Which fantasy author would you LEAST want GMing your next game and why?
>>32478933Its a toss up between him and Gor dude.I imagine that there are worse ones out there and that scares me a little.
>>32478961A friend recommended Jack Chalker to me recently and I'm considering moving him towards the top of the list. There's only so many times a character can be mindcontrolled/genderbent/baleful polymorphed in the same book before you start to suspect something is up the author's dick
Third for Goodkind. Reason goes without saying (I should hope).
>>32479007RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE! GLORIOUS RAAAAAAAAAAAPE!
>>32478933George R. R. Martin. Because I'd be the guy playing the Starks.
Starts out pretty normal, if with some mary sue-ish NPCs and odd fixations, and then suddenly there's furry rape all over the place.
>>32478933>>32478961>>32479007Looks like you guys just lack MORAL CLARITY!
>>32478933Ayn Rand.>5 sessions later>GMPC is still monologueing
>>32479091GMPC is literally perfect, antagonists are practically zombies
>>32479080Are they victims played for sympathy or the other way around?
>>32479113Half and half. On the one hand it was portrayed as a painful and traumatising experience, yet on the other it had healthy doses of "she basically brought it on herself" and "she was actually enjoying it"
>>32479088My next BBEG is going to be a high level Black Guard who believes he is a Paladin, give him some super bulshit over powered master crafted bastard sword and his battle cry is going to be MY MORAL CLARITY IS RISING!! as he charges into battle with an erection.Possibly might give him a succubus wife who steals the souls of mortals and turns them into drones.
Can we all agree that Neil Gaiman would be the best WoD GM ever ever?
>>32479155Pair him up with Terry Pratchett and you've got gold.Seriously, Good Omens ruled.
>*Spends 20 minutes describing the enemy's gun in minute detail*>"So what is he gonna do with it">"Oh, yeah, right. He shoots you in the face, you're dead. Your corpse is raped by a roving gang of negroes urban youths. If only you'd had a gun yourself."
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Tolkien would probably be fairly dull as a DM. He'd spend ages to describe the setting background and then go full magical realm when it comes to how pretty hair elves have.Michael Moorcock? If you can get him to shut the fuck up about politics for 5 minutes he might be decent.R.E. Howard: Could be cool for hack & slash-campaign.Leigh Brackett: Mas macho!
>>32479310A REH campaign would be great as long as you weren't looking for political intrigue or complex twists.
>>32479027Honestly, I cared less about the rape and the rape witched with their rape wands and rape magic (not to mention the entirely seperate band of rape witches who were actual witches and they practiced mind rape first and actual rape later as apposed to the other way arround with rape witches. >>Dat objectivismIn the beginning in small doses it was okay, later it became this terrible edgy nonsense between all the rape. >>Totally killed my rapeboner
>>32479166>ThisGaiman needs a wingman lest his shit devolves towards children tales (not that I particularly mind I just don't think we should play changeling all the time).
>you cannot change the course of history>you have no agency over your own circumstance>everything you have ever loved will die>you cannot grow as an individual>you can never escape your pastabercrombie pls pls
>>32479411Doesn't he have one book with completely obvious stand-ins for Clinton and some other democrats?Also, obligatory MORAL CLARITY excerpt so anybody can experience the insanity:" A plump, curly-haired woman took a step out from the others. Her round face was red with anger as she screamed. "Stop the hate! No war! Stop the hate! No war!""Move or die!" Richard yelled as he picked up speed.The red-faced woman shook her fleshy fist at Richard and his men, leading an angry chant. "Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!"On his way past her, gritting his teeth as he screamed with the fury of the attack begun, Richard took a powerful swing, lopping off the woman's head and upraised arm. Strings of blood and gore splashed across the faces behind her even as some still chanted their empty words. The head and loose arm tumbled through the crowd. A man mad the mistake of reaching for Richard's weapon, and took the full weight of a charging thrust.Men behind Richard hit the line of evil's guardians with unrestrained violence. People armed only with their hatred for moral clarity fell bloodied, terribly injured, and dead. The line of people collapsed before the merciless charge. Some of the people, screaming their contempt, used their fists to attack Richard's men. They were met with swift and deadly steel."
George R R MartinYour campaign would start out kinda good but end up, well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY
>>32479447>Except when you happen to be a magician. Then your life might turn out to be pretty sweet.The Heroes was kind of a let-down, though.
>>32479102Hey, I'd love to play the zombie apocalypse as a super-wealthy industrialist."Your scientists have successfully developed a promising cure. The government is demanding you release the formula for genericization without guaranteeing the patent. What do you do?"
>>32479483Throw a tantrum like a five-year-old, destroy the cure, hold a three-hour monologue that causes all the zombies to die from boredom.
>>32479469No, your life is still gonna suck. Its just going to suck on an even bigger scale than everyone elses.
>>32479447Come on, those books weren't nearly that depressing. People did some awesome stuff, and plenty of characters ended up fairly happy by the end.
>>32479455Jesus fucking christ, I liked the first book when I read it with zero interpretation (second reading after learning a bit about the author was much less enjoyable. Never read books 2 and beyond), but this is bullshit.
>>32478933Piers "Literally Writes Books to Groom Children" Anthony.
>>32479617I got as far as book 4. I started to treat it as some sort of mental endurance test.I wish I had never bothered.
>>32479137Make sure he kicks some cute little girl in the jaw every time he gets an erection.
>>32479310>Michael Moorcock? If you can get him to shut the fuck up about politics for 5 minutes he might be decent.He'd be fun in his "writing Elric stories for alcohol & dropping acid with Hawkwind" phase.
>>32479455I'm just going to point out that those people are members of the People's Peace Army. They're warcamp followers. They stand in front of the super religious army and tell people to lay down their weapons. When the other army does, then the religious army steps in and butchers most the men, enslaves the rest and any women go to the rape tents. Then the warcamp followers move around the bodies of the enemy and scavenge the bodies for loot. If there's anyone that isn't actually dead like, dying from battle wounds they kill the person themselves and then take their stuff.I know that this post will only be met with spite and derision, but I'm a little drunk and depressed and I liked this series when I was a kid. I'm gonna leave the thread and let you guys get back to it, sorry for bugging you.That ending was a total cop-out though.
>>32479653They were literally written because the author was pissed about people objecting to the gulf war, so he had his original character do not steal brutally murder them. The Clintons show up in his books, for fuck's sake. It's basically 90s America, Fantasy Objectivist Edition.
Robert Jordan. He dies halfway through the campaign.
>>32479091INcorrect. The PCs actions, no matter hpw horrible, are praised for their independant thinking and for pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. The fact that they raped and murdered their way to the top doesn't matter.
>>32479617Just be happy that you quit before the Rape Pit was introduced.
>>32479667>fantasy objectivistNow there's redundancy. All objectivism is fantasy, just like everything else that came out of the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist complex.
>>32479653That actually makes it worse, broseph.Also you had shit taste as a kid.
>>32479692This is fantasy as in mowing down hordes of orcs and liberals, not fantasy as in mowing down hordes of ni-- ne-- urban ferals and liberals.
>>32479529plenty? there's like, two, tops. logen's hope of learning how to accept another woman after his dead wife is dashed, and then he's betrayed by his own kingdom. jezal is forced against his will to live out the rest of his life as bayaz' puppet with his lesbian wife who hates him. ferro forgets logen and reverts back to not being able to find happiness in anything but killing the gurkish, and now she has demon voices in her head driving her crazy. half the northmen are dead. west is dead. the only one who gets off light is glokta, who gets to be with ardee while living out the rest of his life as bayaz' puppet just like jezal. it's a bummer for pretty much everyone except bayaz.
>>32479653Well, even then you still have a protagonist who happily commits a wholesale massacre of unarmed noncombatants. Yet he is still held up as the pinnacle of moral clarity.Not to mention of course the issue >>32479667 mentioned, the author explicitly designed the situation in such a way that his protagonist could go apeshit on apparent paficists.
Christopher Panolini, Or the guy who wrote Eragon/The Inheritance series. IRL this guy is narcissist supreme he would be That GM and have up to three DMPCs. All of the PCs will do epic things, create tales worthy of praise, and shake the very world, yet still overpowered by a DMPC dragon rider.Also, your magic would suck balls.Unless you're a necromancer and steal life everywhere you walk. I actually enjoy the books and still read them today, really good story, but the only characters who actually have depth are Roran, Orin, and Nasuada. Everyone else is one-sided and only exists to stroke big E's shaft.
