You are Shee Hyul, rebel leader, psychic and Reunited. Your world is ruled by inhuman creatures and this has gone on far too long, it’s time to fight back.Character Sheet http://pastebin.com/fYSgcZdERules http://pastebin.com/LEEi5A3uArchives https://archive.moe/tg/search/username/Pally/type/op/And http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Psychic%20Rebel%20QuestSetting http://pastebin.com/95D5RNhPBusiness http://pastebin.com/NwspZmKwAllies http://pastebin.com/yVgtiFeuAlly Powers http://pastebin.com/Xm6UGDyXQM Twitter https://twitter.com/anAspiringQMQM Askfm http://ask.fm/AnAspiringQMYou and Rainya head out into the open air, making sure all of your clothes are in the right places. You where hoping to spend a little while *catching up* but apparently your quarry has arrived, and she is bringing the gigantic War Follower that you use to destroy her army with earlier, with her.You see Dev getting into his armour, Kaelyn limbering up for a fight, and Lirael sat on her rock with vines wrapped around her, you assume she and Randolph are monitoring things together. You also see the three other Rainyas checking their armour, and summoning bows of shimmering energy, getting ready for the fight ahead, wait, other three? You say to the Rainya behind you, as you work on your plan “I thought you could make five of you in total?”Rainya gives you a strange look “I can” she says “one of me is back at the Waystation, remember?”“Oh right, yes” you say “sorry, I’ve been distracted.”Rainya shrugs “you’ve had a lot to think about.”As you survey your troops you ask Rainya “So is everything alright back at the Waystation? I mean, surely they must have noticed we’ve been missing for a month?”“Oh no” says Rainya “it’s only been three days there.”Wait, what?“What?” you say, turning to give her an incredulous look.
“The time lag is horrible” Rainya confides in you “trying to think at two speeds is weird, but ah yeah, it’s the evening of the third day after we left there.”“Oh” you say faintly “Well I guess that’s chaoswells and magical forests for you.”“Devs boss visited though” says Rainya “and shouted a lot at Ms Carter – I think Dev might not have a job when he gets back.”“Hopefully we can fix that” you say as you gather your allies around you, Randolph says in your head -the War Follower is coming mother and its bringing an army, do you want me to tear it up?-At the same time, Dev lumbers over in his power armour “What’s the plan Shee?” he asks. Kaelyn, Lirael and the Rainyas likewise look to you for guidance.What is the plan?>We all head towards it, I’ll figure it out once we get there>You wait here, I’ll scout ahead>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower>Guerrilla warfare, lets use Randolph to our advantage and harass them>Other Plan (what?)
[Meta]Questions from last thread>So how would we level FotKoH In order to get the proper Split between Hesan and Skelogan when we get Corruption 5?Form of the King of Hell has levels that improve all forms. The *proper* split between the two is a matter of opinion I expect.>What is the deal with avatars in this regard? [Supposed to be your own God]Each of the Five wants a winner that agrees with them 90% of the time, they haven’t quite grasped that such Avatars don’t get very far for some reason.>Would Titanic + FotKoH be like some kind of Oni thing?Depends on which Form you mixed Titanic with>Dimensional Arsenal Armour portingSeems to be a little of confusion regarding this. Here’s how it works: the user of Dimensional Arsenal touches an item and puts it in their Dimensional Arsenal. When they pull it out again it is in the same location, relative to the user of Dimensional Arsenal. So Shee can teleport her own armour of and on her own body without having to climb into or out of it physically but Rainyas armour appears in Shees hands when taken out, so Rainya has to put it on manually. If Rainya had Dimensional Arsenal, she would be able to teleport her own armour off and on.[End Meta]
>>38445323>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower
>>38445323>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower>Go into the Psi-Well Why would we want to split Hesan and Skelagon? Skelagon and Vasis would be better in every way possible.
>>38445323>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower>Psi-well, Lirael Gestalt
>>38445323>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower>Guerrilla warfare, lets use Randolph to our advantage and harass themShees character sheet hasn't been updatet or did you not accept last threads purchase?
>>38445455updated now, thanks for spotting
>>38445323>>38445455>Psi-well, Lirael Gestaltadding
>>38445497Can our allies learn Psychic Infection, or is it a Corruption power?
>>38445323>>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War Follower>>Guerrilla warfare, lets use Randolph to our advantage and harass themTry to split them apart, and slow them down. Dev is likely stuck to just melee now however. Need to make a stand if they push towards the well. Maybe randolf can work with lirael to use our grenades best. We should have lots.
>>38445323>>You all keep the army busy, I’ll deal with the War FollowerGestalt with Randolph and Lirael.>>38445376Shapeshfiting to blend in and not be blatant demon I imagine.
>>38445560We would only use the fom for fighting and such anyway, and in worst case we could just use the improved Illusion of the Vasis to disguise ourselves.Looking human isn't a big perk in any situation where we need to throw around heavy duty psy powers anyway.
>>38445543Allies can learn it
>>38445560>Shapeshfiting to blend in and not be blatant demon I imagine.The thing is that we can already kinda do that and being a blatant demon isn't a huge disadvantage to what would be a form that's usually brought out for combat or other situations where disguises are usually irrelevant.Hesan's shifting is better than what we could do currently by a fair margin, but it's not worth sacrificing useful abilities that we could get from any of the other three forms and it has nothing much to offer other than that.
>>38445591It'd also give us access to tentacles, which would give more DR and more melee attacks. as well as a way to replenish vitae on the fly.
>>38445633>It'd also give us access to tentaclesYou mean like those things the Vasis form naturally has?In fact, it probably has more tentacles than we do naturally.
>>38445633>which would give more DRIt gives MD and RD not DR.And we don't want to use tentacles if we use a psy form. We just leave the psy form then.Also Vasis has natural tentacles.
“You keep the army busy” you say to everyone “hold them back, slow them down, I’m going to deal with the War Follower.” Kaelyn, Dev and the Rainyas nod and head out towards the edge of Randolphs area. You mesh your thoughts with Lirael and whilst in your gestalt, head to the psiwell.At the base of the large tree you sit down and immerse yourself in the power there. With your mind joined to Liraels, and in constant communication with Randolph you can see through his *eyes* as the beastmen army approaches. You see a horde of the monstrous humanoids, a mixture of human and animal. Around the edges you can see smaller groups of small green-skinned humanoids – the goblins you think. Here and there, towering over the other beastmen, six metres in height you see massive muscular beastmen with four arms, two with normal hands, two tipped with blades of bone.And towering above even them, comes the War Follower. On its back is a crude wooden construction, filled with beastmen and also, a human woman with eight mechanical limbs, Jane Vindel.The beastmen head into the forest and are attacked by the trees and the plants: lashing bone-tipped tentacles, mouths on the ends of vines, and bursts of green fire assail them as they press grimly onwards. Before they’re penetrated too deep you see arrows of light leap from behind trees, exploding when they hit their targets, as the Rainyas start picking them off. The foremost beastmen rush the nearest one only to meet Dev and Kaelyn coming the other way, Dev swinging his sword in wide strokes as Kaelyns hand and feet take a heavy toll on the attacking beastmen. As the beastmen start to bunch up and try to overwhelm them, the Rainyas fire shot after shot into their mass. Still, Kaelyn and Dev eventually have to fall back, lest they be overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Above this all the War Follower plods slowly onwards.
not going to lie, Really happy it's only been 3 days and not a month. That was kinda pissing me off.
When it is over Randolphs trees its long tentacles reach down and start uprooting trees indiscriminately, instead of just the dead ones. Its limbs also trail across the beastmen but don’t snatch any of them up. You can feel strong chaos magic surrounding the War Follower.Randolph yells in your mind, a wordless cry more of outrage than pain.You are far back from the fighting, at the Psiwell, what do you do?>Target the War Follower (what power?)>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Target the beastmen (what power?)>Other (what?)Thanks to your link to Randolph you can see the battlefield well enough to use psychic powers there.
>>38445815I wasn't too bothered. A time skip could have done interesting things to our situation.>>38445820>Target the War Follower (what power?)>Domination(Corruption) make him part of Randolph instead of the old forest
>>38445820>Target the War Follower (what power?)Lifedrain to psychic power, which is then given to Randolph
>>38445820>Target the War Follower (what power?)>Domination>Tell Kaelyn to use a Dispel on it at the same time, doesn't matter how much she actually manages to suppress, any bit can help
>>38445820>>38445820Corruption dominate the War Follower, turn him towards Randolph
>>38445815Pally is truly mercifully in his infinite wisdom. Maybe to merciful>>38445849You're right. Interesting sure, but probably problematic things
>>38445820>Ask Kay what spells are on jane and the war follower?
>>38445820>>Target the War Follower (Domination)>Kae dispel at it.
>>38445882Giving PE to Randolph takes a long time, we spend half a hour for just 10PE.
>>38445820>Domination(Corruption) make him part of Randolph instead of the old forest>Kaelyn uses Dispel on him, focusing on any mental protections she can findIf we dump 80 of Randolphs daily PE into it, our 30vitae and some 40 or so of Liraels vitae, we should be able to beat whatever mental protections she has put on it.Luckily vitae is easily gained with the source of bloodfruit, and our PE pool has gotten even larger.
Dominate the War Follower as Kaelyn uses Dispel.Please roll 2d20 and vote on psychic energy used.No need to vote on chaos energy as Kaelyn is using a prepared spell.You have full PE and vitae, Lirael has full vitae and the psiwell is at 80/90.
Rolled 14, 16 = 30 (2d20)>>3844607914070Randolph+40Lirael+30vitae Shee
Rolled 7, 1 = 8 (2d20)>>3844607960
Rolled 4, 7 = 11 (2d20)>>38446079100 - you decide ratio
Rolled 3, 8 = 11 (2d20)>>3844607940 psi well20 vitae Shee50 Lirael
Rolled 6, 19 = 25 (2d20)>>38446079160
>>38446086>30vitae SheeWe shouldn't use up our vitae fully, better use some PE. Vitae is more effiecient in paying for Shadowcraft, especially since there is a good chance we might want to use Shadow Arms.
-Kae- you send into her mind –get ready to dispel whatever protections it has!- You see Kae nod as she straightens, then kicks another beastman in the chest.“Buy me some time!” she yells to Dev and Rainya as she drops back and starts casting her spell.You see her swiftly craft a delicate symbol of light and throw it at the War Follower, where it explodes into a multicoloured display of magic. You’re not sure what that did but you hope it helped.As Kaelyn steps up to fight by Devs side again you use your psychic abilities, driving a mental command into the War Followers brain.You focus on how its a part of the forest, and how it sees Randolph as an invader, an intruder. You try to flip its perceptions around, getting it to see Randolph as the true forest, and the old forest as the invasive growth.[Psiwell 30/80, Shee Vitae 5/30, Lirael Vitae 130/160]The War Followers mind is animalistic, not quite as intelligent as a person, and you could seize control easily...if there wasn’t already someone in here directing it.You can feel a powerful and malign presence forcing the War Follower to act against its natural instincts and ignore the beastmen and uproot living trees.Your command stops the War Follower in its tracks and it quickly snatches up dozens of beastmen and begins feeding. You haven’t managed to truly control it, but your attempt at control has countered the existing hold on its mind, Jane Vindels you assume. Free of influence the War Follower returns to its natural habits.Inside the War Followers Mind you can feel the other presence attempt to regain control, but you stymie them for now, the two of you battling over the mind of the War Follower.Actions?>Keep trying to control the War Follower>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Target the beastmen (what power?)>Other (what?)
