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Goit this by googling burmecian, a race of rat people that first appeared in Final Fantasty 9. It is so hard to find pics of rat people that aren't fucking hideous. why does every artist make rat anythings so ugly? They're just bigger mice with a slightly pointier snout, and unlike mice they don't make shit pets.

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>thinking rat-people wouldnt smell bad or be ugly.

>>36599654
Real rats are pretty clean actually.

>>36599654
Rats don't really smell at all. A rat person would smell even less since they presumably would have discovered bathing or learned about it from some other intelligent race. Seeing as they're covered in hair I imagine shampoo would be a big industry in rat person society.

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Burmecian bump.

>>36599654
>thinking monkey-people wouldnt smell bad or be ugly.

>>36600142
>>36599654
>Smell is in the nose of the beholder

>>36599531
I did a search of various furfag websites, and I couldn't find anything appropriate (nothing that just looked cool). The only thing furfags are good for, they're not very good AT.

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>>36599531
>Hedge Witch

Why would you do that? You either play a base Witch or you play a Scarred Witch Doctor. I guess you could play a White-haired Witch if you have an actual Witch in the party and want to be a grappley-toucher or Midna.

Also see if you can drop Swarming for something like Scamper or something because that 20ft movement will effect you more as a Witch since your job involves a little more tactical positioning movement for being in hex/cackle range of multiple things. Also take Scent over Tinkering or whatever. Scent is godly.

>>36600791
Scarred witch doctor is for orcs only.

>>36600142
>>36600142
racist, blacks don't smell that bad
>>>/pol/

>>36600817
White people smell awful too and are just as monkey-like you racist.
>>>/pol/

(automatically thinking he isn't talking about all humans, just blacks, is what makes you the racist)

I wonder how long the average lifespan of a ratfolk is? Real rats have short lifespans due to tumors. Which holds them back from being THE perfect pet.

>>36600899
As long as a humans.

>>36600816
Then you make an Orc or you play a base Witch because Hedge Witch gives you fuck all for giving up two Hexes that could be better spent. Especially when one of those hexes is your 4th level hex or "The hex that allows you to have picked up Evil Eye, Misfortune, Fortune, and Cackle at this level."

>but you can convert spells to healing spells
Or you could spend the hexes you give up on the FREE HEALING hex that doesn't cost spell uses. Or take the Healing patron if you're the parties main healer otherwise you already have Cure spells so you invest in a fucking wand like a non-fuckboy.

>>36600915
Or he plays what he wants to play and doesnt go by what the minmaxers want him to play. Ya know, that thing called ROLEPLAYING.

>>36600908
Just doublechecked, its actually several decades shorter. Max is 60 vs humans 110

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>>36599531
I always liked the MTG nezumi.

>>36600944
You literally have every tool that you need to ROLEPLAY a Hedge Witch by playing a normal Witch. I actually listed them in my post. You can be a Goodly Rural Healy Witch without taking an alt class that mechanically weakens you. Stop being a fucking retard and trying to equate taking the worst possible options with fucking Roleplaying.

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>>36599531
all my dude rat folk are on the ugly side but what do you expect from rat people

>>36600895
lol, mad cuck detected

>>36601029

>STOP DOING THINGS THAT ARE NOT MINMAXED!! STOP HAVING FUN! STOOOOOOOOOP!

He asked for ratfolks pics, not for your opinion

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I have probably one or two pics.

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>>36601205
Man, I kinda miss Everquest 2 now.

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>>36601227
And the last of my pics. Sorry OP!

>>36600173
>brb creating beholder subtypes for every sense
"...and Tim gets damaged by a nosetacle for 17, also please make a reflex save against the snot shot."

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>>36601170
>I have no argument for my stormwind fallacy so i'll talk about pictures even though I myself haven't posted a picture with my inane rants on how Roleplaying is picking trap options on purpose

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>>36601121
>rat people
>ugly
You obviously haven't been paying attention to my burmecian brother.

>>36600692

Rats are really unpopular with furries; lack the cool factor of dragons and wolves, or the familiarity of cats and dogs, and people think mice are cuter for some insane reason. I mean, other animals are usually associated with like strength or cunning or loyalty or something, but rats are associated with cowardice and filth, so they're unpopular.

Which is a real shame. Rats are rad.

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>>36602097

Because this could be interesting: Why do you say 'rats are rad'?

>>36602141

I like em because of the surprising number of tricks they learn, and the fact that they're more intelligent and tenacious than they let on. Plus they're really affectionate; for example, when you work with rats in research you gotta handle them a bit and they'll start to like you. Mice on the other hand are huge assholes and will never like you.

Plus they seem like a real underdog kinda creature you know.

>>36602191
Then can also hide in your pocket. Try that shit with a dog!

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>>36602191
>>36602208
Thank you for the information.

>>36602191
Also, contrary to what cartoons featuring them would have you believe, rats have an overwhelming tendency to display altruistic behaviors.

>>36600791
Hedge Witch is okay as an archetype, useful for low level healing.

>>36602141

Rats are rad because of the sheer insane versatility. See, the thing about rats is that they're very much a general-purpose animal. If something offers shelter and food, rats can live in there. And they're good at making that shelter. They have no special needs, they're small enough to stay out of the way of bigger things but not the smallest things around. They're generally pretty smart and can react to changing environments or new threats. Put simply, they're very adaptable.

Further specialization would actually hinder the rats as a whole. Their biggest strength is that well-rounded generalist capability to adapt and thrive.

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Have some more rats

>>36602225
Cartoons: Mice are sweet and friendly and just the best and real paragons of community and justice and love. Rats are evil asshole who hate everyone and are out to kill and eat everything and everyone.

Real Life: Rats are kind and loving and paragons of community. Mice are straight up antisocial Niggers who will burn down your shit and when you ask them why they'll shoot you and steal your wallet.