>>32479650Yeah and although he wrote the Hawkmoon-books simply to make some quick money, I still think it'd be a fun campaign.
>>32479460>I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I got a chapter in Meereen.
>>32479726You sir, made me literally laugh out loud. Good show!
>>32479709The courtroom was quiet as the videotape ended. The Jury sat stunned. Several jaws hung slack. One jury woman was openly weeping. No one had anticipated a story like this. The Judge refocused his eyes and mopped his brow with a handkerchief. "Is—is the Defense ready to proceed?" "We are, Your Honor. We believe that this poignant tape establishes that though the Defendant may be technically guilty of the charge against him, he is not morally guilty. He did not seek the girl, he did not force his attention on her. He demurred at every stage, by her own testimony. It was entirely voluntary on her part. In fact, they were lovers, in the truest sense, age no barrier. The law may say he is guilty, but the law is sometimes an ass." Several members of the Jury nodded their agreement. Then he turned to the Jury. "If there is guilt here, then surely it is that of the father, who set her up by incestuously toying with her. And of her brother, who practiced sodomy on her with a candle. Remember, it was to escape that abuse that she first fled and found the Defendant. The Defendant never hurt her. He did only what she asked. He gave her what no other man did. He loved her. We may take issue with the manner of the expression of that love, but we cannot deny its reality. She came to him of her own accord, again and again, because what he offered her was so much better than what she received at home. Her family should be on trial!"she was literally a five year old childthe book is literally dedicated to a nambla member
>>32479705i should point out here that i'm just talking about the first law trilogy. i know they character reappear in the standalone trilogy but i haven't read those yet, no spoilers please, i am hype as fuck for best served cold but i'm in the middle of mistborn right now.
>>32479705Well, it was heavily implied that while Glokta and Jezal were to follow Bayaz' instructions, they'd still have a relatively high degree of autonomy as long as they didn't fuck with his overall plans. At the very least Jezal could have a nice hedonistic personal life with a discreet mistress or three, and eventually come to an understanding with his wife so that she'd get a similar deal.
>>32479741man, please don't insult conan like that. he was a good and wise ruler.
>>32479738Best Served Cold owns bones, look forward to that one. I think it even had a kinda happy-ish ending for some of the characters.
>>32479703Nah son, libertarian/anarcho-capitalists believe race doesn't matter, they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that. But their beliefs are literally fantasy, as in, they have no connection to reality. Everything associated with them, from austrian economics to the concept of the sovereign citizen, is a steaming load of irrational bullshit that quite clearly doesn't work in real life.
>>32479738It mostly doesn't get better.The list of people who get to a) live out the whole eries and b) die happy and fulfilled is pretty fucking short.>>32479740'spend the rest of your life as a puppet for magical adolf satan, waiting for him to shank you as soon as someone more useful shows up' is not generally considered a happy ending.
>>32479128>>32479080Wat. What are you talking about dude? Don't know what you mean.Unless you're talking about the second book, which is indeed unpleasant, and weird, despite serving a role in the story.
>>32479676But hey, at least it picks up after thatThe female NPC, who has just learned how much she likes to wear revealing clothes, pulls her braid
>>32479769Seriously man, FUCK these books.
>>32479737God dammit Piers... just... just god dammit...
>>32479091I'm still kinda surprised that Rand has such a great following when not just her philosophy is morally and intellectually bankrupt, but she's also just a plain shitty writer. The antagonists are cardboard cutouts who have no motivation other to be an obstruction to the protagonists, the protagonists are flawless, and there deus ex machinas out the wazoo.
>>32479763>Nah son, libertarian/anarcho-capitalists believe race doesn't matter, they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that.>they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that.Have you ever met them? In theory, sure. In practice, it takes about five minutes of advanced political philosophy to get to eugenics, a free trade in children being a moral necessity, and how important it is to build a free enclave where ~those people~ won't be allowed in.>austrian economicsThis shit owns. "It's SCIENCE, you can't argue against it! You can't disprove it because we literally reject the idea of evidence and derive things a priori! That is how science works! buy gold google ron paul"
>>32479773Yeah, I was referring to the second one. I always mix up which is which. Though even the first one had its share of furry sex, if consensual at that point.
>>32479791What really pisses me off is people who cite shit like Atlas Shrugged like its history, like something like that could happen again if don't all suck the cocks of capital owners.
>>32479793The harper hall trilogy was _far_ more gloriously Sue.
>>32479617Here's an idea for a campaign. Richard is the BBEG and the Sword of Truth has a twisted definition of "Truth". It retcons reality so that the users decisions become retroactively correct, making Richards actions become correct by the fact that he did it. The PC are inexplicably immune to the retcons and now must oppose Richard. The PCs are treated badly by most NPC because Richard has a very nasty habit of making up a bunch of atrocities that his enemies do and then believing the things he completely made up. There is also a literal Plot Armour mechanic. The plot works for Richard at the beginning of the story and the PCs must spend the game stripping away his Plot Armour. I even have a Villainous Breakdown planned for Richard since he believes that evil will always fail, not realizing that he's the villain.
Christopher Paolini.I have a few names of horrible fantasy authors from my country, but luckily enough they didn't make it out of here and probably no one knows them abroad.
>>32479797>eugenicsNo, they say DAS STAAAAAYTIS!>a free trade in children being a moral necessityHas nothing to do with race.>and how important it is to build a free enclave where ~those people~ won't be allowed in.Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists get frothing at the mouth mad when you suggest the idea of ethnic cohesion and a right to maintain borders. DAS STAAAAAYTIS!
>>32479791There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.>>32479804>What really pisses me off is people who cite shit like Atlas Shrugged like its history, like something like that could happen again if don't all suck the cocks of capital owners.>could happen again>againum, anon
>>32479769I liked The Belgariad and The Mallorean. Formulaic, but still enjoyable.
>>32479817>No, they say DAS STAAAAAYTIS!Not if it's free market eugenics. I mean, do you really think your dispute resolution organisation would let you stay on the preferred low rate if you had a relationship with a statistically high-risk individual?
>>32479817They're absolutely all in favour of those things if they're implemented by the free market, in the form of massive, powerful corporations. It's only when the serfs get to vote that they get twitchy.
>>32479800What? more like "Character torture: The Book"
>>32479827Is that the one where the main dude spends the entire book in a house in the middle of nowhere?
>>32479155Neil Gaiman GMing ChangelingThink about it
>>32479846Dude, have you read Elric? Dude literally starts out as the one good melnibonean with a conscience. I mean, sure, things go badly wrong, but he's not T'zzird.
>>32479838Which corporations wouldn't do, since corporations like to have a large mass of mongrel slaves to do their work. Sure, the Chosen might get to have their own little enclaves, but not anyone else.
>>32479799Wasn't furry, really. It's the old wizard's apprentice turning into animal trope poked around a bit. The books are weird, though. Not sure where the final one will go at this point, after the mass depression train that the first two were.
>>32479832Now you're just making shit up to try to conflate two groups you don't like. Here, I can play that game too, using equally sound logic.>Golarion>A setting in which you can engage in slavery and be lawful good>Everything that happens in a game, you also want to happen in real life.>Civil war era slaveowners>Also own slavesPathtards confirmed for secessionists
>>32479861It's true, corporations have never discriminated against people on a massive scale. It's not like they're made up of and run by powerful people who may be racist as hell.
>>32479820>There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs. Come on dude, at least source the quote.
>>32479875The libertarian/anarcho-capitalist ideal future would have corporations governed by their own psychopathic tribe, they would not have any interest in racism except for that small tribe, so on a grand scale, regions governed by them would not have racist policies and would on the contrary be encouraging everyone to mix.