>>38446330>Keep trying to control the War FollowerBATTLE OF THE MIND
>>38446330>>Keep trying to control the War FollowerMind battles
>>38446330>Keep trying to control the War Follower>OtherTell our allies to get away form it>>38446354You got it bro
>>38446330>Keep trying to control the War Follower
>>38446330>>Keep trying to control the War Follower>Have our allies shoot at Jane from distance if possible.
>>38446394Good idea, if they aren't to busy that is
>>38446330>Keep trying to control the War Follower>Target Jane Vindel (Quickened Drain Power: Chaos Magic)
>>38446418I think Main-Jane controls the War Follower, not the duplicate that leads the army.
>>38446330>>Keep trying to control the War FollowerAs long as it eats beastmen and not trees or allies. Jane has to try and rip it away.Call on rainya to throw some fire(1 clone worth) at the wooden seat, not at jade herself yet.
please roll 1d20+24 and vote on extra PE used as you try to control the War Follower.Average of first 3 votes used
Rolled 17 + 24 (1d20 + 24)>>3844658850 (from well)
Rolled 1 + 24 (1d20 + 24)>>3844658840
Rolled 19 + 24 (1d20 + 24)>>38446588Why +24 and nor Liraels mod? Or is it because of Corruption?50
>>38446600The well only has thirty left and I'd rather not take it offline for twenty days.
>>38446625That is an excellent point, then 50 from.. not well
>>38446617Good point, I forgot that, will add manually.
You keep battling for control of the War Follower, using it you can win this whole battle! You are dimly aware of your allies continuing to battle the beastmen, and of some of them starting to take hits from the beastmens crude clubs and axes, nothing serious yet, but the numbers are starting to tell. The Rainyas are now fighting in close quarters, laying about them with blades of shimmering light.With Liraels help you seize control of the War Followers mind and expel the other influence trying to drive it forwards.[Lirael Vitae 84/160]Under your direction its tentacles tear into the beastmen underneath it and reach up to pluck the beastmen off its back. When a tentacle brushes Jane she disappears, only to reappear near your allies, Dev is closest to her. Before you can react she blasts Dev with a bolt of magical energy, hurling him backwards.[Dev HP 0/32]Although you fear the worst Randolph can still feel Devs prone body moving slightly on the moss as he breathes, unconscious.Jane gathers her powers to hit Dev again, only for Kaelyn to charge at her.Together the Rainyas and the War Follower are rapidly thinning the ranks of the remaining beastmen.Actions?>Heal Dev >Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Target the beastmen (what power?)>Other (what?)Also, you’ve taken control of the War Follower and can direct it as a puppet, but as soon as you stop concentrating it will go back to its natural behaviours.Will you Corrupt it to be a part of Randolph?>Y/N
>>38446803>Heal DevQuicken heal devlife drain. Some beast menCorupt, Y
>>38446803>Heal Dev>Get war follower to get Jane awayN (its a trap)
>>38446803>Quicken Heal Dev>Teleport to Jane>Y
>>38446803>Heal Dev Y
>>38446803>Heal Dev >Y
>>38446803>Quickened Heal Dev >Target Jane Vindel (Drain Power: Chaos Magic)>NI want a pet War Follower, not a meat-puppet for Randolph.
>>38446803>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)Psychic Static>Y
>>38446803>Heal Dev(Quicken)>Make the War Follower attack Jane Vindel>N
>>38446803>>38446879changing to>Quicken Heal Dev>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Psychic Static>Y
>>38446803>heal dev>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)Psychic Static>Ybetter so we can free our attention to fully attack jane
>>38446803>Will you Corrupt it to be a part of Randolph?>>Y
Quickened Heal DevPsychic Static (Jane)and CorruptPlease roll 4d20 and vote on extra PE used forHealPsychic StaticNote, due to your bonus, Quicken does not need extra PE
Rolled 8, 17, 4, 4 = 33 (4d20)>>384470453040Not entirely sure where from is best
>>38447045Did devs auto doc kick in? Or out of meds.
Rolled 11, 6, 3, 14 = 34 (4d20)>>38447045
Rolled 12, 13, 4, 4 = 33 (4d20)>>38447045
>>38447075out of meds, as you surmised
Rolled 7, 16, 3, 7 = 33 (4d20)>>384470455/20
ok, I guess 2 votes will have to do
>>3844718113 answers on your post just a moment ago, 2 now.. what
Need to blast some beastmeb with kife drain soon, so we can go ahead and top back up for now.
>>38447294What are you talking about?
>>38447355I was thinking just the same
>>38447360Presumably, the overcharge vote.>>38447355Wouldn't do anything. We haven't used any of our Psychic Energy yet, and that's all it can restore.
>>38447355Life draining them isn't very efficient unless we get them in a densly packed group.As of now we handn't even expended any PE yet.
>>38447403With gesalt can we restore allies energy since we drain there's?
Just noticed that Willpower in the charsheet still says 9. Didn't we buy 10?
>>38447428We can't restore Vitae, the only resource Lirael has, and restoring the psiwell's reserves would be a slow process, if it's even possible.
You pour healing energies into Dev, repairing the flesh that has been charred by Jane’s energy blast.At the same time you spare some attention for Jane, creating a field of roiling psychic energy around her, to inhibit her powers.[PE 44/59, Psiwell PE 13/90, Lirael Vitae 54/160]Finally, the part of you that is Corruption, the desire to bend the world to your will wraps around the War Follower and Randolph, linking them together.-Mother...- says Randolph -what are you do...oh!- To you its a simple effort to incorporate the War Followers simple mind into Randolph, making it a part of him just as the plants are. With that done you relinquish your hold over its mind and Randolph takes over, directing it to rip into the beastmen with abandon.-This is fun!- exults RandolphDev climbs to his feet, fully healed, as the Rainyas surround and protect him, cutting down any beastmen that get too close.Kaelyn leaps at Jane, only for the spider-legged lady to cast a burning yellow skull at Kaelyn “I call this *Death by Agony*!” she yells at Kaelyn.Kaelyn is briefly surrounded by the image of a dragon, superimposed upon her own. The skull shatters into fragments when it hits the dragons scales.[CE 307/322, HP 103/113]“Is that all you have?” Kaelyn says contemptuously as she punches Jane Vindel in the face, knocking her reeling. Jane Vindel stumbles back and would have fallen were it not for her many legs.“No” gasps Jane, her face a bloody ruin, bone sticking through her check where Kaelyn hit her “I have so much more to show you.”Actions?>Just wait, your allies got this>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Target the beastmen (what power?)>Other (what?)
>>38447547>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Teleport to her>Titanic Form, Ego-Humblin Strike
>>38447547>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)Life drain, full throttleor can we use something to protect or buff Kae?
>>38447547>Use all three of your aspects to block the foreshadowed usage of her own aspect.All three are applicable.
>>38447450I thought we did too. Guess not.>>38447547Not really sure what powers would be the best for this, but I think we need to catch that Jane clone and rip the info about the real body out of its head.Or we could try to do Corruption shenanigans to it. That might fuck her up somehow.
>>38447639>>38447636I will accept this as>or can we use something to protect or buff Kae?So I change my vote to second this>>38447636
>>38447547>Teleport to her(Quicken)>Titanic Form, Ego-Humbling Strike
>>38447617Why would we activate TF to use EHS? Can we even use EHS in TF? I doubt giant meaty Titanic fingers can work the trigger properly.
>>38447547>>Target Jane Vindel (what power?)>Life drain, full throttlethis>>38447636
>>38447745>Can we even use EHS in TF?Our hammer is a focus weapon.
>>38447745Titanic Form gets a free focus weapon in the form of a big fucking hammer, IIRC.
>>38447547Drain power, chaos magic on jane.Afterwards. Quicken warped life drain on a group of beastmen.
Life Drain of Jane Vindel appears to have the most votesroll 1d20+29 and vote on extra PE used
>>38447771>>38447772Thought it required a ranged weapon focus for some reason. Just checked and saw I was wrong. Sorry about that.
Rolled 18 + 29 (1d20 + 29)>>38447827That seems like a bad idea, but alrightWe should have at least maximized empowered it.
Rolled 13 (1d20)>>384478270rebound here we come.
Rolled 9 + 29 (1d20 + 29)>>3844782730
Rolled 10 + 29 (1d20 + 29)>>3844782720 own pool
>>384478270. Wanted to blast some mooks, of well.
>>38447866>>38447883Why do you want to waste our PE on a simple life drain? It won't even make that much back.Especially since you didn't even Maximized nor Empowered it. And most likely it will fly back into our face, because its our primary attack spell and she will have a defense against it.
Rolled 19 + 29 (1d20 + 29)>>3844782730
>>38447861The reason it's probably a bad idea is the same reason we don't want to do that.>>38447827Darn, I was hoping my write-in to block with our aspects would've gotten more support.
>>38447866>>38447883>>38447938We waste a lot of shit adding PE to lifedrain the damage boost and pe recovery is minimal.
>>38447976If you would have had some clear idea of 'what' exactly we are supposed to do, I would have supported it.But it can't be worse then the Life Drain idea, so whatever.
How do we even Life Drain her? She is out of range.
>>38447976Me too, it would have been interesting to see the result
>>38448048We are linked with randolf, we have full range where he does.
>>38448079There is nothing stating that, its not part of the Psi-Well, nor are we in gestalt with him.So I would like some clear mechanics on that.
>>38448099>There is nothing stating that>>38445820>Thanks to your link to Randolph you can see the battlefield well enough to use psychic powers there.
>>38448112It specifically says that it allows us to see for targeting purposes, and says nothing about Randolph counting as exxtension of us for range purposes.Not to mention I specifically asked for a mechanical underpinning for that, since how this works is pretty important.
>>38448168I guess we will find out in a moment
>>38448218I am more worried about a redirect then a reflect.Have to see, she seems to not have a firm hold on the depth of our powers, just which ones we have.
Should've declared a use of Impossibility to bypass countermeasures.
As Jane prepares to cast another spell, Kaelyn swings a kick at her. Before the kick even lands you lash out with your power and Jane simply drops to the ground, dead, Kaelyns kick sweeping through empty air where her head used to be.[PE 57/57]“Oh bugger this!” curses Kaelyn as she overbalances, just catching herself before she falls over.Meanwhile the beastmen fall apart under the combined assault of the Rainyas and the War Follower, only a few manage to escape back into the old forest.The battle is over.“Is everyone ok?” asks Kaelyn, looking around.“Yeah” says Dev “that hurt like hell but I’m ok-”An explosion of magical energy interrupts him, coming from the body of Jane Vindel, or from her duplicates body at any rate you think. Fortunately only Kaelyn is close enough to be affected by it and the image of the dragon reappears briefly, shielding her from harm. Dev and the Rainyas are too far away to be affected.[CE 282/322, HP 93/113]The trees and plants around her simply crumble to dust however, leaving her in a small dead space a few metres across, devoid of life.-Yeowch!- complains Randolph –What was that?--Some sort of spell- you tell him.-It hurt!- he complains –Mother everything just died!--It’s alright- you reassure him –It’ll grow back--I’m going to stop her from doing that again- he grumbles, and you sea the War Follower start to turn-Not yet- you tell him gently –We need a plan first--Msfsrgh hmmp!- responds RandolphWith your link to Randolph you can tell there are no more enemies on the battlefield and you call you allies back to base, but you are still unsure of where Jane Vindel *is*.
>>38448276Yeah, that could be a real bitch, but lets hope she is more focused on Kae, as bad as that sounds
You expect her to be hiding somewhere in the old forest, but where? Perhaps a planning session with your allies is in order.Actions?>Discuss plan with allies>Wait, she’ll attack again, and you can beat her again>I already know what to do...(what?)>>38448168>>38448099Well I was going to have that turn up in dialogue, but sure[Corruption: Whilst physically present at the Psiwell and in mental contact with Randolph you can use any psychic power as if physically present anywhere within Randolphs area.]