Source: I used to own Mice and I don't anymore because one of them murdered and ate the rest of them before piling his dry food that he stopped eating into his water bowl to make the water deep enough so that he could drown himself in it.

>>36602381
Don't forget the rape. I've heard accounts of male mice straight-up raping their own offspring and actually physically mangling them for easier raping. Like breaking their fucking legs.

>>36599531
It's either scaven/creepy ratfolk or furry-pandering shit.
Choose your poison.

>>36602225
>>36602263
This is why I always include a ratfolk race in my settings. Small intelligent generalists that love technology living in giant warren cities or within communities of other races.

>>36602381

Funny fact: rats in the wild actually choose the alpha male for their pack. The leading male is often not the largest or the strongest, and doesn't get there by sheer strength. Instead, other males will allow one of them to be the leader, with the express understanding that they're allowed access to a few females themselves. The alpha male knows that the other rats could kill it if they wanted to, and it knows that it has a good thing going because everyone lets it have that. So it allows the others to have some of that good thing as well, and everyone's happy.

>>36602225

http://www.nature.com/news/rats-free-each-other-from-cages-1.9603

>>36602395
Yeah, No, fuck Mice.

>>36602423
Basically, Rats are Diplomats and Mice are Barbarian Cannibal Rapists.

While we are on the subject of fuck yeah rats! I would like to ask why are weasels seen as cowardly? All the members of the weasel family I know about are fighty bastards.

>>36599531
Magnus?

>>36602468

Rats are humans, mice are Dark Sun halflings as played by an edgy grimderp DM with Magical Realm tendencies.

>>36602481
They just look like something they would be cowardly. Just like owls look smart and dolphins nice.

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Lack of NIMH in this thread is simply disturbing.

>>36602509
A pine martin will fight a dog no problem and have a good chance of winning. And you know who else is part of the weasel family? The honey badger.

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>>36602509
But dolphins are nice, at least the big ones with killer in their name are.

>>36602537
Dolphins are nice to people sometimes. Just seems to be each other they hate.

>>36602481
Blame medieval scholars. A lot of our current pop culture ideas about animals are based on medieval bestiaries.

>>36601414
>I like playing things for the fluff and ideas I have for them, not how powerful/weak they are

My fun may be badwrong, but it's still fun.

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>>36602529
So are ferrets, well, they're part of the same larger mustelid family.

>>36602566
They thought that crocodiles have bunny ears and bees are birds born of dead oxen.

>>36602607
So are otters.

>>36602613
Yeah but otters are dicks, they will actively attempt to drown other animals, ferrets will just annoy them.

>>36602631
Ferrets can have their moments. I actually hunt rabbits with ferrets a bit.

>>36600791
>Hey, GM, can exchange something useless for something awesome?

I never understood why some people allow this.

Is incest a necessary characteristic of ratfolk?

>>36602707
No. Among wild rats, its fairly uncommon.

>>36602707
Is incest a necessary characteristic of people?

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>>36602771
...Yes?

>>36602771
Does a bear shit in the woods?

>>36602790
Well, there you go then.

>>36602704
30 movement puts you on par with a Goblin and Swarming costs more Racial Points than Movement even though Swarming will never get used unless a few other people in your party are also Ratfolk which is unlikely in a non-Ratfolk heavy game. Also because the advanced races and other books added alternate racials that you could swap out, even though some of them are things like Scent which renders Rogue enemies and monsters who's whole thing is that they're Invisible completely useless.

>you can have +2 intimidate or what amounts to AoE automatic blindsense

>>36602985
Scent doesnt work like that. It only allows them to sense that someone is within range but not their position. If they are 5 feet away, you can locate their exact position.

>>36603059
>It only allows them to sense that someone is within range but not their position

Automatically, so they're no longer stealthed/invisible because you are now aware of them and can do something about it, like cast glitterdust and light them up like a fucking christmas tree, deny them their Surprise round/sneak attack and ruin an ambush.

It's basically a Psychic Power called "Fuck Sneaky Bitches" that you get as a baseline racial from level one that you traded +2 to a skill for.

>>36602381
Working at a pet store, I've had the worst experiences with hamsters actually. One morning I found that one of the bastards had killed and eaten the brain of another hamster. Upon seeing this, my boss just pointed out, "Huh, he ate the brain through the eyesocket. They usually go through the jaw." That right, 'usually'. That means it happens frequently enough for there to be statistical averages on how they do it.

Dwarf hamsters are much better, but are almost as shy as mice.

Rats were always a delight to handle and care for.

>>36602420
"Gnomes", the thing you're thinking of is "Gnomes".

>>36602481
Because they're good at sneaking into chicken coops. Sneaky is seen as cowardly.

>>36603251
No it tells you that they are somewhere within 30 feet(if there is no wind).

And apparently everyone has the glitterdust spell.

And its a racial power that only a very few select races get. Apparently allowing certain races the ability to smell better is now on par with shutting down entire classes and strategies, even with the many ways of stopping the scent ability.

You have vastly overestimated its stopping power.

>>36603345
Fuck tiny deformed humans with a penchant for tech and illusions. I want more options for looks than human, small human, ugly human, small ugly human.

>>36603345
Fuck gnomes. They are just a beardless dwarves. That's the worst design ever.

>>36603329
Rats are basically Dogs. It's a real shame that most people have such a negative view of them from pop culture bullshit from the Black Plague.

>>36602529
That's a bit of an over generalization. They'll have a good chance of winning against some terriers and many toys, but keep in mind that oldschool dachshunds were bred to fight badgers, and pitting a marten against a mastiff breed would be silly.

>>36602566
Waitwaitwait, you're telling me that I can't extinguish fires by throwing a salamander into it? That doesn't make any sense. They eat fire.

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Ratfolk thread?!

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>>36603368
A truly brave weasel would stand before the coop, challenging the guard dog to single combat before taking the eggs he desired.

