/tg/, Scenario for you: Due to a massive combined effort on the part of all the Warp entities that are at odds with Chaos, primarily Malal, copies of all the traitor Primarchs and the dead loyalist Primarchs pop into the 41st Millennium in the same place, each leading their Legion at full strength and considerable Imperial Army, Navy, and Mechanicum forces, along with millions of colonists. Accompanying them are small forces from the remaining Loyalist Legions, each only numbering several thousand Astartes and a few ships.These doppelgangers were taken from different times, each hailing from the point in the Crusade where they had the most battlefield experience and strongest Legions, but had not yet begun to grow bitter and disenchanted, or develop serious rivalries with their brother Primarchs. The strangest change is the healing of Konrads madness and the mysterious disappearance of the Butchers Nails from Angrons head.The fleet has enough supplies to keep going for several decades without support, or for a few years with the kind of constant heavy combat that was typical of the Great Crusade.They come out in the boondocks of Segmentum Pacificus, in a backwater Sector with a high number of Feudal, Feral, and Deathworlds that has been hit particularly hard by the massed revolts of the Night of a Thousand Rebellions and is being raided by dozens of Chaos Space Marine warbands drawn to a vulnerable target. Unbeknownst to all, the Sector is about to be invaded and overrun by a massive Ork Waaagh!!!What Happens?
>>30718552> What Happens?It gets reposted everyday.
>>30718552Inquisition BLAMS, everyone dies.
>>30718552Perturabo takes a single planet and fortifies it so hard that the real Perturabo comes over from Medrengard to try and knock it down. It would be interesting to see.
>>30718712It's been reposted a grand total of *one* times. Calm your tits.
>>30718552Who wins: Daemon Primarch Angron infused with the power of ANGER and BLOOD and BAT WINGSOr:Crusade-era Angron who can into rational thinking and tactics for the first time in his adult life.
OP here: Small bit I forgot to add: This is not Just As Planned for anyone but Malal and the cabal of angry not-Daemons working with him. Tzeentch is just as surprised by a second Magnus running about in the wild with a Legion that isn't dust-filled Vase-Marines as anyone else.
>>30718951>What is this, an image for ants?
It's suddenly an awesome time to be human.Seriously, in many ways the Chaos Gods stole the cream of Primarch crop when they struck, and the Imperium suddenly has them again. The Great Crusade is still on, and there are no brakes.Assuming they maintain their cohesion after somebody interrogates a high-ranking CSM or raids an Inquisitorial Stronghold in the interest of finding out what the fuck is going on and discovers that the Horus Heresy was a thing, they're going to conquer the fucking Imperium.
>>30718951NOT AS PLANNEDNOT AS PLANNED
I need someone to writefag this. Pre-Heresy Marines freaking out after first contact with CSMs are my fetish. Especially when a Daemon Prince or Chaos Dreadnaught recognizes HIMSELF among his foes.Also, the idea of having Horus bitchslap the Imperium back into working order 10,000 years after he himself fucked it up is hilarious to me.
>>30719557Can you imagine how glorious living in an Imperium of Man that WASN'T SHIT would be?
>>30718724>>30718789>>30719708I don't know how it begins, but I do know where it goes mid-stream.The loyalists have been clever. Angron sought out a World Eaters blood orgy and with his Warhound Legion, killed them to a man, painting in blood and skulls a challenge to his double.The site is to be the Istvaan system, which Peturabo has fortified into network second only to Terra.Of the campaign, there are a thousand stories to be told, how Lorgar met The Urizen and sent him screaming back into The Warp, how the Mournival fought Abbadon, There too are the stories of how the Red Angel broke the Daemonic Angron, guile overcoming rage...
I'm imagining an epic psychic Rockoff between Magnus and Magnus. On the one hand, Daemon infused with the power of a Chaos God. On the other hand, rational, not bathshit crazy, and probably packing anti-Daemon weapons.Actually, I'm pretty sure that goes for every VS fight.
man the Deceiver and the Changling would have a fucking time with this shit
Ah, but how does the God-Emperor react?Was he part of the resurrection of the Great Crusade?
>>30718552>MalalKeep your Fantasy drivel to yourself, MIDF. That shit was excised from 40K for a reason.
>>30722222Grandmaster of the New and Now Awesome Grey Knights?Magnus in TruSilver Clad, with a holy lance that had been tempered in the Emperor's blood? The 666 rites of detestation tatooed on his back? Has he been soul-bound to his father like the navigators?Perhaps by his side is, Lorgar in armor made of the bones of Saints? On his back, a shrine to the God Emperor? If Magnus weilds the Lance, then Lorgar is his shield bearer, the shield of faith for the blade of witchcraft.
>>30722558Fuck off, Malal is awesome.
>>30718990>>30719631guys; its a "small bit", get it?
>>30722222>>30722686>>30721494>>30719708Can we make this into a /tg/ setting?Also I think the Emprah would be in on the whole thing, what with sort of being a chaos god.
>>30725466I don't see why the fuck not
Let me get this straight.We have a full 18 Loyal Primarchs vs. 7 or 8 Daemon Prince Primarchs?I'm wondering how Gorillaman will react to seeing his enshrined body, or how Horus will feel about "his" betrayal of his father and killing Sanguinus.
>>30726381I was kind of assuming that Gorrillaman and the rest returned, so he and Caliban-boy woke up from their naps, Vulkan, Russ, and the rest sort of appeared, but I do like the idea of Gorrillaman seeing his dead self. I imagine it involves tears and manly oath taking.
>>30726381Russ showing up and discovering Magnus is not only still alive, but there are two of him, and the one that's still sane wants a fucking accounting for Prospero.
>>30726662>>30726381>>30725466I suppose one question is the mood we're going for here, since Grimdark says it all ends terribly, but this seems more like a Fist of the North Star style story of manly tears and badassery, so I think what we get is Magnus and Russ almost coming to blows, when Russ breaks down, says he can't do it again. And Magnus is still pissed and is wailing on him, telling Russ to stand and fight, and Russ is literally in tears, turns out he's never gotten over the guilt, turns out one of the reasons he went into the Warp was to find Magnus, felt he needed to finish what he started and perhaps with his death, he could finally erase his mistake.
>>30726381Eh, I kind of assumed in my original premise that Guilliman wouldn't be there because he's still technically alive, and not Chaos. Same with Vulkan, Russ, Khan, and Lion El'Johnson. Finding and making peace with their surviving brothers would probably be just as big a hurdle to rebuilding the Imperium as somehow perma-killing their insane Chaos spiky selves. Especially Russ and Magnus.
>>30722686One of the few cool things about HH was the implication that Lorgar was the Emperors Daemon-slaying son, in the same way that Magnus was his Psyker, Rogal Dorn was his wall-builder, etc. So I could definitely see him becoming heavily involved with the Grey Knights.
>>30726842For what it's worth, in the Dornian Heresy the Word Bearers become mini-Grey Knights.
>>30726749I don't really see HOW this can all end terribly. We've pretty much got Great Crusade 2: Electric Boogaloo starting in the Segmentum that has seceded from the Imperium twice and is currently burning in rebellion, making it the MOST likely place to support random Primarch appearance.With all the Primarchs, once they figure out why exactly the Imperium is so shit, having direct examples of why Chaos is a Bad Idea confronting them in the form of their own bastardized Legions or, for some, battlefield records of their damned selves, there's not really any danger of history repeating itself. The weakest links, Curze and ANGRY, are effectively cured of what made them fall in the first place, and can see exactly where their respective madnesses would have taken them.And then you have the other Great Threats: Orks? Sanguinus killed a Warboss the size of a fucking Warhound Titan in the Great Crusade. No challenge there. Chaos? Once they get the hang of fighting fellow Astartes, one side is going to have massively superior numbers, superior logistics, and is going to be commanded by goddamn Primarchs. There is no contest. Tyranids? Vanilla Ultramarines defeated a Hive Fleet, Horus is going to have Leviathan for breakfast once he gets his supply and reinforcement lines in order. Eldar/DEldar? Magnus kicked their shit in during the Great Crusade, and will do so again. Necrons? Maybe the ones with the best shot actually killing a Primarch if, say, Angron charges a Monolith without understanding exactly what he's facing, but unless a LOT of them wake up at once, will still ultimately fall. Tau? Nigger what the fuck are doing. Seriously.The only real threat to their conquest is the Imperium itself, and it will be a house divided in bloody civil war as worlds, factions, and Chapters declare for one side or the other.>CONT
>>30727618An empire burning with civil war would stand little chance against the greatest military and logistical minds the human race has ever known (Depending on your definition of "Human"), even if one side were not in favor of said superhuman conquerors in the first place. Who here can see the Imperial Fists or Iron Hands refusing the call to arms of their own Primarch returned? The Blood Angels would take longer than most because they've had t deal with counterfeit Primarchs before, but would eventually fall in line. The only real question is what happens with the remaining First Founding Chapters and their close successors, especially since they have long-lost members of their own parent legions in the Army of Horus.Any way it goes, it's only a matter of time before the High Lords fall, and a new Golden Age begins.
>>30727692I think the first to join would be the Space Wolves. After all they have a Great-Crusade era dreadnought in stock, who can testify "yup, that's Russ all right". Plus they were kind of waiting for him to return.
>>30727800See:>>30726799Russ is MIA, not dead. This both calls his Chapters support into question and points toward some kind of final smackdown or resolution with not-spiky Magnus. I could definitely see Bjorn lobbying in their favor just because he remember how fucking awesome the Golden Age was. Plus, Logan is an idealist who believes that the Imperium, as screwed as it is, could become the Utopia the Allfather envisioned, so returning humanity to its former heights would appeal to him.
I'm imagining the Mechanicum looking at the modern AdMech and going: "It took you fuckers HOW LONG to go from mark 7 Armor to Mark 8?".We need some kind of Techpriest Look-Of-Disapproval image macro for that shit.
>>30727692Fucking THIS. Horus broke the defenses of the Imperium once with fewer resources and far tougher opposition. Round 2: Loyalist Edition is a cakewalk even if he has no memory of last time.
You guys are all missing the biggest questions here:1: Does Alpherius show up or doesn't he? Because his absence implies that he is both alive and loyalist, which begs the question of who exactly Guilliman killed on the Hydra Viet Cong planet. Or is he there, but extremely alarmed, as if something as gone wrong that he refuses to share with his brothers, or does he just fucking leave immediately after realizing that he's in the future and vanish into the Void?2: The two so-called Lost Primarchs: They're either traitors OR dead whoever they were, so now they're supposedly kind of hanging out awkwardly with the Legions they were intended to command.
>>30718552Is that a giant fucking Genestealer in the upper left corner there?