>>38448300Well, that was blind luck right there.>>38448326>Discuss plan with allies>We wait until Randolps Psi-Well is replenished, and then rip Janes location from the mind of the old forest.
>>38448326We could try to work with Randolph to corrupt more of the old forest and find out exactly where Jane is and then assault that location.
>>38448326>Discuss plan with allies>Rainya uses Plurality for greater scrying defense.
>>38448326>Discuss plan with allies>We wait until Randolps Psi-Well is replenished, and then rip Janes location from the mind of the old forest.>See if you can help Randolph push deeper in.>>38448363Wasn't it though?
>>38448326>Check for Jane's real agenda with this attack (Yes I am that paranoid)Did she plant something inside the war follower?>Discuss plan with alliesI say we try to take over the forest
>>38448373Even if we do, it will grow steadily into her direction, she will get enormous amount of time in forewarning we found her location.>>38448326>Discuss plan with allies>Rainya uses Plurality for greater scrying defense.>We wait until Randolps Psi-Well is replenished, and then rip Janes location from the mind of the old forest.
>>38448390I assume we can help Randolph to push deeper by strengthening the well.
>>38448464Should we ask pally for the fbb xp and push 2 levels of durability to feed him more health?
>>38448326>Discuss plan with allies>Including Randolph and ways for him to actively push deeper into the old forest >Rainya uses Plurality for greater scrying defense.>We wait until Randolps Psi-Well is replenished, and then rip Janes location from the mind of the old forest.
>>38448492We should get those XP now anyway.We get them awarded after the fight usually.
>>38448540Maybe it isn't over yet
Rolled 19 (1d21)Forged By Battle XP 6and rolling
>>38448568>Forged By Battle XP 6Is that how much we gained or our total?
>>38448599How much we gained.
>>384485994 is our minimum gain, and we already had 4.So, now we got exactly 10 FBB XP.
>>38448599Had 4, 6 puts us to 10. Durability is 4 each now.Gain. We can get 2 durability for fater regen, so we can feed randolf, or increase fbb by 2 ranks and get more per fight.
>>38448637Get dura 10 then.
>>38448599gained, you have 10 total
>>38448650I'm not in favour of that.Getting 5HP/hour isn't a huge improvement, unless we plan to stay here and wait for some time.If we decide to or find a way to get to her fast, it would be a waste.
>>38447450>>38447657We did, it's just not on the sheet.
>>38448722The extra gain's help cut down our heal time( we have to naturally heal what we give Randolph) and gives us a larger hp pool.
>>38448722We probably are tho
>>38447657>Or we could try to do Corruption shenanigans to it.If onyl we had Infectious Form. We could make her into a clone of us.I don't think that works, but it would be amazing and hilarious
>>38448728>it's just not on the sheet.LiesI fixed it when it was pointed out
>>38448659Any particular reason that the Gift Durability has weaker regeneration than Champion Durability with no other differences?>>38448765I regret nothing.>>38448650It'd be Durability 9.
>>38448749>and gives us a larger hp poolThe gain from Durability in HP pool is so tiny its basically irrelevant.The HPregen rate is the only relevant part of it, and I rather feed Randolph PE directly and save the XP.If we plan to wait anyway, then the time cost of feeding him PE doesn't matter, and getting Durability only makes sense IF we plan to stay longer.So either way Dura doesn't seem worth it to me.
>>38448749Lets us throw down 40 before going to sleep and being full when back awake.
>>38448814>Any particular reason that the Gift Durability has weaker regeneration than Champion Durability with no other differences?Its both 1HP/hour on rank 9.
>>38448819We regen health faster than PE right now. also has a larger pool.
>>38448864We can get PE faster with Life Drain, while we can't heal that diminished health on the spot.We need more HP than PE too in a fight.
>>38448765What would peoples opinions being on trying to corrupt some of Rainya's duplicates for strength/agility ect?
>>38448814>Any particular reason that the Gift Durability has weaker regeneration than Champion Durability with no other differences?The regen rate should be the same, if I've messed it up, please point out where, and I'll correct it
>>38448845Lower ranks are the same, but it's weaker at high ranks. 1/round vs 1/minute at R19.>>38448819Durability gives bonuses to STR, CON, DR and a decent HP bonus in addition to it's regen. These are not irrelevant factors.
>>38448913yeah... noI am all in on corrupting a Jane though.
>>38448915>Durability gives bonuses to STR, CON, DR and a decent HP bonus in addition to it's regenWe barely need CON for anything and a STR bonus of +1, DR+2 and HP +5 is not worth 8XP.
>>38448819Well it is forged by battle xp pool. Combat skills and jaggy gifts.I would be for raising fbb also, get 6 xp a fight then, more if it is harder. We have 1 or 2 left here.
>>38448956It's 8xp that can hardly be spent on anything else. What would you rather spend FBBxp on?
>>38448913Die in a chemical fire.>>38448915>At Durability of the King of Hell 15 your bonus to constitution rises to +15, your bonus hit points to +60 and you heal 1 hit point every 5 minutes.>At Durability of the King of Hell 17 your bonus to constitution rises to +17, your bonus hit points to +70 and you heal 1 hit point every 2 minutes.>At Durability of the King of Hell 19 your bonus to constitution rises to +19, your bonus hit points to +80 and you heal 1 hit point every minute.Vs.>At Champion Durability 15 your bonus to constitution rises to +15, your bonus hit points to +60 and you heal 1 hit point every 3 minutes.>At Champion Durability 17 your bonus to constitution rises to +17, your bonus hit points to +70 and you heal 1 hit point every 1 minute.>At Champion Durability 19 your bonus to constitution rises to +19, your bonus hit points to +80 and you heal 1 hit point every 1 round.
>>38448941Nope she dies, we made an oath.>>38448977Betting he wants artificing.
>>38448967We could also buy Might to make ourselves more combat capable and unlock higher level Jaggi gifts, or get Artifice to fuck up her spider legs.Or more Titanic Form.>>38448913Mutations affect all Rainyas, I already asked that some time ago.
>>38448978Thanks, will realign them to be the same rate of regen.
>>38448998>Nope she dies, we made an oath.He said A Jane, meaning one of her Duplicates.>>38448977Jaggi and combat gifts are not "hardly anything else". Thats a pretty big pool of things.Most importantly improving Might or Titanic Form, which would also reduce the cost of Invulnerable Hide.
>>38449003I am all for pushing fbb to 8, so we can get 1 or 2 ranks of stuff a fight.
>>38448998>Nope she dies, we made an oath.I meant a Jane clone, making it oursI agree Jane is going down. If we could mount her head on a spike, striking terror into the hearts of those that even dare thinking to hurt our family, it should be done
>>38449044>which would also reduce the cost of Invulnerable Hide.While in Titanic Form.Might has even less of an argument for getting it than Durability.
>>38449073Thats another option, right.
>>38449082>Might has even less of an argument for getting it than Durability.Unlocking higher level Jaggi gifts is a pretty compelling argument to me. Especially since we are closing in on 10 with him.
>>38449082Better jaggy gifts need 3 to 5 ranks in it.It is blocking us from unlocking more.
>>38449111>>38449116Eh. I don't see much point to it. We'd get a few more potential gifts, probably just physical offense oriented things, with no guarantee they'd be worthwhile or even show up at all, and the power itself is basically a worse version of Durability.
You head back to the main camp, maintaining your mental link to Randolph but letting the gestalt dissolve. You and Lirael welcome the conquering heroes home “Well done everyone” you say “I know that was difficult but you all fought like heroes out there, I am proud of you all.”Dev gives a tired nod, the Rainyas seem embarrassed and Kaelyn says “Killstealer” but she is smiling at least.Everyone sits down and you and Lirael hand out drinks.“Rainya” you say “We need to be as private as we can, is there anything you can...”Yeah” says Rainya, and they start to multiply, until there are twenty Rainyas present “but. Its. Really. Hard. To .think. like this.” Say the Rainyas, each word coming from a different mouth.“Uh, wow...” you say, momentarily stunned by how far Rainyas powers have come. You have to work hard to focus on the current situation and not imagine the private islet in your realm occupied by dozens of happy giggling Rainyas wearing just flowers in their hair...“Anyway” you say, back to the matter at hand you think regretfully “we’ve taken away a big asset of hers” you nod to the placid War Follower in the distance “but Vindel is still out there, we need to find her, and fast – I was thinking of trying to pull her location from the mind of the old forest, but it would burn a lot of my reserves, given how strong its mind is, and if it warns her, she might relocate, or attack, thoughts?”“This is magic stuff” says Dev, holding his hands up helplessly “I don’t really know enough to help.”“Thinking. Is. hard” says the Rainyas.“We can help you beat the forest” says Lirael loyally, “me and Randolph can do it with you Shee.”-And I can try to push at the forest- says Randolph, -the more I push him back, the weaker he gets.-“Thanks” you say to both of them “but we might be better waiting until the psiwell has recovered some.”
“There is another option” says Kaelyn hesitantly “I’ve been thinking about this for a while but...”“Go on” you say encouragingly.Kaelyn continues “I think” she says “that the old forest has a focul point for its own *Heart* - its own chaoswell, I felt the energies of a chaoswell but it was spread across the whole forest, I think it feeds off the chaoswell, the same way *Randolph* is fed by the Psiwell. If we find it I could try to weaken it or destroy it or even” She pauses, before continuing “Or even with the help of a psychic, drain its power into the psiwell, weakening the old forest *and* strengthening Randolph at the same time, but it would be risky.”You recall the last time Kaelyn drained a chaoswell, and what happened. Still it is an option.“Does that mean Vindel will be at the chaoswell though?” says Dev Kaelyn shakes her head “too obvious” she says “she will probably have a duplicate there, to enable her to draw on its power but as a base, it would be too obvious for her to be there I think.”“And can you locate it?” you ask Kaelyn“I think so” she says, nodding slowly “it might take hours, or days, but yes, I think I can.”What is the plan?>Wait until you have enough power, rip Vindels location from the old forest>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forest>Have Kaelyn find the chaoswell>Other (what?)
>>38449326>probably just physical offense oriented thingsMore than just that
>>38449326>and the power itself is basically a worse version of DurabilityNow you are just being silly. It heavily buffs our main mode of attack, which is maximum tentacles.Its perfectly worth it on its own.>>38449368>Wait until you have enough power, rip Vindels location from the old forest>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forestDumping all that power into the still too small Ranolph seems unsafe to me.
>>38449368>>Have Kaelyn find the chaoswell>>38449326More tech stuff and anti-magic as well.
>>38449368>Wait until you have enough power, rip Vindels location from the old forest>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forest
>>38449368>Wait until you have enough power, rip Vindels location from the old forestWe should redirect the chaoswell power after we dealt with Vindel.
>>38449368>Have Kaelyn find the chaoswellThis time, maybe we can do it together>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forestYou don't feel bad for taking over dad, do you Randolph?
>>38449368>>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forest>>Have Kaelyn find the chaoswellBoth.We have randolf push, which reduces on the area to search and is a distraction.We also feed Randolf some more here and there too.I vote for spending the fbb xp on durability or more fbb. Maybe we get morw to push artifice later, if we raise fbb enough after 3 might.
>>38449368>Wait until you have enough power, rip Vindels location from the old forest>Randolph tries to grow faster, taking more territory from the old forestI don't really want to see a repeat of our last chaoswell draining.
>>38449542Well siphon the energy from Old forest to Randolph, Last time we didn't have a forest ready to eat the excess energy for us.
>>38449572>You recall the last time Kaelyn drained a chaoswell, and what happened.Considering Shee draws a direct comparison, I really don't want to risk it.And there is no guarantee that Randolphs psiwell is more capable of handling that huge surge of chaos energy better than Kaelyn did.
