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>>35780480
So, as requested, im gonna do a sidestory look at Mako's past (and Ami and Mai's) before they meet Eldric

This one wont be as funny or cute in the least. After all is grownups sending a little kid off to get killed.

what do the Refresh and Haste status buffs give?

They're only mentioned in the bard nameless song, but are there other ways to cause those effects?

>>35780598

No soft and fluffy watching a young shy, somewhat insecure girl being sent 1/2 a world away.

With guards who are extremely loyal but not extremely trained and are a bit naive themselves.

>>35780598
wha? why does it have to be in the past!? Gimme a minute gonna get some wings so I can focus.

>>35780654
we finding out why they exiled her

>>35780679
We know why they exiled her - two crown princesses was one too many.

>>35780679
I know. That's why I plan to get some caffine

>>35780701
not really one was still born first no matter if they are twins some other bullshit is afoot

>>35780480
You've said that we can expand spellcasting by practicing it. Can we expand physical abilities by practicing them as well?

>>35780598
could we magic up a jet like thrusters for sky bike? (after we look at the sky ship plans, because lancers on magic bikes are bad ass)

thinking wing magic intake in the front. hybridized fire/wind out the back

feather fall/parachutes

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>>35780632
>what do the Refresh and Haste status buffs give?
refresh is like regen, but for mana. You heal 10% your max mana per round
haste gives you +30 Mv Spd


>>35780598

Life was pretty simple in the Maho temple, up in the Dragonback mountains.

The twins were used to training around the clock. They were allowed to rest for as long as a candle burns, 4 times a day.

These candles burnt quite fast. Indeed. This was life for all the would be shadows in the Heavenly court. Concepts such as day and night had a different meaning for them. It was either light, or it was dark, and that was it.

Night was not a period of rest, it was whatever their teachers said it was. Warfare and combat, stealth, exercise, all of these happened around the clock.

In order to let their bodies develop, they were allowed to spend some of those cycles lying down, sometimes, but not sleeping. They could be attacked at any time by their instructors, and many young would-be-shadows had deep scars from those attacks.

No, they did not sleep. They were alert and vigilant, ever watchful of their surroundings during those times.

Ami and Mai had never met. They grew up together, they trained together, they fought together, but always wearing the shadow's masks. Every shadow was alike, every shadow was the same.

They were wearing their masks when they were told about being sent to the capital, and they were wearing their masks when they arrived there.

For as long as they had memories, they had worn those masks, or others like them. Their instructors had, as well.

1/?

>>35780815

Well, If we have the right materials, a simple magic jet engine might be possible, if we mix fire + wind magic.

If we understood the mechanics, and getting the design right would take a while.

We could make floatstone based hover-bikes if we wanted eventually.

>>35780900
again people forget we have a golden dragon mount

>>35780900
I want something that moves fast and can fly high so it can dive down a few light gun

cannons>>35780929
O yea how do we beef him up? can we get him Armour?

we really need to practice flying with him

>>35780929

Yes.

I forget about it on and off. I propose we instead take that magic resistant carriage we have stored

Get Okaba's help to make it floating using the float stone tech.

Now we have a great flying carriage that can be drawn by our mount.

>>35780929
he is so cool and we never hang out with him :(

>>35780929
Yes, but not everyone does. You can't mass produce dragons, but you can mass produce hoverbikes. Rule the sky, win the war.

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>>35781000
We're scared his swag is stronger than ours.

>>35781000
>>35780957
>>35780929
i propose we go out flying next non omake thread he is boss looking >>35781017

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>>35780791
such what do you have in mind?

>>35780836
The wagon's driver surprised them when he removed his mask.

They were well away from Maho temple when they saw a human face for the first time. It was a hard face with a large scar crossing it diagonally from right to left. It looked as if someone had sculpted a face on stone, and was not specially different from a mask.

Before then, everyone had been the same. Everyone wearing the smooth, featureless black mask of a shadow.

"Remove your masks, and hide them. We will enter the commoners lands, soon, and after that, the imperial palace. The peasants much not know shadows are real, and you are not allowed to hide your face from the imperial family."

Then, and only then, did they recognize one of their teachers. It was a voice they had heard countless times.

They removed their masks while kneeling, and hit it among their clothes.

"Good."

That was the last thing he said to them, and they knew better than to talk uninvited.

As they approached the farmlands, their nerves were standing on edge. Less of the familiar mountain sounds, more new, unknown sounds. Unknown means danger. This lesson had been imprinted on them in a thousand different ways.

Seeing a peasant woman, out walking with a bag of rice, was a shock. Her face was different from the face of their fellow shadow. It was different from their teacher's face.

It was the 3rd face they ever saw, and was thus imprinted in their memory.

At the time, "gender" was an alien concept for them

2/?

>>35781068
>such what do you have in mind?
The wind roar trick from several threads back comes to mind.

A trick that lets us use shields with ambidexterity. Some way to treat 1h weapons as 2h weapons.

Actually, about that, magic items resize themselves, right? Could we turn our sword into a 2hander?

>>35774502
>They love each other
>Completely different tastes when in comes to love
>She is into S/D, wants to be his slave, fetishizes the slavery system and wants him to dominate her
>He doesn't want to "take advantage" of a slave and wants to free her and marry her
its such a tragic, sad tale.

I really hope we can help them one day. like, tell them to stop beating around the bush and talk to each other
or act as a translator

Hmmm Guys? I've been thinking about our summons. When we're fighting people and not mobs, we shouldn't let people see naked Lyann and make them (allies and foes) think we're a pervert. I suggest something like Praetorian Guards from Total War Rome II. Those guys look awesome.

>>35781194

I am up for a different customization. We have one that looks like a future Mako. One that looks like a future Lyann. Maybe have some that are classic full plate mounted knights, if it needed?

It would only really take a day or so I think.

>>35781194
she is a dvine dancer (cant remember the actual name) they dont think like that they think she is just wearing a uniform

>>35781297
Could make a few with the twins in different outfits.

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>>35780992
>float stone
Rock-It, please remember its called Rock-It tech

>>35781068
They had a small breakdown when they entered the city. A thousand new faces, and countless sounds. They hid in the wagon's straw and kept hidden until their teacher ordered them out.

They were in a grand stone yard. It was quite soothing. The tall stone walls and quiet buildings reminded them of home, and calmed their broken nerves.

"You will be Ami" ~he said to one~ "You will be Mai" ~he said to the other~ "Know that inside that building" ~he pointed behind him, at a large temple of ebony and gold~ "Is the person you will watch"

""Yes, teacher"" ~they said at once~

"As shadows, you do not exist. Since you do not exist, you are faultless. Steal whatever you need, kill whomever you want. You exist to obey and protect the person inside that building. Is this clear"
""Yes, teacher""
"Good bye"

Their teacher left them alone, and their world was down to two, and one more, whom they had yet to meet.

They entered the building and found a sleeping child.
The youngest of the imperial princesses, aged 4.

The little princess life was different from theirs, yet not too different.

She had instructors, and little else. The instructors wore bright clothes and such heavy makeup as to be masks. There was very little do tell one from the other.

While standing guard around the imperial princess, they saw a mirror for the first time. It surprised them, but was quickly ignored.

Their own face was the face of the shadow next to them. To them, this made perfect sense.

3/?

>>35781314
>Rock-It, please remember its called Rock-It tech

Granted, I guess Eldric may want to introduce Rock-it Hoverboards if people really want it. Perfect for the super fortress when it is built however.

Or just as likely once it is made, the enemy may decide to make them.

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>>35781124
theres monkey grip, and yes i need to write down windroar

And not.... yet

I had planned that the lady would unlock new features on your family sword when you turn 15 and visit her again

>>35781314

They had no need tor mirrors after that. Even later, when they saw the tutors and servants brushing and caring for the princess' hair, washing her face, they simply did the same for eachother's face, for eachother's hair. It was easy and natural.

Sometimes, the princess would go out of the building. This was a nerve-wrecking time for the shadows! so much open space!

The princess would meet and play with another princess. That princess had the same face. This, of course, was simply obvious.

The math tutor had its own face, the language tutor had its own face, their former teacher had had its own face, the singing tutor had her own face. They, the shadows, had their ownface. It was the shadow's face. OBVIOUSLY, the princesses would have their own face, and it would be the same face for both princesses.

This was as expected as sunset and sunrise.

What did confuse them, however, were these... activities the princesses engaged in, together. They did this strange, high pitched sound... it was rythmical and not unpleasant. It was not crying... it seemed to be a good thing.

Sometimes, the Minister of the Right would show up, and bring a "toy" to the princess. A toy is something you "play" with. "Play" its a princess-only activity.

This much was obvious.

The minister, too, had its own face.

4/?

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>>35781528

The shadows took turns watching over the princess, took turns eating, washing, sleeping. The princess was never alone, yet she did not see the shadows.

They existed for the princess' benefit. They existed to protect the princess.

One day, something new happened. The 1st Imperial princess died. This was not these shadow's princess, so they did not care.

Then, the 2nd imperial princess died. Again, this was not their princess, so they did not care.

Once day, the Celestial Empress herself showed up. The shadows had seen many different people now. Everyone in the alace was beautiful, everyone was well dressed.

Still, the Celectial Empress was beautiful. She was more beautiful than anyone else. However, she was the Celestial Empress. She was the favorite of the gods, sent to rule everything under Heaven. Of course, she should be beautiful.

This was what the shadows decided.

Her voice was like a singing bird's, and her words were song. She greeted the princess and examined her.

The little princess had been well taught. She properly greeted her mother, and bowed respectfully. She was a very well behaved child, albeit she did not know this, nor did the shadows. Discipline and training was their world, after all.

"Mako, do you enjoy being a princess?"
"Yes, mother" ~the child answered with a smile, and the empress nodded approvingly
"Would you like to be an empress, or would you like to remain a princess?"

Then, the empress hugged the princess, and heard her words in a quiet whisper.

When they were done talking, the empress called forth the shadows.

5/?

>>35781528
computers or magic constructs ?


how hard would cameras be to make?
would be a great spy tool.

>>35781781
for that matter film we can make movies we can be a star!

>>35781528
So we can use shields with ambidexterity already?

>>35781994
we already have an "action" figure

>>35781994
Magic makes special effects a breeze too. The humans are good at directing things right? Man, imagine, fantasy Hollywood, TV series, maybe even cartoons and anime if there are a ton of artists out there. That'd be great.

