Welcome to the XVIII installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_villains_victoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/p6UzetYh (Needs to be updated)Class roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyX
Reposting from last threadNation Anthem Ideas (Tunes):Virginia: The Virginia Company Arendelle: God Save The Queen (In Norwegian) The Sunless Empire: Kuzco Allegiance Day (Disputed maybe Yzmopolis)Pontificate: HellfireSultanate: Prince AliMirror Kingdom: God Save Emperor Francis Olympus: Land of the Dead
So we now have a K/L/R for Tzekel KanWe need to decide which gear will give what bonus to human characters that can operate them.And we need some powers. Seriously. We've been needing powers for seven threads now.
>>36129027Can Yzmopolis physically resemble the super-science city from Metropolis, albeit with Incan instead of Art Deco architecture?
>>36128283>>36128427Figuring out the numbers on this guy's ideas.So, basically for inter-party social mechanics, having a score of +1 to +4 between two characters doesn't change any stats except for the general party coordination score, which would be gained by taking the average of all the party personal scores and rounding (A party with four characters and personal scores of -2, +3, +4, -3, +3 and +5 would have a Party Coordination score of +2, the same party with scores of -2, -4, +3, -5, +2 and -1 would have a Party Coordination score of -1), and the Party Coordination score would give bonuses or penalties representing the general state of the party. Here's my basic ideas for the party-wide bonuses and penalties from top to bottom:+5 - Party is totally in synch with one another, increasing the primary stat of each character by 1 and giving a +4 bonus to all party-related rolls. A party should generally not be at this level, as there should usually be at least two PCs who somewhat dislike each other.+4 - Party greatly enjoys each other's company and are a true band of brothers. Gives +3 to all party-related rolls.+3 - Party genuinely like each other. Gives +2 to all party-related rolls.+2 - Party tend to work together well, most of the time. Gives +1 to all party-related rolls.+1 - Party usually like each other. Usually.+ 0 - Neutrality.-1 - Party tends to stray away from each other.-2 - Party members have a hard time working with each other. -1 to all party-related rolls.-3 - Party members actively avoid one another and openly dislike everyone else. -3 to all party-related rolls.-4 - Party members actively hate each other and can barely stand to work together. -5 to all party-related rolls, all primary stats decreased by 1. Dangerously close to -5.-5 - Immediate dissolution of the party.Note - 'Party-Related rolls' are any rolls that involve the entire present party, with the large bonuses intending to encourage PCs to do as many (char limit)
Fluff from like three threads ago:>Does Kaa still have a territory? Because if that's still the case, I've noticed a potential three way stalemate. Louie's men use fire to keep Khan away, Khan scares the shit out of Kaa and Kaa's power puts even the highest stepping of Louie's monkeys to sleep.fire fear sleep shoot!
>>36129100Having any 'dissolution of the party' type things just doesn't seem like a smart idea because you know there will be a THAT GUY who will work to get them there so they can go back to playing [INSERT HATED GAME OF CHOICE HERE].That being said, I'd argue that even if characters didn't like each other, they should be able to work together at a +5 level. Asshole friends that work in synchro in a pinch are a thing in all mediums.
>>36129100What about sync between only two characters? Do the bonus still apply but are toned down to only when the two are working together towards the same goal?
Why does Kaa have territory at all?His character doesn't strike me as ambitious or charismatic (hypnosis aside) enough to lead a nation.Maybe serve as a second in command or notorious highwayman, maybe, but it seemed like he was perfectly happy with eating whatever he could catch in the movie.
>>36129100Can you do one for Power of Love?>>36129180This guy is right though. It needs a little work.
>>36129194Probably when Shere Khan took over the jungle, Kaa struck a deal with him.So he hypnotizes some animals to make them feel like they are safe in his territory, and then he simply goes and eats them when he feels like it.Shere Khan probably doesn't care because lolKaa, he can just eat him anytime. But they usually don't bother each other that much, so....
>>36129027>King: Empress Yzma the First and LastWhile Empress Yzma's dominion over the majority of South America would seem to imply that she is doing something right, you might be hard pressed to figure out exactly what that something is. Building on the foundations of narcissism, madness and wild unpopularity laid down by her predecessor and one-time protege Emperor Kuzco, Yzma's reign has so far brought more of the same, making the transition of power a relatively smooth one from the perspective of her jaded subjects. Despite all appearances however, she is much more than just a crazy old lady that's scary beyond all reason. Empress Yzma the First and Last is a consummate mad scientist with an encyclopedic knowledge of chemistry, alchemy, pharmacology and zoology. Even beyond her love of transforming people into bizarre and ridiculous things, she is also well versed in other cartoonishly super-villainous disciplines, such as lever pulling, deathray building, monster ranching, secret laboratory rollercoasting and, her most impressive feat to date: banishing the sun from her Empire. The true threat Yzma poses to would-be adventurers and the world is not what you know she can do, but what you don't know she will do.>Land: The Sunless Empire The first thing an adventurer would notice about the Sunless Empire is that it does indeed appear to lack a sun, having in its place something almost but not quite like a solar eclipse with a caricature of Empress Yzma's bat-like face at the center.And that's all I'd had from my attempt at Yzma's K-L-R entry a few threads ago. Work drained me and I'm a bit lost as to how to describe her land. I know that under her rule I wanted to experiment with having a large population of chimera people and people with random animal parts, but my mind's been scattered to the four winds it seems.
You know, of all the villain songs out there I've probably listened to Yzmopolis the most; whenever I see it brought up I can't help but play it again.
>>36129100things together as possible.>>36129189HOLD YOUR HORSES PARTNER I'M DOING IT.When two characters reach +5 through an act of true friendship, they become inseparable together and gain the 'True Friend' condition, which can stack and gives +1 to all rolls. ALL OF THEM. Upon reaching +5 through an act of true love, the PC gains an inseparable lover who gives them the following, non-stacking bonuses (Can only have one true love) - +1 strike and +2 to the character's primary attribute.The point of giving such strong bonuses is that, well, it's Disney, but also because they are inherently human (or animal) bonds that can be manipulated and broken, and the penalties when such a thing happens are quite significant as well, turning social dynamics into a large portion of the game.If two party members reach -5 (-1 to -4 similarly only affects Party Coordination), they become True Enemies, giving -2 to ALL rolls between both players. This is a stronger state than a True Friend because someone hampering your movements is much worse than someone enhancing them.>>36129180In a party with 4 players, if one person has all -5s and everyone else was neutral, the Party Coordination score would be -3.>>36128603The 'hearbroken' condition could instead be separated to be 'hurt in heart', which happens when a friend rejects the PC or his/her ideals are damaged, 'torn in heart', which comes up when a True Friend is lost for whatever reason, when a love rejects the PC, and when an ideal is seriously hurt, 'broken in heart', which occurs when a True Love is lost for whatever reason or a True Friend betrays the PC specifically or when an ideal is shattered, and 'dead in heart', which occurs when a True Love betrays the PC specifically or a totally ideal-breaking event occurs that otherwise entirely destroys the PC's will. etcCHAR LIMIT ETC STILL NOT DONE
>>36129194Because he's memorable and iconic and antagonistic.
>>36129224That doesn't excuse how much land Kaa gets.That's my problem. It's a good chunk of the subcontinent.
>>36129231Best part is, it's not even a real villain song, it's from the tv show.And I have the same deal with Hellfire. Which reminds me...
>>36129247Well, what else should fill it up then?
>>36129247Yeah, there have bee suggestions to hand over most of his land to Shere Khan and leave him with a small but heavily centralised realm which he basically has complete and utter control of via hypnosis.
>>36129251Yes, but it fits the setting so well. It's not a "Here's what I plan to do" kind of song, its a "I'm in charge and you can all just deal with it" song.
>>36129239Even if that is the case, having any situation be a 'instant party dissolution' just seems like bad gameplay mechanic. If the players can sit down at the table, they shouldn't have to worry about their characters not being able to do the same in game.
>>36129269Shere Khan should get it or Ursula has flooded it.Or it could be one of Ratigan's overseas colonies, for that Colonial India feel.
>>36129272Oh, I love it. Yzma is great.
>>36129239ARRRGH ALL MY WORK HERE GOT DELETED. I'M RE-WRITING IT NOW. SPECIFICS ON BREAKING +4s, +5s and IDEALS>>36129274Getting a -5 Party Coordination is similar to having all the characters die together and being un-ressurectable. It'd mean that all the characters hate each other SO MUCH they refuse to even work with each other.Side note: A true love does not have to come from within the party, but a True Friend does. If an act of True Love is performed on an NPC outside the party, it creates an inseparable bond between the two of you and grants all the True Love bonuses, while not affecting party coordination. have fun fucking elsa
>>36129309Ratigan doesn't have his own land per se, just the mouse underworlds throughout the lands.The mice are forced to spy for him and call him king, since there's not many left to oppose him with the deaths of Basil and Dawson.
>>36129309If we need colonial India, then toss it to the EITC, that's what they're here for.
>>36129231There's just something really, really satisfying about it and about most of Yzma's antics.
Hmm, is this an improvement?I'm opposed to giving any humans a foothold in India. Shere Khan would never accept that.
>>36129100>>36129239>>36129342FINAL SECTION ON BREAKING UNBREAKABLE BONDS AND SHATTERING UNSHATTERABLE IDEALSHurt of Heart - Can be quite easily snapped out of through a wide variety of mundane means, causes a -1 in any roll that requires concentration due to a clouded mind, and the character acts somewhat more introspective and depressed while afflicted.Torn of Heart - Causes -2 in rolls that require deep concentration and -1 to all other rolls, MUCH harder to snap out of but can be done through serious self-determination and/or a combined effort of the party.Broken in Heart - Causes a -4 to rolls that require extreme concentration and -3 to all other rolls, as well as -1 to the character's primary stat for the duration, and is unable to be cured except through the concentrated efforts of other party members - you cannot self-snap yourself out of Broken of Heart.Dead in Heart - causes -5 to all rolls and -2 to the character's primary stats, as well as reducing one strike, making the PC almost useless while affected with this totally mind-sapping affliction. A character that is Dead in Heart requires exceptional action to restore them to a fighting state, potentially involving an entire extra quest focused around getting them what they need to get back into fighting shape. A NPC that would be Dead in Heart would be Elsa, as an example.Thoughts? Pastebins? Balancing?
>Arrive in Vatican>Lich Frollo begins singing>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAxKpvXrSQ
>>36129505I have no idea about balancing, as Crunch is not my strong pointHowever, I have to say that I fucking love it and that you are a cool guy for having this idea and even making all the detailed crunch for it.10/10 would sing withAlso, I imagine that Elsa's stats would be through the roof is she has Dead in Heart and still froze all of Arrendelle + golems roaming around
>>36129505Man, if she's still freezing everything she must be really fucking good at ice magic to keep it up with those kinds of penalties.
Just going to repost this and see if anyone wants more songs.Snow Anna:'Do you wanna build a snowman?'Sounds like something she would sayIt's only speculation 'cuzI've never metOld Anna anyway-You used to be best buddiesBut now she's deadI wish you would just cheer up!'Do you wanna build a snowman?'I really hope it's not a snowlem*Elsa is non-responsive*Snow Anna:Okay, fine...-Snow Anna:'Do you wanna build a snowman?'Those Atlanteans sound nice!I think some company is overdueI've started talking tothe bodies in the ice-(Hang in there, Al!)It gets a little lonelyWith only three peopleAnd this dumb broken clock!(Tic-Tock, Tic-Tock, Tic-Tock, Tic-Tock, CRASH)-*Knocking*Snow Anna:Elsa?Please, I know you're in there,The world asking where you've beenThey say "you're a monster", It's not trueI'm right out here for you, just let me inWe only have each otherPlus Olaf tooWhat are we gonna do?...'Do you wanna build a Snowman?'
>>36129100>>36129239>>36129505Created a pastebin for future threads.We'll probably eventually refine these, but I think this is a really solid base for Social Mechanics that should totally come into the brew.http://pastebin.com/wTLJWdtT
>>36129486He should contest the territory immediately on his borders. Trying to push his luck and all.
>>36129637Kaa? Nah, he's happy as is. Shere Khan sends all the little boys his way.
>>36129589I love itFrozen might not have been the movie with the best execution, but damn if I didn't love Anna. This hits right through the heartYou keep on rocking, Anon
>>36129634OP ADD THIS PASTEBIN TO THE COPYPASTA
>>36129342>have fun fucking elsapfft. Not challenging enough. I'm going for Meg.And you thought ELSA was the Ice Queen...
>>36129027Darn you anon! That bloody song is stuck in my head now!
>>36129634I honestly don't see the need for such a mechanic. It complicates things unnecessarily and changes the TN balance. Perhaps make it an optional rule?
