All right so, based off of last thread I feel like we all need to have a bit of a sit down today and have a bit of discussion on what direction we might all like to take this.If at least some of my worries get taken care of properly today, I'll maybe run quest number 4 properly.I suppose the main issue I wanted to deal with today is. It's pretty obvious that many people don't want to end up as a space lizard version of Kaguya as another Z FighterBut do people want to straight up be a bad guy in this quest? I know some do, but I'm curious what the overall mindset is.
Does it have to be as clear as good or bad?
>>39878934Honestly i'd rather see him as neutral, not good per se' but a warlord with his own chunk of the PTO who isn't a complete asshat.
>>39878967>>39878934I'd support either this or going full revenge mode on Frieza. Maybe both?
I would like to explore the background of the PTO a bit more and his race.
>>39878964Not necessarily, I think at least, it all really depends on how we end up taking things, which leads into>>39878967>>39879024The problem with going full revenge mode on Frieza is that you are going to have to be EXTREMELY careful at all points through out it, if it's intended to be resolved through combat.No witnesses, no remains, no 'paper trail' nothing. Else both King Cold and Cooler will attempt to have your head.>>39879063The current plan is to have you go back into space after the Vegeta problem is dealt with, no matter how you choose to deal with it.
I really wish DBZ had explored Friezas race more.
>>39878967Yeah, I'm fine with this. We don't need to be a 2edgy4u total asshole, but I'd prefer if we weren't another Z-Fighter. Being a benevolent warlord with a piece of the PTO pie is a great idea imo.
>>39878934I'd be okay with straight up bad guy or neutral but focused on his own goals.Maybe don't make it so clear cut?
>>39879191>>39878967I agree with these two, being a PTO warlord while still being somewhat good sound pretty fun. Building our empire and conquering new planets would be cool as fuck.
>>39879107We don't have to fight Frieza immediately. We may have already fucked with the timeline enough that Goku might never go to Namek, etc.
>>39879242>>39879228>>39879191isnt this kind of the plan in space monkeys quest too, only with a monkey lady instead of a lizard alcoholic
Personally I want to still appear loyal to the PTO, get a nice portion of the backwoods area to run on our own. And get Frieza and Cooler to go after each other while lending some support to Cooler.
>>39879228yep. we're space lizard Tony stark. Jenkins is our Rhodes. We can turn Earth into a capitol for our Empire and reap the benefits of capsule corp tech and inventiveness. PTO tech given to humanity through capsule corp and they know we gave it to them? We become CEO of earth.At that point we can become Doom at his most Heroic. A benevolent tyrant who will do ANYTHING for his people.
>>39879304hell, with arcosian self-grown bioarmor we can really be DOOM or BIOIRONMAN.
>>39879304Nah, we replace King Furry, via popular election.
>>39879107I would really like to explore the background and culture of the Arcosians too.Visiting the Homeworld would be really cool.
>>39879242At the current way things are going, depending on how much Arctus is involved with the Saiyan invasion, Namek may in fact not be a thing.If that is the case, and shit doesn't go COMPLETELY out of whack, you've got the ability to fight Frieza at your leisure.A gentle reminder, even though he's only trained for a very short time, Arctus has no idea what his power level currently is. At the start of the quest it was around 200K.>>39879207Didn't intend on it being a clear thing. The reaction from the Kami situation yesterday is what prompted me to do this.The accusation that one conversation with an old slug from a depressed alcoholic that's never actually had anyone to talk to would instantly make him a good person/Z fighter. Instead of just being able to get some shit off his chest he's been carrying for decades.
>>39879304Benevolent is probably the wrong word since we will cheerfully murder people who fuck with us.
Does Piccolo know our backstory now?
>>39879386We only cheerfully murder people who refuse to call us benevolent, like all supreme leaders.
>>39879386I think he meant that we'd be benevolent to the citizens of our little empire. We'd still brutally kill anyone who would threaten us.
>>39879476We'd brutally kill them in creative ways.
>>39879476You don't need a trip for this thread friend.
>>39879463Piccolo won't know everything unless you tell him or he goes to speak to Kami again about it.The bond between he and Kami doesn't transmit everything.