>>32479874>>Golarion>>A setting in which you can engage in slavery and be lawful good>>Everything that happens in a game, you also want to happen in real life.>>Civil war era slaveowners>>Also own slaves>Pathtards confirmed for secessionistsa) they claim that slavery can be lawful goodb) they claim that lawful good is a good thingc) pathfinder literally broke away from 3.5 to establish its existence as a separate system, a large part of the reason for which was that they wanted to ensure they could still publish golarion content and adventure paths without the distributors rejecting material for a dead system, they literally seceded over a setting where slavery is lawful goodd) skr
>>32479769I liked those books. If it weren't for those books I would not have survived school.
>>32479896OK. Source is John Rogers, who wrote (among other things) the Fells Five D&D comic and Leverage.
>>32479899>they would not have any interest in racism except for that small tribe, so on a grand scale, regions governed by them would not have racist policies and would on the contrary be encouraging everyone to mix.Except when things go wrong, racism is a really easy way to scapegoat people. It's also a really easy way to justify raiding those other fuckers across the valley and stealing their shit. Racism is useful to scumbags like "anarcho"-capitalists
>>32479804I remember reading a rant by some econ major a few years ago who was just so incredibly pissed that they were taught about Marx. Kept going on and on about how Marx is like totally irrelevant and who even cares and it's all wasted time when Rand had already solved the whole thing. It was hilarious.
>>32479921And, of course, that's assuming a perfectly rational set of decision makers. Which is a lot like a perfectly spherical goat.
>>32479935[blink]THIS IS WHAT AUSTRIAN ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE[/blink]
>>32479921Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists would simply stage a small false flag and then use that to justify war on the basis of their target having "violated the NAP".Or would just send in PMC thugs to do the work.The problem with ethnic coherency is that ethnically coherent nation-states have historically been the worst enemy the libertarian/anarcho-capitalists ever faced.
>>32479933FFS. Even if you think his solutions were shit, at least he was fairly good at diagnosing problems.OTOH, the only problem is insufficient freedom, and the only solution is sacrifices to hasten the arrival of the blind idiot free market, and he didn't cover any of that...
>>32479951The thing about the whole libertarian fantasy is that it absolutely excludes the reality of what people are actually like. While this is true for, well, pretty much all big political ideologies, it's doubly apparent in a proposed system where economical might makes right.
>>32479935>>32479940That's another fun thing. You have all those people who took one course of econ 101 in college and now think it's at all applicable to the real world. Those courses really need a big honking disclaimer that it's really just a bunch of abstractions to lay the groundwork, similar to frictionless vacuums in physics or the simple orbital model in chemistry.
>>32478933You know, I don't know if it's the sunglasses, the bald head combined with the most unfortunately colored and trimmed beard, or some other, unnameable quality to his face.But even before /tg/ told me of his work I couldn't help but want to smash his unpleasant head in.
>>32479966It appeals to people that believe themselves to be perfectly rational, and who have never needed government aid that they recognize as such. That's why it shows up a lot in /tg/ areas and high tech.
>>32479991You can't see it from the picture there but he actually has a ponytail.
>>32479952Yeah, you're absolutely free to disagree with him. The main point is that Marx undeniable made a huuuge impact to the world of capital, labor, and if you will even global history. In other words, he is incredibly relevant to any education about economics, whereas Rand, well, isn't.
>>32479976Why bother, when you can declare "evidence" to be a distraction from the perfection of your economics?
>>32480008Oh god, that just makes it worse.
>>32479995>who have never needed government aid that they recognize as suchNot always. The only moral food stamps are my food stamps, and all that.>the only moral roads are the ones I drive on
>>32479859>Dude, have you read Elric? Dude literally starts out as the one good melnibonean with a conscience. He's not outcast for being "good" and probably isn't "the one good Melnibonean." He's pretty much the literal prototype for chaotic evil protagonists -- as the alignment system mostly stems from Moorcock's works, was cited as an example of a CE protagonist and even acknowledges himself as evil. He just has a tenuous and unreliable positive element to his personality. He's outcast for destroying his homeland by invading it and delivering it to an army of brigands, his race condemned to slow extinction on account of practically all their women and children butchered or taken away as rape slaves at best... all because he was cranky at having his power usurped, and winds up disgracefully retreating as a blubbering coward.It all goes downhill from there...Though seriously, I do like that analysis of Drizz't.
>>32479000Yeah, seriously. Being a well world book protagonist is suffering.
>>32479995So it appeals to the delusional?
>>32480009Oh, I don't disagree with Marx. Just pointing out that even if you're a hard-right economist, if you're intellectually honest you can find useful material from him.Rand, well, I know it's a mortal sin and all, but if it ever gets really cold one night and I'm locked in a library, I'll be glad for her books.
>>32480012He calls the bead and ponytail together "a yeard".
>>32479797You be trollin. Most don't believe in the free market on children crap, and while a free market on children is a terrible idea, you are also misrepresenting the idea (paying for adoption isn't exactly an inherently immoral idea).
>>32480038>yeardWait, what? The fuck is that even? How does one get to such a name?
>>32480027>He's not outcast for being "good" and probably isn't "the one good Melnibonean."Have you _read_ Elric? He's not good, but he's obnoxiously good and moral by the standards of his people. Moorcock was far more Law vs Chaos as cosmic forces, too, not LAW = GOOD CHAOS = EVIL. Both sides are horrible, he's just involuntarily chosen as a tool by chaos.His race and homeland totally fucking deserved it. His first appearance is at a party where the musical instrument is dozens of slaves modified to scream at a precise pitch. You play chords by torturing the right ones.
>>32480049I be reading respected philosophers and frequently-cited intellectuals in the field. They're monsters.
Ilona Andrews>guys here is my totally original story that I didn't copy off Jim over there
>>32480063>His first appearance is at a party where the musical instrument is dozens of slaves modified to scream at a precise pitch.Not gonna lie, curious how that would sound.
>>32480030Yes. These are the same fucknuts who voted for Tea Party candidates and think buttsex should be illegal.
>And it turns out that [minor NPC] was actually the one forever destined to save the entire world!>Good job PC's, although it turns out that everything would have turned out exactly the same without your actions because of fate.
>>32480071>respectedby crazy people>frequently-citedby crazy people>intellectualsregarded as such by crazy peopleI mean, Mises, Rothbard, and a shit-ton of others.
>>32480053Do a google image search of him, it's hilarious.
>The GM puts his own character in the game>The GM's character is perfect>Everything good happens to the GM's character>Everything bad happens to everyone else's character
>>32479653Pretty much. It's annoying, because I find the Objectivism stuff irritating - but all the people who bitch about it pick the worst examples. The situation was time critical, he didn't actually have a way to get past them without hurting them and their being unarmed was a weapon used to murder anyone who chose not to harm them. A quick and nasty cut through their ranks really was the most merciful action.
>>32480078some of them don't think buttsex should be illegal, but frequently vote for politicians who try to make it illegal anyway, because freedom
>>32479902I literally took the most random and tenuous comparison I could think of... bravo.
>>32478933China Mieville, mostly because he'd probably glass the first player who got bored with Marxist themes in the campaign.
>>32480071Rothbard could be especially bad for it. One moment he's espousing a perfectly logical - if probably wrong - hypothesis on inflationary printing, the next he's asking if chattel slavery was really wrong and if it wouldn't be more moral to just shoot protestors.
>>32480088Fucking Rothfuss, man. I really enjoy his prose and binged through the books in record time, but dammit if some of the story and his protagonist isn't the most cringeworthy shit.>If I read "alar of ramson steel" one more time..
>>32479811The obvious solution is to join him and make him take wiser actions.
>>32480113His books are weird and disappointing.>Kraken>not actually about monstrous cephalopods
Least? hmm... let me look for that godawful piece of shit book...Jay Kristoff - stormdancersnow on the other hand.. i would love to have Brandon Sanderson as GM. expect interesting/non-typical world and interesting social structure.i seriously dropped the book after first 5 pages. it reads like some kind of american/european guy wants to present japanese story badly, and fails at it
>>32480076Probably horrid. Can't really set pitch that well without ~magic~, and any melody would sound like...well, people screaming. It's kind of an unpleasant thing to hear.
>>32480084I cannot find a picture of him where he does not look like a gigantic cunt.
>>32479155Gaiman likes wraeththu though
>>32480080Well, looks like I didn't miss out on that. I enjoyed the magician's guild series, but when I read the pitch for that one it really seemed like basically the same story in a slightly different setting.
