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>Your name is Anon. You are in cyberspace.

Normally at this time of night you'd be lost in your own headspace, letting some other internet denizen guide your imagination through a story. Maybe one about a red dragon that marries an erinyes, or an african american necromantic mobster, or a frost giantess kickstarting an industrial revolution.
Sometimes you'd even go in for the fetishy stuff about the girl with a dick in totally not hogwarts, run by that tranny.

Tonight however, it seems there's nothing. Not even that really awful one by that one guy everybody hates. You know the one.

Your current favorite Quest has been postponed until the end of the month. You're pretty sure one or two of the others you were following have disappeared when you weren't paying attention too closely as well.

Well what's an Anon to do? It's been like a week since you've got a good Quest fix. You're jonsing. You need your waifus and your power fantasies or else you're going to start being reminded how bad your life actually sucks.

...Maybe you could start your own thread? Yeah! That's it, you'll start your own Quest thread! And it'll be the best one ever because you made it! It'll have all those things you like and none of those things you hate! Honor and praise will be heaped upon your name!

Wait, shit, you forgot for a second there that you're an awful writer. Even back when you were 14 none of your teen titan fanfictions on the fanfic website got any reviews above 3 stars. It'd definitely be the same case here.
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Or maybe YOU don't have to be the one to actually write it? It's the nondescript cyber-future after all. Surely somebody who actually knows how to write code has written some sort of algorithim to write stories FOR you. You just need to supply all the ideas and do some sanity checking for the story. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Sure enough, an hour later you're looking at what looks like a madlibs page. Just fill in the blanks and push the button. Instant story.

"When [THING HAPPENS], [PROTAGONIST] [PURSUES A GOAL]. But will [PROTAGONIST] succeed when [ANTAGONIST] [OPPOSITION]?"

That first field, something has to happen. Right, that makes sense. Otherwise it'd be one of those shitty, boring, slice-of-life things.

So Anon, what do you enter in that field?
>A monster attacks
>Someone kidnaps a waifu
>A prophecy is told
>CUSTOM
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>>34937923
shitposting needs to be done
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>>34937923

Your GM shelves the game you were really looking forward to.
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>>34937923
>A monster attacks
and the monster
>kidnaps a waifu
and
>A prophecy is told
that the MC needs to get them back.

Also make it m/m because nobody does that these days.
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>>34937923
>An empire falls in a single day
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>>34937938
That's less of a thing that happens and more of a constant state of being.
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>>34937923
>A prophecy is told...
>by a protagonist
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>>34937923
The historically discriminated against community of an insular religious group in the shitty part of town is being harassed by a mob of angry villagers and our friend, a member of said insular religious group, is asking for our help.
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>>34937923
>A monster attacks
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>>34937923

The Main Character is Brought back from the Dead.
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>>34937912
I don't know whether I'm more aroused or disgusted by how meta this is.
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>>34937923
>there are no good quests on 4chan
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>>34938082
>I don't know about you, but my boner is SO ERECT right now.

You briefly consider entering that time your GM shelved your favorite game of monstergirl skypriates. Nah, you're recursing enough as it is here. Besides, the goal is to get AWAY from how shitty your life is.

"When [AN EMPIRE FALLS IN A DAY], [PROTAGONIST] [PURSUES A GOAL]. But will [PROTAGONIST] succeed when [ANTAGONIST] [OPPOSITION]?"

Okay, now for that second and fourth field. Who will the protagonist be?

>Animu Shonen Hero's Journey of Legend
>The Little Girl
>An outsider
>CUSTOM
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>>34938135
Suicidal lich.
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>>34938135

>your GM shelved your favorite game of monstergirl skypriates

Hello Pot.
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>>34938135
A busty, female and popular girl, same age as us. Has magical powers to summon a dick for no real definable reason
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>>34938148
seconded.
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>>34938135
>The Little Girl
/tg/ eats that shit up.... But it needs a tweak.
>The Little Princess
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>>34938148
Third.
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>>34938135

Recently Resurrected Villain.
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>>34938135
>CUSTOM
An adorable red panda. Not an anthropomorphic one or anything like that. Just a red panda.
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>>34938157
second
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>>34938148
A maximumloner suicidal lich.
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>>34938157
Yeah, this.
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I'd take this >>34938148

Over >>34938157
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>>34938148
Steve Lichman is go.
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>>34938135
>>34938157
This... if her 'magical dick summoning' is all in her head, and she's really just pulling it out of her purse.
She has no idea how it got there.
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>>34938157
This, it's the furthest away from our reality.
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>>34938148

