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Recent Events Summary:It's noon on the final day before the battle. The attack will commence a few hours into the very early morning.You decided to infiltrate Kan-Abar to try to learn if the enemy was aware of or responding to your plans for attack. You spied on King Nulis Vin, Kullia Nesteral, and the fourth Demon Lord.They're aware of the alliance's plans, but don't know the full capabilities of your forces. Apparently, there are means in place to stop the abduction of further airships. It's probably best not to test them.It turns out that Kullia was originally working with Sandalphon, but has turned on him in favor of the demons. As to why - you can only guess.The Pentaverate is actually the summoning of the "Greatest" - the fifth and final demon lord. According to the Fourth, this Greater Demon will be able to breech the seal on the core of chaos, what the Fourth refers to as the "All-Power", and bring an end to Venia as it is now.You've retreated to Arland, where you've gathered your inner circle for an emergency meeting...
IT'S SHADOW TIME.Can we please Erasure Nulis, Kullia and the Demon Lord?
Ability TreeGREEN abilities have been unlocked and learned.BLUE abilties are unlocked, but are not yet purchased.RED abilities are revealed, but locked due to prerequisites.UNDERLINED abilities are active-use, as opposed to passive. Not all active abilities require mana.All Revealed Ability Descriptions:http://pastebin.com/9QRZs8RGBooks the Main Character has read:http://pastebin.com/dAXR00gPCharacter Sheet including learned abilities and other important information:http://pastebin.com/64VcuCVk
>>31460328SHADOW MASTURRRRRRbatin'
>>31460328Haha! Time for FANG and the MAGIC BOX!
Current Statistics:HP: 81/81Mana: 76/76EXP: 21Shards of Order and Chaos:(Retribution) - Empowered(Maker) - Empowered(Silence) - broken(Peace) - Empowered(Breeze) - Strong(Hammer) - Strong(Ardor) - Empowered{Resolve} - Strong{Humanity} - Resonant--Summoned--Wisp - 1 mana to order--Automatons--Vita (Shade)--Equipment--Utility belt with purse--Inventory--Shaped Kinetic Ordinance (pocket)Aurora Water Gem (pocket)Shade (pocket)Shadow Dynamo x 2 (pocket)Wind Radio (pocket)--Teleport Anchor--Currently: Arland, Dobshire, on the roof of the castle--Current Location--Arland - Dobshire------------------Known Mana Pools:Jacob's Field - entrance to Hecate's tomb - SpiritJacob's Field - Hecate's Chamber - SpiritTarun Gakth - Under Refuge - ShadowPalthair Mines - Magnock's Lair - SpiritArchon - Spirit District - SpiritArchon - Shadow District - ShadowArchon - Earth District - EarthArchon - Water Distric - WaterHaven - ShadowAbbotsford - ShadowAurora - WaterVa'ad - South Generator - EarthVa'ad - North Generator - EarthArland - Dryfeld - WaterKan-Abar - Royal Gardens - Earth>>31460375The heavy weight of the NSA is oppressive.
>>31460328Fuck yeah Shadow quest, I just catch up again after taking a break after the Xile arc.
>>31460328DADCOP2 SAYS HI
>>31460328Some anon made this for ya
>>31460405ah shit I completely forgot Yi Fang's inventory in his character sheetaww manawwwwwww maaaaaaaaan
REMINDERS:We have a dynamo we haven't charged yet, though we may be saving it for reasons; it's there should we need it.Much more importantly; PIC RELATED. An idea SM highlighted before the end of the last thread.>>31460456You also asked me to remind you to reset our anchor to its previous position near the future Kelvere battlefield, as it was part of the primary strategy.
>Last time...Slowly, the demon lord looks away.<...they are going to attack us,> the Demon Lord says. <This plays into our hands. The Chaotic disturbances created by the battle shall open the gate to the All-Power. And then the Greatest shall rise up, and there will be nothing that can stand against it. And it shall be the key to releasing the All-Power in full.>"What about the angel?" Nulis says. He glances at Kullia. "Can we trust him?"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsdnrNKUPX8"No, my love," Kullia says. She slips a hand up to Nulis's chin. "Sandalphon only means to use us. He allowed us to get this far for his own purposes. But we'll turn the tables on him. That's what I'm doing, remember? I'm his spy.""Was.""Was." Kullia rubs Nulis's chin. "Now, I'm yours."You feel Spirit magic in her palm."You're mine," Nulis says. His face seems to calm."All yours, my king, my love. Yours, completely.""Mine."<The angel will no doubt put our energies to his own purposes,> the demon lord says.Kullia looks up from the now-distant Nulis. "What of the Lady?"<The Avatar of the All-Power is dead. John Nyx cannot be underestimated. He may be an agent of the Dark One Himself.>"We have the details of their attack," she says. "Sandalphon must be confident that his plan will succeed."<He cannot control the flow of the All-Power. His arrogance will be his undoing. And then the races of Chaos will not longer be imaginings, thought-drippings of parasitic mortals, but our own selves once more.> The demon lord looks at Kullia. <And power will be rewarded to you, and to many. And you revenge will be complete. A new age will dawn.>"Yes.">con't
>>31460456Where are we on the powerlevel chart? Somewhere between Abby and the First Demon Lord?
>>31460417SM if we get Consume would it be possible for Abby to store the soul of people she consumes in her arm?
>>31460456You try and think of the coolest shit your mind can comprehend.Then double it.
Reminder that waifu hand needs a name.
And now, Kullia looks distant. Is she a manipulator, or being manipulated? Or does she simply not care? What revenge does she want, to sacrifice so much?The All-Power. That must be the core of chaos. The demon lord thinks you're an agent of Erebus. So, they don't know everything - and they don't know about your plan to save Donovan. Not yet.Kullia looks up again. "...Sandalphon said he would bring Nyx here, and that he is supposed to provide the role of a distraction. He'll just be stalling while the battle enters its fullest state of chaos, but we can't trust him to help us."<I will face John Nyx.>"But if the Lady could not defeat him - "<I need merely hold him off. When the time comes, he will be left behind. We will allow the angel to make his sacrifice and lay his spell upon us. And then, his own attempt to bring forth the Lord of Light will merely facilitate us bringing forth the Greatest. And then the end of physicality shall come, and the only limits upon what is shall be our own imaginations. The All-Power will consume the world.>"Everything will change." Kullia smiles. "All of Venia will be ours."<Venia,> the demon lord whispers, <is but the beginning.>------------------>con't
>>31460524ERASURE. NOW.
>>31460489I had this in mind for Kullia's theme:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suUtJxccoaU
>>31460547We already left there anon.
Your allies sit around a table in a room in the castle, looking dazed. A heavy enchantment sits over the stone walls and tapesties, courtesy of Melody - preventing any outside ears from eavesdropping.You made it out of the palace as quickly as you could, and called upon everyone as soon as you got back. Your inner circle - those that know your true identity - are all in attendance. Abigail, Auriel, Ila, Melody, Steward, Valeria, Hemmelus, Adavan, and Yi Fang.Fang is the first to recover. He settles himself in his chair and folds his hands on the table. "This means," Fang says, "that Sandalphon has not just capitalized on this situation, he has instigated it. Everything falls into place.""...I'm still trying to process," Auriel says. "How could he go so far?""How could he not?" Fang asks. "Kullia Nesteral was handpicked to foment friction and rebellion within Kan-Abar's royal family. In that, she has succeeded wonderfully. It may go as far as Sandalphon specifically using the country as a vector to summon the demon lords.""But why?" Abigail asks. "All for Hyperion?""And another, greater reason," Fang says. "Why didn't the Ring City move against the alliance sooner? They had to have seen this coming - perhaps not on this scale, not reaching as far as Arland, but Sandalphon knew there were many with vested interests against his dictates. The answer is simple. They allowed us to organize specifically to create this very situation. The world, united against utter destruction. And who should come to save us? Why, Hyperion himself. Sandalphon has created a grand conflict so that he can be its savior. He will finally unite the world in his vision of peace. By force. And none would be the wiser." Fang looks at you. "But we are the wiser.">con't
>>31460493I believe we're stronger than the Black Lady while not wielding the Staff of Winds.
>>31460447All credit goes to Lolwut for that.I made that version, but he made the original as well as gave me the source for it.Also, here's a slower version
>>31460447Oh hey, he did end up making a nicer one.