>>32480124I think Rothfuss is good at world building, but he wasted the narrative on a total Sue. The books would be much better from, say, Denna's perspective.
>>32479166Agreed. I couldn't stand Adam though. >>32479155Oh fuck me yes.
>>32480130Seriously, flagrant fucking false advertising on that one.
>>32480124The worst isn't the books - it's the general reception to them as the GREATEST OH MY GOD ITS SOO GOOOOD.Sure, it's just a flavour-of-the-month kinda gushing, but some seriously good authors have let their names be associated with praising Rothfuss - and the man may write some nice prose, but his story is immature wank that I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
>>32480128Richard is so deluded that he can't even comprehend the idea of himself doing something wrong. Calling him out on his actions is the quickest way to make him hate you.
>>32480088This is probably the most polarizing book I haven't read yet. Someone either says it's the absolutely best work of fantasy since Tolkien or that it's garbage. I think I'm just going to wait for the last book in the trilogy to come out and marathon them, just to know what the fuck the big deal is.
>>32479166>good omensyou're my nigger
>Hey kids! It's totally okay for me to fuck you.
>>32480173There was a Kraken, and there were those weird Kraken cultists that kind of turned into squid at the end.
>>32480155It's still not a bad series if you're just there for an interesting story and you like the mechanics of how magic/gods work in different settings, which I do. I was just left fairly unsatisfied by the ending and the moment when Leiard is revealed to actually be Mirar.
>>32480141[fedora tipping intensifies]
What about having S.M. Stirling as a DM?
>>32480071Rothbard is by no means a guy whose entire words are taken as verbatim truth by most libertarians, dude. He just says some stuff they often happen to agree with -- but a lot of it they don't.Not many favor a free market on children, and nearly none of the anti-libertarian people who cite Rothbard in that respect bring up that he was talking about -- paid adoption -- which is hardly a heretical concept.His ideas were pertinent to libertarianism, but he was in no way a libertarian himself (just like Ayn Rand, who threw a temper tantrum about libertarianism). Doubt me? Rothbard was in favor of committing the ultimate libertarian sin -- giving money to poor people, the negative income tax. $6k a year to all the destitute peoples of the country, which was a lot at the time.> They're monsters.Yes, I know that fanatical political pundits tend to think all who differ from them politically are pure evil. This doesn't reinforce your position though -- it just demonstrates that you are ignorant and lack perspective.
>>32480149Just looked it up. Aside from being obvious wank-bait for people into weird sex they seem okay.
>>32480200Jesus Christ, if that guy offered me a lollipop to get in his van, I'd probably do it just to see what happens.
>>32480113I really don't understand the boner people have for his books. I had to slog through Perdido st Station, and the copout of the bird-guy's crime was just fucking shit. Rape is the most terrible crime in their society because of the theft of choice? Really?
>>32480241Especially since murder is also the theft of choice.
>>32480238Fun fact: it would involve dragon dildos.
>>32480232It's really not, dude. It really is not. You dig just a bit deeper and find a fucking wellspring of horrible shit.
>>32480269That sounds like a fantastic, mystical adventure, and I'm pretty sure I want that, no matter my age.
>>32480260Exactly! The moment he started going on about choice being their major social constraint I was like 'Okay, what I bet happened is he was forced to eat an egg to avoid starving in the desert or something. There will be a confrontation with the mother, something like that'. Instead, there's a rather average confession and inexplicable anger from the engineer guy.
>>32480241It's not the most terrible. It's referred to as "Third-degree" which implies a couple more levels up.The issue was that Issac had just been dragged face first through the sewers of New Crobuzon and been exposed to what the city he lived comfortably in was actually all about Then seen his girlfriend after she was brutally violated by Motley whereupon she was immediately violated again by the slake moth. So he's somewhat primed to be sensitive about issues of being complicit in crimes and rape, and that's when it's sprung on him.
Tolkien. That old fart would probably hate my dark elf vampire that fights against her father, Sauron, because he is the authority. btw, she is also a futa catgirl.On a more serious note; I would probably not enjoy Tolkien as a GM too much because I figure he would be pretty anal about the way you roleplay in his magical realm.
>>32480241>the copout of the bird-guy's crime was just fucking shit.That's the joke. They're basically libertarians who take "theft of choice", personal autonomy, as their overriding commandment instead of just MY PROPERTY RIGHTS. China does not thing very much of them.
>>32480229Rothbard also thought that parents should be free to let their children starve to death if they didn't feel like feeding them.Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.
>Jim, I gotta say this campaign is fantastic!>great to hear, anon>but...>what's the matter?>we actually kind of like that NPC of yours, can you stop making shitty things happen to him all the time>....>pfffttahahahaha
>>32480189Basically speaking, the foundations are great: The world is nice and varied, the magic quite intriguing and his prose is super enjoyable. It's just that the story he tells with it and the protagonist he uses is basically on the level of a 15-year-old's wankfantasy.
>>32480332>Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.It's one of those things that could, in theory, under very specific circumstances, be good.You know, much like libertarianism. It just happens to catch fire and explode violently when exposed to humanity and/or recorded history.
>>32480063>He's not good, but he's obnoxiously good and moral by the standards of his people. Which has -literally nothing- to do with why he's an outcast from them. He's a pariah for, you know, betraying all he knew and love for revenge -- and he's an expert in using up everyone who believes in him.Not to mention the book points out that Elric certainly had nothing against the torture parties he passed by.>Moorcock was far more Law vs Chaos as cosmic forces, too, not LAW = GOOD CHAOS = EVIL. Nobody disputed that for a second.>His race and homeland totally fucking deserved it. Yep all dem women and children sure had it coming to them.And my point was that Drizz't and Elric differ especially on account of that while Drizz't is a traitor for his conscience, Elric is a traitor for reasons utterly unrelated to his conscience. Plus, I'm sure Melniboneans have -some- concept of remorse, otherwise nobody would try to guilt him, for, you know, dooming them.
>>32480317Tolkien was a master world builder. We all here, or at least most of us, seem to enjoy building world in our heads for the joy of it. He was a master worldsmith.Sadly his narratives were a bit dry. Pic related. A bit dry.If he built the setting but somebody else DM'd it all would be well.
>>32480200>But about membership in an anti-pedophelia [sic] organization—I do oppose pedophilia, but don’t belong to any such outfit. In fact I correspond with some pedophiles in prisonThis is actual quote from Piers Anthony.
>>32480332>Rothbard also thought that parents should be free to let their children starve to death if they didn't feel like feeding them.Nice. And not something espoused by most libertarians.>Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.Sure, but you don't consider it terrible enough to think it stands on its own as a bad enough idea -- you describe it as a "market for children" knowing that people who haven't read wtf he was talking about will envision pedo Wal-mart, not compensation for adoption.
>>32480241Expecially after, you know, the couple of times Yagharek saved Isaac & co.'s sorry asses, and indirectly the entire city.
>>32480090Designing a situation around justifying playing out your murderous fantasies does not excuse playing out your murderous fantasies. And the line about moral clarity is just so, so mockable. Not only is he killing unarmed people, he's being super self righteous while doing it. it's laughable.
>>32480378That selection is from one of his books. The line about talking to pedophiles in prison was from an interview with the man himself.Both are bad, but one is worse.
Stanislaw Lem. (I know he's considered a sci-fi author, but a lot of his stories are basically fantasy). Flip a coin it'd either be the best campaign ever or the worst."Those days have pulverized and exploded all narrative conventions that had previously been used in literature. The unfathomable futility of human life under the sway of mass murder cannot be conveyed by literary techniques in which individuals or small groups of persons form the core of the narrative."
>Worst that guy author>Not Stephanie Meyer running NWOD
>>32480341>just finished Skin Game>Dresden and Murphy still haven't bonedJim why
>>32480393The book was dedicated to a paedophile and IIRC some of his works have had guest afterwords written by his paedophile friends about the importance of "love."
>>32479738>mistbornConsider stopping after the first book.
>>32480411to be fair, it seems fairly inevitable at this point. Even if it inevitably won't last long
John Ringo.Do I even need to explain why?
>>32480393Yes, one is marketed towards young adults.
>>32480418Jesus, you lucky bastard. I dragged myself through all three books. IT NEVER GETS GOOD.
