>>31653197
well, that wasn't supposed to duplicate itself, worry about that everyone.

>>31653275
*sorry

>>31653197
So what was your original vision?

>>31653197
I have fun with PPQ and would love to see it continue, no reboot.

And, given what you've hinted has been going on with you perhaps you were not in the best state to be running PPQ, where admittedly feelings run very high because everyone is invested.

I don't know what direction you want to take things but i'd be willing to stay on this crazy ride.

I still enjoy it Cosgrove, I don't have any complaints I can think of off the top of my head.
I don't want to see it end, or restart

>>31653197
I have something long winded, but it will take a while to write as I am on a phone keyboard. Preamble; Cosgrove you are one of the QMs who got me into questing, who is responsible for a number of sleepless nights when I had work in the morning, and inspired me to start running quests. I genuinely enjoy your Quests, but I am going to share what I see as the arisen issue with PPQ from my perspective as a player-

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>>31653326
a middle ground somewhere between Marvel Adventures/Spectacular Spider-man and Ultimate universe in tone.

>>31653197
I think one of the biggest issues with the quest is its tone. It's hard to have a good idea on how to vote because sometimes it seems like we're in a 90's grimdark comic world and sometimes like we're in the Spectacular cartoon. So when a situation comes up like the hostage crisis I don't know whether to vote to jump in because that could lead to heroic action or reckless bloodshed.

>>31653358
I (same as >>31653330
) honestly have to say one of my favorite partsis the hybridization of Mvarious marvel media and your own ideas that go into creating the framework for this universe.

>>31653197
There are two main things I think that ruined stuff.
The first would be these tone shifts, where doing one thing like it was a comic book would have been good while doing it later the same way would have ended terribly, and the realistic approach would have been better.
The main problem was that we couldn't figure out which was which, and the tone shifted very rapidly in those parts.

The second thing would be rolling.
For the love of Anasi don't do it as much. Please.
Yes, we have modifiers to stats, but the fact that we can crit fail means that it's a porous defense.
For example, take the roll against the cancer suit.
It doesn't matter if we have a +8 modifier to willpower, natural ones happen 5 percent of the time.
If I have to roll more than 10 times over the course of the quest, I'm probably going to crit fail.
Because 5% times 12 is just about 50%. Anything beyond that is even worse.
That's just three rolls, because you crits override if they're in the first 3.
And when the consequence is going insane instantly, maybe I shouldn't be rolling so bloody often.

>>31653197
Cosgrove, besides the bad dice rolls I really enjoyed this rendition of Peter Parker, it was....is a blast.

If I had any real problem was that your image of a crazy/wacky fun involving spider-man might of been as well conveyed especially how the recent turn of events had transpired.

The threat of a messed up future via carnage, Peter not only being blasted by cyclops, got shot by criminal, been electric shocked out of our alien suit, and sick for quite some time.

It might have been at least to me a bit like hearted like in any marvel rendition but at this point we were in a serious story arc/mission.

Though certainly the last part where we failed to pick up on the clues where it was okay to attack, since in our minds we were in such a serious situation and considering the number we felt our presence might had made it worse or cause an accident.


With that said, I guess the major freak out was exactly due to your writing and how attached are we to the characters you characterized and didn't want to disappoint.

to make a long story short, I guess it was just how we viewed the situation was what were worrying

>>31653358
Carnage might have been a bad villain to throw in early on then...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1emQ6IYzRYN4MG45Zl9a-0UH0ARuWLaBB_U924NXc-DY/pub

"7. Know who you write for and keep your nerve

A QM may lose three things
Sleep
Social contacts
Peace of mind
A QM may never lose three things
Their fanbase
Their notes
Their cool
Know who you write for. It’s not the literary world. It’s not those who heard rumors and now desire to judge you based on their impressions. It is also not the pleasant folks in the QTG or IRC to whose standard you must measure up to. Ultimately, you write for your players, and therefore it is with them you should be most familiar with. In one sentence: Write for those that enjoy your Quest, not those who don’t. You will never be able to satisfy everyone therefore prioritize who you respond and adapt to.
When worst comes to worst, ignore the haters and cut your losses."


The problem most people had with the last big shit flinging they gave you, you mentioned it was a chance to be a big hero. Cool and all. But the players of your quests have been in that situation before and it ended badly for them. Therefor they took the "safe" choice based on your established style and felt punished for it because crying girls are serious business to neckbeards and manchildren.
Then when people started bitching you just flipped the godamn table and stomped around yelling for a bit.

Sometimes people will bitch and moan. Let them and ignore them, but also don't put players in similar situations (IE birthday party and the armored car) and expect players to behave counter to how they have in the past (or to do the opposite if they got their shit slapped hard last time like we did). Be consistent and try not to get mad. That's about all I have to say.

>>31653521
Fuck you I like rolling.

>>31653533
Yeah. Commuter and i discussed this a few months ago after an earlier shit-storm. you have done some really interesting stuff with the character and situation but that was like massive escalation from just starting out to serial killer.

>>31653345
>>31653197

There is a certain lack of consistency and expectation.

Consistency of combat: Taking apart the tunnel rats effortlessly off screen. Getting mowed down by crime masters goons, and being expected to view armed hostage takers with children as a light encounter.

I was not present for that last one, having fallen asleep, but from what I surmise no one saw "wait" as the option to do absolutely nothing. Once action began, a potentially long by Spidey reaction time, there was no prompt to join in or do something, as though a cutscenes unfolded we had denied ourselves access to once the circumstances of the situation changed.

Our success and failure in action as Spidey is always fun, but to be told we do absolutely nothing while everyone who was still up was worried about how to go about the situation, with one of the short listed options, seemed very far off.

I know you can do better, and I understand you are under great stress in both a professional capacity and within your home life; it's human.

Moving forward, I don't want this quest to reboot. I don't want it to end whole cloth. The adventures of PTSD Peter are fun, even if we're off task.

What where your original intentions?

Where do you think we can go, if we can go forward? As it is ultimately up to you, as the QM and as a person who is seemingly stretched thin.

>>31653197
I just don't understand how you could have interpreted out "Wait and see" vote as "Do nothing, even if the hooded man (Cap) escalates the situation to violence". In my view, we should have jumped in immediately after Cap kicked the trash can into that guy. In fact the anons who voted for that specifically wanted to go stealthy, but if the hooded man escalated the situation, all of them would have just had Pete start fighting.

>>31653521
That said, I love this quest. So so very much.
The characters were great, the interactions we great, this whole quest was amazing.

Then main problem, in my limited and single opinion, was the tone shifts leaving "comic book" and entering "serious" but coliding in a way that we should have taken comic book type actions but deal with realistic results, when other times it was the opposite.

If you restart this quest, please don't do it from the beginning. Just, argh, this is hard to explain.

Maybe pick it up from the the moment we got back from the future? Explain away anything past as an alternate timeline? Because I could see that working, and it seems like that was the point the tone shifts started.

But the entire ruined future arc was great. Beating the necessity of responsibility in Peter without resorting to killing Uncle Ben was something pretty much nobody pulls off. And you did it amazingly. The web frays while the spider's away, and this was a great way to show that. It would be a shame if it was lost.

Personally I have enjoyed Peter Parker Quest and Bleach Quest; but it was a bit silly for you to expect we'd rush in and try to deal with 24 armed (with guns) men with children as hostages and be hang busters about it. That's a recipe for nothing but tears really so folks took the childsafe option and felt there was just no winning with you when Concrete showed up.

Perhaps people would have jumped in if they weren't kids? I don't know.

The most important thing here is to note your players are EXTREMELY passionate about your quests. There wouldn't be such massive and long shit storms if they weren't.

One last thing I'll say though is to just not run for the night if you're not feeling it. I hope we can all learn from this experience and I hope your home life improves and we can one day go back to web slinging and/or ghost busting.

