The John Carter stuff is canon.

>>54084767
This guy wrote some great stuff set on Mars too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Rouge

There's rockets propelled by meditating yogis, giant flying tentacled brains that feed on people's memories, bat-folk vampire slavers and John Carter-esque antics

>>54084756
According to Nasa recently: Dormant volcanoes

Are we taking the first Martian colonists, a colonized Mars, or a successfully-settled Mars? Also, are we talking terraformed or original flavor?

>>54084793
One of the things I found really interesting with his take on Martian fantasy society was the incredibly strangling effect of honor. Like, you had guys with guns that fire irradiated rounds, but they have a gentleman's promise to only use those on one another, rather than on the myriad warriors in thongs carrying primitive spears. Maybe that can remain a thing: honor among fighters with actual tech.

>>54084837
successfully, half terra.

Rift point was an early martian settlement that started doing very well up until the storm of '32. Colonial HQ lost contact with rift as the dust enveloped the planet. After the storm passed, the town was empty, not even any bodies, all the settlers were just gone.

>>54084756
Who doesn't know the story of the Lost astronaut? It is said that a long time ago, one of the Mars explorers from the earliest missions to the planet died in an accident. Ever since then, many have spoken of seeing a mysterious lone figure wandering the wastes. The figure wears an old spacesuit and in many of these accounts, he appears before sandstorms, acting as a warning to anyone who sees him.

Other accounts tell of a radio transmission calling for help. As the receiver of the signal follows the instructions of the person on the other side and reaches the location, the person finds a dried up body in a weathered suit - apparently the person on the other side had been long dead.

>>54085032
>>54085069
>Stores dusters tell round the campfire
I love it.

>>54085069
I love the idea of Mars being full of ghost stories. Some friendly and helpful, some angry and vengeful, but everyone's got a story to tell. Mars is a place where the dead can't sleep, because they're so far from home and can't find their way back.

>>54084756
>Sasquatch has followed us to the red planet, and he's becoming impatient

>>54084756
>Y'know why they named this planet after a war god? There's some kind of ruins found when Acidalia Planitia was flooded. Now the smarty-folks said they's just rocks, but it's actually wreckage! War stuff from way before there were humans!
>Oh god damnit grandpaw, you been watching them ancient aliens bullshit again?

>>54084799
You mean mars might not be dead inside?

>Alien life was found frozen in the southern ice caps

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>>54084767
>Dejah Thoris's outfit is canon

>>54085365
Ares' Forge would be a good Martian equivalent of El Dorado.

>>54085225
>>54085093
I'm really digging the "Martian Ghost Story" angle too. I remember, not too long ago, that we'd had a similar thread about a semi-abandoned Trans-Martian Highway and the different myths and legends that were told by the space truckersthat still passed along it. I'll through find the thread and post it for information, but until then, have another story:

>Not many dusters travel the old Trans-Martian Highway anymore, but some that do come back with tales of a phantom hitchhiker, standing next to the wreckage of an old crawler in an old suit with her thumb in the air. Yup, a woman, by the shape of her and the voice that they say comes over that crackly radio. She climbs aboard your rig, all thankful and pleasant, but won't take her helmet off and keeps her sun visor down. She says she's been up for 36 hours straight and wants to catch a little shut-eye, but when you go to wake her you find that you can't. When folks freak out and take off her helmet, they find her suit full of nothing but sand and rock and scraps of metal. No woman to be seen anywhere.

I've heard rumours, that within the strongest storms of the northern dunes, there exists an ancient city of unlimited wealth. People have been trying to brave the storms for centuries, but no one has ever returned. The rumours say that things - phyisics become... weird in these storms. Like something is trying to keep us out! I say someones had too big a dose of the 'ole superstition, but who knows? Maybe the rumours are true...

>>54085473
But it would be Mars' forge

>>54085545
Here it is. It was a short tread but there were a few newt ideas there:

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/50739480/

>>54085440
It has a core, it's pretty difficult to be a planet-sized object and be stone cold on the inside.

It's just not made of something as effective at keeping a magnetic field as earth's iron, I imagine, so once it gets even a little cold, all of it goes away.

>>54085354
I mean depending on who you ask the squatch is an interdimensional genetically modified alien scouting entity (holy shit do I love people who believe in bigfoot) so yeah, one will probably follow us to the red planet.

I met duster in the northern Badlands. He told me that deep within high country the truth of mars could be found. So I travelled far and came upon a high plateau of perma frost, granite and red sand. Amongst the desolation sat a great plinth and tumbled down statue. Carved upon the base of the statue in the old tongue read 'I am Ozymandis, King of kings. Look upon my works you mighty and despair' [spoiler/]

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12130366/

There would definitely be festivals for the Day of Departure, and Day of Arrival.

Out on Mars the Winking Lizard
Lies just left beyond the gate
Lady Stella does the pouring
And you never have to wait
For the rum that burns your gizzard
And incinerates your brain
And you'll hear the tales of Mars
Before the city slickers came

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>>54085069
They say a number of expeditions were allegedly sent to Mars prior to the "first" landing - all failed in one way or another and all information related to them was hidden by the agencies that sent them. While many call these stories fake, people find pieces of scrap metal out there every once in a while and some have come forward with images of flags and tracks but their authenticity has been put under question.
Could it be? Do history archives contain the wrong names? Do the true first "Martians" lie buried somewhere in the vast red plains?

>>54084756
You hear about the Mariner Valley settlement? The Government are saying it was some sort of magnetospheric failure. Cooked the colonists to a fine crisp. General quarantine and all that. Well that doesn't make a lick of sense to me. That far north? And this close to Aphelion? Gamma levels should well below tolerance limits, especially in the canyons.

My friend Chris? He works in one of the med-centres where they were treating the rescue teams, the ones that came back. He says they were trying to glue the poor bastards back together. Like something ripped em open. I don't think radiation did that.

There's something fucked up going on at Mariner. They were digging right down to the mantle, or something. Part of that deep mining initiative. Maybe they went and found something. I don't know about you but I think someone needs to go out there and make sure that whatever's going on there can't come and find us.

