QM's Twitter: https://twitter.com/TinyShepherdQstFirst Thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/31370008/Second Thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/31455476/You are Anthony Grant, or you were. Now you are Ambrosius, a cleric in a cart traveling to Big Apple. A few hours ago, when this all began things, looked like they were going so well. You had a cart, a plan, and a bag full of potions. Now the monotony of the Mojave desert landscape is beginning to tear at your mind. Bushes, road, and sandy dirt. Every so often you saw a tree. Despite the rarity, the trees did little to rekindle your excitement. With Canis driving now, you have the luxury of turning around. When you do, you see everyone else looking just as bored as you do. Certainly there is something to do, but what?Your line of thought is broken by Canis asking, “Alright. I'm hungry. Hand me some food.” He holds his hand out to you, but keeps his eyes on the road. You open your inventory only to realize the horrible truth that you completely forgot to get food.
>>31525525Couple things that I thought about after the second thread.Check how much the gate lever went down, depending on the amount we may not need to go to the south.Check with other guild memebers/friends that have people on their friend list who are in the south american server so that we can make sure that we can coordinate the reactivation of the gates.Figure out if party/guild/raid telepathy works between servers, just because friend telepathy doesn't work over servers does not exclude other forms.Oh, by the way, does anyone else think that pretty soon we will have some sort of border town start up between the North and South American servers?
What will happen? Will you starve to death? Can you starve to death?You start to panic. How could you tell Canis that you forgot the food!?That is when Lilac pulls a loaf of bread out of her bag and places it into Canis' extended palm. The Wolf-Hair then begins to munch on the bread. “Not much of a taste” he comments.You look stare at Lilac for a short while.She returns your gaze. “Want some too?”You can't think of anything else to do so you nod.She hands you a loaf of bread. You tear a piece off and pop it in your mouth. There doesn't seem to be any taste at all, just a slight texture. It is better than nothing, is what you tell yourself, but looking down at the bread, you quickly lose your appetite.Minutes pass and the tyrannical boredom returns. You need to do something...[ ] Talk about yourself.[ ] Try to start a conversation with Lilac[ ] Try to start a conversation with Trove[ ] Try to start a conversation with Judicature[ ] Try to start a conversation with Takeshi
>>31525592>[X]Try to start a conversation with Lilac.She seems to know what she's doing.
>>31525592>[ ] Try to start a conversation with TakeshiTry to make him see the error of his weeaboo faggotry
>>31525592[X] Try to start a conversation with Takeshi"How's it feel to be the emergency rations mah boy?"
>>31525592>[ ] Try to start a conversation with LilacI get the feeling she might end up being the brains of this operation.
Well now, it looks like someone's gotten themselves trapped in the database. I figured I'd swing by and give you some important advice since dying can be a nasty habit to break:http://lh.oksub.me/wiki/Clerichttp://log-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/Log_Horizon_WikiDon't metagame too hard now. Bye, bye!
>>31525868>>31525771>>31525665>>31525649Calling due to time.Both options are tied.1) Lilac2) Takeshi
Rolled 2>>31526031How I roll dice?
>>31526025Thanks Gin-taichou
>>31526031So we force them to talk to each other!
>>31526025>Gin trapped in database waiting for his quest to updateI can dig it.
>>31526080You're quite welcome... eyes on the road now. You never know what might... spring up.
So I got a question.Which of us, if any, have resurrection spells right now?This might be important, because the people with res capability must be kept alive at all costs.
>>31526025>Melee Weapon(s) Staves, Swords, Blunt Weapons, Magical Tools >Magical ToolsYes this will work just fine.
>>31526379I don't think anyone does; but if anyone did, it would likely be us.
>>31526379The most likely candidate would be the protag since he's a cleric.
>>31526399I assume we will be eating souls quite soon then.
Shit I've missed a Log Horizon Quest?Fuuccckkkkk..... I'm a reading up on this ASAP. I'm a sucker for LH.
>>31525525The Mojave is pretty boring huh?
>>31526485There's another one too.
>>31526534Archive diggin' time. Wish I lurked /tg/ a little more or else I wouldnt have missed this.
>>31526602http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=log+horizon
>>31526025>There's a Holy Pocket Sand attackCleric best class, holy shit.
>>31526070[+1 Takeshi Knowledge][-1 Sanity]"So, Takeshi..." Is all you can say before the assassin jumps to his feet, his bamboo hat getting a half second of air."I am a humble samurai with no home!" He announces, "A ronin: The most justified of all the samurai, revered for their combat ability and sense of Justice!"You thought about pointing out he mentioned justice twice, but you decide not to."With my samurai sword in hand, I shall wander here and there! Hither, thither, and yon! I will correct all that is wrong, and punish the wicked!"You can feel yourself getting dumber with each word."Never again will people be forced to toil under the yoke horrible ... stuff!"Each of his words ripped at your brain. It was like he exuded some kind of anti-intelligence. No man could be this stupid, right? He must be joking, surely."When I come to town, there will be no more suffering and all evil with be killed by my blade! Anyone who stands in my way is no different than the evil I hunt, so don't get in my way!"There is no God here. Only the horrid wailing of the mad and the infinite expanse of suffering."The samurai code tells us that we must know our enemy to know ourselves, and there is no greater knowledge of oneself than our taste!"This must be what going mad feels like."That is why we must eat everything we kill!"You can't take this anymore. You must change the subject or you will die of brain damage. "So, why did you join us?" You ask, left eye twitching, foam forming in your mouth."I was kicked out of the city!" He announces, "Being exiled is the first step in becoming a ronin!"You hold your head in your hands. There was madness in talking, and madness in not talking. There has to be something better to do.That is when you spot a giant cactus walking around on the road. It meanders left and right, but still travels down the path towards you.[ ] Engage in combat. End the madness.[ ] Avoid combat, change the subject of conversation.
>>31526638Dale Gribble's a cleric...I don't even know what to think about that
>>31526782>[x] Engage in combat. End the madness.We gotta GIT GUD
>>31526782START A FIGHT WITH THE CACTUSFuck fauna and flora. What have they ever done for us?
>>31526782>[-1 Sanity]Sanity is for the weak![X] Engage in combat. End the madness.Let's see the combat in practice.
>>31526782[x] Engage the shit out of it
>>31526782>[ ] Engage in combat. End the madness.Gotta git gud eventually, may as well get it over with sooner rather than later. Go get em Leeroy.
>-1 sanityI don't think our character had any of that to begin with.
>>31526782Takeshi- look! An enemy of justice! Go forth, for truth, liberty, and shutting the hell up before you make me any dumber!
>>31526975>>31526917>>31526889>>31526888>>31526841[+1 Combat Expertise][+1 Overly Complex Fighting Mechanic]Okay, everyone. I made a combat system, but I have no idea how it will work on tg. This is a flow chart on how these things will work. For the sake of simplicity we will skip the Formation Stage for this fight.Things will look really complicated, so I'll talk everyone through everything for this fight. If this system becomes a disaster I'll just scrap it.
>>31527101Ok so... what now?
>>31527101So we can't really change what we're doing after the formation stage? Or does the rolling stage include choosing what action we do?
>>31527101That combat system looks like it will make battles take way too long boss. How about you have people automatically drink potions as a free action and without needing to be asked or told.
>>31527101This is what a battlefield looks like. You'll notice that each card does something on a roll of 1-12. That's because you are going to be rolling a 1d12 to determine what happens. The roll counts for both the Party Members and the Enemy, so knowing what squares the enemy attacks on what roll is important.
>>31527226Okay, so, now I need three people to roll 1d12 and we'll continue from there. Narrative being written in a moment.
Rolled 4>>31527267this seems a bit complex... your cards are nice though.
