Why have harpies, sirens, and other aerial people not subjugated most fantasy settings by virtue of air supremacy?Even in a fairly low tech and low magic setting, longbows from the air and dropping alchemical incendiaries or explosives should obliterate most forms of resistance through sheer attrition.
That's a lot of explosives. I don't think they have an arsenal as large as the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and these fliers need to come down to earth eventually anyway where they can be defeated in gorilla warfare. Also, shields are going to be able to protect you against even the top sniper of these aerial forces: you're pretty exposed up in the air. I'm pretty sure an intelligence network would be able to find the home roosts where these flying races can be killed in over seven hundred ways -- just with bare hands.If any of the flying races try to start shit, they're going to get their miserable asses wiped off the face of the continent. Everyone else will just shit fury all over them. They'll be fucking dead, kiddo.
As you mentioned it can depend on the worlds own magic and tech, but also the flying races own mental aptitude. Technically speaking any race with a super high breeding rate could win through attrition but they usually have some form of break in the ranks or tribes because of sheer refusal to form up. I rather like harpies in any fantasy scenario, but I usually try to depict them with little to no upper cognitive ability from most animals. Not for the sake of birds with tits, but because a fully formed group of assassin harpies is a bitch to get ambushed by in any scenario.
Mostly because they are uncivilized beasts that fly around screeching and being generally irritating. Most don't have the technical know how to build alchemical weapons, and in order to fire a long bow while flying takes a hell of a lot of skill, that most harpies don't have.
>>33120151Same reason fucking raptors aren't alpha predators. An eagle will never be able to take a bear.
I suppose if they lived in relative seclusion (like some difficult to climb mountain or something) they could get away with a lot, but I don't think that would really allow them to do anything other than raid the shit out of people in exchange for not having farms or something. Still though I think flying creatures tend to not be in that technological position in most settings anywayAlso there's the hollow bones thing, and it's not like they can stay in the air indefinitely>>33120548That's not exactly a great parallel as soon as tool use comes into play
>>33120151Harpies taste delicious. It's all the fun of cannibalism without the taboo, and with a tinge of fried chicken taste for an added bonus.They live in seclusion and small tribes far away from civilized lands because they'd be hunted to extinction if they don't.They're just too god damned tasty for global domination.They're basically Dodo people
>>33120291>shields are going to be able to protect you against even the top sniper of these aerial forcesAlchemical stuff laughs at your tightly packed formations.
>>33120151Because they've got about the same intelegence as a corvid, clever but nowhere near sapience.
>>33120685>Dodo harpiesthe idea of flying dodo women with the mentality of lemmings has destroyed my sides
>>33120821Strix in Pathfinder are LA +0 bird people with an at will fly speed.They have Dex +2 and Cha -2.They have attack bonuses against humans.How do they not fuck up humans badly?
>>33120151It turns out harpies are terrible fliers for the most partAnd are comically weak and inept at dropping rocks or bombs so all the humans laugh at them and they get mad and huffy and go home
>>33120685Oh, you again.
>>33120910Tell me about it. I recognized him too, always on and on with the bloody harpy chicken wing shit.
>>33120910Who again. I've never commented on harpies before and I barely come on tg so I think you think I'm someone I'm not.
>>33120931>harpy chicken wing shit.WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I AM.Is there someone on here who is chronically obsessed with eating harpies or something?... the fact that he does this often enough for people to assume it's him whenever it comes up is so, so disturbing.
>>33120858Adventurers probably, keeping populations down and what not.Aside from that they aren't core, so it's up to the DM to, or not to, include them.
>>33120953Hey man, you were the one who brought up eating harpies like they were human+chicken miracle grub.
>>33120962Yeah, but I meant it as a joke, not a serious suggestion for their hypothetical lack of fantasy dominance.This harpy-gourmet dude sounds terrifying. Does he really talk about eating harpies that often?
>>33120953There is this faggot that insists on inserting his shitty vore fetish whenever monster girls become a topic.
>>33120310Hence being subjugated by more advanced, imperialistic people.
Im rather enjoying this harpy thread...animal people cannibalism aside...
>>33121016Maybe they're like cats. They don't bother to advance themselves because they live in comfortably lazy symbiosis with humanity.
>>33121035This is now best Harpy.Ever.
>>33120151Because as being of flesh and blood, they can get killed by bows and arrows. If they're close enough to drop explosives with any kind of accuracy, they're close enough to get shot.Plus, their flight is muscle-powered and require a lot of energy. And is probably slow as fuck compared to the one of birds or of aircrafts.
>>33121043I always enjoyed seeing harpies as mostly animalistic but with small access sentience in mostly hilarious ways, hence harpy language consisting mostly of cursing, as birds are usually cursing at one another non-stop for territory.>Group walks into crag full of harpy nests>greeted with a symphony of "step off my nest bitch!"..."ill claw your face mate swear on me brood mum!"..."i'm majestic as fuck seagull slut human boys be all over my tail-feathers!'
>>33120291>gorilla warfareWell what if our continent only has monkeys?
>>33121147>cockney-accented gangsta harpies yelling off the knight and ganging up on the party like a bunch of rap star chav abominations, sparklebling rattling and caps pulled BACKWARDSyesyes this is why /tg/ exists
>>33121147I've toyed with the idea of harpies being monstrous cuckoos, stealing human kids and replacing them with their own to be raised.
I don't see Harpies using tools, much less weapons. Can you imagine trying to fire a bow with your feet?>>33121186So would they sound like the pigeon from Mongrels? Because that would be pretty awesome.
>>33121229I dunno. I figured that they'd sound like cockney girls (OI!! CLAW YER TITS OFF SWEAR ON ME MUM) only spouting out slang from America too.Also hell who says they don't do nutty shit with their ultrathunder thighs and just pull bow with two legs.
Pfff, most fantasy settings have other ways to fly as well. Let the winged bastards come, where is my carpet.
>>33121257Cue micro humming bird harpies pelting group leader with cockney curse filled paragraph of dialogue in under a minute wilst sounding high on helium
>>33121112>Because as being of flesh and blood, they can get killed by bows and arrows.Straight vertical shots are shitty, especially when they come back down on to you.>If they're close enough to drop explosives with any kind of accuracy, they're close enough to get shot.Nah, they just dump them en masse.>Plus, their flight is muscle-powered and require a lot of energy.Fly speed (good).
