Twitter: twitter.com/planefagArchives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=kant-o-celle_questAs your warships bend their double columns south, lead ships accelerating to take their positions in the center of the force, you flip through the radio channels and select Naka's private satellite link, flicking your eyes around the room to make sure nobody's close enough to eavesdrop. “Hey, Naka.” “Admiral.”“How's the patch job holding up?” “Now I know why we lost the war,” Naka replies. “You can't sink anything with a roll of duct tape on it, can you?” You smirk at her little blue icon. “Harder paid me a visit just before you guys shipped out.” You hear Naka take a deep, shuddering breath. “Admiral, this isn't-” “Did you know that Harder could cry, Naka?” Silence. “Come back to us, Naka. Because I'll be fucked if you ditch an emo manlet on me, you hear?” Silence.“You're weighing the troll factor against my inability to hear you laughing from hell, aren't you.” “Hegehog Projector takes on a whole new meaning with you, Settle. You chuckle despite yourself. “Take care.”“Likewise.”
The fog is thicker in the narrowest part of the strait, where the Spica gunboats are leading the way, carefully motoring along at fifteen knots, confident in their nimbleness and acceleration. You flick between their camera feeds, their gun directors slowly panning to and fro, flipping between visual spectrum and infa-red on a regular basis. The IR feed doesn't help much at this time of day; shortly after sundown the air and the shallow waters of the strait are surprisingly close in temperature. Sea and sky blend together into an eerie green haze, fog laying a hazy smear over the blurs. Sangiang island rises from the center of Sunda Strait, a hulking, dark colossus barely visible against the skyglow. Its bulk divides the strait in two. The narrow shores compress Space into two lethal funnels, three miles to the west, maybe four to the east. You watch the little green icons of the gunboats as they inch forward, feeling their way towards first contact. “What's the visibility?” you say, surprised at how loud your voice sounds. “About a mile, maybe,” Goto murmurs. “In this soup, at least.” You grunt - the gunboats Exocets need at least two miles minimum range to guide and track properly. [ ] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twice. [ ] Keep your radars cold - the enemy's probably scouting with torpedo boats too, and having them blunder into the heavy gun armament of those Spicas is to your liking. [ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*
>>45262302>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*
And have a map to help you get your bearings. Gonna catch some dinner, back soon.
Any recommendations for music that would go with this thread?
>>45262302>[ ] Keep your radars cold - the enemy's probably scouting with torpedo boats too, and having them blunder into the heavy gun armament of those Spicas is to your liking.Now is probably not the time to go loud. If the Abyssals have any ability to detect radar emissions, it's best to stay quiet and try to keep the element of surprise.
>>45262338What is that line of contacts?Abyssals? PT Corgi screen? Also, where is Hate located in all of this?
>>45262321Not even close, coffeeboat.FIRST FOR FAIRIES NEED MORE SCREENTIME!>>45262302>[o] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Passive sonar seems the best bet for now. Don't want to give the game away too soon.>>45262338Planefag, can we expect any arty support from the Indonesian Army?
More like Can't-o-Celle am I right? Eh? Eh?
>>45262302>[X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*
>>45262302>[ ] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twice.
>>45262302[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*That, and we need to keep those gunboats mobile and on "our" side of the island. Make sure Ooi and Kitakami have updated launch vectors for their torps so that there's a corridor the gunboats can sail back through.What drones and aircraft do we have on station? Any ASW helos that can drop sonobuoys in the divided parts of the straight?
>>45262302>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Radar buggery may not work, but acoustics are not effected.
>>45262302[X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Be vewy, vewy quiet...
>>45262302>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Let's try some outside-the-box thinking. (Well, vaguely outside the box. The Kriegsmarine used hydrophones to try and locate the Royal Navy's battle line in similarly shitty North Sea conditions.)
>>45262302>[X] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twice.Currently underway, surrounded by lots of other ships and in fairly shallow waters would make the acoustic environment pretty soupy for hydrophones, but it probably can't hurt to have them on at the same time. Active pinging would be ill-advised right now.Actually, have Parker's fancy Abyssal-isolating sonar filters made it to other forces yet?
>>45262302>[X ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*
>>45262302>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Any scouting abyssals should be disengaged at first and the missiles saved for juicier targets anyway
>Re: Settle is a shipgirl crack theoriesI was wondering about this earlier, so I went and took a look at the Battle of LA and found this choice snippet:>“Can't hear you.” Glancing over his shoulder, you see the window in front of your captain's chair has been crazed and pocked by shrapnel - and as you feel the side of your head, you discover a few small bits embedded firmly in your skull.>... strange. Just sunk in there firmly, like they belong - like horns.MIGHTY FUCKING SUSPICIOUS but honestly I don't think those theories are accurate. There are too many logical contradictions. That said, it'd be amusing. So I give it 25% yes 75% no, until planefag reads this comment and does whatever the hell he wants about it.
>>45262302>[X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening."
>>45262302>[ ] Keep your radars cold - the enemy's probably scouting with torpedo boats too, and having them blunder into the heavy gun armament of those Spicas is to your liking.
>>45262481Settle's already a demon.Sadly I don't think we can give him a rocket punch prosthetic arm, though.
Bah. Its a pity that the abyssals them selves don't actually use radar.ESM is typically the go to thing at night.[X] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twice.
>[X ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Second ever live thread.HERE WE FUCKING GO.
>>45262481>>45262520I'm stiiiiiill in a dreeeeam,SHIP FUCKEEEEERRRR![Fanfare]
>>45262302[xThe Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*We don't wan to give ourselves away, and Parker's filters should let us filter out friendly units.
>>45262520Punished Settle when?
>>45262302>[x] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*softly, softly. our botes aren't beefy enough to use come at me bro tactics
>>45262338>No labels save for a single dykeplanefag pls, there's a map option to show all names>>45262461The conditions aren't the best, but Sound has seemed pretty important lately, and works with Abyssals to boot.Also, an invasion force can't be very quiet.>>45262386
>>45262380The first green line are the patrol boats and corvettes. The double columns turning in (blue circles) are your cruiser girls. The last two green boxes are the two missile frigates in the rear.>>45262385>Planefag, can we expect any arty support from the Indonesian Army?Most of what they had here was shore-based ASMs; firing those into the melee about to begin would be a bad idea.Airpower, on the other hand -! You'll have flare support from a C-130, so airpower *will* be contributing as best they can.
X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Hate is waterskiing behind a corgiboat with Fenrir in one hand.
>>45262302>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*At least try it, anyways. No reason not to. Don't suppose there are any other radars about to light up the Abyssals? Shore installations or anything? I assume not, buuut I would like to know.
>>45262481My guess is that Settle and Higgins were somehow superimposed on each other at that moment, but that it was a temporary state with only minor lingering effects.Or, put another way, he was briefly a shipgirl but isn't anymore, but might still be slightly shipgirlish.
>>45262523Well, presumably that tanker who came under SAM attack during the battle of the bonins involved radar of some sort
>>45262577Let's see what happens tonight...
>>45262590Accuracy is probably down to shit though. It's one thing to be firing stationary on dry land, another thing when you're trying to stay upright while waterskiing through enemy fire.
>>45262343https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZXdYKlKPxI&list=PL4D181744DE1094BA&index=10Yes, the entire playlist.
>>45262302[o] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*Might need to have our big ships shutdown their engine's temporarily, but we know the general direction, so we should be able to pick out Abyssal signatures.
>[X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*
Planefag.Given the situation, do we have AWACS on hand?I would assume so but I'm not sure who's available from where, but I'd assume that at least we could get an E-2 from SOMEWHERE to provide ESM.Or are we stretched so thin we can't even get that?
>>45262343...I would tap into fleet-communications again and give tribute once more, but we're hunting abyssals and radio silence is key...plus the mps are close by and I don't want no trouble nope
>>45262302>[X] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twice.
>>45262676Japs have e767s iirc...
Satellite image of the strait.And from the last thread, our order of battle:Fast Attack Force:5x Spica-M PGM (Missile Gunboats:) 40mm Breda, 57mm Bofors, 4x Exocets. (MALAYSIA)5x Elco PT Boats (Corgis,) + Angry Marine (Hate)2x F-25 Kasturi (Type FS-1500) Corvette: 100mm gun, 2x30mm, ASW rockets, 57mm Bofors, 4x Exocets.Light Surface Group:Type 025T FFG: 5-inch gun, 2x30mm guns, 8-cell VLS/32 ESSM, 8x Harpoons (THAILAND)Formidable-Class FFG: 3-inch gun, 2x25mm guns, 32-cell VLS/32 ASTER-15, 8x Harpoons (SINGAPORE)1.Center Force:IJN Ooi (40x torpedoes)IJN Kitakami (40x torpedoes)IJN TatsutaIJN TenryuuIJN JintsuuIJN NakaIJN SendaiAir Cover:Indonesian F-16s with iron bombs.Malaysian BAE Hawk 208s with iron bombs and drop tanks.Flare support provided by SOCOM C-130 Combat Shadows/Talons.
>>45262302>[X] Time to use our radar - flick it on and off sporadically, and never on the same boat twiceliterally why we have them
>>45262665Sprint and drift is the plan.As for radar, land shadows make it rather hard to use here - the closer the better.
>>45262302>[X] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*captcha is teahark, the battlecruiser cometh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNyS0jcj7IDo you hear HER singing to us? Calling us home? It's beautiful.
>>45262302[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*We have those Abyssal sound filters for a reason. Save the radar for after things go loud.
>>45262787Here's one that hopefully works:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztkUuunI7g
We're depending on you anons that actually know shit about naval battles to prevent us from getting a bad end.
Wait, what about ACTIVE sonar? It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for ASW sweepers in this shallow-ass place.The sonar sets on those corvettes we're voting for does have both active and passive mode, from what I can find.>>45262302>One ping, please
>>45262343Maybe not for the entire battle, but for Lieutenant Hate...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQLet our enemies feel the bite of Fenrir, and cower from his howls.
>>45262302[x] Ghost targets
>>45262810The one I posted works fine, but whatever. I think yours has better quality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0uE65qPHssI bet Abyssals love Plastic Beach.
>>45262724Can I just note that I love how alongside all that badassery, there's still listed one very angry marine? Hate is considered as deadly as the torpedoslut of maximum overcrit!And that's WITHOUT his 18-inch friend!
>>45262877RABBIT I SWEAR TO GODVOTES CALLED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfskFravnWMI feel this one fits the tension.Also, screw you Planefag for getting that damn Boney M song stuck in my head.
>>45262343Also, a couple others that should be in every thread:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhop5VuLDIQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xIbut especially:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjRL1_9kCyw
>>45262873No, that's for when ALL of the corgis attack. Not just one or two. ALL of them.
>>45262832In short: We're fucking boned and I'm swimming home. Got it.
>>45262769>Sprint and drift is the plan.We're under no big time pressure, right? So there's nothing wrong with slowing down and taking a listen.Unless, of course, someone is watching us without our knowledge and takes the opportunity to nail us. But presumably we'd hear abyssal radar and if we can't see them, they proooooobably can't see us? Still, not without its chances of things going wrong. Alternatively, we go loud with radar, which A: alerts them to our presence and B: gives the possibility of them nailing us. They *Shouldn't* know we're here yet.Or we just keep speeding along without radar OR hydrophones. Which isn't terrible, but doesn't really seem to do much for us either? It's pretty much staying the course after all.DIsclaimer: I am not an anon proficient in naval warfare, at all
Imo. The hydrophones are a thing they should be doing without any prompt, considering its a passive form of observation that will not draw attention. Hell their sonar operators should be doing automatically already, since they are at action stations.
>>45262902I'm still waiting to see if Hate has painted his plate carrier yellow with >:( on it in black...
>>45262343https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVjwkOBUV-w>All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.
>>45262832>A nontrivial portion of my money's worth in CMANO is using it as a reference tool for this questI'm in too fucking deep.>>45262961As planefag mentioned, this choice implies doing sprint-and-drift maneuvers across the whole force, so that we can actually hear shit besides our own wakes
>>45262961Thing is that the water here isn't great for listening to begin with WITHOUT our loud, sorry asses rumbling on through it, you see. In order to EFFECTIVELY listen, we need to cut engines and take a moment. Which could be a danger , albeit probably less of one than going loud with radar.
>>45262955>swimming home You're getting plucked off the battlefield by a maiden on a flying horse.
>>45263009Hate's going to die?
>>45262902>Marine>Without his current rifleGet the fuck out of here you fucking fudge packing nancy-ass navy faggot.Holy shit I'm not even American or a marine but I just knife-handed my monitor in rage.
>>45262754are you crazy? it would be like waving a chip at a seagull
>>45263006The fuck is this from?
>>45262955Maybe consolation, maybe not, but you might end up captured by this one.
>>45262343Also, just for it's sheer bleakness along with it's graphic details, and the recent rumblings of Russians ships:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p0zgT2HzuMand this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWMgFZa6WM
>>45263033He said without the Yamato gun not without his rifle you jarhead.
>>45262929>Also, screw you Planefag for getting that damn Boney M song stuck in my head.AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA not sorryalso very nice choicestill writing, sorry for the long delay, I was frikkin starvin
>>45263053You know how aircraft carriers have steam catapults to fling planes off the deck?We're testing electromagnetic ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOijb3JPCe4
>>45263032Nah, he'll just wake up back on Iowa. Just smaller.
