You are Lord William Bordain, Lord of Morderengrad and the Norther Valley. Some call you the Iron Lord, as your wealth flows from the arms and armor you sell, and your demeanor is as unflinching and cold as castle-forged steel. Other have taken to calling you “The Grey Giant”, in reference to your great size, less-than-warm demeanor, and your recent marriage to House Tollett of Grey Glen. You are a Lord by right of Murder, having slain the Targaryen children in the Sack of King’s Landing. After years of solitary brooding, you decided to rejoin the greater world. You brought order to your lands, unveiled a traitor, and wedded the lady Alyssa Tollet, who now bears your child.Which means that you have a legacy to forge for your future child. You will not leave your flesh and blood without care or resources, and so you have dived into the management of your lands and holdings, to procure a bright future for yourself and your children. But storm clouds darken the horizon. Tywin Lannister has asked that you seek to supplant Jon Arryn, your liege lord, as Hand of The King. Further, Oberyn Martell has crossed you, and this you will not let go unpunished.You have recently agreed to a compact with the Lynderlys, that will see your weapons on their ships taken to Gulltown, to be moved around the Seven Kingdoms and across the Narrow Sea. You have also taken their second son Stefon as your squire. You have decided to spend some of the ever-narrowing window before your wife is bed-ridden by pregnancy acquainting yourself to the various Lords of the Vale. You ride to Runestone, the home of Lord Royce, visiting other nobles along the way. You met with Lord Corbray and his wife, as well as Lady Waynwood and her many children. You now prepare for your ultimate destination, Runestone, home of House Royce.
>>41529757How badly am I off balance? I forgot to change the number to 19. OH WELL.In any case, you're currently in the home of Anya Waynwood, a remarkably attractive and FORWARD lady. You have been a touch cool to her this visit, due to a test she levied against you in your first meeting, where she attempted to blatantly flirt with you in front of your pregnant wife. She apologized for her conduct, explaining that as a widowed Lady, many young Lords seek to take advantage of her, and she was trying to sound out your character. Nonetheless, the first conversation has put your wife a touch out of sorts, and without her deft hand, your notoriously brusque charms have been the only face for your house. The visit might have been a total disaster if not for a touch of serendipity. Your earlier visit to the Lynderlys means you travel with three young pups, a gift from Lord Gregor as a sign of your houses' growing friendship and your new business deal. And given lady Anya's 8 children, the three pups are the center of constant attention and affection. You are preparing to ride out. Do you wish to personalize your farewells, or rely on standard etiquette and protocols?
>>41529887Standard. I want to just get out of here.
>>41529887Standard etiquette protocols.
>>41529959We'll leave at the end of the thread.
>>41529887Standard but warm, not that warm.I mean the Lady had the balls to flirt with the scariest mofo this side of Westeros, in front of the Lady wife of said scary mofo.
>>41529968>>41529959>>41530000You bid Lady Anya farewell, holding to standard etiquette, but with warmth in your voice as you bid her farewell. If nothing else, the Lady has Spirit. >Roll d100 for weather to Runestone.>>41529983I will cause a sudden apocalypse if we aren't home by the end of this thread. Like, "Doom of Valyria part Two, Westerosi Boogaloo." And the quest will now be about the Seven Kingdoms attempting to survive a terrible apocalypse. So, the original books, I guess.
Rolled 93 (1d100)>>41530115Rolling.
Rolled 16 (1d100)>>41530115worst weather ever
Rolled 43 (1d100)>>41530115
>>41530115The Namek of the quest
>>41530115I'm in the right mood for the quest at least. I've been in pain all day from migranes and half my thoughts have been about murdering anyone who halfway annoys me.So basically I've become the Mountain.
>>41530177Again your journey is in the fairest of weathers. Having crested out of the Vale proper, you now ride along the coast, the salt wind bearing the touch of the sea. It causes you to momentarily reflect on your life in the Westerlands. It's strange, how familiar and different the many lands of the Seven Kingdoms can be. The Narrow Sea doesn't have the same salt-sting as the Sunset. It's certainly the smell of the sea, but not as it would be on the coasts of the Westerlands. No doubt Maester Arban could explain why. Your woolgathering in interrupted by some gentle conversation from your wife. She's been notably aware of your moods of late, since the brutal revelations of the ride to the Corbrays. Perhaps she fears you will again descend into catatonia, as you did after the war. By the end of the second day, you see it, Runestone. a great castle, hewn from the stones in the ancient days. Almost a fortress to compare to the Eyrie. The stone, you note, is of a rusty complexion. Perhaps the ancient hills had iron deposits in them, to color the stone. It's not quite the hue of the Red Keep, but it is notably more colorful than the white halls of the Corbrays, or the grey stone of Snakewood. In fact, you wonder if the Royces have had it colored. It does seem almost a bronze. Perhaps a touch of vanity?As with every other visit, some of the palace guard wait at the gates for your company. "My Lord Bordain, welcome to Runestone. Lord Royce welcomes you and yours. Please, come with me." And so you enter the castle.
>>41530498The castle is like none you've ever seen. The only word for it is cavernous. The ceilings arch above you, and the red stones make you feel like you walk in fire-lit caves, burrowed deep into the earth. The style of architecture is strange, pre-dating the styles you more commonly see in the keeps of other Lords. This castle was built before the Andals came. It was here that the High King of the Vale, The Bronze King Royce, bent knee to the invading Arryns. You can feel the generations that have lived and died in these halls. It is almost a crypt as well as a castle. You see your squire stands almost hunched, as if he must bear the weight of the castle upon his shoulders. Your wife clings a little tigher to your arm, and speaks not. Even your brash nature is somewhat quailed by the history pressing on you.You make it to the throne room, and encounter the Lord himself, Yohn Royce, The Bronze Yohn. A tourney knight of some skill, he stands with the informal comfort of a man secure in his safety. His brow his high, his hair dark brown, and he wears a modest beard about his face. He is speaking with his maester on some matter, and notes your approach. You are in unfamiliar waters here. At Ironoaks, you were announced. At Heart's Home, the Lord greeted you personally, having met you before. But the Bronze Yohn and you have never crossed paths before now. How do you proceed?>Wait for him to finish speaking with his maester, and approach you.>Begin introducing your party at a pause in the conversation.>Have your wife handle the introductions>Immediately interrupt whatever convesation they are having. You are a Lord, and will not wait on the words of a Maester.
>>41530755>>Wait for him to finish speaking with his maester, and approach you.
>>41530755>Wait for him to finish speaking with his maester, and approach you.
>>41530755>Immediately interrupt whatever convesation they are having. You are a Lord, and will not wait on the words of a Maester.Just kidding>Wait for him to finish speaking with his maester, and approach you
>>41530796>>41530808>>41530820You wait patiently for Lord Yohn to finish his discussion with his Maester. No doubt the matter that holds him is one vital to his land's proper maintenance. After a minute or two, he dismisses the maester, and approaches you. "Lord William, welcome." He says, his tone one of polite neutrality, "This must be your lady wife? And you've gained a squire, I see.""Just so, Lord Yohn," you reply, quickly introducing your wife and squire. "You are welcome in my halls, Lady Alyssa, young Stefon." He intones. "Come, let us taste of my bread and salt, so you need fear no blade in my home."As you walk, you speak to Lord Yohn about your trip here, your visits to the Lynderlys, the Corbrays, the Waynwoods, and you explain that you set out on this tour of the Vale at the request of Lord Arryn, who wished you to familiarize yourself with his other vassals.Roll 3d6.
Rolled 5, 4, 3 = 12 (3d6)>>41531058Ok
Rolled 4, 5, 1 = 10 (3d6)>>41531058
Rolled 6, 5, 6 = 17 (3d6)>>41531058Rolling.
>>41531189You can tell that Lord Yohn isn't fully listening to you as you speak. He's putting a nice show of it, but you can tell from the way he pauses, and the lack of detail in some of his responses, that he is thinking of something else, and is distracted from your words.You partake of his bread and salt, and Lord Yohn speaks again. "No doubt you are tired from your journeys, Lord William. And your Lady wife must be worn from the days of riding. Why don't you two retire to your chambers until tonight's feast? It will give you a chance to recuperate."Thats a pretty blatant, if polite, dismissal. How will you respond?>Accept and retire to your chambers>Decline, claiming that his company is all the respite you need.>Ask if something troubles him.>Push him and accuse him of inattention.
>>41531339Small poiint of clarity: "Push him" is in a purely verbal sense, not actually physically shoving him.Unless that's what you want to do, I guess, since I forgot to add the >Write-Inoption.
>>41531339>>Accept and retire to your chambers
>>41531339>Ask if something troubles him.
>>41531339>>Accept and retire
>>41531339>Accept and retire to your chambers
>>41531339>Accept and retire to your chambersBut mention that if he has something troubling him, we would be willing to help out if he would like.
>>41531339>Ask if something troubles him.It shows that we're attentive, and the man loves blunt honesty.
Anywhere with a properly compiled archive for this?
>>41531473If you search Foolz for opening posts containing "William Bordain", it will get you all but the very first thread, where the stats were generated. So you won't miss any story, just the set-up.
>>41531473http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Iron%20and%20Hate%20QuestI think this is it.
>>41531534Nope, never mind.
>>41531523Thank you, Page.
>>41531534That will get you MOST of the storyline. The issue is that the quest ran under two names, first as "Knock-Off Game of Thrones Quest" in acknowledgement of PrincelyDM's super enjoyable Game of Thrones Quest, and then switched names after the first story arc. Also, there's at least one thread that the tag got screwed up on.>>41531574No problem. >>41531404>>41531420>>41531436>>41531448>>41531453You nod to Lord Yohn, and state that you and your wife will gladly take the time to refresh themselves. You also note to him that, as a fellow lord of the Vale, you'd be happy to help him with any issues that might be troubling him or his people. He looks at you for a moment, his expression unreadable, before responding."You're too kind, Lord William. I shall keep that offer in mind."You and your wife retire to your chambers, which are very nice. The wooden furniture is old and lacquered, the bed wide and low. The space is a little small, in that the ceilings of the rooms that aren't the main halls close in low. You have heard that men of the ancient times were not as tall as modern men, so perhaps this is because of the castle's age. But it is not enough that you risk hitting your head, merely enough that you feel the ceiling above you. The feast, when it comes, is a modest affair. It begins with a soup of potatoes and leeks in cream, the soup cooked for hours so that the heat clings to the mix even as it fills your stomach. Then comes a small entree of river-fish, smoked over alderwood coals, served on bread slices with a spiced cream sauce for spreading, filled with tarragon, peppercorns, coriander, and dill. The main course is what's called by the smallfolk a "pot of sea". A huge pot, stuffed with fat crabs, butter crabs, the crawfish of the rivers, mussels, clams, with corn, onions, bacon, and pork sausage, all boiled in a rich brine of vinegars, acids, herbs and salt water. (cont)
>>41531872The pot is not served as a stew, however. Instead, the whole mixture is drained, and the cooked contents of the pot served from a great platter, where the diner may grab what catches their eye, bringing it back to their plate to eat. For dessert, a salad of fruits, with red plums and heartberries served with sliced licorice-root, tossed in a honey-ginger dressing. As the meal progresses, Lord Yohn is still notably tactiturn, so it falls to you and your company to move the conversation. What topics would you like to cover?>Write-in.
>>41531949Ask about some of the history of Runestone.Maybe he would like to talk of his ancestors home
>>41531949He's a tourney knight right, so maybe we make some small talk about how to bash someones face in.
>>41532199Wow, not a lot of response on the write-in option. okay."Lord Yohn, tell me of the history of your castle," you say. "Having been raised in the Westerlands, I know little of the area and its great keeps. Yours is certainly the oldest I have seen.""Well it should be," Lord Yohn says. "My family's lineage stretches back to the Dawn Age, though the first credible records are from the Age of Heroes. Royces were once the High Kings of the Vale, before the arrival of the Arryns. Our castle has stood for over six thousand years, Lord William, and we have lived in it for all those years. There have been others, of course. Daemon Targaryen's thirst for power drove him to wed our bloodline, and saw him try to seize Runestone by force after proclaiming himself King of the Narrow Sea and his wife's passing, but he failed."He tells more stories of his house's ancient history, of its many heroes, going back to before the Andals ruled the Vale. He seems in better spirits when he talks about his family's history than his earlier distraction. Eventually, the dinner ends, and he rises. "Lord WIlliam, I would like to speak with you, alone, if you would.">Accept>Decline
>>41532583>AcceptI don't see why we shouldn't at least hear him out.
