A Tyranid Hive Ship crash lands in South Africa tomorrow.How fucked are we.
>>40439794It doesn't matter where the fucking thing lands.One ship would kill our entire planet.
>>40439824You mean from the impact or the 'nids?
>>40439794>not landing in AustraliaWe'd be fine in that case.
>>40439794>South AfricaThe Sweetie Man will fook up those xenos real good.
>>40439794It can't possibly fuck things up any more than they already are.
>>40439848One ship is hundreds and hundreds of kilometres long.The impact would be catastrophic, what follows would be apocalyptic.
>>40439887"We" being everyone on the planet. They're not going to stay there, that's just the starting point for the invasion.
>>40439961Okay so scratch the crash part because I want to discuss modern military vs space bugs, not the movie Armageddon.A Hive Ship more-or-less gently lands in South Africa.
>>40439976I know, that was the point.
>>40439794I give humanity three weeks tops before we're endangered, two months before we're completely extinct.
>>40440011Then we're dead, either by the Bugs or the Radiation caused by the Nukes we have to use to defeat them.All other tactics are doomed to failure.Everything we kill is taken back and recycled into new, more efficient bugs.Everything of ours that dies is taken back and recycled into new, more efficient bugs.
Not fucked at all. Turns out 40k Tyranid models are 1:1 scale.
Unless we pulled a Gurren Lagann we'd be more fucked than a girlscout in Dan Schneider's basement
>>40440102I don't even think we could wipe them with nukes. Regenerating Carnifexes and burrowed bioforms have survived Exterminatus, and Tyranids are resistant to radiation.
>>40440143Perhaps if we rapid-fire nuked it non-stop we might be able to kill it before it could adapt.But even then we're so fucking fucked.
>>40439794They could wipe out our planet with one Sporocyst, they don't need a Hive Ship.
>>40439794more like how fucked are they?!
>>40440238ND pls go
>>40440238No. Forget that mess. I think I have the answer.
>>40440335>We would be as properly fucked by IRL Tyranids as game Tyranids were fucked by CruddaceSounds about right.
>>40440369I know but I was thinking use Cruddance to handle the Nids.
>>40440391More like he would get skullfucked by Genestealers for sweet revenge.
>>40440467>Implying his mere presence isn't harmful to TyranidsBut I often think he's actually a Yrgmarl genestealer with a grudge against the Hive Mind but let's go with he's toxic to Nids.
>>40440011Baring immediate nuclear attack, which is not likely in the case of an alien landing in South Africa, we lose the planet. It might take a while, but since losses don't matter at all to the Tyranids, they will eventually overwhelm every military force on the planet no matter what happens.As a final "fuck you", any humans that manage to get off planet should start diverting near-earth asteroids onto Tyranid Earth. It 'might' kill them, or at least stop any immediate plans to get off planet.
>>40439794Don't worry. We'll take care of those fookin prawns.
>>40439794It depends, a great deal of the 40k-verse wouldn't work in reality. I'm unsure where the Tyranids fall in terms of realism but either we're dead due to them or they're dead due to biological or physics related issues.
>>40440696They're more cosmic evolution than anything. The universe hates everything so much it created the Tyranids.
>>40440723Well our universe isn't so grimdark so maybe the Tyranids won't be so effective. The Space Marines & the Orks definitely wouldn't be effective in real life.
>>40440783True. The only thing that could work would probably the daemons.
>>40440783>our universe isn't so grimdarkOh really?
>>40439794The only way we'd survive, maybe, is if we unleashed our most powerful weapons such as nukes, MOABs, and those thermobaric fuckers at their landing point.Assuming they don't rain onto every possible place at once.If we somehow head them off from landing, we probably poisoned our world anyway. So we die, radiation resistant 'nids consume what's left.Either way, we lost.
>>40439794I don't know enough about TyranidsHow do they handle aids from consumed biomass? General disease immunity?How do they handle the butt-fucking some of the more adventurous humans will undoubtedly try to give them?
>>40440105Underrated postAlso, this might make tyranids MORE horrifying.
>>40440886they'll turn the aids into some sort of sphincter powered AIDS rifleas for the buttfucking
>any other answer than fucked like a loli on ultra aphrodisiac tentacle islandSeriously, anon. Get it together.
>>40440105This right here is amazing.
>>40440803I wonder how they'll work if they don't have Warp & all. We don't exactly have Psykers.>>40440816We don't have any status quos being (nearly) indefinitely preserved & we aren't as "there is only war" as the 40k-verse is treated.
>>40441016True. C'tan it is then!
>>40439794'nids face when
>>40441056The Nids have that reaction or the Africans?
>>40440105Turns out all of 40k is at a 1:1 scale with there figures
>>40441122That can't be right, they'd never fit in the vehicles they're supposed to fit in.
>>40440105Funny thing is Tyranids on a 1:1 model scale would still fuck us over in the same time frame, not to mention adapt to the proper sizes after a few breeding cycles.
>Die Antwoord wiped out instantlyNet gain for humanity.
>>40440886>How do they handle aids from consumed biomass? General disease immunity?Rule of thumb with the nids - any disease you try to infect them with will end up with you getting a roided out super-strain of that disease getting shot back at you.
>>40441183I actually wonder if they would. 1:1 would insects and shit kill them?
>>40441225They're bioengineered killing machines with diamond claws and electrified acid crystal guns that break the sound barrier.
>>40441212So do the nids shoot super-leprosy at people?Super syphilis?Super-diarrhea?
>>40441312There are electrified fish, a fucking shrimp that breaks the sound barrier by punching, a bug that shoots boiling acid out it's ass, all kinds of crazy shit on Earth.
>>40441343More like super-anthrax mixed with mega-ebola
>>40441258Good God Emperor it'd be a bloodbath.
>>40441393And the Tyranids will have all of that soon enough.
>>40441393Yeah, and Tyranids have all the weird awesome shit found in nature just like that, from every planet that had life in an untold number of galaxies, combined genetically in the most efficient ways possible with all the unnecessary evolutionary dead ends stripped out, and then they're dosed full of alien crack and unleashed with their survival instincts suppressed so that they kill things non-stop with no thought to their own safety until they die of exhaustion.Do not fuck with Tyranids.
>>40441466>in an untold number of galaxies>untoldIt's just a dozen galaxies.
>>40442343It's at least a dozen, the numbers never really been confirmed.More importantly, JUST a dozen entire fucking galaxies is a big goddamn deal when none of the Factions in 40k have ever been able to completely conquer just this single one.
>>40442343>dozen galaxiesSo, like, 1,200,000,000,000 stars systems or something?
>>40440560we have no way to divert asteroids.
>>40442371It's confirmed in the 5th ED codex.They Tyranids left behind them the husks of a dozen galaxies.
>>40439794WELL if we have to accept that 40k nids are real, that means we are living in the 40k universe. And that means the emperor is alive, here somewhere, and just as psychic as he is in the future. And since the hive mind reels away from just tigerious, the emperor could burn this splinter group to the core, and completely seperate them from the hive mind. Without inteligence, we could EASILY kill them. They are mindless beasts at that point.
>>40443390I mean the 5th ED rulebook.
>>40443373How much thrust would be required to move an asteroid out of orbit?
>>40443451Depends on distance, really. Distance from a major gravitational body; along with it's own inherent speed. Outer objects with a few pushes can work. Inner objects blazing to earth? Gonna need a few NERVAs with days of remass and fuel to move it.
>>40440011We fucking lose.Modern military tactics are not designed to withstand anything even remotely like tyranids, and modern military hardware is both woefully inadequate and unsuited to fighting such a foe. We don't even stand a fucking chance. Give it 72 hours, Africa is taken. A week, most of the greater subcontinent. A month, probably the world. The ONLY way that we would be able to even INCONVENIENCE them is if we nuked everything into oblivion, including ourselves, out of spite.Tyranids land on Earth in 2015, we're done. Fucked. It's over before it begins. Not a chance in hell. We're screwed to the point that the ideal response is to destroy ourselves faster than they can destroy us.
>>40439794Nuke every square inch of the landing site... then we have a chance if we can deal with the radiations.
>>40443569Except Tyranids don't have a traditional landing site. They tend to raining their spores all over the planet at the same time.
>>40443491Honestly, given how shitty Imperial tech is and it still does a pretty good job of dealing with nids, I don't think we're that bad off.I mean shit, Land Raiders are WW2 level technology.
>>40443491You're underestimating our forces. If we threw everything at South Africa, we could probably contain the initial landing forces and maybe even claim victory for a time. It'll be bloody but we'll hold for a bit. The problem though is that none of it matters. We have nothing capable of removing the Tyranids once they get into the water. They'll spread unchecked throughout the oceans, attack everything near a coast, and then release poison spores into the atmosphere that will kill everything. The planet's fucked the moment they land.