This >>31653376
And also a lot of character act to..bipolar?
For example Stella, first she was like a magic loli than a ball of murder, after some time she was disappointed that Peter didn't killed xman in cold blood AND after that she wanted peter to act more like an actually gold-age hero.
Than there is also mater of team mates/aliases who are worst than useless. For example wtf is Doom doing? Sure he have an country to run but he is very aware that somewhere in NYC there is a unsinkable rip-off of the thing from Carpenter film that wants to skin-off Peter any second/any where, couldn't he at least leave a emergency telephone number or some kind of guy/mentor/trainer for Peter in case of emergency?

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>>31653197

What I had a slight issue with was how you seemed to introduce new plot hooks and story arcs about 10 times faster than we could resolve them. It felt like we were making no progress even when we were doing our best.

>>31653552
I do to. I just dislike doing it so often to the point where we are more likely than not to crit fail in a way that crashes our sanity in the middle of heroing.

>>31653763
Here here.

>>31653792

Well thats why cosgrove just reworked the rolling so nat 1s and nat 20s aren't automatic failures and successes now.

We just have not had the chance to see it in action yet.

Honestly, my biggest problem with the quest is how passive Peter has gotten through events.
This is probably related to how things have gone, but the players take everything by being as passive as possible, and because of that we're getting the worse ending on everything we do. Gwen and Felecia are both Spiraling downhill, we can't advance the plot because they won't do anything and don't want to break into a house of someone who's obviously in over their head.
Maybe make the tone obviously Comic Book. It doesn't have to be four color, but people obviously were thinking it wasn't due to some responses. Getting rid of Crit Fails and changing Parker Luck was a great move though, because /tg/ dice are horrible and making the DC higher on top of that was just needlessly punishing.
Otherwise, I'd kind of like to do more School Peter and do more Spidey-Stuff. I'd also like to run into more heroes. I think I was most pissed last week when we got screwed out of meeting Cap because everyone took the most passive possible options.

>>31653774
Why should DOOM devote his time to helping some small-time hero stop some small-time killer from killing ants? Dooms not our ally, he's just an acquaintance, for whom we did a favor once, and he paid us back.

>>31653791
Yeah. Though I think part of this was compounded by everyone refusing to have time-skips so it felt like all of this was happening at once. Hell, Peter essentially had the first Hobgoblin fight, reveal of Carnage's existence, turning Felicia into a literal pussy, abducting Sue and Johnny, and being sent into a post-apoc future all in the span of about 4-5 days (a week from his perspective). That is not all Cosgrove's fault.

>>31653791
Ya, that did get a bit crazy. I liked it; but it felt suffocating. True character immersion really.

Th world feels large and breathing. We have tons of things to do and dozens of directions to go and ways to go about them. It's both directionless and focused. I quite enjoy it compared to the linear style he used for Bleach Quest.

>>31653641
This, mostly.
>Moving forward, I don't want this quest to reboot. I don't want it to end whole cloth.
And this. I want the quest to continue, but it's not up to me. If you were to give us a little bit of context for how you want us to treat the quest, whether as a gritty grimdark Ultimate universe or a lighthearted Spectacular universe. It simply cannot be both.

>>31653902
We liked the 2 month November and December timeskips, it's just people were forcused so heavily on optimization they didn't see the practicality of having some time pass before we did some big thing again.

>>31653834
If we roll a 1 on a DC of anything higher than 7, we failed anyway. And that was only because we had a massive +6 bonus due to willpower being one of our primary stats

>>31653774
Dr.Doom got a country to run and preparing for an alien invasion with tech from the future. Dr.Doom is busy right now so that out of the way but understandable.

Sue Storm and her brother are doing shit due to them being outed as super humans and they got shit to do about it. They too busy.

Gwen is useless for a reason but that a whole layer of depth in the character.

Stella helps us alot though in the shadows, even if she is a psycho loli murder weapon.
>>31653834
Fuck Wrenloft. His natural ones cripple the fucking quest.

When did peter got a natural 20 the last time? 20 threads ago.

So long as wrenloft rolls, no dice rolling should exist in PPQ.

>>31653902
Eh, there was some time skips but that all happened in a month or two over what you said happened.
>>31653920
That true but then cosgrove expected us to get them all done and because we don't got enough time or we crit fail, we suffer the consequences. Shit is moving too fast for peter to keep up even in his scene.

>>31653834
Yes we have. Even after that we still rolled a lot of 1s

>>31653975
The problem is, everyone assumes they're busy and then drops it when they don't pick up the phone.
We need to web swing our ass over there and bust into whatever goddamn building the Storms are hiding in and demand their new Phone Number.
And Gwen just needs a heart to heart. Hell, all of the Spider-Family does.

>>31653952
for both of the timeskips we tried interacting with people. But we got about a sentence of interaction with most of them, and maybe two explaining that Felicia couldn't spend time with us because reasons

I think I'm with everyone when we ask you not to completely reboot this, I personally love what you're done with all the characters, from Scarlet Gwen to Hikki-MJ

>>31654008
No. What needs to happen is that the last post Cos did is wiped clean and we help and meet Cap. Cap then speeches Gwen and Stella and that should help.

>>31653860
>small-time killer
You mean a thing that survived alien attack, galactus, atlantians skrulls and who knows what else?
That thing that can't be beaten under normal circumstances, called it self 'ultimate being' and refuse to die after having it head chomped off?
I wouldn't expect Doom to sit 24/7 in embassy to wait for stuff to happen BUT he could get one/two of the mutants from his country and let them do some investigation stuff befor Parker brain will be sucked of by Carnage.

One side even that he showed up for only two/three threads he is still one of most helpful character from all cast (with exception to Felicia+Stella), which tells A LOT about our suport cast.

>>31654008
>We need to web swing our ass over there and bust into whatever goddamn building the Storms are hiding in and demand their new Phone Number.
This is something we need to do more often I think, we should be more foward with our allies, if we need their help we should go see them in person, physically barge in and at least we'll have a face to face conversation with them if nothing else

>>31654008
I figured the Gwen situation would resolve at the same time the Felicia one would, since that's where the story was going.
We confront Kingpin, we find Felicia, fat jokes at Fisk's expense, Gwen shows up, we both fight Fisk, we both catch Fisk, drama happens between Stella, Gwen, and Felica, we use our Fellowship skill to mediate it and call a truce, If we roll well we resolve 2 plots.

That's what I figured it would be, anyway.

>>31654049
Gwen and Stella don't need a Cap Speech. They need Peter to stop being a pussy and actually take the time to talk to them, explain why he did what he did, and why he didn't tell them certain things and try to fix things.

>>31654086
Exactly.

>>31654064
Oh, so you're a meta-fag.

>>31654049
>Cap then speeches Gwen and Stella and that should help.
What do you think his fellowship is, 40? 50?

>>31654115
Whatever the plot demands it be.

>>31654115
His diplomacy skill is auto-win. Just like Felicia's bluff skill.

My biggest issue is that everything we do seems pretty hopeless. Literally every time we try to do the right thing, it gets worse for us and the people we care about, and doesn't really impact the rest of the world in any meaningful way. I'm legitimately surprised that Peter hasn't become a villain

Well, again, I screwed up how I did the crime event. Honestly, I would have been better off having a few nervous goons having kids in the house, with only like one guy with a gun and the rest with things like knives.

But, I also agree with Carnage. I should have kept it a backburner until something like the final arc and there's a lot that should've been done better in pacing.

>>31653774
Stella, well... she was something I thoguht I could execute better than I have.

Doom is a leader of a country and he's also working on trying to free his mother's soul. To him, there's more important shit going on. He's grateful to Peter, yes. But Doom's needs and country come first.
So, if I did continue PPQ how would you all feel about some retcons to cut out the Grim tone and hopelessness and make it a bit easier on you guys. Would that work better? Mind you, being a comic book quest- the retcon would be a bit of a minor plot point, but it would also not be something TOO major, and it wouldn't be anything to deal with immediately. The immediate plot- Kingpin- would continue relatively unchanged- with some exceptions- and I'd be able to make sure everyone's on the same page and knows what they're supposed to know. It'd also let me cut down some unnecessary elements that have cluttered up things a bit.

