get drowned in numbers and superior firepower every match.
>>30289774UhLate war lights, at least american ones, were still pathetically armored. It's a difference of a few millimeters at best.
>>30289707It can be killed by .30 machine gun fire. Which is normally on the hull of tank (or some variant.)
>>30289786Really?In our first match, Ace completely wrecked our team almost solo.In the second match, the Elite tank, shit what was her name?, held up our entire team , again, by herself. True, that should never have happened but there you are.Elite tanks make or break games judging by what we've seen thus far.
>>30289774Most tanks don't have .50s in there Co-Axial or Hull, the US used M2HBs on the back of the turrets as an Anti-Aircraft MG, I can't see anyone getting out to man it in the middle of a fire fight.>>30289831At 75 yards.
>>30289661>NWe'll sleep in her room
>>30289810The Stuart cannot be killed by .50 caliber fire. The Hellcat can be killed by .30 caliber fire. That's a pretty substantial difference of a few millimeters.
>>30289849You mean Gwynedd Archer?
>>30289863What about the 20mm fron the Anti Aircraft guns>Walter Christie has then
You know, nobody so far has said anything substantial as to the preformance of the M5A1 versus the M18.Let's start with armor.http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/fltm5a1.htmWhile not a terribly well-armored beast, the M5A1 is capable of withstanding almost any 20mm round, apart from the rather rare Pzgr. 40, as well as many 37mm shells frontally.http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m18hellcat.htmlThe Hellcat, on the other hand, is vulnerable not only to standard 20mm, of both the Allied and German varieties, as well as being vulnerable to .50 caliber BMG on nearly all surfaces save for the frontal turret.Now for size.The Stuart is considerably shorter (in terms of length) and narrower, even moreso when the M18's gun is factored in. Factor both of these together, along with the significantly smaller turret of the M5A1, and the Stuart presents a much smaller targer.Manuverablilty.Both vehicles have roughly equal ground pressure. The Stuart, however can complete a 360 degree rotation of its chassis in space less than two-thirds of the size of the Hellcat.Combine these, and you have a vehicle that is smaller, more nimble, and more survivable than the M18. The Hellcat should stay as a rear-echelon TD relying on ambushes and responding to targets called in by other commanders, a role it historically proved adept at.
>>30289661>N
>>30289904Yeah, but Walter Christie is kind of weird. I don't expect any of the other schools to buy AAA tanks just to kill our Hellcat
>>30289661>> Y
>>30289890That was her name? Ah yes, so it was.
>>30289883Did you even read the fucking page posted?It can be killed by .30 fire at 75 yards.68 meters.You understand that, right? Thats fucking sneezing range for a tank.They will not be engaging at that range
>>30289661>NI don't want Kitten to get sick
>>30289931The way, it seems you more knowledgeable about these things then I am.What's your opinion and what do you make of this. >>30289906i'm gettig tired
>>30289849>Ace completely wrecked our team almost solo.Our nooby team, with crap for a lineup. She did it solo because she brought a green team as well. She was devastating, but no more then I could expect anyone with as much experience as she.>the Elite tank, shit what was her name?, held up our entire team , again, by herself.She only did that with a maeuver the WE can do. The Elite-ness of her tank didn't really contribute to that. And again, she didn't do anything unreasonable.Oorai is ridiculous. They MUST be uniquely advantaged with plot-armour and infallible luck.Elite tanks are an incredible asset from what we've seen, but we can't really expect an Elite Stuart to shrug off rounds it normally couldn't or take out tanks it has no buisness taking. It could maybe outpace a Hellcat from the Elite buff, though.
>>30289948Actually, we've been in numerous situations where we've been fighting at that sort of range. Not to say that the trend will continue but its worth noting.
> NYou shake your head. “Sorry, Trudy. You should get some sleep back at your place.”Trudy frowns, looking a bit hurt. Oh don’t give the guilt trip. She shrugs, packing her things. “Eh, whatever.”“You know, you spent most of the day sleeping,” you say. “I think you’ve gotten a taste of what it’s like to be me.”Trudy gasps, nodding understandably. “I have! Jeez, being you is boring.”“Is it?” you say.“Well, I can understand. I do hate responsibility from time to time and I do wish sometimes I could just do nothing. But, sadly, school’s on the line and I am the class president!”You shrug. “Sure.”Trudy says, “But you got a taste of what I have to do almost everyday,” she says. “How’d you like it?”“Well, it certainly was a thing,” you say. “Hopefully it doesn’t happen again. I’m fine just being your Radio Op.”Trudy nods. “Of course!” She heads out the door and waves to you, “Good night!”You flip through another page of Magical Girl Liberty. “Good Night.” > END DAY
>>30290026Well, that's it for this week. Hope you enjoyed the extra thread. I'll be back hopefully on Friday at 3PM EST as usual.Follow at: https://twitter.com/AdBa19See you next time.Also, shout out to that one guy from the last thread. Thoroughly enjoyed Kitten Quest.