>>40443655>Land Raiders are WW2 level technologyJust because they look like tanks of that era does not mean they are of that tech level
>>40443655>Land Raiders are WW2 level technologyWat.
>>40442453Your numbers are a little low there, anon. The average estimate of stars per galaxy is between 100B and 400B, and while a few nearby galaxies are relatively small, most of the ones we can see are the same size or larger than ours, and we're in the 200B estimate range.So probably closer to double or triple your guess. Which is a fucking lot, speaking candidly.
Our current military hardware is superior to most of the weapons in 40k anyway. Send in the A-10's. Also a lot of the armour on current tanks is thicker than 40k.
>>40443780Our science is still working, plus you can bet like hell that all scientists would be on the tyrannid menace asap and work together. I always figured that on reason the imperium looses is that scientific shit is so backwards in 40k and nobody works with each other (I'm looking at you, Admech).
>>40443780Hahaha no just no anystats tht forgeworld and GW push to state the level of armour on a tank, the firing rate and velocity of rounds fired from a gun just ignore. Both companies pulled those numbers out of their arses without doing research into modern fire arms.
>>40443713>>40443717The m1 abrams is superior to the land raider in pretty much every way
>>40443713>>40443717Pretty sure someone did a fluff comparison and they have worse armor and are far slower than modern day tanks.
>>40443828The high profile designs of imperium vehicles is totally ridiculous regardless of whether their stats are higher in your own personal headcanon
>>40443773the only explanation for the tyrannids not having a perfect biological solution to everything by this point is that life is incredibly rare and even in that number of star systems most have been hollow
>muh land raider armor>muh abramswave serpent armor is like a couple centimeters thick but it doesnt make it paper
>>40443834this makes some part of my heart desperately want to see a lovingly detailed modern-day army out on a table vs 40k, played with the tech designs dead straight
>>40443834Abrams armour: 450mmLand raider: 95mmAbrams top speed: 72km/hLand raider: 55km/hAbrams main gun range: 4km @ 1750m/sLascannon range: less than 100m lol
>>40443898So much yes.
>>40443833>>40443834>>40443852>paying attention to 40K numbersThe escape velocity from Earth (or an Earthlike planet) is approximately 40,300 kilometers per hour. According to 40K numbers, the top speed of the thunderhawk is 2,000 kph. In other words according to 40K numbers the Space Marines' principle orbital craft can't even achieve 1/10th the velocity needed to escape the gravity of Holy Terra.40K numbers are absolute balls and anyone who pays even the slightest attention to them is even more retarded than the people who made them up.
All of you people are forgetting that you don't fight Tyranids when you fight Tyranids. You fight the Hive Mind.
>>40443925oh wow i knew they were bad with numbers but i did not realize they were that bad
>>40443925And that's why 40k versus reality discussions are retarded as fuck.Because clearly we'd fucking destroy anything 40k brings to the table.
>>40443925Land raiders have weaker armor than an M1 Abrams.
>>40444052Except anything Chaos and the Necrons bring to the table.
>>40444076I dunno, we still have the catholic church and other religious zealots, maybe they could go back to being useful purging demons.
>>40444076Chaos is Imperium but worse, so whatever. Mind shattering truths aren't exactly a thing in our world, and most of the powers of daemons are generally reliant on mind shattering truths, so we just cream them.Necrons have shit so advanced that traditional Imperium weapons can bring it down. I think we're good.
>>40444052That wasn't really the point of the post so much as 'The numbers are clearly not worth paying attention to, as they clearly can't represent what the things actually do.'After all, Thunderhawks DO leave atmosphere but by the numbers they can't. So the numbers are clearly stupid.
>>40444094And since the numbers are so stupid, clearly so is 40k, and thus, we'd cream them.
>>40443808It's backwards because someone burnt all the books. Of the few paragraphs that survived, most of the sentences were altered into instructions for creating evil robots. Then half of the paragraph keepers went crazy, burnt everything, and changed the few remaining sentences into instructions for summoning demons. They're just left with a few scattered words on how to do anything, and if they get them wrong, they're likely to cause everything they rely on for survival to shut down.
>>40444092Does the Pope have anything on how to kill Bloodthirsters.
>>40444119Shooting them with weapons that don't suck.I mean, think about it, Lasguns are powered by Solar energy. Do you understand how weak that would make the lasers? And that's as strong as the traditional human in 40k.Like, have you ever heard Superman's world of cardboard speech? That would be a modern day human in 40k.He'd rip a Bloodthristers head off trying to tell it to leave him alone.
>>40444119Could exorcism be like simply sending demons back to the warp?
>>40444140Yeah but they come back. And they have friends on the other side.>>40444147Maybe.
>>40444155It takes them thousands of years.
>>40444171I thought it was 100. But it doesn't matter. They can plot and wait. They do that all the time.
>>40444184And then they'd emerge and just get their shit shoved in again.
>>40443780>A10 That shit is only useful for blowing up technicals with it's missiles and hyping up teens with the BRRRT>>40443834>>40443833No it isn't. Because it's space tanks using space armor firing space rounds.
>>40444200True. It does depend on if they're bringing friends or not though.
>>40444155>And they have friends on the other side.We weren't ready, we weren't ready at all.
>>40444216Yeah. Heck there's a formation for 8 Bloodthirsters including Ang'rath out.
>>40444140Lasguns can penetrate through several inches of rockrete. Not a single service rifle we have can do that. Or be that reliable, cheap and easy to use.
>>40444209> lascannon> roundsThe A10 would be extremely useful vs tyranids
>>40444252You are correct. And given their power source, the only thing to assume is that rockrete is really shitty as well.In fact, the 40k's numbers make perfect sense if you assume that everything, gravity, materials, and so on is all just an nth degree worse than our reality.
>>40444263>>40444269It's canon that every technology the Imperium has is more advanced than ours, with some that we can't even begin to imagine.
>>40444471Sure, but can we really imagine what we're talking about already?I mean, it's already pretty hard imaging the idea of a weapon powered by the sun having enough power to give someone more than bad sunburn, much less punching through solid material. Think of what else they have that sucked so amazingly bad we can't even conceive of it even working at all. It's not really something we can imagine.
>>40444471Mate the samsung I'm using to post this has more computing power than 99% of Imperium technology
Hope the Necrons on Mars wake up so we can be stripped atom by atom rather than eaten to death.
>>40444493Most of the Imperium's technology has AI crammed into it.
We are honestly fucked. We need to contain those sons of bitches and purge them hard. Better yet, make a special organization for dealing with them. Give them corpses to experiment with, money to make damn good weapons, and people to put them to high hell.And that's how XCOM became the scourge of the galaxy
>>40444531And yet still uses ms-dos style interface
>Others will deliver zoomorphic symbiotes and parasites, which target and mutate the planet's flora at a rapid rate. Within hours verdant forests are replaced with highly-aggressive alien vegetation, including Capillary Towers, which begins the process of transforming the planet's atmosphere into a hothouse, turning the sky a sickly red and raising temperatures at an accelerating rate. Other spores are nothing more than giant cyst-bombs, filled with viral and poisonous organisms which burst over population centers, killing millions of people in the opening hours of the attack. Forget about just nuking the landing site and hope in vain that you've got enough firepower to crack the ship, you're going to have to spare at least some of those nukes to preemptively purge shit like rainforests.
>>40440105But there are aren't any hive ship models in 40k, so they'd have to be BFG scale to have one of those.
>>40439870The Tyranids paddled up shit creek if they land in South Africa, bru.
>>40444492>>40444493But it's not like that. There is no reason to claim that everything in 40k is utter shit compared to us. By the same logic I could claim that everything they own is a bazzilion times better, because the Imperium doesn't use the same way to measure stuff. So while the Land Raider has 95 Imperial mm armor, it's actually 120 km in our measurements.
>>40440105Time to get out pic related.
>>40444102>40k is stupid>So we'd win!>Azathoth is stupid>So we'd kick his teeth in!>Worlds strongest man? No college degree?>He's stupid, so I can beat him in a fight.If we're going by your logic, then you'd pretty much always lose anyway.
>>40439794Suid Afrikaners sal daai Tyranids opvok. Moenie met ons mors nie!Shit, my Afrikaans is rusty.
>>40441225Most of what makes them dangerous is in the hiveship. Destroy that and they're just bugs.
>>40443867They have many solutions, but stick to the cheapest ones until they need the more expensive ones.