>>36129589I really liked these in the last thread. Please do continue in song or prose!Have some Ice Anna snippets from previous threads:>"How was my performance? Was I convincing?">"There are just so few people around these days who remember what Anna was like, and you knooooooooooooooooooooooow I can't just ask Elsa for pointers on being her sister 'cause then she'll just frump and grump and sulk and drop the temperature another few degrees.">"Ice Queen? More like Draaaaaaaaaaaama Queen!">"I know that I'm not reeeeeeeeeeeally the Snow Queen's sister, Princess Anna of Arendelle, but I look like her.">"And I'm kiiiiiinda made out of her.">"So that's alllllllllllllllmost as good, and you should proooooooooobably listen to my advice before you try and go in there and confront Elsa.">Fake Anna playing pretend with the frozen citizens of Arendelle, posing them at tables, behind the counters of shops, between the snow drifts walking the streets, humming "Do you Wanna Build a Snowman?">Ice Anna pulling a thick book off the shelf in the library and opening it, relating from it the true story of what had happened to Anna, Elsa and Arendelle up until the point one of the party members points out that the book is upside down, and a dictionary.>Oh. Well, yes. I aaaaaaaaam an Ice Golem after all. Like I know how to read! That's just silly."
>>36129701It's a homebrew in itself - If you don't want a mechanic in your own personal game, nothing stopping you from taking it out. I personally like the emphasis it puts on player interaction. It'd probably be more geared towards people who like roleplaying and actually talking to one another instead of just slashing through everything in a faux-DnD.
>>36129577Her powers don't need roles. They are emotion based, so were basically seeing her Psyche
>>36129738Seconded. I think it should be simplified but some sort of reward for alliances built on trust and friendship should be a central mechanic.
>>36129654For some reason the fact he has Christopher Robin in his clutches makes that line a whole lot creepier. I'm pretty sure the latest relationship chart had him allied with the Coachman for some reason too.Also voting Kaa established his kingdom on the village Mowgli was trying to reach just to rub it in Bagheera's face.
>>36129738Okay then, let me give a bit better of a criticism as you seem to be missing the point.This ruleset relies on a few assumptions I'm not sure are true: it assumes that the PCs can have their character relationship defined by numbers, when less often than not it's about the players, not the characters.The bonuses are enormous and oft unspecified as to what they actually do.Shall I go on?
>>36129872Here's the latest chart, most of it's still open for debate.
>>36129872Hey now, Kaa's no pervert. He just prefers eating little boys.
>>36129930>prefers eating the creatures a little boy can imagine upFIFY
>>36129907>It'd be somewhat at GM discretion based off the general shape of two player's relationship, changing whenever they reach a somewhat significant benchmark between the two, with increasing levels more difficult to attain. (I.E. you could get to +2 from just fighting together and working well, +3 from having a "you're a pretty cool guy" moment, +4 from an active decision to help each other and making the decision you like each other, probably would be where friendship/love split, and +5 from an act of true friendship or love)It's already been stated we can further specify and balance later. It's a rough draft, not a final copy, and the number crunching is changeable. Also: >The point of giving such strong bonuses is that, well, it's Disney, but also because they are inherently human (or animal) bonds that can be manipulated and broken, and the penalties when such a thing happens are quite significant as well, turning social dynamics into a large portion of the game.nl pls, at least make valid criticisms
>>36129917A lot of that is silly. Why are Frollo and Jafar allied?Do you have a blank one? I'd like to take a crack at it.
>>36129930No, the little boy is there to make his dinner for him and inflate his ego whenever he gets bored. All of Kaa's subjects are there to inflate his ego in fact.
>>36129998Frollo's marked as hostile to Jafar on that map.What confuses me is that Frollo likes Hans, but dislikes Grimhilde. Hans is a vassal of Grimhilde, though.
>>36129998Check it again, Frollo and Jafar aren't allied, they're openly hostile.But sure, have a crack at it if you want.
>>36129917We might benefit from a 'It's complicated' category for characters who are prepared to ally under the right circumstances.
>>36130037That was more Hans being diplomatic, he's technically ruler of his own independent nation, and despite paying lip service to Frollo, he's under Grimhilde's thumb.
>>36129917The Horned King despises Hades, man.
>>36130037Hans pays the Church lip service in order to keep the Inquisitors away.
>>36130045Problem is that a good chunk of the board would turn "Its complicated". Most of the Villains are capable of striking a temporary deal, even if the both have daggers ready to sink into their partner's back at the end.
>>36130077Arrendalle was representative of post-christian Scandinavia, so it makes sense that Hans would technically be part of the Church.
>>36130074I figured he wouldn't care about the souls, he only wants the bodies for his cauldron-born, leaving Hades all the souls he wants. Subject to change though, if people don't like that.
>>36130045"Distrustful" more or less covers that; they're not friendly, but they'll get together if things are looking bad.
>>36129984+2 is already a big bonus. +4 is insane. Social mechanics, while interesting, should not be added just to be obtuse or people will have their characters become unnaturally chummy with each other because >muh numbers. Moreover, I'm just not sure why it needs to be in. We've already balanced around 3d6+attribute+skill+trait, so I'm unsure why more bonuses need to be added.
>>36130126HK's endgame is to usurp Hades's position and get his hands on all the dead.
>>36130095This is precisely why heroes rising up and taking them out right under their nose is so plausible a scenario. These people are so stubborn, so self-obsessed, and so overconfident that smart players might only need to speak the right words to the right people in order to topple one of them.
>>36130152>Note - 'Party-Related rolls' are any rolls that involve the entire present party, with the large bonuses intending to encourage PCs to do as many things together as possible.come on man all this was already covered
>>36130185Sure, but most of the villains' endgame is to take over the whole world eventually. It's just a matter of patience and false friends.
>>36129079That seems really doable. Really, really doable.
Would there happen to be a collection of all the fluff pieces somewhere? Things like the person talking about why you shouldn't go into the Shadowlands, the President's Fireside Chats, etc?Or would I need to go digging through the whole archive to find all of 'em?
>>36130350Unfortunately the latter until somebody gets around to compiling it all.However, these threads aren't about possible villain-talk that the players will likely never see. It's about creating a game.
>>36129027A little idea i had:The sound of creaking wood fills the chamber as I move down the ancient wooden staircase. My lame leg slowly drags behind, but really, i don't mind. Its been that way for as long as I remember. As it slowly thuds against the ladder, images of the past slowly juggle through my mind, back when I looked down upon it, like it was a sin. Like i was a monster. I remember that night, when I disobeyed my father. How foolish was I then. I remember their screams, their sneering faces, their fainting women. But I forgive them now, for they have found penitentce in my father and his father. I remember how i was hit, and bruised and abused. I remember calling out for help, for forgiveness for my sin. I saw a girl in glittering clothes, standing in a ally. I then saw her run, as the crowds swarmed. It was only by some miracle did i find my escape, a small crack in the wall. There I saw the girl again, this time with another. I followed them deeper and deeper into the earth, my battered misshapen form skulking far beyond their sight.Finally, i reached what seemed to be their home, a ancient crypt filled with life and color. I thought to myself, now was my chance to begin anew, to be reborn. So silly, i think now, that i would try and find baptism without the Lord. But then, I lost them, they disappearing into the crowd. But through what i now know as Gods work, i saw their shadows and whispers. The fool, the beast, the stupid ignorant thing! They cried and laughed. Suddenly, all around me, the devils looked and pointed. I cried out, No! listen! Hear my plight! But the sinners ears are as hard as their heart, and they laughed. I quickly put my hood on as i walk through the halls, to my new life. I look back, as i fled through the catacombs, the dead and devils following me, staying a step ahead infront of the evil creatures thanks to divine above. I remember telling my father of what happned.Cont
>>36130350Good point. It would be nice to have it all collected together, as there has been a fair amount of pretty great fluff generated in all these threads.
>>36130211Okay. Once more, since you seemed to have missed it before.Why.Why do we need this mechanic? There are few if no rolls that involve the entire present party except MAYBE, MAYBE MUSIC, so shouldn't it be just rolled into that, or perhaps a Power based on music? We've nearly got the core game done, so why bother with another kind of pointless mechanic like the debate we had over magic in the last thread? We still need things done before we have a working game, so why tack on even more work because you have a half-assed mechanic idea that doesn't fit the crunch and would require an... interesting degree of player compliance? The following things must still be done before the game is ready to play:Power list for each class, complimenting each specialization (what are these?) (probably 3).Setting-based powers, like something Barter based for Shadowlands PCs, or tech-related for Atlanteans.
>>36130350>>36130445I can hunt through in a little bit here, fluff is more my department anyway.
>>36130185As the guy who's been providing book-based information on the Horned King since thread 2, I can assure you he gives not a shit about souls; he only cares to make the living miserable.
>>36130454Since we have Tiers done, we also need descriptions of what each Skill does and a better description of each Attribute. Equipment also needs to be done properly, not half-assed as it is right now.
>>36130454>Few if no rolls that involve the entire party presenti don't think you understand what that means first of allhint: it's not "everybody's here"and as for why - because it's an interesting mechanic that pushes emphasis into a more unique a disney-like fashion with a stronger focus on roleplay instead of trying to create DnD: disney edition? is that somehow not a good enough reason? and why does other mechanics not being done have anything to do with the creation of a different one?
>>36130389That's a good point, and actually creating this game is always to be the first priority, but it's nice to have some fluff and flavor pieces on the side.
What exactly are the specializations? I am assuming they're not the classes, then what are they?
>>36130523Rules bloat is my ultimate reason to reject this. We're in the final stages of the alpha, and promoting a Disney-like mechanic would be nice, if this felt like that at all. As it stands, it's another + a number mechanic with flimsy justification behind it.
Hey um. I know it was debated on whether or not to include BH6 in this since the tech level is way advanced compared to the rest of the world concepts. But I think it could honestly be included in japan for a particular area. Perhaps that could be the real reason why three major villain groups are all vying for power over it. and with the tech level of atlantis i think its at pleast plausible. Just putting in my two cents is all. Mostly because I just got back from seein the movie and well...all the feels bros. all the feels.
>>36130039Hmm, the trouble I'm noticing is that some relationships aren't equal. For example, I think Elsa is pretty much distrustful of just about everyone but Hades is neutral towards her. He couldn't care less. She's paranoid.We need a bigger chart...
>>36130427I remember the baptism, of not just me. Of paris. I remember the flames, the screams. And by god, the bells. The very bells of notre dame, singing their praise as sinners burned. And my father, he turned to me and said "My lamb, I realize now your purpose is not of that a devil. But tis a blessing in dusguise. Now look upon the flames and be reborn a new in gods light. Be reborn, touched by god." The lights blind me as i exit the church, my tool strapped to my back. The guard now lies on his knees, my father sitting in the shade. I trudge over, the guards blond hair hiding his sin filled eyes. I look out and upon the crowd, their eyes all compelling me on. Sinners blood is for what they thirst, and so shall I open the tap. The axe swings down, gods light and m own satisfaction giving it glorious purpose. I sweep the head from the basic, my heart pumping, blood following down my arms abd fire pulsating through my veins. I scream out in glory "GLORY DEUS VULT PONTIFEX IMMORTALIS. TO MY FATHER AND HIS, BE REBORN IN THEIR LIGHT"Quasimoto is deadTouché par Dieu ia born
>>36130614YES. We get it. The feels are real. Its not showing up until the modern expansion. Get the fuck over it.
>>36130614We are really done with that discussion by now bro, sorry. Pic related.Never ever make decisions based on movies that you like when you have just seem them, they are not going to be smart one
So will a possible Eurocentric campaign involve joining the New Round Table?
>>36130652He wouldn't have been pontifex or immortal yet, but the rest of the story was very good.
>>36130640Yeah. Similarly, Cherno likely views Frollo as a useful pawn, but Frollo might not even be fully aware that Cherno is his true god.
Oh wow people are arguing.>>36130605I fail to see how my mechanic is a "+ number mechanic with flimsy justification behind it". Could you explain? I've specifically explained the reasons behind each bonus, and they're intended to push a certain feel into the game.
>>36130454>The following things must still be done before the game is ready to play:>Power list for each class, complimenting each specialization (what are these?) (probably 3).>Setting-based powers, like something Barter based for Shadowlands PCs, or tech-related for Atlanteans.Actually, the first launch is going to be whenever I can get my group scheduled.They're all interested, and we're going to play the Headless Horseman adventure I set up.I'm working on getting the stats for all my NPCs as we speak. I'm hoping to record the thing, too.
>>36130703I honestly feel that Cherno shouldn't feel anything about anyone. No one Evil is a threat because he is the god of Evil and them whether they like it or not. A God of Evil scheming after 'taking down' the one thing that's a threat to him (God) shouldn't be a thing that exists because it humanizes him. He shouldn't be humanized because he's EVIL INCARNATE.
>>36130759>I'm hoping to record the thing, too.Can't wait. I hope you have a neat rig and you guys aren't too fa/tg/uy
>>36130762Hence he is Hostile to everyone (except some of the equivalent powers like The Firebird).
>>36130732The issue with the mechanic is that it's poorly defined, feels house rule-y with how it's implemented, requires a level of cooperation on the players part to not metagame at all (which is quite difficult for most players) is added late in our development, makes certain assumptions about the players, adds very large, statistics-ruining bonuses at unclear times, and honestly just isn't necessary for most groups.
>>36130460If you feel like taking that project on we'd definitely be appreciative, but don't feel obligated to do it if you don't want to!