>>41532583>>Acceptit's hard to come up with topics when we don't know him to well
>>41532677>>41532654>>41532674You nod your assent, and you join him on a balcony overlooking the Narrow Sea. Out here, the moon shines down, and the realm spreads out before you, down to the sea.Lord Yohn stands in silence for a moment. "“You will forgive me, Lord William, for what I say. Or perhaps you will not. But I do not like you. I do not dislike you, but you have no warm place in my heart. I do not respect you as anything more than a skilled warrior. You have done things I respect, but you pride yourself on them overmuch.”He pauses for a moment before continuing. “Do you know my house words, William? We Remember. And there is so much for us of House Royce to remember. Your House has stood for 3 years. Mine has stood for three times three thousand years. The Royces were Kings of the First Men. We remember when the Andals came, we remember our loss to Artys Arryn. We remember the peace between Man and Child. What do you have to remember? What insight can you offer from your scant years of rule? I have ruled my lands for 20 years, Lord William. What wisdom can you speak to me that will not have been thought, tried, tested, and trashed?" "You are courageous. You are willing to take hard measures. You are a touch more insightful than I had been lead to believe. But in all things, you have shown a cudgel, not a crown. And now, you deal with merchants, you squire boys after knowing them for a day. You have no PATIENCE in you that I can see. You as though you think you will make the Seven Kingdoms one Iron Dominion before you have tasted the Crone's touch. For all these things, I dislike you. BUT, you have borne great burdens and borne them in silence. You have brought order to your lands, though your trumpet your victory like conquering Hill Tribes is a task as deadly as facing Targaryens upon their Dragons. And you offered me aid, with no more knowledge than that I was troubled. These speak well of you."(cont)
>>41532906He sighs. "I am not a man who resolves himself quickly, William. I do not jump like the shadowcat at every passing opportunity. My house has endured for generations through patience, skill, and wisdom. You have skill. You need to learn the other two.""I had thought, before we met, that you were a disgustingly ambitious man. The Squire of Tywin, the King at your wedding, dining with Jon Arryn and his new wife when the mood took you, abandoning your own lands for a week to wheel and deal with that snake Baelish. ""But having met you, and hearing you speak, I see what you are. You do these things because you are a boy, seeking the approval of this father, or that. You seek guidance and approval. That I understand. It shows me a new shade for your actions. And I do not dislike you, as I once did."He turns to face you."I tell you these things so you understand me. We are not friends, William. Maybe, in time, we will be, but for now, I worry that you are a boy trapped in a role that needs a man. That you think having important friends makes one important themself." He nods out to the lands before you."A great boar stalks my lands. It has killed eight of my small-folk. It seems perhaps to be a demon, for it never appears where there are men to oppose it, but instead tramples children and gores women when they are alone. I am troubled today by the knowledge that I can do nothing about this, personally. My knights have ridden out to confront it, and they will win, or lose. But I cannot ride out. I am too valuable, my sons too untrained, for me to take such a foolhardy charge. And when I speak to you, I know in my heart that you are young, and have the fire, that you would do this thing. If these were your lands, you would lead your "Bloodsmiths" in a hunt and not return without the beast on your spears, or yourself on a litter. I know such a course is foolish. But there is a hunger in me, for glory, that wishes I could."
Think we would be able to tale Tyrion under our wing and train him with a pick? might stop him from whoring if we catch it early
>>41533137Nah.I say squire or teach Joffrey some stuff. Get him to focus his anger on things and not be a cunt. Or at least be a reasonable cunt.
>>41533122"I do not want you to face this boar for me, William. I no more wish to see your wife a widow than I wish to see my children orphaned. But I fear you will do it anyway, to spite me, to throw my age in my face as a challenge to any anger you've taken from my words. You are surrounded by men of vigor. Men of war. I do not know that you can fit peace inside your walls along with your anger and your weapons."He falls silent, his speech apparently at an end.>Response?
>>41533174"I believe it is time to me and mine to be off."
>>41533137Tyrion Lannister is currently 14 years old, meaning that, canonically, he has already married and..."divorced" Tysha, in our years of brooding.I should actually make a couple secret rolls to see if that went the same way in this continuity, given your influence on Tywin and Jaime.
>>41533174>Response?He makes some pretty good points.Maybe suggest a deal? He tries to help teach us to be more wise, we try to help out with the boar (not kill it, but work together to find and have it taken down).Not sure if this plan is too childish/immature, but I want to be on friendly terms with Lord Royce and I'm not sure what to do to get there, exactly.
>>41533234Oh, btw, gonna make some dinner right now, will be back in 20 or so.
>>41533250You can't really teach wisdom Plus why stay where we are not wanted. We can rest easy knowing we made the attempt.
>>41533174"I thank you for your words and I give my word that I will try to help with the boar, while not riding out myself I could offer the services of my men to aid you knights."
>>41533174Cock our head "That you think i would do something out of mere spite speaks more volumes of how you think of me than anything else,
>>41533317This is good
I like this >>41533307and I think we should mention that we are not blind to Baelish's trickery.
>>41533122"Perhaps I am young. Perhaps I am not ready to be a proper Lord. Perhaps for the past week as I traveled across the Vale I have wished for nothing more in my heart than for the next great war to begin so that I might once again throw myself into the only thing I know how to do well.You are right that I want to hunt your boar. I don't want to do it out of anger at your words though or out of spite. I want to do it because I don't have your millennia of history. Despite my wife already swelling with child I can't yet imagine a name or lineage stretching across time.But my wife is with child. My children will inherit lands. Perhaps it is time to put away childish things and childish anger. With your permission though, I have a contingent of men who are experts in stealth and woodsmanship. I can send them to help in my own place, if it would not offend you. I'm not offering it our of a need to prove myself either: they need more than mere training can offer. I had been considering hiring them out for mercenary work and this could be a fine start."Offer to send some Elite Guerrillas when we get home
Do we travel with our elite guerillas or our painted dogs? If we do we can offer to use them to track the boar. Otherwise i think >>41533287 is right, wish him good luck and be on our way as soon as it's polite.
>>41533317But i will help you, not out of spite, out of respect, for a man with Courage enough to tell a lord that "Drinks Blood" you think him a fool that is something i respect more than any amount of History."
>>41533470Considering the difference in status between our two houses it probably doesn't take much courage for him to call us a fool imo.
>>41533439We know he's probably untrustworthy, but we still have no idea what his angle is. But unlike what the reasonable response to that would be, I think we're planning on still associating with him out of a combination of morbid curiosity and arrogance.
the best part is that I actually do really want to fight his demon boar rather than hobnob more. and we ARENT looking to create a legacy. We want to be a badass and do interesting things.>>41533584at the current rate we're probably going to end up smashing his face in. Our patience for his antics is rapidly running out.
>>41533174I feel like we don't really seek the approval of a father figure, it's more that, well, we murdered children, and instead of getting what we deserve, we got a castle, a nice amount of land, etc. If anything, William's insistence on doing things himself is like... trying to retroactively earn his lordship?>>41533645I wouldn't say that. I just wanna go home man.
>>41533174Royce gets invaded first.
>>41533706I mean I'm not opposed to sending some men help hunt a boar, but I'm not very interested in personally running around the forest in a wild goose chase when we have a pregnant wife and more important stuff to do.
>>41533826I don't know, hasn't William been shown to enjoy hunting earlier?
"Great lineages, even ones as ancient as yours, are borne by a strong sword arm, in blood and sweat and strife. You judge the chicken before it is hatched, and make assumptions of things you have not evidenced. As you said, my Lord, patience in all things. In time, your great House may come to value the counsel of house Bordain."
>>41533870Eh, really laying on the arrogance.
>>41533870That doesn't really sound like something we would say. We've always been very open about our shortcomings and we know that we don't actually deserve our lordship or our connections. We just want to lay the smackdown on criminals, invest in infrastructure, and prepare for the next war.
>>41533906>>41533920>>41533952arrogance is in the tone, not the textalso i dont see any alternatives
>>41533440Do people agree with this for when Page returns? Any changes or additions?
>>41533263Back. Let me look over the responses.>>41533317...You're are Wiliam has a definite history of overreacting in violent ways to challenges/causes, right? We've always has personal justification, but we've definitely done a spree of things that make normal people wince. >Tear out man's tongue before sending him to Wall.>Crucify corpses of men we slaughtered due to misunderstanding.>Murder Hill Chief for disagreeing with us.>Maimed man who dueled us because he thought we were forcing our wife to marry us.We're in no way seen as a "reasonable chap".>>41533459You travel with a contingent of your Bloodsmiths, 1/2 of an Elite Personal Guard unit.>>41533842William has shown an enjoyment of it, but notably has never gone hunting EXCEPT at another Lord's request. Let me scan these again to see if I can form an consensus reaction.
>>41534001All those decisions seem perfectly reasonable at the time.
>>41534001>>Tear out man's tongue before sending him to Wall.His crime would have earned him death in any other lord's land! >>Crucify corpses of men we slaughtered due to misunderstanding.Yeah... that one's on us.>>Murder Hill Chief for disagreeing with us.That was totally justified. If your enemies defy you serve them fire and steel, if they bend the knee you must help them to their feet, ect, ect.>>Maimed man who dueled us because he thought we were forcing our wife to marry us.He called us a rapist!
>>41534001Also, apparently I need to write more big challenge speeches. Our attendance increased by like, 7 since I left.>>41534058>>41534033They paint an overall picture. Most people would have killed the traitor, sure. By chopping his head off. We tore out his tongue, nailed it to a stick in the middle of our town, and sent him away.We didn't just kill a Hill Chief, we threw a pickaxe 20 feet and killed him in one blow.And the duel with the young knight was a public display of our Berserker quality. To the onlookers, we greeted the oncoming duel with levity, laughing about the idea of having to fight him, until the knight hit us with a palpable blow, our face went stone-cold emotionless, and we proceeded to beat him so viciously his arm will never fully heal.William has the Quality Sinister. It's like how no one knows how to act around Roose Bolton, because he's so creepy. We get a combat and intrigue advantage, because everyone is mildly worried that one wrong move will send us into a murdering fury. Does William fully deserve this reputation? No. But he has built it up over a while. It doesn't help that our main source of income is also really-well-made weapons. We're one-part The Hulk, one-part a Skilgannon the Damned, and one-part Tony Stark. >>41534001So, is there a general consensus on response? I see a lot of "Accept his criticism, offer to send troops to help him, and leave as soon as possible." That work for everyone?I'm super happy about all this discussion and the ideas being presented and debated.
>>41534326>>41533440 seems fine.
>>41534326Generally yeah? But make sure the sending the troops can't be construed as pity.
>>41534326Seems fine.Plus we're not back at our castle and a time skip hasn't happened yet, but it's the end of the thread.
>>41534326Over all it looks good
>>41534419In general, I'm not sure if he actually needed help, or if he just wanted to be there?
>>41534419Also I'm not sure how concerned William is with exterior validation, particularly from Tywin and King Robert.
>>41533122>>41534326Throw in something about a boar being killed just as easily with a crossbow, perhaps?
>>41534424I still got 40 minutes in me, sucka!(yeah, I've actually been ending earlier than I intended the last two weeks, because I keep having things right after the quest. Today, my only commitment is to maybe play Payday 2 around 10.)>>41534390>>41534419>>41534424>>41534435You look at him for a moment, then turn out to the sea. "You're likely right. I may be too young, not ready to be a proper Lord. For the past week, as I have traveled the Vale, I confess, some part of my heart longed for the next great war to begin, so that I could once again throw myself into the only thing I know that I can do well.""I do wish to hunt the boar and kill it. Not out of spite, or to revel in my youth and your age. I want to do it because for 17 years of my life, it was the kind of deed that would win me a legacy. I do not have your millennia of history, and until 3 years ago, had no lineage to consider. Even now, as my wife grows with child, I cannot conceive of such a thing, a dynasty growing from me."You sigh, heart heavy with fear. "Maybe it is time to put away childish anger. To cease leading like a captain on the field of war, and to being to lead like a Lord."You turn to him."As such, Lord Yohn, I would offer you the services of my woodsmen. They are silent shadows amid the trees, and relentless pursuers. Also, they are archers, so it is less likely any will die in the hunt. Maybe I should not ride out. But that does not mean I cannot act. Besides, I was considering sending my men out for mercenary work, to allay the fears of my neighbors. Murdering a demon boar is a fine enough place to start."Yohn chuckles. "Ever moving, eh, William? Even in concession, you seek more. Very well. Let us negotiate a deal for your "Silent Shadows". "You return indoors.