Would that work for people?

I'm just throwing an idea out there, mind you.

>>31654115
>>31654049
You guys both do realize that Cap's response would literally be: "Son, sometimes a man has to step forward and admit he made mistakes and then he has to try and make them right. It'll be hard and it may hurt, but if these people really matter to you, they'll understand and they'll appreciate it more because you talked to them yourself."

>>31654115
Cap's fellowship can not be measured in mere numbers, it is a force of the cosmos

>>31654109
>meta
'scuse ME but didn't we spend about 10 threads in future where CARNAGE and Parker clones are only living thing ? Because Im pretty sure we did read archives kido before joining a quest

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I think switching to d100 is worth considering.

less crits and crit fails and it help make the modifiers matter more. just increase everything by times 5.

and I feel a retcon or reboot isn't necessary. failure is something not unknown to Spider-man. He isn't perfect, he makes mistakes, he flat out fails sometimes (RIP Gwen). Suffering builds character.


and on the tonal shift debate. I think you should stick to one kind of tone per arc, switch between (light hearted, then dark, back to light hearted, then dark again , etc) and make it obvious from the get go. tg can't into subtlety.
and just don't do hostage situations, I've never seen one work out in a quest. They always choose the passive options and it always leads to bitching.

Take some time off, deal with IRL stuff, think over the mechanics, story etc of the quest, maybe bounce some ideas around in the IRC (this little debacle reminds of the ones in HQR, Azure would be a good go to for advice imo)

best of luck and keep on keeping on.

>>31654115
50ish for now. Give him some time to come to terms and it'll be at least 90.

>>31654103
That's the thing; peter doesn't know. He couldn't. Much like Tucker and Dale vs. Evil or whatever that movie was; the problem is lack of communication from Gwen and Felicia, and to a lesser extent Stella. Peter's just sort of caught in the middle.

>>31654155
I just finished watching Captain America too

>>31654152
I honestly didn't mind how the quest was a synthesis of real world and serious. I wouldn't mind just finding the right balance of that.

As long as Peter doesn't sell his soul to Mephisto to get this retcon I'd be interested to see what you had in mind.

>>31654177
>the problem is lack of communication from Gwen and Felicia
Actually I think the problem was they both got jelious that peter wasn't telling them things about the other, and got all housecrazy because they were trying to not go out and steal and then woman logic happened and everything went tumbling down, down, down.
At this point, we need to be abit Meta and call them together just to fucking solve it. I'm sure Cos wouldn't mind.

>>31654152

That sounds good

>>31654152
>So, if I did continue PPQ how would you all feel about some retcons to cut out the Grim tone and hopelessness and make it a bit easier on you guys.
I'm cool with this. Just having it more of a comic book like atmosphere would work wonders I think.

>>31654152
I feel you don't need to make things easier on us so much as make it look like we can make a difference. So far when we've beaten the bad guy or saved the day, things have gotten worse rather than better. I understand that things like that have to happen, but if I were Peter I would have asked myself a long time ago what the point of doing anything is if it always winds up causing nastier things to fill the void

>>31654244
>Actually I think the problem was they both got jelious that peter wasn't telling them things about the other, and got all housecrazy because they were trying to not go out and steal and then woman logic happened and everything went tumbling down, down, down
That's exactly what the problem is, well it's what's partly eating up Gwen at least, Cos talked about it when he was giving us character spoilers a while back

>>31654163
Scuse me, but did we learn about Galactus, atlantians, or skrulls? We just heard there were some aliens. Then we managed to beat a crazy girl.
If anything it should have made us look more into MJ

>>31654152
>So, if I did continue PPQ how would you all feel about some retcons to cut out the Grim tone and hopelessness and make it a bit easier on you guys.
I wouldn't say "easier", per-se. I just want to know what tone you want to set for the quest. If you decide we should act like the smartass Spectacular Spider-Man and jump into hostage situations like nothing, beating up badguys, then I'd be fine with that. A lot of the fun is inventing stuff and getting our social connections.

If the retcon isn't TOO major, then fine, but I must ask, what is it?

>>31654169
I've actually been wondering, what IRC channel can I go to where it's the quest time all the time. Or at the very least where we can talk about PPQ in a fast paced manner aside from 4chan

If there isn't a channel should we have one for at least the questers so we can get our shit in order and talk things out?

>>31654152
I wouldn't mind a lighter quest. Marvel Adventures style. I don't mind a little doom and gloom since it adds danger and an element of urgency and without conflict we can lose there's not really a point to questing in my opinion.
So it gets my seal of approval providing the retcons are light.

For your super serious stuff I thought that worked well with Bleach Quest. The little nuggets of humility, intense fight scenes, drama, and slice of life stuff was great; but it definitely felt like a pre-cursor to PPQ in hindsight.

>>31654152
Go on...

I am concerned over what might wind up vanishing.

>>31654261
...so we've been living the canon Peter's life then. But as non-comic book people without massive guilt complexes driving us forward we're rational about it.

>>31654241
But that's still confusing to players. Even in a "synthesis" tone, would kids still die if badguys try to shoot them? Are they stormtrooper-tier shots, or are superheroes just too fast for them?

>>31654152
I don't know about easier, but I do like what another anon suggested, about being more obvious with the tonal shifts and making them an arc by arc sorta thing

>>31654152
It might work I guess. I have to agre that the there is certainly a GRIM DARK overtone to the quest which frankly is getting out of hand.
It is my belief that the cause of this is the plot progression, or rather the speed of it. Our hero simlpy progresses at a slower rate than the world around him, and thus we feel hopeless, POWERLESS, becausewe are simply owerwhelmed.
Another problem are the sudden moodswings;
In the final battle of the Bad Future things suddenly went full JoJo, which was fine and most certainly welcome, as it was befitting of a comic-superhero, and the suddenly we got the bloody PTSD moment.
>cont.

>>31653358

So happy quest?

HA!

You made "How can Peter's life get worse?: The Quest" instead.

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>>31654169
another dice idea

instead of a flat 1 is crit fails and 20 crits, the roll must exceed the DC by 10 or more to crit. To crit fail the roll must fail 10 or more.

AOPH uses it for opposed and combat rolls.

>>31654152
I kind of liked the tone we have now, but I do liked to know the retcons.

>>31654439
I like the suffering

>>31654439
Yeah, it's almost like the universe was trying to compensate for Uncle Ben still being alive and just throwing one thing after another at Peter. Some horrifying situations all happened in the span of two weeks.

>>31654454
that Crit fail idea is bad, because sometimes we have a DC of like 25 or so, and rolling a 15 or below is just too easy.

>>31654387
The PTSD is pretty reasonable and logical and I like that aspect of his character.
Tone just needs to be maintained with enemies. We got killed when we got the jump on three mooks so naturally we pussed out when there where 24.

Writing super heroes is a tough thing though so I can understand it to some capacity, but "standardizing" your encounters would be the only reeal thing I'd recommend. Well that and not blowing up at your players.

>>31654152
>cut out the Grim tone
Agree

We need somehow more team based encounters made in a way that also gets our teammates do stuff instead of standing there and watch us fight.

Also how about a new team friendly mechanic.
Instead of having a Perk [connections] how about give Peter a list of people he could get stuff. For example [Peter knows Ellias] and than have a list of staff he could buy by proxy [$10-5 adrenaline syringe: temporary modifier to AGI and STR]

>>31654286
>did we learn about
They where named drooped by doktor Spyral, Peter migty dosen't know what they are BUT seeing how entire planet is pretty much fucked sideways its probably not something he would want to meet
>Then we managed to beat a crazy girl.
It was Gwen (or ratchet Carnage controlling Gwen body) he/she/it even present it face to Peter and tried to mindfuck him.

>>31654469
Peter getting shit because of the things he do is what he always get.