>>40443901While the top speed is an adequate comparison, you're first off completely ignoring the fact that the armor of the Land Raider is made out of an alloy that we can't even make- the material is far, far stronger and thus less of it is needed.I assume you're getting the main gun range from the tabletop rules, which are abstracted to the point of nonsense. There are fluff statistics for the Lascannon that gives it significant range figures.Additionally, the fact that the main weapon is a Lascannon is another point in favor of the Land Raider's DEFENSE: The typical way one tank destroys another is firing a shell into their ammo storage, igniting the unspent rounds and blowing the tank to all hell. Replacing volatile ammo with a less-volatile (and, additionally lighterweight and smaller) battery pack makes it harder to destroy.Even furthermore, the Land Raider isn't even a primary-purpose Main Battle Tank: It's an armored transport vehicle.
>>40440105>due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, the entire hive fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog
>>40443925That's not how escape velocity works.
>>40445215Now THERE'S An idea.Okay, reformatting OP's question: What happens if a real, honest-to-goodness Tyranid Hive Ship (Just the one! Not a whole fleet or anything) arrives and lands in south Africa- but it and the tyranids that pour out are to-scale with the 40k tabletop game?
Tyranids are small time.
>>40444094Or, the obvious answer, either the measurements or physics of 40k differ from our own.
>>40439794Joke on them we have bugspray
>>40439961no it aint
>>40445392It's still Africa we're talking about here.If Distric 9 is an even remotely accurate example of those people, I don't have faith in them to do virtually anything right.
>>40443901because armour is always made of the same stuff. The figures we have from the fluff are physical thickness measurements not RHAe numbers, considering that they're made of fictional super materials comparing them to our armour on that basis alone is stupid. Also lascannon has a 2km range in the RPGs, at least the man portable version.
>>40444795unfortunately for us we have no way of doing so.
>>40445392Is the hive ship full size or also to scale?
>>40444578nevermind the rainforests, you can bet the tyranids are going to get into the oceans, and there's no way we can get them there. Even if we did manage to beat them on land they'd just keep breeding deep in the ocean until they have the numbers to just launch a simultaneous attack across the length of every coastline of every continent.
>>40440560Please play at least a little Kerbal Space Program before you run your mouth off about shit like "diverting asteroids." You would need a specialist spacecraft to do it, and for any decent-sized asteroid, you're talking a very large specialist spacecraft, because you need to get out there with a huge amount of fuel, latch on, and then spend quite a bit of delta-V arranging an Earth intercept.There's things you can do like arranging a Mars (or potentially Jupiter) slingshot, but you're still talking several kilometers/second of delta-V after the asteroid rendezvous; for decelerating an asteroid from a 275 million kilometer circular orbit to an Earth-crossing orbit, you're talking 3434 m/s worth of Hohmann transfer. Even if you catch Mars at its semi-major axis for a perfect slingshot, that's still 1053 m/s.>>40443925There's a good chance that's 2000 kph in Earth-like atmosphere. The reason it's a top speed is because at that point, the craft's thrust is equal to atmospheric resistance.Once you start climbing out of atmosphere, top speed becomes meaningless, and the only important thing is delta-V. If it weren't for that pesky little "needs atmosphere to run its engines" bit, basically every jet aircraft in the world could easily escape Earth, because they've got more than enough delta-V for it.
>>40446403They can be.Even one of the smaller ships landing on earth would fuck us. Even a single spore.Tyranids are beyond bad news bears. If any tyrannoforming happens we are up the death world without a lasrifle.
A single patch of genestealers would probably be enough to topple our planet, seeing the horrible state of counter-intel that we all have these days
>>40440568We have the resources and all the martian tech to turn you into a Tier One De-prawner.
>>40446719I ground through the math. To get a 100 kiloton-yield asteroid impact, you need a 5,900-ton asteroid.Just for the deceleration for a Mars slingshot from 275 million km circular orbit, assuming 330 (1/s) specific impulse (typical for storable hypergolic propellants) you need 38% of the asteroid's mass in fuel; that is 2,242 tons of rocket fuel. For comparison, the entire Saturn V rocket was about 2970 tons, of which the 2876 tons of the first two stages (plus a substantial fraction of the third stage) never saw orbit.In order to get all that rocket fuel out to the asteroid, you are probably talking on the order of 1% payload fraction (a bit less than Saturn V payload fraction to trans-lunar insertion).This means you are essentially talking a 224,200 ton rocket, massing more than two Nimitz-class supercarriers, in order to get one puny 100-kiloton explosion.I'm thinking we just use a nuke. Or, for that matter, 100,000 tons of TNT.
>>40443925I get the weirdest feeling that over half of WH40K's universe would be arrested for breaking the laws of physics upon arrival. I wonder how effective would certain races be if they were forced to obey real life physics, biology &/or no psykers.
>>40446477>implying the tinynids won't be exploited to extinction for juju magic and chinese medicine.
>>40447053I heard that Locusts & other insects are delicacies in some places. Fried Tyranids anyone?
>>40447111Weaver ants taste like cheetos.
>>40447053>>40447111>>40447130Expanding on this...If you only fed the nids plants and maybe tiny domesticated animals...would they gradually evolve to be photosynthetic and tamer? Could we selectively feed-breed tiny nids and use them as a food source...solving world hunger?
>>40447164So pretty much we use selective breeding to turn Tyranids into a non-violent food source. I wonder what the Hive Mind, Chaos Gods & the Imperium think of that.
>>40441393Sorry to be that guy but the bombardier beetle shoots out boiling Hydrogen Peroxide (Equally as nasty though), It's a horrible oxidising agent and will eat away at you nonetheless.
>>40443780Nope it isn't, not even close.There's that nice cap from a rulebook that outright states, that our tech is as advanced as stone circles compared to 40k stuff.
>>40439794Days, we would have days
>>40447038yeah cause the 40k universe was already won by the orks the races that actively breaks those laws
So are all the Tyranid Fleets interlinked? I wonder if the big Tyranid Fleet coming is immune to as many things as the Tyranids we're dealing with.>>40447372Depending on how you look at things, the Orks have won. They love war & conflict & there's no shortage of that in 40K.
>>40447393Orks didn't win shit. They think only orks are a proper enough fight. So until there are only Orks remaining, Orks haven't won anything.
>>40447445I hear that they think well of the Space Marines in a fight. Heck, the Orks may be the least racist in the sense that they only care if they give a good fight.
>>40443925>>40444017Refer to>>40445367 and >>40446719
>>40443834That's been retconned.
>>40447164Nids already posses photosynthetic capabilities.How the fuck do you think the hive ships power themselves?
the hivemind takes note of the unusually stubborn feral world it just ate and programs the actual modern military tactics it used to inflict such heavy casualties into its strains.Then that hive fleet handily crushes the galaxy.
>>40439794This is the scale of a Hiveship for anyone wondering.
>>40447789Oh. So that's how one ate a moon whole.Goddamn nids.
>>40447789>>40447864I wonder how many points that would be on tabletop...... in the millions?
>>40447985it kinda just eats the tabletop instead>tfw no jonah and the whale campaign but it's a regiment of guard caught inside a hive ship
>>40448180> a regiment of guard caught inside a hive shipHoly shit why is this not a thing yet? Or like say, a small insurgency force of Space Marines and a regiment are swallowed whole and have to find their librarian/sanctioned psyker to lead them out? THE POSSIBILITIES
>>40443491Did the Tyranids evolve a propaganda ministry?
>>40448370Hahaha fuck, did you draw that? Bretty good anon
>>40448370>evolve a propaganda ministryCanonically, yes, as a matter of fact.They're called genestealer cults.
>>40444642I wake up, and this is your response? Really?This is like the shittiest answer I have ever seen. "Their numbers aren't our numbers guys, so clearly we can't use them."Horseshit.
>>40443898I want to see bets now.The leagues are:>CSM/Legions of the damned vs Russia>Imperial Guard vs China>SPESS MEHREENS vs Murrica>Best of the Emperium of Man vs The best of our world
>>40447187>Emps>Why didn't we think of that...>Our Patron Slanesh>Yummie, nid steaks>Nurgle>I have to come up with some kind of salmonella...>Khorne>BLOODY STEAKS!>Tzentch>Not just quiet exactly as planned.>Hive Mind>...fuck...
>>40447187You know Tyranids aren't FORCED to use the genestock of what they devour, yea?Never has that ever happened.
>>40452122Until Robin "I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about" Cruddace wrote the abortion of a 5e Codex that claimed Tyranids were afraid to reabsorb Ymgarl Stealers because something about hurr durr genetic instability.
>>40452122But what if they kept consuming plants and figured out that photosynthesis is a way better way of acquiring food than devouring planets?
