Jal is duelling with Gilthanis – both of them using two blades at once. He is glowing with magic and his speed and strength seem to be a match for hers. But the spells on him look short-lived, soon Jal will have the upper hand.

Isla is blocking spells and curses hurled by Lady Anrachis – the air between them twists and warps with powerful magical energies but Isla seems quite calm, her eyes narrowed as she recites arcane formulae. The two are only a few feet apart, neither moving except to cast their spells. In contrast to Isla’s calm, Lady Anrachis is sweating with effort and snarling.

Sofia is battling Hathwyn, her one sword against his two. She is faster and stronger than him, but the dagger glowing with life-draining necromantic magic sticking out of her lower back is probably slowing her down. Hathwyn lands several good blows on Sofia but she is unhurt, her own powers protecting her.

Kiluthrin lies unmoving against a wall near where Sofia and Hathwyn are fighting, his back twisted at an unnatural angle and his chest caved in. His eyes are open as his soul departs his body.

It seems your wives have the upper hand in the long-run, but you’re in no mood to let this betrayal go unpunished – for betrayal it must be, you are confident that your wives would not have started any hostilities without good cause.

You can hear Silyana, the rebel you were talking to, running up behind you.

What do you do?

>Use power/spell (what?)
>Hang back, your girls got this
>Yell at them to stop fighting
>Other (what?)

>>40278413
>Cast Radiant Chains on each of the traitors in succession, beginning with Sofia's opponent

>>40278413
Force walls. Around everyone. Except wives, but keep them from killing the others.
"You people had exactly one job: Convince me to not support Slagredeth. And honestly, I might not have helped him with his rebellion problem; I'm a busy goddess. But this? How do you think this all will end?"

>>40278413
>>Hang back, your girls got this

>>40278413
>Use power/spell (what?)
>Hold Person on Hathwyn
>Yell at them to stop fighting

>>40278448
>>40278453
You guys realise you should vote for the action for ONE ROUND. Multiple Force Walls and Radiant Chains would take several.

>>40278413
>Yell at them to stop fighting
> Holy Song if they don't comply

>>40278483
If something of significance changes, we'd get an interruption vote. If nothing of significance changes, I don't want to waste time voting for the same option twice more.

Sushi is not a cake, captcha.

>>40278536
Thats not how it works, one vote for one round. Thats how it works. And obviously they won't just keep doing what they are doing if we take our sweet time setting up 3 standard action spells, of course shit will change.

>>40278536
You can't actually be this stupid.

>>40278413
>Use spell
>Holy Song

>>40278453
>I might not have helped him with his rebellion problem; I'm a busy goddess
That doesn't even make any sense. Wanting to help THEM with their problem is the entire reason we are here, if we intended to not do anything aboiut it because we are busy we wouldn't be here.

>>40278530
>>40278600
You realize Holy Song will probably kill them, right? 5d6 + Willmod*3 is a lot to scrub mortals.

>>40278413
If we would use Holy Song here, I assume it wouldn't damage Silyana ven if she is evil, because she isn't a enemy, right?
+
Would actually be good if we don't use the damage effect at all, but I suppose we can't suppress that?

>>40278623
I doubt they are scrub mortals, but I honestly don't really care. Likely it will.

>>40278554
We've done successive round actions in the past, anon.

>>40278566
I can be as stupid as I want to be. You can't stop me.

>>40278660
Not in combat rounds we haven't.

>>40278628
>If we would use Holy Song here, I assume it wouldn't damage Silyana ven if she is evil, because she isn't a enemy, right?

Would damage her if she is evil

>Would actually be good if we don't use the damage effect at all, but I suppose we can't suppress that?

Nope, package deal.

Vote extended by 5 minutes in light of new info

>>40278600
Yes, fuck those assholes.
>>40278628
She isn't evil. Also, disregard what he said, roll for damage!

>>40278673
>Would damage her if she is evil
Thats kinda odd, usually we got clauses of friend/foe distinction. Like how our regenration aura doesn't bolster our enemies.

>>40278413
>>40278530
changing to
>Use power/spell (what?)
>Hold Person on Hathwyn
>Yell at them to stop fighting

>>40278681
>She isn't evil.
Its not really something I would be so sure about that I would bet her life on it. I don't think we actually checked yet.

>>40278719
We did. She was the only one that didn't detect as evil.

>>40278673
>Would damage her if she is evil
Uhm, I assume this is one of those things where we need succubus domain to not kill our own followers if we ever use it around them?

>>40278719
Last thread we detected evil from all rebels except from her.

Bit of a contested vote, but most popular option seems to be to stop the fight nonlethally, with Hold Person (Hathwyn) being the most popular choice of these so going with this.

No rolls needed, yet

>>40278738
You're right, we did. Completly forgot.
Might as well question them, I guess. And just slaughtering them outright is kinda rude.

>>40278765
go ahead.

>>40278769
But they attacked our waifus, so I think they deserve it.

>>40278793
I wouldn't have been exactly weeping over them if we had killed them.

>>40278765
Sounds good.

You resist the urge to sigh, why does it always have to be this way?

You awaken your arcane powers and start casting your spell, shaping it into something that will stop your foes.

As your wives battle, you release your spell. Invisible energies fly towards your target and freeze Hathwyn in place. Sofia seems unfazed by this turn of events and turns from her fight and heads towards Jal.

Isla and Lady Anrachis continue to twist reality between them, neither seem to be winning, but Isla remains calm as Lady Anrachis’ spellwork becomes hurried and sloppy.

Gilthanis shifts to meet Sofia’s headlong charge and redoubles he efforts to battle both her and Jal, but they quickly back him up against a wall. His attacks come faster and faster, trying to keep the two of them back rather than score any real hits. Jal and Sofia work well together, stalking him and waiting for him to tire. Blood from the knife wound is making a mess of Sofia’s clothes but she fights on grimly, unwilling to pause.

“Time, to go Lady!” growls out Gilthanis. You note Lady Anrachis nod, in the midst of her spell duel.

Hathwyn stands frozen, unmoving.

Actions?

>Use power/spell (what?)
>Hang back, your girls got this
>Yell at them to stop fighting
>Other (what?)

>>40278860
>Use power/spell (what?)
>Dimensional Lock

>>40278860
Hold person on Gilthanis. About time these cunts explained themselves.

>>40278860
>Anti-Magic Field (R)
>Punch Gilthanis

>>40278860
>Dimensional Lock
Hahaha, no.

>>40278912
I don't really get the appeal in making it so that nobody gets to magic instead of just preventing all dimensional travel.

>>40278860
>>40278912
>Anti-Magic Field (R)
>Punch Lady Anrachis

>>40278942
In case her Teleport spell is (R), if it is, she would get it off before our Dimensional Lock.

>>40278954
Reminder that you can vote to spend XP at any time and that making Dimensional Lock (R) is 2 XP.

>>40278967
Not my call to make on my own, I can't vote with the assumption others will agree to that purchase.
AM field only minimally affects us anyway, so I see no real reason to do so. It also shuts down all of their Enchantments so they can basically not fight anymore.

