Terrible art, too. 90% of it is washed-out grimdark bullshit. And what's with the character "options"? Lel you can be a human from this shitty part of the world, or a darker human from this other even shittier part of the world.

>>47219389
>Alright, we get it, WWI was a bit too political. You didn't have to go full edgelord with the sequel

"Edgelord" doesn't even begin to describe it. I mean, sure, there is a lot of edge. The bombs that work by converting rare handwavium into pure destructo-force are edgy bullshit, and the genocidal maniacs with LITERAL SKULL SYMBOLS all over the uniforms are damn edgy, and they evolve into Ow the Edgehog when they backstab their former ally to start a two-front war because they're Just That Evil. But so many other characters/places are also bullshit in so many miscellaneous ways.

You have mister "true man" leading the superpowered good guys late to the fight showing up with a superweapon developed just in time that ends the war almost immediately, and mister "man of steel" in charge of the Token Evil Teammate nation that murders more people than SkullNation McEvilGenocide ever did, and gets away with it because they're protagonists. Oh and Token Evil Teammate also annexes Poland which is what the good guys were supposed to be fighting to *prevent* in the first place. I suspect one guy wrote the leadup to the war and another wrote the aftermath and they didn't talk to each other.

And then there's Ike. Democratic societies do not work that way. Presidents do not get elected for having been successful generals invading another continent unless you're some kind of interventionist militarist state verging on junta, but the writers have been beating it into us over and over again that America is a democratic isolationist society that's slow and unwilling to show up to this war and then pulls out early next time and soldiers get spat on when they come home from Vietnam.

Speaking of America, they really need a better editor to sort out the naming mess that is the two continents called America, the country called United States of America, and the other country called United States of Mexico that leaves us with *no* unambiguous short name for the middle one.

>>47219767
>mister "man of steel"
Still better than the leader of France-expy called "the gaul" only pronounced with funny accent so it becomes "de gaulle".

And the high level adventurer-scientist-polymath with a billion skill points in everything called "fine man".

And the encryption code called "enigma".

And the encryption-breaking machines called "bombes".

>>47219389

> a war called the Seven Years' War
ok
> a war called the Thirty Years' War
that's an entire generation killed off
> a war called the Eighty Years' War
that's longer than most humans live in peacetime
> a war called the Hundred Years' War
in the grim darkness of this stupid setting, there is only endless war.
> the World Wars last only 4 and 5 years
now that we've invented trench warfare, suddenly wars are fast? hold on just a second
> a war called the Six-Day War
now that's just ridiculous

>>47220166
>War of 1812
WOAH, leave some creativity for the rest of us.

>>47219767
The genocidal maniacs with the skulls aren't even the worst part, their allies are so edgy that it doesn't make any sense. The Nanking part was so over the top it was laughable, especially when they are supposed to be the guys obsessed with honor and all that. I bet it only got added because it was the sick fetish of one of the writers.

>>47219767
Link related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

>>47220166
It's just that the setting doesn't take itself seriously. Like, the 'civil' wars are usually the least civil. It's all just irony, learn to appreciate it.

>inb4 GodWorld shill

>>47219426
Well I don't see any other species playing it, so of course humans are going to be overrepresented.

>>47220663
You can get some variety with splat books
> inb4 700 'Samaroo Honouroo' comments
> inb4 700 'why do real people even have eyes like that' comments

>>47219389
>Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed
Fuck guys, get a grip. Can't you see that they're all the same?

>Crisis in the Middle East
It's like they ran out of content after resolving the US vs USSR and decided to just tack something on there.

>China becomes an economic superpower
Of all the things that wouldn't happen, that wouldn't happen the most. Especially since most of their economic prowess is supposedly based on making plastic shit and selling it all over the world. Bullshit.

>Kennedy Assassination
It's like the writers were so obsessed with being edgy they couldn't allow for a protagonist.

>>47220430
"War of Jenkin's Ear" was pretty good, though.

>>47220708
>>Kennedy Assassination
>It's like the writers were so obsessed with being edgy they couldn't allow for a protagonist.
Anon they've always been like that. They killed off based FDR and they killed Lenin so man of steel could lead. The setting has and always will be garbage

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>>47220704
FUCKING JAPAN
they Used to be the coolest faction. Until they got rebooted as fucking wacky-kid-friendly weeaboo bait. Meanwhile Mongolia goes from being OP as fuck to the publishers totally forgetting they exist.

>>47220823
Why the fuck do you think we refer to every faction that gets forgotten as being 'monged'? It's disgraceful.

>>47220708
>complaining about China being an economic superpower
This shit again. "Real World" has China as a powerhouse for centuries, knocks them down briefly and then has them recover to a fraction of their prior might - and /tg/ denounces it as unrealistic. It's not like it's a perfect setting, but you could at least pick on its weaknesses rather than your own.

>>47220704
Yeah but they're broken as fuck mary sues.

>get nuked
>somehow survive
>somehow becomes economic superpower

Lazy writing.

>>47220877
>"Real World" has China as a powerhouse for centuries
You mean regional powerhouse

>Germany invents subs in WWI
>No one else can do anything about them
>Still loses twice

What the hell writers?

>Greece goes from irrelevant to biggest power in Mediterranean in 200 years
>Instantly loses to Macedonia

I hate it when writers use one group to prove another's validity

>>47220930
I mean economic powerhouse. The lore on China's share of the world's "Gross Domestic Product" has them peaking in 1820 at about a third, and they're hovering around a quarter of the world total for hundreds of years before that. Even in the new "2016CE" series China still hasn't recovered its relative position in the world economy.

>>47219389

The setting in 1400 to 1700 its the better

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>>47220761
That's the thing. It used to silly and lighthearted with misunderstandings and wacky characters based Nero but now it's all full GW with 'M-MUH AFRICAN CIVIL WAR' and a terrorist faction with mile thick plot-amour.

Also SPACE RACE 2 sourcebook WHEN?

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>>47220823

Dude, writing quality is all over the place. The Swiss were so badass that other countries had treaties that said, "No hiring the Swiss to fight." Then it just trails off into LOLOL PERPETUALLY NEUTRAL CHOCOLATE COVERED CLOCKS IN A BANK. What the actual fuck.

Then there's fucking Korea. They can't give up their FIVE MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT theme post Second War of Lazy Naming That Everybody Faught by actually having the two big powers duke it out. So what do they do? Proxy war with overblown figures and unbelievable outcome, resulting in a nation that would be laughable if it wasn't so hackneyed. The attached illustration says it all. No fucking way in hell.

>>47221100
Never ever

>>47220850
The Mayan tease still irritates me. Earlier editions make it clear that they were a big deal, but then when the authors do the big hemisphere crossover it is like they just forgot about them.
You see them get name dropped now and again like some kind of throwback cameo for generic "mysterious ruins", but that's about it.
Then they get teased again back when rumors about rebooting the setting were going around in 2012, but nooooo, nothing.

>>47221029
Economic power means jack shit if you can't project it. China was isolationist for last 2 thousand years save for brief periods of conquest and South Asian campaigns. It was doing well economically because of that. If China had to adopt new policies and reforms to conquer India, Persia and Syberia, discover and colonize Americas and Australia, it would crumble upon itself.

Jesus Christ is by far the worst character.
I spent months getting pumped for the new Religion-Faction...and it's some fucking beatnik carpenter with 12 followers. BUT OF COURSE everybody ends up loving him anyway and he's perfect and he ends up with ALL THE FOLLOWERS because trololololo Mary Sue plot-armour.

Just bring back Odin. Now there was some fucking metal lore.

>>47221203
Am i the only one upset that they closed the globe after america? like im into the whole america vs japan over the pacific but if they just waited a little while they could have added a different Americas that didn't get completely fucked

>>47220956
It's not as bad as what happened to the Romans.

>Spread to become the largest empire in the history of the world up to that point in time.
>Cracks form and its size threatens to tear it apart.
>Split into two allied empire under the same god, with subtle hints of religious schisms and a possible conflict in the future; the relationship slowly breaking down as more cultural differences emerge over time, leading to a bloody and brutal conflict that could end in any number of ways.
>Never mind, the bigger one got pillaged and burned to almost nothing by barbarian kingdoms and horse riding savages. Never mind the organisation and infrastructure behind the empire, some mounted mustachio'd fuckers can deal with that.

You can see the writers getting bored as soon as Caesar got killed off, since he got replaced by Justinian as main character not long after any way.

>>47221100
If you like the silly stuff, there's always New Zealand (sic). I guess it's hard to go grimdark when even people in-universe know that the name has a spelling error.

>>47221203
Im miss the old Spanish people, are a bunch of badass killing all whit their Conquistadores and now are a fucking joke only because their leader go full retard, and why this people are out of the 2 world wars?

>>47221227
>Odin
>metal lore
>his sons dresses as a girl to marry big burly Jotun
Norse gods, not even once

>>47221227
> they stop making Roman Empire Units
I wonder what will replace them
> Holy Roman Empire
what?
> same fuckers
> you have to re-buy all the units anyway
This I cannot shiggy

>>47221227
>Jesus Christ is by far the worst character.
Dude, the lore makes it pretty clear that he didn't really exist in universe. A made-up messiah is a pretty cool idea.