>>40452931Holy shit how many times does this have to be explained to people.THEY DO USE PHOTOSYNTHESIS TO ACQUIRE FOOD. THEY DON'T DEVOUR PLANETS FOR FOOD.
>>40452931>>40453242Jfc the newfags never learn.Does anyone have the screencap about how tyranids work that shut up the "muh thermodynamics" fags?
>>40443925>Escape Velocity>Aplying to something with constant thrust
>>40447111>>40447164Great idea, guys, lets eat the creatures with blood swimming with microbes so deadly they overpower Space Marines augmented poison-resistant immune systems, and whose respiratory system exhudes spores that root in your lungs and turn them to black liquid.What part of "engineered bio-weapons" do people not understand about Tyranids? They're not fucking edible, everything about them is designed to kill you even if they die in the process.
>>40448242Probably because a regiment of Guard wouldn't last two fucking minutes inside a Hive Ship, it's a toxic, pitch-black, acid-filled deadly environment that can only be "safely" navigated by Space Marines in sealed power armour before you even account for the over 9000000000 Tyranids popping out of sphincters from every direction to tear you apart.
>>40448242It is already a thing.
Considering nids (sometimes) can laugh off an Exterminatus nukes are useless. Then there's the fact the Hive Mind remembers and might send a whole fleet if you somehow route the ship. Not to mention the terraforming and that nids stick around for a really long time if the fleet is beaten.
>>40454362Bottom line we're fucked
>>40441016Simple, without the warp there is no hivemind so they wander around confused. Due to how unrealistic they are the crash would kill us, then the nids would die shortly after.
>>40454431Ahem, Nids don't use the warp
>>40440011Gaunts in artwork are depicted as being quite large compared to space marines, they would be the equivalent of cow sized, they can take multiple las rifle shots (which punch holes in concrete) 1 Hive ship can contain several million Tyranids, Carnifexes have survived exterminates, I think the majority could tank nukes, no matter what happens, 1 hive ship within a couple of months will have drained earth and swelled their ranks and left
>>40440560>it might take a whileIf they start consuming biomass straight away in Africa and aggressively, we will hold earth for 3 months tops
>>40454633Mad I'm right?
>>40444093necron weapons are really fucking estoric tho, and unlike imperial weapons, they kinda make sense
Okay, assuming we take the fluff as standard and that, for some reason, the Nids choose to land in one spot rather than dropping their shit from orbit like normal, we may stand a small chance if we nuke their ship with a couple of Tsar Bomba level explosives. Our only real chance is overwhelming force to the point where we manage to kill the Norn Queen within the Hive Ship, which would break contact with the Hive Mind and make all the little creatures into little more than animals.That's the best case scenario and even then we're likely to see a fuck ton of Tyranid organisms spreading across Africa and the oceans, turning Earth into a death world. On the plus side, we'd likely see a world government form up in response to the invasion. On the negative, it'd probably be a Cadian style one.
Do you heretics even venerate the Emperor?If Tyranids through some even weirder than usual warp fuckery, the shadow of the warp and tzeentch just as planned fuckery land some Tyranid ship near Terra 2015.The Emperor would rise up, not as the Emperor we know in 40K, but he would still rise to swat down the bugs and save a young Holy Terra. Think X-com style commander or just showing up in Africa and *POP*, every Nid just exploded. EARTH SAVED.
>>40454247What hast thou said, moor?
>>40447164Tyranids can intelligently direct their evolution. For them its a system akin too our engineering. We couldn't make them evolve in a direction we wanted.
>>40454557>Gaunts in artwork are depicted as being quite large compared to space marinesBullshit, gaunts are dog-sized. Even Imperial Guardsman describe them as "the little ones". They're small specifically so they can squeeze and worm their way through tight spaces and shit, pop out of vents and scramble under collapsed ruins to hide like rats.If gaunts were larger than Space Marines their stats would be fucking absurd, considering they're even more heavily genetically modified.
>>40449513It's as much horseshit as your argument. As many have pointed out, 40k tech is better than we currently have. Period.
>>40454431Who says there's no Warp?
>>40454916>The Emperor would rise up, not as the Emperor we know in 40K, but he would still rise to swat down the bugs and save a young Holy Terra. Think X-com style commander or just showing up in Africa and *POP*, every Nid just exploded. EARTH SAVED.The Emperor was not that powerful, or he wouldn't have needed Legions of hundreds of thousands of Space Marines just to fight Orks.Tyranids are deadlier than Orks.
>>40449513>the land-raider only has 10mm conventional steel armor>but it can drive along the ocean floor and survive nuclear explosionsgee willikers maybe the numbers don't actually mean anything
>>40455296Height wise no, but they are longer than a space marine is tall, gaunts are little compared to other tyranids but are still quite large by modern animal standardsHeck genestealers are almost 50 stone, almost 700lbs of chitin blades and muscle
>>40455453No they are not, they're 6 feet long from snout to tail and no more than 4 feet tall. Space Marines are generally considered to be 7+ feet tall.Genestealers are the size of a human.
>>40455546>Genestealers are the size of a human>Weigh as much as a horse>Depicted as being as tall as space marinesok
What version of South Africa are we talking about, anon?
>>40455424He might not have wanted to expend the energy. I mean the dude is powerful enough that the fucking Chaos gods fear him.As powerful as the Emps is, he can't be everywhere at once. If the Hive ship lands in one spot, the emps could use some warp-craft to destroy it.
>>40455640>Pulling numbers out of your ass from an already inconsistent setting with multiple writers that don't fact check with each otherAll the art of Genestealers alongside Genestealer cultists depicts them as the same size. Genestealer cultists are the same size as humans because they blend in with society.
>>40455685The Shadow would fuck the Emperor in the mouth. He got beaten in one on one combat, he's not an invincible omnipotent warp god.
>>40455764Numbers out my ass? Genestealers average weight is 0.3 tonnes, which is about 47 stone or 660lbs, this is about the average weight of a horse
>>40455819According to what source?You'll notice the genestealer here is the same height as the human shooting him in the head.
>>40455796He has recently harmed the Hive Mind.
>>40455764>All the art of Genestealers alongside Genestealer cultists depicts them as the same sizenot reallyalso first and second generation hybrids are not even remotely humanoid
>>40455957>According to what source?>he says, posting fanart
>>40456030That's from Battle for Macragge, it's not fanart.But here, the fucking cover of space hulk, if you need further proof. Notice how much smaller they are?
>>40456070Or here, the same size as guardsmen.
>>40456164those are space marine scouts>>40456070>That's from Battle for Macragge, it's not fanart.it's fanart OF battle for macragge, but not from the box itselfhey why not show the actual official genestealer cult art? Where the purestrains and early generations tower over the late-gen hybrids?
>>40456164Hormagaunt, noticeably smaller than the guardsman shooting it in the head. Not fucking cow sized.
>>40456070>>40456164Aren't Broodlords the size of Hive Tyrants?
>>40456253Those are Patriarchs, which are explicitly far larger than regular 'stealers. Regular genestealers don't have a human face like that.
>>40456275Definitely not or they would have Monstrous Creature stats. They count as two models for transport capacity, Tyrants count as 20.
>>40455914The we shall fight to the last kaffir!
>>40456299>Those are Patriarchsthere is only ever one patriarch, those are purestrainsGenestealers are huge, they're usually just super crouched over.
>>40444961Additionally, the fact that the main weapon is a Lascannon is another point in favor of the Land Raider's DEFENSE: The typical way one tank destroys another is firing a shell into their ammo storage, igniting the unspent rounds and blowing the tank to all hell. Replacing volatile ammo with a less-volatile (and, additionally lighterweight and smaller) battery pack makes it harder to destroy.Ha ha noTanks are knocket out either by destroying the engine, turret or weapons, but mostly because the crew is fucking shredded like bad diarrhea after a night of some seriously evil curry from a hull penetration as superheated gas and metal shred them to bits.Ammo cookoffs only real advantage is making the tank unsalvageable, and good propaganda movies.
>>40439794Yes, yes, good xenos. Just try to incorporate Earth into your alium dominion.
>>40443655>I mean shit, Land Raiders are WW2 level technology.Yeah. WWII technology totally could drive through the bottom of the ocean, as land raiders have been described to do.
>>40456946>he doesn't remember how the shermans made it to the war
>>40444492Yeah because capacitors and transformers are not a thing, transformation of energy is unrealistic; and not possible... Do you even science? Look at modern solar power the energy captured isn't used at the same w or v as the power used. How are people like you so dumb?
