The wiki: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_HeresyThe google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TAl_Rh3q0UR3cqX6Pbn-4TnB87BS-GrFrax-ErtOL2E/editFinishing the Primarch Battlefield's role List.If by the end of the thread some Legions have no roles, they get the Fist.Also, don't let Rook see this.
>>34524479Oh, leave Rook alone.
>>34524479Alright, so to begin.Barrow Lords: Air Deployment/Mobile WarfareThese are the guys who spend days observing their enemy, targeting weak points in their lines, setting up artillery positions, and then screaming overhead in jets to air-drop a Landraider.Being a pilot is an honor and they have lots of airborne artillery and the like.They also maintain a sizable legion fleet (as you might expect), unlike many legions, the fleet is made of fast ships and carriers.
>>34524445Much appreciated, it does actually help a lot...In all honesty, I used to write a lot in high school, but dropped out of it, and am kind of trying to ease myself back into it.
>>34524479Question for the masses:What if, to increase the "tech" aspect of things, but not increase the power level much beyond what's already a thing in canon, what if the War Scribes had their Legion equipped with a majority of things that *exist* in 30k canon, but are considered advanced even for that period, like Fellblades, Sicarans, Cerberus Tank Destroyers, Spartans, Jetbikes, etc. Things that 30k Legions would have had, but only in small quantities, instead the War Scribes have in significant quantities. Presumably they would have been the original discoverers of those patterns (Focusing attention on their core attribute, Data Processing and Research), and later shared them with the other Legions. This makes it so I can have a "high tech" Legion, but not a Legion firing black hole cannons or time traveling Terminators or some shit.True "Archaeotech" relics would be on a case by case basis, but would then mostly be swept under the rug and left on the sidelines, not taking center stage and shouting "Look at me! I drive the plot!". They would exist, but in ambiguous quantities and roles, more as window dressing than anything else. Thoughts? Would this make sense and help streamline the War Scribes?
>>34524479The List So Far:Legion Warfare specialization/Legion StrengthI) Knights of Justice – Air AssaultII) War Scribes - Tactical Analysis /Tech AffinityIII) Silver Spears - IV) Sons of Fire – Purgation/Area Denial – 150,000V) Void Angels – Terror TacticsVI) The Entombed - Auxiliary Shock Troops – 10,000VII) Scions of Europa -VIII) Children of Armok – Manipulation, politics, espionage, and highly informed ambushes/rapid surprise tactical assaultsIX) Horns of Ruin - DemolitionX) The Crusaders - Mechanized WarfareXI) Wolves of Dawn/Heralds of Hektor – Shock Assault – 170,000XII) Life Bringers – Biological Warfare/Planetary ReseedingXIII) Nova Defenders – Ranged Warfare/Plasma WeaponryXIV) Black Augurs - PsykerXV) Barrow Lords – Air CavalryXVI) Eternal Zealots - Fast Attack, Medicae and Close CombatXVII) Gorgers – Bloody Close Assaults – 150,000XVIII) Sand Keepers -XIX) Eyes of the Emperor – Ranged warfare/Artillery SpecialistsXX) Iron Rangers – Assault force/Deep strike/Assassination/GuerrillaXXI) Council of Iron - XXII) Thunder Kings – Protracted Conflicts/AttritionXXIII) Silver Cataphracts - Attrition – 160,000+XXIV) Mastodontii – Armoured Warfare – 120,000XXV) Scale Bearers – Jungle BeastmastersXXVI) Steel Marshalls – Engineering, TechmarinesXXVII) Stone Men – Deep Strike/Heavy Bombardment
>>34524551Culturally, they draw a bit from the Ancient Near East with some other shit going on.They believe that at the core of humanity is a beast that must be tapped. This core of ferocity is what drives their actions, both the care in which they take in planning operations and in the near blood lust of the actual execution.One of the big parallels is the Phoenecians with their whole naval superiority thing going on, which I'm mirroring in their air-cav tactics.If people are cool with void operations being a thing for spess muhreens, they do that too.
>>34524586I'm thinking of the War Scribes company being surprised by the sudden powers possessed by the Augers, and are overwhelmed by them. I'm thinking giant misshappen limbs, dozens of mouths shooting out from their bodies with razorsharp teeth chewing whole marines apart, and some with tentacle hands holding onto bolters blasting them away. Then some Scribes being crushed into balls, or outright exploded. In short, it is a massacre.
>>34524534You mean this, right?
>>34524499No, we need to get these things finished up already. We've gone too many threads without coming to a consensus, whichever way it happens to go.
>>34524601The Updater doing the work!Man, you should your tag so that people know who does the work. Answer is: this guy!
>>34524194Well they could technically form a new Warband, with the survivors or if we come out relatively unscaved, those that are most loyal to Bloodseer forming the core of his new Haruspex Warband.Also glad you like the idea. Essentially what they'd be is Chaos Grey Knight Paladins.>>34524359I could put writefag stories on my list of other things I am working on.Oh, related note, I'm thinking the Terminator Armor used by the Haruspex could be the Stryx Pattern Terminator armor, and basically be the Aegis Terminator Armor mixed with the Tartaros Pattern. Mostly the Helm from the later.
Do we have a comprehensive list of all the legion tactics and what not? Looked like you guys were trying to sort each legions specialities out. Obviously me and Voidwatchers legions are the sorcerer legions.
>>34524551Alright, so this leaves a few questions:1) what are you attacking these weak points with?2) are you charging or using artillery3) are you going to arty or tank?
>>34524628I wanted to post a real thousand yard stare, but yeah, that.
>>34524601Legion Strength for the War Scribes is 100,000. Also, they're not "Tactical Analysis", they're "Data Analysis/Recovery". Some of it *is* tactical, but most of it is larger scale government/political/lore/relics stuff that happens more out of combat.
>>34524601>The List So Far:>Legion Warfare specialization/Legion Strength>I) Knights of Justice – Air Assault>II) War Scribes - Tactical Analysis /Tech Affinity>III) Silver Spears - >IV) Sons of Fire – Purgation/Area Denial – 150,000>V) Void Angels – Terror Tactics>VI) The Entombed - Auxiliary Shock Troops – 10,000>VII) Scions of Europa ->VIII) Children of Armok – Manipulation, politics, espionage, and highly informed ambushes/rapid surprise tactical assaults>IX) Horns of Ruin - Demolition>X) The Crusaders - Mechanized Warfare>XI) Wolves of Dawn/Heralds of Hektor – Shock Assault – 170,000>XII) Life Bringers – Biological Warfare/Planetary Reseeding>XIII) Nova Defenders – Ranged Warfare/Plasma Weaponry>XIV) Black Augurs - Psyker>XV) Barrow Lords – Air Cavalry>XVI) Eternal Zealots - Fast Attack, Medicae and Close Combat>XVII) Gorgers – Bloody Close Assaults – 150,000>XVIII) Sand Keepers ->XIX) Eyes of the Emperor – Ranged warfare/Artillery Specialists>XX) Iron Rangers – Assassination/Guerrilla>XXI) Council of Iron - >XXII) Thunder Kings – Protracted Conflicts/Attrition>XXIII) Silver Cataphracts - Attrition – 160,000+>XXIV) Mastodontii – Armoured Warfare – 120,000>XXV) Scale Bearers – Jungle Beastmasters>XXVI) Steel Marshalls – Engineering, Techmarines>XXVII) Stone Men – Deep Strike/Heavy BombardmentSorry, just had to adjust something.
>>34524652I'd been originally thinking planes and dudes dropped from planes--breacher marines and terminators, borrowing from the idea that they were treating ground battles like a boarding action.2The artillery is used for a few salvos at the beginning and to misdirect enemy forces.3I'm not really sure, to be honest. I'd originally been thinking heavy vehicles were best suited to air drop (you want to get the most dakka and heavy you can in and they'd have the chassis to take it), so Cerberus, Typhon, Sicarans, and Landraiders as opposed to lighter tanks like Preds.They definitely don't use basilisks on a regular basis. Only reason I'm uncertain is because the light and mobile whirlwind seems pretty useful, and complementary with the louder, more obvious Fire Raptor.
>>34524638I've done these lists, the Isstvan V Map, Sigils for about seven legions, and a Legion (Not telling which).I haven't had this much fun since Unremembered Empire.
>>34524592I'd assume they get a lot of shiny toys, so grav guns and volkites all around. Most terminators probably get terminator+1 armor, dreads are mostly Contemptor or Contemptor+1.More sicarans than preds, etc.You might have some sort of thing that they used once during the siege of Terra before sealing it away to await the final battle.
>>34524684Hmm maybe the Sand Keepers should be the Tactical Analysis stuff since we make use of divination and sorcery to predict what is going to happen. I believe me and Voidwatch had a discussion about how our primarchs and legions would employ the use of our divination different. Of course if I am wrong or you guys see some kind of error in this feel free to correct me.Darius is good at seeing the bigger picture and coming up with over all strategy. They find where the enemy is, and know certain events are going to happen but they don't know when. He pretty much says okay, this is how it is, its up to you guys (his captains) to make sure it happens. The Voidwatch however is more tactical and precise. He uses his divination to find the weaknesses in the enemy and pick them apart. If I recall the original legion tactics were that of hit and run and ambushing.
Much like their Primarch, the Knights favour any strategy that will allow them to close quickly with the enemy and defeat them. Their preferred instrument for this is the Zig-pattern Thunderhawk Gunship, modified with extra armour but with reduced troop carrying capacity, which carries them right into the heart of the enemy following bombardment from the Zigs or friendly artillery. Once engaged the Knights dispatch their foes in high-intensity close quarter exchanges, whether it be with ranged or melee weapons, constantly moving to never give their goes a chance to regroup. As capacity in the Zigs are limited, the Knights use less heavy weaponry than normal, relying on grenades or fire support to deal with harder targets. In addition the Knights place a heavy burden on their Thunderhawks, this leaves little resources for maintaining other vehicles. Nevertheless, to witness an assault by the Knights is to witness the Emperor's fury made manifest.Please copy over to 1d4chan, and r8 me bby
>>34524723Alright, then, let's work on 2 and 3. If you're shelling the damn place, you don't need tanks. If you're airdropping tanks, you don't need artillery.Further, are your forces going to be focused on heavier forces (termies/land raiders), or lighter (tactical/assault squads/predators)?
>>34524729Well, plenty of edits are going to be made today, you gonna have your fun!
>>34524619So far as fluffing it all goes, they think of themselves as heroes and monsters from their legends. Different Guilds tell different legends and fight differently based on that.Perhaps they don't have very many dreadnoughts, preferring instead to stick battle brothers inside aircraft as a great honor.In the culture of the legion, being a pilot is a big deal, it's sort of honorable single combat.
>>34524627Oh. Hm. See the issue is they're more like the Thousand Sons, less mutations and stuff but lots of sorcery and demon summoning. So you could do something similar except the firefight might start out similar but then the Augurs start opening portals that demons spill out of. Marines just start breathing fire or shooting mind bullets from their fingertips. The same basic ideas but without the fleshchange aspect. Is that alright?>>34524640Bloodseer, has anyone ever told you that you're the fucking bee's knees? It would be awesome if you could do a few writefags. The thing I meant about the not forming a warband is that it's hard to have an all Terminator warband. The more I think though I think it would be better if they were the Terminator elite of the Augurs and remained with them and their various covens across the galaxy after the heresy. Also that armor sounds really awesome. Do you mean the helm from the Tartaros or Aegis? I'm having a brainfart because I'm so tired and can't remember which is the latter.
>>34524783Yeah you hit it right on the head. Even using precognition in the middle of a fight to predict your opponents next move.
>>34524841It is perfectly fine. I'll get to working on it soon.I can work with that quite easily.
>>34524833I like yours. For mine, the aircraft are but a tool, but you've got a whole reverence for them going on. 10/10 man
>>34524781People weren't happy that my Primarch originally had a big grav gun, so I think I'll stay away from that one. Volkites maybe would be more prevalent as War Scribes infantry standard kit than other Legions would have. It's said in canon that Volkites were *the* standard Marine Legionnaire weapon until demand outstripped supply. Perhaps the War Scribes simply took advantage of superior logistics and forge production caused by their acquisition of the relevant lore, to ensure *they* at least had a plentiful enough supply to maintain that status? Volkites aren't archaeotech in 30k, but they are cool and high tech, so unless people object to it, that seems like a logical compromise, giving me the fluff, without making the power level insane by making up new types of weaponry. And as far as Terminator +1 armor and such goes, I think that unless you're just talking about Artificier or master-crafted gear, I don't want to say that War Scribes Terminators are actually a *better pattern*, just that they're made with more care and skill, again because they have more of the appropriate manuals and textbooks to do so. Does this seem logical, guys?
>>34524797Let's go with airdropping tanks because:1, that's badass2, it fits their styleI'm thinking they'll tend heavier, termies and land raiders and breaching marines. They're thinking in terms of boarding actions, after all. Also termies would allow them to carry heavy weapons and hammer away at point blank range.
>>34524869Remember, lots of maniacal laughter from the Augurs. They're evil sorcerers who are just getting to use their new powers to tear their enemies apart for the first time.
>>34524879>>34524833Alright, how about one of you two is Airborne, while the other one Air Assault? There is a very distinct tactical difference between the two...
>>34524879Ooh, you have given me an idea!Perhaps they see being a pilot not just as a knight and steed, but as a way of putting on the mantle of the sea monster. Towards that end, many planes would have mouths and eyes painted on them.
>>34524916I'd agree with you, but at day's end there have to be boots on the ground to capture objectives.Or how would you articulate the difference?
>>34524953>>34524916Oops! Ignore me! Big difference. Sorry!
>>34524841Not lately no, thanks by the way. I'll brain storm a few concepts.Oh I get you, it would be like the Atramentar from the Night Lords. I was more thinking a rather small core, like Bloodseer's Command Squad and two other Squads going with him and the rest being seeded out through the remaining covens of the Legion, similar to Incubi of the Dark Eldar. With them serving the Vates of those Covens, but ultimately answering to Bloodseer.The Tartaros' helmet, I love that MK IV look. Aegis is the Grey Knights style.So far through brain storming the Styx Pattern has an inbuilt Psychic Hood, frequently the Combi Bolter is mounted on the wrist of one of the arms.
>>34524909I still need to know what battle it is before I can do anything because apparently Istvaan doesn't work.
>>34524896Alright, so you're expecting/dishing out insanely tough fights. Maybe not sieges, but definitely against heavily entrenched foes.>Oh, Pandora, you were doing so well until you played Nickelback.Anyways, so you're putting more emphasis on shock tactics. That's a start.>>34524916Airborne is for an assault, or to capture and hold.Air Assault is for hit-and-run.>Note that Air Assault can capture and hold, but Airborne deployments are significantly harder to hit-and-run.
>>34524811I always do.Now, I need two legions for the Battle of Paramar. One Loyalist, one Traitor.Who wants this battle?Also here's the Legion Org Chart so everyone can make their Legions right.
>>34524894>>34524990Arelex, where would are two legions have an engagement if not Istvaan? Being the antithesis of your legion and everything that your forces can't stand it would make sense that at some point during the heresy they fought. Can you think of anywhere that would have happened?
