In honor of one of the most interesting beings in modern history, let's enjoy some quotes from the woman herself. For purposes of D&D, obviously replace Jesus with the diety of your choice:>"Suffering, pains sorrow, humiliation, feelings of loneliness, are nothing but the kiss of Jesus, a sign that you have come so close that He can kiss you.">"All that suffering—where would the world be without it? It is innocent suffering, and that is the same as the suffering of Jesus. He suffered for us and all the innocent suffering is joined to His, in the Redemption. It is co-redemption. That is helping to save the world from worse things.">"In twenty-five years we have picked up more than thirty-six thousand people from the streets and more than eighteen thousand have died a most beautiful death. A few nights ago we picked up four people. One was in a most terrible condition, covered with wounds, full of maggots. I told the sisters that I would take care of her while they attended to the other three. I really did all that my love could do for her. I put her in bed and then she took hold of my hand, She had such a beautiful smile on her face and she said only, “Thank you.” Then she died."
>>49163480I thought we came to the conclusion that all Christians are evil.
>>49163532Just catholics excludes mormons and evangelicals, so that can't be right
>>49163502Wow, I didn't realize /tg/ was one person
>>49163532But Theresa was Catholic. What was her endgame, then?
>>49163568You didn't know we're all just essentially posting a la Everyone is John, and that we all share the same head?
>>49163532Misspelled "Catholic church".catholics aren't evil, though they are a bit more retarded than the usual others.>>49163502>le edgy atheism
>>49163480Soooo thinly veiled "Mother Theresa was actually a fucking monster with a good PR campaign" thread?
>>49163551>hating MormonsMormons are some of the best people there are; only the crazy cults not associated with the church are the ones with tons of teenage wives forced into marriage.
>>49163569As far as I know, child slavery and money laundering
>>49163532Catholics, Calvinists, Anglicans, Baptists, Anabaptists, Pentecostals, the Orthodox and Eastern Churches, everyone except the Lutherans is going straight to hell.
>>49163654>only the crazy cultseveryone outside of america views mormonism as a crazy cultYou don't actually have to force people into marriages to be considered a crazy cult.It's sufficient that you believe blatantly crazy stuff, have blatantly crazy practices, and are an offshoot from an actually major religion, with your own fanfictions interspersed with it.Catholicism would be a crazy cult were there not this many people following it.
>>49163685>everyone except the Lutherans is going straight to hell.As a Lutheran myself....No.
>>49163654>mormons>not a crazy cultFriendly reminder the Mormons used to attack and murder non Mormon settlers passing into Utah and had to be suppressed by the united states army.>>49163674Mother Theresa believed suffering to be a divine connection to God, and as such did not believe in providing pain medication to patients. She did not really provide medical care to her patients, just 'care', affection, and prayer - people were cleaned and sores dressed, but little medication was given, contagious patients were not separated, and honest attempts at revitalization were not made. It was purely spiritual healing in focus, and suffering was a part of that.Theresa did not launder her money, she used it - just not for humanitarian aid. She used it for missionary work, which she saw as the ultimate in humanitarian aid. As a hardline Catholic she opposed abortion, female emancipation, and divorce. She would stealth baptise dying patients without their knowledge, understanding, or consent.She's the textbook definition of an evil person who believes themselves to be good. In her eyes, everything was justified because she was saving souls and bringing people closer to God.
>>49163695If your beliefs are corrupted by Satan you're going to join him.
>>49163686Everyone outside America doesn't know anything about Mormanism, and most people in America knows nothing about Mormanism.
>>49163480So the character lives in a favela ridden with disease?
In terms of original christian beliefs it'sCoptic>Orthodox>>Catholic>>>>>all the crazy protestant heretics
>>49163705>If your beliefs are corrupted by Satan you're going to join him.Lutherans don't actually believe catholicism to be the work of the devil.That's something a catholic would say.>>49163709>southparkalso mormon missionaries.
>>49163639Good question is whether you'd consider her a hero or a villain in your campaign. She loved to "help" the dying by making them feel loved as she watched them die and didn't actually treat them with medical aid.When she needed help, she went to USA and had proper doctors treat her.Neutral Good?Lawful Evil?You decide, /tg/.
Discussing Religion never ends up well anywhere, even on here. Can we all please agree to disagree and not try to shove shit down each others throats and make something of this thread?
>>49163713>hurr durr we have our own pope but he's not actually infallible, whoops>hurr durr we have loads of our own books which are totally as canonical>hurr durr we celebrate jesus' circumcisionYeah nah copts are edgy as fuck.
>>49163730Lawful Evil, if we're going by strict D&D defintions.By theological definition... still evil. Jesus came and healed the sick and relieved the suffering. The true test of any CHRISTian is to emulate CHRIST. Suffering for one's faith and being steadfast in the plan of God is part of that, yes, but so is forgiving your enemy, helping the sick and poor be NOT SICK and NOT POOR (Jesus explicitly fed the poor and gave them food) and made no ethical or spiritual demands except that people follow him or his example.
>>49163740>>hurr durr we have our own pope but he's not actually infallible, whoopsthat actually sounds perfectly reasonable, a whole hell of a lot more than believing in an infallible mortal.
>>49163723Because the Catholics give tradition as strong a weight as the Holy Bible itself, and tradition is made up by men many of whom were evil, it's a shitty state of affairs. I was exaggerating about Satan but Catholicism really fucked up.
>>49163740And that's why copts are the "truest" christians. All the other cults are cucked and watered down as fuck.
>>49163788If 'watering down' means removing stupid things like circumcision then I'm all for it.
>>49163704Theresa was essentially a zealot. She believed strongly in her cause and thought it to be good, heedless of the reality of the situation. She was also hugely shameless in pulling publicity stunts and accepting money even from infamous criminals. So long as she could keep the holy suffering going, she would think herself good.Perhaps her most lasting legacy are the people who still consider her a saint. People who casually mention Mother Theresa as if she's some paragon of good intention unlike Mr. Rodgers, the REAL incarnate paragon of good without reading into her actual history; the kinds of people that bought the very hype she was selling about herself without looking too closely at it.
>>49163735>Can we all please agree to disagreeNo. If this thread triggers you then you can always hide it like a little bitch. The rest of us are mature enough to ignore those who don't contribute to a mature discussion, to accept valid arguments from the other side and switch sides if we can no longer defend our position.The religion we're discussing is Catholocism, not Islam, so there's no need to self-censor.
>>49163763They are pretty cool.I recently went to an event where they had a sacred limb of a saint with my family.One of the people guarding the mummified hand in all fancy clothes suddenly turned around and greeted my father.Turns out he's a fellow astrophysicist and world class in the field of stellar dynamics.In his free time he's one of the people who guard these holy relics.Anyway my point was that only a catholic would say something as self obsessed that some other faith is heresy and the work of the personified devil.
>>49163704Friendly reminder that frontier America was extremely tribal and violent.
>>49163955Was sometimes the case, but was never really as bloody as westerns make it out to be. I mean, if things were THAT bad, who would ever want to set out for it? It was hard enough trying to live on the frontier, and they didn't need a bunch of people shooting other people and making it more difficult. And, well, the kinds of people who did go around murdering people ended up pretty swiftly being murdered themselves.And systematically murdering everyone coming through your territory is pretty out there even for the frontier.
>>49163480She's side character in Requiem: Chevalier Vampire - one of Ghoul Pirate leaders.In the setting, Ghouls are afterlife incarnation of hypocrites that have done great evil in life while believing they are doing good.
>>49164186Huh? Which one? There was a nun that sold orphans, but I don't remember her being mother Theresa.
Get educated and don't fall for propagandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4
>>49163705You are a fool if you think God would abandon anyone who is pure of heart, no matter their faith.Its not even about believing at all, it is about being filled with God's love; even if you don't know it.
>>49164650the bottom line of every religion is 'don't be a dick', stick to that and you should get along fine
>>49163532>>49163502>church>not the weakest link/unneeded middle-man in your personal relationship with GodGood joke, anons, good joke.You either believe in God (or Gods), or you don't.Subjecting your personal beliefs to an arbitrary dogmatism inflicted by an institution that claims that it has some sort of "connection" to your personal God (which is yours and yours only, mind you) is extremely narrow-minded.Church and its rituals are unneeded to practice your faith.
>>49164744>>49164727These guys get it.
>>49164727Just... No.>>49164650In order to receive salvation, you must accept Jesus Christ into your heart. If you believe in a false Jesus then you are in trouble.
>>49164876>Just... No.So... be a dick?
>>49164876>If you believe in a false Jesus then you are in trouble.Isn't that definition of anti-christ? He will appear a false savior.
>>49164908Well, there's a saying that you are what you eat.
>>49164908theres no religion that will stop you from being one of those fuckers who parks across two spaces or takes half a minute to start after the lights change
>>49164910The antichrist appears at the apocalypse. I don't think that has started yet but maybe it has. Is there a charismatic influential leader who the entire world is kneeling before yet, retending to offer gifts only God can?
>>49164931>or takes half a minute to start after the lights changeon the contrary, most if not all religion advises you to take longer if the one behind you have different religion.
>>49164931actually, Amish will excommunicate you for the latter, unless you're starting a horse carriage
>>49164910No, the anti-christ is THE false jesus. Regular messiah con-men are just like false prophets, dime a dozen and not nearly as big a threat.
>>49164951>Is there a charismatic influential leader who the entire world is kneeling before yet, retending to offer gifts only God can?Pope said that "God builds bridges, not walls" so I guess we don't have to worry yet.
>>49165025We better cancel all bridge projects and build tunnels instead, just to be on the safe side.
>>49164876Jesus was all along in your heart. You must only realize it, and with it, find the divine within your soul.Jesus isn't found in books, but in the world around you, for it's God's world.Explore it. When you do, you'll find compassion, selflessness and wonder. Wonder towards creation, wonder towards the light each soul can nurture from a spark into a blinding radiance.Then you'll have found your place in God's work and be at peace. Only then Jesus will truly be with you.