>>40278860
>>40278954
Makes sense, actually. Supporting.

anti-magic field wins

5 minute extra vote, you want to hit somebody, but who?

>Gilthanis
>Lady Anrachis
>Neither
>Both

>>40279020
>Both
Hit one with the other. Improvised projectile weapon.

>>40279020
>Lady Anrachis

>>40279020
>Lady Anrachis
Seems to me Jal and Sofia got Gilthanis covered in the hitting department.

>>40279020
>Both
Grab one, throw him into the other

>>40279031
This. Teleport that, motherfucker.

>>40279020
Well, there goes our Hold Person.

>>40279053
It served its purpose, its not like we need to keep him paralysed anymore.

>>40279074
I hope by "it served its purpose" you don't mean Sofia turning her back on the scoundrel.

>>40279110
Considering all magic is supressed right now, he can hurt her even less now than he could before. Which was basically not at all.

ok, doing the dark elf double slam it is

Please roll 1d20+19 for the beatdown

Rolled 11 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>40279130

Rolled 7 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>40279130

Rolled 5 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>40279130
And so Oreias national sport was born.

Rolled 11 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>40279130
whack'em good.

>>40279162
>And so Oreias national sport was born.

The Elf Toss?

>>40279189
Jal was exceptionally pleased with this turn of events and first to achieve the rank of master tosser in Oreian league.

>>40279162
I thought it was deposing of dick ass tyrants?

>>40279250
HAHA!

>>40279346
No, that is simply the ruler's pastime.

Lady Anrachis twists the arcane energies she’s wielding into a confused, unusable form, wait, is she seriously going to...?

Yup, she is. As the arcane magic she was shaping runs wild, Isla tries to contain and channel it, stopping it from hurting anyone, or creating some sort of unpredictable, random effect. Her brow furrowed in concentration and her tongue sticking from the corner of her mouth the more bookish of your wives manages to contain the roiling, unstable energies.

Lady Anrachis uses Isla’s distraction to cast a new spell, a teleport spell to be exact. She gathers and shapes the energies and...nothing happens. Faster than she can cast her spell, yours activates, suppressing all magic in the room.

Sofia straightens up as the dagger in her back stops draining her life force and the multi-hued storm of energies that Isla is battling dissipates.

The effect on your foes is immediate. Gilthanis slows, his blurring blades seem to stop moving. He is swiftly disarmed by Sofia and Jal.
Lady Anrachis runs at you and tries to dodge around you, heading for the open door, you easily grab her and throw her past Jal and Sofia into Gilthanis, they both go sprawling on the floor in an undignified heap.

Hathwyns paralysis ends, and he darts towards Sofia, only for her to spin and put the tip of her blade to his throat “That wasn’t nice” she growls, forcing him backwards, his hands in the air in surrender.

Silyana finally catches up, physically at least. Looking at Gilthanis and Lady Anrachis sprawled on the floor with Jal and Isla standing over them, and Sofia looking like she wants to gut Hathwyn.

“What’s going on?” asks Silyana, a little out of breath.

All three of your wives give you looks of anger, impatience, and confusion.

“I’m not sure” admits Isla “One minute we were talking, and then Kiluthrin stabbed Sofia.”

>>40279250
>master tosser
hehe

>>40279346
No, thats the noble sport. Like fox hunting.

“I’d like an explanation” you say, glaring at all three of your living foes.

None look like they want to speak.

Actions?

>Demand Lady Anrachis explain
>Demand Gilthanis explain
>Demand Kiluthrin explain
>Use spell/power (what?)
>Other (what?)

>>40279389
>Demand Gilthanis explain
>tie them up
>release Am field and heal Sofia

>>40279389
>Demand Lady Anrachis explain
> Tell them they can either work with us, or we take what we need from their minds directly, and who knows what else we learn on the way.

>>40279389
> Demand Kiluthrin explain

>>40279389
Wasn't Kiluthrin dead?

>>40279389
>>40279448
>>40279474
Yes, substitute Hathwyn for Kiluthrin, votes for Kiluthrin will default to Hathwyn

>>40279389
>Demand Gilthanis explain
>Tell them they can either work with us, or we take what we need from their minds directly, and who knows what else we learn on the way.
Probably not alot of point in asking the religious fanatic

>>40279389
>Demand Gilthanis explain

Listen up, dipshits. You had one chance to convince me to side with you or at least not stomp your shit on account of this girl being too nice to deserve it. Now I offer you one more deal. Hand over the artifact and you will not see or hear of me again. Refuse and I'll take you directly to dragon's dungeons myself.

>>40279521
God, just stop with this cringe inducing stuff. Thats not even remotly how Sireyi talks like.

I was just trying to convey the general message. But you're right.

>>40279389
>Demand Gilthanis explain

roll 1d20+23 for an explanation

Rolled 11 + 23 (1d20 + 23)

>>40279584

Rolled 11 + 23 (1d20 + 23)

>>40279584

Rolled 7 + 23 (1d20 + 23)

>>40279584

>>40279601
combo breaker.

Use Deific Power for a 20?

>Y/N

5 minute vote

>>40279665
Sure. Slag clearly knows already where they are anway.

>>40279665
>N
I really, really doubt a 33 doesn't beat the DC under these circumstances, as such I don't think it's worth mind-raping them.

>>40279665
Y

>>40279665
>Y

>>40279665
>N

>>40279665
>N

>>40279698
Its not really mindrape. Its close enough that we need good reason to use it, but its not the same thing since it isn't invasive.

>>40279665
>Y

>>40279665
>N
Might need it later, what with death gods being spoken of

>>40279731
It is exactly mind-rape, it literally forces them to be persuaded or intimidated or whatever by warping reality. We know this in-character and we saw it in the narrative with the vampire lord.

>>40279665
>Y

>>40279757
>it literally forces them to be persuaded or intimidated or whatever by warping reality
it doesn't, it gives us a better success. A 20 is not a guaranteed success, they can still resist just as well as they could before, we enhance our ability to interrogate and do not diminish their ability to resist interrogation.
Its not the same thing.

vote closed, counting

>>40279665
N

>>40279757
>it literally forces them to be persuaded or intimidated or whatever
If it would force them, it would be a auto-success, which it isn't.

>>40279780
Mechanically, yes, but that doesn't change that in-universe it's mind-rape. Don't ignore the narrative and the warnings of a Goddess that knows way more about it than us just because you don't like it.

>>40279816
>t that doesn't change that in-universe it's mind-rape
No, in-universe its explicitly not mind-rape.

>>40279837
Except for where the Goddess told us it was mind-rape and it was mind-rape with the vampire lord. DP is reality warping, it warps their minds; if you just want to talk perfectly, that's Angels Voice.

>>40279816
You completly failed to understand Velyas point if you think that was it.

>>40279854
>Except for where the Goddess told us it was mind-rape
She said no such thing. Stop making stuff up.

>>40279854
>it warps their minds
No, it warps reality. Thats not the same thing. Its like saying that if you create a threatening atmosphere to enhance your intimidation attempt that would be "mind-rape", not all form of influence is mind-rape. Don't try to use it as buzzword, there are already enough of those.