>>34524932Sounds awesome!>>34524993I'm happy to go for Air Assault, I can't see the Knights having much staying power.
>>34524989Forgot the MAGIC RUNES! On the armor
>>34525016fill me in on this Paramar thing. I was apparently supposed to get into an engagement with Scale Bearers around the time of/just before Istvaan V>>34525044>>34524993Mix shock tactics with Air delivery and you've got take and hold. You're fucking shit up and keeping the motherfucker. And, while you're at it, fucking anyone who comes near it.Airborne Shock Assault, booyah.
The Knights do this:>>34524784for great justice.
>>34525036Unfortunately, I'm not up on all the battles and lore of the Heresy novels and such. I'm only familiar with the big events, like Isstvan and Nikaea and such. If you're all about trickery and sneak attacks, it would make sense that we fought a lot across the Atalantos Worlds, the War Scribes' Ultramar analogue near the Galactic Core. It'd be loosely similar to the Alpha Legion dueling the Ultramarines to keep them away from Terra during the Heresy.
>>34525100>>34524990>>34524861Idea:>War scribes take off towards terra>Hektor sends Voidwatcher to keep that from happening>Fight ensues, Hektor escapes, shows up in Sol system with a lot of news...
>>34525044>>34525074>>34524993Cool. Airborne it is, I think.Dropping tanks out of planes and wrecking people's day.Like a fucking honey badger.I think they use air assault feints to lead up to and in support of a massive airborne strike.>>34525074Paramar is pretty awesome. Alpha Legion goes to steal some admech shit, but an iron warriors fleet unaware of the heresy shows up for a resupply.The Alpha Legion attacks anyway and there's a massive titan battle and the Iron Warriors stay loyal.
>>34525074So first wave is the mobile shock troops,then second wave brings in the troops to hold the line?>>34525080For great justice! i was wondering when someone would get it
>>34524989>>34525045I like that idea a lot. It makes it so that there can always be Haruspex among the covens but still keeps them basically their own separate force. Alright, the helmets are good. Mark IV is my favorite helmet style after the Aegis ones (which are so greyknight that you can't use them anywhere else) and the ones that the Sons of Horus Reavers have. The inbuilt Psychic Hood is a must and so is the power glaive, which I've kinda decided is the weapon of the Black Augurs. I'm not sure about the combi-bolter on the arm though because it strays a little too close to being like a Grey Knight. also yes fuckloads of MAGIC RUNES and MAGICAL TALISMANS. >>34525148Perfect, how does that sound Arelex and Alexandri? A skirmish to keep them busy that also kinda turns into a mini-massacre. Is that cool?
>>34525148More than capable of handling that.
>>34525172Nobody got that?That's like, basic...>>34525190>>34525193Glad I could help...
>>34525209Nobody called me out on it when we were making the Legions. Guess I was subtle enoughHYDRA DOMINATUS
>>34525148That could be the post-Isstvan event series that causes Arelex to go berzerk in the Ultima Segmentum. After such a monumental betrayal and the death of most of his Legion, he flips out and sees treachery everywhere, unleashing LOADS of archaeotech planet-wrecker weapons on everything in sight. Chasing the Voidwatcher down could be a big part of that, and the Voidwatcher could be laying a trail for Arelex to follow, farther and farther from Terra. The Voidwatcher might even hope to turn Arelex to Chaos, either to Khorne (RAGE), Nurgle (My Legion is basically dead, I am despair incarnate), SLannesh (EXCESSIVE USE OF ARCHAEOTECH), or even Tzeentch (I hope beyond hope to kill the goddmaned Voidwatcher). Arelex doesn't fall to Chaos, because Primarch ___________ brings him back to his senses after the Emperor goes onto the Throne, and takes Arelex back to Terra to work on the High Lords and what not, but turning Arelex could have been the Voidwatcher's primary or secondary objective.
>>34525172I think so. And the waves keep coming until you. take. the. fucking. point.Not quite attritional warfare, but something close.>>34525182On the other hand, the Barrow Lords drop units in for feints and the like, while seeding and setting up concentrations behind enemy lines (stealthed termies and shit)Then the planes fly over, droping the tanks and fire raptors go brrrrrrrrrrrt and the whole LZ lights up as the heavy tanks and infantry go to work dicing up enemy units, while the feint units are pulled back and exfiltrated?Thoughts?
>>34525172>>34525155Alright, the two wave thing is more of an Air Assault tactic.Airborne, you don't want to risk your planes full of dudes more than once, so you basically have one chance to shoot your load on the enemy, so you do, en masse.Air Assault, you're actually fairly well protected, so you can deliver troops in waves.
>>34525246Might be Sargon. The two seemed to be in concord at Nikea and the two would have similar interests. Unless Sargon is dead.
>>34525190Arm mounting would be up to personal preference of the user. I figured it would work better for Close Combat forces.Reavers do have a nice helmet, that modification of the MK IV is great, perhaps after the fall they look more like that.
>>34525272Which one am I?We seem to be doing different things, I'm just not sure who is who. >_< Forgive me, it's like 3 here.
>>34525259Drop the feints. I know what you're going for, but you're just making things a bit more complicated for yourself. Single battles should be simple. They're complicated enough, so you want a simple plan that can carry through even the thickest of skulls.Instead, switch to dropping dudes/tanks from multiple directions to flank your opponent
>>34525296Yeah, it's too sharp for it to be around before then. Yeah you're right, especially if they have a weapon in their other hand.Man I would love to convert and paint up some minis of these guys if I had the talent and the money.
>>34525311No worries, same time roughly here, and I'm drunk. You would be Airborne. Drop and stay.>>34525245Knights, you can keep the Air Assault.
>>34525318Alright. Perhaps their masterwork battles involve feints and the like, but yeah, I see what you're saying. Keep it simple, especially at this stage.
>>34525289Could be. I'm headed to bed though, so I'll catch you guys up in the morning. I hope you all get your Legions straightened out, so that cuts are unnecessary, but if not, do try to remember that it's not personal, and we welcome your refined ideas as later Successor Chapters!
>>34525362Yeah, exactly. Keep your core ideas core, focus on flushing those out, and move out from there.
>>34525355I hear that. Well I am off for the night, catch you all next time.
>>34525401>>34525367Have a good one, fellas. I'm about the head out to eat. Be back in about 20.
>>34524699Wait, since when are my Steel Marshalls techmarines?
>>34525399>>34525421Bugger me, it's late.I'm probably going to have to get to sleep soon.Still, I'm thinking at this point the legion is fairly clear in its idea, just a matter of writing it up.I'm hoping that this is enough for tonight to keep the barrow lords around?Here comes the sum up:
>>34525457Whoa, I've never actually seen the Steel Marshalls guy.
OP of the original Create Your Own Legion thread here. Just wanted to say that you guys are all doing the Emperor's work.
>>34525484I do indeed exist.
>>34524479>>34525477The Barrow Lords specialize in airborne operations.They carefully observe their foe, looking for a weak point. Once this is identified, they attack aggressively. Terminator units appear behind enemy lines, either having been earlier infiltrated or teleported in. The planes fly over, dropping tanks, fire raptors go brrrrrrt, and the whole area lights up as the heavy tanks and infantry move in for the kill.After such a battle, all that is left are piles of enemy dead.Should an enemy then attempt to assault that position, they will find not only stiff resistance from the now dug-in Barrow Lords, but also another attack being launched elsewhere on their lines.The Barrow Lords venerate aircraft, pilots are seen as knights, but more than that, pilot and plane become an icon of the ancient sea-beast.
The Barrow Lords also tend to attack from all sides at once so as to utterly devastate their foes.
>>34525630>>34525658Get it on the wiki, and could somebody copy my stuff over from the Google Doc please?
>>34525630>>34525658And with this, I really ought to get to sleep.I'm hoping this is enough to keep them around another day.If it isn't let me know what they need, but I've tried to give them a clear and concise core that's distinct from other legions. (Read the thread up to this point to see how they differ from the Knights.)I think they also do void operations. If you all decide that that's a no go, then they don't, but if they do, they do, with their aggressive take on landing ops being an outgrowth of their void warfare tactics.
>>34524479>>34524636>>34525680I thought I did, already, or did you add new stuff?Alright, so what can we do with Rook?
I too must sleep now. Have a good night all and I'll see you tomorrow. It seems like everything is coming together so that's good. I have high hopes for this thread and it's successor tomorrow.
>>34525750I added my Legion summary, here >>34524784
>>34525590Added Wayward Guardsman stuff to the wiki, based as he is. I'll get to writing about the Primarch now. Will wait for him to get back tomorrow before advancing further in heresy and stuff.
>>34525812Somebody beat me to the punch...
Alright, seems like no one's posted for a while, I say we postpone Rook's demise one more thread, if this one doesn't take off again. Archiving in a second.
Liberation of the Augers---Towers of corpses were laid out the wake of Traitors as they pressed ever further towards the heart of the Imperium, Terra. Istvaan had been a resounding success for the minions of Hektor's rebellion. They had wiped out scores of the Loyalists from their own Legion's ranks and crushing the capability of their enemies. All according to the Warmaster's design of course. Still the true test would be achieving victory at Terra. The Silver Cataphracts with their bloated numbers and bastardized Imperial Army along with the disgustingly virtuous Steel Marshals would be kept from arriving immediately by the machinations of his Sorcerors. By manipulating the hatred for both Legions, Hektor was even able to use Sebastian Rex to further hinder them. He saw no reason to concern himself with the chopped up remnants of those bested at Istvaan. Half of Mars would be rebelling once news spread of his victory. All this meant he needed only concern himself with the gem of Sol, Terra."Warmaster!" A Marine called out across the war room, one of his own Heralds. "You may speak," He said without an ounce of concern."It is Arelex! He's gone mad!""I shall give you a moment to make sense.""The War Scribes have emptied their vaults. They burn every world which even holds a single traitor. Their ships make way to intercept our's. I hear reports of all their vessels having the ability to attack us mid-warp!"This was indeed a problem. The assembled staff, representatives from every Traitor Legion and his own Captains were driven to deep contemplation over this startling news. Hektor thought of a solution immediately. He rose up one hand in gesture to the Marine, "You may go." To the rest of the war room, he said aloud, "I must speak with my brother. He will be able to do deal with this problem on his own. He'll relish the opportunity, no doubt."
>>34526043>Finishing the Primarch Battlefield's role List.Yessss......
>>34526024I mean how do we know hes even up right now? Its a bit unfair to just cut him without giving him a chance to actually get shit done.
>>34526043Continue great Alexandri, this sounds pretty epic.
>>34526116I agree. I vote we give him another thread to try this.Besides, I don't think we can fix his thread between the two of us, I'd like to get more input. It's not fair to just rewrite his fluff without his presence, but that might be necessary if he is to stay.
>>34526043The fleet was making its final preparations, deciding who in the aftermath of the massacre would go where. Which Legion would best serve on some different front than in Sol, or where in that assault they would be placed. What Company would take what ships with them and so on. Meaningless details to the Warmaster who saught only to bring ruin and death in the name of his new patrons. He rounded about a corner on the 'Stare of the Void', flagship of the Black Augers. It brought directly into the sparring room of the Legion.Here innumerable sorceries saw place in the Materium, daemons which had not been in the realm of reality for thousands of years finally were brought forth albeit on the tight leash of careful summoning. In the midst of it all stood The Voidwatcher, wrenching forth more from the Warp than any other in the room dared. Hektor marched up to him uncaring of the petty magicks weaved about him. "I have need of your services," He said in a calm, collected voice. He knew what to say, how to say, exactly when to say it."Ahaha!" Voidwatcher's voice boomed in the hall, drowning out the screams and explosions. His face with filled with manic glee. His words still carried across the room even as he spoke,"Truly there has never been a better time be alive? What services of mine do you need, oh blessed of the Dark Gods!""The Scribes have finally wizened up. They bring all that stored weaponry and knowledge so expertly hoarded but rarely used. I hear that perhaps they have the ability to assault us in the middle of our jumps. If they collide with our fleet it could mean delaying our entire offensive long enough for more to get to Terra in time. I want your Augers to deal with the Scribes. Your new abilities have given you the means to be more than a match for them and their rigid doctrine."
Alright, I'm nodding off, should get some rest. I'll be back later, but until then, have fun fellas. This thread is archived, with the following bits:Thread 34524479Title The /tg/ Heresy 12: Get your shit together or you get the Fist EditionDescription Finishing the Primarch Battlefield's role List.Tags /tg/ Heresy
>>34526274"Do you hear?" The Voidwatcher declared as he rounded about in a circle, opening out his arms wide to his assembled warriors. "We have been called upon! Tasked, demanded, instructed! Are you even listening?" With a flick of his wrist the veil between worlds was torn asunder, sending a few howling into its shuddering embrace before it closed with a snap of the Voidwatcher's fingers. "I want you all to hear me when I say we will do what the Warmaster asks of us! I will show him and everyone else our new might! Warmaster! I answer your request, and I say that I will bring to a halt the entirety of the Scribes with only three of my Black Augers!"Hektor did not look amused, or even surprised. He stated flatly with his cold stare fixed directly on The Voidwatcher, "Only three, you say? Are you sure this will be sufficient?""Oh they're the three most powerful Sorcerors second only to me, but yes, three. Come forth! Do not be meek here, there is no place for that."Out of the masses of Legionnaires came three distinct Augers. One was clad in head to toe with glowing runes which gave off faint purple hues. "This one I name as Koromis. First among of the first Company."Another was in the regular Legion colors, but carried with him a heavy tome which was shackled with chains to his belt. In place of any grenades or even regular weaponry were similar tomes. "This one I name as Saevor, Chief in knowledge among all practitioners of the arcane!"The last was an Auger only wore gauntlets and armored leggings of his Legion. All of his armor from the belt up was removed. In place of his protective suit was a winding mix of runes which had been carved into his flesh, with an all-seeing eye cut into his chest being the most predominant. "This one I name as The Dreamwalker. He is the most...intimate of all with the Empyrean, haha!"
>>34526539None of them impressed Hektor, but then again no one impressed Hektor anymore. He gave them a passing wave, "It matters not who they are. So long as they serve out their task." The Voidwatcher continued to madly giggle as he considered the destruction that would be brought forth by the trio as they appeared before the Scribes. "Well, I do not wait and neither does the Warmaster! Go forth and wreak chaos! Hahaha!" Koromis was spoke first, "I believe we should do as our Primarch says before he grows bored fantasizing.""I wholeheartedly concur," Saevor replied. The Dreamwalker only nodded in agreement. With a tap of his staff Saevor opened up a stable portal through the Immaterium. "How is that possible?" Koromis asked as he looked into the madness that was the Warp."Practice. Reading. Lots of reading. Then more practice. After all that, luck. Come. It will not stay this way for long and you do not want to be here once something on the other side notices the wards are failing. We will move quickly and intercept our prey on the other side.""I do not understand, are you just opening a gateway into the Warp? Won't we need a ship?""Do you doubt my abilities?"As they argued and bickered on the exactness of Saevor's spell, The Dreamwalker merely gave sigh before marching into the presented portal. The two stopped their discussion immediately, racing after him. The wound in existence closed shut shortly after. With the most visible tearing of the seams between our world and the one above, the Sorcerers eagerly began to test it again with their many magicks. Sending off great gusts of weird fire or summoning forth ever larger daemons.