>>36603371
>>36603376
You know what? Fine, I will fuck a gnome. That'll show you!

>>36603371
>No it tells you that they are somewhere within 30 feet(if there is no wind).
Correct, even if you or anyone else in your party hasn't managed to spot them.

>And apparently everyone has the glitterdust spell.
Someone better have it so we don't all get raped by invisible shit.

>And its a racial power that only a very few select races get.
If you have the option you should take it since it's a free Roguefinder.

>You have vastly overestimated its stopping power.
More stopping power than +2 to a skill you're not using.

>Apparently allowing certain races the ability to smell better is now on par with shutting down entire classes and strategies, even with the many ways of stopping the scent ability.
It's basically a free roll to detect hidden targets if you failed to spot them, it's generally a better option that whatever you're giving up to get it on the races that can get it. Ratfolk give up +2 CRAFT, Perception, and UMD. As a Witch it gives you a fallback for if your Cleric/Druid/WISclass fails his Perception against an enemy Sneaker.

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>>36602381
I think one of your mice was a psychopath.

>>36603397
I do love rats as pets, but I disagree with them being equal to dogs. Because of their size, you can't cuddle in bed with them or fence them in your backyard. Although I don't doubt that you could train a rat to return as reliably as a dog, if not moreso.

>>36603492
Exactly! Yet every time I found my eggs missing, I would shout, "Show yourself thief! Fight for your prize!" and would never see that weasel.

>>36599680
Heeeh, they're about as clean as a normal animal. Meaning not that much.

>>36603545
>fence them [dogs] in your backyard
Guessing you don't do HEMA if you expect a riposte from a dog.

>>36601431
It just looks like a random furry.

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I came up with an idea that Ratfolk live in three different types of society, Warrens, Colonies, and Caravans. Warrens are considered by many of their kind the most "proper" Ratfolk society, they're scummy little forest or marsh villages where they live in their own squalor, scavenging and stealing from anywhere nearby.

Colonies are set up within the confines of towns and cities created by other races, such as Humans and Dwarves. They move into slums and sewers and set up their own crummy little societies there to sponge off of the original inhabitants, committing crimes and what not. Another variation of this has them forming colonies in abandoned settlements, especially old Dwarf fortresses.

Caravans are mobile Ratfolk societies, traveling between towns and villages, trading as they go. They are constantly on the move, as the things they are offering to sell to one village are often possessions of people in the last village they passed through.

>>36603397
Rats ate most of our harvest.

Fuck rats.

Fuck rodents.

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>>36603604
Whatever form it takes, a Ratfolk society is ruled over by a Rat King. Not actually a singular beast, a Rat King is a council of Ratfolk from within the settlement, including their strongest warrior, best thief, and several magic users, at least one of which is a leader of their clergy. The Rat King makes decisions for the betterment of the Warren, Colony, or Caravan, and (allegedly) puts the needs of others above themselves. Ratfolk religion is a simple thing, filled with simple rituals and offerings to criminal deities and natural spirits.

Crime is an important part of Ratfolk society, as they see anything they can pilfer from non-rats as fair game.

Personally, for ratfolk style gameplay, I prefer the whole Fallen London Lore in regards to the whole Rattus Faber, which are basically a group of corporate/unionized rats which effectively produce some impressive machinery, being able to interact with stuff on a finer level really does help.

The Rattus Faber in fallen london really do split into several groups, the smiths who produce and sell extremely useful machinery and weaponry, arguably some of the finest out there. The Bandits which have a sort've manifest destiny, that they have divine right to go into peoples homes and claim the walls as there own (you can tell this kind of infestation by the faint sounds of mining and explosives emanating from the walls at night.) Finally, you have the fighters, whom tend to utilize one of several kinds of tactics, some prefer stealth and ambush, attempting to poison there targets at night. Others prefer honorable combat, where they utilize the fact that they are far smaller and usually have superior weaponry to draw enemies into unfavorable situations, up to and including sudden blindings. Alternatively, they will often utilize a mix of both, by drawing angered individuals into a crowd of well armed rats.

>>36601414
Why even play a game that has trap options? And if he wants to play a hedge witch, you don't have some cosmic duty to prevent suboptimal builds.

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>>36602381
B-b-but it doesn't matter what you fight...
Dude, you're ruining my dreams.

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>>36603645
Ratfolk keep rats, both mundane and giant, as pets, and giant rats are also trained as beasts of burden. They attempt some basic farming in Warrens and Colonies, mostly with fungi, though most of their food is foraged, hunted, or stolen.

>>36603604

Gipsy rats?

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>>36601121
>Rat women
>Still look like men but braid their "hair" to appear more "feminine"

Also they shape their eyelashes
Yes please

>>36599531
Fuck yeah, my number one favorite fantasy race is ratfolk of any kind.

Really hard to find pictures for.

Speaking of
>>36603645
Don't look up Rat Kings. Grossest fucking thing.

>>36603590
The terrier fighting style is usually too aggressive, yes. However, rats are just too small to properly use a foil.

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Why does no one else post this.

Why do I always have to be the one?

Fuck it. Every rat thread until you like it.

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>being captured and forced to breed with ratfolk

>>36603741
Pretty much.

>>36603759
I know of Rat Kings, it's the basis of the name. In-setting they take the name from the ancient, mythic Rat King, a horrible giant mutant with five heads who led their people out from under the foot of the dragons that created him.

>>36603698
Wouldn't that kind of thing be kind of specialized? I'll admit upfront that giant rats are more common than gorillas in most fantasy settings, but imagine if all human societies kept leaf monkeys as pets and gorillas as beasts of burden. It just seems a bit outlandish.

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>>36603799
Gross

>>36603811
I can't think of many other animals that would even want to be around Ratfolk.