>>47221324
ikr, proof that the more macho you try to act the gayer you look

>Name a god, God
Ow lazy bastards

>>47221382
His name is YHWH but the players are condecending fucks and just call him god to piss on everyone else

>>47220708
>Fuck guys, get a grip. Can't you see that they're all the same?
Well, Buddha and Jesus are kinda the same, both are wandering-sage philosopher kinda guys preaching about how the world sucks. But Mohammed is a warlord preaching "hey guys, loot this caravan with me so I can support a fourth wife".

And yet Mohammed is supposedly running an offshoot of Jesus's shtick while Buddha is the one unrelated to the two others. They fucked up there.

>>47219767

Still better than the sequel, which was basically a DBZ episode where the good guy and bad guy powered up for 40 years, until the bad guy just dropped dead of cancer randomly. Oh, and you weren't fooling anyone with the Face-heel turn of Stalin after WWII. Former ally becoming the new big bad is such an overplayed trope.

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>>47219389
I'm just glad the Thirty Years' War arc is over, okay. That shit just refused to end. I needed a chart to understand the asspulls the writers had to contrive to keep that one going.

I mean, come on. They make some gary stu Swede and have him shitstomp everyone, then when they realize he's too strong they just have him die in the next edition in some random charge? Bull fucking shit.

>>47221363
> Dude, the lore makes it pretty clear that he didn't really exist in universe.
That's funny, the Christian splatbook says they have eyewitness accounts. I guess this is one of those WoD settings where there are several takes on the lore and none are fully canon.

>>47221408
>tfw In the 3 edition the name of this god its God

>>47219389
Is this some epic copy pasta I haven't seen yet?

>>47221412
>Jesus

You mean the Zoroaster retcon? Or the Mithras retcon? Or the Horus retcon?

>>47221471
fan pandering at it's finest, its not even the most popular religion the fans are just so obnoxious,

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>>47219389
>Roman Empire edition sells truckloads
>Caesars are some of the best selling units
>Fall of Rome sells like shit
>Okay guys let's just call every ruler variations of "caesar" from now on, and call every major empire "the new rome"

laziest fucking marketing ever

don't even get me started on

>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

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Well, this thread got gay and /pol/ish really fast.

>>47219389
>Canada
The problem is that you need a good GM to run it. The whole thing is roughly 90% adventure hooks, and the lore is good, but damn is it fucking boring. It's mostly just them partying until they're independent, and then it abruptly stops.

The monsters are pretty sweet, that racebaiting civil war thing in the urban centre is a good setup for a game, and the art is fucking magnificent. Seriously, run a game in the 'Canadian Shield' area.

>>47219389
>Who designed this, an alien?

subtle

>Dinosaurs last like, 250 million years. No one talks about them.
>Humans exist for like 200,000 years, the setting centers on them

Muh lazy writing

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>>47221227
>I spent months getting pumped for the new Religion-Faction...and it's some fucking beatnik carpenter with 12 followers.

I feel you man. The teasers were all promising MOUTH SWORD GUY ON FLYING HORSE fighting against GRASSHOPPER DEMON OVERLORD FROM THE ABYSS against a backdrop of DRAGON HYDRA AND ITS PROPHETS in the lore preview, and then we get this guy and some lame excuses about how this basically isn't even his final form, and all the cool shit in the trailers was actually visions of how it'll go down at some unspecified point in the future. Which we'll probably never see because that would require advancing the setting and coming up with plot to get us there.

>>47221546
Tfw they never release a time travel module.

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>Planet full of aesthetic continents
>Mary sue continent wihich is just shapes
>Most important region on the map is A FUCKING BOOT

>Retardo Mary Sue continent conquers the entire world because why not?
>But not only are they strong, they are so nice they just GIVE IT AWAY

Who wrote this shit? What kind of retards would conquer shit and then just give it away?

>>47221501
What'd you expect? Reality inherrently has an unfair bias towards white men.

>>47219389
Why only humans? human white, human black, human yellow, human red ... thats fucking boring.

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>>47221596
> Playing as Red Humans
Yea, if you want a Race that hasn't kicked ass since the 1812 splatbook

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>>47221634
>Playing anything other than the white race
>INT bonus
>All the science
>Their racial trait is literally "fucking shit up"
>Best sub-race (Latin ie. heirs of the Mary Sue empire)

>Any year
>Playing any other race

>Inb4 yellowboos

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>>47221546
>faggot never read advanced edition

>>47221691
>Playing anything other than the white race
The Political Correctness trait they added over the last few editions really blows chunks, though. All those negatives to reputation if you do anything to any PC/NPC of another race? Ugh.

To be fair, they did some stuff quite well, like Rollo and the Normans, the way it ties into the first Crusade, and having his descendants still be related to the kings and queens of England to this day.

Kinda lame though that they chose democracy over ass kicking though.

>>47221634
>not speccing around red human racial bonus and building an empire of casinos, and investing that money in becoming major political power.

Red humans are secretly OP dude. They even have an affirmative action modifier comparable to brown humans. I don't get why people are so down on them.

>>47221501

Yeah, almost at the same exact time you posted.

>>47221709
David Icke please leave

>>47221691
> Implying only whites can duck shit up
Mongols
Never Forget

>>47219389
>ITT a bunch of people who skimmed the wikipedia article and have never read the rulebooks

For fuck's sake, the lore and fluff is so extensive it's considered its own genre and that's not even getting into the adaptations.

>>47221691
Sounds like you've got a shit DM. If he actually read the rules, he'd enforce that you take the Jewish subclass to access most of those bonuses and enforce antisemitism rules.

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Am I the only one that hated the Australia expansion?
I mean, you have all these established nearby civilizations tooling about in their boats and no one notices AN ENTIRE FUCKING CONTINENT FULL OF MONSTERS until the marysue British Empire just stumbles across it from the other side of the world
And of course, its all "Lost continent full of bizarre creatures" bullshit where everything's venomous to provide a half-assed challenge for high level PCs (save VS poison or die LOL)
Its obvious that the developers just phoned in the Australia sourcebook because people were complaining that the Americas were EZmode because the main mobs were so susceptible to disease.

>>47221691
>INT bonus
>All the science
>Their racial trait is literally "fucking shit up"
What kind of 3rd party rule book do you have?

>caring about INT bonus
>in fight4goodies system

>Playing any other race
>playing same shit over and over again

>Inb4 yellowboos
>posts art from culture&degeneracy rule book dedicated to yellowfags
There's so much wrong with this post

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Am I the only one who's really sad that Polytheism disappeared almost completely in the Metaplot?

I mean sure it's still kinda there in Hindu and maybe Shinto but I loved having multiple gods to worship. Now all everyone talks about is this omnipotent motherfucker and whether or not he actually exists.

Man screw that guy why can't you just have multiple aspects of him or something and argue some of them are just dicks?

>>47221853
Well, there's that weak-ass "New Age" supplement, and "Mysticism 6ed (I guess?)", but fuck mysticism, half of it is furious wanking to the omni-fucker.

>>47221853
>>47221853
Well, there's that weak-ass "New Age" supplement, and "Mysticism 6ed (I guess?)", but fuck mysticism, half of it is furious wanking to the omni-fucker.

>>47221853
State Shinto was cool
WAS

>>47221899
>he doesn't like "New Age" and "Mysticism"
Any better magic system you got there,fuckboi?
inb4 chaosfag

America is fucking OP in this setting. A bunch of arctic circle peoples with no beasts of burden, no crops, nothing arrive in this continent and get civilisation going in less than half the time it takes in Eurasia? Not to mention all the stuff going on in the "recorded history" books...

>>47221853
>>47221899

The developers made it pretty clear that they're tired of trying to balance religions. The atheism supplement is the first wave of phasing it out all together.

Of course it's just going to make the setting a whole lot more grimderp, which was pretty much the opposite of the stated goal. Go figure.

>>47221853
Take off your blinders
Roman Panthion was just re-skinned Greek Panthion
You know it to be true

>>47221929
>magic system
Post working magic build for the Second Interbellum supplement, senpai.

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>>47221691

Look at this chode who read that one bit of flavour text for The Victorian Ages book about how stupid and backwater people assumed genetics indicated growth potential and actually bought it.

Once again for people in the back: 'race' is mostly a cosmetic thing that really only effects the melanin subsystem and where you were born on the random character generation table. Your bonus to int comes from being in a country that had established educational systems and in a class of people who can regularly afford and care to send their children to those educational systems. Race correlates there but it's not a cause of anything.

You're one of those boneheads who seriously buys the whole 'increased vaccine items and increased autism drawbacks means the two are connected' theory aren't you?

>>47221968
The best supplement its "Machinguns and Mortars" 2 edition, the magic system its meh

>>47221812
>all of this wrong
Other people liked it enough to read it rather than just look at the cover.

Can someone please explain to me why the Brazilian Codex is such shit, or why Antarctica has virtually no published material whatsoever?

Also
>lol oceans cover majority of the planet
>but NOOOBODY KNOOOWS WHATS DOWN THEEEEEEERE
>cue spooky music
Such a shitty fucking excuse not to write in more nations/cultures, and to not even properly explain or populate it aside from "LOOK SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW [OR OLD] POPPED OUT OF THE WATER WITH NO EXPLANATION!" is just lazy, terrible worldbuilding.

>>47221691
Oh hey look it's /pol/, I love how welcome they are, not to mention productive

>>47221995
> Machinguns and Mortars
For a while that was OP as hell tho.
Remember trying to play Zulus against Brits?
Never again

>>47221959

yea but at least they introduced SOME new gods! Terminus was cool!