>>34526697"Follow his steps precisely," Saevor said, marching in tandem with the lumbering Dreamwalker. The group pressed on by the uncountable oddities and horrors they passed by. Koromis was the most taken aback by it all. He always figured an order to sorcery, a delicate nature in which one must be exact in their wording and rune-making. A simple mistake could spell disaster! He thought this as some empirical edict of order to it all. It was actually because the power from which sorcery springs forth is a mad hive of emotions and thoughts waiting to explode in fury. "I assume this is your first time being immersed in it," Saevor said after a long silence between the Marines."Yes. A different thing when you are engulfed by it. Seeing it daily, facing it, forcing yourself to not be afraid, to shut your head to the voices...but having it all around you. I have no idea how we haven't gone mad already.""Oh, that is because in part of the spell. We will get to our destination so long as we keep walking.""What, in any direction?""Yes.""How does that-""Do not question it! I have tested this spell time and time again...with fresh initiates mind you. But more than half made it to where they were going, which is a remarkable success rate if I will say so."With that well spring of hope to draw from they sped on. Eventually they had stop as a gargantuan daemon swam in their path, freezing in place lest it decide to test Saevor's wards. Time seemed to have no meaning in this place. Koromis's helmet display said not a second had passed since passing from the Stare, while Saevor's read that five years had gone by. In vain they tried to time the passing minutes, only to come to about seventy hours before losing count and giving up. The hearty meal Koromis ate before departing to the sparring room still felt fresh in his stomach even.At last, the madness came to an end as The Dreamwalker came to a halt. It no longer felt safe to move forward.
>>34526895"This is our destination. I feel it.""I thought you said you only practiced with initiates?""Silence, will you? I must concentrate for this. I shall warn you both, there is no telling who or what will be on the other side."The fabric of everything was tested, though it wasn't nearly as weak as before at the sparring room. It held on despite the hushed incantations from Saevor. A small opening barely big enough for a needle to fit into was torn free. The Dreamwalker readied his fist, punching straight into it. Ethereal energies coalesced along his arm, wrenching the hole further apart until it was a tear large enough for them all to slip into.Saevor thrown into a wall upon passing. Across the room, Koromis landed face first into metal grating, breaking it apart completely with his bulk. The Dreamwalker was able to take control of his descent by sending a blast of energy to propel him away. The room they had happened to land into was a simple hallway aboard a voidship of some kind. It then occurred to The Dreamwalker to speak."Saevor," He said with a voice as broken as cracked glass. "Where are we?""Ah. We are aboard the Scribe's flagships. 'The Grand Chronicler'. "Why are we here of all blasted places?" Koromis said after removing himself from the floor. "Did you honestly believe we would be able to take on the whole Scribe's Legion on our own? Voidwalker has become corrupted in the head. We are going to compromise this ship's Warp Drive. It should be big enough to even draw in some Cruisers and Escorts. That should be suitable enough."
Should I keep going? Is anyone even around?
>>34527143I'm around, and I like it. We're finally seeing Hektor being the Warmaster here, which is awesome.The Heresy's still a Clusterfuck though. I'm trying to codify it as best I can, but it's all a mess.I still need two Legions for Paramar. Also, someone said there's another legion at Isstvan. Is that true?
>>34527281http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/First_Battle_of_ParamarParamar was an absolutely vital target that had to be secured, or else the assault upon Terra would never have happened. So it's a major battle.So we need a Traitor Legion to take Paramar, and some loyalist forces to defend it.
>>34527302> loyalist forces> iron warriors
>>34527368Loyalist Iron Warriors. Read the article.
>>34527368Those were the Iron Warriors who didn't join the rest of the Legion.
Ya know we don't need to have all the same events as the heresy. Seems like the Saturn Campaigns pretty much cover what happened here. We should continue to come up with more alternate scenarios.
>>34525246If Arelex throws a tantrum, it'll have to be Gaspard who slaps some sense into him. Otherwise I can't see the Void Angels letting Arelex be chief administrator of the Imperium.There are a few ways to do this. The most obvious is that Gaspard gives Arelex an ultimatum: get your shit together and put the Imperium back together or I'll have to conquer it. Alternatively, he might be nice in his own way, mocking Arelex for wallowing in his emotions and suggesting that he really thought better of the man. (Though that might not work.) Let me know if you like this way of thinking or have a better idea of how it goes down.
>>34527415We don't, but there are a few that are vital. Isstvan V is one, Paramar is another. Without Paramar, the traitors would never have reached Terra.We need a list of known battles of Our Heresy that I can codify into a list for us all.Also here is a OT Heresy Chronology. I'll make an AU Version for Our Heresy when I have it sussed out.
>>34527302I suggest that the Children of Armok fight for the Loyalists here, if Uriel's OK with it.
>>34527512And they deliberately ensure they lose so the Traitors take Paramar? Fits them to a T.Who would the Traitors be? They'd beed to be a fast assault legion or something similar.
>>34527128The Dreamwalker was about to just walk on, but he stopped in the middle of his step. A thought had occurred to him. In his usual brittle tone he asked his comrades, "How exactly, are we going to get to this warp drive?""I. I have no idea," Saevor remarked, astonished. Koromis was not the first among the first for any reason. His mind was already twisting with the intricacies of a plan. He sped off down a hallway with the words, "Stay here! I'll be back!" As the minutes past the sounds of gunfire echoed down the halls. Koromis did indeed return to that very spot, with a trembling crewman in his hand. He threw him down onto the ground before their feet. He was short for a human, wanting for a proper meal every since he was a child. The Augers stood above him by three feet each. The armor Koromis wore was scratched with the rounds of the fool's pistol, which only managed to scratch the paint but did nothing to the faintly shimmering runes. "I know what to do. I have made a deal with this one," Koromis said with barely contained excitement. "He shall tell us the lay out of this ship, and in return will be spared. Now, explain to my comrades exactly what is where." The squabbling idiot gave his best in describing the vessel's precise structure. After he was finished, Dreamwalker made a swiping motion with his arm which sliced the crewman in a downward arc. Koromis continued with his carefully constructed strategy, "Dreamwalker, you head to the bridge causing as much havoc as you can. That will attract their attention immediately. Saevor and I will head straight for the Warp Drive. We meet back up in the hanger, and head out the way we came in. If something has happened to Saevor in that time Dreamwalker, we will leave on the nearest ship away from this place.""Better than my plan of unleashing a bunch of Daemons and hoping for the best," Saevor remarked with sarcasm dripping from his voice. Dreamwalker again only nodded. The trio had their plan.
>>34527539Full-Uriel option: The Children are also the Traitors, and they stage the battle in order to hand Paramar to Hektor and excuse themselves from the rest of the campaign.
>>34527661Paramar is so Important, they could get away with that. Hektor would excuse them anything if they give him Paramar.
>>34527659---"I fear for our Legion," Parax remarked to his brother while presiding over the Great Chronicler's bridge. It was a truly impressive room with a broad space for the hundred or so souls occupying it around the clock yet this amazing spectacle had diminished in its grandness over time. The recent events such as the palatalization of their Primarch and subsequent depression followed by his unveiling of weaponry all thought to be forbidden had every on edge. What world would they be forced to burn next, on the orders of their beloved Primarch?"I fear for everyone else. We failed, Parax. We failed in our duty. We can only hope to atone in some small measure by planning a way ahead. With our knowledge, there is nothing we cannot conquer!" His fellow Marine on watch was Qor, ever hopeful and optimistic in the Legion's coveted values of forward-planning and technology."Think for a moment if our fleet is unable to stop Hektor's?""We are not stopping him, Parax. We are delaying him. We fight until we can no longer, then pull out. All has been planned, you need not worry yourself.""I am just fearful that-"A broken up scream barked out over the vox, "Help! Help! We can't oh fuuu-aaaaagh!" The whole room was suddenly abuzz with calls for help, cries for mercy, and soon every Marine was training their weapons at the door. The Captain rose up from his chair, straddling an ancient concussion weapon. "No matter what happens!" He said, addressing the bridge crew. "We do not let this place fall!""Could it be, Qor? Traitors in our own Legion?""If it comes to that, we will do what we must..."
>>34527754Keep going man, I'm lurking
>>34527754The silence that followed was too much to bear. It persisted in the air long after the last Rating had died fighting whatever unstoppable wave had ripped them apart. The human officers prepared best they could, but all knew if it came to a fight between Marines it would surely end with them being only a minor nuisance at best. Second after second passed with each member of the bridge waiting with bated breath for the doors to buckle open as some one, some thing, broke through. But it never came.Instead something materialized behind the Captain who barely had a moment to respond before a rending tendril of pure energy drove into his chest, pushing out his entire torso straight out of his armor. "Contact!""Return fire! Keep to your defense parameters, maintain your lines of fire!""Where did it go?""There it is!""Careful not to-""Shit he's on top of me-ghgrssk-"The whole bridge was brought into pure mayhem. The figure continued to teleport between them, ripping each Marine apart before they could reevaluate the situation properly. Parax finally gave up, firing indiscriminately in the vague direction of the beast. He killed at least a dozen humans caught in the crossfire, but he could swear one shell at made its mark. It had wasted every other War Scribe in the room, leaving only Parax and Qor among the few living.
>>34527512>>34527539Yeah I'm okay with that happening. Who else was at Paramar? I had an idea that might make the Children a tad more interesting too, but wanna get the council of iron and my legion stuff finished before i start on that..>>34527669that works then
>>34527823"We stand back to back," Parax said taking up his position, picking up a bloodstained bolter from a fallen Marine. "that way he can't sneak up on us.""But, I don't remember this tactic being discuss-""We must forgo tactics Qor! We can't plan around something that has no plan! Now shut the fuck up and keep yourself focused!" The grace, the honor, it was all meaningless to Parax now. He could feel the cold reality of the situation creeping up upon his mind. There was little chance of getting out of this place alive. He could at least try to go down wounding whatever foul creature of the warp this was.It appeared before him, dressed in flesh-tattoos that emanated mystical energy. The figure stood with a cocky grin, pulling back with both arms before sending them out in a great arc. A flurry of whips constructed out of pure Empyrean spawned forth, rending metal as if it was flesh. The spray was indirect, ruining absolutely everything in its path. Parax ducked out the way, pulling Qor along before it ripped them both to pieces. He let loose his twin bolters, sending a heavy spray of shells at the Sorceror's direction.Whoever it was flickered out of existence once more before the missiles struck him. Parax and Qor scrambled to their feet, only to be faced with their assailant again as he gave a warp-fire punch into Qor's helm. It split in two, a great gout of flames sprouting up as a crown. He thudded to the ground, shaking the plating with his great weight. "Bastaaaaaaar!" Parax gave into the bloodlust, pulling out his combat knife in the blink of an eye. It shot out at the mystery attacker only to have the tip break apart before hitting his flesh. The wards crafted into his very flesh crackled with malice as their work was done.
>>34527899>Who else was at Paramar?My idea was that your gallant loyalists were overwhelmed by traitors within their ranks. Tragic and unexpected.
>>34527930Okay, gives us a good opportunity to split our Traitor-side network off from the Loyalist side. If everyone else is okay with this not-battle, then I'm down. Although, as a potential alternative to keep in mind - there could be traitors that turn up, and the children get ''beaten'' and have to pull back, giving Paramar to Hektor, leaving behind their ''casualties'' as their now Traitor counterpart legion, and the other Traitor legion goes about securing Paramar like it would if we weren't there.
>>34527919"You fight well," It remarked in this voice that sounded as if a hundred kicks had been delivered to his throat. "I am happy to be able to live this moment with you. I have finally found something to live for."Parax didn't care about what he was happy about, or anything for that matter. His eyes burned with a hatred for all! Why did his Legion have to succumb to their fate? Why was their Legion was weak? Unable to even give the Traitors a proper battle? And now, his best friend in the entire War Scribes had been destroyed by sorcery! The notion drove him made with hate. He pulled out a chainsword from a dead Sergeant, revving the blade in defiance."All things must end. Goodbye, Scribe." The figure reeled back his arm to throw it at him again, foul energies already growing steadily. With a scream of defiance Parax rose up towards his foe, sending his chainsword in a great swipe to rip him apart. Normally this would not have mattered yet this exact second the wards flickered, weakened by something far more powerful. It tore into the Sorceror's side, causing his attack to go wide and rip a hole into the hull. The ensuing pull of the vacuum took them both out into the void. Parax was glad at last. He had killed his foe.
Right, taking a break.How was that so far?
>>34527986Read up on the Battle >>34527302. I'm sure you can spin it so you get both split our Traitor-side network off from the Loyalist side, and fighting a proper traitor Legion.
>>34527999My eyes are too tired for reading paragraphs at the moment. I'll take a look later.
>>34528036Well I'm going to bed. I don't feel tired but it is six over here. I need sleep.Right, both guys responsible for Hektor, the Voidwatcher, and Arexey give me a summary of what you like or dislike. When I come back I intend to edit the story accordingly and finish it, then post it up on the wiki.Also, I think we should make a separate page for the Primarchs, the Legions, the Heresy events, and the writefaggotry. It is getting pretty big being all in one page.
>>34528256I think that's a damn good idea, the page is huge now. Perhaps start off with a separate page for the Loyalists and Traitors?
I say we break it down like this.Keep the table we currently have, but make everything in there a link to another page. Below that we have the timeline , events and write-faggotry.
Does someone have all the legions sigil's compiled?
>>34528913I do. Don't think I have yours though.
>>34528951Mines on my wiki under my legion. Take a look at the wiki, I started converting each legion into their own individual wiki pages. Right now I got the KoJ and the Warscribes their own pages. You can look at the pages by clicking on the links on the wiki's big table thingie. Tell me what you think of the format and stuff.
Someone seems to be making a single page for each individual Primarch, which is a bit stupid. We only need one for the Loyalists, and one for the traitors, not one for all 25 of them.
>>34529107Good. I have 15 of 25 Legion Icons now.
>>34529108Hmm you think its a bad idea then? I'm making a single page for each legion that includes all their legion info and all their primarch info. I figure we're getting to the point where we have enough fluff to warrant individual pages.
>>34529139do you have mine? both of them.... >>34529171I think both ideas have merit - it depends on how much we end up writing really. Why not have the current wiki page link of to individual Primarchs and their legions, then have general, quick reference information on who is who on the main page along with the links to the sub-pages.make sense?
>>34529378I do. I wouldn't be me if I didn't.
>>34529378Kay, I'll go ahead and continue transferring each legions into onto their own pages. In the mean time I was writing up a fluff piece for Starring Lumey with special guests Darius and Voidwatcher around the time Voidwatcher is trying to persuade Lumey to vote Pro-Psyker. Who was the other medical doctor, the only one I can remember was Johannes but I could of sworn there were 2.