>>35781997

I wonder, if we spike a shield or a bladed shield could we get both ambi and the benefits of a shield at the same time?

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>>35781781
cameras arent that hard to make once you know the basics of it

>>35781764

As they ahd been trained to do, they obeyed.

"What are your names?" ~the empress asked the kneeling shadows.
""Ami and Mai""
"Which one is Ami?"
"..." ~it had been a couple of years, and they had forgotten
"Mako"
"Y-yes mother?"
"These are your shadows. Which one looks like an Ami, and which one looks like a Mai?"

The tiny princess looked at them, and then did something the shadows had only see her do with the other princess. She gently hugged one of them.

Her hands were very soft, and very warm as they gently pressed on a shadow's head.

"This is Ami." ~she said. "She's the strongest!"
"Really?" ~said the empress~ "is the other shadow weak, then?"
"Nu uh. This is Mai!" ~she said, also placing her hands on the shadow's head~ "She's the prettiest!"
"I see. Mako, you know that Ami and Mai are always with you, right?"
"Yes, mother"
"Even if I cannot be next to you at all times. I wish I could be. Therefore, I want you to think of them as your mother. Both of them, understand?"
"Yes, mother"
"Good child. Ami, Mai. I know that you are young, and I know this is strange to you, but I want you to think of Mako as your daughter. Do you understand?"
""Yes, my empress""

A few days later, the empress passed away.

The palace was in turmoil. The minister of the Left, and the Minister of the Right. All the servants and the instructors, everyone was carefully watching over their shoulders.

The little princesses did not understand. They played together, and waited for their mother to come visit again.

7/?

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>>35782092
gods willing

>>35782117
right in the feels

>>35782117
if we got magic space ships how much damage would a mentor drop do?

>>35781764
>One day, something new happened. The 1st Imperial princess died. This was not these shadow's princess, so they did not care.
>Then, the 2nd imperial princess died. Again, this was not their princess, so they did not care.

I wonder if Mako ever interacted with her older sisters, or older brothers if she had any.

>>35782117
>A few days later, the empress passed away.

Sounds like a coup, they wanted a young easily manipulated girl as empress. Or some brother or cousin planned to marry the youngest sister and run the empire instead.

Looks like a future plot point.

>>35782331

50+ strength. The gods do not understand gravity and advanced math. Would just convert it to the base weapon damage for a thrown weapon.

They need to be taught calculus and theory of gravity first.

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>>35781997
I dont remember, do we have ambidexterity yet?

>>35782117
One night, the pricness asked to the darkness
"When is mother coming again?"
"The empress will not come again, my princess"~answered the darkness with a gentle tone, from somewhere to her right
"She has gone unto the wheel of rebirth, my princess." ~said the darkness from her left

"Will I see mother again?" ~asked the princess
""You can summon us at any time."" ~came the voice from her left and right
"Can you sleep with me?"

"Of course..." ~started one
"...my princess" ~finished the other

The shadows appeared from the darkness, and laid down with the princess until she fell asleep and shortly before her servants came in the morning.

Strange things were happening in the palace. The minister of the right died, and there was a new minister of the right. This one had a different face.

This was deeply troubling for the shadows.

And still, the princesses continued to meet and play together in the evening.

The shadows learnt that the sound they liked so much was called "laugh". The princesses had a lovely laugh.

The new minister of the right seized power. He announced his betrothal to the oldest of the remaining imperial princesses.

The final princess was sent away, in a "learning trip into the colonies". Normally, a imperial princess would go with an escort of a hundred elite troops at any time she left the castle.

But princess Mako was alone. A princess shadows are as part of her body, and they were not counted.

8/?

>>35782414
>I dont remember, do we have ambidexterity yet?

We haven't done tricks from levelup yet. But we'd have an additional 15 melee tricks, so I assume we have everything.

>>35782414

so when do we put the princess back on the throne?

>>35782395
so first we gotta

teach like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-5eB1pVeAo


before we can school like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry542M

>>35782474
After we kill her sister, who is higher up in the inheritance order.

>>35782414
i get the feeling we are gonna meet the "regent" when we take over and he is gonna be a fucking blowhard
and can see eldric yelling at him when we are about to kill him if the gods favored you then they wouldn't have created me

>>35782474
>>35782486

Why? Mako and her older sister both love each other deeply. The new Minister of the Right who likely engineered the coup is the one to blame.

If we ever touch that plot point we may have to save her sister, free her from her marriage and restore her true power as Empress. Besides if Mako is Empress she can't spend time with us.

>>35782610
thank you getting that point across

>>35782486

if we save her from the minister

she might step down

or at least more gold and magic items we've ever seen

>>35782610
Well, unless we marry Mako. Which we're of course going to do.

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>>35782559
Now you got me thinking about the soldier. "If God had wanted you to live he would not have created ME!"

>>35782713
thats what i wanted to get across

>>35782691
before we save her he has shaved her head and lets just say there have been plenty of tears.

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>>35782395
this made me laugh, but its correct

>>35782414
It was a terrifying experience. First, the princess was in a pagoda, then she was in a barbarian's ship.

She had her own cabin, but noone explained anything to her. There was no schedule, no instructors, no servants. She was lost and confused.

The sailors and passengers all thought she was cute. The shadows agreed. Their princess was very cute. Cute things are those who are like their princess. That is what they decided.

They did their best to keep her company, but it was a strange place, full of strange people. Before any of them knew it, they were in the colonies. A man welcomed them in the docks, and took them to a carriage.

The little princess did her best to keep up, walking on her tall geta as quickly as she dared. Then she was in the carriage, and soon she was at school.

It was terrifying. For a entire year, she stayed in her room, looking out the window from time to time, growing more and more timid with each passing day.

Her shadows did their best to learn the language, and then did their best to teach it to heir princess.

But they could not get her out of her room.
While looking at the garden through her window, she saw two dwarven children playing with a board and little toys.

They seemed to be having fun.

"What is that?" ~asked the little princess, softer than anyone but her shadows would hear
""We will find out"" ~they answered

A few hours later, she met a boy around her age, who had supossedly invented this game.

**Mako, Ami and Mai's Okake End**

>>35782784

huh

no wonder they like us

>>35782713
we r going to need a fuck tone of Charisma to convince people of all this political stuff we want to do, I say that's were we dump all bonus points.
talking to people is best super power !

also could we get more of these omakes if we unlock profit? or Kwisatz Haderach

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>>35782559
>blowhard
as you may know, i dont speak english as my 1st language. What does this mean?

>>35782885
Someone who talks a lot but has no abilities to back it up. See also: paper tiger.

>>35782885
boasts about them selves with nothing to back it up.

>>35782885
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PaperTiger

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>>35782875
>if we unlock profit
i laughed

Eh, if you guys want i can write short sidestories on anyone. Not tonight, tho, gotta get my eyedrops and go to bed. If the thread is still around tomorrow, I will. who do you want a story about?

btw Mako's sister is called Ren, which means "love"

anyway, night guys

>>35782784
>this made me laugh, but its correct

Explains how the world works. The gods don't understand how things would work in a physics based reality and do not have any math more advanced then basic arithmetic.

So stuff works under 'the dice and more importantly We(the gods) say so'

>>35782885
>as you may know, i dont speak english as my 1st language. What does this mean?

Someone loud, talkative and boastful.

>>35782911
>>35782923

They may come off as a paper tiger, but they can also be people who do have real power or ability, but if they were more subdued it would be easier to see.

>>35782965

Night, yeah if the thread sticks around, the backstory works good. Helps us understand the characters.

We really understood Aura earlier when we had trouble really placing her. Mai, Ami and Mako we understand her place in the world a bit more.

>>35782965
Zoe or Stella

>>35783004
They're 1 and 4 years old respectively. They don't have backstories.

>>35783063
ya but we can gain there view on eldric and his actions

>>35783078
>I wish I had never met him

>>35783004
>>35783063
>>35783078


Maybe we should get a back side story from Mom.

>>35783123
Sure.

>>35783123
that would be cool

>>35782965

what do we get from killing a dungeon heart?

>>35783361

We don't know. We never killed one or even examined it.

A lot of dungeons are actually needed for the city they are located in too. Killing those is not good

>>35783382
If we ever find a group of devadasi, though, we should pay up and make a standard dungeon or 3 and clear them, at the very least to give Lyann training and experiment with dungeon hearts.

>>35782965
What class of acessory would the lady's amulet be? I remember we rolled it had 4 slots, and it seems you had this for its abilities in the pdf:

The Lady's Whistle
This is actually a magical amulet. Blowing on it produces a clear and beautiful sound, but it does not have
any magical effects.
• Passive: You can breathe underwater
• Passive: You can walk on water

I figure we should be wearing that in our amulet slot.

>>35785348
Having super not drowning skills and walking on water are pretty handy abilities.

>>35782965
Does hybrid let you bypass your sphere level mana limits?

Like we're sphere level 10 now, so we can cast 100mp damage spells. Would a hybrid spell let us cast 200mp spells?

>>35783123
no, this is something that needs to come from her or dad's mouth. You need to maintain the parent-child perspective of how we know them.

....or you could ignore it completely.

>>35787344
Yeah, I think ignoring you completely is the correct course of action.

>>35781068
>such what do you have in mind?

Some way for melee or ranged skill to directly influence damage done, similar to how elemental and divine unlock more damage as they get higher.

We need some way to do a single, extremely high damage physical attack.

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>>35785732
>Does hybrid let you bypass your sphere level mana limits?
yes

>>35785732
>Like we're sphere level 10 now, so we can cast 100mp damage spells. Would a hybrid spell let us cast 200mp spells?
yes

>>35788528
anons have already calculated how to do about 1.4k on a single attack thanks to stealth, IIRC. For an attack that has no MP cost, I think thats really good, honestly

Also, good morning, Im gonna be working on the PDF. Let me know if/when you guys come around to talk

>>35789019
That wasn't a single attack, that was a flurry.
Highest damage with our stats for a single attack would be coming out of stealth for the x3 bonus and a cit for x2, so 2(3(50+64))=684 damage, that decreases at a rate of 60 per 10 armor. Against our current armor, it would do 90 damage.

It's sort of like the situation with okaba and his spell shotgun - high armor completely nullifies it.

We need some way to meaningfully hurt high armor targets with physical.

An example

Sword of light-As the first attack of any fight, you may target an enemy you have higher initiative than and strike for five* times your base damage + melee skill level.

So for us that would be 5(50+64+274)=1940 damage. We be able to do that once per fight.