>>40279867
>>40279856
>“Gods live apart from mortals for many reasons but this is one: you could change the most stubborn mind with only small portion of your power – tyranny is so very, very easy under these circumstances.”
Tell me how to read that in a way that doesn't say that we're forcibly altering people's minds.

>>40279894
The one time we used it for intimidation, it explicitly mentioned in the narrative we were targeting his mind.

>As you speak you stare him straight in the eyes, willing him to believe in the sincerity of your words, trying to *make* him believe you. You use a tiny portion of your deific power to make him believe you.

>>40279922
>Saying it can be used for that purpose=/= it can only be used for that purpose

>>40279922
>Tell me how to read that in a way that doesn't say that we're forcibly altering people's minds.
Easy, it says we can use it to forcibly alter peoples minds, it doesn't say it can only be used that way.

>>40279930
>>40279945
It can be used other ways, but when you vote to use it to alter people's minds (i.e. what you do to get a 20 in this circumstance), that's what it's going to be used for.

>>40279965
>but when you vote to use it to alter people's minds
It can just as well be used to alter reality to make us more imposing.

>>40279965
Deific power doesn't actually change people, it changes the world and reality.
So no, its not the same thing as mind-rape. Its a generally agressive influence, which is why we don't use it one anyone but enemies or in extreme circumstances, but its not the same as mind-rape. Words have meaning, you can't just substitute one word to mean something it isn't because its more evil sounding.

>>40279988
We didn't use it like that automatically before when we were intimidating someone, so why would it automatically be used like that now instead of just warping their minds?

How would we alter reality to be more imposing anyway? Use more detail, you have to make a write-in for a non-standard use of Deific Power, and the standard use in this scenario is to directly warp their minds.

>>40280054
People are among the things it can warp, we were warned about that.

>>40280076
>We didn't use it like that automatically before when we were intimidating someone, so why would it automatically be used like that now instead of just warping their minds?
Because it were two different situations. There is a pretty marked difference between making a vampire lord tell you stuff and what it needs to make two disarmed elves tell you stuff.

>>40280111
The action is identical, regardless of circumstance, so why would the default usage change without a write-in using it a different way?

>>40280076
>People are among the things it can warp, we were warned about that.
We weren't "warned" about it. Obviously peope are part of the world, but its still not the same thing.

And if anything Velya cautioned us against using it frivously, which is very much not the case here.

You really do what to know what they thought they could accomplish by this, but first things first.

“Sofia how’re you doing?” you ask. You’d like to heal her, but with your own spell blocking magic, that might not be a wise move.

“I’m fine” says Sofia grimly, it doesn’t seem like bravado either. Although she still has the dagger sticking out of her back the blood has stopped flowing and she holds herself straight. Sofia was always tough, but with the new powers you recently granted her and the others, she might just be your physical match.

[Meta; Upgrades to Isla, Sofia and Jal hand-waved as being done at some point in the past.]

You point to Gilthanis “Explain, now”

Gilthanis looks at his allies, as if looking to blame them, possibly Kiluthrin. As he opens his mouth you know he’s going to give you a web of lies.

“The truth” you say, cutting him off, you use your godlike power to convince him, make him understand that he can’t lie to you.

[Deific Power -1]

Gilthanis gives you a wary look and then seems to slump, as Lady Anrachis climbs off him, he explains.

“Hostage-taking is an honoured tradition” says Gilthanis “we knew that we would be unable to coerce you, and tricking you seemed unlikely given your powers. So when that fool” he nods at Silyana “led you away to hear her idealistic nonsense, we took the opportunity you presented to us.”

“What did he just say?” Jal asks of Isla, looking confused

“We were to ensure Sireyi did what they wanted” Isla explains to Jal, flexing and rubbing her fingers after he spell duel.

“Exactly” says Gilthanis “one of you understands. As long as you did what we wanted, your lovers would not have been harmed.

“You stabbed Sof in the back!” Jal objects to Gilthanis’ reassurance, whilst demonstrating one of her favourite tactical manoeuvres. What’s it called again: Smashing the Cherries?

When Gilthanis stops gets his breath back you motion him to continue “A necessary bargaining tool” he wheezes “We had to convince you our threat is real, we did not mean permanent harm to them!”

You think he’s *mostly* telling the truth. Their deaths were likely not the goal, but you doubt these people placed any real value on the lives of your wives.

Jals scowl only gets worse and she goes to repeat her performance.

“That’s enough Jal” says Isla, though she’s trying to hide a smile.

“No need to stop on my account” says Sofia, but Jal reluctantly backs off when Isla takes her by the arm.

Silyana has been silent through the explanation, now she kicks Gilthanis in the shoulder and gives a scream of frustration “We were supposed to gain an ally!” she yells at him “What would have happened afterwards, even if she gone along with your stupid scheme?!”

Hathwyn shifts slightly.

“Go on” says Sofia, her eyes never leaving him, her blade still at his throat “try it if you want, but I don’t rate your chances.” Hathwyn goes still.

What do you do?
>Ask questions (what?)
>Just leave, you’re done here
>Other (what?)

If leave wins, there will be options dealing with them all in follow-up vote (i.e. let them run off, take them back to Slagredeth, or Oreia etc).

>>40280139
I'm not sure what you're even arguing or why you think it's valid. Warping minds via usage of a supernatural force = mind-rape to me. I don't care if you agree with my usage of the word and the word itself isn't central to the argument, as you might have noticed by the fact that I switched between three or four different ways of saying that it's supernatural mental alteration.

>>40280219
>Just leave, you’re done here
We can leave dealing with them to Silyana, and then ask her to accompany us to Slag to talk about that help we said we could give her.

>>40280219
>Just tell me where the scythe is.

>>40280219
>Just leave, you’re done here

>>40280219
>Just leave, you’re done here

>>40280253
>Leave dealing with them to one of their allies.
Herp derp you just went full retard.

>>40280303
If you think she is still their ally after they might have fucked up the best thing she ever got in her life, and after we offered her a alternative to working with them, then you are probably the retard.

>>40280303
She is definitly not their ally anymore.

>>40280219
>Just leave, you’re done here

>>40280219
>Finish earlier negotiations with Silyana while the traitors are under guard.

>>40280335
>>40280340
Let me think for a second, who am I going to trust more, some random bitch from another dimension that wants me to work with my mortal enemy, or my co-conspirators that I have been working with for god knows how long? Yeah, that's a tough call!

>>40280408
What the fuck are you talking about? How is this a question of who we trust more with anything?

> that wants me to work with my mortal enemy
Which mortal enemy?

>>40280408
Not sure what kind of insanity has gripped you there, because nothing you just said related to the situation we are in. At all.

>>40280443
>Which mortal enemy?
The dragon-Hitler, obviously.

>>40280408
Did you go full retard because you got called out and then figured "might as well"?

There aren't any co-conspirators here we have worked together before, so what?

>>40280471
Even if you somehow consider him our enemy for some reason, calling someone who hasn't done anything to us ever our "mortal enemy" is beyond stupid.

You pause, thinking about your next move.

“I say we stick them all” says Jal, you’re not positive, but it seem she wants to kill them.