>>34524699Should I bump up my Legion's numbers, now that we have this? Does it make sense at all for me to end up with fewer Marines than The Entombed by the end of the Heresy?I'd have to change my fluff, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
>>34529505yeah I guess you would need some more numbers, but you could fluff it so that you lost a lot - but only from a fraction of your force - ie you had only say 50% of your total legion at Istvaan or wherever.Or you could have recovered your men faster?
>>34529553These are both good options, yes...
Right, so I'm awake. Give it about 3-4 hours and I'll be on proper, so if Roman is here I'll share what ideas I've got with him and let him take it from there.
On a second note. Was the consensus to cut the machine guard? If they're staying I'll claim them, if not what's the situation with the silver spears?
>>34524479This looks very interesting, are we accepting new Legions still? I've brewed up a concept for a legion now that I've read the wiki article.
>>34529695Share it dude, we always welcome well-thought ideas and concepts
>>34529695Might not be a full legion, but there's plenty of space to throw in successors or offshoots.
>>34529695>>34529700>>34529721Meh we got a couple of legions that haven't been developed at all. As usual if he writes good fluff I don't see why he can't take one over.
>>34529700>>34529777Excellent, l'l post what I've written up.Legion: The Banes of MardukPrimarch: Tiamat, alias the Primordial-Little is know about the Primarch of the Banes of Marduk Legion, save for his personal history on the planet Askyr, and that in honour of his accomplishments the people of his worldchristened him Tiamat, a title that is believed to be derived from an ancient word for mother. So unusual a title for the exclusively male Primarchs of the Legiones Astartes would cometo be well-earned, for the Primarch Tiamat was chief among his brothers in his mastery of the biological arts, and in addition to great works of medicine and chirurgy that lead Askyrfrom a darkness of poison and disease into a state where limitations on reproduction had to be imposed to counter the soaring life expentancy of its populous, and bodily modifications thatwould stagger the modern imperium of man, and were seen with some disfavour by the fellow Legiones of the time, were as ubitiquitous to science and industry as they were fashionable inthe ceremonial dance halls and courts of kings. But these works paled before the greatest accomplishment of the Primordial Sovereign - besides his slaying of the false prophet and tyrantMarduk of the Eightfold Pernache - for Tiamat poured his mind and furious scrutiny into the nature of his own posthuman physiology, and in doing so uncovered a secret that the AdeptusMechanicus would lay waste to a trillion world to reclaim - he learnt not only the process of creation of the Adeptus Astartes, but a sliver, however slight, of the genetic sorcery thatthe Emperor wove to create the Primarchs themselves.
>>34529869Yet, neither the church of the Omnissiah nor the Emperor would ever come to learn of the nature or extent of Tiamat learnings, for by circumstances than none of his followers dared tospeak of, Tiamat's life was taken before the coming of his father to Askyr. Further, a single flaw was acknowledged by the people he rose to such majesty in spite of their bold reverence,Tiamat was an exceptionally proud figure, and never once wrote down a single of his thoughts. Many of his boldest ideas and learnings had been scribed in partial or full by his followers, but during his own lifetime Tiamat himself decried many such "tributes" to his art as the work of fevered zealots, wilfull misintepretations of science to appease those who dreamed of the simply impossible at best, self-contradictory manuals on personal mutilation and needless sacrifice most commonly, and the distortions and lead confections of charlatans and political cut-throats out to steal a living out of desperate and petty fools worst of all. Thus it is that, while the common cosmetic and low functional body modifications pioneered by Tiamatare preserved by the remnants of his Legion today, the Primordial Sovereign's greatest accomplishment would remain irreplaceable, and evidenced only by the existence of the eleven superhuman warriors - Astartes in all but name - that ruled one each of the continents of Askyr at the coming of the Emperor.
>>34529869hmmm hold up now. I know for sure we have 1 doctor based primarch already and I think we might have a surgery based one too... can't remember. Might want to wait a bit so we can verify but you're writing skills seem pretty good dude.
>>34529869>>34529881The eleven Sons of Tiamat bore almost identical gene-seed to that of the warriors of the X(?) legion prior to their reunitement, but they none-the-less bore little resemblance to an ordinary space marine, as each had been modified since birth by their "Mother"'s science to bear unnatural features. Unsurprisingly, the Sons made friends uneasily among the warriors ofthe other legions, although the pre-existing warriors that became the Banes of Marduk were well-respected for their precision in warfare and matchless apothecarion, and welcomed their knew lords without the disfevour one might have expected of space marines anticipating a sole leader greater than themselves over eleven warriors that, to body of the greater Imperiumtoday, would be reviled as abhuman freaks of the most abomnible order. Each of the eleven sons brought with them their own skills and mastery of the biological arts, and spread their owncult of modification throughout their chapter of the legion.-And the first few of the sons I have written up. These figures all lead what eventually become the successors of the Banes of Marduk legion after the heresy.Girtablilu, Lord of the Blue Scorpions Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - The sole pysker of his brothers, Girtablilu was gifted with a pair of scissor-taloned pedipalps flush withthe line of his jaw and a far more intense and variable array of poisons produced by his Betcher's gland. The legion's psychic recruits were drawn to the Blue Scorpions, and Girtablilu argued fiercely at the council of Nikea for the virtues of psykers and the institue of the space marine Librarium, a conflict his brothers largely remained silent on. The Lance of Aqra,an artifact of unknown origin, was put to skillful use by Girtablilu from the saddle of his space marine bike during the Hektor Heresy.
>>34529895I did notice that, but I think there's enough distinction between the two for them to both fit into our canon. I'll tone down the pure doctory stuff so that only the body modification remains prominent if it's an issue. Cheers for the compliment btw, I'm writing all this on the fly. I'm leaving the keyboard for about an hour shortly, so I'll pick up then.>>34529869>>34529881>>34529908>>34529908Kusarriku, Lord of the Taurian Kings Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - A giant by space marine standards, Kusarriku was blessed with additional layers of muscle that a normal human would have died in attempting to sustain, and that challenged even his own superhuman physiology in maintainance for all the staggering might they granted him. A crown of horns, sixon each side of his large skull, erupted respendently, and were seen as a symbol of status as much as they served as a brutal weapon. Kusarriku's assault and terminator-armoured troopswere feared for their unstoppable rampages on every world they reaved.Kullulu, Lord of the Tritons Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - Possessed of a lithe and alien beauty, Kullulu possessed webbed digits and soft, silvery scales that contrasted withhis fiery red hair, as well as a series of gills along his neck, shoulders and the sides of his torso that functionally made him a merman. Kullulu is one of the few space marines that wouldever forgoe armour in battle, for if the enemy would entrench themselves in an oceanic bunker or in a bastion at the base of a great lake Kullulu would make daring solo raids, his advancecardiovascular system coping with the staggering pressures of pelagic rifts as he darted from emplacement to emplacement sowing havoc with his power trident, Neyord. Priding independenceand personal initiative above all other virtues, Kullulu and his scions recieved some unpopularity for their reckless and incohesive actions, and Kullulu's death in the Heresy remains a topic of (cont.)
>>34529958>>34529908(like that reference to "matchless apothecarion", which was lazy. Read that as "remarkable apothecarion, exceeded only by the Life Bringers in terms of pure countermortality")>>34529908>>34529958 . . . debate among the successors of the legion.Enlil, Lord of the Tertious Fangs Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - A lithe and lightning-sharp warrior, Enlil bore course, white hair on his head, limbs, face and chest, ferociouscanines and a third vertical eye, red as his two natural ones, in the middle of his forehead. Enlil was a contradictory figure within the legion, as he exhibited both an easy camaraderieand ruthless discipline, often at once. Some doubted the stability of his mind, but none doubted the results of his reconnaissance and ambush work. By the time of the Heresy, most of theLegion's vigilators and moritats were personal students of Enlil, who took to battle wearing a modified low-heat signature jump pack that could be worn with carapace armour.That's all for now.
I have returned from work. damn you guys have done alot lol
>>34530118Sup Thoren. I don't want to rush you, a few of the others have begun talks of cutting legions that get no work done. The Nova Defenders seemed to be the prime target of this though.
>>34530118AH. You're back... are you able to be relatively active? With regards to writing up the Council of Iron stuff?>>34530200I'd protected council of iron by planning to write it up myself - I like the concept and had some ideas/concepts written up
>>34530247Yeah i need some help with fluff and such though. im not too good at making up shit off the top of my head.
>>34530373Okay, I'm trying to finish my Primarch's fluff, then I'll take a break from that to work on the Council then - why don't you dump some general ideas you have about the Council -how they operate, what character archetype Thoren is, etc. In your mind, are the Council of Iron anti-Psyker?I was going to take them that way considerably, but now you're back, you can share your vision for them.
>>34530441Not anti psyker but they wont use them in the legion-extremely aggressive, brutish, and bloodthirsty warrior and believes that the only true justice in the world is not found in any court, but when one fights for one's life on the battlefield, where the strong survive and the weak are crushed. More of a man of action than talk,short tempered physically with no sense of fear. is thorens description
You know, I'm kind of surprised that no one has yet gone with the idea of having an anti-psyker Legion. Straight up a Legion composed of blanks (either due to deliberate recruitment or gene flaws), with their Primarch being a straight up pariah-type guy.If there's a slot free, I'd be happy to roll up something like that, if you guys feel it's a viable concept.
>>34530821>inb4 direct Desert Fangs port
>>34530954Was not aware they existed. looks like i need to lurk moar
Hey, all, just checking in before I get some coffee. Did some updating to my wiki, and included my legion's icon.Updater, would you like one on a transparent background, so it would block less of any maps or details you work through?I could also do the same for just about any of the primarch icons, but they would all be in .png or .xcf format
>>34529908I'm back, I've wrote up a bit more so I'm posting what I've got. While I copy-paste, are we coming up with rules for our legions? I haven't drawn up any for my prospective group, but it's food for thought once I'm done with fluff.>>34529983Mushnahu, Lord of the Menhir Children Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - Small and spry, Mushanu was an acrobat among post-humans, confirmed as triple jointed with every bone in hisbody. Driven towards technology, Mushnahu was quick to ingratiate himself with the adepts of the Mechanicus, and possessed two servo arms and several mechadendrites that he used in placeof handheld weaponry. Mushnahu came to favoured armoured transport assaults, The ubiquitous, easily-repaired rhino and the thunderous entry of a drop pod assault, piloted by technicallyapt marines, were the hallmarks of his assaults.Ugallu, Lord of the Storm Lion Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - A figure of legend among the populous of Askyr for his rousing speeches and furious valour, Ugallu was consideredby manner outside his legion as the most charismatic and personable of the Sons of Tiamat. Literally leonine in form, with a mane of restless blonde hair and a booming voice, Ugallu'swarriors exemplified fearless all-round ability, and the weak of the chapter thinned out quickly to leave only veterans. Ugallu's treachery drove a wedge into the heart of the legion, andthe traitor warband known as the Maws Recantus are among the most prized of Chaos-worshipping mercenaries in the ruinous power's employ.
>>34529908>>34531063Ushumu, Lord of the Wyrm Riders Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - The tallest of his brothers and possessed of a long-limbed, slow demeanour, Ushumu possessed te dessicated physiologyof a creature masterly adapted to hardship and scarcity. He earnedfamous for walking alone to the heart of the most treacherous desert of Askyr, spanning the entire southernmost continentof Askyr, and not slaying but taming the fifty foot venomous millipede creatures that dominated its landscape, riding back to tears from his brothers who had considered him dead such wasthe length of his abscence. None could ever tame such dangerous creatures, but Ushumu found a means of replicating his strengths in spirit through his use of heavily armoured assault, oftenpiloting the most powerful super heavy vehicles and flyers at the head of his grindign formations.Lahmu, Lord of the Smiling Swords Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - Broad and jocular, Lahmu was the oldest of the Sons of Tiamat and respected for his patient knowledge of many matters. Lahmu's hair, nails and even bone were partially metallic, and he famously went to war without a helmet on, his head held high as small arms deflected from his bald pate. Bearinga matched master crafted relic sword and lascannon called the Crimson Motley, Lahmu specialised defensive skill, heavy weapon's coordination and crushing counterattack.
Also, in regards to Paramar, I'm supposed to take on and kill the Primarch of the Scale Bearers, and Paramar is right up my alley, how sold are you guys on having it be Children of Armok there?
>>34530597Hmm, so you wouldn't vote Anti-Psyker at Nikaea?I was taking them that way (but not as a legion of blanks), because our AU seems to have predominantly Pro-Psykers - which changes Terra drastically and would kind of mess up the whole Heresy - as if the Emprah listens to the precogs like he didnt to Magnus, the Heresy would be outed long before it could get underway...
>>34531063Hmmmm second chapters and company masters are good and all, but this is more focused on like, the other all Legion/Primarch info, what their tactics are like, what they believe in, how they act, what they did during the heresy etc.
>>34531092I'd be fine with that.
>>34531123He probably would. psykers aren't that important to him. theyre not front liners that he finds as the best thing since pre sliced cheese.
>>34531123>>34531165Alright, figured I'd address both of you guys about this one, as we've got two options.1) Children of Armok, who are tasked to defend it, are attacked by Children of Armok. They pull a Die Hard 2 and lose to themselves, giving Hektor the system and resources that go with it, while cementing him in Hektor's camp.2) Scale Bearers are tasked to defend it, Iron Rangers get on site both legally and sneakily, start a prison revolt, and, in the confusion, start hitting the Scale Bearers. Scale Bearers are forced off planet, taking not a whole lot of losses, just very important ones.
>>34524699>VI) The Entombed - Auxiliary Shock Troops – 10,000This was updated at the end of the last thread. It should be:>VI) The Entombed - Zone Mortalis Heavy Infantry – 10,000I assume this is DURING the heresy, otherwise it's very different.
>>34524699>XXVII) Stone Men – Deep Strike/Heavy Bombardment - 15,000
>>34531370Also hey guys I'm back, what's up. If the Life Bringers primarch is here, I'd like some collaboration on The Fall of The Entombed, as I plan on having Golgothos kill Johannes before succumbing to his wounds.Other than that, I have two successor chapters to make. One a War Scribes successor chapter with working title Scribes Repentant, who choose to guard the corpses of the dead on Sepulchra for all time. I'd like a more tomb-guardiany name for them, though.The other was going to be 3rd crusade islamic bike marines, but If you guys would rather I make a chaos warband, I'll do that instead.
Alright, back!Will write a little recap of the couple hundreds posts before.
>>34526043>>34526274>>34526539>>34526697>>34526895>>34527128>>34527128>>34527659>>34527754>>34527823>>34527919>>34527993>>34527999I can dig it. A couple minor things, I'm not sure that Marines usually go "Oh fuuuuuuuu" and "Shit!". That's usually reserved for things like the Angry Marines, and it makes an odd discord with the seriousness of a flagship getting invaded by Chaos Marines. Also, I'll be the one naming my flagship, not you. :P3 possible names I like at the moment. Which sounds best, the Lorethrone, the Delver of Truth, or the Strength of Ages? So, doublechecking for timeline consistency. Isstvan happens. Arelex goes berzerk in the Ultima Segmentum. Hektor wants to make sure Arelex *stays* over there, away from the defense of Terra.Voidwalker has an idea of how to destroy the Scribes.Voidwalker sends some Marines, but evidently they disagree with Voidwalker's plan.They find a chapter serf or some such, and force him to tell them where the Warp Drive is. They also attack the ship's bridge. Some War Scribes get killed, but the Voidwatcher's men are killed or driven off. That a correct summary?