>>45263077Rifle's about half a world away though. One would think that he could ring Iowa up and ask for it back... perhaps he's nervous about something?
>>45263077>implying hate went without fenir
>>45263056If the shipgirl that Erry and Terry captured and zombified is there, we should retake her. Do not kill her, recapture her and bring her back.However, I would not recommend trying to capture an Abyssal in this mission. That sort of objective requires a dedicated and hand picked strike force, and a specific target. Erry or Terry, or that one Wo from AWOL, are good possibilities. It doesn't really matter who exactly, what matters is we know who they are, where they're going to be, and we can easily overwealm her and get the fuck out of the area before her support arrives.Also, Hoppo might be another good target. If she exists in this universe.
>>45263117>implying he never got his rifle replaced after Iowa...Hm.
>>45262481Pretty sure the wording there was meant to evoke the state of mind Settle was in at the time -- dazed and in shock.
>>45263127I thought the "Wo" was Shinano.
>>45263142Ayup. Not exactly solid evidence.
>>45263127Fuck off, metagamer.
>>45263127Uh... we don't really want to do that, given how Buchanan is rigged to go up with the force of... how many explosives can you stuff down a destroyer's throat?
>>45263056Marines don't surrender.
>>45263127>If the shipgirl that Erry and Terry captured and zombified is there, we should retake her. Do not kill her, recapture her and bring her back.Well I mean, we have literally no idea that she exists or what happened to her. Also she was up north.But yes, our plans for a capture involve overwhelming force, and lots of backup, none of which are really in the cards for us right now.Also, you know, don't forget that none of the canon abyssals have shown up except the CL Demon and that's a bit of a special case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXeLfMO9q4cJOIN THE UNITED ABYSSAL NAVYA GLOBAL FORCE FOR REVENGE
>>45263166I don't want to be a part of this conversation, but I feel I have to say it: When Hornet flung Settle into the water after he teased her about her crush on Hamp, he mentioned he had a greater than normal ability to stay underwater.
>>45262832>We're depending on you anons that actually know shit about naval battles to prevent us from getting a bad end.You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>>45263209How's the benefits?
>>452631804.5 tons, when she was HMS Campbeltown.
>>45263211That might have come from just being in the Navy for so long.But then there's also the times where he's shown off pretty extraordinary strength.I don't think it's the case, but it's not all baseless conjecture.
>>45263211He might have had that before everything went to shit, though.
>>45263247You never age or grow sick, you feed on the fear and despair of humanity, and you get free dental.
>>45263127that's awfully ambitious considering we've gambled on this whole thing being a diversion and sent our lowest quality boats to the fight
>>45262955Hey. Knock it off.
>>45263211Maybe it had more to do with how well he floats?(Like a brick. He's that dense.)
>>45263247You'd hate it. They make you drink ENGINE ROOM coffee.
>>45263132When I asked earlier about the possibility of the good Lieutenant fashioning another rifle from one of Iowa's main cannons - as a sister to Fenrir (suggestion for name of weapon would be Veðrfölnir, look it up) - his reply was as follows:>No, she's already got a rifle I fucking want. >My fucking M-14. You know how much I had to fucking fight to hang on to that bastard after I got transferred to the west fucking coast?
>>45263247Don't even think about it Hamp, there's shitty coffee and no overpriced starbucks down there.
>>45263211Well if you stay motionless and lie to underwater you can greatly extend your time under. Also consider that Settle is both Navy and Annapolis, so he's probably got plenty of practice being suddenly and nonconsensually underwater for considerable lengths of time.
>>45263211yesssssssss feed the bullshit theories it is good. I live for the madness.also, re: writefag drama:When you become famous - and the internet can and will make you famous even directly against your will - people start expecting things from you. You're not just an anon anymore. You definitely start being held to a different standard.
>>45263293>we've gambled on this whole thing being a diversion and sent our lowest quality boats to the fightwhatno we haven'tWe're expecting it to be an invasion forceWe sent light boats because we could only send one plane full of them down. Yamato and Arizona were real fucking options for this fight.
>>45263289Do US Marines get dental? Because aside from immortality, that sounds kinda familiar...
>>45263255Noted.That's an awful lot of boom to go off in port. Assuming the standard, say, American explosive in WWII would be used, what would the yield of said detonation be?
>>45263311And as was also mentioned Yamato's rifles were built in a fundamentally different way that made the donation of the barrel and rounds relatively harmless to the girl herself.
>>45263311Ah. THere you go. Never got it replaced....A MARINE WAS WITHOUT HIS RIFLE. AMERICAN EMERGENCY. GET THE BURGERS.
>>45263348>We sent light boats because we could only send one plane full of them down.No, we sent light boats because it's a confined fucking straight with extremely restricted terrain. Any heavy warships are going to get fucked right and proper by the torpedo funnel and have their range advantage denied by geography.Motherfucker, we can't stop here, this is Destroyer country.
>>45263362You mean this?
>>45263293Well if I remember correctly the Campbeltown/Buchanan is a destroyer, which my limited armyfag knowledge thinks is smaller than a cruiser, and we could hypothetically knock her out and have somebody carry her off to a nearby ship.Yeah, it's a gamble. But I really want to discourage future "boarding" attempts, because we'd all get fucking pissed if it became common for an abyssal sub to pop up, grab a girl, kiss her quick, and then drag her under while she's trying to fight off evil fairies in her own hull.>>45263362Marines feed on the scraps that the US Congress ways and means committee throws their way, so I think Abyssals have a bigger budget.
>>45263298jus saying, if we're relying on these fucking people, we're boned hardcore. Hope you brought your fucking flotation device.
>>45263392You're not wrong, I'm just clarifying that the only restriction on our forces was tonnage, not "this is probably an unimportant fight"
>>45263367Enough to disable a St.Nazaire port facility
>>45263289I've already got dental. And I already don't age. And I already get plenty of fear and despair when I show up at the base's Starbucks.*ssssip*You guys probably don't even give paid vacation or holidays...
>>45263367Which is kinda anemic when you consider they managed to cram ten tons of explosives into a B-17 or B-24 for Project Aphrodite.
>>45263380Ayep, which is why I didn't continue on the subject afterwards.Would have made for one hell of a loadout, though.
>>45263388No, he had replacements. They just weren't HIS rifle.
>>45263446But we basically own most of the South Pacific Islands.If you tried to go to Hawaii, we'd shoot down your airliner as target practice during the approach.Come on. We're equal opportunity. We allow all ship classes to join, from Montana-class battleships all the way down to civilian transports and recreation vehicles.We have a pic related in every base.
>>45263402You think the Marines have it bad?The US Coast Guard gets fucked over all the time.Sad thing is before the US navy came along The Guard fought off pirates and every thing else.
>>45263515Dude, everybody gets fucked over. It's all a part of having to go through ways and means committee.The military budget gets attached to some bill about banning chewing gum and all of a sudden we don't have money to pay for a new fighter.
>>45263402Jokes on you, the Marines don't even have funding.We don't know where they come from but they seem to survive of surplus equipment and hatred.
>>45263499>HIS rifle>likely the only thing he brought back from Fallujah
>>45263512Man, who pissed off the coffee boats enough that there's enough for every abyssal base? What the fuck do you even DO to piss off a coffeeboat that badly? Or do you just have the one angry coffeeboat for the only base you have?
>>45263546>hatredNice meme. The Marines haven't had anything to hate in 30 years.>waaah I have really hard trainingOh fuck you, everyone has to deal with PT.
>>45263550Fallujah II, mind you.
>>45263247Cruisers who join get a boob job.
>>45263546They get their money through the Navy.But even the Scraps the Navy deigns to give them is at least triple what the guard has to stretch.
>>45263209That music... doesn't really fit the Abyssals - only in the slightest possible manner.
>>45263415rather than being an unimportant fight, i had the feeling that something worse would be coming along soon tm, and we'd better not exhaust our fleet of fatsos in a slapfight when the powerfist nutpunching festival of pain is right around the corner
>>45263568Nobody pissed them off. They're just there to make money.Starbucks on every corner.
>>45262481If Settle is a ship person... and ship girls are controlled by their fairies in some unknown way...That means we are Settle's Fairies.
>>45263572I needed something to go with military surplus that wasn't "no funding".
>>45263617What do Abyssals pay in, sunken treasure?Oh, wait.
>>45263407You didn't want to be a "leader of men", so you're stuck with us. It's your own damn fault.
>>45263573Was referring to the location, not the engagement itself. Thanks for the clarification, though.
>>45263637plenty of that on the sea floor.
>>45263609There still is whatever Terry was threatening, unless this was it, but Yokosuka is locked down pretty tight and has the entire rest of our fleet and on alert
>>45263624... Well, that explains a lot about Settle even from the Watsonian angle, doesn't it?
>>45263572Marines are what you get when you take army brats that never grew out of their chunni and have them enlist.
>>45263662It was mentioned that there were riots and other bad things going down in other locations in Japan, not the least of which was Lava bombs, which implies at least Terry is involved.
>>45263624>Meanwhile, in Arizona's mess hall, the fae are shouting at eachother about how they sank the Settle route, how bullshit it is that all of their vote options are nonverbal, and that one guy in the corner who won't shut up about how they should have gone for Naka when they had the chance
>>45263624>That means we are Settle's Fairies.This is now irrevocably canon. As canon as Hate fairy.
>>45263686But anon, all soldiers are at least a little chuuni.
>>45263697>Hate fairyFuck off with that
>>45263702The marines add several magnitudes to that.At least they aren't as big of pussies as the air force or navy.
>>45263182Not even for good home cooking?
>>45263512>If you tried to go to Hawaii, we'd shoot down your airliner as target practice during the approach.Wouldn't there be a rather large amount of constant CAP up though?Wait, does the USA even still own Pearl Harbor, or have they abandoned the place as untenable and pulled back to the western seaboard of CONUS?>Montana-class battleships...
>>45263289Can I recruit Somali pirates?
>>45263777I'm pretty sure Pearl is still a stronghold, even if it has to be supplied by air mostly
>>45263182>Thinks doing his job needs to be stated like something to be proud of.
>>45263624it would be fun to drive a character around directly, but it would tarpit the quest.
>>45263696The more things change, the more they stay the same, don't they?
Thought occurred to me - what's the status of the American's/Russian's/UN's various space programs?
>>45263686Esprit de corps is important, but marines basically have no reason to exist as they believe they should exist.We needed marines back in the age of sail. Vital for protecting ships. Back in WW2 and the Cold War, we needed marines. No debate.But now? Fuck no, we need to make our military's command structure and culture more streamlined and simplistic. The idea of having marines and the air force as individual branches will forever confuse me, and it just gets more confusing as we get to the point where any infantryman can launch and pilot a drone.Maybe we could alter the Air Force into some sort of Strategic Air Force; where they focus on IBCMs, nuclear defense, strategic bomber forces, and logistics. But the Air Force as it is now? Give it back to the Army. Absorb the Marines totally into the Navy as a transport helicopter carrier based rapid response unit.The idea we're going to need the Marines as a separate branch so they are ready for the next D-Day is stupid. If anything, the next mass wave invasion will be done by the Army, if it is done at all. Marines are too fucking "elite" for their own fucking purpose.But I suppose that's just my opinion and the fact is the current branches are too entrenched to ever be changed unless the US's ass gets kicked so hard that most of the military is too dead to complain about muh history and muh need for a seperate chain of command.
>[ ] The Katsuri corvettes have pretty decent hydrophones - if you can't see, then try *listening.*>>45262852Active Sonar is basically screaming "HEY EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!" and listening to our echo bounce.Do you realize that it's a bad idea to reveal where we are first?
>>45263696>that one guy in the corner who won't shut up about how they should have gone for Naka when they had the chanceTo be fair, it was really fucking adorable when they were curled up together and Ari brushed Naka's hair out.
>>45263874I bet the private spaceship industry has picked up the slack left by NASA getting defunded because wartime footing.We probably have abandoned the ISS, though.
>>45263887To be honest, Air Force has SOME reason to exist. So does Marines, albeit they're linked to the navy already
>>45263775He already has hotel quality cooking, Yamato cooks for him.
>>45263887Funny thing that. Truman and Eisenhower tried to abolish the Marines. And of course, Crossroads tried to kill the Navy with Crossroads. Congress stopped them and evidence debunked them respectively.
>>45263775It's very hard to compete with Yamato cooking.
>>45263891Just like radar, yes. But I feel like a surface radar is more suspicious than an active sonar ping
>>45263696God dammit, if I knew how to draw...
>>45263908>I bet the private spaceship industry has picked up the slack left by NASA getting defunded because wartime footing.Wonder if the EM-Drive debacle is still a thing...>We probably have abandoned the ISS, though.Huh. And here I was thinking we would be expanding it - turning it into an orbital command center for a surveillance grid, and possibly, later down the road, orbital weapons platforms.If you haven't guessed yet, I'm orbital elevator/megacity anon from the other thread.
>>45263775I can cook just fucking fine
>>45263696Don't forget the ones constantly memeing at one another, and the one guy who screams about why the fuck haven't they killed Kaga yet whenever she's in sight
>>45263887It's clear that you don't understand a thing about the military.