>>33121283>"HOI! YA CUNT! I'LL NIP YER EYES OUT I WILL!"And you take her as a pet. And fawn over her. Even if she spends every waking moment insulting you in chirpy helium harpy-cockney.
>>33121147https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhMdbhz9qLUlike that but also part human
I'll rather have the succubus-like Harpies that lusts over adventurers in mountains as the idiotic harpies who can't use weaponsBut i'd love to have a setting where Harpies are smart and live in the skies or the highest mountain rather than being Crow-girls that live in Pines and do what OP said but only if they are the elite army or something
>>33121335I suggest a compromise.Hillbilly harpies with way too many guns and bad southern accents who lust and hate at the same time.
>>33120151>longbows from the airHave fun aiming that shit.
>>33121147>mostly animalistic but with small access sentience in mostly hilarious waysThat's, like, every /tg/ monstergirl ever, and personally i find it annoying. For a board that prides itself on storytelling and characterization we could do better than "a bunch of animal stereotypes in a woman's body".
>>33121319harpies certainly are one of the more amusing races to imagine offshoots of, seagulls, dodos, crows, hummingbirds, vultures, chickens. Lots of possibilities
In the average/generic fantasy setting, harpies tend to be packs of savage, not that smart peoplelike birds who might live in crude packs at the most. Amassed they could certainly be a threat but they don't tend to congregate in large packs and don't really roam around. It would be crazy hard to fire a bow from the air with your feet while also trying to move because you will not have any sort of stable ground, I can't really see that going well. Dropping bombs and shit might go better but where are they gonna get all the materials? How well could they build bombs? How would they transport supplies and shit? I mean, they can't carry all their shit in the air all the time, they have to also have farms or some sort of stable food sources to be an army, and mountains aren't known for their fertile plains ripe for farming.>>33121441While I kinda agree, /tg/ is more or less monster girl central so discussion about bird girls is gonna involve making bird girls cute but somehow a threat.
>>33121335>Crow-girls that live in PinesDo they publish a newspaper?
>>33121379>longbow>aimYou don't seem to know how longbows were used in warfare.
>long night adventuring>just want to fucking sleep>hit my roll and feel my dear eyes finally growing heavy as dawn starts to stain the sky>"HEY">oh no>"HEY THIS IS MY TREE HEY, FUCK YOU, HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY">morning harpy screaming her fucking TITS off to the whole forest at the asscrack of dawn
>>33121379Longbows were typically used as artillery, not as sniping weapons. What you did was get a bunch of longbowmen together, have them aim in the same general direction, and then turn a swath of countryside into a pincushion. Aiming for specific targets was redundant; they were shooting at formations, after all. They were the indirect-fire artillery of their day. >>33121516You could be less of a dick about it.
I honestly forgot this was a thread for flying races in warfare
>>33121563>harpy adventures with party>they decide to blow a small fortune on a real nice dinner at a place that caters to many races>harpy orders her favorite, 'just like mom used to make it'>waiter politely regurgitates food onto the plate as party stares on in horror
>>33121516>>33121558That would be great and all, if you weren't bobbing up and down in the air with a bunch of other people also bobbing up and down in the air wildly throwing off your aim to a much larger degree than being on the ground, probably even to the point that you are a danger to the other people flying around you.
>>33121545Oh gawd, that's the single greatest moment I could hope to imagine for a waking party
>>33121483Also do these harpies have arms/hands or are they the harpies where the arms are the wings and they have no actual hands/fingers?I'd have to think that if they have no real arms or ways to manipulate things humans do outside of their feet how are they gonna get shit done? I mean, it would take a lot of work to create things and certain crafts like well, blacksmithing would be really difficult of not impossible to do.Speaking of smithing, they wouldn't really be able to wear much armor would they? I mean, they wouldn't be able to fly well if they had extra armor on, they'd have to have their wings relatively unarmored or they might be too limited.Overall i'd say they could be dangerous, but they have their limitations. While they may be hard to attack when they're up in the air and in your grill they would still be relatively lightly armored and could be taken down. Food and supplies would be a pretty big issue that would need to be sorted out. Do they carry supplies by air somehow? Or would they still somehow be limited to the ground?
>>33121558That kind of archery works when you can do tightly formed formations and volley en masse. Try to do that kind of stuff running or jumping as a coordinated group with stronger wind forces (Wind gets more intense as you go higher in the sky) and try to gauge how effective those volleys would be.
Foot-grasped, arm-pulled bows are often mentioned.>>33120151Because dragons do it first, and you see how well that works out for them.
>>33121612Again this is why I advocate for lazy harpies who cat with humans and read their books and eat their lasagna.
>>33121590Harpies can hover in the air because of the way their fly speeds work.
>>33121612>Also do these harpies have arms/hands3.5, Pathfinder, and 4e have been using six-limbed harpies.>>33121646>Because dragons do it first, and you see how well that works out for them.They win most of the time?
>>33121590So have the harpies bob in synch, what's the big deal.
>>33121224Kinda too easy to notice no? Humans aren't as dumb or unobservant as birds either.
>>33121590a.) It's not as difficult as trying to aimb.) I'm pretty sure harpies are capable of level flight, at least over short distances, via gliding or taking advantage of thermalsc.) It would take unplumbed depths of incompetence to aim a longbow at the ground and miss. d.) I'm no professional bird-watcher, but I've never seen a bird bob up and down in the air the way you're assuming harpies do. Also, another idea: harpy halberdiers. Worst idea, or merely bad?>>33121612I'd imagine they'd get good at standing on one leg.
>>33121612I like archaeopteryx-like wing structure with claws. Allows for finer manipulation and flight at once.
>>33121671The best way to do it is DEGREES of harpy, to ensure massive harpy strife and racism and strutting.So you have the 'pure' harpies who have wingarms and are all smug about it, and looks down on the have-arms-and-wings harpies who act smug they can use tools, who all sneer at the harpies who are basically humans with some down, and everyone is mocking the chicken harpies, and just keep ROLLING that shit until the party is ready to scream.Harpy gang wars.