>>49165084Only Syria and Russia is barely kneeling before Putin, I doubt that he will ever be an anti-christ.
>>49165096>Nature worshiping paganism masquerading as Christendom: The post.
>>49165128Isn't that just a Gnostic?
>>49165096Whoa there son. God inspired the Bible. It's his Word passed down to us. You may have noticed we think the book is pretty important, and that's why.God created the world and it's pretty great. But christianity is not pantheism. God created and existed before the universe, he is not the same thing as the universe. >>49165166So many things are labelled gnosticism these days. AFAIK the only thing the gnostic sects had in common was the search for gnosis, the emphasis on the third-level part of a human being (the bit made of divine wisdom, sometimes the holy spark) which exists in all of us but must be cultivated to reach its full potential and set you on the path to become one with God.
>>49163685BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHlutherans are pretty much the only christians going straight to hell
>>49165221>Whoa there son. God inspired the Bible. It's his Word passed down to usKey word inspired, it's not infallible. It was an oral tradition passed down by a bunch of asshole raiders and sheep fuckers living in the desert, then co-opted by the Romans who imposed their own arbitrary definitions of what was or wasn't gospel on it. The Bible has been in flux since it was a concept, and has changed with every iteration and translation. It is not infallible.People who treat religion as an instruction manual to follow by rote rather than a mirror we hold up to examine ourselves and our behavior are the problem.
>>49165128How much do you know of the roots of Christendom?Because I'll tell you this much, it was nothing like today's incarnation of it. Not the Catholics, Lutherans nor the Orthodoxy come even close.Today's Christendom is nothing but a shadow, the mutated product of the men who interpreted Christ's vision for humanity; normally with the best of intentions I might add.Unfortunately not all of them. There were a lot of wicked men with only their self-interest at heart. That is why in the modern world, there is no true Christendom.That is why faith must be seeked, taken and defined on your own terms. Faith needs to be given form, individualized so that it may be at its truest, and with it, Cheistendom is reborn as it was meant to be.
>>49165260>People who treat religion as an instruction manual to follow by rote rather than a mirror we hold up to examine ourselves and our behavior are the problem.Would it be better if the religion's sacred book was a mirror scroll?
Lots of fedoras tipping in here.
>>49163813I wouldn't be surprised if she was getting off on the suffering.
>>49165221>God inspired the BibleThere lies the key. Unlike Muslims', our Holy Book isn't the literal word of God. It has gone through unfathomable ammount of edits and translations. Things were taken out, things were taken in, some were attempted to be clarified to the point its now the product of man. The loose recollection of what we think we know of God, clouded by time.It still holds truth if you are sharp enough to seize it, but the thing is, to this day, God still speaks to us. You must not let the Bible absorb you to the point you cannot hear His word, to the point you can't see the subtlety with which He manifests at the most crucial moments.
>>49165336Are we still calling people who are angry against Christianity fedoras? A lot of them feel betrayed because they were never given any choice about what to believe, so they're revolting against what they've been told. Christians should be willing to listen to their concerns and help them work out how religion can work for them personally.
>>49165301Srry, I'm a spic and get things mixed up every now and then.
>>49165367The Qu'ran was given to Mohammed by Gabriel but it was only compiled in written form a few years after his death by the first caliph. It has quite an interesting early history and it seems there could have been a few early versions but the one promoted by the caliph became the standard and the others disappeared.
>>49165387np, english past participles are fucking weird
The catholic Church accepts evolution and has a favorable view of science as long as it isn't stem cells research and shit like that, also the Pope even said that anyone who lives a good life can go to heaven even if he isn't a Catholic, I'm an ex-catholic fag and atheist now but still can't let you spout these uneducated opinions about the Church.
>>49163480Basically it's a Lawful Good Aligned death cult leader - a bit like the Dustmen but without that whole plan of skaal's to end the universe by raising every single entity in it as awakened undead of various kinds,
>>49165407>Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in ithttp://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm
>>49165407Stem cell research is okay, as long as it isn't from an aborted fetus, because, you know, abortion.
>>49165018>>49164951There is always an Antichrist somewhere in the world; we just haven't reached the last one.The Devil knows not the day nor the hour that judgement shall come, and so the parts and pieces of the apocalypse are always present, waiting for God's hand to set them in motion. The Devil is eager for the time of his promised dominion to come, because he still believes he can take the upper hand afterwards, so he is always trying to nudge the beginning of the end into motion.
>>49163502>>49163532My crusader sense is tingling!
>>49165407Literally what missionary work is, anon. The new pope is cool but here is a lot of history before his more reasonable doctrine.
>>49165393>and the others disappearedWere burned by Uthman. Uthman was the earliest Qu'ran burner in history yet this doesn't trigger Muslims even though it should trigger them harder than that preacher in Bumfuck nowhere, Florida a few years ago.
>>49165531Is the devil rebelling against god and not just being another angel doing its job canon to the bible?
>>49164518I believe Mother Terror.
>>49165393>>49165644Reminder that in original Qu'ran three pre-islamic goddesses were praised.
>>49165407>also the Pope even said that anyone who lives a good life can go to heaven even if he isn't a Catholic,Stop that. You're twisting the Pope's word again.
>>49163502Yes, i'm out to eat your babies. Also D&D makes you a satanist and if you play video games you hate women.
>>49163480So we meet again, demon.I will drag you back into the abyss from whence you came.Seriously though where did I leave my whiskey?
>>49165645That varies depending on the canon in question.From an absolute unbiased "ignorant atheist who decided to take a careful read of the Bible" perspective, it's not strictly defined whether the Serpent in Eden, the Prosecutor who appears to Jesus in the desert, and the Beast of the End of Days are the same figure.What is certain that the Serpent tempted Eve as an act against God, and the Beast acts in (proscribed) rebellion against God; both act in defiance of God's will first and foremost, though God permits their actions because they are part of the larger plan. While the Beast is indeed given dominion over the Earth by God's Word, the manner in which it does so is of its own volition. Since it seizes the opportunity to demand worship for itself, it clearly is not simply an obedient actor of God's will carrying out His plan.The Prosecutor in the desert could go either way, depending on interpretation. At no point does he actually DO anything himself to violate God's will; he only advocates are argues.The key traits of the general perception of The Devil are a combination of features from all three; the malevolent lord of evil (the Beast) who tempts into rebellion against God (the Serpent) but cannot force humans to do so (the Prosecutor).While there is obvious similarity between the three that can support the interpretation that they are all Satan/Lucifer, the single entity, the Bible does not outright state anything to the effect of "Then came the Beast, who was Satan who rebelled, and the Serpent of Eden, and the tempter of Jesus."
>>49165917>woman lives in literal hell on earth>builds wharehouse where terminally ill people belonging to an untouchable caste can go to die with a roof over their heads and someone holding their hands>she is somehow evil
>>49166018Satan is actually the good guy.
>>49166018Thanks anon, that was a clearer explanation than I was expecting.
>>49166020>woman lives in literal hell on earth>builds warehouse where ill people belonging to an untouchable caste can go to die in agony from preventable causes>gets shittons of money from outside sources, more than enough to stock basic antibiotics and painkillers, but actively refuses to ease any of the suffering or treat any of the illnesses>she is somehow good
>>49166020Yeah ikr?Also Hitchens was a pseudointellectual retard who got famous only for being a petulant child who couldn't handle diffing opinions.
>>49166116>die in agony from preventable causesBut no one cared about these people, they would just die in a ditch otherwise, her only desire was to give a semblance of dignity to them at their last moments.
>>49166020>elects not to inform treatable cases that they could be saved, instead allowing them to die falsely believing in the inevitably of their death>allows patients, some who might yet recover, to be exposed to contagious cases, putting them at risk of infections which may complicate their illness into a fatal condition, because she ultimately expects and desires all of them to die>actively avoids easing their passage in a non-emotional sense, such as with painkillers or corrective treatment>violates patient's right to freely choose their beliefs by baptizing without knowledge or consent, an act further contrary to the fundamental principles of Christianity itself, because she did so with the intention to "save" those who have not chosen to accept Christ into their heart, as though the act of sprinkling water were somehow powerful in and of itself rather than solely for the decision it symbolizes; literally heretical>when she herself becomes ill, hypocriticly seeks professional medical treatment
>>49166020Pic related in my post is a man that revealed some pretty shady things about Mother Teresa, Christopher Hitchens was a pretentious drunk but he was swag as fuck. I would totally play him in a setting where a Teresa like npc was the BBEG
>>49166020Pain and suffering have come into your life, but remember pain, sorrow, suffering are but the kiss of Nurg*hacklingcough*Jesus.Mother Teresa
>>49165917One of the clear forerunners to why following news media is a pursuit of the ill informed and angry. Poorly researched strong opinions spoken from an ivory tower of privilege with charisma and appealing prose feeding the masses that care more about confirming what they want than speaking to any sort of truth.
>>49166281>But no one cared about these peopleExactly. No-one cared enough to save their lives, or even if they were saved at all. Theresa certainly didn't care if they lived, since she had the means to save many of them and elected not to.>"Oh sweet Mother, you are so kind to these poor downtrodden souls, who have noone to turn to in their time of need. Please, accept this donation to further your good works.">proceeds to spend donations on things that aren't saving the lives of said poor downtrodden souls, who continue to die preventable deaths
>>49166386As if the truth even matters. We're surrounded by so many lies and half truths, at this stage, that it's all just for shits and giggles anyway.
>>49166403Those pesky things like rent and orphans!
>>49166403She did exactly what she said she would, I don't believe she is a saint but you can't say that she is evil because she didn't do what you belive she should have.The fact that she would just give an spoon of soup to a sick man while talking about Jesus instead of trying to find an hospital that would accept him may be less than stelar behaviour, but isn't evil.
>>49166747>I don't believe she is a saintYou should look again. She was canonized today.