>>54085545
I want Mars explorers to be the modern equivalent of the sailors, passing weird stories while drinking Mars rock booze

>>54086688
You may also be interested in the "Spacer Superstition" threads we had some time ago. Most of them come from a time not-yet-come, after Humanity began colonizing the solar system but before spacefaring became entirely safe and commonplace. Some of the ideas from those threads are based on old sailing superstitions, some on modern day astronautical rituals and some on plain old space weirdness:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Space+superstition

>>54085644
It was, originally, but calling it that got too confusing.

>There is a valley, broad and deep, between two minor colonies that many younger Dusters assume to be a shortcut when they see it marked on their maps. Older hands will quickly out them off the idea of taking it, however, telling stories of folk who thought the same thing and tried to cross the valley to shave off a few hours in a cramped crawler. They say that the place is littered with vehicles, some damaged from collisions with older wrecks but most intact, pulled off and away from the dusty, rusty track meandering down the center of the valley. They say that airlocks are left wide open in these vehicles, and that their crews can be found asphyxiated inside or scattered around outside after having deliberately removed their helmets.

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>The Liuzhou Kongsi halt operations in sector 29 amidst on-going investigation into recent power outages

I'm not buying it. A friend of mine knows a guy, some Namibian freelancer who runs a small business, transports supplies to far-off outposts. Anyway, during one of his trips north he apparently ran into some guy in a broken-down buggy. He had barely any supplies left and he claimed that his station was overrun. Apparently, the androids working in the mine started acting weird, they stopped working and wouldn't respond to any commands. When the technicians went down to try and fix the problem, the androids attacked. The guy the Namibian found made it out before they could get him and he tried to reach the next station down the line but a storm took him off-course.

Anyway, the Namibian dropped him off at his next stop. He said he couldn't take him to the outpost the man was going to because he was in a hurry but the guy it was alright, he would contact the company from there and then recharge his batteries before heading out. Hopefully he made it because last time I heard, there was a fire at that outpost.

>>54085680
The core of Mars is made of iron.

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Parents on Mars tell their children that if they misbehave, the "Doomguy" will take them away. The origin of this mythical creature's name is unknown.

>>54084756
>The storm walkers
>said to be ghost of first settlers of mars who died in horrible conditions
>seeing them whilst in the middle of the storm is seen as a dark omen
>people say that those that see them would soon join them in their endless stride or that they herald a major catastrophe.

>>54086799
Stranger in a Strange Land?

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>>54084756
I like to think that Mars would have a bit of a frontier feel about it, even centuries after colonisation. Most colonists live in small, self sufficient towns that are focussed around the production of a single vital resource for the overall colonisation effort. There are a few cities but they exist primarily as trading/training/academic hubs, rather than as any sort of cosmopolitan heartland. Transport between towns is readily available but they are sometimes separated by hundreds of Kilometers of untouched waste land that has yet to converted for habitation.

There are groups that have gone off reservation and tried to create their own autonomous settlements, but most have died, leaving eery prefab ghost towns dotted throughout the northern hemisphere. Ghost Town rescource reclamation is a profitable, albeit dangerous job, owing to the possibility of being caught in a dust storm without adequate protection.

>>54088509
That sounds really appealing.

>>54084756
David Bowie lives there.

>>54084756
There are still thirds out there.

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>>54084756
Some say there is a cult of technophiles living on mars that horde any and all types of technology they find.

>>54088899
>david bowie appears to suffocating explorers in the wastes
"You're dying man."

Power Engineers at Martian mining stations are given complimentary / compulsory military training just like the Police officers and actual military. They are taught to break down a weapon, firing drills, and basic hand-to-hand.

They are never expected to be sent into combat, and they don't compete in military trials. By all rights, Power Generation is a lazy-sit-on-your butt desk job with the occasional day of swinging a wrench and a multimeter at a busted piece of equipment.

The administrators will say that it's for a "health and safety" purpose, but none of the other civilian positions are obligated to complete the training.

Does anyone know that sci-fi book were humanity gets forced to be genetic experiments through the galaxy? I forgot the name of the book.

When ships are launched from Earth to Mars, there are a number of duplicate systems added by the launch command. Life support, obviously, as well as communications and critical systems, like guidance computers.

However, after regular freightlines were established to Mars, it became common practice for crew to bring redundant copies of so-called "critical" systems out of their personal carryon luggage, such as extra tools for engineers, extra tethers, extra oxygen, extra medical supplies for doctors.

This grew into a tradition where every member packs something useful as a sacrifice outta their personal commodities. These bonus items are left on the ship, or given to the destination station when they arrive on Mars.

This practice has started to spread out of the freighters though, and now include the military has seen troops bringing "backup" guns if they can spare the room or single blank ammunition cartridges if they are lacking in space as a tongue-in-cheek jest / nod to their civilian brothers.

Even passengers on the colony ships have taken this to heart, and they'll often bring a "gift" item to the ship before departing for the Martian colonies. Usually food, or small trinkets, they'll offer it to the ship, or to the crew as a token of their passage.

Captains of most vessels are obligated to carry an extra book onboard the vessel - traditionally a backup Captain's log or ship's ledger, but more recently works of fiction or historical importance.

Martians really dont get on with Venusians.

>>54084756
Due to the impracticality of orienting towards Earth, a Martian Mecca is declared, in neutral territory, and a plaque implanted into the ground. It is against treaty to build near the site. Observing Muslims who wish to face towards Mecca are directed to orient towards the Martian Mecca.

>>54091087
>implying the muslims wouldn't construct a 3D compass that always points towards Mecca

Before attempting any large scale excavation or surface mining, it is convention to send out three radio broadcasts covering the area that the digging / blasting will occur.

One broadcast is sent to local crew, stations, vehicles, and workers, informing them of the impeding blast, and to complete safety checks / clear the area. Various people answer this broadcast, confirming their acknowledgement and relative safety.

One broadcast is sent on all-bands and the long-range communications to ensure that no foreigner or rival outpost has wandered into the blast zone, or to confirm that no other party considers the seismic activity as a weapons test. This broadcast is historically documented in case something happens to the outpost, then people will know what / where they were digging before mounting rescues. This broadcast is acknowledged by anyone who receives the signal.

The third broadcast is transmitted in the ultra low frequency radio so that the wave travels through the core of the planet. This broadcast is a short and professional thank you, a grace for receiving the minerals. This broadcast is not answered.

>>54091166
How do you bow (prone) vertically upwards? Or straight downwards?