"How does Kullia play into this?" Auriel asks. "I knew her from the announcement of her betrothment to Obis - a daughter of one of the high nobles of the empire.""The role he chose for her," Fang says. "She has probably been a subversive agent from the beginning. Unbeknownst to Sandalphon, however, she seems to have thrown in with the demons. Some combination of their corrupting influence, and her own motivations.""What sort of revenge do you think she's after?" you ask.Fang shrugs. "Perhaps the Prince Vin can give us some clues. But it would be a cruel thing to summon him here, now.""What do you mean?""It is best," Fang says, "if Kullia and Nulis die in combat.""Obis needs to know what she is," Auriel says."Does he?" Fang asks. "What will he do when he hears what Shadow has to say? Roll his shoulders and admit that Kullia is the mastermind behind pitting him against his brother and setting his nation at odds with the rest of the civilized world? I'm sure he'll take that wonderfully.""Obis won't forgive me if I don't bring him to Kan-Abar to confront them himself," you say. "And he has the right. It's a battle that he has to finish.""His selfishness will get him killed.""How can he live with himself if he doesn't finish what he started?""How can he live with himself," Fang says, "if he finds out that everything he thinks he knows is a lie?""I think," Melody says, "you are verging on ironic territory.""And because I have seen that territory," Fang says, "I know it is a place not worth treading.""...unbelievable," Auriel says. "Am I witnessing the compassion of our dearest Archmage?""The prince will be useless if his morale collapses.""Sounds like a convenient excuse.">con't
Fang ignores her. "Shadow. Obis should not be allowed to go to Kan-Abar. The fight is not there, it is here. You need to do what you do best, and get out. If he does not live to see his country out of this mess, it is quite likely that the empire will occupy Kan-Abar in an effort to 'stablize' it.""Would you let Sandalphon do such a thing?" Melody asks."No," Fang says, "but that's no good reason not to have contingencies in place."Auriel sighs. "Just when I think he's making progress, he starts talking about people as if they're contigencies.""Old habits die hard," Fang says."Considering your state of unlife, I suppose that goes double."Fang taps a finger on the table. "I'm glad you find our position at the brink of complete and total destruction to be one worthy of petty humor.""Some of us have to bring a little levity to the table."You're surprised Auriel is in such a good mood. Her visit with Donovan really turned her head around. That will help her when push comes to shove.Fang has made some heavy points. The prophecy tells you that, without your help, if Obis heads off on a wild quest for vengeance, he'll die.What do you do?>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battle.>Leave Obis out of the discussion. When you go to Kan-Abar, you will mete your own judgement on Nulis and Kullia.>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat foot>some other strategy>>31460563That's for when there's a fight involving her or leading up to when Obis confronts her and Nulis
>>31460576We need to tell Obis his bitch is whack.
>>31460629>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat foot>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battle.>>31460629>That's for when there's a fight involving her or leading up to when Obis confronts her and NulisAw. We have to eat those GLORIOUS HYPERION-BLESSED TITS?Or we could just eat the rest of her and leave the tits for Obis, I dunno.
>>31460629>>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat foot
>>31460629>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat footWhatever we do I really liked that one because it left both the Demon Lord & Sandalphon having to make their best guess.
>>31460629>>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battle.
>>31460629>>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battle.>>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat foot
>>31460629>>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battle.>>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat footHopefully we can convince him that we don't even need to be there and we will take care of Nulis and Kullia after we finish the battle.
>>31460629>Suggest your plan to substitute yourself with a construct so that you can remain in reserve during the battle, leaving Sandalphon on a flat footOf course going for this one means we also don't let Obis go to the battle. But it also means that we don't really have the means to kill the demon lords by offing their summoners.My thinking was that the construct would be distracting the demon lord while we kill the summoners.How does this substitute actually help us otherwise or am I missing something pretty big?
>>31460629SM would it be possible to supercharge the Nemesis's ice cannons using the Aurora Water Gem?
>>31460629>>>Summon Obis and tell him the truth of the situation. Knowing Kullia's motivations might be helpful in planning for battleWe most know more.
>>31460780Allows us to be at the battle instead of dicking around doing nothing in Kan-Abar.Everyone knows nothing usefull will be accomplished in Kan-Abar because there is no way the Big Demon Lord will let Nulis die.And Nulis has like 3/4 of them summoned himself.
>>31460771But if we have to take care of Nulis and Kullia AFTER the battle that still leaves demon lords in play.Does that mean... we expect our allies to be able to defeat them with the aid of the Nemesis? I hope that's what it means, because otherwise BAM DEMON DICK TO THE FACE.Because I like the plan in its essence as it allows us to hold Obis in reserve of his own free will as we leave the summoners for AFTER the battle. But still. That means the demon lords will have to be killed directly, not via their summoners.
>>31460798.....Could we feed the Gem to the Nemesis?
>>31460798>SM would it be possible to supercharge the Nemesis's ice cannons using the Aurora Water Gem?An idea I have not considered.I suppose putting the the gem in close proximity with a water dynamo may have UNEXPECTED SIDE EFFECTS INCLUDING BLEEDING, NAUSEA, LOOSE STOOLS, AND OVERCHARGED ICY BEAMS OF DOOM----------------So I guess we're going with construct distraction in favor of remaining poised in battle and ready to pounce at a moment's notice. Active, rather than reactive.And getting Obis in on the whole Kullia-really-actually-truly-is a mega bitch writing
>>31460798I think we might be able to. The thing is about twice as powerful as a dynamo if we go by xp value.
>>31460843We could take a least one out.Probably two or three with the Chronomacny barrage.
>>31460844You'll have to try it to find out.
>>31460875RUSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!poor form
>>31460855>I suppose putting the the gem in close proximity with a water dynamo may have UNEXPECTED SIDE EFFECTS INCLUDING BLEEDING, NAUSEA, LOOSE STOOLS, AND OVERCHARGED ICY BEAMS OF DOOMWe are so doing it.Also could you answer this>>31460497
>>31460875I really dislike it when someone doesn't wait for the right moment to prevent itself. All you newer kids on the block are too jumpy. Have some patience!
>>31460875
>>31460855>>SM would it be possible to supercharge the Nemesis's ice cannons using the Aurora Water Gem?>An idea I have not considered.>I suppose putting the the gem in close proximity with a water dynamo may have UNEXPECTED SIDE EFFECTS INCLUDING BLEEDING, NAUSEA, LOOSE STOOLS, AND OVERCHARGED ICY BEAMS OF DOOMDo it.
Are there any Light Dynamos?
>>31460965No light magic in our ship. Filthy lightu piggu go home.
>>31460965Yes. I don't know which ships have them though.
>>31460965We need to get one of each element so we can reproduce something similar to the AoC attack and get our shards ready in one go.
>>31460991Just asking since we've never seen a ship described with one.>>31460986You don't want the Nemesis to be the beacon of Unity for the New World?
>>31461037>Just asking since we've never seen a ship described with one.Yes we have. It was a long time ago and I don't remember the name, but we have. I think it was when we were in Ring City.
>>31460965I think the Velarion had a Light dynamo. The Way of Light might have one too.
Hey guys, we could just let it happen.We have a ship that can sail the void. It can make water and food.Just leave Venia behind and watch it faboom itself into netherblivion.
>>31461050That was the Ragnarok and SM made a mistake, it was supposed to be lightning>>31461066Velarion was Lightning.
We're going to have to take Obis and sit on him after we tell him about the megabitch.
>>31461069If we fail then we take all the Airships and leave this place.
>>31461091Or tell him that the summoners can wait until after the battle.
Isn't the wreck of the airship that we took to Xile still up there just minus the Dynamo that was destroyed? the Flint family one?We should have cannibalized it.
>>31461069I wonder if taking people away from the Heart of Venia would have any horrible effects on them?The anti-magic nation Nelmar seems to function fine, but they are at least still within proximity of the Heart.
>>31461144What are you calling it the Heart? It's the Core.And we still don't know what the rest of the Sphere that is the Core is covered with, since Venia is a flat plane.
>>31461066To clarify what >>31461083 said, Flint once said it was light, but that was a typo and the ship was actually lightning. SM recently corrected himself when it came up. I think some light dynamos were mentioned when SM last went over his master list of airships, though I'm not sure.
"Obis needs to know the truth, and we need all the information we can get.""Shadow," Valeria says, "while the archmage makes his point bluntly, it does stand. The prince will not take this news well.""We need to understand our enemies to defeat them. Eventually, Obis will move on."You send a messenger for the prince. Obis enters the room slowly. He glances around at everyone. "What's going on?""Obis," you say, "there's something you need to know."--------------Obis is silent.And awkwardness fills the room. Abigail coughs lightly. Melody shifts in her chair."...so," Obis says, "my fiance is a madwoman? Is that it?""She spoke the words herself," you say."I'll get the truth myself.""We need to know why Kullia would do this.""She wouldn't!" Obis says. "No more than anyone in this room would! How should I know the first damn thing about this?!""If anyone had a hint as to her motivations, it would be you," Auriel says. Her voice is soft. "This isn't an interrogation, Obis. We're just have to have everything on the table. If there's anything you can tell us..."Obis is visibly agitated. He paces near the doors. "...she...she disliked Sandalphon's handling of the lesser elements. Especially Shadow and Spirit mages. She is...earth, and spirit, herself. But she is mainly light-souled, and was overlooked because of it. And her own position as a noble. But...she was bitter. Angry at the system.""And specifics?" Fang asks."No," Obis grunts. "It never went further than that. She doesn't like politics.""Apparently," Fang says, "she has misled you on that front.""I'll hear it from her, Archmage. And no one else.""At the tip of a sword?" Fang asks.>con't
"At - when I see her, she'll - " Obis grits his teeth. His fists clench. He forces them to his sides. He is caught in his own words, in an untenable scenario. You can almost see the image in his head - there he is, standing in front of Nulis and Kullia. And then what? What if it's true?"...Obis," you say, "we're not going to Kan-Abar.""What? You said you're going with Sandalphon. You said you'd take me.""I'm not going to Kan-Abar - I have a contingency in place. And if I'm not going, you're not going. It's too dangerous. Once we've destroyed the Pentaverate, we can confront Nulis and Kullia.""That's bullshit!" Obis shouts."You'll die if you go alone, and I'm not going.""I get it, Shadow. O do. Donovan takes priority for you. Well, I hope hypocrisy tastes good, because you're swimming in it!">Relent and take Obis to Kan-Abar as planned.>Offer an apology, but remain firm in your decision.>Tell him to get over himself. The world is more important than his immediate gratification.>some other strategy
>>31461228Tell him it'll wait till after the battle.Plans have changed and we're not letting you die.
>>31461254Can we Impression the entire conversation at him before we make a choice? Just to show that we're not bullshitting him on this.
