Nyaaa! I'm a female martial! Let me in your party, boys, I'm just as good as ANY musclebound male warrior! With my feminine swordfighting style and peerless spirit, I'll definitely be an asset to the party and won't ever get GREENED! Pick me, I'm ready for ADVENTURE!
Sure, the RP could always use more catgirls. And given that we're playing a properly designed system your gender or class will let you contribute to the game in a meaningful, mechanical sense just fine.
Think about what thread you just created, OP.
Do you have references?
>>51561395Nyo, but the bar I used to work at said I was the cheerfulest and I never spilled a drink! That's pretty good for this level...right?
>>51561318>GREENEDI don't play video games, what does this mean
>>51561370By the Emperor, those abs. I want her to protect me.
>>51561452Raped by orcs probablyGiven how hard core cats are I'd be afraid of a cat girl
>>51561318But we're playing a modern spy campaign..
>>51561378He knows what he created. It's one of the most basic bait thread formulas on /tg/. Guaranteed replies.
If a man can sit at my table and say "nyaa", he's neckbear enough to stay and play. I'll take it.
>>51561452Nobody tell him, let him discover it on his own.
>>51561318Sorry, we don't play Shitfinder.
>>51561666Fuck off Satan, 5e needs catgirls too.
>>51561318You know what causes threads like this? Dexfags. Dexfags are what cause threads like this. Remove scimitar.
Get this weeb shit out of my face. We're playing WoW d20.
>>51561318>Nyaaa!Alright, you can join.
>>51561318*Unzips dick and rolls to grapple*
>>51561493>GM suddenly tacks on d20 fantasy elements
>>51561461Forget the abs, look at them thighs. I bet she could crush bags of chestnuts between those.
>>51561493Would you ever suspect OP's character of being a highly trained intelligence operative?
>>51561776You sound upset, STRfag.
>>51562121I too love me some 4e!
>>51562165Rolling the die off the table counts as an automatic critical failure on any attack roll.>You get caught in your own zipper, take 1d4 slashing damage and 3d6 pride damage
>>51562217Shit, your right
300 replies incoming
>>51562247At least there is no weebshit psuedo-furries.
>>51562121That's nothing to be proud of for multiple reasons
>>51562247>someone remembers 3eaboos v 4rries
>>51562242You do understand though that IRL he'd just grab her and trow to the ground?
>>51562217It's genius. Report to HQ immediately.
>>51562324That bug looks dressed up nicely.Therefore it's a feature.
>>51562291Better balanced than Shitfinder.
>>51562372Why aren't race levels automatic after so many character levels?
>>51562372Okay faggot calm down
>>51562372Do you use the semi-official space goat Draenei race?
>>51562372That's a pretty low bar, and I'm only assuming it's true because I don't care to look myself
>>51562395Think of it as embracing and embodying the culture and heritage of a race. A night elf engineer would never take night elf levels.>>51562398Oh no, here comes the tin men of the Skeletor come to post pics at me. Let me help you homos out.>>51562453Every official WoW race is allowed. Except Virmen. Fuck you.>>51562470WoW d20 attempts to make warriors and such good.
>>51562197>You suddenly find yourselves before a giant GATE
>>51561493Fire support, nya!
>>51561318Don't use a cutie from Granblue for a trashy post like this.
Alright so this is a troll thread. Can we try to maybe twist it into an intelligent discussion? Here's a topic Ive wanted to make a thread about for a while but never have because of the probability that it would devolve into what this thead is already intended to be, but it can't hurt to throw it in now.I've always been annoyed by males and females being stated the same in rpgs. Treating the genders the same doesn't open up more possibilities for narrative, it destroys them. In a game that is entirely about telling a story, why would you invalidate one of the most important pieces of human nature and character variety? On that note, this obviously does not at all apply to tgs entirely about tactical gameplay.Sure you can still treat men and women differently in roleplay and worldbuilding, and only apply the magical equality to mechanics, but then I wonder why we have mechanics at all if not to partially automate and add randomness and versimility to the art of storytelling. Mechanics optimally need to be built to facilitate the kind of stories it aims to tell through its natural processes, and this means having the genders treated as seperate things is desirable.In my opinion anyway.So if you are resolved to stat genders differently, with balance being a consideration but not a law, how would you do it? I'm not asking about DnD stats or any stats in particular, incent stats if you need to to make your point, I'm just interested in what how the stats of men and women vary to push stories to naturally unfold in ways which are allready intuitively archetypal to us, so that they can then be meaningfully suberted or otherwise interacted with.
>>51561318Why do people even make such trash threads?Why would muscles ever matter in a magical setting where a 12 year old girl could just wear an ogre's strength belt and be instantly much stronger than professional weightlifter who trained his entire life?
>>51563044>Why do people even make such trash threads?Because anons keep replying. Remember that you can always report
>>51561318What is the catgirl in question is actually a catgirl (male)?
>>51561318>>51561443Do you have human ears in addition to the animal ones?If yes, go away four eared freak.If not, lift your hair up and show me the side of your head.
>>51561461>Protected by a catgirl instead of superior human
>>51563111It's just hair, they are no blank space of bald flesh where the ears should be for a human. Why do you think they all keep long hair ? More easy when they want to pass for human.
>>51562971>Tired of troll thread>Posts argument for difference in stats for different sexesRiiiight.
>>51563238Cat ears actually attach at the side of the head, rather than on top. The inner ear is in the same place, roughly, as human ears.I got curious after discovering catgirls, and had a relatively docile cat handy to check ears on.
>>51562971The problem is that men and women aren't balanced by nature. Men are noticeably superior to women in many ways when it comes to adventuring, and women have essentially nothing to compensate for it.Women are more flexible, and some studies suggest they have slightly better manual dexterity (although the study I saw was based on sowing skill, so I suspect a certain bias...) and the idea that women have a higher pain treshold is a myth. If it's a human-only game, I suppose you could give them higher Charisma, to represent the Women are Wonderful effect, but that sort of thing is highly situational - there are plenty of social situations where it's better to be a man.I suppose if you have a really assymetrical system, you could give men a boost to strength, speed, toughness and all of that crap, and women a boost to stealth (because they're smaller and more flexible), reduced aggro because they're less threatening, and possibly a boost to sense motive, representing the (highly suspect) notion that women are more empathetic.If you did this right, women would have a significant advantage when playing classes such as rogues and wizards, being able to sneak better and avoid being targeted by enemies, while the men get in close and personal and protect their adventuring waifus.
>>51563270But that look a bit weird no ? Unless the ear are really huge and start on the side to end at the top or something like that.About this, how are fox ears ? For the Kitsune.
>>51562971Girls get -4 str, but a bonus to seduction rolls against men.Although, on a serious note, if we wanted to do what you're talking about, women would indeed get a base penalty to strength and whatever determines hit points, a bonus to perception, dexterity and whatever determines how fast they heal and restore stamina, and maybe some wisdom/spirit/whatever. Men get strength, hp, endurance, intelligence. Also realistically men should be allowed to make more serious changes in their base stats, i.e. take a large bonus in one stat for an equal penalty in another, while women are closer to the average. Socially women are better at persuasion and seduction especially when interacting with men, and men are better at threats. All that could be overridden for a certain character, like if a particular woman is big and trained, she's stronger than an average man, and this also changes her bonuses/penalties in social interactions accordingly, if she has scars and has a reputation of being a ruthless bandit, her threats will be much more effective than her seduction (unless someone's into that). And finally skills matter a lot more than attributes.