>>30727982>2: The two so-called Lost Primarchs: They're either traitors OR dead whoever they were, so now they're supposedly kind of hanging out awkwardly with the Legions they were intended to command.This is really the most interesting part of all this to me. So much room for potential, any ideas?
>>30727982>>30732349the Emperor forsaw the heresy, made up a scam to fool the rest of the primarchs into thinking that they have been destroyed.instead the emperor sent them beyond the reach of the astronomicon to return when he has completed the webway and to build another imperium in the processbut in the middle of waiting they were brought backwould explain why they are never excommunicate but just never spoken of
>>30732874So what do their legions do? IE Ultras are vanilla, Iron Fists do siege shit, White Scars do mobility...
>>30732349I actually have a theory about the lost Primarchs. Bear with me here:1: Several of the Primarchs refused to serve the Emperor before he defeated them in some sort of challenge, and I believe Dorn originally built the Phalanx to *oppose* the Emperor with, not to better serve him awesomely. Therefore, it follows that one of the lost Primarchs was probably the First Secessionist: A Son that refused to bow.2: In Mortarions youth, he was found by one of the gigantic bus-fume-breathing bastard aliens that ruled his homeworld and used him, at first as a slave warrior, and later as a commander, in his wars against his fellow Overlords. This is why he was able to roll with serving Nurgle so well: He got his start leading armies of zombies, summoned Daemons, and Xeno-Beasts in the service of a cruel and inhuman lord, bearing the word of papa N wasn't too much of a leap.However, I digress: The main point is that, eventually, Mortarion discovered the enslaved human populations that lived at lower altitudes, invented biohazard suits, and lead them in a war of extermination against his former masters. What if he hadn't? What if his "father" had been better at brainwashing, or he'd been treated like one of them, and been seduced by the perks of being an evil overlord? It's my theory that the second Lost Primarch was a servant of the Alien, and he turned his back on his own kind when the choice was given to him.Now, on to roles:In my head I have a sort of vague picture of this big bastard with a black stubble-beard and jagged black shark-teeth. Probably a sneaky run-and-gun sort. Lots of overlap with Alpherius' tactics, but more inclined to maneuver warfare and just being an absolute bastard to nail down than infiltration and sabotage, and, personally, extremely anti-authoritarian. Also a very capable Admiral, and better at space combat than his brothers. Mongol Warlord IN SPACE and Viking King IN SPACE, say hello to your brother, Pirate Captain IN SPACE.
>>30733230Ultramarines are LOGISTICS and RESOURCE MANAGEMENT and CONSTRUCTING ADDITIONAL SCVS. They're the Emperors world-builders and Mathsmen.Iron HANDS do grinding, bloody wars of attrition against equal and opposite forces, and they fucking excel at it. Iron WARRIORS are Siegesmiths beyond compare, and damn good at building fortresses too, although not as good at building as the Imperial Fists.
>>30736133For the second guy...I've got nothing. Maybe his thing would have been the Emperors Beastmaster? Putting the myriad strange and terrible creatures found by the Great Crusade to work for the Emperor, in war and in labor?
>>30722558Eat a dick, Malal is the best chaos god.
>>30736306Malal 4 life, bro.
>>30726662Magnus accepted Prospero's destruction as his punishment for ruining the Emperor's Webway project. He'd likely look at this change of events as a way to repent. I'd think he'd leave Prospero in ruin to remind others what happens when even the Primarchs doubt or mistrust the Emperor's judgement. Also he'd probably get the Emperor back to fighting shape.
>>30718552>What happens?GW buttfucks themselves while writing shitfag rules for the newly arrived units, and charges ultra-premium prices for themodels cuz historicnostalgiagarbage.
>>30736399Actually, Magnus realized that Tzeentch was trying to use him to destroy the Space Wolves Legion and Russ, so he decided to only let that bastard have half his goal, scattered the fleet, and turned off all the orbital defenses. Eventually, though, he decided "Fuck this shit" and left his pyramid to go out in a blaze of glory alongside his Legion and the last of the Prospero PDF, giving Leman Russ a hell of a fight without using any of his powers, and with a weapon that was built more as a psychic focus than as a serious blade to bootThen Tzeentch offered to save him and the last of his Legion at the last second, and when he accepted, pulled a "Just as Planned" and told him this was his goal all along. I, personally, believe this is bullshit, because Tzeentch is a lying bastard, and turning a failed scheme to your advantage by deceiving your victim into believing he was your puppet all along is right up his alley, but whatever.
>>30736133American Indians with power tomahawks in space
>>30736254>Emperors BeastmasterALL OF MY YES.Remember those acid scorpion spiders you had so much trouble with on the third moon of Daki, Guilliman? Well I made specialized artillery shells that will release dozens of the bastards behind enemy lines, which opens up a perfect opportunity for the Titan-Killing Dragons of Arath 9 and the Walktopus Calvary to hit them hard.
>>30736133Or a legion of blanks that had to be replaced by the sisters of silence due to rebellion
>>30736680The Soulless Children legion II
>>30736680I never really liked the "Null Legion" idea. It seemed kind of...Cardboard-y to me. No real substance.
>>30733230>>30736133I've always liked the idea that they sent one to negotiate with the Eldar. We don't know what went wrong, but the craftworld was later found purged of all life. Big E assumed it was daemons and was going to try again with Fulgrim, as he was his back up diplomat, but the Heresy sort of got in the way.So Diplomat as one of them?
>>30736667>>30736994I think these could both work. The Emperors Diplomat to the inhuman and the alien, and also his beast-tamer: The guy most likely to show up to the battle with Xenos crab-people auxiliaries and giant spider Calvary. Also has magnificent hair and a power-tomahawk just fucking because.
>>30736133I nominate this as the theme song for secessionist Pirate Primarch:>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSoo4B2hFUPower-Cutlass, small (For him) Chainaxe that he uses as a chain-hatchet, a brace of Hotshot laspistols on a chain around his neck for boarding actions against dudes bad enough to need Hotshot weapons.
>>30736994That wouldn't be a betrayal, which is what the HH series heavily implied the missing Primarchs were missing because of. He would be Missing and Presumed Dead, but not scrubbed from history in shame.
>>30737133Well, magnificent hair is a must if you're going to be a diplomat.He'd likely show up in M41, show up on some Nid covered battlefield and be all 'Nooooooooooo! Don't kill these creatures!!!!' Days later he has a horde of pet Nids and a Carnifex named Spot.He'd also probably try convincing the Tau to join his part of the Imperium.Think Farsight is Bro-tier enough to do it?
>>30737369By the time they get to Ultima Segmentum they're pretty much going to own the Imperium, and since the AdMech will be the Mechanicum, and therefore actually innovating, again, the Tau have just lost the two things that have kept them from being curbstomped:1: The Imperium being retarded and incompetent, while they're not.2: The Imperium being technologically stagnant, while they're not.Farsight jumps on the bandwagon, and pretty soon Earth Caste artisans are en route to Mars and the Ethereals are but a memory.
>>30736713>WalktopusOctodad in Power Armour turns me on. WHY?>>30736635So Rogue Trader-era Dark Angels that take lessons from Chief Thunder? HARDCORE.
>>30737133Space marines riding dragons, fuck yeah
>>30737504Exactly, and feather fucking headdresses with their enemies bones on them for their chaplains, call them some shaman name like ghostwalker
>>30737244So basically turns the Imperial Navy into a fleet of pure badass?I'd also imagine he loves his thunderhawk assaults.Also the sort for calligraphy and poetry?
>>30737504This entire thread is pretty much "40K is now Metal again, Wat Do".
>>30739609Play it again.This needs to be a DH/RT/DW setting.
>>30739904I'd run it.The Acoylets are sent in to investigate some weird shit in rebellion-wracked Pacificus, when suddenly LUNA WOLVES.KILL FOR THE LIVING, KILL FOR THE DEAD!
>>30736572I agree with you, but that still doesn't solve the poster who I replied to's problem.
>>30739974It's a major plot point. If everything goes perfectly for the crew, then it's a good story idea made boring. This guy:>>30726749Has the best idea in my humble opinion.
>>30736925Might as well leave their legion name blank
>>30721494What makes you think the crusaders would win?Ever traitor primarch is going to have a meltdown when they meet their daemon self, yet the daemon primarchs won't give a shit and will just kill them while the crusading primarchs are still trying to wrap their heads around thing.The galaxies a lot tougher than it was back in 30k, they will only triump if the merge with the Imperium, which only happens if they can somehow get over the fact that their seen as the or st of traitors
Hey guys,Hey, Guys!What ifJust hear me out guysBut what ifWhat if the primarchs and shit that came back were from the Dorian heresy?!??
>>30740164>every traitor primarch is going to have a meltdownI think once they know about what happened during the HH and all the shit about "Chaos" along with Magnus going "yup the Warp's pretty fucked up right now" after taking a peak they'll be able to understand what happened, how things are going, and after some planning, how to GREAT CRUSADE 2. Also Magnus would probably end up fixing the Emperor and taking his place on the Throne for a while so the Emp could sort all this shit out.
>>30736133I always imagine one of the lost primarchs and their legion just lost a massive war. They simply got slaughtered and were erased from history to1) make sure the wider imperium still believed that space marines were the end all be all, know of a whole legion being destroyed would have hurt the entire imperium image of being the great protector.2) as a subtle way of blackmailing the other primarchs not to fail and scare them into behaving and succeeding.It some how just feels right as its suitably cold hearted yet kind of understandable.
>>30740164Read the rest of the thread. Main points:>Massive numerical superiority unless they somehow get all the Chaos Warbands together at one (HINT: NOT GONNA HAPPEN)>Not batshit crazy>Most likely will figure that whole "horus heresy" thing BEFORE facing their doubles.>Probably packing anti-daemon weapons>Will have a lot of the Imperium on their side>Did I mention that they won't be fucking crazy?
>>30736572It's was his plan all along.Remember Ahriman is also one of his main puppets and who convinced Magnus to fight back and not just roll over and die? Ahriman.Also not only did Magnus put up a good fight, he was dominating until Magnus picked Russ up and Russ just flailed his arms randomly, and by chance poking Magnus in his only eye, blinding him. This is actually what happens in A Thousand Sons
>>30740273There's a big difference between hearing about how you fuck up completely (which is already mind ruining shit), and then meeting your future self.You give these guys far more credit than they deserve, primarchs are as emotionally unstable as they get. Lorgar, Fulgrim, horus would completely break down hear they THEY become the arch traitors (and more importantly failing in horus's case)
>>30740459You do realize they are taking on, chaos and everyone else too, including the imperium. With zero back up from mars or the army.They are also going to have to learn the hard way with tyranids, necrons and tau (lol)
>>30740357The thing is, the other Primarchs didn't act like this was it. Lorgar feared that his Legion would join the Lost because the Emperor viewed him as being dangerously close to ruining his vision, and Vulkan said that the reason why he'd waited so long before deciding to call Curze out on his actions was because nobody wanted another empty plinth before the gates of the Imperial Palace, and he feared Curze was so far beyond help that this would be the only option.
