>>31574810
Is there food and water enough for the citizens with in the town?

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Reposting this from the last thread.

>Hiien decision

You now control Hiien. Parras will arrive with your main force within the next hour and a half. You have a group of veterans with you and have captured the eight hundred Taourans who were supposed to be guards here. A quick estimate of the population of the ‘town’ is about thirty thousand – five thousand in each tower. You’ve left them in their cells as you lack the resources to cope with so many desperate people at once.

The problem is deciding what to do with them. You managed to make contact with Arail who supplied the interesting news that the Taouran soldiers in Darlesia are bugging out. As are a lot of the soldiers in Crece. It would appear that you’ve spooked the vampires sufficiently to have them pull back a lot of their soldiers to the capital but that also leaves you wide open. If you spend time trying to relocate thirty thousand civilians that makes it difficult to prepare for a major operation.

You could leave them here, at least temporarily, until you’ve seized the province and held off any counter-offensives. Parras might not approve, however, and the same could be said of many of your other men.

>Discussion about what to do for now.

In all, Arail estimates that the 2k troops in Darlesia are relocating to Crece and 3k of the troops in Crece are relocating to Taour. That leaves them with 5k in Crece and 6k in Taour. You have 4k in Raupe and 2k in Olmm.

If the Taourans attack you, they could launch a full offensive from Taour within a week. It would probably take longer to relocate the civilians in Hiien, even if you weren’t checking them for thralls and vampires.

Arail only has 2k troops, same as the ones retreating... he should try to lay traps in their path to see if he can kill some with minimal losses and then secure darlesia. I doubt they are going to attack on that front.

As for the civilians in hiien. recruit the able bodied men, arm them and start training them.
Women and children should begin evacuating. If any woman wants to enlist recruit her too.

I guess if some able bodied men really object we won't force them. rather, strongly encourage them to enlist and help free their families.

Scan everyone, both soldiers and populace for thralls. thralls are to be captured alive for cure research. make sure to clarify that to people.

Kill any vamps. have our troops scour the towers for resources, reserach, etc. then gnome should collapse them

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>>31574853
Combining your food and water with the stocks in Hiien means you'll have enough to keep the people in Hiien on a subsistence diet for several weeks if necessary as well as feed your troops.

>>31574886
If you want to relocate them without fighting against Taour, yes. Otherwise you can fight defensively or try something else if you want to do both. Also, this is predicated on the assumption that Taour is counterattacking - you don't know yet.

>>31574866
The issue is mostly time, not just what you do. It takes a lot of time to check 30,000 people for thralls and vampires.

>>31574860
So, question:
>Don't have the time
Do you mean before Taour gets all their troops to the capital, or before they launch an attack against us? Because it' probably be better to have a wall between us and their army, then to try and flee only to end up right where we started again.

>>31574914
This seems the most sensible thing. We didn't go through hell and break one of Taour's spines just to give it all up, did we? There has to be SOME way we can get the people out of there. I mean god damn man.

>>31574914
now, as for the taur soldiers. those who aren't thralls we should recruit as well. the thralls are stripped of weapons and again, sent for research.

Oh, and don't let vad checking people become a bottleneck. its more important to relocate people than to check them. we can have mal and the mages he trained in vitria go over them after they have been relocated. the focus of checking should be soldiers first. then the blood slaves we recruited.

>>31574938
I say we make a bunch of traps in case they do attack. we winnow down their soldiers then let them capture the empty hiien.

>>31574938
>Do you mean before Taour gets all their troops to the capital, or before they launch an attack against us?
If they're attacking you and moving fast, they'll be besieging Hiien in 7-10 days with a force of up to 6k. It depends on how rapidly they mobilise.

>>31574985
well, we captured a LOT of MK suits and we can recruit a good chunk of blood slaves so we have an advantage there. the walls are heavily enchanted with a very high quality force field so that is another advantage over their mages.
they have a mage advantage. we should see if we can get our people in vitria to convince some mages from the towers to join us and come to the front and join us here
(heck, didn't we make the mage tower nobility status explicitly dependent on them providing us with combat magister? I recall we explicitly stated that is a requirement instead of giving a blanket nobility status)

What I am thinking declaring martial law. We open the cages but tell the people to remain inside the towers. We station a chunk of men-at-arms, including some of he Taourians that have been screened, and like 50-60 mage knights to watch over the town for now. These soldiers will be responsible for making sure the former prisoners have access to food and water and dealing with trouble while we are gone. I would alot 2 days for us to clean up, secure supplies, and screen as many of the captured Taourians as possible before marching onward. Maybe give a speech to the freed to bolster their spirits.

>>31574914 cont

we should also have our soldiers release the slaves from the pens asap and give them some clothes and tents, have them set up a shanty town and start looking among each other for relatives. have the middling commanders start organizing them, get them to recruit some as administrators to get the name, and names of family of the rescued and start coordinating. it would be good for morale of both our soldiers and the people they rescued and will increase the amount of volunteers

>>31574985
Damn...this ain't easy. That 6K army is all of Taour's best troops, ain't it Aspir? Regular and Veterans and shit? Their best of the best?

And still plenty of Daywalkers...gah.

That'd be one hell of a fight.
What are the defenses at this town like? any good at all? Good enough to take on an army that is 2/5ths outnumbering us?

>>31575053
>What I am thinking declaring martial law. We open the cages but tell the people to remain inside the towers.
ah... that sounds like a bad idea. the tower is livestock pens and slaughter house not actual housing.

>Maybe give a speech to the freed to bolster their spirits.
I like that

>>31575082
>And still plenty of Daywalkers...gah.
actually, from the letter from that dead daywalker we know she went in with 3 allies to the counter. and we heard the council was reduced from 6 to 3... and her 3 were killed. seems obvious that 3 daywalkers killed the other 3. then we killed another one just here right now. this leaves 2
then again, there are supposedly a few daywalkers who aren't part of the council. like that shadowmage said we killed his apprentice who was much weaker (probably that shadowmage daywalker we cornered in the basement who tried to enthrall lyn and mal)

>>31575088
Meh, maybe get them some temporary shelters then. I just though keeping them in the towers would help keep things organized. We cant have anarchy with this many bodies.

>>31575116
Two Daywalkers isn't anything to snuff at. And it'd likely be that one Daywalker that has a superb general under his thralldom. That guy is not to be under estimated.

Another idea. we slaughtered like, 150 combat mages here, mostly journeymen too rather then apprentices. or rather, that was outside hiien, then in hiien we killed some more... what, another 50?

We could have our mage towers start contacting people in taurs mage towers for subversion purposes. if we can get them to defect...

>>31575128
i suggested earlier we give them tents. we did bring plenty of supplies.

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>>31575082
Hiien has very good defenses but the issue is that it's a horrible place to stay. The longer you keep the people here after 'freeing' them the unhappier they'll get. Your soldiers will also react poorly, especially as there's nowhere decent to stay within the walls.

>That 6K army is all of Taour's best troops, ain't it Aspir? Regular and Veterans and shit? Their best of the best?
Most of the troops Taour has left are their veterans, yes. They must have exhausted a lot of their mage-knight suits and battle mages by now though as their stock isn't limitless.

>>31575116
>actually, from the letter from that dead daywalker we know she went in with 3 allies to the counter. and we heard the council was reduced from 6 to 3... and her 3 were killed.
Her and her companions would have been killed before you learnt about half the council being dead as Lady Irris was the major proponent of the infighting according to Mercenie.

Assuming the first daywalker you killed in the quest wasn't a council member there is somewhere between 2 and 5 daywalkers on the council left, plus however many others are left in Taour.

>quick summary
The sense I'm getting is either to actively defend Hiien or simply just to relocate as many people as quickly as possible. Nobody is really mentioning retreat just yet.

>>31575171
>Two Daywalkers isn't anything to snuff at.
oh, definitely, i am just saying its not the "oh fuck 5 daywalkers are coming!"
that being said, it is the STRONGEST two daywalkers remaining. strong enough to kill the other 3 on the council, which were the most powerful (with weaker ones being apprentices rather then council members)

>>31575187
Fuck if it is that bad, yeah sure lets just try to relocate as many as we can. Also have Vad screening as many captured soldiers and important slaves as possible.

Also getting them all out into the sun to weed out any Nightwalkers.

>>31575187
>Hit to morale
Surely we can give some manner of speech so the people understand why we would need to stay for a while? In the mean time, we could check for thralls, feed cloth and recruit? Or are the masses too restless to quell?

We need our army on our side if we're going to do this, and if they just outright refuse to cooperate, then we'll have to retreat. We can't beat an army of Veterans that out number us unless every possible advantage is on our side (Even with defender's advantage)

So, no speechs gonna get us out of this one?

>>31575187
>The sense I'm getting is either to actively defend Hiien or simply just to relocate as many people as quickly as possible. Nobody is really mentioning retreat just yet.
Oh, did i forget that part?
When they start actually moving towards us, we should use as many traps as possible to cause them great injury, then depending on how many remain either retreat or defend the walls.

Also, a major reason we aren't suggesting retreat is because you said we don't have the TIME to fully relocate everyone

>The longer you keep the people here after 'freeing' them the unhappier they'll get
This is why we are going to ship them off here as fast as we can. However we should prioritize the children first, then infirm, then women, then men. any man or woman who wants to enlish is welcome to and in fact we try to get as many as we can
those that don't enlist will still try to equip and get to do some drills until we are forced to leave

ultimately we are not looking at keeping the town, but to use its superior defenses to cause as much harm to the attacking force as possible before either pressing ahead (if we crush them) or retreating (if we dont)

>>31575229
>Also getting them all out into the sun to weed out any Nightwalkers.
great idea

>>31575236
>Surely we can give some manner of speech so the people understand why we would need to stay for a while?
Rather then "have to stay" we phrase it with "we are going to leave as soon as possible, but 30 thousand people do not simply walk between cities. If we tried that most will die of starvation, exposure, and thirst. We will be running caravans to evacuate you from here as fast as possible"

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>>31575236
You're talking about a lot of desperate people here. You could mitigate the morale effect on your soldiers, but the civvies will get rowdy unless you come down on them hard or just let them start fleeing.