>>36130759Will you just be giving them powers or what? That's a core part of everyone's Will points.
>>36130833Indifferent is better but as long as people don't go 'FROLLO A PAWN TO CHERNO ALPHA'. Frollo doesn't need a supernatural reason to be a dick; he already is.>>36130837
Beast King I suppose?> The King: King John of EnglandAfter disposing of the his elder Brother Richard the Lionheart and imprisoning Robin Hood and his Merry men, Prince John seized the crown and with it rule over the remnants of Animal-England. Although he is not a strong military strategist, King John is a master of politics and strategy, making key alliances and exploiting the abilities of his right hand man Sir Hiss to hypnotize those who would oppose into subordination. He is extremely greedy and is primarily concerned with wealth and precious treasures rather than expanding his borders.>The LandJohn rules over the land as a capitalist dictator, aside from the royal castles the land is littered with small impoverished towns where the animal citizens of his realm attempt to make enough to pay taxes. Those who cannot afford to pay their taxes are taken into slavery and forced to work in mines and other physical labour camps. Grandiose castles hold the nobility and those who are in favor with King John. Outside of the settlements and castles, the countryside's temperate forests are rapidly being exploited for their natural resources leaving few places for anyone to hide from the King's Regime.> The Rule: King John exploits all who lives within his realm through extremely high taxes and maintains his rule through the brutish enforcement led by his General, the former Sheriff of Nottingham and Captain Crocodile.He has a large army comprised of trained Guard Rhinoceros, Wolf archers and keen eyed Vulture guardsmen surrounding his castles. He also uses the hypnotism powers of Sir Hiss to keep those who would oppose him in line .If worst come to worst, King John has amassed a large treasury and is able to bribe and barter to further his goals.
>>36129486Posting the latest official map based off this suggestionChanges:>I figured out how to do the line thingy>India to Khan>North east india to Kaa (with sea regions for direct access)>Bagheera contests north India>King Louis contests east India
>>36130837Okay now just saying from observation but dude you have a fetish for statistics.
>>36130909It feels weird for Frollo and Maleficient to have a border which isn't contested.
>>36130640>>36130703Well, here's an alternate version of the chart if you want to give that a go.>>36130683I like 'em, I worked them into one of my fluff stories.
>>36130905England is under the total control of the Horned King. Generally accepted idea is that Prince John fled to the Pridelands and is petitioning Scar to help him reclaim his birthright.Nice ideas in case the Horned King is beaten and John manages to get the crown back though.
>>36130891Eh, he can always treat them as fear-resistance and hero-moment points.
>>36130948That border lies along a mountain range.
>>36130971As the writer of that, I'd like to add his special rule: Paranoia. People of El Dorado are highly suspicious of outsiders, particularly anyone who looks like they're not from the region. Unless you've got a damn good disguise, a visit to a village will likely end at a sacrificial altar.And don't try the god bluff. It won't work.
>>36131044>Hades visits El Dorado>They try and sacrifice him>No really, I'm a fucking god>Nice try, cigar butt. We're not falling for that again.
No, seriously. What ARE the specializations here?
>>36131102MAKE THIS HAPPEN
>>36130837That's a lot of words that have very little meaning or substance. Nothing you just said has any real meaning except for 'stasitics-ruining', and you'd need to back that up with specific examples of how adding in specific, hard-to-get bonuses ruins any of the numbercrunching.
>>36130614I've made the arguements. Anon's mind is set on this one.Just wait till we go to space. Then we'll show em
>>36130891I was going to talk to them about it. Since they're first level, unless one of them really wants to be a magic user, I don't plan on giving them any.The three will/heart points I'm going to be using as re-roll options, for now.
>>36130954Wouldn't having John having at least one last region holdout or castle in England (Nottingham perhaps) be more interesting?
>>36131199We're running out of colors, you know.
>>36131199The problem is that there's no fucking way John can possibly maintain a holdout. The Horned King simply outclasses him by orders of magnitude in every possible way.
>>36131199It doesn't mesh with the Horned King's canon. The Cauldronborn are relentless and spread via Cauldron Fog. The only reason he hasn't marched across the Continent yet is because he has to physically transport the Cauldron Fog over the channel (it doesn't cope well with water). He dominates the British Isles with ease however. Cowardly John fled before him.
>>36131189That's the idea. The Sci fi splat will be Star Wars, Buzz Lightyear, Marvel, treasure planet, wall-e, and the other space/Sci fi things.
>>36131303Not Marvel and very little Star Wars.You forgot Lloyd in Space
>>36130950Archiving all the fluff may take a while, apparently I can only make 10 pastebins per 24 hours. Anyone got any better ideas?
>>36131332put it in a .txt doc and upload it to fileshare/mediafire/wherever?
>>36131331>>36131303What about the Muppets?
>>36131332Google docs or 1d4chan?
>>36130950After having a go, I decided to rate pretty much everyone evil with Neutral for the Horned King. Who would he be Hostile towards? I think maybe the Aurora, since it's not evil per se and it might be one of the few entities to contest him power-wise.
>>36131358Meant Cherno, not the King.
>>36131358Well, don't forget that it goes both ways. The Horned King might not be hostile to the Pontifex, but you KNOW that Frollo has a happy vision of the Cauldronborn all a-flame.
>>36131351They're on Pleasure Island performing for The Coachman.>IIIIIII've got no strings to hold me down
>>36131354Google doc works, I guess, I'll give that a try.>>36131358Most of the beasts would probably be untrustworthy, the more good ones like Bagheera would actively hate him.
>>36131387Same point. I think we had a bit of fluff that said that Hades wouldn't mind seeing Chernoblublub bite the dust.
>>36130950>>36130039>>36129917There's an awful lot of red, to the point of it being slightly meaningless.Maybe at an "at war," to distinguish abject hatred from full conflict or rivalries.Like, for example, the Carnotauri and the Elite Hunter's club. Eternal rivals. Should be given some special representation.
>>36131244Pretty sure there's more than ~30 colors.>>36131249>>36131269Yeah, that does make sense. It's better to keep the Horned King as the absolute ruler, otherwise Madame Mim would probably have a bit before John would. I was simply going on the fact that Mor'du had managed to maintain a foothold in Scotland.
>>36131409Jafar probably isn't too fond of him either.
>>36131390Or maybe>IIIIII've got no limbs to hold me up
>>36131409I meant more, would Cherno be hostile to people who he didn't have any sway over (je Bagheera or Rourke) or would he only recognize entities in his weight class, like the Firebird?
>>36131119Specializations are per class.Strongman: I heard Knight as in a mounted soldier be suggested, along with Champion for a armored footman, and a Brawler for a Brawl focused Strongman.For Nimble guys I heard Acrobats, Thieves, and Sharpshooters.For Smart guys I heard Sage (scholar?) Alchemist, and Mechanic.For Sensible guys I'm not sure. Priests? Doctors? For Charismatic guys, we have Musicians, Charmers, and something else.
Could Jafar and Queen La be allied? Is she Islamic? I know she's not East African but it might be a nice pairing.
>>36131136You fail to justify why it needs to be in, instead of a vague suggestion to the GM that perhaps they should grant bonuses if the players are particularly in sync, or penalties if they're arguing. Why do we need to put in a mechanic for this?
>>36131468>one plot hook could be trying to crash Jafar and Queen La's political marriage.
>>36131453Charismatic: Musicians, Rogues and Diplomats.
>>36131480Queen La's appearance in Tarzan involved her trying to take him as a mate because he was a perfect physical specimen. I don't think she'd be too terribly interested in Jafar even from a political standpoint.It would make for interesting international dynamics though, as Rourke considers the former Atlantean colony of Opar as rightful Republic clay
So Cedric the Sorcerer and Princess Ivy Have rule over Enchancia right?
>>36131331I only mention Marvel because people want to add Big Hero 6. While it's an animated movie it is a Marvel property. Also cause after Chernabog I think a good next step would be Thanos, but that's just me.
>>36131602Tarzan was shot and killed by Clayton. La never met him. Just make her a closet muslim and have her union with Jafar be about uniting the Sunni Caliphate across Africa and the Middle East.Nice call on Rourke though.
While the thread is hopping, I'd like people's opinion on the Beast Species statistics. Any complaints/questions? http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWj
>>36131657I am utterly and completely opposed to anything that is part of the MCU or the main Marvel comic canon. They just don't belong in the same world.I feel similarly about Star Wars but I can begrudgingly cope with a few references to it while the actual Star Wars setting is far, far away.
>>36131303The villains from Lilo & Stitch also I assume?
>>36131716And Jumba, who doesn't get a chance of redemption in this setting. he continues to be a mad scientist.
>>36131690Those look pretty greatThe traits are all available for purchase, or all already from the beginning?
>>36131660Honestly she doesn't even need to be a closet Muslim. They're both pragmatic enough to do it fore solely political reasons.
>>36129027>Jafar has the tin ear trait Humiliate The Boy - Deleted Song From "Aladdin": http://youtu.be/W9vXZncjGvk
>>36131453So they aren't anything oficially mechanic, only flavor choices? If you decide to focus on Brawl you call yourself a champion, if you get on a horse, a knight? Also, for the Sensible guys... Empath, Doctor, and...dunno, Keepers?
>>36131986I think they're attached to the species, and take up two of your three starting traits. If you want to exchange them, ask the GM.
added a new color to the Alliance/War chart to help remove some of the red. Yellow is 'don't like and would strangle for a bent pin, but will deal with if necessary.'Red is basically 'HUNT TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND DIE IF IT MEANS I CAN TAKE THEM WITH ME!'
>>36132084So why is the Coachman listed as hostile to the Shikigami? Why would they care about each other?Also, I can't imagine Rourke wouldn't be at least distrustful toward the guy.
>>36132071Got it, noice.
>>36132227Shikigami doesn't care. Shikigami HATES.
>>36132227the shikigami are hostile to everyone that's not a friend, since they're more a force of nature I decided to leave them as either friendly/neutral or KILLDIEKILL
>>36132084Minor nitpick: Rourke would probably be Hostile towards Yzma and Tzekel-Kan, as both border the Panama Canal Zone. Also, it's really weird for Frollo to be Allied with Hans and At War with Grimhilde when Hans is a vassal of Grimhilde. I suppose they might be secretly plotting together, but I don't think Hans is stupid enough to plot against someone who is effectively all-knowing.
>>36132227The Coachman basically provides slaves to people. It's more mutual profit than genuine trust.Take Jafar. He's a pretty fucking underhanded guy, but he keeps the money and goods flowing, so he's rightfully green with most factions.What's a little spying or skirmishes between friends?
>>36132084I think Kan should be hostile to Frollo, given that they're both zealots for their own religion and that Kan is the reason Mesoamerica isn't under the Church.
>>36132271When I was moving colors around I only gave thought when I was changing the red squares, I also noticed that Maleficent and HK are Distrustful instead of At War as well.>>36132304I changed them to Hostile because no doubt that would be the case... if they ever met. But they barely know the other exists and have other, more important things to take care of than bashing in the head of a guy across the ocean
So Alameda Slim has no place in this canon at all?;_;
>>36132395His pants are too big for this setting.
>>36132395Nigga where you been, he got all the Southwest.
>>36132084Looks fine to me.>>36131394Okay, I think I got all of the story fluff. Right now it's just in order of post, may need to be reorganized later.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8
>>36132395We nerfed him out after he yodel-hypnotized the firebird and one-shotted chromobugle
>>36131432I imagined that was because those were the Highlands and Cauldron fog would have trouble going uphill.
>>36132457Or it's possible some kind of ward was put in place..
>>36132442Is he really not in the setting anymore?I wanted to play a COWBOY DINOSAUR, and that's the only place I can see it coming from.
>>36132523Of course hes still here.
>>36132523He is in the setting, it's just a part that's not really talked about much because there isn't much to talk about.Unless you want to add in Rango as another honorary Disney film. It doesn't change the map at all since the plot was just to create a resort town.
>>36132523No, he's still sitting pretty and happy. I've never seen a version of the map without him.Honestly, Slim is the real success story here. The fact that the villain of one of the least-liked Disney films ever can be a major factor of the setting is pretty dang impressive.
>>36132556More like we've talked as much as we possibly could. We've established his realm fairly well, and have set him up to be a actual threat. We actually have more fluff about Slim than Scar.
>>36132574Well, it obviously pays to be one of the few animated characters from the only other movie set in the West. Plus, who doesn't love a Yodelin desperado who rides a dinosaur via exploiting Disney princess animal singing magic?
>>36132643>Sing? Little-bitty snot nosed children sing>Alameda slim yodels, and yodelin' IS AN ART
>>36132395You know, i heard from a few threads ago, Slim has the four big American tall Tales heros as Rough riders, Johnny apple seed, Casey johns, Paul Bunion and Pecos bill. Maybe we should work on them a bit? Because together, I could see them actually being some what comparable to Hades Titans
So the Hand of Midas lives in the vanishing isle, which itself usually lives under the sea.Seems to me that it's a pretty natural target for Rourke, if he finds out about it
Changes made:Maleficent now Warring with HKHK Warring with HadesDinosaur made Hostile to any without ties to nature or Cherrybod (too scary to bite, basically)Rourke now Hostile with Yzma and Kan, Distrustful of CoachmanFrollo Hostile with Hans (Yes he's Warring with his overlord, but as >>36130077 said, lipservice has been paid)
>>36132697Pecos, I can see, but Johnny, Casey, and Paul are too nice to be bandit rough riders. Casey in particular - Slim ROBS trains, he doesn't ride them.