>>30740620Sorry for the typos
>>30740712Well there are two missing primarchs, they both can have different fates. I just find the idea that none of them died from combat odd (considering how reckless and crazy the ones that ARE around are)
>>30740620You give these guys far less than they deserve. If anything they would get pissed at themselves and seek a way to right their wrongs. They'd dedicate their EXISTENCE to eradicating all traces of their traitorous past. Horus would probably get pissed off at Abaddon and Aximand for tossing him into that goddamned warp portal, although I don't think he'd get pissed at the new Ab and Ax, he'd just tell them "I am not your actual father calm down."
>>30740682Once again, read the rest of the thread. The Imperium will likely fall into massive civil war, making it vulnerable to all its foes, including the Primarchs. They beat the shit out of Orks, Eldar, ad dark Eldar, and the Imperium alone has managed to hold its own against the others so far. They also are explicitly stated to have Imperial army, Navy, and Mechanicum (That's pretty important) support. What happens is that Pacificus secedes for the third time in its history, this time because of Primarchs. The Primarchs then go on rotation in a holding action against the Imperium while the rest fortify, raise armies, recruit for their Legions, improve infrastructure, consolidate their hold on the Segmentum, and generally do Crusade things. Maybe 20 years later (Remember, they fucking BUILT the entire Imperium in around 200 years. Renovating less than a fifth of it is no biggie, even without Guillimans backup), the True Imperium declares war on the Galaxy. Meanwhile, the Imperial Fists, who have a base on Terra, have been quietly sabotaging the defenses on orders from their miraculously resurrected Primarch, in preparation for the Third Siege of Terra.
>>30740620I think Lorgar would have the easiest time with it, ironically, as he could chalk it up to his faith failing and it'd just make him that much more devoted to the Emperor.I think Ferrus Manus would be the key to keeping Fulgrim together, as he'd be freaking out. If Manus sees how crazy his Legion is and tones down his perfectionism, then he can be there for Fulgrim. Slash fiction aside, I imagine that Fulgrim will be obsessively protective of his brother.Horus, I just imagine Horus at the feet of his father's throne sobbing. I think he's badass enough to get up and take charge of the massive army to destroy chaos, but I could also see him becoming a lone wolf (haha, get it?) paladin type, leaving Torgaddon in charge as HOPE RIDES ALOOOOOOONE
>>30740459I dunno, I think Chaos would pull it together for one last Black Crusade. Aside from that I agree.And the Daemon Primarchs would totally make it into a personal grudge match.
>>30741066>I dunno, I think Chaos would pull it together for one last Black Crusade....Which promptly collapses in on itself as both the open Alpha Legion and the many, many, many hidden Alpha Legion within the other warbands turn on their fallen "Brothers" in an epic reversal of the Zero Hour Battle.HYDRA DOMINATUS
>>30741135>Chaos-Brother Alph, what are you doing with your bolt-*BLAM*
>>30741009Actually the mention of Manus brings something up. So we know that the Primarchs were engineered via genetics but they also had a touch of warp magic in them. Chances are the Emperor "built" their souls in the warp. Manus' soul was basically devoured by Fulgrim's blade, wasn't it? So we'd have to assume Malal completely reconstructed his soul or Manus was truly lost when his head was hacked off.
>>30722686>LorgarYou mean, that the 40k Imperial faith isn't exactly what Lorgar wanted from scratch ?Seriously, this whole setting is the endgame. Humanity has won, and because of Girlyman, Alpharius, Vulkan and Lorgar primarily. While the other are perfect fighters, those 4 are the brain behind the brawl and can get the huge bureaucracy actually do their thing.
>>30741424He'll probably have a reckoning with his brothers over whether or not to purge the Imperial faith from the new Empire or not. His faith in the divine is exactly what got all of them into this mess in the first place.
>>30741664Yes but as the Emperor is already seen as a god and more importantly is nearly a god Himself (living saints, miracles, etc..), they can simply decide to roll with it and let Lorgar be in charge of the PR with imperial citizen, since he has been engineered to be the best for that. After all it's only half a lie and it's the most efficient thing to do.His faith in the divine was a problem when big E was trying to be full atheist, but now that it isn't on the agenda anymore, it's alright.
>>30741768It's gonna come up at some point in the New Empire of Man's future, better to deal with it before they decide to just run with it. Most of the men that would be resurrected really did believe in the Imperial Truth. They wouldn't see him as a god and would probably just be like "Oh right, those psyker dudes. So the Emperor's like the cream of the crop and because he's so good at everything some people just think he's a god." Chances are someone's gonna let slip that the New-Old Adeptus Astartes don't believe that the Emperor is a god and hooboy is there going to be hell.
>>30741009The thing is I just don't think horus's pride could take it that he failed and was simply forgotten, it's the whole reason he turned to chaos in the first place.This guy >>30740983 just assumes everything is going to go perfectly, that their enemies just roll over and die, that they are going to all get along swimmingly and just say "oh well" when they realize what's happened and find out their future. The point is, that's not going to happen because that's not how the primarchs ever have reacted. Hell there's a good chance that some of them turning traitor again. Also they aren't going to just "get along", mortarion hates psykers, he (and others) are always going to hate Magnus. If you change this then theyre not really the primarch so what the point of this?
>>30741768You do realize that all the other primarchs fiercely believed in the imperial truth? Just because Lorgar might like the new imperium doesn't mean the others won't just turn around and tell him fuck up while they purge the imperium
>>30741996Horus' pride COULDN'T take it, but I do believe his psyche would humble itself instead of straight up cracking. He would understand, from a logical standpoint, why the HH was forgotten. He turned to Chaos because he was deceived. He'd see the future he was shown had come to pass, but only because he gave into the corruption and not because the Emperor wanted to become a god.
>>30742715Like I said earlier, manly tears at the Emprah's feet.Perhaps Sanguinus plays Kowaru as well?So given the reaction to >>30741009, I think we're thinking Horus goes through a long phase of HOPE RIDES ALONE, assigning himself some sort of mad task that he somehow manages to complete, allowing himself to then return to his Legion?Again, this is more MANLY TEARS PIERCE THE HEAVENS WITH A DRILL sort of a feel.
>>30737714>Imperial Navy re-vamped around privateers>Crew cuts a cut of all salvage>Officers and Captain elected from among senior crew>Everyone is armed to the teethLAH DAH DAH DAH DUM DA DUMLAH DAH DAH DAH LAH DAH DAH
>>30742901Coming to terms with the fact that you fucked up in an alternate timeline and became a (literal) evil monster, confronting your damned and mutated doubles, overcoming the differences between yourself and your brothers, earning the forgiveness of those who opposed you after your fall to evil, briding the gulf with your two lost Brothers: The rebellious Pirate captain and the warrior-chieftain who would unite a thousand Xenos races beneath his banner, and remaking the Galaxy as it was MEANT to be. For justice, for righteousness, for redemption, for the End of Days.Yeah, this is some Fist of the North Star shit right here.
>>30742059Guilliman believed in the Truth so hard he nuked an Imperial-but-faithful city without a second thought when Emps asked him to. Yet when the faith started spreading like wildfire post-heresy, he did shit all to stop it despite being the most influential man in the Imperium, because he rightly judged that they had bigger fish to fry.
>>30745209That could just mean that he's as much of a bipolar manbabby as the rest of the Primarchs.
>>30745209Yeah, they'd probably give the Ecclesiarchy the axe, but not persecute the 80%+ of the Imperium that believes the Emperor is a God.
>>30746028Would they close the loophole about "men-at-arms" and end the Sisters of Battle?
>>30727618>necrons>a threat>a bigger threat than the nids, even
>>30746515When the nids figure out how to remotely detonate stars by poking parts if a holomap, then they'll be considered a threat.
>>30722695>>30722763>>30723746WHFB shills, fuck off.
>>30746615The Necrons are going to be a huge question, seeing how there's lots and they've got ridiculous technology. Short of a full Dark Age of Technology shit and then some, I think the Imperium looses a straight fight; I think the solution lies with the Chief and his ability to convince his brothers to work with Xenos, as Trayzn doesn't seem to be terribly pleased serving under Imotekh and I think Zandrekh would be perfectly happy to come to a peaceful settlement. You'll have to kill Imotekh and the Maynarkhs, but Necron allies would be pretty awesome and the only way for humanity to survive, since even the Eldar don't have the strength to oppose them anymore.And the dramatic hook is that it will be ridiculously hard to convince some of the primarchs to work with Xenos, not to mention the Imperium as a whole.
>>30747484Thing is, all the Necrons aren't waking up at once. If the Primarchs can pick off Tomb Worlds as they appear, bringing down the full weight of the Imperial War Machine. With Horus and probably resurrected Guilliman directing shit, and the Imperium rebuilt, they should be able to, barely, hold off the Tyranids and Necrons at the same time.Then you get shit like the Slaught accelerating whatever the fuck their timeline is, or something nasty smashing its way out of the Ghoul Stars, which may fuck up everything. But it's a lot better than Abaddon sitting atop a desecrated Golden Throne, directing a mad war against Hive Fleet Leviathan right up to the Eternity Gate.
>>30736254>>30736667>>30736994>>30737133>>30737281>>30737369Maybe they were also a woman?>>30744976>Yeah, this is some Fist of the North Star shit right here.YOU WA SHOCK!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K5goI_wmBI
How the copies- and the originals- would respond to these events would probably not be the same for all of them.Horus: like everyone has said, when he finds out about the heresy and his role, he'll have a breakdownSanguinius: comforting those who have breakdowns,and merging his legion with the original blood angelsKonrad Curze: out of all the traitors, he would probably be the least phased by his actions, and depending on whether the marines he is leading are still murderers, he would either be attempting to eliminate his men, or else do his thing agaist the original night lordsLorgar (Copy): aside from the break down, he would likely be at home with the theocracy. He might try to convert the original Word Bearers back into the Imperial FaithLorgar (Original): When he hears about this, he will, if anything, seek out the copy, to show him the truth. Since he (and the duplicate) is a masters of preaching, he might see this as a way to prove his faith is correct once and for all, for if they are both perfect preachers, than if they were to debate, than the only way to convince the other is to be of the correct faith.Magnus (original/copy): they could be unique in that the two versions would have little interest in fighting one another. The original may even see this as a possible second chance.As for the others, I'm not sure
>>30748668Except for all of the reasons why that's heresy and the fact that female space marines would be pretty much indistinguishable from the male ones (and they're pretty much asexual anyways), the Emperor would totally do that. Given that most aliens are totally humans+makeup, he'd probably have figured that a 'female' would make a good 'good cop' for negotiations. Her legion would still be male? Or incredibly bishounen? Or the big E figured out how do make it work on women...?But yeah, I'd been thinking that the Emperor had made the Chief to be something of a divergent thinker, see >>30736667, so maybe making her a female so as to stand symbolically apart from her brothers was part of the plan?Of course, as a primarch, she kicks ass and has a brilliant military mind, but she's the Emperor's diplomat and divergent and to aid in that He made her in the form of Woman? (To play on cultural predispositions and to remind everyone that there's multiple approaches to the problems, even though her brain is totally the same as any other primarch.)That or chaos happened, but I prefer the case mod as the Emperor's work.