>>34529108Each primarch/Legion should have their own page, so that we can have one shorter Table of Contents linking to them, in order to prevent WALL OF TEXT syndrome on the main page, I think. You can separate them into Traitor/Loyalist in that table of contents on the main page.
>>34529869"Banes of Marduk" is kinda unwieldy to actually say out loud."The Mardukbane" might work better.
>>34524479Silver Spears, Children of Armok, Machine Guard, Crusaders, Eternal Zealots, Gorgers, Steel Marshals, we still need your homeworld names.
>>34531140You're right, but it's important to remember that the legion has no Primarch, so it really needs these high-Praetor special characters to account for this. Regardless, I'll finish posting the Sons profiles and then get started on the Terran Legion and broader tactics.Umu Dabrutu, Lord of the Shrieking Cyclones Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - Dabrutu alone lived on bad terms with his creator, and at some point spoken little of came to odds withhis fellow rulers of Askyr. His jetbike riding strike forces inflicted great torments on the enemies of the Emperor throughout the crusade, which earned him accolade from some but scornfrom more respectable quarters for his irresponsibility and wanton propensity for collateral damage. Some considered it a blessing when Dabrutu joined Ugallu in heresy, especially givenhis climactic demise fighting [member of other legion]. Nothing is remembered of his particular mutations, only his wicked nature.Ushumgallu, Lord of the August Dragons Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - A fierce firebreathing warrior with brazen skeletal protusions all over his powerful frame, Ushumgallu wassaid to embody the destructive impulse of his father by his brothers. Brooding and belligerent, Ushumgallu wielded an unusual artefact plasma weapon and with forcefield generators applied to his bladed physiology, truly marking him as a living weapon. His bodyguard was drawn from veteran Tactical Support Squads from across the legion, the group travelling in a modifiedrhino that exchanged transport capacity for a faster engine and a lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun turret to unleash flaming hell on elite enemy formations.
>>34531532I'm not certain the Mardukbanes sounds or reads much better either. I have been considering a different name, so I'll happily taking suggestions. "Children of Tiamat" might simply do, but I wanted to evade putting the Primarch/Homeworld name into the Legion title.>>34529908>>34531639Mushushu, Lord of the Blood Griffins Chapter of the Banes of Marduk Legion - Alone among the Sons in following his father's passion and expertise for biology and body modification, Mushushuestablished himself swiftly as the Lord Apothecarion of the entire legion as well as it's joint master. Mushushu was a close confidant to his brothers Enlil, Ugallu, Ushumu and Ushumgallu,frequently coordinating their strikes. He was undoubtedly the least among his brothers in terms of combat ability, but a fantastic leader, compassionate and fierce. The Blood Griffinsexist as the veteran company of the Banes of Marduk chapter today.Gilgamesh, The Primordial's Custodian, Lord-Ancient of the Banes of Marduk Legion - The master of the legion before his posthumous reunion with its Primarch, Gilgamesh was a wild andrestless warrior whose leadership skirted with catastrophe repeatedly, but pulled through through time again at great personal sacrifice, The legion's forge and apothecarion worked extensively on Gilgamesh to cope with his high rate of injury, until [date 20 years ahead of discovery of Askyr] where he sacrificed himself to save [other legion's elite] from the wrathof Waaagh! Dakkahand's last death throe. His internment in a Contemptor-pattern Dreadnought did not impede his desire to lead, and he continues to act as joint master of the legion today,forming a close bond with many of the Sons of Tiamat.
>>34531426not related to what you asked (sorry), but are the entombed called the entombed *before* most of your legion is wiped out?Do you have fluff written about what they were like before ? >>34531226okay so that would be a vote for anti-Psyker then. >>34531268> we've got two options.>1) Children of Armok, who are tasked to defend it, are attacked by Children of Armok. They pull a Die Hard 2 and lose to themselves, giving Hektor the system and resources that go with it, while cementing him in Hektor's camp.>2) Scale Bearers are tasked to defend it, Iron Rangers get on site both legally and sneakily, start a prison revolt, and, in the confusion, start hitting the Scale Bearers. Scale Bearers are forced off planet, taking not a whole lot of losses, just very important ones.What do people think is the best of those two options? >>34531628Arelon - i tried to edit that chart but I don't know how to access it :/
>>34531833Yes, they were always the Entombed. I haven't done much fluffing for what they did during the Great Crusade, but they were mostly just a generic legion with a disproportionate amount of terminators/dreads. They still had thousands of tactical marines then.I've decided to do Chaos Warband (not a Legion) instead of space-saladin. Which Chaos God should I do? Thinking about making them posessed-heavy.>Nurgle>Slaanesh>Tzeentch>Khorne
>>34531833I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then. What is the name of your homeworld, and I will put it on the wiki.
Alright,First off, the roles of the Knights of Justice and the Barrow Lords should be inverted.The Knights are about Justice, and Justice is a gruesome, long, and tiresome affair in 40k, you have to fight for it tooth and nails. Them being a "we drop, we hit and leave", where the Barrow Lords with a background of being space pirates actually do the "we airdrop here, we fight AND we hold",This doesn't make much sense to me.Second, we do need to have some content put away from the main page on the wiki. The Gdoc is hell to use, so I'm considering puttin a bunch of pastebins where we can get our work-in-progress and little notes that help shape the projectThird, I really think we gave more than enough time to Rook to get his shit together, it's time to do shit, especially when you ahve anons who would love to have the spot.Finally, Marduk Legions... the Marduk sounds really... un-epic. Maybe go for something with a bit more symbolism or mythology being it? We could use one more Angel-themed legions.And again, we NEED more Good Legions.
>>34531833I'm a moron - Arelon is the Bulwarks homeworld.WHICH BTW isn't in that opening chart The Children of Armok's homeworld is Perfidiae V.I'm struggling to write a good backstory for Uriel now :/ I don't want it to be 1000's of words long cos no-one will read it...I'm thinking of dropping the current stuff and having him in the middle of a notCold-War/WW2 scenario - as lots of spying and politics went down then... >>34531682I'd advise against Children of Tiamat - purely to avoid clashing/confusing with Children of Armok. I also agree, Mardukbane is worse then Bane of Marduk, although it is a *tad* uncomfortable as a legion name. But it's your ship - you sail it lol
>>34531682The [Xsomething] Legion was founded in the later stages of the Emperor's conquest of Terra. As his armies of first Thunder Warriors and later Astartes marines moved across the earth, territories hard-fought for inevitably experienced some insurrection, for the Emperor's genius and force of arms. Even a desert basin area, located close to the Emperor's chief base ofoperations itself, experienced insurrection as some sought freedom from what, in the abscence of mankind's true ruler, they had come to see as a tyranny. When the Emperor returned to quellthe violence, he adopted a less militant strategy, granting his enemies space and concessions and fighting with honour. What forces he used that fought with direct force met with short-termsuccess, as their guerilla opponents recovered and adapted to the enemy's strategies. Some spoke of advanced sciences among the rebels, perhaps learnt or stolen from the Emperor and hiseducated garrison forces, that allowed the militia soldiers to modify their bodies to cope with the rigours of war with post-human warriors, and adapt to the specific threats they face.The Emperor was rightly impressed by the displays of tactics and strengths the rebels demonstrated, and the rebels in turn came to realise by his beneficence and grace that the Emperor wasnot the despot they had mistaken him for. An agreeable pax was formed like few others in the tumultuous and formative waters of techno-barbarian Terra, and the people of the middle-easternbasin were seen fit by the Emperor to serve as the recruitment pool for a new Legion of Space Marines. The resulting warriors took well to combats that taxed the adaptivity and patienceof it's combatants, and developed a talented and creative apothecarion known for bending the science behind the implantation processes of the Adeptus Astartes in fruitful fashions. The Legion earned a number of epithets during the early days of the Great Crusade, with the Liquid Menagerie earning [cont]
>>34531868All would be interesting, but I would imagine Slaanesh isn't getting too much love at the moment, so maybe them? But you choose my man. >>34531877see = >>34531919The Bulwark need a slot on that chart on the wiki - they're not on it.
>>34531919>WHICH BTW isn't in that opening chartBig deal, my whole LEGION isn't in that opening chart.
>>34531984Your homeworld's up on the chart now, but you're right, the Bulwarks aren't even on there. ARE they supposed to be on there, or are they one of the AWOL legions?
>>34531868Slaanesh or Tzeench, if you're using possessed>>34531833Personally, the more I think about it, the more it seems difficult for Armok to be in this. If you're playing both sides, someone will figure out you were the one who attacked. Maybe you can claim some of your men went renegade...But you would probably have to also do something to prove you're loyal to the Emperor. That's the point of the battle, right? Personally, I think it would be cool if you were present for all the battles. All of it in small numbers, and just enough for everybody to say "Hey, yeah, Uriel's sending support for us," but not enough for the other side to really notice your colors, if that makes any sense. You come out looking golden to everybody, because EVERYBODY sees that you're sending troops to back them.
Also, a anti-psyker Legion is a GREAT idea, if anyone want to get a spot in, this is your pass.You gonna have to be Loyalist though...
>>34531919That too, and also I don't want to just change it to the Sons of Tiamat because Sons and Scions both sound similar and carry similar connotations, so that's two existing Legions the name ought to respect :P I've written up two of the Legion's former monikers - The Liquid Menagerie, and the Freaks of Nature - so I may promote one or modify one of them to be it's formal title. (an interesting note, the latin from Freaks of Nature is Lusus Naturae, which sounds awesome so I could use that either for the Legion name or for the elite troops/Terminator formation)>>34531941popularity among fellow astartes; to the mortal soldiers of the Imperial Army however, who considered the [Xsomething]th Legion alien even by the standards of the Legiones Astartes, the only title they earned was the Freaks of Nature for their detachedmanner and inhuman appearances.
>>34531993yeah same as the Bulwark. So Horns of Ruin need adding on there too.I just figured out how to edit that chart - I'll add horns of ruin and the Bulwark if no-one is already doing that?Kranios - what's your homeworld called?
>>34532047Satares. Unless someone wants to suggest a better name with some weird meaning. Mine was just the first thing that slipped from my tongue.
>>34532020>>34531833And, if they get spotted, pic related
>>34532020It was all a set up - the Children fake the battle to look good to the Emperor, but ensure that the world is lost to Hektor = to prove loyalty to him.My suggestion is Hektor sends a legion as the Children's opponents, but no fighting happens - the Children just fake ''casualties'' (Marines that form the openly Traitor side of the Childrens forces), then we ''pull back'' giving Hektor the world, and looking like we put up a fight and got our asses kicked. I like the idea that we send little token forces to everyone as support, by nature of running a galaxy wide web of informants, it makes sense we would have little pockets of troops everywhere - not enough to make a big difference, but enough to look like we were bending over backwards helping out our friends.Would maybe need to use false colours for the Traitor legions support though.>>34532062Bulwark and Horns of Ruin added to the chart.
>>34531833Option 2 means I have to alter my timeline a bit, but otherwise it works.
>>34532176shit Uriel could get some shit from his Loyalist brothers about how he managed to get his ass kicked so bad - and Uriel has to constantly act a bit hurt/angry at the accusation or something. Even though he knows full well it went just as planned...
>>34532176Oh, oh, I got it!You send in your forces that are insistent on picking a side. Kind of like your own Istvaan III. Your loyalists kill off the traitors, and Hektor sends in his men to mop up the remaining loyalists. Everybody wins!
Is mr drawfag about?
>>34532259He is doing Nathanog right now.I honestly can't wait.
>>34532176And now we have 29 Legions.We need to decide on which ones are getting cut now, as much as I'd prefer not to.I think the Nova Defenders are definitely gone, Nathanog and others saw to that well enough, not that what they were saying about them wasn't mostly correct.I think the Machine Guard could be cut or re fluffed, since they're basically a blank slate. The Crusaders have some fluff, but their Primarch is blank. Any other suggestions? Since it seems we've got two more active Legions all of a sudden, maybe we should consider pushing for a nice even 30 Legions, unless people want to cut a lot of Legions loose to drop back down to 25. If we go for 30, that opens it up for other anons to step in. New Legions will come under harsher scrutiny though, because they have a lot of ground to cover, it'll be easier for people to revamp partly done ones.
Right. So. Unless somebody has objection, I'm gonna make an official claim on writing up the Machine Guard.More when I return from the store and can settle down to the computer.
>>34532031The Emperor's arrival to the world of Askyr was among the more peacable of his paternal reunions, albeit for one that would be only in spirit. The population of Askyr had only recentlybegun to explore it's own solar system, the great Bronze Tower space port that had begun construction under Tiamat's watch and was still under labour by his Sons serving as a launchingpoint for spacecraft and a lightning rod for Xenos attention alike. The first to hear of the arrival of a giant as great as their father, clad in gold at the head of a formation of giants his size was Mushushu, who rode out to assess and present a true introduction for the shining interloper. However, by means capricious, wind of the arrival caught his brother, UmuDabrutu, who saw fit to waylay the [Legion who Dabrutu would lose his life to in the Heresy] that escorted the Emperor through sabotage and trickery. The space marines were expecting a Primarch, not a fellow space marine, and Dabrutu - according to an account of great dispute] - supposedly garbed himself as an old woman and lured the contingent into a carefully preparedtrap. An explosive firefight ensued, baptising the Emperor's arrival to Askyr with blood.Musshushu arrival was tense to say little of it, and it was not until both he and his beneficent grandfather were in each other's company that guns were lain-low. The Emperor was astoundedto learn that one of his Primarchs had matched his own skill at genetics in some capacity, and his disappointment in learning that one of the greatest leaders mankind may ever have madewas lain low must have been terrible to bear. Musshushu was a great reassurance, and led the Emperor of Man to marvel at the works of his forever-lost son, meeting the other nine Lordsof Askyr and their bizarre populous. Initially the emperor was taken aback by their forms and appearance, and it wasn't until he saw proof that the extremes of biology were the work ofadvanced surgery and not genetic [cont]
>>34532285Alright, I put out a call for people to help with the Defenders, but no one was on, and no one has picked up the banner since. Hate to say it, but I do think it's time we freed that slot up, as there was ample opportunity and numerous second chances given.
>>34532305abherrance that he accepted Mushushu's request to apply his science to the Legion he would co-master. The X[something]th Legion was returning from a longcampaign against the Ork Empire of Gromrukk Dakkahand on the western galactic rim, and had been out of action and on low numbers for some years when they heard news of their Primarch'seffective discovery. The Emperor and seven of the Sons of Tiamat travelled expressly to the X[something]th fleet, and an instant repartee was formed with the successors to the PrimordialLord.