VOTE

>1. Keep everybody in Hiien. Make things as comfortable as possible but prepare for a siege as you screen for thralls.
>2. Start relocating everybody as fast as possible while recruiting the soldiers you can. Thrall-checking is secondary. There is a risk that thralls and vampires could make it into your population.
>3. Start relocating everybody as fast as possible while recruiting the soldiers you can. Thrall-checking is primary. Less people will be relocated each day but there is no risk of thralls or vampires escaping.
>4. Custom

>>31575277
>3
God damn I dunno man this is hard.

>>31575187
Hey off topic a bit but how do you pronounce "Vad"?

Does it rhyme with "bad" or is it like in "Vader"?

>>31575277
3

also, can we do what the guy suggested of having EVERYONE walk out to the sun right now to make sure there aren't any nightwalkers?

>>31575277
>2. Start relocating everybody as fast as possible while recruiting the soldiers you can. Thrall-checking is secondary. There is a risk that thralls and vampires could make it into your population.

Get them all into the sun. Start with checking soldiers willing to fight for you then move onto the former blood-bags.

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>>31575308
'Vad' rhymes with 'tad' and 'cad'. It's like Vlad without the 'l' sound.

>>31575313
You would definitely be doing that, if building by building. Chances are a nightwalker wouldn't voluntarily walk into the sunlight, of course, so you'll be able to separate them out and decide their fate collectively.

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>>31575344
Cool. Sounds about how I had it in my brain meat.

>>31575277
ah, i voted 3 but... how many days do we think it would take to evacuate everyone via 2 and 3?

Also, speech idea
>Good people, I know you are wondering what will happen to you now. I am glad to say that you are free.
>This place, it is not a city. it is a slaughterhouse, unfit for human habitation. So we will help you relocate from here to safer territories.
>Now, 30 thousand people do not simply walk between cities. if that was attempted the vast majority of you would die from thirst, starvation, and exposure to the elements. even if you know wilderness survival, you are ill equipped and there are too many of you to hunt on your way.
>As such we will be running caravans to get all of you out to safety a soon as possible.
>In the meantime, please assist my men in organizing and trying to reunite people with their families
>Also, any man or woman who wishes to enlist is welcome to. you would learn to defend yourself, help destroy the vampire scourge, bring justice, and liberate your families still under vampire dominion.

>>31575384
1-1.5 weeks for Option 2. About twice that for Option 3.

>>31575344
well... i imagine how many we have.
I imagine we try to milk them for info about vampires anyways, even if we intend to kill them all.
although I am of the opinion we should also try to research a way to neuter vampires (only drink animal blood, can't enthrall, can't turn)

>>31575421
I honestly don't think we can risk Vampires getting into our lands. I mean, our public order is already bordering on red.

>>31575421
oh, in that case i have alternative suggestion. have vitria send over some of the mages mal trained in detecting vampires. have them set up a checkpoint at vale.
we evacuate at full speed and then check them all for thralls when received at vale. rather then here.

>>31575452
>mages mal trained in detecting vampires
i meant thralls

>>31575452
It's a pretty huge stretch of land. You can't feasibly escort everybody back to your territory and not let any escape, no matter how hard you try (especially if you're busy preparing for a Taouran counteroffensive). The only chance you have to 100% catch the thralls is while they're in the walls of Hiien and firmly under your thumb.

>>31575384
revision to speech
>Good people, I know you are wondering what will happen to you now. I am glad to say that you are free.
>This place, it is not a city. it is a slaughterhouse, unfit for human habitation. So we will help you relocate from here to safer territories.
>Now, 30 thousand people do not simply walk between cities. if that was attempted the vast majority of you would die from thirst, starvation, and exposure to the elements. even if you know wilderness survival, you are ill equipped and if you tried to forage on the way there would not be enough food for all of you
>As such we will be running caravans to get all of you out to safety a soon as possible.
>In the meantime, please assist my men in organizing and trying to reunite people with their families
>Also, any man or woman who wishes to enlist is welcome to. you would learn to defend yourself, help destroy the vampire scourge, bring justice, and liberate your families still under vampire dominion.

I really fucking hate vampires. They make all this shit more difficult. I don't think we can really afford the time needed for either option.

Could we take some of our forces to meet up with the rest of the army, help them sweep what ever town they are near, then double back?

>>31575497
ah ok... stick with 3 then.

wait, you mean we are not sending carvans with armed guards? but literally just setting them loose to all just WALK that distance at the same time? it sounds like an easy way to die

>>31575521
the nearby town is actually an independent city state owned by a vampire lord who is independent of taur and whose independence is recognized. i am betting he is very powerful and will rather not rattle that nest yet...and actually, i want to contact him via sending and inquire as to why he has such a special status. maybe we can get some vampire secrets from him

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>>31575521
Forgot pic.

The vampire menace everyone.

>>31575548
It is such a shame the remaining Daywalkers are old wrinkly men. I think

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>>31575530
You'll send some men and supplies with them, but you're escorting 30,000 people back over a distance that takes a few days to travel. Probably longer as these aren't soldiers trained for marching.

>3.

By the time Parras arrives with the bulk of your army you already have a plan of action for moving forward. You call a meeting once he arrives to explain the plan and get everything moving quickly.

The main plan is to immediately start relocating everybody from Hiien into your territory, but to check them all for thraldom and vampirism before they can leave. In the meantime, an immediate check for nightwalker vampires can be undertaken and the civilians will need to be pacified if they get unruly with the slow progress. In the meantime, your men will need to prepare for a Taouran assault of some size – either in terms of traps or defending Hiien.

There’s grim agreement with the plan – your assembled officers dislike the idea of remaining in Hiien or keeping people contained here any longer than necessary but understand the threat of active thralls and vampires in your territory.

Arail is looking for orders, himself, as the Taourans abandon Darlesia. If the city is left unoccupied it will quickly descend into open lawlessness and rioting. If Arail moves in to seize it and bring back law and order it may leave your own front open to a lightning attack by Taour if they realise.

>1. Order Arail to seize Darlesia
>2. Order Arail to hold Olmm
>3. Order Arail to harry the Taourans fleeing Darlesia and in Crece.
>4. Custom

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>>31575564
If we could get a qt3.14 500 year old vamp loli from this, it would make this entire expedition worthwhile...

>>31575571
1

>>31575599
burn it with fire.
some things we don't stick our dick in

>>31575606 was my vote
actually, can he realistically do both 3 and 1?

>>31575571
did we make sure to state we want thralls captured alive if possible? because we do.

>>31575632
You could, but that would weaken his efforts on both sides. Heck, he could do all three if you don't mind splitting his forces up that much.

>>31575648
I'm assuming you're just rounding up any thralls and vampires found for now.

>>31575571
>3. Order Arail to harry the Taourans fleeing Darlesia and in Crece.

Can we get a small contingent to go into unoccupied Darlesia and tell them we are fighting the taourians? Maybe get them to chillout for abit or help us?

>>31575571
>3
We have to defend our borders. We can take Darlesia later.
Doesn't mean we can't get some free hits on them.

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>>31575618
Is it because of loli or vampire. This is important anon.

>>31575716
vampire, loli is fine too

>>31575655
what if we do a major/minor split where most troops harry them out. but a small continent goes into darlesia? they can start with informing the people that taur recalled their troops due to us attacking them on another front and the bulk of our army is engaging them in this very territory but outside the city, and will arrive shortly.
This knowledge that the army is arriving any day now will likely dissuade most people from going into anarchy

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>>31575729
I understand anon: The vampire menace can not go undressed. But a man can dream, can he not?

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>>31575786
>The vampire menace can not go undressed.
>undressed
Goddammit, anon.

>3.

“Arail, prioritise striking at Taour for now,” you relay through the sending device. “if you find the time try to make contact with Darlesia and let them know what is happening. It can’t really hurt to be in contact with them and try to win them over. It might also ward off any attempts by the League or RSK aimed at seizing the city.”

Arail gives his affirmative and ends the transmission. You then make it your business to round things up in Hiien and see to your work. A speech might tide things over, even if the people will still be very unhappy with you and the checks for thralls and vampires.

[DC12/18 Pacification]

Rolled 70

>>31575797
Pls

Rolled 12

>>31575797

Rolled 20

>>31575797
rolling rolling rolling

Rolled 16

>>31575797
Whoops, didn't mean to roll 100

>>31575841

the best

Rolled 10

>>31575841
holy fuck!

>>31575797
we are keeping enhancement on at all time, yes? you said it will leave us at 3/4th mana to keep it on 24/7. aside from being good practice it means our int and cha are boosted by 2 ass well

>>31575866
around

>>31575866
I am guessing we get a LOT of recruits

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>>31575797
Kekekeke

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>>31575841
We passified the FUCK out of them.

I love it.

>>31575935
At least two of the women in chains are now in love with us.

>>31575975
The vamps in hiding have thrown themselves at our knees. Unfortunately it was midday.

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>Exceptional success

You’ve been told before that the key to giving a good speech is to be visible, loud and confident in delivery. You’ve also been told that so long as you don’t sound like a drunken idiot you’ll probably do just fine. These are fine pieces of advice and have done you well your life but they pale against the suggestion to always wear a cape when making very important speeches. And to stand in high places.

You’ve now decided to add glowing with a golden light and speaking in a deep booming voice to that list of good speech advice. The content is probably important, too, you think but you’ve always just made that up on the spot so it doesn’t really count as preparation in your mind.

As you step down from the walls where you gave your speech, you swiftly move into the gatehouse building where you’ve been holding your officer meetings. You wouldn’t be able to hear yourself think otherwise. Parras follows you inside as you take a seat, removing your cape and placing it over the back of the seat.

“So, how are we going to equip the thousands of volunteers, Imperator?” he asks, smiling broadly.

“With whatever we’ve got. And make sure we’re processing them quickly. I’ll ride Vad – good spirit can turn sour far too quickly,” you say.

>continued

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>>31576103
To say that the people of Hiien had been happy was an understatement. The news that you would be relocating them into non-vampire territory had gone down well. They hadn’t even blinked at the delay you’d announced.