>>30749044I like your take on all of them, particularly the last two.I imagine that Peturabo would be very bitter, and since we're getting them before they started hating eachother, he'd be mostly angry at himself for having let something so silly get to him. I don't think he'd go in for buddying up with Dorn, and Dorn seems like enough of an asshole not to give Peturabo the chance to do so anyways.I think Peturabo would be obsessed with drawing out the original one, sort of an Iron Cage thing and in a moment of pure badass, he'll reveal that he did work things out with Dorn well enough to let Dorn in on the plan.One of those 'But I know you, this is the end, there's nowhere for you to run''You're right about that, but there's something you missed'<Enter Dorn with a thunderhammer>'I learned from your mistakes.'
>>30749160I picture Fulgrim freaking out when he learns of what he did to Ferrus. I don't really have any other ideas besides the one I mentioned earlier, where Ferrus, who's just seen how his sons have got on without him and yelled at them for being idiots about the whole perfection thing, comes and does a Shounen style slap to cure Fulgrim's depression.I'm not sure what Moritarion does, though.
>>30749044>The original may even see this as a possible second chance.The original totally gave up on life and has decided to let the galaxy burn after the Rubric.
>>30749055>Or the big E figured out how do make it work on women...?She was the prototype for Female Marines, but since she like her Xeno (Chozo expies who probably birth Tzeentch) foster parents better, he decided that maybe woman would be too free willed/easily influenced to be his perfect soldiers and scraped the plans.
>>30749370Meh, that just feels like shoehorning. Also the legion would have already existed and the Emperor seems smarter than that.More likely Female case on the Primarch, male legion.
>>30749640Maybe, since he never knew if she worked out or not at first, and then clearly didn't want to replicate her after meeting...Of course, now the Imperium has all these Space Nuns who'd be more than willing to be upgraded to full Marine status, and Daddy's a bit indisposed of at the moment.
>>30749674Now that I agree with.It's just more the 'Oh, she's a free spirit and the Emprah didn't like that so he decided that women are just unreliable', I dunno, I just don't think he's that big a dick. (I can hear tumblr coming for us.)I'm cool with a female primarch, meh with regard to female spess mahreens, though, I think they'd probably look pretty much like the male ones. (The Chief is likely visibly if the Emperor went through the trouble of making her a her.)Question is what the rest of tg says.
>>30749784Also it turns a bitchin character concept into a MPDG in spess.Whereas a Primarch that the Emperor doesn't quite feel fully comfortable with as they keep insisting on Xeno Auxilia...but then again, if the Emperor bothered making a diplomat, then it meant he intended on more complex negotiation than the usual 'Surrender!' So there's that, too.Hmmm.
>>30749784>Oh, she's a free spirit and the Emprah didn't like that so he decided that women are just unreliableWell it's less that she's a "Free Spirit" and more that she one of the two out of 20 who didn't fall in-line when he came around.When I think "Female Primarch" I think Samus Aran, who is well known for her issues with authority and staying under the thumb of the establishment.
>>30749784Just go away.
>>30749827>Whereas a Primarch that the Emperor doesn't quite feel fully comfortable with as they keep insisting on Xeno Auxilia...>but then again, if the Emperor bothered making a diplomat, then it meant he intended on more complex negotiation than the usual 'Surrender!' So there's that, too.My thinking is she was made to be a diplomat to put Xeno under humanity's rule, but sympathized too much with races the Emperor basically just wanted to enslave, hence why she was rebellious and scrubbed from the annals of Imperial history.
>>30749827Ok, I'm typing this and then sleeping.What if she's rather close with the aliens she ended up with. Emprah suspects that they lean chaos, and he's right, but she doesn't know that and he can't tell her that.Meanwhile the other primarchs are all a bit put off by this chick who pals around with Xenos and keeps collecting weird aliens to use as weapons.Her legion isn't really ready anyways, as the whole female space marine thing doesn't quite work, so he sends her to go talk to the Eldar. Shit goes poorly, Primarchs pressure Emperor into a more strongly anti-Xeno stance and he can't go against that because he's already got to persuade them that Psykers are Ok, besides, with his diplomat gone, what's he to do?Russ disposes of the Xenos Auxilia and any remaining marines are folded into Gorillaman's legion, but most are disposed of as their geneseed is very unstable.I think this works with the existing fluff and makes her 'one of the guys', in terms of being a Primarch. Throw in some childhood stuff and heavily imply that the meet-up with the craftworlders was sabotaged by daemons and that she and her guard are the reason that there is no warp-spider exarch, and I think we're good to go.
>>30749943>What if she's rather close with the aliens she ended up with. Emprah suspects that they lean chaos, and he's right, but she doesn't know that and he can't tell her that.Well this is why I go with the Chozo and Metriod references; Since they birthed Tzeentch and were a race of Machiavellian Bird People, they engineered a horrible psyker eating parasite to basically kill the Chaos Gods through starvation.Since Big E wants humanity to evolve into Psyker Spacemen, this was kind of a big No in his book and he quietly had both exterminated, maybe even using his Daughter to eradicate the Parasites.
>>30749055>>30749370>>30749674>>30749943Oh here we fucking go.Are we literally turning Chief Thunder, Diplomat to the Alien and the Emperors Beastmaster, into a free spirited special snowflake womyn who don't need no man, who was scrapped as a female Space Marine prototype because they would be too divergent and FREE SPIRITS for the tyrannical Xeno-Hating Emperor to control?FUCKING REALLY
>>30750056Told you.>>30750211I think >>30749943 has a workable idea, particularly the bit about being raised by a species that may or may not have Chaotic leanings and having to figure out how to exterminate them without pissing off Chief Thunder.
>>30749055>most aliens are human+makeupNO.Eldar are the closest to humans, and they are freakishly thin, inhumanly agile, and partially fucking crystal. Rak'Gol are freakish lizardman drider Cyborgs, Hrud are five centipedes of varying sizes and a mouth sewed together trying to act like a human, Orks are ugly gorilla hunchbacks with tusks, etc. Have you even fucking SEEN the Other Dangerous Xenos image?Really, the only Prosthetic Forehead Aliens we've seen so far are the Tau and Eldar, and both are pretty damn inhuman outside of the porn.That and the fact that the other Primarchs refer to their lost "Brothers" whenever they do speak of them, indicates that you're grasping at straws to have titty marines.
>>30750211Less Free Spirits and more Anti-HFY...
>>30750317>>30750353The idea is pretty damn solid, but look at the posts above. Within two goddamn posts we've got:>WOMYN FREE SPIRITS THAT DON"T NEED NO EMPEROR>Female Space Marines>Bishi Space Marines>Entirely stripping out the idea of Chief Thunder, leader of the resurrected and re-fluffed Rogue Trader era Dark Angels (Which, personally gives me a boner made of depleted uranium) in favor of a gigantic Metroid reference.I'm not saying that the idea is solid as Hell, or that the above problems have not been hammered out in the handful of posts since then, but just look at them as an omen of what's to come. Fetishists and tumblrinas will push Thunder towards the precipice of Boobplate and Mary-Sue-dom, and autists will scream NO GIRL MARONES!%$#@$%!!!!!! and shit all over everything. The entire discussion will become a wasteland of argument and capslocked announcements of sage-bombing sandwhiched between shitty pictures of Thunderella in a sexy maid outfit.FUCK. THAT.There is literally no way this can be fleshed out without one side or the other pushing it down the same dark road that consumed the Unified Setting and the Harem Knights. Not on /tg/ as it is today.
>>30750518>>Not on /tg/ as it is today.Not just /tg/.Other boards are having the same problem, friend. It's really hurting creativity around.
>>30749230Mortarion would gather his Deathguard and go head-to-head with his doubles Legion, enduring the worst that Nurgles plagues can bring on them, even to the point where many of his Astartes are almost indistinguishable from the enemy they fight, and imprisoning his Daemon Prince self in a stasis-locked casket filled with molten silver, cast into the core of a dark and forgotten planet.Casualties are horrendous once the plagues have run their course, but, as always, they return to fight on another battlefield. The Emperors unbreakable scythe, the Deathguard.
>>30742715But what's to stop chaos corrupting him again? It would be even easier a 2nd time"Look how pathetic the emperors imperium has become without you, blah blah blah"
>>30746615The necrons have the tech and are too stupid to use it. Legitimate threat my ass
>>30750350Good point. Props to GW on that. They do do their aliens well.>>30750353I have to admit I agree with >>30750518. OP is right about what is to come. And you know? It sucks chaos balls, but that's how it is at present.I propose that we leave the gender of Chief Thunder to a better day, when it won't make a difference what they've got under that armor. Until that day, let Chief Thunder be incredibly pretty, as befits a charisma munchkin. Let Thunder take whatever form we imagine them to. Should our work survive this thread, it'll start with jokes, like how Johnson is totally gay or a jew. (According to the Russians)But some day, when tg is better than it is now, Chief Thunder can again be female if we so choose, because on that day, it won't matter.But for now, let's let the matter rest.
>>30750518Really, getting into the Lost Primarchs seemed a huge diversion to me. The initial post was something that could be speculated on based on actual shit, rather than speculating on speculations which is generally the sign that you're engaging in Stupid Bullshit
>>30750597It became pathetic because he fucking burned half of it to the ground and either corrupted or killed most of the people that could stand a chance of putting it back together. By the time Chaos starts whispering to him, he will know this. He will also have probably looted some super-secret off-record Inquisitorial archive or interrogated a confused Daemon Prince or Chaos Dreadnaught that used to be a Luna Wolf, and discovered exactly WHY he fell. They pulled the biggest possible dick move last time, which will bite them in the ass now.