If someone like dad used it, you'd get something like 5(35+25+110) = 850 damage. Which seems reasonable for a an old school badass.

*I'd actually say something like a 10 times multiplier would fit the thematics of sword of light more. Should add a vulnerability after use if implementing that, though.

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>>35789168
>decreases at a rate of 60 per 10 armor
uh? why? the armor works pretty straightforward-like. If you do 300 damage and armor is 60, you are doing 240 damage

>>35789168
>high armor targets with physical.
there's a weapon trick that lets you ignore armor the more armor a target has, tho.

>>35789168
>Sword of light-As the first attack of any fight, you may target an enemy you have higher initiative than and strike for five* times your base damage + melee skill level.
thats not specific vs targets with high armor, tho, thats against everyone

but i had been thinking that we need to add some 100+ weapon skill requirement tricks, yes

Totally unrelated, but i found this image and said to myself "sure why not, they're twins"

>>35789168
>>35789019
That sounds more like the classic "unsheath, everything dies" move.

So there should also be a variation that hits multiple people.

Quick Draw
As the first attack of any fight, you may target every enemy within X distance of you with an attack. All armor is treated as X(1/2 or 3/4) for this attack, and no tricks or abilities may be used for this ability.

This is based on Muramasa: Pandemonium of the Demon Blade.

and while I'm suggesting skills:
Rending Strikes(Requires Sword God Style)
Reduce the bonus of Sword God Style by X(50?) to add a -5 Armor penalty on the opponent.

Shatter Strike
Multiply your attack by your weapon's quality. Your weapon breaks after use.

>>35789330
>uh? why?
I thought armor was counted before modifiers. So a 99 armor target would reduce damage like 2(3(50+64-99)))

>armor piercing
Which is only really useful against heavy armor targets. even armor piercing x2, once we get bladedancer, will only lower armor from 99 to 79.

>thats not specific vs targets with high armor, tho, thats against everyone
It's a single, high damage attack versus building up damage from a lot of little hits. It's powerful versus everyone, but in particular it gives us the ability to hurt high armor targets where normal attacks would ping off.

>>35789330
Elemental and divine damage increase at a rate of 30 damage per 10 skill. 90 per 10 skill if you count magic bullet.

Having weapon damage increase at a rate of, say, 15 damage per 10 skill seems pretty reasonable.

>>35789577
Per mana spent, not per elemental point.

So a 20 mana spell could do 180 + int with the right spell tricks. Can do better in groups with blast + shape + cascade + link.

Need a lot of elemental to unlock those spell tricks however.

>>35789745
Element skill directly controls how much mana you can spend. 30 damage per 10 elemental skill is not wrong.

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>>35789355
>Reduce the bonus of Sword God Style by X(50?) to add a -5 Armor penalty on the opponent.

o.O? that wording its weird, wouldnt it be simpler to just deal +5 danage or just say you ignore 5 armor?

>>35789390
>I thought armor was counted before modifiers
no

first come damage reductions from cards and items, then comes armor and armor reduction is extremely simply

What you guys seem to ignore, is that extra armor pieces from heavier armors do way more than just add +10 to armor, they also can come with 3-6 enchantments and enhancements, and up to 6 extra card slots. More than the +10 to armor (and some armor parts have +armor as one of those enchantments), the advantage of having those extra armor parts is those enchantments

Sure, you get more class passives if you have just 3 armor parts, which is light

But if your armor parts give you, say, +200 to a stata, and you have 3, that is +600 to stats. While if you have 6 that is +1200.

By the same token, having a two handed weapon does more damage, which is good in the early game, but having a sword and shield, or two weapons, is better simply because it gives you more enchantment slots, and/or more attacks

>>35789390
>only really useful against heavy armor targets
Based on what I just saidm I dont really see why would someone NOT want to wear as many armor pieces and parts as they possibly could

>>35789577
>Having weapon damage increase at a rate of, say, 15 damage per 10 skill seems pretty reasonable.
alright, i could support that, maybe a simple "add 1/2 your weapon skill to damage with the proper weapon type"?

I had been wondering how to make weapon skill more relevant and how to raise damage, specially considering our huge amounts of HP

>>35789782
>What you guys seem to ignore, is that extra armor pieces from heavier armors do way more than just add +10 to armor, they also can come with 3-6 enchantments and enhancements, and up to 6 extra card slots. More than the +10 to armor (and some armor parts have +armor as one of those enchantments), the advantage of having those extra armor parts is those enchantments

This is in direct contravention of what you said earlier. You said the only armor that had slots was Head, chest, arms.

>>35789782
>"add 1/2 your weapon skill to damage with the proper weapon type"?
That'd be 5 damage per 10 skill, which is too low.

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>>35789790
yes but nowhere does it says that you have to equip THOSE to begin with

Armor pieces are
Head
Shoulders
Chest
Arms
Hips and Thighs (you know I will just call them pants from now on, ok?)
Boots

Noone says you HAVE to have your light armor be Head/Chest/Arms. It could be Shoulders/Pants/Chest if you want to

Anyway, even if you already had your Head/Chest/Arms with slots, you can still get Shoulders, pants and boots with enchanements

Why wouldnt you want +18 enchantments and enhancements?

>>35789782
>o.O? that wording its weird, wouldnt it be simpler to just deal +5 danage or just say you ignore 5 armor?
well I wasn't sure how armor was calculated. Still, lemme reword that.

Rending Strikes
Reduce the bonus of Sword God Style by X(50?) to add +5 damage to Sword God Style's bonus. This bonus is also stackable. You may take this trick multiple times.

anything on the other ones? I'm not so sure about Quick Draw anymore, if armor is simply a flat damage reduction.

>>35789844
...lemme try that again.

Rending Strikes
Reduce the accuracy bonus of Sword God Style by X(50?) to add +5 damage to Sword God Style's bonus. This bonus is also stackable. You may take this trick multiple times.

>>35789831
that pic leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I prefer "Objects in Mirror are exploiting your slipstream"

>>35789782
>first come damage reductions from cards and items, then comes armor and armor reduction is extremely simply
ok, so where would the 99 armor be placed in 2(3(50+64))? Assume we added a zenite card, where would the 20% reduction be placed?

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>>35789813
it would still be 5 more damage per 10 skill, and you have to remember we have stablished the crit chance can go to about 75-80% for x2 damage on melee, or as high as x5

For regular people, +5 every 10 points is good because normal enemies dont have THAT much armor

For us, its good too because we can get a LOT of chances to do a critical hit with large bonuses to critical hits, so that becomes 25 more damage per every 10 points

Totally unrelated but if you like this image you should save it. You can find it with lots of text and shit on it easily on the net, but I cleaned it by hand years ago, so this is the only version without the shit on top you can find. Since im 98% blind now, I cant do that kind of stuff anymore, either

>>35789881
You keep saying you don't want to turn this into caster edition, but at the same time you are vastly favoring casters with stuff like this.

Seriously, 90 damage per 10 skill versus 5 per 10. And elemental gets stronger crits.

>>35789881
How about simply letting martials use mana to boost attacks? You've already established that martial abilities can do this with several jobs, so just make it generalized. That way you don't have to worry about martials being able to do crazy damage without having to rest.

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>>35789844
By the way, wouldnt it be simpler still to add the spillover attack to damage?

Have it be a weapon trick that asks for 100+ weapon skill, and then maybe have it be upgradable every 50 points thereafter. At first it adds extra damage on a 1:1 basis, but later its 1:2 and even 1:3

I dont see why you want to reduce the accuracy bonus, anyway

>>35789865
>that pic leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I prefer "Objects in Mirror are exploiting your slipstream"
oh do you have that one?

funny enough my dad used to to that when we traveled around the country. I always got pissed at him for piggybacking on huge trucks since if the truck brakes for any reason we would have been J-J.-JAMED IN! into its butt

Once time a truck he was approaching suddenly lost the chains holding its load of tree trunks and they came bouncing towards us. Luckily he was still approaching but if he had been doing his "cute little trick" we would have all died

>2(3(50+64))
I dont even ...

what the hell is that a representation of?

Lets see... if incoming damage is 16000, as if you had tried to attack the Alquian capital and they fired their giant lazers at you, you would, I assume, work like this

4 different rays
4000 damage per ray

-20% from 4000 thanks to a zenite card is -800
so 3200 per ray
-70% from a maxed paladin is 960 damage per ray
-Armor
and thats your damage

>>35789881
ugh wrong image... i cant find the one i cleaned, which is pissing me off non stop

>>35789946
>2(3(50+64))
2x from crit, 3x from sneak attack, 50 from legendary weapon, 64 from strength bonus.

I've used it for like every example.

>>35789946
>-70% from a maxed paladin is 960 damage per ray
>-Armor

Wait, I thought paladin happened after all other reductions?

>>35789946
>I dont see why you want to reduce the accuracy bonus, anyway
It's more that after 5-8 hits against slow enemies, your accuracy bonus might get so high that you don't even need to roll. If so, then re-introduce the risk of missing in exchange for making each attack more painful.

and seriously, is Shatter Strike balanced for cost?

>>35789970
>Shatter Strike balanced for cost

No. It's way way too weak. Letting a legendary weapon die should just outright kill something.

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>>35789889
casters dont get the nice crit multipliers weapons do. They dont get weapons with wider critical chance, they dont get enhanced critical damage multipliers, and they typically dont get large con bonuses so theyre pretty squishy, too

You can make any one group seem like a victim by focusing on ONE aspect that they have and excluding all others as well as all other groups of people

For example
Rich White Males are at risk of being mugged when they go out on the street. This means Rich White Men are being opressed!

Are ONLY rich white males ever in danger of being mugged when they go out on the street? no, but you arent mentioning anyone else, you are just mentioning them

"Warriors only do X damage"

Sure, but they also get a lot of beefiness, and they dont have to deal with a diminishing resource

For example, remember that Okaba had something like 200hp before we toughened him up.

Sure, Warriors dont do the massive explosive damage that casters do, but warriors dont turn into wet tissues if rain falls upon them, either

>>35789935
>How about simply letting martials use mana to boost attacks?
that sounds pretty good, actually, but seems like something rune knight or zodiac knight should be able to do, and technically zodiac knight does, since it lets you cast a spell to add its damage to their melee attacks (and viceversa), right?