>>31461254>>Tell him to get over himself. The world is more important than his immediate gratification.Time for Shadow to snap.The World is more important that Donny or KuliaTell him that if we can't save him we'll kill Donovan ourself.
>>31461254>Offer an apology, but remain firm in your decision.
>>31461281Honestly, that seems a bit harsh. Maybe harshness is what's needed, but...
>>31461254"Obis are your answers more important than the fate of the world? We can get to the bottom of this AFTER we make sure that Venia isn't invaded by an unstoppable army of demons, or invaded by Hyperion himself.
>>31461254>Tell him to get over himself. The world is more important than his immediate gratification.Also tell him that we're willing to kill donovan if it means saving the world, ask him if he'd do that same.
>>31461292I like this, even if it's a little edgy."IT'S NOT ABOUT GODDAMN DONOVAN! IT'S ABOUT THIS ENTIRE WORLD!"Impression the Demon's words at him.
>>31461254>Shadow. O doIt took me three minutes to realize you meant "I do" instead of "O do"Was confused as fuck as to when we got a last name, and why it sounded Irish.
>>31461254>some other strategy"The contingency I thought of was for the very purpose of keeping you alive and out of Kan-Abar.Obis, they know our plan already. They know that we're both going to try sneaking in there, as Sandalphon has given them that information. The Demon Lord will be lying in wait for us- while Sandalphons distraction does nothing to divert it away. It's the rawest form of a trap and you want to walk right into it and achieve nothing.Think of it this way, Obis. If we're successful otherwise, and you're still alive, the summoners will still have to be confronted. You can still be there for that if you must."
>>31461254"Donovan is the final piece in a plan to bring about the return of a God, forgive me if that takes some slight precedence over your broken heart."
>>31461317>>31461292Seconding.Hits home for everyone.
>>31461346heh, my bad. I didn't even notice until you pointed it out.Stupid O. Why are you next to I on the keyboard?
>>31461292THIS
>>31461334>>31461317>>31461292Do this."IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DONOVAN, YOU OBSTINATE SON OF A BITCH. IT'S ABOUT ALL OF FUCKING VENIA."
>>31461316It's worse than demons or Hyperion.
>>31461254>We will stop the Pentaverate and Sandalphon's plan then I WILL personally take you to Kan-Abar I promise you that. If the world dies tomorrow there will be no Kan-Abar, Kullia or your brother to front.
>>31461350seconding, this is basically the primary reason why going to kan-abar is dumb anywayssince they already know our plans in those regardsmaybe mix it with the donny thing
>>31461334>>31461292I agree Shadow should flip out a little.
>>31461254>>Offer an apology, but remain firm in your decision.Their plan was to pull a vanishing act at the last minute all along. Insisting on going to Kan-Abar as planned in spite of knowing that is insane.ESPECIALLY now that we know what the demon-side of the equation is actually planning on doing.>>31461350The fact that Sandalphon knows the plan and is, presumably, going to share it with his agents in Kan-Abar thinking they're still on his side is a good point to bring up as well.
>>31461350>>31461416These, and flip out a little.
>>31461292Seconding (fourthing?)
>>31461254Tell him that with our original plan expose Kullia and her brother will likely not be in Kan-Abar. Only the fourth demon lord will be waiting for us there.
>>31461350this
>>31461292>>31461350Snapping AND reasoning it out. I rike it much.
>>31461254lead with these>>31461292>>31461317>>31461334>>31461390 move to these>>31461350>>31461406>>31461416
>>31461473This and >>31461350.
>>31461473This, so much this.I HAVE NOT ENOUGH THIS FOR THIS.
>>31461487Second
>>31461487Basically this.
>>31461473>>31461487Dese niggas got it.
this is actually the first time we'll have flipped out in front of everyone here at oncei think the only other two were donovan back at tarun gakth, auriel back at the dukes keep, and fang when he archoniumed abigail
>>31461487Pretty much this, slap him back to reality and what is really at stake. And then explain to him on its obviously a trap and they will be elsewhere. The conformation he wishes will not be tomorrow, but it will be soon and WE PROMISE that we make sure it will happens and be there for him.
>>31461625This. Emphasize that he will get his confrontation, but it will not happen in the palace.
>>31461647That IT can't happen in the palace because they will not be there.
Make sure we word this right.Saying that "this isn't just about Donovon anymore, it's about the entire world" presents less chance for Auriel to become the next problem than just saying that this isn't about Donovon.
>>31461473That is a good point.Hey, would summoning Leviathan to drown Kan-Abar mess up the demon plans?
>saying we'll kill donny if we have to>in front of Auriel and Abigailhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuWZxDMGnk
>>31461694Too much of a dick move for the people that just live there.
I wonder if having Obis snap and call us a hypocrite is also related to how we've been ignoring him for so long... when was the last time we did anything together?
>>31461694Honestly, the more I re-read the last few threads about Leviathan's mentions the more and more I am convinced that no good will come of it. We should really just acquire both halves and eat him.
"Get over yourself, Obis. This isn't just about Donovan. The fate of Venia is more important than your immediate personal gratification. Every damn day, I've wondered why I'm even bothering with these over-complicated plans, the politics, the games, everything. Do you think the absolutes haven't crossed my mind? You know what I thought of the other day? That I'd return to Xile, find the controls, and then blackmail Sandalphon into giving up Donovan or having an island dropped on his city. Or maybe I'd find a way to free Geb, and set him loose on the empire. Or maybe I'd fly to Imil and teleport a volcano's worth of lava somewhere he wouldn't want it."But I didn't, because I'm not a blind idiot willing to sacrifice the rest of the world and everything decent to save my friend. I'm sitting here, thinking carefully, inching forward step by step, because I think that's the best way to save Donovan. And if I can't save him - if it's either him or the world - then I know what he would tell me to do! And I'll fucking do it! What do you have to say about that?!"Obis is shocked silent. Everyone is leaning back, eyes wide. Even Steward looks bothered.The lights in the room are flickering. There's a black aura coating you like a second skin. Violet energy is seeping from you like a steam.Abigail is at your shoulder. Her hand touches your arm. "...Shadow."You take a steadying breath. The lights come back on, and stay on.>con't
"...if Sandalphon thinks Kullia is still working for him, he'll have told her all the details she'll need to know," you say. "The only thing waiting for us in Kan-Abar will be the Fourth Demon Lord. They won't risk their summoners. The only chance we have is luring them into the open and destroying them with a precision strike. That's what we're going to do. And whatever happens, I'll personally help you confront Nulis and Kullia in whichever way you choose.""...fine." Without another word, Obis turns and walks out of the room."...so," Fang says, "do tell me how you plan on being in Kan-Abar and in Kelvere at the same time."You explain to them you plan to use a construct as a stand-in to keep Sandalphon happy and the Fourth Demon Lord distracted.Steward turns his head slightly. "Shadow. Using the power of a dynamo, is may be possible to empower a warrior that could survive a significant length of time against even a Demon Lord."Melody glances you up and down. "I think we can disguise it to feel like you. Sandalphon isn't a detector. He won't know the difference. And the demon lord won't, either.""Where will you be during the battle?" Fang asks you.>Right with you, helping carrying out your orders. (And making sure you don't get into trouble!)>On board the Nemesis, flying defense or offense as needed.>Perched on a distant hill, ready to deploy the kinetic bombardment at the right time.>some other strategy
>>31461815>>On board the Nemesis, on the dynamo.
>>31461815>On board the Nemesis, flying defense or offense as needed, while staying in touch with Fang over the radios to carry out his orders and make sure he doesn't get into trouble, while also waiting for the right time to speed deploy the kinetic bombardment.I'm the new Brutus, folks.
>>31461881I support this
I did it I finally Fucking did it2 and a half months and I managed to finally catch up to this quest
>>31461791>crash xile into the ring city, free Geb, and set him loose on the empire. teleport a volcano's worth of lava somewhere he wouldn't want it.oh god I remember discussing those ideasholy shit sm 10/10 for using the ideas this way>>31461815Let's charge that extra dynamo shell we found on Xile and put that in Shade/a robot, that way we can keep the other for possible spell enhancing.and;>>31461881seconding this, radios are awesome
Rolled 98>>31461815we could help push the front, grabbing shittons of exp from all the demons and mages (of which the entire opposing army is made of)we could very much use that... plus we can withdraw from battle by using the shadows of all the ... conflicting beings using said chaos to get out undetected after 'showing ourselves' therejust a thought
>>31461815>On board the Nemesis
>>31461815We get really to go in for a quick kill on a demon lord. The one that uses plague and sickness could be the weaker for us to conform since his power will be useless against us. If we kill one Demon Lord their whole plan goes down the drain.Also ask Freja to making sure that Obis so he doesn't do anything stupid.
>>31461906I applaud your dedication good sir.>>31461881And this.
>>31461925We do need EXP.
>>31461881>I'm the new Brutus, folks.I don't get it.
>>31461968He's talking about the middle of the road captain, rather than the guy that's known for being remarked upon before stabbing his leader and former friend.
>>31461968There was some namefag or tripfag called Captain Middle-of-the-Road Brutus or something, haven't seen him around lately. His gimmick was trying to find the middle option in everything.
>>31461938I agree with this guy; even if the pentavarate only needs the giant fifth guy, Sandals plan at least needs the 4 already here to work. Picking one off early could stop the whole ritual before it even begins
>>31462018It could also blow the Chronomancy plan and our chance to save Donovan. We have no idea where he is.