Over the next week as you constantly monitored the news and situation, their good cheer didn’t seem to dim despite the marginally improved conditions. You’d managed to equip another two thousand men-at-arms and archers from the volunteers – and refused that number again as they weren’t able-bodied. But the best news was from Taour – they had stopped at the border of Raupe and Taour and started constructing fortifications. Long ditches and palisades were apparently lining much of the border already, assisted by the remaining mages in their army. If they were this desperate they’re either very fearful of you or stalling for something.

>still continued

Sorry for the slowness. I’m cooking dinner right now. Still running for a while yet so long as you guys are around.

And yes, whether Taour attacked you or not was determined using dice on my end. As was whether they assaulted Olmm.

>>31576103
>Wear a cape
>Stand in high places
>Glowing with golden light
Oh god yes, I love you Aspirational. We god emperor yet?

>>31576103
>>31576142
>Two thousand volunteers
Whooooa. That is awesome holy shit we needed that.
>Taour doesn't attack
>Fortifies
Good and bad.

But excellent. If they're gonna hide this way, we can pick off all their outlying territories! YES

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>Arail operations

Arail undertook both his hit-and-run operations against the Taourans and trying some diplomatic contact with whoever he could find in Darlesia.

[DC15 Hit-and-run operation]

[DC13 Darlesian Diplomacy]

Slightly different again. If people could roll 2d20 each. The idea for this would be to undertake multiple events simultaneously that aren’t connected – which may in turn be combined with several sets of rolls.

Rolled 8

>>31576247
COMON

Rolled 18, 5 = 23

>>31576247

Rolled 2

>>31576247
Woop. Forgot to roll one more

Rolled 7, 11 = 18

>>31576247

Rolled 20, 3 = 23

>>31576247

>>31576142
Well, That was far beyond my expectations.

Also since I wasn't in the thread the, I support your proposed system for crit fails.

Not in small part because you realized it was silly having crit successes on a 20 only if another roll passed the DC.

Fucking PGQ.

Rolled 1

>>31576247
So...any chance>>31576260
>>31576281
is disqualified for not following instructions?

>>31576247
rolling

>>31576305
damn, i am on a roll tonight

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>>31576332
>>31576247
Please?

Rolled 9, 14 = 23

>>31576247
heres the actual roll

>>31576352
dice has to be non capital letters

>>31576332
Might as well set the precedent now - dice roll must be correct format to be counted. I really need to find some way of formatting my calls for rolls in some way to make it clear what sort of roll I'll be calling for.

>>31576247
>Arail undertook both his hit-and-run operations against the Taourans and trying some diplomatic contact with whoever he could find in Darlesia.
probably should have had our cabinet people supporting him on the diplomacy

>>31576380
WOOHOO

Nah, it's okay, you said yourself you're experimenting with a new system right?

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>>31576380
So Based.

We love you Aspie.

>>31576380
>I really need to find some way of formatting my calls for rolls in some way to make it clear what sort of roll I'll be calling for.
simple
>DICE CALL!!
>Copy paste the next line into the email field.
dice+2d20

Aside from that, I had earlier this thread raised the ideas of (and some in last thread)
1. contacting the vampire who rules the city state in raupe who is independent of taour and seeing what he has to say about his special status and vampires in general
2. Have our mages contact the mages in the taurian towers, scare them with the figures on the death tolls in our engagements so far for their mages, and see if we can perhaps get them to defect (even if only when we invade the city).

So, are the vampires the sole always chaotic evil race mentioned previously?

Because whether or not they are will greatly impact my intentions for them.

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>Exceptional success; Target not met

Arail’s too busy to provide you the report over the sending device but the paper report your received is proof of why. He managed to take out a lot of the supplies the Taourans were taking with them. To make matters even better, he managed to seize a magitech factory the Taourans were trying to escape with and it seems it’s a mostly repaired factory responsible for creating MMK plate. It will still need several weeks work at the least to be fully functioning but it certainly saves you a lot of expense and difficulty in trying to create your own template for medium plate. Combined with the significant Taouran casualties, you’d say that’s a resoundingly successful operation.

Unfortunately, the attempts to establish contact with a force in Darlesia was unsuccessful. It doesn’t appear that there’s any major forces able to be contacted – the military, rebellion and mage towers have all been quashed. All that remain are civilians and criminals. You’ll need to move fast to seize the city at this rate, because otherwise the RSK or League will move on it once they realise Taour has forfeited the city. You request Nier to keep an eye on RSK politics around the issue and Sarah to see if she can’t get help from the mage towers to monitor the League.

The relocation of all the prisoners from Hiien go well – perhaps a hundred thralls were found, mostly in the defending soldiers. No vampires of any kind were found. You had the thralls shipped to Harrowmont for your research and continued with the evacuation normally otherwise.

As you consider what to do with Hiien now that it’s almost completely evacuated, you receive a message.

>continued

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>>31576627
‘Dear Imperator Talon York,

My servants have suggested that you are now the ruler of this province in place of the city of Taour. I offer my congratulations on becoming the ruler of Raupe.

My castle and surrounding lands have enjoyed independent rule of Taour since its inception as a nation-state. I hope that this arrangement can continue under your rule. I will gladly pay any necessary agricultural and property taxes and allow you the use of the land surrounding my castle for your own purposes.

If this arrangement is not conducive to your intentions then I could send a messenger to discuss it in person before any rash decisions are made.

Sincerely,
Lady Aladria Serat’

You scratch your head a bit. You don’t think you’ve had quite such an offer made to you yet.

>1. Leave Castle Dalrec be for now
>2. Take Aladria up on her offer of a meeting
>3. March on Castle Dalrec.
>4. Custom

>>31576646
>2. Take Aladria up on her offer of a meeting
on the one hand, i am disinclined to attack him any time soon since we are already dealing with taur. then again, he might have some loyalty to them we don't know of and will backstab us. A meeting could help us learn more about him, his motives... and vampires in general.

>>31576646
>Vampire message.
Hm...Our first Vassal perhaps?
I mean, I might be okay with it, as long as the vampire does not feed upon the citizens, and keeps to themselves.

>2
We should discuss matters and make sure there is no mistake what we're getting into.

Oh also I'm a little confused, I thought we got an 18 for the first roll and a nat 20 for the second one? Did I misread?

>>31576710
You rolled 18, 7, 20 for the first roll but 5, 11, 3 for the second.

>>31576760
Ah, I realize, I am just saying, I thought you took them by grouping. Like
>>31576279
>>31576286
>>31576305
Went
18,5,7
Then
11,20,3

But my bad, I didn't know you took them differently.

>>31576710
eh, i am mostly considering backstabbing him at the moment for being a vampire
i only consider him as vassal if we inspect it and find out he has some really enlightened arrangement. like, vampires don't have to be dicks and the taour ones were just greedy and psychopathic

>>31576850
Basically my thoughts too. His thrall power is dangerous, and I don't see why we should let him live if it means putting security at risk. Unless he has something significant to offer, or ensures he will not be a problem.

>>31576874
oh, i was actually more concerned about the huge political repercussions of sheltering a vampire after the whole vampire menace thing

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>2.

You have your soldier give a message back to the young boy who delivered the first message, after Vad confirms he’s not thralled. You invite Aladria, or her messenger as she indicates, to return here as soon as possible.

The sooner you’re out of here, even if you still plan on holding Hiien, the sooner you can see what the seven-tailed fox that just arrived in Vitria has done to piss off Mal so much. Probably barged into his workshop unannounced. Or showed him up in front of Nier.

>Alright, I’m going to end the thread here as most players have probably gone to sleep.

Oddly, the other thread is still alive. Damn, /tg/ is slower than usual tonight.

I’m tentatively planning next thread to be on the 23rd at 6pm EDT, followed by threads on the two following days. This depends on how much of my prep work I get done. For this week, prep work takes priority over threads.

I’ll take some questions and comments in this thread but my response rate may be slow as I’ll be doing other things.

Thanks for participating, folks.

>>31576646
>2. Take Aladria up on her offer of a meeting

Maybe soon, or maybe later. If we can get her alliance and some other stuff, I would not be dissatisfied with leaving he be. Mostly.

I really wonder why taur let him be independent city state...
ooh, i wonder if he has a source!

>>31576850
Vampires don't have to be dicks, there's a grand total of one naturally evil race in the entire setting.
>>31576874
We're already researching the thrall thing, I doubt that'll be a problem much longer.
>>31576909
This is a legitimate concern.

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>>31576912
>23
>right after my birthday

Very happy. I really enjoy your quest Aspie. You are are pretty good guy so far as I have seen.

>>31576912
Aw man. I was totally prepared to keep going.
Aw well. It was fun Aspirational. Thanks for being a champ like always.
>Questions
How fucked would we have been if Taour had the balls to come barreling down on us with all those Veterans?

Otherwise
>Highlight moments
Probably the speech we had with the surviving bloodfarm guys. Capes, angel lights, it was great.

Anything you wish had gone differently, or wanted us to do that we didn't maybe?
I assume those magic crystals are gonna become important.

>>31576948
>Vampires don't have to be dicks, there's a grand total of one naturally evil race in the entire setting.
assuming vampires are a race rather then "corrupted humans".
Also, the vampires might BE that one single naturally evil race.

that being said, i imagine its their recruitment method that is making them be dicks. taour probably doesn't force people into vamparism but grants it as a top honor people can attain.

>>31577067
I had earlier mentioned neutering vamps (remove thralling, make blood need be sated by animal blood).
Well, what if binding a pop to talon allows that within his domain?

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>>31576978
>How fucked would we have been if Taour had the balls to come barreling down on us with all those Veterans?
I can't really answer that without affecting future decisions you guys make.

>Aw man. I was totally prepared to keep going.
I could run longer, but I don't think I could write any social stuff worth a damn right now and I'm concerned about doing too much plot stuff with most of the playerbase absent.

>Anything you wish had gone differently, or wanted us to do that we didn't maybe?
The conservative approach to the second tower in Hiien. You guys are usually a little more risky.

>I assume those magic crystals are gonna become important.
They'll have their place, trust me. We're still in early days, despite my terrible pacing of the quest compared to the scale of things.

>>31576958
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I do wonder which of those life-stages of Shinobu you like the most, though. Aladria isn't a blonde but it would be interesting.