>>33121584>Group comes across tribe of dodo harpies>bard attempts to communicate in hopes of passing through peacefully>alpha dodo humps bard's leg>one dodo falls out of her nest in the background, she dies
>>33121685Anon.Have you ever tried firing a bow while you were running?Because, while hard, that's still a helluvalot easier than what you are suggesting. You aren't going to get any sort of accuracy with arrows in the sky.And believe it or not, you actually do need to be moderately good at aiming a longbow to use it.
>>33121685>harpy halberdiersHarpy Dragoons.Harpy HUSSARS.
>>33121746Right. How about crossbows then? Don't have to hold it drawn while aiming, at least, although it might not be as good at the artillery role.
>>33121739>Dodo Harpies are all well meaning complete idiots>Are cursed so that whenever around other species, their luck goes to the worst possible>All anthropologist visits are fraught with deaths and tears from moron harpies>Cardinal harpy's face when
>>33121771With heavier bolts making gusts less of a problem and some way to crank, reload, and fire it with their feet, that might work.They would probably have to like, harness it on their body somehow to carry it. But then you could do cool dive-shots or summat.
>>33121750Now the idea of Harpy Dragoons makes some sense, if you only use the name "dragoons" i.e. mobile, fast moving infantry.Hussars? What the fuck are the Harpies riding exactly?
>>33121830>What the fuck are the Harpies riding exactly?Horses, duh. Which they use as mobile ground-to-air launch platforms to hit the sky and then duck back down for a fast escape or resupply.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/monstrous-humanoids/harpy>Captivating Song (Su)>A harpy's song has the power to infect the minds of those that hear it, calling them to the harpy's side. When a harpy sings, all creatures aside from other harpies within a 300-foot spread must succeed on a DC 16 Will saving throw or become captivated. A creature that successfully saves is not subject to the same harpy's song for 24 hours. A victim under the effects of the captivating song moves toward the harpy using the most direct means available. If the path leads them into a dangerous area such as through fire or off a cliff, that creature receives a second saving throw to end the effect before moving into peril. Captivated creatures can take no actions other than to defend themselves. A victim within 5 feet of the harpy simply stands and offers no resistance to the harpy's attacks. This effect continues for as long as the harpy sings and for 1 round thereafter. This is a sonic mind-affecting charm effect. The save DC is Charisma-based.Would this not dismantle armies better than any weapons could? It would help to have weapons too, of course, since they could both sing and shoot.
>>33121855Sounds like a way to provide the enemy cavalry with fresh horses for cheap... Was your plan losing?
>>33121874Harpy propaganda. Only one kind of small, rare, reclusive tribe can sing people to death.
>>33121830It's in reference to the Polish Winged Hussars, who wore wings on their backs as a form of intimidation/SWAG. Related topic: harpies would probably be surprisingly good at melee combat, since they can maneuver in three dimensions and intrinsically have a height advantage. Only their legs would be in easy range of the enemy's strikes, while all of the harpy's strikes would be directed at the head and upper body. Not to mention that, if an exchange goes poorly, they can simply disengage by flying away.
>>33121930Kinda makes me want to see some sort of dark martial arts harpy who uses her legs all Chun Li style, only with massive raptor talons for feet and limited flight.Harpies are fun.
>>33121930I know what it's a reference to, flying cavalry still makes no sense.I think Harpies would suffer from somewhat frail bone structure and light weight. One good hit would kill them.And any nation they regularly war against will come prepared with lots of ballistas and shields.
>>33122021Figure harpies would take two advantages -- stick to very high ground, thus ruling cloud nests and high mountains, and also take advantage of their incredible mobility and range to be guerrilla fighters of hit-and-runs and assassinations.
>>33122021>Ballistas>Siege engine>Flying targetsLots of crossbow/longbowmen, certainly. But no ballista. Besides, they're not actually cavalry. They're infantry who can fly. Really, they're more suited to raiding action than open field battle. Bring all the ballista and shields you want, they're not going to come out and fight you.
>>33122062Ballistas are very light siege engines, like giant crossbows really. It's more of a question of it being a demoralizing weapon. What would scare you more, a small bolt wounding or killing a comrade, or a giant fucking spear tearing his torso to bits and throwing him back a ways before he starts falling?
>>33122104The psychological impact seems are poor trade-off for the loss of maneuverability, rate of fire, and numbers. And, again, harpies don't seem to be the type to engage in open field battle. They seem more like raiders, so the typical engagement would be a small detachment of soldiers pitted against a larger, but not really /large/, raiding group.
>>33120151Because they tend to not have arms so they don't have all those nice things you mentioned, too hard to build so they fight unarmed.They're not danger to anyone prepared, quite armless really.
>>33121163Then we fall.
>Due to their incredible eloquence and keen observations when it came to cursing and mocking others, harpies have found a unique and modern niche to occupy>They serve as the sassy commentators for all battles, wars, and individual conflicts.>Why yes, Paladin Sally, that does mean your heroic battle with the dragon will be judged and loudly commented upon by two bored and mouthy harpy ladies behind a cardboard box.
>>33121025That looks more like a Raven then a Crow.All those blue-black glossy feathers.Though I suppose Unkindness doesn't have quite the same effect.
could tengu be considered a male version of harpies?How would you build a culture wheremales are tengu- monks very formal and small magic powersfemales harpies- wild, ruthless no controll whatever.
>>33122138> Party has to negotiate with queen of the harpies so their army will perhaps gain an ally in the upcoming war>enter into a meeting chamber filled with squawking, cursing, and a dodo harpy headbutting a wall>majority of conference is screaming harpies whilst the queen harpy demands more rice and human boys>barbarian slams his fist into the table and demands the harpies shut the fuck up!>gain harpies as ally through common fuckness
this thread reminds me that Monet is dead.RIP, I liked her so fucking much
>>33122242>crow harpy spends the entire time sort of slyly sidling up to them by hopping about and then making off with their shinies
I wouldn't play Dodo Harpies as dumb. Just utterly naive about the very concept of 'danger', having risen on an island with 0 natural or environmental dangers.Thus making them seem cheerfully suicidal and prone to getting beaten up outside of their protected little paradise.Thus a dodo harpy veteran of years in the outside world would be one who manages to graps that FIRE BURNS YOU AND IS HOT.