>>49166116Did Jesus receive any help to ease his suffering when he on the cross?
>>49168395yup, when he said he's thirsty they let him suck on a sponge
>>49168395No, but then again the Romans didn't nail his ass to a cross to be friendly.Jesus did, however, help and heal before he was nailed up.
>>49168423That doesn't ease anything, that's on par with her giving food to the dying who are gonna die either way.>people unironically think she's an evil person
>>49168446They like to think that they have secret knowledge about a person that is loved by the mainstream, also muh superstar science man said it, so its true.
>>49168446Except she had the means to save some of the people under her care and took no steps to do so because she believed that suffering brought them closer to God. She's those people that let their kids die from a preventable illness because of their religious belief, but on an industrial scale.
>>49168524Mother Theresa not being as holy as she was made out to be.>Secret knowledge.Unless your a Catholic that's pretty mainstream knowledge, anon.
>>49168446He was thirsty and they helped him, how is that not an easement? They could've just let him be thirsty
>>49168617>Mother Theresa not being as holy as she was made out to be.That's very different from implying that she was a sadistic evil person.
>>49168570So? Maybe if they converted they would've been saved.
>>49163704In a world without Religion, you would have good people doing good things, and bad people doing bad things, but it takes religion to make a good person do bad thing.
>>49169194What bad thing? Where was the bad thing you autist?
>>49169209>>49166294>elects not to inform treatable cases that they could be saved, instead allowing them to die falsely believing in the inevitably of their death>allows patients, some who might yet recover, to be exposed to contagious cases, putting them at risk of infections which may complicate their illness into a fatal condition, because she ultimately expects and desires all of them to die>actively avoids easing their passage in a non-emotional sense, such as with painkillers or corrective treatment>violates patient's right to freely choose their beliefs by baptizing without knowledge or consent, an act further contrary to the fundamental principles of Christianity itself, because she did so with the intention to "save" those who have not chosen to accept Christ into their heart, as though the act of sprinkling water were somehow powerful in and of itself rather than solely for the decision it symbolizes; literally heretical>when she herself becomes ill, hypocriticly seeks professional medical treatment
>>49163480You know, I honestly think her agenda was good, but my justification comes from different point of view - let's call it greater good of society.The ill and the miserable she cared for - even if they were to recover from their immediate ills, would never actually contribute to society, so it's better to let them die (preferably with at least a sliver of dignity) that to spend resources on prolonging their life.
>>49169248None of those things are bad you fedora tipping autist.
>>49169194>it takes religion to make a good person do bad thing.or sufficient incompetence
>>49169272I found the secret hitler, what do I win?
>>49169194No, I'm pretty sure all it takes for a "good person" to do bad things is any motivation whatsoever
>>49169283>none of those things are badI'm not even him, and yet even I cannot comprehend the faggotry you just spouted.Are you fucking insane? Or just a sociopath?
>>49169283Oh Double Secret Hitler!
>>49169248Sure, but every belief has the ability to become pathological and cause you to do bad things, regardless of religion.
>>49169283Any ONE of them would make her a very evil person, given the scale of her operations.
>>49169302Are you? Why do you wish for them to suffer even more? At least she feeds them and lets them die as a Christian? Would you rather have them rot in the streets or have them be safe and fed.
>>49169340>suffer even moreSo apparently medical treatment of perfectly treatable diseases is somehow "prolonging the suffering".You know what, you should try getting a job in the hospital. I'm sure people won't look at you weird when your patient gets a case of common cold, and you refuse to treat him because "it's prolonging the suffering".
>>49169340So serial killers are actually good people because they kill people to avoid prolonging their suffering?
>>49169373>So apparently medical treatment of perfectly treatable diseases is somehow "prolonging the suffering".Yes. Why should they waste resources on people who are gonna die anyways AND let's not forget these are the lowest of the low because of birthright, who will never get any real help if they were to live.
>>49169407No. Because they are actively murdering people and doing horrible things to the body.
>>49169411>Why should they waste resources on people who are gonna die anywaysEveryone is going to die eventually, therefore medical treatment of any kind should be banned because it prolongs suffering.
Well, I didn't know any of this shit. Now I'm fucking depressed.Gunna go watch some Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, I think.At least he really was what he seemed to be. A good, good man.
>>49169411>people who are gonna die anyways THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THEY AREN'T GONNA DIE IF YOU TREAT THEM
>>49169443>the people of the lowest of the low should be able to live and live a life of destitute and to be ignored by there peers and to treated like shit by everyone else because they aren't the same caste and will never be able to get the help they need Would you rather be given medicine and thrown out into the world afterwards and die because the organization has none left to give because it's overstuffed with people or would you rather die in comfort.>>49169451They aren't being treated you shit. It's a hospice, a place where you die in comfort.
>>49169445>actually listening to the atheist shits who don't understand what a hospice is
>>49169499>Would you rather be given medicine and thrown out into the world afterwards and die because the organization has none left to give because it's overstuffed with people or would you rather die in comfort.Everyone in this world suffers, that doesn't mean they have no right to live. And even if they WOULD choose to die, that should be THEIR choice, not anyone else's.
>>49169445Unlike some other "good" people...
>>49169625So you would rather have them rot in the streets? The streets for which corpses rot and where people shit in? The fuck is wrong with you?
>>49163480So pic related?
>>49169611There is a difference between a hospice, and a hellhole dick wad.
>>49169653Perhaps not, but it's THEIR choice to make. Not mine or anyone else's.
>>49169670No, a hellhole is where the people are allowed to shit in the fucking streets and act like animals while you suffer.
This troll thread is insufficiently trolley to be any fun, needs more "Reminder that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and no different from Anders Breivik so far".
>>49169684And some choose to come to Theresa in there final hours to die in comfort. India is a shithole and the fact you want more the casteless to suffer is just immoral.
>>49163686>>49163551>believe blatantly crazy stuff, have blatantly crazy practices, and are an offshoot from an actually major religion, with your own fanfictions interspersed with itbelieving that God and the afterlife exist is crazy, any religious practice is a crazy practice, and all holy texts are fanfictionin my book Morms are exactly as weird as any other world religion, with the main difference being that the religion is effectively 180 years old as opposed to most world religions which are 1000+ weird? yeah, if you don't believe in them, then the claims of any religion are weird m. evil? nah, no way.
>>49169698Have you ever seen a Mother Teresa hospice anon? They are hell holes of suffering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nCaxHN-cY
What does it matter in the end? Everyone believes in something to help them get through the day, whether it be religion, moral objectivism, conformity, the tiny ember of hope that one day you'll get to live your dream of smashing someone's skull open against the corner of a building, post-scarcity, or even a technological singularity.
>>49169771DELET THIS!Megumin a pure!
>>49169784So it's better for them to die in a the streets?The streets for which people literally shit in because they're bull cow "god" told them too?
>>49169810It's literally better for most of them to not have to die right then, which would have been simple to achieve with the resources she was given.
>>49169810>>49169853She spent that money on the church... not like for the church to do good works, but on top notch nunneries and shit for the priests.
>>49169853If she gave them medicine, they would've been forced out afterwards. If they are forced out afterwards they would probably come back. If they came back, there wouldn't be enough to go around. So honestly, let them die. The casteless have a cruel life of mistreatment, so to them die in retaliative comfort is better than dying while another pajeet shits right next to you.
>>49169892>the church should look ugly as sinThe Church is a temple, a temple shouldn't look disgusting.
>>49169771>believing that God and the afterlife exist is crazy,>99% of all humans who ever lived are crazy.>reading from a book which you consider to be a good moral compass, and coming together with other people and trying to interpret it is a crazy practice.Also, some claims from some religions are more believable than that special underwear is necessary for you because a man said so.Don't tip that fedora too hard.
I'm surprised to see so much hate for modern Catholicism. Catholic clergy is at least consistently educated and has the capacity to debate and change with the times. Protestants, by contrast, appear to be uneducated shyster preachers who basically present their own opinions as god's word, and demand money and conformity under threat of hellfire. In terms of evil its analogous to comparing Wall Street to Somalia. Yeah, Catholics got some corrupt fuckers, but Protestantism is sort of just roving bands of batshit crazy bigots dictating incredibly short-sighted public policy.And I say all this as a second generation atheist. Catholics by far seem like the lesser of evils. At least, I've always been able to have a sensible conversation about ethics and public policy with them that didn't evolve into flinging their poo and screaming a bunch like it does with the bible belt I grew up in.
>>49169919How about the church look modest, and we spend the money on teaching people to fish for a lifetime, and other things that uplift rather then spend it on bling.
>>49169943It's because most of the board is filled with atheists who like to make fun of the biggest Church because they can get away with it because of some of the shit that happens.
>>49169965>How about the church look modest>modestSo it should look like a small convention center?>uplift >India>a place where the casteless are considered the lowest of the low where they can't get any help and won't be treated with any help because of there birthYou don't understand what the fuck you are talking about. This isn't like America, this isn't where you can pull the brass ring and run with it.
>>49169943>catholic clergy is at least consistently molesting young boysalso protestants don't believe in hell anymore, it got phased out.
>>49169940You don't anything about Catholocism.
>>49170011Well, murrica is decent comparison actually because the poor don't get treated either.There's difference in upward mobility though (or absence thereof).
>>49169892And to put herself up in a top notch American hospital when she got ill.
>>49170031That guy was talking about religion in general.Lutherans and the reformed churches in general don't seem to have too many practices like are bullshit.I once had a female pastor as my religion teacher.Also in the post he replied to i specifically said that the catholics with their weird crazy beliefs and their weird crazy practices would be a cult were they not one of the major religious groups on the planet.Mormons however are a tiny minority, and only popular in one tiny part of the world (western US) and have practices and beliefs at least as crazy as catholics.So putting them on the same level as catholics is not correct.
>>49170079In India, you don't get that. In India you are stuck with that caste and you ain't moving. So those of the lowest of the low, they are again, treated like shit.So again, would you rather die in the streets or die in relative comfort.>>49170099There is literally nothing wrong with going to a hospital.
