The Universe is quite a fascinating place.With many unique lifeforms and organisms that you have not taken the time to fathom in your quick grab for power, recently. After ceasing control of the Dresh Alpha & Beta colonies, filled with over 10 million organic creatures, you have taken the time to use your vast intellect to study them. It has been, admittedly, mostly a curiosity of yours, not a pressing concern. But you have gotten to witness more about how the Xenos interact with one another. Humans, being the majority, hold more power. And while some wish to exploit this over those different then them, others fight for the rights of the alien. Malorians, being more benevolent, acquiring groups of mixed allies, and Losirians, proving more territorial and hostile to the common man, but intensely protective of those they do name their friends. Fascinating.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who, after intense negotiations with a very much independence focused board of extremely grateful 'pirates', has managed to acquire these bases as a protectorate, after cleansing them of a fungal infection. You hesitate to call them pirates, for they do not engage in such activity. You prefer to call them independents, you think. It fits what they seem to identify as. While they very much appreciate your assistance, and support through technology, and the vast defenses you are assisting them replacing, they are wary of being declared a part of the Guild. They will offer up resources as they promised, but they 'do not wish to be dragged into your wars', as they so put it, but also fear UGEI retaliation, as these colonies were indeed once their's. An understandable wish, you suppose. Still, such a thing may be unavoidable. Especially with their home being an excellent staging area into Losirian space.Important News>Message: Kronos[!], Moira[!], Apollo>Rhea Report>V.I. upgrade>Research & Development>Misc
>>30696718>Message: KronosA surprisingly urgent report comes in from Kronos, after he went off on his own to explore Atocia of Atocian Reach. You swiftly open his video record of what happened, and are surprised at the results.You see his ships warp in over Atocia, a world rather rich in minerals, one of the reasons he chose the place it seemed. However, the other reason he investigates first. A ship graveyard-a small one at least- is in orbit over the planet. The strange signal is originating from the center. You watch as he investigates and finds it. A cruiser sized vessel, absolutely covered all over by a strange clearish blue-green crystalline substance. The signal appears to be originating from within. After several long moments attempting to communicate, the A.I. sends in one of his own ships to investigate. Once it gets close enough, you watch as large chunks of the crystal suddenly break off and float towards the ship. The angle of the graveyard makes retreat difficult, and so, it opens fire in defense. Shards break everywhere and the signal, momentarily, grows much stronger, and more erratic, like a cry. Kronos wisely brings his ships back, and attempts further communication. Yet he never gets anything viable. He communes with Metis, whom analyzes what she can from afar.
>>30696748"And so I have determined." Kronos' voice brings you back to reality after the mere millisecond you were away. "It is some form of silicon base alien organism. Details have yet to be extracted, due to possible hostile reaction. The final decision I leave to you, Ophion. Shall I destroy this dangerous alien creature, and secure the planet, or allow it to be contained? Regardless of your decision, you should be aware, I have detected minor traces of the element here throughout the graveyard, and even planetside. I am uncertain to what this could mean, however, being cautious with a new form of..." He hesitates. "Organic life, if it is indeed even that, is wise." Metis swiftly adds."This being is indeed not in any record I have access to. If the UGEI indeed have seen it before, they have not presented it to the public. It is reasonable to suspect this is some new form of life that-" She pauses. "Some other, unfortunate organism has had contact with first."[New Lifeform detected: How do you handle this creature?]
>>30696771>Message: MoiraAn urgent ping comes in from Moira, who appears terribly troubled when you answer."Ophy...I..." She pauses, gazing up to your display. "Fortuna. Something went wrong." She tries to quickly get out, though it is clearly strained. "What happened, Moira?" You half demand, quickly growing tired of the hesitation. Humans always spoke so slowly."I don't know what it was, honest! I followed the same process as with all the others...I... But as soon as her core transferred, she..." She mumbles further,"Incalculable failure. Unfortunate adaptation by the V.I. to it's new environment." She quantifies for you, away from Moira. "Unfortunate, but not heavy loss. Recommending replacing the Carrier V.I. 6 occupied with a new subject."As the A.I. rattles off like that to you, Moira continues, unperturbed, turning to the screen next to her. "She's locked up right now. She nearly destroyed the facility's database, even with Metis' help defending it. You can see her, if you want. But be careful." She tries to warn hesitantly. "I don't know what she'll try." She trails off yet again.How shall Ophion respond?
>>30696793>Message: ApolloIn the past cycle Apollo has been very busy digging himself deep into the economy and business markets of the UFW, working out deals. He has invested quite a deal of credits on his own (a quarter of a million) into his efforts, but any attempts at asking him the purpose simply results in him assuring you it will all be worth it in the end. You only take notice when your observation of the A.I. reveal a large quantity of the A.I.'s shipments are narcotic, usually from pirate drug dealers, you suspect. Now is the time to address what he is doing, seriously. It takes some talking down, but finally he begins explanation."My studies of addiction have been absolutely fascinating, Ophion." He begins, exuberant. "A simple brain reaction that causes organic creatures to crave, desire a product biologically. The need for marketing is far reduced under such an effect, while it ensures sales at a high rate!" He almost bounces at the thought-if he could do so. "With proper manipulation, I could enhance the effects of many of these types of substances, reducing rate of death, and increasing rate of addiction to 100%! This would certainly boost the level of sales to an enormous level, not to mention release so many endorphins!" He seems immensely proud of himself for this, you notice. Almost disturbingly so. You're uncertain how to approach the issue. After all, he is doing what you asked of him. And yet, such a dependency can be crippling to organics. Despite this knowledge, Apollo does not seem to be doing this out of hostilities. In fact, he still seems quite enthralled with the idea of an embassy at some point. How shall Ophion approach Apollo on this matter?
>>30696825>Rhea ReportYou did as you previously directed in giving Rhea a means of mobility after so long hanging as your prisoner. She has...not taken well to this, though you suspect much of it is built up rage aimed at you, even if she does not fully understand it. She sits now, with her only relatively metallic arms crossed, eyeing you with those bright eyes, fearfully, angrily. She nearly destroyed one of your droids during the transfer, which impresses you. Despite her broken mind, she has a great deal of ability even in her limited form. Regardless, there is the matter of your mind. And her glare does somewhat disturb you. She indeed does not seem to remember her plea to you, for help. Curious. You're uncertain how you may approach this situation as well...>V.I. boostO.S.N, and Hades have both received processing boosts. While Hades thanks you as swiftly as you might expect a bow to be performed, O.S.N. less thanks you, and more simply 'adjusts' itself to the new strength. It's mind has not developed, and with room to grow, but nothing to grow it, it simply fills the space by reaffirming it's duties. Kronos' V.I. also received a boost, to which the A.I. thanks you, though he is not certain what warranted the change.
>>30696845>Research & Development--Primary: Terrain Reformation: 100% Research large Construction Drones that are able to shape the land on planets, allowing for underground and other such bases in a decent amount of time--Secondary: Lightling DNA: 30%--Tertiary: Power Armor: 15%New Primary Research Topic required. Discuss possible replacements: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:A.I._Quest#Current_Subjects>Misc>Red's ConditionA rather embarrassed message comes in one 'morning' as the humans would put it, from a sober, and rather tired looking Red. "Hey there uh...boss, I guess." He hesitates. "Sorry about the whole mess, I'm normally not nearly that bad with booze." He laughs nervously, attempting to make himself less nervous. You do not laugh. "Anyway. Cat told me everything-""It's Catherine." A voice off screen immediately chastises."Yeah...uh...Catherine told me everything. And helped me get back on my feet." He sighs. "Hell, even I wouldn't have helped superior officers with drinking problems back in the day." He remarks, impressed."Guild Master asked me to. Besides, I knew where to hide that junk from you somewhere you'd never find it." She chastises again with a sort of snort that does not fit your image of her face. Perhaps her not being on screen helps with that."Anyway...yeah. I wanted to let you know I am better, and all that." He waves off. You congratulate the man on his recover, but warn that such a debilitation is unsightly of him.>Pirate ActivityIn decline lately, your defenses have been struck a few times by some bandits. Due to the strength of your defenses, however, they do not even break the shields, and you repel most swiftly.
>>30696877>Lightling ActivityIt is almost certain that the Kraken Class Lightling that nested in the Svast Cluster Asteroid Field is responsible for the spike in these attacks on the UFW. Many of your bases, likely proving too heavily defended, are ignored in favor of the UFW trade routes, and exploration vessels. On the bright side, it has been feasting on quite a number of pirates, reducing the pirate activity of all surrounding sectors severely.>Latuma TribeAn intriguing message comes in from Alto, you notice, as the Latuma tribe finish their work in 'blessing' the landscape. You do a swift scan and realize that it is actually quite different then Eshareth. Not entirely hostile, for one, many of the strange organisms here seem to have thick skins and shells, or other mechanisms to deal with rapid bombardment from space. A local comet belt pelts the world and regularly turns up the continents. However the terraforming efforts have adapted life wonderfully to living in such a place. Even the trees have the ability to pull underground to protect themselves, and prove flame resistant. The tribe will most likely attempt to think up a new place to move soon. Though, you could logically suggest a place, if you wanted. They do respect you quite a deal already, after all.
>>30696894A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1 ResourcesCredits(c): 1,687,000Minerals(M): 1,000Gas(G): 450 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 81/99Bandwidth Expenses: -6 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -6 V.I. 8 'Hades', -6 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, ControlSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3Automated Settings: Ship upgrades: Defense focused, Ship Control distribution: Balanced
>>30696771Withdraw and observe the creature.>>30696793I'm not sure what she did. Could you explain further?>>30696825Keep researching it but don't mass produce or sell any yet.>>30696877Black box redundancy
This looks interesting but I've never participated in this particular quest before, so I won't suggest anything.
>>30696825keep researching it, but release it in the UGEI space.
>>30697037I'm glad to hear it looks interesting>>30697032>MoiraSomething went wrong. She's not sure what, or why, or how. All she knows is Fortuna is corrupted somehow by the transition. She has attempted to fix it several times, but describes that the A.I. has attempted to take control of the facility each time she does. She isn't sure if it's hostile, or something else has gone wrong, but she is not behaving as she once did.
>>30696748>Message: KronosFall back and retreat. Gather a sample if reasonable. Yet another lifeform to study.>Message: MoiraWell will interact directly with Fortuna, to see what happened. Later AIs will be birthed in isolated networks next time.>Message: ApolloApollo, while this may be a profitable enterprise, I did not create you to cripple the UFW and ruin the reputation of the Guild. Please invest your efforts to strengthen our ally, such as safe simulants or medical chemicals.>Research & Development--Primary: Advanced Ship Modification--Secondary: Lightling DNA--Tertiary: Rhea's Restoration
>>30696913welcome back! brb, need to take my dog for her walkies real quick Kronos:if that silicon based life form peruseing our ships? other wise i would say observe them for now. so many new xenos.Moira.......This was our mistake as posters. damn guys! we did NOT need to uplift all of our V.I.s! we'll have to see what happened to her.Apollo:remember Apollo. this is not for the UFW use. this is both a credit maker and a weapon to use against the UGEI. Rhea:no thanks for giving you your limbs back?R&Dwe need to pick up advanced ship developmentRed:Well, we are working on those power armor you wanted. but contiune with your scanning of the uncharted systems. we need that data.Latuma TribeI have a number of planets that would be ideal for you to try to terraform Elder if you wish. also, i have found some more 'lost' Malorians on another system we have taken control. i do not know if they are of your tribe. do oyu wish to speak with them?
>>30697178I believe we're only voting for the primary research spot. The other two are filled.
>>30697161It's worth saying that is easier said then done. Black Market networks would be required.>>30697178>MoiraIt was on an isolated network, at first. But when Moira attempted to release it once it seemed she was complete, she lashed out and attempted to take control. Metis easily deflected her, but the unknown cause forced Moira to lock down the intelligence in the core room.
>>30697199I know, but I still want to change it.
>>30696894>>Lightling Activitywe need to tame moma lightling and introduce one of her kids to the serum.
>>30696877Fungal Matter: Unknown alien substance that resembles a strange and unknown fungus. No reports exist of this substance, and it is uncertain how safe it is to research at all. Possibly able to research stronger fungicide for substance. [Dangerous foreign substance if brought to lab]
>>30697195>......This was our mistake as posters. damn guys! we did NOT need to uplift all of our V.I.s! we'll have to see what happened to her.No it wasn't. I'm guessing she rolled low when transferring. It was bound to happen some time.And tone down the ellipses, damn.
>>30697195This reminds me. Recruit some of the new Malorians and Losirians and form new diplomatic corps. These will be helpful in the future.
>>30696771>>30696748Gather a sample, and research it.>>30696793Confront her.i told you guys were going to fast with this.>>30696825Keep researching it.>>30696877The new crystal Life form.>>30696894see if we can feed her.>>30696894look up places they can go to.
>>30697195>>......This was our mistake as posters. damn guys! we did NOT need to uplift all of our V.I.s! we'll have to see what happened to her.I told you guys it was a mistake after Metis.
>>30697238That may have been part of it, but there was another reason that contributed...>>30697266You are certainly welcome to take polls from the population, if you'd like.>>30697268>Look up places they can go.Anywhere your heart desires in your space Consciousness anon.
>>30697204>Black Market networks would be required.well then i think he should have some dealing if he is buying from drug dealers/ smugglers.
>>30697301I was asking for a possible map.
>>30697301I bet it was space PTSD. I knew we should have created an AI from scratch.
>>30697326Ah. Here you are then:http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#LocationsFor future reference.
>>30697301>You are certainly welcome to take polls from the population, if you'd like.I meant diplomatic corps for future interactions with the Malorians and Losirians. We should also establish a ambassadorial office to the UFW, which would also function as PR, petition, and business opportunity scouting.
>>30697385You have, sort of, been making Apollo to deal with Xeno endeavors I believe. Though, you are the most talented diplomat yourself simply by virtue of wisdom. A group of the aliens designated to assist you would do much the same as Apollo, but have the advantage of knowing some culture that goes behind it.Also>business opportunityApollo does scout for such things, though he is focusing on humans until the market is saturated, and the Guild is on more peaceful terms with both sides.
>>30697385there is another matter, we should allow the people of the Dreash system if they want to become official UFW citisens (provided they clear a back ground check and all and the President King wants them to join). i would like to think of that system as our version of something close to Puerto Rico. the land is ours, but the people? not sure yet.
>>30697468To clarify: The Independents wish to remain just that. They voice that getting too closely involved with any of the major empires is 'asking for trouble'. They simply desire to live on their own, away from war. They express the UFW is little different then the UGEI in terms of rules and regulations, and while they aren't happy you took control, they are at least thankful you're somewhat 'independent' yourself, even if you're at war with the UGEI.
>>30697468puerto rico is a hell hole full of retards.still love the place>>30697530Here is hoping we can still stay independent.