>>38449599Safer to split between him kae and us than her tackling it all herself.A fae, a demigoddess, and a genius Loci should be able to handle it. Besides her dad can't hunt us anymore.
>>38449572Thats one option, but its also said to be risky.By KAE. Kae finds it risky.Seriously, no.
>>38449656It wouldn't be a split between us thouzgh.It would go from one into the other, so it would go first into Kae, then us and then Randolph.Everyone gets still the full load.
>>38449657Thats why we do it and not her, she can be there for us when it fucks up this time
Ok, writing wait and having Randolph grow faster it is.In the mean time, might as well put XP to a voteSpend XP?>No>Forged By Battle>Durability>Both >other (what?)10 minute vote whilst I write the update
>>38449657If we find it, the threat may draw her out.even if we do nothing with it, it is a good research for us other then waiting around.
>>38449697>Noor>Forged By Battle
>>38449681Still much of the reason she had issues was overload, we make a circuit we can cut the wire after Randolph has had his fill. WE take ours and if there is any left over Kae can handle it.>>38449697>>Durability
>>38449697>No>>38449692We can't handle chaos energy, the plan Kaelyn proposed was she draws it out, into us and we pump it as Psi energy into Randolph.Kaelyn will always have to do it.
>>38449711>>38449748For what purpose?>>38449697>Durability
>>38449697>Forged By BattleFaster xp for more jaggy gifts
>>38449697>NoI see no reason to right now. Dura just isn't worth it.Maybe>Forged By BattleI might agree with.
>>38449753For what purpose wasting our XP on Durability now?There is no point. If we are willing to wait so long, we might as well feed him PE directly.
>>38449705>If we find it, the threat may draw her out.>I'll just reveal myself after my enemy has taken control of one of my most potent resources, this makes sense>>38449755>>38449748>>38449711Seriously, why the fuck are people voting as a flat no?You can write in other powers if you want those instead and saving it is kind of stupid and pointless.
>>38449782Well faster xp means we can also buy artifice and might easier.Artifice has nice atuff with our realm later.
>>38449815>Seriously, why the fuck are people voting as a flat no?Because I don't want to spend these XP on anything right now, because a situation might come up where we might need them for something else.There is no pressing need for anything right now except maybe FBB, but we might need the XP for something before the next two fights.
>>38449808HP recovers 5 times faster the PE, so it'd be better for feeding.CON *is* useful, even if you don't get that without Durability's boosts we could be OHKO'd with no saving throw by an empowered maximized eviscerate.STR is alright, I'm not complaining.2 points of DR is a decent thing.I'm not even saying to spend it on Durability, just spend it on *something*, there's no point in saving FBB XP.
>>38449697>Forged By Battle
>>38449859>HP recovers 5 times faster the PE, so it'd be better for feeding.No, it wouldn't. If we get attacked while down on HP through feeding, we can't get those HP back during the fight. We can get spend PE back during the fight.So its significantly less risky.CON has a few highly situational uses, none of which are pressing immediate threats, and Dura wouldn't even help that much against them compared to other means.2DR is basically nothing.
Hm, wonder how Chaos Sorceress Spider Cyborg Quest is doing now.
>>38449889>No, it wouldn't.5/hour is five times 1/hour, anon. That's just basic mathematics.
Looks like to No's have it
>>38449906I directly explained right after that stament why no, it wouldn't be better for feeding.
“Handing a chaoswell sounds too risky” you say to Kaelyn “thanks for the idea, but we’ll stick with waiting until the psiwell is has recovered, in the meantime, I want Randolph to push as hard as he can to grow, and push the old forest back.”-Will do!- promises Randolph.And so you spend the next ten days waiting for the psiwell to recover. Its recovery is slow as Randolph draws energy from it to fuel his growth and despite your efforts to strengthen it, the best you are able to do is help it recover a little faster.You’re not bored in that time though. The beastmen attacks increase in frequency and number, even the beasts of the old forest join them in near constant assaults upon your territory. You and your allies are run ragged defending Randolph against these incursions, allowing him to save his energies on growing.Still, your efforts have some success. After 10 days of focused growth, Randolph has increased his area of influence by around 50% and the psiwell is fully recovered.You are full of vitae, as is Lirael, and your psychic energy has recovered.Do you assault the old forests mind now, or wait for Randolph to grow more?>Now>Wait (how long?)>Other (what?)
>>38449982>NowKae, Dev, Rainya, set up some wards, we're going to get rushed when we do this.
>>38449982>NowHow much PE does he regenerate per day anyway? Must be slower than 1/hour if it took him 10days.
>>38449982>Now>Rainyas Plurality>>38450029Kaelyn can't make the sort of Ward you are thinking about, her Ward seed is energy protection.
>>38450033He regenerates the full amount each day normally, it just refilled slower when he was actively pushing against the Old Forest.
>>38450033>How much PE does he regenerate per day anyway?1/hour normally, less if forcing faster growth
>>38450078What? Didn't the psiwell thing say that it regenerated back to the full amount each day?
>>38450107It said we can use 90 per day without shutting it down, but he still has a pool of 900 which replenishes as normal.
>>38449982>The beastmen attacks increase in frequency and number, even the beasts of the old forest join them in near constant assaults upon your territory. You and your allies are run ragged defending Randolph against these incursions, allowing him to save his energies on growing.FBB activates or do it only work on fights that we vote through?
>>38450107you are correct, the 90 points normally refills every day, apologies for the error.
>>38450135Seems obvious to me it only counts fights important enough to warrant a actual update of their own.
>>38450135>FBB activates or do it only work on fights that we vote through?Only on fights you play through
>>38450176I was 99% sure that'd be the case, but it can't hurt to ask.>>38450190Thanks
Rolled 6 (1d21)Going for it now it is.Please roll 1d20+27 to read the old forests mind and vote on extra PE used.Average of 3 votes used
Rolled 6 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845027350 from RandolphNo gestalt bonus? We should have mentioned it, I suppose.
Rolled 18 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845027389 from Randolph
Rolled 18 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>38450273damned dice, stop dropping
Rolled 10 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>38450273100 to counter the zerofag.
>>38450292>No gestalt bonus?+20 Mind Reading (Lirael)+4 Gestalt (you, Randolph)+3 Psiwell
>>38450336My bad, I forgot that Mind Reading is a not a Command power.
>>38450273>>38450319>>38450326>>3845033391. Hope thats enough.
>>38450378I hope we aren't thick enough to draw all of that from the psiwell. I'd hate to shut it down for a day for virtually no gain.
>>38450425Anon.Anon pls.91 is our roll, we expended 46PE from Randolphs well.
With the psiwell restored, you and Lirael head to it and form a gestalt not only with each other, but with Randolph as well. Together your triplicate mind reaches out and attempts to breach the defences of the old forest.-You won’t find the Creator!- thunders the old forest at you –I won’t let you!-And indeed, you don’t know Janes exact location, but you can see that her real self is hidden away in a network of caves at the edge of the forest, right against the canyon walls. You don’t know exactly which cave she is in, but you have it narrowed down to a square kilometre or so.[Psiwell 44/90]>Get an exact location (keep mind reading)>Go there now (teleport? walk?)>Other (what?)
>>38450474>Go there now (Walk)
>>38450474>Go there now (teleport? walk?)>Subtle Shadow Jump
>>38450474How far away is it from us?For now>Go there>Subtle Teleport to the edge of the forest.
>>38450548>How far away is it from us?15 kilometres
>>38450474>Get an exact location (keep mind reading)
>>38450474>>38450548Changing to>Get an exact location (keep mind reading)Walking 15km through the forest will give him more then enough time to warn her and her to react.
>>38450474I want to corrupt the new forest after taking its mind over.
>>38450474>Get an exact location (keep mind reading)Attempt to place seeds of corruption in it's mind while doing so.
>>38450603Randolph is the new forest and our son, no.
>>38450474>Get an exact location (keep mind reading)We gotta be really fast, to get the drop on her.
Mind reading it isplease roll 1d20+27 and vote on extra PE used, 5 votes will be used.
Rolled 2 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845070040
Rolled 7 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845070030Can we do it subtle?
Rolled 4 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845070080
Rolled 9 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845070010
how long to approximately intend to keep running pally?
>>38450721>Can we do it subtle?Yes
Rolled 15 + 27 (1d20 + 27)>>3845070040
>>384507541-2 more updates I think
Guys I just remembered something, we have the ability to take people's magic from them. If we locate Jane Vindel we can point at her and say >"I take from you your ability to use Chaos magic. I take from you your ability to use the gifts of the Infinite Mirror" And suddenly she's powerless.If we heap on enough impossibility we should be able to overcome her own aspect(s), but that would probably be an opposed check.Still, I think this bears remembering.
>>38450969>we have the ability to take people's magic from themNo we don't.
>>38450969>we have the ability to take people's magic from them.No we don't.
>>38450969Didn't we lose that at the end of the encounter with Reaper because we didn't have the xp to make it permanent?
>>38450969Nope we didn't have the exp to hold onto it after Kae's dad hit us with it.
You push deeper into the mind of the old forest, you need to know exactly where Jane Vindel is before you go hunting for her, searching through innumerable caves will take too long, giving her the perfect opportunity to launch a counter-attack, or flee.Though it takes a great effort, you finally break through the last of the old forests mental defences.[Lirael vitae 120/160]You see Jane Vindel in one of the caves, it has a lived-in look with a bed, a wash stand, even cupboards and wardrobes. It also has a makeshift lab and a space set aside for ritual magic. All of this you see in the old forests mind, as well as the location. One of the side caves, nothing obvious to mark it out as her true hiding place from the outside. You could walk over there and be right by her front door, or even teleport into her home.-Creator I failed to protect you- laments the old forest, its voice weaker now –But I will not fail to warn you!- You feel its mind reaching out to contact Jane Vindel.Actions (old forest)>Let it warn her>Dominate it>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Other (what?)If Corruption wins there will be a further 5 minute vote with the following options:- Corrupt it to obey you - Corrupt it to hate Jane Vindel- Corrupt it to give way to Randolph and die peacefullyPlease don’t vote for the corruption sub-options unless asked to.Actions (Jane Vindel)>Walk there>Teleport outside cave (distance from cave?)>Teleport into cave>Other (what?)
>>38450988>>38451005>>38451006>>38451011Ah my bad, I forgot that part.Shame, it's a stupid overpowered ability.
>>38451011>>38451006Even if we had the XP, I doubt Pally would have let us buy it.That seems like the kind of thing for which the QM veto clause is in that ability.>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Teleport into cave(Subtle and ShadowJump)
>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Teleport into cave(subtle Impossible Shadow jump)
>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Subtle Shadow Jump to cave
>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)See Baalzi, this sort of Favour giving is why we started to like you back then.>SubtleTeleport outside cave (Right outside)
>>38451026>>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Teleport into cave(subtle Impossible Shadow jump)
>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Teleport outside cave (distance from cave?)Her house had anti-teleport wards and fucktons of traps on it. No way this place doesn't too.
>>38451086>Her house had anti-teleport wards and fucktons of traps on it.She might have eschweed those because their presence would give it away.And if she has warded it, then she has definitly warded the outside too.
>>38451026>Dominate itCorrupting another ones mind like this is evil...>Walk there
>>38451124No, the evil part comes when we tell him to die.
>>38451026>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Tell Kae and the two of us go
>>38451026>>Corrupt it (Corruption +1, this pleases Baalzamon)>Teleport outside the cave
>>38451154That is evil too, but warping other sentient beings mind so much to our own end is sick
>>38451181>Tell Kae and the two of us goThat's a point I hadn't considered, I was expecting you to go alone, but you can bring allies with you if you want.Feel free to discuss >Whois coming withThere will be a few other bits before you get there, so no rush on the discussion.