>>49170024It's being found out (At least in Aus from what I've seen) that the Anglicans have been just as bad as the Catholics on that front. It's more a 'People in general have been really shit about dealing with that until recently' than specifically a catholic thing.
>>49170011They sure as shit weren't getting fucking treatment with her.
>>49170150We aren't talking about treatment. We are talking about letting them die in comfort.
>>49170124It makes you a hypocrite when you go around saying shit like:>"Suffering, pains sorrow, humiliation, feelings of loneliness, are nothing but the kiss of Jesus, a sign that you have come so close that He can kiss you."
>>49170177Letting them die from the treatable illnesses her foundation had the resources to treat.
>>49170178Okay, let me put this in laymans turns for you.Does a person who owns a hospice as a charity use it or should they go to a hospital because they can afford it.These people, who went there to die, wanted to die in comfort. >>49170194But they would run out of the resources and they would have to turn them away.
>>49169943Lumping together all Catholics and all Protestants into two groups is not correct.There are various orders of Catholics who are pretty left-wing and not assholes and Protestants gets you shit like Unitarians and Quakers, who are also pretty left-wing and not assholes about it.
>>49169943>Catholics can consistently speak about ethics>Invested hundreds of thousands of not millions into protecting child molestersThey have been kinda OK in the past decade though, so it's all cool.
>>49170217Why? Because you say so?Eat fucking dogshit. Holy fuck, I hope to the divine you're just being a trolling shithead, because I'm actually mad and horrified at what a fucking monster you are.
>>49170217I see. We can't save all the starfish, so we shouldn't save any of them.
>>49170217YOU FUCKING NIGGERTHEY WENT TO HER BECAUSE SHE FUCKING PROMISED TREATMENT AND THEN LETTHEMFUCKINGDIEYES I FUCKING MAD
>>49170217The problem with MT is that she was hospicing people when they were savable, and didn't give people the option to use the good stuff pain managementwise.Her being a hippo crate only makes the ideal treatment of the dying explicitly part of her life story.If she was committed to applying the same principles to herself, it wouldn't justify her actions.
>>49170236You do realize that the protestants do that more, correct? >>49170246Why do you support people dying in the streets you mad little shit? Why are you a fedora tipping atheist that lives in the west and acts like he knows what goes on in different countries.>>49170267She did treat them. What she did was treat them with kindness.
>>49170246It's actually a severe misunderstanding of how shit the rest of the world is, and lording over decisions using hindsight and a greater education.
>>49170267For all the MANY controversies about her, her claiming to be able to cure them isn't really one of them.Her houses were always known as houses of the dying/hospice care.
>>49170289>when they were savableTheir caste makes it so they weren't fucking savable. This isn't a fucking hospital, it's a place where you die.>If she was committed to applying the same principles to herselfWhich she doesn't, given how she doesn't follow Hindu shit where it's legal for a grown man to shit in the streets because of the fact they are of low standing. She can afford it.
>>49170289>hippo cratemy sides have reached escape velocity
>>49170315>You do realize that the protestants do that more, correct?Why would this matter?
>>49170315I hope you take a bullet to the gut, and die slowly, screaming as the shit leaks into your bloodstream.You fucking subhuman filth.
>>49170135This. Don't kid yourself- there are plenty of protestant kiddie fuckers. Its just that when Pastor Dan from Arkansas of the 132nd Baptist River Church camp fucks children, it doesn't make national news because the 132nd Baptist church only has 12 members and only exists in Klanville AR.Everybody knows what Catholics are- stories about them are interesting. Protestants are basically individuals claiming tax exemptions to be a professional bigot. If one of them is shitty, its hardly news.>>49170024>protestants don't believe in hell anymoreLike fuck they don't. That's the thing about protestants- nobody organizes them. They believe whatever the fuck they want. Fire and brimstone is still plenty popular.
>>49170315>You do realize that the protestants do that more, correct?They get caught more often. That might indicated they do it more often, yes. It might also indicate they are not so good at hiding it.
>>49170405>That's the thing about protestants- nobody organizes them.Sounds a lot like Islam right now to be honest.>>49170402I'm literally begging you to stop being an edgy faggot and realize that the world is a fucked up place and that being an ideological shitter only hurts more.>>49170418>It might also indicate they are not so good at hiding it.Are you saying they should be hiding more of them? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you support child molesters? Fucking sicko.
>>49170418well, protestants don't have a giant world-spanning monolithic church that covers up crimes their priest commit, that relocates pedophiles while telling the kids that god will hate them if they tell their parents. Might be that.
>>49170455>Fucking sicko.>where do you think you are.jpg
>>49170455You are literally saying that people shouldn't expect their donations to charity to actually do something that they donated for, when you ask people to not be idealistic.
Why didn't Mother Theresa use her position to speak out against the cultural institution of the caste system?
>>49170489You're right. They have local converts where they can say whatever the fuck and tell them if you don't give pastor Johnny B. Pedophile a blowjob you're going straight to hell.>>49170493A place where it doesn't support actual child molesters.Because that's a sin. A deep sin. And it turns a child away from God.
>>49170515>You are literally saying that people shouldn't expect their donations to charity to actually do something that they donated forBut it was doing something. It was helping those who were dying to feel comfort. >>49170517Because why the fuck would anyone listen to a Catholic nun in a country where they believe in many gods? Also she would've most likely been martyred.
>>49170519Are we memeing now or are you for real? I'm genuinely not sure anymore.
>>49170519Playing double's add evocate.Why would rape turn someone away from God?
>>49170455I'm being the edgy one? Holy fucking hell, get your head out of your ass or put a fucking bullet in your goddamn brain and make the world a better place.
>>49164744Can only agree, and on 4chan that's something else.
>>49170562By getting MT the dollar to build a bitchin' nunnery?Pffft.
>>49170562She didn't even try. In fact, I think that the fact that untouchables existed at all was very heartwarming for Mother Teresa.
>>49170585Not the guy you replied to but if it's actual rape, and a person who is supposed to speak gods word on earth does something as awful as that you bet your ass that that will have consequences for how much you wish to associate with anything that person associated with.
>>49170567I'm being dead serious. 2d isn't real so it's fine.>>49170585>Why would rape turn someone away from God?Yeah, probably. Rape is still wrong.>>49170593Yes, you're the one literally making threats towards someone arguing Saint Theresa point. God help you.>>49170616If she did tried, she would've been killed. Get that through your skull.
>>49168423A sponge of vinegar. To torture him more.
>>49170635>If she did tried, she would've been killed. Get that through your skull.Then I suppose she would have died beautifully.
>>49170455>Sounds a lot like Islam right now to be honest.Yes/no. I agree and also disagree.ISIS is organizing Islam. The Islamic state is based on the idea of reestablishing the caliphate- someone who is a blood descendant of the prophet Muhammed and sort of like a pope of Islam.However its also a tenant of Islam that there is no professional clergy. Anybody can call the faithful to prayer. Anybody can read scripture aloud in a mosque. The idea that every man should become literate and read the Quran from himself (Martin Luther's contribution to Christianity) was there from the start.Nonetheless there arose defacto priests of Islam called Imams, or "scholars". Basically they just had enough money and free time they could become experts on the subject and have lengthy philosophical discussions about scripture all day. People look to them for wisdom, and they effectively became clerical figures and shaped the dogmatic schisms that followed, such as that between Sunni and Shia. According to the Quran, given a fundamentalist reading, its actually blasphemy to recognize "states" at all. The "islamic state" is really a declaration that no borders exist in the world- only those who follow the prophet and those that need to die. The only law is Sharia law- all other laws are heresy, including laws specifying territory. And the Caliph is the somewhat meaningless enforcer of this law, which is self-evident.To be clear- this is all insane bullshit to me. Just regurgitating what intel I've managed to gather on the situation.
>>49170635I'm not making threats, you fucking retard. I'm stating my legitimate hope. That you die. That you fucking goddamn die. Right now I'm wishing this with every fiber of my being, you goddamn monster.
>>49170651Not true. While it might have been sour, it was something that people drank just fine on the regular, and all agree that it was meant a comfort.
>>49170635>>49170567>2d isn't real so it's fine.I personally think rape of any kind is extremely tasteless.Which is not to say that all sexual contact with people under an arbitrary age is awful, but what those priests did that was awful.
>>49170654A martyrs death isn't pretty anon.>>49170671Why are you so offended? Is it that I believe that Mother Theresa dindu nuffin and that she's a literal Saint for at least doing something? What the fuck have you done?>>49170658All I'm hearing is that it's just protestantism plus. Bunch of dogs.
>>49170489There's a 39 billion dollar sex slave industry in the United States. By comparison, the drug trade is only 21 billion. Most of this is not kidnapping. Much of it is foreigners being brought here. But that which is domestic is mostly parents pimping their children in small rural communities that are tight knit enough that no action is done.Who keeps the community tight knit? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.
>>49163730evilshe made fuck all attempt to help or ease suffering of othersnormally i'd say neutral but she made a career of profiting from the shit in the worldseriously, one of the worst people in historyat least hitler had the conviction all germans where greater than other peoplesmother teresa just put herself at the top of the pile and everyone else was 20 tiers under her
>>49170747So they should rot in the streets where people shit near them? Fuck you, you heartless monster.
>>49170732What piece of shit saint isn't willing to die for what they believe in, monster?She could have done something actually worthwhile, and helped people. Instead, they died in agony because of her. AND YOUTHINKTHIS IS A GOOD THINGI have never actually wished someone would die online before.But dear fucking god, I hate you with everything I am right now
>>49163480Was she a slut? She looks slutty
>>49163532>Protestants>Not Mammon-worshipersPick one and only one.
>>49170767Not the guy you replied to but:>Instead, they died in agony because of her.They didn't die in agony because of her.They died in agony despite of her.They died because they were sick and the society around them was a hellhole, she just didn't do enough to change that.