Rolled 11>>31527267nat 1 inc? It is pretty complicated.
Rolled 3>>31527267
Rolled 6>>31527267I wouldn't say complex, but I'm afraid if there are too many steps the battles will drag out. Like the original system though with the cards.
>>31527293>>31527324>>31527332Pretty solid start.Just having the monster with abilities as a card and us having a set of cards and a total health and armor might be a better idea.Or just going completely free form like a lot of other quests.
>>31527267Canis begins to veer off the road to avoid the creature, but you shake your head. "No." You say, "We must end the madness."He looks at you with a bit of concern in his eyes.You smile, "If we don't fight it, we'll all die of madness."Somewhere in the background Takeshi continued to rant about the samurai code and how it pertains to cannibalism and the heart of the cards.Canis drives the cart forward. You laugh hysterically and yell "Combat's starting! Everyone get ready!"=========================>>31527293First roll is a 4, which is the Cactus Man attacking the Front Center slot (Trove) for 4 damage, but due to Trove's armor, the damage is reduced to 1. The 4 also activates Judicature's Back Seat Tank ability. The target is already Trove so that doesn't change anything, but does an additional 2 damage. With the 6 damage from the basic attacks, this brings the damage up to 8.
>>31527332>>31527367I'm pretty impressed that you managed to roll the same on two different dice. Of different sizes none the less.
>>31527444The dice gods are real my friend. And they watch.
>>31527430I know we're in tutorial mode, but you might want to try and be a little more descriptive with your combat scenarios so they don't become a chore.
>>31527293>>31527324>>31527335Everyone leaps out of the cart and falls into formation almost naturally. Trove pulls out a flintlock and fires upon the beast, taunting it. In response, Judicature unleashes a barrage of knives. You didn't even know there was a ranged spec for duelist.The Cactus Man begins shaking back and forth. "Everyone get back!" Lilac commands. Since when did she become party leader?"I'm over here, you bilge rat!" Trove yells out, "Yarr harr!" With another shot from his pistol, the storm of needles goes raining on Trove, who had run far from the group. Trove simply smiled as all the tiny bits of damage bounced off of his armor.The cactus went running up to the Pirate, unleashing a backhanded slap upon him. "Is that all you go, you powder monkey!?" Very minimal damage to the pirate.With the creature distracted, Lilac raises her staff to the sky. "THUNDER BOLT!" A decent amount of damage. Quite amazing damage for someone 23 levels under.=============Another 3 rolls, please.
Rolled 2>>31527694Lilac is much more competent than us.
Rolled 5>>31527694C'mon dice gods.
Rolled 11>>31527694
>>31527725>>31527732>>31527744Looks like we might make it without anyone dieing.
>>31527694The green monster continues to slam its fist into the heavy metal pirate. "Yarr! Your fists do less than scurvy in a bottle of rum!""Scurvy is a vitamin deficiency," Lilac explains, "Not an infection. It cannot-""Someone hit him!" Canis shouts, "I'm buffin' damage!">>31527732"Arr! That's a bad idea! I'm still reloadin' me gun!" Trove comments, "I can't be doin' nothin while I'm-""BANZAAAAAAAI!" Takeshi yells, holding his massive no-dachi above his head, "EXECUTE!" The blade comes down, the amount of damage it does is amazing, but the fact that the creature then turns to Takeshi is less amazing.It slaps him across the face, dealing its own massive damage.>>31527744The cactus then begins to shake back and forth again. "Yarr! Me taunt's still on cooldown!" The needles go everywhere. The needles can't pierce your armor, but everyone else is being pelted with damage. Judicature shoves Lilac out of the area of the attack, taking the damage for her.You smack the Cactus Man one last time and it slams into the ground before bursting into bubbles, gold, a mana potion, and a cactus fruit.Brilliant light surrounds Lilac. For that single fight she seems to have leveled twice.
So seriously should we be worried about betrayal? Because I'm all for clubbing these people with a lever.
>>31528027Inspect Cactus Fruit. Maybe food that comes from mobs isn't as bad.
>>31528055Maybe we should take them out now so they can;t betray us latter.
>>31528055Betrayal? Because Lilac took initiative? Don't be silly, if she runs the day to day drudgery, we can do more mad lever science.
>>31528120We need to strike them down now while their power is weak. Who knows which one will betray us first?
Was it intentional to have 8 do nothing while 9 has two different attacks tied to it?
>>31528120Ugh, too many drinks. Sorry.>>31528027We should definitely try to eat that fruit. I read somewhere you gain a creatures power by eating it's heart. Or maybe that was that book about cannibalism..
>>31528202Lets have Takeshi do it.He was all into that sort of thing before the fight.
>>31528027Damn, I liked how that ended up working out. How was that from your end OP?
>>31528055Of course.>>31528027With combat over, Canis begins bandaging people up. "Gotta raise my subclass somehow." He comments. You look to the horizon. The sun has begun setting, painting the sky a lovely orange. Now is probably the time to rest."We should make camp here." Lilac says to you."I was just thinking that." You are not sure if you should dislike this girl or not. "Alright, let's set up camp before it gets dark!" You announce to the group.The group begins to pull tents out of their inventories, but you, on the other hand, take the time to look over the cactus fruit. You don't know the taste of a cactus fruit, not that is matters, everything tastes like nothing now.Takeshi comes barreling up to you. "I must consume the flesh of the enemy to gain its strength!" He extends his hand out.[ ] Eat the fruit in front of him.[ ] Hand him the fruit.
>>31528267[X] Feed him the fruit.Forcefully cram it down his throat.
>>31528267I'm so torn, both options would probably poke him pretty hard...
>>31528267[X] Eat the fruit in front of him.Make mocking noises of enjoyment as you do so, then flex afterwards.
>>31528294>[X] Feed him the fruit.>Forcefully cram it down his throat.This, inspect the item to see if it does anything stat-wise
>>31528267Can we hand him half?
>>31528267[x] Shove it down his throat
>>31528294this one
>>31528267If there is only 1 fruit, give him it. if more than 1, give him only 1.
>>31528267>hand him the fruitGUYSGUYS!It'll get him to shut up for a few seconds.
>>31528267>[ ] Eat the fruit in front of him
>>31528194That was a typo. Takeshi's Horrid Slice is supposed to work on an 8, not a 9. However, if we keep this system, as characters level up and get more abilities, there will be some abilities that overlap and combine into combo attacks. >>31528238I think I need to work on my descriptions, but the system feels okay for now.
>>31528294>>31528329>>31528342>>31528344>>31528353>>31528357[+1 Reputation with Takeshi][+1 Knowledge]
>>31528374Combat doesn't seem to be your writing specialty; but collecting cards and building teams seems like an interesting concept for a quest provided we can get a good stable going.Also love the designs of the cards even though they're not very DATABASE accurate.
I can't be the only one that sees Takeshi and thinks Take-a-shitty
Ok; so bets for betrayer? The Mage and the Morning Star are the obvious choices (and also hinted at earlier in the week from Shepherds combat mechanic tweet)
>>31528507You hand Takeshi the fruit. He opens his mouth and brings it part way inside when he suddenly stop. He holds the fruit and looks at it, then looks at you. He flings it up in the air, and with one mighty slice, cuts it in two, and sheaths his sword in one fluid motion. He grabs both halves and hands you one. You take it."This way, we'll both grow stronger." He says with a thumbs up. You look down at your half and realize your 'half' is quite smaller. Takeshi shoves his share in his mouth and gives you a "Mmmmm!"You raise an eyebrow. He is trolling. This has confirmed it. This fruit tastes like nothing and he is messing with you. He motions for you to eat.With a sigh you put it in your mouth. It is sweet and watery, almost like a watermelon. It's actually quite good, you decide. "Mmm!" You comment."Mmm mmm, mmm?" Takeshi responds."Mmmm..." You nod in agreement.It suddenly dawns on you that this has taste."Holy shit!" You exclaim, "I can taste this!""What?" Canis calls from the cart."Cactus fruit has taste!" You yell to him."Like... taste taste?" He calls back, "Not fake taste?""Nah! Real taste!""Let's go farm up some cactuses!"The pirate chimes in, "Yar har! Let's turn their fruit into grog!""Stop!" Lilac announces, "Wandering this zone at night is a bad idea! We should just stay in camp!" A pause, "Also, it's cacti."The sun was almost gone, but that fruit had TASTE![ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."[ ] "Who the hell made you leader!?"[ ] Other
>>31528760It's Takeshi. The dude advocate the Kali Ma school of learning, so it's obvious we'll be next on his list.
