>Want to make the primary creator deity of my setting female>Want to make the 'satan' character a male who was supposed to be wed to her in cosmic marriage, but he was evil and so she rejected him and gave birth the world alone, free from the touch of the dark god>Dark God is enraged and wants to make all living things suffer and fall under his iron rule because he was denied the first women>Dark God fathers all monsters by raping/breeding with animals and mortals and their twisted children grow into the various evil beings in the settingDoes this make me sound like an SJW?
>>54724370why worry about it? If you think it'll work go for it
>>54724370Not unless you make it sound preachy.
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>>54724370Not really. Its pretty typical for "Creation" and "life" Deities to be represented as women. There are plenty of myths about gods being so spiteful that they pull some pretty horrific shit and a lot of monsters exist because someone couldn't keep it in their pants. Just don't make it super preachy or pic related and you should be fine.
>>54724370>women good>men evil>does this make me a SJW?Yes.
>>54724370Add in some good male deities and some evil female deities. Problem solved.
>>54724370why rejected?She loves him, he loves her, he just happens to be evil and shitThey both made the world, him the bad parts and her the good parts. He ruins good shit because he's jealous of how much she cares for the world and wants to be the only thing she loves.
>>54724370Nature is evil. She makes women slaves to the moon, prisoners in their own bodies, and she subjects men to endless frustration and restlessness until they dash themselves to pieces in wars, capsizings, crashes and suicides. She kills all in sudden floods, mudslides, pandemics, and melts our bodies back into the collective filth and gooGod, Allah, Yaweh, Jupiter, Tengri, the Emperor, the Sky God is evil in a different way; his followers are so driven to cut away nature that they kill anything that is "decadent, degenerate, base, creeping", i.e. rotten: overly, unhealthily natural. God has always been a fascist
>>54724370Sorry but I've got to agree with >>54724416 here. You made the central female figure of the setting literally everything good in the world and the central male figure everything bad. You are an SJW.If you added more deities, made the creation of monsters an unintended consequence of consensual sex because of mortal animals/women can't handle divine essence. Hell if you made the male god's reasoning something other than "ragh, this woman didn't let me have sex with her, now I'm going to destroy everything" it would go a long way to unfucking your setting.
>>54724370skip the rape part and its perfectly fineignore fags like >>54724416 that hate all creativity
>>54724370In reality, the guy being evil would make her wet. Thus mankind was born, and everything in history following naturally from that fact
>>54724514So if he made the central male figure good and female bad what would that make him? Besides making both characters genderless, what other way is there to deal with it?In response to OP, don't over think it. I guarantee you none of your players will point that sort of thing out, or care that much about it
>>54724590Maybe he had a reason for saying that other than hating creativity/women?
>>54724370Sounds coolLiterally the worst thing you can do is ask the internet for feedback. You've already poisoned the well.RIP
>>54724370You know, as a side note, girls love bad boys. As a female PC, being a setting with manly rape monsters could actually be a lot of fun. It's the whole Persephone / Hades thing, or the Bride of Dracula thing, a goal a girl might actually aim for.
>>54724633Don't act like a robot
>>54724650sorry but there's no other explanation for a knee-jerk response like that
>>54724508So, uh... what're you going for here?
>>54724464I like this. I had originally planned to make the world-mother die in childbirth but her still being alive means this still works.
>>54724370Yes.Doesn't mean you are one, but it does sound a bit like some an SJW would come up with.
>>54724370OP I'm a cis het white male and I think your idea sounds cool. If you like it, roll with it.
>>54724370It depends how much emphasis you put on it. If everyone and their grandmother knows and espouses that the female god is the god of goodness and good things and that she's so good and holy and good and all good things come from her innate female goodness, while the male god is the god of all evilness, and all evil things came from his evil ejaculations of evil where his evil cock throbbing with evil spewed evil everywhere and did evil things with the evil his evil male essence eviled-up, then yeah, that'll come off poorly.If you mention it as background knowledge, don't have a majority of people feel all men are evil just because the god of evil happened to be male, or, if you do, don't put them in a positive light, you should be fine.
>>54724666Checked. But you're still retarded.
>>54724370As log as you have his cultists screaming "REEEEEE" as they attack the party it's cool on my book.