>>49170732>Martyrdom isn't pretty.What the actual fuck.Particularly in the context of you justifying MT's actions, a person who used the language of martyrdom so easily.
>>49170806No.You fucking retard. She REFUSED to give out any sort of pain killer, or properly segregate via contagion, meaning people got sicker and sicker. Actually read what this cunt did, maybe.
>>49170757replace mother teresa with meI should be on the topyou are all scum beneath meI am Godwhy do I have to deal with everyones problemsI hate you allnot even >polI hate you all
>>49170767>Instead, they died in agony because of herThey died in comfort. In fucking comfort you stupid fucking retard.>>49170812>a bullet to the head is pretty
>>49170839Not him but where can you read this?
>>49170839>You fucking retard. She REFUSED to give out any sort of pain killer,Which they wouldn't have gotten anyway.>or properly segregate via contagionwhich wouldn't have happened anyway since they would've laid in the shittingstreets.>Actually read what this cunt did, maybe.you mean actually read what a "new atheist" guy claims a prominent religious figure did.
>>49170888Actually learn to read. >>49166294I'm done with you.
>>49170768Well I think there's a lot of different circumstances for ending up as a nun, but that's honestly not an unheard of one depending on the time and place
>>49170888>>a bullet to the head is prettyI was of the impression that a "beautiful death" meant one died with dignity, rather than looking absolutely fab when you reach the Pearly Gates.
>>49170923See ya, you nu-atheist cuck.
>>49170940>I was of the impression that a "beautiful death" meant one died with dignityHow is there dignity when you get murdered by a bullet by someone you didn't see nor hear?
>>49170916So now you're arguing that they were no better off than when they were dying in the streets.
>>49170940>rather than looking absolutely fab when you reach the Pearly GatesNo you idiot, you're supposed to look good or else that faggy gatekeper won't let you in or give you a bad spotThat's why dead people wear suits.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2013/04/mother-teresa-and-her-criticsI think many of you guys need to read this. Most of the critics on this thread are blatant lies forged by a guy that never interviewed anyone that was directly concerned.
>>49170969How the fuck did you get that?No, it's better to die and to be fed than to die in the shitting streets.
>>49170757I think its a very Kantian sentiment he is espousing here. That it is wrong to use people. And she did use them to advance her career. Shameless publicity stunts and all that.It might be more justifiable if it were an informed choice on behalf of those she "helped". That is, if you explained that this is what you get (a place to die, no medical treatment, no pain meds, a hard bed even though I can afford better because I believe suffering is good for you in an abstract sense) and this is what I get (money from people around the world to pay for my room, board, personal expenses, my medical expenses) and the people giving me the money have had a clear explanation of how I will use their money (that is, they do not believe it will be used for your medical expenses, they understand it will be used for my personal expenses so that I can help you find Jesus on your cold hard deathbed), then the transaction would be acceptable. Every party would be fully informed, making deliberate choices based on that information, and nobody would be being used as a means to an end by a nefarious actor.In order for Mother Theresa to in fact be a saint, and not a fraud, you must demonstrate either1) That the majority of patients and donors understood her operation.OR2) That it is ethically permissible to deceive or permit deception and use people to attain an end that many of them would find deplorable.Your move, Catholic.
>>49170969I'm arguing that while it might have been possible to save them, them dying in pain in a clean place with nice people around was better than them dying in pain in dirt with everyone ignoring them.And while MT didn't cure them, she also didn't cause their wounds.
>>49170968>moves the goal postsMartyrdom is always beautiful.And what greater cause could there be than to help make so many souls to be treated with dignity in this mortal life.
>>49171007>2) That it is ethically permissible to deceive or permit deception and use people to attain an end that many of them would find deplorable.Yup. If it's a step up from literally nothing than it's better.
>>49170968Because you lived a forthright life and died for a cause that was good and that you believed in?>>49170994Damn, good point.
>>49171007>OR>2)OR3)That Mother Theresa herself was not doing a deliberate operation and did herself not know of this transaction you speak of and only acted in her best intentions.You assuming that everyone is just fuelled by personal gain is a very weird approach to things.
>>49170995First Things is an ecumenical, conservative and, in some views, neoconservative religious journal aimed at "advanc[ing] a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society". The magazine, which focuses on theology, liturgy, church history, religious history, culture, education, society and politics, is inter-denominational and inter-religious, representing a broad intellectual tradition of Christian and Jewish critique of contemporary society.No bias at all here, Chief.
>>49171003Well we keep listing the bad shit she was doing and you keep saying "well that would have happened anyway" like it somehow absolves her of any responsibility. As if she didn't have the means or the will to do better than what the streets gave them.
>>49171039>Martyrdom is always beautiful.Yes, yes it is beautiful. In the sense that someone died for God.But I'm talking about shit with vanity and all that.>>49171076>As if she didn't have the means or the will to do better than what the streets gave them.She literally doesn't. You're asking for a Hospital when it's a hospice.
>>49171107Electronic old men
>>49171113She could have built a hospital rather than a hospice.
>>49171140And been killed for helping the poor.
>>49171153That would have been particularly Christly of her, yes.
>>49171140She didn't really have the doctors for a Hospital. That's one of the major issues she had, that she had almost no one available that was actually a medical doctor.
>>49171140Out of all the criticisms directed against mother Teresa, this is by far the most retarded. The Catholic Church has been running both hospices and hospitals for centuries. She simply opted to run a hospice. If you were consistent in your criticism, then it'd mean there'd be no (Catholic run) hospices at all.
>>49171171And she would of died by the government of India because she could've been seen as a threat.
>>49171153By literally who? Who is this strange sociopath who exists in this weird in-between where they would kill someone for helping the poor, but says "well, I guess it's alright if they just wash them up a bit but do nothing else"? Fuck, is it you?
>>49171190>By literally who?Let's see:>Islamic militants >Hindu street shitters >people of a higher caste getting worried that she's trying to start a revolution with the lower caste >people who don't trust Catholics because muh mysticism is spooky >protestants
>>49171183As I understand it, she took in people into her hospice that could have been treated at a hospital. The counterargument is that they would have then gone back into the same conditions that made them sick, which is very true, but then when it is asked why she did not then address those very conditions of poverty and suffering, the counterargument is that she "would have been killed" by some strange force, possibly the Indian government, because they don't like political reformists or something and murder all of them.
The real issue is not that she ran a hospice when she should have run a hospital, it's that the "hospice" she ran did nothing to alleviate the suffering of the dying, but instead glorified it.The "Well they're dying anyway" argument is bordering on advocating mass murder.
>>49171234>>Islamic militantsthey kill anyone given the opportunity, so that does not really count
>>49171049Well, therein lies the dispute. Deontology is the enemy of Utilitarianism. Ends justify the means people are notoriously bad at actually doing the utilitarian calculus properly, but I suppose in this case you have the advantage of not attempting secular utilitarianism which requires the desires of the parties involved to be the only metric by which the sum is counted. The introduction of a metaphysical god whose weight is literally infinite does tip the scales a great deal.The problem you now face is a sort of nihilistic rules of nature. You see, you must either convince us that MT's actions justified the deception, and that the utility of all involved was improved even by a secular standpoint, or you fall back on the metaphysical "I win the argument because of god" button. However, the goal here is ostensibly to convince us to respect MT, and the god button will not suffice unless we already agreed with you. Her actions can be internally justified but do not merit our respect.So, the burden now falls on you to justify in secular utilitarian terms how MT's actions provided the greatest good for the greatest number, where good is defined as satisfying the desires of each party involved. I assert that MT did not satisfy the desires of the donors. Therefore there is a negative utility that must be overcome.Furthermore, she openly espoused a practice of encouraging suffering. Would the caste-less, given the informed choice, have chosen suffering over less suffering? I find that claim implausible, and you will need strong evidence to back it up.Assuming MT provided extremely minimal comfort (because she endorses suffering) as opposed to no comfort at all, you can claim a technical positive utility, but this is still in conflict of the negative utility of the donors not getting what they wanted. Therefore the net utility is negative, and MT is judged as just another selfish charity that took from the rich, and gave 99cents of every dollar to herself.
>>49171274She literally couldn't because there wouldn't be any doctors to help.God I hope you actually believe in Mary too, or I think you might be a retard.
>>49171302You don't need to be a doctor to run proper hospice care. You just need morphine. God knows she got enough money to afford morphine.
>>49171302That seems like a pretty infantile dismissal. She had international fame, but instead of directing the attention to the plight of the sick in Calcutta, she instead opted to talk about how abortion and contraceptives were bad.
>>49171068You're alleging MT was ignorant of why donors were giving her funds, and that her actions were the result of stupidity and negligence rather than malice?That merits forgiveness, but not respect. A neutral character, but certainly not a good one.
>>49171295Look, buddy. Why do you want them to die in the streets you jackass?>and gave 99cents of every dollar to herself.You mean the Church? Because MT gave the money to the Church. Why do you hate the Church?>>49171338Man I didn't know Christ asked for anything to take away the pain while he was on the cross.
>>49171346>she instead opted to talk about how abortion and contraceptives were bad.Yes. They are bad. You are literally murdering a child you godless heathen.
>>49171382And I would have murdered more, if I had gotten away with it!
>>49171353>Why do you want them to die in the streets you jackass?False dichotomy.>I didn't know Christ asked for anything to take away the pain while he was on the cross.He may not have asked but Longinus did it for him anyway. Stabbed him in the side to make sure Jesus was dead before the other Romans started breaking bones.
>>49171353>Man I didn't know Christ asked for anything to take away the pain while he was on the cross.lol
>visit this thread>christcucks reveal that they LITERALLY believe the poor should die for NO REASONit all makes sense now!
>>49171353>>49171403Also, you aren't supposed to force other people to be like Jesus, you're supposed to strive to be like Jesus yourself.