I'd take this over the fapbait.
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>>34938148
A fucking million times this.
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>>34938157
Seconding that.
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OP, you're going to need to host a numbered vote.
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>>34938157
This please
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>>34938157
This, it isn't some self-insert game, we're trying not to be ourself after all
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>>34938257
>Implying a busty, popular, suicidal lich girl with a magic dick isn't the best option
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>>34938157
This, obviously
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>>34938157
Second, but make her an almost-loli
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>>34938257
Yeah, there is way too much samefagging going on right now.
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>>34938157
busty female
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>>34938135
a hardworking shitposter
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>>34938135

Less busty, more loli version of >>34938157
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>>34938313
Why not both?
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>>34938257
>Or I could just go with whichever one I like better. If I don't have a preference I'll do a FINAL DESTINATION vote.

>>34938135
You toy with a couple of ideas for this one. The people around here sure do eat up being the little girl. Or maybe you could make like the fetishy quest and make a girl with a dick. That was really popular, if controversial.
But then you have a better idea.

A lich! No, even better, a SUICIDAL LICH!

"When [AN EMPIRE FALLS IN A DAY], [A SUICIDAL LICH] [PURSUES A GOAL]. But will [THE LICH] succeed when [ANTAGONIST] [OPPOSITION]?"

Now then, other than ending his own un-life, what should the lich's goal be in response to the fallen empire? This will decide what sort of Quest this will wind up being.

>Mass resurrection of those who died in the empire to rebuild it! [Empire Management]
>Seek out and destroy whoever let this happen! [Adventure]
>They stole your skeleton-waifus skull! You'll need to find a replacement. [Dating-Sim]
>CUSTOM
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>>34938135
>Hardened Boner

Common side effect of running a quest. You're overflowing with creative energy, and every post in the thread is its own separate boost to your ego.

QMing is a heady drug. I love it.
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>>34938353
>They stole your skeleton-waifus skull! You'll need to find a replacement. [Dating-Sim]
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>>34938353
>Build a mausoleum
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>>34938353
>>>They stole your skeleton-waifus skull! You'll need to find a replacement. [Dating-Sim]
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>>34938353
Tries to keep his subordinates alive and happy in a dungeon constantly plagued by adventurers looking for ancient loot.
So, Dungeon Management followed maybe by Empire Management.
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>>34938353
>Mass resurrection of those who died in the empire to rebuild it! [Empire Management]
THIS
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>>34938353
And dropped.
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>>34938353
>>Seek out and destroy whoever let this happen! They probably stole your skeleton-waifus skull! You'll need to resurrect those who died in the empire to replace her. [Adventure-Dating-TACTICAL MILITARY ACTION]
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>>34938353
>Mass resurrection of those who died in the empire to rebuild it! [Empire Management]
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>>34938353
Our quest is to find and destroy our stolen Phylactery so that we can finally die a true death. Duh.
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>>34938353
ALL THREE
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>>34938353
Empire management gets boring awfully fast unless done right, and even then it's a niche.
Adventuring with a lich is essentially placing you at the highest tier of power and leaving nearly no challenge, also no need for interaction, so watch out for all the edgefags everywhere.
And a joke idea which wouldn't appeal to anyone for more than one thread, wonderful.

What sort of shit QM thinks up these ideas?
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>>34938494

This probably makes the most sense.
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>>34938353
Nice railroading you shit eater
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>>34938517
Not like OP is actually trying to appeal to the people in the quest, ignored the most voted and shat all over the other idea.
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>>34938522
Try not having shit taste, pleb.
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>>34938508

The kind who doesn't intend to run a serious quest?
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>>34938494
Third vote for suicide quest.
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>>34938537
The kind who gets shitposters all over his quest.
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>>34938353
Well fuck this.
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>>34938494
This because then our antagonist can be the Suicide Prevention Hotline
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>>34938508
>Probably the same kind that seriously decides to do a quest thread about quest threads. Just sayin'.

>>34938353
You're really torn here. Empire Management? Dating Sim? You might even be able to do some kind of Dungeon Empire since your protagonist is a Lich. But a romantic suicidal lich? It's a pretty great subversion of expectations...
Or maybe the Lich wants to die but can't because his phylactery was stolen when the empire was destroyed in a day?

Ultimately you decide to go with what you know best. And that's Empire Management quests!

"When [AN EMPIRE FALLS IN A DAY], [A SUICIDAL LICH] [BUILDS A NECROPOLIS EMPIRE]. But will [THE LICH] succeed when [ANTAGONIST] [OPPOSITION]?"