>>31577067
The 'always chaotic evil' race hasn't appeared yet. It may never appear in the quest. You've seen its handiwork however, if indirectly. Being always evil is very otherworldly.

Mind you, vampires do tend towards evil. Drinking blood from humans is in their nature, though how evil you consider that (given they don't have to kill the person) is another matter.

>>31577067
Vampires may not have to be evil, but they certainly have a negative effect on morale just by existing. If we did leave this vampire alive (and I'm not saying we will) then we'd need to keep it a secret, work out a deal with the vampire to have absolutely no human feasting, and to release all thralls. Harsh terms, perhaps, but I'd say we have the upper hand here, being the guy with the army of 5K+ and astral powers we can use to tear apart Daywalkers.

And yeah, it's mostly Taour that's the dicks here. Not vampires in general. Still, I agree that their presence is not a pleasant one. I am actually curious as to how Daywalkers are made, and what the 'first vampire' was, if it's a race or just a curse like lycanthropy.

>>31577100
>Do in our domain
I assume so, but it'd only be temporary. That's the sad part about that awesome power.

>>31577105
>I can't really answer that without affecting future decisions you guys make.
Aw, fair enough.

>I could run longer, but I don't think I could write any social stuff worth a damn right now and I'm concerned about doing too much plot stuff with most of the playerbase absent.
yeah, I understand man. I was just saying I enjoy it so much I didn't want it to stop is all heh.

>The conservative approach to the second tower in Hiien. You guys are usually a little more risky.
Hm. We are? I am not sure what it would've gotten us, but I assume disrupting the first ritual is what caused the chain reaction.

>They'll have their place, trust me. We're still in early days, despite my terrible pacing of the quest compared to the scale of things.
Heh, I'm sure and can't wait for Taour's conquer to become final. One more enormous battle, I predict. Now comes the part where we pick apart their territories, and sink down until only Taour remains, where we can hit them with everything we got (I hope).

>>31577105
>The 'always chaotic evil' race hasn't appeared yet. It may never appear in the quest. You've seen its handiwork however, if indirectly. Being always evil is very otherworldly.

I still think it's Fae.
Or demons. I am super hyped for our first battle with a demon. They usually have the best 'I AM THE BEST AND YOU ARE TRASH" speeches.

>>31577105
12-16

Hebephile reporting for duty.

>>31577105
>>31577560
27 for waifu, especially if she's wearing 18's clothes.
8 for cute little sister/daughteru.

I cannot find lolis sexually attractive, they punch me straight in the big brother instincts.

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>>31577560
>>31577632
I have good news and bad news, anons. The good news is for me that you probably won't meet Aladria for a while. The bad news is that you don't find out where she falls on the chart until then.

Also, I'm struggling to find a good way to show regional divides on the province-level map. Perhaps a dotted line along the province borders?

Also, creating data for all of these new provinces will probably make me want to kill myself. I'll probably be making economic provinces slightly more sparse now that each province is less important unless inspiration strikes.

>>31577774
You can always ask for help, Aspir.
I'm sure many anons would be fine helping you with province design.

>>31577774
World building is always roughest man, but I'd just like to say I thank you for all the work you put into this shit for us.
Like it or not, I've never really seen a QM that cared quite that much.
So..well yeah, thank you. I'd like to help if I could but I am just a lone anon.

>>31577809
Yeah, I'd love to help contribute to this awesome fucking world and take some load off my fav QM.

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>>31577809
>>31577832
Well, if you can think of interesting things that provinces might contain that could have strategic or economic impact, that would be good. My knowledge can be a bit sketchy on these sorts of things.

If you can think of different sorts of things for provinces to contain other than the existing ones (towns, cities, castles, temples/monasteries etc), that would be good too.

>>31577866
Widespread forest/jungle can have a lot of impact, as can lack of water/nutrients in the soil.

An entrance to a tunnel system that connects to other, non-adjacent provinces maybe?

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>>31577816
>>31577832
Oh, also province, castle, town and city names. Because I am terrible at them to the point where I'm probably going to steal a million historical names.

>>31577966
>Widespread forest/jungle can have a lot of impact, as can lack of water/nutrients in the soil.
True. If the area is harder to farm, that would reduce tax take in the area for one. I might be able to use the forest one, too.

>>31577866
Sure. Let's see if I can't think of some stuff.
>Strategic & Economic
>Natural Springs: Provides fresh water to region that would normally lack or require imports of such a thing. May also serve as natural rest stop, if it were an oasis.
>Overgrown forests: Areas of dense (maybe magically overgrown) forests due to lack of logging, provide plenty of woodworking products, and other stuff made from wood. Might also make for difficult scouting for archers or hamper movement
>Lava vents: Could be used as power source, hazard, etc.
>Sinkholes: For one reason or another, the land below is often hollow, making sudden sink holes possible. May be due to old mines (of suspect use) but makes marching armies of certain sizes over them difficult.
>Violent Wildlife: Unless particularly powerful, armies moving through here take attrition damage. The longer they stay within, the more damage they take. (You know more about the dangerous wildlife then me)
>Floodplains: While often the lands are wet and difficult to tread through (harder to move in) they provide an excellent boost to all farming efforts with less need for magics.
>Spice deposits: Some manner of plant grows nearby that acts as a manner of drug, which keeps populations surprisingly relaxed and carefree. Boosts public order (perhaps morally questionable/health problems?)
>Lookout Towers: (may be obsolete, not sure) But allows for increased sighting into enemy territory, and increases enemy reaction time to your troop movements.
>Monster/Barbarian tribes: (Again, you know more about monsters then me, just suggestion) Areas plagued by monster activity for too long (or who lack armed defense for too long) have these sprout up, which launch attacks on any settlement that is vulnerable enough. Easy enough to clear out for well armed forces (perhaps get more dangerous in some places?)

>>31578024
>Names
Heh. Well you have me there Aspirational. I am absolutely terrible at those. If you made up all the ones so far, tho, I like them a lot. I'd just say go to historical names, and twist them ever so slightly.
So
>Sparta
becomes
>Spartaria
Or what have you. Yes I am that bad to think that was a good twist shut up.

Anyway, you said all these empires are based off real empires anyway, right? Why not use their names? Seems more appropriate to me.

>>31578058
>Anyway, you said all these empires are based off real empires anyway, right? Why not use their names?
That was partly the plan. And they're only very loosely based off real countries/empires.

>>31578040
Oh, and thanks anon. The wildlife and tribal ones aren't useful due to how heavily developed the world otherwise is but the rest could be useful.

>>31577866
>>31578151
No prob. I'll just keep running my mouth for a sec, till I run out.

>Jungles: Exotic, unique magical wildlife that finds its way into civilization. Perhaps even a chance of a disease powerful enough to not just wipe away with magic (plagues?)
>Coast: Possibly vulnerable to tsunami, if some natural disaster of that sort took place. Beyond that, provides access to the sea.
>Independent Nations: Ones that exist within larger empires, but do not recognize authority. Could simply be neutral, or perhaps they indulge in obscene acts: Such as cannibalism, devil worship, or some other lawlessness. Would obviously have impacts depending on origin (from negative morale, to decreased farming/mining actvity)
>Metropolis: Larger then a normal town, would perhaps be the capital of nations, have multi-level walls, with complex defense networks, underground tunnels and channels, immensely more pollution and waste then normal towns with large populations. (Mainly would differ in being a notable symbol.
>Plague-Touched: For one reason or another, things refuse to grow, or live in an area. Heavily impacts all town activities obviously, and would need to remove the source, whatever it may be. Perhaps have a deep sense of dread for all who enter it, useful against large armies with weak morale?
>Parasite Fungus: This wet region may contain some strange manner of fungus that is able to feed on humanoid creatures, if given the chance. Marching, or settling near them would result in decreased morale, and perhaps even losing some to mind controlling fungus, depending on you. Clouds of spores may hamper vision as well, or make breathing harder (exhaust faster)

I think that's all I got in me right now. Hope I helped out some, though.

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For those who see this, a preview of the extended province map sans detail.

I'll take any feedback on questionable design decisions.

>>31578359
>Questionable
Not really for me. But...I am a little surprised at the size of some of those regions sizes. For instance, I thought the independents/Farun would be far easier to absorb but...they're pretty damn large (unless each section is independent)

Also the Magi League are huuuge man. My prediction is after we absorb Taour, we'll need to move north, or south and start absorbing land that way. We can't really fight Magi League.

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>>31578416
The Farun/Independents area is three small nations in one. I'll give them all separate colours shortly. It is a smaller area, btw. Regions have between 10-15 provinces. Half-regions between 5-7 provinces.

And yes, the superpowers are pretty damned huge. Of course, they're suffering the usual issues superpowers do as a result.

Now, I just need to remember where the hell I actually placed Ahm. My notes actually contradict themselves - my QM notes say I put it in the region one more to the west but my map notes say it's in the region now visible in the province map. Guess it's time for an archive dive to see if I ever mentioned specifically.

>>31578443
Three separate nations, huh? Then yeah, reasonably easier to absorb then any unified nation. I feel a little uncomfortable having ML so close, and MG close too, but I suppose it wouldn't be land worth taking if it wasn't dangerous somehow.

>Problems Superpowers usually suffer
I take it mostly public order problems, since dealing with the needs of every town is gotta be hard at that level.

>Ahm
I do not recall you mentioning it, but I have a rather poor member. Luckily, it should be pretty easy to search for, what with control+f being a thing.

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>>31578472
>I do not recall you mentioning it, but I have a rather poor member. Luckily, it should be pretty easy to search for, what with control+f being a thing.
It's the Magi League capital and the only two mentions I've made of its location are also somewhat contradictory. The lorebin implies that Ahm is very close to the Sithran mountains whereas Mercenie mentioned that Ahm is very close to your territory - probably because I wrote that dialogue thinking the PoP was in it (which was the original plan).

So I guess that means Ahm is your next-door neighbour. Try not to make Alyce too angry. She might be able to hit your house from up on hers.