>>41534663I said it was time to put away childish things. I didn't say I was becoming a Royce!
>>41534663I guess the biggest disagreement I have is that though he's kind of obsessed with preparing for one, I feel like instead of welcoming a war, Bordain would do anything to stop a new one from happening, since it's not all battle, there's also killing children.
>>41534663After some negotiation, it is agreed that he will pay you 2000 dragons a month (2 Wealth) for the use of your Guerillas.You agree to send them to him as soon as you return home. Yohn offers you a ship to take your party home more quickly, and sparing your wife a week's ride back.>Accept>Decline
>>41534796shut the fuck up Bordain is all about war.
Rolled 93 (1d100)>>41534796Recognizing that war is a terrible thing that kills children and gives young men PTSD isn't mutually exclusive with it being the only place he feels at home. >>41534835Accept. Rolling to see if we get struck by lightning and die.
>>41534858Do rainbows just follow us wherever we go? Is that it? Are we blessed by the Seven? Or does the Drowned God like us so much he is offering us safe passage?
>>41534878well we are the Lord of Iron, maybe the Drowned God recognizes that we pay the Iron price
>>41534910Holy shit I just realized we kind of paid the Iron Price for our massive wedding. We should seriously consider converting when we visit the Iron Islands.
We should start an orphanage
>>41534835>accept How far along is (not sure if this is right) Alyssa?
>>41534835>AcceptOur first client is Bronze fuck Yohn! We practically made it already.
>>41534854Due to recent revelations, it's quite possible that William Bordain exults in combat, and personal displays, while simultaneously disliking the concept of "War" due to the aftermath and casualties. Or potentially he only hates "dirty" War.>>41534858>>41534878Apparently it's just been the best two weeks of weather in a year. Just a really nice week.>>41534883>>41534870>>41534858>>41534851You accept the ship home, and your men, horses, hounds, squire and wife all board a fat cog named "The Midwife's Tonic", that is apparently a wine-ship. After a scenic 3 days asea, you reach the port of Snakewood, and it's another day upriver to your own holdings. Your Maester, Arban, meets you at the docks."Lord William, welcome home.">>41535001She's just entering her 4th month.NOW THAT YOU'VE RETURNED HOME!!!!Roll 4d6.
Rolled 3, 1, 1, 5 = 10 (4d6)>>41535039ok
Rolled 1, 5, 5, 6 = 17 (4d6)>>41535039
Rolled 3, 6, 5, 4 = 18 (4d6)>>41535039
>>41535039I still love that our maester is pretty much just as ruthless and ambitious as we are, even though that's like the opposite of the influence maesters are supposed to have.
>>41535087 Your Captains report that your absence for two weeks has had little affect on the general populace. Things proceed apace on the various construction choices you've issued, Your granaries will be done in 4 months, the builders estimate. You have 3 events awaiting your attention.Do you wish to speak to:>Ilwin, Castle Blacksmith>Arban, Maester>Connor Leyf, Mayor of Morderenfeld.(this is mostly for what ORDER you wish to speak to them in)
>>41535248FUCKING DREADNOUGHT ARMOR, BITCHES!WHOOP WHOOOP>Arban>Blacksmith>Mayor
>>41535248>Connor Leyf, Mayor of Morderenfeld.>Ilwin, Castle Blacksmith>Arban, Maester
>>41535248>>41535295It's like Christmas has come to Westeros!
>>41535248>Ilwin, Castle BlacksmithI also want to talk to our architect about adding underground wings to our castle
>>41535305Connor's thing might take more time, so it's best to get to him last. Arban's is probably the least time consuming but most important. Also I want to try on our DREADNOUGHT ARMOR
What is hype may never die!
Shit. I almost forgot I've been waiting to post this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaXss09JDjQ>>Hell, it's about time.
>>41535248How are our bannermen going in the management of their holdings?
I just had to leave because a tenant called me to complain the doors to the building, which I locked an hour ago, weren't locked now. By the time I got downstairs, they were locked. Either she's going crazy, or someone really needed that door unlocked for 15 minutes.>>41535320>>41535311>>41535295You talk with Arban first. He is your maester, and in the chamber already, so you can talk while you walk to where he's leading you."Milord, one of your smallfolk came to me, complaining her boy was ill. I've studied the boy, and believe he is not technically sick, but instead...well, I do not wish to seem hasty, but I think the boy is special."You enter Arban's chamber, where apparently the boy is waiting. He is a young lad, of maybe nine years. He is also staring at the door with eyes devoid of color. No Iris, no pupil, just white.Arban continues speaking "Kevan here apparently sees things he shouldn't. And makes claims that no one believes. Further, he was found eating a raw rabbit. His mother thinks the Stranger has touched him with madness, but I think the cause is...older than that."Rolling your Cunning... Success!"You mean, a beastling?""A skinchanger, my lord. I think young Kevan here is accidentally entering the minds of hawks and eagles. The old stories tell of such things, and how such events might move his mind to more primitive states."You regard the boy for a moment, his head cocking to the side, studying whatever his currently blind eyes are seeing.Arban presses. "What should we do with the boy, my lord?"You are aware that your squire is beside you.>Such sorcery is evil. Send him to a sept to be cured.>The boy might become a danger in his madness. Let us confine and restrain him.>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.
>>41535594>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.Discreetly. The las thing we need is an accusation of witchcraft to add to our reputation.
>>41535594>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.We are a meritocratic sort.
>>41535594He will be trained of course. We am not ones to let such gifts pass through our fingers, Arban. Would you like to train and study him yourself or should we find someone to do so? Perhaps he will be my second squire after Stefan has graduated to knighthood.
>>41535594>>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.
>>41535668eh, squiredom is too visible
>>41535594>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.We're not too fond of killing off the young ones, besides not his fault he was born...Different
>>41535668Er. Isn't he blind?
>>41535620Do we care? Our house words are practically "Subtle as a Nuclear Bomb" If we take a liking to him we'll take him under our wing. If not he'll still become a retainer of some sort.
>>41535594>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.
>>41535706He's in the process of Warging into something. He's not blind normally presumably. Remember when Bran's eyes go white?
Remember that we are the lord who decided that the hill tribes could become productive members of society and brought Luuk to the fete barefoot to shock the hardasses.We're not particularly inclined to keep something as minor as a warg a state secret, even if we don't go around telling people without being asked.
>>41535707>>41535772The upshot to Sinister is that we get to do what we want and people will just accept it as Bordain being Bordain.
>>41535687>>41535670>>41535668>>41535620>>41535728"Well, if the boy was born gifted, let us help him use it. Find someone to train him, Arban.""If my Lord permits, I will train him myself. A strong sense of identity, and willpower are said to be necessary to master the state, and as a maester, I know a thing or two about mental power."You nod your approval, and exit the room with Stefon to visit Ilwin, your Blacksmith. As you descend to his forge, you consider whether you should discuss the matter of Stefon's brother with him, but you reach the forge before you resolve yourself. Ilwin greets you with his standard over-bearing, unceasing stream of speech."Milord.""Ilwin."" 'S done.""My thanks."" 's big.""Good, that's what I wanted."He nods once. "Watch the right knee. there's some grinding I couldn't resolve. Shouldn't be too big a worry, unless you fight somewhere with a lot of sand. Might lock up."As ever, his sudden shift into actual speech startles you, but you know that, this warning done, he'll be extra taciturn for a day or so.Instead, you marvel at the size of your new armor.Your squire gawks at it. "Milord, you can't mean to wear that! You wouldn't be able to MOVE!"You smile "First thing you should know, Stefon. My Iron does what I want. Come, put it on me."YOU'VE UNLOCKED: DREADNAUGHT ARMOR: STATISTICS Armor Rating 14 Armor Penalty -6 Bulk 4When you wear it, the AR increases by 1, and the Bulk decreases by 1. You then walk to your throne room, the armor thudding in the halls as you do so, testing the movement of the new armor. You feel the grinding that Ilwin mentioned, though you think it will wear smooth in time. As such, you meet the mayor of your town in a suit of armor worthy of a Dark Lord. "Mayor Leyf, welcome." You call to him."BY THE- Oh, My Lord Bordain...so good to see you. What...impressive armor you wear."(cont)
>>41535594>If he has been given a gift, let us help him use it. Find someone to train the boy.I'm really considering that drowned God idea.
>>41535967All of my yes
>>41535967>YOU'VE UNLOCKED: DREADNAUGHT ARMOR:I forget what it looks like.Mind giving me a reminder?Also,>AR 15 when Bordain wears itJesus fuck.
>>41536054I'm a bit worried about the Knee, perhaps we can ask our Maester to give us an idea on how to smooth it faster?
>>41535967Mayor Leyf is a thinner man, who has one burgundy shirt he loves to wear to official events. he thinks it goes well with his straw-colored hair. He is not wrong, but nor is it a great complement. He is also nervous almost constantly. "What brings you to my castle?""Well, my lord, it's...the town. Well, not the TOWN, but morderenfeld. You've done a great deal of work, bringing in all these big improvements, and such, but the town itself is, well, tiny. We don't have many homes, my lord. We're straining at the seems. We wanted to know if you could expand the holdings of Morderenfeld. This town you're building around the docks is nice, but, well sir, we were here first. You're bulding for the Dog Tribes, and the Portmen, but what of us?">reply?
>>41536054For reference, Full Plate is 10 AR, -6 AP and Bulk 3. Our DREADNOUGHT ARMOR grants 4 extra damage resist at the cost of an extra Bulk.And yes Page. Food porn is well and good, but now we need armor porn! Describe it in lascivious detail!
>>41536079Build the nigga a town
>>41536079>reply?Build moar houses.Make sure they have enough living space.
>>41536079>reply> "Well you should have brought your concerns to me earlier Mayor, reguardless follow me, let's look over the land and see if we can fit in some improvements to the town."
>>41536079That sounds fair, but ask him what he thinks the increased population could do? Like I'd rather not have a bunch of idle hands, you know?
>>41536079He is in charge of the town is he not? It's his job to ensure adequate housing. He can talk to the castellan if he needs financial assistance in the future, but housing isn't an infrastructure investment, it's the Mayor's job. We can give him a low interest loan if he needs emergency cash and we can hook him up with timber connections if he needs them, but I think our generosity is being taken advantage of here.We buy ships, mills, and ports for our bannermen. Not residential housing.
>>41536079Tell him it is next on the list of construction projects
>>41536079"Mayor, I suppose I may have overlooked the fair town. If you need more houses I will arrange a meeting between you and my architect/engineer/wateva that guy is, and we can have a look at how best to grow this town. For what is a lord if he cannot provide enough houses for his people to live in."
>>41536140That SOUNDS true but I vaguely feel like we took an active role in the other towns?
>>41536139Wait nevermind, I think I misread the quote.
>>41536157I don't think paying for expanding residential housing is our place. But he is welcome to use any trade connections we have and use our Master Architect.>>41536170Our role has always been in infrastructure investment. Ships, mills, and towers. Residential housing is a different class. Best I say we offer is a cheap loan.
>>41536185I don't think it's just houses, they probably need more infrastructure and roads and stuff to accommodate more people. And loaning money to a man who works for us, in a sense, seems kind of silly.
Wait a second. I just realized this is our DIRECT subordinate, not a banner-chief. Remind him that our castellan is perfectly okay to talk to and put expanding the town on our to-do list. Not our first priority, but if we have the resources.
>>41536140While accurate in reality, by the rules of the game, this is incorrect. YOU have to spend the resources for any upgrades to your towns. He's basically asking that Morderenfeld be upgraded from a Hamlet to a higher category.>>41536140>>41536139This event is technically being triggered by a shift in the rules of the game, released in Out of Strife, Prosperity, that notes that it's moderately ridiculous for low-population regions to have a lot of holdings. Consider that, at present, your base town consists of a single Hamlet (population roughly 50), In that town, you have placed: A full-time bankerA Marketplacethe working population of a Iron Mining Complex and SmelterA guild of BlacksmithsA Guild of Masons. Yes, you're building another town, but it's being built around a Port and Dockyard, with a tower being constructed in it. Also, SOMEWHERE in your territory, 940 soldiers are finding places to sleep, eat, etc.Basically, this event is triggering because you've been stuffing small towns full of big investments, and building other towns, but ignoring your initial population.Also, we live in a feudal society, as may have been forgotten. We literally own all these lands. We would need to allocate fields to be repurposed for the expansion of the city.