Getting shit for being good guy all the damn time though, fuck you marvel universe.

>>31654469
We could trade Bens life for happiness, I'm sure he wouldn't mind

>>31654152
I'd like the quest to be more Spectacular in tone. I've always treated it as a comic book quest anyways.

>>31654387
This mood whiplash did not help our immersion, in fact it shredded it to pieces and this showed in the last session. We are completely uncertain of Peter's "powerlevel" so to say, we can not grasp what level of influence we actually have, what we can achieve, which, as cou might imagine is rather ironic when playing a hero with supernatural intuition.
We need a more stable mood/powerlevel to which we can adapt and perhaps some development of Peter is neccessary, to fit into his role because now we are stuck in a dichotomy of Capable Hero and Shellshocked Student, which is generally unpleasant

>>31654458
>>31654496

It's just annoying to have that happen all the time.

>>31654152
I don't want the grim cut out. There is a lot of stuff in Peter's world that is grim and dark and scary and it's an important part of his world. But it shouldn't be the default, and I'd like it eased into with plenty of more lighthearted stuff in between. Carnage (as much as I dislike him) is important to have. But so is Stilt-Man and Paste-Pot Pete.

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>>31654477
>We got killed when we got the jump on three mooks so naturally we pussed out when there where 24.

Yep. How were we supposed to know, for example, whether or not some supervillain was among those 24 like Crime Master was among those 3? We literally could not.

>>31654477
>"standardizing" your encounters would be the only real thing I'd recommend
I think this is actually something to pay attention to, Spider man should never have a problem fighting a bunch of baseline humans, 616 Pete can take out a gang with his eyes closed, I feel like the only times we should be rolling for combat is against big time villians, when the outcome should be obvious, us fighting Hobgoblin or Flash beating up the Lizard

>>31654560
>Paste-Pot Pete
THE TRAPSTER!

>>31654576
This. If we had a perk that made encounters under a certain "difficulty level" an auto-success in accordance with our powerlevel, it would make far more sense.

>>31654518
This too. We need some consistency or we'll be in a state of constant paranoia.

>>31654560
Same here, I don't mind the grim occasionally or when we're reaching a climax in an arc, but lately it had seem like we were just suffocating in it

>>31654476
10 is just a really place holder number. I suppose that number works better in AOPH because Ceru gets mutliple bonuses depending on the sitiaution, location, and or techniques chosen.

15 might work better for PPQ

>>31654560
>and Paste-Pot Pete.

Strangest gay porno name ever.

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>>31654594
Paste. Pot. Pete.

>>31654576
Also, remember peter stats before the spider bite.

Even with the spiderbite, peter strength is still human, even though peter got super strength that can lift a ton.

What the fuck does spidersense do to the agility stat anyway? Having the ability to sense the upcoming thread should allow you to dodge before they even happened.

We got a minute of preptime.

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Would it be better if Cos just gave us a clear "Warning Label" on each story arc, so that we can properly prepare for the kind of tone we're about to encounter? I think it would improve the story arc database immensely.

Well, the things I'd retcon would probably be some initial stuff- I'll make an actual list out of it


Gwen not initially realizing she has powers and having to come to terms with them is why she freaks out and leaves. The stalker was meant to be Phil, yes, and that will o longer be a real issue. As for how Phil got the goblin suit Smythe got him up on goblin gogo juice and armored him up because he's testing different serums

Another thing is that most of the Jojo stuff will go. The future arc will be affected, but how will be worked out once I've gotten everything else hammered out.

The Christmas... fiasco will be retconned into having not have happened as well as some Fantastic Four bits, because I'd like to resolve them better.

As for the Richard Parker Story arc, it'll still be sad, but less horribly so. It'll also let me streamline things to set up for any SHIELD stuff.

Carnage will be gone. Hikiko MJ will still be a thing, but for a much, much lesser version and much less tragic backstory- with Cletus Kasidy being blamed and jailed. It'll be over and done with.

Smythe will be more prominent and some more classic Spidey elements will appear more prominently. Nobody expects Paste Pot Pete!

There's also a good reason for all of this happening, but the reason it all happens will be Kaine's fault in a way that makes sense and will never have to be brought up again. No deals with the devil, no real negatives for Pete, but he'll also sorta notice that everything's... off somehow, but it will mean the disappearance of a character for a while.

>>31654686
No Felicia retcons right?

>>31654686
>Hikiko MJ will still be a thing

Good.

Loved that character change.

>>31654686
But we still touched Felicia's butt right?

>>31654686
Will we still have Stella and PTSD Peter (That was my favorite part)

>>31654708
Only if they involve us getting to spend time with her

>>31654686
Damn I liked the MJ/ Carnage thing.
Oh well sounds okish to me.

>>31654686
>The Christmas... fiasco will be retconned into having not have happened as well as some Fantastic Four bits, because I'd like to resolve them better.
You better not be suggesting that you're gonna retcon away Hank Pym's Christmas Special. I will literally murder you if you if you do.

>>31654660
>What the fuck does spidersense do to the agility stat anyway? Having the ability to sense the upcoming thread should allow you to dodge before they even happened.
Yes it should. It's limited precognition.

>>31654686
>The Christmas... fiasco will be retconned into having not have happened
Does that include Flash's acquisition of the Venom symbiote?
>As for the Richard Parker Story arc, it'll still be sad, but less horribly so.
I'm okay with that. It's his dead parents, so sad is mandatory.
>Carnage will be gone.
Thank you, this is a good decision. So how does that affect the Future Arc?

>>31654730
>PTSD Peter was really just Marvel Adventures Peter peeking in on Ultimate Peters alternate time line

>>31654746
He's talking about the thing with the X-men.

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>>31654708
Felicia's mostly going to be untouched, but I might add some more fleshed out scenes to make some of her and Gwen's interactions make more sense. Maybe some past fleshing out, too.

>tenderness ituteso
...captcha, tell me more.

>>31654686
We don't need a retcon do we?
Just start shifting the grim down.

>>31654686
I do not want to lose Felicia. That was some of the best stuff you've written for this quest.

Perhaps we can take the suggestion of someone up thread and say that this universe still exists in as an AU in the multiverse. Perhaps? Maybe?

>>31654746
And Cyclops being a dick.

>>31654755
Flash Venom was after Christmas though... and Cosgrove loves him anyway.

>>31654686
>but it will mean the disappearance of a character for a while.
That's ominous, who's disappearing?

>>31654746
He would NEVER do that to us!

>>31654736
>Damn I liked the MJ/ Carnage thing.
It was unexpected, but... dear fucking god, it was a fucking migraine on top of an already huge headache to know about on a meta level. Our paranoia levels went through the fucking roof, considering she's our NEIGHBOR.

>>31654686

Aw.

No MJ Carnage.

I was actually starting to like that storyline because of horror issues.

>>31654793
Oh thank god, that sucked ass, i super didn't liek how that turned out

>>31654686
>The stalker was meant to be Phil
Can you make it in a way that Gwen did her own investigation where whe compared his 'love letter' to...lets say dairy/notebook and realised he is the stalker?
>The Christmas
Dose that mean you throw Cap back in to ice?

Also are you keeping Agent Venom Flash? 'cause I loved that part.

>>31654795
Aw, she's adorable!

>>31654730
PTSD Parker was a problem because we never got a chance to ever settle down and be you know a 17? Year old kid
It's either were always PTSD Parker
Not Spiderman but spiderman
And or
SUFFERING
It felt like at times we always had this sword of Damocles hanging over us

>>31654686
>as well as some Fantastic Four bits
Which parts?
Did we not help Susan and Johnny or did it turn out differently

>>31654808
>>31654793
Oh, okay. Yeah, I'd like our contact with the X-men to be mostly positive. If only so we can be friends with Bobby.

Because Hank Pym's Christmas Special was fucking awesometacular.