>>31528874>[ ] "Who the hell made you leader!?"
>>31528874Take Takeshi and Canis and farm those Cactuses through creative kiting.
>>31528874>[ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."I don't want to get eaten by the chupacabra.
>>31528874"DONT CARE, HATE TASTELESS BREAD"
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>>31528874>[x] "Who the hell made you leader!?"Bitchiness is a good trait!
>>31528874>[ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."But FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, we're farmin some cacti.
>>31528874>[ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."
We don't need sleep do we? There is work to be done.
>>31528874>[ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."What's in this zone at night, Lilac? WHAT'S IN THE ZONE?And on a related note, anyone else get the feeling that her main is probably level 90 and she was just unlucky enough to be leveling an alt when the databasing hit?
>>31529027If that's the case, her main is running around somewhere. Like Roe2.
>>31529027Have you seen her subclass skill? She maxed out Blacksmith. This was probably her production/merchant/bank character.
>>31528874HOW dangerous?>>31528877No that's too obvious. We don't suspect him nad therefore he's more of a suspect. Meanwhile the other two ARE suspicious... so they're obvious. Too obvious. So obvious we don't suspect them therefor they become suspects because it's so obvious and there's no way it could be them.Get it?
>>31529027Yeah, it's pretty clear it's her smithing alt.
>>31529086Oh holy shit I didn't even notice that.
>>31529027>>31528973>>31528962>>31528935Things are becoming slow. Dropping vote requirement to 4 votes for now.[+1 Understanding][+1 Lore Knowledge]
>>31529119Don't worry; quests take a while to build hype
>>31528874>[ ] "Yeah, that makes sense."Make plans for cacti roundup tomorrow.Note that food might be required for living now that items have a taste descriptor attached.
>>31529086Good catch. Didn't even think of that and this is exactly what I did in WoW to help level my engineering and jewelcrafting.
Semi-off topic, but does anyone know if there has been a translation of book 7 anywhere? I need it.
>>31529119I'm just lurking here, but I'll vote the next time around.
>>31529174https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Log_Horizon#Volume_7:_Gold_of_the_Kunie_.28Kunie_no_Ougon.2C_.E4.BE.9B.E8.B4.84.E3.81.AE.E9.BB.84.E9.87.91.29Doesn't look like it.
>>31529174I really need to follow this series closer. I did not know they had books.Hell the more I hear about this series the more it sounds like a competent Sword Art Online.
>>31529232well its a light novel series just like SAO has. It's what the manga and anime are based on.
>>31529232In the vaguest sense, yes, but the two are fundamentally different in theme.
>>31529232It's more Spice and Wolf than SAO, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.Go into it expecting WORDS WORDS WORDS and you'll be fine.
>>31529232SAO got really fucking creepy as it went on and eventually this combined with the shitty story made me stop watching it
>>31529338the entire series was an exercise in DEEP HURTING.Every episode you don't think it could get any worse, but it somehow DOES against all odds. It's uncanny.>>31529328How large are the word walls we're talking? The show's pretty turn about already.
>>31529232>>31529294and the author for Log Horizon also wrote Maoyuu Maou Yuusha, so the series looks like it should be good for the foreseeable future
>>31529411I was talking about the anime, compared to what people seem to expect going in.Sorry, should've clarified.
>>31529411>>31529338Don't start this. This is /tg/, not /a/, and this isn't even a SAO thread.>>31529418when I first found that out, I was not surprised at all.
>>31529119"Yeah. That makes sense." You state. You were not sure WHY it made sense, but you trusted Lilac's knowledge of things and you had no reason to doubt her."So, for those that don't know, what happens in this zone during the night?" You ask, "I would explain, but I'd probably forget most of the details.""He doesn't know!" Canis yells out. "I don't either!"Your pride is a bit wounded by your friend, but you know he didn't mean anything by it."Inside all of the zones in the Mojave territory, when night falls Coyote spawns in one of the zones randomly." Lilac explains.You nod slowly. "And coyotes are tough?""Coyote is a character from the lore." Lilac continues, "When the races were first made, Coyote was in charge of protecting the people of the Mojave area. It is implied that the mission was a set up because when the first man died of old age, Coyote was blamed and was told that he must steal fire from the sun in order to be forgiven. By the time Coyote returned..." "So he spawns and then what happens?" You cut her off.She stops. "He's twenty levels above cap and counts as a raid level creature."[ ] Go back to setting up camp.[ ] "So, back to the story."
>>31529506[X] "So, back to the story."This sounds cool. Maybe we can shove a lever into it.
>>31529446I actually enjoy the psychobabble of shows like Log Horizon and Stand Alone Complex.The show would be a bit bad if it was just battle battle battle.>>31529491The comparisons are inevitable. Just let it die down.>>31529506OH SHIT NATIVE AMERICAN LORE! Where Lizard at?
>>31529506Stick false levers into desert. Maybe the gears are compatible with sand.
>>31529506[x] "So, back to the story."
>>31529506>[ ] "So, back to the story."Oh... good thing we took her advice. That would have been both embarrassing and horrifying if we had run into the wandering raidboss.
>>31529506>[X] "So, back to the story."
>>31529506>[ ] "So, back to the story."
>>31529506[X] "So, back to the story."Knowledge can only help. Besides, when we eventually run into him and he fucks us deep, we can talk about his history.
>>31529506Ok; ghost story, powerful monster... no way we're NOT fighting this thing tonight or the next quest.
>>31529602>>31529601>>31529588>>31529581>>31529566>>31529535[+1 Lore][+1 Reputation with Lilac]
>>31529602>she gives us a MGS style flashback when we beat it>Ambrosius randomly slapping the air>"What are you doing?">"Trying to skip this codec call so we can loot it."
So what if Lilac wants to go to a hub city to switch to her main?
>>31529628>[+1 Reputation with Lilac]Yay, let's try to not piss off the non-retards of our group.
>Pirate sees fruit>First instinct is to ferment it and drink itBased
>>31529681Switching characters isn't something you can do anymore. She's stuck is scrubsville.Wait... alts can become sentient too. What if Lilac IS the alt?
>>31529681She can't, everyone is stuck on the character that they were playing at the time of the apocalypse/catastrophe.
>>31529773>>31529774What if she doesn't know that?What if there's some spell or ability set up in Big Apple that can character swap without a log out?
>>31529773That must be hell. Knowing that your body is nothing but a tool would be horrifying.
>>31529813At least she gets EXP pots until level 30.
>>31529901Is there a chemist or apothecary to distill or improve EXP pots?
>>31529931Nope. Not a one.
>>31529961so what subclass falls under chemist or apothecary? Or is this a unique class that will require jumping more hoops to create?
>>31529931Don't think so. They're something that only pre-30 players get to help them level faster early on, and I think they're like the True Levers in that there isn't any (known) way to duplicate them. Of course you could always kidnap a bunch of scrubs and force them to give you their EXP pots every day... but that would be wrong and Shiroe would come beat you up for it.