Guys we have a pretty good way to assess and compare the fluff vs current real life technology. Autoguns. Autoguns are rifles. Autoguns do about the same damage that las guns do to a gaunt. we have weapons that meet or exceed the requirements of damage for an auto-cannon (i'm looking at 35mm cannons on say a bradley for example) and we can reasonably say that an M1A1 abrams tank firing its main cannon is probably at least S8. If we take all this together we can comfortably stat out the U.S. military's weapons as roughly equitable to weaker versions of imperial tech. Armor is where we are actually most shitty. An imperial guardsman's flak armor could take a 40mm grenade to the chest and he might survive it. He could get hit with a .50 cal and he might survive it. Gaunts have similar armor. The U.S. military does not. We're like a badly equipped PDF. Our soldiers are guardsman stats (at best) with Sv - We know from the fluff how badly equipped PDF deal with tyranid invasions. THEY DON'T
>>40457084>Autoguns are riflesautoguns are rifles+1stub guns are equivalent to what we have now
>>40439794I'd be less worried about the tyranids, and be more worried about the alien equivalent of PETA actively protecting them
>>40441201My melanin-enriched gentlefellow.
>>40439794They would be torn apart by modern militaries who aren't using barely-understood farming equipment for tanks. Then we reverse-engineer that shit and take our bioweapons to the star.
>>40457592Have you seen >>40447789 and there's a little something called the Hive Mind who might want to talk about that.
>>40443925What? No, escape velocity doesn't work that way.
>>40457592whether or not we survive depends entirely on how quickly those modern militaries use their nuclear arsenals>Then we reverse-engineerthat's not how engineering works
>>40458104>that's not how engineering worksBut anon, the intelligentsia can do anything we want really easily. Just because us common folk know fuck all about it doesn't mean it's THAT hard :^)
>>40458243oh right, pardon me :^)
>>40457352By the time the general public even learned what was going on there would already be human casualties in the millions. PETA would be too busy shitting themselves to say a word.>>40457592Space Marines are far, far beyond the capabilities of our modern militaries, and have gotten their shit pushed in by Tyranids enough times to safely say we don't stand a chance.
>>40450305Given that 40K is kind of a decaying setting with its best days behind it, that would make a twisted kind of sense.
If humanity was able to know right off the bat the extent of the tyranid threat was, we MIGHT have a chance. Might. It would require an immediate carpet nuking of the entire area. Air burst, then surface, then sub surface, then air burst again of the crash site and the surrounding 100 miles. It would be catastrophic for the environment, millions would die from the radioactive fallout spreading into the upper atmosphere and following the air currents to spread around the world. A complete sweep of the area, incineration of any biological material and a lot of prayers that some microscopic bit of it didn't manage to escape to infect anywhere else.If thats not the case, we are boned. But of course, you want how boned we are.Frankly, any conventional war against them is useless, for a number of reasons. Especially if they apread to a biologically rich area like the Congo jungle or, god forbid, the Amazon. If we were to wage a conventional war, it would only be a stalling tactic in order to get humanity to space. How would we do that? We would have to turn the entire world's economy towards it. Total war footing. Mass conscription, every industry would be turned to war and building up our lift capacity to reach space. As it is right now, there is simply no way to get enough people into space to build a sustainable population for the continuation of the species, let alone lift the amount of materials necessary to build a self sufficient colony in space or colonize another planet, even if there was a candidate for such a place in our solar system. Beyond our solar system would require a generational ark that for all intents and purposes is just a self sufficient space station that can move.Our main goal as a species would be to build up our lift capacity. Space elevators require materials we just dont have and would take a decade at minimum to construct, vulnerable to tyranid attack the entire time. More rockets is just inefficient. Cont.
>>40459368More rockets would just be inefficient and still subject to weather. A launch loop, on the other hand, can be constructed using current day technology and costs 50 billion dollars. The best one possible would be able to launch 5 metric tons into low earth, high earth, lunar orbit and beyond if needed. And it can launch 80 times an hour, at a comfortable 3g accacceleration so if you can survive a low intensity roller coaster, it can survive launch. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loopThis is probably our best option, but would probably still require several years to build plus not to mention design and construction of a self sufficient colony in space. But, lets say our industry is turned completely to construction of both of these things and the components for the colony are built at the same time as the launch loop. That way, as soon as its ready, we begin launching.There are still problems. One, buying the time to do this. The death toll would be astronomical. Every one would need tp pitch in and hard choices would need to be made. Movement of whole populations to accommodate the war effort and construction. The protection of the vital infrastructure necessary. Retooling our industries. Feeding everyone as farmland is lost. Rationing for all of humanity would be necessary, nothing superfluous would be allowed.
>>40459712There is no way we would last several years against the Tyranids and have the manpower to both hold out in combat and undertake a massive construction project of that nature at the same time. It's hard to say if we would make it several weeks.
>>40459712Now the social aspect. The social order as we know it would be done away with. Deciding who gets to be first would be crucial. The only way I could see it working is to gather up everyone vital to the maintenance of the colony and deciding who would go based on lottery. Most people would not be able to leave earth and would be doomed to die. This alone would probably spark mass panic. Keeping everything orderly would be as much of an effort as the war and construction. I'm frankly not sure how it could be done, knowing human nature. There would have to be spots and promises of new colonies to get everyone away or even outright lies. Perhaps sending even temporary shelters to house non essential people, still drawn by lottery to make the appearance of saving everyone. All of this would still hinge on keeping the tyranids at bay while this is done. It would take probably 5 years before we had a meaningful chance at survival, if we began immediately as the tyranids landed. But as its only one ship, not a whole hive fleet, it's possible. But they would win in the end. If they were smart, and they are, they would go straight for the ocean and spread through it. 2/3rds of the Earth is water and if they evolved organisms capable of surving underwater and able to launch attacks from the sea along any coastline, we'd be screwed. Most of the earth's bio mass is in the oceans and we simply have no way of waging a large scale war against a biological foe underwater. Submarines would be nearly useless and nukes just don't work the same way in water as they do in the atmosphere. Fighting them with men in scuba suits and harpoon guns or even underwater firearms would be similarly useless. We would only be able to respond to their amphibious assaults with no way to attack them back, putting us completely on the defensive with no real way to guard the entire coastline of the earth. They would be able to move freely and strike at will. Cont
>>40459869Its possible only if we mobilized the entire world for it. All 7 billion people and the entire world's manufacturing base and military working together.Like I said in the beginning, we're boned. Completely. But this would be our only real chance, albeit with maybe less than 1% chance of success. But everyone's gotta have hope right?>>40459881So in conclusion, we're boned. It would be a holding action across the entire world, hoping to buy enough time to accomplish our numerous herculean tasks. As noted above, it doesn't really have much of a chance, but we might be able to pull it off. Of course, what happens after would be anyone's guess. If our colony was launched to a neighboring system, the tyranids might not follow immediately. They might not discover our new home and if we continued the process of constantly running, we would become a functionally nomadic species, kind of like a biological von Neumann machine. It would take tens of thousands of years to reach the next star and who knows how humanity will develop on the ark, or if it will even be able to survive the journey. Countless generations living and dying on this ship, with only ancient records of our homeworld and the threat we fled. If the tyranids don't catch up mid flight and slaughter them anyway.There ya go. Absolute best case scenario where any failure along the way would be the immediate extinction of humanity.
>implying Tyranids can survive or out-adapt AIDSThe nids be ded as soon as they make contact. Guaranteed.
>>40460081>Its possible only if we mobilized the entire world for it. All 7 billion people and the entire world's manufacturing base and military working together.How long are 7 billion people going to last against the triple threat of toxic climate change, rampant alien disease and swarming, endlessly replenishing armies of fearless, relentless predators? We won't even have time to conscript most of our people, by the time the world military councils could mobilize relief to most residential zones they would have already collapsed in total anarchy or been overrun. We would only be able to grow food or get clean water in isolated and quarantined areas, probably underground, which would be vulnerable to detection and attack by the tunneling creatures. We wouldn't be able to produce new ammo or weapons with the world infrastructure collapsing, and we already most likely don't have enough bullets to kill them all even if our soldiers never missed a shot.
>>40452288Yes, but that's more of a "oh lawdy there really isn't even enough of these cunts lying around for me to go through the effort of dealing with this stupid mutator gene" on the behalf of the hive fleet.Into the trash, though.
>>40460298I know this. I was laying down the only possible way humanity would be able to survive. Like I said, its a massive long shot. You are literally just repeating what I've addressed and already acknowledged. I'm a huge tyranid fan, but its still one ship and while a single spore would spell doom for humanity, it wouldn't be with the same speed as a whole fleet. I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, I've stated it numerous times that humanity is fucked and this is literally the best possible scenario for us. So you done being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?