>>31654805
>I do not want to lose Felicia. That was some of the best stuff you've written for this quest.
Agreed. Felicia is best waifu and to lose her would be one of the worst things to possibly happen. Maybe even worse (in the players' minds) than losing Uncle Ben.

>>31654845
Yeah, the reveal of Harry's Mom and the hard-drive Venom stuff plus Flash-Venom has been some of the best stuff we've had recently.

>>31654795

No more Fat Cat Tats?

Why cosgrove hate breast

>>31654686
>Another thing is that most of the Jojo stuff will go.

...No! No nonononono!
I mean just WHY? I personally was a fan of it, especeally the battle agains Carnage was something that stuch in my memory as a particularly awesome moment. If anything I would have liked MORE of them, if only for the more upbeat/awesome feel it offered.

>>31654795
So what I'm gathering is a long little bit of fiction (like what was planned for BQ) in a "fate twists and warps. Time shifts and bends and things are both done and undone..." type situation.
You can always blame Dr. Strange.

>>31654864
>>31654793
>>31654837
Man you guys are lame. I actually liked that twist and Scott IS a dick.

>>31654817
A little shadowrunning is pretty fun. I enjoyed it..

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>>31654793
Thank. Fucking. God.

>>31654889
Being a master of disguise means you need to... not.... have certain attributes, unfortunately.

>>31654795
Can I get your 2 cents on the dice mechanics change proposals?

>>31654795
Ryuuko looks pretty good as the Black Cat.

>>31654889
Maybe Magical Transforming Cat Girl Felicia can be back in the cards.

>>31654920
They act as ballast!

>>31654918
>Man you guys are lame. I actually liked that twist and Scott IS a dick.
Scott is a dick, but it's not worth it if it means we can't be SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS! with Bobby and Johnny.

>>31654918
Let me guess; you're one of those "muties should be their own stand alone thing" people aren't you?

>>31654918
>A little shadowrunning is pretty fun.
No, us suspecting our own mother of tampering with our father's harddrive was a "little" shadowrunning.

The MJ thing was unnecessarily fucked.

>>31654851
I liked that aspect because it motivated peter.

>>31654795
Yay! I loved reverse trap Felicia

>>31654889
Because big breasted reverse trap don't make much sense, besides the one in the picture is perflectly fine for someone her age instead of sme shows and animes where it was ridiculous

>>31653197
Many anons have already covered some of my points, so if i repeat anything i apologize.
First off, I do not believe that a restart is advisable. It will damage your player base, cause hurt feelings to fester, and it won't fix the underlying issues.
Secondly, you are a good QM, but everyone can improve.
The good: excellent recreation of otherwise familiar characters. Tense atmosphere. Good characterization.
The bad.
>The main character is the main character.
What i mean is, if we screw up or roll horribly or whatever, don't take that as a cue to remove our choice in favor of an NPC. There are lots of other ways to deal with that. Maybe Cpt. America gets shot and is out of commision for a week or three. Maybe stella gets nabbed and has to break cover to save herself. Anything OTHER than "well you made the wrong choice too late to fix it". Yes sometimes that is appropriate, but not every fight, and not when dealing with mooks.
On a related note, if you feel bad and need to wrap things up, a cliffhanger works just fine.
> pacing
Having multiple problems to deal with can be a great thing. It makes the actions we take more suspenseful, it makes us worry over what we should do. But it also makes us worry over what we should do. And /tg/ favors low risk maximum social reward actions. Additionally having a lot of problems makes it harder to reach concensus.
I recommend tying problems together more. Maybe working on the Kingpin front nets us some small advantage against Carnage etc.
Also, nothing says an NPC can't offer advice, peter is surrounded by competent people. Nothing says an NPC can't help out without stealing the spotlight.

Sorry for the disorganized nature of tthe post im on a cell at work.

>>31654900
>battle agains Carnage
I agree with this part BUT you do realised that Cos had plan for Pillar Man ?
And they fuckers are like FutureCarnage*2. Also any enemy from JoJo is like equivalent of Omega/Cosmig level of danger, so yea nope to that.

>>31654918
>Man you guys are lame. I actually liked that twist and Scott IS a dick.
Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't mind the X-men being seen as antagonistic or Scott being a dick, it's just it was foreshadowed as being some important even in meta human history and we ended up getting our ass beat, it didn't feel really properly heroic

>>31654950
That's not to say things can't be patched up down the road.

>>31654958
What does that have to do with anything?

>>31654973
It's not really that far off.

>>31654995
>Maybe Cpt. America gets shot and is out of commision for a week or three
Not to burst your bubble, but the entire Nazi army couldn't shoot Cap and put him out of commission for 15 seconds, much less a week or three. Why would a mook be able to?

>>31654863
Pete helped them more and Richards will be less of a dick. More like the comic where he's able to talk about their children as an experiment- 'Of Course not, one will be the control"

Pym will still be the hero Christmas needed.

>>31654900
Well, the more OVERT Jojo things, that is.

Flash... is undecided, but possibly will remain as is. If it did, I'll change how things turned out. Like Electro were to happen. I'm also revising some background plot with Spyral.

>>31654995
>Maybe Cpt. America gets shot and is out of commision for a week or three.
That would never happen to someone with Cap's powers.

>>31655046
>Well, the more OVERT Jojo things, that is.
Did we still use the symbiote like a STAND?
That was honestly my favorite part of this quest

>>31655046
>Richards will be less of a dick
B-but Richards a shit

>>31655102
Obviously.

>>31655046
>I'm also revising some background plot with Spyral.
Thanks, I really couldn't figure out at all where that thing was going.

>>31655124
A black hole throwing country destroying shit

>>31655124
pls go victor

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>>31655046
I'm glad Richards isn't going to be a bad guy.

>>31655128
>>31655102
BUENO

>>31655124
What if he was starting to be a dick, but then realized he didn't need to take things so seriously? I don't know. I like Reed being a dick, but I LOVE MA Reed.

>>31655161
In every universe where he IS a bad guy, he conquers the world.
So this is a really, really good thing for him not to be.

Well if Reed and DOOM and even Osborn are all right guys and Carnage is going away... who's really left as an "end boss" outside of cosmic or mystic threats?

>>31655128
I'll be honest, when we went back to the past I was hoping we could figure out a way to do that with the present day symbiote on a more permanent basis, it might have helped the hunger meter
Plus it would have been awesome

>>31655046
Did we still have awesome interactions with with DOOM

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>>31655198
>Who's left as an end boss

I know, no cosmic/mystic threats. Just let me have this.

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>>31655208
No more symbiotes. Symbiote a shit.

We armor/multi-limbs now. Combine Stark and Octavius, nigga. Use dem engi perks.

>>31655253
>The letter
We were so close to getting that master engineer perk too

>>31655196
In most universes where he's a bad guy he not only conquers the world, but he typically sets out to help the evil Reeds of other universes conquer theirs.

I do have a question about the retcon though... How is it going to be done? Is it just going to be one of those "It's never mentioned again" things like Marvel's typical way of doing things, or is it going to be a big deal like in DC?

>>31655231
for the mostpart.

>>31655208
Not really feasible. Its basically the ultimate symbiote. It is not a force of good.

>>31655304
I don't think that's being retconned. We're still going to get to see Stark Ind.

>>31655308
So Cos be honest, were you wanting Peter to get the Waifusuit, or was it meant to be for Flash all along?

If we got it would it have really been our Waifu?

How did you plan to have it interact with us?

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>>31655237
Sinister Several fans in the house I see

>>31655308
Cos, Superior Foes reference/cameos when?

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>>31655355
We're always here for you.

>>31654152
I don't really want retcons, unless it's Kaine tearing his way here from the Bad Future.

I'd rather work with what we have, as difficult as it may be.

>>31655347
Well, he needs Flash to get Venom, and Eddie to get the Cancer suit. Somewhere along the line, the Cancer suit will become Anti-Venom, and the two symbiotes will fight/team up.

That's my theory.