>>31461938>>31462018If it dragged out at all, the other Demon Lords would teleport in to stop you.Nothing stopping you from trying Erasure or something, if you can get a bead on one.Remember that you were basically wrestling with 001 when you used that technique.
>>31461917Oh shit, we did get another dynamo shell at Xile, with arcturis no less. I'll second using that.>>31461938>>31462018That point was brought up a long time ago and shot down every time because of one major problem.The problem is Demon Lord teleportation. If that one is in danger it can teleport in others to help it, or alternatively teleport away to another demon lord after it gets weakened enough to kill. Or even have one teleport in and then teleport to another to tag team.The chronomacy is our countermeasure for that.
>>31462018>>31461938I'll second asking Freja to make sure Obis doesn't do anything stupid.But going after demon lords in this way isn't really brilliant for what we're trying to achieve.
>>31462038>shadow meld with silence>super sneak close>Erasure
>>31462038Like I say go for the quick kill, and if they try to gang up on us use the Nemesis to fuck them up, no hesitation if we are on the way. The fate of the world comes before us.
>>31462085Too bad we broke the shard already!
Rolled 19>>31462116which is why I was suggesting we grab EXP in the fight.We could use the exp and magic flying around there to recharge our shardsthink about it. We kill, cause chaos which pushes the front.we also can grab exp from demons who were shot down.Eventually we'll become a target of focused magical fire which we can abosrb into shards via our new ability
Note: I already charged your Dynamo Shell as part of the "arriving back from Xile" summary.So what I'm getting is:>send a Dynamo+disguise construct in with Sandals to Kan-Abar to play scarecrow>hang out in the Nemesis until needed>make sure Freja keeps an eye on Obis--------------As for going for a quick kill, there's multiple variables at stake here.The point of the Chronomancy plan is to allow the demons to form their pentaverate summoning thingy, wait for Sandalphon to layer his sigil over it, and then activate the time slowing spell on top of that. And then, unleash the fury in a pinpoint strike to basically annihilate everything in the time-stopped region except for a tiny patch of earth where Donovan is standing.If you kill a Demon Lord via Erasure - a perfectly feasible plan - then Sandals has no reason to bring Donovan out into the open. So, you'll have to retrieve him via alternate means.Not discouraging the idea, just make sure you're aware of the potential complications.
>>31461881This
>>31462090The problem is that doesn't preserve the fate of the world by dealing with the sigil or having them all in the right place to be dealt with. The implication that we were wrestling with 002 when using erasure is that a personal teleport is still just as functional to get away from it.
>>31462038So we're only going to get one or two turns of combat before the other Demon Lords show up to wreck us?Great.
>>31462038>Grapple with the berserker>ErasureJust gotta make sure to get the whole thing.Use DW +Erasure.
>>31462233I'd rather not, thanks.
>>31462197How many Suicide Squads do you think we could stack on top of the Chronomancy? I bet it's a lot.
>>31462233>>31462211>>31462197Then we save Erasure for after the chronomancy thing.Because there's no way we'll get all of them.
>>31462224>So we're only going to get one or two turns of combat before the other Demon Lords show up to wreck us?It's only going to call the others if it feels it is in immediate mortal danger. So, you want to plan your means of attack carefully.
Rolled 45>>31462197we COULD goad demon lords into going further away from the main battlegrounds. Set a teleport anchor near the grounds, get far away enough it'd take them a little while to get us. let ourselves get surrounded, then gtfo to the main battle shortly before dropping bombardmentAlso, can't we think with portals in regards to the kinetic bombardment?
>>31462197No, that's OK, I didn't realize that the demons need to be that close to do their pentaverate summoning thingy. I just imagine that the whole battlefield was going to be their pentaverate and Sandalphon just needed to put his sigil near the center.
>>31462260After the Chronomancy happens.Because that one will be one of them to survive.Then we wipe it from existence.
>>31462274Play with it a bit, then. Then when it feels threatened enough to summon the other Demon Lords, ERASURE TIME for all of them.Or we could go with the Chronomancy plan.
>>31462281They teleport to each other instantly, distance doesn't matter.
>>31462281>Also, can't we think with portals in regards to the kinetic bombardment?I find that unnecessary unless you're going to do something really fancy. I mean, I assume a ta minimum you'll be traveling downward at supersonic speeds when you unPocket your bombardment.Also, Steward conveniently attached the missiles together so that you can unPocket them with minimal effort. They will separate over a wider area once released.
Rolled 7>>31462316>teleport to each other instantlywhat happens if all of them are far away?
>>31462289Every other sigil or major spell has required its masters to be close to it while directing it themselves, don't really see how you'd believe this would be any different.>>31462309And the chronomancy plan is superior because it actually lets us deal with the MAIN ISSUE AT HAND THAT YOU ARE IGNORING FOR A QUICK KILL THAT WON'T WORK.
>>31462309Or we just do the Erasure plan after the Chronomancy plan.
Remember folks, the main objective is SAVE DONOVAN. To do that, we need Sandals to bring him out of wherever he has him stashed away.
>>31462268I thought you were going to be near the Water Dynamo supercharging the Ice Cannon with the Aurora Water Gem.
>>31462349Yes, that. That sounds much better. YES.
>>31462329Then they just summon their penatverate there and all is lost.Seriously you are making no sense.what do you mean think with portals?We're using our pocket
>>31462349Yes we are.
>>31462349The suicide squad doesn't feel like a precision weapon anyway.
>>31460798Why don't we just eat half of Leviathian?The only reason I see not to is that it's kinda fucked up. Your existence is marked by excruciating suffering and being a water cleaner for 7 centuries cause an acquaintance said "Ayo I got this sick ass plan" then the only chance for freedom from pain finds out that you're probably a dick and then you suffer for another 7 centuries or so.
>>31462349Why not just have someone else hold it?kind of a waste of our talent
In which thread was the description of each demon lord?
Rolled 71>>31462378was just wondering. means we can strike from even further away if we preplan a pointalso doesn't the penaterverate have to be at a specific spot? Even if all of them are very far away from the spot, it won't delay their getting back?I'm a bit sleepy right now so yeah...
Theory:Venia is a computer simulation and Erebus is an AI that got in through a back door.
Just wanted to point this out: if the construct is found out there is the possibility of people finding out that it was powered by a shadow dynamo, and thus making the conclusion that not only is Erebus influencing things, but he's back on Venia making a direct impact.Not to say that's necessarily a bad thing, nor is it a reason to not use the construct, just want to get it out there.
>>31462397I feel like we should give him a chance.We can always eat him if he doesn't shape up.
>>31462445Any shadow elemental can create a dynamo.
>>31462436it can be any spot.And why does it matter where we are?We wanna be closer to the battle
>>31462341The main objective is to save the world.Bringing Donovan out -- and saving him -- happen to both coincide with that goal.
>>31462445But shadow dynamos already exist.On top of that an army of Shadow Mages and the Black Lady are both involved in the war effort, so wouldn't it make sense that they had at least some shadow dynamos?
>>31462445Erebus. Or just a Shadow Elemental, as Vellik presumed. Besides, there's been precedent for it with how many airships we've stolen and how we've been to Xile and we're a powerful Shadow Mage with connections to the automatons of Va'ad. It's not really a major concern.
>>31462445Or he found a shadow dynamo, or stole one, or Steward had one.Dynamos aren't THAT rare.We've found several
>>31462445Every dynamo ever made isn't accounted for. They'll just assume that the constructs were hiding it in their caves.
>>31462466>>31462492>>31462495>>31462498>>31462525Fair enough. I was for some reason under the impression that Erebus wasn't much for charging dynamos and that shadow dynamos were basically unheard of, but if it's nothing to be worried about then all the more reason to go ahead with the kickass construct plan.
>>31462549Vellik straight up pulled out a shadow dynamo and told us to eat it for the first demon lord fight.
>>31462549more common than Light dynamos so far
Alright, so what the hell are we doing?Here's my vaguely wrought hivemind plan:>send a Dynamo+disguise construct in with Sandals to Kan-Abar to play scarecrow>hang out in the Nemesis until needed/attack on front lines for EXP>make sure Freja keeps an eye on Obis>meditate remaining 12 hours until battle (presumably on Silence? x2)With that, I can summarize up until the battle. And then...BATTLE.I might add that I'm going to sleep at 1pm so we'll only really have time for the introduction, unfortunately. We'll see.
>>31462415I'm not sure which thread it is, but it boils down to this;>super splitting up hard to kill lord of physical bitchslapping>super stinky poison oozing aura of death lord of corrosion>well balanced between magical and physical attacks, with adaptabilityand then the final one we met ourselves in kan-abar;>wind and lightning magic MAGIC magic MAGIC oh holy shit so much SEXY MAGIC lord of magic demon lordthat's basically all of them so far
>>31462592Nah, he told us to steal it from the crash site.
Rolled 89>>31462470further away so we can keep demon lords further away. They teleport to one another, so it'll give us time to push our forces without demon lord interference.Eg: more time without demon lord interference = less deaths on our sidealso means we can strike while leading them away.or maybe I'm just bonkers. night
>>31462592uuuuum no?he told us to go eat the Velarions Dynamo.>>31462608also prepare for kinetic bombardment at opprotune moment.Might wanna inform Fang of that plan, cause he would know best when to implement it being the strategist and all.
>>31462608Sounds good to me. Make sure you keep in mind the SUPERCHARGE plan when the Pentaverate is nigh. Bombardment when it's convenient.
>>31462592Ha, right. There you go then.So would it be too suspicious if we made a small army of these things once we get a steady source of shells coming?>>31462608OR you could do the entire battle in one sitting and get through the day by using an abnormally large amount of drugs!