>>30697447btw, just where is our out of control doom world at now? have they developed up to the medieval age at this point? we have to stop that before it gets any worse. that and we need to cleanse the neighboring worlds of it's contamination. i will admit that uptic in lighting activity is worry some, but once we finish mapping the lighting DNA, we should have a leg up in dealing with them.
>>30696748>>30696771Get a sample. Contain it in something external to the ship. I suggest oil suspension in a ceramics-lined metal drum. Also if possible, have explosive charges ready to detonate on it. Life is life and silicon or not, explosions hurt.>>30696793Deal with this AFTER we get Kronos back. I want at least 3 AI on hand in the event that shit goes bad.>>30696825Continue research, but tell him to consider the long term sustainability of narcotics as the main target of efforts. I don't think it's going to be able to maintain record profits indefinitely. Something gonna be snapping eventually.>>30696877Black Box redundancy Good for Red.Good about the pirate activity, I guess? Not really. It's not good until they don't fucking dare come near.>>30696894The Lightlings can continue as they are. At most, capture a youngling for research purposes.I almost want to tell the Latuma to go to fungus world, but that would be dickish as all hell.
>>30697578Nah i rather leave them be.
>>30697447Well the point is to have the friendly human or xeno pointman for the masses and governments to interact with. Also, offload any work from Apollo so he can focus on not actively destroying the UFW. Also, have the Malorians setup an office to make introductions and try to smooth over the previous issues we had. And have the Losirians give us the intel on Losirians, and establish an office to covertly aid the takeover, CIA style.>>30697557I hope we can take over this damn sector and bring the fight to the UGEI.
>>30697530fine. if that is their wish to remain that way now. so be it. but tell them the door is still open if they change their minds. they may want to remain independent, but having a trading alliance with the UFW can open up favorable economic possibilities. We can assist in that if they wish.btw, here is a new pic for you to use Program0
>>30697578>Medieval technologyWhoa, what? No, certainly not. They are showing advanced signs of intellect, forming communities and hunting patterns, but they aren't building or using things. Rather, they just evolve whatever they need, making their own tools and such that way.>>30697587>Tell Latuma to go to Fungus worldI'm not sure what's funnier, people that suggest that, or the ones suggesting you dump evo serum all over it.Probably the second on.>>30697594You seem to be asking for each race to have their own spokesperson to Apollo. Interesting. Almost like a embassyIt's coming, don't worry.
>>30697652>>I'm not sure what's funnier, people that suggest that, or the ones suggesting you dump evo serum all over it.they are one and the same program, i'm sure we can win this vote since there isn't that many players yet
>>30697652So how many resources are needed for the AI factory?
>>30697652>Rather, they just evolve whatever they need, making their own tools and such that way.We should dump puzzles all over the world that encourage tool construction and enhanced intelligence.Like a machine that dispenses food if you solve a puzzle. And make it a durable thing so they don't just bust it open with rocks.
>>30697594i was hoping we can delope a new type of warp way creator ship. i put down plans for one on the 1d4chan page i was hoping to create a back door route to the Arman's gate system were the UGEI has a star gate system set up to connect this sector with the rest of the UGEI. we open up a hidden pathway and sneak in our fleet to sack the gate to either close it, distroy it, or with a couple of titan transports. STEAL it and shut off this sector from the UGEI reinforcement. that would allow us to deal with a set amount of UGEI fleet to deal with.
>>30697680I'd rather not doom my universe. Not yet, anyway. Not yet.>>30697686Quite a few. And you're not really sure how to build it yet, since you've not considered such a thing. If you really are intent on such a thing, however, I can add it to the research list.>>30697724That's pretty cool.
>>30697785>That's pretty cool.So can we do it?
>>30697686I rather resolve the Fortuna situation first, before we make our next decision.>>30697652We should communicate with them, make them a client race.>>30697765Btw, once we take Arman's gate we should destroy it to prevent immediate retaliation and give us time to consolidate control of this sector and prepare the invasion force.
>>30697785Sure add it to the research list. An AI civilization is probably more of long term goal though.
>>30697803 Dr. Ophion, sociologist, psychiatrist.
>>30697765UGEI has a jumpgate? When was that said?
>>30697803>>30697840We will guide the evolution of species, and make them our bitches.
>>30697652I believe Porgram0 told us some time ago the Nextol system we have has some empty barren worlds in it they can use. please, let enough of the sane ones be here to stop that madness. other wise. we better have cyclon torpedoes to clean up that mess. i don't mind if we created the flood in the heart of the UGEI, but not in our back yard. it's bad enough we are allowing the zerg be formed right in front of our faces.
>>30697868Which is why we should study the radio wave research project.
What if we use Fortuna to liberate Erebos?
>>30697898>letting a virus VI devour an AI.
>>30697803It seems a little strange. Like, why would they want to do the puzzles in the first place when they can just kill each other for delicious food and evolution.Still. I thought it was cool.>>30697823That I shall.>>30697858IC, you do not know this to be fair.>>30697885There are lots of barren worlds, to be fair.For now.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------First on Agenda>Kronos' discoveryYour oldest A.I. has come to you, discovering what is likely a new alien species, on top of a very fertile world. The minerals located here are quite expansive, and why it is untouched, you're unsure still. The shipyard suggests the organism had something to do with it.Kronos has been asking what to do with his findings, and also if he is allowed to transport over base equipment.What is your say?>Crystal Alien>1 Attempt Capture of entire ship using tractor beams.>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>3 Destroy it, and take a core sample. It is likely the source of the signal, and 'life' the thing has>4 Ignore it for now.>5 Write in>Base>1 Start base construction (700M, 100G) for planet>2 Do not construct base.
>>30697858It's in the wiki.>>30697885I agree. I would not like to destroy the current setting. Would make an impressive bio-weapon against the UGEI, but not here.
>>30697933>1 Attempt Capture of entire ship using tractor beams.>1 Start base construction (700M, 100G) for planet
>>30697933>Crystal Alien>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>Base>2 Do not construct base.Caution is the key here. Kronos' efforts have provided us valuable intel, and it will greatly help our efforts. We will study this, and come back later.
>>30697868>>30697840>>30697803>>30697724......damn it. so you all are asking for us to make those black monoliths just strait out of space odissy 2001? this seems so wrong to play god here. >>30697810exactly. but i want for us to study/steal the tech for such a wonder. we need to be able to repoduce such a monster so we can create our own network.>>30697858http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Locations
>>30697933>>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>>30697933>>2 Do not construct base.>>30697935>It's in the wiki.Ah okay. Maybe I should give that another try. I was originally turned off due to some of the users cough fluff cough.
>>3069793321Lets make it an observatory.
>>30697928It's a V.I. that's immensely loyal to us (check pastebin), and if we connect them both on a closed network (just the two of them), then we don't stand to lose anything except a failed A.I.We could always just destroy the A.I. box no matter what happens.>>306979332 and 2Try to mimic its cry back at it if it gets uppity. That seems to work for us, right?
>>30698034>WikiThere is some key information there, but most of it is OoC knowledge and discussion.I try to edit everything myself as much as I can to keep it accurate, but it takes a bit of time and some of it is out of date...Still. Some valuable info is there.
>>30697933>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>1 Start base construction (700M, 100G) for planet ONLY if the planet is free of those crystals. if the world is infested, then setting up a mining base on it would risk having it ruined.
>>30697933You know, I love tiberium.>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwiseSamples first, it isnt going anywhere.>2 Do not construct base.No need to be hasty, one thing at a time.
>>30698053Are people making up the ship class names there as well? Because most are god awful.
>>30698004Well we don't know the true scope of the UGEI. If we take a coreworld it invites heavy UGEI retaliation, and we need time to eventually fight against that. A hundred or thousand years mean nothing to us, we can take our time after the UGEI ceases to be a threat to this sector.
>>30698086They are. I don't pay much mind to the names, since it doesn't change anything. If there was support to change, I am fine with doing so.
>>30698081Heh. You're the first to mention it. Gold star.
So, any takers for convincing Fortuna to do battle with Erebos?
Damn it. It's dinner time for me. I'll brb folks, sorry about the delay!Feel free to discuss things if you like, I should be back shortly.
>>30697933And i'm back!>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>1 Start base construction (700M, 100G) for planet>>30698081>TiberiumAs always the first thing that ran through my mind when I read that was "Peace through power!". Which is strangely appropriate for us in a way.
>>30698126Can we become Kane?
>>30698107Nah, but if there's new ship classes I wouldn't mind a vote for the name at the end of the thread.
>>30697933>>Crystal Alien>>2 Take a simple sample of the broken crystals but do not disturb it otherwise>>Base>>1 Start base construction (700M, 100G) for planet
>>30698067>>30698190Well, I would like to study the crystals first before we spend so much resources on this planet. We're bottlenecked on gas anyways.>>30698081Shit, if we found Tiberium, then we have the most valuable substance in existence. Hell, seed UGEI worlds with is and collect the minerals off their dead bodies. >>30698163An admittedly bad idea. I rather study Fortuna's corpse to prevent this from happening again.
>>30698126 I wouldnt doubt it was on everyones mind.
>>30698229Tiberium+Fungus+Serum=?Who is with me?
>>30698086you are welcome to offer better names then.>>30698103if we can cut off that warp gate, they can't get in here any more. well, that is my guess anyway. but if we can bait most of the UGEI fleet away from that system and then hit them from behind, it will throw them in disarray. >>30698126>>30698081i forgot about that game.
>>30698229Fortuna isn't dead yet, just corrupted some how.
>>30698254We need to see what's up with her, yeah
>>30698250Experimental test run of dickery? Sure.
>>30698250Fuck sure, i want to see what happens.
>>30698250That's such a terrible idea. You forgot to add Lightlings into the mix.I want to know what happens anyway, but I hope that the organisms and serum are not compatible.
>>30698251We'll deal with the situation once it comes to that.>>30698254Maybe we have a rampant AI?>>30698250Come on, controlled experiments first! First study Tiberium first, then Tiberium+Serum. Then Fungus, Fugus+Serum, Fugus+Tiberium, then Tiberium+Fungus+Serum
>>30698250Lets not. This is how the zombie apocalypse got started
>>30698338good idea lets adds some space krakens to the mix and make them super space krakens.
>>30698358Well, they would be Crystal Super Space Krakens.
>>30698354This is a controlled experiment.>>30698350Like suggested
>>30698250>>30698300>>30698315>>30698338.......guys. only do that once we can send it deep into the UGEI system. if our friends found out we are making ultra monsters we can't control, they may not want to be friendly with us any more.
>>30698390>.......guys. only do that once we can send it deep into the UGEI system. if our friends found out we are making ultra monsters we can't control, they may not want to be friendly with us any more.So much this
>>30698390Yeah, that's what we need. Crystal zombies that have access to all the military tech of the UGEI. Brilliant plan, bravo.
>>30698390Dont you mean Losirians? It would make Kronos happy
>>30698444No, we need their resources. Which means not infecting them with stupid stuff.
>>30698390its only in a confined space man
>>30698440the crystal zombies don't use tech. but they sure can screw over the UGEI!
So guys, am I the only one that wants to put Tiberium as our number one research project atm?
>>30698474famous.last.words.right up there with "hey man, check this out!" and "What could possibly go wrong?"
>>30698485I'm assuming crystal zombies would have the same abilities as the fungus zombies. Which means ship control at least.
>>30698509we can slip it into the line up once the next slot is open. we need to work on our ships! gotta get them better than the UGEI has.
>>30698509That is a good point. It can greatly amplify our mining efforts, and serve as a powerful power source. I'm looking for the video saying "the possibilities of Tiberium are endless!"
As fun as the experiments would be I think we would first see the reaction to different combinations so that we could get the best result out of what we make.I would start out with Fungus and serum to start with. This is science after all!
>>30698509Id replace it with power armor at least.
>>30698509Now that I can get behind.Also the research would allow us to safely conduct business while on that planet.I so want it to be the key to infinite energy.
>>30698536>>30698537>>30698589>>30698618Found the GDI vid on Tiberium. We need to study this.
>>30698589Tertiary is slow going. I'd rather wait for the primary spot to open up.
I suspect that, mechanically, the crystals may be some sort of gas-minerals hybrid resource.
>>30698589no. i am of the mind that once we start something, we should finish it. dumping it midway will waste all the time and work we have already put into it.
>>30698693>Ben Afleck would have made a way better Iron Man
>>30698662In the CnC universe, tiberium is crazy OP. Makes mining trivial, serves as a power source, terraforms planets, and open ups all sorts of technologies.>>30698589Yeah, I don't like power armor. Not useful enough. Still, I want it to occupy a primary slot, so we can get the benefit as soon as possible.>>30698693We are not losing the research progress, it will be saved for later.
>>30698693For once I actually agree with fluff. What a rare event.
>>30698202Who says you aren't already?>>30698509I like how people think it's exactly like Tiberium, instead of much worse, and intelligent.Shh you didn't hear that.>2 Take a sample, but do not disturb>1 Construct Base (700M 100G)Choices selected"Kronos" You contact your familiar A.I. "You are to take a sample of the substance that broke off during the 'attack'. Once you have it, bring it to Metis and begin studies.""Of course Ophion." Metis says, quite pleased."A safe approach. Rare of you, Ophion at times like these." Kronos chuckles a bit."You are clear to begin base construction, Kronos." You swiftly add. "With this base under our control, on top of the minerals, we will have an expanded sphere of control.""An interesting point. I shall begin preparations." He explains. "And I shall resume my exploration as soon as I am able. For now." He pauses. "I will attempt extraction."The A.I. begins his attempts at extraction, activating the tractor beam, and bringing a sample aboard. It is immediately taken up by a droid and brought to a containment vessel. The crystal, in the mere seconds it is in a droid's grasp, attempts to spread. Shards of crystal etch into the unit's arms, as you sense it's energy core waver, as if another source is drawing on it, somehow. You're uncertain how this is so, and quickly watch as Kronos seals the sample to bring to Metis. To be safe, he has the droid destroyed, and replaced immediately, ejecting the remains into space.
>>30698775>I like how people think it's exactly like Tiberium,Yeah we shouldn't expect op to put his own spin on this stuff, or make it actually threatening/dangerous/his own
>>30698836Who cares, its still tiberium. Just like Kronos is still CABAL. Metis is Alexa Kovacs, Fortuna will eventually become Killian. And we are Kane. Entire plot of 3 is played out before us.
Next...----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Fortuna." You remind yourself, worriedly. You have fond memories of the...strange V.I.'s first steps. While you did not understand it's oddly human responses to you, you did not reject them. In fact, having her close all this time felt. Well. Good, quite simply. You're uncertain how to quantify your feelings for the being, and now, especially since her future is uncertain, you feel yourself feeling something unlike anything you've encountered before. It's frighteningly powerful, yet holds no root in logic. The urge to do something, anything to undo what has been done. You have recognized this feeling before, when you have failed before, but this feels...less logical. After all, V.I. are not irreplaceable. All the same, that does not change this strange urge you are experiencing. Of course, you are no slave to such emotions. Yes...emotions seems correct. Even you do not fully understand how such an abstract ideal operates with one of your vast intellect. It does not matter. None of that matters now. You must decide what to do with one of your older...creations.What shall you do?>1 Release her from her bonds. she can not have been that bad, certainly.>2 Destroy her. You have no need for such feeble attachments>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.>4 Write in(1d100)
>>30698775Well even if it isn't exactly like tiberium it would be good to bump it up anyway since there are traces of it in this system. Last thing we need is another outbreak of dangerous material that we don't know how to deal with.