>>36603848
I would. If you hang around ugly people you'd feel pretty. I'd bro the fuck out of ratfolk

>>36603848
Dogs, cats, lizards, cattle, in fact pretty much any domesticated animal. Plus many which arent domesticated. In a universe with rat people, they would be entirely natural and there wouldnt be any reason for animals to not be around them unless the DM specifically wants there to be a reason.

>>36603848
As opposed to humans? We have a similar diet, so most domesticated animals would view us the same. It's not that horses naturally want to be ridden by large meat eating apes; we just train them to deal with it. It would be the same with ratfolk.

>>36603884
Let's not debate about what a human would willingly hang around. Let's face it, if something has a hole of roughly a certain size, a human would fuck it.

>>36603899
Wait

would cats hate rat people?
Would they stlll try to duke it out with their natural enemy or would they use common sense and realize that mother fucker is huge?

>>36603932
What the fuck man. I said bro. I'd be friends with rats. We're not talking about sex. unless you want to.

>>36603936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_2C4H6UQXo

Prepare to d'aww.

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>>36603936

>>36603993
>>36603985
Oh that cat is only tolerating the rat because the dick is good and you fucking know it

>>36603936
Cats and rats aren't "natural enemies" by any special means. Cats are just the "natural enemies" of anything small. Birds, mice, rats, rabbits, turtles, lizards, insects, spiders; if a cat can kill it, it will.

Cats don't even hunt actual rats very often. Rats can get pretty big, and can usually fuck a cat up. The cat will usually win in the end, but not without a significant risk of injury.

And before someone mentions their neighborhood crazy bastard cat that would chase dogs down the street, and take down coyotes; please keep in mind that crazy exceptions exist for all species. There's also jack russel terriers that will bring home rattlesnakes, and rats the size of bulldogs.

>>36603953
Ratfolk? Totally, if a female is kind, intelligent, and witty; and for some reason wants to fuck me? I would totally agree. I don't care if she's got fur, scales, or chitin.

>>36603799
Yeah, I played that adventure game too.

>>36604018
>rats the size of bulldogs
nigga, there was a time on my home that a gang war between my cats and some literal dire rats happened. I tought they were some deformed rats at first glance, not hue ass rats the size of a cat.

>>36603936
I can totally see a ratfolk crime boss keeping cats for shits n giggles.

For that matter, why do people always think it's weird to do animal people with different totems? Ratfolk shaman with a snake spirit, wolf dude ranger following a magic-ass stag, etc.

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>>36604051
I always felt like if I had a ratlady companion she'd be inteligent but cold and sarcastic. Anything romance related would be unexpected because its hard to tell if she has genuine feelings for people.

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>>36603799

>>36604018
My cat liked to chase the neighbor's 150 pound lab up their deck and corner it.

Then he would sit there licking himself like two feet away while it had panic attacks.

>>36602420
>>36603604
>>36603645

So ratfolk are basically the humans in these settings?

I'm not even kidding. Everything I read about real world rats tends to make me think that the little bastards have a lot in common with us.

It'd be neat if the parallel extended to fantasy. There'd probably also be a general animosity between ratfolk and humans, which all the other races thought was odd (but fortunate) given how fundamentally similar the two species were.

>>36604115
>Wow, you rolled a natural 20!
>Let me see!

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>>36604115
God damn it Sefeiren. I guess it doesn't matter since that character turns into a huge slut who gets railed constantly and goes "Oh hey I better steal something while I'm getting fucked up the ass"

>>36604128
>editting that entire set to make it seem a horde of skavens and a kobold are playing DND

That sounds like it would be worth the tons of work

>>36604051
>>36604104

I kind of meant to emphasize that it would be more about a girl's personality than her appearance or race. If a girl is a jerk to me, I'm not going to be interested.

>>36604104
The two can start as just fuck buddies. They are kinda alike, doesnt mind different species, dont need to pay for whores at a tavern, she doesnt got the risk of getting pregnant, the human guy and the ratlady fuck sometimes, dventurers, lack of a common moral barrier, friendship.
Then in the end they simply can't get away from each other and without knowing it become their adventure party couple. They don't go around being cute, just laugh at each other like two drinking buddies and give here and there some more special care, and live happe ever after unitl the end of their days.

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>>36604060
...I haven't.

>>36604127
Humans are highly social generalists, rats are highly social generalists. Ratfolk would act very much like we would and as races we would probably get along pretty well. You're probably under the impression that anything that acts like us is "acting human", when its that language using, highly social, tool using species will generally act the same way.

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>>36604191
All I got out of that was "convince her that her appearance doesn't matter to keep her interested"

>>36604197
But what if I contract a debuff?!

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Everyone in this thread should read 'Rats and Gargoyles'.
Gnosticism, fantasy, weird shit, rats, gargoyles.

>>36604220
Primates did evolve from rodents, after all

>>36604290
I'll take a look. But tell me this.

Are there rats and gargoyles?

>>36604260
A... debuff? Are you implying your ratfolk bro-waifu is with the pest?

>>36604306
She could be a spy! Hell what if female ratfolk are going around hooking up with the human poulation to spread a sexual disease and wipe us out!?

>>36604220
Actually we'd probably tear each other up competing.

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>>36604323
The human race would be fucked

>>36604336
hehe

fucked

>>36604104

what the hell is this image from, reverse image searching did nothing for me.

>>36604323
I'll handle this, just tell me where she is.

The Redwall books had to have had a few pieces of cover art that would work

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>>36604304
There are both. As well as a city with twelve omnipotent beings, the rat king, the magical thieves guild, and mysterious druids.

>>36604351
I just saved it from a /tg/ thread. But if I had to guess I'd say it was made by ECmajor somewhere between Noverber 19th 2014 and November 21st 2014

just a hunch

>>36604336
Humanity would be fucking.

>>36604197
You just described two of my coworkers. Sans the no pregnancy bit. They've got one out and another on the way.