Does the Nautilus still prowl the depths of the seas?
Okay, here's another concept character:Billy SlickSize Large (Allosaurus) Agile GuyROBUSTNESS: 10/14Agility: 12/12Intelligence: 6Sensibility: 6Charm: 8Skills: Ranged: 3Travel 1Linguistics (Human) 1Intimidate 1Prevent Harm 1Endure 1Brawl 1 (+4 more due to racial traits)Music (yelling harmonically): 1Traits: Impossible Strength: +2 to Strength capBonecruncher: Ignore armor on Brawl rolls.Bull Charge: +2 to Brawl when charging into combat.Don't you disrespect me little man!: +3 to Intimidate if this character or anyone in their party has taken a Social Strike this scene.Natural weapons: Maw and SmashPowers:Tyrant's Roar: Spend a Will Point to gain +10 to an Intimidate roll, and it affects everyone within a hundred meters instead of one target.Ride'm!: No matter if it be some strange horse or a bony fish or an even bigger lizard, Billy Slick is capable of riding anything able to carry his massive weight.Heroic Sights: When fighting with a Revolver, Billy Slick may spend a Will point to gain a +5 roll to hit a specific target (i.e, knocking the weapon out of someone's hands.)Ideals:Heroically shoot things.Ride something, animal or machine.Stop bandits and outlaws.Goals: Ride a Tyrannosaurus Rex from MadagascarShut down the Old West Hunting League branch.Deal a crushing blow to the Shadowlands.Tell me what you think.>>36132617Sorry, I'm tired and all the stuff I should have done for this thread isn't done yet... i need to go back to editing 1d4chan...
>>36132755Live-action Disney characters rarely get a showing unless they're filling a distinct niche. Might be in a splatbook, but Nemo's not a man for big world-changing events anyway.
>>36132784I would imagine he is trying to liberate India from beast oppression
>>36132769Did you make a goddamn cowboy Allosaurus?That is.. I can't...I think Yzma said it best.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ke87AhXxag
>>36132748True, but if you look at it from the view of the Rough Riders being the bandit-sheriffs of the west, it kinda works. Besides, Pecos Bill is bad ass enough on his own. Fucker wrassled a Tornado
WHERE IS THE SINGINGNEEDS MORE SINGINGMUSICALS
>>36132821Who knows how he draws and holds that revolver.>>36132829Music skill gives bonuses to your allies, and I'm working on some Powers using Music Song Combat.
>>36132697You can also use Rico the bounty hunter, who was also from Home on the Range.
>>36132748>>36132826They're not all Rough Riders, the Rough Riders are Slim's personal guard. The 4 American Tall Tales are his border guard, basically, Paul Bunyan up north, Pecos Bill west, Casey Jones east and Johnny Appleseed south.
>>36132851That makes more sense. I'd imagine (with the exception of Pecos) it'd be more of a "better you than them" situation, though.
>>36132851I just can't see Johnny anywhere near Mexico, wouldn't it make more sense to have him West and Bill in the South?
>>36132875Johnny never really made it out west, though I guess it would make more sense for him to be east, usin' apples and the good word to help deal with Facilier's shadows.
>>36132851Ah, I see. Casey jones is the only man brave or stupid enough to run a train through the shadowlands to Virginia . They say the bastard rips down the tracks so fast, even facillier's friends have difficulty keeping up.Paul Bunion: hes a woodsman by heart, and rumors say that he is human manifestation of the Aurora BorealisPecos Bill: Perhaps the most legendary, his exploits have ranged from digging the grand canyon to wrassling a Tornado. Hes next goal? Take down the Fire bird. And if any man can do it, that man is Bill.
Atlantis/Frozen writefag here again. Managed to find a break inbetween midterms, and I managed to eke something out. You guys interested?
>>36132904Bring on the fluff!
>>36132904that is a dumb question
What about The Thief and the Cobbler? Disney technically distributed it at one point, even if it's now universally regarded as the worst version of the film. Does Zigzag get a piece of the action, maybe as one of Jafaar's vassals? Or maybe One Eye, as a barbarian civilization Agrabah just about stamped out.
Will the Queen of Hearts from Wonderland be making incursions into the real world?
>>36132904We're always interested.>>3613293No.
>>36132904My only suggestion is to turn up the lethality of Arendelle(the air freezes there) and add in Ice!Anna.
>>36132919>>36132920>>36132942>>36132932Taking that as a yes, then!--A crisp morning greeted Thach’s squad as they walked down one of the access ramps leading to the base camp. A tent city had sprung up overnight, the fruits of the engineering and logistic teams’ efforts, servicing any and all of the soldiers’ needs. A long, open-ended canvas structure bordered one end of the campsite, allowing for trucks, jeeps, and light tanks to be refueled and rearmed. A cluster of tents toward the center served as the main camp hub, providing food, warmth, and shelter. Neat rows of smaller tents dotted the right side, temporary living for the work crews that had worked arduously under the light of the waxing moon.Thach and her squad stepped to the side as a bulldozer rumbled down the access ramp onto the waiting snow. She breathed deep, savoring the slight warmth the sun provided against the cold snow. “Feels good to be getting some fresh air and stretch our legs,” she said.“I’m just glad we don’t have to eat any more of what Cookie passes off as ‘food’,” Zoe shuddered. “One more day of biscuits and beans and I would have stuffed the man’s ladle down his throat. And all that lard—”“Little bit o’lard never killed nobody,” Lahey chuckled. “Cookie’s a good chef, but his cornbread needs some work.” “And that’s why I like you, Zeke,” Womack said, hopping down onto the ice. “Never heard ya say a bad word about anyone that didn’t deserve it.”
>>36132930If she can link up the Cheshire Cat's shortcuts in time, she sends her forces through to the real world. She wants Alice back in Wonderland so she can use the girl's dreaming abilities for herself. Alice is terrified of going back to Wonderland though, so she's taken refuge with the Elite Global Huntsmen's Club, who have agreed because there's no shortage of strange beasts for them to slaughter while defending her.
>>36132956Bernadette Leroy looked across the whole squad, tilting her head. “Hey Captain—where’s our diplomatic tagalong?”“Miss Beckett will be meeting us at the staging area—said she needed to make some ‘last minute’ wardrobe changes,” Thach said, using air quotes around the words “last minute”.“Ten bucks says she’s wrapped up like a marshmallow,” Tyresse grinned, ducking his head to dodge an errant snowball.Kavita sneezed, her cheeks flushed. “Cap, why’d you detail us out into the middle of the fucking tundra, anyway?”“Cold bothering you, Kavita?” Thach called back.“I was just wondering why we couldn’t have contracted out to somewhere a little bit warmer—like anti-piracy operations under contract with the East India Company or shipping lane security around the horn of Africa,” Kavita adjusted the rifle holstered on her right shoulder.“Anti-piracy is only fun when you actually run into pirates—and even then, it’s more of a turkey shoot than a straight-up fistfight when you can just lance their ship with a bolt of lightning and break it in half,” Thach answered matter-of-factly. “Besides, aren’t you a fan of adventure?”“I’m a fan of living to actually spend my paycheck!” Kavita turned to the Chinese mountain walking next to her. “C’mon, Pan, don’t you agree with me? Wouldn’t you rather be giving pirates the business than playing babysitter?”
>>36132959I like the sound of that.What about Oz?Disney has made a few Oz movies and I feel like they would mesh well as one of the realms accessible from Earth.I'm just thinking of a war between the Witches of Oz and the Queen of Hearts of Wonderland now.
>>36132972“I will manage.” The Chinaman grunted, hefting the enormous power pack on his back. “And so will you.” He patted the shorter Indian girl on the head.Kavita sighed. “Thanks anyway, ya big lug.” Pan grunted in reply.The squad’s ramblings had brought them to the base camp’s staging area, a patch of ice facing outwards to the city of Arendelle proper. Two trucks and a loose collection of soldiers awaited the six-man team, milling about, smoking, or making small talk. Lieutenant Jun Aramaki grinned as he saw the form of his commanding officer walk toward him. “Well,” he clicked his tongue, smiling. “I almost thought you weren’t going to come.”“Please, and let you have all the glory?” Thach returned the smile, embracing her XO. “Got your team ready?”“To a man,” Jun said. “We’ll be right behind ya every step of the way.”“Good, good.” Allyson nodded.Jun craned his head around Thach, counting the number of heads. “So where’s the, uh—”“Uniform difficulties.”“Ah.” Jun sealed his lips into a thin line, breathing through his nose. He rocked back and forth on the heels of his toes. “So, uh, great weather, eh?”Thach smiled at Jun. “You’re terrible at small talk, you know that?”
>>36132982It's unlikely, but we'd have to consider it carefully. Right now the other worlds are in sets of threes.Three good other worlds: Wonderland, Neverland, Hundred Acre Wood.Three bad other worlds: The Underworld, The Locker and The Other SideSome of the more planar-aware villains are trying to take control of the good other worlds, like Facilier.
Where (if anywhere) does the island of naboombu fit into all of this? Substitutiary Locomotion seems like a pretty nifty trick to have on hand.
>>36133006“Yeah, well,” Jun nervously chuckled. “How’s your sister?”“She asked about you in her last letter. Said you looked really nice in your dress uniform.” Thach’s smiled turned into a full-blown grin at that. “Really admired your ‘trim shoulders’.” She giggled.“Trim shoulders.” Jun clicked his tongue. “Never gotten that one before.”He would have gone on if it weren’t for the sudden interruption created by the entrance of what might have passed for a woman if she weren’t smothered by several layers of thick clothing. “My word, you people get up so early!” Catherine said, words muffled under a thick scarf. “I hope I hadn’t kept you waiting too long.”“Not too terribly long at all, Miss Beckett,” Thach said. “Though I must ask what on earth you are wearing.”“You look like a marshmallow with legs,” Jun interjected.“What? We’re going up a mountain, aren’t we?” Catherine flapped her arms. “Who’s to say I won’t be needing a parka, a sweater, a thick turtleneck, and a scarf about my face—all of that over my thermals? Frostbite is dangerous, I’ll have you know!”“Can you even pull your own arms down?” Thach had to hold herself back from laughing.“It’s very difficult.” Catherine said dejectedly. “But no matter! Let us be off! To adventure and fortune!”The pair of squadleaders watched the emissary waddle over to the trucks before looking back at each other. “She seems fun.” Jun smiled.Thach shot her XO a look. “Don’t you even start.”
>>36133057That one was kind of up in the air, it'd been discussed as a hideout for Prince John after being evicted from England by the Horned King, but I don't think it was ever put on the map.
>>36133059Quick question: is Captain Thach Milo Thach's daughter?
>>36133059>“Yeah, well,” Jun nervously chuckled. “How’s your sister?”> “How’s your sister?”>sisterOh, those poor bastards. Somebody's gonna say something and get thoroughly iced.
>>36133059I'll be taking a break here, guys--gotta take a shower and maybe grab some dinner. Be back in a pinch!
>>36133121I have a quick little ideaThe fake Anna convinces the team shes the real one, and shit goes down because of it
>>36132748Then they're sympathetic villain lieutenant guys. So mid-tier shonen/kung-fu movie villains, basically. But in the Old West.
>>36133153She's made of ice, you know. Not exactly the most convincing of impostors.
>>36133168Well, i assume they don't know much. Besides, she is claiming to be sister of the Snow Queen.
How the fuck is the timestream supposed to even theoretically work?Characters like Elsa would be dead by the time Rourke was born.
>>36133211Time cataclysm. The times aren't relative to history but rather all shortly after the villains win-- even if it should be centuries apart.
>>36133015So I just need to come up with two other planes to make three neutral realms? How is a Queen of Heart controlled wonderland still a good realm? >>36133078I like that idea.
>>36133211Generally there are two explanations.- Various characters have devised means of becoming immortal (Rapunzel hair, undeath, Atlantean crystals, general magic).- Time has been severely mucked with by all the magic and science being thrown around.- Shut up and ride your dinosaur.
>>36133211Chernabog threw everything out of whack when he gave God the boot. He crafted the most evil and chaotic world he could to help cement his power.>>36133238It technically was a good realm, but the Queen of Hearts has taken over since Alice is too afraid to set things right.As for Oz, I dunno, you'd have to wait for the Cartographer and a couple of the other settings guys to get back on, I'm mainly here for fluff.
>>36131468>>36131480What if Queen La actually loved him whilst Jafar only cared for the political advantage
>>36133238>queen of hearts wonderlandIt's not the Other Side, or hell, or Davy Jones Locker.
>>36133274Why such binary morality?
>>36133350Because those places are Very Bad. North Korea would be a Good realm by comparison if only by magnitude.Also, this is Disney. Get a bit more youthful in your thought process.