“Or trade them to Slagredeth” suggests Isla “since I expect we’ll be bargaining with him for the location of the Reapers Blade”.

“I know where the Blade is” says Silyana “I can even get it for you *if* you help me negotiate a deal with the dragon.”

You exchange looks with your wives. Sofia gives a nod, as does Isla, Jal shakes her head.

“Free us and I can give you the scythe” says Gilthanis “The scythes guardians won’t trust her” he nods to Silyana. You can’t tell if he’s lying or not, he’s nervous, but then he might end up getting eaten by a dragon, depending upon your choice.

Lady Anrachis just watches, her eyes full of hatred.

What are you going to do with your foes?

>Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth
>Let them go
>Other (what?)

Vote assumes all three have the same fate, unless you say otherwise.

>>40280408
I meant that from Silyana's perspective, if that makes sense.

>>40280562
>Other (what?)
>Silyana can deal with them, I assume the rebellion has ways to deal with traitors. Then we can go take her to Slagredeth to negotiate

>>40280571
No, it really doesn't because she already told us she doesn't trust them at all.

>>40280562
>Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth
Lets work with Silyana

>>40280562
> Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth
Assuming Silyana doesn't object, we might as well use them.

>>40280562
>Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth
Slagredeth is the ruler of this place like it or not so criminals are his to deal with, not ours. As for this guardian, I think we can manage that on our own if anything.

>>40280562
Just handing them over to Slagredeth seems like a waste but I don't want to just let them go.

Since hostage taking is such an important part of their culture, they can be OUR hostages, and be returned as long as their forces remain cooperative

>>40280571
>if that makes sense
She explicitly went out of her way to get that random bitch from another dimension to help her, obviously she is going to trust a good angelic deity over the asshole backstabbers.

>>40280562
>Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth

>>40280562
I'm a bit confused which is the "work with Silyana" option here, since her "I know where the blade is" can be easily understood as trying to tell us we don't have to hand them to Slagredeth.

>>40280562
>Take them with when you speak to Slagredeth

>>40280705
This is not a videogame, anon. Choices aren't binary.

>>40280746
I'm not sure if you just intentionally misunderstood me or didn't properly read what I wrote.
My point was that the "Take them to Slagredeth"option could be both in favour or against working with Silyana depending on how she meant her statement.

>>40280705
handing them over to Slagredeth is not needed for you to get the scythe - since Slagredeths conditions for telling you were it is are *take it away and don't bring it back*

Working with Silyana will come up in dialogue with Slagredeth - i.e. convincing him to work with her.

This vote is about choosing to keep custody of these guys, letting them go, or thinking up a creative fate for them

Vote extends to 5 minutes from now, in light of explanation.

>>40280788
I don't think thats necessary, I think thats how it was mostly understood, just needed a confirmation.

>>40280788
I say we ask Silyana. Maybe she can find a use for them we aren't seeing, or would prefer to have her former allies taken care of in her own way

>>40280811
I say we hand them to the local authorities like a good paladin should.

>>40280843
The local authorities being an evil death dragon who the faction we are trying to persuade to help us hate

>>40280788
>>40280811
Pretty much this, yeah. No reason not to get her input.

>>40280861
>who the faction we are trying to persuade to help us hate
Uhm, no? We are currently working with the evil death dragon, and then we wanted to see if there might not be merit in working with the rebels against him, and we found out there really wasn't.

>>40280562
>Make them into blood eagles

>>40280889
>not blood angels
One job, anon. One job.

>>40280909
A Blood Eagle is an actual execution method and I was worried it wouldn't be recognized as such if I said angel instead.

>>40280930
Yes everyone knows that, but if you didn't mean it as joke you might as well not have bothered.

>>40280946
I did mean it as a joke.

>>40280909
We even got three people to use, so we could make it a six-winged angel.

“I think we all need to have a talk with Slagredeth” you say to Silyana “about the Reapers Blade, about these idiots. Let’s all just talk it out.”

“No!” yells Lady Anrachis “Silyana if you go near the dragon he’ll simply eat you, and us too!”

Silyana stares at Lady Anrachis for a moment, then looks to you “I’m done with them” she says “I’m willing to try your way.”

“What would you do with them?” you ask Silyana, inviting her views.

Silyana shakes her head “I knew they weren’t in the rebellion for the people of Kelsoreth, but I thought I needed them. If Slagredeth is willing to listen...maybe I don’t need them, do whatever you want with them.”

They yell insults at Silyana as you lead them away, until finally you gag them to shut them up.
---
“Not everyone wants the old ways back” Silyana explains to Slagredeth “some just want more of a say in our own lives.”

You’re on top of Slagredeths palace, in the amphitheatre, with the dragons head looking down on you all, his head and neck rising out of the central hole.

You have your wives, including a healed Sofia with you, and your captives (despite some spirited escape attempts).

Silyana and Slagredeth have been talking for an hour or so, discussing the rebellion, the government of Kelsoreth and the small nation in general.

Some issues they agree on: such as keeping Kelsoreth safe from its neighbouring cities and commoners and nobles being equal before the law. Others they do not: Silyana wants a fully elected government, Slagredeth would prefer people choose his *advisors* whilst he retains all the power.

Finally Slagredeth yawns “Well this has been interesting” he says “I may spare this rebel simply to have someone intelligent to talk to” he confides to you “though I admit, I never expected you to bring me so many of the rebels leaders, I assume you want something for them?”

Silyana gives you a worried look “I can get you the scythe” she says “you don’t even need to fight anyone for it, just...help me.”

Slagredeth gives her an amused look “My offer stands: you said you would take it far from here, so now I owe you the scythes location. Leave the rebels in my care and I will grant you a boon as well.”

You exchange looks with your wives. Their reactions are mixed: Isla and Jal nod towards Slagredeth, Sofia towards Silyana.

You could simply take up Slagredeths offer: the location of the scythe. There’s no need for you to get involved in local politics.

You could help Silyana by persuading Slagredeth to work with her, the people of this city deserve more than just a tyrant who keeps the peace.

Separate to that is the fate of the other rebel leaders: You could leave them in Slagredeths care, or Silyanas, or do something else with them. Silyana has shown little interest in their fate, but handing them over to Slagredeth could result in their execution – he implied as much when you first showed up with them.

Vote will be called in 10 minutes for 2 issues: siding with Slagredeth or Silyana; and the fate of the rebels.

Options will be as outlined, plus you can propose write-ins during the next 10 minutes.

Vote will last for 5 minutes when called.

>>40281287
Might be a good moment to bring up that possible deal we had talked about with him?
I think our divine patronage would go a long way to make him feel safe enough to allow them more political freedom.
Although the issue of his aligment needs to be brought up if we want to set up a permanent relationship.

>>40281287
I'm leaning heavily towards persuasion for the first vote.

The rebel leaders hurt our wives, so I don't really care if they're executed.

>>40281287
> There’s no need for you to get involved in local politics.
>Sireyi
>not getting involved in local politics
Pick one.

Definitly taking persuading on this one, kinda surprised that Jal would take Slags side on this.