>>40460446I'm asking how you expect we would be able to last 5 years even in a best-case scanrio, <1% chance or no.
>>40460496You want me to retype everything just dor you? I'm on mobile man and typed that up while smoking a few cigarettes. I know I glossed over a few specifics, but I figured stating only broad strokes and people being smart enough to pick up on the implications of the difficulty of every single step would be enough, but I suppose not. Fine. Let me grab a drink and I'll break down the initial days barney style, just for you.
>>40460496We wouldn't. That's the point. He is saying that the only chance is if all humanity started working together in harmony with no thought of self-gain and everybody was willing to sacrifice themselves and bla bla bla. Basically, survival rests on humans becoming unrealistic fantasy creatures much like the Nids themselves.
>>40460845Pretty much, I thought that was clear. But now that I'm playing out probable responses in the initial days, I'm interested. Gonna get to a computer before typing it up so I can do it faster and reference the tyranid lore about infestation of a planet.
>>40460496http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/TyranidsI'm using the Stages of Planetary Consumption as a rough guideline.Day 01: ContactThe single ship makes planetfall, perhaps dropping mycetic spores all around the drop point. The ship is immediately noticed due to radar stations, surveillance satellites, or even just locals seeing it entering the atmosphere. The world is mostly unaware, satellites are retasked for a closer look, perhaps the South African military even sends units to investigate.Day 02: The infestation has begun to spread, the US military is aware, news networks begin reporting that a large UFO has landed. The president of the United States is briefed, a Carrier Group is re routed to south africa, a Marine Expeditionary Unit is also sent to stage off the coast, or even stage in a South African port. If the tyranids have run into any significant population centers, it might even be clear that these are not friendly visitors, thus putting the entire world's various militaries on high alert. Additional forces are tasked to the area, South Africa enters a state of emergency and begins asking for help. Skirmishes between the sparse South African military and police forces with the tyranids occur with a resounding defeat for human forces.Day 03: Closer surveillance of the landing site is undertaken with satellites, high altitude spy planes, drones, etc. It is still unclear what the nature of the alien threat is, but it's effects are clear. Nearby areas up to 20 kms away are being picked clean while packs of gaunts and larger organisms spread further, in search of human prey. Lictors and genestealers begin infiltration of medium to large population centers. The South African military is fully mobilized and they begin to move to the largest concentrations of Tyranids based on US intel. The POTUS authorizes military force, CAG and MEU that were already sent begin to assist the South African military. cont.
>>40453483Of course it's a great idea. All we need to do is get Games Workshop to retcon their poison & we'd cure world hunger.Regardless of how strong the character is, it could never defeat the writer.
>>40461543Day 03 cont: The UN holds an emergency session as footage of the destruction being spread by the Tyranids is now available. The US DoD provides all the intel they have gathered so far in a closed session to the world's leaders. The POTUS addresses the world, the US congress authorizes any action necessary against these invaders. An expeditionary force begins to be assembled, several more carriers are dispatched, all forces that are ready. The US Army is capable of airlifting a brigade with all their equipment in only 72 hours, Marines always have several Battalions on standby around the world to respond to threats within 48, less than that if they have time to move to the area first. Special forces are dispatched immediately to support the local forces.Day 04: Tyranid infestation has spread to roughly 100kms around the landing site. Air strikes are conducted against roving packs of Tyranid creatures, refugees are streaming from the area, ripe targets for lictors and genestealers to infiltrate and lead other packs to them. Safe corridors from the affected areas are established, patrols are set up but run in to fierce Tyranid forces and are mostly ineffectual. US forces begin arriving in significant numbers as the South African military fails to significantly check the Tyranid expansion. First US ground force contact probably occurs.
>>40460606>>40460943>>40461543>>40461789Hold up, how would this scenario change given the fact that thousands of fa/tg/uys, ca/tg/irls, and W40K nerds already have at the very least a working foundation on the skills, capabilities, limitations, strengths and weaknesses of the invading Tyranid force?
>>40461789Day 05: NATO also begins to mobilize, as does every major world military. No one is sure if this is the only ship to land, rumors run rampant, numerous false sightings are reported, mass panic begins to develop. World Leaders urge for calm and claim they have it under control while daily meetings are held about our preparedness.First major American operation begins, most likely a combination of securing safe passage for refugees and pushing the Tyranids back to give some breathing room for the South Africans. I could go into great detail about tactics, but its sufficient to say that no major gains are made and any that are made are tenuous and at major cost. The US military begins to realize the scale of the threat and more forces are mobilized. The failure of the operation is broadcast around the world, panic increases. The Pentagon proposes to the POTUS that a limited nuclear strike may be necessary.
>>40444284I don't know what you're implying there but a lasgun can pen about 6 inches of SOLID rockrete. 1 inch then air then 1 inch while losing significant velocity is nothing when you can shoot through a bunker and still kill the target on the other side.
>>40461983Day 06: Tyranid infestation is now 150 kms to 200 kms away from the landing site. As fresh US and NATO forces begin to land in South Africa, a new operation is drawn up with intel gained from the first one on the combat capabilities of the Tyranids. Tyranofication begins, intel shows that the ship is taking in material and turning out more Tyranids. A massive combined arms operation is planned with American forces as the spearhead into Tyranid occupied areas. Russia and China perhaps agree to cooperate with the US military on this day, but due to their limited projection of force capabilities, they are slow and inconsequential without major US assistance to move their forces.The 2nd major operation and the first offensive one is launched and they perform better than the previous one. The casualties are staggering, but they still manage to push the Tyranids back a bit. The Tyranids begin to adapt to US and NATO tactics and weapons.
>>40443491We can't stop wave tactics?Boyo, talk to the 1st/24th Regiment of Foot and then add a century and a half of weapons development. Second Rorke's Drift when?
>>40462144Day 07: The Tyranids assemble a massive force and begin to move towards the major bases and airfields that the human forces are using. They are spread out to minimize the effectiveness of Air strikes and artillery, only concentrating before the final assault on the prepared positions. Claymore mines, danger close artillery, entrenched heavy weapons, etc can only do so much to stem the tide. Tyranid organisms begin to contest the air superiority of Humanity as they now have significant numbers to weather the beyond the horizon weapons capabilities of modern fighters. They also begin to adapt to the quickness of modern fighters as well, developing new organisms to combat them.In the end, they overrun the front lines and those that weren't there immediately begin evacuation. In a short meeting between the major nuclear powers, they agree to launch a nuclear weapon, the first to be fired in anger since the end of WW2.
>>40462345Day 08: Evacuation of South Africa is underway, remaining forces begin a fighting withdrawal, hoping to buy time for the civilians. Think Saigon when the North Vietnamese were coming. It's utter chaos, the neighboring countries are struggling to deal with even the limited incursions from Tyranid forces into their borders. As much intel as possible about the disposition of Tyranid forces are gathered today from any and every source. It's decided that a bunker busting nuke will be deployed against the hive ship and several more air burst nukes will blanket the surrounding area, hoping to destroy the majority of the Tyranid forces and cut out the heart of them, allowing conventional forces to mop up the remaining creatures. Genestealers have infiltrated the refugees and several have made it outside of South Africa in the chaos.Day 09: It is decided that they can not wait any longer. The remaining military forces are evacuated, civilians abandoned to their fate. The nukes are launched, blanketing the area out to 100kms from the hive ship with nuclear hellfire.
>>40462776Reminder that Carnifex have been observed to survive virus and cyclonic bombardment.
>>40459881A thought here: If they go for the ocean, we can deny usauble biomass by dumping...well, everything. Clhorine, VX agent, bleach, whatever.It'd only really work at denying them use of aquatic biomass, though. And god help you if you fall in.
>>40461952Not much for the first week. After that, though? Someone in M16 or NSA is going to pick up on that.
>>40462289We can stop human wave attacks.Tyrannids are anything but. They have numbers, they don't have morale, and thanks to the way they reproduce every battle is a net win for them.
>>40463094We don't have enough of that shit in the world to cause a noticeable global impact when you dilute it in that much ocean water, and besides I'm sure the Tyranids have ways of filtering the chemicals out of the stuff they need.
>>40459712You forgot Orion drive. Build-able with 60's tech and already investigated by NASA (they even had a working scale model, using conventional explosives). We can build one in a year if we're in a hurry. After that, one every six months I reckon.
>>40463265Still insufficient for the amount of materials we need to launch. Maybe useful as a supplement.
>>40462836Never said it would be effective. It would kill off most of the lesser creatures, combined with an immediate conventional assault after it might be enough. A company of tanks firing APDS rounds at a carnifex might be enough to severally wound it. Helicopter gunships and A-10 strafing runs might also be sufficient.