Then Constantine I shows up and it's all "OH NO THAT RANDOM JEWISH SUBSECT IS GETTING POPULAR BETTER CONVERT" and everything just goes to shit.

Yea lets give the crazy war fuckers who conquer lands regularly more of a reason to wanna kill off any kind of actual INTERESTING religions! Man fuck that

>>47222060
Mfw my DM decides we are playing the Charge of the Light Brigade module.

Herp derp Zeppelin war machines! Scout balloons! Who cares that they're highly flammable?! Must have been a slow writer's day.

>>47221956
If you actually using the timeline correctly? All of the American stuff is pre-Iron Age when the rest of the world is Age of Sail.

>>47222090
Ignore him. He started playing after the industrial revolution edition.

>>47222090
Yes, I'm using the timeline correctly. Humans arrive in the Americas 35,000 years after they get to Eurasia, but they're building cities only a couple of thousand years later. It's like the continent imbues people with superpowers.

>>47221968
3 skill points in gnosticism
1 in alchemy
then
4 in theology
And everything else hermeticism

>>47222035
>why the Brazilian Codex is such shit
No idea, none of my friends are playing it. Although some units look sweet.
>why Antarctica has virtually no published material whatsoever
Developers hyped up the idea to build your own crazy campaign and made Antarctica empty sandbox for that. It never took off. Some fans of Machinguns and Mortars used it after majority of the playerbase switched to new stuff.

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>>47221980
>'race' is mostly a cosmetic thing
Never read science&bitches 3.5 ,aren't you?

>>47222172
>release sandbox module
>weather rules kill you by default.

Gee I wonder why.

>>47222172

Well no fucking duh nobody used it.

Have you seen the temperature penalties in that place? And with like, 20% resource potential!? Are you fucking high why would anyone wanna do ANYTHING with that place?

>>47222187
>Not Science & Bitches 5 ed
Laugh of this poor child

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>>47222187

I don't know wether to be amazed or pity you for actually using that sourcebook.

I mean play what you will dude but that book literally talks about how Dinos and Great Reptiles and the Before Records splatbooks actually take place in the same periods.

>>47222124
Wood huts and mounds don't really compare to what is available in other splats. If you're using the Europe books then you'd have to go back several thousand years to have an equivalent tech level for most splats. You'd still be more advanced in other areas too, what with actual metal and shit. Don't listen to the Aztec wank, cloth armor and wooden weapons are shit.

>>47222187
>science&bitches 3.5
I heard designers made it unbalanced on purpose. Disparity in power level was forced intentionally and heavy handedly.

Guys ,I was thinking,remember how may people used to bitch about social classes like artists and writers being useless?What if they use this Lovecraft character as connection to new Mysticism edition AND to the "Deep sea" and "antarctica" expansion.Maybe that "bloop" thing wasn't just a reference to the Call of Cthulhu?Maybe they'll finally fix social classes as well.

>>47222187
Al jokes aside the Muslims had fucking sweet science bounuses
Until the Mary Sue Greeks somehow beat them and everything started going downill for them.

Their reboot as religiously extremists has not helped.

>Building up Italy as some sort of "axis of evil" superpower bullshit right after they spent 8 years losing to savages with spears while they had machine guns and shit
Holy shit, if two authors are going to write about the same canon faction, can they at least talk to each other or something?

>>47222227
>Science & Bitches 5 ed
Nice bait. It doesn't exist. They said that they'll put genetic modification AND virtual worlds in there. I can't see any of that shit in 5ed leaks.
>>47222279
That's becasue econimicfags will always find a way to minmax.ALWAYS.They know their fanbase,it's a good sign.

>>47222258
Wait ,where?
>>47222328
Anon,Persians were never muslims.

>>47219389
>Alexander the Great
>100% Mary Sue Bullshit

Dude, Alexander was just an inspiring leader. He sucked balls at actual strategy.

>>47222276
If you look at the Eurasia splats for 22,000 years after humans got there, wood huts and mounds are the work of gods. The Americas are OP, they just disguised it by shifting the start times around.

>>47219922
Feinmann was just an intellectual dude, he had no combat skills. That's a perfectly viable build.

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>>47222444
>Never lost a battle
>Not a mary sue

>>47221275
Hold up, they had a great thing going with Augustus and a bunch of other Emperors. Sure, they shat the bed with Nero and Caligula, but it didn't get really bad til much later.

I want /pol/ and /int/ to leave. You're sperging out all over the place and being terribly unfunny.

>>47222529
Thank his Generals for that.

>>47222444
Inspiration trait doesn't carry as much as it needed to bail his ass if that was the case. Alexander sucked at economics and had pretty low willpower, that's all.

>>47221980
No, intelligence is explicitly a eritable Trait. Each population has defined bonuses for each Heritable Trait. For example, Semitic populations have a multiplier to their intelligence stat and high-melanin populations have a higher chance of rolling the Sickle-Cell Anemia passive ability, which grants malaria immunity at the cost of a negative endurance modifier. Typically you only get to select from a maximum of two populations unless you choose USA as your character's nationality, or your DM approves you special snowflake character.

Seriously, did you not read the character creation section at all?

>>47222551
If you stack Inspiring with Perceived Divinity, it pretty much allows you to mind control an entire army for a good few years.

>>47222565
>Semitic populations have a multiplier to their intelligence stat

Not anymore. Only the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Indian Ethnicities get that.

>>47222607
Indian and Chinese Ethnicities get a CHANCE for higher Int in exchange for lower everything else. The only reason they get that smart perception is because there's so fucking many of them.

>>47219389
>> Soviet Union
>So the nation of oppressed mud peasants executes its intellectuals, and then starts building rockets? Wut?
... what?

Anon, there were almost two generations between both revolutions (yeah, there were two of them) and Soviet space program, itself based on captured German rockets and rocket scientists.

>>47222607
No, Asian demographics get the Filial Duty trait, which is mostly the same but has limitations outside of school settings. Also, since it's a Cultural Trait rather than a Heritable Trait, you don't get it if you're adopted or raised in a multicultural setting.

Anyone know why they canceled the Space Race stuff? Was it just not selling enough or something? Seems like the only space stuff you can find these days is 3rd party, which is a shame, it was my favorite part of the setting.

Hell, is NASA still even a faction in the latest edition?

>>47222662
>two generations between both revolutions (yeah, there were two of them)
Anon, I don't even

>>47222718
Too expensive to sculpt the entire range of models with not enough interest. I think the Chinese have the only first party models, but with the recent interest in the American third party models that could change.

>>47222718
They squatted one the two major factions and didn't know what to do next with the Space Race.

>>47222721
Nice cherry-picking out of context, now follow what's pass the bracket, you mong

>>47222913
I wondered if you made a mistake but you are obviously retarded. Stay mad.

>>47222718
Nah. Space exploration and the oncoming world of tomorrow were dropped in favor of a new YA Cyberpunk Dystopia direction that was supposed to attract the Hunger Games/Twilight audience. Needless to say they fucked it GW style, and now we both don't get our cool Space Opera and still only have those autistic neckbeards to play with. Fuck.

>>47222565
Yeah, that's how I've always understood it. That being said, the authors are TRYING to retcon that part of the rules but have absolutely failed trying to implement the new system.

>>47222875
>Implying Russia got monged
They were never lower than second place overall, and they're coming back into contention for first now that they've finally gotten a rules update.

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This fucking nation. This fucking mary sue speshul snowflake nation. A nation this tiny should be able to do this well, let alone survive, when all of it's neighbors want it wiped out.
>20 year old military defeats THREE countries' invading military forces in six days
>Global hegemon falls over itself to support them for decades
>that global metaplot about how everyone is destroying the environment? Fuck that, these speshul snowflakes have had a net increase in trees

>>47222980
It's fine, anon. They're being Tau'd as of late. Somehow they decided that not only will they be slowly bred out of existence so that the devs can pretend it never happened, but they're also being made a hell of a lot darker so that nobody will miss them. It's part of that 'immigrant invasion of Europe' arc that's gonna lead into the 2020 civil war event.

>>47222960
Well fuck, establishing mass education and running it for several generations is a quite broken feedback-loop. Not pun-pun tier, but whites had enough.
>>47222968
>Russia
>not monged
>never lower than second place
Oy-vey, chill there, tovarisch!

>>47222980
In fairness, all those countries have always had canonically garbage militaries. I mean, look at the numbers from the Iraq supplement. It's Mongolian levels of one-sidedness.

>>47222968
>they're coming back into contention for first now that they've finally gotten a rules update
As a veteran player of the faction since the last Cold War update I disagree with this statement.
New units have higher chance of botches and failures. Models are overpriced and "corruption" special rule increases cost per model in the long run.

>>47223023
>Confusing Russian with Yiddish

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are we going to talk about how the most powerful faction disappeared almost overnight? One issue, they control a quarter of the map. Next issue, gone. I mean, I've heard of cutting a minor army if they're not selling well, but the British Empire was the most powerful faction in the game for a hundred a fifty years and then they're back to being a shitty little island on the edge of nowhere (this whole "Commonwealth" thing isn't fooling anyone btw). Why? Oh, they just LET their colonies go, without any sort of fight, as if that's what an empire does. Laziest writing ever.