>>30289948They wouldn't be engage at that range if we kept the Hellcat back, using it to respond to known enemy thrusts from concealed positions.However, sending it racing forward to points on the map where it is supposed to conceal itself and look for the enemy, runs the risk of finding the enemy already concealed there. And good hiding places for tanks also tend to be places where the geography favors the ability to hide until the enemy has closed in. Also urban combat is a thing. Oorai engaged at spitting distance multiple times in the anime, too.Using the Hellcat as a scout seems to me to rest way too much on assuming everything goes exactly as its advocates say it will.
>>30289849Ace was using a Chaffee, a decidedly better tank than the StuartAnd the British ace was using a Challenger/Cromwell/Comet/some brit tank with a c for its first letter, again, a decidedly tougher and better gunned tank than the Stuart that's about as fast
>>30290047Thanks Boss, have a good week.
>>30290047Thank you Schteel. And thank you for the thread!Someone asked before, who would win? Our Aces or Team Leopon?
>>30290000Honestly, he's right as a Scout, the Stuart is better. Personally, I'd pair the Hellcat with the Stuart. Have the Stuart Recon while the Hellcat provides over watch with its bigger gun.I don't give a shit about the crews.
>>30290047Thanks German
>>30290004The whole point of Elite tanks is that they CAN do the maneuvers we can do. A non-elite tank doesn't have access to the special moves.
>>30290069Thank you The Way. I appreciate your opinion on the matter. Hopefully we can make a good decision on this
>>30290067Tiger II probably could do better than the Piger because of its better armor and (I think?) better gun>>30290047
>>30290069Well sure we're going to keep the Stuart. It's damn stupid discussing selling it when we've floundered trying to get all of our tanks so far. And that's probably how it would be most useful, how you described.
>>30290069Can't we do something like this?Guys?
>>30290096>Thank you The Wayhaha that looks funny. It's not even a proper name
>>30290067Sounds pretty reasonable.
>>30290141So long as the Poles stay put.
>>30290142What do you want to be named then.>>30290164Of course......that's basically the crutch of everything.
>>30290047Thanks for the long week-end length extra thread, Schteel.>Thoroughly enjoyed Kitten Quest.This is gonna spawn more Tankery Crew side-stories quest, isn't it?>>30290067Gonna have to go with our Aces. Ranged trick-shot courtesy of Michelle would settle it in an instant.I dunno how good a field mechanic Wendy is, but Leopon's advantage on that end would only marginally affect that outcome overall.
>>30290051Was talking about the Elite tanks, not the Stuart.If you want to talk about the Stuart...I'd prefer the poles in the Stuart. Their play style is just not good for the Hellcat. A Hellcat is a sniper sitting in wait, observing, tailing the opponent then striking at just the right moment. The Poles are more like an aggressive patrol squad, they get in, fuck shit up, take a tongue for interrogation and generally mess with the opponent.
>>30290164Where are we stuffing the TT crew.the Chi-Ha?
>>30290142I might need to cite your sources for Friday. Is that fine?
>>30289511Not...really.That's .30(-06, mostly likely, not .30-30 or .30 Carbine), AP steel core rounds from 75 yards away, most likely at the thinnest sections of the rearward hull.The cannon has an effective range that extends to around a thousand yards (and probably beyond, but a thousand is a nice, round number).A M18 in senshado getting plunked at my a MMG or HMG with steel core rounds from under 75 yards away is less likely than simply getting blapped by said tank's cannon.
>>30290323Depends on if I have work, which I probably will
>>30290249I'd invest in the Sherman, then switch the Scouts to it to put the Theater Tech crew in the Panzer IV. Goal being something like...Headquarters PlatoonSherman - Trude's CrewSomua S35 - Sewing ClubStuart - PolesHellcat - Rifle ClubT/34 - (Engineering)Medium Tank PlatoonCO: ???Panther - DelinquentsPanzer IV - Theater TechSherman - Girl ScoutsSentinel - Merchant StudiesHeavy Tank PlatoonCO: Kate KnispelTiger II - AcesKV-85 - Aviation ClubChurchill - FreshmenStuG III - History ClubWe should make recruiting new crews a very high priority in the coming week since after the Christie match we need three more tanks available to not be outnumbered. Cash flow has thus far not been so much of a problem, though the side quests and more Fredendall bullshit may yet make it so.
>>30290501Dammit, and your one of the informed tank people here.
>>30290224I had forgotten how bad the Hellcat's armor was. If we could get them elite on the Hellcat, the speed should make up for its weakness, but yeah, I can see where you're coming from.The best fit probably would be the Chaffee or maybe a Pz 38(t) nA or the T-50 (though the latter's reliability issues are troubling, the amphib capability is seriously useful
>>30290473Well that's actually hard to say.If another endurance match like Kursk vs BFP comes up then you can bet your opponent will thank you very much for a way to save on ammo.>>30290521Lets not get ahead of ourselves with determining squads yet. We don't know what composition we want.