>>38451239Bring Rainyas Lirael and KAe, Dev guards the heart.
Ok, 5 minute vote on what to corrupt it to>Obey you>Hate Jane Vindel>Die peacefullyYou feel the cold darkness of Baalzamon spreading through you, accept Gift?>Y/NDC 25
>>38451239>Us and Kae only.
>>38451268>Obey you>Hate Jane VindelIt's only right>Y
>>38451268>To Love us and RandolfWe'll be a big happy family again!>Us and Kae only>Y
>>38451268>Die peacefully>Y>>38451238It has figuratively raped us and tried to kill our rape-baby forest-son. I have little sympathy for it.
>>38451239>Everyone except DevHe can protect Randolph, and he dies too fast.>>38451268>Hate Jane Vindel>Y
>>38451268>OtherMake peace with Son Randolph and stop listening to and supporting Jane (hate is such a strong word)
>>38451268>Hate Jane Vindel>YWhat would it take to get us to vote no on that?
>>38451268>Hate Jane Vindel>YMaking him die is sort of terrible with Lirael and Randolph watching.
>>38451268>>38451268>Hate Jane Vindel>Y>>38451239>Two Rainyas and Kae.
>>38451239Who?Rainya, Lirael, Kae.We can't leave Rainya, after all she has a backup at the way station that is safe regardless. It would cause more drama that is not worth it.Dev can backup randolph too.>>38451268>Obey you>Y
>>38451268>>38451303Swapping to >Hate Jane VindelAnon reminded me Lirael and Randolph are in the room.>>38451324Failing a DC 25 Willpower check used to be a very high chance.
I hope Baalzi offers us free levels in FoL. I wanna get it to 8.
stop voting, countingAnd roll Willpower 1d20+14
>>38451409Well, he'd only be able to offer us two levels, and I think it was a first level Gift, so we'd get cheated if we vote for that. Just stick around after the thread for XP spending if you want to try and make an argument for it.He'll probably offer a new T3 Gift that's better than 10 XP.
Rolled 10 + 14 (1d20 + 14)>>38451409That would be a colossal waste.We get 3Ranks for high level shaping, and can only get 2 more of FoL.I hope he offers Dexterity, because we need that one badly for Fragmented Soul.>>38451454
Rolled 10 + 14 (1d20 + 14)>>38451454
Rolled 10 + 14 (1d20 + 14)>>38451454>ib4 we fail thisCome on. Just once.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502Wow so close.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502Okay I call haxWho the fuck hacked the board?
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502Oh my fucking god.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502No fucking way.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502HAHAHAHAHAOh wow. Thats just unbelievable.>proof that Baalzmon is the dice gods
Baalzamon pls.>inb4 we get some kind of horrifying vampiric mutation
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502I don't even.I'm tempted to ask if I could burn some of the leftover Manifestation XP for a +1 because fucking seriously. This is making me ~287% mad.
one in 8000 chance
>>38451565No please don't, this is way too perfect.Clearly this is meant to be.There can't be a more obvious sign from the dice gods than this.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502This is either the Mirror's doing, or Baalzamon is fucking with us for a giggle.
>>38451559I bet we get that "your eyes are now horrifying pits of shadows" thing that can happen from chaos magic backlash.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502Give it to us raw this time Pally.This is a thing of beauty.
Well ok, didn't see that coming.
>>38451472>>38451484>>38451502LaughingBaalzamon.jpgBut seriously, can he show up and laugh at us for falling short, that seems like something he would do.I want to see it.
...can we roll corruption to try to browbeat the gift into OBEY? Like, roll corruption against DC whatever and then if that works add a +x to the roll we just did?
>>38451643This fits so perfectly into the moment that it HAS to be Mirror fucking with us IC.
>>38451581It's somewhat infuriating, slightly more than it is humorous, and my near-perpetual hateboner for the dice gods isn't making it less so. I'd agree to almost any amount of XP burn to spite them.Still, I get your point. I hope we get something passable on the mutations table.Worst case scenario we have to buy off a negative effect.>>38451628I don't think there's a sapient on the planet that saw this coming.
>>38451650And what if we fail that too? Let's just take our medicine and hope it's not too bad.
>>38451628I don't think anyone did.I real feel like this deserves a special cutseen. Baalzamon hasn't had much screen time yet and this is the perfect chance
What does Baalzamon actually look like? I've been imagining him as a chinese dragon that's pure black. Is he actually a European-ish dragon? Or is he like the dragons from A:tLA that are snake-like but have wings? Something else?
>>38451749I would personally more blame this on Mirror, givent he entire scene, and how he tries to fuck with us.Either Mirror pissed off Baalzamon with this, or they are working together.
>>38451749He's had plenty of screen time.
Ok Anons, do we spend DP on fbb or not?
>>38451764>I've been imagining him as a chinese dragon that's pure black.Thats it.
>>38451764Maybe like a black axolotl?
>>38451781Trying to turn this into Baalzi working with Mirror seems silly...
>>38451816That's adorable.>>38451781In regards to Shee? No, Baalz isn't that stupid and isn't going to risk alienating a Reunited of our ability by working with that prick.
>>38451818It fits pretty nicely though.And there is no reason baalzamon wouldn't use Mirrors hateboner for us to his own advantage.I don't mean working together in as they want the same thing.
I hope whatever we get is at least something scary. Should make for an interesting scene when we attack Jane. And maybe if it's some kind of shadow based mutation, it'll turn into a void mutation.
>>38451895Inb4 It's something stupid looking useless and a detriment. Rember we fail a roll we can get stuff that is wholly negative, like weakness to sunlight.
>>38451868So, what? Baalzi got Mirror to sabotage Shee's willpower gift shaping so that he could ensure she got the gift he wanted her to have, and possibly also to put Mirror in an even more precarious position with the rules?
>>38451818I can see them working together on the grounds that B man wants to see what happens and we're not the be all and end all of life for the five but I don't think he would go out of his way to betray us.
Or Shee just got really unlucky here. It's not like this is rare enough that it can /only/ be the result of gods dicking us.
>>38451932Or would could just suck it up and not try to blame it on Baalz or mirror either of or in game
>>38451932For example. Although normally Baalzi can't influence the unshaped gift, the gods only get to choose which three to offer if we shape them.But any gift we get is in his nature, so it works out for him either way.
>>38451958>It's not like this is rare enough that it can /only/ be the result of gods dicking us.1/8000, anon. 1/8000.
>>38451960I think you misunderstand the point anon.Really, this whole thing is too perfect to not be with some kind of special IC event.Obviously we know it was the work of evben more terrible gods than the Five, but that doesn't mean it has to be flavored as that in the story.
You stain the mind of the old forest, twisting it until it sees the truth you have created: that Jane Vindel didn’t create it, she tricked, and is only using it. You see resentment and doubt build, until the old forest is as much an enemy of her as you are.You retreat from the old forests mind, Baalzamons power running wild within you, no matter what you don’t want it affecting Lirael or Randolph so you end the gestalt.With the gestalt ended you thank Lirael and Randolph for their help and you head out to find Kaelyn and Rainya. Kaelyn will be invaluable against whatever chaos magic Jane has, and you *need* to have at least one of the Rainyas with you, or else Jane will see you coming.Before you’ve taken a half dozen steps you feel everything around you grow dark, and the sibilant whisper of Baalzamon in your ear “it seems we need to talk, you and I....” ---And that’s it for today, thanks for playing. For your actions today you gain 7XP.Next thread in 11 hours. It will start with Baalzamon scene, and then go to the attack Jane Vindel scene.
>>38451991Failing the roll itself is 1/8. Yeah the triple 10s is way more rare, but oh well.
>>38452026>“it seems we need to talk, you and I....”I swear to god if he tries to worm Lirael away from us using this...
>>38452026OOHHH YEAH.I'm hyped to see what we rolled.Can you spoiler us, please?
Awesome. Now he's going to fuck with our plans for Lirael.
>>38452070If he tries to pull shit like that then the Six will be the Four.
>>38452075>>38452070I guess this just means that the "narratively appropriate" moment is about to hit sooner and we Void her asap.
>>38452026dat cliffhanger, arrghThanks for running Pally
>>38452075He can't really do that, and I doubt "fucking up our plans with Lirael" is on Pallys list for random mutations.
>>38452148>I doubt "fucking up our plans with Lirael" is on Pallys list for random mutations.Almost certainly wasn't, but then people started clamoring to make the 10 10 10 mean something more.
>>38452075I'd be pretty hyped for that.Goddamn, this sounds awesome.
>>38452177>but then people started clamoring to make the 10 10 10 mean something moreNot really. People asked to tie it into a story event at best, more people aske dfor Pally to use his list this time.And those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
>>38452148It's possible that we succeeded and Baalz sent the gifts he'd want us to manifest but then Mirror.I'd rather it be about that then him doing yet another thing to alienate me. I want to like him.>>38452191Go and stay go.
>>38452026Thanks for running, can't wait for the next thread.
>>38452026>TFW we now are master of the only forests on Apollyon
>>38452191It would be a nice punishment for the people that seem to think of Baalzamon as mostly harmless.
>>38452294I think it's be more amusing if Baalzamon broke the 4th wall and read the threads
>>38452221>I want to like him.Me too, but I don't like the "Mirror fucked the gift up", I do want to get hit by that random Mutation, we fail these rolls already so rarely and it will become more and more rare as the story continues.We only had one real random gift, assuming that was the case with Titanic Shape.>>38452294No one does. Being managable doesn't mean being harmless.He isn't actively malicious to us, thats the difference.
>>38452294>Punish the majority because a few retards think Baalzamon is harmless
By the way, Pally says his connection is dying. He also says he will update the pastebins before the next thread.
>>38452323>punishmentI see no punishment so far. Only cliffhangers and hype.
>>38452368>Didn't read the post chain
So on a scale from 1- 10 how bad are we expecting this to be?
>>38452550The meeting itself is probably gonna be a 4 or 5, the timing pumps it up to 7 or 8
>>38452572yeah, so More demands about Lirael? Or demanding we give Kae to him otherwise we get a really shitty curse?
Anybody wanna sperg about future vampire powers?I really like Blood Talons. Being able to leech hp into Vitae on hit is pretty cool and it lets us apply our Blood Control powers from Ichor whenever we hit with it. Should be pretty cool.
>>384525507-8. Probably an 8.
>>38452550The way he invited Shee to talk makes this a solid 9.
>>38452607Neither of those are even remotly likely.Baali can't, and most likely wouldn't even want to back out on our deal.
>>38452607He's probably pissy that we rules lawyered about the shadow learning thing and he wants her to learn more shadow stuff RIGHT NOW.
>>38452550If it's because he found it funny, 2.If it's about Mirror, 6-7.If it's about Lirael, 10^100, burn all bridges.
>>38452640It not backing out of the deal as so much as we had horrible luck and we rather get a horrible gift(which will really hurt us in the fight) Or for a small small fee he can make it go away or even make it good.>>38452649Probably, if not worse.
>>384525501To be honest. I really hope this is just accompanying the actual random gift we get, and not instead of it, because this scene isn't going to be such a huge deal.I expect if anything he is going to offer us a specific gift in exchange for a task, or we eat the random mutation.
>>38452678>Or for a small small fee he can make it go away or even make it good.Thats what I'm expecting too, the small fee probably will be in relation to our previous deal, but he's smart enough to not have it be something silly like "teach her more Shadow powers", because he probably already realises that doesn't work out.