>>49171403>He may not have asked but Longinus did it for him anywaySo then someone helped ease the pain before something even bad would happen.Thanks for proven my point.>>49171422>said the nu-male atheist cuckold who literally supports people dying in the streets
>>49171439>So then someone helped ease the pain before something even bad would happen.>Thanks for proven my point.The point is that ISN'T what she was doing. She was glorifying their suffering without doing a damn thing to ease the pain.
>>49171460>She was glorifying their suffering without doing a damn thing to ease the pain.Giving them food and shelter isn't easing anyone's pain?So would you rather have them be in the streets rotting with the shit?>>49171464This isn't an argument.
>>49171439No, we're arguing that someone in the position to save people should instead of watching them suffer because she gets off on it.
In a utilitarian sense, MT pulled money away from far more effective organizations in terms of feeding the poor or end-of-life care, even in terms of strict numbers. One might say that the money that was donated to MT might not have been donated otherwise, but then many of those more effective organizations were themselves Christian (if not Catholic; see Assemblies of God in India) and may have captured even a part of those donations to greater effect.
>>49171490>I was only 9 years old>I loved Mother Teresa so much, I had all the merchandise.>I pray to Mother Teresa every night before bed, thanking her for the life I’ve been given>"Mother Teresa is love" I say; “Mother Teresa is life”>My nu-male beta cuck atheist dad hears me and calls me a faggot>I know he was just jealous of my devotion for Mother Teresa>I called him a cunt>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep>I’m crying now, and my face hurts>I lay in bed and it’s really cold>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me>It’s Mother Teresa
>>49171491She literally didn't have anything to give other than food, water (not filled with shit) and a place of comfort for them.>>49171502Who cares
>>49171490>This isn't an argument.Neither is saying someone is a nu-male atheist cuckold.>So would you rather have them be in the streets rotting with the shit?There was literally no difference between them suffering and dying in the shit-filled streets and them suffering and dying in the plague-ridden hellholes she put them in. Not for the dying, anyway. The only difference was that in the latter scenario, a sadist gets called a saint and both she and the Catholic Church make bank on donations.
>>49171532>Receives millions in donations>Works in conjunction with Red Cross>Receives international attention>SH-SHE COULD ONLY GIVE FOOD AND WATER GUYS!!!!!!lol
>>49171532>Who caresYou should, if your argument is that MT was "better than nothing" if it is plausible that her doing nothing could have actually been better.
>>49171353>MT gave the money to the ChurchDonors give money thinking they are helping the poor. That money is used to buy a fancy jeweled hat for the Pope. The donors have therefore been deceived, and MT is therefore a con woman.I don't actually hate Catholics. I'm the guy arguing they're better than Protestants tenfold. Who are better than Islam a hundred fold. But taking money from people under false pretenses and spending it somewhere else is shady, and in most countries illegal.
>>49171295>requires the desires of the parties involved to be the only metric by which the sum is counted.The parties had two choices.a) die on the streets in painb) die in a hospice well fed in painThere were no other options and other desires are meaningless, because no one was ready to fulfill other desires.Option b) is not the objectively best someone could have done, but it is probably the best MT thought could be done, because she is not a perfectly rational thinker.Also please tell me how the donors thought that she did anything apart from what she actually did. There was nothing to prove that she did anything but what she did and she did not lie about it either.
>>49171532>She literally didn't have anything to give other than food, water (not filled with shit) and a place of comfort for them.That was by choice because she sure as hell had enough money to get what she needed to save people, or at the very least give them effective end of life care.
>>49169194Okay, but if there's no ultimate being, can there be any ultimate law? And if so, I'm pretty hyped to go axe murder some people- no laws can constrain me
>>49171352>You're alleging MT was ignorant of why donors were giving her fundsYes and why wouldn't she have been?I'm also alleging that she thought helping them her was was "the best she could do".>That merits forgiveness,It merits complete erasure of the claim that she used them.And with that we are back at utilitarian zero from which point on the "slightly less suffering of dying well fed in pain instead of starving, in shit and in pain" part is a positive merit making her good, and better than anyone else at that time.
>>49171565>That money is used to buy a fancy jeweled hat for the Pope.Bullshit, Popes are using the same fancy hat for decades.
>>49171552Did I stutter bitch?>>49171565>MT is therefore a con womanShe is not. She gave them food and a shelter. If you would rather have them rot next to shit, be my guess and believe it.>>49171588And it was given to the Church.Maybe if these pagans actually believed in God maybe she wouldn't of let them die. Huh.
>>49171502>MT pulled money away from far more effective organizations in terms of feeding the poor or end-of-life care,What other organizations were doing what she did?Because to my knowledge there were none. She got all this attention precisely because she cared about those other's didn't care about.Even if her care was "less than ideal".
>>49171659>Did I stutter bitch?Woah there, internet tough guy. You should go hit the gym to work off that steam!
>>49171679No because I got faggots who want to call a Saint an evil woman. And that's just immoral you godless heathen.
>>49171703Holy shit, you are a genuine, true blue cuck.
>all the privilege ITTThis thread has turned me SJW
>>49171720>cuckUh-Oh, Internet defense mode activated! I wasn't aware he was letting someone nail his wife, the intrigue grows!
>>49171720Because I'm defending an old lady who let shitskins die in relative comfort? Stupid cuckold faggot, you have no faith, I bet you came off the reddit boat.
>>49171770Both sides of the argument have been throwing around that word for hours.
>>49171778I bet Mother Teresa could bet you up, my man.
>>49171796I'm not going to India to meet an old lady.>supporting adultery
>>49171796Then she wouldn't bother calling an ambulance because suffering brings you closer to god.
>>49171851Unless it's her own suffering, then she has to get that checked out by actual doctors.
>>49171875Because she can actually afford that shit
>>49171889Only because she kept the money people gave her instead of spending it to help the poor.
>>49171919>spend it on the poor>become a martyr
>>49171382remember that periods are murder
>>49171973Periods aren't murder.
>>49171919Bitch invented Kickstarter, that should be grounds to deny anyone sainthood.
>>49171674>what she didHopefully not what she did. In any case, they could have given to any number of Dalit political organizations that were and are against the caste system, and moving forward in time there were a number of charities and development aid groups like the Jesuit societies in India, or even to the earlier-founded Indian Red Cross.
>>49172044>giving money to the Jesuits Anon that's literally giving money towards ISIS.
>>49171981if contraceptives are so are periods.
>>49172121Last time I checked, contraceptives are man made and periods is nature shit.
>>49172160oh so anything man made is sinful. what are contraceptives doing to be evil
>>49172160So you're saying that god is a baby killing abortion doctor murderer? PURGE
>>49172204It kills unborn children.
>>49172219so do periods.
>>49172214No, no I'm not.
>>49172219So do completely natural nocturnal emissions.
>>49172301And that's natural. Natural as fuck meaning it's fine.
>>49172219so do I
>>49172319Masturbation is natural too.
>>49172319so is a sheep intestine condom okay then. it's natural. how about the pull out method
>>49172342And masturbation is a sin too.
>>49172319So if we punch the pregnant women in the abdomen until they miscarry it's fine too, right? Since it's all-natural?
>>49172391>how about the pull out methodThat's Fornication.
>>49172395But you said nocturnal emissions are fine. Why are those fine because they're natural, but jacking off isn't when it's just as natural?
>>49172430Because you're wasting sperm.
>>49172418meaning what it's evil unless she gets preggers. because it's sinful for women to be anything but preganant as soon as they possibly can.
>>49172044>political organizationsthey STILL haven't managed to get rid of it anon. It wouldn't have helped those dying people much>and moving forward in timenodon't move forward in time after SHE started a trend.>earlier-founded Indian Red Crosswho were not helping out more than she was otherwise they could've used literally the same strategy to get attention.>>49172214...Abortion is ending an already developing life, which cannot be justified except if an already established life is in danger.Any contraceptives and arguably even the morning after pill end something that is not yet developing into a new organism, because that only really starts when the egg is fertilized and getting nutrients to develop from the mother.
>>49172449You're also wasting sperm if you DON'T jack off, because then you're going to end up with nocturnal emissions.
>>49172453No. It's sinful for a woman to be pregnant without a husband.Chasity is the only thing that is good.
>>49172485...so if the woman isn't pregnant because the not-husband pulled out, why is that bad again?
>>49172485lol yeah but if you're married and using the pull out method you're killing children the same way that contraceptives do. it's like like you put on a condom then impale the child. it prevents the birth then the egg is removed from the body using the period. if you're having sex with your partner but not having children that's sinful. and if we used this method of thinking then we'd not be in touch with our bodies at all and be mindless christdrones with shit art. or be so over populated that we have to kill each other off every few seconds. just because you're a pathetic virgin doesn't make that the moral state to be.
>>49172552Because she's having sex! Having sex without a husband or a wife is wrong! That's fornication.
>>49172574...but why is fornication wrong? If it makes people happier and nobody less happy, why is it bad?
>>49172563>just because you're a pathetic virgin doesn't make that the moral state to be.>literally not understanding domga
>>49172574what is they're married retard. the moral issue with this is that she's not getting preggers. and if you believe this you're retarded. i'm glad you won't be contributing to the genetic code.
>>49172472>they STILL haven't managed to get rid of it anon. It wouldn't have helped those dying people muchMaybe things would be different if people gave money towards ending a condition instead if glorifying and perpetuating it.> no>don't move forward in time after SHE started a trend.Why not? You first have to make and defend the claim that she was responsible for those future organizations, then make a case for why you shouldn't give money to more effective options as they become available.> who were not helping out more than she was otherwise they could've used literally the same strategy to get attention.I don't think the Red Cross really digs the whole "let people wallow in suffering until they die beautifully" deal.
>>49172594>but why is fornication wrong?Because sex is a sanctity of marriage.>>49172601>*dogma
>>49172601i understand that it doesn't make any logical sense. as do you because you've given up on trying to talk about the points related so you can hide behind christ.
>>49172622But why is sex a sanctity of marriage?And if so, why can't married people fornicate?