In fact, WW2 was a curse in disguise. Yeah, it was hugely entertaining and exciting. But seeing the aftermath, it's pretty clear that the writers had been told to simplify everything and bring it down to Americans vs. Russians (or 'capitalists' vs. 'communists'), and all the other factions either got cut entirely or absorbed into one of the two main factions. It was the end of big battles as well - now it's basically just skirmishes compared to WW2. Basically management must have decided that the armies were too expensive and the fluff too complicated for the average pleb on the street, so basically used WW2 to trash the entire thing and push a more 'streamlined' version that only bore a passing resemblance to the original.

and then no one liked 'capitalists' vs. 'communists' (surprise, surprise) so they junked that, and since then the writers have just been twisting in the wind trying to come up with something remotely interesting. It's pretty clear they're testing the waters with this whole Putin thing to see if they can bring back massive worldwide wars again, but they painted themselves into a corner with this whole nuke thing. Wouldn't surprise me if they just pulled something out of their ass though, like a missile defence system. Or maybe they'll just decide that radioactive zombies are popular right now and have a go at that.

>>47223023
>>47223057
Seriously, which army would you claim was equal to Russia other than Amaryca-Sue? They're nothing like the were, but they're still a much stronger faction than China or Germany or UK.

And I kind of like the new fluff. If things keep going the way they are now, they'll start being competitive despite their inconsistencies, which is much more fun than Mary Sue plot armor bullshit.

Let's not even talk about the balancing, there hasn't been a sequel in like 2000 years and the Guns update completely fucked over pretty much every other play style and there's not a nerf in sight
Bad game, would not replay

>>47223134
>, it's pretty clear that the writers had been told to simplify everything and bring it down to Americans vs. Russians (or 'capitalists' vs. 'communists'), and all the other factions either got cut entirely or absorbed into one of the two main factions
This, so much this. I'm so tired of this shit, even though they recently went for muh religious radicalists, but the amount and quality of content released for them is laughable. Can't wait for the entire concept to be entirely dropped and retconned and in some silly way.

>>47223145
I don't think we will see new update anytime soon. Maybe in the next story arc.

>>47223134
The same things happens to French Empire and the Spanish Empire, how original

>>47223134
Remember how they nerfed armor to the ground overnight because it became too cheap and common for their taste? I wouldn't be surprised if developers will come up with new weapon that turns nukes into duds.

>>47222444
>sucked balls at strategy
yeah he literally sucked balls, like they were to afraid to make a gay character with actual flaws

>>47221520
I've seen this image at least twenty times and I never got that. I feel kinda dumb now

>>47223347
Lasers, probably. They've already hinted at tactical defensive lasers coming in the next supplement.

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>>47223134
>>47223318
Does the DM have ADD or something?
>Look, it's Europe! It's a fucking standard medieval setting
>Look, France is the BBEG... again
>France loses... or wins... whatever

>Hey look, there's this ENTIRE MASSIVE FUCKING WORLD I forgot to tell you about
>It's full of all kinds of interesting tribes and kingdoms and shit
>Let's do LITERALLY NOTHING with all of that and focus on Europe once more
>But it's totally different this time because Germany is the bad guy!
>Oh, and OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE America rules the planet

Is the world outside of Europe important or not? Make up your fucking mid DM!

>>47223365
I don't get it. What's so alien about Scandinavia?

>>47223391
>next time
>Aliens vs Europe
>God vs Europe

>>47223439
I thought Migrant Crisis is God vs Europe.

>>47223394
>he doesn't read Douglas Adams
Great splat, if you're not looking to take the game seriously. The amount of shit you can pull off with an Improbability Drive is hilarious if you use it right.

>>47223211
Well said Religious Fundamentalists may be getting a big boost from Western Europe soon. I can see why you're skeptical, but hear me out. The "writers" have been DESPERATELY trying to make the Moslem faction a legitimate rival to horrifically generic "west" so they're going to let the former conquer the Europeans through a simple population migration. Remember how they got rid of the Neanderthals? Well, we're going to see something like that happening again.

And you just know that one member of the writing staff needs something to magical realm something after Nanking. Fucking disgusting.

>>47223394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slartibartfast

The sheer ingratitude in this thread.

Every year you get new content to keep the real world setting current - a world with BILLIONS of unique characters. At the same time, historical settings are continually being expanded, errata'd, and updated. But instead of being glad for that, this thread is full of

>but muh prejudices
>why can't I play historicals in modern day?
>muh faction is bork
>your faction is bork
>the map is dumb
>I didn't even read this book but it's dumb
>y no elfs?
>I only care about three characters and they're dumb

>>47223391
There's some cool shit in America and Japan, though they're the exceptions to the rule. Mexico was interesting up until the Spaniards conquered them, China is a hell hole where the authors pretend that they've read 1984 and a Clock Work Orange, India is just shit, the ME was cool until Muhammed turned it into Mordor with his Orcs, Africa's wildlife is slowly getting retconned because the authors are retarded. I guess Australia is alright even though it's a dumping ground for rejected monster manual creatures.

Then there's Brazil, which is a magical realm.

>>47223503
They're only making content that's useful for like 0.2% of all players, you fuckwit.

And they keep making shit like the cancer trait mandatory after a certain character level. What the fuck is that?

They can do that shit once they release proper post-game content.

>>47219389
I realize you are making a joke, but this is a fair representation of what happens when you get too obsessed with tvtropes and lose touch with reality. In that you start to get a really skewed perception of reality, to the point that you can't even recognize what actually IS realistic and what is not.

Machinguns and Mortar 3 ed when?

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Why did they fuck his arc so bad? I expected him to restore the Roman Empire or something but they killed him without any warning

>>47223669
>muh grimdark
Gotta kill off the protagonist whenever something is going right to well
This isn't Game of Thrones, real life isn't this contrived

>>47223570
>I am 99.8% of the playerbase
Get over yourself.

>>47223145
British mempire and french beat the tar out of Russia in Crimean war arc, Japanese beat the tar out of Russia. WWI was really shitty for Russia, too.
And you can't compare russian military with chinese which is ten times bigger and not that far behind in tech. The only thing that keeps it the largest faction is their handwavium bullshit infinite range infinite damage aoe bombs and the fact that Mary Sue would dissaprove.

>>47223755
Well, this is a lot of nonsense

>>47223543
>Mexico was interesting up until the Spaniards conquered them

Goddamn it, Mexico has three distinct splat lines spanning from the Conquistadors to the current setting and the Narco line pretty much dominates the Americas crime metaplot and has done so since the 80s. But no, everyone wants to run around in animal skins swinging clubs.

>>47223799
>muh non-sue "strong" faction is totally viable!
Bet you feel like a proper tactitian at the board

>>47223503
>a world with BILLIONS of unique characters
>All but a few thousand are functionally identical

>>47223755
While I disagree with a lot of that, I'm not going to argue about it because it wasn't my point. I'm specifically talking post-nerf.

never funny

You think the british got nerfed? I played portugal back in the Navigation expansion, had the best, strongest army on the table and super OP trade routes. Have you SEEM portugal now? Not even nerfed, they went from strongest naval option to one of the stickers you can put in your NATO planes and tanks.

I blame spanitards that wanted to merge during the thirty year war edition and the army never recovered.

>>47221586
>what if we just don't color in Crimea...?

Heh, they at least do the bordered outline thing for unrecognized countries, but that is one very non-subtle black spot.

>>47219389
I never got why this map has that big chunk taken out of the middle and Greece and Turkey are smashed together

>>47224184
They almost made a comeback in that whole Capitalist vs Communist fiasco, they won the colonial wars and everything, but then the devs fucked them over by having them do a complete 180 on attitude and give up everything they won to go be another lapdog for Germany's EU project.

Absolutely hated what they did with the Mongols. We have a faction of horse archers BTFO the greatest civilization at the time, conquer most of the world, and get poised to stomp Europe into the ground. And then Their leader just up and dies and everyone goes back home? Plot armor bullshit, Europe should have been BTFO and you all know it, they just couldn't handle the though of "muh white guys" losing to the yellows. At first I was okay with this, since Europe had some interesting things going on with it. But then they pull this same plot armor bullshit again with Japan, what the fuck? Tired of them setting up the big bad to conquer the world only to have them job and lose at the last moment

>>47221412
Careful, brah. If any MohammedFags heard you say that, they would BLOW THE FUCK UP.

> all these complaints
> no-one brings up out of nowhere 'Black Death' arc

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All these Euro-fags are just butmad that Blitzkrieg got nerfed with the Red Army update so they can no longer spam the fuck out of it.

>>47219389
I honestly cant believe communism and egalitarian sharing and care for each other hasnt always been the rule and not the exception, the fact a libertarian is a thing baffles me; "yeah lets have no real government and just hope the market provides for anything other than wage slavery like it always has..."

>>47223145
Russia/USSR (let's face it, they are the same thing), may have big and powerful armies, but they suffer from incompetence like no other.
Seriously, look at the Winter War campaign. A bunch of forestfolk and farmers who had been basically serfs to both Sweden, and after that, Russia, for the last 800 years, were able to hold back the "mighty" Red warmachine to a stalemate, when USSR invaded Finland.

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> all these /pol/acks
> not one brings up the Tumblr-tier bullshit that Joan of Arc was

>>47228393
Isn't she just a myth?

>>47228402
Jokes aside the fact that you think this is genuinely unsettling

>>47228192
It has to do with the fact that humans can't really comprehend quantities of over roughly 200. Past that, you stop thinking in terms of beans and start thinking in terms of scribbles on a page. It's the same reason everyone still remembers the death of Steve Jobs, but not the deaths of tens of thousands during the flooding in southeast Asia that happened around the same time.