>>31462629Go home your drunk and making no sense.
>>31462608Yes, everything looks good there. Maybe make sure to coordinate with our allies on where our Nyx-KBM will be best used, though I feel saving them for the chronomancy seems obviously advantageous.
GUYS! LET'S ARTIFACT OUR STAND IN CONSTRUCT! If it can hold it's ground versus a Demon Lord imagine what it would be as an artifact!
>>31462650>also prepare for kinetic bombardment at opprotune moment.Look, you can't be everywhere at once. If you're not standing next to Fang, he might get away with a few things.you'll be playing Fang so we'll seeYou can't be on the ground fighting and preparing for an orbital bombardment. You can't be in the gun room charging the water dynamo and keeping an eye on Fang. Tasks are mutually exclusive.
>>31462687I'd rather create a giant dynamo and Artifact that.
>>31462714Give the Gem to someone else to be ready to supercharge.
>>31462687we only have one more use of that, no point in wasting it on overkill
>>31462714>inform Fang of bombardment plan so he can let us know when to get ready and move to start the drop>shouldn't take to long to fly up and fly down>Give the Aurora Gem to someone else (Auriel/Tyreal) to be ready to supercharge the water cannon>RadiosAnd set us in the battle field taking orders from Fang on where to fight/what to do.
Alright, enough putzing around. Time to write this shit>>31462655>OR you could do the entire battle in one sitting and get through the day by using an abnormally large amount of drugs!>pic related>>31462742I said yes to that idea because it sounds both very logical and badass. You can't pass it off to some grunt and expect it to work.Anyway, when you're firing into the chronomancy, you're not really gonna have much else to do.
>>31462714We don't need to stand next to Fang.He can handle the ground, we'll prepare for the orbital bombardment.
>>31462785Pretty much this.
>>31462714Okay. I think the orbital bombardment will do more against the demon lords within the chronomancy, and fighting on the ground may help our allies at opportune times.Just remember that if we're fighting on the ground we can't retain our human form; otherwise we'll get indicated by the enemy and the lords will know we're not in Kan-Abar, so there's that.
>>31462801Tyreal or Auriel or Hamil should be able to pull it off correct?
>>31462801Surely Auriel could do it yes?
>>31462714>Tasks are mutually exclusive.Oh no they aren't.We just have to split ourselves up like the Erebus of old did!We just have a matter of hours to figure out how to do it, and we have to assume that even reinforced with humanity they won't cause trouble on their own, and we have to hope that somebody doesn't interfere à la a certain elf queen.Easy, right?On a more serious note, could you explain what kind of preparation actually goes into the bombardment? I was thinking that it would just be a matter of being in the area, using supersonic to get high, then going sanicfast towards to ground to let loose.And get away intact, of course.
>>31462831>>31462859Guys, she's an airship captain and a coordinator for our forces. She's more strategically useful in that modus than holding a water gem to a dynamo.
>>31462886Hamil.
>>31462899A grunt.
>>31460493This chart says to me "Servant the Black Lady"
>>31462831>>31462859...do you REALLY want to hand Elemental Lord energy rocks to your friends and tell them to zap the dynamo with it?>>31462866>what kind of preparation actually goes into the bombardment?You just gotta fly up real high and then fly down. But you can't do that and be busy somewhere else, obviously.Remember that the bombardment is occurring -just after- the Chronomancy, when Donovan and friends are clear of the blast zone and your enemies are still recovering from airship fire. So, timing is important.Anyway, time's a wasting
>>31462714>>31462866Same, seemed like a 10 second kinda thing.>>31462886Tyreal or Hamil could be spared for like a minute and a half.Or Auriel could use it during the chronomancy when we have plenty of time.>>31462908dudes not a grunt
>>31462909Really? I see "The earth tree is the one true way to ultimate power."
>>31462914>...do you REALLY want to hand Elemental Lord energy rocks to your friends and tell them to zap the dynamo with it?yeah, i trust auriel
>>31462914Alright so do the water cannon first, and then segue to Orbital Bombardment.Fang can handle the ground forces.
>>31462943>Earth PartyYour post tells me that you're a pants shitter.
>>31462914>...do you REALLY want to hand Elemental Lord energy rocks to your friends and tell them to zap the dynamo with it?No, they're just pattering about trying to edge in an advantage that they're really greedy for.
>>31462914>...do you REALLY want to hand Elemental Lord energy rocks to your friends and tell them to zap the dynamo with it?Yep, it's either that or eat him.
>>31462949>>31462974sounds like a good way to lose it forever
>>31462914Alright. I'm gonna vote for pulling the trigger on your earlier stated battle-plan.
Roll some dice for Silence, by the way.
>>31462914Yeah i trust our allies with it.
>>31462966Sir thems fighting words
>>31462914>do you REALLY want to hand Elemental Lord energy rocks to your friends and tell them to zap the dynamo with it?OK, lets not. I only trust ourselves with it.
>>31462949>>31462974I've been waiting for this
Rolled 83>>31463004Rollin!
Rolled 46>>31463004
Rolled 30>>31463004nfigplease let my luck hold!!!!!!!!!!
Rolled 84>>31463004
>>31463014Yeah this. Let's just do the things only we can do and trust our allies with the rest.
Rolled 69>>31463004
Rolled 28>>31463004
>Trusting crazyman prophecies born forth from the Nether core.>Trusting the sage with powers in all the higher chaos.>Trusting the sage's plan to work.I sure hope you guys don't do this.
Rolled 92>>31463032fuck>>31463004
>>31462974Or, you know, try to bring him back at a later date.
Rolled 76>>31463004SYLUNZ
>>31463024>>31463029For the first session to repair it...>>31463037>>31463047And the second session to place it above weak/normal.Good enough.
>>31463054>not trusting trusted allies to touch one thing to anotherSeriously fucked up trust issues
>>31463054It's a proven fact that crazy old men and bartenders are fonts of eternal wisdom.
>>31462914Kept the gem with ourselves. We haven't even tested if its possible to do that safety. We shouldn't experiment with it on the battle.
>>31462886>>31462899>>31462949>>31463008The point is that "channeling power (vaguely, somehow?) from a fragment of an elemental lord into a dynamo" is a thing nobody but us is capable of doing effectively. Because we're the only one with any level of experience in doing something along those lines, since we did it with our own body.And even then, it took a pretty distinct effort on our part to get it to work properly without overloading the dynamo in question.Just focus on battlefield control in the early phases (and don't blow our cover; if we're noticed on the front lines in addition to being back in Kan-Abar, a scout demon can pretty easily just send word back that one of us is a doppelganger.), then get back to the ship to charge up our weapons to make our focused fire as effective as possible.A more effective initial bombardment = more time to set up post-Chronomancy for further attacks.
>>31463054Oh PLEASE anon. It's not like Hemmelus is playing us like a fiddle and the true purpose of the chronomancy is to put even more tons of CHAOS and ORDER at a slow and digestible rate towards the spell to summon Hyperion without actually damaging the core, right?Because that'd just be impossible!
>>31463084>>31463084It's not "channeling power" its "touch object A to object B.
>>31463084We also haven't test it, it could result in unexpected consequences.
>>31463106>anon, PHD in Shadow Quest PhysicsYou have no idea how it's going to work, but chances are just touching objects to each other isn't going to do anything productive. When SM himself heavily hinted as such himself, whatever points you might have lose support quickly
>>31463150SM is just trying to keep us from making the battle too easy.
>>31462197So I got here late but did we agree that Erasuring a demon lord when it's solo and retrieving Flint eventually would be a safer plan than waiting for a hundred different variables to converge and hope for the best when shooting up the sigil?Because please tell me yes.
>>31463150Umm not hat anon but that's kinda how dynamos have worked before.IE: the lightning dynamo stunting the Spirit spellThe opposite is probably true, so touching them together makes perfect sense.
>>31463172No, he's trying to keep you from telling one of our allies to freezesplode themselves harder than Leviathan with blizzard diarrhea.
>>31463106>>31463172Its a magic dynamo and a piece of an elemental lord. I think there are a lot of unknowns with what could result from trying to use it like that.
>>31463084Yeah this. We're going to mostly stay out of things.
>>31463182No>>31463211>>31463216We have durable allies
>>31463182No. Because that's not actually a good plan. For reasons that already led to its dismissal, read up if you want them.
>>31463182So they can keep Flint hidden away, move the sigil someplace else, and try again in a different, possibly more discreet manner?No.The best chance we have is now, when they think everything is going to go their way and we have a small handful of trump cards that they don't know about.>>31463204Except SM implied that it would be a stupid fucking idea, so your point is null, even if he is "lying," because if you challenge everything the QM says, what's the point of playing in a quest?He says it's a bad idea, so it's a bad idea.
>>31463204But one is a piece of an elemental that have a reputation of bad temperament. Not a another dynamo.
>>31463236>We have durable alliesThe worst and most flimsy excuse in the world to move forward with something that we've yet to even try ourselves.Hell, maybe if we had King Deva to help us out that wouldn't be so bad of an idea, but we don't so there.
>>31463236We're the most durable of all. Anyways, we can't be seen until the Shadow Clone gets to Kan-Abar.
>>31463242Could you summarise? Because let's be honest, we don't have a fucking clue what's going to happen to the pentaverate or the sigil or anything.
Matthel has seen how we fight. Can we replicate that for the Shadow Clone?
>>31463273>>31463267>>31463275pointIt's a shame we couldn't diplomance the waterpeople.
>>31463276This exactly.We're not going to do any ground action, we stay on the Nemesis and in the sky.