>>54725098Do not look to the sky, or the earth for answers.For only the inquisitor shall know the truth.
>>54724370If this is the plot that came to your mind then you don't sound like an SJW, you are one.
>>54725139The Emperor Protects ;^)
>>54724370Make the evil character a little more sympathetic, perhaps despite being betrothed by their families earth mother had already found love to another being (sky, time etc)
>>54725158Chaos is the only true answer.
>>54725180why not both?
>>54724370Apart from the rape this is pretty classical in jrpgs>only God is a benevolent goddess that everybody worships>You have to kill the male demon lord, the source of all evil It just depends how much you focus on specific parts of the story.Make the evil god's second in command a demoness who's head over heels for him and only wants his undying love
>>54725162Or have the earth mother get the dude fired from his job as a god for making a dirty joke, and then divorce him and take 3/4 of the heavens. He can only influence the mortal realm weekends, so now he drinks. "Don't you know there ain't no devil? There's just God when he's drunk"
>>54724671Yes, but you're bad in the 'I'm shit' kind of way. Girls are looking more for the 'Mr. Grey' kind of bad.
>>54725214I can't tell if you're being serious or not
>>54725228I'm bad like the movie Attack of the Clones
>>54724370As long as there are no humans and only nephilim, it'll work.
>>54725180>>54725186Warhammer 40k's has such longevity in part because the struggle of a literally or spiritually armored man (Space Marine) against the tides of nature (Tyranids), degeneracy and corruption of form (Chaos), benighted barbarians (Orks) and eastern stagnancies (Eldar, Tau) perfectly embodies the coldness and severity of the Western mentality since antiquity
>>54724370If I recall correctly it was well done in Sláine comic with Danu and Horned God. Look it up for inspiration.>Does this make me sound like an SJW?Most of times it always boil down to how you represent such plot elements.
>>54725239Why should that matter to you?
>>54724370It sounds tame... by greek mythology standards. "SJW" is not something I would take seriously because I only ever saw people complaining about them.The >Dark God fathers all monsters by raping/breeding with animals and mortals and their twisted children grow into the various evil beings in the settingSounds a bit much. Might create controversy without really gaining anything, although this depends entirely on your intended audience. May I suggest that the Dark God can't really father anything because he lacks the power of creation? So he is limited to corrupt the goddess' work, be it land, flora or fauna. Some become a specific beast, others perpetuate an entire race of monsters. In this setting, evolution itself might be the Mother creating new things to counter the corrupted forms made by Father.I can't help but see that the ideal resolution for this setting would be finding reconciliation and balance. Yin and Yang need to make up. This would require that the Dark God grants and/or represents some positive quality that the goddess hasn't: agression, iniciative, strength, power or perhaps change itself?
>>54725369I guess it doesn't you're a shithead spewing the sort of exaggerated caricatures I'd expect from r9khave a good day then kys
>>54725440He's not wrong that divorce and child custody fights are really shitty for guys, but that's more an indictment against the Judiciary and it's lack of accountability.
>>54724370If it's just the origin ur pretty much set. If you go and make every individual male evil and every individual female good then ur gunna run into people feeling heavy handed message pushing.
>>54724370It sounds like you're both an SJW and you're pulling players into your magical realm.So, sounds fine. Go for it.
>>54724514>Satan is evil so all male character in game are automatically badNot going to say that you think like an SJW, but you do
>>54724508Fascism is the highest expression of the human spirit.
>>54724370>but he was evilThe gayest thing. This means nothing and explains nothing. Where did the gods come from, and why were they "supposed to" create the world together. and didn't notice their differences before? And make the reason for the falling out more concrete, such as "We shall walk the lands together and take pleasure and rule as we see fit" vs. "Let's make something beautiful and independent and watch it from afar"
>>54724370No good god would create humans.
>>54724370Up until the rape part it was fine.
>>54724514You just sound like a fucking reverse-SJW. Stop sucking so much dick you fucking faggot.
no.>>54724412this. you've got an evil god of the underworld, that's typical. you've got a good god of creation, that's typical. the only bit I'm concerned with is the rape part but that's common in greek mythology so whatever
>>54726344In all honesty, reverse-SJWs are better than SJWs. The former are simply arguing for sanity and common sense, while the latter are arguing for batshittery. It's like if Guy A wants to impose a dress code, while Guy B wants to put on a dog costume and hump your leg. Obviously Guy A is the reasonable dude.