Communism can only really work in a setting where you can relate to everyone else and consider others in personal terms rather than as statistics, but towns and cities in the modern world are so mind numbingly huge that you couldn't imagine what it would look like if you saw everyone in one place. Even if everyone was gathered up in a single field, you still wouldn't see people, just a single writhing mass of humanity.

>>47228362
>Seriously, look at the Winter War campaign.
Did you forget all shit that happened after Winter War? Additionally, you should read more about Stalin. That fucker was shitty commander but he knew power lies with the military and always wanted to be in charge. Soviet-Polish war, Winter War, Great Patriotic War. His incompetence costed many lives.

>>47228099
It was actually an underrated gem of a writing. Too bad the white shills stole it later for America arc...

>>47219389
And don't even get me started on all those religions

>>47221412
Well, it kind of helps to remember that they're all in different religions, but they're all supposed to be the same character trope. Like you said, they're supposed to be those really good dudes who spreads a message of peace and stuff, but the problem is, Mohammed and Yeshua both share the same base religion, with Yeshua coming first as the REALLY good guy, so they had to come up with Mohammed finding a different way to spread his message without cribbing off Yeshua's style, while still keeping it as faithful as possible. They decided to go for more of a "spread peace by making all who spread hate dead, which includes caravan owners and non-people-like-us."

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>>47228864
> Sit down to play
> other guy pulls out Muslim type faction
> worried.jpg
> reaches into box
> pulls out 16 fucking suicide bombers
> spends the entire game spamming suicide bombs and car bombs 'cause they cost like NO FUCKING POINTS
This is worst then Catholic-fags kept spamming 'papal decree' to get infinite peasants

are people still posting about this shit setting? come on assholes get with it they're working on the Mars handbook this bullshit will be old news, it's such a cluster fuck anyways.

>>47228976
>implying they'll get it done in your lifetime
It's Duke Nukem Forever of tabletops, dude, give it up already. At best they'll put up a solo module about one guy from an expedition getting stuck up there and that'll be it.

Noob here. Maybe it's a stupid question, but isn't focusing too much on Economics actually counter-productive? Theoretically, if you build a solid economic base and then focus on Research you can get an exponential growth in power. Did I read the rules wrong? And if I didn't, why isn't anybody doing it?

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>>47229036
at least it's something i dont know how anyone can play the current edition anymore after capitalism rules ruined any action

>>47229075
The meta doesn't really favor it because research benefits everyone. If you focus too heavily on research, you're basically giving the people that focused on economics the tools to displace you. The usual way to do it is to invest 20-40% in research and the rest in marketing and logistics.

>>47229036
They probably fear that a space campaign is not going to sell well. Not too long ago they published concept art for an adventure on a moving comet and most of the gamers didn't even acknowledge it. Remember the hype for the Moon Landing module?

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>>47228393
>Tumblr-tier bullshit
I know this is a joke. We're making fun of history by looking at it through the scope of D&D, but I'm actually hardcore triggered by this bullshit. That's because there are actual, literal feminists out there who unironically see Jeanne as their idol. That woman who got two co-workers fired because they, on the other side of the room, were making a joke about the computer term "dongle"? She tweeted about how she felt like a modern Jeanne d'Arc.

Jeanne wasn't a feminist. She did not want to change the social order and, most importantly, she wasn't even dependent on daddy state to "empower" her. If memory serves me well, she even went as far as to say that her deeds only prove God's glory, because God can even use someone as unfit for the job as her to save France.

/blogpost
tl;dr: I'm mad, mad about saints.

Did you see the module on historical reenactments?
>Hurr durr it's like a game in the game we're so fucking meta

>>47221292
They got that Civil War book that was nothing but WW2 in a smaller scale. Literally nazis vs commies. For real? Very original such creativity.

>>47219389
If you rotate that inland sea 90 degrees to the right, it looks like a merman with a huge cock.

>>47229075
Well, the Research Loop build works if you run it slowly, like centuries-slowly (the fluff implies this happened in England at one point). But if you try to run it quickly, you run into a problem.

To get a fast Research Loop going, you need to throw a large fraction of your population base at it with a large amount of incentives for them to do it, and any time you're dedicating large parts of your population to jobs that are 80+ on Table 2-3 (Labor Classes), you take a hit to growth rate. Now, under the default rules, you would normally assume that this reduced growth is spread evenly across your population, which is probably what you've read and why it looks like an obvious build.

The trouble is that if you're managing a population base in this way, you're supposed to use the detailed population rules in Appendix E of the National Development supplement, which say that you're going to wind up with like 90% of the fertility loss being to the research segment of your population base, which means that your research loop stalls after one generation because all the researchers are making research instead of babies.

At which point you can either try the retraining rules to convert other segments of your population base into researchers - and the retraining rules are a pile of fucking bullshit where people apparently get stupider when they're in large numbers - or you can import them, but once you start importing large numbers of people it's going to be National Development special rules all day erryday - or you can press on and buy rolls on Table 5-4 (Revolutionary Inventions) and hope to hit In Vitro or something else that fixes the population issue before you stall too hard. (note: In Vitro by itself won't do it, it's just an example of the kind of thing you need.)

>>47229127
>Remember the hype for the Moon Landing module?
Yeah and then the only worth in it was morale bonuses in capitalism vs communism.
Fuckin lame.

>>47229164
The funny part of that whole thing was that one (both?) of the guys that got fired was gay. As I recall it was just two random guys in front of her at a convention.

>>47229075
>Theoretically, if you build a solid economic base and then focus on Research you can get an exponential growth in power. Did I read the rules wrong?
That's IF you don't get structural intervention, and you'll see on the governments table that every kind of government except anarchy has its own kind of structural intervention which might fuck it up before the exponential becomes more than a 10% increase to your 10% increase. Technocracies might pick mechanically useless, branches of research, rotatory government needs to roll for approval every rotation, statatory government can randomly change your focus to something else and fix it there for 5d10 years. And anarchy won't let you focus on research at all.

>>47229110
> The meta doesn't really favor it because research benefits everyone.
Not really, that's mostly personal weapons and consumables research. Anything larger like vehicles will have slow spread both to enter a country and to become common enough to matter.

>>47229222
>buy rolls on Table 5-4 (Revolutionary Inventions) and hope to hit In Vitro
THIS IS A TRAP. Don't do it without State Research Planning. The invention summaries are misleading; they're written like you need both Male Contraceptive and Female Contraceptive to trigger the Sexual Revolution, and you're unlikely to hit both. The actual rules for SR say it'll trigger on having only one of them.

>>47228149
Red book's deep operation is just blitzkrieg but even more hardcore.

>>47223592
you are really missing the point here,the entire thread is about just how fucking absurd everythings is, both in history and these days.
the world as we know it just dosent make any sense and looking at it like a game system is our way of working through all the stupidity we see on a dayly basis

>>47223592
>>47229408
Funny thing is, tvtropes did the "look at RL as if it's regular fiction" thing too. We just have specific wargame/tabletop focus on it, while they blend all media in one.

>>47229328
It's been a while since I read the revolutions chapter, is there something particularly bad about this one? Most of them seemed to be mostly fluff troubles.

>>47222172
Hey, 3rd party stuff from Lovecraft is hella cool.

hope this thread gets archived its just to good to lose

>>47229222
Didn't Far East Asia factions pull the Research Loop in the last two editions? So they've started shitting out high-tech stuff produced almost exclusively for profit and getting all the half-finished goods from commies that decided doing half-finished goods provides even more cash than high-tech bullshit, so they have a nice economic run with it?

But to pull this Loop successfully you need to completely expose yourself for military, so unless you've got a strong ally with some huge military that will defend your ass, you are dead in the water.

>>47229562
I second this

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>>47229453
Well it's not exactly *bad*. It's more like... to summarize it, there's a bunch of minor effects and you roll 1d10 for major effect: on 1-5 there's only fluff consequences like religious condemnation (which you are probably ignoring in the first place for this sort of build), on 6-7 there's simple penalties, and on 8-10 you draw increasingly many times on a Deck of Many Things-style table with entries like "reintroduce 1d6 extinct diseases, cannot be cured for the duration of the revolution".

On average it might not be all that harmful, but I don't want to trust to "average" for any roll where you might get nothing or you might end up drawing three times from the Deck of Ruined Games.

>>47229562
>>47229569
Just fuckin do it?

>RL is a terrible setting
>anons come together to imagine real life as if it was a tabletop/wargame and bitch about dumb rules and lore
>worldbuilding, meta
Dunno what else to throw into tags

>>47229225
I heard that they wanted to retcon what happened in that module. I hope not, Armstrong was a cool dude.

>>47229567
Nope, they're almost purely into economics. The vast majority of the tech they sell is licensed or copied from American and European designs.

>>47221958
Goodbye Orthodox Warrior Clerics. Hello strange fat men wearing trilbys. Oh I suppose we might STILL have the terrorists, and maybe China might actually do something for unit diversity. Oh who am I kidding these upcoming factions are fucking awful!

>>47229711
At least we have some comic relief with Ukrainian models. Seriously, tank with two cannons? Ukrs aren't orks to make this work

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I don't know about you guys and gals but I'm pretty hype about the upcoming Mars expansion. I mean it's still an edition or two in the future but they keep hinting at it.