Oh fuck. I just remembered what was going down in Big Apple shortly after the Catastrophe.
>>31529988The subclasses aren't defined much; but I'd think Alchemist could do it.Provided they're not trying to kill off continents in order to eat god.
>>31530000>>31530043I'm looking at the wiki, and it looks like you'd need Alchemist AND Pharmacist. Alchemist will study the "chemicals" that make up an EXP pot, and identify ingredients with similar properties, while the Pharmacist mixes and matches the ingredients and maybe other potions to create something with a similar effect.
>>31530093That all sounds like alchemist territory.also these quest update waits are torture.
>>31529628"Sorry." You say, "Please, continue the story."She looks a bit surprised by your request, but not entirely upset by it."The reason Coyote was told to steal the fire from the sun was to light the funeral pyre of First Man, but by taking the fire from the Sun, the world was plunged into darkness. When Coyote returned, Fly had already instructed the people on how to make fire from rubbing sticks together. The funeral pyre was already lit, and the Gods decreed that Coyote had failed again. Coyote, in his rage, threw the first flame, making the sun race across the sky." She looks to you, "Are you still listening."You nod, "Yeah! Keep going!""Coyote then tried to reach the pyre, but the other animals blocked him under instruction from the gods. Coyote ran around the ring they had made, over and over and over again until he finally leaped over Badger, the smallest animal. He put his hand into the pyre and ripped the heart of the First Man out before running away into the wilderness.""So..." You ask, "Why does he attack people.""No one really knows. There are some fan theories that say he grew jealous and angry at people because the gods loved them but not him. Others say the heart of the First Man corrupted him into a murderous creature."You think for a moment, "What do you believe?"Lilac pulls a teacup out of her bag and begins sipping it. She mumbles something behind her cup, but you didn't hear it."What was that?" You ask.She looks away from you and mumbles again."Still didn't hear you.""That Coyote and the First Man" mumble mumble mumble, "And not Coyote is angry at the world."You open your mouth to question once again, but then you get a call, from your brother no less.[cont] Sorry for this is taking so long.
>>31530169Take as much time as you need to craft a good story.
>>31530169I suggest we sacrifice the female party member to be Coyote's Bride in case he attacks.
>>31530169"Hello?" You answer."Food has no taste!" He tells you."Cactus fruit does.""It does!?""Yeah. I just had some. It's pretty good.""Can you send me some?""No. I can't. I'm in the middle of the desert.""What are you doing there?""Heading to Big Apple. Like I said I was going to.""Oh yeaaaaah!""Yeah." Your respond in not so nice a tone. You pause for a while and then asked, "So, is that all you wanted to tell me?""Oh! No, so, get this, right? You listening?""Yes. I'm listening.""The Man in Black, right? He's missing.""I don't even know who the Man in Black is."Both your brother and Lilac erupt into words. You can't keep either of their words straight. It's just a stream of lore and the word library over and over again."Everyone stop!" You shout.[ ] "You! Phone-you! Tell me your story!"[ ] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"
>>31530303>You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!Lilac is now source of our lore.
>>31530303>[ ] "You! Phone-you! Tell me your story!"
>>31530303>[ ] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"She IS ou resident lore-smith
>>31530303>[ ] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"Lilac has been consistently more coherent when it comes to saying words about stuff. Let her tell us why we should care.
>>31530303>You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!Seconding Lilac being source of lore
>>31530303>[X] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"Yes, lore is good
>>31530303>[ ] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"Lilac is a pretty cool person.
Oh god please PLEASE let this be a high fantasy version of MIB where they're demon hunters instead.
>>31530333>>31530340>>31530346>>31530349>>31530367>>31530370[+1 Lore]
>>31530303>[X] "You! Phone-you! Tell me your story!"Here come the... you know the rest...Really though that's probably important.>>31530294>Implying Coyote doesn't only want to be First Man's bride
>>31530303[X] "You! Not-phone-you! Tell me your story!"Let's make it a point to not trust our whore of a younger brother with important world-building facts.
>>31530412Too late, and now we know what started the "6.01 Food Riots"
>>31530412He DID blow us off to not-raid after all.,
>>31530412I wonder if he's switched his armor yet.We should ask him before we hang up.
Betcha that the ManIB is the American Knights of Imunto or whatever warrior god landers are called.
I bet Lilac is a guy. Or maybe I'm the only one that always plays the opposite gender on my alts.
>>31530467It's Knights of Izumo.That was my first thought too, but if the US equivalent has gone missing on day 2 then shit has already gotten way too real considering what caused them to go missing in canon.
>>31530592Wait, where did you find out what happened to them. One of the Books?
>>31530587Didn't Akatsuki have her girly voice even when she was in a dude's body at the start of the show? Seems like your voice is the same as your real one after the Catastrophe.
>>31530587Unlikely we would be able to notice that her voice doesn't match her character.
>>31530587I usually play guys because if I'm going to look at somethings backside for hours on end it may as well be appealing to me.
>>31530587>>31530661The LN first mentions voices changing to match sex at the same time Shiroe looks into flavor texts, I think at the beginning of the libra festival.
>>31530661Aye, this is correct.
>>31530661Yes, though there are some reports that voices and personalities slowly start to shift to match the bodies more.
>>31530668He could have a girly voice. You won't stop my paranoia that easily.
>>31530405"You!" You announce."Me?" Both respond."Not-phone-you! Give me your story!"Lilac inhales and begins to explain, "The Man In Black is a character that is the leader of the organization known as the Luxians. They are best described as being like the Illuminati, but different. They were founded by a mysterious character who is called 'the Man In Black,' although in the lore he is simply referred to as a man in black clothing. He is more or less responsible for the majority of events that happen in the north eastern region of the US server. He can be found in game is the Grand Library in Big Apple, but only after going through several steps, however one cannot interact with him. It is theorized that he is the 'final boss,' as it were, of the East Coast.""Okay. Sounds terrifying. Phone-you! Go!""Okay, so the Man In Black is like Cthulhu if he ran the Illuminati. He controls these guys called the Luxians who do this crazy, 'If we can control the market, we can blah blah blah' kinda shit. Pretty much every Halloween they jack up the prices and we run around undoing his stupid ass plan, then he appears, kills everyone and disappears. He's supposed to be able to plan for anything but Adventurers just keep kicking his shit in, so I'm not that worried. Also, when he kills you you don't lose any xp, so it's like a free warp out of the instance. Anyway, so there I am, touching all the books, going up the stairs backwards and everything, but when I look through the window he's not there. Think they finally gave him his own raid or something? They probably did cause the Halloween events were getting really repetitive.""Okay, well, that's less terrifying.""Oh, so..." Your brother goes on, "Have you met my guild leader?""Can't say I have." You respond."Do... do you want to?""Nope!" You hang up on your brother. He's been trying to get you to join his guild for a while now. You're not falling for any of his tricks.[cont]
>>31530884Oh shit. Oh FUCK. That's bad. That's reaaaaaaally bad.
>>31530884What if Tommy Lee Jones was the Slenderman?And also Aizen?
>>31531009Why? You don't lose XP so he should be able to kill as much as he likes with no ill effects.
Of corse you don't lose any XP... he takes something else from you...Knowledge IS power after all...
This guy is either going to be Cobra Commander tier or evil Shiroe tier.
>>31531052Yeah... you didn't lose XP back when he was just a super raidboss stuck inside his instance.Let me tell you an interesting fact though: Raid bosses become intelligent, and aren't stuck in their dungeons anymore. He's now actually free to take over the world.
>>31531052He's an Economist of course he's dangerous.
>>31531175>What if Arthas... was free roaming?