>>36129027>the Horned KingSorry, I just had to give props for this.Best Disney villain ever.
>>36133274I personally feel that the only way you can enter wonderland is ethier by alice or deep sleepwhich is why it would be so difficult to have in this, as wonderland would basically be a 1 in a million plothook or would only involve 1 player unless you pulled an Inception
Atlantean writefag here. Back with snacks and fresh from a cold shower!>>36133092I've been debating this question for awhile. When picking names for the characters, I had two lists to grab from: XCOM soldier names--Zoe, Liang, and Bernadette were part of my last few playthroughs--and famous generals and TV show characters. Thach came from the latter, and it was only after I started writing that I realized that it was the same as the protagonist from the movie. All that being said, my answer to the question is I'm leaving it to the audience to decide if she's the offspring of the movie's intrepid archaeologist, though my position may change as the story goes along.
congratulations you will be turned into a skellington the painless way when we find you
>>36133482Milo's last name was Thatch, actually. Close enough to leave one wondering, still.
>>36133449>>36133490sorry about that i had to re-kill the messanger
>>36129027Is it too late to suggest new villains? I have a write up of a good one that I haven't seen mentioned and didn't type out until today. Xanatos from Gargoyles
>>36133562>Xanatos from GargoylesWe're sticking to Disney villains at the moment with two exceptionsbut feel free to type him up and include him as optional content.
>>36133562I'm not sure how I feel about a modern New York City when Radcliffe is supposed to still be in power over nearly the whole of east North America.The mood should generally be fantastical instead of an attempt at cashing in on the success of Batman TAS.
>>36133562canthe already won
What happened to Phoebus, Quasimodo and Esmeralda? I assume Phoebus just got executed with the entire Gypsy population of Europe and Esmeralda was forced to marry Frollo (Who really shouldn't be a lich). I guess Quasimodo just got executed too?
>>36133619Gargoyles IS a Disney series>>36133644We have already established that time is borked, and gargoyles was fantastical as hell. With that in mind:>King: David Xanatos – All according to plan.>For all appearances, Xanatos is merely a normal (if exorbitantly wealthy) man who controls a single city with a small but well respected army. Yet he wields power all out of proportion to his humble appearances. His supposed master, Govenor Radcliffe, allows him almost total autonomy and consults him on all important decisions, Doctor Facilier is said to owe at least two big favors, Queen Maleficient is rumored to bow and curtsey to him, and even Ultrapowerful entities like the Firebird have been seen inexplicably altering their paths to avoid destroying him or his projects, although none of these things can be definitively proven. >Land: New York city – Crossroads of the world>New York is accorded neutral territory, recognized by all world powers (at least the ones capable of rational thought). Representatives from the various empires can often be seen near the rebuilt United Nations building. Peace in this diverse environment is strictly enforced by the hulking Gargoyles- some are flesh and blood, some are wholly Robotic, and some are power armored humans, but all utterly devoted to Xanatos. >It also boasts a technology level second only to Atlantis, and its lucky citizens enjoy a standard of living most normal people of the Villains Victorious world can only dream of, with numerous luxuries like running water, electricity and air conditioning commonly available.
>>36133508That "t" notwithstanding, I'm still leaving it up for grabs--keeps things loose.That being said, back into it!–It was not long before two trunks trundled up and over the ice, in the direction of the harbor-city of Arendelle proper. Thach’s squad was in the lead truck, Jun’s was in the chasing truck. The town came into greater detail as the pair of trucks steadily got closer and closer. The castle looked to be in remarkable shape—ice caked over the windows and snow had caused the roof to fall in in several places, but the castle overall remained relatively intact.Catherine bounced in her seat as the truck rumbled over another small bump. He eyed the rest of the squad with her in the back of the truck. The French woman—Bernadette, was that her name, she thought—was thumbing through rosary beads with her right hand, lips moving wordlessly. The large Chinese man she knew as Liang was sleeping, seemingly unmoved by the bumps of the ride. Kavita had her eyes downcast, drumming her fingers along the stock of her rifle. Womack fished a pack of cigarettes from a coat pocket on his uniform. Captain Thach produced a lighter from one of her pockets, asking for another cigarette. The Australian girl—Zoe, she knew her name for sure—was looking out the back of the truck.
>>36133888>Rule: Xanatos is a merchant first and foremost and will be receptive to any deal or trade that benefits him in some way, and by the time he finises discussing a deal it will usually benefit him. He seeks immortality for himself and will do and pay much for even a small clue to attaining it, but is also deeply concerned for his city and its citizens and will not do anything that puts them at risk.>Players on good terms with Xanatos will have a reliable place to buy information, sell artifacts, or arrange meetings with even the most powerful individuals. Players on bad terms with Xanatos will find the difficulty of their journey multiplied as supplies become scarce, neutral groups become hostile and even staunch allies have their power or loyalty undermined. >Xanatos cannot be defeated directly and all outcomes of any situation he is involved in leave him at least as well off as when he started. Examples: if the players “kill” him, his corpse is discovered to be a robotic duplicate designed to study their abilities; if the players convince him to attack a mutual enemy they will find his army already prepped and ready to go; if the players steal a powerful magic item from him it will turn out to belong to the Horned king, who will stop at nothing to get it back; and so on.Players who complain that he is a mary sue will discover their work/school schedule changed in such a way that they must leave the game
>>36133871most likely...wait frollos a lich now?>>36133619also in regards to Xanatos, since he pretty much won.surely if anything hed be a fellow hero if this franchise was in the setting.ethier that or his hideaway home is the location of The Hunters club and he merelt runs the club as an entreprenurial hobby.
>>36133871Why would Quasimodo be executed? He's Frolo's favorite son.Esmerelda still died, and Frollo is a lich because PONTIFEX IMMORTALIS FROLLO sounds better than Pope Frollo.>>36133888It's modern-day. The closest we have to modern-day is the Princess and The Frog. Moreover, we removed DOOM and DOOMTOWN for being too small and irrelevant, but especially due to being out of character, such as it is, for the setting.Or, Cherrybomb just flies down and destroys him for being a smug shit.
>>36133895The pair of trucks rolled to a stop by one of the smaller docks, both squads dismounting quickly. Thach rallied both teams as they dismounted. “Orders here are simple,” she said. “My team will search the castle, Jun’s team will search the town. Anything shows the slightest inkling of hostility, you blast it. After we get done here, we’ll be able to bring in armor, establish a more permanent forward base. Everyone got that?” A chorus of affirmatives all around answered. “Good—let’s get to it.”“My guys, let’s go!” Jun led his squad away in one direction, Thach led hers in another.Kavita was on point as they started to shuffle across the causeway to the castle, Bernadette right behind her. Zoe, toward the rear of the formation, grimaced as she looked about. “There’s not even any birds out,” she muttered. “It’s a fucking graveyard.” “More like a pet sematary,” Womack quipped, scanning the rooftops with his rifle.Catherine gasped as they crossed the causeway. “It’s incredible is what it is.” She extended her arm and walked backwards as the squad crept along. “During the coronation ceremonies for the new royalty, this causeway would be packed with dignitaries from as far off as Corona!”Ezekiel cocked his eyebrow. “Are you supposed to be our emissary or a tour guide?”“I would have guessed cultural anthropologist,” Bernadette piped up.
>>36133919Yeah, Chernoborg is his god nowAnd Xanatos runs the WORLD as an entrepreneurial hobby.
>>36133888are we stating that xanatos is secretly good or just plain bad herebecause thats a huge point to consider if there is one safe zone for heroesalso are the gargoyles willingly doing this.and most importantly is he still married to fox?
>>36133888>>36133562>>36133908This has potential for the modern/sci-fi splat. Keep it around, and once we get to that bring it back up
>>36133938“Hold up.” Kavita stopped the formation in place right before the castle gates, a thin layer of frost covering them. “Pan, get over here—let’s see if we can force the gates open.”“Roger that.” The Chinaman holstered the prototype’s nozzle and stepped forward to the door beside Kavita.Kavita placed both her hands on the door. “Ready?” Pan nodded in turn. “On three. One, two—!” The doors pushed inward with surprising ease, the metal joints creaking from years of misuse. A small amount of dust flitted down from the top of the gate as the doors slammed back.Another pair of doors presented themselves. “These must be the inner doors to the courtyard,” Catherine said. “And across from the courtyard should be the castle keep proper. The castle courtyard served as an outside assembly room for whenever the king and queen entertained—”“Save the history lesson please, Miss Beckett,” Thach said. “Liang, Kavita—if you’d be so kind.”
I just realized that like 90% of the Disney Princes would get called mary sues by fa/tg/uys when this guy >>36133871 mentioned Phoebus.
>>36133989Your character is a mary-sue in this world by definition due to your survival. You'll have few if any character flaws and generally be good at a lot of things, and even if you did have a character flaw by the end of your adventure it'll be overcome.>>36133962That'd be difficult seeing as he's contending with some real powers that can't be manipulated, and powers like the Other Side, Hades, Shishigami, the Animal Kings, Chernabog, the Dark One that just can't be reasoned with or manipulated.
>>36133989well duh thats the entire point, every prince bar pheobus, alladin and (guy from frozen havent seen it) were generic romantic fuck toys
>>36134025Kristoff was the guy in frozen. There wasn't one for Elsa.Ryder wasn't a generic fuck toy.
>>36133983Unfortunately, the second set of doors didn’t relent. Pan gave two solid raps on the door. “Frozen shut,” he growled. He unclipped the nozzle attached to the power pack on his back. The pack itself resembled the offspring of a power transformer and a radio backpack. A pair of squat, short insulators jutted from the top of the pack. Thick, black tubing led from the side of the pack down to the “wand”, the repurposed nozzle from a flamethrower. The barrel had been cut down for only one pistol grip, a second, overhand grip placed behind the flared-out nozzle, shaped like the bell on a trumpet.“Um, what’s he about to do?” Catherine looked on quizzically as the squad gave the heavy weapons specialist plenty of space, Thach pushing the diplomat herself back.“Somethin’ I wanted to do,” Womack muttered.“Stand clear!” Liang barked out behind him, right hand’s index finger locking back on the primary trigger. The insulators along the back of the pack slowly began to glow blue, plasma arcing between the gaps of their ribbed surfaces. The man’s left hand took a firm grip of the overhand grip. Pan inhaled, steadied his footing, and pulled back the valve.
>>36133888>>36133908This has potential, but I'd like to either keep it out of core for right now or somehow make the city an extension of Atlantis what with the level of tech we're dealing with.
>>36129194With Kaa we decided to go more off his character from the jungle book story rather than from the movie. Rule of cool and all. Plus I mean he's a giant python with hypnotic abilities, he could be a great villain if he wasn't relegated to the goofy role he was in the movie.
>>36134060The world flashed blue and a bolt of lightning screamed out from the wand, impacting the frozen door and instantaneously splintering it. Liang throttled the overhand grip back as the bolt snaked its way into the courtyard, a thunderclap rocking the castle as he did. He smiled as the weapon spooled down, walking back to his comrades. “The path is clear,” he said simply.“Well I’m certainly sure that R&D will be ecstatic in learning their latest prototype shall be the bane of doors everywhere.” Zoe chuckled as the squad moved through the gates and into the courtyard proper.The years of neglect had shown clearly. Snow had piled considerably in the corners, creating slopes so high they reached the tops of the walls bordering the open space. The fountains so proudly on display had broken apart from years of misuse. The squad filed in quick and quiet, but immediately were halted by what they saw. “Mother of mercy,” Thach breathed.Statues. Ice statues. Men, women, and children. They were scattered throughout the courtyard, stopped in mid-action. Faces set in terror. Some were buried in the snow that blanketed parts of the courtyard; others had been broken apart or were shattered. The squad filtered out in the courtyard, checking on the individual statues. “Were these...people?” Kavita asked, getting face-to-face with a woman posed like she was ice-skating.“Oh man, this just took a really bad turn.” Womack grit his teeth.
>>36133935Nah, he took Peter the Second as his Pope name.
If Xanatos is around So is Shego out there somewhere?All the Darkwing Duck villains ?
>>36133962>And Xanatos runs the WORLD as an entrepreneurial hobby.Nah. Xanatos was a brilliant schemer when he was the only brilliant schemer around.He's got actual competition in this setting, so he's probably only slightly ahead of the curve.Again, I still don't think he should be used in the core game unless we make some drastic changes to New York and the circumstances of its existence.
>>36134128Please, god no. We're so late in development for the core game...
>>36133971>is Xanatos secretly good or just plain bad? You never watched the show, did you? He's closer to lawful neutral than anything. He will keep his word and he will honor his deals to the letter, but even gods can't help you if you piss him off. The zone is only "safe" so long as the players play by his rules. They can't even attack, say, their own personal worst enemy if they happen to walk by. Either the original clan swore loyalty to him or he has been raising eggs he found on his own. The man faced Lord Oberon without blinking to keep his family together, I think his home life is pretty safe.