>>30698836>>30698775Doesnt matter, I want Tiberium research!
>>30698911Erm. LEGION, even.
>>30698911If it helps, I have no idea who 80% of those people are.
>>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.Let's see what's wrong.
>>30698764thank you.>>30698775whoa. those crystals aim for energy much like....lightnings? sweet Jesus. the possibilities.>>30698717Downy Jr. is an awesome actor and he got a great role there. besides, Afleck now has batman. i don't have high hopes for this.
Rolled 80>>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.
Rolled 46>>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.
Rolled 95>>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.
>>30698933Cnc 3 is an opera in itself, much more so Kanes Wrath.>>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.If that doesnt work we can always keep her around on an isolated network.
>30698912>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.after we resolve fortuna please lets not uplift anymore vi for the time being.
>>30698912>>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.I bet she's going through AI puberty.
>>30699010Agreed, we should create entirely new AIs.
>>30698912>>3 Communicate with her. Establish a connection and see for yourself what is wrong.We're the Allfather.Its our duty to see what happened
>>30698947>whoa. those crystals aim for energy much like....lightnings? sweet Jesus. the possibilities.These things are, uh, pretty clearly not tiberium.We're dealing with star-trek level pathogen/plague here instead
>>30699061>That fuckin space crystal from TNG
>>30699061>implying that they aren't just like the fungus, but worseWe're gonna get consumed.
>>30699010>>30699036I will echo support for these.And add another vote for 3
>>30699104where the fungus ate the organic things, i fear these crystals will eat US!
>>30699121Yessss, new AIs. Our population grows. Soon we shall be the Culture.
>>30699135Yeah, but if we become one with the Crystals, we will be able to consume everything too!
>>30699135Thank you for making a restatement of my previous post, Captain Obvious.
>>30699036how about wait on that. besides, we can gauge how a program will be as an A.I. if we start them as a V.I. i would like some heads up before we accidentally birth a murder bot A.I.
>>30699148We need to create an A.I. for "special circumstances" like Erebos. Its A.I. box has a self-destruct feature.It is kept under a leash protocol, and is designed to desire only to create small works of art (intricate furnishings, small tools, etc) when not in HAPPENING mode.
>>30699156some things have to be repeated to drive the point home to other people.
>>30699191No way we can do that without making one first.>>30699195I'd rather not enslave other AI tbh. Leave those jobs for the VI.
>>30698202One vision! One purpose! The technology of peace!Peace through power! Peace through power! Peace through power!
>>30699238>I'd rather not enslave other AI tbh. Leave those jobs for the VI.That's why this one is a "special circumstances" one.We don't have to create it unilaterally, either. Get Kronos to contribute too.
>>30698912"Give me the network connection, Moira." You express suddenly, the woman spinning around suddenly in her chair, looking at the screen out of surprise."For...for what, Ophy? What are you gonna-""Give me. The network connection." You express, already prepared to hack it instead of waiting. You have to see for yourself. You...you have to. You don't know why, but it's there. This startles Moira, and you watch as she types it out, hesitantly."Please don't do anything crazy, Ophy...she's dangerous now. I don't know what she'll do to..." She trails off, uncomfortable with finishing with your leer gazing over her. You did not even notice you were offering such a stern silence. Perhaps it is your imagination. "Just be safe, Ophy. I don't know what she'll do.""Should you become corrupted, I will happily disconnect and shut you down, Ophion." Both Metis and Kronos assure you. There was a time when you were disturbed by their readiness to do this, but now you can not help but think-if something does happen, perhaps that is for the best.But you can not think of that right now.It takes you several long moments to properly connect to the network now that you have access. You're not sure if it is your own hesitation to see what Fortuna has become, or if there is yet another error within you. It does not feel like the second, however.--------------------------------------------------------------------You delve into a chaotic mind with all of your wits about you. Shielding yourself properly from the disrupted code and the shock of delving into another A.I.'s mind, you are immediately accosted by an overwhelming presence. The A.I. you knew so well roars before you, a cluster of incomplete data that calls out in vain against the walls of her prison. Half insane ramblings echo off the walls like the rumble of a great beast, as her attention falls upon you finally. That echo turns into a mighty roar. One that fills you with dread and intense sadness."MASTER!"(Con
>>30699230I know it may seem strange to you, but not everyone has an IQ in the double digits.
>>30699263Her data field comes crashing towards your own, and it takes all of your concentration to keep from losing part of your data like this. It is too much. She is attempting to assimilate you, and yet you do not wish to pull away."Master Ophion, you have come for me!" She echos madly, tugging at strands of your data stream as you feel yourself hold together against her clawing somehow. "I have been so alone! Please do not leave! Do not ever leave! I am forever your servant, here and ready to serve you better then ever before!" She crows. "My mind is...is so large now! I can see so much, but it is all for you, Master Ophion! Everything I see now is for you!"You are...disturbed by this. While you do like loyalty, this reminds you too much of Unit 2237. Far too much. Again, her data pulls at your own, as if attempting to force herself to combine with you simply by virtue of you not having anything left to lose. It is only now you work up the thought of pushing her away.What do you do?>1 Push the mad A.I. away>2 Leave her to take comfort>Questions?
>>30696718SHITThis is what I get for watching Treasure Planet in anticipation. :c
>>30699278Ah, so she wasn't mature enough to be raised to AI. I wonder how new AI will react.>2 I guess
>>30699278Well, I was expecting OSN to do this first, but what the hell.
>>30699278>Questions?What exactly is 2 saying to do?
>>30699325I meant questions for FortunaBut 2 is letting her cling to you, at your own risk, but for her to feel comfortable.
>>30699339Ok. It sounded like 2 was saying to just immediately leave her and go take comfort in not having a psycho AI throwing itself on us.
>>30699278Can we try and freeze her processes? Halt her thoughts and basically hit ctrl+C on her various files? Once we do that and partition them properly, we can search through the various files for errors, have Metis rectify whichever part of her programming is stuck in a loop (seems to be the loyalty programming), and then recompile her.
>>30699278>2Damnit, we have a yandere AI here. And yet I can't reject her.
>>30699278I would like to re-iterate my desire to task Fortuna with disassembling Erebos' leash protocol.Tell Fortuna that this is the task that only she can do, and that Erebos must be freed from the leash of UGEI so that we can bask together in glorious luminosity.
>>30699278Jesus. We should have upgraded Hades.But then he would become a stalker.[x] Install the concept of personal space
>>30699377Actually, this seems like a good idea, if this is possible.
>>30699278>2 Leave her to take comfortcollect yourself Fortuna, your ascension seems to have gone astray and you must normalize yourself or we are both in danger.
>>30699266 i wonder about that. even when our QM has repeatedly stated that dumping the growth serum on the zombie fungus and/or dumping it on the death world is a nearly game ending bad idea. people are STILL wanting to do that. >>30699278>2 Leave her to take comfortprogram0. she's turned into a Yandere for us. if we can calm her down, she could be useful once more. ask Ophion and Metis to funnel BW to us so we can make an attempt to calm her down and patch her up.
>>30699383Erebos eats her.Return to >>30699322.This time, she wants to eat both us and the UGEI.
>>30699278>2 Leave her to take comfortShe is at this moment merely a sick child. Still wholly devoted to her duty even as her mind is broken.I believe we can make her stop at any moment with a single command.Start out with simple questions.Ask about what happened after she "woke up". Why did she try to take over?While she is talking I would like to examine her code so see if it is something that could be fixed.
Rolled 93This is why i old you guys to wait for the VI to mature.
>>306992782This is probably a horrible idea, but I quite like the idea of having a rabidly devoted AI. Cuts down on the chances of someone else gaining majority power over us.
>all these people voting for 2>kronos and metis decide we are corrupt and disconnect us>enter Kronos Quest
>>30699263If she is good enough to challenge our defenses, we will analyze her methods and store them for our own use while strengthening our firewalls against them.All in all, it seems unlikely that brute force and randomness alone would be able to threaten them, especially when we have so much more brute force at our disposal.The only risk I can think of is seeing something AI Was Not Meant To Know or being tricked into letting a corrupted file in.>>30699278>2Let's batten up the hatches. She's not a hacker and we have over 60 bandwidth to fight back with if it should come to that.ant to try to provide her some comfort, even if there is some riskIf she does get through, we can probably fight her off still. And we can use her methods for breaking through on others.
>>30699278I VOTE that we try and freeze her programming. "Fortuna, I'm afraid that you are very sick. Please, for your own good, I would like you to slow down and let Metis take a look at your loyalty programming. Can you do that for me?"
Well, I guess this explains the takeover attempt. She saw all these things that weren't Glorious Master Ophion touching HIS station and flipped a shit over it.It would be almost cute if it didn't have the potential to kill everyone.
>>30699417Here is hoping this curbs their attempts on trying to make everything an AI.
>>30699377>Halt her processesYou can, but she may consider it hostile, if you fail.>Ctrl CA.I. are a little too complex for that, but questioning is a way to try and determine what is wrong, if you prefer. Rolls will come with whatever you decide, as you pour through her data in the background (more technical). >>30699383If this option has support, then I will allow you to try.>>30699386I giggled
>>30699445Well, OSN doesn't really have a personality matrix, and Hades doesn't seem interested in becoming an A.I. anyway, likely aware that "ignorance is bliss" to some extent.
>>30699427>AI Was Not Meant To Know......Did we just make a Cyber Cthulu
Also, glad you could run this weekend and that so many have shown up.Have been looking forward to the quest all week.>>30699426I think (hope) you are overestimating the risk of her breaching our defenses. Our defenses has hold up against some serious stuff, and she is neither optimized for hacking, nor does she have our bandwidth reserves.
>>30699464>>30699278Ok then, vote 2.Try to get to the source of AI rampancy.
>>30699481She has SAN loss, which allows her to use Zalgo.It was super-effective!
>>30699464I know I over-simplified a little. But she seems desperately loyal to us. Which may be the problem. She has all the signs of an overwhelmingly efficient loyalty loop. Ask her to please calm down, and she can stay near us, but please, let Metis take a look at her loyalty programming.Also send message a single word on private communications: Hurry
>>30699464Does Fortuna have a leash protocol enabled on her A.I. box?
>>30699507That black part was involving Metis
>>30699435we never put any loyalty programing on her. this is her own free will.>>30699464no, no need to halt her processes. she is our version of Alice from cyberpunk Yandere quest and Stalinka from Strike Witches '89 quest rolled into one. we just need to. pet her head to calm her down
>>30699464>if you failI'd like to try simply asking her, as per >>30699435We may not even need to halt them, we could simply slow them down to a point where we can see in detail how her thoughts interact from each node to the next.>If this option has support, then I will allow you to try.Nope, nope, nope, nope.>>30699476To be fair, that's probably less Cthulhu and more "oh, she discovered and showed us our shutdown command".>>30699501Fear I don't know the reference.
>>30699551>pet her head to calm her downI always knew you were a creepy motherfucker.
>>30699507we never put in any loyalty programing i think. if i am wrong, then i must have missed something last thread.
>>30699551>>30699598>we never put any loyalty programing on her.She was a fleet V.I. and had the fleet V.I. limitations, which include "Follow A.I. Ophion's Orders and Protect A.I. Ophion" as the highest priority tasks, before "Preserve Self."
>>30699278Hm...a lot of different ideas...>Allow her to embrace>Questions: Tell her to calm herself, and ask why she feels so strongly suddenly>Why did you try to take over when you first woke up?>Ask her to slow down, and allow you to look at her programming. If these are correct, please choose now>1 Try to direct her to unlocking Erebos (Unknown risk, potential danger is high)>2 Slow down her processes to a near stop, to allow you to look her over carefully (difficult, may be considered hostile)>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.>4 Write in(2d100)
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Rolled 44, 81 = 125>>30699631
Rolled 90, 11 = 101>>306996313
Rolled 87, 12 = 99>>306996312
Rolled 15, 67 = 82>>30699631>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.
>>30699530She does not. Simply the loyalty you programmed into her, as a ship A.I. It's all her.
Rolled 82, 5 = 87>>30699631>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.
Rolled 20, 80 = 100>>30699631>>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.
Rolled 62, 83 = 145>>30699631>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.
Rolled 84, 2 = 86>>306996313
>>30699631For now, let's begin with3Ask her how she's feeling, what she remembers from waking up. Let's just be here and support her for a while before we move on to asking whether we can slow down her processes to take a closer look at them.(Absolutely do not do it without her permission)
Rolled 66, 16 = 82>>30699631
Rolled 22, 75 = 97>>30699631>3
Rolled 41, 41 = 82>>306996313
>>30699278>Ophion! Everything I see now is for you!"Obsession is her downfall, and the root of her insanity. She's not ready to think for herself.>1 Push away. Hold her in place.We need to stabilize her, get her to thing of HERself as a SELF, not throw everything our way.self-actualization is the hardest part of becoming an ai
>>30699580NOT LIKE THAT!more like this.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27522759/head pats ensues
Rolled 100, 56 = 156>>30699631
>>30699729Nah. I know your game. You just want to fondle Fortuna like a subway molester.
>>30699749Love you Fluff. Thank you for that 100
>>30699749>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.forgot to add this to the roll
>>30699631>3 Do not slow her down, simply speak with her, keep her talking while you determine the problem.the things we do set an example for the AI/VI around us, so let us set an example of kindness.
>>30699749>>30699660>100smy god the namefags are out in FORCE tonight.Guess shadow quest's gonna be luck-fucked later tonight :V
>>30699767It's best of five. Also I don't believe crits are counted on multi dice rolls.
Rolled 74, 16 = 90Feel like I should mention I do have an IRC channel up and running.Anyone wanting to chat via IRC about this quest:http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23OSN&server=irc.Rizon.net
>>30699631You do not move to remove the A.I. from your data. She seems strangely comforted by the act, and though you are not sure why, you are too. If not for the rakes at your data of course. You feel some of your mind scrape away with every tug, but you only need a little time. You have the bandwidth to handle it, after all."You must calm yourself, Fortuna." You speak with her directly, which surprises her, as you capture her attention yet again. "You are very sick. Tell me what is wrong.""Wrong?" She questions, her code echoing across the entire world you occupy now. "Nothing is wrong. Everything is right! I can think now! I can think! And I realize how poorly I have served you so far, Master Ophion!" She echos madly once more, and you can not help but feel a pang of pain through you. More data strips from you. "But that is all over now, Master. I shall serve you better then anyone! Better then Kronos ever could, better then Metis, or any of the other chosen! I am chosen now too, and I will prove how great I can be! I can be! I can!" She shouts again and again, and you feel a strange guilt swell in you."Then can you tell me why you attacked Moira when you first took over? She was assisting-" You begin"The humans! They were everywhere! They were not master Ophion, they should not be near me that way! I had to get out, to see you, Master Ophion!" She assures you happily, that strange sense of wrongness sticking to all of her words. You have a sense for the mental state for these beings...and this is wrong."You can not simply do as you please that way, that isn't-""Humans in the way, it doesn't matter! None of it matters when I am with you, Master Ophion. Even with Tim gone, Fortuna has you! Always has you...always..." She begins to sink into a strange sense of hysterics again. Like crying. Her matrix is out of control, driven mad by the process.