>>39879511Nope we're not freiza, we do it as quickly as possible.
On a slightly unrelated note, I've got a fun little idea.Give me an estimation of what you think Arctus' current power level might be, after the training he did on the way to Earth, and what he did at the end of the last thread.You might be surprised by the real answer.
>>39879529I've been giving him a pass because he generally has well thought out posts.
>>39879611220k? 210k?I honestly have no fucking idea. Did Frieza even train at all?
>>39879664Frieza has never trained a day in his life.As far as Arctus is aware, no Arcosian has aside from him.
>>39879611our power level is EXACTLY THE SAME, i guess.
>>39879679Frieza fought with his parents. Isn't that training?
>>39879684>>39879611our power level being the same isn't really power. it's some silly chi level thing. we can just get stronger and tougher and more stamina and crank out our bodily attributes.
>>3987961149,000 As strong as RecoomeI say this because a while ago it was said that Ape Vegeta was close to our power level, however, somebody would have obviously taken notice if his power could become similar or the same to Frieza's elite.
>>39879304>Arcosian Tony Stark.You have my vote 100%. We throw the Briefs into the mix and that will be fun as shit.
>>39879742Oozaru is a 10x multipliergeets base power was 18kthus his oozaru is 180kmathstop expecting consistency in toriyamas writing
>>39879611Hmm, if it was 200k at the start, it'd probably be around 300-400k right now?
I would like it if we could get away from canon, atleast for a while. Fight some bad guys away from the main cast, they're already in two other quests right now and there was another big DrBZ quest with them.
>>39879706A pure fight that is just to test your power isn't the same as training.>>39879742This guy>>39879798Has it right.Vegeta's last estimated power was around 18K, considering the Zenaki boost saiyans have, that Arctus is aware of, he was concerned that Vegeta might have gotten even stronger, and the Oozaru form would be enough of an increase to kill him if they fought.
>>39879839But we don't know if it was just to test his power.
>>39879806Vegeta isn't remotely a threat at this point.Considering that, are you close in your estimation anon?Perhaps.
>>39879839hey Eail, did you only read Kags quest, or do you follow Kabs quest too?
>>39879706Not really. The odd fight once in a very odd while doesn't constitute as training.
>>39879839>sparring isn't training cause I said.
>>39879897Okay, I'm gonna go with 500k. That seems like a reasonable number.
>>39879904I did not read Space Monkey quest before starting this.Right now I'm trying to catch up with that when I have time. Maybe some fun stuff could happen there if we play our cards right?
>>39879926The author of dragon ball said.
>>39879611whatever arbitrary number you thought up!
>>39879962The author of dragon ball can just change definitions of words? is that how far up his butt you are?
Does Arctus know about removing tails or doesn't he?
>>39879980Good guess!There is a method to my madness though.As far as you know.
>>39880012Frieza said he had to use his true form once against his parents. One fight is not training. Also considering who we are talking about they probably weren't sparing either.
>>39880079Currently even with the up to date scouters, Frieza's final form power cannot be reliably estimated.At the most you are aware that his second form is around 1 million in power if he's allowed to transform.The 'spar' between Frieza and King Cold was to test just how strong Frieza's final form truly was, as there was no numerical value they could properly assign it.
>>39879706I doubt it was training, per-say. More..."Daddy I want that planet.""Now princess, we've talked about this-""I WANT THAT PLANET."-esque tantrums.>>39880028>There is a method to my madness though.Mind going into detail a bit? Because I've been kinda trying to figure out a... "decent" PL system for something. I've sort of had to math out a leveling system vaguely based on Xenoverse's with comparisons to "canon" power levels, and boy do bullshit numbers just keep going. I'd like a good comparison, if you'd be willing to share.
>>39880150How did king cold survive?
>>39879957fun stuff?are we gonna run into Kabuya or somethingi think theyd actually get along, kabuya isnt as much of a boozehound, but she still likes to get crunk every so often
>>39880165In my thoughts about the system, the more you NEED the power, the easier it is to grow when you train. Perhaps something like that really only works for Saiyans and Super Humans, but it's what I'm currently using for Arctus as well.The way you train yourself is also very important, how you go about things.Hint: Arctus does this poorly, yet still gains power faster than you might think right now.>>39880210Who ever said that King Cold couldn't transform as well?