>>54724370Skip the rape part, the dark god could just create things, or corrupt the primordial mother creations, add some male demigods, sons of the primordial mother on the good side, some female demigods on the evil side and it will be fine.You could make them an actual couple, since evil is necessary for good to exist, kinda like an Yin-Yang kind of thing. The people worship her and despise him, guided by the priethood, when they are actually two sides of the same primordial life and not knowing that by hating him they make him stronger, since he is evil and shit.
>>54726403ReverseSJWs aren't anti SJWs. Person 1 wants everyone to have a dress code. Person 2 wants to wear a dog costume and hump your leg. Person 3 wants anyone who owns a dog costume or a dog to be shot.
>>54726488You know, if I had to pick between 2 or 3, I'm still sort of leaning towards 3.
>>54724370mindfuck the players by having them meet another culture that worship the same goddess/god but reversed, so the goddess is dark and the god light.and they are both right!
>>54726488Ayyy. That third one is me. Though also 1 and 2.
>>54724640Hades was a nice guy compared to others, if you want a bad boy go for Zeus or Apollo. Even Aphrodite was far worse than Hades.The only bad thing he did was take Persephone by force, but he did it once, while the other gods did it a bunch of times.
>>54726403>being offended by a setting because it has at least one good female character and at least one evil male character>"I just want sanity and common sense"These statements do not match.
>>54725969creating and being loyal to your own ideals is the highest expression of the human spirit
>>54726509You want to force everyone to wear dog costumes and shoot each other?
>>54724640Female Rape Monsters would be quite nice too.That's why I like Slaanesh, gods should not be held back by human animal's biology.That entire creation myth could be an argument between gods that can change their sex regarding to who would be the women.Somehow this sounds even more SJW with the added gender bendingness fluidity.
>>54726403>One evil female God and one good male GodSJW "There has to be a quota for good female gods">One evil male God and one good female GodAnti-SJW"There has to be a quota for good male gods"Sound like whiny faggots to me
>>54726556Yes, yes that's where I was going with that. Good job.
>>54726539Hades was weirdly monogamous for a Greek deity. Also a lot less prone to pettiness, though maybe that comes woth being Lord of the Dead.
>>54724370>primary creator deity is male>'satan' character is female who was supposedd to be wed to him in cosmic marriage but she was evil and so he rejected her and masturbated and ejaculated the world, free from the touch of the dark god>Dark God is enraged and wants to make all living things suffer because she was denied the dick>Dark God mothers all monsters by spawning them from her vile tenebrous cunt
>>54726593>Female Rape Monsters would be quite nice too.yeeees
>>54726638That sounds a bit like Lilith
>>54726638Well, they say hell hath no fury...
>>54724640>>54726593>>54726643/d/ makes me want both on the same monster
>>54724370No, you sound like a man with a fetish.You'll have a hard time though due to your PCs seeing the Big Bad Dark God as anything except a whiny beta virgin bitch. I mean, seriously, he couldn't get with the ONLY woman the dawn or creation? Nigga clearly has no game.
>>54724370not really, but only because an SJW wouldn't use rape in their story anywhere
>>54724370If you're worried of appearing like one enough to ask, then no. A true SJW would brag about it.
>>54724370Why does a deity even need a gender. Make them have feminine or masculine qualities sure, but assigning them a clear gender seems needless and preachy
I'm thinking of something along the lines of:>creator deity is a female. she plans to give birth to a "good" world>she gets raped by the evil male deity>she gives birth to a world where both good and evil exist
>>54724370Beyond stupid. Stop making gods, start making religions you fucking low-minded cretin. Have a single fucking ounce of creativity.
My only suggestion is do not make tgis about goof or evil because a god should be above such concepts
>>54727009I'm not even OP; I'm genuinely trying to understand what the fuck you're trying to get across, but you're way too far up your own ass.You seem to think that what you're saying has more meaning than it actually has.