>>30290521Actually if we're really pressed, we only need two tanks We still have the Chi-ha
>>30290577>Pz 38(t) nA or the T-50For the love of god, don't bring WoT stats or abilities into this, both of those tanks were fucking shite in real life, while the 38(t) and its variants were decent early war, they were outclassed and obsolete mid war.And they never put the T-50 in production, and if you mention the 50-2 I will murder you through the internet.If you want a good latewar scout tank, M24 Chaffee is your best choice
>>30290577We could put the Rifle team in the Hellcat. I know their seriously undermanned but hear me out.Play them like the sniper as I said. They won't be firing on the move or loading as a result so they only need 3 while moving. If they're a scout team then they only need a driver, commander/radio and a gunner. A loader isn't necessary because we don't want them shooting while scouting so they need only one round loaded for emergencies. Finally, during actual battles, commander switches to loader and they can fire at their own discretion.
>>30290582>Lets not get ahead of ourselves with determining squads yet. We don't know what composition we want.Then we should hash that out, especially since the next practice is going to be the best time to actually introduce an organization and shuffle around crews. But I'd defend that particular proposal as pretty obvious as far as the heavy tanks go, with a very strong medium tank platoon, while the headquarters platoon keeps the harder-to-utilize tanks and recon assets under Trude's direct command.
>>30290636I was about to disagree with 38(t) about it being a shit tank but then you mention the early war, which it is true. I'm fine with our Stuat until we find a Chaffee
>>30290721Hash it out? We'll only be appointing the Aces as officers and giving her command of the Heavies and a flank guard maybe.We'll get to the meat of organizing when we have to figure out what to do with 15 tanks. It's not important to do for the Saunders match.
>>30290721The question here is, do we want specialized squads or all around squads? Specialized squads are good yes, but just lining up the tanks according to weight is not really a good idea. E.g. The King Tiger is severely limited by attaching it to the Churchill and KV. It possess' high firepower and limiting its movement is problematic.We'd want a dedicated Med squad as you suggested but I'd instead have an firepower squad of the 17 pdrs, Stug and the King Tiger, a bodyguard detachment of the Churchill and KV, and lastly a scouting unit.
>>30290829To continue, that number of squads gets rather complicated especially as we lack good officers at present. Our practices might want to be devoted to training them but here at present, its us and the Aces. This is where an all around group comes in.Just balance the two squads so they both have scouts, meds, heavies and etc. Then just tell Squad 2 that you want so and so objective and let her deal with the intricacies while we take care of our own aims.
>>30290829>>30290891I would say that grooming Luciano for a squad leader might be a good bet. So far, she's been the first and only non-Ace to express any interest in commanding more than her own tank.
>>30290636They put the T-50 into production, ~69 units made.
>>30290829I doubt the ability of the King Tiger to keep up with the cross-country mobility of the Sherman and Sentinel, and the StuG is ultimately a defensive asset as a casemate tank. The King Tiger in general should be playing anvil anyway, so leaving the heavily armored KV and Churchill to play bodyguard maximizes their usefulness and minimizes their shortcomings, while the StuG can set up in ambush against anyone trying to sneak up on them. And the medium tank platoon proposed, with the Panther, two (Eventually) 17 pdr armed tanks, and the Panzer IV, can handle just about anything while being free to react as quickly as possible to enemy maneuvers.
>>30291019Use the Tiger II as an anchor, leave Casemate TDs with it. Have Mediums move along the flanks, and Lights pushing far.However, this is all best case, you don't actually know what they're going to do until it happens
>>30290951I honestly think it might be worth taking a chance on. It'd tie her a lot more to the team if she took responsibility like that, and showing confidence in her like that might make her do it. On the other hand it could lead to serious problems. Something to be very careful of, but high risk/high reward I'd say.
>>30291019Perfectly reasonable.Honestly, this is all speculative. Your strategy is fine in more open areas while mine might be better in ambush positions where the firing squad can set up in advance.It really will depend on the terrain and other factors. As well as just what other tanks we can scrounge up.
>>30290951I'm kinda sad that they still haven't gotten a kill yet, even if they are in a relatively superior tank. History and Naval Merch are ahead by one in comparison.
>>30291122It'll at least lead to interesting questing. The idea has my support.
>>30291178Is that recorded in any pastebins? Could be cool to check out at the end of the quest.
>>30291211Nah, I just recall.Their first battle was a 4 vs.4 team practice match. They got lost in the forest, we stumbled into one another, hilarity ensued.In the William Adams match, they just called out an attack coming in from the north before getting KO'ed by a Challenger.And that's why they need to be paired with a decent Scout at least.