>>40281287
>You could help Silyana by persuading Slagredeth to work with her, the people of this city deserve more than just a tyrant who keeps the peace.
He wont be able to maintain control here indefinitely, he admitted as much himself when he asked us for more power. With the cooperation of the rebels and a bit more democratic approach to things then perhaps he will last after he runs out of Deific power.

As for the other leaders. They are criminals in an another rulers nation. It is up to him to uphold the law and lead out punishment.

>>40281287

Here's your boon: take Silyana as an ombudsman, make an office where her people would have some representation.

Sireyi can even throw in more favourable terms of trade in that case to sweeten the deal.

Soft power ho!

>>40281287
I'd side with Silyana. Really this is what's been important. Slagredeth gets what he wants- the scythe taken very far away, the rebels get what they want, and we all walk away happy

>>40281326
trade deal (and divine sponsorship) will be in a later vote

>>40281456
Sure, but I think it will play a role in convincing him to work with the Silyana.

>>40281393
I would agree, with the exception of the favorable terms of trade. He simply needs more worshipers for a sustainable power base. A reformation in how he interact with his subjects might bring worship.

I think we could convince Slagredeth to work with Silyana if we work it from this angle:
1. delegating some of the work of being a ruler will make it less of a hassle.
2. less annoying rebels to deal with if part of the dissenters are satisfied. The ones that just want members of their own kind having a say about their lives and are otherwise content.

>>40281475
He's not a God, anon. Worshipers give him nothing.

>>40281480
He will, quite right, conter that allowing representation with actual legal authority independent of his own, opens the gates for infiltrators and nobel rebels.

I don't know guys, I feel like if we let the drow govern themselves they will devolve back to their evil backstabby society.

5 minute vote

Politics
>Take Slagredeths side, not your place to get involved
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people

Prisoners
>Give them to Slagredeth (execution?)
>Let Silyana decide their fate (imprisonment?)

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth (execution?)

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth (execution!)

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
though deific powers won't help since he'll counter with his own.
>Let Silyana decide their fate (imprisonment?)

>>40281475
He can't use worshippers as we do. If he wanted some Sireyi's divine power, that would require much more on his side, most importantly to reflect her philosophy.

>>40281530

Pally !!Fu6gnkcV1fA
05/30/15(Sat)15:57:46 No.40281530
5 minute vote

Politics
>Take Slagredeths side, not your place to get involved.
Prisoners
>Give them to Slagredeth

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth (execution?)

>>40281530
>>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>>Let Silyana decide their fate (imprisonment?)

If we're going to offer him DP I want to make redeeming touch part of the deal, I also think we should see if we can get him to let us do it up front so he can see this from the other side.

>>40281562
>though deific powers won't help since he'll counter with his own.
More importantly it would be incredibly rude.

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people

>>40281584
How about no?

>>40281584
>I want to make redeeming touch part of the deal
No, fuck off.

>>40281530
>Take Slagredeths side, not your place to get involved.
He already is doing good for the people.
>Let Silyana decide their fate (imprisonment?)
Longer life, longer regrets.

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth

>>40281513
It wouldn't be entirely self-governance; Slag would still be their ruler and neither him nor Silyana want a return to the old ways or the interference of other cities. Not to mention the future relations with Oreia mean Sireyi can step in if the nobles start trying to be fuckers.

>>40281530
>Persuade him to work with Silyana, for the good of the people
>Give them to Slagredeth (execution?)
I'd prefer if he wouldn't, but they clearly deserve it under most reasonable authorities, so fuck 'em.

>>40281584
First we should inquire about him detecting as evil. Because you know what they say, you actually are what you eat.

closing vote and counting

>>40281633
Talking about his aligment is definitly arequirement if we want to make him our Avatar. But then we need to talk to Blue too.
For a one-time exchange and some political cooperation I don't consider it important.

>>40281633
Fair point
>>40281602
>>40281603
Objection noted.

writing siding with Silyana on the politics front, but giving the rebel leaders to Slagredeth.

Please roll 1d20+42 for negotiating

This roll will be to get them to work together. Stuff for Sireyi (trade etc) will be next

>>40281661
And what if he then uses that DP we gave him to burn kittens and rape orphans? I don't think Sireyi would be down for that.

>>40281584
I have no idea why some people keep trying to bring up Redeeming Touch despite the fact that not even once in any of our actual redemptioms we ever used it.
Its just pointless. If he wants to be better, he doesn't need it, and if he doesn't, it doesn't do anything. Redeeming Touch is just about only useful for people who have innate evil to deal with like demons.

Rolled 11 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40281688

Rolled 1 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40281688

Rolled 4 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40281688

>>40281661
Pretty sure Blue's Chaotic Neutral.

Rolled 8 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40281688
>>40281690
Then Sireyi will hear about it and come back to smite his scaly ass off, I very much doubt he is interested in that.

>>40281530
>Side with Silyana, work for a compromise

>Give prisoners to Slagredeth, urge for him to show mercy so his people can learn to trust him and accept him

>>40281732
>Pretty sure Blue's Chaotic Neutral.
That matters how?

>>40281661
I'd consider it necessary for any kind of exchange of Deific Power. We lose little, if anything, by inquiring and my curiosity is extremely high. Also, even a one-time gift would make him our Avatar. Avatar is just a term for anyone that's granted Deific Power by a God or Goddess.

>>40281717
What is it with us and 11s today?

>>40281745
Pally if you see this and consider writing it in, then just don't. Because these assholes don't deserve no mercy.

>>40281795
>What is it with us and 11s today?
We are dealing with a serpentine dragon god of ambigious morality.

>>40281818
It's not for us it's for the drow though. As long as Slagdereth acts like a tyrant people will treat him like a tyrant

>>40281824
That was a 10.

>>40281824
I'm not seeing the connection.

>>40281842
They have largely no issue with him being a tyrant.
Definitly not the legal system that bothers them.

>>40281858
He confused numbers.

>>40281842
I don't think sparing the lives of a couple of assholes that were ready to plunge this kingdom into a bloody civil war will help out with that. Especially considering they wanted to do it because of money, slaves, the right to kill commoners whenever they wanted and the right to worship evil gods. It's not like he's crucifying drow-Jesus here.

>>40281877
The one rebel we're trying to help cares.

>>40281930
She has made it pretty clear she has no issue with them being executed, and given how much she despises all they stand for, I wouldn't bet on her not wanting their execution too.

>>40281948
Well, they did bring her into their little circle to play the idealist they could kick to the curb if they ever won.

“The rebel leaders are yours” you say to Slagredeth.

“Excellent” he says, leaning down and grinning, showing his teeth. Silyana takes a step back and the others cower. You lay a comforting hand on her shoulder

“I think you and Silyana should work together though” you say “I think you both want the same things, you just disagree on the how.”

“Hmph!” says Slagredeth “And the *why* - speaking of...why should I work with her?”

“The people deserve a say in how the city is run!” says Silyana, stepping forward

“A fine job they were doing before *I* came along” counters Slagredeth “going back to the old ways are we?”

“No one is suggesting that” says Sofia “but by listening to them, you can cut down on the support the rebellion has.”