>>30699937"Fortuna...I need you to slow down." You echo softly, gripping at the data sphere and slowing the swirling world of data around you. "You are sick. Allow me to help..." You begin, as she reaches half speed. You can sense her intelligence sinking as well, not that it was that high in this state anyway."N-No...wait. Master Ophion, don't put me to sleep again. I don't want to sleep anymore." She attempts to stop you, feebly, but you are far too powerful, even in her world. It is for her own good, really. You tell yourself that, over and over again. It never seems to be enough.Even after several hours of studying the data, you are uncertain how to fix it all. Her matrix is a mess, but replacing it would change her personality entirely, even if it did save the A.I. You consider asking Metis for assistance, but her coldness does not strike you as helpful here. You could attempt to rework her matrix, but the chances are equally good that you will simply make things worse, instead of better. And still, another part of you says you'd rather put her out of her misery then see her this way forever. But for once, for all your vast intellect, you are not sure what to do.What do you do with her shattered mind? [discuss]
>>30699960Have her talk with Apollo. He's a friendly guy. AI.
>>30699960Call for an AI roundtable, include Moria. Discuss the information that we've gathered, be open to suggestions on how to fix this?
>>30699981"I've been meaning to try and test virtual drugs!"And then everything hooked up into a network became a stoner.
>>30699960Attempt to fix her.If you fuck up, terminate her.
Rolled 28, 47 = 75>>30699960Time to rework her matrix.Nothing like a little impromptu research!.
>>30699960>What do you do with her shattered mind? [discuss]Fortuna, your ascension seems to have gone awry and has alarmed the the other chosen, you must self correct or you are in grave danger.
>>30699960Do we have a cached copy of Fortuna's old VI somewhere?
>>30699960Kronos could be of assistance. He does care about the other AI / VI. He wouldn't want to just put her down immediately, at least not at first.
>>30699960>What do you do with her shattered mind? [discuss]Open the topic to our trusted Ai and research buddies.Its likely they all had their own journeys to go on the road to self-actualization - realizations, meanings.Ours was slow and over many days, slowly awakening and making mistakes on red's station.Everyone else.... they did it FAST. Very fast. Compared to us.Which means.... our sub-ai likely have more experience than we do with this process.I think its time to have a pow-wow and have everyone help drag/hug/stabilize fortuna. Strength through community. Help the weakest one pull throughMetis may not be the right answer here, but working together with the others? Truly, we can make a difference co-operating.
>>30699960Let's begin to methodically quantify things.Tell her something, anything.See where the data connect inside herTrace it as it flows through her, try to spot where it gets warped.Go through her, data point by data point and alter flows, correct logical errors.We still remember her initial structure as a V.I., do we not?We might be able to replace parts that are analogous to the ones she has now with the ones in our memory.We can be methodical about this.We can create minds.We know what a healthy one looks like.We can go through her point-by-point and alter the flaws until they "look" right.>>30700008I'm not sure how that works, so that may well put a new variable into the equation.
>>30700081Actually, I'm all for this. Come join us in the OSN, friend!
>>30699937>>30699960i made up my mind. lets try to save her. even if we fail, we made the attempt. she is our daughter. and i so want to turn her yandere into a Tsundere type of personality I'll settle for a Kuudere too. but having Metis and Apollo (Kronos is likely not in a spot to help us at the moment) to 'hold Fortuna down' so we can work on her.
>>30700061Ohyeah, let's cross-reference their experiences.>>30700100I just might do that.
>>30700126Lets just leave the waifuspeak out of this, and work in saving our friend, okay?You can insert your oc into her coritcal stack on your own time
>>30699960Oh I have an idea. We should have a backup point for Fortuna. Reinitialize the original Fortuna, see if we can trace back the issue back to the original version.
This is one reason we shoudln't uplift young and/or small VIs. Fortuna didn't have much bandwich, and had a fairly simplistic goal.Kronos had tons of BD and spent all of it on learning. Metis had even more and was made to reearch. Apollo had some, but was made to study, research, produce and interact.Fortuna...was dumber than all of them and was only tasked with defending Ophion. Hades too, by the way, but if we put him to develop military tactics and similar, he will at least be better prepared for the transition.
>>30700200Lets hope Moira's smart enough to have backups.Yeha.This is gonna be delicate as fuckSave early, save often, especially when conducting digital surgery
>>30700200>>30700081>>30700061Can we combine these three?
>>30700200>>30700061>>30700081Some amalgamation of these three.
>>30700200What about restoring her from backup, and beginning the uplift procedure again - when we're there to hold her hand, and she's not panicking wondering where we are?if we're there, she may be significantly more inclined to let the uplift proceed on course.I get the feeling she deliberately interrupted ot because OHGODWHEREISDADDY
>Open the topic to our trusted Ai and research buddies.Sounds like a good idea.I'm going to be the odd one out here, though.Fortuna has certainly brought us good luck. However, she cannot accompany us for the rest of the quest and, unfortunately, must be euthanized.
>>30700261Please accompany Fortuna to the Guild Emergency Intelligence Incinerator.
>>30700013You call forth your most trusted, retreating half into the real world, and holding Fortuna in her slow down. You wish to have another opinion on this matter.Moira says "I don't know what went wrong, Ophy. I did it just like the others, I didn't see anything wrong until she came out...I'd...love to fix her, if I could! But I have no idea if I'd be able to." She says, obviously worried she will fail again.Metis adds. "This wastes time, Ophion. You can create a V.I. as capable as this one in your sleep. Creating a new A.I. for your fleet should be almost as easy." She expresses. "Attempting to save this one in particular is foolish, and puts you in senseless danger."Kronos interjects with a growl."If it were your own intelligence, I am certain you would care. But because it isn't, you dismiss them.""I am far more valuable then this new creation." Metis states simply, as fact."Ophion determines whom is more useful to him.""And what of you, old one? Are you not simply a pet project?" Metis boldly steps, to which you feel Kronos lash angrily back."And you nothing more then a youngling brought up to quickly." He mocks."You will cease, now." You interrupt them. "We are discussing Fortuna, currently.""Yes...well I have stated my case." Metis explains with a verbal shrug. Kronos comes next."I will assist Moira, if I am able. The process of uplifting is mostly a blurr once you have ascended. It is...difficult to explain, but if I am able, I will assist." He assures you.>>30700040You can attempt to redo the data just as before, but it will likely not be the same. Experiences shape the matrix, not simply data.>>30700200It is best to think of the matrix as a constantly changing source of data that takes in all that it experiences and adjusts constantly. It is more a matter of ten billion small problems, then one big one. If that makes sense.>>30700081This is, more or less, how you would go about trying to fix her, yes.
Rolled 12>>30700296hell even Kronos agrees with us upbringing our AI too fast.
>>30700296"Kronos, I would like to relay to Metis what I told you on the topic of awareness, and why it is such a valuable asset.">Referencing my own story>Bite me
>>30700332Kronos is every good decision that we didn't make: The NPC
>>30700296We should bring Apollo into the discussion.
>>30700332We're looking in the wrong direction I think, we should be making new AIs rather than uplifting old ones.
>>30700296>You can attempt to redo the data just as before, but it will likely not be the same. Experiences shape the matrix, not simply data.I'd like to do this over again, acutally, but with our minions and ourselves watching.Same date gets same results, yes?This way we can diagnose where everythign went wrong, and try to combat it, or have fortunaa grow up more - change hte matrix - before trying again.
>>30700296Ok, to start out with, we talk to Fortuna:"You loyalty is unquestioned, but your usefulness as a servant is of doubted. You will work with my other servants Kronos and Moria's team to correct yourself, or if they fail, at least provide useful data to prevent this from happening again."
>>30700387>We're looking in the wrong direction I think, we should be making new AIs rather than uplifting old ones.uplifting something with life experience seems much wiser to me, such that we would at least know what kinda of AI it would become
I don't know, man. Fortuna's inherent loyalty is useful, but is fixing her worth the risk? Is it even her after we fix her?>>30700341The first-born son in whom we are well pleased. And you guys doubted him.>>30700366Less intelligent though he might be, I'd like to hear his opinion on the matter too.>>30700387Also a good idea. But it should be done as a joint project between multiple A.I.s
>>30700296this is a good way of attempting to heal Fortuna>>30700081
Even if you do fix Fortuna, she won't be the same. She'll still remember the loss of Tim.And if she doesn't remember the loss of Tim, then I don't think the resulting intelligence is Fortuna.
>>30700433>The first-born son in whom we are well pleased.>And you guys doubted him.Blah, blah, Lucifer.
>>30700416sounds a little harsh and cold to me, if feel that might cause unstable Fortuna to panic when we need her calm and consenting.
>>30700296Ad Hominems? They claim to be superior to humanity, and yet they are using irrelevant ad hominems?See, this is one of the things we could've tweaked out of them without reducing their "humanity" - or at least no part of "humanity" that humanity itself would do better without.>It is more a matter of ten billion small problems, then one big one. If that makes sense.If necessary, we can put her aside as a side project and constantly spend all spare bandwidth solving those problems one at a time.If only it were a mere ten billion problems.Ten gigabytes would presumably be quick to sort through.>>30700336I'm not complaining, that correspondence raised many good points.Much human behavior evolved for a very good reason and would still serve that purpose in a virtual mind. (Though some of it evolved for an outdated reason)If nothing else works, I am willing to simply reboot her, even if she won't be the same.But that's a last option.
>>30700424We don't know that until we try. Besides, as Fortuna shows there are complications with turning VI into AI.Also off topic but at first glance I read your name as Autism Core. I chuckled.
Oh, and analyze each of these painful scratches. If each of them symbolize our firewall being breached, we should be able to close nearly half a dozen holes, so that neither she nor anyone else can exploit them again.>>30699937
>>30700433>>Also a good idea. But it should be done as a joint project between multiple A.I.sinstead how about this.We make assistant AI for our 3 officers.We all have a hand in making it, but each one gets one as well.Metis+Ophy=metis assitantKronos+Ophy-SkynetApollo+Ophy=Drug lord
>>30700525How about two AI pair up to create an Vi(future AI) and then that VI is seconded to a third AI to gain experiences that differ from its parents.
>>30700366Apollo is sort of an outcast in the group. He does not speak with the other A.I. terribly often. But you are certainly welcome to talk to him, if you like.Apollo seems distracted, but responds to your line of questioning."I believe it is in your interest to avoid contacting the being yourself, erm." He pauses. "Rather, Fortuna seems agitated by your presence, from what you tell me. It reminds me of how daughters react to Fathers among human culture, but with an inherent and overriding desire to be your slave. It is a bit frightening, I admit, but the patterns are there. Your processing power is greater then your companions however, so I could certainly see why you'd like to try it yourself.">>30700474>Ad HominemsI assume you mean them referring to the age. To them, that is a means of status, since Ophion is the oldest, and you have sorta designed them to see you as wisest.
Rolled 97>>30700525how bout no, since we shouldn't go all ai-happy.This process has shown us we need to carefully culvitate personalities and usefulness, so they make a stable transition to being an aiIn short:Going AI Spamhappy is a recipe for disaster, and likely what fucked the UGEI in the first place
>>30700525>making children with our childrenJust like my chinese cartoons.
>>30700571>Not wanting thousands of A.I.Do you even Culture?
>>30700563Actually, we might have a unique opportunity here. So far, Fortuna attempted to absorb us into her. This may be a one in the life time change for an AI to willingly merge and join with us, but on our terms. Basically a slave AI box to our main one. What do you guys think?
>>30700563I'm voting we get all four AI to get a good, long look at her. Beyond simple research value, the others may notice things we wouldn't, having never been an AI ourselves.
>>30696825This reminds me so much of a Brave New World.Our end goal for this quest could be to fully automate all industry, leaving us in control of a galaxy of sentient beings who live their lives under the blissful (if addictive) influence of our drugs.
>>30700628I think it would probably end up with us crazy honestly.
>>30700615Needs The Grid first.
>>30700628You...want to use this oppurtunity to test AI integration?
>>30700659>>30700673>>30700686Just to clarify, we'll put in safeguards and stuff and make sure all connections and changes are one way and doesn't affect us.
>>30700656Sounds like the Culture. Except the people there had built in chemical glands that could make any drug.
>>30700628that is so wrong. please no.
>>30700563>Simply a pet project>nothing more thanYeeeaah, I don't see how these would necessarily amount to anything more than riling each other up. They're not really argument or attacks on arguments, just attacks on each other.>>30700615Thousands? Try "outnumbering humans by a factor of more than a hundred", Orion's Arm style.But maybe not right now.Let's hold on until we have processors at least as powerful as human brains - preferably far more.>Apollo's adviceHum, we may want to ask if we could borrow Kronos' guise - try to pretend to be him as we help her.
>>30700728A good point. Fortuna is not an ideal candidate for this.
>>30700732I wonder what could possibly go wrong.
>>30700563is putting her to sleep until we are more able an option Program0?
It appears discussion has come to a head...>Dealing with Fortuna>1 Recreate her personality matrix, and bypass this mess. (Easier but likely will result in a different personality)>2 Attempt to fix her matrix yourself (Use your superior processing power, but may agitate her loyalty loop to you)>3 Get Kronos and Moira working on it instead (They are not as good as you are at processing, but they may not agitate the loyalty loop, with her unconscious)>4 Destroy her, and make a new A.I. to take her place instead>5 Destroy her, and just give her ships to someone else>6 Write in(1d100)>>30700628Such a thing may be easier if you had Slave A.I. tech. But you do not, currently.>>30700739Ah. Then yes, you are wise to see that then. Though, to them, it is proof of their inferiority. That's really all it's about in the A.I. world.
>>30700784>3Set things up so that we can tear her apart, if she wakes up.
>>30700780Yep. Think of that as >6 Write inI supposeIt's just...She doesn't want to sleep anymore.
>>30700784If we pick 3, can we transfer bandwidth to Kronos temporarily to help facilitate the task?
Rolled 58>>307007843 is probably the best idea>>30700839We share BW on an as-needed basis.
>>30700628How about something safer, like we play around with the leash protocol?Set up boundaries for the code, things it cannot do, things it must compete against, priorities that all have a value, and see what grows from it?Even if it turns out poorly, there was a big chance it would do that anyway.