>>30750691Gotta disagree with you there. Chief Thunder being a MANLY SON OF MAN who always negotiates wearing nothing a loincloth to cover his HONOR (And his other honor) and his weapons belt, and negotiates by being so fucking HONORABLE and HONEST and TO THE POINT that the ferocious warrior races (The only ones worth having fucking Primarch be a diplomat to) can't help but decree that he's the best thing since protein cubes is far superior to canon pretty marines and possible genderqueer.
>>30750691So for the moment:Chief Thunder, landed on a world of vaguely avian Xenos. Turns out they have chaos leanings. Oops.God Emperor swings by to pick Thunder up, as Thunder is his Diplomat and Beastmaster, the one to look at things with a slightly unhinged POV. (Like shoving those spider scorpions into shells and having marines ride dragons.)They do some pretty badass shit, but their legion is chronically understrength, gene-seed problems and many of the other Primarchs are a bit wary of them. (Likely Gorillaman, Manus, Peturabo, Dorn, The Lion, Fulgrim, Lorgar, and Moritarion--hits too close to home)They never meet Alpharius or the Pirate, but they'd have hit it off.They get sent off to meet the Eldar, shit gets too real and Chief Thunder vanishes. Gorillaman, Lion, and Manus lead the charge, insisting that Xenos can't be trusted and the Emperor takes a hardline approach. The legion is disbanded, the Auxilia and any Astartes who stand by them are purged.When Thunder returns, they're incredibly pretty, have minimal legion with them, and set about recruiting. Not sure what the RT-era Dark Angels were like, so you'll have to help me with that bit.Does that work for everyone?>>30750584Muh boner. That's the Deathguard I love. Seriously, I may make a Deathguard army now. Fucking love the concept. And I bet they have massive amounts of artillery. Like Krieg all day every day. But more so....
>>30750819I think you forgot your HONOR there, anon.
>>30750845see>>30750819I'm sorry, but I've got to agree with the other anon here. The idea of Chief Thunder being a pretty marine or the guy from pic related kind of trashes the whole "Indian warchief that punches kilingons into realizing that the Emperor is awesome" premise. We could make another primarch to fillthat role, but I just don't have the heart to chuck out Captain Black Roger, and making him/her/hir/xer into the secret 21st Primarch is only going to invite more of the same problems.Plus, only one of these options opens the door for Oglaf jokes.
>>30750911AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANddddd forgot image.
>>30750911>Captain Black RogerMy obsidian dick.Lets's flesh this guy out. What's his tactical doctrine, aside from hit-and-run? How does he run his ships.
>>30750911I'm not seeing the conflict, as we're basically talking about a primarch that runs the gamut from punching klingons into fighting along side the Emprah to Billy Mays level advertising, convincing the Tau and some Necrons to join up.>>30751159Does 40k have cloaking devices? I'm picturing Romulan levels of guile, with a magnificent bastard air to him.He's a genius in ship-to-ship combat, which is really what seperates him from the rest.Do we want an old salty sort of a feel?'Space is my one true love. Yarr.'Or more of a Captain Ramius. Ok, I answered my question. Captain Ramius, please. Please?'They shall tremble at the sound of our silence!'Has this whole herald of judgement aspect about him. Like blackbeard, he'd put lit candles in his beard to give him an aura of smoke. He'd cover himself in purity seals and have a glow of madness in his eyes.He'd 'Chase that Ork around the moons of Hastur and through the Eye of Terror itself ere I let him go'.
>>30751159But yeah, his fleet warps in, and judgment has arrived, the towers and spires burning with warpfire. When he teleports in with his boarding party, the air crackles and smells of sulfur.He's got his own version of a Tarantino speech.He lives for the hunt, his ships are his hounds.He's a half crazed devil of a man, who sails the stars with his fleet. He strikes terror into the hearts of the foes who behold him, and when he does land his legion, it is with the trumpets of doomsday.And his men love him. They're his comrades on this grand adventure. They're his partners in all this. He'd keep iron discipline, but he doesn't need to, the crew elect their officers, pirate style. He gets along well with Russ, hard drinking and partying, but he has a frantic core to him that Russ lacks. Perhaps it is the time out in the void, or perhaps he has seen some darkness that Russ has not, but there's some irresistable force that drives our Captain onwards.
>>30751405"Ahoy heretic! Stand to and receive the Emperor's Judgement. No, belay that! Run! Run for all you're worth! Run until your poxy rump is sore, your feet blistered, and your lungs can take it no more. Let the world swim before your exhausted eyes and the angels and daemons well up from your frenzied, tattered mind.Run because the Reaper himself comes for you in his ships. Run because the hounds are baying.Run because I want a good chase."
>>30750628Humanity is not a legitimate threat to the necron empire.. Therefor they don't use their craziest shit. They literally just need to press a button and Terra, Mars, everything in Sol is dead. No more warp travel because no more astronomicon, the empire is dead, game over.
>>30752217Fortunately for us, the dynasty that controls that is more or less true neutral, seeing it more as a tool for 'pruning' than as a weapon. That means that the Imperium just needs to figure out a way to be seen as part of natural ebb and flow of the universe.So they'll need to ally with some Necrons and be careful to avoid having them pull out their War in Heaven weaponry, but short of an order from the Silent King (who doesn't seem the type for that), or a hostile takeover, humanity seems safe from that particular weapon.
>>30753740>Fortunately for us, the dynasty that controls that is more or less true neutralThe Dynasty is jealous of the Sautekh and wants to expand its realm.>That means that the Imperium just needs to figure out a way to be seen as part of natural ebb and flow of the universe.They are just pests in need of culling>but short of an order from the Silent King (who doesn't seem the type for that)The Silent King has no authority over the Dynasties. >or a hostile takeover, humanity seems safe from that particular weapon.Or the royalty of that Tomb World falls to the Destroyer Curse.
>>30753802Well there you go, Imperium allies with them against the Sautekh... Or what about the Void Dragon? I mean I can't imagine the Void Dragon letting them explode the sun, what with it being on Mars and presumably influencing the Mechanicum.Either way, I think the Imperium Resurgent would probably ally with some Necron faction, ensuring some protection.In any event, what do you propose?
>>30754024>>30754024>Or what about the Void Dragon?The Dragon on Mars is just a Shard. I wouldn't worry about it. >In any event, what do you propose?Alliance with some Necron dynasties are possible. However, at best they are temporary because Necrons disdain all non-Necrontyr life and are programmed to restore the Necron Empire.
>>30718552Lorgar becomes the hero Mankind needs and the hero the faithful deserve.
>>30751297>>30751405>>30751472I'm liking it.
>>30740493People like to forget that Magnus was not only red skinned super psyker cyclops but also a fucking giant even among primarchs so he was fucking strong.
>>30740712Sanguinious was also terrified that if emprah found out about red thirst his etire legion would be wiped
>>30741186>HAHA it was me, Alpharius all alon*BLAM*
>>30746082And what about edict of niccea. Its still in order right ?
>>30749230I would imagine fulgrim being in tatters, crying rivers and being his general weeboo self.Than Ferrus lands and aproaches his and You can hear his rumbling voice:>Fulgrim! Grit Your teeth.What happens next would be described in the annals of Warhammer History as the most perfect right straight ever delivered. Lightning fast and connecting directly at Fulgrims jaw with a cracking noise, sends him flying hundred feet away before smashing into the side of a mountain. His face dripping blood, face turned into a mask of absolute astonishemt>muh faceFerrus just stands there looking awesome for a second until finally speaks:>Drop it brother. You did what You did, learn on Your mistakes and Do not fall again. Dont even think about using xeno blades this time. And if You doubt in Yourself, belive in me beliving in You!Fulgrim begins to cry again, this time clearly from hapiness:>Ferrus-onisama
>>30749271>The original totally gave up on life and has decided to let the galaxy burn after the Rubric.Ahh, but thats the point. Theres his legion again. Not dust and sould bound to armor. His original legion in flesh. And there would be a lot of time to prevent mutations this time. I think that the original would let himself be shackled and be locked in a cage as long as he would be allowed to work on stopping the mutation spread in his legion.
>>30757236Yes!>>30757278I agree. I imagine that it happens something like this:Magnus1 has clearly been stalking Magnus2 and Tzneetch daemon incursions are becoming more frequent. Finally something happens and they meet face to face. Magnus2 is nervous, grips his holy lance and prepares to slay himself. He's clearly not quite ready for it, his encounter with Russ was only a few days before, and he isn't sure that he even blames Magnus1, but here, in the moment, his lance crackles to life and he tenses for the fight.But Magnus1 stops him, drops any weapon he has, lowers his arms, lowers his psychic defenses.'I only wanted to see you with my own eyes. To make sure you were real, to make sure you were me. And you're not me. You're better.So I'm satisfied.Take care of our legion.'And then he turns towards the conveniently placed fateweaver or what-have-you of Tzneetch and sets off the psychic equivalent of an A-Bomb. His mortal form psychically combusts as he releases the daemon princedom and the powers his fatehr gave him. You can barely hear him say 'forgive me father'.All around, across the battle, daemon's heads explode like its fucking raiders of the lost ark. Chaos sorcerors are blinded and the rubricae stand tall, their souls rebound and they look towards the new Magnus as their leader.Meanwhile the blazing form of the Primarch grants some sort of stability to the Magnus2's legion, like a mass soul binding with the Emperor, with the spirit of M1 as the bridge.If we were to talk about Legion practice later, new recruits would drink some holy Soma and enter a trance where they'd see the history of their legion and as it happened they'd feel mutation and impurity surge across them until M1's sacrifice healed them. (By the grace of the God Emperor!)
>>30751297>>30751405>>30751472So how does this guy piss off the Emprah enough to be erased?
>>30725466>Also I think the Emprah would be in on the whole thing, what with sort of being a chaos god.Silly Anon, Malal IS the Emprah.
>>30722686>Has he been soul-bound to his father like the navigators?You meant Astropaths. And that was basically whole idea behind Thousand Sons in the Dornian Heresy. Which was awesome.>>30722222>Magnus.>Magnus.>I never wanted any of this to happen.>I know.>It is time to end this, once and for all.>On this, I agree.