Martian Polar Ice becomes a trendy thing for wealthier colonists to acquire, as a status symbol. Most water in the closed system of colony hydro-cyclers are Earth Imported, so having actual Martian ice quarried and brought back to the habitat is seen as decadent and luxurious.

Because there are few polar outposts, and driving a rover train to the poles is dangerous and isolating, few people get this ice legitimately. Instead, lots of industrious scammers fabricate mini-outposts in the canyons near major colonies to freeze water, and put martian soil around the cubes to earn a quick profit selling this "polar ice"

>>54091206
Anti-gravity chambers, some kind of cord like in bungee jumping or some other space tech

>>54091068
Martians cant understand Venusians' top of the line rapping skills

Prior to the arrival of large sandstorms, colonists will build large decorative kites, and anchor them outside. As the storm hits, the colonists watch the satellite feeds, watching the dustbowl from above, trying to spot their kites.

Some gambling has developed around this, betting on which kites would be the first to be seen, or which might sink again under the dust, or if any kites might become untethered and drift away.

Different colonies treat them like sports teams, and brag to other colonies if their kites weathered the storms for longer.

>>54090989
All Tomorrow's.

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>>54091087
Some atheistfag with a hardon for christendom and all that it entails once did a brainstorm on how christianity(more specifically, orthodox christianity) would work on Mars on a forum.
The only thing that would change is that the liturgical calendar would be messed up.
Otherwise, you do your ad orientam, and your religious objects and rituals work in space as well.
Jurisdiction would be weird, though.
There is still a debate in catholicism under whom the Moon falls.

>>54091087
Landing site of the first muslim astronaut/settler. Or they just quietly drop the orienting towards mecca thing

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>implying islam will still be around by the time people start colonizing space

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>>54091274
>>54091166
You approach the muslim settlement of Ard'Ara
The uniformity of Mars still bleeds into these outskirts

As you pass the hills, gliding in a larger Rover, you start seeing a gigantic cube
After entering the gates, and doing the hospitalities, you get informed you need to wait a parts of a cycle to get accepted. As hospitality demands: you left most of your belongings inside your great scouting engine.
The waiting is tiresome, even with uneasy company and phased blocks of reading.
As you move into the building, it looks like its non eucilidan in nature, and you feel a nasuia.
As approuching the center, a area with transparant walls: A floating disc, you realize that gravity is mere distorted, and its facing in a odd direction. As your eyes adjust to the distorted light, you peek at the inner casing:
What you suppose is the sky is mars, is painted in odd geometrical shapes of red color, while the ground is painted with obsidian and vermilion. You feel a second layer of nausea, from realizing you are standing to the side

The center is near, the entrance at hand. You get stopped, and unusually get asked to do something as heretical as participating in washing you feet, and leaving your reinforced spring greaves at the massive water halls.
But as you have done that, and enter the center, you feel a disorientation you have not felt since a child, liberated from the tyranny of shoe shaped objects. You join the prayer, as you feel the discs slight vibration, and a slight discomfort.
But the bells tool, and you get to leave, as a compatriot.
Towards the pacing of time: you walk barefoot until you mount the Rover again, sensing you will miss this easy friendship, where men with bare feets can admire what they had lost since childhood

>>54093138
This is just the Commonwealth but with added /pol/ buzzwords. What a boring civ.

>>54091166
>Implying they are not so dead-set on facing Earth-Mecca that they will not construct a tilt-a-whirl chamber designed to orient itself at Earth at any time.

On the subject of religion on Mars, I doubt very much that any Martians would retain similar beliefs to modern Terrans.

The initial phases of colonisation call for highly specialised populations. Primarily scientists, engineers, horticulturalists and other mission-specific people. This leaves very little room for ministers of any sort of faith. These early settlers would bring their own faith with them, yes, but over generations, those beliefs would be remodeled to the requirements of their new environments.

One of the primary functions of religion within a nascent society is to create dogmatic adherence to certain principles, often aimed at safeguarding the society and its populace. I could well imagine lent or ramadan being co-opted as survival strategy during food shortages. Or sermons to be used to force isolated members of Martian society to interact with their fellow colonists, rather than going nuts.

This sort of separation and need to adapt could breed wholly new philosophies and religious practices in the Martian populace, perhaps to the point that Martian religion has no bearing on Terran religion.

Mars's lighter atmosphere has resuscitated the long-neglected industry of hot-air balloons and dirigibles. On some nights it can be hard to tell a high-flying zeppelin from one of the oblong moons zipping by in the sky

Dunno if it's been mentioned yet, but although an average Martian day is nominally only about 40 minutes longer than a Terran one, in reality Mars "wobbles" a fair bit more than Earth, such that a Martian day (called a sol, technically) can be up to 50 minutes shorter or 40 minutes longer than the average (on Earth the "wobble" is only about 14 minutes shorter or 16 minutes longer).

>>54093817
This is giving me ideas for my own setting, mars may have its own stuff but the real colony is on a terraformed venus, earth was taken over by a dictators hip and when it was toppled corporations took over it and mars, the various nations unhappy they didnt get earth back from the new order, founded a new colony on mars, likely full of traditional national values on its continents, inclung readapted religious values

>>54085863
I don't like the idea of there actually being life on Mars, though. I love the idea of tall tales about wandering Martians, or rumors of Martian cities somewhere in one of those canyons, but it's much better if it's just stories, and Mars really was as dead was we think it is nowadays.

For those of you who somehow did not stumble on this yet:
Read Ray Bradbury's Story about Mars.
There is - of course - Martian Chronicles. But he wrote a whole bunch of great stories taking place on Mars, often having strangely melancholic, magical or "casual" overtones. Look up Dark They Were, and Golden-Eyed, Million Dollar Picnic, Blue Bottle, The Martian Ghosts etc...

Ray Bradbury is really an underappreciated author.

>>54093859
Balloons are less buoyant in a thinner atmosphere...

>>54097279
The current working theory is that Mars was, at one point in the early solar system, a habitable world, before an object impacted it and did enough damage to destabilise the magnetosphere and disperse the atmosphere. So there probably are fossils on mars.

>The martian moon society is determined to make the martian skyline "prettier than earth's" by dragging Phobos and Deimos closer to the red planet
>They've been told this is a bad idea by every respectable astronomical agency in the system, yet they still persist in this behavior.

>>54099077
That'd be a fun twist for Venus, but obviously in Venus you'd need to make them out of something that won't get vaporized or dissolved, and I'm not sure how doable that is.