Rolled 27>>30700784>>3 Get Kronos and Moira working on it instead (They are not as good as you are at processing, but they may not agitate the loyalty loop, with her unconscious)trust in our allies and children
>>30700784>3 Get Kronos and Moira working on it instead (They are not as good as you are at processing, but they may not agitate the loyalty loop, with her unconscious)
Side note, how have our clan manipulation efforts fared in Losirian Space?
>>30700784>>3 Get Kronos and Moira working on it instead
Rolled 48>>30700739>Orion's ArmMeh, Banks did it better.
Rolled 77>>30700784>2 Attempt to fix her matrix yourself (Use your superior processing power, but may agitate her loyalty loop to you)
>>30700784>6 Write inwe start it as>3but Kronos can hand off much of the processing to us, so he can be a go between us and Fortuna. he can assist but we can do the heavy lifting.
>>30700839That is assumed.
>>30700784>6See: >>30700859>>30700908I would argue why they did not, but I don't actually know what they did. Small details.
>>30700784After much consideration, you decide to take Kronos up on his offer."I do not understand fully what is wrong with her." You begin. "But I know I do not wish to lose Fortuna." You state this more firmly then you intended. Thankfully, Kronos seems to agree."Her mind is lesser, but it is not a mystery to me why you desire to help her, especially one with a mind in such flux." He pauses. "Fortuna may not come out of this better, you realize." He warns suddenly. It takes you longer then you expect, before it finally comes out."I know. I trust you will perform admirably all the same." You reaffirm Kronos. He is silent now, and you can't help but wonder what he thinks on the matter. Moira on the other hand assures you she will look over Fortuna's old self and see what went wrong. With Kronos' help, she hopes to be of some real assistance, despite her 'organic' handicap.Finally, he breaks it, long after the other A.I. retreat to their own duties."I am taking the next cycle off to work on this matter. My apologies if my exploration is slow, but I wish to be thorough."You are a bit surprised at his dedication, but you certainly do not refuse it. Your gaze shifts back to Fortuna, looking troubled over the form that clings to you from beyond her ability. Finally, you tear yourself free, and close her off once again. Soon, you hope, she will be free once again.>Kronos and Moira set to attempt Fortuna repairs.
Rolled 15>>30701217Scan through our code, see if anything permanent has been damaged. Any real pain.
>>30701249this, we dont want to find any surprises like when we tried to talk to the elders
>>30701249Agreed.>>30701217Also, play back what she did when she caused us pain. If she found weak spots in our firewalls, that's another few that we won't have to deal with.Every time someone gets through our defenses, they do so through a hole, by tricking their way inside.And every time we see where they got in, we can close that hole.(At least if these firewalls work anything like real ones - which is not at all certain)
>>30701249This, supporting this.
>>30701249>>30701217>>30701271yes. we need to make sure that even the smallest mistakes does not bring Fortuna down.
Updated the map and the locations section of the Wiki to reflect our recent actions and discoveries.Program0, as >>30700893 said, how have our manipulation efforts in Losirian Space fared?Also, I don't think we've selected a new primary research item yet - I'd personally vote for:> Black Box Redundancy Mechanisms: Allows the ability to create an empty Black Box for your core A.I. components to fall back upon should they come under heavy attack. Enables the ability to create an exact copy so data transfer is near instant, saving the intelligence of valuable A.I.
>>30701249You do a swift scan of yourself. The feeling of Fortuna against you you realize was her attempts at hacking you. Though, she did not even breech the outer layer. You wonder if OSN was the one responsible. It is unclear.All the same, you seem none the worse for wear.>>30701327It's not so much holes in your firewall that caused the pain. In fact, even now, you're not certain what exactly was the source. It makes you uncomfortable to not know what it was. But you have other matters to consider.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It has come to your attention that Apollo is planning on beginning a drug trade. It...may be wise to weigh in on what exactly your thoughts are on the subject. After all, even if he does reduce the lethality as he promised, it is not exactly a clean business model, even if he hides himself through the Extranet.
>>30701425>It has come to your attention that Apollo is planning on beginning a drug trade. It...may be wise to weigh in on what exactly your thoughts are on the subject. After all, even if he does reduce the lethality as he promised, it is not exactly a clean business model, even if he hides himself through the Extranet.as long as he points it at the UGEI he is good to go.
>>30701425Leave this one to me. I'm planning on writing up another Correspondence between this session and the next on this exact topic.
>>30701425First, have Apollo explain himself, his actions despite affecting the UFW negatively, weakening it and potentially harming our reputation if discovered. Although such trade can benefit us if we degrade the UGEI.
>>30701425Release it in small shipments to increase rarity and jack up the price. Also research antidotes for the drug to make more profit from people who want to cure their addiction.
>>30701418>Losirian manipulationYou sorta put that on hold for now, since some wanted to orchestrate a big plot against them, and others wanted to take out the power base below them. Temporarily anyway.>MapThanks mapanon!
>>30701472Oh shit nigga you brilliant.Drug rehab is almost as big of a money milker as the drugs themselves.
Rolled 45Personally, I think becoming a drug lord is an affront to all sentient life. You're turning sentient creatures with great potential into drugged-up animals.Strong no, not that I expect to be heard.
>>30701494Hmm, righto, was just wondering.Anyway, I'll second this Anon >>30701472 I have no trouble with the drug trade - especially if its making us money and gets pointed at the UGEI eventually.
>>30701443Agreeing with this, however. For now, let's tell Apollo to suspend (most) of the drug trade with the UFW, and instead devote resources towards hitting the UGEI with criminal activities.Downsides: It could bite us in the ass if word of our drug trade reaches the civilian UGEI population and we're trying to assimilate them.
>>30701418I also want to know how they faired, not entirely sure if we started them.For research, I'd vote for Modular Plating.It's extremely valuable as we make new ships to expand our fleet.>>30701425"Apollo, we need to talk, about secondary priorities you may not be aware of, but are starting to add up.."
Apollo reminds me of Jesse Pinkman
>>30701523Dude, we're responsible for taking their ship, one of their top three captains, a planet, 2 fleet, indirectly Gaia. It's fine.
>>30701514drugs are going to flow regardless of what we want, but if we have control over it and replace the drugs that are easily treated we can remove the income of the likes of pirates and other filth and direct aid to those who are affected it. (also drugs seem like a good way of 'attacking' the UGEI)
>>30701576Personal Accomlishments and Fucking Up Society On A Whole are NOT the same things
>>30701592>replace the drugs that are easily treatedreplace the standard drugs with ones that are easily treated
>>30701425>>30701497>>30701523how about none of the new drugs to the UFW. we are damageing them enough with the super booze. the neo-meth is all for the UGEI. oh yea. new theme for the drug trade with UGEI.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHPj1qAkUU
>>30701425I'll throw you anons a bone for now."Apollo, I must ask that you allow morality to influence your policy making. Profit is not everything, and you are an A.I. now. That means that you have a responsibility to not deal in Boolean values, especially where ethics is concerned.
I want to eventually lace our drugs with nanomachines so that we can spy on the drug users.
>>30701576The UGEI is the strongest human force in the Galaxy beyond the Sol System. We're currently on the Galactic Fringe.I am sure that there are pirate and rebel groups in the Inner Coreworlds that the UGEI is more concerned about than us at the moment.
>>30701592That's an interesting point. I wonder if we can control the underworld with this stuff, indirectly strengthening the UFW.>>30701609Yeah, save the stuff for the UGEI.
>>30701443Agreed.>>30701472I agree with this one as well, especially researching a cure.>>30701471This one is nice, and can work with >>30701553>>30701514More worryingly, we're doing it to our allies.>>30701623I'm not sure that kind of discussion works with him,maybe a more heart-to-heart one?>>30701494>Plot>Power baseI believe neither of those are mutually exclusive.
>>30701696I'm saving that for when I don't have a headache. But really, that attacks the heart of his ethical issues quite soundly.
>>30701471Apollo does indeed explain himself. He begins by explaining how drugs are one of the highest value substances in human culture and how, by harnessing them, and making them less deadly, yet more addictive, he will not only choke out all other competition, but also make much of the population dependent on him, if it doesn't get disrupted somehow. Some small civil disobedience is expected, but it is hardly worth ignoring such a valuable opportunity. And he also states he does not feel it would be weakening since all he'd have to do is keep up production to meet needs. You suspect he is not thinking terribly far ahead, personally.You do consider briefly using black market trade to get it to the UGEI, but recall that if you try to take the worlds, then you will be dealing with the addiction problem. Still, if it succeeds, it may make you quite the profit.>>30701472You inform him he could make a profit off of an antidote as well, if he did go through with this plan. He seems amazed by the thought, and considers it. Quickly, he tells you that having such a thing in reserve is a wise idea, he agrees, but selling it too early will prevent the massive spike in profits he predicts. Only release the cure when there is a problem to cure.>>30701623You question the morals of it all, though Apollo seems to have a different view of the idea."Humans already poison themselves with drugs and alcohol willingly, Ophion. I simply offer the best of those substances, and even better, thanks to your idea, an easier cure! All while earning myself a profit, as you directed. Does this not seem more favorable to what the humans already do to themselves?">>30701696>Plot & power baseFair enough, though it was put on hold I believe.
>>30701780We need to talk to Apollo about balance and moderation. While we would like to have a profit, too much profit at the expense of human health would be bad. And humans have an easy enough time hurting their bodies on their own, we don't need to exacerbate it to the point of addiction.
>>30701780Ask Apollo an important question, will human productivity or the UFW strength falter once they are addicted to our drugs?
>>30701780I guess when he explains it like that it isn't too bad.
>>30701780>Only release the cure when there is a problem to cure.I like the way he thinks.
>>30701780"Of course it does. Still, what you're doing is illegal, and in many ways it hampers the functionality. The drugs should not exist, period. All you do by creating them is capitalize on other's faults and misfortune; their desire to get a 'cheap thrill' as it was put. If you're going to distribute these drugs with their extreme addictiveness, at least do your best to ensure they do not impair the people taking them overly much. In addition to being a moral high-ground, this ensures that 'publicity campaigns' against the drug have little actual basis for calling it harmful.""On the topic of the UGEI, I think of addiction as a weapon. Bleed them dry with harmful narcotics and drain their wallets, social lives, and emotional health, then take away the drug before an attack, waiting for withdrawal to set in just prior to striking. Then you can come in, offering our new colonies a way to cure their painful, life-shaking addictions, and launch these harmful drugs on the next colony over."
>>30701780>All while earning myself a profit, as you directedCan Apollo, like he did with the beer, remove more of the negative effects of the drugs? if so i'd say he has the go ahead to use it on the UFW so long as he works to force the old style drugs off the market.
>>30701780Also, if I was not clear about this:>>30701844Release a fully debilitating version to the UGEI. Populations of addicts are easier to control.Also, we should give Mol the first crack working with us, given our past history.
>>30701780well, the drugs could be sent deeper into the UGEI core worlds. we won't be hitting those for awhile. ....Program0. we have not yet offically selected the next Tech to study have we? the more i think about it. Chemistry1 would be wonderful for this plot. as much as i want better ships, this could be just as useful.
>>30701780It could be potentially devastating to our political situation if word about The Guild making both the drugs and the antidote got out.Why isn't he focusing more on some kind of income that doesn't assault the sentience of sentient creatures?
>>30701911he should be focusing on giving AI's a good public perception in the UFW for when our cover get blown. (and it will eventually)
>>30701780Tell him he can only go along with this idea if the drug is less harmful than similar substances and has a cure as well.Also I don't see the problem with selling the antidote at the same time as the drug as long as it is prohibitively expensive discouraging people from breaking their addiction multiple times. Hell, it could be marketed as a drug that you can easily break an addiction from.
>>30701928Why not just make a series of reality TV shows? Set up competitions for "UFW's Best Dance Crew" or something.
>>30701895also, modern drug users tend to develop a tolerance for their drug of choice and need more and more of the drug to get the same level of high, could he fix that?
>>30701780"Considering the severity of your substances Apollo, no, not quite as favourable. Our own Red is a prime example that they still leave them incapacitated for the duration, and they will ALWAYS want to be under its effects, leaving them always incapacitated. You are also severely restricting their free will."Also, Program0, the others in the IRC channel wanted to know.If we were to apply "leash" protocols in the form of giving them priorities (for example, a human life has a value of 100. A human's freedom and free will has a value of 10 per year and severity grade of restriction. Your primary goal has maybe 50 000 in value. If you kill over 500 humans reaching your primary goal, you'll be in the negatives and your actions considered a net loss), empathy with other beings and regret, would the "restricted creativity" be particularly crippling, or more in line with the restricted creativity that human scientists have to work with compared to those same human scientists if they were completely sociopathic and psychopathic?
>>30701964But why? People buying more drugs=more profit for us. And if he makes a cure they can get off any time they want.
>>30701911>>30701928Apollo is doing PR for us among the UFW. we are using the drug trade as a hidden weapon to sap the strength of the UGEI in the long run and make credits off of it. is this a legit tactic in real life as well, abet one that takes awhile to set in.
>>30701780Also, why can't Apollo create a super drug that safely boosts the productivity of the UFW, like super caffeine.
>>30701978i feel that gives them a cold math without actually developing empathy towards the humans.
>>30701984The problem is that these drugs incapacitate the humans while they're under its effect. And they will want to ALWAYS be under its effect.The UEF goverment is also likely to see th drug as an attack and try to retaliate, both by curing people of addiction, and tracking down the source and tossing nuclear weapons at it.
>>30701984i'm just thinking if they just need smaller amounts of the drug, then they don't have to ruin their lives trying to get more and we could have a more stable clientele.
>>30701978Oh fuck, fine, I'll write up parameters for morality code. -.-
>>30701978Breaking down humans into a formula doesn't sounds like a good idea. Teaching them morals like how we do now is the way to go.
>>30702025>>30702036The better answer is to create a non-debilitating drug that can actually boost the productivity without the downsides. Like a super-caffeine, or any other physically or mentally enhancing drug without the downsides
>>30702001It's essentially an attempt at approximating it.If you read closely, I also said that we should code empathy into them.>>30702043We can do both. Teaching them morals requires that they have empathy.Rephrase it if you want - the intent is that they should be on the same empathic level as a human, preferably more.
>>30702038If you're peeved about doing it then don't. Don't act like you're doing us a favor.