>>31655355
Actually haven't read superior foes. I'll look into it in trades, though.

>>31655347
There was a chance you could have. But it would have paid a toll on your social interactions and psyche.

>>31655400
No, you don't. It really is too much for Pete to handle unless Cos wants to hold off on creating any new story arcs for 6 months.

Right then, all seems well here, though I am happy my shadowruns about MJ turned out to be true.

You can Jojo if you want to, Cos. I won't pose it against you.

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>>31655413
It's worth reading.

>>31655413
What kind of toll are we talking, like the suit telling us that we can only trust it or what?

Would it have given us blowjobs while we were asleep

>>31655535
Why does it matter now?

>>31655604
Why would it not matter is the real question

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>>31655528
I can conform that.
>>31655413
Since X-man are not a enemy right now, what are the chances of teaming up?

Also is Stella 'locked' in her chain/illusion abilities or can she learn other wizard stuff?

>>31655528
Putting those two pages next to each other leads to weird paneling...

>>31655535
Symbiote Blowjobs would be the best. It'd be whispering to us while we sleep, telling us that it'll always be there for us and protect us and love us.

>>31655535
Only if Felicia was still a catgirl and was also a Star Sapphire while wearing the suit.

Having Felicia revert to cat like traits and the bottling them via magic girl stuff would be fun. But then that means DOOM would have failed which is impossible.

>>31655470
Might, but if I do, I'm probably going to keep it light. Like Hercules might be in a stone pillar, he wasn't actually a pillar man

>>31655535
No, it wouldn't. Mainly, dependency, and basically the permanent bonding and 'we' happening. Felicia would not be a cool cat about it

Also, will say this: Frank Castle might end up involved in the Kingpin arc. But that's not something set in stone.

>>31655652
>Frank Castle might end up involved in the Kingpin arc. But that's not something set in stone.
As long as we get Murdock too. Pete teaming up with Punisher and Daredevil would be awesome.

>>31654686
>As for the Richard Parker Story arc, it'll still be sad, but less horribly so. It'll also let me streamline things to set up for any SHIELD stuff.
I like that stuff, and us getting the Venom symbiote.

That whole arc was the good kind of sad.

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>>31655652
Punisher huh?

>>31655640
>Magic girl Felicia
what IF this is the solution. Let her transform at will just like Tigra

>>31655652
>No, it wouldn't. Mainly, dependency, and basically the permanent bonding and 'we' happening. Felicia would not be a cool cat about it
This makes me worry about Flash. We really need to talk to him about it, unless he somehow ends up going Agent Venom route and doesn't get the We stuff and comes to an agreement with the symbiote.

Did we still save Harry's mom?

>>31655678
Yeah, overall that arc was gold. No need to change it too much. Besides, I'm interested in the backstory you have set-up and what Mary Parker might have been up to.

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>>31655413
>Actually haven't read superior foes.

Do yourself a favor and read the best current Marvel ongoing before Marvel shit cans it

>superior foes of spider-man 001
http://www59.zippyshare.com/v/85967030/file.html


Lieber used to post on /co/(he still might, I haven't been on /co. a lot recently) he did a live Q&A session while drawing a page for the book.

>>31655652
Well the presence of the Punisher automatically makes the tone about 10 degrees more grimdark, so you better warn us if he appears.

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>>31655652
>Also, will say this: Frank Castle might end up involved in the Kingpin arc. But that's not something set in stone.
Shit he might be going after Felicia if she's working for Fatty
We're gonna have to give Punisher a kick to the balls if he tries something

>>31655718
Then Pym might get ideas.
But seriously, PymxTigra was my favorite 616 thing in a long while and it's mostly thanks to the slice of life comics /co/ did of them.

>>31655750

lol.

women.

>>31655735
Is there still time to salvage friendship with Harry
Also if the Carnage stuff goes in right direction, is there a posibillity for MJ to become like the one from Spectacular?

>>31655784
>We're gonna have to give Punisher a kick to the balls if he tries something

So it'll be like pretty much every Punisher team-up ever.

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>>31655750
>Not posting the best page.

>>31655784
Stop shadowrunning before everyone goes crazy, you fucking fool.
>>31655735
Oh yeah.

Did we, Cos?

>>31655652
>Frank Castle might end up involved in the Kingpin arc
inb4 we get Frankencastle

>>31655819
There are too many "best pages" to post.

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>>31655861
True.

>>31655824
>Stop shadowrunning before everyone goes crazy, you fucking fool.
Sorry, I panicked

>>31655819
Ok I'm picking up this trade and Ghost Busters next month.
Not since Hellcat have I had such a good laugh.

>>31655652
So if Frankie shows up, it'll be automatic 'Spidey-Sense says he is the most badass person within whatever caliber range he's carrying'?

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>>31655652
If Frank shows up; it totally needs to be Solid Frank if we're just compiling all of the best character iterations.

>>31655824
Yup.

>>31655784
Right now, there isn't a punisher. Take that as you will

Any other questions or such I could answer for you all?

>>31655969
He's a cop right now?

>>31655969
We... saved Harry's mom even though the Christmas fiasco was retconned?

Or do you only mean the X-Men thing?

>>31655969
Will we get to meet other characters more? Like Hank Pym and Squirrel Girl and Iceman?

>>31655969

What happens to the events of the last thread?

Never happened or do we have to handle a distressed sister?

>>31655957
Ahahaha. Solid Frank.

That's both closer and further from the truth than you think.

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actually Cos, you should really check out Superior Foes.

its a generally lighthearted comedic story with dark things like murder, betrayal,secrets, NTR, and more betrayal. might give you a couple of ideas


like what they do with Silvermane. It'd be great if he showed up like in PPQ.

>>31655969
Dr. Strange; anything else you can tell us about him? Aside from giving Peter PTSD and the entire future past arc (and catgirl Felicia) it's been my favorite thing in your quest and I'm a bit bummed out we haven't met him yet.

>>31656027
>>31655957
Who?

>>31656006
X-men and Fantastic Four.

>>31656009
Perhaps. Squirrel Girl isn't out of the cards.

>>31655969
So were we wrong all along about the waifu suit being actual waifu material?

On a related note, since HikiMary is just a girl now, if we hadn't decided to romance Felicia how hard would it have been to do so for her.

For CarnageMary, what would have happened if we romanced her then she went full Carnage?

>>31656027
This must happen, Cos.

>>31656017
I hope we at least are able to re-do our last choice to be more specific.

>>31656037
Silvermane's alter-ego was Felicia's Dad's prison identity.

>>31655957
>Solid Frank

With the eyepatch, shouldn't he either be Naked Frank, Solidus Frank, or Old Frank?

>>31656051
Frank Castle, the Punisher. He's basically Doomguy with an axe to grind against criminals.

ALL criminals.

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>>31655969
I sort of follow sometimes, and it's a cool cool premise that I don't think turned out as bad as people are saying. 10/10, would do crossover with. So here's a sketch of some cool punches from the punch dimension.

>>31656064

Hey, wait, if MJ is no longer Carnage, does that mean she never got her makeover?
She still looks like Tomoko then, I guess.

>>31656051
Doctor Strange... well, he's basically pretending to be the Mr. Satan/Don Kahnoji of the world when he's also basically the major US individual that deals with the supernatural and is on SHIELD's watch list

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>>31656051
Frank got an eye patch for a bit. like Big Boss

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>>31656051
"Solid" Frank as pictured.
Was from an arc where I believe he was on the run from/ fighting the Avengers for whatever reason.
If Cosgrove goes at this in "closer and further" then we have something interesting and dangerous to look forward to.

I still maintain Frankencastle is the best Punisher arc though.

>>31656135
What would have happened if we had went to see him
Would we have learned more about our magical heritage?

>>31655969
Can we get some super-friends (mutants/inhumans/asgardian/aliens/clones/whatever) so when we could actually do a cool fight with out getting our butt beaten

>>31656135
Movieverse pls

>>31655969
I still want the satisfaction of getting rid of MJ ourselves, and punching Kotomine in the face.