>>32480372That's kind of the point for me. By the end of the book, Issac is left with no good options. He can betray his friend or he can betray his mind- and body- raped lover. He can run or he can die. Tangling with the powers that be in New Crobuzon have utterly ruined him.
>>32479935Goat Simulator DLC now
>>32480434He's not the worst Baen author. He's not even the worst Baen author whose written books with John Ringo's name on the cover.>Kratman>REJUVENATE THE AGED REMNANTS OF THE SS>OF COURSE BRAVE ISRAELI SOLDIERS WILL BE HAPPY TO JOIN THEM AND UPHOLD THEIR TRADITIONS>NOT RACIST
That's a nice setting with some great characters you've got thereShame if something were to...happen.. to it
>>32479653>>32480090Do you dumbasses not know what strawmen are?
>>32480454John Ringo is shit and obsessed with Cruxshadows and writing about raping young girls, but at least he's not a literal neo-nazi.
>>32480434Oh, sorry, I didn't read fantasy.Herbie Brennan. The Faerie War Chronicles is one of those trainwrecks that must be seen to be believed. You think it's a joke,but then you realize the joke is on you.
>>32478933>There are people in this very thread who don't understand the implications of the name "sword of truth" and that as a device it makes the world confirm to the beliefs of the one who holds it so that they're always right (regardless of hypocrisy) and that the series as a whole is the greatest parody of fantasy-literature-as-philosophical-mouthpiece of all time which is why it espouses Ayn Rand's own brand of thought and portrays it as flawlessly, objectively correct (disregarding hypocrisy present within the work) because in the minds of many she's the greatest offender
>>32480476That's some nice death of the author, but unfortunately he's gonna have to contradict you, liberal scum.
>>32480469Are you implying guys on /pol/ write novels? Oh god...
>>32480454That sounds like it's made to make some conspiracy theorist heads explode.
>>32480485>It was never explained directly to me in simple terms so it can't be true
>>32480469>not a literal neo-nazi.Well yeah, that would get in his way of fetishising eastern european women.
>>32480491Writing long, rambling screeds occasionally disguised as fiction is the oldest /pol/ tradition.
>>32480424That's horrible. Building that up over FIFTEEN NOVELS and then having it end badly. I suppose there's always the fanon that the most important thing the Winter Knight has to do is the Winter Lady.
>>32480513Damn it anon, I was almost able to forget that I was made to read this shit in school. And then you had to bring it up again.
>>32480491Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol, correct the spelling, replace racial slurs with made up words. That's Terry Goodkind.
>>32480491Jesus christ, you think Ringo is a /pol/ novelist? You need to check out some Enemies Foreign & Domestic, to begin with. There's a whole genre that makes Ringo look like a communist.
>>32480536>I was made to read this in schoolWas the lesson "how not to write: a dissection of a terrible libertard"?
>>32480491>>32480491/pol/ has exactly the sort of focus required to write pages and pages of horrific bullshit, exactly the warped worldview that makes it impossible to sell that shit except as 'fiction' to protect themselves from the ramifications of actually believing the shit they believe, and are exactly too crazy and obsessive to write anything but schlock.So yeah, /pol/ is responsible for a LOT of the dumber, more morally reprehensible vanity-published shit on book shelves. Because it's an avenue where they can express all of their terrible views as long as they pretend it's 'fiction'.
>>32479791She constructed a philosophy that justifies selfishness so you don't need to feel guilty about being a horrible person, of course she has a following.
>>32480497>the author literally contradicts it at every turn but still, I'm right and fuck you sheeple, this is deep and meaningful satire and not actually horrible fiction written by a horrible person
>>32480467Oh god, fuck you for reminding me about those books.
>>32480372God I raged so fucking much at that point. Fat fuck doesn't even confront him, he just leaves an half-assed goodbye letter reading: "some woman I've never seen before and for all I know could just be a crazy ex trying to ruin your life said you raped her, so I decided to just believe her and abandon you. BTW thanks for the monies".
>>32480546>So yeah, /pol/ is responsible for a LOT of the dumber, more morally reprehensible vanity-published shit on book shelves.Bracken's a freeper, freep deserves a lot of the blame.
>>32480550Yeah that's right, no one should ever have to look after themselves. I just wished we lived in the world where we had some kind of system that could fairly and look after and protect everyone everywhere all the time so no one earns too much or too little regardless of what they do or don't do
>>32480574>poor and unlucky people should lay down in the street and die, and their relatives should compete to be the lowest bidder to clean their bodies from the privately-owned roads
>>32480437Do you means "it was somewhat passable at the start but ended up a clusterfuck of rotten shit" ?
>>32480574>maybe if I use sarcasm no one will notice my false dichotomy
>>32480567Well, yeah, fair enoughSome of these guys are way too lazy to pay for someone to publish their shit.Thank god there are places that will print any fucking drivel. We wouldn't want to slight these guys by suggesting they should PAY to expose us to this shit.
>>32480574Nobody is saying you shouldn't look after yourself, but Ayn Rand's idea is that other people are at best a stepping stone and at worst obstacles to remove. It's like 'Baby's First Sociopathic Tendencies'.
>>32480601I totally share your feeling and in my head the books 2 and 3 never existed.
>>32480574Nice false dichotomy, bro.The ideal is that people are free to pursue advancement. It turns out that if you let people accumulate power willy-nilly, one of the first things the guys with power do is make it harder for others to accumulate power. That's true of military power, it's true of financial power, it's true of anything that advances you over other human beings.Keeping the system as free as possible, paradoxically, requires occasionally limiting what people can DO with it.
>>32480613Yeah. Ringo is at least occasionally entertaining while being terrible, like watching a trainwreck involving a wagon full of clowns. Unintended Consequences is just...urgh. If you were to transplant it into the middle east and slightly change the motivation then the protagonist would be indistinguishable from a hardcore jihadist.
>>32480467Please Forgotten Relms is the bicycle of fantasy authors everywhere
>>32480608Y'all nigga should read Yurope : the american invasion.That's some real /pol/itterature there.
>You all die for no reason>You nearly die but luckily something happens and saves you!
>>32480418yeah i plan on just reading the first for now, someone else recommended the same thing when i started. by the time i get through the rest of my readlist i'll probably be ready to pick up the rest of the trilogy. i just don't like leaving stories unfinished, even if they aren't good.
>>32480544No, it was by the economics teacher. Keep in mind, this school system didn't have sex ed, our history ext books hailed McCarthy as a hero, and we have a whole "environmental science" where the entire textbook is basically a advertisement pamphlet for fracking and nuclear power. I wish I was kidding. Fucking Georgia.
>>32480648>Dick>Wolfe>Lem>LeckieYou're doing good. Keep doing that.Leviathan Wakes is kinda fun too, if you liked Dead Space and don't mind protagonists who make terrible decisions.
>>32479460God damn it, everything in this book series straddles the line between detailed realism and magical realm.Its a good thing we have a lot of the same fetishes
>>32479769Hey, give the Malloreon some credit.Even the characters notice they're in a rehash. And they abuse that shit.
>>32480658Enki Bilal was right all along I guess.
>>32479667>The Clintons show up in his bookswat. Elaborate
>>32480687As villains to be butchered, naturally. I'm surprised he doesn't have his noble original character do not steal trying to avenge their brutal murder of vince foster.
>>32480076You know, here's a torture device, can't remember it's name, that consists of a large copper ball, with a fire under it. You put someone inside and cook them alive, and their dying screams are fed through a series of pipes, eventually coming out as organ music.
>>32480687The main antagonists of the fifth book are a clumsy parody of Hillary and Bill Clinton as stereotypical evil obstructive politicians.they die of AIDS
>>32479779*dusts off skirt and puts hands on hips*Burn me!
>>32480643Christ she's so awful at writing, and the world she's built is such piss.
>>32478933>AuthorsGreat at constructing carefully crafted stories, in a vaccum which they control>DMsGreat at rolling with the punches and coming up with stuff on the fly.My answer to this it probably "Who ever the best author is... is the person I'd rather NOT have as a DM the most."That's my blanket statement and probably not always true, but I'm going to say 80% of the time it's true.