>>54098466
I second this notion. His ideas were idealized as like a retro future -> Where rockets were cigar shaped with fire coming out the bottom and sweet tail fins, mixed in with a kind of 1950's Americana. In the Martian chronicles, actually, there's a really gripping scene that describes a bustling soda shop / malt shop, and then explains how all around it (on Mars) the town has become like a ghost town over time. Like the American dream got to Mars, and then faded away like dust in the wind. Hits you right in the feels.

>>54101906

I think that mood could work with the dusty, dying "Trans-Martian Highway" idea mentioned earlier in the thread:
>>54085545
>>54085674

It could be like Mars' version of Route 66. It was important, even vital to the colonization effort once upon a time, and had a slew of settlements and homesteads built up along its length, but once the big cities had been established and high-speed rail lines built between them, the Trans-Martian Highway was largely abandoned by anyone looking to stay competitive and profitable.

I prefer Sword and Planet Mars more than old-school scifi Mars, but carry on.
Loving the thread.

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>>54091206
>>54091166
>>54091087
>>54093288
in actuality the fiqhi of this was sorted out in the 15 century by hanafi scholars they found that you should pray toward the direction earth rises in the sky, likewise on the moon you pray toward earth in general. what would be interesting is how Muslims would respond toward any rebellion against earth as they would perhaps be much more loyal.

>>54102327
Thanks for the response. Good to know.

>>54102163
As I recall, the Martian Chronicles had like a colony effort bringing people to Mars, but then a massive War on Earth brought most people back home. Or at least, more stopped coming. Then the colonies dried up.

Actually, it's been a while since I read him, but I really should give them another re-read. Good stuff.

Imagine that. Working your butt off in a Martian quarry / robot lab / scientific lab, and you look at the Earthrise. It's beautiful. The little blue dot of home. Obviously too small to see any detail, it looks like a particularly bright star, but throughout the day or night, you can track it through the sky. Until one night it flares a bit, and catches your attention unbidden. Your gut drops. You rush inside and pull up Earth satellite feeds. And then you see the pillars of fire, the atomic clouds bursting forth, dotting the landscape, and you know that as Earth burns, there is nothing you can do for it here. Your home planet, on fire, 225 million km away.

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>>54102786
I know what to do in that case.
>stay there on mars and get comfy while everyone else rushes off for their families
>end up dodging a sickeningly fat chick who now is the only other inhabitant of mars I know of
>learn to be happy alone
>mfw

>>54085759
Jesus I hate this austic retard that can't be bothered to pant things besides stickman.

In all his sciency panels there is always a stickman with girls hair, girls are not into science you unfunny freak.

>>54104079
I doubt anyone's going to go back. If you're lucky everyone you know back there is dead; if not they're going to wish they were when the fallout hits and the chaos starts. It's also almost certainly a one way trip.

>>54102786
>Martian mining, research and settlement is in full swing with ships packed with tech and people arriving bi-yearly
>Earth is kill
That would be great for a horror setting really. Martian penal legions revolt, ships get lost in space on their way to mars, things start to move in the wastes, etc.

>>54102327
>dues vult, kinda gay
Its literally the same as saying inshallah

>>54104135
Cry more retard.

>>54105836
That would be great. Actually, it reminds me of another space horror thread that could be of inspirational use:

>"Abandoned Moonbase Worldbuilding"

>OP requests ideas for encounters and backstory of a lunar outpost abandoned since nuclear war broke out on earth, now rediscovered by the rebuilt terrestrial civilization. Good ideas, nightmare fuel and Moon Morlocks result.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Abandoned+Moonbase+Worldbuilding

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>>54107321
it aint mine bruv, plus i am a former proddy so i dont love papist much

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>>54111233
also sorry i dint mean to turn the thread to shit with my image it just the only relent one i had.

but as for op
what about things like desert trickster sprits, who will leave you alone if you feed them like the jinn in Jewish mythology. these martian jinn mess up electronics and steal babies create mirages and steal the genesheep.

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if you spend to long in isolation, the god mars will speak to you. demanding that the blood must flow. hence hy so many isolated posted ending killing each other in a fury of violence

>>54111363
I can see that. Martian colonists don't really know what, exactly, is out there in all that dust and rock, but it likes to confuse and confound folk that travel across the red wastes. Maybe there are "shrines" or "offerings" left by the roadsides to try and appease these spirits.

>>54085032
Just a sign with the word "Croatoan" scratched into it

>>54102327
>how Muslims would respond toward any rebellion against earth as they would perhaps be much more loyal.

Probably the same way as whenever Saudi Arabia gets itself into trouble.


And by your logic christians and jews should also be super loyal to earth since Jerusalem is back there.
>tfw some cult pops up saying that Jesus flew to Mars after the resurrection because Mars is the real holy planet

It's a popular Martian tourist destination to travel to the "face" on Mars. Upon climbing the rim of the crater ridge that defines the mouth, to make as much noise as possible, using your rover's PA speaker. The sound echoes out the mouth and you get to be the "voice" of Mars for a while.

>>54104135
>this is you on [identity politics]

>>54111868
Not that anon but Muslims won't really be any more loyal to Earth than any other hypothetical martian. There's no central Muslim authority and as long mecca is controlled by Muslims, then they're fine.

But as for Chriatians, wouldn't the Vatixan fit better than Jurusalem? Would a martian rebellion be tempered if the Pope declares them as sinners?

Since Earth got glassed and the Nuclear Demilitarisation Convention was passed, people always suspected the Hegemony never followed through and instead stockpiled it in Sector 43.

MARS BELONGS TO THE RED FACTION, MARS AETURNUM, EDF SCUM LEAVE

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I'm running a game set on Mars, what kind of factions should i include? I already have tribals who are descended from first wave lost colonists.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I

>>54116323
>Mars-Corp
>Mars-Corp is the megacorporation that (sometimes only nominally) runs the current colonization efforts on the red planet. While never outright villainous, they are profit-driven and can be borderline incompetent on various issues that lie beyond their normal operating procedures, occasionally putting them at odds with the PCs.

>>54116323
>>54116429
>"Tribals" (Lost Colonists)
>Mars-Corp (Corporate Government)
>Martian Teamsters Union (Space Truckers)
>Dusters (Frontier Homesteaders)
>Church of Old Mars (Alien Cultists)

>>54116429
>>54116450
The truly important question, how do you do space tribes without going mad max?