>Curiosity Rover
>Laser propelled Solar Satellites
>Private Companies rushing to Mars in the corporate rule metaplot

I am SO ready for this shit. I wanna see the exoplanet colonization phase. It'll be just as fun as the old colonial era expansion but without natives to be the main obstacle to expansion. Now we'll get "no breathable air" "lifeless deathworld" and "lethally cold" type penalties.

The first war on Mars is gonna be god tier good. I'm so glad they at least kept space stuff on life support after the Space Race stuff ended.

>>47229222
What the hell are you supposed to do with research in Prehistory games? It builds up so insanely slowly at the start that if you want any kind of benefits in a reasonable timeframe, you need to neglect basic survival. But if you don't do research, and rely on cultural transmission for tech, you get curb-stomped by the first fucker to get bronze.

>>47229828
It will be shit. No one gives a fuck about coltan mine wars, why would they about space miners? It will end just being a faction bonus for the next edition.

>>47229839
You spend it on social research to hit agrarian tech first. You need a crop seed like wheat, potatoes, or barley. Once you do that you can start building cities and you'll be able to devote a bit of spare time to researching animal domestication and religion to organize things better. A caste system helps. THEN you can research bronze.

Just remember that it's impossible if you end up in an area that doesn't spawn a domesticable crop and animal species or you end up with a real shitty one that takes a lot of labor for little gain.

>>47229854
I think it'll be an expansion of the corporate wars build, myself. They'll probably use that Elon Musk character to push it forward.

>>47229839
TL;DR prehistory is not really supported. -1000AUC is the earliest for which you have proper rules support.

The reason we know is that one of the writers for it was stiffed on an already shitty payment, ragequit, and released a tell-all about how the sausage gets made. The Prehistory book, the entire Dawn of Time series of continentbooks, and The First Word were all written by a bunch of temps and interns paid minimum wage to extrapolate the existing rules backwards and squeeze out minimum playable product so that the devs could claim "play in any age, on any continent" without technically lying.

>>47228402
christ almighty read a book

no wonder this thread started with 'Jesus wasn't a historical person'

>>47229649
But they DO train engineers for faster implementation and better reverse engineering.

I guess the pure Research Loop no longer applies. Last time anyone did anything with it, we've got series of bloody 19th century wars, as the tools improved, but not the ability to handle them.

>>47229881
>A caste system helps

Noob detected. Religious slavery helps, because it can be easily molded and when it starts getting obsolete, you can swap it for something better, like monoteism or dualism. Caste system is a huge boon for first few generations and then turns into shitfest that will cripple you for the rest of the game, as it can't be removed at all and gets obsolete even faster than religious slavery.

>>47228402
You can't be serious...

>>47229989
It can be morphed into a class system hybrid right around the ancient era. Hell, that was how the big "ancient era" civ managed it - Assyria, I mean. You just have to be careful about warrior class/caste uprisings against your ruling class. Though if you're smart you can exploit that to remove caste elements entirely and shift to a class society.

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I can't believe nobody has mentioned the potential for awesome Age of Sail or Age of Discovery campaigns yet.

If you're playing somewhere in the Indonesian archipelago, you've got a cool new take on the standard fantasy setting, a book full of islands and adventure hooks, infinite space for sunken treasure, and enough empty islands left for you and your DM to fill in ideas. There's China to the north if you want a plot involving a visit to a single giant sedentary state. If you want, you can fit an entire campaign inside a visit to an Emperor's massive castle and court. (Also, Ming to Qing changeover happens during this period.) There's India to the west if you prefer a patchwork of small states and maybe carving out your own once you level up a bit. And there's a touch of Expedition to the Barrier Peaks in the form of the visiting conquistadors and explorers from the Far West, which don't necessarily have to land on *your* island if you don't want to play that sort of game.

Finally, the authors found a way to sneak dragons into the setting while maintaining "muh low-magic setting, muh historical realism". Look closely at the stats for Portuguese/Spanish Treasure Fleet. The various ship sizes are basically *dragon age categories*, now with cannons instead of fire breath, but still with dragon hoards aboard and most of the other dragon things.

>>47221812
Yeah, and worst of all, of COURSE "place with all the stuff that is deadly" looks like it has a bite taken out of it.

>>47229839
You simply need to change the pattern of research. Instead of researching material stuff, you should focus on cultural and societal techs, as they will shape your faction for the rest of the game.
Speech, Group Work and entire Persistance tree are must-haves. This way you can manage your initial resources much, much better, which will give you larger number of population in relatively short time-span, so even cultural transmission will sufficient for tech pursuit.
Plus, large numbers are pre-requisted to even unlock the Sedimentry Livestyle tree and all the sub-trees of basic Government rules.

As for practical things, all the techs giving new tools are useful and simple enough to figure out, especially with bunch of people trying different approaches at once. Trial and error only works with big numbers.

>>47230016
Caste system CAN'T morph, that's the point. Either you start with class system, or caste system - they are two completely separate things.
And what you've mentioned with Assyrians was a classic case of overthrowing religious slavery and replacing it with more up-date Military Dictatorship I

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It seems to me like they had some cool ideas for this place but then just abandoned it for whatever reason. Just lol some research stations.

>>47230173
Ugh... I prefer it like this. Few editions ago it was all tentacle rape and starfish aliens in some ultra-edgy ruins under the ice.
Thanks, no.

>>47230206
>continent is almost exclusively inhabited by awkward flightless birds consisting of 90% fat and who've got gay couples adopting unhatched eggs that were left by their real parents

what the fug >:DD

Who makes this shit up

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>>47221812
The Emu War is fucking 10/10 though.

>>47220761
>>47221100
>>47230341

Make RealLife Silly Again

>>47230380
Like the Donald Trump arc is doing, you mean?

>>47221100
>SPACE RACE 2 sourcebook
I think they're currently doing development for that. I read something about playtesting a new system for space vehicles.

>>47230423
Don't even get me started on this.
>LOL NO ONE CAN GO TO SPACE since the start of the whole thing
>Suddenly OH HEY THESE TWO CAN GO TO SPACE BUT ITS SO EXPENSIVE THERE'S NO WAY ANYONE ELSE CAN
>Then right back to LOL NO ONE CAN GO TO SPACE
And now suddenly some mercenary faction is the focus of a new space-based sourcebook? Come the fuck on.

>>47223003
>'immigrant invasion of Europe' arc
Ugh. There's been very little else talked about around here. Unless it's the "England and the United States of Europe" arc.

>>47230173
...and of COURSE the US faction goes speshul snoflayk and sticks a research station RIGHT IN THE DAMN MIDDLE, NOWHERE FUCKING NEAR LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE.

Yes, I absolutely mad.

Mass Media Coverage
is
fucking
OP
I know there are counters to it, but they do shit and look like they're thrown-in at the last moment
>lol it's a military network
>oh now it's a student network
>now everyone and their dog suddenly is connected to it
>shoehorning miniaturised computers in general

Anyone got good rulebook for land development? The ones I've got are all outdated and do not correspond to issues like squatting, slums and favellas.

One thing really pisses me off: the Metrics System ruleset has been around for 221 years and they still print modules that do not conform to it. What the hell?

>>47230858
But only if you are playing as Americans and insignificant flavour factions from Africa and South Asia. Gets funny when you have to take out calculator and see if you are in range of American units other than ICBMs

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>>47230401
Can't wait to see how the Trump arc concludes. He is by far the most entertaining character the devs have made in a quite a while.
Trump's rise, along with the whole refugee crisis and the tensions it is causing in Europe, also seems to support the theory that the conflict of first half of 21st century will be about Globalism vs Nationalism, which is infinitely more interesting than the commies vs capitalists of last century.

>>47229620
Gagarin was pretty hardcore too. Sad they never got to meet up. Could have been a great scenario.

>>47231024
Personally I think the devs are preparing some big surprise elsewhere and this is just smoke and mirrors to take our attention away. Like the constant toying around Chinese ruleset. Never nothing significant or important, but it's pretty much new codex created by nothing else but hotfixes of past 30 years.

But then again, they should definitely fire the guy or team doing the Middle East modules. It's nothing more than grim-derp fundamentalist movements. Shit's boring at this point and the promised big war out there turned out into lighting strike and then just sitting in military bases for years, doing nothing. Now they try to win the crowd of edgelords and aggitate fedora tippers with the constant religious bullshit, but they won't fool anyone - it's just new set of old units in new paint job, replacing tan uniforms with black ones. Cheapest redesign ever.

>>47231132
Wait, really? They had the two protagonists of that story never meet? What the fuck, man, who writes this tripe?

>>47231232
>Desert factions
>Black uniforms

Who the fuck is designing this shit? What? They are suppose to stand out even more on arid flats for drone attacks?

>>47231252
Its the only way they could balance out their Territorial Familiarity advantage so that NATO players actually had something viable. Or something.

>>47231243
I know, right? Instead, they kill off Yuri in some bullshit "test flight". Now, Von Braun and Korolev not meeting, I understand, although that was some serious bullshit they pulled with Korolev having cancer. I swear, the Space Race writers were willing to do anything they could for America to win.

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>>47229203
They also do the super stupid twist where the MIGHTY LEADER of the winning army ends up being a a total sissy

>>47231285
Hey. it's not like they are fighting in the jungle, like the Indochina ruleset. It's a flat. Open. Area. You can see from miles anyone coming.
And don't get me started with the suicidal units. Both sides should be loosing morale. How the fuck does suicide attack increase morale of remaining units under your command?