“And take some of the administrative burden away” you add.
---
The debate goes on for a long time, finally Slagredeth gives in “Alright, I see your points” he says moodily “She” he nods to Silyana “will be appointed as my advisor immediately, her first job is to figure out *how* the people of Kelsoreth want to pick their government. I will keep my position as ruler, but they can start handling the small stuff, if they don’t make too big a mess, then I’ll talk to them about setting their own laws and taxes.”

Silyana opens her moth to object, Slagredeth cuts her off “That’s enough for now!” he insists “really girl, you seem to have a clear head on your shoulders, but it’s the others you need to think about – your noble houses weren’t born power-hungry idiots, they became that way over time, helped along by their gods. For now they get a small taste of power, after that...we’ll see.”

Then Slagredeth calls for guards to take Gilthanis and the others away, as they are escorted to the dungeons (their fate unspecified) he says to Silyana, in a kinder tone “Now if you’ll excuse us, there are things I need to discuss with the Lady Sireyi alone, please.”

Silyana gives you a curious look, but perhaps Slagredeth treating her with courtesy is enough. She follows the guards and prisoners down into the palace.

“I take it you have had time to think about what we discussed” says Slagredeth. Ah yes, he wanted some of your power...

“Even if you tell your people to worship Sireyi” points out Isla “forced worship means nothing, nor do I think it will help at all.”

You wouldn’t take forced worship even if it provided you with more power anyway.

“Not forced no” says Slagredeth “encouraged – yours would be the only legal religion. You can send your priests here to proselytise at will. Your churches will be exempt of tax, all small details that will allow people to worship you, if they so choose.” Seems he’s been thinking about this too.

“And” suggests Slagredeth slyly “I could throw in favourable trade terms if you want...”

“Or military aid in times of war” suggests Sofia

“And a really big house” says Jal. When everyone looks at her she stares back defiantly “I saw a really nice one in the city the other day, ok.”

What do you ask for?
>Gold (amount?)
>Favourable trade terms (1-5; Oreia only? Or Dalvin and the Azure Empire too?)
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other gods is allowed (which gods? All gods?)
>Military Alliance
>Fancy House
>Other (what?)

And what do you offer?
>Deific Power (amount?)
>Military Alliance
>Other (what?)

Trade (1-5) – the higher the number, the more favourable the terms are for Oreia etc. 1 is slightly favourable, 5 puts you at a massive advantage, long term it could cripple Kelsoreth economically, if you let your merchants do so.

Average of votes on Gold, Deific Power and trade will be used, if they win.

Military alliance is an option in both offer/ask as it can be written to be mutual defence, or not.

10 minute vote but may be extended in light of write-ins/questions.

Followed by a persuasion check as usual, difficulty will reflect the terms of the offer.

>>40282292
>Favourable trade terms (1-5; Oreia only? Or Dalvin and the Azure Empire too?)
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other gods is allowed (All good and neutral deities that don't disrupt public order)

>Deific Power (negotiatable)
We have really no idea how much is sufficient in his eyes, we don't really have a scale for these things. And we would need to wait to provide it until after next year anyway.

>>40282292
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>>40282292
>Worship of other gods is allowed (Dornenr Pantheon, as in Konig and his buds)
>Military Alliance
>Fancy House
Offer
>Deific Power (50 flat and half of whatever we get from worshipers in this plane.)
>Military Alliance

>>40282292
>Favourable trade terms
>2 Oreia
>1 Azure Empire
>1 Dalvin
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other gods is allowed (All non-evil deities)
>Deific Power
>Point out how the service of Sireyis priests, once they come, will be of great benefit to the realm too

>>40282337
>We have really no idea how much is sufficient in his eyes,

A fair point

Rather than a number, anons can vote for

>low
>medium
>high

amount if they want

Amount is assumed to be a one-off, unless you want to write in a yearly figure - i.e. 10/year

>>40282384
The issue is that we need to negotiate so much that we can still purchase succubus domain, which also depends if we fight the Killing Frost before or after we do so.

>>40282292
>>40282382
Seconding
Halfnthe deific power of local worshippers, and a one time payment of 30.

>>40282292
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Military Alliance
>Favourable trade terms (3; Oreia, Dalvin and the Azure Empire too)
>Military Alliance
>Deific Power (amount?)
>low
>half from the worshipers that come from his city.

>>40282403

Meta

Succubus Domain costs 500 DP

You gain 10% of your max per year

Worship from this nation will grant a small amount of DP at first, which will rise over time

>>40282292
>>40282382
Making it 20DP, as offer, and a quarter of our yearly gain from this realm.
Thats about the same we offer our sister, slightly less probably.

>>40282384
Then change this>>40282372
To medium + (half of what we get from this plane/per year).

>>40282292
Seconding this >>40282382

>>40282292
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other gods is allowed (Velya, Konig and the rest of that group?)

>Favourable trade terms
>2 Oreia
>1 Azure Empire
>1 Dalvin

>Military Alliance

Offer.
>Military Alliance
>Deific Power (amount?)

Could we do so that we can offer him Deific power depending on how much power we can gain from worship from the Drow here? Like say for every 10 Deific power we gain from this area he gets 1. That way he will sit on a long term source of power instead of this short term solution.

>>40282292
>Favourable trade terms
>2 Oreia
>1 Azure Empire
>1 Dalvin
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other gods is allowed (All non-evil deities)
>Deific Power 20+1/4 local gain/year
>Point out how the service of Sireyis priests, once they come, will be of great benefit to the realm too

Seems reasonable

>>40282292

>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Worship of other good and neutral gods is allowed
>No "evil" policies - we'd have a clergy member or an angel as ethics consultant to see the power is not being misused. In case of breach we would withdraw any power

in exchange for

>Deific power (negotiable)

I'd rather not ask for mundane things like wealth or trade benefits for this particular thing.

>>40282471
>Could we do so that we can offer him Deific power depending on how much power we can gain from worship from the Drow here?

Yes you can offer a fraction or percentage.

Time extended for 5 minutes from now as I need to go AFK

>>40282292
>>40282477
Second.

>40282292
>Favourable trade terms (2; Oreia only)
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>Military Alliance
>Other (Let those who want to leave move to Oreia)

>And what do you offer?
>Deific Power
>Military Alliance
We shouldn't take too much trade from him, it will hurt us in the end to have a dependant ally. Blue makes enough money with her raiding and Dalvin is fine; Oreia is the only realm that actually needs money now.
And I haven't forgotten about that idea of bringing the unhappy elves to Oreia, like orphans and the like. I think it could be a good way to promote miscigenation in Oreia and show that dark elves aren't monsters that have to live underground.

>>40282495
I definitely only want to give him a fraction of what we gain from the worship of the drow/people under his rule.

>>40282292
>Favourable trade terms 2
>Worship of Sireyi is allowed (I don't mind others as well)
>Military Alliance
>He helps with LoL
Offer
Deific Power (30 + more later)

How much DP can we give him without impossibilitating getting another domain?

Reminder that we currently have 541 Deific Power and we need at least 500 to get the Succubus Domain once it comes up in the narrative, which will give us back almost it's entire cost immediately and a lot more after a year or two in addition to various other benefits.