>>51561661>>51561492Oh, right.I thought it was a MMO term like "toon" or whatever.
>>51563407>All that could be overridden for a certain characterI don't think that's reasonable. If a woman got as scary/strong/tough as she could, a man who did the same would still be scarier/stronger/tougher, unless he was born a pitiful runt.
>>51562971+2 strength to men and that's it, that's the only statifiable bonus.
>>51563401Whenever I do animal-people in my settings, I always fluff animal ears starting at the same place human ears would start.And yes, their ears would be huge, compare the ratio of a cat head to a cat ear and translate that to human-size. Fox ears would be even bigger.On the other hand you could always base your cat girls on big cats (tiger, leopard, etc.), their ears are proportionally smaller.
>>51563251I think I was pretty open about that. And just because a subject is inflammatory doesnt mean its meritless>>51563281And>>51563407Are already two replies of good quality.So far it seems that a system which wants to do this would need a robust social system, which is fine as my proposition that genders be stated differently did assume a rather character driven approach to tgs. No one is going to argue that men are going to be highly unbalenced relative to men in a game entirely about fighting; this discussion is mostly about what kinds of things a game would need to make storytelling with gender as a meaningful element satisfying.
>>51563401Not really; the ears aren't symmetrical. One side attaches to the top of the head, and the other below the ear canal.I don't have a fox around to check, but I'd assume they'd be the same. An ear is an ear.Of course, I sadly can't repeat the feline observations. The docile cat in question is long dead now, having lived a long, fulfilling life of being a cat.
>>51563576There's some game about viking-era Norse homesteading that has character sex play a big role in it. I can't remember what it's called. Fate of the Norns, maybe?
>>51563576>relative to menRelative to women
>>51563401>>51563527I think their ears would be bigger but not in the same proportion as the original animal.Some things need to be a specific size to work effectively, like eyes, which don't vary as much as body size in mammals
>>51563407>>51562971>>51563281I think the thing is determine how we see a character, and what the basic stats represent.In a multi-race setting, at least for me, the stats bonus/malus represent the difference betwen the different species, who should be much more great than betwen to individual of different gender in the same species.You should also take in account that basic stat's should represent the average potential of a species. If you start to take account the gender, you should also take in account the physical difference in the different human ethnies. For example a Scandinavian, who's average size is more important than the one of a Tibetan should be more strong. Finally, stats should represent a individual. It would be stupid to give a strengh malus to a female gladiator that have been train since childhood and a bonus to the male mage who skip legs, arm and abs day, or to be honest every day.And that's only for the human. Sexual dimorphism vary between species; maybe the Dwarf female will not get malus in "Toughness" cause Dwarf female are just as tough as male in this setting, who know.
>>51563518I'd give women +2 dex for game balance purposes, but it's not really realistic.But fuck realism
>>51562212Her arms are fucking ripped too. She must be a daughter of Aisha Clanclan or something
>>51563692>who should be much more great than betwen to individual of different gender in the same species.This isn't necessarily true. >It would be stupid to give a strengh malus to a female gladiator that have been train since childhood and a bonus to the male mage who skip legs, arm and abs day, or to be honest every day.The man has a "racial" bonus to his basic strength, and the woman has a penalty. The woman still has a higher total strength stat than the man in this scenario, because she has invested heavily in strength, but their potential is and always was different.But you make some good points, which pretty much make up the reason I don't bother with stat differences in fantasy games (or any games, honestly).
>>51563692Actually my own system is a science fantasy where humans are one a few races, but are the only race with sexual reproduction. Other races include a psuedo-asexual (first birth is from a slow breeding non-humanoid broodthing, can reprudice asexually afterwords) alien which is highly prone to mutation (the number of births since the firstbirth), so it has a plethora of subraces. The other is mechanical, so litterally build-a-subspecies.I thought it would be cool to have the human "subraces" just be genders, since gender is an important part of their identity relative to other races (and also a few results of pantrophy and desiner gene therapy). So thats part of how I got on this bend.
>>51563463Well, maybe that's reasonable, but since we're talking about a game where every character, no matter where they start, will end up with superhuman abilities, I think it's more important to give players more options to make characters that are interesting and outstanding in their own way.Also, I should add that this all was written with medieval fantasy humans in mind, since it may be different for different species and cultures.>>51563692>at least for me, the stats bonus/malus represent the difference betwen the different species, who should be much more great than betwen to individual of different gender in the same species.It depends. Like, you could write a race where males are super large and tough and females are much smaller, faster and more nimble, and a race that is rather close to humans, so the difference between tham and humans isn't so big.
>>51563830>This isn't necessarily true. The thing is, carac stat's are they are use in most game have limit.You can choose to give bonus like for example +2 to strengh to male human; let's say for example the Orcs, who, regardless of gender are stronger than human, have a racial bonus of +2 and the male have a other +2. Female orc would be as strong as a human ? I know it differ with the setting, but a regular female orc should be stronger than a regular male human.I don't know if my point is clear.
>>51561378What about what post you just created, faggot.
>>51563914then maybe the gender bonus should be 1 instead of 2
>>51562971Well for starters you have your terms wrong.The word gender refers to ones assumed sex within the confides of the mind, and was coined by a sudo-scientest who sure loved to fuck up little kids.Ones sex, on the other hand, is ones bodily makeup that leads to the individual being classified as a male or female, based on genitalia and hormones.If offering stats based on physical attributes, most would assume that males would have benefits to their strength and endurance, whilst females might have benefits to thier charisma and dexterity.
>>51562520oh my fucking god nonononononononononojust when i thought anime was a salvageable mediumjust when i thought we'd buried the memory of uninteresting generic fantasy meets stupid nationalist masturbation meets stupid otaku bullshitNONPNONNOLKDFJVKDHF
>>51563971Yeah but what I mean is that maybe to introduce more subtile difference in the carac, a new system would be needed.Same for the "ethnies" problem I talk about in my first post. How did you introduce the fact that the Scandinavian guy, by his size and more imposant physic have better basic stat than the tibetan/asian ?
>>51561318HEEEEEEEEEEEELLOEYE-YAM-HERETWO DYS-KUSS....DIS........ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDITIONTO OUR PAR-TEEHELLO
>>51563914>I know it differ with the settingExacly, you just made a setting where an average female orc is as strong as an average female human. Nothing wrong with such a setting, but if you want a different one then make it so.
>>51564007>The word gender refers to ones assumed sex within the confides of the mind, and was coined by a sudo-scientest who sure loved to fuck up little kids.I do not believe you. The word 'gender' has been around for a while.
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>>51564066Well he's right that it refers to a social role that may or may not correspond with the biological sex. By the way, if we write a race with a third gender, the third gender there may have physical attributes bonuses/penalties of their biological sex, but other social modifiers.
>>51564066Yes but it has been linked to sex for most of its existence (when talking about human beings). He's not entirely wrong.
>>51564066Around 60 years I thinkI didn't believe it either. But a friend of mine went on a tangent about gender politics so we ended up looking the words origins. I don't have time right now but if you search for difference between sex and gender you might start on the same path of information we went down.
>>51564066I had assumed gender was synonymous with sex pre-sjw too, but after reading his post I looked it up and apparently it originally only refered to the male/female conjuration of a word, and then in the mid 1900s was extended to conceptual sex as opposed to physical sex.Learned something new
>>51561318Things like this make me always think cat-people sound like 1920s gangsters. >Nyah, see?