>>47231326
>kettle war.
Muslim units have the Fanatic (Islam) trait, that specifically states that acts of martyrdom increase the morale of your forces.

>>47231340
Different anon, but how the hell Fanatic (Islam) trait grants them ability to melt steel beams with jet fuel?

>>47231326
>suicidal units gaining morale
That's not the real bullshit. Its how quickly Islamic State players with an investment in Media can just convert a good percentage of your entire population into the fuckers. And none of the counters even work! People don't just swap sides that quickly!

>>47231024
>Can't wait to see how the Trump arc concludes. He is by far the most entertaining character the devs have made in a quite a while.
Fuck if they're gonna do anything with him, though. I'm calling it right now: the devs are gonna say "in-universe, even at their most retarded the Murrican people won't elect someone THIS nucking futs" and hand the top job to Miss I Don't Care that My Husband Gets Blowjobs from Interns. End result? They get to make a big splash about "First Woman Ruler of the USA" and spin out the "governmental gridlock" plot-line for another "election cycle" or two while they try to figure out what the fuck they're actually gonna do with the USA next.

I swear, it feels like the last dev-team for the USA regional splats got fired near the end of the Cold War arc and decided to leave the drafts for the follow-up material half-written on the desk when they walked out the door. Their replacements did their best trying to catch up on-the-fly, but they're still scrambling to fix the incoherent mess they got handed and they've been letting the whole campaign free-wheel while they try to decide where *they* want to take the metaplot. Except they spend half their time running on-the-fly fixes on knock-on effects from things that started as minor issues spun off from the incoherent mess and snowballed out of control. Most of which started as knock-on effects from on-the-fly fixes in the first place.

Makes me glad I set my campaign in New Zealand. >>47221278 notwithstanding, I haven't had to write around metaplot problems since some chucklefuck on the dev team decided to derail the ANZUS alliance with a Domestic Political Movement and hit me with a random Espionage event from the French. (I mean, really: the goddamn French!? Have they even been *relevant* since the Decolonisation plot petered out?)

>>47231340
Martyrdom is when you are captured, tortured and killed. Not when you just blow up yourself. Know the difference, anon, because rule lawyers like you are the reason why this rule is still not properly reworded or outright nerfed

>>47231361
Nah, the population remains as it was, even more impoverished than before. It's their ability to gain fresh recruits from outside at no fucking price that is really annoying. How the hell you are suppose to counter someone that can have up to decent sized army for free without any morale or logistic penalties, while every local army got a penalty of Low Morale, Corruption and Poor Maintaince?
This shit is retarded.

>>47222607
The Ashkenazi sub faction still has the int bonus, which I guess is why they're overrepresented as leaders and scientists of the semites.

>>47231378
That's for Christians. For Muslim fanatics, blowing oneself up also counts. Read the FAQ.

>>47231360
This 911 stuff and Kennedys' deaths have some cryptic clues that CIA did it. Maybe devs are setting up a big villain, but for now it seems they forgot about it like GW about Malal.

>>47231401
Then fuck those rules. Either the same ruleset for everyone, or I'm doing my homebrew, where each blown up fucker tickles the counter before Mass Desertion starts.

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>tfw the modern arc went shit
The line regiments were still fine but a trench warfare?

>>47231394
>It's their ability to gain fresh recruits from outside at no fucking price that is really annoying

That's what I meant, sorry if I was unclear. I hope they fix that next edition, my GM is considering moving the campaign out of Egypt if this shit goes on. I've heard so many people playing IS and blowing up the Pyramids, it might even become universe canon! I really liked all the hinting that they were actually from aliens!

>>47231417
M8, without their Fanatism bonuses, and Special Rules, Muslim terrorist factions wouldn't be able to even dent any of the other factions.
Not to say that they are a real threat even with them. They are basically the Tau of the setting, a non threat to any of the factions that actually matter.
If Western powers stopped pussyfooting around, and handling them with silk gloves, the Terrorists would get BTFO with ease.

>>47231430
Line regiments were absolutely shit-tier. You were suppose to stack your units almost at melee range and then exchange fire, while both units were gratually grinding each other down.
Shit went really retarded when they've removed other melee units than cavalry while the line regiments were just standing with choice of either making a Fire action once per 5 turns or charge and grant Point Blank massive bonus to the defending unit.

>>47231457
>Playing the pen&paper version after 1700

>>47231454
Oh, I see - angry American player who got tricked into buying Desert units that saw little to no use and now is eager to put his toys back on the table.
Shame to catch hype train of "desert warfare" and then keep being salty about it for years after the train predictably crashed

>>47231400
You mistook Family Connections bonus for Int bonus

>>47231454
Those special rules only cement them as speshul snoflayk that exist only because one of the devs has a thing or two about unshaved guys in dusted clothes.

>>47231406
Tinfoil-hat whispers and reading-against-the-text by autismal conspiracy theorists are not 'cryptic clues', Slugga. The writers would have to be pretty seriously retarded to expect us to buy that the CIA - a government agency, and one written for decades as riddled with foreign moles and internal leaks - pulled off something like that, and managed to keep even a whisper of it from getting out.

OK, they've set up a couple of perfect in-universe Moral Crusaders for reveals like that, if you really want to think of Snowden and Assange as actual characters instead of plot-devices, but nothing I've seen in reading this setting for the last three decades makes me willing to believe that the CIA are any more competent than any other acronym-agency you care to name.

>>47231454
I really wish they were at least half as good or important as Tau. But they are just over-glorified and over-exposed flavour faction like dozens of different insignificant nations. Literally 4 such factions exist in Somalia ruleset alone and nobody gives a damn about them.

Speaking of which, Somalia ruleset went out of hand with this entire "invent your own faction and we will add it to the canon". I'm not even sure which of the official governments is the one that should be treated as the "good guys", since they are all the same "well-intended, but with no real power" faction

>>47229964
>implying he was

>>47231582
He was in older rulesets and nobody was questioning that. Then a bunch of grim-derp kids started to complaining such good figure is ruining the whole thing and should be removed.
So Buddha is fine and dandy, but Jesus was reduced to symbol in later editions. Shit-tier writing.

>>47231576
>the "good guys"
>playing in Africa and actually looking for "the good guys"
bruh
wat r u doin
bruh
stahp

The whole *point* of a sandbox setting like Somalia is to start from scratch and build up to carving out a territory as a warlord. That way, you can kid yourself that you *are* 'the good guys'.
If you wanted to play an actual no-shit 'good guy', you need to go back to playing a campaign where you're fighting against the SkullGuys like >>47219767 was bitching about. Call it edgelord-tier writing if you like, but when you're fighting people who festoon themselves with skull-icons and running no-shit mass-murder-camps, or raping entire cities and using your captured troops as props in head-chopping contests, you have to work pretty damned hard to make yourself look like the bad-guy in comparison. (Admittedly, Man-of-Steel gave it it a good try anyway.)

>>47221709
Had some cool ideas but it's only pseudo canon for a reason lad

Sigh.... remember when egypt was cool?

>>47231753
Read the FAQ. Section about "Powerless factions in anarchistic regions". Then tell me again how it contradicts special rule for Africa that forces on you to pick at least 5 different penalties from the start for the leader alone.

>>47221958
With nothing to belive in all the factions are just going to dive into this money fetish to rivial the developers

>>47231573
Soros player detected

>>47231753
But anon, Somalia is not a sandbox. It was a pet project of a guy who was testing different things after the whole Cold War was cancelled. And right at the start of Somalia, the guy was fired due to middle-tier management layoff. So the project was left in eternal limbo, but the rules were already printed.
All they've did ever since was adding a single page fix to remove UN presence in the region and left the thing for rot ever since.

>>47222320
>implying they will ever make magic legit real in this setting
They are too attatched to their "realism" to ever go beyond low fantasy hints and psuedocanonical shit

>>47223467
It's assholes pretending god tells them to blow up everyone else

>>47229890
Yeah, and this is why they whipped out the dinosaurs and retcon med dragons and shit into fiction, I swear the homebrew jurassic world module has been a fucking godsend

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>>47219389

>Men from Coldasfuck Island randomly get plothook to go check some strange land formation way across the sea.
>Find land that doesn't require freezing your ass off as hard
>Berriesfordays.edda
>Decide to return back to Coldasfuck Island for some reason and never return
>don't see any significance to this discovery for 500 years worth of in universe splatbooks

What the shit is this pacing? What kind of foreshadowing is that to shoehorn this in and then just leave it hanging there? Who the hell wrote this contrived Erickson character?

>>47231975
>>Decide to return back to Coldasfuck Island for some reason and never return
Maybe because that land wasn't unpopulated, and the Natives drove them off.
Still hard to believe that the terror of early medieval Europe were driven off by bunch of stone-age people. Kind of stretching it really.

>>47232017
They did a soft retcon to thay revealing that the natives had been decimated by disease shortly before the European colonists arrived

>>47232049
That is bullshit and you know it

>>47221980
race was made cosmetic so you can play a high INT westerner while still looking like an asian babe
if you don't play a culture with its proper ethnicity you are a special snowflake and you can just stop playing

>>47231975
Well, they didn't just return and never go back, there's little signs, like the runes carved into rocks, that makes it seem like they went all over the land mass before going back home

>>47229620
You know I came third place in the competition? You know, the 'send a character in and if it's good enough we'll send it to the moon' one.
Turns out the prize for my character (Michael Collins) was to wait in the fucking car.