>>31463296Yeah we do, we just spent the thread planning.Now go back and read the thread>>31463302I would support limited ground action as Fang directs. Nothing serious though.
>>31463296I did summarize."No." Now drop it and focus.
>>31463301Never had time or a direct reason to go there. I hoping for some down time after this.
>>31463301We never got around to going to Atlantis.
>>31463296Maybe we can't predict everything.But we do know exactly what will happen when we have all of our strongest enemies in one spot, trapped in a time bubble, and hit them with over 20 lbs of pussy and ass.They get hurt.It sounds complex, but it's a surprisingly simple plan, assuming Auriel is as good a shot as she thinks she is.
>>31463325>>31463327He's probably one of those Anons whose still mad as SM for railroading and claims that none of this will ever work ever and will only succeed via QM fiat instead of player and NPC skill.
>>31463356But what if it's not enough?It's too risky. P
>>31463299I don't think Sandalphon asked about that. Maybe Anahita, though.
>>31463372>>31463397Well then. That's solves that.
>>31463023I read that doujin.Kinky.
>>31463437Mah nigga. Very creative use of double lockpicks.
>>31463397We thought it had a good chance back when the Nemesis had only consumed one other airship. We've since added multiple guns.It's more than enough firepower.>>31463437More like kinKEY
>>31463450Indeed. The anal was the best part.>>31463474CARLOS!
>>31463372Is this honestly what it's come to in SQ? Because I voice my concerns I am attacked with ad hominen implications? My concern is that we don't know how the sigils will react to our firepower. We know the weapons on airships fire Mana, so what if the sigil simply turns it into energy for the summoning. That is all.
>>31463523Dude, WE aren't fast enough to do that without use of an EXP ability.
>>31463523Thta's just unreasonable.otherwise they would have charged that thing in like twenty minutes and summoned hyperion
>>31463523Lets try not to pull a theory out of our ass that we simply can not account for. You have just asked, "What if it can perfectly counter our plan?" Well what if it counters our counter plan or the plan we switch to?We have had specialists and a god look over the spell to see exactly how it works.
>>31463530>>31463544It was just an example. My point still stands and that is we don't know how the actual magic will react to our blasting.
>>31463578If it destroys it then we win.
>>31463523>What if the plan given to us by a knowledgeable and trustworthy NPC ends up with us feeding them power instead of hurting them because of a simple oversight? The plan that's been looked over by multiple people well-versed in how magic works?Yeah, sure, okay.
All our mayor mistakes have been the cause of our nativity. Now were are thinking that our allies will be OK if the try to use a piece of Leviathan as auxiliary power source in a way not even us had tested in anyway. We are talking about a piece of an elemental lord that WASN'T suppose to break off the rest of him. UNSTABLE, UNRELIABLE and INSECURE comes to mind here. Don't be naive and think everything will work out fine.
>>31463578Tone down the shadowruns.
>>31463606Atlantis uses the other half as a super-dynamo just fine.
>>31463606Amen.
>>31463585The same NPCs said storing Donovan on the fastest, invisible airship was a good plan too, you know.
On a non-paranoia note, I wonder if a spirit dynamo in the Nemesis would let the crew, (or at least mages with some talent in spirit) fight the ship telepathically, just food for thought.
>>31463692The sole capital of water mages that have had centuries to test it and adjust to it and direct it with experiences water mages, they had better fucking be able to use it well!
>>31463692Do you know how they do it? Does any of our allies have first hand knowledge on how they do it?
>>31463710They had no way of predicting the AoC.
>>31463692>>31463710It's like watching someone play 'different ballpark' with a goalpost cannon.
>>31463710It was our own damn fault for not keeping him with Hecate and Adavan.
>>31463763>ourThat's a funny way to spell "Shadow Master's". You know, the guy that bent over backwards to confirm both in meta and in the quest itself that the plan was sound.
So who do you think Ila will marry?
>>31463793someone has never heard of the term placating.
>>31463763>implying SM wouldn't have had the AoC break into the tomb and kill Hecate
>>31463828No one. She will remain forever alone, suffering forever as she watches Shadow and Abby happy together.
You decide to hand over your Shadow Dynamo to Steward. You take him and the Black Lady to Haven, where they can work on it in secret.Meanwhile, you speak with Freja and get her up to date on the latest intelligence. She's understandably disturbed, but gives you a fierce promise to look after Obis.With matters in hand, you set your portal anchor south of the battlefield, in case you need to get clear of things quickly, and then return to the Shadow mana pool to meditate.>(Silence) - Strong----------------It's past midnight. The time is getting close.You have to admit, you're pretty impressed when Melody and Steward reveal your double. Even Abigail does a double-take. The voice sounds like you, too.You'll have to keep a relatively low profile during the battle, but your influence could help shape the battle lines. You'll rely on Fang's judgement for the details, though.Your construct heads out to meet with Sandalphon, and you're confident that it's passing itself off. They'll be waiting behind the Imperial lines until Fang gives the word for them to teleport into Kan-Abar. That will be the deciding moment - once the Fourth Lord realizes that it's not really you, and not worth fighting, he'll be sure to teleport into the battlefield to start the pentaverate....hang on, Donovan.----------------------https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EViDQAF4FP8You are the Archmage Yi Fang, and you are the commander of the Allied Forces of Venia.Just as planned.>Fang's Character Sheet - http://pastebin.com/qCuap22W>con't
>>31463894>You are the Archmage Yi Fang, and you are the commander of the Allied Forces of Venia.>Just as planned.fang pls
Arcturis seems to consider it some sort of hybrid co-command position. He's been barking orders all morning. It's like having scum on the bottom of your shoe, only with an inflated sense of self-importance."Would you," you say, "shut up?""What was that?" Arcturis says. He turns in his saddle."I said, how long until the sun is up?""Ah. About three hours.""Indeed."Steward's constructs, to the north, number about 1500, though that doesn't count the teams of smaller repair drones. Melody has mustered 35,000 of her own troops, and two Airships. Your own airships are relatively burdened at the moment, carrying your fleet of smaller fighters.Arland's forces number about 13,000; 2,000 of those being Mage-Knights. Archon has brought forth 25,000 of its own troops. Vellik is nearby with his remaining 2,000, and then there's Haven and the Great Forest. The werewolves and the orks have been breeding, apparently; Great Tree has brought 1500 wolves, and Vaz Grak 2500 warriors. Added to that are 3,000 of Valeria's elves and 1200 soldiers and rangers courtesy of Felnoir. The Nemesis holds about 400, apparently.To the south, there is Atlantis, and the empire. Sandalphon holds strong with about 50,000 soldiers and mages. Atlantis has contributed roughly 5,000.Auriel is in the sky, commanding the navies. You have the Nemesis - somewhere - alongside Melody's Vengeance and Haumod. Vellik is on board his own Bolt. Your own three airships are hanging in the back. Arland has lent the Sebastian Flint, which was an effort, because that idiot Harvan didn't want to risk any at all. All, of course, were originally stolen from Archon and subsequently renamed. But you have the distinct feeling they tend to whitewash the details.To the south, the Empire sails 4 airships.All in all, you have coordinated 113,000 troops. And you're still outnumbered over 2 to 1. Luckily, having 12 airships against their 5, giving you a decided aerial advantage, if you can capitalize upon it.
>>31463894
You're in the hills on the eastern side of the basin, leaning over the table at your command post. The pieces are in place. The board is set. The valley below is filled with lines and lines of restless soldiers, taking what rest they can after their marching. Below you stretches the vast flat valley of the basin. Wide, open ground, unbroken but for a few clusters of woods and the occasional boulder.The front legion of the 250,000 Kanian force has already begun moving forward to crush the joint Arland-Archon leading forces. So far, exchanges have been limited to arrows and long-distance magical skermishes, but the advantage of surprise helped tip the casualties in your favor thus far.The airships are steadily bullying back their Kanian rivals. There are occasional flashes of air-to-air fire in the clouded skies up above, but Auriel has reported that all of them have fallen short. It will take time to establish low-altitude safety and provide air-to-ground support.>con't
>>31463894>Greater WispOh my god!
You have several cards in your hand.>The Black Lady's main force lies in wait east of the river. It can be commanded forward at any time.>Steward will be necessary to cap off the north end of the valley. His construct will have to be summoned with the right timing.>Steward himself tells you that he can burn his mobile platform in exchange for a burst of power. That may prove useful in a pinch.>Haven and Vellik's forces serve as a reserve to assist if there are any sudden problems.>Melody has the Staff of Winds, and you have your fighter fleets. The enemy won't see that attack coming - best saved for something special.>Your Bone Titan will come in handy at some point. But not too early.>You can take to the field yourself, if the troops need a morale boost. But you can't afford to become overly-exposed, or dragged into prolonged conflict.>The angels - while they ostensibly remain on your side - are a precision tool of destruction. You'll need them when the enemy puts together a targeted offensive.>You can always use "That". But you'd like to save it for Sandalphon, if possible.>Abigail is nearby, resting in the tents with Shadow, and one of Haven's representatives, Ila. You could consult with them, if need be. They'll make a powerful strike team. Shadow is keeping in close contact with Auriel, and has told you he might travel to the Nemesis at some point.>Hecate and Hemmelus are higher on the ridge behind you, waiting to cast their spell.For the moment, both sides are keeping their big guns tucked firmly behind their backs. You can always>Let the situation continue undisturbed>Consider various aspects of the situation, or various people around youYou're also surrounded by your advisers. You'd turn to Tae Wong first, and then Yong Xu. Of course, Arcturis is also available, should you suffer enough brain damage to actually ask his opinion.What do you do?