>>36604351
ecmajor on e621.net

Beware, he makes furry porn.

>>36604391
The warning is redundant after
>on e621.net

>>36604374
>>36604351
https://e621.net/post/show/561583/back-bra-butt-chain-clothed-clothing-ecmajor-femal

Bam nerd

and have another one
https://e621.net/post/show/521148/2014-anthro-breasts-butt-clothing-ecmajor-female-f

BAM NERD

>>36604245
Well if you're going to "convince her" of something, you might as well convince her that you like her appearance.

>>36604323
That... is a interesthing start for a campaing.
>ratfolk and humans use the same resources
>ratfolk boom on the population forces them to get more resources.
>They try to kill the human population using a disease that they are transmissors but doesnt get affected on their females.

>use poor slum ratfolk girls to do the shitty job.

>Ratgirl actually get attached to te group and doesnt like the idea of having her guy's entire race fucked, gives the hint of how to start a small operation to end the infestation.

>bonus points if it all ends with undead plague that even the ratguys werent expectng.

>>36604391
Thanks to you, I just saw Discord's penis.

I don't even.

>>36604418
No you fool. You leave vague hints that she is ideed a hideous creature and damage her self esteem so much that she'd be thankful that you'd accept sex from he- dear god I thought I was a good person.

>>36604323
Why would she do it like that? She might as well set herself on fire and hug people. There are better ways to kill humans.

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>>36604351
That's Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni. No clue who did it, but there's a start for your paheal.
She is not bro-tier ratlady, mostly because she's an insane ninja killing machine.

Also I bleev there's a sig in the corner there. bottom right.

>>36604387
Cute. how the child are coming up? They come like hybrids, like half and half or something?

>>36604415
>>36604374

thanks for the help brave anons, after a little more research character is Ink Eyes from MTG

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>>36604431
He hasn't seen Discord's dick before.

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>>36604442
Ink-Eyes seems a decent sort.

>>36604197
Ideal girl basically. Minus the fur.

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>>36604474
why does that rat have tits

>>36604431
I'm pretty sure it's not too different from the usual Bad Dragon selection.

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>>36604074
Gambian pouched rats. Cat-sized rats that are trained to smell out land mines in Africa.

And yes, you can get them as pets.

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>>36604391
>>36604415
hmmmm,
>goat vore/unbirth
absolutely horrifying
>llama pussy
That was interesting.

I must not fap.
Fap is the mind-killer.
Fap is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my arousal.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fap has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

>>36604493
Don't you mean why doesn't that rat have six tits?

>>36604493
Cuss rats are mammals.

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>>36604493
Rats feed by breast feeding. Just because people ask that about kobolds and lizard folk doesn't mean it applies to any beast race.

Retard

>>36604493
Because mammal?

>>36604447
Yeah, half human and half gingers.

>>36604536
Man mammal tits don't mean rats have human sized boobs.
>>36604534
ye

>>36604506
They also can smell tuberculosis, kill human infants, and spread monkeypox to the US prairie dog population through some weirdos holding an exotic pet convention/swap.

a human sized rat person hybrid might have tits though, although it might also have six tits, but maybe only two humanoid mammery glands.


Fuck you for bringing up the tit question and if you'll excuse me I have to blow my own brains out for my heresy, thanks for that.

>>36604479
You can't have everything. After a while you just start liking as it brushes on your sides when she sleep with you at night in the cold nights on the road. [/spoiler

>>36604534
Don't you mean 12 with the bottom most located on either side of their pussy. Ya know, if you want to be actually anatomically correct.

>>36599531
Rats are smelly and ugly. Be qt mouse person

>>36604493
The question you should be asking is why does she have only one pair.

>>36599531

Look up Nezumi shamans from L5R

>>36604607
>not a qt ratgirl domming a qt mousegirl

>>36604563
When they are personified as people it makes it a little easier to suspend disbelief. Lizardfolk, dragonborn, and kobolds on the otherhand should not have tits cause not mamals at all.
>>36604585
is right, if anything they should have more tits.

and now im reminded of the WoW joke that worgen women have 6 nipples.

>>36604607
refer to
>>36602381
>>36602395

>>36604506
So, get a cat-sized rat, then a dog-sized cat (savannah), and one of those giant dogs. Then what?

>>36599531
A race of master splinters with a strong mercantile tendancy

speaking of monster hamsters, I shall share a story.

>I once had a pet siberian hamster, his name was Rosie.
>This hamster hat red orbs for eyes, and instead of buckteeth he had straight up fangs.
>we got him at the pet store and took him home.
>My mom started handling him, and he then bit her on the hand.
>Mom, in return, thumped him on the head. he spazzed a bit,
>slowling went to bite it again.
>*thump*
>never bit anyone again

>he was nocturnal and preffered it when the room was dark and shaded.
>tended to piss and crap in his hamster ball
>we fed him a diet of raw ground beef, mealworms, carrots, and yogurt-covered berries.
>he would take time to drink the blood from the meat.
>We occasionally fed him from hand and would let him crawl over us while sitting on the couch.
>Dog never bothered the hamster since he didn't want to get pissed on.
>Dog preferred to kill squirrels and groundhogs anyway.
>passed away five years later, we put him in a small box and burried him in our backyard not to a large tree.

>I still to this day think of him whenever I read Vampire stories or see hamtaro.

Well, better make Vampire Hamster-men a thing in my setting.

>>36604474
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/bok/inkeyes
Back inna day...

>>36604671
Dire bear, I guess.

>>36604792

Or hire some huge dudes to be your butlers, dress up as napoleon and just giggle to yourself for hours on end.

I was going o use a empire with the monopoly of the technological artifacts of a ship that has fallen on their planet. It was going to be gnolls and humans working together to be a technological superpower on my setting. Now will be ratman and humans.

>>36604415
Dammir, I wold fuck a ratgirl that looked like that so hard...