>I take it mostly public order problems, since dealing with the needs of every town is gotta be hard at that level.
Actually, I was talking about the separatist problems both the RSK and League are having. The RSK's most capable mage is in open rebellion and they're having difficulties holding the western-most region. The League is having factional and ideological differences mostly stemming from the areas not directly involved in the war with the RSK (but are still supplying troops and resources).

>>31578499
>Ahm is Magi League Capital
>They are literally our neighbor
Hooooly shit. I uh, hope you didn't expect us to ever beat them, because with the capital being that close, that would be one hell of a slugging match.
>She may be able to hit your house from her's
All the more reason to get that PoP bound to us right? "Impenetrable barriers baby"

>RSK having trouble holding the west
That smells like an opportunity to move in if I ever heard one. But I still think taking down the Independents is gonna be wiser. We just need land, and with Superpowers being this close, we risk being starved out of land or resources. I've experienced this problem in plenty of x4 strategy games. We gotta expand and expand quickly.

Oddly, I don't think I would have chosen to hit Taour like we did so soon. But now that we have, we should try rapidly soaking up their other territories since they can not support them anymore (like Darlessia)

Still, that also risks stretching ourselves too thin. Hoping we can have a few seasons of peace after Taour's done to recover and better defend our lands.

>>31578499
>Pic
...
I sorta hope Alyce is a loli. Just because it would be hilarious.

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Last update for the night. Here's where the map stands right now. The next step is going to be the really hard part - populating all the empty hexes.

Also, my economic model I use to estimate the tradeable economy is borked and needs fixing. Somehow it slipped past me that increasing the urban population is always a negative for the economy instead of only being a negative when food supply is outstripped.

>>31578747
You should totally ask around for your players if you need suggestions and such, Aspirational. Maybe some others would be able to help more then I.
Also, that sucks to hear. I see what you meant by 'preparation taking priority'. I hope it doesn't take up too much of your time.

>>31578747
Question: What do salt mines give us, exactly?

Rolled 8

>>31578801
salt

>>31578804
Har har.
I meant economic wise.

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>>31578747
And my model is fixed now. I was using a fixed weight for urban population relative to the total pop in place of the actual urban pop in one spot.

>>31578801
Right now, sadly, nothing. Something I need to rectify given I have some plans for events surrounding tradeables and exports/imports and the way you can use them.

Given how trade is so heavily taxed, my first thoughts are to represent home-grown resources as contributing to the economy more than imported resources as the taxes cause deadweight loss. I could also use this to model trade deals if they come up.

>>31578830
>Salt becomes trade resource
Nice. I wonder if we can't turn things like wine, textiles, dyes and shit into that?
Even if most of it is handled by magic and such.

Oh also, I find it hilarious the closest PoP is guarded by the worlds most badass mage. You did that to tease us on purpose didn't you?

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>>31578842
>Oh also, I find it hilarious the closest PoP is guarded by the worlds most badass mage. You did that to tease us on purpose didn't you?
Ayep. Guess whose PoP it is, too?

>Nice. I wonder if we can't turn things like wine, textiles, dyes and shit into that?
Actually, given that I'm only making slow headway into major trade good research I'll gladly take suggestions on important trade goods and exports/imports. For instance, I learnt that olive oil was a big deal in the Roman Empire the other day.

>>31578853
>Trade items
Oh yeah man, Romans loved to give Olive Oil massages with their giant orgy sex parties.
...
Roman was a fucked up place.

Anyway, societies back then loved stuff to do with fruits. Dates, grapes(wine), olives, fresh meat, Vinegar, salt, spices, all sorts of shit like that was noble style valuable. Dyes of like purple went for huge sums too, because those guys apparently loved purple.

Hell, look up a game called CivCity Rome, if you have time. The entire game is built around building the most hedonistic society of romans possible. Might give you plenty of ideas.

>Spoilers
Oh god. I remember you said Gnome's was somewhere else, I think...
Undine's? Or worse, Sylph's? Oh fuck it's Sylph's isn't it?

We shall never have the complete set. This saddens me.

>>31578883
Gnome's is in the Sithran mountains. You already claimed Undine's under the Marnn mountains. Sylph's is to the north in the Mage Guard territory, near a PoP actually connected to your Source.

No, this belongs to one particular person.

And yes, the ancient uses of olive oil are somewhat frightening. I'm happy enough using it with my pasta, thank you very much.

Rolled 5

>>31578914
That elven champion, what was her name?

>>31578914
>Marnn Mountains
Oh, right, the mountains right there. Duh.

I meant to ask, if we already have them summoned, does having their particular PoP do anything special? Or is it just where they originate from?

>One particular person
I don't think it was Sala...I thought we heard about her's elsewhere...uh...
Shit. Now I am worried. I might just be tired/retarded and be forgetting though.

And oh, yeah you can always use Olive Oil for massages but...without the giant orgies.

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>>31578941
Mercenie? It's not hers - she wasn't a Champion candidate and she's not in the mystery box. The only PoPs that appear on the map are those attuned to your Source. Mercenie is probably attuned to a different PoP.

>>31578951
Sala's is down in RSK territory. It's actually in some territory rebelling against the RSK as Grand Magister Darvui's tower is located nearby.

Basically, it belongs to either Saareg (the super revenant) or one of the two fluffy tails Champions candidates, Ren and Taira.

>>31578974
...
Oh dear.
And...if I recall right, the super undead guy was one of THE most powerful beings in the setting one on one, right?

Man...we ain't never gonna be able to knock on Alyn's door. Not without some serious power ups.

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>>31579004
>the super undead guy was one of THE most powerful beings in the setting one on one, right?
Yeah, Saareg's a walking, talking ball of destruction. Of course, he's still around and serving a divine being of some sort, the general identity of whom is pretty obvious from his char sheet in retrospect (his was probably the only character sheet I shouldn't have released). He's not that famous, though, as you certainly haven't heard of him IC.

Anyway, I'm going to bed so I'll see you and all the other players whenever. I'm not saying next thread because I said that countless times in that thread the other week.

>>31579068
Doesn't surprise me that one that powerful wants to lay low. I can only hope when we do meet him he's on our side and not the other way around.

Night Aspirational. You're the coolest guy around, see you then.

>>31577188
>And yeah, it's mostly Taour that's the dicks here. Not vampires in general.
it is worth noting that all the taur mages we fought so far were not thralls and the horrific blood magics being done in those towers was mages. completely normal mortal mages

>>31577188
>I assume so, but it'd only be temporary. That's the sad part about that awesome power.
oh, i don't think it will last outside our domain. just saying that if we get a vamp we absolutely must cut a deal with... well we have empty mannors in harrowmont

>>31578040
>Violent Wildlife: Unless particularly powerful, armies moving through here take attrition damage. The longer they stay within, the more damage they take. (You know more about the dangerous wildlife then me)
oooh, this reminds me the magical creature mount idea we had

>>31578974
What about the PoP in the elves land?

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>>31580405
this reminds me, we used to have a pop map with some info.

here is map, i will have to look through older threads for info

>>31580812
alright, some info

1) Undine's, bound to gnome as talon's familiar
2)
3) Either Saareg (the super revenant) or one of the two fluffy tails Champions candidates, Ren and Taira.
4)Gnome
5)
6)
7)Salamander

Points 1,4, and 7:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29334970/#p29340947
Point 3:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/31574810/#p31578974

I remember there being more, will take some time to find

>Taur killed off all the rebel mages in darlesia
well crap :(

>>31580942
Sareeg is mostly probably 6 and Ren 2.

>>31581016
that is a logical guess, but i am looking for confirmed info by QM

>>31581088
I doubt that he released more info about it, he said that was taking care to not tell what PoP belonged to who, so we wouldn't find where Taira is and go there to recruit her.

>>31581123
heh. :)

taira isn't in her pop though, elementals are bound to their pop, but fluffy tails don't require one and can just bind one for extra power and then go whereever in the world they want.

Also, it appears there were only 6 candidates, so only 6 of the 7 pops are actually owned. And we know the names of all 6 people now (Saareg, Ren, Taira, Gnome, Undine, Salamander)

IIRC we got more info when we asked gnome because he said some of it she would know.
Gnome knows where several more sources are (although only 2 are on this continent and to the south of the wall of marie) and she knows where her sister's pops are (including knowing where sylph's pop is, she told us. sylph's pop is NOT bound to our source but to a different source)

>>31574810
Aspir, can you post the current map resources? I am the guy who did the upgraded it last time and I was thinking of making a few more upgrades you could use (or discard, your choice).

>>31581174
>taira isn't in her pop though,

Aspie disagree with you.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/29424835/#p29430234

>>31581338
all he said was that knowing where her pop is will allow us to go on a trip to find her, not that she is INSIDE her pop.
I strongly suspect that if we reach a pop that someone is bound to, we get to choose whether to rebind it to us, or magically track them down based on their link to the pop.

I've always wondered the long ramifications of Talon binding PoPs to himself. It was mentioned that this quest is set in the past of the setting, so I wonder who is telling the tale. Would a bonded PoP be enough for someone to summon a long dead Talon as a champion in the future?

>>31581420
>Would a bonded PoP be enough for someone to summon a long dead Talon as a champion in the future?
if talon is killed while bound to a pop, then yes. he would become a candidate champion for whomever captures the related source in the future

>>31581449
>Talon killed
>Sarah summons him as her champion and husbando
although, she would have to go through sala, undine, and gnome to do that. unless undine died with talon

>>31581419
>all he said was that knowing where her pop is will allow us to go on a trip to find her, not that she is INSIDE her pop.
So? You're the one that implied that she's there and not me, mate. I only said in the fist post that Aspie took care to not release more info about what PoP belonged to who, why we would be able to find where Taira is and go there recruit her and that was confirmed by Aspie, I never said or even implied that she was in her PoP, only close enough that finding her PoP would allow us to find her.

>>31581591
oh, good point. i was being silly here

>>31581420
>>31581449
I honestly think its a bad idea to bound a POP so earlier with the mage league righht next to us.