>>54724370T H I C C
>>54727147Stop making pantheons, divine fanclubs, these stupid fucking little 'gods' and 'mythologies'. Make religions, root them in philosophy and culture. Recognize that the origin of divinity is assignment by worshipers, not innate. A being of power, no matter how significant, is not divine until someone decides to treat them that way. This stupid little anthropomorphism is agonizingly juvenile and trite. Be even the slightest bit fucking creative and do something with your setting so that it's at least remotely believable and relatable. Just, fuck, take yourself seriously enough to do something worthwhile instead of just shitting out the lowest-common denominator DnD-ready-schlock.
>>54727147Beyond foolishness! Stop playing D&D and write a novel instead. Fuck it, stop writing novels, that's pleb shit. Write a philosophy book and illustrate it yourself. Grow beyond this "having fun" bullshit and start your own cult in a American midwest, like a real man.
isn't this essentially a gender-reversed story of Izanagi and Izanami from Japanese mythology?
>>54726621>that tale in which some nymph hoe was all over Hades's godly dick>but he still went "No way, fag" because he is a married man>the nymph ended up so friendzoned that she cried herself to death>bitch was so pathetic that even Persephone, the very same chick that she tried to cuck, took pity on her and turned her on a plant or some shit
>>54727258>Look at this weeb he played persona 4
>>54727258Nah, Izanagi was legit a faggot who bailed out on his waifu.
>>54724370Yes, it does.
>>54724412>Its pretty typical for "Creation" Deities to be represented as womenVery few mythologies have the creator deity be a woman.
>>54724370So the divine male essence is innately a negative figure and the divine female essence is positive. That innately implies that all men are naturally evil.
>>54724370Your pantheon is shitty, not necessarily for social justice reasons. Stop making your gods one dimensional.
>>54727659I would like to point out that in chinese mysticism, that is the opposite. Yang is the male essence, bright, powerful, giving, energetic. Yin, the female essence, is dark, receiving, empty, and passive.Mind you, this is a gross oversimplification complicated by the fact that Yin and Yang are not absolutes, as any given thing is yin to another and yang to another.
>>54727692Yin and Yang are also not innately good and evil and require each other to be complete, unlike anon's story.
>>54727258Izanami only turned evil when her husband saw her rotten maggot face after she died and ran scared.
>>54724370Just make the god gender less. Like they take the form of whatever suits them at the time. Problem solved.
>>54724370Depends on your players. I think it sounds interesting, like the religion of ancient civilization where the female was viewed with a sort of awe for her ability to give birth and therefore sustain a society.
>>54724370I mean most of those things happened in greek myth as well so I don't see why not. Based on how your portray him though it does really sound like your evil god is a caricature of fedora nice guys
>>54727840No, neither Gaia nor Ouranos are entirely evil or positive figures. Gaia herself is rather infamous for spawning monsters, sponsoring heavenly coups, and generally being unpleasant.
>>54724370Sounds like a pretty standard mythology to me, with a touch of Greek god rape. I like it. Doesn't sound sjw at all bro. Stop being so sensitive.
>>54727659I didn't take that away from it.
>>54727868Yeah of course I'm not saying it's exactly the same, just that most elements like spontaneous creation from a female deity and husbands who aren't entirely "good" and seen as a threat aren't really anything original
>>54727907Think about it. The divine male essence is evil, as evidenced by the male god being evil So that means the beings based on him, that share his essence, are evil. These would be men.
>>54727978Yeah but she gave birth to everything so surely we take after her too.Gods are their own entities and aren't necessarily completely analogous to humans.
>>54728017She still chose to base the male gender directly off of this evil god, that says nothing but terrible things about them.
>>54728027well I disagree and this is why religious schisms happen
>>54728056What positive traits were gained by basing a gender on pure cosmic evil and rape?
>>54728090Mate I just straight up disagree with your premise that the female god is analogous to all women and the male god is analogous to all males.OP didn't say anything of that sort so you're just presuming this aspect.
>>54727978To be fair we don't know if that's the extent of the pantheon. If the dark god was already there before the creation of the world it means he wasn't created by this female deity, and so there might be other deities too. The only thing we know is that this i supposed to be the "Satan" character
>>54728128Even if they're not connected, the goddess still based males on the god, is what I'm saying.