>>51563044>Why would muscles ever matter in a magical setting where a 12 year old girl could just wear an ogre's strength belt and be instantly much stronger than professional weightlifter who trained his entire life?Because tight abs, defined arms and powerful thighs are aethetic as fuck and probably feel nice too.>>51563139This, on the other hand, looks weird as fuck. Not only are those abs accompanied by the fakest tits I've ever seen and skinny arms/legs, but she looks so out of proportion I can barely believe this is a real person.
>>51564208Why didn't you post a real person then?
>>51564283Because 9/10 times they're instagram sluts and they tend to disappoint on the whole "being actually strong" front.
>>51564208>>Why would muscles ever matter in a magical setting where a 12 year old girl could just wear an ogre's strength belt and be instantly much stronger than professional weightlifter who trained his entire life?I always wanted to do this as a partywide joke.>Shortstack fighter with magic boosts to become a five-nothing charging pain train with subtle armor and a staff enchanted to weigh some absurd amount>Devotee of slightly suspect cults, too many knives but an excellent surgeon and a gifted divine channeller>Wizard works out while prepping spells, has a chin you could crack cocoanuts on and is technically a knight by birth, wears robes glamered to look like armor to sell the deal>Charlatan priest is an excellent social manipulator, poisoner, and improvisationalist, has to be picked up and shaken upside down for everyone in the party to get their share
>>51563044Why did you post a dragon lesbian? Take that shit to /u/.
>>51562971>>51563281>le reddit spacing>>>/trash/
>>51564447>Writting to be more easy to read>"Muuuh reddit"
>>51563064>reporting threads>>>/qa/Bitching about threads you don't like that don't explicitly break the rules is cancer. Make a better thread instead or change the subject. I, for one, would love to talk about the consequences of CRISPR on the army of the future.
>>51564469The biggest sign of a redditor is responding to the bait of being called a redditor.
>>51564496Stop being so triggered over nothing.
>>51561318What a shitpost
>>51564297>they tend to disappoint on the whole "being actually strong" frontDo you value aesthetics or actual strength?
>>51564512And the best sign of autism is shitposting.
>>51563707>fuck realismAh, we have a feminist with us today, I see.
>>51564622Perhaps he was saying gameplay trumps realism when it comes to tgs? I think that is a generally respected opinion.Personally I think if that is your approach than you should just stick with no sex stat difference. Such a bland difference doesnt seem worth it.DnD stats in general make this nearly impossible, which is why most of the replies have talked about vague areas to advantage women in.
>>51562354>IRL>relevant to pnp fantasy combatI fart condescendingly at you.
>>51563139>human>superior to catgirlwow look at all that shit taste
>>51563401>Unless the ear are really huge and start on the side to end at the top or something like that.god-tier ear placement tbqh
>>51562971Fire Emblem does this well: Female units average lower Strength/Defense and higher Skill/Speed... which is pretty fair because a) all those stats are fairly important and b) individual differences will often (as in life) be louder than systematic differences. Also, depending on the edition, some classes could be gender restricted (In Tellius, for instance, you won't find male Pegasus Knights or female Warriors [axe on foot].)
>>51565790In most Fire Emblem settings, you won't find male pegasus riders or female axe users at all.
>>51565790>individual differences will often (as in life) be louder than systematic differencesThis one is important. Fantasy games usually feature larger-than-life, unusual protagonists, so enforcing large penalties based on how the race USUALLY is feels weird and dishonest to the spirit of the genre.Then again, the worst offender is D&D and D&D is certifiable, proven to be shit.
>>51563407Mostly good points, but studies actually show that the average intelligence of men and women are almost exactly the same, but men tend to be less average, that is, their iq tends a bit more toward being much higher, or much lower than average
>>51566055Some of that is based on the fact that only a single X chromosome can be active at once in a cell.Thus, females get an averaging factor of both of their Xs, while males get only a single.This is also why heterochromia is more common in women, and calico cats are mostly female.
>>51563407The thing is though that men have such a big advantage when it comes to strength (specifically upper body strength, around 40% stronger than women on average) that women would basically need to all be natural gymnasts to balance out the strength advantage...which doesn't really seem realistic.
>>51562971There doesn't need to be a set stat difference between men and women for PCs. You're already playing an extraordinary person. On average, a man will be stronger, but for the most part player characters aren't average.
>>51564344Come on, you got to give us a source.
>>51566379Not him. I remember seeing this once, they had to do anal because she was a flesh lantern or sexdoll which god turned into a human, but if she lost her virginity she would turn back.
>>51566281An extrodinary man and an extrodinary woman should still be different though. I know using strength is becoming a tired example, but the strongest woman to ever live was probably still not nearly as strong as the strongest man ever to live. The point does hold if we are talking about super-human demi-gods, but that is an entirely different kind of story to tell, gender is only really significant in pretty human stories, else wise gender is a rather trite subject next to the high concept epics.Anyone have any data on male vs female "sanity"? I know men are far more likely to have aggressive disorders and women far more likely to have depressive disorders, and personal experience and stereotype indicates that women are far more fearful. However, they also seem to generally focus better and have better emotional control (but far worse emotional repression). Finally, they certainly multitask better, and have better general connectivity and blood flow in the brain.Asking because sanity is mana in my system, could be a nice balancer.
>>51566679>An extrodinary man and an extrodinary woman should still be different though.What does this add?
>>51566721Argument in favor of distinction here.>>51562971It adds another facet to the character and story that functions with the mechanics you have chosen to be a partner in that story's creation. If the mechanics don't recognize it, it falls somewhat flat, and you somewhat lose that facet,
>>51561318>mfw I make my character an orc barbarian>mfw she gets GREENED
>>51566743Is that facet actually important, though?
>>51566753Well, no facet of storytelling is necessary, of course, as with most kinds of art. But yes, great stories are often about people, culture, human nature and so on, and gender is a very important part of those things.
>>51566775so, stat separation should only be in a story if you make a story in which stat separation is important.
>>51562247Nice try troll but WoW d20 was released under the 3.x OGL.Nyaa
>>51561443I know this is supposed to be shitposting but she's so cute I kinda wanna take her along... "Nyo", heehee
>>51561318>He says, meming about the catgirl who can singlehandedly swing for 2,500,000 damage
>>51567382She is also a knight-yakuza fallen leader.
>>51561318This one is fucking offended by your stereotyping of our people. Now take off that stupid armor, take these drugs, and start shanking people while pickpocketing them like a respectable Khajiit.
>>51566679Well the thing is : this is the case in real life, but not in fantasy world. Cause let's be honest, the potential of the characters is not bound to what should normally be possible. A human with let's say 18 in strengh should be ridiculoussly strong.
>>51564574>What a shitpostWhat a shitpost.> Okay, I know this is a tactical operator setting, but I made a catgirl> She's operator as fuck, though.
>>51561493>>51562197>>51562700>Modern day type of settingAnd I'd say elves make great marines, elite spec-ops forces and units, and expert marksmen and sharpshooters.
>>51563089>dat trap Nekojin>>>/cm/
>>51572192So, orcs are front-line fighters, bouncers, and fill the stereotypical 'big black dude' roles?
>>51564101Rattlebones is ALWAYS welcome.
>>51572192>elves being Marines>marinesNo way man, Elves being highly and specially trained special forces units, battlemages with guns, and expert marksmen make sense and is good. But not as marines.Mostly because elves are waaaaay to smart to be marines, grunts and fucking lowly dumbass regular infantry army dudes.