>>32479724 The story is stolen 1:1 from Star Wars, which stole it from every heroic epic
>>32480542Ok let me give it a try.>Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol"How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?">correct the spelling"How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?">replace racial slurs with made up words."How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?"This is Terry Goodkind.
>>32480351I like to think of Tolkien and Moorcock as the A and Z of fantasy, respectively, with most other authors being somewhere in the middle. Both anarchists, both brits, one specifically hated on the doctrine of total war and one has the most insufferably cliche British person attitude on Murika. One's delightful with settings and languages, one's delightful with metaphysics and characterization. Tolkien's setting is the guilty pleasure fantasy writers love to use for inspiration, but we all know which CHARACTER fantasy writers like to, uh, borrow from...Of course, this isn't to say that there couldn't be writers corresponding to letters beyond Z. HPL is probably the Yuzz or Jogg of fantasy, because he's a prime contributor to D&D (for starters!) but nowadays people perceive an ironclad difference between fantasy and scifi.Tolkien and HPL's "settings" had more in common than one might think, though... >‘We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin’s folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazad-dûm: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.’
>>32480189>>32480342Yeah, it's basically the epic fantasy equivalent of twilight. Generally better prose, I suppose, but total wank fantasy mary sue writing of the worse kind, lacking any real plot structure, meandering like some massively overlong fanfic. The trouble is, a lot of people really enjoy reading mary sue stuff, and aren't well read enough to realise how awful it is. Some people just have terribly low standards.
>>32480770Yeah, I could see him creating a fantasy counterpart to the Washington Monument as an object of worship.
>>32480738star wars was an homage
>>32478933I want to play a Black Crudsade game with ADB as the GM.
>>32480790Sorry, here's a smaller version of that image.
>>32478933Franz Kafka.>Oh...well you see you now all Die in a bizzare yet strangely arbitrary twist of fate in the most ironic fassion>GOD DAMN IT FRANZ WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SHIT>Oh...m terribly sorry. I'll go kill myself now then.
John Steakley. The first third of the campaign would be fucking amazing, but then we'd segue into boring bullshit.
>>32480770Lemme do another.>Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol"Hi OP."Libertarians are simply useful idiots for the oligarchs and multinational corporations. That's all they are and that's the philosophy of their stupid ideology."Anyhow, the 'decadence of capitalism' is a fitting term. What we see in the US isn't capitalism, but a corporatocracy, an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests."I wouldn't say that capitalism as an economic system is necessarily harmful, it's when capitalism is abused and exploited by powerful and wealthy elites to subjugate mankind and practically enslaving entire populations, including Americans into 20-30+ year mortgages which is the problem."I don't know much about Cultural Marxism though, isn't that just a translating economic Marxism into the cultural and social spheres?">correct the spelling>replace racial slurs with made up words.Skipping these two because post size and technically they would just be pasting the post again because nothing would change.This is Terry Goodkind.
>>32480800To be fair, the Washington Monument is literally a giant obelisk.
>>32480839>meet fair damsel at an information age faire>she wishes to partake of my seed>exchange carrier pigeons>she friend requests me on Bayeux tapestry>turns out her last name is ElfschildeThis is Terry Goodkind.
>>32480113Every word he writes just drips with pretension. I can't go more than a couple of pages of his shit without wanting to bomb a Starbucks.
>>32480922Fantasy used as a hamfisted equivalent of modern life? Yeah pretty much
What about Harry Turtledove? Every campaign is just some ridiculously well researched historical period, but with orcs.
>>32480189Basicly what >>32480342Said. Kovthe is the Mary sue to end all mary sues. Hes got good poise and world building, he really crafts a vivid world but its just bogged down in so much bullshit.>Chapters that are 1 page long>chapters that are upwards of 15 pages long and serve no function to further the story or characters and are just sort of there to wank about. >unbelievable amount of exposition and needless, needless descriptions of things.>cant foreshadow for shit.its honestly not even terrible but f your willing to look past alot of its faults you'll have a great time with them.
>>32480968>tfw you're probably the only one who thinks Stars and Stripes Forever is worse than Guns of the South
>>32480938Isn't that what he'd want you to do?
>>32480626It's pretty funny/depressing to think he planned it as a nine book long trilogy of trilogies and it already went to shit by the second book.
Am I the only person who wishes Lord Dunsany could be their GM?
>>32481028The fuck would you do with the other six books?
>>32481062Use them as blunt weapons?
>>32481028The inbetweener he wrote (Alloy of Law) turned out to be pretty good again, though.But then again I didn't really mind parts two and three very much either, so there's that.
>>32481062I'm pretty sure the idea was to keep the world continuus, but have major timeskips between each trilogy. The second one would be set some time during our modern-times analogue, the last one sci-fi, I think.He already wrote a teaser that was set in an early industrialisation age, and that turned out pretty well.
>>32479310Your taste a shit. Have you even read any of those authors?
>>32480141>Read this>Look at the mistborn series>Can't stop laughing
>>32479769I wasted so much time as a teen reading Edding's horrible books, until they got to the point where they retrieved the McGuffin they had been hunting for all this time, and then just continued drifting around aimlessly. That's the point where I realized Eddings writing mostly revolves around stalling for time.
>>32481126Apparently, my GM of one game I did noked that I had the book of wonder in my room when from back when I did a MAID oneshot, so he actually had The Gladsome Beast as a monster. It was lovely.
>>32480765Ah yes, that must be what I thinking of.
>>32480664>Protagonists that make terrible decisions.Did somebody say Robin Hobb?
>>32481152The Belgariad and the Malorean seemed like:>Shit happens, better head off on a trip>We're camping and talking>We're camping and talking>We're camping and talking>Hey we arrived somewhere, and something moderately interesting happened>We're camping and talking>We're camping and talking>We're camping and talking>Climax!
>>32480658Nuclear power isn't necessarily a bad Idea, it just can't be trusted to corporate ownership and lowest bidder maintenance.
>>32481198I think there are better alternatives period, but yes, or at least use Thorium for fuck's sake.
>>32481198Nuclear power is crazy corrupt. I'm going to laugh when China has a reactor blow up on them because of that.Well, not really laugh, but shake my head and mutter "told ya".
>>32480141He may not have a fedora, but he definitely has a fedaura.
>>32480721Y-y-you wool headed sheepherder! ARGH, women's circle!
>>32481246I'd be less worried about them losing a reactor, and more about what sort of bullshit might go down with the Three Gorges Dam in the future.
>>32479617First book is good, albeit straying a bit to far into Terry's magical realm. Book two is alright up until the end. Book three is alright too.Book four is where it starts to go downhill. After that, there's little to salvage and it's pretty much just Terry masturbating to pictures of Ayn Rand onto the page.
>>32479779>>32480721>>32481252Fuck all of you.
>>32481246That basically already happened in Japan.
>>32481196Yeah, pretty much. Also characters occasionally revealing that they have superpowers like shapeshifting and such, that then never really play into the story since Eddings probably forgot about them in favour of fifty more pages of the characters aimlessly wandering around for no real reason.
>>32481198Oh come on, please, can we not start this? We've done so fucking well so far! Every time we've edged close to the sort of territory that would normally make me stare at the computer, cry, and then fight the urge to punch the wall, we've avoided it in the best possible way.> terry goodkind gets brought up> ayn rand gets brought up> "oh fuck this shit", I think, waiting for the inevitable libertarian champions to appear> everyone just agrees that objectivism is all a bullshit stew of selfishness and economy fetishism and would never work in the real world> FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED> birdguy in Perdido St. Station> oh shit, time for an argument about rape> get ready for a bunch of internet white knights fighting with a bunch of MRAs and infinite accusations of "misogynist and "tumblrshit"> nope, people talk about the plot and characters of the story!FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED> piers anthony brought up> "What a fucking pedophile"FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED WITH FLYING COLOURSso god fucking help me, if in the time it has taken me to write this post an argument about nuclear power has sprung up, I will be so fucking mad. This is one of the best threads I have ever seen on /tg/, even the people I disagree with are being civil and intelligent, and it has totally made my night. I sound mad, but really I just hope that this doesn't go away.anyway, yeah... authors and shit.
>>32480049>You be>>32480071>I beYour urban-americanness is showing.
>>32480141If any quote is worthy of a dismissive [tips fedora], it is that one.