>>31463894>Dragon>Greater Wisp>Greater Plague DemonI KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUYING NEXT
>>31463986>What do you do?i read the pastbin of fangs abilities like they're sex in the form of words and then i'll come back to post
>>31463894>Fang's Character Sheet - http://pastebin.com/qCuap22WYou make me wish we got summoning.
>>31463828werewolf manor maybe a chick
>>31464024This was the intention of the perspective switch all along.SM is sneaky.
>>31463986>Consider various aspects of the situation, or various people around youAsk Tae Wong and Yong Xu what their opinions of the situation are.
> Greater Plague Demon - 80 mana. (6 fire attack, 4 shadow attack, 4 spirit attack. 50% chance that attacks inflict disease. Foes felled by this creature rise as Greater Ghouls under the user's control. Foes felled by Greater Ghouls rise as normal Ghouls. 10 mana to order)dear god
>Mana Barrier: 60/60Why don't we have anything like this?
>>31464097Because we have sick amounts of raw regen.
>Greater wispSo uhSummoning tree anyone?
>>31464024Why didn't we get summoning?
>>31463986We need to draw them closer, tell Auriel to direct the airship to draw their counterparts closer she probably has more experience in airwarfare that anyone.
>>31464110Right. Speaking of regen, how fast does Yi Fang regain mana? Does he even have an ability like that?
>>31464129>Gather - Spend a turn gathering mana. (3d20 to determine mana regeneration)>Fang of Archon - Absorb 100 mana from your surroundings each turn for 5 turns. Cast up to three spells each turn; control twice as many summons. Lose all mana and your remaining mana barrier after turn 5.
>>31464119>We need to draw them closer, tell Auriel to direct the airship to draw their counterparts closer she probably has more experience in airwarfare that anyone.Why don't we let her handle that?
>>31463986Guys remember we are the overall field commander. While tempting we shouldn't engage unless necessary. Stick to the plan.
SM, before you throw us into pitched battle I'd honestly say give us the night to become affiliated with his spells and abilities. Strategy for the battle is fine and all but this is a whole new ball game.
>>31464119>>31464158Let's just stick to the plan for now.Fang proposed it.
>>31464042"Your thoughts, Councilor Wong?"Wong rubs his beard. He considers the map, and then the plains. "...we're still feeling one another out. Best to let things continue for the moment. They haven't fully taken the bait yet.""I, for one," Xu says, "think we ought to hit them harder. Why not throw a few handfuls of flesh golems at them? That can over the retreat.""They're already following," Wong says. "Slow and steady.""Bah. This is an opportunity to bloody them, and we're in a cautious retreat."You decide to:>continue the planned retreat to draw the armies in>throw a little muscle at them>some other strategy---------------->>31464169Yeah, this is the last decision of the night. What happens will be the lead posts next time.
>>31463986Well, according to the plan we need them to take the bait of the smaller forces, which is what they're doing right now. So let that happen, obviously.>>Consider various aspects of the situation, or various people around youand talk strat with Tae Wong/Yong Xu in the meantime.
>>31464148Right, can't believe I missed that one.
>>31464169We probably won't be fighting as him.
>>31464192>throw a little muscle at themIt can't hurt to buy some time.>>31464192
>>31464148It's worth noting that 'Fang of Archon' doesn't have any activation conditions. Should we just assume that this is a one-time thing?Using it for the "double active summons" clause is almost entirely useless because having 0 mana (which happens at the end of the duration) means you have to make Control checks on all of your active summons.Risking 30 slots worth of Fang's summons going full Dave, especially when it also depletes his mana barrier, leaving him with a paltry 20 HP, is utterly unthinkable in a battle of this magnitude.
>>31464192They outnumber us so we shouldn't throw something against them "because nothing is happening". Attrition is a bitch when you have less troops.
>>31464223>buy some timeWe plan and forces could benefit more if the battle is as short as possible.
>>31464192>>throw a little muscle at themthe summoners will have time to regen mana after they die
>>31464192Have some of the robutts and earth mages dig under them, as they get closer drop that shittakes care of the first wave of assholes
>>31464241This. We want to sucker them in, then kill them. If we hit them too hard now, they might advance more cautiously, which could lead to them discovering our plan.
>>31464192>continue the planned retreat to draw the armies in
>>31464192SM, why can't we just have our allies summon demons and stuff and then CONSUME those to power up?
>>31464192>>throw a little muscle at themjust to do a bit more damage.They're only summons so the summoners can just recoup while we draw them in.
>>31464273We don't want the first wave, we want as many waves as we can get. The majority of their forces have to be in our trap for this to work.
>>31464285this was proposed, SM didn't want us powerleveling
>>31464192Instead of having flesh golems cover the retreat, why not have them attempt to flank from the FAR left. That way the Kanians will believe that was the real flanking plan all along and deal with it while chasing down the others' who retreat.
>>31464285Because.
>>31464241it's just a bit stronger attrition.>>31464317stick to the overall strategy
>>31464319Because why?
>>31464192>>throw a little muscle at them
>>31464317We don't want their forces bulging anywhere but the center. If they drive a large part of their army to the outside they will easily outflank us with superior numbers.You do know the plan is to encircle their army fight?
>>31464192>continue the planned retreat to draw the armies inStick to the PLAAAAAAN
>>31464341Reasons.
I love how "Fang" it is to listen to our allies input and then just go ahead and do what we decided to do from the beginning. Like when Yi told Shadow not to antagonize Sandalphon, but did it himself anyways.
>All of Fang's spells are far more mana efficient than Shadow's, with the exception of Void Bomb Alt2 and maybe Suicide SquadI mean, he is motherfuckin' Yi Fang and all, but I didn't expect such insane raw damage.
>>31464390
>>31464390What reasons?Okay, I'll stop. I wasn't expecting you to let us eat our own summons anyways.
>>31464402>he is motherfuckin' Yi Fang>but I didn't expectWhy do you think he is Yi Fang, anon?
>>31464341don't be gettin up in my grill biatchI own deese muthfuckin streetsI own deese streetsmothahfukin king kong----------------The arguments for continuing as planned seem to be winning out. We'll do thatNEXT TIMEWhich will probably be Tuesday.
>>31464402He's a far more experienced mage than we are. We can probably expect increased mana efficiency as part of the Shadow Magic completion bonus.
>>31464465THE TIME WHEN YOU PLAYED AS YI FANG WAS THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE.BUT FOR YI FANG, IT WAS JUST TUESDAY.
>>31464390>>31464465Well. Looks like I just got rused.
>>31464473Except he really isn't. Erebus has several times Fang's lifespan of experience and while we may not be directly accessing it, it's reflected in our spells.
>>31464485https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbsHave a good night all
>>31464508Yes, EREBUS does. We have stated time and time again that while we were once Erebus, that's not who we are now.
>>31464508>Shadow Magic tree completion bonusWe already have more direct attack options than he does, and our Blink doesn't cost any mana.
>>31464526We're still piloting around his corpse. We have his magic, and his magic looks surprisingly weak in comparison to the new big fish.
>>31464547He's still here you know.
>>31464402Glass cannon though. If he runs out of mana, he is basically a sitting duck. It looks like almost any decently skilled character or someone who gets a lucky rolls vs fang without his mana shield will kill him.That's OK though. We have a bunch of stealth options available to us, and some tanky friends.
I really want to see Abby's character sheet now.
>>31464600Damn straight.
>>31464465So we already have knowledge of what Yi Fang's capable of; do we know what he already has pre-summoned?Like, he obviously didn't just go into battle while not maxed out on summons.Pre-summoning 15 Flesh Titans seems optimal from a pure damage output standpoint, and leaves a full mana pool available (because of no upkeep costs) for further re-maxing of troops and offensive magic. But that also leaves the entirety of his troops being incredibly vulnerable to fire magic, which is probably a bad idea against Kanian mage troops....And almost more importantly, it also means Fang would've needed piles upon piles of raw material. And we don't really want to get into how he gathered up that much raw meat and bone and sinew. Because we really, really wouldn't want to know.That said, 30 base attack with no upkeep, and only using up 1 summoning slot is absurdly efficient, and we should probably attempt to create one wherever we can if we come upon enough raw material in the course of battle.Being free of Shadow's previously established aversion to undead troops is kind of fun.
>>31464580That's like saying almost any decently skilled character or someone who gets a lucky rolls vs shadow without his regen will kill him. His mana shield IS his hp. Remember how much damage Abby did to us until we healed?
>>31464580He can regen 20 mana in a turn though
>>31464600Just Abby's? I want to see everybody's!
>>31464685Joey's needs to have "Spin an impressive yarn" on there somewhere.
>>31464703Well he can tell pretty good stories. Multiclassed into Bard probably.
>>31464685I'm guessing Sandalphon has anywhere from 300-400 mana. Melody might have 200-250.
>>31464703That's the only thing on his character sheet Anon.
>>31464757Sandals is NOT 5 times stronger.Sandals proly has 200-250Melody 150-200
>>31464762You forgot the trait that lets him pull hot atlantean bitches
>>31464775Not 5 times stronger, 5 times more mana.
>>31464775Hecate: ~400Sandalphon: ~250Melody: ~200Abby: ~150Fang: 140...Shadow: 76Ila: ~50-60
>>31464852uuuuhhhh, we're stronger than Hecate right now anon.
>>31464892not right now we aren't, not even fucking closeOnce we take our vacation in the void though, we'll dumpster pretty much anybody
>>31464892She's had three days to gather power.Fine.Hecate: ~300Also,Hemmelus: ~120
>>31464908Vacation is a funny word for STARSHIP ADVENTURES.