Now then, who should the antagonist be?
>A Paladin of light questing to destroy your newly risen denizens!
>A Valkyrie looking to steal your undead warriors for her own cause!
>Your necromancer waifu! She wants to take over your empire and force you to never commit suicide!
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>>34938353
So who exactly is this quest (the one we're creating) appealing to? How are we going to write it? Why did we pick a concept which was exceedingly niche over one which would easily gain voters?
It seems very contradictory to me.
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>>34938593
Or a DUDEBRO cleric of an Undeath-God who remains completely oblivious to our wish for release, and constantly, personally thwarts our attempts to kill ourselves!
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>>34938630
Oh and the
>CUSTOM
option of course.
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>>34938630
>Custom
This >>34938157
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>>34938630
>>34938593
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>>34938630
>Your necromancer waifu! She wants to take over your empire and force you to never commit suicide!
This or
>>34938636
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>>34938644
Second
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>>34938644
THIS
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>>34938644
>Same age as us
So is she also a lich, or is she immortal?
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>>34938630
a stubborn hardworking shitposter
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>>34938644
seconding
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>>34938644
Third
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>>34938630
>Your necromancer waifu! She wants to take over your empire and force you to never commit suicide!
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>>34938678
Same age as us in real life.
We're self-inserting as the antag
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>>34938630
>A Valkyrie looking to steal your undead warriors for her own cause!
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>>34938630
>A Paladin of light questing to destroy your newly risen denizens!
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>>34938630
A bumbling but ultimately well-meaning everyman who just so happens to be the mayor of a small hamlet on the surface.
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>>34938644
>>34938698
THIS THIS THIS
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>>34938698
>>34938644
This is hilarious, so fucking this.
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>>34938630
A magical dick that has the ability to summon a busty woman about the same age as us for no real discernible reason.
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>>34938644
>>34938698
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>>34938754
So a sorcerer with a succubus familiar?
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>>34938630
>>A Valkyrie looking to steal your undead warriors for her own cause!
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>>34938783
stop trying to railroad us OP
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>>34938793
Oh man, I haven't been mistaken for a QM in ages!
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>>34938815
this guy is the antagonist
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>>34938840
I'm in a same thread with a dickgirl right now.
I feel warm and fuzzy.
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>>34938630
A vampire who lives in a castle above ground. Vampires are like the 'cool kids' of the undead to the Lich's nerd.
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>>34938630
You laugh to yourself as you consider the Suicide Prevention Hotline. It makes for a great joke, but you're not sure how they'd actually work as an effective antagonist.

Maybe you could self insert? That's another funny idea, but only a gigantic self-loathing faggot would self insert into a quest thread. Haha, HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>ISN'T THIS THE BEST QUEST EVER
>LAUGH WITH ME YOU NIGNOGS

Right, okay. The Busty Popular girl with a penis you considered as the protagonist sounds like a great idea. That way you have all the gronardian players, AND all the deviant weeaboo players! It'll be perfect.

"When [AN EMPIRE FALLS IN A DAY], [A SUICIDAL LICH] [BUILDS A NECROPOLIS EMPIRE]. But will [THE LICH] succeed when [A BUSTY FUTANARI] [OPPOSITION]?"

Now then, what kind of opposition can a busty futanari bring to a suicidal, empire building lich? You're already going over the boner puns in your head...

>I can't think of any options, this is fucking batshit. CUSTOM WRITE-INS ONLY!
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>>34938947
A busty futanari keeps fucking the corpses you try to resurrect.
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>>34938947
Fucks everything
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>>34938947
Your skeletons rebel because they can't bone her.
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>>34938947
She keeps fucking your resurectees back to death.
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>>34938947

She controls the minds of everyone who has sex with her and seeks to destroy you and your undead empire because Undead are immune to her ability.
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>>34938947
becomes convinced that he is her boyfriend, Chad.
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>>34939052

This honestly seems like the best option.
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>>34939065
CHAD THUNDERCOCK
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>>34938947
Her extraordinary charisma will eventually unite the kingdoms against you, while she subtly brings power to herself by diverting people's attention to you.
Her physical strength far outweighs any single minion you may have.
Her magical prowess is growing by the day, as she is supported by an archmage.

However, the last two cannot be used in full power due to her innocent persona, if that is broken her hold upon the kingdoms and others is weakened, furthering your cause, and slowly devolving her skills.
You must use a combination of politics, strategy and military to truly defeat her.
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>>34939113
Seconding that.
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>>34939113
>>34939052
This seems like the best idea
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>>34939113
Agreed, all 12 inches of her charisma
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>>34939113
Well, the dick at least makes the charisma working on women more believable
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>>34939113
So she's a daemon of slaanesh then?
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>>34938947
Well you WERE trying to avoid a fetish-quest at first, but now that you've written in a feitshy antagonist, you're having trouble thinking of things she could do other than just screwing everything that moves into submission.