>>35789956
>2x from crit
But that can be x5 from crit with the right weapon trick
>3x from sneak attack
>50 from legendary weapon
Thats the BASE damage of a legendary weapon, you can also add to it other sources of damage. You are skipping on plain +10 death damage or +10 fire damage, or +900 spell damage if you are a zodiac knight
>64 from strength bonus.

<-- I love characters with black hair, but I understand/know how hard it is to draw right, which is why so many studios draw it as blue

>>35789967
I dont remember off hand but you are probabky right. I think I remember changing that order, tho, but im not sure

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>>35789970
>Shatter Strike
remind me what that is? sorry im trying to think of proper wording for other stuff right now

Its hard to think of good wording in other languages, the syntax of phrases is often quite different, and i have to keep jumping back and forth between that and multiple conversations here

>>35790098
this one >>35789355

>>35789956
>>35789970
well, since someone posted the calculations anyway:

50 from legendary
+700% for Shatter Strike

so that's 400+8*Str bonus.

>>35789986
...yeah, that is kind of meh. Exponential is far too much as well. It MIGHT be worth it if it lasts for the entire battle, but that doesn't sound like a weapon trick anymore.

what if it's multiplied by weapon quality*# of cards? Anywhere from 4x to 42x.

>>35790063
>and technically zodiac knight does, since it lets you cast a spell to add its damage to their melee attacks (and viceversa), right?
No, not really. You are creating a system that will favor doing a lot of physical attacks to trigger the extra spellcasting, without caring about physical damage because it's pathetic.

Your arguments are almost identical to the line of reasoning that gave us 3.pf monks.

But sure, if you want us to treat this like caster edition we'll treat this like caster edition.

>>35790063
>Thats the BASE damage of a legendary weapon,
Ok? I'm asking where the reductions would be applied to that equation.

>>35790063
>Sure, Warriors dont do the massive explosive damage that casters do, but warriors dont turn into wet tissues if rain falls upon them, either

So you seem to want to keep to your sense of verisimilitude. That's fine, but from our perspective as players? None of that matters or is relevant. Physical damage drops off like a rock. Magical damage increases almost as quickly. Toughness scales with total level, not any particular job. Those are the constraints you are creating for us.

>>35790140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

>>35790198
you people seam to forget we the player are a super special snowflake, who through out all the rules, people normally live by.

it seams like going for multiply class bonuses it unheard of almost entirely. because the gods tried to make things balanced for the average guy who may only get to a single t3 or duel t2 at most before they die. not our min/maxing ass

but that's our best power we are gaming the world, and I think that's the best part of this quest, its like we are using every thing we can, to "win"

I understand you want some uber knight class/ability that can do it all but martial classes are more meat shields than anything so far, and we are the meateist of them all.

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>>35790134
oh

Shatter strike seems like a really bad idea. May as well go with weapon throw and "your weapon is unavailable for the rest of the encounter", implying that you can recover it at the end. Assuming that you wish, of course

>>35790140
>Your arguments are almost identical to the line of reasoning that gave us 3.pf monks.
I dont really do pathfinder. I just play a sorcerer on fridays sometimes and were just lvl 1 still

The thing is, warriors are tough, and do decently sustained damage
Casters do a lot of damage, but are squishy

I remember anons whining about magic being pathetic and a noobie trap just 2 threads ago

I really dont think physical damage drops off as badly as you are saying, You have to remember adding weapons special abilities, too. Which you need to find as you find weapons in the future

If I said "theres a weapon property which ignores damage reduction" you would say "we need to find THAT weapon, all other weapons are useless!" and would lose the fun of finding the weapons as you find them

"Oh, its another excalitrash, into the trash it goes!"

Now let me think...
2 threads ago or so
"magic sucks! its a newbie trap!"

>Guys, why dont you try using more hybrid spells to double or triple your damage? here, have this magic bullet trick to make you think about using spell tricks properly instead of just focusing on class abilities

"Oh so instead of doing 1:3 damage, we can do 1:9 damage with hybrids, and so instead of paying 100 to do 300 at most, we can pay 300 to do 2700!"

Now
>Melee sucks, it's a newbie trap!

Seriously mate? seriously? and the funny bit is, now you are focusing on weapon tricks only and excluding class/weapon abilities.

If instead of giving a weapon an epic enhancement to let you ignore damage reduction, i had made it a weapon trick, would you complain about melee class abilities being too weak instead?

1/?

>>35790063
>casters dont get the nice crit multipliers weapons do
Wait, what? Rune knight's aggravate shows us that 'attacks' can be either weapon attacks or spells. Ginaz Swordmaster, Virtuosso, and Lord all grant crit bonuses to 'attacks'. Sharp spell exists. Spells get a 65% crit chance. That's hardly a huge decrease from melee's 75%.

>>35790298
>>Now
>>Melee sucks, it's a newbie trap!

>all anons are the same person

>>35790298
You explicitly nerfed melee crit chance while tripling the damage of spells. Yes, that changed things.

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>>35790320
you are talking of bonuses to your chance of doing a critical attack

Im talking about how high that dmaage goes.

For example a melee attack does x2 on a critical, but you can make it x5 with weapon tricks, and x7 if you include weapon enchantments

Spells and ranged attacks do x3 on a critical

Im talking about the multiplier of the damage, you are talking about the bonuses to the chance of a critical happening on the 1st place

>>35790264
this

>>35790298
The point is, you need to consider the whole picture, not just one thing.

You want to do 70000 damage per melee attack? thats fine, really

A friend of mine ran a custom Diablo II server and it was so popular it burnt

"Dude how the fuck do you burn down a server?"
"I raised the damage of everything by 100, and the hp of everything by 100. Kids love seeing biiiig DPS on screen"
"But, if everything had 100 times more hp, there was no difference"
"Right, but they dont care"

Should I just give everything 700 times more hp and 700 times more damage?

>>35790378
>Im talking about the multiplier of the damage,

And you showed us that there are item enhancements that give at least +1 to both physical and spell crit multiplier. Is that no longer the case?

>Should I just give everything 700 times more hp and 700 times more damage?

We're already in the nerf bat stage of the game. Any significant challenges to us are going to be using the same rules as us, which means they'll have gigantic HP pools, con that scales faster than strenth, and high wis. That Con bonus means physical damage will never increase. Wis means that spells will never do more than 1/2 damage, but that's ok because they have such a huge base damage to begin with.

And you're resistant to things like adding int bonus to physical damage, or making scaling effects from skills even a little bit relevant. Because we're a special snowflake or something.

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Ooooh I found the image! this is the unadultered image

anyway, the idea is to have you guys help expand on weapon tricks through training, but thats for the "a knight's tale" phase, which is when we go to eopolis and grandpa sends us to military school. Not a boarding school, btw. I guess in english you would call it militarized instead?

Then we'll interact with ginaz swordmasters and sword/water gods and such like now we are interacting with Okaba... btw, I havent checked his updated sheet, kind anon that updated them. Did he made it to archmage yet?


Right now we are at "you're a wizard harry!" which is when we are living with mom on the magic school era, and thus we are expanding the limits of magic. Later on we'll expand onhow to slice, dice and chop things

>>35790378
>but you can make it x5 with weapon tricks

Not unless there's stuff you haven't shown us yet.

>>35790439
>Did he made it to archmage yet?
Yeah, I had him start on archmage. It would be better statwise for him to finish his t2's first, but I figured he'd want archmage.

I also put make as level 1 virtuosso, but I'd say that having her working on warrior poet makes more sense. Honoria I set as a zodiac knight because I really have no idea who she is as a character.

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>>35790407
what im really surprised about is... no, nevermind, its my fault for trying to rush combats by running things on my end, but we have been fighting golems in the past.

I think you are a D&D player, right? you DO remember that golems tend to be immune to magic and/or only vulnerable to very specific spells, right? they're basically a big "fuck you and your sissy wand" to casters.

Some of our dungeon floors have been FULL of golems, I just didint mention "and on this floor, you have to use your sword because spells do nothing". Maybe I should?

And this is the modified image... i think. I rather like it for a older mako. Nice body, nice black hair, naginata is a very traditional weapon... etc

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>>35790446
ugh i keep failing to upgrade the pdf exactly because i keep replying. Sorry ill be quiet for a while and just actually do it

>>35790480
>"and on this floor, you have to use your sword because spells do nothing". Maybe I should?

If you want. It doesn't change the point that physical damage is much, much less than magical damage. It's like you're imposing a penalty on us that we have to spend 5x more time killing stuff just because.

>>35790407

>>We're already in the nerf bat stage of the game. Any significant challenges to us are going to be using the same rules as us,


No one follows the same rules as us that the point.

things weren't meant to be like us hell its a life time of slavery before any one normal would have the chance to be like us. and they they don't have half the metta exp we do so the likely hood of them min-maxing well is low.


>>35790359
spells are limited they need MP and yet we can always swing a sword.


>>35790480
perhaps a few short stories about dungeon crawling. have big E power through a fifth floor with some friends,or a dungnear (sp?) to point out common features, monster, and how to deal with them. like a bit or a class he takes or something. maybe trips to certain floors to study interesting effects/abilities of monsters.

>>35790572
Jesus christ you're stupid.

The only relevance that 'no one else is following the same rules as us' has is that people are not a threat. Brass, mom and dad are supposed to be huge badasses and we could beat all three of them, at once, without any trouble.

Anything we actually have to think about fighting will use the same rules as us.

MP limits are meaningless to us and anyone who will be a noticeable challenge because mp drain is a thing.

>>35790439
Oh, about the character sheet.

I have a pretty ugly system that lets you level up characters by entering the amount of XP they get, then manually increasing class/job levels in a temporary space until that xp is all used up. You have to manually copy the levels from that temporary space to the 'real' stats.

I can get levelups done pretty quickly with it, but as i said it's kludgy and ugly.

I could set up buttons that automatically calculate everything, taking active jobs into account and even including bonus xp bonuses for level difference, but that would require scripts, which are a security vulnerability. Do you want me to build that?

>>35790607

biggest changes no is not fighting any one, any more once we get them t1s up to 20 and the t2 and t3 we want to min max damage we could walk naked into a dungeon a give its god a proper but fuck.


yet convincing the masses/leaders of our objectives to stop child slavery/breading pits
human/sentient rights.

so our most important stat/abilities are ones that up Charisma or give Social-fu crits and other bonuses.

also
>>The only relevance that 'no one else is following the same rules as us' has is that people are not a threat. Brass, mom and dad are supposed to be huge badasses and we could beat all three of them, at once, without any trouble.

they are they are they are bad mother fuckers.
we are the baddest this hasn't been a change of fighting things, if we plan something out we can beat it

the story has been mostly the slice of life things and discovery about the world, stabbing fuckers is just a way to power.