>>45263996>Marine>Cookingmy brain is full of what
>>45263921>Air Force has SOME reason to existIn the Cold War it did because we needed a seperate branch to manage all the grabass we did with Russian bombers.Now things need to get much more coordinated. Regular army divisions should have their own dedicated air units. They can be drones, they can be traditional CAS, whatever. But they need to have it as theirs and not do "pretty please with a sugar on top" with another branch's officers.Marines have simply evolved themselves away from what they once were, and we should recognize that and stop pretending that they're a bunch of amphibious specialists when the reality is we use them as shock troops. Which is perfectly fine, but what that is is not worth a seperate branch. Should Rangers be their own branch? How bout paratroopers? No, that's retarded.
>>45263996Preparing a MRE does not equate to cooking.
>>45263996When even college students can make better food than you you shouldn't be proud of your "skills".
>>45264026He said cooking, but he never said /good/ cooking.
“All ships,” you almost whisper. “Full stop. All ships. Full stop.” The little knot indicators start slipping downward as your whole force draws their throttles back to stop their screws, silent hulls drifting through the water. “Cruisers,” you say quietly. “Set your torpedoes to run at twelve feet deep.”A chorus of quiet ayes filter through your headset. “Lekir here. We've got something on the hydrophone.” “Katsuri,” you reply. “You have anything?” “We've got it too.” “Analysis?”“... you're gonna want to hear this yourself.”
>>45263996cooking may possibly have been a euphemism
>>45264038Every time the Air Force has tried to get rid of the A-10, the Army has basically said, "Well, if you don't want them, we'll take them," which prevents the Army from getting them because the Airforce will never give back any fixed wing strike capability to the Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEnxcU8jICUStatic futzes in your ears as the datalink quavers for a moment, computers on the warship and the MILSTARs net firming up the link despite local interference. The bass thrum, so low it almost feels like your own heartbeat vibrating against your sternum - and the voices, low and rough, chanting in time to a quicker beat. The volume is loud, reflecting off the shallow seafloor and bouncing off the surface, a thunderous choir that drowns out the entire surface duct. The hair stands up on the back of your neck. They're here. Yellow lines dance and quaver on the map plot as automated systems struggle in vain to narrow down the vectors, but there's too many - the strait is crammed with signatures. If Hate's guess is right, then this is a new rowing chant - a faster one, as they close on their landing beach and begin girding themselves for hard combat. The thick fog roils and eddies before the cameras, revealing nothing, even as the heavy thunder of the drums grows ever louder. Goto's face is surreal in the gloom; a dichotomy of faint glow and deeper shadow, his dark, intense eyes barely glinting out of the gloom beneath his brow. “And the other?” The other song, yet to renew itself. The slow, thundering beat; remorseless and sure. “They're behind us now,” Goto reminds you. “In the bay.”
>>45264038The Marines are 1/4 the size of the Army.
>>45264063Addendum: Only cooking Marines do - that I know of - involves grenades and various other explosives.
>>45264090Exactly what I'm saying.
A revolution in catbra memeing.
>>45263512*sssssip*Except, y'know, you don't have any bases. Or paid vacation. Or holidays.*ssssssip*
>>45264107>“They're behind us nowhmmm
Didn't listening to abyssal wakes cause SAN loss?
>>45264136There are certainly staging areas and places where Abyssals gather.
That they are. Two desecrated graves, looted by the people they died trying to protect. “If you want to cover that angle,” Goto says quietly, “The time is now.”You glance up at the two little green boxes indicating the Naresuan and Steadfast, your heaviest hitters. They could still pivot East to cover any approach from the bay.The lethal funnels straddling the island loom wide, full of terrible potential as the drums thunder from shore to narrow shore, echoes rebounding from echoes in the water. The middle of the force, right between the warships and the transports, blundering into their midst and laying about with mad abandon. That's where it'd be this time, right *there.* Drums in the deep pound into your ears, shaking your very soul as they grow and grow and grow. Soon they will be answered by a faster cadence, a *beat to quarters*.But to discharge who's duty? [ ] Abandoned, misled, wasted, looted - and ultimately forgotten. Pray the ABDA force slumbers on. [ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264155Not if you're ready for it.
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264174[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264174>[X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264155You get used to it>>45264107>We're smack dab between the two songsSlight concern>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes."Very good."
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.WITNESSED
>>45262374I thought they updated the lyrics to Gunkan Machi already?
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.A leap of faith, huh? Then let us hope, and pray, they come back on our side.
>>45264174>[x] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264174>[X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Better to attempt contact ourselves than to let the Voice Below convince them that we have forgotten about them completely - that we do not honor their sacrifice.
>>45264174>[ X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264174porque no los dos?
>>45264174>[X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.FUCKIN' STRAYA CUNTS! PERTH AND HOUSTON WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.Lest We Forget.
>[ X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264174>[o] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Nothing is sure to turn ships like that to the enemy than distrust despite their heroic record.
>>45264174>[x] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Time to visit the heroes.
>>45264174>[ x ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Like HELL we're letting them get them. They were here first. Nobody, and I mean nobody, will take this strait while they're still remembered.
>>45264174>[x] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.>>45264234>Better to attempt contact ourselves than to let the Voice Below convince them that we have forgotten about them completely - that we do not honor their sacrifice.This so much.
>>45264174As a side note, from my reading of it at least, Vanguard might have reconsidered running, but the reaction of the Brits ie. shooting first, prevented her from doing that.
>>45264174>[X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.>>45264245Because the choices are "let them sleep" and "wake them up to hope they're friendly." Mutually exclusive.
>>45264245They are literally opposite choices.1: The Perth and Houston got a raw deal. I hope they don't wake up, because if they do they'll murder us.2: The Perth and Houston made an amazing stand, no matter how futile. I hope they wake up for this second chance.ALSO, FUN FACT: NAKA AND JINTSUU FOUGHT HOUSTON AND PERTH SHORTLY BEFORE THEY FLED TO THE STRAIT AND DIED.
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.OI YOU CUNTS, ME AND MY COWGIRL FRIEND HERE WANT TO HOOK YA IN DA GABBER YA HEAR?!
>>45264289Which is what colors my decision here. If we can make contact first, maybe we can convince them to come back on our side.
>>45264174>[x] Abandoned, misled, wasted, looted - and ultimately forgotten. Pray the ABDA force slumbers on. if dead people would only stay dead, life would be a lot simpler.
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Diehard motherfuckers deserve respect.
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Shinkaiseikan are approaching. Deploy to protect humanity.
>>45264309We can only hope to be able to tell them to stand down, like we did with Essex. It's a bigger risk to treat them with suspicion right off the bat.
>>45264332And we were so close to having an unanimous vote, you asshole.
Well slap my ass and call me Susan, I'm late to an action thread again!Finally, after weeks of terrible writers' block I have managed to spit out two writeups for later in the day! Will post after the thread.
So, does Naka know Waltzing Matilda?
>>45264174So basically we're deciding to prepare a defense if Perth and Houston wake up Abyssal.... while hoping that they'll either stay asleep or join our side...Risky.....
>>45264372There's always the one edgemaster.
>>45264309All these war songs are probably going to wake shit up.If they're going to wake up, we might as well try to have it happen on our terms, yeah?
>>45264332>if dead people would only stay dead, life would be a lot simpler.You made this post solely to be "that guy", didn't you?
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Trust in the mystic whatever the fuck that if we call, they will answer.Call them to general quarters and give them a tasking, and they will answer.
>>45264174>[X] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Honestly, have any of those heroes' comrades let us down so far?>>45264234Sure!>>45264383Huzzah!
>>45264110You might have thought you were making a counter to my argument, but that's just another reason to support it.Face facts. Times have changed. Gulf War was probably the last completely conventional fight. It's all counter-terrorism and grabass with the Second World from here on. The budget is going to start to be reduced because new tech just ain't paying for itself anymore, not to mention the progressives.There are two roads we can walk down. Either we keep the four branch system and everyone's budget gets smaller and smaller and we all sabotage each other like in >>45264090 situation. Or we move to a 2 to 3 branch system, live with the smaller budget, and we embrace the "small but elite" volunteer military concept fully while remaining as inexpensive and streamlined as possible.Every single unnecessary officer in an unnecessary branch is given a paycheck's worth of money that could be spent on something that actually helps national defense instead of giving the chair force another golfer.The only reason the Marines and Air Force exist is because of their culture. Not practicality, just a bunch of people who desperately claim that some disaster will occur if the status quo ever changes, which it already has but nobody wants to mention it because then they'll look like retards.But no, go on ahead. Pretend the Air Force is still about dogfighting over Germany and the Marines are about invading some beach en masse. God forbid you notice that the Army and its new drone capabilities have made you both as necessary as a third testicle.
>>45264372i'm gonna told-you-so so fucking hard when our doodz get drop beared
>>45264309A lot of the Japanese CL's in this force were there, we don't really have a choice.Hopefully the presence of other ships in the area that aren't under the Japanese flag, and Hate, might help.
>>45264174>[o] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.It may not be her usual setup, but...Naka? Sing. Sing the song of rememberance.Or failing that? Say it with me, Commonwealth."They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old. Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we shall remember them."
>>45264476the way I see it, either we definitely get drop beared eventually or we maybe get drop beared nowalso I love you for that
>>45264483I know, it was just more of a fun coincidence/"don't be surprised if they square off after the fight" thing than a doom and gloom prediction.Arizona and Kaga and Hornet haven't all killed eachother after all, so things could be a lot worse on that front
>>45264515LEST WE FORGET
>>45264515As a non-Australian Waltzing Matilda is the only Australian song I know of.
>>45264515>Naka becomes the hull whispererThis amuses me greatly.
>>45263342>When you become famous - and the internet can and will make you famous even directly against your will - people start expecting things from you. You're not just an anon anymore. You definitely start being held to a different standard.... I'll just say 'yup' and leave it at that.
>>45264466>he doesn't want a third testicle
I started this with just Army>Marines haha, and it turned into this.
>>45264515>>45264174This. Sing, Naka. Sing of a world that remembers.
>>45264174>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264592Not if it costs 40 billion dollars and I'm several trillion dollars in debt.
>>45264525Or we introduce the Abyssals to the drop bear.. whatever that is.captcha is boats
>>45264466That's the same stupidity that Europe went through.
>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.
>>45264466>Muh dronesDrones can't do everything
>>45264658>the drop bear.. whatever that is.>He doesn't know what a drop bear isOh my sweet summer child
>>45264466>Air Force is uselessRight, because the Army is going to man all those strategic bombers, ICBM bases, radar installations, run all the satellites, fly all the supplies around, provide inflight refueling, or any of the other myriad specialized duties the "Chair Force" provides.You know what the Army provides? A fuckton of bodies, that's it. You want to get rid of something useless, can all those gas guzzling tanks. The hell do we still use them for? To fight all those tanks the terrorists don't have?
>>45264546That alone and the remembrance every single year on the eleventh of November, is, I think, why so few of the Royal Navy have turned Abyssal. The Voice can say what it wants, but there it is, true and clear as day.We remember. We will always, always remember every sacrifice, every death, every hero who spilled their blood and the blood of others for the Commonwealth.
>>45264607Not so sure if having Naka do the contact is the best idea, considering...Might be worth it for her to supplement with a song though.But we need to get someone broadcasting to Perth and Houston ASAP, so we can get them fucking moving.Assuming that the boatslut gods are on our side.
>>45264592might be the best post in the threadVOTES CALLED
>>45264174>[ ] Two dead captains, two ships that fought to the last shell. If you trust in anything, let it be the blood of heroes.Go big or go home.
>>45264656>He thinks China is going to turn off our lights,
>>45264714Tanks will always have a place in warfare, though....though I would think that the Americans could design a tank that doesn't drink as much fuel as the fucking Abrams does.
>>45264714The Army and Marines can take and hold ground, something the Air Force will never be capable of. Anyways, fuck off with that getting rid of the tanks shit, tanks are great because they provide the infantry with a heavily armored MG and direct-fire cannon platform.
>>45264734She doesn't really seem to want to use those siren power anymore, like at all.Plus, we don't need our forces potentially getting mind-wammied during combat if she accidentally trances them too.
>>45264779>though I would think that the Americans could design a tank that doesn't drink as much fuel as the fucking Abrams doeswhy would we need to? We have the resources and supply chains to keep them fueled.
>>45264708...looked it up. Huh. What is the basis for that myth, I wonder? I mean, the koala isn't that batshit crazy of an animal...
>>45264779Abrams is one the first of the current-gen MBTsAt the time it was introduced the super-powerful Diesels other tanks have didn't exist or were too fragile to be a tank engine.That said, the gas turbine even today offers a few benefits and issues that diesel doesn't, and, well..Let's be honest, if there's ONE military on earth that can afford to use such a gas guzzler, it's the US. Noone else does logistics like the US of fucking A.
>>45264779On the other hand, no country is more capable of supplying a tank like the Abrams than the United States.M1A3 is supposedly transitioning to a diesel powerpack, though.
>>45264826It's Straya, mate. Crazy animals are standard, koalas or no.I mean, you do know the Emu War, right?
>>45264826Koala has clap in its claws.
>>45264692Exactly.I mean, they can't even see why children love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch.Some spy thing they are.
>>45264714Multiple European nations got rid of their tanks years ago, after Ukraine some of them are regretting it.
>>45264833There actually is a diesel engine for the Abrams already in service. Think the aussies use it. So if we wanna switch, we can.The turbine in the Abrams can burn diesel as well if it wants.
>>45264803Maybe we should look at the WW1 doctrine again... Tanks as mobile strongpoints?