>>34532305Is his name really Musshushushhsuushsushushuuu? Please god, don't use that name. I at the very least will refer to him as "that guy with the hard to spell name", If i refer to him at all. Have mercy, I beg you. His name sounds like a pile of mashed potatoes.
>>34532210that could be interesting tbh - some of the more astute Primarchs could notice something not quite right about Uriels reaction, but assume its just his normal tricks; as if their was a more important reason it happened - never suspecting it was all a staged event. Could have the pre-cogs warning me that if I'm not careful in the future (at Paramar) I will lose a lot of my legion in a 'great battle'. >>34532242I don't know if there would be many true loyalists - but I did have the idea of either a) we attack another legion, and some survivors manage to escape our well laid out attack, and we have to spend lots of time post - heresy hunting them down to stop ourselves being revealed, or b) it's our own loyalists.But like I said, I don't see us having many loyalists - we're naturally comfortable with secrets, and even down to the scout level our marines are involved in our espionage and plotting stuff, and we're the first legion to fall - we could even have loyalists that still work for us and our traitorous agenda, without realising due to the nature of espionage - the cell structure and not being told more than you need to know etc.
>>34532321That's pretty much everything I can think of writing for the Legion, by the way. I could maybe go into more detail regarding the homeworld, but other than the fact that it's a largely arid world with many small continents in a large ocean and there was a history of disease and mutation before Tiamat's coming, I think I've covered it. I look forward to everyone's appraisal, and will be on hand to answer any questions and suggestions.
>>34532329It's actually Mushusu, I actually only just noticed I'd been typing it with two Shu's rather than a shu and a su. *_* The names of the eleven children of Tiamat are all after Babylonian demons, so I'm being careful about adjusting them.
>>34532334Oh, yeah, fair enough, but it would be a great display of how ruthless and tricksy your primarch is... He engineers this whole event to clean up any side that shows loyalty to anybody but him, while coming out looking good to everybody, and no one, not even in his own legion, would be able to tell anyone otherwise.
>>34532289go for it Anon - Emperor grant you speed>>34532285>>34532314Yeah take the Nova's out, that gives us 28 right? least thats even then - although tbh, 29 works with the Children on both sides as like a half legion for each side.
>>34532373That's... not really any better, but ok.
>>34532373>>34532421I'm actually with Arelex on this one. Is there another name, one that's clearer to the keyboard/eye?
>>34531909>First off, the roles of the Knights of Justice and the Barrow Lords should be inverted.>The Knights are about Justice, and Justice is a gruesome, long, and tiresome affair in 40k, you have to fight for it tooth and nails. Them being a "we drop, we hit and leave", where the Barrow Lords with a background of being space pirates actually do the "we airdrop here, we fight AND we hold",>This doesn't make much sense to me.Symptom of a bigger problem. Despite all the shoving, they're trying to divide one idea between them. Which is kind of Bohemond, but it's a dead end.
>>34532453>>34532373Looking over the children of Tiamat - they are going to translate badly..But Mushussu isnt the easist to deal with name of the 11 - Uridimmu , Basmu, Lahmu you might get away with - but the rest are gonna be out of place without some *very* good fluff and cultural additions... >>34532565i think i'm just going to try and make a list of different methods of war/strategy for everyone to pick from/checklist of something
>>34531481Hmm are we tying that in with the other events that happened in the Ultima Segmentum?
>>34531518I started giving each legion its own page, where all their legion and primarch info could be posted. I think I made a standard layout based on someone elses and then started cutting and pasting everyone stuff into the areas that they seemed to apply to. Take a look, the links are all a part of that big table at the top of the wiki
>>34532635Not sure what you mean by other events. I'm going to be awol for a while though, got some shit to do. Will return in a few hours though.
>>34532661I see mine doesn't exist yet, but I do think that's a good idea. It'll make the page easier to navigate
>>34532670Theres a small section about the other events that happened in Ultima Segmentum. Basically after Ishvaan V, Hektor knows that there are still a bunch of loyalists out there in the Ultima Segmentum, so he sends the Black Augurs and convinces Uriel to trick the Bulwark into blocking off the Silver Catachrants and the Steel Marshalls.
>>34532702I can start transferring again. I got bored after a while and hit a part where like the next couple of legions didn't have a lot of info so I went to take a break. I wasn't even sure you guys would approve of the idea so I didn't want to do everything and end up you guys not liking it.
>>34532729Uriel needed no convincing - we started the heresy moving - we'd keep a good track and do our best to make sure our guy was gonna come out on top by any means necessary.
>>34529869I'm against including these guys on at least two grounds.Firstly, Bohemond and Darius misrepresented a previous consensus on cutting down the numbers: we really weren't accepting Legions when the Banes were proposed.Secondly (and alluding to the reason we were cutting Legions), it's another biomedical Primarch. You are stomping all over the Lifebringers' turf. And the Emperor's turf as well, considering he needed access to Earth's advanced scientific facilities for the Astartes project.
>>34532771I said convincing, since last time you seemed upset when I suggested Hektor could order you around.
>>34532285I say we try to go with 30, we leave some slots in case some gifted anons can get some good ideas in and to get those slots we purge some of the slots that are unesed.Also we need a Legion with the role of Morale,a bit like the Word Bearers after they had fallen to Chaos.
>>34532176Would the children have infiltrators and inside men in legions? Or is that too much spying?
>>34532661Alright, filled my page there, don't worry about that, would you like me to delete the primarch and legion entry in the main wiki page, or would you like to keep them with a brief description of each Primarch and Legion, with another link to the main Legion page?
>>34532771until of course the battle of Terra where we didn't forsee the loyalists holding out so well, and Hektor taking such a gamble with the Emperor in personal combat.A kind of ''we've done all we can, its all down to Hektor now'' situation. (Once the heresy reaches Terra that is) >>34532775we are dropping the Nova's and the machine guard are under new management, the Iron Council returned, although might have disappeared again, and the Horns and the Bulwark are finally in the chart list despite being active/done the whole time. But you are right - we've covered MOST but I dont believe all, of the legion archetypes - I'm about to post a list of different styles of the various methodologies for legions.
The Warped (Working Title)No one knows the origin of The Warped. Some believe they are the survivors of a lost War Scribes battle barge, which fell into the warp and was never seen again. Others believe they are Sons of Armok who grew tired of skulking and planning, and chose to take a lack of subtlety to extremes. Others believe they are not from a single legion, but many, and that any Astartes lost in the warp inevitably joins The Warped, twisted by the horrors he sees.What is known about The Warped is that they are feared across the galaxy. They tear through the very fabric of reality, and scream forth from warp storms to rape, pillage, and slaughter whatever they find. The only warning of their arrival is a glowing panchromatic storm in the skies, moments before they crash to the ground and begin the slaughter. They leave as quickly as they arrived, often before any armed forces can be brought to bear against them.The Warped have received their name from the heavy mutations they bear. Spending almost all of their time in the chaotic frenzy of the warp, they are mutated and shaped into insane impossibilities. Tentacles, crab-like claws, and eldritch warp flame spew forth from the bodies of the Warped, making them terrors to behold. The Warped prefer lightning fast combat. Many of them prefer to ride assault bikes, roaring past the innocents and tearing them apart with a quick swipe from their razor-sharp claws. Others prefer to soar over burning villages on jump packs or wings, swooping down and snapping up children in their talons, and bringing them off somewhere to gnaw on their bones.Many Warped are mutated beyond the ability to think for themselves. These mad posessed beasts are used like warhounds, driven before The Warped to hunt down fleeing villagers and tear them to pieces.Comments/Criticism/Questions/Ideas?
>>34532853Nice idea for a war band, might wanna flesh out their origins
>>34532810I did? I've not got upset dude, no worries. But I don't remember anything about Hektor bossing me around at all... We would have to play subservient anyway - Hektor doesn't know we started the Heresy, and have been manipulating events so that he *should* be able to usurp the throne from the Emperor - the plot just doesn't follow through all the way. But yeah, we'd have to pretend to let Hektor convert us anyway, to feed into our own plans. >>34532819Well i thought that would be going too far - but as a matter of 'putting our spy networks to aid the emperor(and traitors)' we'd have liasons attached to their command - like how erebus followed Horus around in the HH books I guess. So we keep tabs on what everyone is doing, but we don't outright have inside marines so to speak.
>>34532835Nah I'll delete them all once I make sure everythign has been transferred over probably. I'll probably make a complete copy of the old page before I do too.
>>34532908The Legions have substantial auxiliaries (millions of men), so you can have agents among those.
>>34532842>we've covered MOST but I dont believe all, of the legion archetypes - I'm about to post a list of different styles of the various methodologies for legions.OK, but I'm going to keep the razor handy.
So how many primarchs are actually alive?
>>34533037I'm not sure. I know I'm dead.
>>34532959Hey Gaspard, would you like me or you to write up the Eyes refoundation bit? Also, should we add a foot note or paragraph about Octullus' trial in the post heresy?
>>34533111Write up a version of it in the Eyes section, I'll include relevant details in the Void Angels section.
>>34532908Originally when I wrote the Battle of Belapaas and the Ultima Segmentum stuff I had you as the primary villain behind it all, but when you read it you said you felt like you had been down played as more of "Hektor's whipping boy" so I changed the part about the warp storm being conjured by the Black Augurs instead.I just feel you guys are now delegating a lot of stuff to the Black Augurs, since they're now involved in like 4 major engagements, Ishvaan V , 2 in Ultima Segmentum, and the Saturn stuff. I mean I don't realy mind but at the moment there are alot of legions with only minor roles. I just think we should make sure all the legions are involved before we start assigning out more events.
>>34532884Got any ideas?
>>34533111Also, i was thinking that Octulleses actual punishment (Not his legions) should be kind of vague, like walking into the Emperors thrown room in chains and escorted by Custodes and once the doors close, he is never seen again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez1_FGzmd5ASo, I've been thinking, trying to figure out what to do post-heresy. And a thought occurred to me. Merrill still keeps his ideas for warfare, he's just obsessed with completely disrupting order in society. Not necessarily terror attacks, but if he takes out the ability to govern, society itself will crumble on its own.And that's what he's fighting for.Utter, and total societal collapse and chaos. Other Legions can burn worlds to the ground, drown them in blood, tear them apart with warpfire, etc. But what is a purer form of chaos than Entopy itself? Remove the supports, and everyone else will tear the universe asunder on their own...That sound good to everyone?
>>34533160Well, perhaps they could have gotten their origins in some kind of multi-Legion. Warrior lodge or Cult that had traditions of looking into the warp for what ever reason. When Nikea came down, they were considered Sorcerers and to escape, they fled into the warp.
>>34533171Sounds chaotic to me
>>34533171So you're saying that you want to be an anarchist? That's fine, just don't arm your men with sex pistols.
>>34532853This is fine. I like the ambiguous origin.
>>34533153Alright, I can take some of the load off of his plate there, as I've only got like two things known at this point.1) I get into a long, running engagement with the Scale Bearers either immediately before, or during Istvaan V2) I need to get troops to toss that computer virus into Mars.The latter places us into the solar system, so we can take place performing support operations on multiple planets. We are an asymmetrical legion, after all. And overall, would be much better supporting several different battlefronts than the main force on one. Perhaps we could be securing LZ's and destroying PDF installations before the main body touches down?Or taking some of those Ultima Segmentum targets, to clear a path for the rest of the traitors?
>>34533267>>34533276https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbmWs6Jf5dcThanks, and why not on the Sex Pistols? I like them...
Time to start cookingSommesgarde, homeworld of the Machine GuardTemperate and possessing a varied number of ecosystems, Sommesgarde is a pleasantly diverse world marked by four large continents that occupy a full 60% of the planetary surface. It drifts along a lengthy orbit in the habitable belt of the Baleaux system, providing a cool, temperate climate that varies from a balmy summer at the equator to polar ice caps locked in near-eternal winter.Given the favorable circumstance for the foundations of life, Sommesgarde saw mankind flourish during the Dark Age, and even when cut off during the Age of Strife the culture of its peoples only regressed but so far. High technology was lost in the mayhem due only to scarcity of food to sustain the dozens of billions of souls dwelling on the plains and hills of the continents. The relatively small oceans were fished to depletion, the land ravaged in the ceaseless hunger to feed more people than was sustainable. So began the twilight wars, which shattered the technological powers and brought about a lesser dark age all its own to the survivors.In the wake of the small apocalypse brought to Sommesgarde, several nations formed for the sake of mutual survival. The bitterness that formed from the centuries of warfare brought military matters to the forefront of the government agendas, leading to an arms race to provide men at arms with the latest in munitions, ordnance, and logistical support. Alliances were formed in a network of mutual benefit, leading to whole stretches of each continent being bound by oaths of support for the inevitability of warfare. No less than three global conflicts emerged from this network of partnerships, the final of which saw the rise of the Primarch of the Machine Guard.
>>34533351I think you should work on Primarch and Legoin stuff. No one really has much on their home planets.
>>34533351Hold on. I'm not commenting on the quality of what you're writing, but this thread was meant to be a decision thread on 25 or 30 legions. You were part of that discussion and know what the conditions were. Could you hold up and see what happens with the Barrow Lords before forcing this? If people keep doing this we will get to 300 Legions.
>>34533392Whats wrong with him filling up stuff on a legion thats never really been touched?
>>34533392I've been asking and nobody would answer if the Machine Guard had been definitively cut or not. Since they were still on the roster, I thought to give them some work so they're not just a blank spot on the wiki. If the consensus is that they're getting the axe, then I'll back off, no problem.>>34533369I am. The reason I'm starting with the homeworld is to segway into the Primarch's youth and origins. It just seemed like a sensible place to start.
>>34533392True enough. From what I was able to tell in my drunken state this morning, the Barrow Lords were going for a mobile shock and awe force. do we have something that fits that role already? We have the KOJ, but looking back, their roles may be similar, but might be different enough to justify the Barrow Lords being their own legion.
>>34533438I thought we were cutting them. Personally, I hold that we can cut down to 25 legions, with 5 open slots, in case someone wants to come in later with a really awesome, clear, unique idea in mind.
>>34533437Nobody has touched Legion CCXI either. Just saying.
>>34533437Because we'd rather cut the onces that haven't been touched and isn't really cared about for people that are actually gonna do their shit.
>>34533153OHHH yeah that - the whipping boy comment was borne from frustration at having my Legions backstory misunderstood - at the time, the Children wouldn't have been in any upfront fight with you, cos we positioned our forces to be just too far away to take part in most of the Heresy. The ending saved it, as you wrote us as having a nefarious plot for all that came before to be for - although it was a bit too bond villain evil rather than the KGB/CIA self-serving moral ambiguity style of evil I'm trying to make the Children represent. But no hard feelings at all man - it was well written, if i wasnt so close to the antagonists of the writing, I would have loved it wholeheartedly. Now though, I'm fleshing out the little cell-like mini-chapters scattered around the galaxy that make up 50%ish of the Childrens legion, providing support to *everyone* during the Crusade, to get some credit, but not enough to actually achieve anything + allowing us to be present to affect the events (When helping the traitor legions, we'd use new traitor colours when helping the traitors)I'm being written into more of the stuff now - but the for all intents and purposes, the Children are seen as Loyalists. I'm working on my Primarch and Legion fluff first so thats done (writers block)- then I'm gonna start working us into the stuff going down Lumey and some others have had some good suggestions on how the Children can be a part of shit while keeping true to the nature of our legion though.