>>49172613>what is they're married retardIt's still fornication because sex outside of having children is wrong.>i'm glad you won't be contributing to the genetic codePot and kettle you faglord.
>>49172639If all you're gonna do is shitpost why should I listen to you?>>49172648Because it's a union.If they're doing it just for pleasure then it's a sin.
>>49172649Do the sterile sin every time they do the deal, or do they get a free pass?
>>49172649again the only moral way to have sex is to get her preggers because gawd said so. genius. i'm married and having sex right now, enjoy sucking god's dick you senseless piece of shit.
>>49172668I have a union at my work, too. Does that mean it's a sin for me to work with people outside of my job for pleasure?Why is pleasure a sin?
>>49172707>i'm married I don't believe you.
>>49172621>You first have to make and defend the claim that she was responsible for those future organizations,...Literally no other organizations like that existed before her.This means that either the others got the idea from her or they later independently had the same thought.The first option is statistically more likely.>why you shouldn't give money to organizations as they became availableBecause they have not proven themselves yet.You probably should give money to them, but if you have limited money who are you going to pick? Someone who provides some betterment but not much but it's actually happening, or someone who promises to make everything a lot better.>red crossShe didn't get attention because she let people die, she got attention for being compassionate and caring about those people others did not care about.If the red cross cared about those people prior to this, she wouldn't have gotten the attention, the red cross would have.>>49172668>Because it's a union.>If they're doing it just for pleasure then it's a sin.Literally zero arguments for this except a prudish victorian and medieval interpretation of the bible made by a particular group of christians who despised all earthly pleasures.
>>49172735Read the catechism.
>>49172729that's nice dear. doesn't change that you think feeling good is sinful. which explains why you think it's helpful to provide people a bench to die on when you could afford to actually help them.
>>49172785So they can suffer even more afterwards? What the hell is wrong with you? Why do you wish for a circle in this situation?
>>49172735Pretty sure political and social organizations, hospitals and obviously the Red Cross, a humanitarian organization that would be the more proximal source of inspiration if it was necessary, trrating dalits existed before Mother Teresa. They just didn't get the spotlight because they didn't have that sexy suffering is beautiful in the eyes if Christ shtick.
>>49172830you don't know what their life can hold, they don't have to stay there. they could have been the first president of india. but instead they came in with a flu, and died of mezzles and super aids.
>>49172889>you don't know what their life can holdYes I do. I fucking know that because I know what that there culture believes in castes. >they could have been the first president of indiaOh no they wouldn't. A man of low caste would never be of higher caste you stupid normalfag.
>>49172764>Read the catechism.the fuck is that.and why is it not the bible that you are reading?>>49172847>They just didn't get the spotlight because they didn't have that sexy suffering is beautiful in the eyes if Christ shtick.nope.> trrating dalits existed before Mother Teresa. also nope, not on this scale
>>49172918yeah their culture, it's a belief system which is subject to change. and if jesus taught us anything it's that one person can change the world.
>>49172919>and why is it not the bible that you are reading?Bible + Catechism means you get the official doctrine.
>>49172953>it's a belief system which is subject to changeThat shit isn't going to change. And if she would try to push it, she would be a martyr.
>>49172955>+ Catechismwhy would i need that?>doctrinewhy would i need that?With this attitude, anyone could've taken christianity, just added a bunch of nonsense and founded a religion around it, and their doctrine would be totally valid.cough-muslims-cough
>>49172970and that's a goal of your faith. it would strengthen the cause, and she doesn't need to over rule it. but use her funding the help the people instead of the church.
>>49173013>why would i need that?Because you're suppose to have it.>cough-muslims-coughYou mean a warlord who wanted to be immortalized forever and ever?
I'm still stuck on the claim that pleasure is a sin.And suffering is the thing that brings us closer to Jesus, rather than healing and improving each other? Why does god want us to hurt and not help each other?
>>49173076Because Christ (our lord and savior) died on the cross. That shit is painful.
>>49173036>Because you're suppose to have it.Who gives a shit about what you think though.You're a mortal and you're fallible.>warlordkindaMy point is, anything added to any holy scripture is bullshit.
>>49173105That is not an argument as to why we should have it.Jesus never said be like me in exactly every way.Also, you'd need to lift the sins of mankind with your suffering if you really wanted to be like him, and you don't do that, so suffering is pointless.
>>49173105But didn't he die and suffer for us so that we wouldn't have to? Wouldn't striving to emulate that be helping others regardless of whether you suffer or not, rather than just suffering more?I mean, I can go drop a desk on my foot, but is that suffering still the same as suffering by pushing them out of the way of a falling desk and taking it on my foot?And that still doesn't say why we can't have pleasure, was Jesus never pleased at all, and didn't want others to have it?
>>49173118>My point is, anything added to any holy scripture is bullshit.Nothing is being added you idiot. It's like another splat book.>>49173140>suffering is pointlessBuilds character.>>49173188>And that still doesn't say why we can't have pleasureBecause it's idle hands doing idle shit. When you could be reading and doing shit, you're acting like a goddamn normalfag and trying to shill your shit in vain so you can look good.
>>49169194>No Religion>He doesn't realize that 100% of all successful cultures, all of the civilizations we live in is the result of Religion, and it's ancient teachings are the Basis of Law and Morality, whether he admits it or not.>Doesn't realize that without creation myths/stories to guide people, and teach them how to act, we would probably still be in the Stone Age, or worse, hitting each other with rocks.
>>49173140you're right you shouldn't try and be like jesus at all, what was i thinking...it's not like we're talking about one exalted by the church and jesus. a saint or anything.
>>49173256It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards
>>49173238Dang, so this whole heaven deal means we need to spend our every waking moment helping others and never stopping for ourselves?I mean, I know it gets you an eternity in paradise, but that's pretty taxing mentally, physically, emotionally...But hey, forsaking our own health for helping others is the only way in. So I guess if I ever start a hospice service and bless hundreds of souls dying of the cold, I should keep doing it 'til I bite the dust instead of resting and getting medical help for myself.
Daily reminder that her hospices are shitty because she wanted it that way, and all that extra money has vanished into thin air.
>>49173331Bitch you're taking it to the logical extremes here.It's not okay to sin, but it's okay if you fuck up because you can always ask for forgiveness
>>49173387Sounds good, but I should probably get to hopping off 4chan, selling this computer, quitting my college courses and job, and get to buying beans for the homeless bros downtown and giving the good gospel. I hope I can manage not eating for the next few weeks 'til I die of starvation, so I can ensure I spend all of my time since redemption being holy, and get to god's side sooner.
>>49173430No, that's wrong you sick fuck.
>>49173387how much forgiveness do you get. only if you're truely sorry. how sorry are you about eating meat on fridays and wearing mixed fabric garments. do you have to be sorry for each time then you get in heaven. and if so then why does it matter if we sin at all if we can just do whatever we want as long as we say sorry.
>>49173460>and if so then why does it matter if we sin at all if we can just do whatever we want as long as we say sorry.Because you actually gotta work towards being forgiven. Faith plus work.
>>49173491>Faith plus workPapists.
>>49173491oh i c. so how much work do you need to do to redeem you if you wear a mixed fabric shirt. what's the measurement here, because if you can be a saint by opening a house and letting people die in it. i think i'm going to be fine.
>>49173507>lel I can just sin and then ask God for forgivenessprotestcuck.>>49173526I don't know, go ask a priest.
>>49173526and if what you need to do is give them food and water then i will be excited to hear of all the prison wardens being given their sainthood.
>>49173550how do you plan on getting into heaven then. you say you're a good person but do you know. how many good points versus how many bad points. they're racking up pretty fast. remember altering your body in anyway is a sin, which means if you ever break your hip and get a replacement you're going to hell.
>>49173605>which means if you ever break your hip and get a replacement you're going to hellThen I can ask for forgiveness then.
>>49173459Oh, good thing I checked the thread before I left! What did I do wrong about it? Do I need to suffer extra during the process in order to better align myself with christ? Like, do all of that but with nails in my hands?Oh, I got it! Right before I pass out I'll just kill myself. That gets you to hell, right? Eternal suffering? And since suffering is christlike, that's infinite holiness.Lucifer must be one righteous guy.
>>49173630>What did I do wrong about it? Because you gotta live life.
>>49173238>It's like another splat book.it's written by different people about different things.it's like a 3rd party supplement>builds character
>>49173647Shit, guess them babies that die soon after being born are SHIT OUTTA LUCK.
>>49173626doesn't work you need to work and ask remember. if your points don't rack up all the forgiveness won't save you. sorry dems the breaks.
>>49173270>you're right you shouldn't try and be like jesus at allnot what i said.
>>49173647What does that constitute again? Because you said I need to spend all of my time helping people. What's the budget for eating and sleeping? And where do I get money for food when I have no job because I'm helping?
>>49173550>I don't trust in Jesus' power to truly save me by forgiveness alone!Catholics, everyone.
>>49173694you said that he doesn't want you to be exactly like him. so you can only copy a certain amount of traits, you can't have too many, but you still have to be like him a certain amount or your not good enough to suck god's cock.
>>49173674>it's like a 3rd party supplementYeah, but it's 3rd party supplement that surpasses the source somewhat.>>49173716Jesus died on the cross.And let the belief that sin can be forgiven to happen.To do jackshit and just pray to God isn't gonna do shit.
>>49173757Sounds to me like you're letting your FAITH in Christ and His salvation lapse.
>>49173757oh hey mother theresa what'd you do again...
>>49173728i said he never said to be exactly like himthat has no influence on what you should or should not try to dobut you should not claim that you HAVE to copy EVERYTHING he doesi also said that even if you tried you suffering would not be copying jesus because jesus didn't suffer pointlessly.>>49173757>Yeah, but it's 3rd party supplement that surpasses the source somewhat.AAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAHHAhahAHAHAHHAHAHAHAhahfuck off
>>49173785My faith is in Christ.And I want to SHOW my work to God the Father.