>>36134106Pan growled, sneering as he prodded the statue of a servant who appeared to holding his rotund belly in pain.“No way these things were carved.” Zoe carefully examined the look of terror on a woman’s face, body backed up against a pillar, extended arm having fallen off years ago.“Bernadette, get over here!” The French woman sprinted across the courtyard at Thach’s call. Thach dialed in the frequency for Jun’s squad and depressed the transmitter. “Jun, this is Thach, copy?”A moment passed. “We’re reading you Allyson. Got trouble on your end? Over.”“Negative. We’ve just encountered these weird statues in the castle. They look way too detailed to have been crafted by human hands and they’re fucking everywhere. Over.”“We’ve seen them, too. Like fucking Pompeii—this entire city’s been halted in a single moment. Over.”“That’s the thing—some of the statues we’re seeing look like they’ve been...posed.”“Posed?”“Some weird shit’s going down out here, Jun. Keep on guard—I’m gonna relay this information to the Bellerophon. Over.”“Roger—stay safe out there, Captain. Out.”“You too, Lieutenant. Over and out.” Allyson then dialed in the frequency to the Bellerophon. “Bellerophon, this is Grizzly. Do you read? Repeating—this is Grizzly to AES Bellerophon.”“We’re reading you loud and clear out there, Grizzly.” Admiral Swearengen’s voice buzzed over the comm. “What’s your status, over?”
>>36133871>>36133935Wait, so Quasimodo is alive? This pleases me.
Oh hey, she is in the castle! Neat. Gotta say, so far you're doing as well for Arendelle as you have for the Atlantean team. Keep it up anon, you're doing the President's work.
>>36134195Well, it's not definitive (because nothing is really, just go back through the threads -- i alone tend to get into an argument with someone about once a thread over something stupid) but at the moment the public opinion is that he's alive and a magicked servant of the PONTIFEX IMMORTALIS.
>>36134149A pause.“Bellerophon copies all. We’ll be prepping a third team to check on the statues promptly. Continue your sweep and relay any other unusual activity. Bellerophon out.”Thach let go of the radio receiver, running a hand through her hair. She looked to her left, seeing what appeared to be a mother and daughter set in ice, the mother clutching her daughter close, shielding her eyes from whatever horror perpetuated the atrocity. “This is some real horror story shit we’ve gotten ourselves into, Bernadette.”The French woman sighed. “Like we’ve walked into a tomb, ma’am.” The squadleader pinched the bridge of her nose with her thumb and forefinger, inhaling deeply. She caught her squad’s attention with a high-pitched whistle. “Alright, guys, stop oogling the statues—we gotta continue our search. Lahey—you’re on point. Take us into the castle.”“Aye, ma’am.” Lahey nodded. “Let’s get goin’, fellas—on me!”--And that concludes that. Comments and critiques, as always, are appreciated.
>>36134195Not only that, but he was tasked by Frollo to be the head executioner in the grand diocese. Quasimoto likes the arrangement, now able to get back at all the people who feared and hated him for his looks. At least, that's what Frollo tells him. He doesn't even need his gargoyle hallucinations anymore. Now he can see lots of people, and then without their heads.Slowly he's becoming troubled, however, even with Frollo's stern chiding.
So I rewatched Atlantis recently and a thought just struck me. When Atlantis sank the earliest civilizations we know of wouldn't start making mud-brick buildings for another two millennium. So who was Atlantis at war with that they posed a big enough threat for the king to attempt a Crystal-nuke on them?
>>36134237Spooky, but good. Good mix of characters reminds you of the original Atlantis crew. I'll add it to the archive.
>>36134298Aliens, obviously.But to be serious, I would assume, maybe, some Lovecraftian horror from beyond the stars like, I dunno, Hastur? Shub-Niggurath? Nyarlathotep?
>>36134298Some other Antideluvian nation? Who knows.
>>36134398Chernabog.Or, another more ancient horror.
A quick fluff piece, on that the PCs might actually get to experience.The PCs barely hear the tiny yelp of distress, but they look down just in time to avoid stepping on a quivering cricket, dressed in the ratty clothes of a vagrant. He shivers in a huddled ball for a few moments before gazing up at them."Why... you're... you're not one o' them... the Shadow Man's slaves. Ya haven't made any... deals, have ya?"The cricket hops to his feet and quickly scales one of the PCs, collapsing on a shoulder."Well, thank Walt I ran into ya, I haven't seen a friendly face in I don't know how many days! The name's Cricket, Jiminy Cricket, and I tell ya, it's been a tough road, tryin' to be a conscience to a world gone cuckoo! Folks under the Shadow Man's thumb don't even care what they do anymore, as long as they got a shot outta debt, and clearin' out Alameda Slim's casinos and saloons is just too much for one voice of reason to handle!"The little cricket seems on the verge of a breakdown, and he chokes back tears."I... failed Pinnoke. Bein' his conscience was my first strike, so I tried recruitin' other bugs to lend a hand, see if they could turn an ear wherever they could. Evinrude... Cri-kee... all of 'em swatted down before they had a real chance to do some good in this rotten world. I hoped, prayed that Raymond wouldn't let me down, but the... the Shadow Man... he's determined that nothin' good should come outta his swamps..."Jiminy begs the PCs on his knees."Please, please if you're decent folks, you gotta do somethin' about this moral breakdown! I'm just so... darned tired o' failin'! 'scuse the language there... but this is important! The more the world goes to pot, the stronger that... thing on the Bald Mountain gets! Ya just gotta help, ya just gotta!"
>>36134474I like it a lot! 10/5 for being able to work in game mechanics and background details in a way that makes sense to the players.
>>36134298I would assume another antediluvian civilization.
>>36134144watched small amounts and know enough that hes basically god-tier villain.its just that compared to every other villain hes argueably goodall he wants is to rule enough to have a great legacy. whilst that is a lot of villains motivations, he has the most kindest methods then most if not all of the disney villains.thats why id thought his area would be more good considering him seeing the absolute horror from the othersbasically its a case of>would he plan to help heroes secretly so hed look good and more importantly have favours>would his city be a refuge for escapees from other landswith Xanatos City being 'the americian dream'
>>36134298 >>36134536Civil war
>>36134536The only other thing that comes to mind are civilizations of Conan the Barbarian's times. Not sure where Atlantis would be relative to Hyperborea and Cimmeria, though.
>>36134580Sounds a lot like Atlantis has been written, though Rourke's much more straightforward. Looks like New York belongs to Atlantis on the map too, so that might work out.
>>36134631Maybe Xanatos should just be a person working under Roarke then?
>>36134650If you want him pulling shenanigans in New York, he'd probably come into conflict with Sykes, who wants to run the city more ruthlessly.
>>36134650what if xanatos was roarkes contractor the entire time? and he actually wanted the alantis tech?
did we ever come to a consensus on weapons?
>>36134785Most of the weaponry would be medieval-wild west techModern/alantean tech would be in their appropriate areas but very rare
"WHAAAAAT!?"Such a voice could shatter glass. And it did. Clayton would need to get a warranty on the new windows."HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CAPTURE ONE SINGLE LEOPARD??"Cruella De Vil had founded the Elite Global Huntsman Club for a very specific purpose. However, it was clear that all the high-clearance members had goals of their own. Gaston and Clayton share a worried glance before turning their attention back to their -most generous- benefactor before the Englishman puts on a faux-smile."Now Ms. DeVil, I assure you that we are working 'round the clock to procure Sabor for you. We just ran into a few... complications when we-"The woman slams her hand on the table in fury, her long, bony body wrapped in an oversized fur coat made of endangered white tiger, with an elegant cigarette holder between her fingers. The majesty of this finery was utterly destroyed by the hellish look on her face. "I have run into a 'complication' of my own! I was under the impression that you were the best in the world at HUNTING, not the best at MAKING EXCUSES!"The Frenchman, not so well versed in subtlety, crosses his enormous arms as he regards Cruella with a look of hubris "No one hunts like Gaston! Just let me put a bullet in the beast from 200 yards and I-"His speech was interrupted with a sharp backhand from the much thinner but just as tall woman. "You would ruin such a luxurious coat?? You idiot! I'm only months away from revealing my latest collection. I have made my entire fortune designing the height of fashion from only the finest, most exclusive of furs... and you know what none of them have? A BULLET HOLE!"Clayton clears his throat, saving the man currently rubbing his hurt cheek from further tongue-lashing as the fur-crazed woman shifts her focus. "It's not beasts that plague us. Not exactly. It's this troublesome Queen La. She seems to have formed something of a... partnership with Sabor. A pact, if you will."(cont.)
Should players get more Ideals as they increase in tier? I see Ideals are key to getting Lessons (our form of XP?)
>>36134897Huntsmen's Club lore, excellent. It's been largely untouched on so far.
>>36134650>>36134580He's morally ambiguous. He would help people/heroes because he doesn't want Cheerybog to eat everything anymore than anyone else does, but wouldn't do anything overt enough to draw the ire of any other powers. He probably controls or at least keeps tabs on quite a few "hero teams" around the world., supplying, directing or... "replacing" them as needed. >>36134671>>36134781Ok, find and replace Radcliffe with Roarke in my post >>36133888
>>36134237By the by, I just realized I'm missing a small bit of text that was sandwiched inbetween the last two posts, but it's in the pastebin and doesn't really affect the story that much.The pastebin to the second part:http://pastebin.com/0enrFJxh
>>36135014He sounds tremendously boring and is a wish-fulfillment character in this setting.
>>36135048Hang on a second, is that drawing by who I think it is?
>>36134897Gaston rolls his eyes. How could a dumb animal do anything of the sort? In a rare bout of wisdom, however, he keeps his mouth shut."What I mean is, Queen La and her leopard men have been foiling so many of our hunting parties that it's nearly impossible to even track Sabor, and from covert reports it appears that she even allows her to prey on her own men when game is scarce. Traps are torn to pieces in mere hours, you see. All of our conventional techniques aren't working."Cruella's eye twitches involuntarily. turning away from them to the large map of the Land of the Leopard. She yanks on the pullstring at the base to make it noisily roll back up, revealing a blackboard behind. Drawn upon the board with meticulous care using chalk is the face of Queen La. "Don't take me for a fool. I know precisely who you're dealing with. Queen and High Priestess of Opar. Banished from the Waziri tribe for an attempt at immortality. She has been a thorn in the side of this organization for as long as it has been in existence." she relates, blowing a plume of smoke at the image. She turns her head to face the two men. "When it comes to hunting animals, you are the best, yet you trip over your own fat feet when people come into play. Pathetic."The two men try to keep an air of patience, though Gaston's brow is furrowing."Perhaps your focus should be set towards a different goal for now." The woman turns back to the blackboard, and after a few moments, taps her long, sharp fingernails on its surface just above the image. Without warning, she drags her nails down it, producing a noise so utterly detestable that both men needed to cover their ears. After too long of that, the fur-clad woman steps aside, revealing five horrid scratch marks through the chalk face of Queen La. "Eliminate this woman, and I'll triple your budget next quarter.""T-Triple?" Gaston sputters in disbelief. Clayton just smiles even though his eardrums are still ringing.
>>36135052i personally think it fits well enough given that hes basically evil Tony Stark, Plus he keeps the setting Nobledark, by heroes having unknown assistance.hes definately not boring watching the series, but hes normal compared to other disney villans
>>36135102"Poison her. Drown her. Bash her on the head, I DON'T CARE HOW YOU KILL THE LITTLE BITCH, JUST DO IT, AND DO IT NOW! But after you do...""Get.""Me.""That.""PELT!!!"
>>36135093It is absolutely who you think it is. Maybe.
>>36135121>hes definately not boring watching the series, but hes normal compared to other disney villans"OH HE'S SO SMART AND HANDSOME AND EVERY VILLAIN STEERS CLEAR OF HIM AND FACILIER, MASTER OF DEALS OWES HIM A FAVOR AND ROARKE CONSULTS HIM VIA HIS PHONE BEFORE HANGING UP TO TALK ABOUT HOW DREAMY HE IS"He's not an Ultimate Evil like Chernabog is and he's not a literal god like Hades is, so why should we care? He's a good planner, sure, but the people around him are devastatingly powerful. You've got Facilier and Roarke right next to him, two different kinds of impossible magic, and you've got the magical pirates as well. Why hasn't Hades or Chernabog or the Friends just splatted him out of existence yet?
>>36135131Cruella, ever the patient angel.
>>36135102Queen La wants the perfect mate, right?Presumably she's won and has Tarzan as her consort, but what happens when she decides someone else is a more perfect male?I assume everyone sees what I'm getting at.No-one fucks like Gaston.
>>36135052>>36135121hes more of a background "lore" character on this worldplus its a homebrew, if you wernt expecting wish fulfillment then you clearly havent seen catastrophe
>>36135174Just because the catgirls sank to that level does not mean that we have to live down to their example.
>>36135170Sabor already killed Tarzan in their fight. Otherwise both she and Clayton would not be alive now.
>>36135174I dunno, the threads have done a pretty good job of keeping on-topic and balanced, and there's nothing particularly cringeworthy yet, but my god that King/land/rule comes damn close.
>>36135225and on that note we are at bump limit
>>36135225Yeah. Xanatos was only really impressive in the show because he had no competition. In this setting he'd be outclassed in manipulation by a fuckton of people.