>>51565686Was this draw by whom I think it was?
>>51561318Yes that's nice but our dress code and beliefs mandate that you display your trained body at all times.Get your top off and show us your muscles and scars.
>>51572940Can I join your group? The last one couldn't respect the basic rule of "Look, but don't touch, and don't stare".
>>51572658>confirmed doesn't know shit about Marines
>>51573327I didn't actually realize marineaboos existed until now.
>>51566237The thing is, we're talking about individual chracters here, so it's the fact that a woman is a natually good warrior that made her, well, a good warrior worthy of being a hero in a campaign.
>>51572212Orcs make great marines, elite spec-ops forces and units, and expert heavy weapons guys or light infantry, or airborne forces.
>>51572940>display your trained body>that wimp
>>51574050So dwarves are quartermasters, drivers, tank crew, and artillerymen?
>>51563401Side ears are cute!
>>51575047Yes, also engineers and sappers.
>>51575478TIL I'm a dwarf
>>51562354That's exactly what she wants him to do.
>>51575332Side ears, elf or otherwise, are the best. Especially if they're expressive. Ears that wag, perk up and droop in accordance to its owners emotions are great.
>>51573000Oh, come now. Where's the fun in that? They'll squirm all day - it's cute at first, but it's less so after the fifth day of tripping over words and not looking in your general direction.
>>51573000>>51579204If I was an actual adventurer and somehow had to share a group with one of these two hoes I wouldn't even get aroused or embarrassed or anything like that, I'd just get really really mad
>>51564020There is nothing stupid about nationalism you tearful little shit.
>>51564550Stop being triggered over someone being triggered over someone being triggered by trash threads.
>>51572150>>51572192There's never enough Operator Fantasy
>>51561318Fuck off, we're full of martials. I got 3 paladins, 2 barbarians and 4 fighters and only one god damn cleric
>>51581224Of course there isn't. It's a brilliantly subtle and powerful tool to persuade morons to let you fuck them and their families for free.
>>51566237Not 40%. 150%.Females have around 40% of male upper body strength
>>51561443>tfw 2 months into no fap>realizing hard that Kitsune and Catgirls are my fetishNot going to fall. But fuck you cunts and this shit. And fuck me for including them in my setting as a playable race. And fuck me for saving them.
>>51561318>Nyaaa! I'm a female martial!i stopped reading and shouted RAAAAAAAAPE!
>>51566055The bell curve IQ thing fails to take many things into account. Like the fact that highest IQ scores ever recorded belong to females and 2 out of 3 people in history who scored the highest on Hoeflin's test were female. And there is another very important thing in fantasy settings. Women are more "magical" in pretty much every culture on the planet. This is why there are many times more accounts of female witches, mediums or shamans.So realistically in a fantasy setting females should get a bonus to magical stats.
>>51583538https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightliftingMale record - 473kgFemale record - 348kg.
>>51583834You are quite possibly the biggest retard I've ever seen1) We're talking medians because dimorphism is not based on the outliers you retard, reference studies2) DYEL you noodle-armed dingus? Do you not know what a clean and jerk is, or a snatch?Hint, neither is an exclusively upper body movement. Lower body median disparity is only 7:10
>>51583782>I'm too stupid to understand statistics: the post
>>51583782>The bell curve IQ thing fails to take many things into account.A data set does not "fail to take things into account">Like the fact that highest IQ scores ever recorded belong to females and 2 out of 3 people in history who scored the highest on Hoeflin's test were female.False.And even if it were true, it's largely irrelevant to the trends of the data set. >And there is another very important thing in fantasy settings. Women are more "magical" in pretty much every culture on the planet. This is why there are many times more accounts of female witches, mediums or shamans.Maybe in your anime they are, but every setting is different, and this is a very poor argument.At least we know what end of the bell curve you're on.
>>51583929>>51583942The fact that women are overrepresented in the very top IQ scores is a clear proof that going with "muh average" is complete bullshit. IQ tests fail to account for a ton of things. 60 years old women had far worse education that men in the same age. Simply because 60 years ago not many women went to higher education at all. If you look at tests made by teens females actually have a pretty big advantage.
>>51584024>The fact that women are overrepresented in the very top IQ scores is a clear proof that going with "muh average" is complete bullshit.That is objectively wrong.>IQ tests fail to account for a ton of things. 60 years old women had far worse education that men in the same age. Simply because 60 years ago not many women went to higher education at all. If you look at tests made by teens females actually have a pretty big advantage.Higher education has not been shown to cause long term IQ gains. In fact, there is no consensus on how to create long terms IQ gains. It's likely impossible to any significant degree.Unless you're talking about avoiding things known to cause IQ loss.
>>51583929>>51583942>>51584001You guys know that all those famous IQ bell curve studies are over a decade old right?Reality changed a bit:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/may/12/university-gender-gap-scandal-thinktank-menhttp://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Edvantage/Story/A1Story20130307-406966.html
>>51584151I'm not seeing your argument.
>>51584124>Higher education has not been shown to cause long term IQ gains.Except every single study on the subject concluded otherwise.
>>51584209Please share your ground breaking studies that prove this.Not just with me, but with the world.
>>51584247There are dozens of those.http://www.iqtestexperts.com/iq-education.phphttp://www.voanews.com/a/study-more-education-increases-iq-score-136593433/169492.html
>>51583782With a hat that big, you know she's a magical bitch.
>>51584294I asked for studies, not people selling IQ tests online.
>>51584151Are you really too stupid to know why your links are as relevant to your argument as a treatise on feminist epistemology would be?Higher education rates do not reflect variance in g factor or IQAlso, while it's an annoying meme at this point, it's still true that STEM, still dominated by men, is more reliant on classical IQ, so it's not even correlation that's shown in your links; the opposite, in fact
>>51584470This guy knows what he's talking about.
>>51562971Same reasons why skeletons can move under their own power and cause physical harm to people, the laws of our world do not necessarily have to apply to a fantasy world. Honestly, what does making women weaker than men mechanically do to affect the narrative? It is clearly established in many settings that adventurers ARE NOT NORMAL PEOPLE.Once characters start hitting about 6th level or so they're already far more powerful than probably 97% of the humanoid population of that world. Adventurers are special fucking exceptions to the common laws of biology and logic.
>>51584470You know that women have real equal access to universities for just few decades as opposed to men completely dominating education for thousands of years right? And they are already dominating.Yes, there are still more men in STEM, but at the rates it's changing today it's not going to be true anymore in few decades. The most funny thing here is the fact it's changing faster in countries like Singapore, China or Iran compared to the west.
>>51565839With the exception of the most recent game, where both male pegasus riders and female axe-wielders are prominently featured.
>>51563089There needs to be more catgirls (male).
>>51584578https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVaTc15plVs&list=PLaJtMuDnR5KLwrt4z1O8tKmHWmUm3nObVHere's a few hours of interviews with people on both sides of the issue.If you still think men aren't more suited to STEM fields a few hours from now, it's because you weren't watching it.
>>51584757And now go read about how it looks in Asian countries. Average in Central Asia is 46% women now. In some countries it's almost 50%. Few decades ago it was less than 10%. And then look how fast those Asian countries are growing compared to USA or Europe.