And to be honest, you're not all that keen on running a necrophilia quest. Even if it would be insanely popular.

Maybe the futanari thing could be relatively incidental though? Like, maybe her primary threat as an antagonist could be based around something OTHER then her unusual genitals! Yeah, that sounds sane. Maybe you could make her a threat as a political opponent?

Or maybe it'd be easier to just pick something else...

>RUNOFF VOTING:
>Make FutaGurl a charismatic political crusader
>Reconsider the Antagonist [re-vote for antagonist]
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>>34939189
>>>Make FutaGurl a charismatic political crusader
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>>34939189
>BOTH
We're an evil guy, here.
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>>34939189
>Make futagirl a charismatic political crusader
We're breaking boundaries here OP you can't stop us
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>>34939189

>Make FutaGurl a charismatic political crusader
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>>34939189
>Make FutaGurl a charismatic political crusader
You don't build your antagonist around the fact they're a guy or they're a girl, those are just physical descriptors.

Unlike the part where it states in >>34939113 that she's also physically akin to a god, and has an aptitude in magic which could rival our own if not stopped.
She's basically an elderitch abomination in the shape of a futanari than an actual futanari by this point.
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>>34939189
>>Make FutaGurl a charismatic political crusader
Specializing in closed door negotiations.
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>>34939257
This
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>>34939257
Seconding that, stop missing out on shit OP
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>>34939189
[x] Lose interest in the quest and begin masturbating over the concept.
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>>34939257
Fucking that, don't miss out the important shit
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>>34939257
Second, don't forget the part where she's unnaturally charismatic too.
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>>34939257
>>34939259
Sounds about right.
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>>34939257
Plot twist, she's actually a dullahan avatar of a god
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>>34939189 (You)
Your erection is in MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE imagining the futanari sexually conquering courts in order to oppose the lich. You lose interest in the quest and fap it out.
An hour later you find yourself in the same position you were in the beginning. Bored, nothing to do, craving a quest thread, and trying not to think about how much you hate your life.

Thankfully now that your libido is more in check though, you're able to think of additional options for the character. She should be an absurdly charismatic woman! Who cares about what set of genitals she has?

"When [AN EMPIRE FALLS IN A DAY], [A SUICIDAL LICH] [BUILDS A NECROPOLIS EMPIRE]. But will [THE LICH] succeed when [ABSURDLY CHARISMATIC FUTANARI] [UNITES THE WORLD AGAINST HIM]?"

You press the 'Generate Story' button and wait...
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>>34939399
45 minutes later, your very own quest thread is up and running. Just as expected, people are eating it up! The first thread and there's already more posts than you can handle. People love the idea of a suicidal lich, and while you haven't introduced the antagonist yet, you're pretty sure your quest will explode when you do.

But there's a problem.

Somebody just accused someone else of samefagging, and now the entire thread is derailed while people argue! What do you do?

>Try to ignore it and tell people to get back on track
>Implement a StrawPoll to be as fair as possible
>Choose sides and show favoritism, it's your thread
>Throw a shitfit and drop the thread like it's hot
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>>34939498
Don't say anything, let the thread continue in peace.
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>>34939498

>Implement a StrawPoll to be as fair as possible
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>>34939275
This isn't QTG, anon.
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>>34939498
Strawpoll is easier to samefag, and there's really no way to detect a samefag without being a mod/janny, so >>34939528
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>>34939498
>>Choose sides and show favoritism, it's your thread
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>>34939498
Stop the action, ask people on both sides what they're looking for and try to find a compromise.
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>>34939498
>Try to ignore it and tell people to get back on track
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>>34939528
This.

Or
>>34939498
>Run it on akun instead
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>>34939498
>Railroad
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You ignore it and plow ahead, but you lose some players for not dealing with "blatant faggotry". You suspect they're not really gone though, because people are still arguing.

One person seriously suggests you try running on another site with names, and a codified voting system. But that site has like, less than a quarter the number of people on it and it's buggy as shit, so you call him a retard.

The quest proceeds for several more threads, they've got a nice little necropolis themed empire going. There are aspirations of making a computer out of skeletons on a demiplane, but you think that might be pretty far-fetched for the power level of the game.

Now you're about to introduce the primary antagonist. But before you can, the most hated person on the board shows up and starts playing. Id.
His very presence is distracting from your glorious writing as people tell him to shut up and get out, or at least to take off his name. He refuses, and someone points out to you that he's actually shit-talking you and your thread as 'generic' and 'formulaic' in the QTG!