>>38452678>It not backing out of the deal as so much as we had horrible luck and we rather get a horrible gift(which will really hurt us in the fight) Or for a small small fee he can make it go away or even make it good.Yeah, it's probably this."Hey, Shee. So you fucked up on that gift shaping. Rough luck, that. Your skin is about to turn into solid shadows, which wouldn't be all that bad, but it'll go away in light. So, y'know, you'll bleed like crazy whenever it's not dark. I cooooouuuuuuuld make that not happen. I could give you a nice gift. Something great. Maybe make the shadows go more than skin deep so you're intangible? Or how about making them not affected by light? Or something else if you really want. I just need one small favor..."
>>38452723Hopefully he's also smart enough to realize that giving Shee an ultimatum she doesn't like also won't work."Agree to teach her more shadows whenever possible" would just result in us flipping him off and taking the bad gift.
>>384525501. Given that Pally is planning to roll right through the Baalz conversation, I doubt it'll be anything major. If he tries to cut a deal, the answer will probably be a resounding *NO* especially if that deal involves Lirael.
>>38452764I don't even know why you think he would do that, that sort of direct blackmail isn't his style at all.Baalzi doesn't brute force things like that, he's going to offer us something slightly dubious that doesn't sound too bad.Blackmail isn't baalzamons domain, nor has he any interest in making Shee dislike him. At least for now.
>>38452764Hopefully he's not that smart. Do you want him to really nail us to the wall or something?
I hope he just asks us to murder Oubliettes.
>>38452807That's what I thought, until it happened the first time.
>>38452820I want him to keep trying, because its fun to play cat and mouse with him like that.I immensly enjoy the dynamic we currently have IC with Baalzamon.
>>38452850I'd enjoy it if he wasn't trying to involve Lirael.
>>38452807Doubtful, he's sneaky. And anons already love him. (can't imagine why)>>38452820>>38452850The way he sounded make it seems like the dynamic is going to shift, not for our good.
>>38452879We involve Lirael by having her help us in these things. And its not like what he offered was going to harm her from his perspective.
>>38452883>And anons already love him. (can't imagine why)He is a fun character and interactions with him have always been interesting. Much better than Jagganatha's HIT STUFF HARD, for example.
>>38452883>And anons already love him.Two guys spend their entire day fellating him, the rest of us like his gifts or are indifferent. I doubt many of us think taking his deals is ever a good thing, regardless of how reasonable they could sound.>>38452909We can usually protect her from most threats, but not from his influence which will hopefully never happen. I don't really care why he does something or how much sense it makes to him, that's not a valid reason to forgive him to me.
>>38452951I do love him, but I think he's a conniving prick who will fuck us over if it benefits his schemes. I'm not going to go all FULL BAALZI AHEAD, that's retarded, but I detest the people who constantly yell about how they want to burn all bridges with the guy and "the Six will become the Four" and that trash.
>>38452940The only reason he's fun is because he's trying to bait us in until we're too deep. It seems to be working splendidly.>>38452951>I doubt many of us think taking his deals is ever a good thing, regardless of how reasonable they could sound.I pray the rejoicefags ignore the next thread then.>>38452909Thing is he'll turn her into a puppet, her willpowers isn't great and his is diety grade.>>38452985yeah the six becoming four is retarded. At worst we're going to start throwing monkey wrenches into other deity's plans if we ascend.
>>38452951>that's not a valid reason to forgive himExcept he hasn't done anything that would need forgiving.Sofar all he has ever done was help Shee and speak out in her favor.Of course, if we make the mistake of trusting him, he would totally fuck us over.He's a dick, make no mistake. But one we can have a working relationship with because he wants us to like him, and we have a lot to gain from working with him.> but not from his influenceWe actually can, there is no reason to assume we can't.
>>38453013>Thing is he'll turn her into a puppetThat is purely your own paranoia fueled speculation, it 'might' happen, but just as likely it won't. He isn't King or Ichor.He would influence her to be the sort of person he wants her to be, thats not something that can't ever be worked against.
>>38452985>constantly yell about how they want to burn all bridges with the guyThat was only after accepting that terrible deal when I was extremely mad.>and "the Six will become the Four"I say that because it's fun, though if he winds up influencing Lirael at any point, it will be a substantially more serious statement.>>38453021>We actually can, there is no reason to assume we can't.The entire thing about his influence is that nobody knows it's happening, including the person being influenced. That's what his powers do and why I don't like the idea of letting him speak to Lirael, ever. The only way we can protect her in that regard is by making it so the influence doesn't happen via Void powers, which are awesome in their own right.>>38453066His influence involves invisibly rewriting minds and personalities, anon.
>>38453013No, I think he's personality is amusing and his dialogue is always fun. Not just in his interaction with Shee, I mena in general.Doesn't help that I keep reading his lines with an awesome voice. Wish I knew whose voice I read them with.
>>38453013>Thing is he'll turn her into a puppetNot more likely than Ichor will turn Rainya into her puppet now.Which is to say, he would definitly 'try' influencing her, but it would hardly be straight up mindrape, because thats not his domain.You will notice he hasn't shown a single mindrape gift sofar.
>>38453086>The entire thing about his influence is that nobody knows it's happening, including the person being influenced.Except we would totally know its happening and be watching out for it.And I really dearly hope you are not so naive to think that the Void thing will be the ultimate and final counter to him in this matter.It will only work because it wasn't actually about Lirael to begin with.
>>38453102>You will notice he hasn't shown a single mindrape gift sofar.Except that one that let us make undetectable Fellowship checks and have the target believe that what we wanted them to think was their own inner thoughts/desires, you mean.>Not more likely than Ichor will turn Rainya into her puppet now.A great deal more likely, actually, since Baalzamon outright said he'd be manipulating her and Ichor said she wouldn't. Ichor also hates Baalzamon's type of half-truths and loopholes, so I believe she was being upfront about it.
>>38453102Why would she? What would be her motivation? Shee's probably one of her favorites. Why would she want to mess with her more than the god fucking with people?
>>38453102We got most of his gifts from it though. Only reason we don't see them is cause we hate using them.>>38453066He'd be whispering too her 24/7 and she has an 8 will and low (comparartively) int. Also Ichor likes us a lot, Baalzie only has a stake in her really.
>>38453156>since Baalzamon outright said he'd be manipulating herNo, he said he would be telling her his secrets.Of course he will 'manipulate' her, but thats not the same thing as putting mindrape on her.And if you think Ichor isn't planning to use her connection with Rainya to her advantage, then really anon, I don't know what to say.You do remember she is more about emotional mnaipulation than Baalzi is?
>>38453102Yes. Risk alienating a Reunited that currently favors you highly by making her loved one a puppet. Excellent work, god of family.
>>38453205>And if you think Ichor isn't planning to use her connection with Rainya to her advantageName an advantage she could gain by doing it.Because I can think of a hell of a lot of ways it'd bite her in the ass to try, but very little for her to gain from it.>Of course he will 'manipulate' her, but thats not the same thing as putting mindrape on her.It is with Baalzamon, since talking can be mind rape with him.
>>38453215I don't know what to say here.You do realise there is more to manipulation than straight up making someone "your puppet"?Of course Ichor is going to use her connection to Rainya to drive us closer to her.You think she can't ever find a way to do that with plausible deniability? Why do you think she specifically said "what she does on her own though...".She is still a old god, you'd be absurdly naive to trust her. She is just untrustworthy ina d ifferent way from Baalzamon.
>>38453215>Motherknowsbest.aviFamily is not always a field of flowers, anon. A mother can be as kind as possessive and controlling.
>>38453266>>38453269Thing is we favor Ichor already, She knows this. What would she gain really when she know tweaking us off only gets us pissed at her? If we had lower favor with her I could see it. Baal on the other hand might just be willing to cut his losses on single reunited(who is still unlikely to win) take his shadow loli and go home.
I hope Baalzamon ends up only wanting a promise we won't block Lirael from learning his gifts out of hand. That would be nice.
>>38453251>Name an advantage she could gain by doing it.Rainya worshipping her is a good way to make sure we don't turn against Ichors teachings, for example.Did you consider what might happen if Rainya starts to really worship the Deep Mother? Rainya is a very pretty chain that Ichor now has to bind us more to her.She is fucking Kimbery, the goddess of yanderes.
>>38453318>take his shadow loli and go homeYou think Lirael is honestly the only vampire in the whole galaxy Baalzamon could get his fingers on?Does this not strike you as a bit implausible?
>>38453266Maybe she will, maybe she won't. My money is on won't because 'plausible deniability' doesn't fucking matter, what matters is whether or not she winds up angering Shee and she has little to gain and much to lose by manipulating Rainya.>>38453335And Rainya is able to enforce us following Ichor's teachings in a way that we won't notice and wouldn't be infuriated over. Right.>>38453325Would reject outright.
>>38453318>Thing is we favor Ichor already, She knows this.We still aren't her Avatar, and we have denied her several times in the past. There are some key issues we strongly disagree with her on.Us favouring her, doesn't mean all that much, we don't favour her that much mor ethan the King, for example.
>>38453335Yep, mums got a way to bring us home with a soft hand if she needs it and she did us a favour by getting it.Well played mum.
>>38453363No. But she was one of the only ones in a position to get taught who had no loyalties to the Oubliettes. Additionally she's graced, meaning she is fuck awfully strong and as she gets older it will get more pronounced.>>38453335Why would she though, we follow her the most and have her aspect. She knows how badly we'd take it if she tried. >>38453406True but we side with her when it comes to family/command issues. Additionally we're slowly going harem just like she wants. She can wear us down in time. Using Rainya for a quick yank would cost far too much if she failed. Additionally Rianya is more loyal to us than her. Baalzie wouldn't countenance that.
It's just laughable to be that anyone thinks Ichor is trying to be more manipulative than the god of betrayal who's about to actually manipulate us. Again.
>>38453406>There are some key issues we strongly disagree with her on.A few, but probably not as many as you think, and likely a great deal fewer than the majority of Reunited.
>>38453388Keep saying that. Just you wait for when Rainya puts her clones to use and begins taking extra lovers.
>>38453388>that we won't notice and wouldn't be infuriated overWho says that? Does it matter? Would we stop being generous to and protective of our family?I think you overestimate the importance of the Favour thing, we don't choose those options because we want Ichor to like us.We do because its in Shees nature, as long as Shee keeps doing things that please her, it doesn't matter if Shee WANTS to please Ichor.Shee isn't her Avatar, she is not the horse Ichor is betting on right now.But Rainya is a option for her, and you can bet Ichor has planted that option because it ties SHee more to her.
>>38453490Then we'd break up with her and blame Ichor. I reiterate, her manipulating Rainya would be a fucking stupid move.
>>38453473>. Additionally we're slowly going harem just like she wants.No. Fuck off. We are not, and never will, no matter how much you like to pretend it.Its just not gonna happen, accept it and stop that stupid "Harem any thread now guys,definitly"!
>>38453473>Additionally we're slowly going harem just like she wants.No, we're not, and she doesn't actually want that anymore.
>>38453553She still wants it, she just hasn't brought it up the last couple times.
>>38453553Her last favor was either return the oceans and kill millions, or take 3 lovers anon.
>>38453527>I reiterate, her manipulating Rainya would be a fucking stupid move.She was about to offer us the choice between drowning milions or cheating on Rainya last time, I think you might slightly overestimate how much Ichor wants Shee to absolutely like her.
>>38453594Even if Ichor does, both Shee and Rainya have made it pretty clear that they don't and Ichor wouldn't gain much by pissing off on of the more powerful players in the game.
>>38453624Cheating is a strong word, anon.
>>38453527No, I think you are just making a mistake if you think all forms of manipulation are so crude we would start absolutely hating her for it. Or even find out.The far better sort of manipulation is the one where we behave how she wants and thank her for it, and Rainya is a way for that.It isn't always about the big things, Ichor is mainly interested in Shee being closer to her nature, like for example getting a bigger family.Remember how Rainya felt about getting children?