>>31582328
I generally agree. I'd much rather give Undine the next PoP we find. I also think Talon is bordering on OP as it is. His upper limits thus far have been our imagination/rolls. Plus I want to see tier 2 Undine wrecking shop

>>31582328
We were just discussing the technicalities. I don't know about the other guy but in >>31581449 I was definitely not advocating binding a pop to talon.
I think binding a pop to talon should be done after we get 4 pops for undine and she is at max power.

that being said. after taur is conquered we will have some downtime. I am thinking that instead of a timeskip we have our hero units travel and bind a bunch of pops. it should take a few months due to all that travel time

>>31580343
True, that just proves anyone can be dicks, not just vampires. Vampires just have a nasty reputation, and the whole 'needing to feed on blood' thing. I still say, if we even consider letting that one vampire live in peace, we absolutely need to come to terms of 'no human feeding'. Just flat no. If people found out, it'd be devastating to our public order.

>>31580356
I suppose you have a point, though I don't know if the vampire will want to abandon it's home.

>>31580393
Heh, well yeah, but according to Aspirational, most of the world is civilized, which is a shame for that idea. I figured there were still places where wild things lived. Good news I suppose, so monsters don't ambush us when we don't need it.

>>31585057
I don't think it is possible for them to not feed on humans.
although I guess willing NON thralled humans who are PAID for their trouble might be ok. it will still be very bad for morale because the average person wants them all exterminated.
I voted to talk with him because I want to get more info mainly. info about vampires, etc

>>31585057
>Heh, well yeah, but according to Aspirational, most of the world is civilized
most isn't all

>>31585178
PS. another thing i wanted to find out is if he had a history of atrocities or not (like the blood magic we just witnessed)

>>31585178
Eh, yeah basically. We need more info and even if we can't keep this vampire alive, it'd be good to know one that isn't a huge dick.

>>31585203
Fair enough

>>31585178
I think that we can talk a bit with the population, killing everyone of a race just because they need to feed in human blood when they don't need to kill is a pretty non-Talon for me. We in general tend to accept being of other races pretty damn easily and I'm sure that we can find a alternative for this one.

You know, Neir's territory is adjacent to Olmm it would be such a pity if when Taour invaded Olmm they sent a raiding party across the border to massacre some of her subjects, requiring her to send her forces to punish Taour, and aid us.

Of course, it would be an even greater pity if we tricked taour into thinking we were planning something like that with our copious supply of captured Taouran equipment, when really all we were trying to do is paralyze their southern army while we secured Darlesea. Bonus points if we can rapidly increase the city guard by importing mundane equipment into the city from the RSK using Marcus's contacts. Honestly we should make an effort to bolster the Olmm and Darlesea territorials as much as feasable anyway.

>>31585270
well... the taur ones need to be killed because of the atrocities they perpetuated not because of their race.
we would have to do some serious culling of their mages too when we conquer them since the blood ritual those mages were doing shows that a lot of them are dr mengele tier monsters.
Generally I imagine they only vampirize those who "earn" that via service rather then random forced vampirizations. Although it is possible for there to exist some innocent vampires, we will deal with those if and when we find them..

>>31585324
her forces are under the command of one of RSK top generals rather then her own. and invading her would be a declaration of war on the RSK, a super power with 15 times our territory. Also, they have a massive army near us and have had a lack of fighting with the league for the last month or so even since lord ember went insane, meaning their army is fully able and ready to rape the fuck out of us (and a solid reason for us to take darlesia ASAP so they can't take it without declaring war on us, which they don't want at the moment)

>>31585270
That is bullshit, though. One of the first things he said in regards to vampires is that he wants to eliminate the bloodsucker menace. He is clearly against things he perceives as evil. He can be convinced otherwise in particular situations, but not for the whole of a basically evil race. If alyce is amenable to us, we can deal, but she is only a possible exception, not the rule.

Hey guys just going to bring up something.

>Should you wish to continue then I tell you this: Perin’s weakness is his lady. Or so I believe. I do not believe he has sired any children, unlike myself with my beloved Aladria, but there is a lady of some form that is the key to his seeming immortality. It could be metaphorical. Or perhaps he has some woman locked up in a tower in the middle of Pharos.

>Should you wish to continue then I tell you this: Perin’s weakness is his lady. Or so I believe. I do not believe he has sired any children, unlike myself with my beloved Aladria

>I do not believe he has sired any children, Unlike myself with my beloved Aladria
>Aladria

>Once again, I implore you as a friend to stop. I’ll return in a fortnight once I’ve thralled this Seraph general. We can speak more then.

>>31585512
Oh my.
Vengeance plot?

>>31585270

Talon really doesn't seem the type to care about race. As long as they don't mess with his subjects or him he probably won't care. It honestly just depends on what she offers.

>>31585445
>her forces are under the command of one of RSK top generals rather then her own. and invading her would be a declaration of war on the RSK, a super power with 15 times our territory. Also, they have a massive army near us and have had a lack of fighting with the league for the last month or so even since lord ember went insane, meaning their army is fully able and ready to rape the fuck out of us (and a solid reason for us to take darlesia ASAP so they can't take it without declaring war on us, which they don't want at the moment)
...That's not what I was suggesting at all. I was saying we pass false information to Taour that we are planning, with the connivance of the ambassador of the RSK, to frame them for a territorial violation if they move their armies too close to the border. What we're actually planning to do is grab Darlesia and then fortify it while they're busy looking for nonexistent evidence of our fake plot. And then laughing at them once they figure out they've been had of course.

>>31585506
Aladria, you mean?
>>31585512
Shit. Vampire milf? Dammit, we are going to have to deal with the morality of killing kids born as vampires, aren't we? There's a shitstorm brewing, mark my words.

>>31585568
Either that or she wants to protect those kids he was talking about. Could be either or none depending on her personality. She might be after something else.

>>31585445
I agree with everything you said about the vampires, I jut don't want us to just kill all vampires just because they're vampire.

About the RSK, don't forget about the rebellion led by the most powerful mage in RSK with help of a dragon, I'm confident that their army is trying to stop it and definitely not fully able and ready to rape us.

>>31585610
>Shit. Vampire milf? Dammit, we are going to have to deal with the morality of killing kids born as vampires, aren't we?
I don't think it is possible for a child to be born a vampire. vampires are humans who have been transformed

>>31585597
I agree and I think that even if she don't offer much, if she just don't go around killing or thralling people and keep it to herself should be enough to spare her.

>>31585663
Vampires are associated with blood, I'm fairly sure vampirism would be passed on to kids.

>>31585608
>I was saying we pass false information to Taour that we are planning
ok, this is more logical than attacking the RSK
problem 1. how do we pass them this info?
problem 2. why would they believe such info is anything but a ruse (see above explanation)
problem 3. they are currently turtling. they will probably wait until we are actually crushed by RSK before grabbing some terriotires and going after furlone instead of risking attacking us on such info

>>31585707
Vampires are undead and cannot have kids. in every vampire fiction the terms for making kids are used for the act of transforming a human into a vampire.

>>31585737
Not him, but depend in the setting and many of these settings Vampires can have children and the child is also a Vampire.

>>31585642
>About the RSK, don't forget about the rebellion led by the most powerful mage in RSK with help of a dragon, I'm confident that their army is trying to stop it and definitely not fully able and ready to rape us.
You are forgetting a recent event of note. they have been at constant war... until more than a month ago when the fighting completely stopped (when ember went nuts, most likely RSK agreed to stop attacking while the magi leagues fight him, its a win win for them; either the magi win and then they attack a weakened league, or they lose but weaken ember)

>>31585721
1. Any spies they have that we've identified and doubled. Alternatively, have a noble of our choice approach them to pass the information.
2. See above, this should be coming from their own agents
3. Why would the RSK be attacking us? We aren't doing anything to them. Also, we want them to turtle while we grab Darlesia. We're running a bluff in the south after all.

>>31585737
>in every vampire fiction
Dhampyr, an example of vampires managing to have kids, admittedly not with another vamp, but whatever.

Plus, I'm not sure vamps are undead in this 'verse, though I'm hopeful. (non-living girls are my fetish)

>>31585761
Well, we will just have to find out.
One thing of note is that "ending the vampire menance" doesn't have to be "complete and total annihilation of the race"
Than again, I am actually leaning towards such an act. this isn't an allegory for different colored humans not getting along. there are real and meaningful differences. namely that one species is a predator that eats another species. Its not NICE but that is life.

>>31585796
1. No such thing
2. I wouldn't believe such a thing even if it came from my own agents
3. You said you want to trick taour into believing that we invaded the RSK and they are retaliating. I am saying that if you succeed and they believe this has transpired, they will NOT be rushing in to grab our territories before the RSK can, instead they will just sit back while the RSK kills us while licking their wounds.

>>31585796
correcting my post in >>31585853
1. we don't have such agents. if we sent a "noble of our choice' he will be thralled and reveal the plot. how would we even get a noble to willingly go into the hands of vampires?

>>31585773
That's with the mage league anon, the rebellion in the RSK is another thing completely different.

>>31585853
>Than again, I am actually leaning towards such an act. this isn't an allegory for different colored humans not getting along. there are real and meaningful differences. namely that one species is a predator that eats another species. Its not NICE but that is life.

Aspir has already said that vamps don't have to kill in order to feed, once our thrall research bears fruit and if we can pass laws banning vamps from feeding on the unwilling (also set up blood banks? Donate/sell blood to be magically preserved for purchase and consumption by vamps.) then that's most of the problems removed.

>>31585796
Lets not get foreign powers involved in this. If they did jump in whats stopping them from just saying. "Oh all the land we just took? Ours now."

>>31585930
Fucking this.

>>31585930
I doubt we will bother with it that much.

>>31585916
oh, oh right.
well, the thing is this iteration of the magi league actually started out as a rebellion against the RSK as far as I understand. And now they have a new seperate mage rebellion

>>31585930
>Aspir has already said that vamps don't have to kill in order to feed
I know they don't have to KILL in order to feed.
but they are still predators who feed on humans exclusively and posses mindrape powers. what happens when one of them is too poor to afford food? What happens when a vampire is starving due to just being trapped in a cave for a few days and doesn't have the willpower to not suck the first person he meets to death? What happens when a vampire is a psychopath or just unscrupulus or wants to gain a lot of power quickly?
what happens is humans become victims to a powerful supernatural predator.

oh, and it is actually a very slow and difficult process to screen people for thralldom.