I mean, it's true, but it's not like he should know that!

How do you respond to Id?
>Report and filter all his posts
>Call him names
>Make an overly-long and wordy post about how he just has sour grapes because his quests suck and have no people in them
>Try to help Id be a better person and writer
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>>34939853
Post that we're filtering all his posts away, then filter all his posts away. If he wants to participate, he can do it as anon. Otherwise, he can fuck off.
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>>34939853
just ignore him
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>>34939853
>>Try to help Id be a better person and writer
is just suicide
so do
>>Make an overly-long and wordy post about how he just has sour grapes because his quests suck and have no people in them
instead
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>>34939853
>Filter his faggot ass
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>>34939853
>Filter and move on
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>>34939853
>Report and filter all his posts
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>>34939853

>Report and filter all his posts
>Encourage followers to do the same.
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>>34939853

>Id
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>>34939935
I don't get it
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>>34939946

He's making fun of EGO.
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>>34939946
There is a QM whose name is EGO and who it is common practice to make fun of even though he's really not that bad.
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>>34939853
>"Dude, who cares what that faggot thinks. Long as he has his name up I know he's not samefagging. Other than that, I don't particularly care."
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>>34939972
His writing might be okay, but his plots are shit and his manner is horrible and he obstinately refuses to improve.

Trust me, I've written him huge posts on how to not suck as hard as he does, and he reads them, then ignores the advice, and then goes back to posting shitty quests with no ending.
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>>34938522
>QM expresses opinion on what he'd prefer to run
>RAILROADING FAGGOT!

QMs and GMs are people too.
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>>34939972
>Ego
>Not that bad
>Shiggydiggy

>>34939853
You decide to report and filter all his posts and generally try to ignore him. Eventually the fact that he's not getting fed attention means he fucks off back to his own stillborn quest threads.
You had to postpone the introduction of your FutaAntagonist a little bit though. Your players know that there's some kind of major political machinations working against them, but not who's doing it. They finally decide to build a specialized undead assassin to send after whoever it is. They spend threads planning out how the assassin works, but they unwittingly leave it a fatal flaw. It's corporeal, and it has a butt.

Of course, the thread thusfar hasn't had any hint of sexualization. The most obvious way to have your Futanari Antagonist overcome the assassin is to screw it into submission. But you're afraid the sudden tonal shift might scare off some of your players, and get you accused of Magical Realm shenanigans.

How do you decide to handle the introduction of your antagonist?
>I had it planned from the beginning that she has huge T&A&C, she fucks it into submission. I'm not letting my players divert my amazing story!
>I'd rather not potentially alienate my entire playerbase. I'll try to contrive some other way for her to deal with the assassin and hope they don't accuse me of complete bullshit.
>Fuggit, she dies. We're really far off track by now anyway.
>CUSTOM
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>>34940156
She rapes it to death or whatever, but just imply that's what's happened, rather than stating so outright.
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>>34940156

>I'd rather not potentially alienate my entire playerbase. I'll try to contrive some other way for her to deal with the assassin and hope they don't accuse me of complete bullshit.

Mainly because I don't think being raped is going to stop this assassin. Come on, give the player base more credit.
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>>34940156
See: >>34939113
Stronk futa smash
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>>34940156
The assassin stops reporting back, and divination stops working.

The players don't have to KNOW she's a futa.
It can just be heavily implied, until the climactic scene.
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>>34940156

>I'd rather not potentially alienate my entire playerbase. I'll try to contrive some other way for her to deal with the assassin and hope they don't accuse me of complete bullshit.

It's Undead. Unless she knows Necromancy herself, there's no way that she's going to be able to make it submit.

Just have her destroy it with Holy Magic. It's easier.
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>>34940156
>I had it planned from the beginning that she has huge T&A&C, she fucks it into submission. I'm not letting my players divert my amazing story!
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>>34940156
Let the assassin be somewhat successful before being defeated, so that the threads of planning don't go to waste. But don't kill her, of course. Just set her back or scare off some of her support or something.
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>>34940156
>>34940273
This.
Let your players fear the unknown.
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>>34940156
Clearly the assassin gets diplomanced and now works for the antagonist.

Buttfuckings implied.
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>>34940156
She probably is prepared for this, having become a cleric of some rather...open-minded god or another.
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>>34940156

>I'd rather not potentially alienate my entire playerbase. I'll try to contrive some other way for her to deal with the assassin and hope they don't accuse me of complete bullshit.

Unless she can Necromance with her dick, I don't see how it's going to work.