>>54116541
Make them (mostly) passive survivors rather than aggressive raiders. Mars has no breathable atmosphere, so in order for them to live they need their old, broken down habitats and whatever technology they can scrounge up to keep them running. They're tribal in the fact that they only hold allegiance to their own habitat and not to any nation or corporation that might have sent them there. Maybe they're angry at Mars-Corp or Earth in general for sending them and then forgetting about them. Maybe they trade odd Martian relics and minerals for newer components for their habitats.

>>54115340
That's more or less what I was trying (and failing) to get at.

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Where would you guys put cities/towns? Wanting to make a red faction style sector map of mars.

>>54117729
Mariner Valley should probably be a huge settlement, steal the idea from The Expanse how every settler there no matter if they're from China, Brazil or Germany speaks like a Texan.

>>54117729
Have a town called watney something, after the character in The Martian.

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>>54115340
Very well in my mind, I always happen to associate spacnoid independence movements with colony drops. Something I don't believe any Muslim would be okay with considering the big status earth is given in the Quran. Hence my comment on how Muslims would react. Secondly while their is no Muslim central authority now it does not preclude their being one in the future. Either a shia CA with the wali faqhi as head or a sunni one with a caliph were one or both of these to exsit on earth they would be little chance of a believing Muslim ever joining martian rebles unless under explicit orders.

>t. Muslim convert with a second years degree in traditional Islamic legal sciences

>>54118230
Shut up, you fucking terrorist.

Every year, on august 5th the happy birthday can be heard near the site of curiosity's last known location, despite the fact that it was destroyed in an accident

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>>54118267
I dare say in all my years I have yet to encounter one who uses the tools of rhetoric as well as you do. 4chan is too small for you my dear friend, thou art greater than Seneca, ply your trade on the world stage and become a wordsmith of renown. For thou has througly insulted and humiliated me, with but one sentence, humiliated I for a home the sun shine bright and virgins smiles grin.oh man of internet glory let I the poor slave bask in the glory.

>Too stupid didnt read
>eat a shit covered Asian dick.

>>54118230
>considering the big status earth
What, Islam loves nature?

>>54111868
Marmons

>>54118389
It hates women, history and bacon, I mean after awhile what's left to love?

No one knows how, why or when this happened, but on a cliff rise, shielded from dust and wind overlooking the entire mariner valley, sits on an average lawn chair, a skeleton.Encased within an early model ares suit, with a Hawaiian shirt stretched around the torso segment, and beneath the visor, the skull is wearing a pair of aviator sunglasses. From the way the corpse is positioned in its chair, the skeleton looks quite happy with itself.

>>54085473
>>54085365
loving it.

In modern world war tech would be more important then gold.

It is of course situated inside a dormant vulcan. It is not just a stockpile of weapons but the industrial facilities to produce it.

It is more then a legend some pieces of tech surfaces here and there. For example a ring of negative capacity. If you heat it up it grows colder. Very dense probably made of muonic matter. People say it can be destroyed only in the Ares Forge.

Would be people live in tunnels or inflatables?

>>54088509
nice. I believe they need some OGM plants and cows that can survive in Mars atmosphere and cowboys to monitor them.

>>54088509
The resource sharing between cities is made by giant land ships.

You can't use aircraft due to low density atmosphere and railroads are too costy.

And if you car is big enough it need no road.

So you get a mix of pirate ships and camion drivers.

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>>54085225
>>54085545
>>54085674
>>54086688
Dare I ask if any of you have read Ray Bradbury's the Martian Chronicles, or have seen the miniseries? Lots of ghost stories there.

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>>54085464
Yas it is.

Yas it is.

Mars used to be considered the next great step in human civilisation but advances in technology made Venusian surface mining viable and led to most big countries and corporations devoting their time to colonising Venus instead. The great golden age of mars that people expected never fully formed and now the planet is left half terraformed with atmosphere and civilisation only present in the deep valleys and canyons. Mars is however still a wild and untamed frontier and without mega-corporations on superpowers meddling too much in its affairs mars may be the last place in the solar system where a man can claim no allegiance to any but himself and strike out to make his way in the world

Mars hippies! They tradition imposes to go barefoot on mars surface to be able to feel the planet. At first it is very cold and painful but after a few month your feet adapt.

They are the only ones that tries actively to terraform Mars and try to produce OGM organisms adapted to local conditions..

>You will never be able

>>54119901
I've read the Martian Chronicles, but it was a long, long time ago.

I like this characterization we seem to be building of Mars becoming this "New Wild West" where enterprising where adventurous folk from Earth can go and find their fortunes, but more often than not find hardships and harmful haunts instead.

>>54116323
> super religious frontiersmen (space Amish)
> hardcore futurists who are augmented enough to need minimal life support
> genetically modified spacers who shun purestrain humans

Martian frontier settlers can often only go outside in sealed airtight suits which results in only their faces getting any sun. This leads to dusters tan where a persons face is heavily tanned but not anywhere else in their body. Dusters tan is so synonymous with frontier culture that settlers will often refer to people from more civilised parts( especially earth) with the derogatory term paleface

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These are kinda freaky.

>>54119901
>>54121542

I was literally just talking about this with my wife as I was reading her stories from this this thread.

The book is really great, it kinda meanders at parts, but it's a really interesting collections of stories.

The time line gets all freaky, but it's definitely worth a read.

Anyone knows if scientific centers on the south pole have superstitions?

>>54122319
Apparently it's customary for everyone left on the winter skeleton crew to watch The Thing together after everyone else has left

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>>54122319
I don't know about superstitions, but there is at least one chapel that looks eerily out of place down there.

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>>54121958
"Another would-be explorer planning a trip to Tharsis, huh? I wouldn't. The air up in the highlands is so thin you'll need supplemental O2 tanks the whole time you're up there. And if you make it past the plateau -" The old man pauses. "Jesus christ, you're heading for Cydonia, aren't you? Should've said you wanted to kill yourself, son, I'll go get the Winchester and shoot you here. It won't hurt half as much as what'll happen if you go out there. There's things out in those highlands no human was meant to see. I was there when the Authority opened the Gates, boy, listen to me. The only thing up there is a painful death if you're lucky."