>>51584757Reminder that STEM INCLUDES PHYSICS, BIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY WHERE WOMEN ARE ALREADY MOST OF THE ENTERING STUDENTS
>LE STEM>Oh I didn't mean inferior science, I mean the fields where we build shit and learn by rote what the research fields figure out for us, and then proceed to mangle every other science field we ultimately know nothing about because obviously climate and neurology works like writing java amirite>male """superiority""" everyone
>>51583929>tfw the biotruth people get btfo's and just don't know when to fucking quitWomen's sports records have been rising a lot faster than men's, there's a reason for that.Cultural reinforcement that build an aversion to sports are a thing.
>>51575771Welcome brother. We have gold, gems, best beer, best whiskey, best beards, and buxom women.
>>51562971>Treating the genders the same doesn't open up more possibilities for narrative, it destroys themI'm not seeing how this is the case.If you have identical stats for the sexes, you can effectively play a strong woman (who may or may not need no man) or a weak guy or whatever you want.With different stats, characters like that would likely have a penalty to their main stat, which would limit their effectiveness. On the other hand, they would have bonuses to other stats, but with no differences you could just shift a point or two over (assuming you're playing with point buy or some method of increasing stats in game). The other upside to different stats is so you can optimize for higher main stats (male Orc for +lots to Str, female Elf for +lots to Dex, etc) but that either gives players who do that (or happen to pick an advantageous combination) an edge over people who don't.That said, most of this goes out the window if you're playing a game where you're more inclined to have a bunch of stats at decent levels than one or two super high.Personally, I'm fine with small amounts of it in stuff where it doesn't really affect anything in the long run (Morrowind comes to mind), but at that point it barely does anything to the game so why bother with the extra overhead unless you need it for your realism-boner (which is fine, but I don't particularly have one).
>>51564605This one is lifting more.
>>51561318OK, kid. You got point.
>>51573363Marines are more intelligent on average, and have higher intelligence standards for recruits (the difference is not actually very big, but there is a difference).
>>51586400And the canadian military has a higher average IQ then the american one, so what?
>>51579273>tfw whores join your band and take your attempts to pray for them as come-ons
>>51581224>liking a stupid, poorly-thought out anime about how a lameass nerd self-insert fights off americans, russians, and chinese over a generic fantasy land where the women try to fuck a slob and that somehow this guy made it past special forces training>a tiny-ass self-defense force somehow turns into a military and gets into a fight with america, china, and russia without getting nuked>thinking that "HURR MY COUNTRY GUD" when there is no such fucking thing and you're proud about eating burgers/stuffing your face with baguettes/yelling about hockey becuz no one else has it or some stupid shitW E W L A DEEABOO
>>51584845Not an argument.>>51585780>counting nursing majors as STEMkek
>>51563518>>51563707Male+1 Strength+1 Constitution+10% Carry Weight+15% Food/Drink Cost & Carry Weight (Accounts for increased consumption required to maintain a physically larger frame)Free Proficiency in Athletics or Craft Skill of player choiceFemale+1 Dexterity+1 Charisma-10% Carry Weight-15% Food/Drink Cost & Carry Weight (Accounts for decreased consumption required to maintain a physically smaller frame)Free Proficiency in Intuition or Social Skill of player choiceThis should delineate the large differences between male and female characters that doesn't actually fuck anyone over or effect game play too significantly.If you want to go full redpill then throw men an additional +1 to Intelligence and women a +1 to Wisdom.>>51564605Compare her to a male Oly lifter in the same weight bracket and prepare to be disappointed as fuck. Pound for pound men are simply far stronger than women on average, it's just a biological fact.
>>51573898A woman in the 99th percentile for physical fitness testing in the military is in the 55th percentile for men, and men in the 55th percentile for pft scores can be denied career advancement until he improves his scores if the commanding officer wants.They lowered the standards for Ranger school because they couldn't get any women to qualify under the male minimum standards, even when they gave the women 6 months to prepare for Ranger school as their whole duty (ie, they didn't have to do anything but train constantly). Then every single one flunked out in the first phase, so they recycled them again and again, lowering the difficulty by increments until they finally passed (3rd try), when for men Ranger school is fail one and done.For stage 2, the rucks were 20 lbs lighter than usual and the marches were 15% shorter, the diet had 300 more calories a day, the male students were instructed to assist with soldier tasks like digging foxholes, and they were given extra equipment to ensure they could take bathroom breaks in private.The President announced that he was going to visit the graduation of the first female rangers when they still had 2 pass/fail exercises to complete in third phase, and there were 60% fewer washouts in their class than average.It was a job from start to finish, because a woman who performs to above average male standards, when it comes to physical fitness, is literally an Olympic caliber athlete.And that's fine, PCs generally are superior physical specimens, but the female record for most weight lifting events is less than 65% of the men's record.
>>51586627not even him but >hurr what dose medicin stand for
>>51586688This kind of realism has no place in heroic fantasy. In a world where dragons can fly without magic, men and women being equally physically capable doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
>>51564283My greatest disappointment with the real world is that tits don't grow bigger with muscles.
>>51586749If a woman works out and doesn't cut her fat drastically her chest will push out her breasts and the bulking up will enlarge them.
>>51562971The differences between the genders is rather negligible. At least negligible when a setting contains Orcs that are many times stronger than the average man or Elves that are move with unnatural grace or magic items that can make someone a polymath or a smooth-talker instantly.
>>51586749I'd be happy if muscle definition started around 10% body fat, so chasing defined abs didn't tend to completely obliterate the tits they had to start. I don't need them to have tig ole biddies, but I'd like rock hard abs and a full cupped B to be an option.
>>51584578>And they are already dominating.Sure, as far as shit degrees go. I don't really care about gender studies etc
>>51586816Abs and big tits exist its really how a woman chooses to work out. People get visible abs at whats considered fat by bber standards.
>>51586815A plus 4 to strength makes the orc average a human 75th percentile, so "several times" is something of a misnomer.Assuming straight proportionality and maximum natural at level 20, you're just taking about a 16% difference. Or around 162 lbs in the Raw Squat.
>>51586851Visible abs, sure, but not cut definition. Cut definition means under 3% bodyfat, and under 3% bodyfat means breasts become deflated dugs and mensus stops.If she's got cut definition and she still has tits, they are fake.Otoh, you can't knock her up...
>>51586930It really depends on what you mean by cut for bbers that means shredded for regular people if you see a 6-8 pack om a person its cut to them.and half the trick of getting abs is simply to enlarge the muscles and flex which pushes them out.
>>51586708Making STEM so broad that almost any job could qualify is a pretty pathetic tactic, and is at its core a semantic argument.
>>51586930Oh and about the tits thing definately not. You see female tit size isn't dictated by body fat. So you can have slim women who are almost anorexic that are titty monsters.I met a lady from europe once that had the biggest natural breasts ive ever seen on a woman ive met. She had a narrow waist with a six pack.
>>51586879I mean, that just supports my point. Why should human sexes diverge further in characteristics than they different species? "-4 str" assumes the difference in strength between a man and a woman is equivalent to the difference in strength between a man and a half-orc.Well, for PCs, at least.
>>51586977The M doesn't even stand for medicine to begin with.SCIENCETECHNOLOGYENGINEERINGMATHEMATICSIts the first result when you fucking google STEM. Bioscience is part of STEM because it's you know, science. Being a doctor or a nurse is an entirely different field.
>>51587014While not all fat girls get rocking titties, and skinny girls can be top heavy as fuck, there is a minimum required bodyfat percentage required to maintain the fatty deposit that gives breasts their shape (and that percentage increases based on cup size)As>>51586974mentions, the comprehension problem we're having is likely due to power level differences in the muscular woman preference we have.