>>54728167>the goddess still based males on the god, is what I'm saying.but how do you know this?
>>54728225Because the male form existed in the evil god before it existed in whatever other races exist. Maleness predated man, in this setting. So she was scalping the evil god's looks in making 'man'.
>>54728137They didn't do shit though.
>>54728248Yeah and she scalped femaleness to create women too then I guess.She just made humans to reflect the way the gods look I guess, presuming anything about their nature from that is just a bit of a leap in logic imo.Anyway we're talking in circles and I have work in the morning, goodnight.
>>54728323>she scalped femaleness to create women too then I guess.Which isn't a source of complain because SHE'S female and is depicted as a force of pure good.
>>54728334>SHE'S female and is depicted as a force of pure good.again OP didn't say that you're presuming things, she could be a jealous cunt like Hera.Now I'm properly off, goodnight.
>>54728334>Evil god is male and has a penis>Give human males a cubic phallusProblem solved, evil deities have penises, human males have cubic phallus, now men don't even share the same type of penis as the male god so male doesn't equal evil god anymore
>>54728442But human males don't have a cubic phallus.
If it must be Female good male bad, at least give it more depth. Does he have to be evil for the lulz? Or is he evil because of both good and evil being neccesary in the world? Is he evil outright or is his existense viewed as evil due to his role in the universe? So many fantasy setting have managed to do the evil male deity without being SJW about it.http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Promathia
>>54728477That doesn't sound like depth, he's evil and mindless and the good goddess just fucked him over by using his evilness to make people so he couldn't die and kill everything.
>>54724514>You made the central female figure of the setting literally everything good in the world and the central male figure everything bad. You are an SJW.All he's done is flip the traditional myth so the male god is creator of all evil and monsters, not the female. He's just gender-swapped Tiamat and Marduk -- how is that any worse or more prejudice than having an evil female mother-of-monsters creature?>>54726403>In all honesty, reverse-SJWs are better than SJWs. The former are simply arguing for sanity and common sense, while the latter are arguing for batshittery.You're talking about gods, not people. Even if you were talking about real people (or representations thereof), why would evil monster women make more sense than evil monster men?
>>54728667>He's just gender-swapped Tiamat and MardukYeah because you should really get your morality from fucking Babylon. No major religion alive today is even related to that shit or has an evil female deity as its centerpiece of evil.
>>54727258This story is much more general than some shitty weeb folklore: OP's story is a gender-swap of EVERY matriarchal mythology.
>>54728730>EveryI only know of one religion with a primal evil female deity as its main villain. Everywhere else the prime evil is male or genderless.
>>54727648>Very few mythologies have the creator deity be a woman.You have no idea what you're talking about -- almost all creation myths have the female as creator of all. Abrahamic and Hellenic religions reverse this, but they are exceptional in that regard.
>>54728759Greek and Roman don't have a female creator, they have a dual embodiment of Sky and earth, both equally important. Its the Gods who create people. Norse mythology doesn't have a female creator, in fact, very few have an active creator figure. Most of europe doesn't have female creator myths, while Africa and Australasia have very abstract myths. Only central and Eastern Asia as far as I can remember, though I'll have to check up on Mesoamerican myths.
>>54728759>almost all creation myths have the female as creator of all.Oh? Let's see:>NorseMale. Odin and his brothers made the world form the corpse of Ymir.>EgyptianMale, the world is made of ejaculate.>HinduismBoth, all the deities got together to stir the pot.>ShintoBoth, male dominates but Izanagi and Izanami both were involved.>ZoroastrianismMale, the prime good and the prime evil are both male here.>GreekBoth and nobody, most of the original Primordial deities largely came into being out of nothing.One thing a lot of people don't realize is that in a lot of places, before modern times, it was the male who was considered to have creation powers, that the child came from the semen and merely grew in the female.So I'm going to ask you, which mythology are you thinking of?
>>54727648Do you even think before you type things anon?
>>54728811Even the Babylonian myth the guy likes to cite had a male counterpart to Tiamat with whom she created the gods, Abzu. They together were involved in that process even if Tiamat could create stuff on her own.