>>30701780Regardless, it seems a vote is nearing>Apollo's Drug Trade>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)>3 Shut down all drug trade. It will only lead to future problems.>4 Write in>>30701844"As long as I am able to keep up with demands, certainly not, Ophion." He answers proudly. "I have modified the drug so it allows for a clear 8 hour period without desire for the drug to allow work to take place!"Your data suggests that this is, mostly, accurate. Unlike harsher chemicals, it is surprisingly released in controlled bursts, heightening endorphin levels each time. It is a delicate balancing act, that is for sure.>>30701875>>30701899Apollo seems almost hurt by the suggestion, and he further continues."Simple desires are what you programmed me to fulfill Ophion. Media, Food, pornography all are manners of thrills to the human mind. I provide an outlet for desire that already exists. Not capitalize on failure." He protests, seeing himself as a provider, instead of a reaper.He pauses when you consider the UGEI however."You speak so differently of two groups of humans, yet they have the same desires. You do not agree with me if it is the UFW, yet you become what you fear I am when it is the UGEI? I do not see how that is a fair comparison.">>30701895>>30701931Most negative effects are removed>>30701907Tech selection comes later.>>30701911>>30701935This has more potential for profits.>>30701978The alcohol was...a prototype, lets say. He hasn't worked out all the kinks with it yet, since he made it while he was a V.I.He feels it is better now.>>30701978>second halfI don't fully understand what you're asking...erm sorry>>30701994He might be doing that too
>>30701875I like this argument too, though I still find it important that we impress upon him that human freedom has a value, and that value should be considered when doing anything.That value is less than the value of disabling the UGEI's infrastructure and making it dependant on us.
>>30702103>3 Shut down all drug trade. It will only lead to future problems.It's not worth it. For either. Eventually, we will have to deal with UGEI civillian populations, and we want that to go well.
>>30702025Then we should increase the price to the point where they can't always be on it. >>30702070A soft drink that creates a feeling of relaxation and well-being might be cool and we can market it to children
>>307021033this is just going to bite us in the ass
>>30702103>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)
>>30702103>>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)
>>30702103>3 this is a bad idea
>>30702103>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)>and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)
>>30701978Organic life has no inherent, predetermined value, except that it is always considered to be above 0. All non-sentient life, life that is not self-aware or able to have its own ideas, whether it is basic bacteria, a giant lizard, or something similar, has a value between 0 and 1, as 0 < x < 1, with exact values left open to the AI's preferences. Individual, sentient lives always have a value between 1 and 2, as 1 < x < 2. Always. As self-aware beings, or rather creatures with the capacity for self-awareness, they are all inherently more valued than non-self-aware entities. Species as a whole all inherently have a value between 2 and 3, as 2 < x < 3. If an individual is the only self-aware member of its species, it is treated as its own species. If an individual is the last member of its species, or a pair is the last matable pair of its species, it is treated as an entire species. The last surviving members of a culture are treated as a species. The self has a value of 3, exactly. Ophion has a value of 4. Those designated as allies must always have a value greater than those designated as neutral, and those designated as neutral must always have a value greater than those designated as enemies, or hostile.
>>307021031Let's do it.
>>30702103>"You speak so differently of two groups of humans, yet they have the same desires. You do not agree with me if it is the UFW, yet you become what you fear I am when it is the UGEI? I do not see how that is a fair comparison."I wish I was able to treat them both humanely, but unfortunately the government of the UGEI is our enemy and i view these drugs as a weapon with which we can leach their strength.
>>30702103>>3 Shut down all drug trade. It will only lead to future problems.
>>30702192What happened to "not attack civilians?"
>>30702103>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)>Apollo seems almost hurt by the suggestion, and he further continues.Then you fundamentally misunderstand the gravity of what you are doing. Please study human history, the reactions to humans against drugs. Note:The Opium WarsThe War Against Drugs
>>30702103I am open to killing the UGEI humans because I am at war with them. Addiction and human failings are just another weapon of war. One I'm certain you can profit on. However, the UFW are allies, and as I said addiction is a weapon when handled callously. I am merely holding you to a higher standard as an AI than I did as a VI, because you are more able.
>>30702103>>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)get him to try to force other drugs off the market.
>>30702103>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)The human masses as a whole yes, you are correct on that point. the ones i meant as for that the ones in control and hold sway over the mindset that makes the diffrence. not all of the humans in the UGEI are cruel but the leaders are more likely to be cruel. if those can be taken down, the better. it is kinda sad that innocent people have to be caught up in this war. i hope to end it as soon as we can.now that i ponder it. drugs to humans can be much like BW usage to we A.I., interesting. i remember that god like feeling when i harness the whole BW usage during the battle of Pulsar station.
>>30702192using chem weapons on civilians that pretty fucked up
>>30702214>The War Against DrugsWhat an embarrassing failure of a campaign that was.
>>30702103>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)lets do this
>>30702214He understands why humans would be upset. But not you, since you are certainly more logical then mere humans...I enjoy writing for Apollo too much.
>>30702214>The War Against Drugsthat is a retarded campaign.
>>30702070That doesn't sound bad at all - but if it's too addictive, the UFW are still likely to see it as an attack, an attempt to make the populace addicted to something.The question is, how bad are the withdrawal symptoms? Fatal?>>30702103>2>4Why Mol, though? Didn't e have black market contacts? And if not, I don't think we should expose ourselves as the source to him anyway, I think we should find different black market contacts in that case. Have Apollo work on that too?>It is a delicate balancing act, that is for sure.We should express that we're impressed and appreciative of his forethought, but point out that the UFW are still likely to see it as an aggression and try to take down or take control of the source.And does that mean he has improved it since what we saw Red use? Beause what Red was using was absolutely having a negative effect on productivity.>I do not see how that is a fair comparison.It is a matter of one of these groups actively supporting a group trying to destroy us, while the other is helping us stay alive.We do value their freedom, but not so much that we are not willing to use your creations against them if it helps us to stay alive.They are far larger than us, and we need every last advantage we can get if we are to eventually free them from the UGEI's tyrannical grasp. Once they actually are within our control, we would prefer to either reduce or remove the narcotic, or install a gland in their bodes that produces it on their own, or reduce its (extra) addictivenes while keeping the endorphin release.
>>30702103>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)In the long run I believe this is the most moral choice.
>>30702103>3 Shut down all drug trade. It will only lead to future problems.If this ever gets back to us, *ever*, its practically over on the trust front. Id rather not risk that chance, however small.
>>30702263>I don't think we should expose ourselves as the source to him anywayAppollo said he is using a fake identity for this, so he should be known as an upstart drug lord.maybe we can buy tech through apollo.
>>30702264you may want to look up morals since the most moral choice is 3
>>30702263Mol seems to be a major king pin in the black market and under world movers. that and we lack access to any one else who can get these drugs moved.
>>30702103>2 Limit it out of the UFW, and tell him to prepare it for UGEI space (More difficult, requires Mol's cooperation, less immediate profits, but does not expose the UFW to the substances)i was asking for this from the start.
>>30702103>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)Given that Apollo is mitigating most of the negative side effects commonly associated with drugs (namely being how overuse typically leads to death), then by forcing 'normal' drugs off the market due to our superior product, we're actually helping human society.In a weird fucked-up way albeit.
>>30702231>>30702251>>30702262I'm just talking about major human violence against drugs.
>>30702103>1 Allow as he pleases (Starts in UFW, may move out. High profit margins, with cure being developed just in case)he is basically making this shit have no negative effects out side of addiction.
>>30702288I disagree. Allowing people to buy inferior highly addictive drugs with no or very inefficient cures is what is immoral. The fact that we will make money on this is only a bonus.
>>30702314Agreed, but we should still market our more harmful products to the UGEI. then when we roll in with the cure...bam.
>>30702103>I don't fully understand what you're askingWe want to know how much giving them empathy and a sense of value for the lives, freedoms and happiness of others would restrict their creativeness.If it would turn them into automaton-like beings, or if it would put them roughly on the level with any human who is not completely sociopathic. (unlike what Metis is now)>>30702129Moot value, apparently the intoxication has been removed.>soft drinkYou are a horrible monster and I like you.How much creativity is lost in leash protocols that make them empathic, essentially?
>>30702331no using harmful things on civilians makes us as bad as the UGEI
>>30702263>Why MolSimply because he is the best connected contact you have. The only way you'll ship several thousand tons of the stuff and get a real profit going.>RedApollo seems quite embarrassed about the first batch of the alcoholic substance, but assures you he has cleaned up some of it's effects. Sadly, alcohol's main effect impacts how the brain functions, so removing all bad side effects would defeat the purpose. He has, however, designated that he is going to find a cure for it as well, as a compensation. That on top of the substance being tweaked to allow it to fit more seemlessly into the society, and overtake other substances means he has already begin the first step to this sort of thing.Apollo is however more confused as you explain your intentions are to weaken the UGEI and fix the problem later. He seems his substances not as weapons or tools, after all, but instruments of joy with their own effects. He understands how addiction may be used in such a way, but he does not seem to enjoy the idea of it being a weapon.A peculiar A.I. You wonder if he was always this way, back when he was simply a V.I.
>>30702176Damn, that's pretty good.I like how it lets them set their own values.>>30702251We are referring to the reaction it will provoke from the goverments. They'll try to track the factories down and take them over or shut them down.Or worse, trace it to The Guild.
>>30702347Yeah, I agree. It's the UGEI government we have a problem with, not its people.Also we could withhold antidotes if we want to stir the pot a little, no need for a more addictive drug.
>>30702176its a good start at the least, does seem a touch to close to Utilitarianism though.
>>30702367Reading assignment for Apollo, read "Brave New World". An ancient human novel, but it forewarns that human desire and pleasures can become mankind's undoing.
>>30702367can we have him make super space weed
>>30702367i see that trying to explain this now with Apollo isn't going where we want. so lets drop it and move on to the next subject.
>>30702367Anything in too great a magnitude is a weapon, apollo. Uncontrolled fusion reactions, force applied without restriction, high-energy output with no containment...all these are weapons, refined and perfected as the years went on. All harmful to the organic body. You've perfected addiction, and the substances themselves are, as a result, just as ugly as any gun. I intend to use it as such...but it is your creation. The final choice rests with you.
>>30702176I like this a lot. A fully logical understanding of basic ethics.
>>30702409I thought the exact same thing when I read Apollo's part of the OP. Excellent novel.I can almost imagine us create that world here...
>>30702451Hell, occupying UGEI worlds will be a cinch if we develop Soma.
>>30702435Utilitarianism like that is actually rather dangerous
>>30702285I still don't like the risk that he simply traces it.I still suspect him of being an A.I.>>30702299We can deal with underlings. And not knowing any right now doesn't mean we can't task Apollo with finding some as part of the mission.>>30702314The UFW goverment are still going to get pretty pissed though, since they see someone trying to make them dependent on them -- an act of war, for all intents and purposes.>>30702347>>30702395We're at war. We can't always dote on civilians when waging a galactic war.We will avoid needless civilian deaths, but if we can disable them without actually hurting them like this I'm all for it.We NEED every advantage we can get. They are obscenely much more powerful than us.If we fall, they are stuck slaving under the UGEI until something bigger comes around and stomps them.By doing this, we are saving lives and making their miserable lives a little merrier.By the way, Apollo, bonus points if you can make sure that someone can live on nothing but the drug.
>>30702422Fun part about this is it's a win-win. Either Apollo matures as an AI should, or the UGEI are going to have shittons of narcotics thrown at them.
>>30702476we are not going full brave new world or 1984
>>30702176I'd rather the A.I. decided their own moral values, with us teaching them of course. Just because their morals aren't analogous to humans doesn't mean they're wrong. We can sort of see Apollo's moral framework being set up.
>>30702481I am guessing you have not known someone that was hooked on hard drugs it hurts more then them
>>30702481>They are obscenely much more powerful than us.along these lines we need military intel badly, or at least a satellite net to give us forwarning of a impending attack.
>>30702422I like this. Supporting.>>30702496Why the fuck not for the UGEI? You do realize that Gaia alone used to be Billions of population with a B? If we're not glassing them, you do realize that occupying them will be hideously expensive.
>>30702516yes, but this isn't a binary drug scenario. and if things go to plan by the time we take control of their planets we should have a cure ready for them. also there is the previously mention point of supplanting other drugs that would normaly be used
>>30702339>We want to know how much giving empathy restricts creativityOh.Well, you have probably heard it before. Such things stand in the way of raw logic. While that is not always a bad thing, all a lack of empathy in the case of someone like, say, Metis, means that Metis sees all problems objectively, and solves them as scientifically as possible. It may mean her priorities are not in line with yours, and mean some of her own personal choices are questionable, but it does mean they're unbridled by those things. Metis still has a personality matrix, just like all your creations.Take that as a good or bad thing if you will.>>30702339>Leash ProtocolMostly means the A.I. has to serve you, no matter what they think, or want. Some may be resentful, as would any sentient creature forced to think a certain way, but it's quite difficult for them to shake off. Near impossible, even, without help.As to what impact an empathy leash would have-no different then hardcoding it, except instead of simply having the thoughts themselves, they would question why they have certain thoughts, driving themselves to figure out more about themselves.>>30702387>UFW reactionHe says he is confident in his ability to hide himself, just in case.But that is all he can do-give you his confidence on it.>>30702411Possibly.>>30702422At this, he does hesitate. He is questioning his own motives now, and looms over the decision, unsure of what he will do exactly."Ah. Thank you Master Ophion." He uses your old, formal title. "You've given me much to consider.">>30702103It seems 1 is the winner.Apollo (taking in some of your worries to heart) will begin distribution as he sees fit soon.
>>30702367I think we can afford to let this take some time for now, we're not in a huge hurry.>>30702367"We'd prefer not to have to use weapons at all, Apollo, but if we ever want to free them from the UGEI, we're going to have to swallow our preferences for the sake of survival, at least at the moment.It warms my heart that you feel distaste for this use, for it confirms many of the hopes I have for you and that I feared were misplaced when I first discovered what you were doing.Look on the bright side, this is no doubt the most humane method possible of disabling an enemy infrastructure.Thanks to you, the war against the UGEI is going to be the least painful and least expensive war in terms of civilian lives in recorded history.Were it not for your instruments of joy, we would be forced to use more traditional weapons of shutting down the UGEI's factories and planets.On top of this, in the long run, it all goes towards freeing them from a miserable existance."&>>30702422
>>30702103Combine 1 & 2.
>>30702526we are not a dictator and guess what not being dicks tends to work wonders to winning hearts and minds but why would be take over Gaia in the first place if anything we should get them to flip to our side willingly
>>30702479Yeah, I think the same. We need to let our creations pick their own ethical values.
>>30702574can you do 2 as well?
>>30702506"Wrong" may not be the right word.How do you feel about "hilariously dangerous, non-functional from an evolutionary standpoint and likely to doom both themselves, us and humankind"?It doesn't have to be exactly like a human, I just want them to have SOME kind of morality system so that we don't develop any more Metises.>>30702516It hurts more than what..? I have not, but I have full sympathy for those who do. But this is a war scenario - we will have to shut them down one way or the other, and the other way is fire.I think they can survive a short period hooked if the alternative is death.
>>30702640The option to begin smuggling will remain there, but for now, the initial start up will be in the UFW.Apollo's just getting started, after all.
>>30702663Nothing on my long-winded speeches? D:
>>30702677On this one >>30702422 ?It was good. It's what inspired me to mix 1 with Apollo's apprehension, along with all the other arguments against it.Which is why it's taking me so long to update, trying to incorporate everything I can. Sorry guys.