>>31656135
I got two question:
How dickish is SHIELD in this universe?
Is White Nick Fury still alive, through the Infinity Formula?
and
When is Godzilla going to show up? You promised us that Pete could hang out with the Big G.

Is Spider-Man on their watch list

>>31656135
Ya I got that; was just wondering what he's been up too or if you'd built him up any more and we just keep missing out.

>>31656180
>>31656158
Thanks! He looks pretty good with a beard.

>>31656063
Friendly reminder that technically every fight with her is off panel.

>>31656073
You don't want the punisher. He's just the shell of the man he used to be.

"Only for revenge."

But Frank Castle also will tie into the SHIELD myth arc.

>>31656239
As someone pointed out with the Cinematic/plot Momentum rules we can only win by keeping momentum on us. If we lose it the scene switches and she defeats us off-screen.

Alright, I know this isn't the place for it, but fukkit, after the whining disaster of the last threads, I need to get it off my back. I've been lurking in this quest for months and I think the biggest problem is the same goddamn problem in half the quests on /tg/.

The players.

There's a bunch of fucking whiny, entitled little shits who cannot get the ideas of "actions have consequences" and "sometimes you don't have all the information" through your heads. There have been countless times we've made bad calls because of misinterpretations or lack of information that we didn't choose to pursue. And sure enough, people started bitching. Yeah, sorry, I feel the loss too, but once the consequences hit and I took things like other characters motivations and goals into account, it made some sense.

If people don't like the tone, that's something I can get behind as a legitimate complaint. Maybe it's not to everyone's taste! Maybe it has deviated from what Cosgrove intended! If that changes from here on out, that's cool. I like Cosgrove's storytelling, straight up.

But anything about how combat turns out, the repercussions of our actions or stuff like that, as far as I'm concerned the players can shove it and learn to deal like adults. Plenty of changes were made to the system. Shit doesn't go your way, you don't whine and throw a shit fit. You get right back up like Peter Parker and keep going.

>>31656275
>spoilers
Super neat

>>31656064
Bump to these questions

>>31656275
You're right, I don't. If he appears, we can kiss the lightheartedness of an arc goodbye.

I'm still advocating for a "rating system" for different arcs, by the way.

>>31656211
SHIELD Myth arc, but there's been two Nick Furys. One helped found SHIELD during/after WWII. He greatly admired Captain America

>>31656315
>Frank shows up
>The world visibly gets darker and colder. Grittier.
"Aw crap, this is going to be one of those edgy "mature" things isn't it?"

>>31656282
>There's a bunch of fucking whiny, entitled little shits who cannot get the ideas of "actions have consequences" and "sometimes you don't have all the information" through your heads.
Way to miss the point completely.

See >>31653641
Specifically:
>from what I surmise no one saw "wait" as the option to do absolutely nothing. Once action began, a potentially long by Spidey reaction time, there was no prompt to join in or do something, as though a cutscenes unfolded we had denied ourselves access to once the circumstances of the situation changed.

Now kindly shut the fuck up and stop being a little git.

>>31656315
I'm going to give plenty of opportunity to affect things during the course of this arc, including Frank Castle.

>>31656385
He spreads happiness and rainbows instead of death and bullets?

>>31656385
Noice
I'm glad you didn't drop PPQ Cos, thank you

>>31656315
>a "rating system" for different arcs
A scale from Marvel Adventures, to 90s, to BLOODPOUCH?

>Whoa, what happened to my physique?

>>31656385
Maybe we can keep him away from his philosophy of "death to criminals".

>>31655431
Unless we can knock a couple ones out of the way quickly, like instead of just retconning them away for now, solving the MJ and Carnage problem immediately.

Like just have us happen to run into Mary Jane when she's about to go a-murdering, instead of just dancing around us.

>>31656385
How about a new spider sense perk that let us rate how big the threat is

>>31656442
No, I mean in the sense of how paranoid/straightforward we should be when going into situations, or how worried we should be about civilian casualties.

>>31656451
Damn nigga, that's a good joke.

Will you ever return to Bleach Quest or is it as dead as its protagonist?

>>31656451
Or we could only meet him when he's either trying to kill Peter or temporarily teaming up to fight robots or something. I mean, they even managed to work Frank into the 90's cartoon where nobody was allowed to punch anyone.

>>31656494
We'll invent him a nonlethal laser rifle and pistols. It will be fun.

I think part of the more serious tone comes from the players, though.

We had a chance to have Stella use her illusions to play a joke on Doom and the storms but people instead voted to wallow completely in PTSD Peter instead of being snarky fun Peter.

There was a lot of decisions like that. /tg/ has way too much of a hard on for practicality and drama sometimes.

>>31655787
Oh hey; /co/ heard your call:
>>>/co/61103510

>>31656543
>play a joke on DOOM
It would have been massively inappropriate an insulting to DOOM.
And besides you're still wrong. The serious tone was not the players' fault. Rolling so many nat1s contributed to that in a way you still probably don't understand.

OH OH OH
COSGROVE COSGROVE

Ghost Rider...

>>31656543
It was a matter of respect. The man gave his godamn life to send us back and cure our girlfriend. Than his robot clone did on top of that. He effectively died twice for us.

>>31656616
Do you have a point? He knows Ghost Rider exists, and if it's appropriate, he'll include Johnny.
This isn't a story idea thread, it's a Q&A.

>>31656543
>Wanting to play a joke on DOOM
Fuck you

>>31656616
You've got a problem with a demon with a skull head possessing a dude as they ride motorcycles for what might just be justice against wacky villain schemes?

>>31656653
So much this. Plus Felicia even as a big cat monster biding her time and waiting for the perfect moment to help us. We needed to go to her after that.

>>31656597
>Rolling so many nat1s contributed to that in a way you still probably don't understand.
Those nat 1s we're the real enemy of the quest, I mean that we were so scared of rolling a 1 it was nerve wracking
We were totally justified too, we haven't had a twenty in like 10 threads, while we were at like 7 parker luck

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>>31656554
They work well together. Always have.

>>31656687
>Ghost Rider being a super serious guy who can't stand jokes or wackiness
I like this...
Also Ghost Rider 2 was pretty fun even though the final fight left a lot to be desired.

>>31656697
>>31656687
>while we were at like 7 parker luck
That reminds me, can we get yet additional way of removing PL? or even upgrate Good Karma to lvl2

>>31656687
Cosgrove, what would have happen if we went to Felicia's house in the future

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>>31656727
Unlikely to happen since he and Jan seem pretty happy here and this Jan isn't shallow and manipulative.

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>>31656774
Ya; but PPQ Jan does seem to more or less fill the roll that Tigra does for Pym these days. Or did when the writers remember. Which is rarely.

So I haven't read the thread yet, so I apologize if I'm just retreading old ground, but here's my take:

Your little what-if universe is honestly one of the most interesting and entertaining marvel-related things I've seen in years. The early threads managed to keep the lighthearted tone that is so crucial to spider-man while changing enough of the established canon that it felt fresh and new. I fucking loved it. It was everything I've wanted from spidey.

That said, I do feel that you've lost your way, and I think that it really started with the cat statue. That was the kind of throwaway joke option that I don't know was fully thought out that /tg/ inevitably jumps on. It's a mistake I've seen a lot of quests make, and it usually has the same effect every time.

I do think you ran with it incredibly well, and you turned our idiocy into a somewhat interesting plot hook, but it directly led to a huge tonal shift with the curse, the time travel, and a lot of the grimdark that never went away, even after coming back to the present.

I think Stella is ultimately a perfect demonstration of what went wrong. She doesn't fit the tone, she's a constant reminder of the grimdark future, she required a huge amount of finagling to fit into the present, and really hasn't added anything positive. To me, she represents the culmination of our repeated poor choices that have backed you into a corner. I've noticed that /tg/ can't resist cute female characters and treat them as collectables, which ends up complicating the QM's job. Felicia has suffered from the same tendency, as I feel that her becoming peter's girlfriend has really made her less interesting.