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>>54122679
fucking ruskies.
They even sent the patriarch (church head) down there.

>>54119901
It was the one where they awaken a powerful martian weapon that proceeds consuming everyone on the planet again?

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>>54123230
>>54122679
And now I discover that sometimes the snow goes away at the Antarctica.

>>54122679
Wooden construction on Mars are only temples.
It costs a lot to build something out of wood.

Also how do martians produce their plastc if no oil is on mars?

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>>54123245
Don't forget, Antarctica is a desert. Just a very cold one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Dry_Valleys

>>54123265
Biopolymers? Specially grown martian plants in large industrial greenhouses that are turned into a sort of plastic
>>54121363
Wouldnt it be easier to mine the belt? Venus is a harsh planet, it gets worse the lower you go.

>>54123265
They'd either have to import it or find something else to make it with.

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>>54119926
Sometimes, you have to just applaud at the level they take it.

>>54123484
Sure it's probably easier to mine the belt but thematically I like the idea of martians hating venusians. Plus I've seen a couple of articles stating that Venus is a better candidate for colonisation than mars

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Mars of course would have sailing stones.

Giant boulders that year after year cross the desert but no one ever see them moving.

Tales speak of a guy who tried making an angel stature out of one of those boulders but apparently he and the work in progress disappeared.

The angel as called pinocchio

>>54123901
I like this idea a lot.

>>54117321
Wouldn't that be neat, dude in old suit with a giant blade made of ancient parts. Sounds like an optional boss in a Martian fantasy game.

>>54111716
>curiously, the words of one of the search party members when those words were found was simply "oh, no, not again."

>>54085093
>>54084756
>Dusters

Usually a term used to describe anyone who wanders the wilds of the martian wastelands and the barren deserts, they're seen as a mix of gypsies and cowboys, viewed as mysterious heroes or omens of trouble.

Among the more common tales is the Duster band of Captain Jamie Dawson. Once a renowned war hero who died in the revolution to to a band of outlaws, it's said his people still wander the sands of Mars, lending aid to those who find themselves out numbers and out gunned by criminal Scum.

Another infamous Duster is The Undertaker. The Undertaker has been known to appear in small towns, shortly before someone dies in a rather tragic and horrific way.

Bump.

Doctors are highly regarded in frontier towns. Medical professionals, (and the medicine they carry) are rare and seldom seen. They are often invited to dine with each family that can spare a seat at a table.

Knowing this, scammers looking for a free meal find it easy to scrounge up a labcoat, or a fancy bag, and fake it enough to grift their way through the dunewastes and outpost stations, before jumping town shortly after botching surgeries, or giving half-apologetic excuses (wrong medicine, it's too far gone, so sorry).

>>54130382
I love how this fits in with the wild-west theme.

What other sorts of Wild-West or Weird-West ideas can be applied to a colonial Martian setting?

>Daring robberies of Mars-Corp supply trains
>Bounty hunters and rangers seeking fugitives
>Mines suffering from mysterious accidents
>Old feuds held over from far too long ago
>Gun fights at high-noon between gunslingers

>>54132199
>Las-gun slinging dust bandits regularly get into scrapes with the mysterious and nomadic wasteland tribes

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>>54123723
I had an idea on how we could mine Venus, build a funnel/ elevator that connects to the peak of Maxwell Montes, then just dig through the mountain and mine underground, using the mountain as the mine 'entrance', dont know how viable that is but thats what i got.

Venus would be a great place for avionics, materials research and energy production however.

>>54111363
>>54111699
>Mars with a touch of Arkunasha;
I like.

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>>54123230
>They even sent the patriarch (church head) down there.
Honestly, orthodoxy has that weird eclectic relationship with science that's hilarious for an outsider, but doesn't bat an eye for a "native".

Yes, those are romanian priests blessing a particle accelerator. Because of course.

>>54132549
>>54132199

The more I think of it, the more I like the idea of a colonial Martian setting borrowing inspiration from Middle Eastern, Australian and the Wild Western histories and mythologies. You can have trickster spirits drawing folk out into the Red Wastes to die, bandits like Ned Kelly becoming folk-legends, and Duster frontiersman out to seek their fortunes.

>>54102786
I like the idea of starting a campaign several decades after this event. Earth had successfully colonized the Moon, and the Martian colonization effort was well under way. Then tensions between the Moon and Earth started building, ending in a nuclear war. Now Mars is alone in the universe, a multitude of half-finished colonies struggling to survive in the dusty wastes of an alien world.

>>54090992
Ends with ships towing exact copies of themselves. Just in case.

>>54132677

I like this idea too. The Martian settlers are alone now on their red rock, cut off from their home planet both in terms of support and in a more spiritual sense. Even if there were people yet alive on the Moon and on Earth, they've got their own post-apocalyptic problems to deal with and in no way can send anything in the form of aid or comfort to the peoples of Mars.

>>54125947
I've heard of Jamie Dawson before. However, it was from a deck hand on orbital station three who see up and down that the station was haunted, and that you can hear some sort of percussion music if you stop to listen in empty cargo bays. He even had some sort of weird hat that he said proved his case

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What is the Martian Military like? Is it a militia, PMC, standing colonial guard, etc?

>>54132921
Would people decompose in a lifeless environment like Mars? It feels like you'd wind up with desiccated mummies rather than skeletons.

>>54133038
I think that the skeleton still has its space suit on, which (presumably?) would trap all its microorganisms in with it upon death. I assume that they allowed for the decomposition.

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>>54132898
Mosins on Mars

>>54099077
Lower gravity, though. Might be enough of a trade-off to achieve lift.

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>The most commonly reported phenomenon on the red planet is that of anomalies appearing in photographs and on video recordings. While scientists insist that most examples that you hear about are nothing more than cases of pareidolia, of people seeing shapes and patterns where there are none, there are some famous pieces of evidence that they cannot or perhaps will not explain.

>>54121512
>At first it is very cold and painful but after a few month your feet adapt.
You mean, turn black and fall off?

>>54133091
>Marsin nagat

I haven't played Eclipse Phase but anyone who did what are interesting elements we could salvage?

>>54130382
Towns are distant but we have good communication technology. Mostly satelite internet.

Scamming such a system would be hard.

>>54132549
reading about it now.
I love the idea of Mars being the relict of an ancient civilization (which is classic 1900 sci fi, Mars is far future: ancient civis, Venus is far past: dinos and busty bikini barbarians) taht is roamed by ghosts of old.