>>39880281Have you ever read the dragon ball multiverse web comic?
>>39880281Well judging off of Mutant Arcosians, they keep their power under wraps by containing themselves in weaker forms.MAybe Arctus is actually somewhat similar? He's got a huge amount of latent power and the act of forcing himself through intense training doesn't neccessarily make him stronger but releases some of that potential strength hiding within?
>>39878934(just dropping one extra opinion for the thread, but gotta run)IMO, something of a balance for a time would be best.I.e. we do not dick over the Earthlings. Help them slap off Veggie.But then go back to PTO workings, building up a powerbase as well as personal power while diplomancing/adventuring through space.
>>39880353I have, which is why you should be very, VERY, afraid of ever fucking with King Cold unless you instagib him>>39880358Smart.Arctus has many barriers to 'break' before he unlocks his true potential.Both mental, and physical.I almost want you to go to Namek, just to see what Guru's power might do to you.>>39880400That's the plan right now
>>39878934As much as I don't want Arctus to end up as another Z Fighter, I don't really want to see him become a Freiza either.However, I wouldn't mind seeing him take over Frieza's job and become a space warlord of sorts like what many other people in this thread have suggested already.
>>39880150>Currently even with the up to date scouters, Frieza's final form power cannot be reliably estimated.This is correct. Frieza's full power was literally off the charts, and no one stupidly said a number after saying it was off the charts. We only get numbers from behind-the-scenes information.
>>39880486Space Semi-Ethical Capitalist. Is what I want to go for.
>>39880486I kinda feel the same way. He has little reason to stay around the Earth after his business there is concluded. But at the same time, I don't really see him hunkering down anywhere and building an empire. Like some other anons have said, I think it'd be more fitting for him to go around having space adventures and building up his power to deal with Frieza as one of his ultimate goals, and occasionally getting called by various members of the PTO to deal with stuff in between major arcs.
>>39880519ExactlyArctus is approaching the level at which Vegeta's scouter will not be able to give a reading either.Vegeta's model of scouter is out of date though, so keep that in mind
>>39880281That's a fair way to do it, I guess. Need vs. desire has canonically led to massive power boosts in DB, and loads of training based on need and technique have given insane gains.My system has sort of had to treat "base" PLs like EXP alongside what they are canonically. "Levels" are gained once a certain PL is reached, giving flat stat boosts as well as bonus boosts.Completely unrelated note, but I can absolutely understand why they were dropped in the manga. Jesus vampire-hunting Christ. You don't want to know what Buu Saga/Battle of Gods Vegetto's maximum power level could have been, based on "research." You also don't want to know how strong Super Saiyan God has to be based on that.
>>39880598How big is the jamming field our scouter creates?
>>39880452>That's the plan right nowOh, awesome. Good luck on getting more cool ideas, I'm off!
Something I noticed, anyone else seen that Eail still doesn't refer to Vegeta with a gender pronoun?
>>39880617Once it got to seven digits, it's pretty meaningless. All you need to know is that these two or three guys have outpaced the rest of the currently relevant universe, and one of them can take the other two at once.
>>39878934He might not be a bad guy per say but I can imagine him not being very nice.
>>39880685The foreshadowing for the bend is so strong, NOT doing it becomes a surprise in it's own right.
>>39880685I think he just doesn't care for vegeta much. honestly I don't like the guy either They only seemed to keep him around because they needed a new piccolo.
>>39880617Wasn't the Porta earring fusion said to be the strongest thing in the DBZ universe?I'm curious what Mystic Gohan was at, based on being well beyond Super Buu.
Becoming a space warlord trying to take over/ bring down the PTO sounds fun. We could form splinter group of our own crew and use guerrilla warfare against the PTO to weaken it and train our guys.We could still help the Z fighters and maybe they could help us in our quest, also have caspule corp keep us supplied with gear in exchange for space science.
>>39880685Sir Prince Vegeta II, heir to the Saiyan Throne, and his loyal servant Lord General Nappa Esq. They both talk in high-class English accents and are very gentlemanly world-conquerors.