>>33122252Who is Monet? All I know of by that name is the famous old-time artist.
>>33122291They would certainly need the saving factor of a fast breeding/birth rate...although that would beg the question of how Dodo harpies get their mates, assuming they are an all female race like most of the other harpies.
>>33122318Harpy woman from a One Piece arc, had snow powers and worked with the 'bad guys' so to speak.
>>33122339Look for the brightly colored warbly ones. They LOOK like females, but, they're the males.
>>33122339Primitive humanoid natives, probably? Maybe elves who are similarly-useless strifeless hippies
>>33122318a gril from One Piece
>>33122339why do you assume sexual reprouction
>>33122474I..what else can I assume on how they reproduce? They just spawn from the ethos? Wheres the fun in not getting to watch awkward dodo harpy romance.
>>331224741: Probably because harpies seem like birds and like people, both of which reproduce sexually.2: Quite possibly because people on /tg/ are perverts.
>>33122495>getting to watch awkward dodo harpy romance.oh nomy heart
>>33122511>2: Quite possibly because people on /tg/ are perverts.>harpies holdin feet>cuz they can't holds handsutter perverts.
>>33122238I iamgine tengu has a close society and despise harpies. They interact with harpies only for sexual reproduction.
Had to alter it a bit to make it safe.Artist is dcwj from Deviantart.
>>33122511>conflating humans and people>aſſume iluscope
>>33120151Because the only type of harpy with any real intelligence is the cassowaryWho aren't the best fliers.
>>33121002Could be worse, he could describe how the harpy gets "splitroasted" before they're cooked
I remember seeing a video of a performer firing a bow with her feet. I think that that could work for a harpy with no arms. Swoop in over the target, do a loop, and at the top of the loop, with minimal gravity in effect, line the shot with their feet and fire.Now, assuming they have no problem holding the bow and arrow this way, where do you put the arrows such that they can be grabbed by the feet and they won't fall out during the loop?
>>33120151Potentially things like very low population density (it's got to be a pain to keep a harpy fed), disorganized culture, inter-tribe squabbling; there could be several reasons why harpies don't just take over even though they should in theory be able to utterly dominate in warfare, at least if they had some people on the ground to force the opposing side out of pure anti-harpy tactics and formations.
They're too busy feather-dusting, duh.
>>33122474I kinda want harpies to reproduce mainly through parthenogenesis with exogamy as an option.
>>33120151Because most of them are primitive monsters you cuntpipe
>>33124604thats not even a harpy thats a snakebird
>>33124628yea the glorious majestic snakebird from likesweden mythologyor something
>>33124604>>33124628A lillend.A couatl.
>>33124652what the fuck did you just call me you punkass
>>33122339>although that would beg the question of how Dodo harpies get their mates, assuming they are an all female race like most of the other harpies.They haven't grasped the fact that sex makes eggs and they think it's just a fun game to play with guests
>>33124724But sex doesn't make eggs.
>>33120151>longbows from the airHow the fuck do they draw a bow? Their wings get in the way, and their back muscles wouldn't let them draw and fly at the same time. Not to mention the fact that to reliably hit a target they'd have to move to normal bow range.>dropping alchemical incendiaries or explosivesSomeone's massively overestimating how much a birdlike person would be able to carry and remain airborne.
>>33124930>Someone's massively overestimating how much a birdlike person would be able to carry and remain airborne.If we're going by 3.5/PF rules... quite a lot, actually.
>>33121257>Also hell who says they don't do nutty shit with their ultrathunder thighs and just pull bow with two legs.Oh yeah? Do they hold the arrows and string between their massive meaty talons?Also, how do you fire a bow downwards without the arrow falling off before it's properly launched?
>>33124981I agreethen, given their anatomy, what should be a more efficient weapon?
>>33121516>flying in formationThat makes for an easy target>shooting in formation>sudden gust mixes up their positioningThose harpies are fucked
Come to think of it, we've never encountered harpies in a game even though we have a lot of semihuman/humanlike monsters in our setting.Actually, there was one bit in a city that punished minor crimes by turning criminals into "living sculptures" (sexy monstergirls or boys geased to stay in the city and obey the laws) for a few months, but that was a guy that got polymorphed into a harpy. The rogue and barbarian were in the same cell block and got turned into a pixie and a sphinx respectively shortly after that, broke the geas and stayed like that for a quite a while too. It's a comedic game with lite ERP/lewdness acceptable, nothing explicit though, at least not during full party sessions>>33124844Fertilized eggs I meant, saying they don't know sex makes babies sounds awkward for an egg laying race
>>33121852that looks more like a gryphon to me
>>33124490You really can't put the arrows anywhere, unless you hang a quiver below their feet so they can actually reach it. Of course, then it'd get in the way when they try to shoot.Archer harpies is a dumb idea.
>>33120786Toxic smoke, or even moderately thick smog, laughs at your air superiority
>>33121750>Have you ever tried firing a bow while you were running?>Because, while hard, that's still a helluvalot easier than what you are suggesting. You aren't going to get any sort of accuracy with arrows in the sky.>And believe it or not, you actually do need to be moderately good at aiming a longbow to use it.I thought that was the cover to dogs in the vineyard. >>Harpies in the AerieMake it happen /tg/
>>33120151Because in most settings, harpies are either dumb as bricks or too insane to care about imperialism
>>33124662Snakebird pls go>>pls
>>33121002Never seen that guy post around here, but I think he might be one of the ERPG regulars.He's actually a pretty cool bro>>33124315If it's who I think it is, he will, if you get into RP with him
>>33125053It's like you don't even know what a gryphon is, you pleb
Hippogriff riding cavalry would quickly become a thing.
>>33125282>ERPGWhere did those move to?Last I heard /d/ but they're not there and when I checked the /soc/ thread last it was dead
>>33120151They were taken out in an instant...
>>33125322I saw one on /d/ and never saw it again. I think the mods there want it to be image-related content only>>33125305You're forgetting that in most settings hippogryphs are fucking insane. The reason it's not already a thing is that there are so few people that can train them and survive
>>33125303there are several kinds of gryphons my friend
>>33120151The better question is why harpies, sirens, and other aerial people haven't been subjugated themselves in most fantasy settings, and thoroughly trained using falconry methods as pets and hunting assistants.