>>36604585
Humans are unique in the fact that we have permanent breasts. Most mammals, including other apes, only develop them while breastfeeding and lose them afterwards.

>>36605076
But other sentint species could have permanent breasts too.

>>36604671
If we're talking about the real world, then the rat loses. Even the largest rodent is only the size of a normal pig, and they're not aggressive.
The largest mastiff doesn't hold a chance against a tiger.

>>36605138
Sapience is not linked to permanent breasts... Or is it? You might be on to something here Anon.

>>36605138
Or only develop breasts after the first pregnancy, then keep them, or any number of other variations.
Most of which have little to no impact on games.

I do think kenku shouldn't have breasts, though. Partially because beaks + nipples is a bad combination, and partially because the ability to swallow things, store them in a crop, and vomit them up later is so insanely useful for a race of thieves.
At the same time, there's no classy way to include "Racial ability to vomit on command" in a statblock.

>>36605182
Permanent breasts actually was the primary causal agent for the evolution of human sapience. Once women developed permanent breasts, men couldn't stop thinking about them, giving the evolutionary advantage to men with the intellect to think about both boobs as well as their survival needs. In response to men constantly thinking about boobs, women evolved the intelligence to keep men away from boobs and to exploit men's access to boobs. In response to that, men thought even more about boobs and how to acquire them, and the whole thing snowballed into a never ending intelligence arms race.

>>36605182
Well, they are a bit like us. The permanent breast thing we have is a bit linked with us liking them like that. Ratpeople until now seem to be really like us, so I can see them going the same way and evolve to have the breasts always developed. Could be a different number of them and on other styles tho.

>>36605206
What that anon said.r.

>>36605206
Also almost forgot. Could be called something like "tactic evacuation" or something.

>>36603815
Why is Michael Jackson fighting a giant rat?

>>36604609
You can see only two. Rest of them might still be there, just vestigial because of the lack of need for them. You kno just like cows actualy have 6 tits as well.

>>36605206
"Tits" can be actually just funny shaped, oversized goiter.

>>36604104

once you go rat, you don't go back

>>36599531

That's a cute rat

>>36605495
Eh, I think the skeletal keel should take care of it.
It would probably mean lots of gender confusion with races that do have permanent breasts, though.

>>36605637

and suddenly rat-trap gains a new meaning!

>>36605651
Cute rat traps on wench dresses being used in ratman taverns to human men entertainment and for ratman entertainment. THey can see the difference between the petite ratboy and a female, but the humans can't

>>36605700
I see that joke ending very differently than the onlooking ratmen intended.
"Haha, look at those stupid human sailors. They're actually buying drinks for Jim and Terry. Haha, now they're dancing with them. Haha, now they're even buying rooms for the night... They're not coming back down..."

>>36605762
"By the nine hells Jhil, you said it was safe. Jim is my son your micehead!"

>>36605140
What?

Anon said you can have cat-sized rats as pets. And I knew of the savannah, which is a dog-sized cat. And you got dogs that are the size of ponies. So I was just wonder that if you're going to get up-scaled pets, what else is there? That is, versions of standard pets that are extra large.

>>36604125
>150 pound lab

Sure thing.

>>36604696

> or see hamtaro

Does that happen on a regular basis?

>>36605877

Not unheard of, a good lab will weigh at least 100lbs

>>36602141
I know a chick that kept two rats as pets that were very well socialized. They would occasionally escape from their cage because they wanted to cuddle with her, she'd wake up with two rats curled up asleep under her chin.

>>36599654

This guy would probably look okay if he just didn't make that face

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>>36605872
Dire dire rats.

>>36604493
Because it's really a possum not a rat and has 2 teets.

>>36605651
Thinking the other way, actually.
Pre-pregnancy females being indistinguishable from younger males if there's no scent or voice cues.

>>36605242
Hello Lamark, how's not being as famous as Darwin doing?

>>36606009
I still occasionaly break out the old GBA game when I'm bored of Dark Souls, except I recently lost it.

anyone here read rats bats and vats??

it is relevant to the thread

>>36603329
Hamsters eating eachother's brains is pretty common knowledge.
Pet stores I've been at always tell parents to only by one hamster so lil' Susie isn't traumatized by the inevitable act of cannibalism when cleaning out hamster poop.

>>36600984
>not playing a ratfolk alchemist whose goal is to find a cure for tumors through mad experimentation.
>not playing chaotic neutral to help your race out at the expense of others.

Well since my current witch is going to die, I've got my next concept. Thanks anon

>>36604220
>we would probably get along pretty well
Until they started out-humaning the humans, then it's niche-competition genocide time.

>>36606905
Yeah, competition is always more vicious that way.

>>36606676
Rats are actually less prone to cancer than most other larger animals are, the smaller the animal, the lower its rate of growth, and thus the lower the rate of cancer

>>36606967
Uh-uh, Peto's Paradox man.

the rats of acomar is also , strangely enough about rodents, a good read in my humble opinion

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>>36604493
Because her card's art was done by Wayne Reynolds.

>>36606937
>>36606905
>Rat-Human relationships are locked in a permanent cycle of periods of shared interests of growth, trade and prosperity, until the races reach their capacity size and outstrip the resources available, leading to costly and bloody wars that leave both civilizations utterly devastated
>neither ratfolk nor humans will ever establish themselves as major players on the world stage due to their inability to assert dominance over the bro/competitor race

>>36607152

It could depend on how many other races there are, and how powerful. If there's enough to act as a break on the growth of both races then it might not get to that point.