>>39880757ChillVegeta was my fucking nigga which only started when he confessed what happened to the saiyans and ask for Goku's helpDon't even fucking get me started on Buy saga Gets>My pride>Final AtonementJesus
>>39880598Approaching?Weren't the old models exploding on seeing Early-Namek-Veggie? Arctus was beyond that level on day one.
>>39880617>You don't want to know what Buu Saga/Battle of Gods Vegetto's maximum power level could have been, based on "research." You also don't want to know how strong Super Saiyan God has to be based on that.I-I actually kind of do want to know, now.
so what have we figured out this special?
>>39880757Put it this way for how much "GM" armor Vegeta has.Vegeta could end up becoming nothing more than a stain on your boot on the path to greatness, or the most important NPC of this quest.
>>39880757We should keep him around as our pet monkey. Or what I suggested last thread, incapacitate him, destroy his scouter, then take him back to Cooler and kill him along the way. No evidence of the Dragonballs, and we can feed Cooler a line about how Vegeta wanted to revive his race with necromancy from Earth. We complete the mission, and Frieza and Cooler don't learn about the Dragonballs.
>>39880864That we're definitely not going either Freiza 2.0 nor Goku 2.0. And it is good.
>>39880873Why dont we just get the dragon balls and wish for the dragon to kill frieza?
>>39880864That Arctus is his own man and will walk his own path>>39880935And be denied your vengeance?ON THAT NOTE, WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE ME TO RUN QUEST #4 TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AFTER PREPARING SOME STUFF?
>>39880865Can we get a preview into how he acts in your dbz universe?
>>39880985Whichever you feel more comfortable with.
>>39880865Well thats ominous. But makes the choices clear. we quietly sweep all this (and him and nappa) under a rug.Or try to recruit him in our bid for greatness. Hell if we play the cards right the dragon balls could restore both races but not likely to happen. He's a greedy SOB through and through. He only listens to frieze due to fear. If we give him a chance at revenge and maybe if he doesn't screw us over a shot at restoring his entire species he could be one of our best fighters.I guess it depends how well we can sweet talk him into it. He's a bastard but he's smart when he wants to be.
>>39880935Well in the show Shenron cannot grant a wish to kill someone that is stronger than his creator. So anyone stronger than Kami is immune to death by dragon ball.
>>39880985Do whatever you want man, I'd like to have it today, but if it'll be better for you to do it tommorow, do it tommorow.
>>39880934Also, we are going to find those kids from the end of last thread and "accidently" kill them while training.
>>39880985ready whenever you are boss
>>39880856Super Saiyan God Goku's power level is a bajillion. That's as meaningful and applicable in as many situations as any exact concrete number you would get.
>>39880985 It would be fun to do it today, but if you don't think you are ready postpone it.
>>39881027Well shit. can still just wish to be immortal.
>>39881026We literally can make an offer he can't refuse seeing how we can kill him instantly something we shouldn't lord over him if we try Also if that does happen we need to have the chat with no Scouter's active to reveal what's going on
>>39880985Truthfully? I'm just impressed you took a step back and made a "Guys? Real talk." thread. Run whenever you're ready.
>>39881002That would be spoilers anon.>>39881009>>39881031>>39881036>>39881078We'll do a short thread I suppose. Give me a bit of time to prepare things properly and I'll see what we can do.>>39881102Thanks friend, that means a lot.
>>39881035Who the hell were they? I didn't get the reference.
>>39880713Pretty much. The numbers (if one would try to assign fighters them) get absolutely insane, judging from dialogue, feats, etc.>>39880767It was. Vegetto was stronger than Super Buu with Gohan absorbed in his base form. As a Super Saiyan he was so strong that even being turned into candy he was stronger than the pink blob.>>39880856Conservatively speaking, Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto would have a PL of around 8 trillion. Super Saiyan God Goku, based on how he turns down even the idea of fusion as being useless against Beerus, has a PL of anything from 10 to 60 trillion. Probably higher. Power Levels are bullshit of the highest degree, and I'm glad that they stopped getting used in the manga.