>>31530884Night falls and it is time to go to sleep, but as you lay in your tent, looking at the fiber covering you, you can't seem to fall asleep. So much has happened and you just can't seem to calm down. Cthulhu-Illuminati. Coyote heart thieving. This world felt very dangerous suddenly.You toss and turn in your sleeping back, but no position feels good. You get up and leave your tent. Trove and Canis had gone off to drink grog and sing sea shanties. From the flame in the distance and the sound of them singing, you assume that they are over there at a second camp fire.You also hear another voice singing, somewhere in the distance. The singing is not very good, but you see a shadowy figure off in the distance in the other direction. From the look of the figure and the sound of the voice, you realize this shadowy person is none other than Judicature.[ ] Go sing sea shanties with Canis and Trove.[ ] Go listen to Judicature.[ ] Other
>>31531175So you're saying he gives normal deaths now. Okay. Not seeing why he should be feared more than that cactus dude if the cactus dude was a scary planner guy.Or why he's guaranteed to be an enemy, for that matter.
>>31530884>Big badass supervillain just gained sentienceTIME TO GRIND OUR LIVES AWAY IN FEAR
>>31531217[X] Go sing sea shanties with Canis and Trove.Do not speak to the Betrayer. Do not fraternize with the Betrayer.
>>31531217[x] SHADDUP, the lot of you! You trying to attract monsters? Get to sleep.
>>31531217>[X] Go listen to Judicature.
>>31531217>[X] Go sing sea shanties with Canis and TroveAt least one is a bard
>>31531217>initiate a thought experiment with ourselves on how this world has changed and how deep the changes run and how engineering can effect the world.>Consider praying to a made up machine god for advice to have a good laugh.
>>31531217>[ ] Go listen to Judicature.
>>31531217>[x] Go sing sea shanties with Canis and Trove.
>>31531260Isn't a Betrayer more likely to betray if you do this?
>>31531217>[ ] Go listen to Judicature.We haven't really gotten to know our totally loyal and definitely not the devil paladin yet.
>>31531450They can't betray you if you never trusted them.
>>31531217[X] Go listen to Judicature.
>>31531450Or you could talk to her and she could turn you on your allies.
>>31531217[X] Go listen to Judicature
>>31531500>>31531486>>31531478>>31531348>>31531283[+1 Reputation with Judicature][+1 Knowledge of Judicature]
Hey Shepherd; please don't ever throw a bitch fit and storm off if someone gives you critique or gets upset .
Hoping that the next quest builds up Trove a bit. He seem like a fun dude and I want to chill with him. Like that one dude that gets shitfaced and goes in full costume to the local Ren Fair and gets REALLY into character and just can't turn it off when he gets back home.
>>31531779>Next questYou're acting like we're going to make it to the Big Apple quickly. That's adorable.
>>31531921I think he means next thread/
>>31531552You think to go sing sea shanties with Canis and Trove, but from what you already tasted of the grog, the alcohol isn't there, and what's the point of singing without being drunk?You travel away from them and head into the darkness of the night. That is when Judicature's words become understandable."Stars! In your multitudes! Scarce to be counteeeeeed!" She sings, "Filling the darkneeeeess! With order and liiiiiiight! You are the sentinels! Silent and suuuuure! Keeping watch in the night! Keeping watch in th-!" That is when she notices you. She freezes and simply stares."Your singing is..." You try to think of something. "It's certainly something.""How long have you been there?" She asks.You shrug, "Just a couple seconds." There is a distinct awkwardness in the air. "So... Them Stars, huh?"There is a long pause until she finally says, "It's from Les Mis."You nod, but you have no idea what she is talking about. "Yeah, that Le-Miz sure is... a thing.""It's a musical... and a movie."You simply continue to nod."Stars is my favorite song."You just nod. This is extremely awkward."I was watching the movie when I was a kid, and my father walked in. He went on this..." She tried to find the word, you assume, "Diatribe about how the movie was terrible." She nods to herself, "Then he pulls out these mp3s, going on about the 10th anniversary and how it was the REAL Les Mis."You continue nodding, still having no idea what she was talking about."And... I don't know. I just felt like singing." She says, "You ever feel that way some times.""Can't say I have." You respond.There is another long silence and then, "Ah. Well. I'm just going to go to sleep, then.""Okay." You respond.She walks off and you are just glad this conversation is over. [-2 Reputation with Judicature] I LIED! Haha! After a while of just sitting in the dark to decide to go back to sleep.===========================End of Session.
Here's the world map.Laughing at how fucked Canada bros are.
>>31531613I am perfectly fine with receiving criticism. I've actually asked for it from people. If you have any comments on what I should improve do not hesitate to tell me.>>31531779>builds up TroveWhat can you do with a drunken sailor e'rly in the morning?
>>31532012She just torpedoed my desire to talk to her, ever.
>>31532065Oh, and before I forget, the cards were designed by one of my followers on twitter, Snowloss, who is awesome and deserves all the credit for how good they look.
>>31532012Never speak to the Betrayer again as the desire to sacrifice it to the True Lever is growing stronger.
>>31532012Shooten' down them waifu options before they're even on the table.>>31532065Best I can say is to try and push updates out faster so you can maintain peoples interest and cover a lot of ground. Fledgling quests are pretty rough the first few threads; but rapid updates can help.Also take a look at other quests. It feels like you're rushing a lot of things. Describe the environment, the characters, don't be afraid to be a little floral with your language.Your combat writing... leaves a lot to be desired; check out combat heavy quests like the all but dead Bleach Quest for some ideas I guess. Right now they feel like chores.I'm pretty lost on the combat system; but I love the card idea and their design (lot of work clearly went into those, so kudos for taking the effort). Consider dropping some aspects of your combat system and streamlining it.Next quest when?
>>31532191>Next quest when?Sunday. 6:30 PM EST
>>31532122Definitely streamline the combat. It's confusing and there will be a lot of confusion if you try to implement it
>>31532138The Great Gears thirst for the blood of unbelievers. With whose blood shall we oil the sacred machine my lord?
>>31532228fffffff-Oh well we had a long run tonight.Cheers and thanks.Don't forget to archive it guys.
>>31532191At the moment there really isn't much to describe out in the desert. The best you can hope for is 'There was some shrubbery that looked like a pig.'
>>31532045>Ekechi 51We HAVE to go there. Even if it's clearly a raid instance.
>>31532012Well excuuuuuuuse me princess.
>>31532336We where kind of rude to her... and she tried to reach out to us, but our character is not a scholar or a smart man.He's also clearly having lever withdrawal and isn't exactly taking the apocalypse very well. He's not weeping and gnashing his teeth like most other players; but something HAS broken in him.
>>31532242The non believers. They surround us like a noxious smog. The first to go must be the boy.
>>31532122Hey, thanks for the namedrop!If you need any more cards or updates for sunday just drop me a pastbin like last time.
>>31532386And so it shall be.
>>31532138>>31532242>>31532386>>31532425If we don't at LEAST accidentally create Phyrexia, The Oil, or at the very least a Cult of the Machine I'll be genuinely shocked.>>31532371He's seemed to have chilled out considerably since leaving town. I'm just worried we'll go for yet another diplomacy/ social link character.
>>31532191>>31532235>streamline the combatI'm not sure how to streamline it further. As of right now, you roll a d12 and that's the entire round of combat, but I will agree that it feels pretty complicated and I'm doing a terrible job of explaining it.I'm just not sure how I can both represent having all the different abilities a class has and at the same time prevent arguments like..>Using face-kicking style.I thought we were past being scrubs.>Implying face-kicking style is bad.Your views on objective merits are bad, and you should have a generally negative outlook on yourself.etc, etc.I want a system that is hands on enough to feel like the players have actual options, but hands off enough that there isn't a million votes of what to do at every turn, and yet strategic enough to reward clever tactics.What parts do you think are too confusing/need to be just dropped? Is there any part in particular or does the entire system just give the wrong feeling? I really do not mind going back to the drawing board if it means a higher quality of quest.