>>54728858Cheers, Central asian mythology is the one area im not strong on
>all this arguing over genders and sex of Gods>mfw my setting just has ungendered cosmic gods who create/run the universe, while all the ones dangly parts are just buffed up mortals and racial/cultural pantheons, which are ultimately unimportant in the grand cosmic scheme of things.>mfw I don't have to worry about any of this shitfeels good man
>>54728759You've been influenced by Wicca, yeah?
>>54728811>Greek and Roman don't have a female creator, they have a dual embodiment of Sky and earth, both equally importantEh, Gaia is clearly the more important one than Ouranos. She precedes and gives birth to him.
>>54728924Yeah, but Gaia also didn't create everything, she's born alongside several other Primordial deities.
>>54728858>Even the Babylonian myth the guy likes to cite had a male counterpart to Tiamat with whom she created the gods, Abzu. They together were involved in that process even if Tiamat could create stuff on her own.But that's exactly my point; Tiamat is the primary creator deity, and is female. I'm not saying there can't be male creators as well, and indeed there are religions where the only creator is male, but in most myths the principal creator is female.>>54728813>NorseAuðumbla>EgyptianNet and Naunet>HinduismBoth>ShintoBoth>ZoroastrianismMale spirits>GreekBoth In most myths males didn't have the sole power of creation, but the primeval mother goddess of many ancient religions often did.
>>54727185That's fucking retarded in the context of fantasy.Hell, it's retarded in the context of real world religions, too.What are you, fourteen?
>>54729085>AuðumblaThe fucking cow? She's not a creator deity. She created humans, but everything else she had nothing to do with.>Net and NaunetBoth Naunet and the later Atem are male.>In most myths males didn't have the sole power of creation...Good thing even my pwn post pointed out a lot of religions with a dualistic creation. A lot of your post repeats mine while pretending it's countering it. Did you read?>the primeval mother goddess of many ancient religions often didWhich ones in particular? This is the second time I've asked. I have provided you examples with exclusive male creators and dualistic creators. Where is your female-only creator? What religion are you talking about? Without any evidence you're ranting is equivalent to the 'Mother Goddess' theory that has no evidence and is the realm of new age cults.
>>54729085Tiamat isn't considered the prime creator deity in the actual myth cycle, she's only considered primary when we're talking about her as the creator of monsters, not gods. You do a lot of vague claiming and other such nonsense without actually going into specifics, which makes it hard to take you seriously.
>>54729085Auðumbla isn't even depicted as a goddess.
>>54724370Not really. My setting uses a feminine creator deity, and most of the problems in her myths involve her trusting a man she shouldn't.It only comes off as SJW when you try and hammer the "men are by default in the wrong" message in, which is a shit message so you shouldn't be.
>>54729565But why did you depict all the men in your mythology as wrong by default then?
>>54729583I didn't, just many of her would-be husbands. And many of them weren't even "she's right he's wrong" and more "they disagree on base principle and that causes problems".Her first union was pretty much the only reason she was able to seed her own world (having stopped before she found her own world at the realm of Qetpuzal, where she got the seed of the many draconic and saurian beasts that otherwise would not have been in her realm) and had no negatives of note.Her first husband split with her because she chose the first human as her partner but rebuked him when he wanted immortality to share eternity with her, so he stole the secrets of magic and tried to unlock it himself. She tried to stop him, but not before he could share that with mankind, and when he eventually died she kind of just dropped it and hid the secrets of eternal life in the moon with a series of magical guardians protecting it. This one isn't the guy's fault at all.After that we get some shit dudes, mostly trying to nice her into unlocking the secret of immortality. These result in the various not okay forms of immortality such as undeath and soul trapping magic like magic jar and clone.
>>54724370Don't see any problem here.
>>54729691So she tried to cheat on her husband with their creation?
>>54729743Neither Hylia nor Demise are creator deities, and Demise isn't even a deity. Hylia was created as a protector goddess by the three true creators, who are a trio of women with no male counterparts.
>>54724370If you made the opposite would you go on tumblr and ask if it made you sound like a MRA?