>>36135145>getting this saltyI could ask the same being about all the other villainsif it did went into full scale war, the only survivors would be hades and chernobog.i could ask the same for falicer who literally only has his demons supporting him and even then he couldent do much with them.look iyoure getting mad over some wish character, in a homebrew that is effectively a non-canon wish setting. i dont even care about xanatos that much, its just theres no generic suave modern businessman villain other then him, and hes got good lore potential.calm down.
>>36135295It's not the character, so much as how you made him fit into the world. Xanatos isn't as good as you think he is, and if he is, you better have a solid justification for that. For example, If Faciler (a man whos entire schtick is manipulation and debt) owes him, you need to fucking explain how and why in a way that is in character for them both.
>>36135295Facilier is a VILLAIN WITH DEMONIC POWERS.Xanatos, as you're suggesting, is a SUPER SECRETLY A GOOD GUY THAT EVERY VILLAIN KEEPS A WIDE BERTH BY FOR SOME STRANGE REASONIf he exists, why the fuck are the heroes needed? Why can't he with his super powerful gargoyles and powers of planning free the world from evil power? If it's due to Carnie Blog or one of the other villains, why haven't they just come down to New York and stomped over this insufferable prick who's fucking with their inferiors? Roarke has the disadvantage of being just a man (admittedly with very high technology) and a tiny population who's scared and not really desirous of getting into a fight and have limited fighting experience outside of a small core group of mercenaries, and they lack supernatural forces or near-supernatural planning.The Huntsman Club is just people living in the ass-end of nowhere with a bunch of dangerous animals that nobody else would fuck with.Jack Sparrow is either in Davy Jones Locker or is basically all on his own, with one non-magical pirate ship.
Guy who wrote the Jafar story here http://pastebin.com/BRtSpNQm.If I were to write something else, what would you fine folks like to see?I was thinking of something with Yzma, Kronk, and Tzekal-Kan, but I'm definitely open to suggestions.
>>36130920And for over simplification. If it requires maths that can't be done by a 6-year-old, NOPE.
>>36135145They all have bigger fish to fry, and he is a useful semi-ally as an information broker and general facilitator. He isn't powerful, but he is smart, careful and savvy in a way that few if any of the other villains are, and thus does not fall for the standard villain traps. He would never, say, start to monologue when the hero is on their last legs, nor put them in an easily escapable death trap and leave without watching them die unless of course it was his plan all along for them to escape.
>>36135348Oh, it's you! Fuck yes. Easily top three. Yzma and Hook? Yzma and Jack Sparrow?Actually, you could do Yzma and anyone, she's one of my favorites.>>36135353Oh, why is keeping things simple so fucking bad? I don't want to get out my slide rule and statistics booklet to play a game, and I don't want to have to remember a thousand fucking rules to get anything done. The game is playable as is, save that shit for an expansion on friendship and love or something. There's no reason for it to be in the core game.
>>36135348>If I were to write something else, what would you fine folks like to see?I personally would like to see a Hades-based story in which we get to see Megara make an appearance, seeing how Hades uses her as a middle(wo)man for his dealings.
>>36135348That sounds like a good idea to me, they've been direly underrepresented. The Various beasts and Queen La also need more work for them, if you're looking for alternate suggestions.I don't think there's actually been any writing for the Huns or Mulan outside of a single greentext, or the EITC for that matter.
>>36135348Another story from you would be A+ Your Jafar one has been lovingly inserted into the fluff catalogue.
>>36135379Would you like to see Mulan statted as a Hero-tier character? Kinda bored at the moment and want to get away from writing 10,000 powers. I could write a bit to go with it if you want.
>>36135295Dude, the Firebird apparently gives a shit about this guy. The Firebird shouldn't give a shit about anything short of Churning Bob. It doesn't give a shit about the god of the dead or of the sea. Why would a primal force of firey death and destruction give a crap about some bloke who can into planning?
>>36135407Because the guy who wrote that KLR is pretending to be retarded.
>>36135353>>36135374Okay people, lets keep it civil. We won't get anything else done if we dissolve into insults and hyperbole.>>36135398Nob, that sounds like a good idea. It'd be helpful for DMs who want a reference for her in Hunnic-China themed adventures.
>>36135295>>36135344>>36135345Xanatos might be a better fit with all the semi-futuristic tech at his disposal, he might be a better fit for the more sci-fi expansion alongside Big Hero 6 or Lilo & Stitch. There's enough pure manipulators in this version, but he'd be more unique in that setting.
>>36135398>Would you like to see Mulan statted as a Hero-tier character?If we're really going with the Twisted Princess version (which I really think we should avoid copying), maybe as long as she's presented as fighting a losing battle.
>>36135457She's been at it for decades if not centuries with no progress whatsoever. I thought I saw mention earlier of the Huns having a collection of Mulan heads from all the times she's died trying to stop them and plans to line the Great Wall with them.I think its safe to say she's not winning, at least.
like to make a statement admist all this confusioni think youre assuming the guy who wrote the idea of xanatos being a mary sue, is the same person as the guy who suggested hes helps heroes out now and then. theyre not. i was implying he ethier helped them out for his own needs which was to help rourke.hes would be with the mercs because theres definately no where else to go.im not the guy that originally suggested he had an entire city, but was just making suggestions in case that was actually agreed upon.my apologies for the severe confusion
>>36135374Hey, wow, I'm flattered! I really like Yzma as a villain, and I was thinking that it would be nice to do something a little more lighthearted and slapstick oriented this time around.>>36135375I'd love to write more Hades but, unfortunately, I wasn't really happy with how I handled him in the first story. I think that I need to watch Hercules again to really get his character down. There was another Anon who wrote a much better Hades than I did; maybe he or she would be willing to give it a shot?>>36135379I have a sudden urge to have Yzma attempt to sell Queen La an entire *army* of Jaguar Men while trying and failing to keep her jealousy of La's youth and beauty under wraps. A story about Shan Yu and the Huns would also be interesting.>>36135395I am beyond flattered; thank you guys so much. Could you link me to the accumulated fluff?
>>36135493Even if he doesn't help out the heroes, he has a lot of sway over nigh-omnipotent villains that he really shouldn't have. Facilier never loses on a bargain, but I can see him coming to a fair deal with a really, really skilled barterer. But having control over the Firebird? The only person with any control over that horror is an even stronger and older horror.
>>36135507Right in here, >>36132441 Google doc was the best way to handle it.
>>36135361Ah, so he has the same pragmatism as the Horned King. Without the massive army of nigh-invulnerable skellingtons.
>>36135529again i never suggested thisi have no idea which anon did suggest this but it definately wasnt me
Something that I never got about Mulan... weren't the Huns Turkic, or Indo-European? Wouldn't the Mongols have been a better enemy for the Chinese of that era?
>>36135551I think the Huns were a generic term being used because most people associate Barbarians with the greco-roman world or Conan.
someone make a new thread and make sure to include >>36129634
>>36135541Or magic.Or being allied with Cherry bomb.Or a ballin' cloak.>>36135549Well, it was in the original King/land/Rule, so I was going off of that.
>>36135561>>36135551The Huns dress similarly to Mongols, so it was sort of implied.
>>36135533Ah, thank you!I'm honored, really.
>>36135575Why? You still haven't justified their importance, and it's a mechanic that could easily be replaced with "GMs, give a bonus to players working together whose characters are really in sync!"Also, we don't make new threads till page 7.
>>36135561>>36135581Aah, so they called them 'Huns' in the same way that we called the Germans 'Huns' in both World Wars, and as a way to avoid offending the surviving Mongolians.
>>36135599Well, we called the Germans huns because when the Kaiser sent troops to help put down the boxer rebellion he encouraged them to be like the Huns, ruthless and without mercy.
>>36135596Because it's a good mechanic that encourages players to act in disney-esque fashion when they would have no inclination to do so otherwise, without 'ruining statistics' like you claimed?I don't get why you're throwing such a hissyfit over this. Just take it out of your game if you don't like it. Most people seem to think it's alright.
>>36135596>>36135635Now I may just be a minor writefag, but to me this seems like the sort of argument that playtesting was invented to solve.There are several games being prepared, right? Why not present them with both the regular rules, and the rules for party cohesion and ask them to try games both with and without them?The fact of the matter is that we can crunch numbers all day but until we have real people slinging dice around and interacting with each other in that particular, irrational way human beings do we won't know for sure how it works.
>>36135635>good mechanicIt's needlessly complicated (when, once again, a suggestion to the GM would work just as well), adds a large rule with multiple paragraphs of must-know information for it to work, is incredibly vague about what 'working together' entails, and forces penalties on the entire party if things go sour between two players, up to and including 'dissolution of the party'. Social rolls against other players and social mechanics are almost always poorly implemented and the cause of major player hurt feelings in a lot of games.
>>36135575I'll add it into the OP when we get a proper consensus of whether we want it in or not.
>>36135674I agree with this guy. Just including a stub saying "GMs should encourage teamwork especially in tense situations, and should give appropriate bonuses depending on context."It's that simple. It doesn't need a mechanic.
>>36135668I second this.
Do we still need more powers? I made some powers a bunch of threads ago, but the thread was far beyond bump limit. Here they are:Better Put Some Water On That Burn: by spending three (?) points of Heart, you can insult someone so terribly that they are guaranteed to do something stupid, depending on the situation (Charismatic)Shoulders of Atlas: By spending an Heart point, the character can double his Robustness for the purposes of pushing, heaving, supporting or otherwise applying non-violent force on a single unanimated object. Requires both hands to be free. (Strong)Tactical Genius: If the character spends two (?) points of Heart, he is istantly aware of how to best take advantage of every single feature of a particular battle; what this means varies from situation to situation, but it should always be at least a +2 bonus to all combat-related activities for the whole group, because of optimal use of covers, good covering fire etc. (Smart)No Such Thing As Bad Terrain: By spending a a point of Heart, the character can ignore any and all limitations caused by the terrain he's walking on: he jumps from rock to rock in a river, seems to never slip into mud in a swamp etc.Stare Into The Soul: By spending one point of Heart, the character can istantly know everything there is to know regarding a single creature's personality, intentions, attitude and personal philosophy. For the rest of the scene, he can automatically tell if that creature is lying.
Is there any reason why Yzma wouldn't seek out Mother Gothel and Rapunzel in search of restoring her youth?And, speaking of which, are there no potions that can accomplish the same?
>>36135729Into the 'bin they go.
>>36135668Is anyone setting up a non-real life game?I'd love to play a game of this but I really doubt anyone here is from Tampa, aka buttfuck nowhere, where there are no /tg/ groups in the entire city
Original poser of the Xanatos king/land/rule here>>36135345I never claimed Xanatos is all powerful, nor did I claim he is good. He survives because he makes himself indispensable to the right people, and by intentionally not annoying the wrong people. He fits in well with Roarke because he couldn't win a straight up fight with any of the major powers, so he doesn't get into any. Facilier has demon powers, but he's also an idiot- seriously, he takes one of his biggest and most important assets and throws it away in the swamp on a WHIM. Xanatos' Gargoyle troops aren't unstoppable, they keep away small, minor threats but not enough to present a threat/target to any of the high rollers. >>36135529Never meant to suggest he /controls/ the firebird, but he is the sort of man who would chart its movements and notice what areas it avoided due to mountains, weather patterns, ect, and that that would be a good location for a base that no-one else would go near. >>36135576Xanatos has magic, lots of it, he regularly casts spells and perform alchemy on the show, but he approaches it in a scientific manner, testing things until he can get reliable results. Remember, in the show, he literally fights Oberon, king of the fey and not only survives, he gives the god-level being a serious run for his money and ends up with Puck as his permanent butler and babysitter.
>>36135749His base is in new york city.Facilier is an idiot but now he's got nigh-supreme power. He was already powerful in the movie with just one soul sacrificed -- and he sacrificed a million in this canon.Hades is sigificantly more powerful than Oberon, by an order of magnitude. Calciblag is two up on Hades.
>>36129027ok heres my take on how xanatos could be inthough hed definately not be full villain materialever since the cataclysm, xanatos had to escape america due to the arrival of slims army. through information brokers he met Rourke and eventually found alantis.in return for full citizanship and other bonuses (including private security, mesangers to keep old black market trades (provided theyre not alantean) going) Xanatos helped fund and project the construction of factories utilzing alantean tech.this has significantly boosted Rourkes police force and army.Old contacts and black market trades were still going, allowing xanatos and thus rourke to keep small tabs of information from whats left of the developed world.
>>36135732Mother Gothel probably steers clear of South America because Izma is unpredictable. Unlike Grimhilde, Hans, and others.I imagine everyone in the know about Rapunzel keeps a tight lid on it, lest everyone and their grandma just bullrush the tower to kidnap her for their own uses.Rapunzel is a hugely important asset that none of them want to forsake.
>>36135732Wait. Waaait.You've given me an idea!What if, for my next story, we have Yzma and Kronk attempt to persuade Tzekal-Kan to trade her access to the Fountain of Youth?
>>36135806Urgh, I meant 'Tzekel-Kan', of course.My Aztec must be getting a little rusty.