>>30760145What if his fleet is the vanguard, out by the halo stars where the warp is tricky, and what if he pulls an Apocalypse Now, sets himself up as a God. He sees it as giving his men and the systems he restores out in the unholy light of the ghoul stars something to inspire them and keep the terror at bay--seamen are always superstitious and the halo stars seem like home to endless Eldritch Horrors. He sees a bit of religion as a way to keep terror at bay, but he emperor doesn't like that, not one little bit. So he takes a battlefleet out there, but the pirate's main fleet up and vanishes into the warp. From time to time ships reapear in realspace, their crews horribly mutated. It often falls to Russ to purge them. Rowbroat Gringus gets what the pirate leaves behind, as he's the closest and is best at restoring atheism.But they say that on quiet nights, you can still see the ghostly lights of a crusade era battle fleet, a -running through the chronos expanse. They say the captains half man and half devil and he's chasing sommat, what none know.
>>30727867This should work, I think.
>>30750211Thank the fuck you, this is going a completely fucked direction
>>30736184Though they are much better than IF's at building other, more sophisticated buildings.
>>30760445A little too Curze (original that is) don't ya think?
Fulgrim wept as he stared up at the writhing, multi-armed foe that slithered towards him. It bore a resemblance in only the smallest of senses; even the eyes seemed foreign as the four armed beast drew forth weapons crackling with violet energy."What's the matter?" The creature hissed sibillantly, a too-wide grin stretching its fanged maw. "Doth the mirror show a pale reflection?"Fulgrim's grip on his blade faltered, and it remained firmly within its sheathe. Fireblade was silent, his strength waning in the face of his hideous alter ego.This. This was what his perfection had forced him to become. How could it have gone so wrong?The creature lashed out, its bladed tail whistling mere inches from his face. "So flawed you are," it chuckled, darting forward like a snake. Its swords raised in a quadrad of points, poised to skewer his embellished plate. "So pathetic."The blades dropped in perfect unison, each seeking a vital point; Fulgrim blinked as all four were smashed aside in a single movement, and the Daemon Primarch was thrown back from the impact."Child of the Emperor, Death to his foes."The gravelly tone rumbled from within a stenatorian chest even as a silver hand fell on the eagle-winged pauldron on Fulgrim's shoulder. Firmly gripped in the Iron Hand's gauntlet was the mighty hammer Forgebreaker, still crackling from the fierce impact.Ferrus smiled tightly. "We face the past together."Fulgrim regarded his brother fondly, turning to the writhing horror he had been destined to become. The sloth left his body, and he mirrored the iron knight's gesture firmly."The flesh is weak," he intoned as he released the other man's armor, tightening his grip on his sword. With a single, fluid motion, he tore the flaming brand from its sheathe, his purpose renewed. "But our brotherhood is iron!"Together, the sons of the Emperor met the Daemon's charge with a cry of rage upon their lips.
>>30761160Yes oh emperor yes
Angron challenging daemon Angron to single combat, on a planet with a culture that mirrors Angrons original homeworld, and the world eaters from both the corrupted and loyal legions answer the all to meet themselves on the battlefield.
>>30761363So Primarch gladiator fight
>>30759820This... Is... Magnificent...
This must be archived
I was wondering where will Vulkan go, and as my headcanon is that his body (and thus one of the artifacts) is at Trazyn's place, I imagine Vulkan going to Tomb Word of Solemnace and having this speech (I'll try my best in writing, but I'm no writefag):>You knew about the gift I had from my father, and thus you knew that despite the fact that my body appeared to be dead, I was not. You thought that due to my state, I am unable to hear you, but I could. Many times you tried to pull that spear from my body, sometimes trying to destroy it along with the spear. When you learned about the legend of my return once my Artefacts will be gathered, you start to gather them and using them to destroy the spear, for the sake of releasing me. For that, you have my thanks, as deep within my heart, I see you as a friend. And I see no better way to thank you than through giving you something I have created right after being released from this state in that Warpstorm. This is something I based on your symbol of rule, let it serve you well in the incoming years of our cooperation, my friend, Trazyn the Infinite.
>>30761041I agree, but where Curze goes nihilist with it (Heart of Darkness), the pirate captain goes more flying dutchman.Cruze is stuck in a crap-sack world and goes along with it. This guy is in a similar place but he tries to make it a bit more comfortable and gets screwed for it.I think the characterization will make the distinction clearer, but what would you all advise?Just straight up turning the emperor down doesn't make sense, given how Wolf of Ash and Fire has the guy be like Optimus Prime levels of CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN.I also really dig the idea that the pirate king sees himself in context of a religious narrative and I think it makes sense for a void focused primarch to have an inner madness, as well as a bit more experience with the warp (and thus a hint that something is amiss)So yeah, short version:I was hoping that he'd be Kamina where Kruze is Gendo. Gendo sees the world sucks and gives up on everything except his mad plan. Kamina sees the world sucks and makes up a story that makes it awesome anyways.They're both scary mother fuckers, but the Pirate King has a bit more defiance to him. Kruze is the Reaper, where this guy is the leader of the Wild Hunt.
>>30761160Anon-kun... I... I... senpai~~~~~"The flesh is weak, but our brotherhood is iron"That's beautiful.
>>30761719Is someone going to do this, I started, but I am not sure if I can handle such responsibility, as it would be the first time I would Archive anything.
>>30762179Can we give him a mechadendrite beard?
>>30762301Isn't that mandatory?Also, I expect him to meeting Alpharius. That guy was basically a Space Pirate in a small scale when Horus met him.
>>30762249OK, this is what I prepared:Thread# 30718552Title: >Primarchs return due to Malal, Manly TearsDescription:>Pre-Heresy Primarchs with fixes and their Legions returns due Malal screwing Chaos, Manly Tears and Glorious tag-teams against some of Deamon Primarchs occur. Glorious.Tags:>40K, Pre-Heresy Primarchs, Manly Tears, SettingIs that acceptable, or should I add something else? I really never Archived anything and this is so glorious that I don't want to blew it.
>>30762360Possibly space pirate and chief thunder
>>30762378I'll add it to description and finish it then.>>30762343>>30762362I see that opinions are divided.
>>30762327>Also, I expect him to meeting Alpharius. That guy was basically a Space Pirate in a small scale when Horus met him.Hold on. I realized that he actually wouldn't, as Corax was found before Alpharius and Lost Primarchs were already Lost at that point.Or maybe he would?
>>30762416Yes for beards are already glorious so mechanical beards that can do things EXTRA Glorious
>>30762460I guess that I was too hurry with archiving then, as it reach only to >>30762416 On the other hand, up till this point Mechadentrite Beard was already suggested and it was obvious that it would be accepted...
>>30762458Maybe the two met each other before they linked up with the Big E? Maybe they were pirate rivals or something. So that way when they meet up again, there's that awkward 'Oh' moment.Or more likely, they know of each other by reputation.
>>30762534This would be awesome
>>30762327It's cheesy enough to be awesome, particularly if he uses it for the whole Blackbeard thing.
>>30762534Probably. Actually, pretty possible. Alpharius clearly stated that Imperium didn't reached the place he crash landed on when he met Horus, so it is very plausible.Also, suptg archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/30718552/
>>30762567Oh! That's another thing that can get him into trouble! Part of his schtick is that he takes the role of the devil, like Blackbeard did.So he's all Imma spehss daemon and the Emperor is all 'No you're not.'And Pirate king is all 'How would you know? There's no such thing and it scares my enemies.'And the Emperor is all 'Shit. Just don't do it... because reasons.'And Pirate king is >_> ...sure pops, whatever you say...Legion name:Void Wraiths? Star Devils?
>>30762567What "whole Blackbeard thing" you meant?When I saw "Mechadendrite Beard" I thought of Davy Jones playing on his... piano?(forgot the word).
>>30762636I wasn't sure with the organ, thinking of him "playing on his organs" was giving me additional image that wasn't what I thought. Anyway, as I uploaded thread couple of posts ago, I think that I can finish my work for the Emperor for tonight and have a smoke before the sleep.
>>30762617Oh, Blackbeard claimed he was the devil himself, kept lit candles in his beard so that way he'd be surrounded by smoke and lights. Did it to freak out the people he attacked.But yeah, I'm thinking very much the Davy Jones sort of vibe, warpfire rolling off the gunports and spires, a-crashing and a-thundering as she comes barrelling straight out of some hell in the Warp.
>>30762613Void Reapers.It's at least 50% less stupid than the IRON HANDS by PRIMARCH IRONHANDS with his amazing HANDS MADE OF FUCKING IRON.
>>30740493>he was dominating until Magnus picked Russ up and Russ just flailed his arms randomly, and by chance poking Magnus in his only eye, blinding him.JUST AS PLANNED!
>>30763256Indeed and it is quiet metal as well
>>30763256I can dig it. Skull and Cross scythes in white on a black background. Marines tend to modify and decorate their armour, be it with pelts, trophies, trinkets, anything to create a supernatural air about them, even sometimes going so far as to craft their helmets in the forms of legendary monsters.So there one stands, skulls hanging from his belt, their eyes aglow, intricate whorls etched upon his armour. Flapping slightly in the breeze is a cape made of the hide of some monstrous creature. Oh yes, the Void Reapers are here.
Do we have the new Purterabo going to medrengrad with Dorn? Since Purterabo wasn't yet Driven to the point of snapping I could see this happening and being badass.
>>30762851It's been done
>>30763924Yes, it was here: >>30749160It was short, but glorious.
>>30763970Ah, I wasn't thinking like that. I'd more meant pic related or the helmets on the new Nightlords Raptors.Less nautical and more occult/daemonic.
>>30764153Bahaha that's not occult, that MaoriAka NZ marines
>>30764316Oh, yeah, that I recognized. I couldn't find a good pic of what I meant >_< Maori is as close as I could get in a single pic.
>>30764316>>30764331So what I really meant was >>30764153 mixed with pic related, http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Night_Lords/NIGHT_LORDS_NIGHT_RAPTORS.html, but with less in the way of body parts, and http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Word_Bearers/WORD_BEARERS_LEGION_ASHEN_CIRCLE.html, the armor having overtones of http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/HORUS_HERESY_CHARACTER_SERIES/LORGAR_PRIMARCH_OF_THE_WORD_BEARERS.html with a bit of...
>>30764331Look towards a voodoo styleAs a New Zealand painting a marine like that would be the equivalent of paint American flags or union jacks all over your marines
>>30764411Ooh, like this kind of.
>>30764478And a bit of this thrown in.
What do we do with a drunken Primarch?What do we do with a drunken Primarch?What do we do with a drunken Primarch?Ear-lay in the morning?
>Primarchs come back with their legions pre heresy as well as curze/angron arn't crazy shit because malal>full on MANLY TEARS and proceeds to be awesome>the premise is all kinds of great>lets just focus on the 2 missing primarchs lolgod damn it /tg/
>>30764850Agreed we should get to some of the other stuff we have a lot more to cover with what's already in universe
>>30764850You forgot to add "Trying to turn one into Samus: the Metroid Reference Free Spirit Mary Sue Primarch"
>>30763924Better yet, Purterabo and Dorn cooperate on building The Cage 2: Electric Boogaloo, and lure Daemon Purterabo into it. Dorn makes the outside so fucking fortified and authentic that he doesn't even realize he's fallen for his own trick until he's knee-deep in the murder labyrinth.