>>41536286Well, we can actually table this for the moment, since I've been running for an hour longer than I meant to, and I still need to run all our stat math again. NEXT TIME, ON IRON AND HATE: WELCOME BACK TO HOLDING MANAGEMENT. WARGAMES. AND A BIRTH.
>>41536286> SOMEWHERE in your territory, 940 soldiers are finding places to sleep, eat, etc."Ma! There's a soldier in the Well!"
>>41536286Expand the hamlet into the next stage(small town?)When we do that, meet with our architect to make the town more defensive. Every little bit helps in war, might as well add some discreet defenses.
>>41536286I misunderstood your earlier posts and thought that this was a banner-chief asking for assistance, not land we owned directly. But sure, we can upgrade at the end-of-month house actions.I always considered that Defense holding such as castles were cities unto themselves, and Hamlets were additional to that.
>>41536339Archive it.19, not 18, though.
>>41536339running agin this week?>>41536347"leave em sonny, they're training for war."
>>41536339We still need our armor porn damnit! Give us pics!
>>41536339Thanks for getting us home Page, and thanks for running tonight
>>41536367>"leave em sonny, they're training for war.""Ma, does war involve a pile of naked, sweaty men?""Only the good ones, sonny. Only the good ones."
>>41536339Any chance you're running this again this week?
>>41536363Already done, and compensated for.>>41536361Right? I feel the same way. I actually intend to unveil my response about this next thread.I feel Castles should include some of the Holding options for free, given their cost. So Korbis is going to bring up that you're not using the castle to its full potential, and basically give you a free holding in the castle That's why I didn't list your Artisan blacksmith or castle staff in the things in the town, I assume they;re in the castle.>>41536367>>41536407It's highly unlikely, I'm afraid. I'm out of town Friday-Monday this weekend, and Friday-Saturday next weekend, due to bachelor parties/weddings. If I did, it would have to be tomorrow or Thursday, and I think I arranged to do something Thursday. Tell you what, I'll take a look at the stuff I have planned, see if I can break it down and get it sorted. If so, we might run a late thread tomorrow, to push us to the birthday, so that next week, we can potentially time-jump to the Rebellion, or set up the next few years of actions pre-Rebellion.
>>41536461I look forward to it, I love your writing Page, thank you very much for sharing it with us!
remember to vote on the thread in the archives, everyone.
>>41536461Actually, I just thought of something. It's iffy, but we'll see. Because Saturday, at the moment, I have nothing planned. But I'm also alone in my childhood home without my normal stuff/friends around. So I'll throw the stuff for this on my flash drive, and if I don't have any plans, I'll run Saturday afternoon or night. In either case, I'll post on twitter whether we're a go or not each day. Tomorrow's pretty unlikely, but I can probably swing Saturday, assuming my hangover isn't killing me.>>41536378>>41536086My armor terms are a little rusty, and I haven't found a pic that moves me to say "YES, that's the suit" yet. By next Tuesday's run, I'll have something great for you guys.
We should send a raven to lord tywin, and offer to teach Tyrion the ways of war and lordship, while also drawing the comparison that. Cersi Inherited Tywins Pride, Jaime his skill at arms, and Tyrion his Mind, and as lord tywin should know a skilled subordinate is a Horrible thing to waste.
>>41536544no. no. a thousand times no. We have no reason in character or out to do that.
>>41536530We should actually consider switching to the Longaxe now that we have our DREADNOUGHT. It's much more powerful the the Crowbill and we don't really need the shield as much.
>>41536530Is the color of the armor just black or is it speckled with gold paint? To represent his youth in the Westerlands, and also 'cause gold & black is a cool combination of colors.Pic unrelated.
>>41536544Nah, I was hoping that Tywin would make Tyrion our page/cup-bearer as kind of a backhanded gift, but we missed that chance. And honestly, I feel like Baelish will be more than enough for us to deal with.
>>41536598Not heavy enough and I don't think we would go for the skull theme so much as the HUGE theme.It has to be grey to fit our nickname.
Can someone explain the properties of our new armor? I get that it gives us more HP, but what does bulk effect?
>>41536750>but what does bulk effect?Movement, I think.Can't go as far as we would without it, but we're a fucking damage sponge with it on.
>>41536750All hits we receive are reduced by 15 points of damage. You pretty much have to hit us with a meteor strike to phase us.Our Combat Defense is reduced by 6. It's easier to hit us than normal due to being HUGE.Combat defense is the number to beat to hit us.Awareness+Agility+Athletics-Armor PenaltyOurs is 6 I think after armor penalty? Not sure, Page will have to get back to you. Attacks deal extra damage for every 5 full points they exceed our defense. Most attacks against us will "hit", but will have to exceed by like 20 to get past our damage reduction.Bulk is a measure of how much slower we are in our armor. Don't know the specifics of that either, but I think we move at about half our normal speed.
>>41536826for reference, I think we would have to roll over 30 to damage ourselves, and we are in the top 10 fighters in Westeros.
No joke, the most threatening thing we face now is actual Siege Weapons. They are pretty much the only thing that can hurt us at this point, as most of them ignore armor. It feels good when the proper weapon to wield against you is "A fucking ballista"
Heyyy, can our architect improve the Morderengrad like so?
>>41536750Technically, it gives DR. Every blow against you has its damage reduced by 15 points. This means that a large amount of damage from each blow will be negated.Bulk is a measure of how much your equipment slows you down. For every 2 points of bulk, you lose 1 yard from your base movement speed (4 yards per turn), to a minimum of 1. Shields have bulk as well as armor. So a normal knight in plate with a large shield has a bulk of 4, reducing his speed by half. A knight who put on our Dreadnaught armor and carried a Tower shield would be reduced to the absolute minimum movement speed, moving so slowly that even at a sprint, he couldn't catch a lightly armored opponent. Because of your armor mastery, you'll move at -1 yrd per turn if you don't carry a shield, and -2 if you do.>>41536826My math agrees with you, but my recorded numbers don't, claiming you have 12 CD before armor, though your skills say you should have 11. Huh. Maybe it's a typo, maybe I'm forgetting something. I'll look into it.
>>41536358AgreedI think we should definitely upgrade the size of our town but do it well, even if it costs us a bit more now. Bordain's definitely the type to want to do any job as efficiently and skillfully as he can AND he's spent most his life around disciplined military encampments, I don't see him letting the town grow at random where it'll risk overcrowding, poorly layed out streets and sanitation difficulties.I vote we get our architect, maester, a few top captains, maybe a mason or two and anyone else we think might be able to help, meet and plan the most effective possible layout for our city. Then send them away to do research / think on it alone before holding a few more meeting. Make the town an absolute monster for our foes fight their way through (insomuch as possible given its size), basically the civil engineers equivalent of a perfectly forged set of full-plate with NO grinding knees to worry about. Oh and not to mention, this level of planning should make it function better than just about anywhere else in peacetime too.
>>41537432>Ironborn faces when
>>41536842That is accurate, inaccurate, and misleading, all in one post. Nice.Your accuracy comes from the fact that, given your weapon's damage, you would need over 5 degrees of success to harm yourself.However, that's inaccurate because you can't GET 5 degrees of success. The system caps at 4. So you can NEVER hurt yourself with an attack.However, you're not really playing to your strengths with your weapon. Or, rather, to STRENGTH. A fighter with as low as Fighting 4 could reliably hurt you with a different weapon choice, and some bonus dice. A Standard Knight from the core book with a longsword, for instance, will deal 3 damage to you 1 out of every 6 swings. (16.6%) Though you will, on average, deal 3 damage to him EVERY swing, dropping him in 3 rounds.That same knight wielding a greatsword, on the other hand, would deal a lot more damage, inflicting 6 damage on 2 degrees of success (16 or higher, with his dice pool...56%) and 13 on 3 degrees (that same 16.6% chance) So a Knight wielding a Greatsword would have a 1 in 6 chance of dropping you in a single blow, or a 56% chance of more than halving your health. This is one of the reasons Jaime talks about how fighting skill is relative in...I wanna say the 3rd book. Yes, Jaime is BETTER than the Mountain. But that doesn't mean he will BEAT the Mountain. Speaking of, guess which character has a Base damage of 17, and Keeps 6 dice when he rolls? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. That means the Massive Cunt One-shots MAMMOTHS with his swings.
>>41537710Good thing he's got all kind of malus going for him, heh?
>>41537710I've been trying to find the links to the rules you posted on how to upgrade our holdings, mind reposting them Page?
>>41537710>Speaking of, guess which character has a Base damage of 17, and Keeps 6 dice when he rolls? It's Podrick Payne, isn't it?Fucking Pod.
>>41537779Pod really has the Stranger's Own Luck, in that it gets him into hilariously shitty situations but always gets him out of it alive.
>>41537751http://pastebin.com/46BLMQ3MThis one you mean?
>>41537751Which ones? I confess, I've used a hodgepodge of systems. Originally, I used Core book and PrincelyDM's homebrews. (linked by this kind anon >>41537806)Then, I started making some of my own stuff. Then someone linked me Out of Strife, Prosperity, which I've been looking at and taking some of the ideas fromI thought there was a link to it in one of the recent threads, let me look. Aha, it was Squire's first thread, not one of mine. https://archive.moe/tg/thread/41327948/#q41335147>>41537779Podrick Payne is unstatted in the Campaign Guide. No doubt to keep the game mildly believable.
>>41537779>>41537788>>41537834Man, reading Pod saying that Tyrion left him all alone hurt me more than it should.
>>41537834>>41537806That Anon linked that right one, was looking for the one that listed the upgrade to our city (like guilds and stuff)Couldn't find anything on how much it cost to advance a hamlet to a small town though. What are all the stages our town can go through when we ungrade it? (hamlet>small town>large town>city>ect ect)
>>41537903I haven't seen any direct rules for it either. I'd rule, given the costs of the towns as pre-existing features, you simply pay the difference in Lands between the level you have and the level you desire, and an escalating cost in population/law.Build times I got nothing on.
Is it possible to get a valyrian steel weapon, or is that something you can only get throgh house creation, or by stealing/ finding a existing one?(for example going on a quest to find House Lannister's Brightroar)
>>41538004You can conceivably acquire Valyrian Steel Weapons in a variety of ways, either buying them at a ridiculous price, or as you say, questing to find missing weapons. You could even find one, and then have it reforged into not a sword, since I'm a little irritated that they're all swords in the books. Offhand, a couple that would be interesting to go look for are Blackfyre, Dark Sister, Lamentation, and Orphan Maker.
>>41538069Though WIELDING Lamentation might cause you a bit of trouble.
>>41538077I'm kinda curious page, could you link us William's statblock?
>>41538183Sure thingYOUNG ADULT FIGHTER/ROGUEGOAL: Wealth MOTIVATION: Hatred VIRTUE: Courageous VICE: AvariciousABILITIESAgility 4Animal Handling 3 Ride 1BAthletics 4 Awareness 3Cunning 3 – Logic 1BEndurance 3Fighting 6 – Axes 2BMarksmanship 4Persuasion 3 – Intimidate 1B, Charm 1B, Convince 1BStatus 5 -Stewardship 3B,Stealth 3Warfare 3 – Strategy 1BWill 4 QUALITIESBenefits: Hardened, Sinister, Head of House, Berserker
>>41538205Thanks man, but I have a few more questions, if you don't mind. Could you give me a rough idea of how tough William is to kill? I've been reading through the core rulebook, but shit's kinda confusing and I only know for sure that higher stats = better. Like, how easy is it for us to damage others and receive damage, and how do you figure out HP? Sorry for all the questions.