>>45264877To be fair, the only European military that matters is America. : ^ )
>>45264825On the other hand, is it not better to have an efficient military, not one that is dependent on supply?I mean, if the supply lines were cut off somehow... would it not be better to have a tank that could go on and on and on like some demented murderous energizer rabbit than the gulp gulp gulp machine of current times?
>>45264820I said sing a song of rememberance, not do the mind-whammy.Naka herself confirmed she knows how to avoid doing it.Ergo, she can sing a song, ideally one related to the current ships, while we hail them and attempt to rouse them to the fight.After all, a hostile invasion force is attempting to transit the Sunda Strait, and we need Perth and Houston to reinforce the current battle line and hold against the baying hordes of implacable enemies.For the sake of our allies, and their people, who will suffer if we can't hold them here, we need them to once again face the enemy in the place they fell once before, and potentially again.
>>45264656Here's a thought: raise taxes to pay for your shit. Americans pay much less of their income in taxes compared to Europeans and thus are behind in pretty much every social program. But not the fucking military, which makes up 17% of the budget and gets more money than the next 15 militaries COMBINED!
>>45264833>>45264880Its got a burn almost anything turbine, but the drawback is it essentially runs full burn at all times.
>>45264910You're not wrong, but also see >>45264899You fucking cunts
>>45264880I knowI said when it came out it had to use a gas turbineIt hasn't transitioned yet because of all the time and cost it'd take to produce, refit, retrain, recertify, and refamiliarise EVERY tank crew during a deployment schedule.Now that tonks are staying home, it'd make sense to do it.
>>45264880The Abrams' turbine can burn anything combustible, for that matter. You could run it off alcohol if you somehow had enough. >>45264896You best be joking nigger.The role of the infantry is to support the tanks, not the other way around.
>>45264910Paying for shit never got anyone elected.I think.
>>45264826>the koala isn't that batshit crazy of an animal...it is when you keep it from getting high.
>>45264880AFAIK we just use the turbines, but run them on diesel instead of JP-8 or whatever yanks use.
>>45264928All turbine power packs are like that. Just look at the T-80.
>>45264928Don't the later variants have an APU to run the electrics with the turbine off?
>>45264910we will as soon as our allies start to actually meet their goddamn treaty commitments and we don't have to cover for the fucks.
>>45264903Ah, my mistake, thought you we're referring to the siren song. If she's not heavily engaged and can afford to fall back behind the lines for a few minutes, it might be worth a try if she can remember a song that the ships might be roused by.
>>45264910It's not our fault the rest of NATO is essentially dead weight.
>>45264779I'm not saying armored vehicles are useless. I'm saying tanks are. Those big, gas guzzling behemoths like the Abrams. The Abrams is only invincible because we've never fought anyone competent. The Iraqis and Taliban aren't exactly known for competence. Sure, they can shrug off RPGs like nothing, but how well do they fare against air power? Or actually worthwhile anti-tank weapons, like the Javelin and TOW missiles, and the various equivalents in other countries?The tank is a lot like the battleship, it's time came and went. They're meant for massive armor engagements, like in WW 2 and what we thought war with the Russians would be like. They're meant for wars we're not going to see again. We're much more likely to use our strategic bombers then tank battalions for the purposes they're meant for.Sure, the B-52 might not ever be dropping nukes ever again, but they can drop absurd amounts of conventional explosives, and even launch cruise missiles.
>>45264692I never said they did.What I am saying instead is that they're more cost effective than traditional airplanes and thus will get priority in funding. Also, they actually are owned by the Army rather than loaned out like your parent's car.>>45264714Actually, if you actually read what I said... >>45263887>Maybe we could alter the Air Force into some sort of Strategic Air Force; where they focus on IBCMs, nuclear defense, strategic bomber forces, and logistics.Army needs CAS that is its and its alone.>>45264743It's not China that's the problem. It's politicians. They want to focus on social programs, not the military. The military used as an example of unnecessary spending and there's nothing anyone can do about it. And it's not helped that we use several million dollars in equipment to take out a thousand dollars worth of terrorists.I'm not saying we should defund the military. Just recongizing that the military is going to be defunded and we'll end up with a Navy sailing out of date ships, an air force that is bogged down in maintenance problems and vulnerabilities to smaller cheaper tech, an army that is 70's tier, and marines who go around pretending they're invincible and so much better than everybody else. We remain just as arrogant and bellicose, but we won't be able to back it up.>>45264910We already have some some of the highest business taxes in the world. The actual problem is most people don't pay any taxes whatsoever.And which do you think will get a politician elected? Promising to raise taxes to pay for the military or promising to defund the military, adopting an isolationist foreign policy, and giving everyone free shit? Think carefully about this. Try to remember the concept of "voting" and "bread and circuses".Look, I don't like any of these budget cuts either. But that's the world we're in.>>45265012Yeah. If anything Europe should pull its own weight instead of importing more poor people to give money to.
Since discovering her powers, has anyone sat Naka down and have her watch all/some/any of the Macross series?>mfw she busts out Watashi no kare wa submarine the next time Harder's out there
>>45265025The B-52 can't directly support the infantry, though. Nor can it take and hold ground.
‘“AP -- With a looming 'Abyssal' presence in Iwo Jima threatening operations in the immediate area, an effort to seize the island spearheaded by the United States Marine Corps along with support from naval elements from the 7th fleet was put into motion to great success. In spite of surprising resistance, the multinational landing force worked together "very well", as described by an anonymous high-ranking officer overseeing the operation. Asked for comment, the Marine Corps public relations office stated that “this new turn in the war only reinforces the importance of Marines, and the flexibility in operations they can execute…”’
>>45264714Also, I agree with you about tanks. At least, insofar with the idea of tank vs tank warfare. Terrorists don't have very good tanks, so we should move towards a cheaper armored cavalry vehicle so we aren't spending millions of dollars to blow up a hut or a Orky killer kan.
>>45264993>>45265012Fuck, I had a polandball for this but now I can't find it.
>>45265050>Not ZERO G-LOVE because they float like in spacehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLby7Y7ZFY>>45265056Noice
>>45264825>>45264835>>45264833Yes, because wasting precious non-renewable resources in dickwaving is a great idea.Those low gas prices are gonna stay forever right m8?
>>45265105If you're fighting a war or combat or whatever, who cares about the price of gas.I meant from a logistical standpoint, only murrica has the necessary support arm to keep a fuel hog like the Abrams running.
>>45265056How much explosive force would be required to blow apart that mountain entirely?Because I'm looking at that and the only thing I see is a mass grave site for all the Marines and JSDF guys going in.
>>45265105I too await the nuclear-powered Abrams of the future. Also we still haven't hit "peak oil" yet lel.
>>45265050https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB6i6wJH6gkI hope planefag has a prepared song list for Naka's concert.
>>45265144Necessity is the mother of invention. Every time we come close to running out, new methods and sources are discovered, increasing the supply again.
>>45265153>Robert Thicke dueting with RankanojustnoRanka is not for lewds!
>>45265131But why have something like the Abrams in first place when it's not actually being used to its fullest extent.
>>45265035>America >defund the military hell would freeze over before we would defund our military and turn to the EU military model
>>45265120Germans did it first
>>45265144Yeah. Remember in the 70's when the world was about to implode from overpopulation and every oil well going dry?Yeah... now look at gas prices at your local gas station.>>45265206One upping the Russians, of course! Let's pretend we're all about to go to war with each other! Forever!We've always been at war with Eurasia!
>>45265219Who do you think we got the idea from? Hans Ulrich-Rudel helped to design it.
>>45265237You seem a bit mad, anon.
>>45265260Not really. I'm having fun, actually.
>>45265260>I don't actually have a replyC'mon at least put some effort into the shitposting. Everyone else is doing so.
gonna fire up world of destroyers the entire time I'm in this thread
>>45265219I did nazi that coming.
>>45265260Oh course he's mad. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
>>45265206Because the MIC distributed the manufacturing for it all over the country and got politicians to keep ordering it so their constituents would have jobs. Even when the army says "Please stop, we have enough."
>>45265246>America using Nazi-derived technology designed by Nazis and assisted directly by Nazishuh
>>45265307I'm not mad, fuck youIn before you have to be or you wouldn't be here. fucker
>>45265211Which means we have to raise taxes to pay for it cause weapons and shit are expensive and we are probably going to be stuck with some flavor of the year jihad group for a while.
>>45265329See: our entire space program.
>>45265206Because at the time it was originally made, it WAS needed?Holy fuck you ignorant hippy fucknozzle, learn your history, from the introduction of the T-64 until the M829A2 long-rod, the russians had parity or a slight edge in armored combat with their kontakt-5 equipped T-72Bs.The M60 was completely outclassed once the T-64 got a gun-launcher and ERA.And guess what, the army doens't fucking replace shit every 10 years.The Abrams will be the go-to for at least antoher 15-20 years.
>>45265307There's a reason why the-place-which-shall-not-be -named is called what it is.
>>45265329Also, the engineers who designed the B-2 directly copied the Horten HO-229 which was in Smithsonian Storage. In point of fact, America was the place the most Nazis ended up, due in part to Operation Paperclip.
>>45265035>They want to focus on social programs, not the military.We can fucking do both. If your owed a few thousand dollars that guy has a problem, if your owed a few trillion, you have a problem.
>>45265376The M1A2 is expected to remain in service until about 2050.
>>45265055>The B-52 can't directly support the infantry, though.Uh, B-52s have been flying CAS sorties using JDAMs for several years now, chum. That sounds like infantry support to me.
>>45265376It's not MY history :^)
>>45265341Hate, you turned an 18 inch cannon into a man portable weapon system, made nice-nice with multiple ship-girls AND you are the boss of the corgis.Of course you are mad.
>>45265397We could, but you gotta remember that a lot of those social programs don't actually work as well as the public wants them to, and so there's constant demands to throw more money at it.Like healthcare. America spends the most on healthcare in the world, but we have a mediocre rating in global health. So what should we do? Maybe change our eating habits? Not smoke? Nah, let's have a giant fucking huge government healthcare system modeled after the VA.
>>45265392Wehraboo get out. The B2 was primary based off of Jack Northrup's flying wing concepts.
>>45265341Given how you sound, I don't have to.
>>45265392And now we're about to have one in office.The more things change...
>>45265453Design programs that work, for one?
>>45265467Actually, I honestly think that a lot of what people say about the Wunderwaffe is bullshit. The Germans were falling behind, yeah they had a few good ideas, but they had way too many people frittering away on too many maybes to focus on one or two yes.
>>45265392>the engineers who designed the B-2 directly copied the Horten HO-229Not really, Northrop (the predecessor of the Northrop Grumman, the guys who made the B-2) made multiple flying wing designs before they made the B-2. It was similar but not a direct copy.
>>45265439You're missing the point. Once the B-52 drops it's JDAMs it has to fuck off back to base to re-arm, not to mention the time it takes to get there. That isn't direct support.
>>45265453>modeled after the VA.The VA used to be used to be MUCH better before politicians gutted it to save on taxing the rich. And our healthcare isn't made to be cost effective, it's made to make sure healthcare insurance companies are rich enough to keep bribing politicians to make sure the insurance companies can afford to bribe politicians.
>>45265467Yeah, Naziboos can fuck off.I was just watching a documentary on rocketry that talked about both the German and American programs and it turns out there was a lot of "great minds think alike" going on. They faced the same physics and had similar solutions to them. The Germans did some mechanical things better, but overall the American rocket program was just as good as the German rocket program, although not directed at ballistic missiles of course.The American and German rocket scientists working together is the real story of post-war NASA, not "yeah we just hired Nazis and they did all the work." People always forget Goddard's achievements and focus on the stupid Nazi superscience propaganda.
>>45265527And once any other plane expends all of its munitions it also has to fuck off.The shark mouths on A-10s are painted, not functional.
>>45265527A B-52 carries enough JDAMs that by the time it has to rearm, whatever needs killing is probably dead 20 times over.
>>45265548I think it's because Von Braun was directly involved with putting an American on the moon, while Goddard lived at a time when rocketry was fairly in its early trial-and-error stages.
>>45265517>>45264880Featured - one of such ideas.
>>45265392>America was where the most Nazis ended up>Not Chile Argentina, brazil, or you know germany since we didnt do anything to the local level Nazi party members.you crazy son.Hell we paperclipped more Japanese war criminals than we did Germans.
>>4526558124 500lb JDAMs in the internal bay alone. Or over a hundred SDBs.
>>45265531>And our healthcare isn't made to be cost effective, it's made to make sure healthcare insurance companies are rich enough to keep bribing politicians to make sure the insurance companies can afford to bribe politicians.No, actually it's because Americans make horrible health decisions and had to deal with nuclear fallout that led to big spikes in cancer rates.>only America has private health insurgence companies>if we just throw money at people, they'll magically become healthierIm-fucking-plying. Insurance isn't healthcare and it isn't health either. You can pay for an American's health insurance all you want, and it won't change the obesity rate, the cancer rate, the homicide rate, the amount of nutrition children get, or do simple things like wash their hands, brush their teeth, don't abuse drugs, and clean up after yourself.The "dumb fat American" meme isn't universal or even very common, but it does exist and it does affect health statistics. A large section of America is poor, stupid, and enjoys its awful hedonistic lifestyle; but refuses to consider that the fact they get mouth cancer or have liver failure is their fault. Instead, they blame rich people.
>>45265517German stuff was generally overengineered clunky and unreliable, and when put together with haphazard methods of assemby and general shitty quality of materials well it was shit.