>>32481246To be totally fair, what would you rather have ? Hydroelectricity is the best, but you can't flood every valley, solar is either monstrously polluting (for solar panels) or restricted to deserts (solar-heat). Wind may be good but it's unreliable and abysmally low efficiency, and everything requiring burning shit is either polluting as hell or expensive.Nuclear power isn't bad, as far as you have excellent safety and maintenance (which the japanese didn't have because free market yay).
>>32481400Are you really bitching about grammar in reference to an accusation of trolling and in a reply to an accusation of trollign?
>>32481350Don't worry, at least before your actual post and me writing this, there seems to be a basic consensus, and it isn't getting pissy.Bu, yes, this is an epic thread.
>>32481446Yea, in the medium term it's probably our best bet until we come up with something truly sustainable. Once they get thorium breeders off the ground, our uranium stores should last us a few centuries longer than what coal and gas we got left. Less damage to the environment, too.
>>32481446In fairness, safety and maintenance standards were also complicated by that whole 'earthquake + tsunami' business.Of course, I DO live in a vast evil desert so solar is the most convenient although yes the production of solar panels does contribute to pollution which is obviously not ideal but if their lifespan is long enough they can theoretically make up for that by generating enough energy to pay it back, so to speak.
>>32481304The ridiculous thing is that reactor was both out of date and under maintained, it still got through an earthquake and would have been just fine if it hadn't been immediately followed up by a tidal wave.
>>32480968>Players are Panzer tank crew>Shoot reptilians>Trade ginger for alien tech>Betray SS>Rescue Jews>Try not to get nuked by everyoneImplying that wouldn't be an awesome campaign
>>32478933I'm shocked no one's mentioned Laurell K Hamilton yet (maybe she's not fantasy enough). First couple books are about Anita, a monster hunter in St Louis that the local vampire lord has the hots for. By the fifth or sixth book, she's fucking werewolves, werelions, werepanthers, vampires and something else. Dammit LKH, I came here for detective/cop noir in a WoD-esque setting, not your furry porn.
>>32480839>"Libertarians are simply useful idiots for the oligarchs and multinational corporations. That's all they are and that's the philosophy of their stupid ideology.>"Anyhow, the 'decadence of capitalism' is a fitting term. What we see in the US isn't capitalism, but a corporatocracy, an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.>"I wouldn't say that capitalism as an economic system is necessarily harmful, it's when capitalism is abused and exploited by powerful and wealthy elites to subjugate mankind and practically enslaving entire populations, including Americans into 20-30+ year mortgages which is the problem.>implying all of that isn't true
>>32479910Source isn't Krugman?
Ian Watson, in a Dark Heresy game.>"You must now inspect the Genestealer's anus.">W-what? Why!?>"Inspect the Genestealer's anus clasp!">No, I won't inspect the asshole of a fucking Xeno!>"Okay".>"A strange guy comes out of nowhere and mindrapes you. You inspect the Genestealer's Anus, and you're going to like it."
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>>32481516>which is obviously not ideal but if their lifespan is long enough they can theoretically make up for that by generating enough energy to pay it back, so to speak.I work in the silicon industry, and if you are talking about the solar panels you can put on your roof, the will probably never produce enough energy to make up for their fabrication. Their only responsible use for them is for off-grid.On the other hand, the power plants like pic related are totally good and more promising for deserts.>>32481472Isn't the french breeder project due for the late 10's or early 20's ? They got one functioning already in the past, but they didn't use thorium as far as I know.
Dammit are there any fantasy authors/books worth reading?
>>32481538Man, I remember that. I enjoyed the books decently enough, until...the 4th I think. That one had a sequence which, if I recall, had a part where after Mr. Vampire Lord came freshly out of a shower, she thought/fantasized about 'licking off the droplets of water' from him. I remember it as the exact moment where the alarms went off in my head and made me abandon ship.
>>32481613I think there's also an alternative solar power principle that doesn't need any silicon at all, since it's not actually photovoltaic. They simply use a series of relatively small mirrors to vaporise water as it flows through a pipe, then route that through a turbine. I'm not certain how efficient it is, but apparently it needs only fairly little maintenance.
Sci Fi, but Nancy Kress. OH SO MUCH!!!
>>32481639Brandon Sanderson is generally solid, though you may want to stay away from the later two mistborn books. Brent Weeks is pretty cool as well, as is Jim Butcher.
>>32481472Not to sound like an old man stuck at least 2 decades in the past but what are thorium reactors? And should I be worried?
>>32481676Yes that's what I'm talking about. The pic is exactly that I think.The major problem with solar is it doesn't work at night, trough.
>>32481599This isn't bad writing for obvious wankfuel.
>>32481692>Brandon Sanderson>generally solidIf you've read Elantris you've read every damn Brandon Sanderson book. A crew of characters whose personal qualities are more stated than shown wander through a paper-thin setting and then one or more of them turns into a god. The end.
>>32481709I'm not too firm on the physics of it, but the basic principle is this: Of the Uranium we're currently mining, only a tiny subsection of it is actually useful (the isotope U-235, I think) for energy generation, and the large majority is more or less dead weight (U-238) because it cannot sustain a chain reaction on its ownNow if you add Thorium to the mix, a bunch of chemical magic happens that basically ends up transmuting said U-238 together with the waste products of the U-235 reaction into something that can actually also be used in the chain reaction. The end result is basically that we can use way more of the uranium we have (like by an order of magnitude or two), and the waste products from that reaction tend to be shorter lived as well. Hell, to my knowledge you can't even use U-238 and thorium for nuclear weapons at all, so there's no threat at giving a few of those reactors to developing countries.
>>32481639Moar Cock is pretty good.
>>32481560Krugman quoted Rogers.
>>32481639off the top of my head>Terry Pratchett>Jim Butcher>Brent Weeks>Ben Aaronvitch>Benedict Jacka
>>32481639No, they're all shit.But just because they're shitty, doesn't mean they aren't fun to read.
>>32481686>Somebody asks for good books>Terry PratchettYou know you done goofed right?
>>32481985Back in my day trolling meant something. Why I had to walk 15 miles through the snow to post a simple U MAD? on the old teletype machine.
>>32480658As an educator that makes me salty.
>>32481639Jack Vance, duh.
>>32481446There are costs and benefits to all the different methods of power generation. If Nuclear was guaranteed safe, I'd be all over it, but given that its the type of thing that all it takes is one serious mistake and you render large patches of land uninhabitable, I would prefer more traditional methods. That said, if the Westinghouse AP1000 reactor is as safe as they are selling it, great. We're talking several decades of one of these things running though before I have an confidence in its safety record.
>>32481757also magic systemsssss
>>32478933>Writes 2 book about how much he hates paladins/knights>One of them shitalking someone shitalking his first book.>Gets crowned best spanish writer of history
>>32482140>japanese company>anything nuclearpls no
>>32482049>>32482108It might seem like trolling, but I honestly can't stand Pratchet. He mixes to much jovial tomfoolery with existential sadness. It's like an over the top roller coaster. It ends up being neither particularly funny or moving. It's more like reading the thoughts of a rapid mood cycling woman on her period.
>>32482226You could have said that in the first place and not done some drive-by shitposting.
>>32479000Honesty, Well of Souls (not read the ones released after the first five or so) was my favourite series and Dancing Gods was awesome (but nothing past the first trilogy. shapeshifting futa. Jesus. ).I fully agree with you though. Have you read Four Lords of the Diamond? More genderbending, shapeshifting and at the end of one of them the main character has their mind broken utterly and I think they're turned into a sex slave.
>>32480643She's pretty damn cute.I thought she was an old crone.
>>32482226I do so wish you would have said that before and spared us this misunderstanding.
>>32482226I can't stand him either. He strikes me as a 2original4u tvtrope teen whose stories are all witty reversals and deconstructions, the kind of guy who finds out orcs in Warcraft are good (?) now and goes "ZOMG BEST PLOT REVERSAL EVER!"He writes total shit that he passes off as satire to deflect criticism.It wouldn't even be a problem, if everyone wasn't always going "ZOMG BEST AUTHOR EVER"
>>32482075As a student it made it me salty. I just wanted to learn, damn it.