>>41538260>how tough William is to kill?1vs1? it would require some high tier player to kill us, Ser Lyn "Murdersalot" Corbray, Bronze Royce would be the only one that could do that in the Vale, maybe. In Westeross Proper you'd have The Viper/The Mountain/The Kingslayer/Robert for sure and maybe Dondarion/Stanis/Ned and some fucks from the Reach/Dorne whose names I'm forgeting
>>41538376Fuck I forgot Baristan the Bold in the sure thing
>>41538260Sure thing.Stats go on a scale from 1 to 7, with 7 being THE BEST AROUND. Jaime Lannister has a 7 in Fighting, for instance. a 2 represents "Standard" skill, while a 4 represents either a natural talent or continued training. HP is simply 3 times your Endurance Rank. Weapons deal damage based on your Athletics score, with POWERFUL weapons adding dice from Strength Specialization.That's how the Mountain does such a terrifying amount of damage, he has insane Athletics, and similarly insane Strength. He's also moderately more skilled than William, in that he has more bonus dice than you in his special weapon. As a comparison, against the average Knight, William is stronger, faster, and more skilled than the Knight. As noted, William will, on average, inflct at least SOME damage on every attack, ending the fight by the third round. The Knight, on the other hand, has only a 1 in 6 chance of even HURTING us. So, if you compare him against the average Knight or peasant, William is an untouchable god of war. William can fairly easily take on 3 Knights at one time, and walk away with only a few injuries before killing all of them.Meanwhile, a Knight of QUALITY, meaning one of the more elite knights, William is still faster and stronger, and still barely more skilled, but now the knight has more endurance. And his increased skill raises the odds of him hitting william strong enough to harm him to almost guaranteed, and the odds of a grievous blow to almost 59%. So William can trash any average knight he meets, but a GOOD Knight is gonna be a hassle. Versus a knight of the Kingsguard, the Knight is tougher than William, almost as skilled as him, and just as strong. William would not do well in a fight against such a knight. Granted, neither would the Knight, since William's average attack has a 49% chance of dealing damage to the knight, Right now, William's good at 2 things, hitting things, and absorbing blows from normal men.EXCEPT
>>41538403All the numbers I've been quoting? They rely on William deciding that shields are for pussies. WITH his shield? William can't be hurt by the average knight. It is impossible. The GOOD Knight now has only an 18% chance to hurt him at all, and a 0,2% chance of landing a notable blow.William Bordain, with his pick and shield, is capable of beating ANY non-named combatant he faces. EVENTUALLY. The Kingsguard Knight is still dangerous to him, and it's almost 50-50.However, if you wished to be cruel.It would take just two attribute boosts to change so many of the numbers. Hell, 1 Attribute boost would change the math considerably: A single boost to athletics would make you deal +1 base damage, AND raise your Combat Defense. If you had one more Athletics, and one more Endurance, I would bet on you against every non-named NPC in the game. I'd bet on you against half the named NPCs. In short, you're a terrifyingly intimdating tank, with precise attacks. However, what stops you from being a super tank at the moment is A: Your attacks don't hurt as much as they could, and B: Your defenses rely on DR. Anyone who overcomes it can wear you down quickly.
>>41538467Gaddam guess we're going all steel behemoth then.Oh and there is one Valyrian Axe that's owned by someone in the crownslands I think.
>>41537217>>41538467Hey, Page, is it possible to get our keep looking like this without the lake of lava beneath it?
>>41538467>Shields aren't actually for pussies confirmedOh man, that's pretty amazing, thanks Page. I guess we know what to get next time we get some EXP.
>>41538467Could you post the stat block of some of the named npcs for reference please? Or the page number in the main book if they are there (can't seem to find them).
>>41538490Yeah, though there are some things that can change some of the numbers. For instance, a Charge attack lowers a character's odds of hitting us, but raises the weapon's base damage. Reckless attacks make an opponent more vulnerable, but more likely to hit, etc. The numbers aren't perfect, but it's quite true that, with maybe 60 more XP, William would be one of the most terrifying fighters in Westeros, for pretty much the opposire reason as the Mountain: You CAN'T HURT HIM.Further, all my math has been avoiding something: William's preferred Weapon is Shattering. Meaning that, over time, he will tear the shields, and the ARMOR, off his opponents. However, this actually also marks the most useful strategy AGAINST him: It's acutally a lot easier for his enemies to trigger Shattering than it is for them to HURT him. So if you knew you had to face William Bordain on the battlefield, your best bet would be to send 10 knights with Warhammers at him. Sure, several of them would die, but his armor and shield would be shattered in roughly...3 rounds? Maybe 2, I'll have to check.>>41538502Is it possible? Yes. Though not really, since you're built on the side of a mountain. Also, an earlier thread resolved an idea more like Erebor, so I'd need a solid consensus vote to change that.>>41538509You're technically gaining XP all the time. I just haven't bothered to bring it up because...well, to be honest, because the XP system in the book is just complex enough that I don't want to learn it, so I've been rounding to "About 10 a thread." But I haven't wanted to be direct about that, because I keep MEANING to read the XP rules...I think I'll start making it X amount per thread, with options to increase it through cool ideas/roleplay/artwork/support work. >>41538520named NPCs are almost all in the Campaign guide, which was linked...I wanna say two threads ago. Definitely since this year's restart.
>>41538567>named NPCs are almost all in the Campaign guide, which was linked...I wanna say two threads ago. Definitely since this year's restart.Ok thanks, I'll definitely check that out.
>>41538567>Is it possible? Yes. Though not really, since you're built on the side of a mountain. Also, an earlier thread resolved an idea more like Erebor, so I'd need a solid consensus vote to change that.What if we built the castle up and around and into the mountain?
>>41538567>Also, an earlier thread resolved an idea more like EreborDoes it also come with 2 gigantic statues of us at either side of the gate?Because it should.
>>41538665Why waste our money on that?
>>41538567Well I just have a couple questions. I notice we get 2 bonus dice to axes, does the crowbill count as an axe or is it a hammer?Also it's been a while but did we pay for a son and a daughter as twins with our influence before the break?
>>41538643Sooo, like Erebor?
I don't think Erebor is something we'll be seeing in our lifetime, no matter how much money we throw at it, when we're not throwing it at our holdings.
>>41538678Does Erebor look like Ganon's Tower?
>>41538676Crowbill is a form of axe in this system which has the property of wrecking armor.
>>41538643In that case, yeah, totally. That project would take probably... around 20-25 years, and another 20 Defense investment, but doable.>>41538665It has more protruding out of the mountain, but the general discussed idea was of expanding back INTO the mountain. So it's less a gate, more a visible castle with extensive halls and rooms going into the castle. You could conceivably have the exterior castle designed into some shape or signifier.>>41538671Because it menaces with spikes?>>41538676The crowbill sits solidly in the Axe Category. Don't ask me why, that's where the designers put it, and I just recommended the item in the first thread years ago.And yes, you paid for a first born son and a daughter. That may mean they are twins, or that your son will be born, and barring sudden accidents, that you WILL have a daughter later.>>41538678I see it as an expanded idea. Like, the Ganon-esque design would require building ON TOP of the mountain. Erebor basically hollowed out the mountain. This would be hollowing out and adding on. >>41538681The system for this actually has notably quick build times, as far as super-castles go. The highest core category of castle has a maximum build time of a mere 17 years, and multiple ways to decrease that time.
>>41538705No, it looks like Erebor. Which is much more defensible than a tower.
>>41538567Could we bump up soome of our stats now? Maybe roll for our town's resources? (I miss putting points into our glorious wealth generator)
>>41538726By the way, does the shattering apply before or after you apply damage?I.E. if you get two or more successes with the crowbill would it do the same damage as a battleaxe on the first attack?
>>41538726>... around 20-25 years>not 7hahahahaha, just kiddinSo, revenge on Robert and Tywin: I think we should seize on what we can when the parentage of Cersei's children is called into question. But how to go about gaining that knowledge, and when to use that knowledge, is difficult to imagine.
>>41538747HHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.In all honesty, we COULD, but I don't want to leave people who have already dipped out of the loop on a decision like that. Also, I should be in bed, I just don't want to go do the half hour of stuff I have to do before I sleep, so I'm staying here and watching Atop the Fourth Wall rather than confront my problems, at least partly because of a mildly unsettling thing my mother said to me today.
>>41538760Well Tywin wanted us to get closer to Arryn anyway right? What if we eventually end up delivering information to Stannis or Stark?
>>41538760Well, we could try becoming Hand of the King.
>>41538756I would say... before. which doesn't do what you're insinuating it does, because shattering attacks the Combat Defense bonus of shields, making the target easier to hit in general, and then the armor bonus of armor, which changes the END damage, not the base damage.>>41538760Is it, though? I mean, it's not like we're currently building a friendship with the first person to get that knowledge in the books, who's tragic death starts the entire novel series.
>>41538790You're right, we haven't done anything of the sort! Man, why does Ned Stark have to be such a lone wolf all the time?
>>41538804The combination of willful ignorance of the point, and a moderately stealthy pun make me simultaneously very pleased with this post, and make me want to slap you.
>>41538804He's talking about Arryn, bro. Jon 1st discovered that the Baratheons kids weren't Baratheon at all.Which remind me...Jon got poisoned by his wife right? We can say that she did that one CIA's order but why is it that it's Littlefinger and not Varys that made that move?Do I need to go a layer deeper on the Shadowrunning?
>>41538854This discussion is spoiler territory, so I'm going to spoil it.My understanding is it relates directly back to Littlefinger's "Chaos" Speech, and his seeming modus operandi. Littlefinger intentionally stacks up plans and schemes, and then inflicts a state of chaos on an area, to maximize the odds that he will come out ahead when the dust settles. By having Jon Arryn killed, he knows Ned is the next guy up. A couple hints here and there that Jon was murdered, and of course Honor-bound Ed is going to investigate the murder of his essentially adoptive father. That's going to pit Ed against Cersei. EITHER Ned gets fucked, leaving Catelyn open for Littlefinger to swoop in, or Cersei gets fucked, leading to a split between the Crown and the Lannisters, meaning he never has to pay Tywin for all the money he's embezzling.
>>41538934That explains the whole riverboats plan, the dastardly man is trying to murder the Royce's by sending boats full of steel to Runestone that then sink and fill the harbour, stopping all the Royce's boats and so forth. Why didn't we see it earlier???!!!
I think we should only trust Littlefinger as far as we can throw him, so trusting him when we're both in the Eyrie should be possible.
>>41538934Aye, but Varys has been working to put a Targ back on the Throne since the end of the War.For him to have been that "invisible" in the early game on such a move is disutrbing, as if he knew it'd happen that way and did nothing to change it's course(just as planned much?)That would make Varys far more dangerous that Littlefinger since The Spider would seems a step ahead of The Mockingbird, as in us fucking Littlefinger's shit up would work for himFucking GoT man, too much shadowrun.
>>41539149So why don't we just y'know stay in our nice safe murder castle?
>>41539183Nothing vengeanced, nothing gained!
Can we use chaos to counter-act chaos?
>>41539206Um, no chaos + chaos = more chaos.It's also kind of rude.
Hrmm, would it be possible to pin the blame for the poisoning on the Viper?
>>41539149I've always thought that Varys' goals make an interesting counterpoint when weighed against the theorized reasons for Rickard Stark's "Southron Ambitions".Minor theoretical spoilers for Dances with Dragons:If you haven't heard the theory, it boils down to this: Brandon Stark was going to marry Catelyn Tully. Lyanna Stark was going to marry Robert Baratheon. Those are three of the seven Great Houses now bound in marriage. Before he was made a Kingsguard, Jaime was supposed to marry Lysa Tully. And you know who are roughly the same age? Cersei Lannister and Eddard Stark. Basically, the five Great Houses other than Tyrell and Martell were moving to all be inter-joined by marriage, AND at that time, all their lords were war buddies from the War of Ninepenny Kings. This might have been a move by the Great Houses to force Aerys to abdicate for his son, or to grant political concessions. One has to wonder, were these plans supported by Varys, who's support for the Targaryens moved him to remove a "bad apple", or were they opposed by him?>>41539206Conceivably. One can prevent great fires by setting smaller ones, for instance. The trick is knowing where to set the fire. >>41539241Jon Arryn's poisoning? Not without some extreme shenanigans. Jon Arryn was basically the only guy who walked away from Robert's Rebellion NOT hated by Dorne.
>>41539284>Before he was made a Kingsguard, Jaime was supposed to marry Lysa TullyEhhh, more like Elia Martell if I recall.And Cercei to Rhaegar.
>>41539383Nope. Storm of Swords, Chapter 11. Jaime comes home, and Cersei tells him Tywin plans to marry him to Lysa Tully.Though you are correct on the second one: Tywin did intend to marry Cersei to Rhaegar. I spaced on that one. Should have known better, the whole prophecy scene should have reminded me.Well, even that isn't against the idea; Force Aerys to abdicate, and now the King has to face the fact that most of his Great Houses are now his cousins.That really just leaves the idea of where Eddard was going to end up. Dorne? The Reach? Eh, maybe nowhere. Maybe the plan didn't need him.
>>41539383Oh right I see what you mean by being maried to Lyssa, nvm that then.
>>41539452>Eddard was going to end up. Dorne?With the sister of Arthur Dayne most likely.
>>41538991>trust Littlefinger as far as we can throw himWhat? No, why would you trust him that much?Seriously, I bet we could throw him a fair distance if we tried.
>>41539883Because we could throw him really far off the Eyrie.