... actually, this is something we can get our research on. A magitech device that detects thralls. Mass produce it.

>>31585944
good point, we went to a fuckton of effort to break the tauors spine here, lets not give away the rewards. we also got a deal with magi league so they don't take the lands. but none with the RSK, we need to grab darlessia ASAP so that there is a physical block such that they CANNOT grab taour land without declaring war on us (something harder to do than just capturing an undefended darlessia)

>>31586000
>Magiteck to detect thralls
Eh. Probably not necessary. I mean, after Taour is done, are there even any other large groupings of vampires? I don't see or know of any.

>>31586000
Speaking of what happens...

what happens when a vampire sires a couple of daywalkers and they decide they want to be in charge? Taour happens, that is what. we would have ended putting them down while sowing the seeds of the next Taour

>>31586000
>oh, oh right.
>well, the thing is this iteration of the magi league actually started out as a rebellion against the RSK as far as I understand. And now they have a new seperate mage rebellion

We don't know if it's a separate mage rebellion, all that we know is that the most powerful mage in the RSK with the help of a hellish powerful dragon is in open rebellion against them and while is possible the motive of the rebellion is the anti-mage policy adopted recently, it can be pretty much anything.

>>31586055
>Eh. Probably not necessary. I mean, after Taour is done, are there even any other large groupings of vampires? I don't see or know of any.
This was a reply to those suggesting we don't perform a genocide of vampires but allow some to live in our lands.

Even if we do go for genocide route, when/if taour falls, a large portion of their populace will go underground. from rulers to hiding.

Also, we don't know how long it will take us to take taour, they are turtling now, it could take another 6 months to take them out...

also, they could be sending lone agents to infiltrate and destabilize our lands.. heck, they are CERTAIN to be doing that.

besides that, it would be a big morale boost.

>>31586000
>what happens when one of them is too poor to afford food?
Improbable, given the tech level/average wealth of the setting and the attractiveness of vamps as physically adept, immortal (thus experienced) workers that are not only capable of but actively prefer night shifts.

>What happens when a vampire is starving due to just being trapped in a cave for a few days and doesn't have the willpower to not suck the first person he meets to death?
*Very* improbable, did you just pull that particular scenario out of your ass or something? Why exactly would that be a thing that happens?

>What happens when a vampire is a psychopath or just unscrupulus or wants to gain a lot of power quickly?
They get killed by law enforcement/the army, of course.

>Lorebin
>There are two types of vampires. The regular, nocturnal kind who die in sunlight and the rare daywalkers. The former aren't that tough - they can regenerate, are strong and fast but die easy enough if you chop of their head or hit them with some sorcery. At a full moon however, they take on a more bestial form that is immune to anything except serious sorcery. A common mistake is thinking that the bestial form are werewolves - they're just vampires during that time of the month.
when is the next full moon?
The vampires are turtling, maybe they are waiting for full moon to attack us

>>31585853
>3. You said you want to trick taour into believing that we invaded the RSK and they are retaliating. I am saying that if you succeed and they believe this has transpired, they will NOT be rushing in to grab our territories before the RSK can, instead they will just sit back while the RSK kills us while licking their wounds.
That's not what I said. I want to trick Taour into believing that if they get to close to the RSK border they'll be framed for attacking the RSK with the active connivance of local RSK nobles. THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED.

>>31585944
No foreign powers would be involved. Its a bluff.

>>31586116
Yeah pretty much this. We don't really even know how daywalkers work and if some vampire tires to take things just have the local men murder it. I do suggest we kill pretty much all of them though. On the other hand if the vampire surrenders we really don't have a reason to just kill them out of hand.

>>31586116
Agreed.

Honestly, killing everyone in a race because of a bunch of improbable scenarios is dumb as fuck

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>>31581267
I've added a Mega link for my .psd file to the master bin at the very bottom.

>>31585737
>the terms for making kids are used for the act of transforming a human into a vampire.
Tsucchi will explain it when you bring it up so I might as well mention it now - this is true. Many vampires refer to the vampires they've created as their children and siring is a term for turning others into vampires.

>>31581420
>It was mentioned that this quest is set in the past of the setting, so I wonder who is telling the tale.
The quest is already pretty divergent from the setting. Between killing a major character to have a Champion, the Source being found this early, Dalrec being dead and several characters effectively transplanted from the future - things are very different from the setting in the 'present' that I created. Mostly because I wanted things to be interesting.

>>31586158
>when is the next full moon?
About a week from now.

>>31586103
>6 months
Nah, 2-4 at max. Right now, they're in full 'protect thy capital!' mode, and it leaves us free to suck up all of their land and surround them. Our army is now officially large enough to fight them on equal footing, and every territory we take from them, we get more volunteers (and increase our advantage over them)

So they have a few choices. Either
>Rely on the capital's defenses to break our army, and lose all their territory
or
>Give up defender's advantage and attack us when we assault their other territories
Either way, it isn't looking good for them that's for sure.

Sure, some vampires might go into hiding, but they will eventually be rooted out. Maybe not mass produced thrall detectors, but some at the borders would be nice.

>Agents
They've been trying that, actually I believe. We've stopped them most of the time, though.

>>31586158
>thinking that the bestial form are werewolves
Interesting, there's a possibility that Werewolves exist in this setting.

>>31586116
>Improbable, given the tech level/average wealth of the setting and the attractiveness of vamps as physically adept, immortal (thus experienced) workers that are not only capable of but actively prefer night shifts.
not all vampires are 500 years old, and taour vampires are not going to waste their time learning a daytrade

>*Very* improbable, did you just pull that particular scenario out of your ass or something? Why exactly would that be a thing that happens?
It happens all the time to humans.

>They get killed by law enforcement/the army, of course.
No, they don't. They are faster, stronger, stealthier than law enforcement. and they can enthrall law enforcement. You need powerful hero level characters to actually resist enthrallment. Top tier vampires can enthrall even some of our hero units if they can get the chance to.

>>31586177
Yeah but there is always a chance they might just jump in because of that bluff. Would rather just take everything ourselves and not risk getting anywhere near the other powers right now.

>>31586158
>They're waiting for a full moon
>Full moon
>A week from now
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

Fuck, that is not good, I totally forgot about that.

>>31586221
How? We wouldn't even tell them about it.

>>31586212
>They've been trying that, actually I believe. We've stopped them most of the time, though.
we stopped them once. mal ALMOST got thralled, the only reason he wasn't was because lynn detected it with her dragon magics.
That vampire has enthralled all the major officials in town and mal and lynn ended up putting them down (as wellas killing about 50 guards).

>No, they don't. They are faster, stronger, stealthier than law enforcement. and they can enthrall law enforcement. You need powerful hero level characters to actually resist enthrallment. Top tier vampires can enthrall even some of our hero units if they can get the chance to.

Depends on the vampire. Not everyone is a day walker and nightwalker thralls tend to be noticeable and have to feed you blood to thrall.

>>31586177
so you want to trick taur into believe that talon is going to run a false flag operation with neir against them to get the RSK to go to war with them...
and you think "leaking" this info to them will cause them to stop turtling (what we WANT them to do) and throw their full might at us I(what we DON'T want) in a way that actually allows neir to falsely accuse them of attacking her so the RSK attacks them?

because this is still an awful plan.

also
>Hello, this is the RSK speaking
>Yes, this is Taour, our spies have determined that one of your nobles is going to help so and so run a false flag operations in so and so to falsely implicate us in attacking you
>Thanks for letting us know taour, we will handle it

>>31586211
>Next week
well then. that is one possible explanation for them digging in

BTW, I noticed that we rescued 30k people from Hiien. Do we have any idea how many people it normally holds? the entire territory is 460k. So it means most people are in outlying villages rather then the blood farm city. so abandoning the territory might not be ideal after all.

>>31586347
...No, its to convince them to keep turtling. Also, why the fuck would the RSK trust Taour about this plot when they have nothing resembling evidence, because there isn't any since it doesn't exist.

>>31586220
>not all vampires are 500 years old, and taour vampires are not going to waste their time learning a daytrade
We were never going to let Taour's nobility live.

>It happens all the time to humans.
Humans are much more common IRL than in the setting, and humans in-setting are much more common than vamps in-setting.

>No, they don't. They are faster, stronger, stealthier than law enforcement. and they can enthrall law enforcement. You need powerful hero level characters to actually resist enthrallment. Top tier vampires can enthrall even some of our hero units if they can get the chance to.
Nightwalkers enthrall by bloodsucking, Daywalkers are really, really rare and also usually have prohibitive circumstances for enthralling.

>>31586347
>taur
The name is Taour, anon.

Regardless of how we deal with the vampires in the end, assuming they're 'always evil' is ignorant. That is why I wanted to speak with the vampire lady who messaged us. If we can have a reasonable conversation, and turn her away from feeding on humans, and siring more vampires, then she should be allowed to live, I say.

If she can, or will not do any of our demands, then we simply take her castle, and perhaps even imprison her for study.

>>31586347
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you haven't read the guys plan at all.

>>31586344
actually
>Maloric Says: "Vampires also have thralls. The nightwalkers turn anybody they feed on into one but the daywalkers can be more picky.

A nightwalker only has to bite a law enforcement official to make him a thrall. remember that law enforcement officials don't run around with MMK. they are typically like the ones we met in that mining towns. cops. they don't stand a chance against a vamp.
Now, we could create special vampire crime unit. but the cost would be astronomical.

>>31586414
I read it, i just don't understand what the fuck you are trying to say. and with each clarification i get a different idea of what you might have in mind.

can you please walk us through it again, clearly, step by step?

>>31586410
>Regardless of how we deal with the vampires in the end, assuming they're 'always evil' is ignorant
Not a single person in this thread said they are always evil. not even those advocating genocide

>>31586384
Honestly their highly likely not to really care. I mean they would probably trust the RSK to not be retarded and fall for that even if we don't do it and anything like that would be suspect information.

>>31586211
>Tsucchi

Tempted to ask her if she knows that one fox that Talon almost got engaged too.

>>31586453
Yeah honestly I just want to wipe all the vampires that don't surrender out. Which is going to be the vast majority. I'm certain we can find a use for those that remain.