>>31532537The placement mechanics where thankfully dropped right off the bat.I like the card concept a lot especially if we can upgrade and switch cards out when we get new gear or teammates.As far as how to accomplish your goals to make things, simple, highly strategic. and hands off... the only way I've seen that done in quests is to give the players free reign and have them write out what spells and actions they should take.But they you'e having to make and balance dozens of abilities or preventing your readers from controlling the team as a whole.When it boils down to it; think of how to simplify the explanation of how the mechanics work, but be more fluid in your descriptions. Right now it sounds like a play-by-play of a card game.This works for the demo which our first combat was, but don't be afraid to expand on the combat scenes you write and really paint a picture.
>>31532537Is 8 supposed to skip a turn in combat? You have 9 listed twice.It would be easier to remember if a character's rolls were grouped together, since you seem to be going for 2 numbers each.but really this system seems drawn out and gives us no room for input beyond rolling dice
>>31532537I personally like it. The 'Roll some die and watch the chaos unfold' is a nice and quick way that avoids the problems that most quest have.
Archived.>>31532705Ya; it feels a bit drawn out. Adding places where we have control like: "Takashi is currently being surrounded by a hoard of rat women amazons and he's a little too into being face stabbed, if this keeps up he'll probably die.">watch and laugh>cast healing spell>rush in just like he'd want you to>write inon the other hand I DO really like the cards...
>>31532537I like the idea of the card combat thing, it's an unusual take on combat in quests but I think it has potential.I do think >>31532748 is a good idea though, hopping back into narrative mode to make decisions at critical moments will prevent it from becoming CARDS DICE CARDS DICE OH GOD IT'S TOO ABSTRACT.
>>31532705>but really this system seems drawn out and gives us no room for input beyond rolling diceWe skipped the Formation Stage, where the players would normally be able to change the formation of the party.You'll also later get to swap out effects on cards, but I was going to hold off on that until I was sure that we would use the system. For example, Lilac would spend her skill points to upgrade Thunder Bolt and increase the spread, so it would work on 3, 10, and 7 OR she could use it to unlock a new spell like Chain Lightning, which works on a 3 and deals 3 damage, but triples damage against enemies with the Group sub-type.>>31532681>expand on the combat scenesYou made me think of something that might throw even more complication into the mix; namely, adding in terrain effects, where different slots have different properties. I think I'll hold off on that idea for now if I ever use it.I do agree with everyone, though, that my battle writing was sorely underwhelming. I was trying too much to explain to the system rather than just write well, at least that is the excuse I'm using. I will certainly look up how better Quests write/do combat.
>>31532840You're focused WAY too much on mechanics.The world is living and breathing now. Treat it as such.Not everything needs numbers or values.
>>31532748>feels a bit drawn out. Adding places where we have control likeI agree that the players don't have enough input. Perhaps I should just use the "Plan+3d10" system I've seen in the other LHQ.>>31532866>You're focused WAY too much on mechanics.Yeah, you have a point, but at the same time, the quest is about being in a game (sorta), and I have a want to represent that in a manner that feels meaningful, but the current system probably isn't meaningful enough.
>>31532866This is in regards to your terrain thing. Sometimes you just need to let a story be a story.Check out some of the combat scenes in the anime and think how you would write that scene in your quest or what you could do with combat to give it some life and energy.
>>31532937Having long combat is fine, but your players need to have input in it otherwise they get restless and annoyed with only rolling dice.The "action"+dice method might not work well here since we have an entire team and a LOT of spells and mechanics at our disposal. That might get muddy.
>>31532985>That might get muddy.Right, but going full narrative would equally just make most fights trivial. If I kill the MC it's not because of bad luck or strange events it is be cause I, the QM, looked down into the thread and said, "I think he should die." Even if that's not the truth it is certainly how people might interpret it.The thing about it, though, is I have no idea how to mix my system and a narrative system.I think I'll just have to make a new system that can somehow accomplish most of my wants.
>>31533088You've got time and if you need to you can always pause the quest for a few days.Combat systems are a bitch to develop and I'd love to see you keep the card idea somehow, but sometimes things need to change to get what you and the players want/need.
>>31533088>Right, but going full narrative would equally just make most fights trivial. If I kill the MC it's not because of bad luck or strange events it is be cause I, the QM, looked down into the thread and said, "I think he should die."This is the biggest problem the questrunner Cosgrove has. He spends so much time slapping players shit for doing things; then when players get mad because they took the safe option and bad things happens he gets pissy that they're mad they got bad results from playing the quest the way they assumed he wanted them to play.HOWEVER the /tg/ dice are also evil fickle bitches.There is no winning; just degrees of failure.Take some time and sleep on it. Think about it; ask other QMs, etc.In other words, any interludes, asides, or other intel you could give us about anyone or anything in the quest that's not too spoiler-y?
>>315300399/11?Allah Akbar?
>Eldar Tales will never be an actual game VR or no.
>>31533214>In other words, any interludes, asides, or other intel you could give us about anyone or anything in the quest that's not too spoiler-y?This kinda reminds me of something I've always been meaning to do at the end of one of these quests where I allow the one question to be asked any character, in which I would respond to said question as that character.Not sure how that would play out, though.Your brother isn't a slut.
>>31533313You'll have a lot of spoilers doing that, but it might be fun.Doing a QA for one character a week with the same questions and just posting that might be a way to handle things.Maybe they filled out a survey form for some free loot and these where their answers.Things like: What made you start playing your class? Sub-Class? etc.
>>31533350>Things like: What made you start playing your class? Sub-Class? etc.That could certainly be a thing, but I much prefer players having input. Maybe ask the players do make the questionnaire that will be handed out to each character to keep them from asking anything too specific?
>>31533439Eh I think you could get away with doing the questions yourself; maybe take a vote on two or three the players pick for it.
>>31533239I guess you haven't heard about this?
>>31533773I have not.I am assuming it's a table top game or something that's not the massive amazing MMO the game is in the franchise.
I took a look at Mamare's website, and apparently there's a thing going on where they're taking suggestions for equipment again. I think you have to tweet at #loghorizion a name and ability, but that's off of google.
Honestly, with regards to combat I might just go with a skills pastebin that lists the MP cost/Effect/Cooldown of our powers, list the HP/MP/status info of the combatants, and each round of combat list the most obvious choices for what we might do in that situation, with our party members doing stuff based on either their best judgement (or lack thereof) or the battle plan if we had time to plan. For example:Ambrosius, Trove, and Takeshi are fighting a pair of cacti!Ambrosius: 100/100 HP, 80/100 MPTrove: 120/150 HP, 50/70 MP, being attacked by Cactus 1, taunt on cooldown for 2 turnsTakeshi: 30/80 HP, 30/70 MP, being attacked by Cactus 2Cactus 1: 40/100 HPCactus 2: 70/100 HP[blah blah blah narrative text explaining what the fuck is happening and everyone yelling at Takeshi for being a retard and drawing aggro][ ] Use Holy Light, help Trove finish Cactus 1 off so you can both help Takeshi next round! (5MP, 20 damage, DC5 roll because Trove is tanking it and Cacti are dumb, 1 turn cooldown)[ ] Holy shit Takeshi is low, why the fuck didn't he stick to the plan? Use Heal to cure him! (5MP, heals 30, no roll required, 2 turn cooldown)[ ] Jesus tittyfucking Christ Takashi might die, run over there and use Holy Pocket Sand to save him while Trove deals with the other one. (10MP, 10 damage and [blind] each turn for 3 rounds, DC10 roll to target the spell while running, 5 turn cooldown)[ ] Do something else (write in)
Takeshi reminds me a lot of me as far as his abilities go.I'm just chilling in the back being an affliction lock; doing my dots and making sure things stay debuffed when HOLY SHIT BOSS CHARGES ME and people are yelling that I pulled threat when I was doing my damn job so we try again and I change my style up and refresh DoTs less then people yell at me that my DPS was low.This was a month before I learned that I needed to do raids to get better armor, but I couldn't do raids because my gear didn't have a high enough score so I got caught in a neat unescapable loop of inactivity.This was a month a a half before, when finally doing a raid and seeing a super rare 5% item drop I needed and lost... to the GM. Who was a tank. Because he wanted to give it to his mage alt his sister was using during the raid.I quit the game immediately after.Takeshi is an annoying faggot, but don't push him too hard. Don't let him make the same mistakes. Don't make him quit the game.