>>51587113Body fat only comes into play when they workout more than they consume so the body looks for fat deposits to reduce which is usually the greasts large.As for fat women getting bigger breasts its essentially padding out their core breast.The funny thing is the claim of no spot reduction ok for arguments sake lets say that is correct but even bbers will tell you certain fatty areas are stubborn to reduce.
>>51587113Also those posters are both me.
So yeah if you wanted to say is a large breasted amazon warrior woman with a six pack feasible? Yes because all they would need to do is weightlifting exercises and really nothing else to attain that physique
>>51587040For the same reason why any animal has greater dimorphism than the difference between it's standard range of size and ability between it and another (perhaps related) species.The difference between a Widow and a Redback is smaller than between a male and female of either species, despite the fact that they have been isolated from each other longer than the existence of the Homo genus.Listen, if you don't want it in your game, that's fine, but if someone wants a little more realism, that's a choice too, and a valid one as well.The 162 lbs in the Raw Squat record I mentioned in >>51586879can give us a comparison baseline for this dimorphism for bonus to stat as well, because while the male record is 1014 lbs, the female record is 661.
>>51587244E.g., if we claim that dnd ability scores are proportional (evidence is inconsistent), the Orc record should be 1174 lbs, roughly half the difference between the male and female record.
>>51584578Again you're too daft to understand why that's completely tangential and completely irrelevant
>>51586708ScienceTechnologyEngineeringMathWhoops go kill yourself
>>51578564The only problem is expressive ears and heavy earrings.Shit would be painful.
>>51587225You can have big tits and a visible six pack, but it'll mostly be visible during a flex if she's still at a "has tits" body fat percentage.
>>51587412Why is there so much damn art of her?Shes triggering me.
>>51587600Read>>51587014Tits are not really dictated by bf. Women you see into fitness with no tits really never had them in the first place.A slim woman with a large rack would therefore became muscular in appearance and still have a large rack if she just did heavy weight exercises casually
>>51586331I mean I know nothing about lifting but she is just deadlifting there right? The other gal has it actively over her head.There's a huge difference between "get over your head" and "get barely off the ground"
>>51587653Shes doing the first part of clean and jerk which is a dead lift but ends with her lifting it over her head you dumby.
>>51586977>STEM IS TOO BROAD>BIOLOGY SHOULDN'T COUNT, IT'S A GIRL SCIENCE>CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS ARE GIRL SCIENCES TOOReminder that even without nursing it's still majority women.
DAE le only real stem is computer science and engineering
>>51586930Are you retarded? A woman at 3% is dead
>>51587623To make you hot and bothered.
>>51587623Who doesn't like a half dressed ex-yakuza foxgirl? She's also a pretty good character in the game.
>>51587653Both are doing a clean and jerk.To be fair, the amerifat isn't maxing in that picture, Holley Mangold's 2012 Olympic Trial Clean and Jerk was 145 kilos (she missed London due to injury) and she's lifting 85 kilos in that picture.>>51586331Lidia Valentin Perez, however, won Olympic Gold in London in the 75 kilo division (she actually placed 5th, but the top 4 tested positive for PEDs), and her personal best is 147 kilos in the clean and jerk. I'm pretty sure she's got 135 kilos on the bar in that picture.Holley Mangold competes in the unlimited division, obviously.So these women have similar levels of strength, even if one is 165 lbs and the other is 370.
>>51587709DAE PSYCHOLOGISTS LITERALLY DROVE TO MY LABORATORY AND SHIT ALL OVER EVERYTHING?
>>51587414>mathmeanwhile you autists shriek about mathematicians and staticians
>>51583607>2 months inThats bordering on not healthy. Impressive, but not healthy.
>>51561318But does she have itty bitty kitty titty or bit fat cat tats?
>>51588272I'm giving up masturbation. I will atleast make it to three months. I need to work to avoid foxgirls until then since they're a bit too exciting.
>>51561443>Nyo, but the bar I used to work at said I was the cheerfulest and I never spilled a drink! That's pretty good for this level...right?Yes, now go pick up those bags of loot!>>51562217>Would you ever suspect OP's character of being a highly trained intelligence operative?>>51562270>Shit, your right>>51562355>It's genius. Report to HQ immediately....That MAGNIFICENT BITCH!!!>>51564101Can you play Bink's Sake?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htF1kxwdez4>>51564178>Things like this make me always think cat-people sound like 1920s gangsters. >>Nyah, see?Then you want Lackadaisy.>>51572150Always need more Caticals!>>51573327>confirmed doesn't know shit about MarinesSpotted the Marine...>>51586749>My greatest disappointment with the real world is that tits don't grow bigger with muscles.>>51586799>If a woman works out and doesn't cut her fat drastically her chest will push out her breasts and the bulking up will enlarge them.Yeah, the problem is Breasts are almost entirely fat, but most body builders drastically cut down on their body fat percentage to get that definition.Hence I prefer Thick Strong over Cut Abs.
>Year 20XX>People still think "realism" in the setting has merit
>>51583607Is it ok, if I keep thinking about nibbling on their ears? Kitsune, cat, elf, any other with long ears.
>>51588652Again, thats not exactly healthy. The male prostate is designed to work in bursts. Fapping too often or not enough can cause complications.
>>51588828I'm sure nocturnal emissions is plenty enough.
>>51588801If its a gritty WW2 Type game where you are storming beaches and taking bunkers and shit, i'd say realism does have merit. If its just about anything else though, realism only serves as a platform for suspension of disbelief, so people aren't constantly arguing with the DM about semantic BS
>>51588846Even then, internal consistency of the setting is much more important than realism.
>>51563281Women make fine adventurers. Without the comforts of modern society people are a lot more hardy. Sacegawea led lewis and clarke across an uncharted america while pregnant.
>>51586634Men do not deserve a flat upgrade to intelligence. Men have an intelligence that is more "swingy" than womens due to the Y chromosome lacking counterparts to the X chromosome. Therefor men are rolling the die a bit more on their single X chromosome. They are just as likely to come out dumb as a brick as they are to come out exceedingly intelligent. Women are more often riding the average because they have two X chromosomes and are more likely to balance a "dumb person" gene with a more normal one.Men don't have that redundancy so we get more Einsteins but also a lot more dumb people. Men also seem to have higher rates of personality deficiencies, we are just less balanced overall. Wisdom for women would make sense though, growing up in a world where one gender is physically bigger and stronger would provide opportunity to make a person more introspective, cautious, and aware. Especially if they chose dangerous professions.
>>51586742This.Another problem is that games aren't really accurate renditions of real life, especially their combat. We could make a game that was more accurate in this fashion and it would take a lot of the importance of strength out of the equation. Without massive ballooned health bars and damage reliant on strength women could have a much better place in combat.I'm not trying to say that in a straight up fight women are the equals of men, they aren't, not by a long shot. What I am saying though is that in the real world women are less bound by social norms and honor to fight fairly and are more than capable of murdering large men with even relatively small weapons like daggers when they know what they are doing. Men don't expect that level of violence from women and its something that can (and has been historically) be taken advantage of. Basically, fighting is hard, murder is easy.
>>51572917If you're thinking about ShindoL. YaThat cute little thing gets super raped by pig orcs if I recall. Fun.Source: I'm a pervert.
>>51583929>You are quite possibly the biggest retard I've ever seenRight back at you:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683>The women were approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively.Nowhere near your 150% difference.