What I'm saying is, don't go over 40 upfront.

>>40282292
>>40282477
this
+
>we'd have a clergy member or an angel as ethics consultant to see the power is not being misused. In case of breach we would withdraw any power

>>40282512
Yes, want him dependent on us for his power so that he wont go and do assholeish things with it. Got to keep a leash on him.

>>40282534
We have currently 540, so we can give away 40 at most.
>>40282543
It also encourages him to encourage policies and society to develo in sucha fashion that they would favour Sireyis teachings.

>>40282495
I hope you write the drows reaction to the change in politics.

I'm definitly against a military alliance, I don't want a carte blanche of being dragged into a war on another plane. If he comes under attack, he can ask for military assistance and if we are capable, we might provide it. For our followers, if nothing else, but definitly not as a up-front agreement, there is nothing he could really offer us for a military alliance from his side, since he is basically under siege from 3 other cities anyway.

>>40282567
I'd rather not end with 0 DP at any moment so make it 30

closing and counting

>>40282584
You'll get a brief description this thread, and a more detailed in if (when?) there is a timeskip

Should probably make sure that any lceric/etc of Sireyi's that comes cannot oppose the government.

>>40282612
Hence why I said at most.

>>40282604
We could ask for a defensive pact then? One where if he or we are attacked either side is obligated to help or in the case of special event like the war on the Lords of Life. That would rule out him launching several wars of conquest due to his alliance with us.

>>40282292
Adding
>Let those who want to leave move to Oreia
and
>10% of Deific Power from his people
to >>40282524
With a don't make me regret this conditon.

>>40282292
>>Worship of Sireyi is allowed
>>Worship of other gods is allowed
Good gods who work with us.
>>Military Alliance


>And what do you offer?
>>Deific Power
10? I don't know.
>>Military Alliance

>>40282650
He has interest in our domain being prosperous and we have interest in his domain ebing prosperous, we have no real need for a formal alliance.

It would be a war against evil drow kingdoms and evil vampire lords, so I don't see a problem with that.

>>40282692
War of agression is war of agression, no matter against who.
Sireyi is not Konig.

And from a rational point of view, we just can't afford diverting military resources to this place anyway.
Though part of the reason why I wanted Trade relationshops with the Azure empire is because she can afford it.

>>40282691
I'd not say no to potential military aid when the conflict with the Lords of Life begins. I got a feeling we are going to need everyone we can get to fight them.

>>40282763
I would, we don't get anything from draining the few military resources this place has when in exchange it gets razed by rival drow kingdoms/undead lords.

I've been reading the archive and I have to ask have we sent missionarys to that first city we got our first hit of rebeling in?
We're all very proud of Sireyi for rising above her habit.

>>40282832
We don't have any missionaries, so no.

>>40282832
You know, in some places it's called a "demonic invasion" and it isn't considered to be a very good thing.

>>40282842
We sort of do? Its not really clear, but way way back we voted to get more followers in Dornmer. But that was never mentioned again nor adressed anywhere, so we can assume the number of such converts is negiligbly tiny. And it may not actually even be a thing anymore after the founding of Oreia.

We could try to convert him later, and turn him into a angelic dragon, or a Paladin of Sireyi Valyenya, Her representant on this plane that gets a % bost from any deific power generated from worship in this plane. Something like say 30% or 25%.


And if we do manage to do that, than our next political proces would be to get Oreia, The Ayure Empire, Drache and this Nation bound in a Federation, with solid and unbreakable trade and travle treaties, military aliance and perhaps regular cooperation or integration.

Having a Federation across the Planes in a greater cooperation could allow us to consider better mass transport through the planes for both people and goods, and gives us ready places to evacuate or get reinforcements in case of trouble that are most likely not affected.

Another Thing regarding the Succubi, of Oreia, is that while the Wizard negociations fell through, we could have another drawn up with Paladin and Clerics of friendly nations and have the Succubi of Oreia as contractor devil and hell specialists, that can give them insights onto how thigs work and what they know, especialy in Accademies such as Konigs Paladin Accademy, where such warriors would be wise to be aware of the Infernal Politics and such.

More than that they could summon a Succubi that is a Paladin or Cleric of Valyenya and thus get a to double their holy power.

That is if we can que and alter somehow the summonings to happen in x area, for Succubi Clerics, y for Paladins, z for Wizzards, etc.

The Summonig of Succubi from Oreia then could be used basically as a on demand reinforcement and support service, that can double your numbers and not only that but allows you to choose what kind of support to request and get it if available.

The winning options as I count them are:

Ask

Favourable trade terms
(2 Oreia)
(1 Azure Empire)
(1 Dalvin)

Worship of Sireyi is allowed

Worship of good/neutral gods is allowed

Offer

Deific Power
20 + one-quarter of that gained from your worship in this nation

Point out how your priests being here will help Kelsoreth

I'll call for a roll in a few minutes, please check my count in the mean time.

>>40282907
Not exactly what I voted for, but it seems good enough to me.
I think the only thing that might be contested by some is the exact trade details?

>>40282907
In hindsight, Trade for Dalvin might be overkill, since trade from oreia would natrually flow into Dalvin too.
Oh well, its for the waifu I suppose.

>>40282907
Would have preferred 20 now +1/10 of worship from our worshipers on this plane.

>>40282974
I think 1/10ths is far too small, especially in combination with allowing the worship of other deities.

>>40282907
eh, that should be okay.

>>40282974
And I would have preferred 40 now and 1/2 later, but I guess we can't always get what we want.

Ok, please roll 1d20+42 for talking

>>40282974
Seconded, he shouldn't need to spend more than 1DP a year with his power.

Rolled 16 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40283033

>>40283033

Rolled 5 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40283033
Wow +42

Rolled 18 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40283033

Rolled 11 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40283033

>>40283067
Fucking 60. Damn...

>>40283036
We are almost as powerful as him, and look at our expenses. We burned like 20 DP in this plane alone.

>>40283036
We already had a vote on it.

>>40283090
That's because we had to kill a whatever-that-was.

>>40283090
He is far more conservative with his powers too though, but that might change with a steady 'income'.

>>40283122
We should actually ask him what that was, he should know.

>>40283033
Pally, is there a "Drow" domain?

>>40283126
>but that might change with a steady 'income'.
Which brings up the queston of do we want him feeling he can spend more?

>>40283172
Lolth, go home.

>>40283200
Yes we do, we literally voted for it a few minutes ago.

>>40283200
Since there isn't really a lot he can spend it on here, except to improve this place. I'd say its better he spends it rather than hoarding it for the day when he rises up against our rule over him.

We still haven't checked for why he radiates evil so much.

>>40283200
Which reminds me.

>>40283033
I assume we can only restrict his DP usage for the DP we actually gave him?

>>40283244
We should ask him that, yes. I would assume it was a part of the negotiation process.

>>40283269
>>40283244
Backing.

>>40283172
Technically, there is.

>>40283324
Either there is, or there isn't. I dont see how there could be one "technically".

>>40283172
There are race/species specific domains, yes

>>40283265
>>I assume we can only restrict his DP usage for the DP we actually gave him?