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>>31586367
There were a number of empty cells in Hiien so probably no more than 40k people including a garrison and workers. Also, I moved the 30k population in Hiien from Raupe to Craol and Vale in the latest map.

>>31586426
Nightwalker thralls are more zombielike. I probably mentioned it a while back but didn't put it in the lorebin.

>>31586467
>Tempted to ask her if she knows that one fox that Talon almost got engaged too.
I'll try to remember that topic.

>>31586537
>Nightwalker thralls are more zombielike. I probably mentioned it a while back but didn't put it in the lorebin.
that is an important distinction then.

>>31586443
1. Find a method to pass information to Taour in such a fashion as they'll believe it.
2. Tell them that if they invade we'll run a false flag operation (with our large supply of captured Taourian gear) that will potentially bring them into at least local conflict with RSK forces if they move on Darlesea or Olmm. Furthermore that Talon has enough local nobles willing to look the other way to make the charade stick
3. They spend two or three to find out if this is real rather than risk a suicidal incident with the RSK. They find nothing.
4. In the meantime, we've seized Darlesea and imported enough Men at Arms and Archery equipment that (Possibly from the RSK since that rout can't be raided) their force in Crece lacks the manpower to throw us out.
5. Profit

>>31586585
>3. They spend two or three
two or three weeks rather

>>31586537
Hey Aspie, the Fae's world thing work pretty much like what happen if we bind a PoP to the Source/Talon, right?

>>31586537
>I'll try to remember that topic.

I"m hoping she'll show up within 10-15 threads. I imagine the reactions to that story will either be painful or hilarious.

>>31576646
>Dear Imperator Talon York
>you are now the ruler of this province in place of the city of Taour
>My castle and surrounding lands have enjoyed independent rule of Taour since its inception as a nation-state
>Lady Aladria Serat

Oh hey, I just realized the vampire lord ruling the independent nation state is a lady not a lord.
And she was the lady of one of the daywalkers on the council as per the letter we got earlier, see >>31585512

>>31586537
I'll admit, I'm looking forward to Nier's sisters showing up.

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>>31586612
Pretty much. Fae worlds can get pretty unstable as they stretch them into reality but yours won't have that difficulty.

>>31586643
I had wondered if people had noticed that...

>>31580812
Also, I missed this but the new maps do list the PoPs - they're the black stars littered around the continent and province maps.

>>31586643
...I took you this long to realize it was a lady? With the words Lady Aladria Serat written down and Aspirational talking about vampire waifus?

>And she was the lady of one of the daywalkers on the council

I honestly have a suspicion she is a daywalker.

captcha fucked again :(.

>>31586585
1. non trivial task
2. I see no believable or plausible way to make that charade.

also If we had the means for such a thing we would already do so rather then threaten them with doing it

furthermore, they are CURRENTLY turtling. convincing them that we WANT them to turtle more is actually more likely to make them attack to screw our plans rather then having them continue turtling in fear of our threat of what we will do to them if they disrupt our plans to kill them

>>31586674
Hey since your here I'm wondering something. We know if we bind a source to talon he can go full god emperor modo in certain locations. But how high up and down does this radius go?

>>31586674
Oh, if you're still looking for ideas, might I suggest a mini Tenochtitlan in one of Taour's territory.

>>31586674
>Also, I missed this but the new maps do list the PoPs - they're the black stars littered around the continent and province maps.
but they aren't numbered, I was going to put a number inside that for each one.
Also I was going to color code it since there are 3 sources on this continent below the wall. I would give each a color and an icon, then put a map legend listing who owns each one (that we know of)

speaking of, can you add the sources that gnome knows of to the map? as well as any of their pops that she knows of?

>>31586685
>I honestly have a suspicion she is a daywalker.
I suspect she is, yes. but we ALSO know that she was the significant other of a daywalker. whether she is one herself or a nightwalker or even a mortal is unknown to us

>>31586703
He already answered that in past threads.

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>>31586703
It's basically a sphere being projected from the Source, so if he can reach to the top of the keep he could do the same to a depth below the Source. Or if he could reach to the outer walls of Harrowmont, he could do the same well above the keep and below it as well as into the bluffs behind it.

>>31586717
Unfortunately, the local region won't have too much special left. They've got plenty of special places in their capital, the Wall of Lesia and Darlesia.

>>31586735
>speaking of, can you add the sources that gnome knows of to the map? as well as any of their pops that she knows of?
I probably should. I should also figure out some way of identifying the known PoPs (e.g. Sala's, Gnome's, Undine's and Sylph's). I might just steal your idea for how to do that.

>>31586694
>1. non trivial task
True. We do have a spymaster for such tasks.
>2. I see no believable or plausible way to make that charade.
1. Dress in the uniforms of the enemy
2. Kill random villagers in a random village
3. Leave.
4. Have the person in charge of investigating be in on the plan.
This has been done a lot of times throughout history

>>31586776
>Unfortunately, the local region won't have too much special left. They've got plenty of special places in their capital, the Wall of Lesia and Darlesia.
Maybe make Faurun, Termia or Companion have the city in a lake?

>>31586780
>>2. Kill random villagers in a random village
Fuck no, Talon is not the type to do that sort of thing.

>>31586776
>I probably should. I should also figure out some way of identifying the known PoPs (e.g. Sala's, Gnome's, Undine's and Sylph's). I might just steal your idea for how to do that.
You are welcome. I can do do it for you if you want (I am the guy who did the work on the map earlier (adding in the legend, finding the icons, etc)
Did you keep it in photoshop format? can you post your current source file?

>>31586776
Okay then. Was just wondering about that due to the idea we could build some crazy tall structures if the height went up enough. Though thinking on it we could bend space a bit.

>>31586757
;_; Vamprie MILF get!

>>31586811
>MILF
Please no, I hope that the Daywalker was a hebephile and/or a flat chest lover.

>>31586780
... no, you misunderstood.
I am not saying that I don't see a believable way to run a false flag operation. Running a false flag operation is easy.

I am saying there is no possible way for us to
>>31586585
>2. Tell them [Taour] that if they invade we'll run a false flag operation (with our large supply of captured Taourian gear) that will potentially bring them into at least local conflict with RSK forces if they move on Darlesea or Olmm. Furthermore that Talon has enough local nobles willing to look the other way to make the charade stick

you are trying to trick them in a ridiculously silly way, there is no way they could ever possible fall for this.

>>31586802
This is a bluff. We wouldn't actually be doing this.

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Oh, also, does anybody here want to think of a different name for your empire? Or are you happy with just keeping Harrowmont?

>>31586788
Stealing that for Compagnon.

>>31586806
>Did you keep it in photoshop format? can you post your current source file?
http://pastebin.com/6Su7M3fh
Link is at the bottom of that bin. I'll probably keep that up to date. Mind you I can probably do the PoP/Source thing in one go as I add the other locations. If you have any extra things to add to the map, give it a go.

>>31586843
>Implying it's impossible to be both

>>31586857
The golden empire of mankind. Kidding.

>>31586802
>Fuck no, Talon is not the type to do that sort of thing.
he won't be.
his plan isn't to actually run a false flag operation.
it is to bluff taour into believing that if they STOP turtling and start engaging us properly we will retaliate by running a false flag operation

>>31586847
Not involved in this, but you should read operation mincemeat. A lot of much crazier things have worked.

>>31586881
More specifically, if they engage us in the location where they could hurt us the most and they have the best odds things will go terribly for them.

>>31586857
oh, I didn't even notice it there. thanks.

I will see if I can go ahead and get some icon ideas going. Probably won't get too much done tonight (visiting family. only a few more hours to do stuff tonight, then tomorrow i fly home)

>>31586857
>New name for empire
Hm...
>Golden Suns
>Imperial Sky
>The Imperium
>Astral Alliance
>The Four Pillars (think elementals)
>The Harrowing Empire
>The Reforged

>>31586919
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial

>>31586887
no, operation mincement is childs play compared to what he is trying to do. All it did was convince them that "enemy plans on attacking Y instead of Z". this is easy. "Enemy has incompetent spies which we caught, he wants us to continue doing what we are doing, and if we attack his weak underdefended flank he will retaliate by running a false flag operation, which he won't do as long as we let him continue as he wishes, tearing us apart" is laughable

not to mention that the actual METHODS of doing that he got so far are:
1. have a double agent trick them (he wont, enthrallment)
2. send a noble to walk into their territories to lie and trick them (enthrallment again, wont work. also where the fuck do you find such a suicidal noble?)
3. just let our spymaster deal with it (this isn't that easy!)

>>31586857
>City ideas
Why not a castle in the sky?
Or a main city that is built around a massive tree?

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>>31586931
That's cool. Anything you can add is appreciated. No need to spend too much time on it. That's my job, after all. I've already numbered all the PoPs, though you might have a better method of doing it (I suspect my Photoshop technique is pretty hacky).

I'll be heading off shortly and I won't be back for a couple of hours.

>>31587036
1. You're assuming that all of their agents are enthralled, when plenty of them are probably in places where we regularly check for enthrallment. Like say working as a servant in the Hawkins tower. They're probably paying one of the maids off or something to get an inside look.
2. Uh, I was never suggesting that the noble directly contact them. He'd work through intermediaries, since you know, he doesn't want to blow his cover to us. Play the part of Noble disgruntled by our legal changes and looking to get some of his own back. After all, they've probably already gotten plenty of them.

>>31586998
I like Golden Sons, Astral Alliance, and Harrowing Empire alright.

>>31587154
Honestly Aspirational, I don't care what our empire name is, as long as it's not just our capital name. That's just silly.

Maybe hold a vote on that some time?

>>31587154
>(I suspect my Photoshop technique is pretty hacky).
mine is too, i am pretty much self taught and not all that experienced :)

>>31587036
>no, operation mincement is childs play compared to what he is trying to do.
1. Grab dead drunk
2. Put in uniform, and give fake documents
3. drop off in ocean near neutral country.
4. Hope that it washes ashore.
5. hope that the Spanish give the Germans access.
6. Hope that the Germans can't tell an alcoholic bum from a soldier with an autopsy, or that he's been dead for way to long.
7. Hope that they believe the plans.