>>45265685"Hey guys, maybe we shouldn't have relied on slave labor that actively hates our guts for what we're doing to them."
>>45265704Proof that divide and conquer tactics will eventually bite you in the ass.
>>45265669>>45265685>>45265660Can we all just discuss the glorious benefits of using a Cryocopter, guys?
Orbital-elevatorfag here again.Have any of the big shipping companies looked at flying/SSTO transport craft yet?captcha is boats army drink up
>>45265735>putting a freeze ray on a helicopterIt'd be more useful to put it on something like a C-130
>>45265531>And our healthcare isn't made to be cost effective, it's made to make sure healthcare insurance companies are rich enough to keep bribing politicians to make sure the insurance companies can afford to bribe politicians.>http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-healthcare-insurers-idUSL1N0V71TQ20150128If it were up to the insurance companies the Obamacare act would've gone through much faster. Profit is predicated in having predictability, and that works much better when people can actually use their healthcare.
>>45265740Mate.Mate please.Learn some shit before you spout some shit.
>>45265740Probably not, as both are rather impractical and massively expensive compared to transport ships.
>>45265751Forget the freezeray, I want that cryocopter's shrink ray!>With the cryocopter, you can turn Musashi into a chibi version of herself
>>45265740There's a reason why big cargo is transported by ship, anon.
>>45265740You do realize how expensive rockets are, right? And you're talking about the non-reusable kind?
>>45265785>>45265799>>45265811If the seas are untenable, and your shit keeps getting fucking eaten en route to their destinations (sometimes literally), perhaps it's time to think of something else hmm?
>>45265704well not only that but their factory organization was a joke because lolfascism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6xLMUifbxQ&feature=youtu.be&t=26m15s
>>45265819Sometimes when you think about something the answer is "Yeah, nah, this still isn't worth it, practical, or feasible"
>>45265819Oh you meant in-quest.Pretty sure planefag mentioned they're using air transport for important shit but it's nowhere near cost-effective.
>>45265819Perhaps if we had literally infinite money, time, resources, research facilities, etc. For the time being, no.
>>45265819so how did you go from ships space ships did you look at airplanes and think they were to hipster for you
>>45265819>What is the convoy system?
>>45265834Less "Lolfascism" and more "The Waffenamt are micromanaging retards.".
>>45265669>No, actually it's because Americans make horrible health decisions and had to deal with nuclear fallout that led to big spikes in cancer rates.There can be multiple reasons. >>only America has private health insurgence companies The problem isn't unique to America but we do have a lot of it.>>if we just throw money at people, they'll magically become healthierIf we sin tax junk food and finance healthy food and gyms that would make a difference.And money does help, it is why the military has a huge budget (not saying to cut military spending just stating) If I were to start a business I could spend my money well or I could spend it on shit, but If my budget is huge I have more margin for error and more ability to work with economies of scale than if I can barely afford to run a business. And yes we are entirely too fat and lazy.
>>45264174The waters just outside Bantam Bay were a scene of pandemonium. But within that chaos, the Perth and the Houston were now surrounded. There would be no escape. The lack of ammunition on the Allied cruisers was now becoming desperate. At around midnight Captain Waller was informed that the Perth ’s 6in ammunition was almost gone and they were reduced to using practice rounds. He responded with, “Very good."
>>45265669Can confirm that British people and Canadians eat just as much shitty junk food, if not more, than Americans and yet have lower healthcare costs because they did the smart thing and socialized their healthcare.
>>45265817Nope.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-stage-to-orbit>>45265867Nope.From the Abyssal recruiter earlier on in the thread:>If you tried to go to Hawaii, we'd shoot down your airliner as target practice during the approach.
>>45265881Huh, looks like Hamp's getting either a Brother or a Sister, assuming they come back on our side.
>>45265819Keep in mind you can pretty much only make orbital elevators on the equator unless you have way better science and money.
>>45265904Holy shit, I can't believe you actually think this is remotely feasible. Seriously, even with SSTO, it would be an order of magnitude more expensive than even standard air transport, and you would carry FAR less cargo.
>>45265904still several magnitudes more expensive than airplanes so it isn't cost effective
>>45265904>No Earth-launched SSTO launch vehicles have ever been constructed.>From the Abyssal recruiter earlier on in the thread:>Taking the word of some randomfuck anon jonesing for rpHow about we take the word of the quest instead, where we flew across the entire pacific ocean and just now flew all the way to indonesia.
>>45265878Well, I'd argue those bad management policies were an outgrowth of the collusive and corporatist policies/structures of the German fascist state, but yeah.
>>45265904If they shoot down incoming airliners, what stops them from shooting down your expensive SSTO on approach? It still has to slow down to land.
>>45265740>Cost per ton to LEO: $19 million>Cost per ton-mile, Aircraft: $4.63>Cost per ton-mile, Ship: 10 fucking cents.To get a ton of cargo from Los Angeles to Yokohama should only cost around $550 by ship. By air, over $25k. By rocket? Lol.
>>45265987From what I understand of it, Nazi Germany was Ayn Rand's wet dream carried out in real life. Given all the factionalism and in fighting that was "looking out for number one," involved.
>>45265986>How about we take the word of the quest instead, where we flew across the entire pacific ocean and just now flew all the way to indonesia.Pretty much thit. WWII / Pre-WWII ship-based AA can't do shit at commercial jet cruising altitudes.
>>45264174“There is no adjective superlative enough to describe the performance of the Perth and the Houston in this, the last hour of their lives and the lives of Hector Waller, Albert Rooks and a good portion of their crews. In their last stand, dead tired, surrounded, almost out of ammunition, chances of escape gone, they roared in defiance at the Japanese aggressors, firing every gun they had with every piece of ammunition they had, holding on for as long as they could. Somewhere, Leonidas and his 300 Spartans from Thermopylae must have looked on with approval. But there were just too many torpedoes.”
“No,” you whisper. “All ships, hold course. Light forces - make your speed five knots. Cruisers, pick it up to twenty till you reach your stations. Frigates, keep station.” The go-pro feeds of your cruisers begin to dart to and fro, the girls twitching towards every strange eddy of fog. The seafloor is uneven here, sandbars coming up to within feet of the surface at a few points, the faint silhouettes of warning bouys bobbing out of the fog, drawing nervous gun muzzles in turn before they're dismissed. The gunboats keep moving, their muffled motors barely audible over the shallow waves lapping against their hulls. “I hear them,” Jintsuu whispers. “They're close.”“They're coming,” Ooi replies. “Boat five,” a strained whisper comes. “Visual.”
>>45266027>Ayn Rand's wet dream carried out in real life.I thought that was satanists.
>>45265879>"let's just tax things"OH YEAH, THAT WORKED FOR CIGARETTES, RIGHT? OH, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BAN IT TOO, LIKE WE TRIED TO DO DURING PROHIBITION.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUi6spQ9M0Your eyes flick to his feed - and see the faint phosphorescence of a wake just barely visible in the water not fifteen-hundred yards off his bow. After a few seconds, you can make out the faintest hint of something low and sleek and lethal sliding through the mist like a dark wraith. “Boat three, visual. Looks like a destroyer.” “Boat two, visual.” “Boat one, requesting permission to engage.” “Boat four, we have bead on a destroyer, requesting permission to fire.”“Boat three, think we have torpedo boats.” Red icons begin flowering one after another on the tactical track. “I can't see them,” Kitakami says, her voice low and bitter with frustration. “No visual,” Sendai says. “Requesting permission to launch with radar,” Jintsuu says. “No,” you hiss, more and more tentative icons springing up around your screening gunboats. “Not yet.” The drums are almost deafening now, racing your heartbeat towards the breaking point as sweat trickles down your bow. “Wait for it.”“Wait for what?” “Boat three, I think we've been spotted, something's coming this way.”“Wait.”“Boat three, I can't!” “WAIT.”Boat three's director slews around towards the low, dark object cutting a faint wake in its direction, fog churning as its bow cleaves the air, stern digging into the water as it accelerates - - the drums stop. The world pauses between breaths - every go-pro feed still as statues, every gunboat's throttle cut, even the incoming torpedo boat's bow sinking into the water as it slows to listen.
>>45266092Nah Satanists seem pretty chill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hppjpF3o0Z4The booming answer thunders through your breast to echo in the chambers of your heart. Nine thunderous rolls, simple might that seems to carry clear through your being and pluck you off your feet, sweeping you to battle stations like a force of nature - the heartbeat of a warship coming to life.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEeEUPrIDaoNine thunderous blasts blossom in the darkness beyond the Island, booming reports echoing down the narrow channel to pummel the ears of your force. Eight more soon follow, the lighter, higher whistle of six-inch shells barely audible at several miles distance. The night beyond the hulking island lights up with violence, muzzle flashes diffused by fog, reports confused by the constant echoes off the shore. “What the fuck?” Goto breathes. “And now,” you growl, “for the hammer, you abyssal motherfuckers. Light forces, engage, engage, engage!” Boat three's director feed vanishes in staccato flashes as its 57mm and 40mm guns open up at once, HE shells finding their mark with bright flashes as the shadowy torpedo boat literally disintegrates. They're far too close to fire their Exocets, but they're already losing themselves in the fog hundreds of yards distant when the enemy destroyers fire their first shells. “Light boats, decoy flares, now!”
>>45266097Oh fuck me. It's a bloody pitched battle now.INFANTRY, SQUARE!
>>45265959>Suddenly Brazil, Colombia, the Congo, and... Indonesia... is prime real estate.>>45265974Necessity is the mother of invention.We're currently not being hard-pressed for the need for such vehicles. If the situation turns...>>45266005Landing strips are located further inland. Hmm. I guess with this, SSTO is not needed.>>45266032Abyssal recruiter mentioned 'on approach' likely meaning as it comes in for landing.captcha is boats keep drinking army
They obey immediately, the incandescent brilliance of magnesium flares searing through the mist as they arc up and away from the swift little vessels, blinding optics and spoiling night vision of anyone looking at them. “I see them!” Tenryuu says. “Bearing two-two-two degrees, dead ahead!” Her pointing finger has picked out the silhouette of a destroyer, backlit by the line of flares. “Cruisers,” you say. “Guns free. Hold torpedoes.” As one, your ships turn broadside and loose their cannons. Fog churns and sea foams as five-point-five inch shells come screaming in on the flat-footed destroyers, their bows sweeping left-to-right as they struggle to come about and increase speed. The diesel-powered gunboats and their corvette shepherds have already left them in the dust as they race to clear the island and reach the main scrap. [ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates. [ ] Press ahead with all forces, missile boats screening for the light cruisers - this is the moment!
>>45266125We were right to trust! WE WERE RIGHT TO TRUST!
>>45266145>[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266095>MAYBE WE SHOULD BAN IT TOO,I never said that.And cigarette consumption as a percent of the population is way down, but the population is growing so a smaller percent of the population can have a larger economic impact.And guess what, I like a lot of Americans do in fact factor in the price of the food that I put in my face.
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45265053also what the hell are you all talking about
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.The last time a battle was fought here, torpedoes from one side caused troubles for both. Make sure those destroyers can't repeat history.
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates. LINE INFANTRY, HOLD! LET THE SKIRMISHERS DO THEIR THING!
>>45266139Again, COST MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT? LITERALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER TON. MILLIONS.
>that feel when you have no idea what options are correct and can't justify a voting for anything because I don't want to contribute to a dumbass bandwagoning momentG-good luck guys. I wish somebody would explain some of the consequences of the options...
>>45266145>[x] Press ahead with all forces, missile boats screening for the light cruisers - this is the moment!We have the momentum. Let's keep it going!
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.Abyssals like pulling bullshit way too much to just rush in.
>>45266145>[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.The last one to commit his reserves wins.
>>45266190We were discussing the reticence of the Air Force to retire the A-10 given the Army's expressed desire to acquire them in that situation.
>>45266125>>45266145SURPRISE, MOTHERFUCKERS>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates. Combined arms!I'm sorely tempted to press the moment of surprise though. I'm torn.
>>45266145[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.Hold back just a bit. We don't know what else is lurking out there. It could be a more sizable force and we can't over-commit too early here.
>>45266169Can confirm, eating healthy is stupid expensive in most of the USA. I've lived in six states across the nation and it's the same everywhere.
>>45266125>9 heavy Shells>8 6" shellsHouston and Perth, gentlemen.
>>45266145[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates. There's no way this is all the abyssals brought, be cautious
>>45266219>The last one to commit his reserves wins.Or you could be sending your forces in piecemeal waves to get wiped out by a concentrated force.But yeah, reserves are good. We just gotta not pretend this is a game of chicken.
>>45266139Necessity isn't going to magically create the goddamn materials you NEED to pull shit shit off.
>>45266145>[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.Launch those missiles before it devolves into a brawl.
>>45266219That definitely worked for Blucher.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLflPilcMc
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.This is only the opening act, there's no way the Abyssals haven't caught on that Settle has balls of American Freedom.
>>45266190Apparently this.Also somebody keeps ragging on about orbital elevators and orbital transports.>[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266145>[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.I am a methodical bastard by nature, and to date Settle has been measured in his tactics as well. Let's keep things orderly as long as we can.
>>45266209IT's a feel, yep.I do at least know that friendly fire incidents would probably be ah... especially bad, right now?
>>45266095How about subsidizing shit that doesn't actively kill you when it goes down your gullet instead.