>>32482354>He writes total shit that he passes off as satire to deflect criticism.I refuse to believe anyone who has read (and comprehended) even one of his books would write this.
>>32482354>He writes total shit that he passes off as satire to deflect criticism.>satireI don't think "satire" is really a good word to describe his books. To me, at least, satire implies criticism through humor. I don't think this is really a central part of Pratchett's books.>It wouldn't even be a problem, if everyone wasn't always going "ZOMG BEST AUTHOR EVER"The fact that tastes differ makes his writing a problem? How so?
>>32481639Tolkien is genuinely very good despite being a popular target, and his stuff holds up even though it's been imitated out the ass. Fritz Leiber's short stories are very good. So are RE Howard's. ER Burrough's John Carter of Mars stuff is goofy these days but still a blast. Roger Zelazny did Lord of Light, which is excellent, and his Amber books aren't bad for bread-and-butter, though best skip the second cycle. Mervyn Peake's first two Gormenghast books are very good, the third is a dying man's fever dream. TH White's The Once and Future King is the best version of Le Morte D'Arthur that ever existed, and much less dry than that sounds. Dunsany's more dreamlike stuff is very nice though without much narrative force. Lovecraft's Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath is similar but distinct, also good. Everything Lucius Shepard wrote involving the dragon Griaule is good. Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea books are good, at least the early ones.
>>32482478Oh yeah, and Jack Vance, specifically The Dying Earth books.
Does anyone here like Devices And Desires?
>>32482478Jack Vance wrote Lyonesse, the Dying Earth, and a _ton_ of amazing short fiction. The Miracle Workers is a high point, and The Moon Moth is a brilliant detective story, although one's fantasy/SF and the other's an SF detective story. A lot of his work blurs the lines.Glen Cook wrote the Black Company books, of course, but that's not all! I recently read Swordbearer, one of his lesser works, and it was a fun time. Sickly kid acquires ancient sword that really wants him to kill things, bit like Elric in some ways.Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series is good. Kane is... it's a fantasy world (mostly), and Kane's cursed with immortality-unless-killed. Since he's ridiculously old by now, he's picked up one or two tricks to help him murder absolutely everyone. He's based on the biblical Cain - one of the very first humans, slew his brother, cursed to walk the earth, you know the drill.
>>32481639It helps to find good books if you stay away from franchise novels like those published by Black Library or novels based on videogames.
>>32482600Legion of the Damned, Rynn's Lorld, the Eisenhorn Trilogy and the Cain series are all good Black Library books. Or at least ones I found to be good.
>>32481540It is.I just think that >>32480839 was either being a troll, trying to say "hey, there are reasonable people in /pol/" to make fun of >>32480542, or both.
>>32482600There are exceptions. Kinda. But they're not common.The Vampire Genevieve is pretty great Warhammer fiction, and pretty great fantasy fiction in its own right. Of course, it was published in the 80s and actually defined a chunk of the Warhammer setting, unlike their modern output. Man, they used to do it right - hire competent authors and have them write Fantasy & SF stuff, not hire fans and have them write Warhammer & 40K stuff.
>/tg/ hating on authorsSo, how many of your works have been published? How many people have read it?
>>32482594Besides Lyonesse and Dying Earth I don't think there's any Vance story that could be classified as pure fantasy (?). But yes, Lyonesse is very good too.I'm not a fan of Cook and I haven't read Wagner. I like Tolkien and Howard and Leiber, but I've yet to read a successor in their respective fields that I've liked.
>>32482667Terry stop being so assblasted
Has /tg/ ever had any "famous" fantasy authors visit?
>>32482667>"If you want to criticise a thing you have to be able to do better"Really, now?
>>32482667>I-i'd l-like to see you d-do better!Go to bed, Terry
>>32482667You do realize that most writers write for "laymen", people who aren't authors themselves? If such people are not able or allowed to form their own opinions on books and authors, what's the point of writing in the first place?
>>32482682I'm not really sure Dying Earth can be either, to be honest. If you like Howard & Lieber, you should try Wagner. You can find them as ebooks with a little googling, and the first story is a neat setup where he gets hired to lead a rebel navy. Also Moorcock. Dancers at the End of Time is very Dying Earth in its own way.
>>32482734You do realise it's obvious bait?
>>32482761No, because it would hardly be the first time someone honestly uses that argument.
>>32482644> not hire fans and have them write Warhammer & 40K stuff. That's not necessarily a bad idea, but to pull off, you'd need some decent quality, and thus for the people in charge of licensing and the franchise to actually give a shit.>>32482706Artist yes, author, not that I know of.
>>32480467Eh. Plansescape Torment's novel was worse.
>>32482706>Is a fantasy author, publishedDefinitely not famous.
>>32480536I nominated that for summer reading this year.I want to see those kids suffer.
>>32482826Ugh, you've pulled me in. I have to ask. What have you written? What's it called?
>>32482876Self-pubbed urban fantasy. I've talked about it and shared my experiences with the publishing industry before here.
>>32480827Kafka's only funny when it happens to someone else.
>>32482706I think the guy who wrote Malazan lurks on /tg/ but nothing huge. WE do have a lot of published authors though
>>32482826Being a sadist teacher isn't gonna make them any better students, and now they're gonna hate reading. Good job, asshole.
>>32482756Why, not medieval enough? It's as firmly fantasy as anything I've ever read.That reminds me: MJ Harrison's the Pastel City.
>>32482895You're not a photographer by any chance, are you?
>>32482933Oh, it's fantasy, I'd really not want to call it _pure_ fantasy as the guy I was replying to did. It's got enough SF in it.Viriconium owns, good choice.
>>32481538You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>32482706Aaron Dembski-Bowden, who writes for Black Library, came on /tg/ last year for a chat. He was pretty chill.
>>32482146Don Quixote is the man I model all of my Paladins on. (Except for the ones modeled on Inspector Javert, Judge Dread, or Richard Rhal)
>>32483072>I'm not the only one.TO DREAM THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAMTO FIGHT THE UNBEATABLE FOE
>>32482354Have you read anything by him? Try Morte, Going Postal, or Guards Guards.
>>32483004During highshool had one girl of those that on a particularity long filed trip. The french teacher ended up reading it aloud on the way back. I was laughing about it a week afterwards.
>>32482667One, writing the sequel right now.
>>32483119*During highschool, one of the girls had that on...
>>32483003There's no SF in the Dying Earth. There's advanced technology.
>>32483119>>32483150...so did you invite her to game, or what?
>>32483072> modeled on Inspector Javert.Oh boy! Please make a storytime of that.>>32483150I didn't game much back then, sadly. Also, she bragged to use that she fucked a horse, so I wouldn't want her in my group now.
It's good to see /tg/ has not lost its moral clarity and can at least arrive at this one consensus with relative safety.
>>32483334Well, I think part of the reason is because we've other boards that have or never had it in the first place, and we know we don't want out baod to be likes those.
>>32483409*our board. Sorry, I'm high.
>>32482279I've started the second Dancing Gods book. It's been quiet so far aside from everything being absurdly oversexed, but the previous book (The Identity Matrix) was a minefield.At what point in the following scenario would you leave the table?>first session, aliens swap your character into body of preteen indian girl>successfully escape both the aliens and evade the men in black after you>second session your character ends up in body of 19 y/o college bombshell and imprisoned on secret military base>get pregnant>get abortion to sneak message to outside world>get caught>as punishment the secret agency mindfucks your character into thinking they're a stripper with room temperature IQ>drops you in las vegas>while on cocktail of drugs that grow F cup tits and insane libido>after you character has sucked literally thousands of dicks you get your memory back>It was all an elaborate plot to double cross the aliens or something
>>32483463I'd consider leaving the table at the second bodyswap, strongly consider leaving the table at pregnancy, and get the hell out at the abortion.
>>32483514Agreed. Which is funny, because I LOVE me some body swapping, but yeah, that whole thing is just fucked up.
>>32480008You know, I can't help but notice that this racist fuckwit looks even more bizarre than usual when he's laughing. Cameron looks weird when he laughs too. What's up with that? Is it something they're all taught at school?
>>32483967Never gets old.
>>32482144I personally read Brandon Sanderson pretty much exclusively to feed my ever-burning hunger for new magic systems that I can steal for my games.