>>51586627Oh, it's definitely going to be an argument when China overcomes USA in second half of this century.
>>51589359Men roll 3d6 for Int. Women roll 2d6+4.
>>51590186Men also clearly have huge charisma penalties if /tg/ is anything to go by.
>>51587623She won the most recent poll.
>>51586634>men have more constitutionkek, men are most susceptible to a plethora of diseases and have less effective endurance and pain resistance.
>>515901943d6 vs 2d6+6.
>>51590213And at the same time they take physical blows better than women. One of the reasons why describing reality with DnD stats is stupid.
>>51590213Women need spehul whoremoans to get over pain
>>51584001>Maybe in your anime they are, but every setting is different, and this is a very poor argument.Anime? They are like that in legends of almost every culture on Earth.I can only imagine the butthurt if women got -4 str but their int, wis and cha always count 2 points higher for everything magic related.Suddenly females would be mandatory for minmaxing in all the strongest classes.
>>51564447>le reddit spacingI'm the guy you were responding to, and what the fuck are you talking about? It's called proper formatting, you illiterate caveman.
>>51566679>better emotional control (but far worse emotional repression)What did he mean by this?
>>51584572>Once characters start hitting about 6th level or so they're already far more powerful than probably 97% of the humanoid population of that worldIncorrect. 1) Read the DMG sections on levels and demographics, and 2) it depends on the setting.
>>51585840>there's a reason for that.Testosterone injections getting a lot more common?
>>51561318>I'm a ___ martial! _ I'm just good as ___ warrior! With my __ swordfighting style and ___ spirit, Ii'll definetly be an asset to the party ___! I'm ready for adventure!Ok. Feel free to join. It seems that things that matter most are in order.
Why are people even using DnD in a discussion about realism?It's one of the least realistic systems in existence.
>>51562247Hey, it helped my friends to stop playing it and start playing some DnD for a change.
>>51590415>Reading anything in the DMG past the clause where the DM gets to make everything up.You might as well not play DnD.
>>51587921So is male
>>51590689making shit up in an online debate and pretending its facts is another matter altogether
>>51590731Oh jeez. Making shit up in an online debate? Yeah you're this this IS serious. Better go quote a useless book from a shitty game! "Does anyone ever actually see these memo pages? Waste of paper if you ask me!"Yea that's relevant enough.
>>51588846Well, let's just say that it's the same people who think Valeria is (almost) as good as Conan at adventuring, so one should guess the problem if anything should be on the praticality of the outfit.
>>51561318I would have no problem allowing this in my game. Agility-based warriors are just as viable as strength-based ones, with their own pros and cons of course. Health is a measure of fighting spirit as much as it is raw durability, so having 'pluck' can justify your character being a tough front-liner even if you aren't a burly mountain man. The verbal tick could prove annoying but that's up to the other players, really.>>51562971Yeah, I agree with most of the other replies; player characters are not 'normal' and can (and will) defy stereotypes based on their race and gender. In my game, for example, Elves tend to have higher Intellect but lower Might than human average, and there are some suggested attribute arrays for Elves to reflect this, but nothing stops you from making a very strong, very stupid Elf.Besides, I consider attributes to be more based on upbringing and personal talent rather than whether you're an Elf or an Orc. Elves tend to be nerds because their society rewards intelligence and tends towards magic, which don't require physical strength. Orcs are strong and not well-read because they're mostly farmers, hunters, and mercenaries. When you spend 15 years waking up at 3 a.m. and doing chores until sunset you build muscle and stamina but you don't really have much time for reading books.
>>51590785Any semblance of an argument on your part has now officially devolved into schizophrenic rambling. Seek help.
>>51586930>>51587113It really depends on individual biology too, as breast size CAN noticably fluctuate with weight gain and loss, but only up to a point and for many people it's not very obvious while some of us can gain a few cup sizes and inches on the measurement depending on whether it's full-/fit/ time or time to be a lazy butt.
>>51561659I have a friend who did. No bullshit. Playing shadowrun, he loves cats way too much to be healthy and watches a ton of anime. I shit you not he wore cat ears and said nyaa.
>>51590826Amusingly enough, in Howard's stories, Valeria indeed was nearly Conan's own equal, which was rarely if ever found in the whole of his stories.
>>51562121Who's the artist? google is being a little shit.
>>51586627What kind of dumb are you?Nursing is a medical degree. STEM. M stands for medicine.What are you, a Statistics major?
>>51563281>Men are noticeably superior to women in many ways when it comes to adventuring, and women have essentially nothing to compensate for it.Unless they are better at magic.
>>51592495Dude, M stands for Math. You're probably baiting at this point because people have already pointed that out, multiple times now.On the other hand, I personally see no reason why jobs in medical fields shouldn't count as STEM under "Science." I mean, you're applying science in the field when you're practicing medicine. They have laboratories and shit in hospitals for tests. Does the S in STEM only refer to research? That seems weirdly selective.
>>51592724Same reason neckbeards are starting to insist bio (and very soon, chem) aren't real stem.Cooties
>>51592724Same reason you don't say you're in the movie industry if you're the janitor at a cinema.
>>51586331>>51588134Thanks, I now have a weightlifting waifu.
>>51592723Or unless they take the good old "charm your way through gullible men" route that has proven to be rather effective for many women.
>ywn pull Yuisis from the gachaFeels bad man
>>51564049TTShit please go
>>51564622>being this buttblasted>>51572192>>51572658He probably comes from britbongistan or some other country where marines actually stick to their origins of raiding and being almost-but-not-quite-operator, instead of the USMC that makes a living running up beaches into machine-gun fire.
>>51593215>some other country where marines actually stick to their originsPretty much every country, other than the USA.The USMC are the only 'marines' that actively recruit the dumbest fucks they can find and train them to not even consider thinking.A US marine will jump on a grenade. A british soldier will drop a backpack on it, then jump on it on his back so he'll be hurt less by the blast.'Every marine is special' all right. Special fucking needs.
>>51590374Men tend to deal with their emotions by not dealing with them. They ignore them and do their best to focus on other things. If they can't ignore them they get increasingly frustrated and neurotic, which they will try to solve via action (take care of the source of the problem, something not always possible in emotional issues, often making things worse) rather than introspection. On the plus side, men deal with stressful situations better because of this, they realize they are getting emotional and they just focus on the task at hand more to keep it at bay.Women just deal with their emotions. They get into a stressful situation and they get stressed out and emotional, those emotions stay there and effect everything they do until they take care of them. The positive side of this is that they actually do get over it.A quick googling will lead you to some data on how men deal with breakups better in the short-term than women, but never really fully get over the emotional pain. While women are worse off in the short term, but bounce back after a little bit.Also, personal experience having been around men and women a lot in my life.
>>51593274>A british soldier will drop a backpack on it, then jump on it on his back so he'll be hurt less by the blast.>'Every marine is special' all right. Special fucking needs.Eh, I've known a Royal Marine who honestly wasn't all that bright...
>>51561370>>51561318>daimah wanting to join our roaming ronin bandSo afortunate! Lets have a toast to our luck.
>>51584300BIG BLACK HAT
>>51592999>Wears whore makeup even while lifting competitively.Jesus christ, what a shitty person.
>>51593335Well, those sound like two retarded ways of dealing with your emotions.
>>51594266Because they are. Neither actually deals with your emotions, one is just repressing them and the other is riding their dick to hell and back. And contrary to popular opinion, doing that doesn't actually help you to get over it. At all.Most people don't fucking know how to deal with their emotions, they just let them happen in one way or the other.