>>45266145>[x] Press ahead with all forces, missile boats screening for the light cruisers - this is the moment!waaagh!
>>45266257Well, our reserve is this instance is still pretty close. We can commit them quickly if we have to.
>>45266139Let's just put it into perspective, the AN-225, the LARGEST PLANE IN THE WORLD has a cargo capacity less than 1/100th of a cargo ship. And cost WAY more to transport stuff via AN-225 than by ship.
>>45266145OHHH YEAH BABY! WE'VE WELL AND TRULY CAUGHT THEM FLAT-FOOTED AND NAPPING WITH THEIR PANTS AROUND THEIR ANKLES!God there is NOTHING like a well-executed ambush!>[o] Press ahead with all forces, missile boats screening for the light cruisers - this is the moment!We have the abyssals completely reeling, by my estimation! Press the attack with extreme prejudice!
>>45266125oh, man Houston's going to go fucking nuts when he finds out that NASA control is in Houston and what NASA is.
>>45266292>Warboss>not dictatorSieg Heil-desu~
>>45266125I LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNING ABYSSAL IN THE MORNING! >[ x ] Take your time
>>45266209We just made contact with presumably their outermost escort forces, who were not expecting us at all. They also were not expecting salvos of cruiser guns (STRAYA CUNT).At the moment, they are in disarray. We know this isn't the whole force. If we take the time to arrange ourselves to use our standoff weapons, we can use them to effect on the main enemy body. However, the time spent doing that will also allow the enemy to come to their senses and muster their escorts/scatter the transports we're assuming they have.If we press the attack now, we'll be able to run amuck before the enemy can organize. This is the kind of fight that the japs were masters of, the kind that gave us some of our roughest defeats. On the other hand, it means that our standoff weaponry can't be used to safe effect, and it might still actually be a trap.
>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266145[x] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266318NASA is dead, apparently.
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates. Kill those motherfuckers.AND SOMEONE GET ON THE HORN WITH HOUSTON AND PERTH, WE NEED COMMS TO DIRECT THEM AND PROVIDE THEM WTIH ESR!
So we know they came back, but how do we know they're on our side?Did we see their shots hit the abyssals and I just missed it?
>>45266242>"eating healthy is expensive">he thinks "healthy" means "organic"Current price of bananas is 60 cents a pound. Beef is a 1.65 dollars a pound.But never mind that, one hamburger please. With a large fry.Let's face it, the real problem is consumerist culture and our own bad habits. Not some imaginary conspiracy of corporations. Businessmen are actually quite dumb when it comes to long term planning and easily swayed by fads and consultants.
Man, everybody keeps talking about Perth and Houston, but what about Evertsen?I mean, what happened to her wasn't quite as dramatic as Perth and Houston, but she sunk there as well, doesn't she deserve to be remembered?
>>45266145>[ ] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.The place is too cramped and low visibility to go all out.
>>45266245Houston with her rear turret intact, even.Historically, it was taken out by an airstrike prior to the first battle of the Java Sea.>>45266366Indeed, good point.
>>45266366Who do you think we are fighting?
>>45266139>Abyssal recruiter mentioned 'on approach' likely meaning as it comes in for landing.>trusting the words of someone that planefag has yet to acknowledge at all
>>45266383>>45266331I hope someone is keeping tab of this in CMANO right now.
>>45266145>[x] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.Lets not charge in till we can determine who is who and where to best use our forces.
>>45266366There was also the destroyer Witt de With, who was close enough to see the battles, but her crew wasn't even trained on the ship. Her captain understandably chose not to engage, but she was found and sunk anyhow.
>>45266366Also, gimme my Dutch ship(s), Planefag!
>>45266350those creaky old wrecks range their shots at night by licking a finger and sticking it out in the windwhat if they're trying to hit US?
>>45266366>>45266383Well, perhaps we should call out to her too. Anybody else in local that we can ping?
>>45266409I honestly, sincerely considered it on my drive home from work, but the confusion of this melee is too much for me to reasonably tabulate.
>>45266350>AND SOMEONE GET ON THE HORN WITH HOUSTON AND PERTH, WE NEED COMMS TO DIRECT THEM AND PROVIDE THEM WTIH ESR!word yo
>>45266145>[x] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266426The only way we can find out either way, without them hitting us stupidly, is to actually talk to them.Either we get full abyssal spoopy shit going or we get 2 cruisers to commit.Either way, we know that we either have to deal with them or adapt the plan to sudden reinforcements.
>>45266409Can CMANO even do WWII-era ships?
>>45266145[o] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.
>>45266409>CMANOAs of first contact.
>>45266485Remember when someone transcribed the battle of the Bonins last year? It doesn't really have to be exact copies, just representations.
>>45266331Okay, good.See, what I thought was that they were expected us because >>45266129 said it was a pitched battle, which to me implied that the Abyssals wanted a fight here at this location.Thank you.And based on my own interpretation of the available evidence...>>45266145>[X] Press ahead with all forces, missile boats screening for the light cruisers - this is the moment!I'm going against consensus, but I don't think we can expect to fight some waiting surprise, like a hidden battleship or carrier task force, whether we act cautiously or not.Our job here is to batter this fleet at this chokepoint and then get the fuck out when they start countering our shit.We might do enough damage for them to call this whole thing off, or we could do enough damage to strike again later or perhaps be able to repel them at whereever their objective is.This does not seem like a "hold the line" situation to me. This is an ambush at a choice point. We either rout them here or we call it a day and get the fuck away from them while they limp along like madmen.
>>45266485It has some hulls, mainly in the cold war database, if they could have been used after the war. And of course ones that WERE used after the war- Iowa and Essex are in there, and Higgins of course.WW2 gunnery combat is not its strong point.
>>45266528Here we go, ladies.
IS GOOD DESIGN, NO?
>>45266528>>45266545Oh well.I would ask that the battle analysis continue, though. Not just for my benefit, but for the general benefit as well.I can't imagine what it's like for people who aren't even slightly /k/. It must seem like some Gundam or video game battle.
>>45266574it looks like it would rek face right through the 1910s, if you could actually train russians to sail
>>45266545And that is where you make your mistake.We don't know the exact make up of the enemy fleet or its disposition, by committing to early we may very well be fucked by their follow-on or by surviving destroyers doing torpedo runs.No matter how superior the force appears to be, we can't get complacent or sloppy.I mean, shit, we're a fucking AMERICAN NAVAL OFFICER. We have a TRADITION to uphold and having a large, modern cruiser force fucked up by a bunch of confused and outgunned destroyers is a fucking betrayal of everything.
>>45266574I can't tell if that's a pre or post-dreadnought design.
>>45266656Also, if we don't wreck this Abyssal force to the point of non-effectiveness... well, Jakarta is real close by, and it is a coastal city...-6.123631, 106.790941
>>45266383>>45266366Evertsen might just not have opened up yet since her 4" guns might be out of range.On that note, once Perth closes the range and opens up on the abyssal light ships with her piles of 4" DP guns, we're going to see some serious shit.
>>45266574>casemate gunsHope you like flooding on the high seas.>no AAThis is a problem. Then again, it seems to be a pre-WWI design, so it wasn't considered.
>>45266757>Hope you like flooding on the high seas.It's a Russian warship, if it can't sink, what else does it have going for it?
>>45266707>>45266685>>45266757It's one of Russia's first Dreadnoughts, from 1909.IIRC it had one 3"gun as AA, like most ships of it's era.
>>45266574I am deeply skeptical of guns that can't fire directly ahead without hitting part of the ship. Really, I'm skeptical of guns that can be trained on the ship at all. Seems like it's just begging for stupid accidents.
>>45266781If you beach it, it can be a good blockhouse?
>>45266656We aren't commanding American cruisers though, correct?I mean, one could make the argument to do as you said and follow our own doctrine, or we can follow the doctrine of who we're commanding.I'm not going to say which is right or wrong, maybe it depends on the situation, but I really do think that hit and runs will inflict more damage in a short period of time while limiting damage to our own force; and attempting to wait and see for the other shoe to drop will result in us being even more cautious, have to focus on a powerful ship that is still supported by its escorts. That shoe has yet to drop, but let's say there is a big ship and we charged. It's destroyers are now gone and we can focus on it, rather than having to deal with a relatively undamaged force.The only navy I've ever commanded was the Battleship board game, but I do know about regular squad tactics. A bunch of wounded fire teams + a tank is better than a bunch of fire teams assuming defensive positions + a tank. We need to go fast, not wait for the first volley.
>>45266799If you like vodka and squatting, sure.
>>45266787The design was like that specifically to alleviate the topweight issues that resulted from having superfiring turrets.This was at a period where Dreadnought combat was completely intended to be broadside shelling, so having the firepower distributed like that was not seen as a problem.
>>45266805I'm honestly worried about running into a sea of torpedoes if we charge ahead. Hanging back we can turn the sky into missiles and the sea into torpedoes regardless. We let them come ALL the way into the strait.Also god damn you all, updating my cmano plots to follow the fap angel's
[X] Take your time with those destroyers - let the missile boats find and fix enemies and friendlies, and engage with Harpoons from the frigates.So what just happened?
>>45266805You can take your NIGHT BATTLE DECISIVE BATTLE shit right the fuck home, weeaboo.Mixing it up with destroyers in close is a recipe for disaster, WE LITERALLY HAVE THE SPIRIT OF THE EVIDENCE OF THIS ON THIS BASE.Shell them to fucking death, try to get AWACS and/or JSTARS into the AO to do a racetrack from our side of the straight to at least get some coverage, and keep the torps in as long as possible to draw the enemy into a place where they'll be sitting ducks.
>>45266874STRAYA CUNT+MURICAN CRUISER=a bunch of totally disorganized abyssals.
>>45266871Well they weren't expecting us, so why would there be torpedoes? I guess they could launch them quickly, but it's not like they'd be able to get a good bead on us.
>>45266874HMAS Perth, USS Houston and maybe HNLMS Evertsen just happened.
>>45266889Does that mean we're getting more shipsluts?>>45266881This guy gets it.
>>45266907They don't have to have a bead, they just have to know "holy shit, enemy combatants dead ahead"The battle that did Perth and Houston in the first time featured TOO MANY torpedoes
>>45266966Or shipboys. Probably.
>>45266874https://a pomf cat/qtrafq.webmLike this, but with ships.And a sad lack of CCR.
>>45266972Just ask Mogami about that one.
>>45267015Fairly sure pomf isn't filtered, so you should just link it properlyhttps://a.pomf.cat/qtrafq.webm
>>45266990Adn then we will want based pixelfag art.And we will not get it and it will be sad.Probably.
>>45266485Not especially well.But since we just want it to show a map, rather than simulating the battle, that's perfectly doable.
>>45266799https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battleship_Petropavlovsk_%281911%29>The rear part of the ship was later refloated and she was used as a floating battery although all of her 120 mm guns were removed. Initially only the two rearmost turrets were operable, but the second turret was repaired by the autumn of 1942. She fired a total of 1,971 twelve-inch shells during the Siege of Leningrad. In December 1941 granite slabs 40–60 millimeters (1.6–2.4 in) thick from the nearby harbor walls were laid on her decks to reinforce her deck protection. Another transverse bulkhead was built behind frame 57 and the space between them was filled with concrete to prevent her sinking if the original bulkhead was ruptured.You called it.
>>45266990pls no shipboystoo super special, when all of the canon examples are femaleit's like having female space marines
>>45267015Easily corrected.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I...and the MPs are coming back. Hmm. Time to relocate.(captcha is food)(Akagi no you're giving away my position)
>>45266881Hey, I don't know nothin' bout no Jap battle doctrine.I just know our cruisers are built for speed.>x died to something, so that means someone else willLook, maybe you're right in this circumstance, I'm not entirely sure and just trying to argue for some zoom and booming in the next vote because we're arguing about a decision that can no longer be changed, however I really don't like this whole idea of fatalism.I mean the Abyssals tried to Pearl Harbor us and it was a nothing burger. Scared the shit out of everyone, sure, but nothing happened in that situation that is comparable to the losses taken at Pearl itself.There are indeed good strategies; but sometimes things come down to luck, ignorance, human error, and simply pressing your advantages.There's always been situations in war that were the result of terrible ideas that should have gotten people killed, but they didn't because the other side had bad aim. If we had Audie Murphy Quest here on /tg/, a lot of people who make the argument to not get on that tank because it's a dumb idea that'd get us killed. We don't know the future. Acting cautious doesn't always save us, acting rashly doesn't always kill us. What is certain is those who do not act do not accomplish anything.But back to what we're debating about, if destroyers are better at knife fights than cruisers, fine. Whatever. I'd hope someone has a good plan for the next step to give us an advantage, because we just lost a good chance to catch the Abyssals with their thumbs up their cunts.You don't need to reply. I don't need replies. I just want to get this out of my system.
>>45267084But we already have Hamp and Harder.
>>45266787So anon, your designers say they have enough room for a fifth gun, where do you put it?
Because the thread seems to have slowed down, I'm going to throw this tidbit out. Winston Churchill once said that Naval tradition, "is Rum, sodomy, and the lash." Well, during WWII it was just rum and sodomy, and now it's solely the sodomy.
>>45267142and I don't like it
>>45267157At this rate, in 50 years there won't even be any sodomy anymore.
>>45266787I'm sure they can make it so that it cannot be fired when it's pointing at the ship. Just like how aircraft can shoot without blowing their propellers to bits
>>45267084Let's get Shinano and make it a shipboy for parity.