>>34533439I thought we defined the difference between both like last thread? KoJ were crazy Aerial Superiority/Assault while Barrows were Airborne and Void Combat. So Barrows take control of orbit, wait a bit, then send down mass's of men, while KoJ just fly in blow up everything then send down men to claim whatevers left.
>>34533438Last thread, Arelex's proposal - which got a fair bit of approval - was to give the Nova Defenders and Barrow Lords this thread to sort their shit out. If they didn't, we were cutting to 25. An issue has come up with the Bulwark not being on the main list, but that may mean we need to cut a Chaos Legion as well.
>>34533506This was a failed enterprise. See>>34531909>>34532565
>>34533492I remember when you started your Legion, I got your ideas, I think, just fine. Hell, my suggestions earlier were just to give a little bit more flavor for everyone who reads the stuff, to keep this kind of confusion from happening...>>34533506We refined it really early on in this thread. I'll be honest, I'm lazy and really don't want to go through the early posts to pull all of that stuff out.
>>34531682What about "Manji" or "Ushumanji" as a Primarch name?I assume your Legion's ethnicity will be African?===Also I suggest we cut the Silver Spears.For the Machine guard we have to wait for Wayward Guardsman to come back, but still another technology based Legion is going to be troublesome (unless they are about bionics, Not!Iron Hands)Also we have a conflict between Black Augurs and Sand Keepers. Although Augurs are more about Psykers, the name suggest divination and that's exactly what the Sand keepers are about.Augurs => Psychic/Sorcerous WarfareSand Keppers => Battlefield Predictions/DivinationThe only problem is the name of the Black Augurs.
>>34533519we won't need to cut anyone except the Nova's.There WILL be another method of war for the Barrow Lords to use, maybe (and hopefully) a choice. Just doing some quick research to fill out my list
Then I'm going to step back until it's set in stone what's going to happen, and work out what I'll be doing once I can get a clear, unified answer. No biggie, just if the Machine Guard do stick around, I've got them covered.
>>3453346725 legions with 5 open slots is fair.30 legions seems like a comfortable, not too low, not terribly high, and even.
>>34533624Right, but those 5 open slots have to have some stipulations to join. We're willing to work with people, but it has to fill certain criteria:>The idea must be clear>The idea must be concise>The Legion must fulfill a single battlefield role>The Legion must utilize a specific method of fulfilling that role>The Legion must be unique to the setting
Is the Updater around? We could use the Battlefield Role List.Also we are getting close to 300 posts, the time to cut is coming fast.
>>34533688Is the list and the legion size on it supposed to be pre or post heresy?
>>34526043>>34526274>>34526539>>34526697>>34526895>>34527128>>34527659>>34527754>>34527919>>34527993>>34528256I think it's fucking awesome and excellent except for two things. One is that the Voidwatcher is most certainly not crazy. Psychopathic, well versed in the arcane, cocky, and with a complete disregard for human life, but not warp-addled. He would probably send 3 of his most powerful alone to the ship as a test and because he's sure enough of their training that they won't fail. Two is the name of the flagship and all the sorcerers. The one "The" guy is named correctly but the other ones should also be "The" names. All captains/high ranking sorcerers in the Black Augurs have "The" because all of them are members of the Vates and so relinquish there names. Also I'm just not sure about the name of the flagship. >>34533575Hey, I've been around for a long goddam time with that name. Check out my chapter page to see why they're named that. It's explained. I won't be on for much of today because I have work so this will be my only post for some time.>>34533680Road warrior biker legion must be a thing. Someone please make one of those legions like that. That is all.
>>34533575We both use sorcery and divination, but in different ways. the Sand Keepers use it more broadly, to find enemies, get intel, kinda find out whats going to go down, then go in and blast em with warp spells and a huge horde a guys.The Augurs use it more precisely, they find the weaknesses strike mercilessly then leave before the enemy can even retaliate. >Sand Keepers go, "Hm, theres going to be a big explosion here. I dunno how or why the fuck its going to happen, but its fate">Augurs go "Big explosion might happen here? Fuck that I see where they will be weakest, we'll strike there and laugh when they never get to use this secret weapon of theres"me and Voidwatcher agreed on this
>>34533680Oh I agree, those could mostly be considered as security slots, in case we discover later that we forgot something, or if someone, as you said, comes with a really freaking good idea.Next edition should be named:"Check the other Primarchs and Legions before making yours, or you get the Fist"
>>34533710>Road warrior biker legion must be a thing. Someone please make one of those legions like that. That is all.see >>34532853Sort of fills that role
>>34533724I thought the Black Augurs would be more about unleashing Hellfire Storms or blasting the enemy with Lightning Bolts.>>34533710Again, your two legions are distinct enough, the ONLY problem is the "Augurs" word. It makes both of you step on the same stone.Black Augurs are supposed to be THE Psykers Legion right?
Alright, I'll be back soon.
>>34533724I wonder if Darius needs to be all that great a Sorcerer. The main vibe I get from him is the peacemaker and morale guy.
Alright, gents, the time is getting near, and I think we should take votes for the final decision:1) Who votes for cutting Rook>I do, so that's 1.2) who votes for cutting Barrow Lords3) Who votes for cutting Machine Guard?>I do, so that's 1. Sorry Wayward Guardsman, but this does give you an opening to make your own, now. From the ground up.
>>34533839If anything I can make my legion less sorcery and rely mostly on Darius's divinations, but I'd like to keep Darius himself as a powerful psyker
Yeah, going AFK for a moment, will be back.
Sorry for the radio silence, I was having dinner.>>34532421>>34532453I'm going to be honest, I'm not really seeing the issue we're having. The names are supposed to sound exotic, and they're actual real names so sounding weird is pretty well justified. Musshusu rolls off the tongue pretty easily to me. Muh shuh soo. I've made some alterations to the names of the children already, so if someone can help me find a way to make Musshusu apparently more speakable without undermine the theme, I'd be grateful.>>34532589I don't understand, what you mean by translate badly? Are you referring about the historic children, or the praetors I created based on theme. In any case, I honestly don't understand why actual real-word names - and consistently named within the group - sound out of place next to names the mixture of real and made up names we've got elsewhere.>>34532775Well, that's fair enough. If there's no room, then there's simply no room and I'll reserve my writing and legion for another primarch project. I feel the Banes (temporary name) are distinctive enough from the Life Bringers, given that the Horus Heresy primarchs include two three technologically apt legions, two of which have servo-armed captains and iron their name, two blood-themed close assault chapters, two darkness and jump pack themed chapters with claw-wielding primarchs and so on.(as for the emperor's science thing, I'm hinting that something to do with the creation of the sons is what lead to Tiamat's death - possibly that he had to extract his own essence to create them and was slowly dieing, or possibly something darker and concerning the warp)>>34533575You must have glossed over the first post - the Primarch's name is Tiamat, there's no issue there, and they are Babylonian themed.
>>34534000> as I get ready to head out.Fuck.I vote for cutting the Nova Defenders.I vote for cutting Machine Guard.I vote for cutting Silver Spears.
>>34534040Aren't Silver Spears the resident Slaanesh Marines?Maybe The Warped could become a Legion?
>>34534000Please keep voting limited to those who are in a named Legion, and the Updater. If you are included, but have been posting anonymously, please tell us which Legion/Primarch you've been working on.>2>1>2
>>34534027Tiamat is VERY overused as a name,like VEEEERY overused (DnD, LoL, ect...)
>>34534027It's more that Musshushu is a pain to type, not to say. >>34534000Cut RookMake Barrow Lords a Successor chapter of someone, he's done enough work to earn that at least. Cut or Rebuild Machine Guard.
I'm gonna vote as the stand in Machine Guard guy, if that's cool.I vote for cutting Novas, Silver Spears, and I'm going to abstain on the Machine Guard
>>34534055they have been more than inactive,they deserve the cut.Also, AFK.
>>34534000Cut all.Nathanog's suggestion to cut the Silver Spears is a good one, though we need to push another Traitor Legion into the arms of Slaanesh
>>34534027'sall good, dude.who knows, maybe we're just being racist.>>34534000>>34534079>>34534095>4>3>4
>>34534079>Make Barrow Lords a Successor chapter of someone, he's done enough work to earn that at least.All cut legions are entitled to be reworked as successors.>>34534055I like The Warped, but don't play me.
>>34534127>but don't play me.what?
>>34534089If guardsman wants to take up Machine Guard I say let him. Its a little saddening to cut Rook since he got a picture from our drawfag but he was kinda randumb.
>>34534127Agreed.Also, we could redo the Silver Spears into the Warped, possibly. When was the last time he was on?Oh, right, captcha, it was on the calctro occasion.
>>34534027The names and theme were clear to me, it's just a matter of drawing the line on new Legions. If a variation on a theme is enough to add another Legion, we will get to 300 and that is a mistake.
>>34534150I've spent two threads trying to get a lid on the number of Legions. You have a good idea for a Warband, it doesn't need to be a Legion, don't try to wedge it in as a Legion.Please.
>>34534067I actually disagree. There are literally only three usages of Tiamat that I am aware of, of which only one is related to the actual Babylonian deity. It's not a unique name like all the Primarch names, but *very* is not a word I'd associate with Tiamat in any way, other than "very old".>>34534079Maybe I'm a good typist? I dunno. Maybe I'll rename him Basmu, seeing as I haven't used that name.
>>34534162Hey, I don't disagree with you about that on either point, but Rook was really given ample opportunity. Maybe we can keep some of the story, have him be a Captain/Chapter Master who, after his valiant death to save his Legion, was given sainthood?
>>34534211You got it, boss.
>>34534162Rook will be totally fine as a Chapter Master. Good strategist with a wry sense of humour, Chapter founded to defend the lighthouse (which is some kind of ancient artefact). Simple. It fell apart when we tried to build that up into a Legion.
>>34534220Well at least thats one less Primarch whos barely taller than a normal space marine. Though theres still you and one other midget primarch.
>>34534260Mine still has me head and shoulder above the average space marine, specifically, and it says I'm ONE of the shortest.I'm the small, fast sneaky guy. Like the Iroquois. Or Gurkhas.
I'll be back in a while, I'm raiding Ulduar. After that I'll write The Fall of The Entombed, whether the Life Bringers guy is here or not, and work on the Warlord of the Warped. I think he'll take Eldar soulstones as trophies or something.
>>34534271haha I'm just joking around and hatin on the short primarchs. I guess it matches for you since your not!nativeamerican but it didn't really sit well with me for the others. the only other ethnicity I'd accept being a short primarch is maybe a really asian one. I'm totally picturing a Jackie Chan primarch right now. In any case, maybe one of the primarhc without an appearance can steal Rook's picture as his own? I'd hate to put drawfags art to waste.
>>34534110>>34534000Alright, I say we give the voting another 21 minutes, or 3:15 my time, here. What say the group?Is anyone going to vote against?>4-0>3-1>4-0
>>34534110Hah, naw. I'm actually watching a program about Africa and ebola right now, and I can safely say that we could be a lot more racist right now.>>34534177Well, bearing in mind that a little theme variation is not necessarily a bad thing, and I can't see the number of Primarchs here exceeding 30 now we're trimming down, AND I am happy with diminishing the apothecarion side of the legion (I stated in one post a while back, which is easy to skim over in the thread) . . . well, it's all up in the air really.
>>34534371vote against what?
>>34534337Yeah, touche.I'll be honest, that idea of the little guy who uses speed and brains over brawn was something I was going for before he was not!nativeamerican, as an archetype.
>>34534393>>34534371>>345340001) Who votes for cutting Rook>I do, so that's 1.2) who votes for cutting Barrow Lords3) Who votes for cutting Machine Guard?>I do, so that's 1. Sorry Wayward Guardsman, but this does give you an opening to make your own, now. From the ground up.
>>34534388>it's all up in the air really.We've been here before with the Nova Defenders and the Barrow Lords. I recommend reworking the idea as a Warband.
>>34534437Never even heard of the barrow lords. so i vote for them
>>34534446all cut Legions can or will be reworked as successors/warbands.People put a lot of effort into a lot of these, and it's insulting to just give them the chop. It just needs to happen so we can move forward.>>34534464And the other two?>4-0>4-1>4-0
>>34534494I vote against not cutting the other two. they might be busy or something.
>>34525733So Barrow Lords.Yes or no?I can add or clarify in like an hour
>>34534517>>34534000Hey, I understand, we're just trying to trim the fat on this project right now, and that might mean giving people the chop. I know Nova Defenders and Machine Guard have been given a while to really get to flesh out their stuff, and neither they, nor other people have really put much into it, or gotten a clear conclusion.>>34534551Looks like you might get cut here, there's 10 minutes for you, and I'm the only one that's voted to keep you around for a bit longer. You'll still be able to be a successor chapter or warband, though.>4-1>4-1>4-1
>>34524479>the terminator on the far right>You gain brouzouf.>You gain brouzouf.>You gain brouzouf.>You gain brouzouf.>My legs are OK.
>>34534551I will let you vote in your own defense, you know. Your voice also counts for or against the other two.If Wayward Guardsman is around, he can do the same.
>>34534446Mrmmm, well I'm not against that but if another project like this crops up on merry teeg (and we all know it will) I'll definitely put the Tiamat Legion up to it. The key gimmick of the legion (like bionics being the Iron Hands gimmick and perfection the Emperor's Children's etc.) is the themed group based on Tiamat's kids, so that may be tricky to do as a successor. Otherwise, it isn't too difficult to do, if we have Askyr as a planet conquered by the Life Bearers and Tiamat or Gilgamesh as a Life Bearers captain that founded his own chapter. Speaking of which, I came up with an alternative name for the Legion - The Hands of Infinity. It ties in the creation them with the hand, the symbol of sculpture, with infinity to refer to the variety of modifications present.
>>34534591A lot of thought was put into trying to build up the Nova Defenders. Rook said yes to all of it, rather than having a clear notion of what he was trying to do.
>>34534591Bugger. What do people see as lacking? Else they're probably going to be Void Angel's second or third company or something identify able during the heresy etc. Sort of like the Templar
>>34534591I vote in favor of reworking the Nova Defenders and Barrow Lords into Chapters.As for the Machine Guard, I vote in favor of cutting them.
>>34534110>>34534095>>34534094>>34534003>>34534211>>34531063Why not have the Barrow Lords replace the Silver Spears - Babylonian culture is kind of Slaaneshi as it goes.. But yeah the name Tiamat is the most used Babylonian god - second maybe to Ishtar?But Ishtar is my vote as an alternative - you can keep the Tiamat children thing - although i'd recommend using the names of babylonian people rather than their gods. They're still a moutful, but they translate better when you anglicise/romanize them. I vote to keep the Machine Guard unless Wayward Guardsman decides to change them completely - but either way that slot is his.I also vote to cut Novamarines/Rook.Barrowlords could work still. Posting list of styles/methods of warfare now.