>>51594241What's wrong? Can't handle a strong woman?That's not whore makeup even by the most conservative standards, and it looks nice.
>>51595388Well, then we're on the same page.
>>51564208>fakest titsYou say it like it's a bad thing. Bolt-ons are hot.
>>51561318What is the short version of your character's backstory?
>>51592943But that doesn't make any sense. Of course a janitor isn't "applying cinema," or the movie industry, they're just cleaning up. Your analogy only works if you're talking about candystripers. I'm talking about actual doctors, people who run empirical tests to determine if their patients have X disease, etc. On what planet is the discovery of facts based on observing data and testing hypotheses not science, and why don't the observations and experiments conducted by doctors count as such for your special acronym?
>>51594241I don't know if that's really makeup, dude. There's maybe some blue around her eyes, but that could just be a shadow, and people blush naturally when they physically exert themselves.I guess you might not know about that last bit, though, so it's understandable
>>51596366Actual doctors are one thing, nurses another.
>>51572192US Marines are glorified cannon fodder.>>51593343If they had anything going for them, they wouldn't be an infantryman.
>>51596577You've never taken fire in your life and you shouldn't be speaking about military matters you know nothing about, my neverserved friend.
>>51596505So where is the line drawn exactly? As I mentioned before I think it's reasonable to exclude candystripers and janitors from the field, but I'm still not certain why, exactly. It seems that nurses are a significant step above those, because they're often instrumental in gathering observations to continue the thought I was thinking earlier, but they're not quite doctors. It seems fair to me, based on my incomplete knowledge of what nurses do, to compare them to lab techs. It also seems reasonable to consider lab techs and/or assistants members of STEM fields.So what is the actual "line" to cross in order to enter the hallowed halls of S.T.E.M., if we take as fact that nurses are not a part of it while doctors and researchers are?
>>51596675>So where is the line drawn exactly?Somewhere around the MD degree?
>>51596675I'd say doctors aren't either. Medical research is an entire field separate from practical medicine. The laboratories in hospitals don't really carry out scientific research, they are used for analysis for medical purposes. The line is pretty clear though: if you publish your research results in scientific journals, you're doing science.
>>51572658>>51596577So what's the deal, POG that's never done shit and is butthurt that infantry life is glorified, or someone that's so incompetent that he couldn't get in to begin with and is now trying to cover his insecurities? Maybe just a dumb child regurgitating what he read online to try and get some weird and pathetic satisfaction from trying to seem like he knows what he's talking about anonymously on an anime imageboard?
>>51597080Thank you. I'm kind of sad really, that picture promised some interesting other character art, and it's all just art of her WoW RP characters. It's good art, but I was hoping they had more variety.
>>51597588>Medical research is an entire field separate from practical medicine.That seems true. But why is scientific analysis not science? It's based on the same fundamentals of observation, hypothesis, and experimentation:>observation: the patient is exhibiting X symptoms. Y disease that also exhibits X symptoms reacts in a certain way to this chemical.>hypothesis: the patient has this disease, and introducing this chemical to a sample of the patient's blood will cause the disease to react.>experiment: the patient's blood reacted, therefore they have disease Y.>observation: the disease Y is cured by application of treatment Z...and so on. So why doesn't this count as science if replicating past experiments presumably does?
>>51597588I think you have it entirely backwards. The analytics and labs are the ones doing the science, the doctors themselves are putting the findings of those studies to use.
>>51597689>So what's the dealMarines be morons, hence why they struggle outside the Corps...
No matter what you do a researcher will never be more cherished than a doctor.Except, maybe ironically, by doctors.
>>51597866Because what you're descibing is not research of anything new, it's application of already established things. While yes, this can lead to some discoveries (mainly in the methodology, not in biological theory), new or more accurate data, or just generally more statistics, this is pretty minor compared to what actual biological laboratories and scientific groups do.>>51597983We were talking about the labs in the hospitals. Hospitals have labs that are used for analyses of the patients' conditions etc.
>>51599917>Because what you're describing is not research of anything new...Neither is peer review, but researchers who conduct peer review experiments are undoubtedly a crucial part of the scientific process: you have to be able to reliably reproduce experiments. As I pointed out before, medical treatment looks a lot like a reproduced experiment. Sometimes, as in peer review experiments, medical treatments yield unanticipated results, prompting more research. So in almost every aspect, medical treatment is the same as peer review. So are the researchers who replicate others' experiments scientists?>it's application of already established things.Unless you're going into your high school physics experiment without considering the theory of gravity, I'm not sure how you can practically do science without applying already established theories at all. What did Newton say about giants again?
>>51600291Really? You can't undestand the difference?>peer review experiments are undoubtedly a crucial part of the scientific processAnd they are cunducted for that purpose. >medical treatment looks a lot like a reproduced experimentNo, it does not. There is a very important distinction. A doctor does not experiment with anything, he knows that if he does something the result will be what he expects. Otherwise it's experimental fucking medicine and it's pnly used on volunteers and is an entirely different thing. Let me illustrate if you don't get it. I take a medicine, drink it and expect it to do what its description says. I don't wait for the result to see what how the medicine behaves. And it's the same with a doctor. He must know what he's doing. He may not be entirely sure, but it's not an experiment, the doctor doesn not intend the medicine to act unexpectedly, and he will always try to use the most reliable methods.>Unless you're going into your high school physics experiment without considering the theory of gravity, I'm not sure how you can practically do science without applying already established theoriesAre you fucking trolling here? Of course you apply SOME knowledge. But the whole point of an experiment is to TEST a hypothesis or theory, do something that may result in knew knowledge, while the whole point of medical treatment is to rely on everything that's known and to consider all theory as established truth.>Sometimes, as in peer review experiments, medical treatments yield unanticipated results, prompting more researchYes, and I pointed that out. And as I said this is pretty minor compared to what actual biological laboratories and scientific groups do.
>>51600554So in the end, the difference is how certain they are that their experiments will yield the expected results? Scientists are only people who do things anticipating unexpected results?Any medical treatment, if it doesn't go as planned, can result in new knowledge, just like in established scientific experiments. If, in the process of attempting to replicate an experiment, something goes not according to plan, that means that either a) you did something wrong or b) that you've found something new that the first experiment somehow missed. How is this any different from how medicine is practiced, aside from medicine being (hopefully) more predictable? Saying that the unanticipated results in medicine are "minor" compared to dedicated research groups seems like a weirdly fuzzy line if we're talking about the distinction between "scientist" and "non-scientist."
>>51600938>So in the end, the difference is how certain they are that their experiments will yield the expected results?Well, in part, yes. And this difference is huge. But also there's difference in the purpose of what they do.>Scientists are only people who do things anticipating unexpected results?Um... yeah, pretty much.>Any medical treatment, if it doesn't go as planned, can result in new knowledgeYet again I'll repeat, I know. I said that two times already.>Saying that the unanticipated results in medicine are "minor" compared to dedicated research groups seems like a weirdly fuzzy line if we're talking about the distinction between "scientist" and "non-scientist."Look. 90—99% percent of what doctors do cannot be considered science and doesn't give any new knowledge. Another 0.9—9.9% is accumulating data and statistics, it does give new knowledge, but it's not really science,and that's what doctors mostly publish in medical or sometimes even scientific journals. Finally, there is 0.1% of medical practice that is really something interesting. 100% of what researchers do is science. It's not in any way "fuzzy".