Ultimately, I think your biggest flaw as a QM is that you're too permissive. You're too willing to make our poor choices work, even when they make no sense with your vision.

>>31656769
It would have been abandoned and ransacked. In an anarchy situation, the rich are the first to be burglarized.

>>31656830
>I'm doing Kitchen Science

I heard someone describe Pym as 'a mad scientist who accidentally became a superhero when the universe wanted him to be a supervillain'

It's incredibly accurate.

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>>31656874
>I think Stella is ultimately a perfect demonstration of what went wrong. She doesn't fit the tone, she's a constant reminder of the grimdark future, she required a huge amount of finagling to fit into the present, and really hasn't added anything positive. To me, she represents the culmination of our repeated poor choices that have backed you into a corner.

...This makes a surprising amount of sense.

>>31656874
I don't want this to be true, but I can't argue with you.

>>31656874
I didn't want to fucking take her either

>>31656874
basically, I'd hate to see the quest end. I've really enjoyed it, warts and all, and I think it has a lot of potential. Just don't be afraid to say no from time to time, and don't freak out when the players blow up over bad rolls. I think the move away from critical failures was a great idea, because I've seen many a QM crumble after a string of improbable failures.

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>>31656930
this one?

>>31656874
>that entire 5th block on Stella
She's a prom night baby.
I still like her though. She adds fun contrast.

As for Felicia; she still has a lot of potential and I've ALWAYS liked Spider-Cat more than any of Parkers other options.

That said, between her and Orihime; Cosgroves questers have a habit of going with the first love interest that throws themselves at the protagonist.

Still though, they both turned out pretty good. Although I wish Felicia would have kept some catgirl perks.

>>31656874
Well part of the deal with the Felica arc right now is that she has been holding herself back for our benefit, and isn't completely comfortable with that.

And while I do kind of agree about Stella, I still don't want to get rid of her.

>>31656985
>>31656874
Leaving people to die when he can save them is not Peters style. Sorry.

>>31657094
She shouldn't have existed in the first place you faggot

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>>31657008
I like this one too.

>>31657116
If you're going to get this butt frustrated over keeping someone in character and a general comment explaining as much; questing with /tg/ isn't for you/

>>31656874
>I think Stella is ultimately a perfect demonstration of what went wrong. She doesn't fit the tone, she's a constant reminder of the grimdark future, she required a huge amount of finagling to fit into the present, and really hasn't added anything positive. To me, she represents the culmination of our repeated poor choices that have backed you into a corner.
Cos did mention he thought he could have handled her better, and while I do agree with this assessment I still don't want to get rid of her

>>31657152
It's not in character, Peter's not an idiot who would bring some half-god unstable child who has no business even existing into the past just because he feels like it.
But what's done is done, and I'm not going to bother arguing with you

>>31657040
Yeah. I don't necessarily dislike Stella, I just don't think she meshes well with the tone of the quest. Maybe if Peter were older and not still in high school/living with aunt may and uncle Ben, but currently she just creates more baggage than she's worth, I think.

Felicia is actually one of my favorite spidey love interests, but this quest has made me wonder if she just doesn't work well in a committed relationship. As frustrating as it is, the whole "only in love with spider-man, and not Peter" kind of works to keep the character interesting, because I think there are just too many differences between her and Peter to really work. I could be wrong, though. Regardless, she'll always be my first waifu.

>>31657277
>Maybe if Peter were older and not still in high school/living with aunt may and uncle Ben
We're 17 and in our senior year, aren't we?

So that won't be very long.

Also the problem with Felicia right now is that we haven't even addressed her wants and needs as much as we can.

>>31657277
I can understand the former but I like this since Peter is bending backwards to help her.

You...have a point there about Felicia but with her character arc this is something that must be addressed

>>31656064
I wouldn't mind tossing back to this once more, I realize it's kinda late.

Hell what do the rest of you think might have happened if Cos doesn't feel like answering?

I always love hearing the theories you guys come up with

>>31657277
>>31657318

As stated they are both 17 so right now, no, they probably won't work. I could see them staying friends and getting back together in 5-10 years and going the distance the second time around when they are more mature and worked through the issues they have as teens.

>>31657277
>Felicia is actually one of my favorite spidey love interests, but this quest has made me wonder if she just doesn't work well in a committed relationship. As frustrating as it is, the whole "only in love with spider-man, and not Peter" kind of works to keep the character interesting, because I think there are just too many differences between her and Peter to really work. I could be wrong, though. Regardless, she'll always be my first waifu
I do agree here, but I don't think it's something impassable in this quest, Felicia does get a thrill from being Black Cat and so she probably likes Pete's Spider-man persona for similar reasons, it's something to talk to her about

I think Cosgrove has checked out. Hope he got everything out of his system. Maybe I'll see you guys tomorrow or maybe not.

>>31657365
Honestly, I don't know.

As much as I'd like to solve their mystery, I had long ago given up hope of either Dark MJ or Cletus Kotomine having a satisfactory explanation for pretty much all the shit they did.

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>>31656494
it's dead jim

>>31656064
Well, that would've lead to one of the resolutions of the Carnage arc- hikikomary accepts the past and that she's capable of harming others and kills the Carnage personality- in a way that would've fit with the tragic history she had- and then told peter and, unless he stopped her, would have turned herself in. Had she had the symbiote, she would've tragically sacrificed herself to kill the symbiote/CARNAGE personality and then reappeared as a much more stable anti-hero character months later with one personality and bits of symbiote who would probably try to not let Peter know she's alive because he deserves to be happy without her until, of course Cletus shows up full classic comics carnage during the finale. But those are two out of a LOT of possible outcomes I thought up. Many were tragic.

Bit of a long one, but I can't really stay up long enough to keep with this thread.

I'm a bit of a newfag, having only caught up with the quest the day after the last thread, but I really wanted to give my opinion on all these ideas.

I agree that some things definitely need to be cleaned up if we want this to continue. The tone needs to be set and somewhat obvious to the players. The amount of hanging plot threads, even if some of them are the players' fault, needs to be reduced.

However, while I definitely feel like the last story post needs to never have happened, the idea of a broad retcon of things leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. We might not have always made the 'right' choices and sometimes the dice have outright fucked us but the way the world is going, the mythos we're building, is still ours.

'Course, this is all rather hypocritical of me, seeing as I don't really have great suggestions on how to go about fixing this.

Anyway, just wanted to get my opinion out there.

Hope we can figure something out together.

>>31657526
Some of the stuff mentioned there is still shades of tragic.

A shame it won't be happening. Still, Hikkimori MJ is one of the great things about PPQ. At least we still have that.

>>31657526
A shame, personally I think if i had met NEET MJ before trap-Felicia I would have wanted to waifu her

>>31657526
I kind of wanted to be able to do that, though if she went on another spree or two, it would have been hard to show mercy for her.

Still don't get why you're pushing Cletus as final boss? Like why him of all people?

>>31657625
>trap-Felicia
I wish.

Instead just inexplicable reverse-trap which got dropped pretty early on.

>>31657526
>>31657526
Well fuck

Anyone else kinda regretting not going on the HikiMary route now?

Because I'm regretting not going on the HikiMary route.

I'm sad now /tg/ hold me ;-;

>>31657689
Don't worry, he's basically being cut out of the plot, as of the retcons

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>>31657526
can I get your opinion on

>>31654169
>>31654454
>>31654644

about possible dice mechanics changes, if any?

>>31657730
Nope.
I never liked MJ and Pater and I never will.

>>31657756
Quesada pls

>>31657730
Eh, I figured if we were gonna get with her, it would have been like after college or something, after we went our separate ways with Felicia.

Also she kind of was a serial killer.

>>31657730
I was a little sad when she was introduced, if only because I thought what Cos did yo her was interesting, but by then I was firmly in the Felicia camp