>>34534648You're right. And that was part of the problem. He said yes to just about everything, and the end result was just as unclear as it was in the beginning. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but there has been a definite need to cut some excess out for a while here. We're also going to keep slots open, but set rules for what it takes to start one up.>>34534691Basically, people think that you're not definingly unique enough. At least, if you get cut, you'll have the chance to come up with another one, with a more defining set of rules as to how to do that.
>>34534741>Why not have the Barrow Lords replace the Silver Spears - Babylonian culture is kind of Slaaneshi as it goes..Because too many Legions.
>>34534636Still here. As stated in >>34534089 I'm gonna abstain from the Machine Guard vote>>34534765You'd still be dropping a legion; the Silver Spears would be getting axed. Though if you're saying more than that need to get cut, fair dues.
>>34534636I'm in favor of myself.Nova yes. I want to see what Rook figures out.I'm not so hot on the machine guard but that's mostly because I'm not sure what they do. Still I'd rather not cut but clarify.
>>34534765That isnt too many though - Barrow lords ARE active while the Silver Spears arent.We NEED a slaaneshi group - and the Babylonian culture has lots of slaaneshi deals with it. We still cut one legion down - but we don't remove a active and contributing member of the team that way. Fat cut = no-one is lost in the process. ALSO >>34534739Wayward Guardsman is working on them - its a bit fucked up to cut them right when he's just picked up the project
>>34534759>if you get cut, you'll have the chance to come up with another one, with a more defining set of rules as to how to do that.Don't dangle this in front of people. It sounds like a favour, but it's not. There is heaps of space for Successors. I'm prepared to wait on Uriel's list of possible styles, but there's no need for all of them to be used as Legions.
>>34534815>if you're saying more than that need to get cut, fair dues.We needed to cut 3 (actually 4) at the start of this thread. We gained another in the course of the thread because happy feels. We're about to cut 3 and refuse that extra one, we still need to cut one more to make 25.
>>34534219For what it's worth, I did some more reading on Babylonian names and hit on a name that I haven't used and would work as a replacement for Mushusu to spare those with twistable tongues some pain. Musatur, anybody?
>>34534841how long have the silver spears been INACTIVE?
>>34534841I can only accept this if Bulwark AND Silver Spears make way for the Banes.
>>34534739>>34534000>>34534741>6-1>5-2>5-2>>34534850Not trying to dangle anything in front of anybody, just let them be informed.I'm fully in support of turning them into successors/warbands, but we need to cut down on the list of legions atm.>>34534841And you're right, but I don't know what he's done with them, and they were on the chopping block for a while.I hate being the asshole, but it's about time to start actually cutting things down in order to be able to focus more.Besides, I'd rather see him come up with something new, rather than reformat someone else's idea.
>>34534841>>34534919The banes are still a work in progress, and can be acceptable for use in the future.Don't know anything about Bulwark or the silver spears, nor have I seen them in forever
>>34534841I do feel like kind of a jerk, actually, but Merrill has a point.
ok shit this list is HUGE btw - although some overlap - I was putting it together fast not clean>Greentext is strategyblack text is explanation>Asymmetrical warfareguerilla/insurgency - tend to be light infantry.>Tactical raids fast and using good intelligence and the element of surprise. Tend to be light infantry.>Elastic strategy - long range maintaing long range supremacy but using mobility to stay out of reach of enemy.could be light infantry, or APC borne troops/bikes&jetpacks>Elastic strategy - close rangehit and run assaults when on offensive, and forcus on rapid counter-attacks on the defensive, using mobility to outmaneuver the enemy attack. could be light infantry, or APC borne troops/bikes&jetpacks>Mechanised Infantry HEAVY use of APC and support vehicles, tanks providing mobile heavy support, with the focus on massed vehicle borne infantry, and mobile artillery.>Massed Armour infantry as support, tanks en masse a la Blitzkrieg - usually with close air support.>Pitched Battle fire and maneuver (modern style leap-frogging), line ranks (napoleonic style)>Static defense - Trench raiders/diggers >Static defense - strategic strongpoint defensefocus on creating kill zones to funnel enemy into>Static defense - defence in depth lots of strategic withdrawals and counter attacks>Static defense - hedgehog defense you pull into a 360 degree defensive line and LET yourself be surrounded.>Mobile defense - fighting withdrawal constantly withdrawing to new position while taking down the enemy attackers.>Mobile defense - counter-attacks and strategic withdrawals into defensive positions>Mobile defense - Rapid Defensive Operations outmaneuver the enemy, setting up defensive positions, forcing them to face you or suffer a strategic strangulation as you cut off supply/comms etc>Mobile defense - Fabian strategy wear down enemy with attrition, while avoiding a pitched battle with the enemy>Mobile defense - Scorched earthPart 1continued>>
>>34535018Trust me, I hate being the guy to do this, I'm just accepting that we have to at least agree on the chopping block before moving on.
>>34535066wheres the. full fledged bfg assault with no retreat or any defensive tactics once o ever?
>>34535070Hey, you're just taking the votes. We agreed last thread that I was the one crushing hopes and dreams.
>>34534919>>34535009Bulwark are active under me man - they've been written into Cataphract and Marshal backstory. They stay. >>34534900seemingly foreverContinued list:>Air Assault - drop troops with air support/no air support>Air Assault - deep strike and drop pods>Air Assault - Landing partylanding and disembark from plane/gliders? + maintaining air support for supplies (needing no land supply routes)>Offensive - Human wave attack>Offensive - Holding attack one force holds the enemy engaged, while another pincer attacks and flanks>Offensive - frontal assault>Offensive - forward infiltration and reconnaisance (skirmish strategy)>Offensive - rapid deployment airborne or vehicle based>Offensive - interdiction cutting off enemy communication and supply to weaken, then attack as you see fit>Offensive - divide and conquerfocus on isolating pockets of enemy forces to take on piecemeal>Offensive - battle of annihilationgoal of destroying the enemy in one single pivotal battle>Offensive - clear and hold methodically clearing sectors of enemy before moving onto the next sector. effective against insugency tactics>Offensive - surgical strikes targeting the enemy comman structure and crucial strategic targets while avoiding a straight up fight.>Offensive - denial methodically destroying the enemies ability to wage war against you. >Offensive - Indirect approach attacking the weakest positions with the least resistance.>Offensive - Penetration attacks aim of breaking the enemy line to circle and attack the enemy in the rear.>Offensive - Shock and Awe>Offensive - Swarming essentially large scale, OVERT asymmetrical warfare.>Defensive/Offensive - Encirclement surrounding the enemy and attacking from all angles. >Heavy infantry Assaultthe Entombed>Urban specialists>Jungle specialists>Desert/Ice specialists similar enough terrain?>Force concentration concentrating larger force onto a portion of the enemy force at a time.
>>34534741I like Ishtar, that's probably the fourth most used name after Tiamat, Gilgamesh and Marduk. It also fits because Ishtar is also known as Astarte, so heheheh.Anglicisation/Romanization, I can do. How about this:Girdabra - Blue ScorpionsQuesarik - Taurian KingsCuruhl - TritonsEnlil - Tertious FangsMusnare - Menhir ChildrenEugarle - Storm LionsBasmus - Wyrm RidersLahmu - Smiling SwordsAmon the Brute - Shrieking CyclonesGallande - August DragonsMusture - Blood Griffins
>>34535158By that logic why are we cutting the Barrows when Sargons been actively working on it. Or the Machine guard if Wayward wants to flesh them out. I've seen Wayward in at least a few of our threads contribootin.
>>34535158You're claiming Council of Iron, Bulwark, and the Children? I'm calling a vote on Bulwark next thread.
>>34535158>>34535121>>34535018>>34534900LISTEN UP, EVERYONE!Does ANYONE vote for keeping the Silver Spears?
>>34535225I like the silver spears
>>34535225I don't think any works been done on them at all. I say cut them and spare the Barrows
>>34535190He has, and I've been trying to help work on it, but, as a group, it's generally thought it's being too forced into the slot. He isn't really offering something Legion-worthy to the group.
>>34535225I vote in favor of retaining the Silver Spears.
>>34535225I vote for getting rid of them.
>>34535225They can be cut.
>>34535158Continued>>>Balanced&Flexible applying various basic concepts to ALL circumstances and using the best fit for that specific situation (note not at a specialist level)(Sieges tend to involve all of these but they can be specialisations?)>Siege assault - Siege engines and tunnelling/towers etc>Siege assault - direct demolition and bombardment generally faster and more destructive>Siege assault - breach and forlorn hope massed infantry charges- very costly>Siege assault - infiltration could fail and time consuming>Siege assault - counter-fortification trenches and strongpoints enveloping the defenders for artillery and long term siege>Siege defense - extreme defensive fortification oldschool castles&bunkers - big walls and lots of killzones>Siege defense - mobile operational bases sallying forth using the fort as a base of ops to launch counter attacks from>Siege defense - star forts low-profile defenses designed to be harder hit for enemy artillery. Weak against bombardment and air support without Anti Air, strong against infantry and armour>Special - Punishment push the opponents and civilians under them, beyond their economic/physiological breaking point to force a surrender>Special - boarding spaceships - (function as a normal legion on ground?) not sure how useful unless orbital supremacy goes with their strategy>Special - morale damageterror attacks and intimidation>Special - magicmultiple angles for this, but here is typical DMG caster>Special - flame assaultusing fire to control where your enemies go, while burning them>Special - Chemical warfare>Special - Medical combat medic corps?not sure how this really works but we had/have someone using the conceptI left out manipulation as thats not really a direct tactic more of a strategy before you employ the military stuff - its the Childrens method anyway so w.e Anyway thats the list = probably missed something / have overlap
>>34535225I vote cut
>>34535266Have you done the mass vote, yet?>>34534000>>34535291>>34535266Hey, I was only asking because the opinion seemed overwhelming in the idea of cutting them.I figured if enough people wanted them to stay, we could see about how to take care of them next thread.
>>34534000I vote for cutting the Rook and the Nova Defenders, the Machine Guard so Wayward can make his own, and the silver spears. Not the Barrow Lords though
Back.>>34534741> Why not have the Barrow Lords replace the Silver Spears - Babylonian culture is kind of Slaaneshi as it goes.. Please don't make this more complicated...> But yeah the name Tiamat is the most used Babylonian god - second maybe to Ishtar?Tried to tell him, Tiamat is overrused, Final Fantasy, Dungeons and Dragons, even freaking League of Legends...Ishtar sounds really nice though!
>>34535190Yeah thats my *exact* argument/We are cutting cos people are awol right?So why are we cutting people who ARENT AWOL?Thats just unnecessary and exclusionary. >>34535178Yewah that works - although I was aiming that more at the names of the individuals in your Legion, but like i said, even though they are a mouthful, the names of people - ie nebuchanazzar are less, esoteric and people can get the Babylonian bit faster without being alienated by the limitations of language ie Mušḫuššu became Mushusu Ya know what I mean?>>34535225I vote for putting the Barrow Lords in their place. Thats a fair compromise - I dont see why we have to cut anyone just yet when we haven't even got close to finishing shit. >>34535215No Council or Iron guy has come back. The Bulwark I picked up and have DONE cutting them is literally removing ACTIVE fluff for several legions now. They are part of the AU.
>>34535437Its not more fucking complicated - Its really fucking simple guysWe are cutting stuff cos its not active. BARROW LORDS ARE ACTIVE. Ergo cutting them is just being unnecessary. I just posted a huge list of different styles of war - and i missed some more 40k specific ones..He has room to be in our little circlejerk. Let him stay. He contributes.
>>34535459Cutting just means they're no longer a Legion.Second Founding/Successors/Warbands will allow it.>>34535498And, for the record, I agree with you about Barrow Lords.
>>34526539>>34533710I like it as well, only I was under the Impression that as the Terminator Elite, the Haruspex were the First Company and they already have a Captain.
>>34535535I get people are pushing the ''hey just be a successor'' thing, but the guy has a unique concept - he just needs some help with it.Because its not instantly a fit we're cutting him?Rook got cut for being rather bland and non-sensical - Barrow Lords are nowhere near bland. AND the anon is active. Thats a default to 'he stays' Otherwise next time someone else goes awol for a day we'll just cut them/bump them down to successor for not being 'active'.
>>34535498First that would put on Sargon A LOT of expectations to fulfill being THE Slaaneshii Legion, and his Legion can barely get a good enough theme as it is...He is active, but frankly, there is very little that is awe-inspiring about the Barrow Lords, little, they'd do fine as a Chapter, but a Legion, in the Hector Heresy... I don't know
>>34535498>>34535624I agree with Uriel, Barrow Lords should replace the Spears as a Leigon, Spears can be a Warband of the Barrow Lords. Also the Novas can be moved to successors. >>34535651If he is replacing the Spears, he can fold in what some of what they do.
>>34534000Alright, I'm going to throw this out there, as a comprimise.We cut Rook, Silver Spears, and Machine Guard. Wayward Guardsman can start working with a blank slate.Barrow Lords and new guy are not going to be works in progress. They're not going to be listed as Legions, until we can either hammer out all the finer details, or we figure out we can't.Does anyone object to this decision?
>>34535667We should keep to cutting right now.Again, we shouldn't over-complicate this.
>>34535690Barrow Lords and new guy are going to be "works in progress."my bad.
I say we stick the the original 3 on the chopping block for the moment.Silver SpearsMachine GuardNova whateversWe can worry about the other stuff later, just figure those three in specific out.
>>34535690I don't mind but I think we are wasting time here.1) There isn't much awe-inspiring about the Barrow Lords.2) He is in a close to cannibalistic position with Bohemond/Knight of Justice's theme.3) There is nothing there that can ever be Slaaneshii.
>>34535726Hey, only one person wanted to keep the spears.
>>34535651You aren't even giving him a chance Natahanog. With Rook you pushed but had a valid point. With Sargon you don't. He needs help - so we will help him. We let you join when we ''had too many legions''/''Already had a legion doing the thing you want to do''. So he stays. >>34535693Its not overcomplicated - Silver Spears get cut - Barrow Lords stay and fill their slot. SIMPLE AS THAT.Also - New Thread :>>34535768
>>34535751You have points. I think we can still come up with something good out of there, though, and we should give him a bit more time.He won't be official, he'll be a work in progress.
>>34535779> No-one active need to get cut.Oh you little...Seriously though, kinda, I repeat, KINDA fine as long as they are NOT the Slaanesh Legion.That is all.
Hmmm are Primarchs really like 20-25 ft tall? Did Thoren and Onyx steal some height from Merrill and Arelex? IS that why they're only a bit taller than normal marines? :P But srsly, do we really need super wraithlord sized Primarchs? I'm honestly not sure how each was, but I never imagined any reaching 20 feet let alone 2.
>>34535962Because Magnus the Red was basically the 40k Equivalent of an Oni.
>>34536073Oh ya, I forgot about Magnus
>>34535437Ishtar is Ashtaroth is Astarte. As in adeptus Astarte.Yeah we can cut Silver Spears.
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