>>MP limits are meaningless to us and anyone who will be a noticeable challenge because mp drain is a thing.

so is silence and anti-magic whats that got to do with anything?

>>Anything we actually have to think about fighting will use the same rules as us.

yes so.... I don't understand your point please elaborate.


>>35790659
that sounds cool hell it would help people find a better min/max path.

>>35790753
I'm asking this seriously: Are you retarded? Because what you're writing is garbled gibberish.

>>35790788
language, English is it your first ?

>>35790836
It obviously isn't yours. That or you're retarded. Hence the question.

>>35790854
just quote what you are having trouble comprehending and I will elaborate

>>35790879
So yes, you're retarded.

>>35790912
Takes one to know one and you know them all.


I am rubber you are glue what ever you post bounces off me and sticks to you.

>>35790940
Thank you for the confirmation of your mental deficiency.

>>35790854
>>35790912
>>35790940
>>35790962
Stop! FEEDING! Trolls

>>35791079
Sounds like you kinda ran out of steam at the end there, chum.

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>>35790788
I understood what he said. It seemed reasonable to me

>>35790940
i laughed

>>35791447
>actively encouraging namefags

Why are you even on 4chan?

>>35790480
Do our summons hit golems and other MR creatures for full damage?

I think we should play more with divine magic too.

One thing to remember is that there are a lot of job paths with passives and actives for melee, less for casting.

A ambi monkey gripped two hander paid with two runic weapons does 70+ str base twice. Two armor pierci g will belp bypass some armor and a few levels of swipe can clear groups too.

Probably allowing a second melee attack every 50 weapon skill would not be too bad.

A sword of light skill at 75 min skill that adds your con bonus(fighting spirit) to melee hits would work too.

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>>35791485
eh, sorry but it was funny

You cant just call him retarded and expect him to reply seriously. You need to explain why you dont like his argument. You need to be respectful if you want to be taken seriously

As for namefags, I asked people to use naetags so I could take a look and get an idea of who says what and when everyone is present. If everyone is here on, say, a tuesday, maybe we could run a thread without anyone being left out.

>>35791551
Yeah, you're actively fighting board culture by asking for that. Probably should take the people you care about and head elsewhere.

>>35791551
ehh, I don't care either way when it comes to namefagging. Most people who have a distinct personality are recognizable by how they type anyway.

I'm just that anon who pops in near the start and near the end of these threads, only that homework is keeping me up later than usual.

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>>35791534
>Do our summons hit golems and other MR creatures for full damage?
thats a good question. Im going to say yes

>>35791534
>I think we should play more with divine magic too.
was saving that for priest school, or mayba a saga on mako's homeland since they are very big on divine magic over there

>>35791534
>One thing to remember is that there are a lot of job paths with passives and actives for melee, less for casting.
im also worried about bows

I've been thinking about allowing armor piercing thrice instead of twice, but spacing it so you cant take it "in a row" if that makes sense? Thinking in allowing several tricks to be taken more often but adding "cant be taken in a row"

>>35791534
>Probably allowing a second melee attack every 50 weapon skill would not be too bad.
It does sound reasonable, what does everyone else think?

And the sword of light... why con? if its a spiritual thing, wouldnt wis or cha be better for it?

Also thinking in adding feints and such that use app

>>35791569
well, it just seems like it would be nice to play more often, but mean to play without most people, you know?

>>35791602
Hi

Deathly Critical – Your melee critical hits damage multiplier grows by +1. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not in a row.

Is the wording on that unclear? could take it at 70 90 and 110 but not at 70 80 and 90.

Im thinking that maybe those who use two handed weapons with their proper 2 hands, get more attacks and accuracy with the right weapon tricks

So warriors can choose between
1h weapon and shield for some extra safety
1h weapon on each hand for more attacks
2h weapon for more attacks with greater accuracy

Sure you can take monkey grip and get more, stronger attacks, but they wouldnt get the same accuracy bonuses

Just trying to add variety. Its important they end balanced vs eachother tho

>>35791534
that all sounds very reasonable

>>35791569
>>actively fighting board culture

Every time I see something like this. I hear this 360 pound neck bearded of a man child telling me he is an oldfag because he had been on 4chan since 2010.

>>35791551
when do we get into bows? elf times?
I just can't make it some times just run it when you can, hell reading the archives was just as good as playing to me.

>>35791693
>well, it just seems like it would be nice to play more often, but mean to play without most people, you know?

Just post your schedule beforehand and run, then. You already have a twitter.

>>35791693
>You can select this weapon trick several times, but not in a row.
What about "but not consecutively"?

Getting more attacks is the duelist's thing, though.

>variety
considering you don't use mechanics like weapon reach, accuracy, damage, and maybe crit rate are the only ways 2h weapons can be better.

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>>35791693

actually let me expand on that

1h weapon and shield
shield has defensive enhancement and enchantments. Most con stats will be on shield and chest plate, so it can be a better bonus than just +10 armor. Its where im trying to focus +con bonuses, and a small +SR bonus

So the sword and board is the utility option

1 handed on each hand.
Since it lets you attack with each weapon each time you are attacking with a basic attack, it lets you add your str bonus twice, and lets you carry twice as many offensive enchantments

2 handed
higher base damage, and on average, stronger offensive enchantments than regular 1 handed weapons. Also, accuracy bonuses, which you may have noticed ive been trying to keep rare

monkey grip
a higher base damage version of dual wielding without the acciracy bonuses

>>35791756
>which you may have noticed ive been trying to keep rare

Are you doing the math for what this causes? Because Dex scales far faster than Str, which means as everything gets more powerful, nothing will be able to hit.

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>>35791714
>reading the archives was just as good as playing to me.
really? well, im glad you are enjoying it

>>35791742
eh, i plan on sticking with 2 regular games every week. Im not sure when i have free time, which is why it would be nice to be able to say "oh we are all here, lets have a small thing"


>>35791751
>not consecutively
ah that sounds better, thanks

How's this?

Deathly Critical – Your critical hits damage multiplier grows by +1. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively.

Sharp Eye (Requires a minimal Melee Weapon Skill of 50, 75 and 100+) – Your base critical chance on melee attacks grows by +5%. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively. Your critical chance on melee attacks cannot exceed 75%, or 80% if you are an elf.

Im thinking that the "or 80% if you are an elf" may be better in the elf racial section, as a passive saying "you get +5% base critical chance on attacks. This allows you to raise your critical chance past 75%".

It may be a terrible idea, tho

>>35791751
I feel you should have used a period instead of a comma somewhere in your last line...

But that does give me an idea. I was just thinking i shouldnt raise the base critical chance for all melee weapons, but maybe raising it for weapons you are holding with both hands would be fine, instead, to go with the "extra accuracy" theme

>>35791781
>Dex scales more than Str
Thats because
1- we are stacking jobs, which means we are stacking dex
1.1- because all jobs get "some" dex since all jobs need "some" competence at DOOOOODGE while not all need some competence with melee.
2-we have plenty of multi attack means, tho. If all our attacks had a high chance to hit, we would be hitting WAY too often

>>35791897
Deathly Critical – Your critical hits damage multiplier grows by +1. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively.

Sharp Eye (Requires a minimal Melee Weapon Skill of 50, 75 and 100+) – While holding a weapon with both hands, you gain a +5% base critical chance on melee attacks. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively. Your critical chance on melee attacks cannot exceed 75%, or 80% if you are an elf.

As anons have proved, however, reaching 75% is not that hard anyway. Maybe it would be more meaningful to just give +5 to attack rolls when you are holding a weapon with both hands, instead of a critical to your chance to crit?

>>35791897
>I feel you should have used a period instead of a comma somewhere in your last line...
Hey, It's past midnight over here, cut me some slack. Although I think the sentence is grammatically correct, which just makes things even MORE confusing.

Im thinking that the "or 80% if you are an elf" may be better in the elf racial section, as a passive saying "you get +5% base critical chance on attacks. This allows you to raise your critical chance past 75%".

how about "elves receive a +5% base critical chance on attacks. This bonus is not affected by the 75% critical chance cap."

>>35791962
I dunno, may need playtesting.

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>>35791983
Deathly Critical – Your critical hits damage multiplier grows by +1. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively.

Kenpachi's Paradox – While holding a weapon with both hands, you gain a +5 to melee attack rolls with that weapon. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively.

Sharp Eye (Requires Melee skill 70+) – While holding a weapon with both hands, you gain a +5% base critical chance on melee attacks. You can select this weapon trick several times, but not consecutively. Your critical chance cannot exceed 75%

Better?

>>35791897
>2-we have plenty of multi attack means, tho. If all our attacks had a high chance to hit, we would be hitting WAY too often

it will take 44k more experience for us to reach level 20 in all remaining t1 classes. Once that happens, we will have 197 pdv and an attack bonus of 106. We would literally be almost off the rng.

This will get worse, as there are more t2 classes that favor dex over strength. And all the people we train will have similar stats.

I don't think you are working through the consequences of your system decisions.

>>35792057
Well if you make it +5 to attack AND damage rolls, it becomes half as strong as Centaur Charge, but can be used in more situations.

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>>35792079
>it will take 44k more experience >>for us<<< to reach level 20 in all remaining t1 classes. Once that happens, >>>we<<< will have 197 pdv and an attack bonus of 106. >>>We<<< would literally be almost off the rng.

Yes, bit that's is because we are abusing the system and stacking the defense of all jobs. Not all jobs have melee attack bonuses, but all jobs have some defense bonus. I think its unavoidable

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>>35792105
You are right, but come think of it, wouldnt it make more sense to just let you add your ...no, you are right. Was gonna say "let you add your str bonus to damage" but stacking str bonus to damage 3+ times makes it way too strong.

Gonna go with +5 to damage too

I think I ran out of naginata images tho

>>35792147
Why do you think this means anything?

The NPC's don't care what rules you make for them. The players do.

>>35792147
>I think its unavoidable

Give more and better attack bonuses. Problem solved.

>>35792187
>>35792202
I disagree completely. Making sure the game is balanced for the NPC is key. We can work out how Scion breaks everything as we experience it, since having a broken character was pretty much how this quest started.

I don't remember anyone other than me complaining in the first 2 threads.