The first few threads are always rough. You'll get your sea legs soon enough. Usually around #10 is when things start happening and you're in the swing of it and you've got increased readership.Keep at it!When in doubt; check out some popular quests and see how they do things.Also:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/21397476/
>>31534275It looks like an okay system, but I think it's going to be very time consuming going turn for turn.I don't think the system I want is possible. I get the feeling that customizability, player input, and and speed are a kinda "choose two" sort of thing and I went for customization and speed, but not having player input is a big no-no for quests.>>31534555>Don't make him quit the game.>implying he can quit.>>31534654Thank you!
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>>31534675He can kill himself a lot. That's what I was getting at. That or going full saturday morning cartoon named underling ala Bebop.And yes; /tg/ is huge on choices. Be they abilities or actions. Funny enough though if things aren't spelled out for them in every detail and something goes wrong, they throw a bitch fit. Same thing when things are too "complicated" they're an aggravating bunch.Anyway it's 4am and I'm logging off of the database. Don't forget to upvote the thread on suptg guys.
>>31534702He cannot be stopped. He hungers for the blood of scrubs.
>>31534743Ah yes, the Night Elf Rogue.
>>31534734as stupid as /tg/ is; you have to applaud them for pretty much figuring out the lever puzzle in the second thread?
>>31532045>Germany only has one townI bet they have space ships already and are trying to murder the French.
>>31532537If it becomes to cumbersome, you can always roll on your side.I would be partial to streamlining the player side, but making your side more fine-tuned in terms of results.However, I already like the current system and can't understand the complaints.
>>31530646Side story also known as the greatest party ever featuring a ninja turtle, Kanami, a chunni npc, a sentient double shield wielding RMTbot and a summoner playing as his summon.
>>31537083>a summoner playing as his summonWhat? How does that work?
Did we officially form a party, or are we just moving around together?It might be bad if we got split up and can't contact each other.We might potentially want to friend each other, just as a temporary measure.
>>31537553BECOME THE GIRAFFE
>>31537721I think we're just walking around together right now.
>>31537553Rarely used summoner ability to posess your summon. It became ALOT more useful post apocalypse since you can just run into fairy rings for exploration and effectively teleport back home instantly.
>>31538490Interesting I guess.Is there a DoT class like WoWs Warlock? I love stacking those.
THIS THREAD IS STILL UP!?>>31535976>can't understand the complaints.It's because there is no input during the combat. Sure, they could change the formation before the fight to something with a better statistical outcome or whatever, but after that point there is literally nothing for them to do but roll dice and use a potion instead of an ability.>>31537721You have formed a party, yes, but other than Canis, no one is in your friend list.>>31539513There are some classes with DoT abilities, but there is no class that I know of which can be all DoTs all the time like a Warlock.On the subject of the system, as much as I love looking at those cards, the system that I am probably going to end up using is the standard...[ ] Punch him in the face[ ] Punch him in the dick[ ] Cast Heal on self.I can't blame people for not liking the card system, though. I'd be upset too if combat was just a sequence of rolls with no input whatsoever.
>>31540532You forgot the all important[ ] Cast Heal on the Dick.
>>31540532Damn; I really liked the idea of the cards (the heart IS in them after all) but you probably made the right choice.Shame about the dot thing too; I was hoping we'd meet a happy go lucky catgirl who is a lord of pestilence. Because the "Nui" style character never gets old for me.
>>31540669>you probably made the right choice.I really hope you're right and things don't become...[ ] Attack the monster[ ] The other shit no one chooses because why would we?The idea of grinding is out the window, though. I doubt people will sit through "And then you get attacked by ANOTHER CACTUS!" And I certainly don't want to reward shit like...[ ] Grind mobs all day.With a glossed over "Oh, yeah, you totally get all the mobs and are level whatever. Congrats."Perhaps I am just being bitter, though.
>>31540747Well we are mid-level garbage right now and you don't want your quest to be just combat scenarios.Raid and all that will be fun as hell, but grinding is just that. Grinding. It's awful./tg/ prefers talking and story over combat, but if combat is fun, immerse, and filled with clutch moment it's well liked.Just remember that while numbers, spreadsheets, and min-maxing are fun and good for table tops; sometimes you need to put all of that aside for questing and be more free form.On the other hand you REALLY want to avoid power creep especially early on. So beat /tg/s face in whenever we try that.
>>31540747>With a glossed over "Oh, yeah, you totally get all the mobs and are level whatever. Congrats."That's the accurate MMO experience! Complete with dissatisfaction.
>>31540931>beat /tg/s face inI am hesitant to do this, as it could very well result in people rebelling.Sure, if they go and take on Coyote and get wrecked, no one is going to bat an eyelash, but what if a horde of goblins rise up to go wreck a town? I assume /tg/ is going to make some "We must justice!" speech and they are going to stay. What do I do then?Sure, realistically they would wreck your shit, but /tg/ could easily go on a rant about how the MC should do XYZ, ensuring victory. If I ignore the plan, I'm an asshole who just punished the players for choosing option 3 instead of option 2. If I have the plan not work, it's the exact same thing. The most I can hope for is a "You succeed, but at a cost." which over time will allow for all kinds of bullshit to happen.>>31541109Perhaps, but this makes travel far less dangerous and leveling far too easy. If every thread you can just put in "We grind till we level and then keep moving" why wouldn't you?
>>31541252>Perhaps, but this makes travel far less dangerous and leveling far too easy. If every thread you can just put in "We grind till we level and then keep moving" why wouldn't you?Because you're wrecking the fragile ecosystem of this suddenly far too real world? With horrible consequences?I'm not too into Log Horizon but that does seem like something that would happen if grinding adventurers were unleashed.
>>31541252>If every thread you can just put in "We grind till we level and then keep moving" why wouldn't you?Then make it clear that grinding takes time, sir. And make it clear that time is not unlimited.If you want to stop us from grinding at every chance, you need to give us a reason. Limited time is a really good reason, and makes for a better narrative.
>>31541252We CAN die in this quest... the results after time are often dangerous though.If the odds are insurmountable then they're insurmountable and /tg/ gets its shit pushed in. Simple as that.People may get buttblasted at how our party was unable to defend a small town from 80 marauding native american themed knights; but numbers dictate that fight was not going to go well no matter what we did for instance.Sometimes you HAVE to show your players that making stupid choices gets them fucked up. If however /tg/ lays out a plan and you think it could work; run with it and see what happens. You can always blame dice.If an idea people are rallying around won't work in this world, just say so. You can also have our little caster act as your own voice of reason.In short use your best judgement and do what you think is fun and remind players they will not succeed every single time on everything they do.
>>31541391>Limited time is a really good reason, and makes for a better narrative.>implying you don't have a time limit on something important.Not that I can tell you it, as that's metagaming and spoilers.>>31541445>diceI don't think I will use dice. Dice have the chance or turning good plans into defeat and shit plans into victory.