>>45267084>>45267167Confirmed for butthurt he-actually-plays-the-game! weeaboo.
>>45267188Good thing Planefag will never let that particular tradition die.
>>45267084You know, this is a terrible post. Not because you're wrong, but because you make Homo Zeppelin think he's trolling you when he does the opposite.Like, I get that he likes his pillow fort, but it doesn't help the quest.
>>45266366She's obviously running late. Just like she did at the actual battle.
>>45267208Except in the AWOL writeups, Shinano is both an abyssal and a girl.
So, now that planefag has confirmed that feelthyHornet is the ultimate faggot, why is any of his shit canon anyway?
>>45267234the what writeups?
>>45267247THE SALT ARRIVESWe haven't missed you.
>>45267084>it's like having female space marinesAdepta Sororitas
>>45267188In the US Navy at least, they got rid of the lash in 1861 and alcohol in 1914, so yeah.
Map with reference points updated with rough recreations of planefag's boat positions.Two new reference points that may be of particular note.And yes, those are accurate locations, down the second in the coordinates. That was the most time consuming thingDefer to planefag's screens for true data
>>45267129You're forgetting the ENTIRE reason we brought CLs and arranged our formation as it is.We don't want to waste our loads against little fish like DEs. We have guns, range and ESM over them, so they'll die soon enough.We need to save our formation, cohesion, and torpedoes for whatever it is the DEs are screening, and catch then when they're trying to navigate the island.Plus I can't be certain but I'm reasonably sure Hate and the Corgis are air-dropped behind the enemy formation to attempt a rear attack and/or capture.
>>45267247because it's still pretty good shit>>45267249http://pastebin.com/kU64DrFAhttp://pastebin.com/UhnEeqp5they're okaynot sure how canonical they're likely to be, given that #2 at least vaguely contradicts the Erry and Terry stuff which has been seen to be more canon
>>45267247I'll respond to you, so Deme doesn't have to.
>>45267302Then who fucking cares.
>>45267285Yes, key reminder to everybody present.The corgis are not in the water.The corgis are not on these maps.Consider what this means, and grin in sadistic glee.
>>45267304I'm sure he'll answer anyway since he can't resist talking about drama, if yesterday's thread is anything to go by
>>45267247SALT-KUN your salt is legendary
So how the fuck do we know Perth and Houston came back on our side?
>>45267399 They shoot at the bad guys, of course.
>>45267302...It does? This is news to both me and AWOL's author; can you expand on where you think the issue is so we can cuss & discuss?
>>45267157So do we need to bring back rum and the lash or increase the amount of sodomy?
>>45267302#2 is canon, it's why Crab had Poi in drydock.
>>45267399Well, they could possibly not be on our side (given how we didn't seem to actually reach out to them ourselves)... but they sure as hell-fuck aren't on the Abyssal's side.
>>45267339Air-deployed PT Corgis?
>>45267414But here's the problem. When they went down, the enemy were Japanese. They might mistake our girls for enemies and act as such.
>>45267422IIRC, Buchanan= Campbelton or however it was spelled. I mean, it's not a DIRECT contradiction, but it IS questionable.
>>45267427No, no, that's the joke. The whole "gay sailor," stereotype and how Hamp and Settle were capitalizing on it a few threads and then many threads back.
>>45267414>>45267444Did they?I didn't see anything about the effects of their shots, just that they had in fact fired their guns.
>>45267399We aren't, refer to my post wayyyyyy back up here, that will at least try to confirm one way or the other: >>45266350
>>45267422>>45267479also sup dude, those writeups are pretty boss. \o/
>>45267234Has there been any more AWOL since Shinano got shanghai'd?I really like the idea of a mixed faction cast like that. Good oppertunities for both sides to explain their beliefs and cultures, and for the audience to compare and contrast. We know their are sentient abyssals, but we don't know what it's like to be a sentient abyssal very well. Erry and Terry seem to be a weird cell of cannibalistic opportunists that found some old radio equipment and decided to start broadcasting. I'd be interested to know if any other abyssals are similarly entrepreneurial.I don't think there's anything resembling a civilization or even something that could be called a city populated by Abyssals at the bottom of the ocean, but future writeups could continue to show signs of a nascent society. Of obviously vengeful reverent boatsluts, but still it's interesting from a xenofiction point of view. Maybe we'll never see what would eventually result, but it'd be neat if an Abyssal culture developed.And adding to this, AWOL is obviously going to have Abyssals and Shipgirls interacting in a somewhat friendly circumstance. That's gotta be a huge source of information if it ever gets back to Settle. Probably will fill us in on the fact Terror has a radio station that's giving everyone nightmares.>>45267302I think both writefags agreed to basically share the same ship by splitting her soul when she got renamed.I kinda like that one half of the destroyer's soul got boarded and turned abyssal, while the other half of the ship's soul boards other ships and could potentially save herself.I wonder if they'd fuse if they met...
>>45267479Oh, yes, certainly. The USS Buchanan was traded to England as part of the Destroyers for Bases agreement and was renamed to Campbeltown. Her final mission was a fireship raid that ended in, quite frankly, astonishing success with every last odd against her, right down to essentially wearing a Groucho Marx mask as a fucking disguise. Thank you for expanding.
>>45267273Those aren't fucking space marines faggot.
>>45267484Abyssals seemed to fire back, though. That particular section of ocean is in chaos - and so far, none of that fury is directed at us... AFAIK.
>>45267422I think he was confused because Buchanan and Campbeltown are the same ship and didn't realize that the name change meant there were two different souls.
>>45267436Nah, contradicts with Terry and Erry, and they're more canon.
>>45267523See, that's why AWOL rubs me the wrong way, it feels like it's skipping too many story missions to use the XCOM analogy
>>45267436Because he's a bastard?
>>45267533>>45267545So, is that the answer to my supposed contradiction?
>>45267512Oh hey! Always nice to meet a reader; I'm always taking critique, though we may want to wait for the session to end before we talk. Don't wanna disturb the run. >>45267581AWOL's author & I are aware of the situation. I leave any further confirmation or denial in their hands.
>>45267561I heard it was set prior to KCQ's beginning, so yeah, it needs a timeskip to bring it to the present.Like the team sent to capture the AWOL ships chases them across the Atlantic into the Pacific and right into our neighborhood, while the AWOL girls have been playing pirate along the way.You're right, it is a reveal of abyssal sentient and individuality a bit too early, but there are ways to limit the release of that information by simply having it not reach its conclusion before the "present" (which is admittedly an ever moving point in time).But, in defense of it, if you're going to have a pirate fleet made up of shipgirls and an abyssal, then you have to set it up and have them do some pirate-y things before making them relevant to Settle.I mean, if it was set in the present, then they'd probably not be able to accomplish much of anything and their reputation would end up as "slightly inconvenient" rather than "noteworthy".They were half a world away a few months ago. Who knows where the AWOL cast is at this moment.
>>45267571No you fucking waste of good genetic material that should have been rubbed out into a toilet, because it was what I needed to do to do my job!
orbitalfag herewhy are so many cities humping the coastlines
>>45267665To be fair, you were being a bastard about it.
>>45267674Food and trade
>>45267639I like what you read. The boarding action was a little disturbing, but if any of the subs that carried Marine raiders or troopships like Olympic come back, Erry and Terry are in for a run of their money.
>>45267674If you're going to troll, please us proper capitalization and punctuation.You can't really call your post bait, it's more like a drawing of a worm attached to a hook made out of a paperclip.
>>45267674Because the vast majority of major cities are built on the coast, rivers, or both?This is like, basic civilization.
>>45267665Then why not go to Hamp? After all, he came back with his entire goddamn boat... maybe talk to him?
>>45267373>implying only one of us
>>45267693I mean, their fairies are likely armed with, at best, cutlasses and percussion cap weaponry. Against SMG's, semi-autos, and auto pistols? Not a level playing field is it?
>>45267665So you like think.
In related news, Perth had a fucking trippy camouflage scheme.
>>45267698on phone atm fuck off>>45267716well theyre fucked now are they being moved inland where theyd be safe or is that also too expensive
>>45267771Dazzle camo as a whole was trippy as balls
>>45267665Didn't Arizona volunteer for that experiment? Was there a reason you didn't use her?
>>45267801Something something sacred tomb
>>45267674Ocean tiles give +1 gold +1 food per turn. Really useful in the early game, when you're founding your cities.
>>45267129>There are indeed good strategies; but sometimes things come down to luck, ignorance, human error, and simply pressing your advantages.you get a reply anyway because THANK YOU SWEET FUCK for saying thatupdating in a few minutes here
>>45267771That irritates me. She would not fly the Federation Flag, she would fly the White Ensign.
>>45267771Goddamnit, I don't have that image of dazzle camo where they're saying shit like Nazis hate cubism and My eyes hurt real bad sir
>>45267811Hmm. Hornet is laid up at the moment (not like that), why not use her for the task?
>>45267775Yes, it just so happens that it is too expensive to move the entire population of cities like New York, London, Los Angeles, Dubai, Hong Kong, and Calais.Are you some kind of retard?
>>45267801Because she's His Royal Majesty Master of Shipsluts Admiral Settle's sweetheart, and like fucking christ I'd experiment on Arizona of all people. I can handle a destroyer, I can't handle a silent redhead stealing all my fucking donuts every day.
>>45267741I don't think Erry's fairies were lucid enough for actually using that shit. Cannibalistic lead-poisoned fuckers, remember?But yeah they'd get gunned down like cattle against any prepared force.
>>45267188>People are going to stop fuckingSex is literally the most human thing.
>>45267872shoulda used naka
>>45267855I know I have it somewhere but I cannot for the life of me find it
>>45267842The white ensign is on there; on the second mast.
>>45267834>SENPAI NOTICED ME>oh wait, is this a hint we just fucked up
>>45267862Mother of fucking Meatballs and Cheese, what the fuck.
>>45267771Heh; the camo pattern is slightly different from that on the pictures I've seen, but it is indeed rather interesting how some warships were camouflaged.Fun fact: I actually finished painting 1/1800 scale minis of Houston, Perth, Naka and Jintsu on the day we found out we'd be going here.I actually completed work (apart from basing and varnish) on Electra, Encounter, Amatsukaze, Hatsukaze, Yikikaze and Shoukaku today.Does anyone else here actually play naval wargames?
>>45267862thank you very much
>>45267861total war survival of human race why is money a concern
>>45264515We will remember them.
>>45267879Haven't you seen the incredibly advances technology has made in virtual waifus?
>>45267872>stealing all my fucking donuts every dayWe have found a possible deterrent.Hopefully, I can use this to keep him from ever visiting me.
>>45267879>doesn't know about the plans for the crewless missile destroyerROBOTS WILL MAKE GAY SEX ON SHIPS OBSOLETE
>>45267872>I can't handle a silent redhead stealing all my fucking donuts every dayWell that's useful to know.
>>45267872Basically, you can't handle strong women.>Putting Arizona on a pedestal
>>45267939Also for fucking.
>>45267877Wouldn't the leveling effect come into play though?
>>45267923Because there physically isn't enough resources in existence to relocate that many people.
>>45267834So on a scale of 1 to 10, how much did we just fuck up?
>>45267904No, that's just a reminder that shit can go wrong or right no matter what. As to answer the> I'd hope someone has a good plan for the next step to give us an advantage, because we just lost a good chance to catch the Abyssals with their thumbs up their cunts.question, our ASMs and air support benefit from our forces not being embroiled in a melee. It's exactly like with the bonins, and why tomahawking the carriers would have been a bad idea- it would have left the subs with nothing to do.Bringing all of our force and assets to bear requires a nice field of fire.
>>45267945One of the first things we will have robot do is blowjobs.
>>45267923So, yes, you are.Money has very little to do with it, it's the fact that the infrastructure and space doesn't exist.
>>45267923Money is just an abstraction for actual fungible resources we don't have for that kinda massive-scale operation.
>>45267960Yes, but Erebus's crew weren't dedicated boarders. Even leveled out, modern or modern-esque Marine boarders were/are meaner and better-trained. It might be a different story if we were talking, say, Queen Anne's Revenge, but honestly Erebus got the upper hand because Buchanan was injured & mind-whammied to begin with, then got the shit further beaten out of her. In a fair fight, Erebus would have lost entirely.
>tfw will never have more standard types to sortie with Arizona
>>45267984fuck so no mega city then eitherwhy are we so primitive maybe we deserve this
>>45267991This is a planefag quest, we only get to chose how we fuck up.
>>45267958That's the entire point.>>45267960I said "any prepared force", I'm not even accounting for technological superiority.
>>45267909>>45267919Dazzle camo - It's designed to fuck with optical rangefinding.
>>45268011Yeah. Erry and Terry didn't beat Buchannan as a ship. They beat her as a girl.
>>45268011How long did it take Terry to recover?Can you tell us what their reaction was to Naka being sent into combat was? I'll accept just a reaction image.
>>45267914I dunno, it matches the photos I can find.
>>45267952Oh yeah, lets try and traumatize the silent redhead who wants a real Flag Rank Fucker to fuck her, and has a load of 12 inch guns and is also a war grave damaging would likely end me up in more court marshals than could possibly exist.
>>45267923because the costs would outweigh the goddamn benefits, and moving that much people and infrastructure inland away from the costs would kill more people than help in a migration of that magnitudeAre you literally retarded? Oh wait, you think we should orbitally move cargo for no other reason than the fact that some rando said that they were interdicting airplanes. So I guess you actually are.