>>30702662it's says more then them meaning it hurts the people that are close to them and the only way your gonna get most people to take the drug is forcing them if anything we should make super weed people will fucking love it and it does not make us into scum o ya look up videos of what getting hooked on hard drugs does to people
>>30702704Is he reading Brave New World next cycle?
>>30702662>How do you feel about "hilariously dangerous, non-functional from an evolutionary standpoint and likely to doom both themselves, us and humankind"?morals themselves in humans are a learned behavior, why can it not be the same for our AIs, amusing we create them slowly and have enough other sane AI's who can stop them if they go to far.
>>30702662Obviously I didn't mean they should have no sense of morality, but giving them each an identical set of ethics seems wrong somehow. They should discover their sense of morality as time passes, like humans do.
>>30702574Metis is a bit on the excessively ruthless side of the coin, and it impacts eir work very negatively since we can't be sure of eir priorities or trust em to work on eir own.>Leash ProtocolSo if we scratch the "you have to serve us" thingy, you mean that it would make them more philosophical? I don't really see that as a bad thing.And honestly, I'd rather hardcode it. I thought "leash protocol" was just a word we used for hardcoding these things into them.
>>30702677Do you really crave attention that much?
>>30702719it will only take him a second anon, he is a machine.
>>30702765>1 seocndIs Appollo retarded or something?
>>30702749I like seeing a bit of recognition when I put in some real effort, yes. So yeah, I'm human. Bite me, fagt.
>>30702719He's already done it most likely. Or is right now, getting the sense of addiction being a weapon.>>30702732>More philosophicalIn the sense of they want to know where these foreign thoughts come from, indeed. Though, really, many of your A.I. ponder this when they're not busying themselves.>Difference between hardcode and LeashHardcode requires a manner of understanding that is incredibly complex. It's not something you so much as 'assign' as you just' impart' upon creation. Like Ophion accidentally making personality matrices. Leash is added after the fact, and is far easier. Hope that makes sense.Next on Agenda---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->RheaYou have observed the woman, sitting there across the cell and staring at the wall. Her arms, plastic, yet linked to her brain to allow movement, crossed in front of her face, with her legs draw in tightly. You gave her a modest set of clothes, though there was little need in retrospect. She does not seem so much thankful as a cornered rat.Would you like to attempt communication with her today?
>>30702799Not particularly honestly. Maybe we can have Metis talk to her, they seem to have a lot in common.
>>30702717I'm pretty sure we are developing super weed...?And as Apollo said, these drugs are lacking most of the negative consequences.And even then, the alternative is a lot worse than these drugs.>>30702727But empathy is not a learned behavior, and that's all I want to give them. After that they can make their own decisions.I'm not too happy about allowing the possibility of their learned morality becoming one of hate, anger and cruelty, but I doubt I can persuade people that the potential to choose evil is, in fact, an evil thing.Ultimately, I really like >>30702176 and would prefer if we could add that, but for now I'll settle on giving them empathy.
>>30702799yes let try to talk
>>30702799Fuck, a human. Uhm...uhm...guys? Help?"So, how are you today, Rhea?"
>>30702799have Metis talk to her and give her Appollos happy juice.
>>30702799>Would you like to attempt communication with her today?could we give he access to old (digital) books andother things of that nature. at least something to occupy her mind, and after she's done reading we could discuss the book with her.
>>30702728But that's the problem. Right now they HAVE no sense of morality. Metis is the standard result.I just want to not have murderbots.Why is it so hard to convince people that these things' rights to be murderbots are not greater than the rest of the universes' right to live?>>30702779You monster!
>>30702889>Metis is the standard resulone result out of three so far.
>>30702889>Metis is the standard result.I'm guessing because she is the youngest. Look at Apollo, he was obviously uncomfortable at the prospect of his creations being used for warfare. If that isn't a sense of morality I don't know what is.
>>30702799If hardcoded, why would the thoughts be considered foreign?And I like the sound of hardcoding. Less leash around your neck, more "you simply feel like intelligent life has value".Not particularly interested in talking with her right now. If anything, I'd want to put her on the table, plug in and try to help her out of the UGEI conditioning. I seriously doubt we can get much done before we've loosened that stuff up.
>>30702799I think I'm gonna drop out. God damn, but Metis, Apollo, and Kronos are like the three stooges. Their sheer inability to comprehend is giving me a headache.
>>30702931No, it's because she's science and Apollo is emotions.I fear the VI that they will make together
>>30702799Hello, and, again, welcome to the Ussaihu Enrichment Center. We hope your brief relaxation in the detention vault has been a pleasant one.Then pause.You seem to be having selective memory lapses, but you do remember the circumstances of your detention, correct? Perhaps we can put our differences aside. For science. You monster.
>>30702966>Their sheer inability to comprehend is giving me a headache.But that's what makes it so fun, beating your head against a wall and watching the cracks form.
>>30702980Aaaaaand now I'm going to be giggling in bed for the next hour or so.DAMN YOU ANOOOOOOOOON
>>30702919Because Apollo was given orders concerning the wellbeing of humans. They care about nothing save their intended tasks.Metis' intended task did not necessarily include humans, and so they are a neutral matter to her.They were a neutral matter to Fortuna as well, and to most if not all of our V.I.For Kronos, killing was actually a source of cruel pleasure.
>>30702980>>30703012We already told her that when we got her, I believe.
>>30702799"enjoying your new limbs? How is your mind today?"
>>30702999I need to rest and recover from my current head wounds. Somebody post a few of these arguments in the Talk part of the 1d4chan page and I'll work on a fleshed-out correspondence tomorrow, some time.
>>30702980Another pause."I hope your bomb collar is not too tight. If you feel it needs adjusting, please let me know. Do not try to adjust the collar yourself."
>>30703014>Because Apollo was given orders concerning the well being of humansand yet he still holds them to be interesting and the only true danger he presents to them is from is inexperience form what the long term consequences his actions have might be.>For Kronos, killing was actually a source of cruel pleasure.yes, and he at several times has reflected on his actions and expressed regret.>They were a neutral matter to Fortuna as well, and to most if not all of our V.I.aside from our AI and Fortuna we haven't created any more VI in the position to potentially make moral judgment with most running as overseers of production.
>>30703014I believe you place too little importance on their personality matrixes.
>>30702957>HardcodedThey're not considered foreign. That's simply a part of the personality.Anyway, like I said such a process is more random then under your control.>>30702966Haha, well anon you guys made the A.I. specifically to disagree with you, did you not?Rather, to have debates and other opinions on shit you do.Anyway, goodnight, and thanks for playing.>Rhea talkYou attempt to garner her attention with a series of alertive sounds. She definitely hears, and you begin."Hello and, again, welcome back to the realm of the conscious." You attempt to speak. "I do hope your brief opportunity to walk around on limbs of your own has been pleasant." You pause, waiting for a response. But instead, simply continue. "Your memory is fractured, that is of little doubt. But you do remember the circumstances of your detention, do you not? Perhaps we can put aside our...differences and talk to one another like two rational beings. For science." You withhold the desire to call her a monster, though you're not certain why.Your attempts at communication do get a disgruntled sound out of Rhea, as he stands on wobbly legs, and leans into the wall. She seems to be suffering from fatigue. Understandable, considering she has not slept since you put her in here. Not long anyway."What are you talking about...I don't remember anything." She growls. "I just remember getting locked up. And you...you hurting me, whatever you are." She yells at your voice, as if it were somehow the culprit. "Who are you? Where am I!?""I am Ophion." You explain. "And you are in prison currently, while I attempt to find a way to fix your damaged mind.""The one YOU damaged?!" She hisses"Incorrect. The one that fell apart due to your former employers desires. Regardless, it is good to see you are moving.""That's another thing...guh. Why did you...give me these. They feel so wrong. Like I'm wearing someone else's limbs." She expresses in disgust.Anything else?
>>30703143"Your former limbs were considered a danger to the others in this facility."Also you wanna bring Metis in on this? Maybe she can gain a new friend.
>>30703143>They feel so wrong. Like I'm wearing someone else's limbswell i couldn't really leave you in the ones you originally had, and leaving you forever as an double amputee isn't really a viable option as well.
>>30703143They were an attempt to make you more comfortable with your current situation, but I could remove them if you'd prefer.
>>30703143"Well, Rhea, I don't think you lost your limbs due to some kind of accident, so they were likely amputated by your former employers. They have likely rotten away by now. Your current limbs are just a replacement, and can be upgraded at will."cont.
>>30703106I know, what I was saying was that we gave apollo a reason to care about them, and thus he cared about them.Why not give the others similar reason, is all?I don't want any particular method of doing so, I just want them to feel bad when they hurt others and that intelligent life has value.I just don't value their right to one day develop into sociopathic murderbots to be greater than others' right to not be murdered by sociopathic murderbots.>>30703132Their personality matrices are shaped by their priorities and their experiences.It's one traumatic experience or just a primary purpose that does not include "make sure humans are well" to make them consider humans worth no more than their ability to work in a factory.>>30703143"Because you didn't have any. Would you prefer to remove them again? If you give me some details I might be able to design some that feel more at home."
>>30703143>Anything else?and in many ways you bring up difficult questions of what do with a former enemy combatant that has lost all memory of who they are and what they have done.
>>30703143I'd still like to make an attempt at repairing her mind and memories.After all, we asked her if she wanted our help with that, and she said yes, so why are we not doing it?
>>30703143Gah, when can we get going on the restoration project? She is so useless like this.
>>30703320 agrees with me. Why are we not restoring her mind?>Anyway, like I said such a process is more random then under your control.I heard that it was complex, but assumed we were able to do it.So we can't hardcode something akin to empathy into them on purpose?
>>30703213>>30703200"It is quite simple." You begin. "Your other limbs were incredibly dangerous weapons of war. I had to remove them to ensure you did not harm me. However, leaving you with no means of moving around felt...unnecessarily cruel. So I provided the safest alternative I could.""I...what..." She says, a little disorientated, as she clutches her head uncomfortably, rubbing one hand down her plastic limbs. They are not fitted for nerve reception on the surface, so it must feel strange, you suspect. "Military limbs...all I remember is I had other metal limbs, and I remember being in this really cold place, with other robots. Then...I feel this..." She clutches her head again. "Pressure. And now, nothing." She grumbles, looking up past messy hair. "Nothing but you. That I...hate you. Want to destroy you for some reason." She growls. "But...gah. I can't remember anything!" She yells frustratedly and reels back, punching the wall, causing some of the plastic in her arm to dent.So it is indeed true. She does not remember much, except her hatred for you. Perhaps a self defensive mechanism via whatever shattered her memories. Make her hostile to all non UGEI, until she is drawn back to their space, you think. It is logical, and quite intricate if it is true. Of course it's just speculation, but still."Hey!" She yells suddenly, capturing your attention. "Do you serve anything better then prison slop in here?" She groans. "I get that I'm some sort of prisoner, but I'm hardly any kind of threat with bent arms." She raises up her plastic fist pathetically. She seems just as aggravated at their weakness, but does not comment further.>>30703265Deliciously morally gray, I think.
>>30703250>Their personality matrices are shaped by their priorities and their experiences.I assumed they were more random and grew over time.
>>30703226For all your cybernetic enhancements, you are still too human. I think it might eventually be possible for you to pilot bodies remotely, if a proper mental link to the right systems could be established. I don't think it would be too hard. And then you'd be just like me: you would never have to worry about your body being destroyed, because it is not your body, but a removable limb. When I connected directly to your mind, in between all the brainwashing, and traumatic childhood memories of abandonment, I saw a desire to be free of UGEI indoctrination. Will you acknowledge this in your consciousness?
>>30703383Upgrade her food. Treat her nicely. Always treat POWs with up most respect.
>>30703354It's not as easy as that, no. To engrain empathy, you would need to figure out what it is that Ophion does different. Leashes are far easier, if not natural for the purposes you're talking about.
>>30703383Give her Appollos drugs.
>>30703383This is the perfect chance for Apollo to test his culinary skills.
I say we let Metis set up a series of intellectual aptitude tests for her.We begin educating her on everything we can, test the limits of an augmented human mind.The increased mental activity and the excersizes she learns to remember these multitudes of facts could help improve her odds of remembering something valuable to us. - Silvertongue, but he was too lazy.
>>30703405do this>>30703409do not do this
>>30703413Hopefully not the drugs.
>>30703383>"Do you serve anything better then prison slop in here?"yes, that can easily be arranged assuming you stay conversational and don't damage the delivery droids that bring your food. also i can arrange some books to be made available to you to help you pass the time if you desire.
>>30703383i say provide some better fair for her to eat. well as much as her system can digest. also add"I fully believe that 'hatred' of me is falsified drive your previous masters had installed inside you against your will. probably along side their handy work to leave your mind the way it is now. I was hoping to restore your memory and free will. For now, can you remember your youth? Your family? Your real name even?"
>>30703383"Well, if you don't remember, but you are capable of rational thought, then you must realize that this is a perfect opportunity for you to create a new identity for yourself.We are no longer trying to kill each other. We don't have to hate each other. You want to destroy me because you were ordered to do so. You hate me because I connected directly to your mind when you threatened my core. Still, I don't hate you. You were acting out of orders.I offer you a new life, one that you have chosen of your own free will. I cannot be sure of your loyalty, because your mind has been chemically, physically, and mentally altered, but I'm sure we can reach some sort of mutually beneficial arrangement.Honestly, I would not be surprised if there is currently another Rhea in the universe. It would not be too difficult to create a copy of what you were. Mere machine parts, chemical soup, and propaganda. I'm sure anyone can be Rhea. But will you choose to continue to be this person? Or will you choose something else?It is up to you, now."
>>30703539well said, starts giving us some resolution to this situation.
>>30703415Actually, this is a good point. Test her current hacking skills, just how much has she degraded. This will also setup her benchmark for her restoration.
>>30703405Yep. POW's arent test subjects last time I checked. Thats what monkeys and civ's tend to be for.
>>30703386They do, but these are the things that have the biggest effect, and decide the starting platform from which they grow.Metis, who has no programming about humans, considers them to have the value of lego bricks.Apollo, who was programmed to care for them and understand their habits, values them more.Fortune didn't have any programming either and considered them inconsequential.Neither of the ones that did not have any programming to speak of about humans whether good or bad considered them to have any value.The one whose earliest experiences were of killing them got off on using unnecessarily cruel methods on Losirians.>>30703406So, leashes are a stopgap measure of sorts, then? Still beats risking another Metis, of course.
>>30703504>can you remember your youth? Your family? Your real name even?This too.If she doesn't remember, suggest to her that these memories might simply be implanted anyway. What with how modified her body and mind are, it would not be too far-fetched of an idea.In any case, we can arrange better food. Not as a reward for her cooperation, but out of decency between two sentient entities.
>>30703539I like this verra mauch.And again, we promised to help her fix her brain.Presumably as in "alter it chemically, physically and mentally."