>>39881084Man immortality is for people who are scared, desperate, and need more time It's also not something I see Arctus wanting I don't know why anyone would want to be immortal shit is kinda boring
>>39881084Immortality's a trap option, as long as you have folks counting on you who can quest for dragonballs, or have Instant Transmission.
>>39881128Kaguya, Kazuma, Billy, Haya.I would have made them actual characters if you chose to approach them. DRALO gave me his blessing.
>>39881090I wouldn't mind recruiting him honestly. Vegeta is the kind of ruthless bastard you want in your corner in a fight. Intelligent, merciless against a target and knows when to stop toying around and take a fight seriously. And if I remember right Nappa is actually fairly good (far as space monkeys go) at being a general of somekind. He'd be useful too.The real question is what happens after Frieza is all dead and gone.>>39881165Immortality is loaded. Ask Garlic Jr. He's immortal and look at what happened to him.
>>39881124 Please... J-just one word atleast or a sentence
>>39881148>>39881165Well surly we can wish for something to make killing the midget easier. All those fuckers couldnt have been after the balls for nothing.
>>39881187Part of me wants to. Part of me doesn't because they wouldn't be useful at all to Arctus's agenda right now.
>>39881194Garlic Jr. is made of bad ideas. For fuck's sake, the Dead Zone. Just... why.
>>39881102>Truthfully? I'm just impressed you took a step back and made a "Guys? Real talk." thread.Imma second this guy's notion.
>>39881187Ahh, other quest's characters. I thought they'd be some obscure guys from canon.
>>39881229Let's not. Not that I want to have us go out and murder them or anything, but let's leave them as cameos and nothing more.
>>39881194Vegeta is also a team killing idiot who repeatedly lets people power up when he can finish them right there.
>>39881194>The real question is what happens after Frieza is all dead and gone.That all depends on him. Slim chance we might bond or at least find some form of respect Cooler and Cold will still be alive and unless we go to very extreme lengths we might be in open war with them after gibbing the kitchen accessory. But if he starts getting shifty and shit afterwards we beam him. We'd have to make it very clear how strong Cooler and Cold is But all of this won't mean much until we get a feel for his new personality in quest
>>39881187Kind of tempted, but they only got involved in their questline because of a chance meeting. Even if Arctus met them, I don't see how they'd become relevant characters.
>>39881240Agreeing. This has been informative, and I'm glad we're all kinda at least trying to set a few ground rules and goals we can sorta agree on.
>>39881316I can think of easy ways to assure his loyalty. Mainly by taking the time to actually talk with him and include him in the agenda, and giving him an actual chance to train and improve his strength. He's the prince of a dead race and we know about a source of magic power so crazy good he can have a living one again. Thats a powerful bargining chip.Course doing THAT is another thing entirely. talk about pandoras box!
>>39881194>Immortality is loaded. Ask Garlic Jr. He's immortal and look at what happened to him.Nah.He hoisted himself by his own petard.For people who are NOT idiots, it goes like this:1)You are fighting a guy without a Phantom Zone. If youre immortal, he can't kill you even if he's stronger.2)You are fighting a guy with a Phantom Zone. If he beats you, it doesn't matter if you're immortal or not.So being immortal is advantageous in case number one, and is not actually disadvantageous in case two.Although, yeah, it's mostly hax for sayians with zenkai shit.Arctus could probably wish for something else.
>>39881388But Vegeta didn't give two shits about his own race in the canonverse.
>>39881406>Arctus could probably wish for something else.Limitless bottle of the finest booze in the universe.
>>39881415"Hey, you can actually get sayians to be a prince over."
Idea if we go with the kill Vegeta route for when we tell Cooler why he want to earth. Just say he went to avenge Raditze. If pressed just say Vegeta was pissed that such a weak planet managed to kill a saiyan so he went to earth to wipe it out and make a point... then we showed up.
>>39880566>he has little reason to stayB O O Z E
>>39881441>Not wishing for immunity to hangovers
>>39881333I just have a question I can see why Arctus might want to become the new ruler of the PTO not wanting people like the Cold family in power ever again But what about conquering other planets and trading them and shit? Considering what he was on the receiving end of I doubt he'd be interested in doing that shit too.Thoughts? >>39881415Let me tell you somethingThat' was the stupidest fucking part about him. LiterallyI realized that after I saw how fucking torn he was about Frieza killing all of his loved ones and his planet But he never tried to find or reunite them. He even killed NappaToriyama you damn shitbird what was the point?