>>54729748Qetpuzal is more of a one-time hookup.Witkus was the first human, which she took as a husband. He became the first mage after he stole the secrets of magic, but never succeeded in becoming immortal.She's -technically- cucked her second husband (Vokkor, the first God of Mankind, currently a colossal skeleton buried at the heart of a planet on the edge of the system) since she locked him away while still conscious and then looked for new husbandos, but that's only if you consider marriage to not be terminated by burning the flesh off a guy who invented a death plague you cannot cure, sealing him inside a frozen rock and sending a platoon of celestial guardians to constantly monitor him and fend off any demons he manages to create that escape the caverns beneath the planet's surface.She's done some pretty irrational things by being too quick to trust people who are only after her superpowers and hasn't learned much from these actions.
>>54724416>#all me rape>#yes even gods
>>54724818>OP I'm a nu male and I think your idea sounds cool.Ftfy
>>54725162>Make the evil God more sympathetic>He should get cucked instead of just rejected
>>54724370Wasn't there a Chinese creation myth where a goddess dipped a piece of string in a river and the droplets of mud that fell off became the first humans?
>>54729085>primeval mother goddessCitation needed anon. The Venus statuettes and the Minoan snake figurines are not evidence of a primeval mother goddess, and Grave's examination of the Greek myths leaves some things to be desired (the notion that the goddesses of the people the Hellenes conquered were somehow more legitimate than the gods the Hellenes brought with them is nonsensical and absurd).Moreover, most academics and even feminist scholars reject the notion of matriarchal agrarian societies with mother earth goddesses, since the evidence doesn't support this at all. It was a fad. What's left is just neopagan nonsense and trying to make the facts fit the theory.
>>54726638Can the good food be an autistic wizard?
>>54724370It sounds like Lineage 2's backstory but with less depth and more SJWy.In Lineage 2, the world was created by two gods, one female and one male, when they broke out of an egg. The female god was the Goddess of Creation while the male one was the God of Destruction.She gave birth to other gods, who created the world and the mortal races (elves, dwarves, orcs). He was jealous of his wife and children, so he decided to create his own race. He created the Humans, and they were the weakest and ugliest of the lot, and were quickly enslaved. He also seduced his eldest daughter with her because why not.She was offended by his creation and her daughter's affair with him, but she couldn't fight him because they were of equal strength. So she took it out on the humans, and then later on everyone else. In the end, even though she was the creator of the world and the "good" god, she was a lot more unhinged, vengeful and power-tripping while he, the God of Destruction, became the voice of reason, and tried to shield his children with her, his creation and the other races from her PMS rages.
Sounds pretty shitty and magical realmy imo.Also, it's not really creative at all.
>>54725399>In this setting, evolution itself might be the Mother creating new things to counter the corrupted forms made by Father.The Goddess of Everything Else by Scott Alexanderhttp://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/17/the-goddess-of-everything-else-2/
>>54729323I kind of agree with him, even if he phrased it like a sperg. If you're building a world you don't have to have the active gods of Dnd.I definitely prefer settings with more ambiguity. Maybe there's an afterlife maybe there isn't. Maybe x religion is true maybe it isn't.
>>54729691Not gonna lie, this sounds like a pretty fun religion for adventuring
>>54730049That sounds pretty cool. >>54730207>Are you a bad enough dude to dick down the goddess and gain immortality?