>>40463456Severely* fucking phone.
>>40463393Three thousand tonnes of fully assembled spaceship is nothing to scoff at.Maybe you can use it to construct the space infrastructure you'd need to build the Ark. A big orbital construction Yard, mining bases for lunar water ice and aluminum, asteroid tugs for nickel, iron, and other rare metals, etc etc. Then use the launch loop for evacuation and components too delicate to be assemble in orbit.Incidentally, you'll want to site the Yard at Lunar Langrage Point 2. That'll put the Moon between you and Tyranid Earth, it gives you relatively easy access to the lunar surface, and any loose trash will tend to stay put.
>>404637499,600 metric tonnes of material launched in one day from the launch loop. And it can keep doing that, every day.
>>40463874....After five years of R&D and construction.They'd actually work well together. Orion drives for the initial infrastructure, then the launch loop for people, flora, fauna, and building materials for the Ark.
>>40463961Forgot to add: Do we even have five years?
>>40464002We have easily thousands of years worth of time & events crammed into a few years. Just look at how the WH40K universe was just about stuck in the 41th Millennium.
>>40463216Good point. Nevermind then.>>40464087I really hope you're not the anon I was arguing with.
>>40439961nah bro, double digit KMs for a larger hive ships
>>40464135I'm just making a joke about 40K's perpetual status quo. I'm not that anon.
>>40456299>Those are Patriarchs>patriarchS>SThere's only ever one, and he's x-box hueg compared to the others. Here. Terminators about 8 feet, right?
>>40456299>Regular genestealers don't have a human face like that>MFW he thinks all genestealers look like they are from ymgarl
>>40464409>YFW you realize even the ymgarl genestealers don't look like those lictor headed plastic models
>>40464002On Dalki-Prime, it took the Tyranids less than two months to poison the atmosphere. We'll have about 50 days to get the ship up if we're lucky.
We can hope for cutenids
>>40464941No, we can hope that Cruddance can drive off the Tyranids before the Nid players kill him first.
>>40444561You realise modern computer admin tools are heavily cmd prompt focused right? Powershell, Linux, etc When you know the commands you don't need gui
>>40464961Actually, we should kill off the Nid players first.
All this is relying on it actually landing instead of farting out spores and tyrannocytes while feeding via capillary tower.
>>40456824Zerg are like baby's first tyranid.
>>40445430that's a spicy meme my breda
>>40462144>Russia and China perhaps agree to cooperate with the US military on this day, but due to their limited projection of force capabilities, they are slow and inconsequential without major US assistance to move their forces.dude just fuck off with your bullshit western propaganda
So since that nids have eaten many many planets with humans on them, I assume it has quite a collection of human genetic material known to them. Hell given that they have done battle with various Space Marine chapters, and have I assume eaten atleast 1 of the fallen thus gaining their gene seed. Could the nids replicate humans? Space Marines? I don't know why they would given how inefficient we are compared to the standard nid forms. But could it be done? Use them to essentially skip a few generation in a Genestealer cult? Could build all sorts of nasty biological surprised into a Trojan horse human.Again, not that the Hive mind would want to.On the topic of Geneseed, that's sort of a direct genetic line back to the Emperor isn't it? If the nids snacked on samples from enough chapters could that be disastrous? I know that the geneseed of Chaos marines and their primarch has been corrupted so I doubt the nids could ever get a 100% complete map. But still.
>>40466890>space marine nidsThat's what the tyrant guard is.
>>40465851And space marines are baby's first mobile infantry.>>40466711Hello 50 cent army, it's an objective fact that Russia and China do not have anywhere near the level of logistics wizardry the United States do. The Soviet Union used to, but the Russian Federation does not, and the Chinese never have.
>>40439794>>Crash landsWho shot it down?
>>40466964Green Lanterns, obviously.
>>40466964We established it doesn't cause it would fuck us over like the dinosaurs just by the impact.
>>40466955>hurr everyone that disagrees with me must be either chinese or russian because i live in a shell of denial and fear of differing worldviewsseriously m8 even I'm american and can tell that this new wave of western-centric rhetoric and narrative that has started rearing its ugly head in the past 8 years is basically a bunch of propagandist bullshit
>>40467163>facts are propaganda
>>40467289>my propaganda is fact
Okay, new variableDue to Warp fuckery, a company of Salamanders get thrown into 2015 Earth, a month before the Nids arrive.What happens to our odds?
>>40467289>>40467294Doesn't matter in the context of this thread since nids still fuck up all the countries the same.
>>40467309> 1 companyBehemoth roflstomped the Smurf's 1st company. Though this is 1 ship, depends what stage of the invasion it is. If they nomed south africa and reached the sea they can sit and eat all the fish. Which means we're dead since the sea has a lot of biomass.
>>40456523This, stealers are hunched over and still usually matched space marines in height
>>40467352I'm supposing they arrive a month before the main invasion fleet hits Earth. So just genestealers at first.
>>40457592Torn apart by modern military? The 1 hive ship would contain several million tyranids which would almost instantly start growing more as they consume everything nearbyZoanthropes who can rip holes into tanks just by thinking it, monstrous creatures which can survive planet killing nukes, burrowing 3 story giants that can sense heartbeats and swallow groups of men whole
>>40467688A single Hive Lord would absolutely ruin any army on Earth. We just do not have the weaponry capable of dealing with Nids. I mean shit, the Space Marines regular load out can deal with Nids and they still get shit stomped most of the time.
>>40460081>its possible only if we mobilized the entire world for it.No it isn't, 40k is above our tech significantly as mentioned in the rule book and they usually last a couple of months, heck leviathan took down 2 dozen worlds in 2 monthsThe only chance we would have is as soon as it landed or within the first couple of hours would be dropping several high end nukes on it and hoping nothing burrowed below the surface
>>40461983On this note, Tyranids hivemind has been shown to be a fantastic tactician, supposedly Calgar was shocked about how it was reacting and moving troopsIf we launched nukes would the tyranids attempt to detonate them mid flight? Or send some Air beasts to tear them apart in the upper atmosphere?
>>40467819Carnifexes laugh at cyclone missiles and most nids are radiation proof. They probably might move the ship but not the ground structures.
>>40467352Not including all the water, minerals and soil that nids take, Earth has around 560,000,000,000 tonnes of biomass, a tyranid warrior weighs a tonne, they could pump out 560 billion tyranid warriors (which are usually depicted as being above space marines)
>>40467861Oh yeah I know that, but I was just thinking would they be able to intercept the missiles to reduce losses of smaller beasts
>>40467819My scenario was centered based on the fact that since WH40k happens...well, 38,000 years from now, they have no knowledge of humanity and we don't either. Keep in mind, the first Tyranids the Imperium of Man run into don't even have ranged weapons. It takes 13 hours to grow a full fledged gaunt (albeit, it would be hundreds of them at a time), probably a few hours of adjusting strains, etc. So as humanity learned and adapted to their tactics, the Tyranids would do the same but also adjusting their creatures to go with their new tactics. They might have encountered fission weapons from their previous encounters but honestly the tyranids we would fight today would adapt in ways to counter our current tactics that would have no correlation to the nids the imperium of man fights. Also keep in mind that this is not a hive fleet. It's a single ship that landed in south africa. Kilometers long, holding thousands of tyranids, capable of reproduction but far from the thousands of ships that would be in even a splinter fleet capable of overrunning an imperial backwater planet. One ship, while deadly due to the nature of the tyranids, would not go unnoticed or unopposed for longer than maybe a few hours.Everyone seems to be using the time table for a whole hive fleet to absorb a planet and neglecting the fact that it's only one ship. One ship would be an existential threat to humanity currently, but it wouldn't be a one sided slaughter as some are saying, as they cite instances where at best the PDF forces number a few million and are assaulted by thousands of tyranid ships. The US military alone numbers around 2 million and could be comprable to a well trained PDF in 40k terms versus a single hive ship.
>>40467989>>40467819 Oh, and as for sending creatures to detonate the nukes, thats physically impossible. Nukes don't detonate prematurely. Nuclear warheads also travel at incredible speeds and barring Tyranids developing super sonic flyers, they wouldn't be able to even catch modern fighters, let alone a small warhead barely a meter across traveling at super sonic speeds.