>>38453624Thing is Ichor let us add in Rainya's loyalty to us. It's higher than hers to Ichor. We're one of Ichor's favored anyways. If her avatar ever bites it we'll likely get asked to replace.
>>38453661You're underestimating how highly the Five view having the future Sixth agree with them and overestimating Shee's current value. The value of the potential Sixth matching up with them is valued far higher than the chances of their success, as evidenced by them still doing Avatars .
>>38453624It's not cheating if we get Rainya to agree to it. It didn't have to be cheating, that would have just made it easier in the short-term and harder in the long-term.
>>38453664No, it would definitly have been cheating, we might have been able to get Rainya small smile through it while we cheat on her, because she has self-esteem issues but it wouldn't be any less cheating.>>38453730>Thing is Ichor let us add in Rainya's loyalty to us.Of course she did, for the same reason Baalzamon deal had all these huge and obvious loopholes because we wouldn't have taken the deal otherwise.And yes, we probably would. Would we agree on our own though? Highly unlikely.With a bit of motivation though, who knows.
>>38453616I'm pretty sure that was a joke option.>>38453624She doesn't want Shee to be her best friend, just ensure she's an ally if we win.>>38453664But extremely accurate.>>38453701>Remember how Rainya felt about getting children?I don't, actually. I think she wanted kids eventually, but I'm not sure.>>38453780Yeah, that's not really going to happen.
>>38453755Shee already matches her pretty damn well. There's just no reason for her to try being sneaky and manipulative when they already get along so well.
>>38453794>I'm pretty sure that was a joke option.It wasn't.
>>38453794>I don't, actually.Not that anon, and I'm kinda fuzzy too, but her reaction to "I made a deal with Ichor involving you" was more or less "Oh, I guess I need to get knocked up with freaky monster babies? Let's do it."
>>38453794>I'm pretty sure that was a joke option.it wasn't, favors are srsbsns
>>38453794>She doesn't want Shee to be her best friend, just ensure she's an ally if we win.Thats pretty much my pont, so if we still agree with her ona lot of things, and like her more than the other gods, thats still a win even if we might have a disagreement here and there.>>38453832No guarantee it stays that way. We used to favour the King higher than her for a while.We used to not favour Baalzamon at all until he surged in popularity with us.Ichor might want a little insurance.
>>38453854It wasn't. Ichor offered two tasks to Shee to pick between. If anything, the drowning part was the less serious offer.
>>38453854AA you know how many aspects we can have?
I'm just gonna wait and see what Baalzi wants. 99% chance it's horrible, but I'm not going to make up my mind 100% to turn him down and crank up hostilities before we even know what he wants.
>>38453855> “Oh, yes, well, I’m a bit young to be a mother but I suppose I can learn, and kids are ok I guess.”She was definitly not very enthusiastic about it, which is pretty understandable, since she is 15 and all.
>>3845390115 isn't that young by duster standards. She's practically middle aged, or at least she was before she stopped living in that hell-hole.
>>38453888Nah, you could've circumvented the killing part of the oceans easily.I talked to OP about this, he directly called the lovers option him joking around.>>38453893I was originally planning on a cap of 7 when talking about Aspects with OP, but that might've been lowered, it could just be 3 now.If it's still above three, you need another point of Mirror favor and to level your existent aspects before the next choice becomes available.
>>38453917>15 isn't that young by duster standards.We don't really know how old that is by Duster standards, considering she saw Lirael as child with 11, I don't think its that different.Just because Dusters die early, doesn't mean they consider pregnancy earlier.
>>38453917She herself said she is a bit too young to be a mother, so obviously it doesn't work like that.
>>38453960Alright then Mirror favor grind is needed as in grinding family
>>38453960>Nah, you could've circumvented the killing part of the oceans easily.Could we have let the people die and then blamed the Fae to go full-scumbag and make Six proud?
>>38453960>you need another point of Mirror favorIf I remember it right, Pally had tied it to number of gifts, not to the favor.Which in case of Mirror does make a big difference to us.
>>38453960>you need another point of Mirror favorMirror a shit. I guess we'll just have to keep slaughtering his Avatars until he stops being a shit.
>>38454111I'm okay with Mirror as long as he stops being a whiny bitch about this whole thing.If he wouldn't have thrown his hissy fit, we would be loving him by now for all his cool gifts.Even if his favour would still be rare as hen's teeth.
>>38454169I can't even remember the 4 things we did that got us favor with him.
>>38454196I think 3 of them or so were write-ins. I remember one was exchanging the news about he visiting vampire against Yonsuls secret.I remember we went practically mad in the early quest because it seemed impossible to get Mirror favour.
>>38453917Probably closer to 18 before most of them would consider reproducing. Rainya just really loves you and figured that having your kids would be okay as far as Five favors go.>>38454065I think that getting Mirror's favor would still increase it to 6 for the purposes of this even if he refuses to actually give you a gift, it might be tied to Gifts instead though. Just murder avatars and it'll probably work itself out.>>38454058If you managed to find a way to spin it like that and fool the populace, yeah.>>38454169>Even if his favour would still be rare as hen's teeth.Would hen dentures count for that? Hentures?
>>38454239It seems like the way we often save xp and spend it on things we need in the current situation would be mirror favor what with his change and adaption shtick.
>>38454196One was exchanging secrets with Yonsul, one was jewing Charun about the weapon sales and one was about not commiting to hate anyone in the conversation with Dev and Rainya.I'm fairly sure most of his favour was from our own write-ins because we barely ever got any offered.>>38454296Its kinda ironic how we areally are his greatest disciple.>>38454260>even if he refuses to actually give you a giftDo you know whats up with getting Mirror favour?I remember back then we were told we would still get Favour choices for him, only that insterad of his gifts we would get one of the others. But we haven't seen a single Mirror Favour choice since then, and its been, I think over 20 threads by now.
>>38454296If only, although shifting our attacks style halfway through a fight might do it.>>38454350Wish I knew.
>>38454260>Just murder avatars and it'll probably work itself out.If Family hadn't been an option, Slaughter or Inevitability woulda been really appropriate...
>>38454350Maybe Pally forgot
How do people feel about the Hope aspect?
>>38454431Considering how absurdly rare Mirror favour was before then I wouldn't even be surprised if it just happened to never appear again, I just don't know and I would like clarity on it.>>38454458Meh.
>>38454473>>38454476Meh mind. Worse thing is that I don't know which one is mine.
>>38454350>Do you know whats up with getting Mirror favour?Nobody knows the riddle of mirrors.I can think of one event happening in the semi-near future which will earn you a mirror favor.It's just really hard to actually figure out what represents his aspects and tell when something should earn his favor, especially since a lot of the things he likes are done through the XP interface, which could be gamed so hard if it was allowed.>>38454405Inevitability is probably going to come up again after the nonsense you've been doing recently. I find myself wondering what Aspect would best represent the Surprise Roomba.
>>38454473>>38454476>>38454492Meh Mind.Out of the aspects we've seen which one would fit Shee best?
>>38454497The first one. You have a 4sec quicker draw on indifference.
>>38454458A pretty word for an unremarkeable aspect. There are better ones to take.>>38454510Inevitability. It's pretty much what we are doing right now.
>>38454510I think Impossibility is pretty fitting. I don't like the downside much, but what it's about fits Shee really well.If you stand against her, she will fuck you up.
>>38454458More eloquent answer, I don't find it fits Shee 'that' well nor do I want to develop her character into a direction where it would fit her better.I'm sure there will be more interesting Aspects if we get more, and I'm not that eager to get more.
>>38454537>>38454510>ImpossibilityInevitability*That said, I'd rather see if we can take the new crystal seed thing from a new potential aspect and cram it into one of our existing ones.
>>38454509>I find myself wondering what Aspect would best represent the Surprise Roomba.Cunning? Slaughter? Innovation?
>>38454510If Shee were more influenced by the vocal discussion, it would be Emotion.Joking aside, I really don't know. Inevitability would definitly be a good fit with all the bullshit we are doing right now.
>>38454458What >>38454541 said hits the nail more or less on the head for me. Hope just doesn't really see appropriate. Didn't Shee have higher Cynicism before that system got replaced, anyway?
>>38454587by one or two.
>>38454600Ok, it wasn't extremely pronounced, but you'd think that someone with a Hope aspect would be further away from the middle.
>>38454587She did. It was 7 or 6 Cynism against 4 Hope.
>>38454613I interpreted it as she got far more hopeful after she got impossibility which let her say fuck you to those who'd fuck humanity over.Still we'll see when Pally gives us another choice, if we get one.
>>38454613I remember by the time we replaced it the difference was fairly large, which was noteworthy because Shee had been fairly balanced in that regard for most of the time before then.
>>38454562That's double-impossible.>>38454587A few points, but Hope is something of a misnomer, the aspect being more about *giving* Hope than necessarily being full of hope yourself. And you do give a substantial number of people Hope.The system became somewhat outdated when your brain stopped working quite the same way as a mortal's.
>>38454638The Aspects only have to fit to some extent, and I find Hope fits her about as well as Slaughter did.
>>38454638Hope/Cynicism was more about how she sees the rest of the world. Impossibility really hasn't changed that. She doesn't see the world as a necessarily good place, but now she feels that she can force it to be one.
>>38454688Fair enough.>>38454699More or less becoming hope.as AA said here>>38454674
>>38454585>>38454529>>38454537What has she really done that fits Inevitability besides this thing with Jane? The attack on the shadow vamps at the shuttle port?
>>38454739Well, any time when she faced downa lot of enemies and powered through isntead of backing down or fleeing.The encounter with Jane, the shadow vamp, the fight in the park, the first Mirror Avatar killing would come to mind first.Probably some other times too I can't remember. She has retreated just as often I think.
>>38454783And most of the times when she fled it was to ensure the safety of allies rather than for herself. Makes sense what with how the Family aspect came before Inevitability(if we end up getting it)
>>38454824Didn't family come up all three aspect votes?
>>38454843It did. Unsurprisingly.
>>38454843I can't remember, I was just saying that Family became a actualized aspect before Inevitability if we do end up picking it as our fourth.
>>38454880Families bonuses don't work against Inevitabilities malus though, so that would be problematic.I don't think you can see it as Aspect A cancels out Aspect B, if anything it would need to be a clause to the Aspect itself, like how Corruption works.I'm personally not interested in any of the Aspects we've seen and haven't taken.
How about "Retribution" as an aspect?
>>38455005Eh, don't see it.
>>38454957Hope has been the only aspect I've seen without a malus.>>38455005Fits but still like most of the other ones we've skipped, doesn't entirely fit.
>>38455044>>38455046I don't think it's about making something a perfect fit. They're aspects, not whole descriptors of Shee's being.
>>38455046>Hope has been the only aspect I've seen without a malus.It technically as one>However you need to pass a Will check to abandon an ally, even in the face of certain death.But, well.
>>38455078No, I don't think it even fits enough to become a Aspect to begin with.Its niche even compared to stuff like Slaughter or Giving.
>>38455084It overlaps with family to the point it kinda doesn't matter. Family's malus is even worse.>>38455078Still some fit better than others(family and control)
>>38455084Woulda been funny to have that during the Ash thing so we coulda watched the people who wanted him to die to freak out about having to do a willpower roll.
>>38455131It depends on what "abandon" means here. I'm fairly sure no one voted for teleporting away without him anyway.
>>38455153Yeah Don't get why everyone hated him to the point of letting him get tortured.
>>38455247He was a guy and he did a couple stupid things.
>>38455247That had actually noting to do with hate, I actually doubted he was there until Pally said he was.