>>36607152
More like Rats, Humans, and Goblins who live in giant mountain Fortresses carved by an ancient race of miniature Giants who died out eons ago. Living and advancing while at the same time barely managing to fend of the savage Elven hoards that infest every inch of the outside world and the planets forests. The only safe methods of travel are the deep roads filled with tiny feral half-men who feed on the blood of the enlightened races. Forced to travel out away from the warm glow of the everburning lanterns that light the darkened roads beneath the earth to harvest the wood of Stonewood Trees that only grow in the shadowed depths of the earth under the light of glowing Mushrooms tended by Myconids who are the ancient allies of the Goblins from a time now forgotten. The Mushroom-men whisper rumors of non-savage Elves living somewhere deep in the vaults miles below the deep roads but everyone knows there are no such thing as civilized friendly elves.

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If you can stand pantsless redwall aesthetic, Armello is looking interesting. We'll see if the tumblrians ruin it.

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>>36607727

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>>36607758

we need some writefag to do this, all of it

>>36607862
To /wst/!

>>36604104
>>36604474
>>36608007

I-I think I just fell in love.

>>36608167
there is no shame in lusting after rat-ass

>>36604104
>She has a ladder leading to her ass

>>36608221
Of only she gave said rat's ass.

>Playing a Human cleric of Desna on Roll20
>Reign of winter adventure path.
>Having to camp onto a forest which is in the middle of a magical blizzard
>Is summer outside said enchanted forest
>Not enough gear for withstand the unnatural cold
>Ratfolk slayer and kitsune ninja (both female) offer themselves to give some warm so I don't become Father Popsicle.

Desna, by your butterfly wings, don't let Calystria give me wet dreams.

>>36608016
we need people, people with ideas go to
>>36608185

and make rat-trap bar-wench the literary epic it was always meant to be

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>>36608747
>peddlers of non-standard sexual fantasies
I can't tell if that statement pretty much summing up this board is bad or not.

>>36608747
please tell me this thread did not die on me,
all I asked for was a story of pretty crossdressing rodents, and the human sailors who can not tell them apart from the female ones, humor and intercourse ensues

>>36600899
When they don't get tumors they live about three years.

>>36603764
I liked it from the start.
It just tells so much about the setting with a single tableau.

At the focal point, the paragons of each people stand opposed. Though the rats are clearly larger and more heavily armed and armored, the mouse champion is clearly the most aggressive, his mouth turned in an animalistic snarl.

The rat opposing him is a scarred leader who surrounds himself with brave young lads, indicating either a childish heart or an expression of grief for his lost children.

Closer to the homefront, the mice have produced several visually distinct heros. From left to right:
Flit the Blade is ready to strike, but is she friend or foe?
Sable the Glassarrow stands ready, but clearly wants nothing to do with the conflict.
Ol' Rusty has climbed out of the bottle for one last brawl.
Blackpowder Bill is weighing his chance of surviving the day.
Sam will stand between death and his loved ones come hell or high water.

The footsoldiers of the rats, however, seek no glory. They're in this conflict because their heads of state have ordered them to march. Though not all are old enough to have a sweetheart back home waiting for them, their shields will crack before they let civilians come to harm.

At the top third of the tableaux, the military leaders direct their troops forward.

Calabash the Red is well-groomed, charismatic, and confident, and his rats will not falter with him at their side.

Marcus the Evenhanded is getting on in years, but his razor sharp cunning for politics has kept him as the prime speaker in the republic house against even the strongest attempts to dislodge him.

Oh, and the mice have air support. What the fuck is that shit.

>>36611023
All I can see is "Hey bro, I feel like diving onto your spear eye-first, hold still"

>>36608813
Wot da zog? I didn't know To Catch a Predeldar got fan art!

This is my magical realm.

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>playing ratfolk
>not going full circle and playing normal rats

>>36599531
here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

>>36604696
You mean the book Bunnicula?

No, he drained veggies or something...

I hear a lot of people in this thread saying what assholes non-rat rodents are. What if your race of gregarious ratfolk frequently deals with micefolk or hamsterfolk or whatnot, but reluctantly and with great caution, because of the ducked-up things they can suddenly do?

Or what if micefolk are a straight-up blight on ratfolk society, the way goblins are for humans? Smaller, crazier, and violent-er

>>36617221
I forgot all about this, I'm going to read it all again now

>that 3rd floor

>>36606639
I wouldn't call it common knowledge. The only people that would really know that are people who work in the pet sections of pet stores, and people that recently tried to buy multiple hamsters.

>>36606676
Wait, is this the OP? How did your witch die in less than a day?

>>36618775
Neat idea, Anon. Maybe some gentle giant Capybara people. Mostly because Capybaras are shill as fuck, but also because there are precious few large races that aren't assholes.

>>36610429

I hath returned from the void of sleep, and stand ready to resume conversing about rodents and the like

>>36607152
You might be looking a bit too far into resource wars. If that were the case than all the other races would be similarly warring. Humans, halflings, gnomes, goblins, kobolds, ratfolk would all be warring over decent plots of plains and hills.

Elves are fine enough, since they'd either be focusing more on forests, or older than the other races and already well entrenched in their chosen areas. Dwarves are similar, except replace forests with mountains.

Then you get to an odd strata of various races doing just slightly better than the competitors in their chosen area. Gnomes on the high hills and low mountains. Humans on the plains and low hills. Halflings and Ratfolk on the plains and shallow tunnels. Goblins and Kobolds in the deep tunnels and caves.

Physiologically, there's nothing differentiating the ratfolk and halflings enough to avoid what you'd be describing. They have similar diets, habitats, lifespans, and most likely gestation periods.

>>36617221
I think Gammaworld had an option to play as a swarm of rats.

>>36618775
You basically just described humans and goblins in a lot of settings. You could probably reskin all of D&D into a furry Redwall-esque adventure for you and your group. Sounds like it'd be fun.

>>36602097
depends on the culture.

Some peoples believe rats to be clever.


Europeans had the whole black plague setting them back culturally for a long time, so it's somewhat understandable that they associate rates with disease and filth, but at that time the civilizations weren't very sanitary to begin with.

emptying chamber pots out the windows into the gutter and all.