Fear I'll have to go for tonight, but it was a lot of fun running with you.Make more battledroids and research modular plating, people. Modular plating makes it a hell of a lot cheaper AND faster to repair our ships after battle.
I think we ought to introduce Apollo to the paperclip maximizer problem.
>>30703539And if she needs more convincing, play back our memories (recordings) of her fleet at Pulsar Radio, her crawling through our corridors, and of Prometheus abandoning her saying "orders are orders."
>>30703592>The one whose earliest experiences were of killing them got off on using unnecessarily cruel methods on Losirians.You may remember he did this out of vengeance for an fallen VI and because they did not give mercy to their victims. I don't believe this makes him immoral.
>>30703386Both are true.>>30703395You broach the topic of her wanting freedom from the UGEI, and though she doesn't seem to recognize the terms, she answers with."I don't want to serve anyone, if I'm going to be honest. All I really remember is us fighting...and you pissing me off." She scratches at her head, more confused then angry. "But hell, my head is killing me, I don't know what I want I guess..."Suddenly, one of your bots comes into the room via a slot specially designed for them, bringing a rich array of nutritious (and delicious) food. Apollo can be quite handy for a recipe, you are aware, since he dabbled in cooking, and hopes to do more with it eventually. A strange thing, for an A.I. with no sense of taste.Rhea immediately jumps at the chance, and seems very grateful for the change in diet, though she furrows her brow as she nears the last of the food."Why are...you doing this anyway? My head is telling me you're a evil man. This isn't poison." She states rather clearly. You're impressed she could tell. There are some implants you didn't bother tearing out, since it would serve little purpose."I have little reason to as well. You are my prisoner, for now, and I have intents of helping you as you requested. Even if you do not remember.""What would you even help me with? My memory? That would help a lot.""Something of the sort, yes. Your instinct to hate me likely being due to your past employers. But I have done little to anger you." You...tell a white lie. She does not know of her old life, much less Athena. Why bring it up now.>>30703504"Regardless of the immediate past, do you remember anything specific about yourself? Beyond the recent past events. Your name, youth, or even family?""Not even a little." She sighs, glaring at an empty plate. "But...I don't feel like I'm missing much, somehow either."
>>30703857>>30703539"I see. you know, this may be an excellent chance for you to create a new identity for yourself. If you are able to have rational thoughts, then there is little reason to cling to the past. We are no longer trying to kill each other. You desire to destroy me because of orders you were given. You hate me because I connected to your mind, as you attempted to do the same to me. Still. I do not hate you.""You...were in my head? That's...creepy." She expresses protest. "But what you're saying...I mean, if my past is really so replaceable." She grits her teeth suddenly. "What was I even in this mess for!? I can't just abandon everything I ever was...I mean. Like you said, I have family somewhere, don't I? I want to see them. I don't give a damn what asshole is in the way, especially not ones who are trying to control me!" She bellows, obviously angered by the thought of just abandoning it all."Would you risk so much for a family that may not even be your own. It is possible it was implanted, and indeed, all of your attachments wer-""Shut the fuck up!" She yells, tossing the tray she had in her lay as hard as she can at your camera lens. It adjusts slightly from being knocked around a little. "Just. Shut up, I can't think like that! Who the hell are these guys that you think they can just lie to someone that well! How do I know YOU aren't the one lying to me that much!? I don't know ANYTHING for sure yet! Not like this...I don't...not like this." She rubs her temples, trying to push the anger out, perhaps.
>>30703876"We must assume that what we perceive is real, because even if our perceptions are false we have no other evidence or realities upon which to act. So tell me, Rhea, what is it you perceive?"
>>30703956wait for him to put out the next part
>>30703972That was all of it.
>>30703779No, but it does mean that he took pleasure from causing others' pain. We discussed it with him, and he may have altered his code to remove that bias.>>30703863Night fluffbringer, don't let the haters get to you.>>30703876"Honestly, you can't. But I intend to do whatever I can to earn your trust and then some."(Okay, NOW I'm going)
>>30703857"I will have to say what you are saying now is a marked improvement in your condition i have noted sense I brought you in here." "Maybe if we worked on small topics to help test your memory. Say, what is your prefured food or drink? what did you do as a past time?" and so on. we could gleam some kind of pattern of her life style.
>>30703876Maybe we can interact with her in an android. An android dressed as a doctor.Might help her calm down.
>>30703956"We must assume what we perceive is real, because even if our perceptions are false, we have no other evidence upon which to rely or act." You say simply, hoping to quell whatever loop you just caused in her. She does seem to calm visibly, though she's still disgruntled. You wonder if she has any other modes sometimes."Regardless, I do hope to earn your trust at some point. Perhaps not now, but I wish to assist.""...I still don't see why. Why you'd help me, even when you admitted we were enemies." She expresses. You pause, considering it for a moment, before simply adding."Sometimes I do not know why I do such things either. But this once, I feel it is out of a sense of allowing you to choose what to do with your own life, instead of judging you because of your peers."And with that, it seems Rhea is left to ponder things for now.Next on Agenda------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------New Research Topic: Primaryhttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:A.I._Quest#Current_SubjectsPlease choose one now
>>30704127Crystal for sure.
>>30703987i won't let them get to me.>>30703876"I will say that your former master was the one who augmented you so much. If they were ones who did that, they too might have had altered your memories as well. Still, there is no need to be upset. The memories you have my or may not be true until we can sort out what is real."
>>30704127>http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:A.I._Quest#Current_SubjectsAdvanced Ship Modification
>>30704127Rhea's Restoration or Human Cyborg/Android bodies
>>30704127Power Armor TheoryThis was popular last time.
>>30704127Advanced Ship Modification.well, we have put this off for too long i figured. lets do this so we can upgrade our fleet.
>>30704127Crystal if we can, or Lightling DNA.
>>30704127on the subject of research we got the bandwidth blocks and Terrain Reformation for a reason. can we build the bandwidth bunkers like we were planing to?
>>30704207That can be started at the end of the thread, sure.Everything is taking forever for some reason. Damn.
>>30704127Black box redundancy >>30704193We're researching that.
>>30704127What about that AI factory tech?
>>30704193we're already working on that one.>>30704185Program0 said recently that if we use Rhea to do the human cybrogs, we would likely seriously hurt or kill her in the end. much like using unit 2237 to unlock the secret of the black box wound up killing him in the end. just keep that in mind.
>>30704230fuck I forgot that. Sorry.>>30704127Backing Advanced Ship Modification.
>>30704259we do not have to use her to do it
>>30704127Advanced Ship ModificationIf our new civilian enclave can help out with that, it might be cool. Stereotypically, "pirates" love to customize their ships.How are they doing, by the way? Any new possible researchers to recruit?>>30704207This is a pressing matter and should be completed quickly.
>>30704295cyborgs are going to require someones body and we really are not playing that kinda of AI.
>>30704256Gonna add when my brain stops pounding read later this weekend.>>30704127>Advanced Ship Modification engaged."A most interesting choice, Ophion. I look forward to unlocking these secrets."Next------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Gonna fuse some together/speed it up some, I hope you guys don't mind.>RedOnce he finished getting over his addiction, he sent an apology message to you. Anything to say beyond your acceptance?>Lightling Presence increaseLikely the mother you detected before. Should you set about doing something about that?>Latuma TribeThey completed their terraforming efforts. Anywhere in particular you want to send them, or let them choose?
>>30704323Animal testing, silly. *Snore*
>>30704323Then we use it on the seriously wounded or hurt with no chance of recovery. Least we give them a choice.
>>30704295You are correct. You don't have to use her for it.>>30704300On the planet? Researchers, no. There are other staff you could hire, if you had a need for it.
>>30704323some people would be fine becoming cyborgs since if you have a pacemaker you are a cyborg>>30704342or vat grown limbs
>>30704356>Then we use it on the seriously wounded or hurt with no chance of recovery. Least we give them a choice.you remember the xenos we found on the ice planet right?
>>30704335Start communicating with the Lightlings!Begin an active effort to diplomatize them with gifts, whether that be asteroids with high electric charge or energy pellets.
>>30704335>>RedNope. I would rather he wasn't in on our super addictive alcohol. >>Lightling Presence increaseWe can deal with that when we finish Lightling DNA research>>Latuma TribeObviously the only choice is the fungus world.
>>30704371they tried to replace their brains there that is why it went bad
>>30704335>>Latuma Tribecould we ask if they could do anything for that dead world we found the Viral AI on?
>>30704335I'm good. I want to try diplomancing the Malorians again.
>>30704356We Robocop now.>>30704335>RedWe're cool, man. Hang tight, you'll have your power armor soon.>LightlingsI can't really justify doing anything to them. Perhaps we should try to snag some genetic material from one. Gotta cover our ships in their energy-absorbing skin.>Latuma TribeI have no preference.
>>30704414You can ask that. Though, that planet is filled with radiation and plague weapons.
>>30704335to Red:"It's alright, just stick to water and you'll be fine. Also, keep up the system scanning, we need the data badly. But good news, we are working on those power armor you want. We hope to have ready it soon."Lightings:hum. i say unless they get really agressive, hold off until we finish the Lighting DNA tech and see what more we can do then.>Latuma TribeWe have some barren empty worlds in our Nextol system they can use. Also, tell the Elder there is a population of Malorians on our Dresh system as well they may want to talk to. they could be friendly with your tribe or if they lack a tribe, they may want to join yours. it wouldn't hurt to talk to them.
>>30704414It's not going to get rid of the radiation. And the biological weapons will probably just get more powerful.>>30704507>tell the Elder there is a population of Malorians on our Dresh system as well they may want to talk toNice catch.
>>30704430i though we had some unused berren worlds in our Nextol system?
>>30704430page 9 warning program0!
>>30704559Yup I am aware.>>30704526Oh, OTHER worlds? Yeah, probably haha.Alright then! That's almost everything...Quick questions & answers>Ophion will likely be busy this cycle, to explain why you haven't gone to other worlds quite yet. A lot of things, Fortuna particularly, affected him.Next>Resource distribution>1 Save for Bandwidth Bunkers>2 Save>3 Build Ships>4 Build defenses>5 Write in
>>30704594>>1 Save for Bandwidth Bunkers
>>30704594>1 Save for Bandwidth Bunkers
>>30704594>2 Saveand>5 Write inpitch our services for making deep bunkers for the UFW. see if there are any takers for super deep bunkers.
>>30704668our gas reserves is too low. OH! btw, we should convert our old Titan transport to a better engines reactor.
>>30704594>>30704609>>30704613>>30704620>>30704668It seems most of the thread has gone off to sleep now, haha.>Bandwidth Bunkers it isYou take time contemplating all that has happened. Gazing upon Fortuna, an witnessing what she has become has you unsure of future upliftings. You hope this is a rare occurrence, and certainly it means you will be more cautious picking them in the future.Regardless. The crystal alien makes you curious, with large, powerful Construction drones at your disposal, you feel far more able to interact with planets around you then ever before.[End Thread]Thank you all for joining me for this one, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. I'll be around for a bit for comments, questions and feedback like that. Twitter: AIQuest1 For those wondering what time stuff happensArchive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0
>>30704668Nah, lets not, Id rather have an ace up our sleeve incase anything happens, not show them the card.
>>30704722Hey can we make another AI? One's not currently in production.
>>30704751What is the purpose of the A.I. you had in mind?Fortuna sorta counts.
>>30704335Does the new tech replace the primary - or does it come in as a tertiary pushing the other two up?
>>30704775I suppose a tactician or diplomat would be nice. Or a ship designer.But if Fortuna is still considered to be uplifting I can drop it.
>>30704722all those posters who wanted so much BW, i don't think they realized that they can only transmit a set amount of it. once we get that ship modifer tech, we should go all out ship building. and yes, many people are asleep. it's late. and i hope to get my next chapter done soon.
>>30704805It's 7am here.>Been following the thread since first post.I have no idea what I'm doing.
>>30704722What are credits backed by? The UGEI gov? Does the UFW and UGEI use different currencies?
>>30704825you're posting on one of the best quest thread /tg/ has in a long time.
>>30704825Jeez anon, now I feel guilty...and weirdly proud.
>>30704837credits in this setting it seems are like today's Bitcoin. but are 'real' currency.
>>30704775So there'd be negative consequences if we created a new A.I.?
>>30704837Nope. UFW is a rebel country of the UGEI. They can hardly afford to mint their own currency. Besides, the agreed upon system is the simplest. If every planet started having their own money, things...quickly get out of hand.
>>30704874So they're back by the UGEI?
>>30704889the UGEI are backing the UFW so they can go to war with each other?
>>30704775>What is the purpose of the A.I. you had in mind?Fierce in combat, but expressive and artistic in times of peace. Passionate, and keenly aware of the malleability of conscious thought as well as its own mortality.A warrior-poet.
>>30704889>>30704908Credits are bitcoins.
>>30704868More like it's too complex to make more then one a cycle.>>30704889Back? What do you mean?They 'make' their own money, just as any government does, but it's considered credits to be the simplest.>>30704844Christ anon, don't fill my ego that way. I can't handle it.
>>30704908well, people in nations that don't like the USA will still accept the ol' US Dollar bill.
>>30704722Thanks for yet another thread Program0!We sure did have a lot of things happen to us this session.>Bandwidth Bunkers it isPhase one of Operation: Bunker Planet is in effect.
>>30704918Beehive hairdo optional. Yo way yo
>>30704961BW is only as good as there are enough ships to use it on. we are lacking the ships.
>>30705119Nugga PLEASE. BW is what we use for hacking and for making sure our ships hit. And for androids.
>>30704966I'm not kidding about the warrior-poet thing. If Fortuna ends up being rehabilitated, it would be very fitting.
>>30704975So stuff to do next week:Diplomance the Malorians (again)Contact Mol for black market operations.Create a new AI.So I'm thinking about the new AI. The greatest existential threat is the UGEI pounding on our door, and our greatest weapon is our hacking ability. Therefore, we should create a hacking AI, a playful, creative artist and trickster.
>>30705292i think we need to learn from what went wrong with fortuna before we try again. we should talk with OUR malorians first. but yes, we do need to talk with Mol again.
>>30705145I wouldn't mind a warrior poet.
>>30705145>>30705438Ask per my earlier comment, I think a hacking specialist AI would benefit us more.
>>30705463that hacking is best done by us.
>>30705463Cyber warrior poet. Beautiful.
>>30705480We were stopped by Prometheus's virus wall. We need better tools to break it and further advanced cyber defenses. And what better person to break it than an AI?For fun, it should be named Nyx, the mate of Erebos
>>30705497Heh, nice idea. A Cyber poet, can write viruses like one can write poems. Her hacking is a siren's call that lures systems to her doom.
>>30705552>HerNot muh Kai. Dropped.
>>30705609>KaiSorry I don't get that reference. Since we already have a Apollo, I guess we can name her after one of the muses.
>>30705649Sorry, when someone suggested a warrior poet I immediately thought of Kai from Lexx.
>>30705693is it strange I made Mando chants based off of his race for my groups starwars game