>>49173843but shit posting on the internet. good job.
>>49163750This. She perverted the teachings of Christ. If you disagree you are factually wrong.
>>49173843There's a difference between wanting to SHOW your works and claiming it is NECESSARY for His forgiveness. The latter means that you do not TRULY BELIEVE in His love and grace to forgive based on faith alone.
>>49173865I'm not shitposting, I'm showing people the light of God.>>49173868>following new atheists shit
>>49173785>faithfagPaul the false apostle go and stay gone. Paul is not Jesus. Faith and deed go hand in hand.
>>49173886Bean anon here, last post before I give my phone to this pawn shop guy for hobo chow money. You are truly a wise soul, to have known that searching for lost souls on /tg/, the traditional games board on 4chan.org, was the best way to show the light of god tonight. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
>>49173879But it is NECESSARY to SHOW my work to Him because I want Him to know that I've done my darnest to show that I love Him.
>>49173835and providing help and putting effort into bettering the living conditions of people isn't worth suffering for. theresa is killing people through neglience and to my understanding sloth is a sin. unless it's because she believes that her living is worth more than them which is pride.they arrested a doctor for assisting suicide in america. what would they do to a place offering care for the sickly and providing this as a service on their grounds.
>>49173928that's important because if you don't love god more than your family you're not good enough to get into heaven. it's in the bible so it must be true.
>>49173926No don't sell your phone you dumbass.
>>49173932>theresa is killing people through negliencenokilling through negligience impies that they were hers to help in the first place.she voluntarily helped some people in a way she thought was the best possible she could doand you are demonizing her for not helping enoughwhile no one else was helping AT ALL
>>49173958Pawn shop owner here, what the fuck did you tell this guy, he just bought a hammer, pack of nails, and a rosary for his anime doll collection
>>49173999Tell him you're gonna give him the phone again.
>>49173928What this sounds like to me is someone BOASTING about his piety in the street, but in his HEART he falters in FAITH, LOVE, and TRUST in Jesus Christ to save us.
>>49174044Jesus Christ saved us and now it's in my hands and the hands of others to keep on the path to go to heaven.
>>49173970there are other organizations that provide medical care. she used them to help herself. she had the money to do that and was in the area. you act like she was in a stattic world where she couldn't reach out but she could. she payed god men to force religion down peoples throats around the world, instead of using the money to actually help people in the physical world.she's not a demon, but she's not a good person. by the way letting someone die of a cureable diseases because, eh not worth it. is negligence.
>>49174058And here you make yourself clear. To you, it is not Jesus Christ who saves, but man!
>>49174071>you act like she was in a stattic world where she couldn't reach out but she could.but she couldn't.>is negligence.no if it's not your DUTY to help them
>>49174082Jesus Christ opened the door, saying everyone is saved. It's up to YOU to work towards it.
>>49174082oh so what the fuck is he good for. because if it's for an example then i must say mother theresa isn't following it well.
>>49174105she could, she got to america just fine.she made it her duty, that's how people know her. are you trying to claim to mother theresa didn't help people.
>>49174146>she could, she got to america just fine.she couldn't get 30000 people to america nor magically turn indian society around to accept the poor recieving any sort of good medical care.>>49174146>are you trying to claim to mother theresa didn't help peoplei'm trying to claim that she didn't medically help them and never took that as her duty
>>49174109And I do, by FAITH in Him and by not mistaking my own deeds as comparable to His, nor believing that works SUBSTITUTE for His GRACE and LOVE.
>>49174216Works means you give a shit you nerd.
>>49174174you don't think that a society that will kill foreign missionares for healing the sick are ones that religion shouldn't use it's massive power to change. if the government killed her for that they'd have to deal with a problem they couldn't handle, she'd be a matyr for the church to get behind.
>>49174297>if the government killed her for thatnot the government.some random lynchmobor they'd simply ransack the hospital.
>The antichrist appears at the apocalypse. I don't think that has started yet but maybe it has. Is there a charismatic influential leader who the entire world is kneeling before yet, retending to offer gifts only God can?Go read the actual book of Revelations and search for the word "antichrist" even ONCE in all of Revelations. It doesn't appear.Confused? Yeah, there is no THE ANTICHRIST mentioned in Revelations, there is only the WHORE, the BEAST, and the HEADS OF THE BEAST. One of the heads of the Beast is almost killed, and the 2nd head of the Beast then follows after and forces everyone to worship the head that was almost killed, and receive the MARK OF THE BEAST.Whore = Vatican (it is explained that she is a city on seven hills, who fornicates with all the leaders of the world)Beast = Catholic Church (many heads)Head of the Beast = PopeNow the Pope is certainly a type of antichrist, but anyone who preaches something other than the Jesus Christ of the Bible is an antichrist, or, literally, "another Christ", or "another salvation".There's also mention of a "man of sin" in other books:2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; That is most likely the Head of the Beast, one of the Popes who is going to be assassinated, but seem to be revived and ignite a new world religion around himself.
>>49174260Does not the Lord say that when giving alms your left hand should not know what the right does? Do you not trust in Him to know that you are faithful and love Him without loudly professing your works?
This thread is now 100% batshit. I love it.
>>49174468No I trust him, and I want to show him that I trust him.
>all this talk of "but if she did more she'd have been killed" A Godly man does not let the fear of evil men rule over him; he does all he can for what is right in the eyes of God, and trusts in God his life, or death. True Martyrdom is the greatest, most praiseworthy act a human can achieve. >>49174174>never took that as her dutyIt is the inborn duty of all humanity to help his brother in his time of need. If you see a man who is sick, it is your duty to help make him well; if you see a man who is hungry, it is your duty to break your bread with him. To abandon this is a sin to be repented.
Jesus fuck it's like AMDG came up from the dark depths of old /r9k/ and leapt over to here.
>>49174752So the street shitters should be allowed to die in the street?
>>49174815Troll in a new way
>>49174752>It is the inborn duty of all humanity to help his brother in his time of need.okay but then literally every single person alive back then was worse than MT because they didn't fulfill their duty as much as hershe at least gave them food others gave nothing.
>>49174815No. You should do everything you can to get them out of the street and improve their living conditions. If that puts a target on your back, so be it. It is better to die doing the work of the Lord with your whole heart than to live by half-measures.
>>49174864That others were worse does not absolve you of your failings. Your judgement is by your own actions alone; those others will themselves be judged in turn.
>>49174895So you're saying that it's okay for people of a lower caste to die more violently.
>>49171273>she took in people into her hospice that could have been treated at a hospitalBy whom? No one would even have looked at them otherwise, can you understand how horrible India was and still is?
>>49174926that is false though.if someone did the most good possible, they were the best.and i doubt that she knew of any way she could have done betterand in the end she ended up causing a slight bit of good, even if it wasn't as much as would have been possible had she had a different mindsetso from HER point of view she did everything rightand from a NEUTRAL point of view she did slightly better than nothing.this means she is overall a person to be rated GOOD.
>>49174968Nice strawman. No part of my post implied anything of the sort, and can be easily seen by the use of "you" and "they" to differentiate subjects.
>>49175080I'm only saying what the majority of the people support.
>>49175000Godliness is not utilitarian. You either strive for the ideal solution or you have failed. Compromise is the Devil's favorite tool.Failure can be forgiven, of course, if it is recognized as such and repented. But to cling to it because it's "better than nothing" is sinful. You aren't aiming for "better than nothing". You're aiming for perfection under God's will, and asking for forgiveness when you don't make it all the way. The difference is to never stop striving.
>>49175167none of what you said made senseshe was striving for that perfection and she believed she was achieving just thatthe fact that we know she didn't is due to a different viewpoint.and from a strictly utilitarian viewpoint she has achieved more than nothingso that is goodshe was doing what she thought was the bestand she ended up going what we think is better than nothing.in other words you have no reason, neither religious nor utilitarian to dislike her.
>>49175142You aren't talking to the majority, you're talking to me. If you reply to my post then you should be addressing my points. If you want to address other people's points, reply to them instead.
>>49175167Anon, name one person who is aiming for perfection under god's will. You're posting on a vietnamese tapestry website. Even if you acknowledge that form of time burning and repent for it, if you did it again, would you not have failed by knowingly pursuing something other than god's perfection?Why isn't the god you believe in more loving, anon?
>>49175240And to me, I'm seeing the majority. The majority are saying she's an evil woman who didn't make a hospital but instead made a hospice, are you saying she's an evil person? Because I believe she's a good person who did her best in a godless place called India.
>>49175229>she was doing what she thought was the bestWhat she thought was wrong by the teaching of Christ. Specifically, that she thought that what she was doing was the best thing possible was wrong. Helping someone who can't be saved is good, yes, but it is better to save all you can. If you save someone and then then become sick again, you treat them again. Further, you work to solve whatever problem is making them sick. If the Caste system is causing these people to fall into filth again, then destroy the Caste system.Theresa idolized the last and least facet of aiding the sick, and that is not Christian.
>>49175246Personally I'm not Christian. I believe a prime mover of some kind likely exists, but I feel no compulsion to worship such a being based on the state the life on earth.What I am is someone who spent a lot of time debating religion in small group after church and has too much free time on a Sunday night.
>>49175382>Specifically, that she thought that what she was doing was the best thing possible was wrongprove it.You can not know that she knew those things you said afterwards.>and that is not christiani agree
>>49175382>you work to solve whatever problem is making them sick. If the Caste system is causing these people to fall into filth again, then destroy the Caste system.So you are saying that she was evil because she didn't start a major political, religious and cultural revolution that would certainly be a bloodbath, is that correct?
>>49175509Deus vult, isn't that what you little shits always cry about?
>>49175509So instead you would shy away and let evil prevail? You are using the name of God to allow evil acts continue unabated.
>>49175720No, you are asking for more suffering to be done to those defenseless and would be slaughtered.
>>49175509I'm not necessarily saying she was evil; I'm saying she was no Saint.