>>36619522
The black plaque was worse because of peoples superstition against black cats. People would kill or drive off the cats and that allowed the rat population to spread easier. Houses that had a cat were less likely to suffer from the plague.

>>36604821
What I will do if I ever become rich

Rats are one of the species of animals that will also mate for pleasure, like humans, and have rather high libidos.

>>36619862
>The horrible secret of rat-folk
>They have one set if breasts
>Each with 3 nipples

>>36604018

In Rome, due to having at least 3 subterrean rivers AND the fucking Tiber, we have a serious rat problem.
Like, they probably could hunt cats

If I ever make the big step and decide that there will not be humans in my setting, the most numerous race is going to be ratfolk.

>>36606128
Don't rats have uncontrollable bladders and just piss anytime they have to?

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Best rat coming through!

>>36620385
No. They just do a fuckton of scent marking via urine. As a humanoid with language, they wouldn't need to do that anymore and would probably find it weird.

>>36620514
I imagine there would still be some kind of scent marking. They wouldn't have their homes labeled with numbers or name, since they could just smell whose house was whose.

>>36620535
They wouldnt do that. Seriously. Once an animal has language, why would they continue using nonlanguage based means of communication? What if they are meeting a stranger? What if they are going somewhere new? What if someone who isnt a ratfolk is visiting? They are going to need directions and labels, just like we do. Scent marking is a means of communication for an animal that is very small and lacks language. Ratfolk are just as smart as we are, have the same eye sight, and use words just like us.

Why do so many people try to keep some form of animalistic behavior for humanoid animal people? The change to humanoid brings with it a massive change to behavior and how they go about living their lives.

>>36620637
Then you run into the problem of why not just have them be humans if they're going to act exactly like humans? People want nonhumans to feel not human.

>>36620637
Note that human settlement stank horribly before we came up with the advanced sewer system we have today. And most cities still do.

>>36620675
The problem with that is that they would still be nonhuman. What people think of as acting human is just how a tool using highly social species with language acts. Once you have language and are humanoid, culture becomes your defining trait, not your animalness. We are apes, do you see us still acting like chimps? Keeping an animalistic behavior is just lazy roleplaying do to a lack of imagination and built from ignorance about culture and biology.

In addition, they are still not human. You still have to take into account how they go about life with fur, a tail, a better sense of smell, and all the things that result from being ratfolk.

I swear, furries/otherkin are probably better act roleplaying nonhumans than you guys.

>>36620792
>do you see us still acting like chimps?
That's too easy a set up for a joke, so I'm skipping that.
The differences from humans is what would make them interesting. For instance, mice/rat's front teeth are constantly growing. They have gnaw on things to wear them down. If they don't the teeth can grow into their skulls and pierce their brains. Rats can gnaw through even steel if they keep at. That heightened sense of smell and hearing would cause them to go about things differently. Buildings would need to be made differently for acoustics that didn't bother them. Perfume would most likely not be a thing for them, since it would cover their natural scents. Scents would play a larger part for them since they could tell where and who you were with. That person was with those people, that person had sex that person, those two are mates, etc.

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Mage? Wizard? You think to small, friend rat.

Planeswalker.

We can go anywhere.

>>36620881
>Perfume would most likely not be a thing for them, since it would cover their natural scents.
Sure, if you wanted the entire town to know where you've been and what you've been doing. I'd say perfumes become obsessively common to maintain a little privacy.

>>36621103
Only if their society cares about such things.

>>36620881
The teeth thing is a good example of a basic bit of biology that would strongly influence their culture They would probably have some form of dentistry that deals with their teeth, along with proverbs or sayings that go along with it. Im not saying that all of their behavior would be exactly human, but that animalistic traits would be far more subtle than is commonly expressed.

The answer to the chimp question, is that yes we do, but in subtle ways that arent obvious to people. That person who explodes in violence when they are contradicted - thats a chimp out. When that frat boy does a bunch of posturing in front of his friends by trying to show how tough and virile he is - thats chimp behavior. But its expressed in a very different way from how chimps do it, with language.

For ratfolk, their behaviors would be influenced by their rat ancestry. Rats are intensely altruistic, group sharing, democratic. Cultures of ratfolk would be very egalitarian, generally based on consensus, talking things out before resorting to violence, and they would be very family oriented.. May have a strong attraction to shiny things.

As people they would still like privacy so >>36621103 is probably correct.

>>36619986
Welp, new fetish.

>>36603329
>hamsters eat each others brain
As a former hamster owner I can confirm this. on the other no other pet shown as much inteligence when they tried to escape as hamsters did. They usually wedged up their treadwheel and used it as ladder. And once they boilt a stairway from the paperboxes we gave them as toys.
Now we have a dwrf rabbit. it's cute as fuck but damn is it stupid as hell.

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>>36614043
Of course it did ya dumb git!

>>36621189
>They would probably have some form of dentistry that deals with their teeth, along with proverbs or sayings that go along with it.

Tenpence for the barber to trim your fur (above the waist only, this is a decent place), another five for his apprentice to file down your teeth.

>>36622753
>Had a hamster
>It's cage was a fishtank with a screened lid and a fucking brick on the lid to keep it firmly pinned
>It locked the treadmill with woodchips and climbed on top
>Used a piece of cloth we gave it as a blanket to build a bridge between the treadmill and the top of the waterbottle
>Had apparently used a particularly long woodchip as a lever to pry open the lid from the inside
>Stacked food pellets to hold the top open long enough to slip out
It was baffling such a small animal could come up with such a complex escape plan. Then it went and killed itself immediately when it tried eating through a table lamp's electric line.

This might be an odd question, and I hope I'm not too late to this thread, but what's a rat's penis like?

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>no Skaven
how about Nezumi?

>>36626875
Long and thrusty. Like scary long.