Just have her be mildly injured and set her back a bit in planning.
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>>34940259
This.
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>>34940156
Even better, let her support be proclaiming her as a 'Beautiful Maiden Sent by the Gods Themselves'. Her backing is largely religious at its core, and her futa-ness is actually something she tries hard to hide, since it's a sign of her demonic parentage. Regardless of her benign motives, if her parentage were to come to light through the revelation of her gender, it'd destroy any claim she has. Her supporters would kill her themselves.

The weakness is in place. It's now a game of espionage, theocracy, and raw coinage.
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>>34940389
>I like this.

>>34940156
You decide it doesn't make much sense for her to be able to fuck the assassin into submission. Not unless her dick is enchanted with necromancy, which it's not. Yet.

Instead she uses her strength to hold it off long enough to capture it, and then cuts off its communication with the Lich and attempts to reason with it. It's smart enough, and eventually agrees to help the Futa.

The players are upset until you point out that they'd know if their assassin had been destroyed. Their sendings to it would fizzle. Instead they're being received, just not responded to.
That seems to mollify them somewhat, and their curiosity gets the better of them. Their paranoia is driven into overdrive and they start focusing on building additional fortifications.
Actually they're getting a little TOO into building fortifications. They're making maps and shit, and asking for mechanical bonuses on things so granular you're not sure what would be a fair way to represent them having all that shit. Certainly not everything they're asking for, they'd immediately become absurdly overpowered. Then you'd have to do things like break out spreadsheets, and then this would basically be you doing graphs and crunching numbers all day erry day.

How do you handle this situation?
>Make them do all the work. They can have their super-fortress if they're willing to crunch numbers all day erry day. You'll just subvert it all with narrative.
>Tell them to reign it in because you don't want to do all that fuckin' work.
>Deny them outright and give them a structured list of upgrades to choose from and a limited number of points to do it with.
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>>34940512
>Deny them outright and give them a structured list of upgrades to choose from and a limited number of points to do it with.

Hell if we're turning this into AI Quest.
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>>34940512
Give them reports of the antagonist's growing political power, make note that if the world is united in cause against them, that they'll never be able to fully protect from it without another 1000 years of forts
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>>34940512

>Deny them outright and give them a structured list of upgrades to choose from and a limited number of points to do it with.
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>>34940512
>Make them do all the work. They can have their super-fortress if they're willing to crunch numbers all day erry day. You'll just subvert it all with narrative.
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>>34940543
Seconding that
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>>34940512
>>Tell them to reign it in because you don't want to do all that fuckin' work.
Communication communication communication.
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>>34940512
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>>34940512
>"Guys, we're running a politics quest. I'll handle it all in narrative, and it will be as effective as I say it is...."

"That said, maps are helpful as reference, so thanks."

To oblige them, spend a few days coming up with an 'upgrade tree' that they can do on the fortress. Have x money and x resources come in every day, and at the end of every thread they can decide how to spend it. Keep a map open in Paint and add things in crudely as they come. Make it semi-complex, but don't add any actual numbers to shit or else they'll try to exploit it.

As a test-run to show them what they're buying, have there be...a band of demons, seeking to return those souls the players have subjugated to hell. There are mages, archers, warriors, and rogues, as well as various specialized units for the various defences they've bought. Make a second copy of the map, show what's been taken and where, but make it fairly easy to fend them off.
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>>34940654
This
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>>34940733
Okay
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>>34940512
Your first instinct is to deny them outright and run it structured as shit.

But, you players ARE trying to show you what they want in their own way. Even if you can't give them everything, maybe you can at least kinda steer the game in that direction.

So you spend a few days coming up with your 'upgrade tree' for the fortress, but you keep the numbers out of it as much as possible so they can't exploit it like the powergaming fucks they are.
You use their maps and start editing it crudely in MS Paint. They then update it in photoshop for you so it looks nice.

You have a band of demons invade as a sort of test run. You make them look more imposing than they really are, but you do make them varied in terms of strengths and specializations. They can attempt every approach, and you update their map with how they've taken over and where.

It all goes swimmingly, and your players still on the high of their excitement declare your quest the best of all time. Everyone else calls them and you a faggot. You try not to let your head get too big, lest you turn into Id.
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>>34941003
You're on your 24th thread now, and you think you're ready for the first big invasion from the outside world. The Futa Antagonist leads from the rear with the other nobles, and your players discover her for the first time. When you mention she has their precious assassin on a leash, they lose their minds and start gnashing their teeth.

The way you have it set up, it's going to end in a bit of a stalemate. Both sides will be devastated, and the Futa Antagonist will have to retreat and build up again. But your players will have a lot of new resources to pick through from the battle, what with all the corpses and armor.