Man I'd stay in my place even if it meant risking abysals killing me.
>>45268078Erry to recover, I mean. I need to stop confusing them.
>>45267894SO it is, I hate being blind.
>>45267991don't forget that despite everything planefag is a troll.He could be saying that because we goofed, or because he wants to point out that, to quote a Marine General, "Doctrine is the last bastion of the unimaginative".Yeah, we could have pressed with our CLs and FFGs, but to what gain? We have the range and are in perfect position to control the sea space to fucking perfection, unless there's a fucking second force already behind us we're still in perfect position. This is not a time to fucking sound a general attack and hope there's no Sammy B in their ranks.This is a time to shell them to the bottom, get Perth and Houston in the fight, and lay down a spread thick enough you could walk on it straight down their abyssal throats before turning them into fucking vapor.
>>45268084>implying you wouldn't get court marshalled anyways for fucking around with any ship>implying you actually give a fuck about the gunsYou've got literally the same damn problem as Settle.
>>45268058topkekin unrelated newshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHcht3RMBNIhabbening.
>>45267909It's the end result of weaponizing Don Cherry's fashion sense.
>>45268084She literally volunteered for it.
>>45268084First, her guns are 14"Second, she volunteered. That means she wan't this to happen.Third, isn't getting court marshaled your plan for going home?
>>45268084>12 inch guns14".You're like those guys who forget she has 4 turrets, aren't you?
>>45268084>would likely end me up in more court marshals than could possibly existPosthumous court marshals if Settle gets to you before the MPs
>>45268084Ah, so he does know his limits.
>>45267914Pic related for the additions.>>45268079A few of the ones I found had it more curvy.Still, it ends up looking pretty similar after weathering and the like...At least, close enough for my preferences.
>>45268121Preach on, brother
>>45267674because if we clump up it's easier for ghandi to nuke us
>>45268152What sort of chucklefuck would forget something like that?
>>45268152>You're like those guys who forget she has 4 turrets, aren't you?Only planefag forgot that>expecting planefag to actually know what his main characters look like
>>45267970I wonder how many Americans only know Rememberance Day and the poppies thanks to Doctor Who. Do they really understand what it even means to us?Probably not, if I'm being cynical. America's not had the devastation of war touch its own soil since the 1860s. Next to the blitz and the sheer grinding loss of WW1 and 2 in Europe and Africa, America's got of fairly lightly. It's so weird; they lost almost as many as us in WW2, but I suppose they only lost 9-11% of what Britain did in WW1, which is what birthed the rememberance, so...
>>45268011Ah. Thanks for the clarification.>>45268024>humanity>primitive>hmm...You're making the rest of 'us' look bad, you chucklefuck. Refer to image and get off your phone.
>>45268058>ass peeking over pantiesThis is the best.
>>45268192Oh, I knew what it was prior to that, but I felt it was appropriate and with the proper level of emotion.
>>45268024so yes, you are fucking retarded and jerking it to some sort of impossible tech singularity when this quest is taking place 15 minutes into the proverbial future. what the fuck is wrong with you
>>45268192>Probably not, if I'm being cynical. America's not had the devastation of war touch its own soil since the 1860s. Maybe you should git gud and not be right fucking next to Germany whenever they start a war.
>>45267834Planefag, what is the status of our air support?How far out are the F-16s and whatnot?What's their approach bearing, and their loiter time?
>>45268227It's better when viewed from above.
>>45267523Really it looked like they were shaping up to be a side of their own.It's something I could see happening if the war dragged on and more ships ended up revived or if losses continue to rise pointlessly on both sides.Even if the ship rises up and hates humans they might hesitate taking orders after seeing their fellow abyssals get used as cannon fodder battle after battle.As for shipgirls eventually they'll end up reviving ones who can barely see the modern country as their homeland and might have no loyalty to follow orders from it.
>>45268238take england, and push it somewhere else.seems legit
>>45267914I've read the Harpoon rulebook fondly, and now CMANO fills that void.
>almost 700 repliesjesus fuck, I'll start a new thread>>45268240loitering at 15 minutes out with the BAE Hawks on a rough strip, maybe 10 minutes to the fight. So pretty quick. Flare support is already in the AO.
>>45268265The feared "Rogues."
>>45268192Remembrance Day isn't celebrated here. We have Veterans' Day, which just kind of lumps all the veterans of all the wars together into one day where living vets can get free stuff from places.>mfw I had a veteran coworker>mfw both of us were unsure how he would go about proving that he was an Army vet to get free tacos>mfw the Army actually took all his stuff back when his service was finished
So, yeah. XCOM 2? Grabs you and doesn't let go.Still, I've just about linked up most of East Asia and North America.>>45268287Okay, I didn't miss the new thread at least.
>>45268237>impossible tech singularityYou sound like those guys who thought sailing around the world or flight was impossible.
>>45268240I don't remember if he's mentioned where they're based out of, but they're probably launching now if they weren't loitering somewhere already
>>45268085coastal cities are targets nowwhats stopping new york from becoming mt st helensrpfags all over the thread how was i supposed to know it wasnt legit rpfag hamp was talking back>>45268212fuck off sb reee
>>45268166So I'm guessing we played right into their hands, didn't we.Well it's been nice knowing you Naka.
>>45268310Or, well, there we have it>>45268287
>>45268320Played us like a damn fiddle, etc.
>>45268296>Rogues>Not MERCENARIESIt's all about perspective, yo.
>>45268265A "nation" for shipgirls would be pretty neat.Although a headache for human governments, I think the ships have every right to be independent. The idea that a ship that returns but does not wish to serve is breaking the law and absent without leave is way too close to slavery for me, even if the majority genuinely want to serve and be useful.
>>45267834TURKEY TROTS TO WATER ETC ETC PAY DENBTS
>>45268302Speaking of which, how would you make, poi, Nagato, Bismark, Prinz Eugen, Sammy and Harder into Xcom2 guys?I have no idea how to translate boats into soldiers but that is probably just because I don't understand Navy stuff.
>>45268302Have you run into any chryssalids yet?
>>45268238Maybe you should show up on time to the bloody war and actually see what it's like to take the first few hits before the enemy starts to tire out, for once!I kid. I have nothing but respect for the soldiers of all nations in both World Wars. Except the SS. Those fuckers can burn.>>45268233I'm not a religious man, but Rememberance Day is a sacred day for me.And here and now, every ship that ever sailed for His Majesty's Commonwealth is remembered. Every crewman, every sacrifice. No-one is forgotten.>>45268302Hah, lucky you. What difficulty? Commander is kicking my ass. The Avatar Project just gains so much so quickly and I'm too slow in expanding my reach, so I can't hit the blacksites to slow it down...Yeah, three months in and I re-started "For real this time though..." We'll see how that goes.
>>45268287Excellent.I assume someone in our CIC or on one of the FFGs is on comms with them?If we need their support it's gonna be fast, we might want the F-16s to racetrack a little closer to the fight.
>>45268379No.Motherfuckinggoddamnsonofabitch do I hate the new sectoids.
>>45268350Why would you make the only rear gun super-firing?Oh wait, Planefag, that explains it.
>>45268374Sammy is definitely a ranger because she loves to brawl.Nagato, Bisko, Prinz would probably be grenadiers because they lob the heavy booms.Poi is definite assault.Harder is hard to define. Maybe a sniper? Shoot-and-scoot?
GuysGuys pleaseAt least wait for something to go wrong before we start panicking.
>>45268167What kinda models are those? They don't look like kits.
>>45268413>assaultThat is ranger now.
>>45268307it's possible, just not in the goddamn time frame we're currently operating in here in this quest. have some goddamn perspective
>>45268413>Harder is hard to define. Maybe a sniper? Shoot-and-scoot?I can't imagine subs being anything other than phantom rangers.
>>45268383Avatar progress ramped up real quick for me, it was two minutes to midnight when I hit the first alien facility, but then I got on a roll and now they only have 4 dots.Burrowing fucking chryssalid landmines are the worst. Infestation dark event went through and now I need to bring like 4 scanners on every mission.
>>452684331/1800 Wargaming ships.Tiny little blobs of resin or white metal.
Get fucked Germany.
>>45268379Yes, they're even scaryer because:>A)They can burrow unnaground and pop up on your unsuspecting dudes.>B)They can spawn 3 chrysalids if they kill a civilian and infect their corpse.>C)They have armour.But thankfully they are later game enemies and by that time you have Magnetic guns and EXO-suits with in-built rocket launchers. So they are kinda pathetic.
>>45268374... You could finagle something with the character creator, I suppose.I mostly did a MGS team for laughs up to now.>>45268379Not yet! I'm really anticipating it grimly.I mean, honestly game. I'm researching Plasma Weapons now AND I fucked around non-optimally. Where are the damn Chryssalids?>>45268383Same, I've decided to scale back to Veteran (on the same file, so my Avatar Project bar is still hovering at 4 from completion) and I'm starting to catch up.But now, I'm running out of intel. Fuck.>>45268405They are fucking bastards until you get your will high enough.
>>45268442>Poi and Sammy with swords>Yuudachi has an officer's blade while Sammy has a marine NCO saber
>>45268454You literally said impossible.
>>45268383I try to observe both Veteran's Day and Memorial Day as best I can. A lot of my family have served in the US military, so I try to remember as much as I can.
>>45268413Honestly, I'd make cruisers of all stripes into specialists. Their ability to fill many different roles fits.Now, Psy Operatives? That's a whole other ball game. Not even sure how they'll fit into my two specialists, two rangers, one grenadier, one sharpshooter setup...
>>45268334NEW FUCKING THREADAT LONG FUCKING LAST
>>45268478As far as I know there are just those starting swords and the shock swords.
>>45268353>A "nation" of shipgirlsFuck off Bentus. The last thing we need is you trying to shove your boner for Metal Gear down this quest's throat.
>>45268227Akizuki is best and most cute destroyer
>>45268416I find it funny that some people panic at trollposts pointing out legit advice.Like I said here >>45268121We *might* have made a mistake but it might just be a future advice, a troll, or a dickmove with actually useful advice.The only way things go tits up right now is if there's a second force "behind" use, already through the straight, that we can't detect, lined up for torps, air or guns, and that's straight up fuckshittery that'll kill the quest, so the only possible "bad thing" is that some ships take fire and maybe bad luck happens, or Naka has issues.Naka is the only possible BAD THING to happen, but considering that she's with her sisters, being employed as her class dictates in a battle with REAL meaning, with actual support from people around her, means she's probably the most stable she'll be all week right now.Other than there, there's only SURPRISE SHIPS which plays DIRECTLY into our hand and current formation.
>>45268454so everybody on the coastlines are screwed oh well noncanonprise was right we deserve this praise be the dollar all glory to the dollar
>>45268494>One sharpshooterI want to do a six gunslinger run for my second playthrough. 5+ shots a turn is fucking great.
>>45268473Yikes. That sounds troublesome.>>45268513Not me, actually.
>>45268300Actually there are two days, Veteran's day and Memorial day>>45268353>>45268352>Outer Heaven.jpg
>>45268481It is impossible with the level of technology available in the fifteen minutes into the future setting.It'd be like saying that it is impossible for the characters to make supercomputers, if the story was about a stone-age era hunting tribe.
>>45268319>rpfags all over the thread how was i supposed to know it wasnt legit rpfag hamp was talking backcontext motherfucker, do you recognize it? maybe the fact that planefag just had us fly all the CLs down to Indonesia in an airplane and there was no trouble at all?>>45268481>You literally said impossible.>>45268237>some sort of impossible tech singularity when this quest is taking place 15 minutes into the proverbial futurereading comprehension, do you have it?
>>45268513Not a namefag of any sort.I'm thinking something more like Nassau in the Golden Age of Piracy, not a private military company.If I was going to suggest they become mercenaries (which I think somebody did), I wouldn't have said "nation." I would have just said "mercenaries" and maybe talked about how they could go to impoverished countries and be their fleet for hire.Which, by the way, I don't want from the AWOL girls. I want piracy, which that one Enterprise writeup kinda missed the mark on, but I like the idea of an independent faction made up of shipgirls and abyssals. Which would look like Nassau, not Motherbase.
>>45268556the bysals maybe not watchin not like pearl why r we even there anymor its a dethtrap
>>45268544I don't even know why the hell I bother anymore. I should just go back to playing Shadowrun Hong Kong while I wait for the next update
>>45268192We have Memorial Day instead, last Monday in May.And try telling that we haven't had the devastation of war on our own soil since the 1860s to people from Honolulu. Or the Aleutians. Or the Phillepines, which were still a US territory in 1941.Or, for that matter, to New Yorkers.
>>45268548Not when everyone has MAG rifles and wrist-mounted rockets.
>>45268679None of that even remotely compares to what went on in continental Europe or Asia.
>>45268300This is why you keep your DD-214.
>>45268689Gotta build more EXO suits, huh?
>>45268599I could see that. Hell I could even see something like>>45263804
So, new thread or what?
>>45266361>Beef is a 1.65 dollars a pound.While I agree that healthy eating isn't prohibitively expensive unless you are way below the poverty line, that is bullshit. Ground chuck around my area, Texas, averages $3.99/lb. The only beef I can think of that is close to that cheap is beef shank which is mostly fucking bone. Decent as a component for stock though.