>>33120843>>33121739>>33121790>>33121147>>33121186>>33121257I really have to say the the ideas of both horrendously unlucky and adorably stupid "Kerbal Harpies" and foul-mouthed, violent, bling-obsessed "Cockney Harpies" are amazing to me. If I'm lucky enough to get a fantasy campaign off they round I'm fully intending on featuring one or both species.
>>33120151bird people would be pretty frail even or especially at a humanoid size. Their flight would be great for a number of reasons but it'd come with just as many set backs. It wouldn't really given them an insurmountable advantage. Sturdy cover and simple smoke, chemical, and light & mirror tactics would be enough to even the playing field. But that's just generic dirt shoveling peasant cultures. They'd have shit all against Dwarves or elves in deep wooded areas where the canopy would force them low enough to be shot at by bow.
>>33125741But do they come in 150 collectible varieties?
Harpies always just struck me as too territorial to work in anything bigger than small groups. Even when they're more sentient than screaming birds with tits.I can't see them invading anyone if they can't form an actual army.
>>33120151darts or knives seem more practical, or even just rocks. Longbows are difficult to produce and use and gain minimal benefits compared to other ranged options when you can't have massed firing formations, and you no longer care about things like range anymore, because your target is simply the ground.
>>33120291>gorillas>being able to infiltrate strongholds that can only be reached by flying creaturesOF course the real problem is that if you can draw harpies onto the ground they're even more fucked than anyone fighting them in the open would be.So...>harpies>fighting gorillas in their forest floor dwellings>not getting reckt by the branches and tight spaces>not getting snapped in half due to their weak bone structureSo ultimately the gorilla people and the harpies would be locked in an eternal but unresolvable conflict.
>>33125741Even the giant ones?
>>33120984>get this mental image of toriko coming to /tg/>"YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE DELICIOUS?ROAST HARPIES ON A BED OF RICE!
>>33126632They're either a niche market or they've subjugated humanity and thoroughly trained them as pets, food, and maybe sex toys
>>33126775I have no idea.
>>33126632They're the fast travel system. To get to another city you pay for a ride on the back of a trained roc-harpy.
>>33120151even basic magic would smoke a harpy, and flying around doesn't mean a bow won't knock you out of the sky. also, harpies aren't known for being particularly strong.if you want to talk about an airbourne beasty that could do serious damage, check out the garuda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda), which are a giant deific flying warrior badass race that wages war on naga.and, given this thread's content, a naga is fine too.anyway, harpies would work better as messengers or something (think the Rito in LoZ), given their delicate hollow bones and not being giant godbeasts and all that.
>>33126632>>33126843Found the guy's bloghttp://kemosyoujyo.blog71.fc2.com/Not quite sure what she's for (it's all in moon speak) but from what I can make out of google translate it's for a ERP RPG settingThere's some other stuff there about her, the only parts I can understand is that she's a bird/dragon lady, is very affectionate/horny with her riders, and either has in the past accidentally crushed/injured said riders with her breasts or she hunts by smothering prey with those titties
>research different kind of birds>realize how horrifying most kinds of harpy would be>not even gonna duck harpy
>>33127295Funny, that wasmy reaction to >>33122227
>>33127802Yeah, a lot of birds are only cute cause they're small>duck harpyWell keep in mind Harpies are usually monogendered so no corkscrew dicks unless futa harpySpeaking of monogendered harpies, if they have to reproduce using humanoid males, how would it work with a breed like >>33126632 one?
>>33127991>so no corkscrew dicks unless futa harpyof course there are futa duck harpieshide your maidens
>>33127991>>33128012Of course, we could just have duck harpies with LUDICROUSLY complicated birth canals. As such, mating with one is ludicrously difficult, and the species is dying out as a result.
>>33128053Which is why there are the futa duck harpies. And they just fuck 24/7, but it's not fun or even rape, just a lot of screaming and complaining, like breeding to survive is the same as solving the Sunday crosswords as fast as possible.Go by a lake for a stroll? See a lot of splashing and angry grunting? Just keep walking. Ignore the quacks.
>>33128083>>33128053New campaign idea.You are human sperm trying to make it to the egg of a duck harpy. Staying too long until fertilizing the egg results in a futa duck harpy cum along and obliterate the entire "dungeon".
>>33127991>if they have to reproduce using humanoid males, how would it work with a breed like >>33126632 one?>Giant female>Little man>SpelunkingThe answer is always SpelunkingHopefully she doesn't decide to take flight while you're busy, large flighted birds tend to be able to stay in the air for a looooong time
>>33128160>you fetilize an egg>insolent and grossly powerful futa harpy sperm impregnates the egg anyways>your child is the forced amalgam of mother, father, and you
>>33128217>And thus a new harpy futa is born
>>33128255>while you wasted time doing this she also managed to fuck and impregnate your mother, aunt, sister, wife, and daughter, also this chick named Jezebel down the street but she was always a bit freaky anyways
I think I haven't seen anyone considering harpies just being an adition to some other army.Like an alliance of harpies and lets say goblins. The goblins would provide the alchemy made bombs and the harpies will go toss that shit into enemy ranks while the goblins quite possibly will be the core of the army the harpies will be air suport. This way you don't need harpies to be that far advanced theywill just need some command structure. Hell they can do all kinds of tasks. From delivering orders to scouting, searching for food. harassment of the peasantry while the army is away even shitting in their water reserves.
>>33128281No, I was implying said amalgam of mother, father, and you was new futa harpy, your turn to impregnate harpies with your unholy spawn will come in a few years
>>33125741Okay, from now on in my DnD setting, harpies will be little cockney newspaper sellers and postmen.
>>33128281And people try to say futas aren't a dangerous plague to be eradicated.