As always though, there's a hitch. One of your players has noticed some glaring flaw they can exploit that would allow them to trounce the enemy army while taking few if any losses. What do?
>Let them take the exploit and come out on top, ruining your plans for the next several threads.
>Save them from themselves and prevent them from using the exploit. It'll be more fun overall that way. Sure it's railroady, but it's not like it'll make the game worse.
>Let them do the exploit, but contrive some way it results in only partial success.
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>>34941033

>Let them do the exploit, but contrive some way it results in only partial success.

Don't punish intelligence, but don't let it drive everything into the ground.
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>>34941033
>Let them take the exploit and come out on top, ruining your plans for the next several threads.
Replace plans with our antagonist rallying the world at an accelerated rate, her political power increasing dramatically
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>>34941033
>>Let them do the exploit, but contrive some way it results in only partial success.
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>>34941033
>Let them take the exploit and come out on top, ruining your plans for the next several threads.
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>>34941033

>Let them do the exploit, but contrive some way it results in only partial success.

Don't stifle player ingenuity and it lets you be creative yourself.
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>>34941067
>>34941063
This
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You let them take the exploit, but contrive a way that it ultimately fails. Most of your players seem content with that at first, but one of them throws a multi-post shitfit that gains momentum among the other players.
The poster in particular accuses you of not sticking to your guns, and that if you didn't want it to work you should've just disallowed it in the first place.
You try to calmly and eloquently explain that you're just trying to give a consolation for doing something clever you didn't foresee. But grognardian sperglords gonna sperg, and you're pretty sure you lost a couple players. Was it really a loss though? You're not sure. Most of your other players seem happy with the decision, but you notice they're not really hopping to your defense either.

The rest of the battle plays out, and other than that one hitch it more or less goes according to plan. They spend another 16 threads rebuilding and gaining allies. They're playing much more of an economic game now, and while the micro-managed fortress building still exists, it's much more in the background. Now it's more about politics, which is great for you. That script you use keeps shitting out pure gold.
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>>34941314

Now that you've done this much though, you're starting to get fatigued, and you're thinking of quitting. Your life is sucking less and you actually have an opportunity to get a real job. Not to mention this whole Quest Thread thing is way more creatively draining than you thought it would be when you started it. And you can't help but think you'd have more time to actually play in quest threads if you weren't so busy running one.

You announce to your players that you're thinking of taking a hiatus. Most are understanding, but they also beg you to keep going and to not let the thread die off like so many others, because it's just so fucking great.

You know it's not great though. It's fun, sure. Entertaining. But you've been writing it with a fucking script. The knowledge that you're a sham eats at you more than a little. It's painful, but...maybe you should just tell them that you don't really intend to run anymore?

>Suck it up and keep running, even at the cost of your real life. Go full hikkikomori until your parents cut you off.
>Lie to them and say you're just taking a week or two off, then never come back. You'll always have the archives.
>Tell them the truth that you've decided not to run anymore and take the hate.
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>>34941332
>Tell them the truth that you've decided not to run anymore and take the hate.
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>>34941332
>Tell them the truth that you've decided not to run anymore and take the hate.
Run one last thread that wraps the quest up.
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>>34941332
Give them a choice.
Very irregular running, a time skip towards the ending, or stop running entirely.
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>>34941365
This
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>>34941368
This. We can still run it, but maybe as more of a hobby thing.

Make a point that, whatever they choose, running this and having such a cool playerbase helped us through some shit, and we're thankful.
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>>34941368
This. Very this.
Explain that you're getting a real job, but you'll still run when you have the time.
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>>34941332
>>34941368
Seems the better choice. No need to take the extreme paths.
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>>34941332
>>Lie to them and say you're just taking a week or two off, then never come back. You'll always have the archives.
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>>34941332
You tell your players you've got a job offer and a chance at a real life, and give them a choice between irregular and sporadic running when you've got the time for it, time skipping to the ending, or ending completely.

They of course go for the irregular and sporadic running, wanting to wring as much story out of you as possible and naively believing that maybe you'll actually finish one day.

With no hard schedule to adhere to, no obligation to keep running, and dwindling interest in the quest due to the playerbase being unable to show up at your irregular times, the quest suffers greatly. One day you run a thread and get only two contentious players who show up. You cancel the thread.

Then you cancel the next one as well, and the one after that. The quest is dead, not with a bang but a whimper. Nobody even bothered to archive the last few.

===QUEST END===

Questions? Comments? General accusations of faggotry?
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>>34941572
A good look into how quests are run. 7/10
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>>34941572

You're a faggot of course.

But not as bad a faggot as expected.