>>47231317
>He hasn't heard of the war of the pig
>Or the war of the golden stool
Colonial age is best age.

>>47233599
the Ottoman menace arc was pretty good

>>47219389
>'Cause who the fuck fights over spices?
Pepper used to be called black gold long before oil was, anon.
Replace "spices" with "money"

>>47219389
>Vietnam War
Cause the Korean War wasn't modern enough. Also more modern music.

>>47233653
the cold war players were getting wound up over there not being a major conflict so they needed to ease the tension the ending still causes flame wars to this day

>>47233646
>>47233653
>>47233685

And the "Didn't get the joke" brigade has arrived.

>>47233653
Some friends and I were actually talking about overused settings a while ago, and how no one really does a WW1 setting instead of WW2, or the Korean War instead of the Vietnam War.

>>47229562
Every thread gets archived in two separate permanent archives, newfriend.

>>47233801
Please tell us what can you do in WW1, aside dying miserably in human wave or out of puny infection in your wound while sitting in a trench?
>Inb4 but there were other fronts
That could suit completely different conflict and were not even close to becoming the most defining element of that war.

Korea isn't used for different reason - it was a series of one-sided pushes. Either North was pushing South hard, or UN-forces were pushing North or Chinese were pushing everyone. In short - a war where nothing interesting happens and ends with a stalemate. Also - left pretty much no cultural influence.

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>>47234088
>I know EVERYTHING about WW1
>TRENCH WARFARE!!
>I know EVERYTHING about the Korean War
>STALEMATE!!
>the rest of you are plebs
Your post has more naive ignorance than /v/ - how do you manage that, anon? Do you even PLAY in this setting, brah?

>>47234189
Anon, instead of dissing, please enlighten us about the most defining elements of both WW1 and Korean War.
Go on.
I bet you've got like 5 different reasons why any of those would be interesting.

>>47234237
I think we need to break up the different theaters of war first

>>47234260
And what will you get, really?
>West
Trenches
>East
Trenches and mud
>Greece
Trenches on a beach
>Africa
Handful of Germans and Askaris tying up 120k-strong British army in South, other than that - nothing of any interest
>Asia
Literally nothing after few days to take all German colonies
>Americas
Nothing at all
>Seas and oceans
Handful of battles one-sided battles, shitload of sunk singular convoy boats.

Here goes your "glorious and interesting" WW1, you faggot. There is a reason people prefer WW2 for wartime setting (other than not coming with the realisation WW1 was a huge mistake and massive fuck-up without any clear winners) - it did an actual global war, all around the planet, with everyone fighting, instead of sitting.

>>47234320
>Handful of Germans and Askaris tying up 120k-strong British army in South, other than that - nothing of any interest
This

The only remotely interesting element of WW1 that has any ise as a basis for gameplay. And it could suit any fucking colonial war EVER.

>>47219389
Is the joke "God can get away with making a shit setting, but we can't"?

>>47234189
No, because I don't play shitty settings.
>Wanting to seriously play WW1
What is this? Battlefield 1 hype train already got to /tg/?

>>47233801 here again.

>>47234237
>>47234088
>why use them?
well, as stated in >>47234088 about WW1
>dying miserably in human wave or out of puny infection in your wound while sitting in a trench
The overall difficulty, the awful conditions, the trenches.
Aswell as the weapons, and the fact its mostly unexplored potential for a GM to come up with a story in and players to take part of.

As for the Korean War, I dunno much about it really. Hence why it was asked about why it was never used.

>kennedy is the first actually interesting president since fdr
> he gets shot
> they set it up so his brother is gonna carry on his legacy
>lol jk, he gets shot too

JUST--

>>47234513
>mostly unexplored potential for a GM to come up with a story in and players to take part of.
Potential for what? There is no potential in WW1 as a setting. Jesus, when /tg/ will learn that things aren't used not because they are obscure or niche, but because there is simply no reason to use them at all in the first place?

And Korean War, as already noted in one of the posts you've linked to was series of one-sided offensives that ended with a stalemate exactly where the war started. It's always one of the sides gettings its ass kicked by the other one and being pushed back to some critical point, where the tide turns. Or the war ends.

>>47234578

>>47233801 and >>47234513 here again
I should have pointed we were talked about themed settings in something that looked like those eras.
Not the actual wars themself.

Last setting we talked about was any options for a Zulu Wars themed setting. But that only came up cause someone wanted a character that wore a pith helmet.

>>47234578
>Lawrence of Arabia
>The Hundred Days Offensive
>Belleau Wood
>The Bolshevik Revolution
>The air war
>The Desert Mounted Corps
There's quite a few settings during the war or at the battlefront where you don't have to have people dying in the trenches for months.

>>47234670
Oh thank you! Will have to check up on those.

>>47234505
That train got here ages ago - where you been?
Seriously, educate yourself on WW! - you clearly have no idea what really went on, and you WILL be surprised when you dig into it. You won't believe some of the shit that went down that they never mention in history class. Seriously.
You fellows >>47234405>>47234320>>47234237
should check it out too. You are clearly demonstrating your unfamiliarity with this setting if you think ww2 was 'edgier' than ww1.

>>47234670
Just look up what Austria did during ww1 - that shit is fucking hardcore - real Valhallans vs. Chaos level shit.

>>47234670
Not to mention all the individual adventurers doing their thing.
Check out movies like Porco Rosso, the mummy or The Quest to see examples of this.

Why do they keep messing about with resources?

Oh you've decided to use the stuff you've mined to make and power machines, that's a cool idea.

So everyone spends their time developing it, making cool shit that's even better than the the trash the DM made like Horses.

Then 300 years later. "Oh by the way it's a limited resource. Plus it's destroying the planet, plus I'm giving it all the good stuff to the boring middle-east factions, oh and 1st world countries get negative PR for using it, whilst other countries can just ignore those penalties."

I mean i'm sorry for getting off your rails and making something of our own for once, but stop fucking us over because of it.

>>47234610
>>47234670
>Any given colonial war
>Unstoppable tide that mops out inferior, malnourished troops
>Insignifficant battle that Americans like to wank about, because that's one of few they didn't had their asses handled
>Literally any revolution ever
>Battle of Britain did that so much better on so many different levels...
>Any given colonial war

Annd now, since we listed why they are pointless/meaningless, please explain us - HOW THE FUCK you use any of those as a basis for a setting, you fucking moron?
It's like you morons can't see a difference between material for one-shot or mini-campaign and want to build a setting out of it.
Bonus point for picking up stuff so bland it's just painful.
WW1 is absolutely useless as a basis for a setting.

>>47234716
The fuck any of this has to do with being "edgier", you cunt?

>>47234716
>Here are those super interesting facts that I won't even mention
Because there aren't any

>>47234815
>Modern conflict
>Individuality
I've got a clue for you.
Stick with quasi-medieval settings and saving princesses, 'k?

>All those idiots trying to use WW1 for role-playing setting
Jesus, nobody gives a fuck if there happend to be some strange looking fellow or bunch of dudes had exotic adventures in Africa. The war was all about massive amounts of people killing each other for nothing. What are you going to roleplay? Dying out of dysenteria? Being shot by machine gun? Choking out of mustard gas?

Every element you morons list can be done WITHOUT WW1 and in fact is so detatched from WW1 they could be from different conflicts for all that matters.

>>47234833
>WW1 is absolutely useless as a basis for a setting.
Well don't worry. You weren't even invited to our game night.

>>47234833
>HOW THE FUCK you use any of those as a basis for a setting
The whole point of a setting is to serve the players. That's it. They may be small in the face of modern industrial warfare, but on the ground level the campaign is still about the players. About their individual achievements and stories while all these larger conflicts are going on around them.

And don't tell me the individual is ABSOLUTELY worthless in the face of modern war. If they were, then we wouldn't be giving medals or inscribing their names on monuments, like Thomas Ricketts or Alvin York.

>>47234961
Then go on - please tell me how the hell you are going to make a game, hell, entire setting about dying in a trench or in Nowhere, Colonial Africa.
Unless you are making a one-shot, there is no fucking way to pull this. And the one-shot will be pretty much "you all died".

Because all there is in this thread so far is "hurr this will be great setting durr", but not even a SINGLE world how to make it happen.

>>47235022
>Here, take this another post that wanks about shit without any details
Thanks, I guess.

I'm still waiting for any of you fucks actually figuring out how to make a game about trench warfare.

>>47229164
Don't be mad, the guys got fired, but then found other jobs and just got on with their lives, as they actually produced value for companies.

She was some kind of a PR rep or something and got fired. Now any company that looks up her name learns about the PR shit she spewed on Twitter after the event. Ruined her own life more than anyone else's.

>>47235066
Only War meets Blackadder, with less vehicles

>>47235132
... still not a setting

And what exactly are you going to play? Telling black comedy jokes about fallen comrades? That's not a gameplay, that's a single gag.

My entire point here is that you all are listing the "cool" elements of the setting without realising they are just surface-level stuff that won't have any use for gameplay or world-building. In short - that there is no real setting nor anything to do in this supposed construct.

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>>47234833>>47234855
>>47234893
>>47235044
>>47235066
>>47235266
>I won't listen and you can't make me!
Oh no! It's gone full sperg! Stay back!!