>>41534937ironborn a best
>>41538760That's exactly why I want us to quietly keep building our army.I think page said in numbers we currently control about 2% of The Vale's military without our neighbors complaining too much. We could maybe get it to 3% now we've made some friends and our nearest neighbour is family. If we agree to rotating half our army away on mercenary contracts across the narrow sea not only do they gain experience (and us wealth) but then we could increase our army to effectively 6% of the Vale's military without anyone noticing. PQualitatively almost all our forces are elite in training, that's Unsullied-level. Once we max out our army numbers-wise we can focus on bringing everyone up to elite-level (maybe with the help of some experience campaigning in Essos). An army 6% of all military forces in the entire Vale, all trained to a legendary degree would probably make us one of the most militarily powerful lords in the seven kingdoms. We could tear through almost fucking anyone.We also REALLY need to start using our wealth to upgrade more of our units and give them castle-forged steel. These draw from our wealth resource rather than power so we can do it simultaneously and there's a huge difference between the threat posed by elite cavalry and the threat posed by elite cavalry outfitted with the finest arms and armour House Bordain can forge - that is - the finest arms and armour in west of valyria. Seriously, it's an incredible difference stats-wise!I also like sinking some wealth into these upgrades because, it's less obviously threatening than hiring another 100 soldiers, we've bought just about every wealth producing investment we can so we might as well use that wealth for something now and we're THE Iron Lord - the arms dealer to the entire realm, our army better fucking be the best equipped force there is.
>>41539883>>41539883>>41539883Yeah, you're right. After all, we are a pretty big guy
>>41540473We could also 'upgrade' and train Lord Tollet's army so that even if they are not 'our' men, they've got the skills/quality of House Bordain.We could even do training exercise to get some camaraderie between the two Houses armies
>>41540473I like most of these ideas, but perhaps we should focus on fully training and outfitting units as we raise them. Though it will probably take more time and resources, it feels more in keeping with our dedication to forging the greatest weapons in the realm.Speaking of great weapons, I'd very much love to pursue a Valyrian steel weapon once the opportunity presents itself, and if we can get it reforged into an axe or crowbill even better.In regards to our future plans, I think we should try and keep most of our machinations on the down-low, considering our aspirations are almost entirely treasonous. The warg boy should prove to be an invaluable asset, and one I'd rather see us keep as our trump card, so it would be wise to not announce his nature to the wider Westeros, or at least pass it off as another rumour about the Grey Giant who drinks the blood of his foes. When he's not training with the Maester, I'd suggest we make him our cup-bearer, should the position not already be filled by our squire. It probably wouldn't hurt to foster a friendship between the two boys, lest they begin to resent each other. When we go ahead with the town expansions, it wouldn't hurt to build it full of hidden redoubts and stockpiles, in addition to the fortifications we'll inevitably surround it with.Finally, I'm going to try my hand at drawfagging Bordain, so if anyone can help me with a few details that'd be great. Do we have any descriptions of William outside of his weight and height? Hair, eyes, build, current age, etc. Does the Dreadnought plate share any similarities to the Bloodsmiths', like the apron and gauntlets, and what style of helmet do people envision or prefer? Also, assuming we decided shields aren't for pussies, what type of shield are we going to wield? Will we go with an equally fuckhuge tower shield, or something a little more mundane?
I had an interesting idea. Why not send lord Tywin Thanks for training us as his squire i am thinking a single gold Bar from the mines. and a single Bar of Iron for every year we were in his service.sending the bars to Jewelers in the other lords court, the one that cannot control his men. the face of each bar should be carved into a rendition of a notable event from our training,The Gold bar Our father saving him, the Steel bars other lessons the man taught us. Penny for your thoughts?
>>41541915>I'm going to try my hand at drawfagging Bordain, so if anyone can help me with a few details that'd be great.Well, for starters, he always wears a helmet with a visor. Yes, even to bed. He and his wife do the Spider-Man kiss.
>>41541915>what type of shield are we going to wield?The gundam shield with a seven-pointed star on it.
>>41541915>our aspirations are almost entirely treasonous.Whatchu mean? We just want to make the lands we've been given a little safer is all, and profit like mad off of whatever we can.We still gotta wait for opportunities to present themselves, gotta be PATIENT.
>>41542237Oh, I certainly agree, but it would put one hell of a dampener on our plans if any birds, spiders, or threatened neighbours got suspicious and stormed our lands before we got our opportunity. It also gives us a non-metagamey reason to control who comes and goes in our lands, if we weren't already doing so.
>>41541315Agreed. I wanted to mention this but I figured I'd written enough. Nothing dramatic but definitely encourage him to take advantage of our very generous family discount on equipment. And while you're doing that you might as well invest some Power in improving their training, which is the perfect opportunity for some inter-house training exercises.>>41541915Also completely agreed here. I think every new unit we raise should be elite and fully upgraded. Not only more appropriate to our character but takes better advantage of separate resource pools and makes it look like our army isn't growing as fast which makes us look less MURDERLORDOFIRONANDHATE.Seconding your suggestions on the warg. Lets give him a real wide education with lots of mentoring from the maester but also a bit of martial training from a couple of our captains, fieldcraft from our guerrillas and Painted Dogs and anything else we think might benefit him from anyone else we trust to keep it dead secret. No idea what we'll do with him but lets keep our options open and see where his talents lie. And do whatever we can to make sure he's loyal. Liking the hidden redoubts and stockpiles. Maybe a couple of stone blockhouses with enough plaster and thatch over the top to make it look like a normal flammable peasant dwelling in the town but in reality filled with furious Bloodsmiths ready to charge out when the enemy turns their back. Of course with our army I don't think the town will ever get attacked and war reaches the village at the foot of our keep then we're pretty fucked but my god will this planning make sure we exact a bloody toll for every step they advance through our streets.In peacetime we can fill them with supplies of grain for winter and weapons to rapidly raise peasant levies. Given Mordenfeld is a miniscule hamlet at this stage, even upgrading the settlement will still leave it a tiny village and most of these plans are more to guide longterm development
>>41542555>>Storm our landsI'm honestly doubtful anyone short of the Arryns could singlehandedly storm our lands. Even an alliance of our neighbors would struggle given the training of our forces.
>>41542671Maybe the Owl-man could train him in warging!
>>41542756If Robert and/or Tywin found out I'd expect we'd have more than just the Arryns marching on us, but fair point, I'd just like to give us the biggest head start we can manage.
>>41538765>and watching Atop the Fourth WallWHY
>>41542915Despite our martial strength, I'd be hesitant to try and get our vengeance through force of arms alone. At the very least we should continue to work our way into Jon Arryn's good graces, and see what we can do with even greater leverage.Even still, I'd be wary of allying with the Ironborn. I don't know if Balon has yet earned his reputation as a spiteful bastard, but once we've inevitably wrecked islander face in two years time I doubt he'd have much love for us. If Balon was deposed or killed, I'd wager we'd have similar luck with his brothers or children. Victarion might learn to respect our skill at arms, but he cares enough for Balon that he'd have little love for us. If Robert listens to wise counsel for once and actually gets rid of the Greyjoys we may find the Iron Islands under more amiable rule, but this all relies on too much speculation and foreknowledge, especially with all the ripples we cause in the timeline.
>>41541915>going to try my hand at drawfagging BordainDo it well and I'll suck your dick!>what style of helmet do people envision or prefer?Must be something Sauron-esque. We've already decided to embrace the Dark Lord image.>The warg boy should prove to be an invaluable asset, and one I'd rather see us keep as our trump card, so it would be wise to not announce his nature to the wider Westeros,Agreed. A skilled Warg is the /ultimate/ scout and spy. See that bird over there? It just stole ALL YOUR SECRETS AND KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING!>>41541315>Lord Tollet's armyFirst step is to build new roads. We must connect our lands more directly and increase the level of mingling and exchange between our people.
>>41543351Okay, maybe it's like, we're all in a pool, all of Westeros is a pool, and we have a key to a cage, the key is the the Kraken's children, and in the cage is a big damn Kraken. The Kraken would be dangerous to us if we let it out, however, it'd also be dangerous for anyone else nearby.
>>41538760I feel like the ideal revenge would be to be the King's Hand or at least in the area, and be the first to discover Jaime and Cersei's secret and then just laugh and laugh. Like the two of them made a complete mockery of Tywin and Robert, and by keeping our mouth shut, we get to prevent a war and act like their allies, all while laughing behind their backs. Maybe tell them on their deathbeds, just to see the look on their faces.
>>41543435My plan is to tell Robert on his deathbed that he got maximum cucked, right after we finish writing his will. Then we take the incestuous bastards into our custody, and proclaim their parents' crimes to all the realm.
>>41543435Jaime's our friend for now, the vengeance was never against him, but his father.
>>41543392Huh, that might just work. Control his heirs, make it out that we're only acting under Tywin's orders, and maybe insinuate that the Lord of Baby-Murder had to do his job again, and an enraged Kraken with nothing left to lose throws his remaining raiders against the Westerlands.
>>41543512Hey, Jaime really shouldn't have broken his oaths. Besides, if all goes according to planon, he really helped us in tearing his father's legacy a new asshole.
>>41543534Oh, I was implying that we could always give them back while everyone else is preparing to attack the Iron Lord and not defend against the Ironborn.
>>41543435>by keeping our mouth shut, we get to prevent a war and act like their alliesNo, we aren't the only player in the game. If we discover the secret, but refuse to use it, we're just letting someone else use it.If the Spider and Little finger discover it like in cannon, then they'll use it for their own end and we'll just get caught up in their shit storm.
>>41543537>Jaime really shouldn't have broken his oaths.I doubt Bordain cares about that type of oath.
>>41543555And Littlefinger has an Indigo Child as one of his besties. We need to kill him quickly.
>>41543572The one where you agree to not fuck your sister? More than once?
>>41543596She is one of the most beautiful women in the Seven Kingdoms. Plus if Jaime brings up the whole "twins become whole" thing, then he might understand.Not really agree with it, but he'd understand, at least.
>>41543572>I doubt Bordain cares about that type of oath.Jaime dug the hole he's in.
>>41543632He might understand, still wouldn't stop him from seeing the whole thing as a gift from the Seven in his quest for revenge and success.
You ever think our family names sound like Bidet and Toilet?
>>41543768Not for us.
>>41543487Out of interest, and maybe just a tiny bit of bias, how well would Stannis and William get along? I doubt he'd be impressed by our child-murdering antics, but it certainly shows an unwavering dedication to our duty. If our plans remain relatively lawful, he'd probably bear us little ill will past serving the Lannisters, but building a genuine friendship with the Arryns would hopefully indicate an honorable character. We also share a common grievance with Robert, that may give us just enough common ground to earn his ear when the time comes. The way I'm thinking, come the War of Five Kings, Stannis may be the best candidate for William's (and perhaps the Vale's, provided we're that influential) support, given how our values would seem to align.
>rolls out of bed two hours after he should have.>sees thread is alive.>>41540473According to official information, the Vale can muster 45,000 soldiers if brought to war. You have 940. That's 2.08% of the overall force. I did learn that at least one other house can rival you in terms of numbers, though their quality is never discussed. >>41541915>DrawfaggingHere's the notes I have:>William Bordain stands 6’6” and weighs almost 240 lbs. He is 20 years old, His hair is dark and shaggy, his brow heavy and dark. His eyes are blue, his jaw square. Personally, I envision him with 5 o clock shadow. You currently wield a "large Shield", but not a tower shield.>>41543141Really, it's because for July/Aug, I end up with a lot of excess time on my hands, so I watch SOMETHING. As far as I'm concerned, the show's fine for my purposes: varying in length, but generally roughly the length of a standard TV show episode, informative about a topic I enjoy (comics), and pertaining to "bad art" in a way I can relate to. I can understand why people wouldn't like the show. Hell, it took me years to get around to it, because I found his voice irritating. Then, one day, I just didn't. Don't know what changed.>>41543582>indigo Child.HA,>>41543435You know, it's never come up in the quest whether or not you ALREADY know their secret.
>>41543835Will spent the night with them once. ONCE.
>>41543835>HA,hey waitaminute, Indigo's the lesser known and used color of the rainbow!
>>41543881Oh, were you not referencing the "Indigo Child" childcare movement of the 90's? I assumed you were making a fairly obscure joke, so I laughed.
>>41543921You never heard of Indigo Prophecy?
>>41543835>those reasons for watching At4WEh, I guess.I was watching it when I was 14 or 15 and sorta grew out of it.I do appreciate it for introducing me to some good comics, though.>the spoilerMaybe Bordain has a suspicion but no real evidence for it.