Some take the form of rust storms: metallic particles disturb all electromagnetic communications and some settlers swear strange voice are added to transmitions.
Others inhabit long discarded suits and robots.
A few trick travellers.

Some start inhabiting human houses and act as gremlins/house spirits.

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>>54133072
But if the suit isn't breached and life support stayed working long enough for his microfauna to convert him into a spooky skeleton, what killed the guy?

>>54133960
Perhaps he got stabbed, and although the suit sealed the breach, he remained critically injured inside. Or perhaps he saw something terrifying and had a heart attack. Or maybe he'd been lost for so long that he simply died of old age, out in the Martian badlands with no one to mourn him.

Achieved the thread on Sup/tg/. Feel free to bookmark it or vote it up if you care to:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Martian+Myths+and+Legends

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>>54084756

> "It is said that when the sun sets on the Winter Solistice on Mars, the spirits of the dead stir from the red sand and crawls forth from the Valles Marineris to hunt the living..."

>" Oh come now, do you really believe in those Duster Ghost stories?"

> "Once... I was Within 8 Klicks of Hebes Chasma fourteen years ago, Setting up a pre-fab shelter off my rover before the night fell... It was a Sunset much like this one."
> "Just as I was placing in the last Anchorpoint, the last few rays of the sun vanishing beyond the horizon... I... Felt colder than usual.. and as I glanced off towards the last rays in the haze... I saw something crest the hill... A lump-like shape that moved, and from what looked to be it's head twin pairs of pinpoint blue light...

>"It could have just been a rover, lots of them roaming these hills, or a fallen weather ba-"

"Except my son... It was joined by three other sets that burned in the twilight... Watching me... I did the only reasonable thing in my mind... I Left the shelter, and drove as far and as fast as I could safely go to reach the next settlement 79 klicks away"

I've heard talk from twitchy-looking Dusters 'bout there being something in the bigger dust storms....humanoid shapes, wearing outdated spacesuits. They say these things are the ghosts of failed colonization attempts, looking for a commlink to call a Mission Control that's long abandoned them. As the guy put it, if they catch you out in the storm, they take you, make you join 'em on their search. But hell if I believed that crazy bastard, he was probably freaking out from stim withdrawl.

>>54089174
He appears if you stare into a mirror and say "Ziggy Stardust" three times

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>>54133038
>>54133072
>>54133960
>>54134038
If the suit was intact, some microorganisms would go dormant when the oxygen ran out while anaerobic organisms would finish the job. If the suit was compromised, external forces would probably make it faster. I'm not sure about mummification, that's more viable if you have a dead astronaut in a vacuum or a space body with no atmosphere.
To be honest, if there is one thing I want scientists to experiment with is decomposition of bodies in these conditions. It may sound weird but it's something I started thinking about looking at pictures like >>54086358 and this one. I suppose it's morbid curiosity.

How soft would your sci fi have to be to modify organisms to survive the Martian atmosphere? It's mostly carbon dioxide, so they'd need to have a respiratory system closer to a plant's than an animal's, but would it be possible for something to breathe in that thin an atmosphere?

>>54135215
Microbes could, not so sure about anything bigger.

>>54123723

Colonization as in floating cities exploiting a sweetspot in the 40-50km layer where you can walk around without a suit, only a mask.

But Mars beats Venus in sheer real estate and exploitability; you can mine easily on Mars (with easy access to the belt), not so much on venus. Best Venus can do is ship out loads of carbon nanotubes and graphene.

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>>54115340
>But as for Chriatians, wouldn't the Vatixan fit better than Jurusalem?
*Catholics
>>54132607
>not blessing everything

>>54135215
Cyanobacteria are already on the short list for Mars terraforming. They can survive in Martian conditions and even space, and they convert CO2 to oxygen. So cropdusting the countryside with them is probably going to feature in most terraforming plans.

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OP here, when this thread dies, you guys want a Venus thread?

Reading Planetes right now. Getting all the right comfy feels from it.

>>54136136
How in the name of god would you ever get the Moon to retain an atmosphere?

Also yes, if you think we can generate enough content for it to be worth it.

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>>54136176
Best pic i can find, but shell worlds. Build a big, glass thing shell around the moon to forcibly keep the atmosphere in, would shield it from radiation too.

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>>54100454

That's the 'something hit the northern basin' theory. Looking at a map of Mars, like so, maybe something split in half and hit over Isidis and Tempe.

The theory also comes out due to the fact that if the Northern Basin *was* an ocean, it doesn't have a lot of features an ocean would have. But I'm no ocean geologist, I dunno. It does look really plain compared to a map of the atlantic or mediterranean, but that's just from a glance.

>>54136176

The Moon still has gravity. Pump enough into it, and something will be retained, even a thousand years will be better than nothing. The problem is getting the atmosphere there in the first place and maintaining it while you get to that stage.

And like >>54136206 said, you can para-terraform: a huge shell over the planet to retain an atmosphere. See here: orionsarm com/eg-article/47bcf1bdc2cef

>>54136206
>>54136259
Goodness me, I never thought of that. Building a shell around an entire orbital body...

Be like living in a fishbowl.

>>54136289

It all depends on the parameters of terraforming, but making a huge shell does, at first glance, seem a lot more feasible for the Moon and even Mars. After all, they *lost* their atmospheres; it's not foolish to assume that we, in our technological infancy full of hubris, can't replicate the process of how they obtained their atmospheres in the first place - but we can do a stopgap measure, and if the end result gives us rolling green fields and standing water, who cares if the planet has a dome over it or not?

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>>54136136
Hell yes.
Venus is my jam

How would mars deal with losing contact with Earth/ the rest of the system?

has someone archived this thread?

>>54137709
>>54134428
Already done.

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>>54136852
Venus has too much atmosphere, Mars doesn't have enough, maybe we could siphon some of one to the other and balance everything out?

You ever heard of Ares' Coital Stone?
It's just another fucking rock

The Duster. A ghostly figure said to require being appeased by spilling water on the sands of Mars, or he will put sand into your suit's joints and your foreskin/labia. The planetary boogyman.

>>54138052
6/10, I sniggered.

So, this may be wishful thinking, but would it be possible to live underground on uninhabitable planets (Like Mars) so we could create a breathable atmosphere and shit in a closed environment like that?