>>33128323I've never had harpies in my campaigns before but because of this thread they will always be an amalgamation of the worst parts of chavs and monstergirls, barley able to work together much less work with a non-harpy, more interested with fucking someone up or sometimes just fuck them, generally being completely unpleasant to be around, and stupid enough that they're easier to train as an animal than a thinking being
>>33120304>You will never feel a cute harpie, naked without embarrassment, leaning to your body as you count gold coinsFuck this gay earth
>>33126632is that some kind of perhistoric harpy that's part dinobird? thats awesome
>>33128545>She will never suddenly grab a bunch of the shiny shiny coins and fly away>She will never fly low and slow enough for you to follow with a brisk walk back to her nestWat do?
>>33129154>goddamn harpy stealing my shit>this whole time she was booty calling me and trying to get me to chase her back to the nest
>>33125282Who is it?
Oh /tg/ always with the waifu.Never change.
>>33129154>>33129185>you will never drag her back to civilization and imprison her for continued crime with intent
>>33125361There's a fair amount of settings where gryphons are sapient, so if you were like "Hey there's a bunch of dickbag harpies wrecking our shit." they might well help you out.Or laugh at you and be like "serves you right." Again, depends on the setting.
>>33129242>she will never then tease you about caging her and all the terrible things you could do so you throw a blanket over her in irritation and she promptly collapses asleep since MUST BE NIGHT TIME
>>33129242>you will never drag her back to civilization and put her in an oversized birdcage to keep her as a pet>>33129272>blanketDon't be silly, that's what a falconry hood is for.
>>33129272>>33129284>you will never indefinitely keep her in the town dungeon for her viciously unrepentant behavior>you will never drag her, wings clipped, before a cheering crowd and hang her for her species' crimes
>>33129081See >>33127104Death by snu-snu harpy taxi/delivery service
>>33129320>you will never swoop down on your griffon steed>you will never rescue a harpy from the gallows and earn her love
>>33129397>presuming it's you earning her love and not the griffon
>>33129429>implying we can't share
>>33129459>implying birds condone third wheels
>>33129501Gay Swans certainly do.
>>33129549Yeah, but swans are faggots.
>>33121750>Winged Hussars>Winged Hussars>Winged HussarsMy sides have left orbit
>>33129501I kind of remember a species of bird where 3 males, with different roles who shared the same territory, shared the female
>>33129605>Polish speaking and accented harpies
>>33129501>being unfamiliar with the ruffhttp://www.vancouversun.com/technology/ruff+life+wingman/9840035/story.html
>>33129643>>33129609It's weird. Birds do not condone third wheels, but ruffs are perfectly fine with fifth wheels. I guess three's company, but five's an orgy.
>>33129643>and then there are the “female mimics” — smaller-sized fellows who pretend to be ladies before they make their moves.>girl is taken by the trapoh no my fetish
>>33125741This is a thing that's just starting to happen in my campaign setting (though they're being trained as scouts and skirmishers, mostly) because fantasy not-Hitler cares very little for the rights of non-human sapient creatures. One of the characters is slated to be a harpy trained as an assassin who escaped from an experimental training facility.
>>33129684More like girl strips down for guy and trap jumps out of his closet to fuck her before the guy can get his clothes off.Or the trap lays on the bed and lets the guy fuck him and then yells HAHA YOU DIDN'T INSEMINATE A FEMALE.
>>33125741>>33129714This makes me think of a setting with Flintstones treatment of magical beasts instead of having most magical items.Harpies for hunting and captured fairies instead of magic lamps and celestial elk pulling carriages and so on.
>>33120858>PathfinderGunslingers. Also, would you attack forces that outnumbered you 10 to 1 if you didn't have to?
>>33122227>actually got told that by a australian girl once>I couldn't stop laughing>she kicked my ass>still didn't stop laughingMan, that was a fun visit to the lesbian bar.
>>33120151Because they're mostly females.What does surpise me is they haven't been subjugated into brothelhood, they must stink.
>>33130756>Australian harpies demeaning you
>>33126632>>33127104>>33130899>Harpies are monogendered and breed with humanoid males>Gigantic death by snu-snu harpies>Whole flocks of them>Descending upon villagesHoly shit, those things would be the deaths of nations, there would be no civilization near where they lived or migrated
>this is why there's no flight magic in your world>go above a certain altitude and giant mobs of enraged harpies appear and punch you back down
Dont you friggin die on me! We havent even discussed what dodo harpies would look like, not sure if NSFW because of nips, but hey they're friggin mythological harpies.
>>33132199>dodo harpy>pic is clearly a chocobo
>>33132199Dodo harpies would like harpies.Who are dodos.
>>33132199>also perfect for being saddled and ridden
>>33132255Or maybe it's a super saiyan dodo bird. The one prophecized to lead her doomed people out of death and being eaten.Sadly even a super saiyan dodo is barely anymore competent than your average seagull, but, it's something.
>>33132255never said those were the dodos, I tend to just dump a related pic whenever I post
Well, the harpies figured out how to harvest resources from the skies back in the great war, ever since they've been using their zeppelins to do much of whatever the need, they're literally living in the world above. It didn't take long before their reach met with the stars, as they got to the moon first with space craft that simply had to take off from high altitudes and survive impact into the oceans. Eventually, they brought war, with their satellites dropping simple kinetic bombardments, they themselves moved into orbital colonies, always watching us, no longer of this world nor from another, simply visiting as they pleased as tourists and as conquerors.
>>33132907>'tourists'Like when you go to Thailand, eh
>>33131176>Living your life as a farmer just outside of town>Harvest looking good>Relaxing at the tavern>Someone comes running in yelling about monsters attacking from the sky>He points out the window>Look out window, is a a dragon?>No, just a flock of harpies, go back to drinking>A while later more screaming, see people running out the window "OI!!! YA WANNA FUK?">What? It's a little early for the whores to be prowling the streets>Stumble out to see what all the fuss is about>Holy shit, those are big harpies>Drunkenly stare at bit harpy titties and asses>Harpies begin tearing apart buildings"WHERE 'RE YA, DON'T KEEP ME LOOKIN'">Keep staring>People fleeing"WOT 'RE YA, A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS?">Keep staring>Harpies start carrying off people>Keep staring"OI, WOT YA LOOKIN' AT? SEE SUMMIT YA LIKE?">Harpy approaches you>Keep staring"KEEP STARIN' AND I'LL CLAW YOUR FACE MATE">She picks you up>Drunkenly slur something appreciative"EH, YOU'RE LOOKIN' ALWIGH' YOURSELF, WANNA FUK?">Slur out yes>She shoves you into her crotch>Disappear down the Harpy's cavernous snatch never to be seen again
>>33133822>not to be reborn as her adorable harpy chick
>>33133945Muh fetish, but let's not go there.