>>40468066Tyranids already have super sonic flyers, harpys and hive crones are able to match flight speed of most aircraft supposedly, they could still tear the nuke apartOr you know.... Iron Giant it "Superman"
>>40468099Maybe, but that depends on them expecting it, detecting it, perfectly countering it, and humanity not using additional failsafes to counter it. Current nuclear doctrine already takes nukes being sent off course due to interference (i.e. nuclear detonations to destroy and throw off warheads). Humanity would begin redundant warheads against the tyranids, much like they already due against each other. Of course, tyranids would counter this, but considering its one hive ship, how much biomass can they spare in their first few days to counter just that in addition to waging conventional war against millions of human soldiers (maybe not equal to a guardsman in 40k, but they haven't encountered humans yet and have no way to know how well they would fight).
>>40468225I highly doubt they would get nuked within the first few days, by time humanity takes into account how dangerous they are, I believe they would have spread and burrowed and infected a very large area out of the landing point
>>40467897>reduce losses of smaller beasts>Implying they care about dead gaunts
>>40468250Reference my time line above, based on the tyranid stages of consumption of a planet, adjusted for a single hive ship.
>>40468225Tyranid ships are sensitive enough to detect and engage maneuvering fighter squadrons at ranges of hundreds of thousands of km. A ballistic missile within a few hundred ks is easy.Intercepting isn't so easier though their probably isn't such need for the hiveship to do so. It regularly ahrugs off weapons fire in the region of 10000 times more powerful than the Tsar bomb. We can't meaningfully threaten it.
>>40443808>I always figured that on reason the imperium looses is that scientific shit is so backwards in 40kThat's because every time you try to experiment, or rediscover things, or explore new ideas, it leads to Chaos. 1% of the time it also/or leads to Necrons. 40K's scientists inhabit a galaxy that is actively out to get them. Not just the mundane stuff like enemy armies and ancient guardians of forbidden knowledge. We're talking about an intangible force that worms its way into EVERYTHING and only needs a single crack in your defenses to turn you and everything you've ever known and loved into corruption. >nobody works with each other (I'm looking at you, Admech).Yes, let's work closely with the organization that had a galactic-wide civil war which nearly destroyed the entire human empire and plunged us into 10,000 years of pain, darkness and suffering. Again, galaxy is out to get you.
>>40468484http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannonhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_BombaYou're telling me that a single hive ship can shrug off something more powerful than the most powerful weapon 40k has to offer.Pack it in boys, the galaxy is done. A single tyranid ship can simply shrug off the most powerful of weaponry the fucking Imperium of Man has despite countless sources saying otherwise.You fucking moron. 10,000 times more powerful than a weapon that caused 3rd degree burns out to 62 miles away would result in wiping out all life across the Earth 3 times over. I know 40k has no sense of scale, but are you fucking serious? Your telling me you believe that a hive ship could plunge into a fucking star and come out unscathed. You are a fucking retard and I spent 2 hours spit balling how first contact between present day humanity and tyrandids would go. Fuck off and kill yourself you god damn illiterate piece of shit.
>>40468622(different anon)Still though the nids would be too spread out for the bomb to affect them. Plus hive ships can sense such bombs and leg it to orbit.
>>40468622Well yes now you're getting an idea of how over the top 40k is.the Tsar bomb is just small time compared too 40ks space ordnance. According too spacehulk a single ships torpedo has a 600 gigatonne warhead, even the smallest droneships only a km or so long can reliably survive a direct hit from such a weapon and the larger hiveships can survive whole salvos of them.As for ships going into stars tgere are instances of merchant freighters hiding in a stars corona to avoid detection. So a more heavily armoured warship doing the same? Totally believable.
>>40468622(different to both anons!) I do believe a Tsar bomb would finish off the Hive ship probably, however.... Carnifexes or other super heavy nids MIGHT survive it as they have been shown too, if not I personally think they would likely spread, burrow or fly away after realising what was happening
>>40468710Source on the 600 gigaton? I am not arguing, I just would like to read about it
>>40468640Ah yes, the intangible "sensing." Pray tell how a hive ship would be able to detect such a thing and discern it from all the other things flying through the atmosphere. I'll be waiting. Oh, and don't forget to include how it would be able to lift off and escape the atmosphere quickly enough to outrun a super sonic warhead. I found citations for my scenarios, I expect to see at least an attempt to justify something that has never ever occured in even the most fan wanky of Tyranid lore.
>>40468730Spacehulk. It was in the old book so I'm not sure if it was repeated in the new version. Can't give a page number sorry.Those kind of yeilds also line up with usual descriptions of warships main weapons fire. Phrases like "continent sized petals of flame" have turned up in a few stories.
>>40468710Give me a source, and I'll adjust. I've provided sources for my claims regarding tyranid capabilities, and to my knowledge, what you're saying is not supported by even the most ludicrous of 40k lore.
>>40468739>Please give 100% scientifically accurate citations for this fictional race of galaxy eating space bug dinosaur monstersK then
>>40447789How they fuck does the Imperial navy ever beat those things, or the Tau for that matter
>>40468739>SensingZoanthropes and other psychic nid crap explain that.As for flying out of the way we won't launch it from africa it has time to move slightly in atmo to avoid it.
>>40468784Nigga, I'm asking for a source, any source that would justify a hive ship being able to detect an object maybe a meter wide and 2 meters long and then take off from a planet faster than a super sonic projectile. Hell, I'll make it easy for you, you show me a source that says it can take off from the planet in less than 10 minutes at super sonic velocities and I'll concede. Or even dodge a torpedo in space combat. Anything. But you won't, because you're lazy.
>>40468828That >>40468784Was my first reply this entire thread, and you have just hurt my feelings sir
>>40468814Ballistic missile submarines, nuclear missiles launched from bombers from barely beyond the horizon. Maybe the zoanthropes are able to attach special significance to these acts compared to the numerous projectiles thrown against them, but I still doubt a hive ship would be able to avoid it.
>>40468828Couldn't zoanthropes and psychic shit just cause it to be torn apart mid flight?
>>40468863They could just throw some hive crones to suicide crash into it or maybe even a Harridan. Also>>40468872
>>40468779I have given the source twice. Space hulk.There's also numerous depictions of warships enacting exterminatus with a few salvos of their main weapons. While specialist weapons can go full on Alderan on planets.This shouldn't be surprising and is the pretty well established level of 40ks silliness.
>>40468852I'm sorry, but if you've read the thread, some peoplr are just plain stupid. I apologize.>>40468872That's a distinct possibility and the first actual counter beyond "tyranids can just tank it." Humanity currently doesn't have a counter to that other than just try and swarm them with enough nukes as to make it difficult to stop. Or maybe use dummy warheads to wear them out. Who knows? I could just use "The Emperor reveals himself early" cop out, but that just seems...lazy?
>>40468802That particular scaling is fan art. Most hiveships are of comparable size too imperial ships. Though there has been occasional mention of super huge hiveships that do things like eating an asteroid base whole, asteroid and all.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Hive_ShipIt can go toe to toe with Battleships. Has to be massive
>>40468909Sorry, missed the first time. 600 gigatonnes huh? Holy fuck GW. Thats literally Death Star level or even beyond. I'm too tired to bother with the math. 40k has no sense of scale and I guess I'm a fool for even trying to present a realistic scenario for contact between Tyranids and Humanity today. Still though, the idea that it can just take even a Tsar Bomba level weapon, let alone 10,000 times more powerful than that, is absolutely ludicrous and just doesn't fit with the scale of anything else in the universe. Of course, this is a universe where ground fighting is a significant part of Galactic Warfare so fuck it.
>>40469017>ludicrous and just doesn't fit with the scale of anything else in the universeThe scale of things in space has been pretty consistent in 40ks fluff, relatively speaking.
>>40469050If you measure the scale from hand grendades to super novas, I guess.
>>40468814If it can fly, it just goes up and sprays spores. The base scenario presumes grounded nids.
>>40469322By saying the ship lands for some reason. Yeah, makes no sense now that I mention it. Let's say its in high atmo.
>>40469424Then it's spores and everything is fucked.TBH I find the desperate struggle scenarios written up more entertaining even if they require some hobbling of the nids.
>>40469513> everything nid is fuckedFexes have scoffed at exterminatus plus all it takes is one ripper to eat and morph into a hive tyrant to kick it back into high gear. Seems this is more of a cosmic horror story than desperate struggle.
>>40444596>this anal rectum on the front of the ship
>>40470216>bumping an autosaged threadDude, what.
>>40466890>Use them to essentially skip a few generation in a Genestealer cult?I don't think you understand the point/use of the various generations of a genestealer cult. You don't skip them. You make sure lots of normal humans (brood brothers) have "holy" monster babies (first gens) and then they're stuck keeping your cult secrets because you're keeping their kids safe. The genestealer cult thing is moot anyway since this hypothetical event is a full on tyranid ship landing, not a loner genestealer coming in on recovered spaceship whatever and hiding out in the sewers.