Still a pretty massive faggot.
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>>34941572
You drive me to tears, you've emulated the story of a quest very well.
Was there a good ending?
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>>34941572
You're a faggot.
But the quest was pretty cool
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>>34941368
You fool, you've doomed us all.
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>>34941614
OP's a massive faggot; there never was a good ending.
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>>34941614
Well, it didn't end.
That's the issue.
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>>34941614
Potentially, yeah.

If you'd gone full Hikki you would've completed the quest thread, died for it, and gotten a bittersweet end.

If you'd ran a more focused game overall, there would've been a better chance of it ending well. And if you'd run something other than an Empire Builder that focused on more personal and narrative aspects of the game, it would've had a very good chance of ending well as you can end one of those games at pretty much any time.
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>>34941771
See? I fucking knew it, empire builders 0/10. I bet our futa self-insert antag didn't even get revealed as a futa
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>>34941793
Futa antag wasn't self-insert. She did get revealed as a futa though. There was a spin-off quest on /d/ about it.
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>>34941826
Pfft...How did that quest work out?
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>>34941853
It died one thread in, like all /d/ quests.
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>>34941853
It got about a quarter the number of threads the real quest did, completely abandoned any pretense at empire building, and hardly ever mentioned the suicidal lich at all. It was pretty much just the futa-antag running around buttfucking, mind controlling, collaring, and physically transforming various political leaders.

The author of that one then tried to include infantalism and diapers, but too many of the core player base wasn't into that and ditched it. The infantalism players didn't care much for the other aspects of the quest though, and the runner was unwilling to drop anything for the sake of keeping players. It ultimately died off as a result.
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>>34941932
I find it surprising that we had that quest running, but our irregular running a suddenly didn't have any players...
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>>34941976
The two threads weren't run by the same people. The /d/ quest was run by someone else entirely.
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>>34941976
It would have been better to do a hiatus.
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>>34941996
I know, but the fanbase must have been attracted to the /d/ quest a little bit, even the QM of it must have thought about posting in the original one.
Oh and...this reminds me of Chapter Master quest, which still has a solid 5 players every thread, despite it having threads maybe 6 months apart
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>>34942021
It might've been. I would've called for a dice roll to determine whether or not the quest would be workable with your new work schedule, and partially dependent on how willing you were to cave in to seemingly reasonable player demand on the quest at that point.
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>>34942057
About half of them were. Half of them were anti-fetish quest.

If you'd played up the futanari bit more instead of playing it down, you would've had your quest spammed both by people demanding you shut your quest down and by people trolling. You would've had to deal with your archives getting fucked with too.
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>>34942148
So making her futa status a political drawback (via demon heritage) on her part was a good idea?
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>>34942234
Very. That and choosing to not have her attempt to fuck the assassin into submission. That choice was a trap.
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>>34942264
How did they feel about her being futa anyway?
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>>34942380
They weren't thrilled, and it did attract some weeaboos. There were some vague plans to sexually dominate her that would've failed hard, but they were shot down. Overall the weeaboos quietly left when they realized they weren't gonna get to waifu the antagonist and the grongards let it go as a setting detail.
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>>34942443
How did the futa charisma it's way across the world anyway?
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>>34942514
Mostly good looks, some cunning, and for most everyone else the first two didn't work on, she either raped them or snuck her mind-altering jizz into their food/drink.
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>>34942586
I take it that part wasn't mentioned?
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>>34942586
Did we ever admit this was originally meant to be a fetish quest, but by the time the antagonist appeared we just couldn't let it go that route in good faith?
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>>34942658
Over a year later in the QTG.

>>34942638
The players knew she had some kind of natural mind control, and some of them correctly speculated that it was her cum, but most people derided that as dumb fetish crap. Made you less inclined to actually reveal it.
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>>34942697
>QTG

Oh god, how did THAT go over?
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>>34942764
Didn't believe it until you put the trip on. Then they accused you of cracking the trip. It became a bit of a conspiracy theory as to whether or not it was true.
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>>34942786
We should totally run a sequel set after this game where the Antagonist won
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>>34942786
Good ol' QTG.
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>>34942815
You're welcome to run a thread about that, but I don't think I will.
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>>34942887
No no, i am just gonna go on QTG and beg/threaten or otherwise being a huge faggot trying to make someone else to do it
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>>34942887
How did QM feel about the quest dying like that, did he ever try to revive it?
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>>34944011
He was mildly disappointed, and he missed some of the positive attention it got him. But by that time he had other things making him happy. His job was actually fulfilling, and he was achieving things in real life rather than achieving fictitious things vicariously.
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>>34944243
What a fucking loser
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>>34944254
I know, right? He was so close to being a wizard too.



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