>>35792187
but that's how the entire consent is being played its not supposed to be balanced for the player its the npc's world it balanced for them.


that's why its important to get our sister/slave up to 100 lv slave so she can be our equal.

we are not playing the roll of "hero" we are a demigod there is nothing we can not do. hell there should be nothing we can not do and make look easy.
we have no equals.

>>35792079
It is a system that works fine, except in edge cases. We are one hell of an edge case. The type that shows up rarely inspires people and people assume we are awesome cause we are a hero, not the inverse.

The gods are not mathmeticians, they don't understand probability and statistics. If they did it would probably be a physics based universe.

They figure, hey it work why change it?

These gods do play dice with reality.

>>35792246
No. All of the people we train will have exactly the same stat spread. All scion does is get us there 50% faster.

This is achievable by literally everyone in the world. And will be, if QM wants to give us anything challenging at all to fight, because we've already beaten the old serial level ups. That ship has sailed. Mission accomplished. The only threats we meet will be doing the same thing we are, and in those cases we will not be able to even hit each other.

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>>35792187
im confused, why do you think it is important that we be able to hit ourselves?

We have very good chances to hit the npcs, and they have lower than average chances of hitting us. I would say our defenses may be too high, but our attack is nowhere near "bad"

At worse, its just "not as op as our defenses"

>>35792187
That's not the game we are playing.
Have you read this quest?

>>35792302
>> All of the people we train will have exactly the same stat spread

yea all the people WE train
no one else, not the super 1337 ninja. no one else does that

>>35792352
Because it's not hitting ourselves. It's hitting anyone who levels their t1 classes to 20. Like we're training a bunch of people to do. Are you seriously saying no one will pick up on this and change training practices anywhere at all?

Here, replace all the instances of 'we' with 'lyann', does that make it clearer for you?

>>35792381
we have only taught princes/princess royals know to keep that under there crowns.

>>35792352
>We have very good chances to hit the npcs, and they have lower than average chances of hitting us

Brass has a 5% chance of hitting us, entirely because of crits. We are off the RNG.

We have ~70% chance of hitting him.

Comparing us to people who level one job chain is pointless, because they offer no challenge whatsoever.

>>35792456
Is Brass properly equipped yet?

Not that that solves ALL the problems, mind, but Eldric has some pretty sweet gear...

>>35792485
We have exactly the same bonuses to pdv and to-hit from gear as he does. The only really good equipment we have is the sword and the ring. Almost everything else is basic.

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>>35792381
honestly, i hink its fine. We get to play big damn heroes for a change since we are stronger than others.

In the future I see us facing the same challenges as shield bro. End of the world scenarios where mountains stand up to attack puny humans and we have to get in their path, if you want to have challenging combat.

Anyway im going to go for a couple of hours, see you guys when I return

>>35792510
doesn't Eldric get stat bonuses from the armor? Are there any to DEX?

>>35792547
+20 to con and Int, +2khp, +300mp from cards. Nothing else.

>>35792546
So you're completely ok with us walking into an army and murdering the fuck out of it, entirely unsupported?

Because unless you start having people train up their t1 jobs, we will be able to do that in a handful of dungeon diving sessions.

>>35792582

I think he is drawing inspiration from shield hero. Fighting demons and end of world shit.

Owning armies of normies is kinda expected. Already with our abilities we can handle large groups fine, as long as they are t2 or below jobs.

>>35792547
We have scrub stuff cept for cards and heirloom weapon really.

Lyann has the relic stuff. We can likely farm some to get really good mats on floors 30+

>>35792654
>Lyann has the legendary stuff

She's equipped out the wazoo. Still falling behind us in stats.

>>35792654
lyann she's got legendary actually

>>35792546
>since we are stronger than others
We are working on making sure everyone we go into dungeons with is as strong as us, or will be given time. I do not see us changing this pattern if we are taken to a different environment.

We are only marginally stronger than the people who know about job stacking, and only for a limited time. Lyann would surpass our stats in 3 months of dedicated dungeon diving. Everyone we tell this to will be able to face the same challenges or accomplish the same feats.

>>35792546
Deliberately creating a system that falls apart in player use cases is a mistake.

>>35792944
I don't see too much wrong with it, this is like a lot of video games where properly applied grinding does the same thing.

Lot of people won't due to time and not understanding the system.

We do have the system understanding and do not have to sit there as we plow through each room.

I just expect some seriously broken challenges later, but not from people but the evil threat the QM has hinted at.

remember there is a black tower that has necromancers and demon summoners in the world

>>35793365
so we make a mithril tower summon angles and have a lot of kids?

>>35793395
not what i was thinking of but i like it

>>35793223
Real talk: I'm saying we need a stacking damage buff for physical damage so that Con bonuses don't completely nullify it, and magic damage doesn't completely overshadow it.

We need a way to bring physical to-hit bonuses up so that equivalent level people have at least some chance of hitting each other.

You either need to just scrap mdv as a stat entirely, because Wis blows Int out of the water, making it so that spells always do 1/2 damage, or you need a way to add significant bonuses to spell accuracy.

These are the really, glaringly obvious issues that occur at higher total level. And you and King are opposed to addressing them because of no good reason whatsoever.

>>35793439

So we need a stacking damage buff for melee. That sounds like a good idea. Ideally 2 people with the same total levels should have about a base 40-60 percent chance to hit, before tricks.

There should be spell penetration tricks and spell hit tricks also. Of course elemental is much rare a skill then weapon. Our bonus points will be a large advantage.

I think earlier there was a stacking weapon trick that allowed +5/+5 hit and damage. Allow it to be gained every 20 weapon skill and you get choices on accuracy or extra ae attacks.


There are currently 2 levels of armor pen, to ignore 20 points of armor. There should also be some armor pen item mods.

>>35793817
armor pen seams more of a ranged weapons things. that's what crossbows/guns do best

>>35794359
Armor piercing is mostly abou knowing where to strike, not actually breaking the armor. So any weapon will gain from practice or skill

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>>35793395
>summon angles

Good god, why does this make me laugh so much. Explains the architecture style in Sigil, tho.

It ALWAYS bothered me how typically it is that only evil ever grows strong and tries to take over the world. Why cant GOOD get strong and try to take over the world?

Seriously, its been bothering me for decades. If you want that to be a crisis, you could belong to a neutral (read, stupid) faction that is all about balance and tries to oppose the takeover recruiting evil to do it.

I am very excited to see good growing strong and hope you guys have plans of world domination.

I even want to see romantic subplots where one or more of the angels you summon fall in love with some of your party members.

Also while I was away, I decided to make it so you can take a weapon trick to give you 1/2your weapon mastery to attack and damage rolls with weapons when using a weapon with both hands. I think this should be fine if it can only be taken twice, at 100 and 200 weapon skill, respectively.

Comments?

>>35796319
Works for big sword, what about duel wield and sword/board to get through defense?

Bringing this question back up.

Surely Frank Quests weren't the hardest quests on this board?

>>35796457
Frank quests?

Never heard of them

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>>35796364
Kenpachi's Paradox (Requires 100+ melee weapon skill) – While holding a weapon with both hands, you gain ½ your weapon skill to melee attack rolls and damage with that weapon. You can select this weapon trick every 100 weapon skill points.

what about this wording? it feels really clunky

dual wield gets the benefits of having LOTS of attacks, and using 2 weapons.

That sounds condescending, but listen up. It's not, it's just that I can't think how else to explain it.

While dual wielding, any time you use a basic melee attack, you use two instead. This means you get the damage and enchantment benefots from both weapons, and add your str bonus twice. If you are using monkey grip, you also do the same damage as a 2 hander with each of those attacks.

Honestly I think its fine as it is. You get twice as many attack enchantments, roll twice as many attacks, and have twice as many attack bonuses and/or utiility from having two sets of enchantments, one per sword.

Sword and shield get utility and defensive enchantments, so they are also balanced that way.

>>35796457
Wouldnt know, never tried them, but this quest isint meant to be HARD, its meant to be fun and silly. That was stated on day 1

If you want a hard quest, play as a mortal in a exalted game

uhmm... maybe just add your whole melee weapon skill bonus to attack and your str bonus to damage, and taking it only once with lower requirements, then cant take it again.

Kenpachi's Paradox – While holding a weapon with both hands, you gain your weapon skill to melee attack rolls and your strength bonus to damage with that weapon. You can only take this weapon trick once

That way lancers arent shit for like 50 levels

>>35796554
>>35796650
Is this what has become of QMs while I was away?

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>>35796733
Lucky you, eh? seriously tho, could you give suggestions and positive criticism?

>>35796831
No, I'm not a critic anymore. It's not worth my time.

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>>35796867
Oh well, I guess Ill just do whatever I want and call it a day

+5 to attack and damage as i originally wanted, but you can take it multiple times. Over

>>35796554
>>35796650
Someone tell me these knobends aren't popular.

>>35796991

Either way for melee is fine, we are in magic city so it is natural for it to appear better once we focus on tricks. I think once we move on to the next chapters, the other tie ins will get better.

We are also forgeting what proper party balance with auras and other buffa can do, as we try to do it all ourself.

Nothing like typing in posts on the phone.

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>>35797590
>we are in magic city so it is natural for it to appear better once we focus on tricks.

thanks. For the love of God, i said that a while ago

Ah finally adeed Wind Road. After thinking much about it, its worded very simply like this


Wind Blade (Requires Swipe) – +10” range to a melee attack. This allows you to hit non-adjacent targets. You can take this trick thrice, each time adding +10” range.

Wind Roar (Requires Wind Blade) – Your Wind Blade weapon trick its a cone instead of a line.

>>35797727
You might want to add a note on how many degrees the cone is.

>>35798481
if its 10" long, its 10" wide at the end
20 -> 20
30 -> 30

>>35799123
that makes it 1 rad wide, regardless of how many times you take the trick?

Wind Roar (Requires Wind Blade) – Your Wind Blade weapon trick is a cone 1 radian wide instead of a line.

>>35799188
>1 radian
Seriously, 57.2958 degrees?

why not just 45°?

>>35799618
That's like asking why pi is 3.14 and not 3.

1 radian is literally 1 radius along the circumference of a circle. Increasing the radius doesn't increase what fraction of the circle it covers.

>>35799618
>>35799673
or did you mean chord length? That would make it 60 degrees, not 45.

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>>35799758
actually, come think about it, I think 90° is best

Accidental Idol Mafia Quest, featuring Ivan the cabbie!