I had an idea a long time ago about mars being a mining planet with huge underground railways and column-cities and shit dug out in silo-like holes in the ground.

>>54138673
It'd be easier than building a big dome over a whole planet, I guess, but you'd have some trouble powering everything if the core was dead.

>>54138673
Yes. Subterranean living might be the best option for places like mars and luna, protecting colonists from meteor storms and radiation. And breathable air can be created in a closed off environment via hydroponics, gardens and electrolysis of water , which can be gotten from the abundant water ice in the martian poles and wastes.

>>54138673

Like literally Moria?

The current plans for colonization already pin heavily on old lava tubes. Those could be huge; connect a few and you'll have your idea.

>>54139312
>>54138673
Mars railways? i like it.

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What about life? should it be only in small fossils? covered up, public knowledge? ancient mars animal clones, so on.

>>54140055
Well, normally I'd say just fossils, but I have always wanted the opportunity to shout:
>Martian Rock Snakes! The legends are true!

>>54137825
Easier just to bombard them both with rocks from the main belt.
Mars gets icy rocks at lower speeds, Venus gets big rocky rocks that blast off chunks of atmosphere when they hit.

Or, alternatively, construct a fuckhuge sunshade between Venus and the sun, wait for the atmosphere to freeze out, and then ship that shit to Mars with mass drivers.

Anyone have that story of that one DM dragging his group through a mars campaign where he put them entirely underground, turned the heat up on them, etc? It was a horror game.

>>54140308
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12130366/

This one?

>>54117729
By ancient tradition, first started out of a sense of grandiosity, all wars are declared, all treaties signed, and all constitutions written in the solar system are done on the peak of mount Olympus.

>>54117729

Everywhere along the equator, for one. Mars can hold space elevators as is. Grab google earth and find:

Crater Edom in Crater Schiaparelli, around E 14-30'. Unnamed crater at E 63-15'. Crater Lipany, E 79-45'. Unnamed crater at E 88-54, which is right next to a dry river and close to the potential martian ocean, that one could become big and powerful, and there's another crater next to it. Crater Escalante, E 115-30'. Crater Nicholson, W 164-30'. Three unnamed craters at W 65. The island in Baetis Chaos, W 60-15' - also good if water returns to Mars.

Why craters? Not to dome them. Their walls make good borders, is all.

Beyond that? The whole of Hellas, which could become a good lake. Same with Argyre. And then little craters out there in the desert like Newton, especially for more secretive sects.

>>54084756
Considering that the second or third generation martian will rebel against humanity out of sheer greed and vanity, the myth that humanity is spawned from mars will be really popular and that earthlings are actually a bunch of inhuman, alien bloodsuckers in disguise. I mean what do they know, the monthly resource buss is unmanned and THEY demand your hard earned OUR SHIT. If body modification hits off they'll make themselves more like "little green men" to prove their martian purity.

God I can't wait for the literal autism that will be the mars colonists, sad that I'm probably gonna die before the whole thing is even started.

>>54084767
Man, fuck John Carter.

>>54142524
This needs to happen, however far-off the future is

>>54091166
>implying the muslims are capable of anything other than blowing themselves up and murdering each other over sand

>>54145302
During the muslim golden ages they did
But then the retarded-ass sects got into politics
It's been nasty ever since

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>>54089035
Hardly...

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>In the Elysium Mons region, old machines left over from the first colonial war have seemingly built their own city

>>54147648
Oh hey, a fellow Urbani!

Edge of Space Bump

WARP DRIVE BUMP

How would Mars topography and atmosphere effect things like air travel and long range communication, through say radios?

>>54156148
I'm no expert but mars' thin atmosphere would probably mean most air travel happens by rocket or by planes with very large wings in order to get lift. Mars lack of a atmosphere or proper magnetic field also mean that the suns radiation could interfere with long range communications

>>54145302
They were up until we fucked it all up and led to the psychos getting in power. But that's irrelevant to Mars.

>>54125947
>the Duster band of Captain Jamie Dawson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4
mah nigga

>>54156442
That might make a trans-Martian highway or railroad even more economically viable, which would heighten the Old Western feel of the setting.

Bump

>>54084793
That article is very poorly written.

>genetically modified/mutated animals escape from the laboratory and now inhabit the planet
What kind of animals would scientists use and what modifications and adaptions would they be given to survive on Mars?

>>54164617
Cold weather animals? Big radiation resistant mammoths.

>>54164644
The biggest issue is the atmosphere. It's damn near all carbon dioxide, and worse yet, It's paper thin compared to ours. Depending on how soft your sci-fi is you might be able to handle the latter problem by creating some kind of plant hybrids, but I'm not sure how you could solve the pressure issue and maintain plausibility.

>>54165056
>pressure issue
I doubt it will be a big problem. organism can live very deep underwater so 1 atm less should not be so hard. Main problem was water evaporating but you solve it by tougher skin.

>>54158491
Unfortunately, with the United Arab Emirates already planning to colonize mars it may already too late to quarantine jihad to a single planet.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/16/the-uaes-ambitious-plan-to-build-a-new-city-on-mars/

>>54084756
not Mars but...
"Look I know that all studies say Titan never developed life, that the ethanol-based lifeforms was a thought experiment by scientists and nothing more. but I will tell you I was on Xanadu doing geological survey of the hillsides, and I've had no less than 2 solar panels, a spare oxygen tank, and and entire tool box worth of equipment disappear on me during that survey. It's not like Titan has a lot of colonies so I ask you what happened to that equipment?"

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>>54165831
>On dim, cold Titan, Saturn's giant moon, stovebellies might live - perhaps by the icy shores of a methane sea. To avoid freezing, they keep fires burning inside their bodies. How? Stovebellies eat ice, which forms much of Titan's surface. Their fuel is made up of oxygen from the ice and methane from the dense atmosphere. By squirting flame like a rocket, they can make long leaps in Titan's low gravity. Amphibious fishimanders like to crawl out of the sea and cuddle by a handy stovebelly for warmth - until their host blasts off, sending its guests flying.

From the National Geographic Picture Atlas of Our Universe, by Roy A. Galant

>>54165493
I wasn't clear - I mean the pressure issue regarding respiration. How's anything going to inhale enough to actually survive at 1/200th the air, even if they can breathe carbon dioxide?