>>31464911I still place Hectae at like lla level right now.Three days ain't shit when you've been sealed for 700 years.
WATER TREE COMPLETED>Waterborne (unlisted passive bonus)- swim as fast as you can run. Water is no longer a barrier for you.- bonus water resistance- +10 mana reserves- regeneration starts on the same turn injuries were inflictedWater Resistance is now "Extreme"____________________________________________________________________________So water was the smallest magic tree. Whatchya think we'll get for completing the Shadow Magic tree?I'm thinking some combination of reduced costs on shadow magic, between 20 and 50 more mana, better mana regen, damage bonus to shadow magic, stealth bonus, more light magic resistance, or some other stuff. Maybe there will be some super spell that unlocks with it please don't fucking cost xp for every use.
>>31465055That makes the Spirit Tree very worthwhile to complete.
>>31465055Well for the Shadow Magic tree we need 92 XP. Assuming Flesh Golem and Heartstone Titan aren't part of the tree, that is.However they very much look like they are, so that totals to about 137 XP.
>>31465179Oh, woops. I didn't count Reinforce or what follows reinforce. So it's 142+ XP.
>>31465191Wait a sec, it's actually it's 145+ XP because of the Ghoul prereq to Flesh Golem.
>>31465179>>31465191You're acting like we don't get anything good until we shell out 142xp. Void Bomb, Suicide Squad, and Magic Power 6, make up the vast bulk of the cost and they are all insanely good on their own.
>>31465221>You're acting like we don't get anything good until we shell out 142xpErm, no? I'm just printing numbahs to the countdown of completion.
>>31465229Sorry, then. Hard to judge tone over the intertubes and all that.
>>31465113Wind+Earth Resistance costs much less, and it might even complete up to three trees.
>>31465286I'll second this next buying session.
>>31465286Wait, I'm retarded, never mind.
>>31465286>it might even complete up to three trees.That's complete bullshit. We already got the completion bonuses from the physical trees leading into it.
>>31465315>>31465326I'll still second it.For possible completion bonus
>>31465314Can't buy resistances mid-battle.Can't buy resistances for a character we're not playing.Hue hue hue.
>>31465326>>31465314See >>31465315.I still support Suicide Squad, though.>>31465343Won't happen until we get OI, Pure Darkness, and Vigil.
>>31465354Notice how the shades are different?they're probably different treesWhy else would he make them different colors?
>>31465370We'll have to ask him to clarify next time.
>>31465390Here's how that will go.>Oi, Essem, is the slightly dark grey tree its own tree and therefore have it's own completion bonus?>Can't tell you that Dave.
>>31465410Oh come on, it's an innocent question.
>>31464852Its not that cut-and-dried, we could have taken Metatron by ourselves. Lucifer is just next to him.
>Arbiter - Raise one of your Chosen to the status of Arbiter. Your Arbiter has strength and agility far surpassing normal human limitations, and is capable of warping and changing their shape, like you. Their link to Order becomes a bridge, granting them extraordinary magical powers. You can only have one Arbiter. >Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic. >Shadow Aura - Your Arbiter gains all of your Shadow Aura abilities (light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray) >The Voice - Your Arbiter can communicate with you at any time, over any distance, and speak to you and others through Impressions, if they could not already. >Suicide Squad - Your Arbiter can cast Suicide Squad. >Sage - Your Arbiter knows all the spells you know from a second magic tree. The tree, once picked, cannot be changed, but their knowledge updates with yours.
>>31465221I want to know what Magic Power 6 unlocks.
>>31465410Looks like darkest grey is a separate tree.>>31465479>(light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)
>>31465486>More mana>Better mana regen>Spells all get another passive boost.
>>31465479>(light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)Something notable about that is that our Arbiter doesn't get access to Vigil.Thank fucking god.
>>31465473We didn't even come close to lucy. we at him when we was like 90% deadand there was no way we could have taken Meta
>>31465534Unless they access a physical port at some point and know the password.No way Dave got that. Erebus too paranoid
>>31465479>(light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)So Earth + Wind resistance anyone?
>>31465544No, we could have taken Meta. It was probably a 40/60 chance in his favor, though.Lucy, at our level of power then, was impossible.
>>31465544We did most of the damage and spend part of our efforts protecting our allies. We also were short on mana at the beginning of the fight. We could have taken him out fine.
OKAY.Assuming we get consistently good rolls I know, I know who can we take on with a reasonable chance of winning?
>>31465637With consistently good rolls? Absolutely anyone in the settings. One on one. Keep in mind when you say "good rolls" I'm assuming every one of our rolls passes the DC, AND an idealized combat situation where we don't have to face extra threats.
>>3146556630/70 in his favor at best.He stomped us when we had allies and debuffs out the ass.We had crazy debuffs due to Hemmelus.
>>31465566Lucy was flashy as fuck but our fight in the airship demonstrated how vulnerable he was to mind crush. Everyone below Yi Fang is within our power to take out if we were to fight smart and play our strengths against their weakness.
>>31465656>Keep in mind when you say "good rolls" I'm assuming every one of our rolls passes the DCYes to this>AND an idealized combat situation where we don't have to face extra threats.No to this, aside from full mana and Normal shards.>>31465679Dude, we did by far the most damage to Meta. And if we hadn't fucked up our CoD and Hammer rolls, we might have killed him when we punched his jaw off.
>>31465698>No to this, aside from full mana and Normal shards.Never mind, that doesn't make sense. Open field, one-on-one.
>>31465656false>>31465637a generic demon lord would be our max.Not including people like fag with combat capabilitys like his
You all forget that now we have eclipse and Void Ring. Hell, a single Ray of Darkness put a hole in Raziel.
>>31465732Raziel was 8th Highest, which is scrub level compared to what we are now. We'd probably wreck Anahita or Raphael one-on-one.
>>31465698It was also said several time that if it weren't for hemmeluses shielding that we wouldn't last more than a few seconds under his passive attack.And that wasn't even the blood magic.
>>31465731No, that's true. If we can pass absolutely every DC that gets thrown at as with multiple and consistent 100s in the top three in a one on one fight then we can probably face anyone with odds so absurdly stacked in our favor. Except probably Dave.That's why the original question is so absurd, it's asking how well we would do if we couldn't fail dice DCs.
>>31465754Where?
>>31465732While there was an eclipse.
>>31465763or sandalsor that stronk demon lord>>31465765during the fight
>>31465763No, I meant if our rolls would hit the DC exactly.>>31465781Can I get the text?
>>31465731Plague Demon Lord and Regeneration Demon Lord could be particularly "easy" targets for us compare to the rest. I think we could take the berserk if we use Titanic in conjunction to Retribution and Hammer. >>31465766Yes, we have both now.
>>31465793>I meant if our rolls would hit the DC exactly.And that's what that means. Hitting the DC exactly means you cannot fail the DC, you've met it. If that DC happens to be 100, you meet it because "you've hit teh DC exactly." You silly optillarian.
>>31465814And that's not what you said. Your scenario assumes supercrits every time.
>>31465835The scenario assumes we pass any required DC, the example was used in case the required DC was several or more supercrits.That's what you get when you can "hit the DC exactly," but also happen to need ridiculously good rolls to hit what is needed for a success.
>You silly optillarianA what?
>>31465858>implying a DC is ever going to require supercritsAnyways, it seems that "always" is too hard to analyze. We succeed at 3 out of every 4 rolls which is probably a little better than our current record.
>>31465893How is always too hard to analyze? Always means always. Forever. Never otherwise for an instant.Succeeding at 3 out of every 4 rolls is much more vague, because the important of a roll is determined by the process of the combat that led up to that point and what is actually being rolled for. Whether its using a carefully wedged advantage, or jumping the gun on a consumption.
>Greater wisptfw we will never summon anything strongwhy are you rubbing it in sm
>>31465975We really need to get on with eating more people, I feel bad about it but Aby had the right idea with the room full angels.
>>31465926Perhaps I should clarify."Always" being able to succeed a DC means that we never get hit unless we have to shield something, we always hit with at least normal damage, and (most importantly) we always manage to consume, if we choose to do so.My intention in asking the original question was to determine Shadow's power level. Having us always succeed rolls defeats the purpose of that, because we can punch well above our weight class in doing so.Ugh. One last try. Every roll is 60.
>>31465793I'm busy, gimme like 30minOr you could look yourself
>>31466005Too many variables.Your question has become even more moot because instead of having a baseline for the essential mechanic you're including ancillary factors into things, even worse than that is the only person who can answer the form of the question "Who can we face if we roll 60s all the time?" with a realistic level of insight isn't going to.
>>31466005all our rolls are 60?then we probably won't progress at all and the quest gets delayed until the dice rolling system gets fixed
>>31466005>My intention in asking the original question was to determine Shadow's power level.Between Abby & Melody. Who are both variables between the first Demon Lord and Sandalphon. There ya go. The method you're trying to get an answer for the question flat out doesn't work.
>>31466110That chart only determines raw magical potential, not combat prowess, spell power, or other stats.
>>31466116Even more reasons why trying to determine shadows power level that way is a waste of effort.
>>31466051>>31466126Alright then. I bow to your wisdom, o fellow anon.
>>31466116but didn't you asked for shadows power levelthats what you asked for >>31466005?
>>31466139Magical potential =/= true power level.Things like combat prowess, physical strength, endurance, special abilities, spell versatility, spell power all factor into a character's total power level.
>>31466178Personally I think we should summon Dave and consume him to unlock our full power level.