>>35800381

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>>35800407
that somehow sounds pretty funny, but I have to translate the sheets from that file into text and a pdf, still

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is the kind anon that made the spreadsheet around? how do I add another cell to the openoffice spreadsheet= i want to add a "special" or "bonus" to the count for armor and SR

>>35801212
Most simply, you could just add everything to the modifier box by using '=x+y+z'.

Otherwise, cut the 'total' line, paste it down a space, then go into the formulas and increase the second cell number by one. Like if it says '=SUM(F55:F56)' turn that into '=SUM(F55:F57)'. Go back up a line, give yourself a label and input the values into new cell.

>>35801212
Here's a link to a sheet with the changes you wanted and my Kludgy level up system. Only elric's sheet have both, but it can serve as a template.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a932z5juv6842up/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.5.ods?dl=0

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>>35801349
>>35801415

ah, i ended up doing it manually. Its just too huge a pain to look for menus and submenus with these eyes. Thanks anyway for the help

You know, I just realized the spear(?) user from blade of the immortal ALSO had a horrible ending (died by tuberculosis) despite being the most badass fighter in the entire manga

<-- this girl

Really, lancers cant get a break. Also, started watching UBW. Its pretty, im happy i still had eyes to see it

I really wish they did Heaven's Feel, tho >.>

>>35801519
>I really wish they did Heaven's Feel
Sakura a shit.

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>>35801562
You soulless meany...

anyway, Lyann's mana crystal now has 18300 mana and is worth 1830g. But isint heaven's feel the route where Rider stays with them? I want Rider to stay!

Could be used by an alchemist to make a golem with 18300hp

Just remember this golem cannot be repaired in anyway except replacing the crystal

>>35801726
Rider is very nice, but not worth Sakura nice.

UBW good end best end.

>>35801726

Thats an insane mana crystal. I imagine if you put up a crystal with that much mana for open auction, you would get quite a bit more then 1830 gold.

What sort of alchemist does not want an ultra tanky personal protection golem for themselves.

That is assuming of course there are not other uses for mana crystals of that size. They may be pretty rare.

Granted, it must also be a very tempting target for theft, if not for the item box.

>>35802076
>theft
There basically can't be theft in this world. Mugging, sure. If murder causes an item box's contents to spill out then that too, but cat burglary-type theft? Nope.

>>35802212

Well yeah, there is no theft as much of worth is stashed in an item box. If it is not too big or unattended.

But straight mugging sure. It must be pretty common as there are a lot of people who will only have a handful of levels.

Most will not be as daring as we tend to be.

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>>35802212
>There basically can't be theft in this world. Mugging, sure. If murder causes an item box's contents to spill out then that too, but cat burglary-type theft? Nope.
dont forget the nobles dont have item boxes.
A guy with pockets? by default, must be loaded

<---Schoolgirl Mako is the naughtiest, even if she isint the least bit actually naugthy

>>35802432
Yeah, but that's why nobles have personal slaves to carry their shit for them. Like Lyann.

>>35802483

I am pretty sure that kidnapping is a bigger risk then theft.

Mug someone kidnap the kids, stick slaver collar on them, sell them to nomads or foreign areas, or ransom back.

I would figure that both Eldric and Lyann would be targets for something like that, going around relatively unguarded if not for the big don't fuck with us aura they may or may not emit.

Is it possible to get an estimate on someones strength by sight?

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>>35802551
if you focus, you can see someone's levels. His/her current job and class level

<-- really am i alone in liking this girl as school mako?

Unrelated, but I was thinking about the agelessness enchantment and how people just die for no reason. This is stupid, so let's try to make it less so.

Have it so that Fate is a thing, and people actually do have an appointed time to die. If they somehow manage to survive past that point, they become the target of increasingly unlikely coincidences that eventually result in their death, Final Destination-style. This is most obvious with agelessness enchantments, but occasionally you get some guy surviving a battle or accident he shouldn't and horrible shit starts happening around him.

Upgraded agelessness enchantments would thus additionally make a person invisible to Fate.

>>35802653
She gives off a very different vibe than Mako.

>>35802653
>if you focus, you can see someone's levels. His/her current job and class level

That explains it, they look at us and saw level 50+ something noble, look at lyann and see level 50+ something slave when we returned from dwarf town. In Opal city we were so well known after the first few days we likely had a lot of people looking out for us. Once we freed the slaves they would look out for us. Forget it after we introduced chilled beer.

They won't fuck with kids that strong and young. I guess Zoe and stella are more at risk since they belong to the Lightbringer house now, unless we run down and get them both a bunch of classes to level 20, like get them mamluk/wizard/healer/dancer 20, and unlock other classes.

Same with getting Mom and Eli some of the mix of classes to 20.

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>>35802725
>
>Have it so that Fate is a thing, and people actually do have an appointed time to die.
ok?
> If they somehow manage to survive past that point, they become the target of increasingly unlikely coincidences that eventually result in their death, Final Destination-style. This is most obvious with agelessness enchantments, but occasionally you get some guy surviving a battle or accident he shouldn't and horrible shit starts happening around him.
That sounds horrible, I would prefer to just die while sleeping, still young

>Upgraded agelessness enchantments would thus additionally make a person invisible to Fate.
Uhmm... Honestly I liked how they handled it on Dorei Maid. The princess that willingly became her childhood's friend slave got a collar that kept her ageless, but would have her die when he died. She was happy about it, calling it "her wedding ring" since for her it was "till death do us both" and "the best she could hope for given how much she loved him". Really, surviving your loved ones is terrible, to begin with. Also, im thinking Lyann will do this to herself. She's pretty smart, shell learn enchanting while Eldric is away and do it to preserve herself for him


>>>35802653(You)
>She gives off a very different vibe than Mako.
Really? she seems pretty strong, yet clearly feminine, to me, and with all the levels we are gonna get her, I think thats a good two traits to expect. Mako is probably gonna have hundreds of str and a girly and delicate looking little flower type of a girl is not going to do at all. I think strong, beautiful and black hair is as good as we can hope for

Also, I dont know the girl, havent read the manga or seen the anime. I just like her character design

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>>35802795
>They won't fuck with kids that strong and young. I guess Zoe and stella are more at risk since they belong to the Lightbringer house now, unless we run down and get them both a bunch of classes to level 20...

I dont know, evil, bad people, expect evil, bad things. They may not really believe we adopted them, they probably think they are just slaves but we adopted them to keep "the facade of righteousness" of the family

Furthermore, if they ARE evil, would they kidnap a toaster or a chair and ask for ransom? for evil people, slaves = objects. But I guess someone who really took the time and watched and came to conclusions may try? honestly, the ones at the biggest risk are Elli and Athena, and then the incoming twins

>>35803091
>I would prefer to just die while sleeping, still young

So the stupid way. Ok.

>>35803166

Well Dad is the leader of the coalition armies. Getting anything on him to blackmail would be a good idea.

Not to mention being a Lightbringer and all. The type of force needed to fight through Mom would be a bit much, but a few Thanes would do it, since she relies so much on magic. A strike at night trying to catch the household unawares while doing a smash and grab would be heck of a strike.

Since the empires armies currently are not doing much and may be losing ground in a few months, after the first airships go into production and the ability to get reliable scouting information quickly is improved. Not to mention the ability to screw with supply lines and maybe locate the cauldron of plenty.

May need some way to beef up house defense, but not sure of any way to do it other then more bodies.

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>>35803298
>A strike at night trying to catch the household unawares
I think its best to strike while veryone but Elli is at school, tho

Much easier to deal with 1 girl and grab athena

>airships
please call them war rock-its

and maybe some wards/alarms?

>>35796650
>While dual wielding, any time you use a basic melee attack, you use two instead.

And miss twice.

>>35803427
>I think its best to strike while veryone but Elli is at school, tho
>Much easier to deal with 1 girl and grab athena


Yes, even if Eli is stronger to fight them off, they could likely grab athena with 'acceptable' losses and try to escape then.

Probably wards/alarms that notify us might be good, we do have the money to make it affordable too.

Getting Eli a bunch of levels would not be too hard considering how we can blitz levels 20-25 in dungeons now. Even with a bunch of levels, she mostly has craftsman or if we level her, artisan equipped. They could distract her long enough to grab a kid and escape.

Now this makes me paranoid for the next plot hook.

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>>35803558
A T-800 type of golem ordered to protect Athena and Elli might be a good investment.

>>35803662

So we have Lyann push her gem to like 50000 mana, level alchemist a bunch and put out a golem with 500-700str/con/dex and some moderate int and other abilities and have it guard mom/eli/athena and the twins?

>>35803737
It never needs to sleep, never needs to eat, never gets bored or tired.
It doesn't drink, doesn't get distracted.
It will never stop protecting them.

The perfect guardian.

>>35803782

The :

(P) Masterwork: Your golem's Charisma,
Intelligence, Wisdom, Appearance, and Melee
weapons abilities are equal to your Alchemist level.

Means that those stats will be ~10 each about, or less sadly

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>>35803504
damn thats pesimistic

>>35803662
right, also, i wonder if elli could place traps around the house. Since they trigger only on enemies, wouldnt it be interesting?

in FFTA2 theres plenty of missions where you are sent to remove traps hunters left behind forgotten and are endangering animals in the region

It doesn't think. It doesn't feel.
It doesn't laugh or cry.
All it does from dusk till dawn
Is make kidnappers die.

(was thinking in replacing that last line with "Is keep the loli safe" but its way too soon, give it at least a decade)

>>35803813
>(P) Masterwork: Your golem's Charisma,
>Intelligence, Wisdom, Appearance, and Melee
>weapons abilities are equal to your Alchemist level.
well, 10 is a dull person's int/wis/cha/app and i think its rather amazing it can have weapon tricks at all

15 would be an average person, 20 would be very good for a normal person

>>35803813
Maybe there should be a way to upgrade those stats by investing either more Mana Crystals or expending expensive materials.

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>>35804512
that said, id like to see ideas on how to improve alchemist so its more worth it to level up the job

Anyway, going to bed. Night guys

>>35804512

Well yeah, Probably a good idea to bring it up in the next thread.

Would have to get some levels for alchemist, which being a t3? job, means it counts as level 40. Would take a bit of grinding to get it to smart enough to understand basic orders. ideally 13.

>>35804552
Night

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>>35804519
I'd like it if it was level related.
night

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>>35804565
yeah, and honestly i think its a bit lackuster as far as t3s go

ok now for sure, night

>>35804512
>pesimistic
No, that's math.