>>41543921>I assumed you were making a fairly obscure joke, so I laughed.Mind explaining the joke?
>>41543835>spoilerKinda metagaming, but we don't have any other paths to go on besides building up our military and chumming it up with neighbors. Until we're in a position where we have the knowledge IC and can use it to our advantage, we can't really do anything besides fight off Ironborn.
>>41543976Indigo Child's just a term, it's not a joke.
>>41544019I'm the one who used the term in the first place, you know-nothing nerf-herder.
>>41544034They are saying the didn't get the reference and thought you were making an obscure joke.What is Indigos Child then if it's not a joke?
>>41543960>>41543994Maybe we harbored an awkward crush on Cersei while squiring for her father, and when we confided in Jaime about it he got unusually uncomfortable.
>>41543932Vaguely. Video game, trippy storyline, right? Wait, are there two different forms of media that refer to "indigo children"? That's kind of weird. >>41543976The Indigo Children movement was a New Age psuedo-science movement started in the 70's, that got popular in the 90's, that believed some kids were straight-up magic. (Technically, the mainstream interpretation was instead for a specific personality type that was empathic and intelligent, and might need special handling because of it, but there were proponents of the theory who asserted indigo Children could possess paranormal activity such as ESP.)>>41543994>Kinda metagamingWhich part? That you may have noticed Jaime and Cersei acting strangely in the 6 years you lived in their house, where you and Jaime grew to be "like brothers"?>>41544012The term is widely considered useless by members of the scientific community, given that its criteria are vague enough to be applied to many children, and positive enough that some parents use it to avoid acknowledging their children's misbehavior or social disorders.It doesn't help the term comes from the inventor's assertion that she was encountering more children with "Indigo auras", as she believes her form of synthesia lets her perceive auras.As such, I assumed the joke was using an unscientific term for "magical children" to refer to a child we have openly seen IS magic. >>41543960Shrug. I didn't start watching it until this year, so I don't really have any stigma attached to it of childishness.But, I'm also well known for having very little in the way of taste. I know good things when I see them, I just show little preference to them, because I often enjoy seeing all the problems with a thing as much as seeing a thing without problems. I blame watching MST3K in my formative years.
>>41544140A brief crush, to be sure.>>41543921Will the Bordain family get twins or will there be one son, then later a daughter?
>>41544259>Indigo Children explanation.I know. I used Wikipedia to look it up.
>>41544259>Which part? That you may have noticed Jaime and Cersei acting strangely in the 6 years you lived in their house, where you and Jaime grew to be "like brothers"?.... are you saying that our character actually knows about the incest and you never mentioned it? What the fuck?>>41543960>Maybe Bordain has a suspicion but no real evidence for it.You have never needed evidence to ruin someone, just a good enough accusation.Sending anonymous letters to the right people could fucking destroy the Lanninsters.
>>41544418I'm saying that, in-story, it's never been revealed if you know or not. It wouldn't be out of line for you to know it, but it also isn't unimaginable you don't. It IS worth noting that, in the early threads, you really only acted in a cheerful, caring manner with three people: your captains, your wife, and Jaime Lannister. Hell, you acted more friendly with Jaime than you did your own parents. Further, I've always operated under a distinction you don't seem to be: You want revenge on TYWIN, not "The Lannisters". Those are two separate entities. Jaime didn't make you snap Aegon's neck. Cersei didn't convince you to take a pick to Rhaenys' skull. Tyrion didn't tell you to wait outside while the Mountain...handled...Elia. You hate Tywin Lannister for making you do an evil thing. You hate Robert Baratheon for making the evil thing necessary, and then rewarding you for it.
>>41544418Could we really do that to Jaime though? Are we so eager for vengeance that we'd see him and three more children die to achieve it? We locked ourselves away for two years for what we did under orders, how long are we going to disappear for when the deaths are our sole responsibility?Even if we had our suspicions, I feel we'd be too blinded by our friendship to actually believe such a thing of Jaime, though if compelling evidence surfaces in the future we may just have to.
>>41544586Getting revenge on Tywin is ruining the legacy he's strived so hard to build.
>>41544645At the cost of our best friend?If we didn't involve ourselves, perhaps we could even help Jaime escape, and then high-tail it to Essos as a scrappy buddy-knight duo on the run, or at the head of an elite mercenary company in the free cities.
>>41544738Hey, there's no time for friends who keep shooting themselves in the foot.
>>41544645That is ONE way, yes. Another is rendering him irrelevant. Or killing him.Or ruining his legacy in other ways. For instance, ensuring Jaime can never rule Casterly Rock by securing his position as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Or tainting his own children against his teachings. Manipulating events so that Cersei returns to Casterly Rock after the death of Robert, leading her to drive the Lannister lands into the ground.Straight-up murder, while quoting his own lessons back to him, showing him that his lack of trust and misuse of others is what set the stage for his own downfall.These are all "revenges". Technically isn't your goal. Your goal is WEALTH, motivated by your HATRED of Robert and Tywin. Maybe you don't want revenge against them, but want to become like the Tyrells: powerful enough that they must bow to you, that you can know that you BEAT them. If your goal is to BEAT Robert and Tywin, there are even more options than if you want revenge.
>>41544645Or just laughing at him knowing his own children made a fool out of him, while not starting a war that will result in a lot of dead kids? And finding whoever else knows Jaime and Cersei's secret, and making sure they stay silent.
>>41544807Wealth is a zero-sums game, Page. Tywin has to get poorer if we want to get richer.
>>41544826No one is going to take the Lannisters' side on that one, they'll be humiliated. We just have to make sure that Joffrey doesn't have any power.>>41544826So, not really anything at all is your idea of revenge?
>>41544807Our motivations can change, you said it yourself.
You know what'd be the perfect way to beat Robert and Tywin in one stroke? Killing all the bastard pretenders.
>>41544807The greatest revenge we could take on him would be to sweep Casterly Rock from his grasp, good fucking luck doing that though
>>41544807I think getting our revenge makes for a more interesting game than becoming better than them.
>>41544868Living well is the best revenge, anon. If we create a successful legacy and get rich in the process, while Tywin's kids are all fuckwits and Robert's legacy is essentially stolen from him, and all we have to do is watch? That's hilarious.
>>41544807What are you talking about? Robert couldn't give less of a shit about our wealth and Tywin would just see our success as part of his legacy. Your ideas of revenge blow.
>>41544991I really really disagree. REVENGE is a sucker's game anon. Dig two graves and all that.
>>41545031It may be hilarious to you, but it's also fucking boring to play through.
>>41545053Again, our goal is wealth and our flaw is avarice. We're just fueled by spite.
>>41545106Our motivation and goals don't make any sense.
"It is not enough that I should succeed - others should fail."
>>41545106Our goal is to gather wealth so that we can deal with acting on our spite later. Because of our avarice, we shall except nothing less than the most perfect and ultimate revenge against our enemies.
>>41544830That's...not true at all? That's why Mints exist? But ignoring that, that argument works the other way: the richer you get, the less rich Tywin gets, which is another legitimate path to 'revenge', overcoming the fabulous wealth of House Lannister through the strength of our own metals and smiths.>>41544890True. I'm merely pointing out my arguments on why your arguments don't gel with past decisions and our current goals. If we change to Revenge as our goal, then it's a new set of tactics and strategems. Not better or worse than your current options, just different.>>41544933The ABSOLUTE Greatest Revenge would be causing a miscarriage/early death of Joffrey, and somehow rendering Cersei infertile, while ensuring that Jaime will never leave the Kingsguard while undercutting Lannister wealth. This forces him to rely on Tyrion for the continuation of his legacy, who he hates and who hates him, and weakens the chances of anyone respectable marrying Tyrion. In a single generation, he sees that his idea of a strong, enduring family is crushed by the vagaries of chance, and the promotion of "weak" bloodlines.>>41544991Then convince everyone to switch goals, I guess. Personally, I think you're wrong, as revenge has been shown to be a bad idea since...always, I guess. Sure, it's a more immediately graspable goal and outcome, but that doesn't make it inherently a more interesting story than that of a man seeking to dominate his opponents. >>41545053That latter objection is pretty useless, since it can be applied to ANY of our successes. Tywin basically instructed you to fuck him over during Robert's Rebellion. You think he forgot that? ANY move you make where you succeed makes Tywin look better for training you.And Robert will definitely care when he needs your money, soldiers, or weapons. Your idea of revenge is too small, anon.
>>41545250>Tywin basically instructed you to fuck him over during Robert's Rebellion.No, that didn't fuck him over, it saved him.
>>41545250>And Robert will definitely care when he needs your money, soldiers, or weapons.And when would that be? We're not needed at all, we're just the newest and shiniest lord.
>>41545318Then we fucking work harder. And honestly, that makes revenge even less feasible.
>>41545250>makes Tywin look better for training you.Smearing his family's name in the dirt makes him look foolish for training us. You ever think of it like that?
>>41545350I believe that's called, "Rearing a tiger and courting disaster".
>>41545250I think another ABSOLUTE Greatest revenge would just be killing the royal children and telling everyone that we're just doing the job Robert and Tywin gave us long ago, but it would be harder to achieve.
>>41545338So we're going to monopolize things now? And how do we do that?
>>41545250>your arguments don't gel with past decisions and our current goals. Our character thought to himself, "Oh, we'll see who has the fury, and I'll pay my debts in full!"That's not revenge motivating us?
>>41545147They make sense if you think of William's backstory and the world as it's been presented to him.Tywin Lannister is the most powerful Lord in Westeros because he's the wealthiest. That is the backbone of his power. His wealth buys they armies that his skills as a general then wield, it buys the influence he wielded to get Cersei married to Robert. So you need more money, so that no one can command you like they did. You need money, and men to armor yourself against their demands. Then you will never be the victim again. They will be.>>41545288>"Remember this moment. In the end, you have no one but yourself to rely on. You and your blood. Do not trust me, William, when you are a man. Do not trust Gold, or Oaths, or Honor. Only blood""Do not trust me, when you become a man. Trust only blood."Tywin doesn't trust you fully, why would he expect you to do the same?>>41545350Any public victory you gain against him is arguably because of the quality of your training. Sure, to the wide world, your successes make him look foolish, but Tywin would know your skills are because he taught you ruthlessness, taught you to take every advantage you could against an enemy. Tywin Lannister, for better or for worse, MADE you. You are, in some twisted sense, his son. >>41545463That's a solid option too.I'm super excited one of my threads has gone into auto-sage!Discussion like this is awesome in my eyes.
>>41545250That's not the ABSOLUTE Greatest Revenge, Robert gets to remarry if Cersei goes infertile. See, we need to act on this incest thing once Robert is about to die.
>>41545532>Tywin doesn't trust you fully, why would he expect you to do the same?This conversation's lost coherency, I thought you were referring to him ordering us to kill the children as fucking him over, when really that was his contribution to the winners of the war.
>>41545532>Tywin Lannister, for better or for worse, MADE you. You are, in some twisted sense, his son.We have a father, his name is William Ruttiger
>>41545547>Robert gets to remarry if Cersei goes infertile.I can find no evidence that such a law exists in Westeros. Hell, it's hard to find evidence that the concept of DIVORCE exists in westeros. The closest I found is the idea of annulments and, apparently you can have marriages "set aside", but all I find is that one character TRIED to have his set aside, and failed. Now, FROM the one example I found, it seems like it works on the basis that a King or High Septon can declare a marriage invaild, so it's likely that Robert could do it anyway. But you have a point, I was too focused at the moment on the idea of revenge against TYWIN, I forgot about also hitting Robert.>>41545589I grasped what you thought I was referring to. I was pointing out that the last lesson Tywin taught you before that was "Fuck everyone who isn't your family, including me."THAT'S what I was referring to.>>41545735Nice. Though, as a point, your father's name is Reynard.
>>41545847fuck, I missed it, you mentioned it all of one times
>>41545847Robert's the king, he can do whatever he wants.