>>33133945>>33134230I was thinking about putting something like that in>>33133822>2 weeks latter"STEP OFF MY NEST BITCH, ME AND ME EGG NEEDS OUR ROOM">3 more weeks latter"'EY MOM, GET YOUR TI'IES OVER 'ERE I'M THIRSTY"
>>33134349>It is a well known zoological fact that every harpy in the world learns the same two words first -- "OI!" followed by, directed at their mother, "CUNT!"
>>33134634So it should of been>"'OI CUNT, GET YOUR TI'IES OVER 'ERE I'M THIRSTY"?
>>33134634>>33134731>all harpies are australianI can live with that.
economical reasonsthey don't really have a base for economy and it's economy which actually wins warsthey don't have fields to grow food, they aren't portrayed as shepherds either, they are kind of disjoined hunters, they don't have cities with their manufactures to make a lot of weapon and other gear, so they cannot really make a huge flying army because 1) they cannot get neither food nor decent weapon for it 2) they cannot really unite due to living as a lot of little tribes 3) they don't even have enough people because hunting cannot feed a lot of themthey can be devastating detachments as mercenaries though
>>33121224>Martha! I think Jane just grew wings overnight!>Oh, leave her alone Joe, it's a girl thing.
>>33135397>Martha, that girl don't like country music no mo! I am FED, UP!>No darling we're not talking about bird feed, go play with your dolls.>harpy daughteru ripping apart a bunch of action figures while her human brother cries>Daww ain't they cute.
>>33134782It was supposed to be cockney but australian's fine too
>tfw you will never be a pigeon harpy, just getting free food and pooping on any statue you so please...I'm actually not sure what kind of feel this is.
Crows are attracted to shiny things...>OI CUNT GINNIE DA SHINY!>It's a whistle>YE CAN CALL IT A CUNTBAG! I DON'T GIVE A FUCK! GIMMIE DA SHINY!
>>33136236>OI CUNT WHAT DOES "YOUR FUTURE" AND "A PACKA CROWES" GOT IN COMMON>A MURDER>OOH A COIN
>>33136236>Give sparkly, me! Give twinkly, me! Give me, sparkly-twinkly!>Caw!
>>33136236crows are among the very smart animals btw
>>33136429what, did they go to bird school, which is for the birds?
>>33136449No, they're just highly intelligent and good at problem-solving. Apparently Rooks are among the smartest of the lot.
>>33136503For example, crows in Japan have been seen going out onto crosswalks while the light is red, leaving shelled nuts in line with car tires, then coming back the next time the light turns red to get the now-cracked nuts to eat.New Caledonia crows in particular are accomplished tool users, and can solve complicated multi-stage puzzles with only a few minutes of effort, and if given wire or sticks will work them into different shapes to hook food. They're also known to teach other crows any new inventions in stick 'design' they come up with.
>>33136838>drop stones in jars of water to make the water rise enough to drink from itIsn't that one of Aesop's fables?
>>33136867Where did you think he got it from?
>tfw your crow gf glows like a light whenever she shows off the fact she can open a jar or use a wire to grab things to you
>>33136449Some birds just have a firm graps on cause and effect beyond the usual 1 or 2 step logic of most animals. In that same vein of logic, Crows can use tools to do what they generally aren't physically equipped to do themselves, like pry roadkill off of asphalt.
>>33137710>standing around>some goddamn harpy scoots over to lean down and untie your shoes before CAWing and scuttling off to giggle like an idiot
Is there any sort of media that deals with the troubles of integrating monsters into normal soceity and dealing with the diverse (and macabre, as far as humans are concerned) issues having creatures of this kind attempt to do so such a thing (some who might need to consume human meat to survive, regardless of their personal believes or rationalizations of the errors of this)?Cause I now want to read the shit out of that.
>>33137798Finding her sisters no doubt to retell the event in a completely overblown fashion and brag about how she knocked you right on your ass.
This thread is why I love /tg/, you take an idea and just run with it.If I ever run a game again, and I find players who are cool with actual roleplaying, I'm doing cockney accent...I better get practicing for this thing that may or may not ever happen, my cockney sucks.
>Raven harpies>The smartest class of Harpies,basically the elite>Belived to be fallen angels due their magical powers, and said magical powers are similar to the Hexen/Heretic series>If you see more than 6 at the same time,they are about to kill or capture anything>Anything the capture ends up being their slave or turn it into one of them if it's a bigger to on par threat to themTheir arsenal could be reskins of Heretic/Hexen weapons
>>33138159>these are all actually lies perpetuated by the smart ravens to just keep their siblings away so they can be left alone to play jokes and be sassy
>>33138159And before someone asks me why Heretic/Hexen stuff is related to them,is because Heretic and Hexen usually reference a lot to Ravens[mostly because the studio was named Raven Soft.] so it makes sense referencing what they are[sorta]
>>33138147Better in text. Double better if the players have to act like it's another language, with primer to read from and everyone gets to make up their own harpytalk.>Ok gotta greet them, even with my awful accent; I'm the Diplomancer. Here goes!>"Oi. You 'orrible cunt. I'll nip yer bits off wit' me teeth, swear on me mum. Lemme bum a fag or a brew ya berk."
>>33120151>Even in a fairly low tech and low magic setting, longbows from the air and dropping alchemical incendiaries or explosives should obliterate most forms of resistance through sheer attrition. Sorry, airpower doesn't work like that.
>>33138434Oh god, I could only imagine. Though I'd really like to get good at the accent and just out of no where introduce the harpies (though it seems a bit "magical realm" to do it that way, even if this is just a behavior thing and not really anything fetish-y).I think the players could really be thrown for a fun loop if they just happen upon a group of harpies in the crags near a mountain and one yells out:>OI! YOU CUNTS BETTER GET OUT OF MY CRAIG! I'LL CUT YA, I SWEAR ON ME BROOD-MUM!