>>36135191Perfect, that sets her up nicely to lust after Gaston then.Of course Gaston's won condition was apparently to settle down with Belle and start a family, so I presume he did exactly that. How DID all of his shit go down? I presume Belle wouldn't just fucking swoon as soon as he killed the Beast and her Stockholm syndrome faded. How about Frollo owed Gaston a favor and Stepford-wife'd Belle for him? Now she's a good little housewife popping out insanely attractive sons for him thanks to good old fashioned mind control.
>>36135853>You are now manually imagining Queen La attempting to seduce Gaston away from a woman who has been hypnotically programmed to be the perfect wife.
>>36135853>Of course Gaston's won condition was apparently to settle down with Belle and start a family, so I presume he did exactly that.I think you're giving Gaston too much credit. He can have any girl he wants, and yet he goes for the smart bookish girl who happens to be the only one not interested in him.He's a narcissist. He can't stand the fact that there was a girl who didn't fawn over him, so he wanted what he couldn't have.His winning condition had nothing to do with getting Belle. It had everything to do with inflating his own ego.
>>36135806Does Kronk somehow fuck it all up through hijinks? Part of me wants it all to come tumbling down because Kronk does something stupidly brilliant.>>36135732>>36135790I've been middling with a plot hook in my head for awhile now. Now it's not exactly a well-kept secret that good old Punzie was, at least in the movie of Frozen, seen to be part of the crowd traveling to see Elsa's coronation. Now I know that the mere fact of her being there necessitates Gothel not winning, but hear me out.Let's say it's been a few years, and Corona is still around. The king and queen, in their twilight years, merely seek the body of their daughter and son-in-law back from the Snow Queen, who remains unresponsive to any sort of messengers sent by the kingdom. Cue the adventurers being brought in to ask for the body back and haul in the entire way back to Corona, with it up to the GM's discretion on whether or not Punzie's body will melt along the way unless she's babied with a cold spell constantly.
>>36135782cont)via said information, the two have found out about various 'heroes' and rebels attacking leaders.Xanatos had a plan, get the merchants to mention rourke to the heroes, have them invited to the state reception, ethier way he would ask them to assist him. he would attempt to smuggle alantean tech to them, on the condition that the heroes brought back magic and other powerful items from the other countries. this way after intense research and development, xanatos would be able to utilize it, meaning more bonuses and thus more power given to him by rourkehe couldent otherthrow the man. but maybe if he did well enough his family would inherit the alantis, and its formidable army...
>>36135930We've been screwing with canon quite a bit here, so it's safe to say that happy short-haired Punzy was sadly not present at the coronation.
>>36135883Nah, she'd just body swap with Belle and Belle would become the new Queen La, likely annoying Gaston who believes a woman's place is in the kitchen, not being an evil sorceress queen.
>>36135930I can't think of any way Rapunzel could have been at the coronation in this setting, so she probably just wasn't.She's most likely blood related to the Arendelle royal family though.
>>36135883oh christ its ego vs egothat would be amazing>>36135806>>36135930genius
>>36135933How about making Xanatos a diplomat for Rourke? Rourke's a "my way or the highway" kind of guy, so finding someone to play the backstabbing game for him would be a plus, at least over in Europe where his country can't catch wind of his underhanded tactics.
>>36135888He wanted Belle because she was the best, and by best he meant "most attractive". He never even seemed to entertain the idea that Belle wasn't interested in him.
>>36135960Sure, as long as Xanatos stays away from any actual power. He'd get quickly crushed by the Big Guys of this setting.
>>36135960diplomacy would only go so farif he encounterd hades, hades would immediately know about his wife. most of europe is a no-go.but having Xenatos as rourkes diplomatic advisor and behind the scenes man would work well, and fit in nicely for a character designed to be a small reference.
>>36135960>>36135980This is acceptable in my book. We can include cameos in places as long as we don't go overboard with them. This arrangement is clearly not Xanatos' winning condition, you see. We need to be careful or we'll be ignoring the original point of the setting.
>>36135970Best relative to their location. I mean, if Gaston had a chance to travel far and wide, I'm sure he wouldn't have settled for a bookworm French peasant girl.
>>36135767A temporary/forward base, perhaps to observe the Firebird better, perhaps for some other purpose. I meant as an example that he does not control the Firebird, he just knows how to not be where it is. I suggest you re-watch this scene:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KICArqH2jNUFacilier isn't powerful at all- he doesn't have much more than a few minor illusions and his own shadow at his disposal, the Friends have all the magic, he is just their agent in this world. Out of curiosity, how does Maleficent compare to Oberon in fey hierarchy? >>36135782>>36135933>>36135960I like where this is going, I originally suggested Xanatos in the first place as a potential quest giver and guy to take care of stuff behind-the-scenes, not as a power-player.
>>36135980so would rourke and slim is the point, its because of where they are and how theyve got power is keeping them aliveaka rourkes in alantis and slims got the guy from pocahontasall the fighting in this setting seems to be politics and small skirmishes and battle.
>>36136016That's not the point. You suggested the Firebird would turn away from his base of operations in New York City. Nobody but Him can do that.Facilier can transmute people into frogs, he can move physical objects without touching them, and illusions are really not something to be underestimated.Now, multiply that by a MILLION.Maleficent: Probably about the level of Oberon but significantly more powerful nowadays.Hopefully Xanatos is little more than a barely-named reference in a piece of fluff -- he doesn't fit the setting. >>36136031Rourke has atlantean technology at his disposal.Slim... Well, Slim doesn't really rule territory as much as he's the nominal owner of it. He does have mind control though.
>>36136016>Facilier isn't powerful at all-He certainly is now that he sacrificed hundreds of thousands if not millions of souls to the Friends. It's pretty much a given that THEY owe HIM a debt now. He still can't conjure a thing for himself, but so fucking what? He's go so many shadows under his command not to mention people trying to pay back their debts to him that it barely matters.
>>36136011Well Frollo's stepfordization would take care of the bookishness. Really Gaston's only concern is that she's the most attractive mate for himself because that's the only thing he gives any shits about, and this setting is running a deficit on beautiful girls, what with Grimhilde hunting down any of them who threaten her status as the fairest. That could be an interesting point of conflict between the two of them BTW: Grimhilde wants StepfordBelle dead but Gaston is presently using her as his personal baby factory. What sort of terms are Grimhilde's huntsman and Gaston on? How does he protect his SlaveWife from being hunted down while he himself is off hunting horrible monsters?
I'm against including the Gargoyles setting. It's in 1995, waaay past our cut-off limit of 1960s-ish for Atlantis/101 Dalmatians
>>36136084I thought we were cut off at WW1 level tech. Atlantis and Facilier being the latest things in the setting -- Cruella doesn't really exist in any real way that matters, she's one of four leaders of an incredibly minor faction.
>>36135930Of course.>>36135958I'm glad that you guys approve. I need to get to bed, but here's a little something that I've put together to kickstart my imagination tomorrow:Shadows cloaked the white-capped mountain in impenetrable darkness as the tips of two enormous forefingers descended upon it, pressing firmly into either side of its base and slowly pushing inwards, as though to meet in the middle. The mountain’s peak bulged obscenely, threatening eruption, but the fingers lessened their pressure and withdrew only a moment before passing the point of no return.Yzma scowled into a mirror of brightly polished silver, the grim expression making her face all the more frightful, and prodded the bump on her forehead. “A pimple,” she murmured. “A pimple! On MY face! At MY age!” She whirled around with such force that her dress whipped around and knocked the mirror from its stand to clatter noisily to the floor, and shouted loudly enough to rattle the windows – if the windows had, in fact, had glass in them, which they did not. “Kronk!” she roared. “No more enchiladas! Ever! Never again, do you hear me?” Her hulking, simple-minded manservant looked up from his self-administered pedicure and frowned at her declaration. His shirt, she saw, was embroidered with a large, gold-sequined number ‘1’ on the chest, indicating that this was the original Kronk, Kronk-Prime, the one from which all other Kronks had been cloned in the gloomy depths of her subterranean laboratory.“But you love my enchiladas,” he said, confused.
>>36136006i get that(though the point being was that he won in gargoyles anyway, so its more an aftermath)the good news is that theres barely any villains left now unless we include pixar and dreamworks films which weve for the most part said no to.the only villain left that i can think of having a chance was ruben, which entirely depends on what age is arthur in this.
>>36136092>she's one of four leaders of the only interesting faction we've managed to come up with.ftfy
>>3613610830/old but under the mountain/dead.
>>36136084I think for the most part we're avoiding characters from TV shows, with Queen La as a notable exception.
>>36136099I like it, run with it. Describing Yzma's face as mountain geography is priceless.
>>36136110I disagree -- the EITC is fascinating with their alliance to Davy Jones, and the Shadowlands is an incredible place to set a story. Additionally, Atlantis is great as a sort of parody of turn-of-the-century american culture.>>36136108Why do we need more?
>>36136132"Living proof that dinosaurs walked the earth."Very apt, Kuzco.
>>36136016Maleficent is the most powerful fey in the setting, bar none.
>>36136047>altering their paths to avoid destroying him or his projectswas the phrase I used. I'm imagining a scenario where everyone else thinks he's crazy for going somewhere because it appears to be in the path of the firebird, but he knows he's perfectly safe because there is a cold front moving in from Arendelle in that area and the FB alters course to avoid such air currents with 99% reliability. Facilier doesn't turn people into frogs, the friends gave him an item that does that, and he throws away its power supply because he didn't bother to read the fine print of his own contract. And again, watch the scene- he never is promised power for the souls of New Orleans, they are payment for what he already has borrowed. Chernobog could curbstomp pretty much everyone in this setting anyway, why aren't you complaining that all the other villains haven't been killed by him?
>>36136047the mind control only worked on animals i swear>>36136047from the guy who made a more sensible ideapower wise hes capable of at least being useful to hades since he never breaks a deal. hed probably be savy enough to actually get a fair deal out of hades, unless it involved his wife.hed have enough occult knowlege thanks to the gargoyles to know about the cauldron and possibly the horned king.and he's rich enough to have a private navy probably capable of causing embargoes(thinking here that he could embargo the horned king from delivering cauldron mist to america)in short hes the perfect advisor to rourkepowerful enough to be a pain when neededsmart enough to not be concieved as a threat by others until neededloyal enough to not be a threat to rourkeand share the same ideals.
>>36136202This, thank you
>>36136200Why would anyone care about a guy who rules one city, and why would they care if he runs into the path of the fire bird?The Facilier movie point is moot: He's got an astounding amount of power. He owns half of the continental united states, and their souls belong to the Friends.the thing is that HE wants the villains in this setting alive and fighting and a 'super sekrit gud guy so gud at manipulating peepul' character breaks that. But ultimately the problem is that he would overshadow the Heroes, the people fated to cast down HIM.
>>36136212about whatoh for the recordas a little joke over the bad (but dont worry about it whoever thought of it) idea about Xanatos controlling the firebirdil probably gm a mission wher rourke hears about the bird and sends xanatox after it. he hires the hunters and gets his army to help him, the heroes try to stop them, but xanatos soon realizes what the firebird is, and gets the fuck away as a section of his army gets recked by it.the hunters foolishly try to kill it and its up to the heroes to save them.
>>36129349Newfag obsessed with setting here!Speaking of Ratigan, have we gone through what happened to the Rescue Society? Because having like one rogue chapter allied with the Rats of NIMH and/or American Tail characters would be great. Maybe they could be in like Australia and/or the Wild West. Hell, maybe even Virginia. Somewhere a bunch of mice would be below notice.
>>36136295most likely dead anonsorry but ratigan. would have found them and quote"drowing orphans is trivial to me" ratigan would have had them killed
>>36136295unless you meant the villainous rats who would have just become a part of ratigans mafiacoming from a british guy, what is the british term for mafia?
>>36136295The RAS is doing their best to save mousedom from Ratigan's dominance, though they're not in a good position to do so yet.Not sure about NIMH or American Tail, we're trying to limit the non-Disney stuff for the most part.You'd best get to the other thread though, this one's on its way out.
>>36136223>super sekrit gud guy so gud at manipulating peepul>would overshadow the HeroesHes not a hero, hes a pragmatic, genre savvy man who doesn't want to die. He sees the heroes and what they are trying to do, approves of the "world not getting destroyed" plan and helps them out a bit, maybe gives a quest line at most. Done. Bog standard NPC. And if the team TPKs he does the same thing for the next group but adds a line about "watching out for pit traps" or whatever killed the first group.
>>36131453>>36132065>Sensible guysMaybe a teacher/secretary/maid or butler type character? Someone hard to fool and pragmatic.I was initially thinking of, say, a Nanny/Governess type, since they tend to be the voice of reason (the maid from 101 Dalmatians, the housekeeper from Mary Poppins). Evil example is the butler from the Aristocats>speaking of which, we need some Mary Poppins canon up in here
>>36132556>RangoMake this happen, I say.
Shouldn't there be a piece of North America run by the Martial Law States of America, untouched by everyone else because they have a big gun?
>>36136083Why wouldn't Belle just kill herself at the end of the movie via jumping off the ledge?