>>41545547>>41545532>>41545250>>41545218I think there's a good ending down the line of we play our cards right. For the next few years preceding the Greyjoy Rebellion we continue to establish ourselves as a military and industrial powerhouse, and with our wealth work to earn the trust of our fellow Vale Lords. We continue playing along with Tywin's game, becoming Jon Arryn's confidant and chosen successor as Hand, in part because we remind him of the sons he couldn't keep, bearing Robert's stature and Ned's demeanor. Along the way we need to allay Royce's well-founded concerns that we're growing to fast for such a young house. When the rebellion comes around we serve at the forefront of battle, winning even greater renown, and the admiration of our foes, especially should we be foolish enough to wear the Dreadnought plate in naval combat. Returning home laden with gold awarded by the king and what we paid the Iron Price for, as well as new contracts for arms, armour and mercenaries from lords who witnessed our wares firsthand, we can start to really get the wheels in motion. Make ourselves more well known outside the Vale, in particular by frequenting Robert's tourneys where we can both befriend and ken the measure of even more worthy lords and knights. In Ned's seclusion we grit our teeth and entertain the king with our shared love of combat, preparing him to accept Jon's recommendation for a successor in due course. Given our boosted revenue streams, both from our contracts from within and without Westeros, and some clever countering of Littlefinger's schemes, we can offer our own candidate to serve as master of coin and back the Crown's expenses from our own coffers.Cont.
>>41545955When does Littlefinger kick it, though?
>>41545847Sorry, I was a little unclear, wanted to touch it up, in case someone reads this in the archives:The process of annulment is fairly straightforward: you go to the High Septon and state that your marriage wasn't valid: it was never consumated, or one of the parties didn't enter it willingly, etc. This means that, in the eyes of the Seven, it was never valid to begin with.It's the idea of a KING "setting aside" a marriage that's very vague. >>41545868True. It's one of those sad components of relative realism: your character calls his father "Father", because he has no REASON to say his name.I'm working on compiling a pastebin with character names, descriptions, etc, to avoid things like this. Hell, even I forgot our sister's name, and gave her a new one rather than hold up the thread. Now I have to decide which name to put down. They're not even SIMILAR. (She was originally Meghan, but I called her Britta in a later thread)>>41545904Many, many kings would disagree with you there. Sure, a King can do whatever he wants, but he cannot do it without consequences. And grave enough consequences can stop even Kings.You may recognize that this kind of issue is the exact reason the Anglican church exists, because the Pope refused to grant Henry the VIII a divorce.Granted, do I think there would be a huge issue if Robert divorced Cersei? No, I think he'd probably get away with it. But he'd piss off Tywin doing it. And THAT could be something you use as well.
>>41545955>chosen successor as HandDoes it work that way? I had thought the kings always got to choose their hands.
>>41545996Those names for our sister remind me of Family Guy and Community.
>>41546000They do. It is worth noting that Hands can suggest to the King who would be a worthy successor, so it's not impossible that befriending Arryn would lead to him recommending us to Robert, who might accept. >>41546034100% honesty, I definitely chose Britta because of that. I was like "at the moment, our sister is emotional, impossible to argue with, but someone we do care about. What name fits that?" And I was watching season...3? of Community at the time. There's a bunch of names and things in this quest that are references, but they're mostly to my personal life, so they slip by.
>>41545996I like Britta better.
>>41545847>I can find no evidence that such a law exists in Westeros.>he could "allow" her to join the Faith of the Seven, He's the king yo
>>41545955But where's the intimidation factor into all this?
>>41545972>When does Littlefinger kick it, though?When we have IC reason to kill him.We already suspect his hand in a plot against us. We know, from a meta perspective, that he's a scheming little cunt that likes to tear people down so he can swoop in and pick up the pieces for himself.This means that, as long as we remain suitably observant and watchful, we're likely to catch him pulling his shit sooner or later.Then we bury a warpick in his chest and add his skull to our throne.
>>41546109I mean Aegon IV coulda done it with his wife/sister if he wasn't a douche.Now, if Cercei had become infertile after Joffrey and Robert knew that he wasn't the father. He could use that to force her(read Tywin) into accepting the annulment
>>41545955>>41545218Without Baelish to interfere in the court's intrigues, Jon Arryn may survive to fully discover Cersei and Jaime's incest, with us in the position to either warn our friend away in time, or convince a vengeful Robert, through force of arms if necessary, to allow Jaime to take The Black, thus robbing Tywin of his heir for good without taking his life, severing both the primary Baratheon and Lannister bloodlines, and if we act fast enough, preventing any dead kids. At this point if the Lannisters haven't retaliated or preemptively killed Robert, I doubt he'd recover from the loss of Lyanna followed by the utter collapse of his new marriage, and the mockery he'd been dealt. If he doesn't start swinging for Tywin, he'll likely drink himself into more of a stupor, marry a whore from Fleabottom and disgrace the Crown, and eventually die a drunkard in a foolhardy hunt or Grand Melee, all of which would likely trigger a War of Some Number of Kings. Returning, to Tywin, if the incest is exposed and Cersei somehow survives she will surely be disowned, leaving Tyrion as his sole heir. His legacy in tatters and his status usurped by his upjumped squire, little is left for the Lion Lord but lament.In the broader picture, who could even guess at what comes next, the Starks would play a very different role, but maybe a strong north with the Kingslayer leading the defense of the wall could hold off the White Walkers, or perhaps we live long enough for Dany to finally return to Westeros, if Varys hasn't offed us by then.
Can we still go on adventures for Valyrian Swords, or are we too PATIENT now?
>>41546316With Varys I feel like our only move is to flip the fucking board. Like I don't know, it seems like the primary reason he stayed alive so long is that he convinced everyone he's essential.
>>41546433I feel like that would definitely be fun, but maybe not for a couple years? Like we have kids on the way and have work on our lands first. But yeah I'd be up for that.
>>41546433>>41546471I'm up for it, too.Or get it as a gift intended for our heir for when he, or she, comes of age and is ready to be the new Lord of Morderengrad.
>>41546548Isn't that what the Murder Keep is for?
>>41545972Hopefully before any of his schemes stop benefiting us. Remember, his money came from somewhere to start with, and if we can supplant him as the shrewdest moneymaker in the Vale he'd lose a of his scant influence. He may revel in Chaos, but the Grey Giant is makes a killing out of Order.>>41546000Ideally Jon proposes us as his protege and we've entertained Robert enough that he'd prefer us to some of his stuffier counsels.>>41546145Killing Ironborn; sending mercenary contingents across the known world to spread the name of the Iron Lord, the Grey Giant, the Bloody-Handed Hell-Smith of Murder Keep; becoming The Grim Hand of the Usurper; watching those who forced you into this life slowly crumble, while your iron shelters that which you treasure dearest; and the promise of future conquests.
>>41546561>Isn't that what the Murder Keep is for?They already inherit the castle.The Valyrian weapon is a gift.
>>41546433I'm sure we can find time to go Steel Hunting between the Greyjoy Rebellion and War of Five Kings, if we don't manage to win one before then.
>>41544260Hopefully not twins, if the lannister kids are the standard.
>>41544586>I'm saying that, in-story, it's never been revealed if you know or not.Seriously, do we know or not, because we can't actually read our characters mind. You need to tell us what skills and knowledge we have, so we know what to work with.>>41544633>Could we really do that to Jaime though? Are we so eager for vengeance that we'd see him and three more children die to achieve it? A simple way to do it, would be to send an anonymous message saying we know about the incest and he should take Cersie and head for Essos. Or in one month every Great House in Westeross will receive a message telling them about it.He'll know the accusation alone would be enough to cause a shit storm. And if Robert gains ANY reason to believe it, both their heads will be on pikes. He'd probably cut his losses, grab his sister, and run.We could drag the Lannister name -TYWINS name- through the mud, cut them off from the Iron Throne and put the Imp in line for succession. All without actually needing to kill anyone.Also, if we do know about our friend doing something so STAGGERINGLY stupid, convincing him to bail with as much gold as he can carry and start a new life somewhere is probably the best thing we could do for him. Honestly, if he keeps fucking his sister, sooner or later someone is going to learn about it and start a war.In cannon, we know at least 5 people found out. How many more must have learned over the years and had to be silenced?
>>41546604With the rebellion, it'd be nice if we could displace the Greyjoys and have the ruling family be one of the ones that mines or does more than just be shitty pirates.
>>41546674Or have it be the Harlaws.Richard Harlaw is pretty reasonable.
>>41546674Fuck you, they're awesome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jii1EsB9M
>>41546674If we excel during the campaign, it's more than likely we'll be in the final push on Pyke. If we're there, we can stop Robert from making a retarded decision and sparing Baylon.We can drive our warpick into his skull ourselves.
>>41546674House Harlaw would be my ideal choice, they're remarkably sensible for Ironborn, and the closest to mainland Westeros culture. Rodrick himself is a well-learned man, whose interests could very well prove valuable in the distant future.
>>41546755Nah, how about a giant cracker?
>>41546738Their house words are "we refuse to be a contributing member of society". Like... what's even their point? Repelling a possible invasion from Valyria?
>>41546815Fuck yeah, piracy!
>>41546833Outta my way, Greyjoy fucking shits.
So moving more to the short term, I think we should have a training session with Stefon, where we perform a 100-man challenge with our Green Infantry.In order to test our endurance (and give an IC backstory to spending some XP on Athletics/Endurance) we line up 100 green infantry and have them come at Stefon and us. They come two at a time and leave under the "first blood" rule described in the tournament chapter of the rules where they leave once they take an Injury.Imagine Stefon's face when we wake him up for some "light training"
>>41546883Marky Mark as Lord Bordain
>>41546647>Do we know or not?I'm loathe to give a straight answer right now, since the thread is dying, and I view the talks outside of an active thread as "unofficial", but I will rule right now that you know the following facts:At least once, you discovered Jaime and Cersei naked in bed together. NOT having sex.And you've noticed that Jaime and Cersei were unusually affectionate to each other in their young teens.You've never been CERTAIN they committed incest, or if it was just a "twins thing". You've also never really cared, since, until 4 years ago, you were living under a dynasty that had lasted 300 years, and openly and frequently indulged in incest. The major reason that Jaime and Cersei's incest is a big deal in the books is it invalidates Robert's heirs. Of which, Joffrey...shit. I've lost track of the timeline. Either he hasn't been born, or he's JUST been born.In short: you suspect they may have had sex, but you currently have no reason to believe that they continued to have sex, or are having sex post-marriage. Joffrey may shift your opinion on the matter. Assuming, of course, that he IS a bastard in this continuity.
>>41546893We could match ourselves against Elite Infantry and Stefon against our Green Infantry and compete to see who defeats the most opponents. We fight till we drop. The mooks go to first blood. How long can you survive the gauntlet?
>>41546976You want Stefon to die?
>>41546974He had been conceived right before our wedding. So he's probably in the last few months
>>41546988Practice swords all around of course. It's a test of endurance. He fights until he maxes out his injuries but doesn't take a wound.
>>41547020Then why is it first blood?
>>41546976He's not expected to make the full 100. We wont even be disappointed unless he goes less than a dozen.
>>41547064>"A loss is still a loss, Baki."
>>41546993Yeah, he was conceived during that week, I just lost track of how many months it's been since then. I'll look it up, but I suspect it's something like 7-8 months.>>41547064He...is still a child. You know that, right?Though typing that makes me realize that I've put a 4chan quest in charge of raising a child.>ded
>>41547121Bullshit, he's 14.
>>41547121>being 11>second son of a minor house>practice swordsmanship all day erryday>suddenly the Grey Giant shows up>hory sheit this dudes my hero>suddenly get to spar with Grey Giant>best day ever>suddenly get made squire to Grey Giant>stop my dick can only get so hard>leave home with new lord and his lady>paling around getting to know each other>SUDDEN PTSD>being 11 years old squire.>have that war weary face and that thousand yards stare.>all the vets have that kinship with us, even though we're too young to have fought in any war.>when asked what the fuck is up.>I'm squire to Lord Bordain
>>41547121I want to test out our new DREADNOUGHT ARMOR and xp investment into Athletics to see how many of our own mooks we can defeat in a row(Obviously we wouldn't stick to straight rules as written and throw in some kind of penalities for exhaustion)I figured we might as well bring in the squire on the fun.>Going for morning jog in Sauron armor
>>41547147no, his OLDER BROTHER is 14.He's 13. So, yeah, he's a teenager, I guess. I just meant more that "one 13 year old" might not beat a dozen guys in a row. Sure, he's well trained and invested in sparring, but he's still going to be smaller and weaker than your soldiers.
>>41547216Well then we need to beef him up until he can humiliate our greenhorns.I just want to see our Sinister quality in action via a long line of opponents too terrified of us to properly charge us.
>>41547216I think the real benefit would be getting to watch us fight, and maybe getting a few blows in on the ones who try to get around us. The boy looks up to us, give him a taste of what Jaime saw when he squired for Barristan. Maybe we'll also have the chance to wear in these new knees.