You can't restrict what he spends it on, but you can stop giving him more.

>>40283346
>You can't restrict what he spends it on
We could with our sister when we made her our Avatar, was that because she got her original DP from us?

Rolled 9 + 42 (1d20 + 42)

>>40283033

>>40283361
>We could with our sister when we made her our Avatar, was that because she got her original DP from us?

You and your sister are a lot closer, mystically speaking, than you know

“Favourable trade does sound useful” you note “encouraging my worship here is obvious” you cringe a little at how proud that sounds, quickly adding “though I also want the restrictions on religion in general lifted.”

“Really?” says Slagredeth, raising an eyebrow in surprise.

“Yes” you say firmly “a single goddess is no choice at all – the people of Kelsoreth should be free to worship any non-evil deity. My followers will be a boon to your people in many ways: healing, solving disputes and so on.”

“I suppose I can agree to that” says Slagredeth, he grins unpleasantly “now what do you offer...?”
---
You spend the rest of the day talking over details with Slagredeth. Finally the two of you come to an agreement.

In return for a small portion of your deific power, and a quarter of what you gain from this nation, Slagredeth agrees to encourage your worship, allow other gods to recruit followers here, and to arrange for favourable trade terms between your nations, though not burdensome ones.

You have your agreement, but you also want to know something before you sign.

“I can detect evil” you say bluntly to Slagredeth “and you are giving off a lot of it, before I sign, I want to know why.”

Slagredeth laughs “because I *am* evil” he says “ah look, this is a tale...a long time ago I was content to simply hoard treasure and hunt. The dark elf cities expanded over time and entered my territory. Since that time I’ve had no peace – raiding party after raiding party came for me and my hoard. I took over Kelsoreth to put a stop to it. To begin with I really didn’t care for the city or its people. I broke the power of the noble houses to prevent organised opposition to my rule; I instituted equality before the law to win support with the commoners and harsh laws to bring order to the place to make it less confusing. Over time I came to care for the city I suppose - as a farmer might care for his lichens and mushrooms – I keep the city in good order, keep its people fed and watered and orderly.”

Slagredeth gives you a hard look “and I will defend what is mine – to the death. Do I care for individual lives? These personal freedoms Silyana talks of? No, not really. People in my city can die, and I care not, I care for the city and its people as a *whole* - I do not care for each life as a separate, precious thing. Freedoms for these people are means to pacify them, not treat them as equals. I am a dragon, I am so much more than they will ever be, I care because they are *mine* not because they are my equals.”

Reactions amongst your wives...are mostly grudging acceptance.

“I’d rather a ruler cared for his people as pets, than not at all” observes Sofia, though she doesn’t look entirely happy.

“So he’s a politician” says Jal, shrugging, adding quickly as Sofia glares “and yer not luv, yer a good person.”

Isla adds “honestly? Given the stories about the dark elf nobles – this is still a step up.”

True, you think, not an ideal situation, but you work with what you have.

“Very well” you say “I agree to your terms.”

>>40283684
>“because I *am* evil”
I'm not even gonna say it.

His scribes draw up agreements that you sign, as does Sofia. Simple paper treaties with no magic that you detect. You promise to give on to your sister as well, you expect that she will sign but you also tell Slagredeth that you don’t speak for her.

Once you’re finished, Sofia gives you an amused look “So better terms for Oreia than for Dalvin?” she asks

“Oreia needs more help” you defend your decision “Dalvin is thriving, whilst Oreia needs a lot of help before it’s up on its feet.”

“We import most of our food from Oreia” observes Sofia with a laugh “as does much of Dornmer, you can’t be that hard up.”

“Roads, armies and guilds don’t build themselves” you say defensively.

Jal adds “Seems ter me” she says with a grin “That mebbe you two need ter *negotiate* yer differences in private – I offer meself as *mediator*.”

“Jal must you?” complains Isla, Jal just laughs.

“Amusing” says Slagredeth you blush, you’d almost forgotten he was there.

“I’ll ask Silyana to retrieve the Reapers Blade” says Slagredeth “Was there anything else you needed, such as a boon?”

Is there anything else?

>No (skip to getting the Reapers Blade)
>Ask a question (what?)
>Ask for a boon (what?)
>Other (what?)

>>40283637
...anon. That was really much much too late.

>>40283701
>Ask a question (what?)
>Ask him after the wrath 'demon' we freed and killed at the battlefield

>>40283701
>Maybe later
>skip to getting the Reapers Blade

>>40283701
>>40283757
Second.

>>40283701
>Ask him after the wrath 'demon' we freed and killed at the battlefield
Nearly forgot about that one.

>>40283701
>Ask a question
> About the demonlord we killed

>>40283701
Ask about the demon dude in the crater.

>>40283757
This.

>>40283701
Angel dragon time?

>>40283701
>Ask him after the wrath 'demon' we freed and killed at the battlefield

>>40283684
>“because I *am* evil”
Flawless victory for Detect Evil.

>>40283698
Well, It was only fair to assume his innocence until he was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

>>40283842
Eh, we could offer it.

>>40283701
>>40283757
Adding
>Talk to him about abandoning evil, knowing it or not, he is not so far away from redemption himself

>>40283842
Yes, supporting this.
>>40283883

>>40283883
A bit too late, maybe we get a chance after this question. It seems like a thing Sireyi would offer.

>>40283842
Hell yeah, angel paladin dragon sounds nice.

>>40283701
For an argument about moving from evil to good or neutral good.

A gardener may care about the health and well being of his garden over the well being of a single blossom, but a GOOD gardener knows that the health of that single blossom may decide whether or not his other plants strive or fail. The gardener looks at his plants or myconoid colonies as individuals, checking their well being and adjusting accordingly- the death of a bud to chilled weather may be unnoticeable when compared against the background of other thriving organisms, but it may be indicitive of even greater problems the gardener himself is unaware that could threaten his garden as a whole. Aphids, imbalances in the soil, a bad winter to come, etc.

A good gardener knows he can't save all the buds and blossoms that fail to bloom, but he still strives to save them, knowing that by helping one he is helping all of them and in this way ensuring his own prosperity so he will have a beautiful garden and healthy crops for seasons to come

>>40283984
But that should be Shnaulzahuerrerer and Niclovereninrn

>>40284049
Sounds good to me.

>>40283883
>>40283924
>>40284049
Sounds like a huge waste of time.

>>40284109
>helping someone to overcome evil is a waste of time
>Paladin Quest
You are definitly in the wrong quest here.

>>40283984
I'm not sure a dragalin is a good idea anon but I would let us cut him off if he missbehaves

>>40284109
Good job being in character, anon!

>>40284131
>>40284145
Remember that fatehax demon? The one who could not be redeemed even after using Redeeming Touch? Sireyi should know that some people are simply not interested in changing.

>>40284136
I don't really care about fancy template stacking, he can stay whatever he wants to be. But I want to at least offer him to repent and turn to the path of goodness.

>>40284109
Feck off anon.

>>40284173
No, you feck off.

>>40284162
And that's why she won't ever try to redeem anyone. Besides, fatehax was a huge edgelord, this guy is just a bit egoistic.