>>39881388I still think its a bad idea. The sayins arent even that strong baring the super ones and they are all too fight happy to follow orders properly. Vegeta took years and dying to make him not be a huge asshole and he is still a dick.There are lots of races we can use instead.
>>39881415He's also a massive egomaniac. He probably drooled at the concept of becoming King some day.We could give it all back... It would at least get his attention if we wanted to parlay instead of paint him a nice shade of murder across 10 miles of landscape.>>39881483Maybe... Its just brainstorming on my end. Vegeta's a wild card in all this.
>>39881406don't wish for immortality, it doesn't mean we're indestructible or immune to pain. We find someone stronger then us they could just rip us into many pieces and laugh as we twitch in pain unable to die. Wish to become the most powerful being in the universe first and then go for immortality if you still really want it.
>>39881445If we do kill him or let him go we tell him about how he learned that Raditz was killed by another saiyan and went to recruit him also following a bullshit magic rumor
>>39881441that's ultimately worthless to us. part of the joy of the best booze is the work and anticipation to get it. id we just have infinite best booze it'sjust. useless.
>>39881444He had one. He killed him.>>39881479The sayins probably take the view of if he died he was weak and deserved to. God knows they are not a clever people.
>>39881509Fallacy in wording. That would in my eyes say Strongest in the Universe at this point in time. It'd boost our power levels alright but how far? I'd wager just one digit above the most powerful.Wishes are finicky like that and why you shouldn't rely on them.
>>39881500When on a revenge quest against tyrants wild cards aren't helpfulOff topic if we get minions what kind of puns are we going to name them after?
>>39881479Well we could still go about conquering some worlds, particularly militant ones that act hostile towards us, but otherwise maybe we could try to expand the PTO through less violent measures? Trade agreements, technological development, strategic marriages, that kind of shit
>>39881483The thing about the Saiyans is they are the perfect warrior race They literally get stronger from surviving.I expect them to be fucking livid but I also expect Nappa and Vegeta to be able to keep them in control helping them realize what got them fucked in the first place
>>39881469The perfect wish! No hangovers means we can enjoy booze without regret!
>>39881526I say leave the magic bullshit out completely less he looks into it himself. Just say Vegeta was trying to build his own army with powerful warriors in non-PTO space to overthrow Freezia.
I get that he hates Frieza, but I'm positive he'll give Cooler a chance to redeem himself since, you know, he's such a cool guy.
>>39881509garlic jr has shown that the dragonball's immortality is absolutely insanely good. garlic has been shredded and regenerated, vaporized to nothing and regenerated. it's like having a combination of Mr Immortal's power and Wolverine's healing factor at their absolute best.
>>39881570>>39881570>>39881570QUEST NUMBER 4 IS LIVE
>>39881554In canon yeah bar and a few other than Bardock. Not like they had any reason to be breeding thinkers they were literally soliders only got their tech as gifts and loot. Which is a huge fucking problem Honestly interested to see how E does them this time
>>39881571Drinks obviously.>>39881574Seeing as their whole business is selling empty planets to someone I doubt that would work.>>39881587They are also huge idiots that love slaughtering people. Fuck them. Why dont we just gather an army of whatever recoom is? or whatever bojack is? or our own god damn race, all of whom start way stronger than sayins?
>>39881479I think Arctus's endgame should be becoming something like the Dominion from DS9. We use diplomacy and negotiation, the implication(occasionally the actual deed) of military conquest if refused, and the protection of our person/armies against outside threats to coerce planets into joining our empire. Once they are part of it, we integrate them as smoothly as possible so we have one unified and assimilated whole
>>39881688Who the fuck buys planets anyway?
>>39881761Money Grubbing Clorfors, they'll try to Clorf you out of your money
>>39881875>ClorforsBut they aren't alive to buy them
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Should we archive this? It is related to the quest.
>>39886992I say we should.