>>31541539A diceless quest?We CYOA now. And I can dig it.Don't be afraid to keep changing and evolving if need be.
>>31542541>We CYOA nowIs there a distinction between a Quest and a CYOA? Or is the difference mostly meaningless?I must admit, though, I hope that the lack of real mechanics will be mostly temporary until I can think of something that will make both myself and the audience happy.
>>31542667Quests tend to be more technical with players rolling dice and using stats to play. They're more like pen-and-paper tabletop games played over the internet.CYOA are more verbal. No dice are used and only player inputs (usually no customs) are given leaving nothing up to chance. Stats are rarely used. These are more like Choose Your Own Adventure books.Both ways are completely valid and lend themselves better to certain audiences and types of stories.
>>31543056Also some people use the terms interchangably because they hate you.
If you want you can always use the basics of the d20 based combat system I made. It boils down into three categories:HPAttackArmorHP is the highest stat almost always. Attack adds its value to the dice rolled while armor negates it.For instance lets say a player has 8HP, 3 Armor, and 2 Attack.The enemy has 6HP and 7 Armor.They roll an 11, so it becomes a 13. The enemies armor negates 7 points of that damage, turning the attack into a 6 which is just enough to kill the enemy.Of corse you don't have to make note of an enemies armor or other stats it may have; but it's a pretty simple system I'm happy with.Giving your character non-combat stats like Intellect for solving puzzles can also be considered.This also allows you do do inventory for your characters which I recommend since it's an MMO and what's an MMO without loot and a little micro managing.Say you get a mace that gives you +3 attack and heals you by 3 for each 3 you roll during combat.
>>31541252My two cents on that:1. Lilac is already set up to be an excellent IC mouthpiece to deliver "you're a dipshit and are going to get us all killed" warnings. By contrast, Takeshi can also serve that purpose since anything he thinks is a GOOD idea can logically be deduced to actually be a BAD one.2. Death is nothing more than a setback in this setting from a practical standpoint. The only time I could see it legitimately causing major buttfrustration is if we were like ten feet from the next hub town and Dickbutt ganks us out of nowhere sending us back to square 1.As for that specific hypothetical I could see "sacrifice our lives to give the villagers time to escape" being a legitimate plan if we really felt like going Full Paladin, not that I think we would with this character though. Not dying when we're killed means that death and success don't have to be mutually exclusive as long as the conditions for success don't hinge on "make the enemy dead before he makes you dead".
>>31545742The first time we or a party member dies there will be feels because the world is "real" so we could very well assume death is also real.And then everyone gets totally happy when that's not the case and nothing bad really happens. Or DOES it?
>>31544289Don't forget items with abilities/ activations.
>>31545788I think our character might still be operating under the assumption that it really is still a game to some extent, our internal monologues haven't changed much. That, and we saw people die during the little mini-riot when Takeshi killed the Lever and the town guards went apeshit, so the fact that people still respawn may have just been glossed over since us players all know it anyway and making a big deal about it would just be rehashing stuff covered in the first episode of the anime.
>>31546070I've only seen episodes 5 and up. Need to circle back around.
>>31540747They seem to do grinding training/ingredients gathering, though after one on-screen fight it shifts to a montage were they get the hang of things.
>>31546070I don't think it was explicitly state we saw anyone die.And I doubt that small town has a cathedral, so I don't think we saw anyone revive. And even if we did we wouldn't recognize them amongst the melee.
>>31545742>Takeshi can also serve that purpose since anything he thinks is a GOOD idea can logically be deduced to actually be a BAD one.Stop making fun of Takeshi you jerk. He's the best.
>>31546587We were in South Angel, it's explicitly a cathedral-equipped hub town.
Actually, I have a more curious point. If the admins are gone what's to stop us from actively cheating?With the way people seem to be able to break the rules with "world class magic" in the game there's absolutely no reason we can't just create an artifact that can dupe any item in the game.And I bet a new expansion has all SORTS of exploits in it.[metagaming]
>>31546664Item crafting still has level requirements and ingredient requirements.Mamare has said that making modern weapons has a requirement above the in-game level cap.Shiroe's contract to turn Rudy into an adventurer was made using a bunch of ingredients dropped by raid bosses that aren't in the game anymore and required pre-expansion max level in his sideclass to even attempt it. Same for Chefs if they attempt to cook food that has passed their level cap they just ruin all the ingredients.
>>31546664>what's to stop us from actively cheating?That's called an Overskill. Fucking everyone has one. Shit, cooking food manually is technically an Overskill because it's using a game-skill in a way that was never intended thanks to the fact that it isn't a game anymore. So really it's not cheating because it isn't a game, not any more than using aerodynamics to make gigantic hunks of metal filled with people fly across the sky at several hundred miles an hour in real life is "cheating".Seriously though people, stop thinking like it's a game you can exploit. It isn't, not any more than real life is, it just happens to run on magic rather than conventional physics.
>>31546783The only problem with that argument is that game menus are still available.
>>31546783So what would an Engineering/ Cleric overskill do?Or whatever your ultimate ability is that fuses your sub class and class.
>>31547068No, it's not even an argument, that's actually how things are. It isn't a game. All the game abstractions are just magic shit that LOOKS like game stuff.
>>31547068fucking overskillOk, it's actually world magic relating to how adventurers are a thing
>>31547112>>31547143Then why does the logout command even exist instead of being scrubbed from the universe?"But it doesn't work!" is not a valid argument.
>>31547450You can also craft from the menu.
>>31547450Because it used to be a game and then FUCKING MAGIC happened.I mean, you realize it wasn't a VR game right? It was an honest-to-god keyboard and mouse WOW/Everquest/Guild Wars/Whatever style MMO, being played on normal ass computers. Then suddenly people are inside the game, NPCs are real people, and you get early onset Alzheimers if you die too much due to the HP/MP mechanics now being tied to the metaphysics of the human soul and reincarnation.The entire point of the series is that it's a real world and not a game. Please leave familiarize yourself with the source material so you can stop bringing up stupid shit.
>>31547551For some reason I had completely forgotten it was a mouse and keyboard game...
>>31547943Yeah, that bit is pretty important. If it were VR then nobody could really be blamed for assuming that it was just a sweet new content patch that had horrible unintended consequences.It's also kinda interesting to consider that back when it was a game (or more accurately, before the game-world and the real Elder Tale world got smashed together into one with magic, which is probably what happened.), 1 real-world hour counted for 1 in-game day so characters belonging to older players who had been playing for a few years are actually centuries-old heroes with Lander records of their exploits stretching back for generations. And then one day (from the Lander perspective) every Adventurer suddenly woke up and stopped being the monster-killing economy-stimulating archtypical heroes everyone knew and loved and instead turned into a roiling mass of panicked computer gamers with superpowers.
>>31548577Ya I remember the episode where they talk about the in game time system and the legacy and all that.Honestly the whole concept is pretty damn intriguing. If they made an Eldar Tales game proper and really put the time and money into it, it could easily kill WoW.Even though it's already dying and most people are moving to mobile/ twitch style pick-up and play games...
>>31548695So what are some mmo archtypes you'd like to run into/ party up with?
>post quest conversation 1/3rd as long as actual quest
>>31548695Sadly, while the technology may be there to pull it off, the videogame industry really has no interest in big hyper-ambitious projects simply for the sake of doing something awesome when they can keep doing what they've been doing for the last decade and maintain their income stream.Not to mention the fact that after a steady stream of "WoW-killers" that flopped because they couldn't possibly compete with Blizzard's unlimited development bucks or established userbase (the most important thing in an MMO), most companies are pretty content to just let WoW have that entire section of the MMO market and make their money elsewhere.