>>38455247Most of the hate or him was from the way he came into being to begin with.Which wasn't really helped by the fact that he did some things that didn't endear him to people, wasn't a very interesting character nor very strongly tied into any part of the main plot.So there was a whole bunch of people who were at best indifferent to him, some outright hated him, and some of the people who liked him were such obnoxious faggots that they actually made others dislike him by association.The whole thing was rather unfortunate.
>>38455368In short, he suffered from a severe case of "Bokin Syndrome"
Still hating him to the point Pally had to basically say you don't save him you're going to lose shit is rather extreme. Then there's the fact we had 3-5 people bitching about it afterwards, and saying good riddance.
>>38455411There are definitly similarities, yes. Although it was definitly not nearly as bad with Bokin.
>>38455450>Still hating him to the point Pally had to basically say you don't save him you're going to lose shit is rather extreme.As I said, that was mostly because people didn't believe he was actually in there.Because it was a very real posibility he wasn't.
>>38455478and the "why would we lsoe ichor favor over him" and "what does ichor see in him?" Then the whole "let the fucker die" and "good riddance"?
>>38455501>"why would we lsoe ichor favor over him"I looked it up again, and no one said that.The "what does ichor see in him?", was pretty clearly a joke, because there is no reason to assume Ichor sees anything in him.And most of the "let him die" was to not triviliaze death, not so much because of hate for the character.I think people have a tendency to overstate how much of that there actually was by inflating a few comments.
>>38455501Not gonna lie, I'm glad he's gone.Not because of the character, but because of the asinine shitposting he inspired by fans and haters.And I freely admit I never forgave Ashleyfags for that write-in, even if I'm reasonable enough to undersand it was a minority thing even among them and nothing ever came of it.
Eh, I still wish we had managed to save the 3 potential party members, just so we had more abilities to work with.We have 3 potentials dead. 3 Party members sitll alive, one we can get later, Yonsol who is still alive.One of the dead was bad luck. Another was just the players could not give a fuck about him and hated him.Ash was just a case of bad luck. We would have had to fight our way in when we found out.>>38455619Which write in?
>>38455619What write in was that again? the Lirael feeder one?>>38455650>One of the dead was bad luck. Rhydian? agreed but it was him or Lirael, easy call.>Another was just the players could not give a fuck about him and hated him.Quinn? Yeah we should have gotten him out of there and into sanctuary like we did Kae.>Ash was just a case of bad luck. We would have had to fight our way in when we found out.We held off too long checking on him, and instead off knee jerk teleporting(which might have saved him, might) We took too long.
>>38455650>Which write in?I think he means the one from when Lirael asked for the first time if Shee would only be her Feeder and someone wrote a write in of "I have other friends I might want to let feed on me".
>>38455650>>38455718>"I have other friends I might want to let feed on me".Yeah thats the one. Having Shee say " I want to be a blood whore" to Lirael, was fucking awful. Especially the "friends" part, because it was some retarded harem fag.
>>38455707>We held off too long checking on him, and instead off knee jerk teleporting(which might have saved him, might) We took too long.I submitted a question to Pally through ask.fm.From the time he messaged Shee, he was rewritten.The only ways Shee could have saved Ash after Quinns death was to come clean on what is happening and then go ahead and put him under protection. The dagger was set up just in case we teleported him to us.Other then that, if we fought in, cleared everything, subdued a few shadow vampires, chased off jane and jade and then got to Ash we could have noticed something was up and maybe saved him then.
>>38455650>Eh, I still wish we had managed to save the 3 potential party members, just so we had more abilities to work with.Not really, 2 out of three of those were vampires, which we already have with Lirael.And enither of them had powersets that we needed covering.Rydian was a loss, and I'm still sad we didn't make involving him with us a greater priority and prevent his death, even if of course we would have always chosen Lirael first.But I think our group is already pretty versatile in their ability spread, and there are still other in the future we might recruit too.
>>38455802In theory we could have chosen to teleport him without any clothes or items.And I remember at least one anon actually had suggested doing so back then.
>>38455802Still having him in a safeish place when it detonated so we could maybe cpr him or Rev him faster(which would have been easier) Might have saved him.as could>>38455857Point was we were fucking lax with the vampires and with Kae's family. Both cost us dearly.
>>38455857A few voted for it, but it got lost. I think I voted for it, but at work, on a 4" phone screen it is hard to type and keep up and work at the same time.>>38455827They would have been vampires with access to areas that Lirael does not have probably. Without blood fruits it would be a real pain to manage however.Have some other bodies to help cover stuff in like this cluster fuck with Jane would help.Would be better, in this case if we could have left say Dev and Quinn for example back and bring Ash and Dydian on this cluster fuck with JaneIt happens, especially with how TG is with quests.>>38455903As soon as it blew up, and in a way that Ash ate most of the explosion he was fucked. Emergency hospital treatment may of saved him. We could not even psychic heal him.Maybe if we had nanobot healing injections or something. Tech that might as well be magic.
Everyone seems to agree that Shee really fits as a Mirror follower even if they hate eachother.What if for her next Aspect, she got Change or Adaptation or something?
>>38455953>As soon as it blew up, and in a way that Ash ate most of the explosion he was fucked. Emergency hospital treatment may of saved him. We could not even psychic heal him.Maybe if we had nanobot healing injectionsWell yeah but if we didn't dick around fighting mercs and instant ported him, we could have lowered the rev dc and saved him. Pally confirmed the faster we did it the better.I do agree we need more characters to fight, also to make Dev less squishy. (maybe he can into magic? We could ask Kae)>>38455977maybe.
>>38455953>Would be better, in this case if we could have left say Dev and Quinn for example back and bring Ash and Dydian on this cluster fuck with JaneIt depends on how their power-sets would have looked like at this point.Rydian would have been most likely acombat beast with his Mutations, but Quinn and Ashley would I'm not so sure.And there wasn't really much of a reason to leave anyone behind besides the one Rainya.Considering how little use we make of Dev, I don't think significantly more companions would be a good thing.Experience wth PoJ where we also had a lot of companions but only ever brought 3-4 of those to anything, because everyone else was to squishy, kinda reinforces that.
>>38456025>maybeShe literally grew a forest that hyperevolved and took over like some kind of magic plant cancer, creating new bullshit to fight back against everything that hurt it. It should definitely at least be an option.
>>38455977>What if for her next Aspect, she got Change or Adaptation or something?Noooo.I doubt they'll even show up.Mirror's a trash god anyway.>>38456025I don't think that saving the thirty seconds we fought the mercenaries for would've made a massive difference in the revival DC given that we took, what, thirty minutes to remove that antinite?>>38456076That's all Corruption and Impossibility, not adaptation.
>>38456025>I do agree we need more characters to fight, also to make Dev less squishy. (maybe he can into magic? We could ask Kae)We can load him up with 60 more hp as soon as we do 1 Psychic infection.infection : adaptionbody control (5)Enhance Ability (5)Enhance Senses (5)Life Drain (5)Life Extension (5)Psychic Healing (5)30xp.10 skill in adaption for 10xp40xp totalGives the +10 stats, +60hp.We can then have like 40xp to spend elsewhere.
>>38456035Thankfully we can make members less squishy already. Also Dev kicked ass until mirror bitch spelled him.>>38456151Good idea, we'd need to max his will out too though, tog et the most out of all of those abilities.
>>38456133>That's all Corruption and Impossibility, not adaptation.You're obviously missing the point here. Or you just plain don't like it so you're grasping at anything to try to support your dislike instead of finding actual reasons that it's unfeasible.
>>38456035>Considering how little use we make of Dev, I don't think significantly more companions would be a good thing.I think the problem isn't number of companions, its that Shee is 'too' versatile.She can do too many things at the same time, and everyone else is just additional bodies, not really unique skills.Kaelyn is the only one who can do something we can't do at all.I can't help but feel our companions would be better of if Shee would have only access to the gifts or psychic abilities.Even now, we can only give them abilities we already have access to.I would have liked for some of our companions to follow other gods, like Jagganatha so they can take gifts we wouldn't tkae, but that are still good.Rainya following Jaggantha would be fnatastic with all the transformations.Or stuff like the Hesan, if Shee couldn't be both combat monster and excellent talker, we would actually have need for a socially skilled companion who could benefit from that.
>>38456215Dev seems like he'd be the ideal jaggie follower in both body(dude is huge) and mind(tech powers ahoy!) Of course King would feel left out as the other gods all have ties on us with Rainya, Lirael and all.
>>38456186>You're obviously missing the point here.Because you don't really seem to have a point there. Adaptation would adapting to our surroundings and situation rather than just overwriting our environment. Change is literally Corruption, to the point that we considered changing Corruption's name to Change before.>>38456151>Gives the +10 statsIt doesn't do that, though? Enhance Ability's stat gains are based off Willpower modifier, so he wouldn't be able to exceed a +4 from that, and I'm not sure where else he'd be getting stats in Psychometabolism.
>>38456185Master gives +10. The 10 in adaption is for 30 extra hp for 10xp.Master gives him the +8 for perception. He has +10 str/agi/con due to master.We can push will up to 14, for a +2, which maxes out enhance abilities passive, and gives +6more hp for a cost of 6xp.>>38456215Shee is too potent really. Rainya is now potent too. Energy bows doing 4d10 damage is very nice, for 5 of her.Kae would be the easiest to have as a social, her fellowship and skills are already cranked.
>>38456268>Master gives him the +8 for perception. He has +10 str/agi/con due to master.>We can push will up to 14, for a +2, which maxes out enhance abilities passive, and gives +6more hp for a cost of 6xp.That's not how either of those abilities work.
>>38456257Dev would be a great fit for Jaggi, I don't see Shee bringing it up though, so I doubt it will be a thing unless Pally has Dev bring it up to us.King got the whole resturant tie to us.I wonder if we could get Yonsul to worship one of the Five... Jagga would work pretty well.
>>38456298Whoops, was reading things between will mod, willpower bonus.Oh well, have to push his wisdom to 18, and then cry as a human he has no way to push higher.
>>38456373Psychometabolism is still a good investment for him.Alongside getting him Apport, so he can Dimensional Arsenal his Power Armour.
>>38456302Doubtful, She a dhampir and all. Her staying normal would be best. She'd get spooted by Kulrathe pretty fast otherwise I'd imagine. Gift sense is a king gift after all.>>38456373Still makes him dangerous as hell. On par or better than most letum.
>>38456404>Doubtful, She a dhampir and all.I don't see how that makes it more unlikely.Its not like Dhampire powers are so great it means she doesn't nee anything else.The point with Kulrathe is valid, but Kulrathe won't be a problem forever.
>>38456403Yes. I was pushing for it at the end of last thread, nice to see that Pally clarified it. Being able to port in powered armor, or light armor and weapons as the situation calls for is nice.Or a bandolear of shields.I think we should just go ahead and open a fixit repair shop next to the bar.Have dev one of the workers there, and he can be employed and really his own boss.Easier then having to deal with an owner or crap every time we need to have him help us.
>>38456426Still likely the only reason he's where he is is because of the compact. If they found out she worshipped dark gods she get booted r killed as she isn't a reunited.
>>38456426>The point with Kulrathe is valid, but Kulrathe won't be a problem forever.We should either eliminate him or Jade next.He will be running out for the empire to chase down the crashed ship. Might be a good place to ambush them.Use the rebel contacts to line up a strong one, since most of his squad would be the ones that were in the raid.
>>38456468>If they found out she worshipped dark godsIts not illegal to worship the old gods, actually. And its not like they would necessairly find out.
>>38456468We don't actually know how regular Hiver society handles or sees Five worship.Its explicitly not legal, and we don't know if it could bring problems with her job, its one of those things we would need to find out.
>>38456547>Its explicitly not legalIts explicitly not illegal, I meant. Sorry.
>>38456500>>38456547Fair enough. Still it's her choice.