>>30764949i agree with this.i imagine first that would happen is something such as russ hears about this from his crusade in the warp wondering what in the everliving fuck is going on so he probably heads back.also i'm actually curious at this point to know whether each primarch doppleganger would immediately head to their own planets or not wondering what in the shit happen or would they sit down and try to get a hold of the thing as a group?>>30764965yeah i noticed that, then someone tried making said samus a pirate, and now honestly that should be left alone for now, we can come back to this stuff once the other stuff is sorted out.
>>30764850We might make a new thread for it tomorrow, as it seems that main contributors went asleep.And so do I. Good night, Anons!
>>30765068eh i just got on cause i was busy and thats why i noticed this.
>>30764949I don't think Gorillaman is allowed to wake up until after Fulgrim gets there, so that way Fulgrim can pound on his glass coffin. This can be happening while Manus is visiting Medusa and reconciling the Sons of Medusa with the Iron Hands, so that way Fulgrim can flip out and grab a shuttle and curl up in a fetal position someplace, probably Istvaan V. Actually, what is the status of the Istvaan system these days?The big issue I see is that we'll need someone from inside the Imperium to vouch for the primarchs. Is Valdore still alive? If not, then perhaps Russ is the first to return, as Bjorn can vouch for him?Or maybe it starts with the Lion, a great rumbling from within the Rock and the Lion bursts out. 'I've got to get to Terra!'Oooh, or better! What about Cypher? Maybe when he delivers the sword to the Emperor, The Lion awakens? Or something?
>>30765068I'm still up. Could see Curze going out and finding the renegade night lords personally. They find whole warband's skinned screaming about the night haunters justice being visited upon them while their guts hang out of their bodies. Angron yet again I would love to see battling daemon angron in an arena on some fucking planet while both world eater legion tears each other apart, but then Angron (now capable of rational thought, some how tricks or tactically genius' daemon angron
>>30765035That was the original idea I'd had. >_<>>30749160 I'd tried to imply it with the 'This is the end, there's no where for you to run' that it was Daemon Peturabo speaking, as he'd chased Peturabo2 into the core of his fort. Ah well. Glad someone came to the idea.
>>30765210Cypher, then he and a number of fallen are pardoned.
>>30765210I think istvaan was abandoned as it was
>>30765280Sweet. Metal minds think alike.
>>30765243What if AngronII never strikes an offensive blow during the fight, does it all with dodging and energy redirection, like pure Judo/Taiqi/Baguan.So raging Angron charges, his axe held aloft with murderous intent, but A2 sidesteps at the last moment and trips him, sending him crashing down. Angron rises, swings, Angron2 ducks, grabs the arm, twists. Snap.But the pain only makes angron angrier and he bellows and charges again.Point is that A2 knows that he can't beat his bad daemon self force-to-force. In a head to head fight, he'll lose. So he doesn't fight. He lets A1 fight himself. Total mastery of himself and anger and all that and when it's over, he walks over to Angron, writhing and sputtering on the ground, calmly bends down as A1 tries to summon the strength to spit at him and whispers in his ear 'there is no reason to be upset' and snaps his neck.I think Dornian calmfury Angron is something of a troll, anways.Like the part where Cato Sicarius fights the Inquisitor's pet murdermachine.
>>30765519Or like the interpretation of the Berserker Rage I saw in a decent fantasy novel a while back: All is calm, your vision narrows down to the enemy before you. The din of battle fades as your full concentration swings onto your foe, who now appears to be moving in slow motion.
>>30765358Cool, I like the idea of a lot of major shit going down on Istvaan, that's where Dorn and Peturabo build their thingy, that's where Angron fights Angron and all that sort of deal.I'd also assume Chaos pulls out all the stops for this, so Daemonhood for Huron and pals? Super-chaos upgrades for Abbadon and friends?
>>30767438i'd imagine so because this is a large as hell thing that could seriously fuck chaos over extremely hard.
>>30764750absolutely nothing, unless "we" is other primarchs
>>30765519yes, where the evil primarchs are undone by their own personal failings, the new primarchs succeed by learning from their mistakes and becoming the paragons they were meant to be
>>30767635they keelhaul himthrough the warp
>>30754137>The Dragon on Mars is just a Shard. I wouldn't worry about it.Source?
>>30770932The WD issue that introduced the Necrons.Among the C'tan that were sharded was the Void Dragon. So says our lord and savior Ward.
>>30764965Damn it, where the hell are you getting the free spirit Mary Sue shit?Thing was she sided more with the Xenos than the Emperor, which is a big No for the Emperor since he's all "Humanity, FUCK YEAH!"
>>30770964And here it is.
>>30771057But this says you can use Shards of the Void Dragon, not that the Void Dragon on Mars is just a Shard...
>>30771100The fact that it's possible to use shards of the Void Dragon is a clear sign that the Dragon on Mars is not the whole dude and is just a shard.
>>30771100Then what the hell else would it be? If the Void Dragon on Mars is completely intact then there wouldn't be shards anywhere else.
>>30770964>The WD issue that introduced the Necrons.>>30771057It's from the WD two issues later, but yes. Though they look like they're never going to mention the Dragon of Mars again anyway.
>>30771218>If the Void Dragon on Mars is completely intactThey don't have to be COMPLETELY intact, just the largest surviving chunk.Hence why they cut a deal with the Emperor and are locked up in Mars; It's keeping them off the Necrons radar so they don't get broken down any further.
>>30771353>Though they look like they're never going to mention the Dragon of Mars again anyway.The Deceiver's old shenanigans are appearing in the new lore. No for reason the Dragon of Mars not pop up in the future.
>>30771418>They don't have to be COMPLETELY intact, just the largest surviving chunk.There is absolutely no evidence that the Dragon on Mars is anything bigger or smaller than an ordinary shard. All we know it's shard and not the whole dude.>Hence why they cut a deal with the Emperor and are locked up in Mars; It's keeping them off the Necrons radar so they don't get broken down any further.Wat.
>>30761160Watch out, we got a good writer over here!
>>30740210> Loyalist Magnus> Fixing the Golden ThroneAnd then the God Emperor came back to live, killed him, proclaiming everything was Magnus's fault.
>>30761160beautiful man, I hope this project flourishes, between you and [hopefully] other writers
>>30745209Nope.He didn't approved it if, feared what it'll do to Lorgar and his Legion, but none the less carried it out.When the Ultra-Marines and the Word Bearers were to team up, Gulliman wanted to bond with his brother and make it up to him by killing some Orks with him.Then Calth happened.Remember, Gulliman is a glory hound with OCD, but he still loved his brothers. He only hated Russ and Khan because they were so messy.And not to mention his OCD coming from his childhood which explains the Codex Astartes.
>>30771730>tfw the only decent primarch was Corax, and perhaps Jaghatai
>>30759820You don't know how much I want this as a 1K Sons player.You don't fucking know.
>>30750691>/tg/ is not good because x is not femaleYeah, fuck off.
I have only one question (as Cypher and Co. are already covered):What about Erebus and Kor Phaeron? Technically, without Kor Phaeron, Erebus would be fervent worshiper of the Emperor, as Kor would not be able to corrupt him first.
i honestly want to see what the hell the alpha legion does dealing with its past self and how the past uncorrupted version of their past selves reacts seeing everything gone to shit.
>>30772589/tg/ is not the sort of board where this can be discussed civilly
>>30773187Don't know about you, but I can discuss it just fine.
>>30772843Take a mountain of thread. Inscribe every inch of it with the word "plan". Twist those threads into a heavy yarn, and then plait the yarn into a rope. Weave a vast tapestry of cunning design with the rope. Take the tapestry outside and hang it on the side of a barn. Shoot the tapestry repeatedly with a rifle, hack it with a machete, then spray it with half a bottle of charcoal lighter fluid and set it ablaze.That's what you'll get from the Alpha Legions.
>>30772843>>30773268And who do You think, gathered enough energy for Malal to do this sorta thing? Who made the pact with him to do it ?This was part of the plan all along
>>30773321>and Alpha Legion was loyalist all along to fuck chaos over as a whole>then they proceed to murder the ever flying tits out of chaos as they all mass exodus from the ranks of chaos to go stand for the past group to get them up to speed as to what the shit is going on.
>>30771046The idea that we'd been trying to fit in was that the Emperor wasn't always quite so HFY, otherwise why make a diplomat?Besides, the more reasonable the God Emperor starts off, the more grimdark it is.>>30771418>>30771514I'm with the Nice Heretic on this one. If it wasn't a big chunk of Void Dragon, why were the Necrons so concerned about getting to it? (I think it is in BFG where they make a run for Mars?)Also in (I think) Mechanicum, the guardians of the labyrinth are guarding some sort of oracle thing.The cutting a deal with the Emperor bit... I'm not with you on. But it does seem like the Void Dragon ran off and hid out in the ass end of the galaxy, which pretty much fits Earth.Besides, the Emperor beating the snot out of a C'Tan shard? Hardly fits his calibre of badassery.No, either that WD is not modern fluff (it is from back before NewCrons and back when the C'Tan ruled the Crons, which raises the question, why were they sharded if they were running the show?), or we've got a mostly complete Void Dragon on Mars.
>>30772729I'd assume that Kor Phaeron has an unfortunate 'accident' either never rematerializing or lasting just long enough for Lorgar Prime to cave his head in.Yeah, I prefer the later. Probably with 'YOU WERE LIKE A FATHER TO ME!'
>>30774373>(I think it is in BFG where they make a run for Mars?)The old codex as well, though it's all 3rd edition stuff and hasn't reappeared since they were revamped despite being such a huge thing.
>>30761257>>30762236>>30771639>>30771679Thanks anon's!I was tossing a few ideas around last night on my way home; am seriously considering going beyond this. Would be a fun project.
>>30774974You have all of my "YES" on this.
It seems generally accepted that Lorgar was the shittiest primarch.But who was the SECOND shittiest?
>>30775429Alpharius/Omegon, fucking runts that turned because some xenos showed them a moviemanlet shits that are the same size as regular SMs and unlike other Primarchs (other than Angron) who non-Primarchs would feel an uncontrollable urge respect and worship the epitome of perfection, they don'tthey are so shit that they are like regular SMs, even Angron is more of Primarch than them and he is brokenin fact they should be the shittest Primarch not Lorgar
>>30733230one the legion is made up of blanks/pariahs
>>30775660Rachnus Rageous wasn't accepted as canon in this thread. And his blank status kinda clashes with the fact that all Primarchs have souls created with aid of Chaos (probably).