Hummingbird harpies could be something like that hyperactive girl that runs fast as shit but with wings,hard to deal with them because they talk too fast, it sounds like a new language
>>33139047>humming harpies are all superhyperactive super-high lolis who run around smashing into things making airplane noises and speaking faster than the ears can followmy heeeaaaart
>>33139120Anon, you will get annoyed by that shit by the week. I would know, I work in a Japanese elementary school and I'm the local attraction because I'm foreign. God fuckign damn it, those little shits are obnoxious. I like kids, but when they start behaving like crazy shrill robots it gets on your nerves.
>>33120843How can it be so adorable?
>>33121163They'll ape it.
>pet harpy in a bird cage, trained like a falcon, only for sexy instead of huntingthatismyfetish.jpgBut more seriously and on an earlier note, why would a harpy use a bow at all? wouldn't they be able to fly high enough that whatever missile they had would hit terminal velocity on it's own? Wouldn't the terminal velocity of a five or ten foot javelin be both enough to be fatal against light armor? They could even fetch it with their own feathers, and then they know which kill is theirs. And javelins are much easier to make, even tribal savage harpies could do it. It could even be an old traditional hunting technique, I'm imagining harpies on an African savannah kind of territory hunting herd animals with dropped javelin.Against armored foes, they could use metal, but that might be out of their tech abilities... but it would still make them viable auxiliaries if they were armed by other races.
/tg/: from "Why don't flying races win by exercise of air superiority?" to "Giant chav/cockney/australian exogamist unbirth harpies"
This also counts as a Harpy, right?
I just realized something.What if harpys were dinosaurs.Like all harpys and lizard like races have common ancestors.Dinosaurs that talk with British accents.Trex sounds like an fucking ork."I Am Kin' of the bloomin' bloody Fuckin' dinosaurs yor gonnan 'ave ter do better than that,RAAAAAGH!!"and the older dinosaurs speak like peasants,"well one is fie ah doddle planet eatah dane't doh much but eat and try not to dry out."OR""mate one is ah coelophysis and myself and one's 19 cousins aaare gonnah grape yah." Oh stop it! You tease!
>>33120304>No one will ever humbly ask you to fuck his Harpy daughter
>>33141946Usually harpies have human faces, but really as long as it's got a significant amount of both human parts and bird parts (as this one does) I don't think too many people will raise an eyebrow if you call it a harpy.
>>33141949>no one likes dinosaur harpies.Am tryin my hardest /tg/
>>33142097Their long necks, short torsos and weird arm-legs are creeping me out. I assume that's the point, though.
>>33121229But some people can shoot bows with their feet.I imagine harpies, whom may only have talons to work with, may as a culture more regularly practice with talon archery. They may even make bows specially designed for their talons.Hmm... I wonder. Do you think harpies have specially designed weapons that fit their talons? Like swords or lances or axes designed specifically to be used by a harpy for maximum stab/slash?
>>33142068All are, aren't they? Seeing as birds are living dinosaurs...
>>33142307No see their just dinosaurs that talk.somehow they got human forms along the way.Imagine traveling back into the past 35 million years ago and find out it's London but with dinosaurs.the ice age was the revolution for dinosaurs.
>>33142395finally a related picture
>>33142428Am so sorry.I have horseradish my fimairy
Do you folks suppose that this thread is deserving of archival? I'm tempted to submit it to Sup/tg/ for the Dodo and Cockney Harpies.>Dodo Harpy spies you across the plateau, and is so taken by the sight of you that she gleefully makes a bee-line right for you, not caring about the GIANT RAVINE between you while at the same time not remembering that she CAN'T FLY OVER IT.>Imagines flightless Dodo Harpies as being chubby, stupidly-stacked halfling-sized idiot-birds.
>>33142688What kind of question is this? Of course you should do it.
>>33142798Is that a guy or girl?
>>33142798>eating pasta without sauceFucking disgusting.
>>33142912>Not frying onions and using some of the leftover oil as a substituteIt's like you don't even want your pasta to taste of anything.
>>33141493>"Giant chav/cockney/australian exogamist unbirth harpies"Speaking of that, it was a pain to write the dialogue. I ended up using an English to cockney translator I found online. Anyone got tips for writing a cockney accent? Or at least a translator that doesn't censor anything the least bit vulgar by translating it into bizarre things that rhyme with it.
>>33142688>>33142798Archived the thread. Be sure to vote it up!>That irritated yet amused feeling when you keep having to save that pudgy Dodo-Harpy following you everywhere from waddling straight into danger.
>>33143436http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Cockney>That feeling when you learn her actual name is DoDo.>That feeling when you learn that ALL their names are DoDo.>That feeling when she is thrilled when you give her the name DeeDee.
>>33142923Ankh is the best character in that show.
>>33144328Eh, every character in that show is the best character in that show.
>>33142097>>33142139>>33142153>>33142161But anon~, harpies are supposed to be adorable and birdbrained, not malevolent!Gosh it's like you don't even know pop culture.
>>33144371Room enough for all varieties, I wager.
>>33123836>Because the only type of harpy with any real intelligence is the cassowary>cassowary>Cassowary Harpies>INTELLIGENT CASSOWARY HARPIES
>>33144679They all look like >>33126632 with a bald head
>>33130671Gryphons aren't harpies, faggot.
>>33120151Because people would want to play them. as a DM it's horrific when party is able to just fly away. It's a miserable experience for everyone involved.
>>33147172The party once tried that in a Rogue Trader game I ran.Apparently they completely forgot about the AA Guns that tracked their ship on the way in.
>>33148209you can't have every single NPC guard, town villain foe ooze, wild boar, pack of lions, shoot arrows.
>>33148471Not with THAT attitude you can't.
>>33148471The point is, there can always be a bigger fish in the sea. Make detterents.Harpy tastes pretty nice to hippogriffs or a flight of passing drakes.
>>33149255Or better yet, dragons hired to killed the harpy pest. Hell, I could even think of that as a setting now...
>>33149385Harpies nest in specific regions due to McGuffinite in the mountains which deters their natural predators which are rife in the outside world, likewise why when they need to travel from their aeries they do so in large numbers. Some aerial predators, like sharks of the sky that predate almost exclusively on other aerial creatures, something which makes flying large distances extremely dangerous