The chance of not getting two crits in a row is .95*.95=.9025. There's a 90% chance to completely miss against anyone with significant pdv.

>>35804634

Alchemist

(A) Arcane – You gain access to the following arcane powers:

Golem – You can sacrifice a mana crystal to summon a golem* with HP equal to the MP of the sacrificed crystal. The golem's Strength, Dexterity and Constitution are equal to your Intelligence. You can have 1 personal Golem for every 5 Alchemist levels.

25MP - Overclock - A personal Golem gains an additional melee attack each round, +15 melee hit, +25 melee damage, +30feet a round. This lasts for the number of rounds as twice your Alchemist level. When this ability ends your golem must cool down for 30 minutes, during which it cannot take any actions. This spell cannot be run be run at the same time as Heavy Metal.

(A) Divine – You gain access to the following divine powers:
12MP – Rasp. You or an adjacent ally also deal MP damage whenever they would deal HP damage until the end of your next turn.

25MP - Hardened Defense - A personal Golem gains +15pdv +25armor and the ability to force enemies to attack it. This ability targets up to 2 enemies, with a strength check against their MDv to force them to attack the golem. This ability lasts for the number of rounds as twice your Alchmist level. When this ability ends your golem is locked up and must initiate a restart, during which it cannot take any actions for 30 minutes

(P) Masterwork - Your golem's Charisma, Intelligence, Wisdom, Appearance, and Melee weapons abilities are equal to your Alchemist level.

(P) Imbue Golem - You can imbue a Personal Golem with a spell like ability. This ability can be only used once per combat. The cost is 5 gold and 50 mana(from a sacrificed mana crystal) at the time of imbuing. This ability must either be Divine or Arcane. A Golem can have 1 imbued spell every 6 Alchemist levels. If the golem is no longer your personal golem it loses this ability.

With our stats, we need to enable cadenero. Whatever Works means that melee damage would be 118+64=182, so an increase of 70 from our current 114, and I'm guessing we can use ambidexterity here. It'd also give us 118 armor vs our current 99 armor. All this while naked. It'd stack nicely with the courtesan, bladedancer and master monk passives.

If we also bought hybrid x4, and magic bullet x2, we could blow up most things with casting through our sword (600*9+52*6=5712 damage), then fall back to fists when magic immune enemies appeared. We'd easily solo dungeons.

>>35804573

It needs to stay level related in some way, otherwise you run the risk of simply buying past the only negative. Get 10 levels and forget it.

>>35805110

Goofed imbue golem costs, should be :

(P) Imbue Golem - You can imbue a Personal Golem with a spell like ability. This ability can be only used once per combat. The cost is 5 gold and 50 mana(from a sacrificed mana crystal) per mana of the spell imbued at the time of imbuing. This ability must either be Divine or Arcane. A Golem can have 1 imbued spell every 6 Alchemist levels. If the golem is no longer your personal golem it loses this ability.

>>35804671

I think sword and board and duel wield need a little love that can be introduced later.

Weapon Finesse (requires 75 melee skill, Ambidexterity) : You can substitute your dexterity for your strength for hit rolls. This only works when duel wielding two one-handed weapons.

Flurry of Touches (requires Weapon Finesse, Sword God Style and Armor Piercing) : When duel wielding two one-handed weapons you pierce an additional 10 armor and get +15 to hit. This can be taken twice at 100 melee skill and 125 melee skill.

>>35805140
>5712 damage
>182 damage

EVERYTHING IS OK GUYS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

>>35805447
>that magic damage can be enhanced with blast, cascade and chain

>>35805447
The funny part? Lyann could do this better than us because of her items. She'd get 600*11+23*6=6738 damage. Need to put Ghost+Kobold into her sword and hope it turns into the legendary version of that card combo.

>>35804573
>>35805110
Then what if Masterwork was changed to "Your golem's Charisma, Intelligence, Wisdom, Appearance, and Melee weapons abilities are double your Alchemist level."

>>35805140
Made a mistake with the armor from cadenero. Forgot to add the Con bonus, since Whatever Works gives +wis rather than just flat wis. So our total naked armor would be 119+68=187 armor. Being charitable and saying that unarmored counts as lightly armored for the purposes of armor piercing, we'd have 167 against someone with 2x armor piercing. So yeah, even if a guy with 300 str and a 2handed legendary weapon charged us, it'd still ping off with no damage.

>>35804634
Add an ability that lets you sacrifice mp crystals to repair HP at a ratio of 3:1, then decrease the ration every 10 levels.

Highest possible damage would be frenzy or garsman combined with the zodiac knight ability to get a free casting attack from that. That'd let us do 6 times the above damage, with a 65% chance of a crit on that. Add in thaumaturge so we can cast super summons for free on top of that.

So 6((.65*3+.25)(600*9+52*6))=75398 damage against a single target. Halve that, because it's unlikely we'd beat the mdv of anything important, for 37699 damage. And 6 mostly naked lyann summons.

Speaking of summons, I think we need a trick that lets us cast more than one an action. Sort of like hybrid, so

Summon Swarm: By paying the extra MP cost of an additional summon, you can bring forth more than one per action. This trick can be taken up to 5 times, adding +1 summon every time.

So we'd be able to burn 600 mana and get 6 summons in an action.

>>35807150
Oh, SR is meaningless against that spell damage. our SR, 158, would decrease damage by 2.2k. That's about a 3% reduction.

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>>35805140
>hybrid x4, and magic bullet x2
since when could magic bullet be taken twice?

>>35808747
[MagicBullet] [Requires Hybrid Spell Trick, and 30+ ranks in Elemental] You manage to squeeze the most out of your hybrid spells. Not only do they cost more and thus do more damage, as usual, but their elemental properties work in harmony to make them much more powerful than normal spells. Your hybrid spells do +2 danage per MP spent, raising their damage to 1:5 instead of the normal 1:3. You can take this Spell trick three times, each time requiring at least 30, 60 and 90 ranks in elemental.

>>35809179
Where'd you get that definition? The one I know requires at least 3 elements, so I assumed taking Magic Bullet a third time would take more elements than we know exist.

>>35809209
http://archive.moe/tg/thread/35726936/#q35734991

Where did you get yours?

>>35809215
Ah, I see. I assumed that since

>Try and make a hybrid of three elements

that you need to use at least 3 elements to do it. I still haven't processed the full ramifications of being able to take Magic Bullet multiple times, but I can see why he had no problems giving Majins an innate bonus to mana:damage

>>35809265
We started with 4 elements and apparently we picked up metal casting along the way. Only need wood now.

>>35809278
True that, and considering our knowledge of the periodic table and states of matter, I wonder how long it'll take before Eldric tries to see just HOW MANY elements there really are.

>>35809371
I wounder how well Thermite would do damage wise.

would it have armor piercing/destroying

>>35809397
I'm pretty sure Thermite is only practical for levelling buildings, if we can even make it.

>>35809465
Thermite is just a really hot reaction. It's pretty terrible at leveling buildings.

Not like we'll see it anyway, the universe has 6 elements, one of which is wood. Our periodic table has been told to go fuck off.

>>35809465
I was thinking adding a magnet and burning people alive in heavy armor

>>35809483
>army crossing a bridge
>A wave of liquid fire instantly appears and collapses the bridge

>>35809499
Isn't molten metal inherently un-magnetized?

>>35809539
it will stick till we start it

>>35809539
alos would the gods know that?

>>35809499
>>35809553
so...are you trying to fire magnets at people or magnetize the armor they wear?

>>35809597
going by that, thermite wouldn't exist. Possibly magnets as well, if this world doesn't run on magnetic poles. I'd like to see how the animals do their migratory patterns without magnetic poles, though.

>>35809631
>d like to see how the animals do their migratory patterns
They just go to the same hexes every year.

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>>35805110
>Golem – You can sacrifice a mana crystal to summon a golem* with HP equal to the MP of the sacrificed crystal. The golem's Strength, Dexterity and Constitution are equal to your Intelligence. You can have 1 personal Golem for every 5 Alchemist levels.


I think we need to reword that from "to summon" to "to fabricate". It is not just a summon, it actually has a body. Also considering to have materials affect its hardness and base damage. You ever played Diablo II? I remembered the steel golem, which asked you to sacrifice a magic item, and your golem would have that Item's properties. Maybe you can create a golem with 1 item and +1 items every 10 alchemist levels. That way we can give it powers and customize it

Rasp needs to be specified as a free action once per turn. Maybe "drain" instead of just damage.

Hardened defense... why str vs MDV? thats a punch that makes you stupid? maybe something like "Guardian - You can r redirect damage that would target you, to your golem"

and like i said, change masterwork so that it lets us sacrifice an item, and one more every 10 levels

imbue golem... not bad, but i was thinking in something similar to the options the predator has. Stuff like giving it wings/rock-it thrusters, laser aim (increased bonus to attack), maybe the ability to have a built in axe or hammer mode. In one it deals extra damage and in the other its attacks by default knock down or immobilize. Now that I think about it, we can probably do a lot that way

Good morning btw, im reading through the new posts

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>>35805230
>Weapon Finesse (requires 75 melee skill, Ambidexterity) : You can substitute your dexterity for your strength for hit rolls. This only works when duel wielding two one-handed weapons.

Some 1h weapons already do this. It was mentioned weeks ago and i just havent given it its own section in the pdf, but rapiers, estocs, stilhettos and other such weapons use dex for attacks

I think that implying more little hits somehow helps thrust through armor is weird. Ususually, the more attacks you have, the more chances for a hit. If it also pierced through armor, you wouldnt need to ever wield a single weapon. I would instead say you can use a weapon to block/parry while attacking with the other, letting you receive half your weapon skill to PDV, and make you count as if you were in full defense for purposes of seeing if you can do counters with water god, instead

maybe when you have 2 weapons, you could get a bonus to attack equal to 1/2 your weapon skill by doing a flurry of blows, as a full round. The purpose of this however isint to really deal damage, but just to get that bonus to start accumulating it for sword god style

For example right now eldric has 200+ weapon skill. That means that as a full round action he throws an attack that has +100 to hit. It doesnt matters if the attack does a lot of damage or not. He just wants to hit with a large difference between his attack and the target's PDV to get his sword god rolling.

Adding a "power attack" type of thing as an additional trick for sword god may be good. Letting you switch attack bonus to damage.

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>>35806880
why is cadenero getting so much love now after anons laughed at it at first?