>>30718552>Taken from different times>TakenWait, doesn't that mean they are transported trough time, making the Imperium lose their strongest leaders at the peak of their power, causing the Imperium to not be able to exist?Then the Primarchs could not be transported to 40K Imperium because it never existed, which mean 30K Imperium could not lose their Primarchs which means 40K Imperium could exist which means that the Primarchs could be transported...>paradox.jpegHow do we go about this, /tg/?Also, definitively going to writefag this.
>>30774373>The idea that we'd been trying to fit in was that the Emperor wasn't always quite so HFY, otherwise why make a diplomat?>Besides, the more reasonable the God Emperor starts off, the more grimdark it is.Well Emps has always been big on Humanity's Manifest Density to rule the cosmos, so I figured most attempts at "diplomacy" would be "You work for us and we politely allow you to continue to exist."Thunder Chief Samus, having been raised by Xeno, would therefore think that's pretty messed up and be in conflict with the Emperor from the beginning.>The cutting a deal with the Emperor bit... I'm not with you on.Eh, sorry, it's my head canon that the Void Dragon has a Thing for fleshy meat things, thus it has an excuse for "Letting that Human win."
>>30775625The runts are actually kinda smart though, which makes them superior to most primarchs on its own.
>>30765519 Angron looked skyward at the daemonic embodiment of the failures his anger caused. It's massive size eclipsing the faint red that the planets star cast over the planet, dwarfing even the massive visage of the younger, much less corrupted Angron. It charged forward but the Primarch stood fast until its daemonic axe was about to come down upon his head before he leaped out of its path. Every time his daemonic self charged towards him he dodged out of the way, further enraging the giant daemon. "Hold still! Fight with honor!!" It bellowed loudly, as he attempted to attack the Primarch again, as he did Angron shifted to the left of the blade and brought his massive chainaxe down on the crimson arm chopping through the wrist. Boiling blood sprayed from its severed wrist. The daemonic Primarch swung his left arm at the uncorrupted Angron and the handle of its khornate axe smashed into his cerimite bound frame flinging him into the arena wall. He charged at him screaming "Blood for the blood god!!!" The Daemon Princes howls splitting the sky with fury. Angron's impact into the wall caused a huge section to come down on him, he flung himself out from the rubble and slid under the charging daemon prince, slicing through his right ankle as he did so, it knelt and shrieked at the sky before turning itself towards the pure Angron swinging its remaining axe and slamming the stump of its wrist at the Primamarch missing every blow and become more furious. "You serve this Blood god and this is all you can do?! Your gods have made you foolish and blind! You are weak and so are your gods..." The last part calm and far more enraging in its mocking tone. He grabbed the injured wrist of the daemon he had become in fates hands and slammed it to the ground, bending back the elbow, and charging to its neck. He grabbed unto its head and slid his chainaxe beneath its neck. "And now you may rest." He said in a tone of pity as he carved through its neck.
>>30776008Little correction: Daemon Angron is using Black Sword now, as Gorefather was damaged beyond repair and Kharn took Gorechild.Besides that: you do Emperor's work here, Anon.
>>30776168Thank you for the info. I thought I might have fucked that up.
>>30776219I once didn't remembered it either, when I first read about it I was honestly surprised, as I always thought that Angron = axes. I only knew that Kharn had Gorechild later, but I never knew what happened with Gorefather, but it seems it was rather fresh thing from HH series. I think it happened on Nuceria or something.
>>30775866Double people are possible to exist in a same room at a same time due to the Warp shitfuckery.
>>30776271That's what I was thinking Angron, khornate= axes big fucking axes
>>30775904Yeah, which has never quite gelled with me. You purge the mutant because they're likely to be warp corrupted (though memory suggests that The Emps was friendlier towards them earlier.) Purging the witch is obvious. Xenos make sense when you're dealing with the Rak'Gol and Orkz, but with groups like the Eldar, it just makes more sense to try talking it out first. Of course, the Emperor could totally be HUMANITIES URGE TO SURVIVE, in which case, purge away.I dunno, it just seems how the guy is presented, he'd make a better case to Thunder. (Angron level idiocy aside, which we're giving him a do-over on.)>>30776008Glorious.>>30775866I was sort of assuming they were copies, except for the good ones still around/in the warp.I'm going to make a wiki page later today for the whole project.
>>30775625>implying they didn't pull justasplanned.jpg on the cabal as wellYou disappoint me.
>>30771730>He only hated Russ and Khan because they were so messy.He, in fact, thought highly of the two, but saw them as too single-minded, and IIRC Russ' statue is one of the four, along with Dorn, Ferrus and Sanguinius, on Macragge.
>>30776540Thank you I wanted it to be glorious
Since the black rage was the result of sanguinius dying what effect are we thinking his return to the BA and their descendants will be? I can see him punching Gabriel Seth in the face for being an insane dick, oh and manly tears from Dante
>>30740682You do realize that ALL of the original loyalist chapters are going to join these legions right? The Imperium is going to lose.
>>30777003Ya as well as other large elements of the imperium.
Gulliman leads his legion against the Tau.How long until the Tau are extinct?
>>30777102A month. Considering travel time.
>>30777003>>30777063What if some hyper conservative Inquisitors hold Terra Hostage with cyclonic torpedoes, threatening to blow it up if they don't get their way. They also somehow manage to get Officio Assasinorum on their side, too.Of course, Alpha Legion, Pirate-man, and the Custodes probably pull a Justinian and take them out while the rest of the legions prepare to lay siege to Terra or something, but it creates a tense moment.
>>30777251The alpha legion, Pirate-man, and the custodes wouldn't even have time to do that because some other Inquisitors would anally rape the ones threatening to shoot at Terra.
>>30765210I think more Perturabo having a post homeworld slaughter level meltdown, but worse, I see him bashing the ground to rubble with his fists, and in manly sorrow erects a beautiful and awesome monument to the honor of the fallen and the dangers of chaos, then Dorn and he build the iron cage 2: electric boogaloo putting the monument in the heart of the fortress. This way at the end when corrupted Perturabo gets confronted by good Perturabo and Dorn, he can pull a "these are the faces of the brothers you betrayed" nonsense during the melodramatic speeches
>>30777251Yes all of my available YES!
>>30776775Red Thirst is still a thing, though. Completely unrelated to Black Rage and was existing since always in them.
>>30777376Inner inquisition war would probably happen as well as inner ecclesiarch and space marine war though most marine chapters would join up with their primarchs, i could see some like the Minotaurs still being dicks.
>>30777459Yes but the black rage. I'm not seeing it just going away, because things in history still happened as is. I see sanguinius getting incredibly mournful and pissed at himself for his death causing his sons so much suffering, goes on a search for a cure type of thing.
>>30776540>. Xenos make sense when you're dealing with the Rak'Gol and Orkz, but with groups like the Eldar, it just makes more sense to try talking it out first. Of course, the Emperor could totally be HUMANITIES URGE TO SURVIVE, in which case, purge away.Well you have to realize that Craftworld Eldar are only the hyper-conservative portion of Eldar, the "Dark" Eldar are the remnant of their old Galactic Empire.Generally, after the Golden Age ended most Xeno Civilizations were pretty huge dicks to any Human Colonies they came across.
>>30776609Fucking Sanguinious has his statues fucking everywhere. Nigga even has his own holidays
>>30777501So why punching Gabriel Seth? It's not like he's a dick because he want to be a dick.I can totally see Dante's ego being shattered when he will realize that the one in the Golden Armor who is going to defend Emperor is going to be Sangy again.
>>30777251>>30777376>>30777466The original Alpha legion, would emerge from the warp and kill/destroy all the forces oposing the original legions. Then when messege comes that holly terra itself is being besieged by ruinous powers or chaos, Loyalists would run to resque it.Then after assault Alpha legion would go "Oh noes, the loyalists, the primarchs, the real saviors of the empire, were beat, retreat" over all the vox channels and then retreat into the warp portals. Funny thing is there would be no Alpha legionnares casualties, and only traitors and possible traitors would have died in the couple of days long invasion.So the loyalists would be on terra, as heroes and without political opposition. Ano noone would ever ask any questions.
>>30777590Dantes ego cannot be damaged, Its like singularity, only takes more and more to become more and more massive, eventually consuming everyone and everything
>>30777466Or they will accept Loyal Angron as their Spiritual League (if Angron isn't their genetic father anyway), just like the Red Hunters will accept Lorgar, Red Scorpions Fulgrim and Blood Ravens will accept Magnus. Not sure what about The Carcharadons (officially Unknown - Night Lords mayhaps?), Exorcists (yes, I know they are of Grey Knights, but I am not 100% sure about this whole "Emperor's gene-seed" thing) or The Star Phantoms. As for Atral Claws and Fire Hawks - they no longer care anyway.
>>30777376I mean they've quite literally holed up on Terra with a cyclonic torpedo on a deadman's switch. Anyone who wants to get to them has to get through the Asassins first, too.
>>30777591>>30777923read my scenarioHYDRA DOMINATUS
>>30777590You have a point maybe the angels penitent and their weird crown of thorns is a better target
>>30777807Carcharadons would have no problem with joining Curze I just do with the Minotaurs since they're controlled by the high lords who would be threatened by the returned primarchs
>>30778023>angels penitent and their weird crown of thornsHuh, never heard of... Sweet Emperor, how horrifying!>>30778122>Hi, this is Angron, I found out that I am your Primarch. You know, I appreciate fervor you had while wiping traitors before they will go too much into Chaos, but this is going to end. I have proposition for you: you join true loyalists and along with me you will go to kill any traitors that refuse to aid Imperium in going back to its strength. What do you think guys?
>>30777984Oh gods, that's brilliant. Set it up as a cooperation between the Alpha Legions and Pirate-Man and maybe Custodes in response to the Inquisition taking Terra Hostage, I think we've got a really cool episode.Hydra Dominatus
>>30778375Ya they're pretty fucked up hence why I see the epic moment with sanguinius "Your chaplains told you to fucking do what?!" Type of thing But you forgot asterion moloc is a well known crazy fuck, so he might actually say fuck you
>>30775625Your post inspired me to make some OC, pic related.Shame it's about to die.
>>30780163He certainly would say that to Guilliman. But if he would have a choice between "One Last Stand for Highlords who are going to lose their position anyway and what they do is technically a treason" vs "Join their newfound Genetic Father who propose them crusade against any Renegade Chapter of still Space Marines", I think he would take epic Crusade.