>>54724370>Primary creator deity is male>Supposed to be wed to a female deity in cosmic marriage. She isn't evil, just very narcissistic and prideful.>Creator Deity ultimately decides that he doesn't want to have children with her because she deceives others into believing she is kind and caring.>Creator Deity jerks off alone into some clay and sculpts humanity, animals, and the world as we know it.>This enrages the female god, who births her own children by mixing menstrual blood with clay as well>Neither mortal race is inherently evil or anything, but they are both "incomplete" and ultimately cannot truly inherit the plane they live on because it would require a "true" coupling of the gods to birth the appropriate inheritors.>Their children fight and fight and fight and consider the other side evil and a blight to the planet when neither of them belong>The End
>>54731771Its... Its perfect
>>54729841>>54729691>>54729565Anon, I just want you to know I think this sounds cool, and would gladly play in such a setting
>>54724715>She dies giving birth to the world>Hates the world as a result, but doesn't actively seek to destroy it or anything>He tries to make himself a new wife using dark magic>Creates all sorts of monsters>Eh, I'll throw all my failures onto this stupid round ball filled with morons>Keeps trying, and making more and more new monsters
>>54724370It is an very interesting concept for building a setting which is vastly different from the world we live in, most likely so different that you can not imagine it. But if you do, it would be ingenius.There are 2 points to consider:1) It has an inconsistency there:>gave birth the world alone, free from the touch of the dark god>supposed humans in the setting are same or likely humans from our world, who are not free from the touch of evilThe only way it could be solved is that humans are twisted children race born from Dark God's monsters raping some pure race (elves maybe? lol)2) It does kind sound like a SJW, because it extrapolates the evil nature in masculinity while underrating the evil nature in feminity.Because based on our world, the difference in evil between male and female on Earth might only be seen in humans (while gender exists for most of life, and, going by your setting, gender exists for every thing in creation) and it is questionable at best and non-existant at worst. Sure, the greatest evil people were mostly man: Chengis Khan, Stalin, Pol Pot etc. If we look into "main good people", they were also male like Buddha, Jesus, Renessance geniuses. It shows that males have greater capacity of diverging from average "alignment" into the good and evil extremes and being recognised for that. While women may have just as big or bigger influence on things, but it's more subtle and less visible, like, happening mostly on a personal level, for example.TDLR: promising concept, to make it properly would require a great understanding of gender as a cosmic force and a nature of people at the same. Here's some literature on the subject: http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100888980I think you might find it for free somewhere or buy it, it is a recognised religious/mystical philosophy work about the female cosmic force/female part of God (which is 100% pure good, just like God itself as a sum of female and male).
>>54725360Great post with a great insight (or something close to it at least).It is at least a medieval gothic mentality. Which might or may not persisted to this day, but it influenced everything western since for sure.
>>54728667Babylon mythology never had pure good and pure evil gods, neither it had only 1 or 2 Gods, it had many gods of mixed nature, just like there are many humans of mixed nature. All religions of that time were like that. Some gods were better and some were worse, but it's nothing absolute, just happenstance, like in people in a village having those to look up at and having a looser asshole everyone hates, sometimes so much they banish him (yes its usually male, like Set, Pluto, Loki).Guess why, the modern concepts of good and evil were not concieved by majority or maybe anyone yet at that time.Even Jesus as recorded in Bible has some very questionable quotes going by modern morality and logic, like, the combination of "God is love" and "unrepent sinners would be sent by God into eternal hell". It really does not compute for anyone religious with some brains, so if one believes in Jesus as a force of good, such quotes should be interpreted as apostles writing them not always understanding their true meaning and going with something they understood - the more crude/cruel morality of that time.
>>54729691This guy >>54732619Well ok that cleared some things.The goddess is a local planetary spirit/god, not the ultimate cosmic female God/deity.And humans and all their conflicting nature comes from another time and another place because they are not even native here.But native things really go by female things being pure good and male things being pure evil. Well, why not, universe is a big thing and any combination of things could happen.
>>54731771>Neither mortal race is inherently evil or anything, but they are both "incomplete" and ultimately cannot truly inherit the plane they live on because it would require a "true" coupling of the gods to birth the appropriate inheritors.As mortals, we must ensue that the God and Goddess never reconcile and mend their relationship. If they do, the actual children of the gods will obliterate our species.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNtmZmOmd0
>>54724370No, but worrying about it making you sound like an SJW makes you sound like a dumbass.
>>54724370Seems ok. Why are you so worried?
>>54724412>not making it magical realm
>>54724590How OP handled the rape aspect isn't too far off from other mythologies.If you're ever worried about your setting's mythos seeming 'edgy' or 'immature', remember that Loki once tied his ball hair to a goat and Poseidon once cursed a woman to have an insatiable desire to be fucked by a bull.
>>54733184Agreed. It's kinda like all those talentless hack comedians who end every joke with "I bet I LE TRIGGURED the PC police". Apologizing for your content just makes it seem like you're using controversy as a crutch.
remember when we used to make fun of people were caring about the gender of fictional characters
>>54724416>>54724514God you sound pathetic. It's fucking fiction! Mythology is full of gods behaving badly, why is it wrong when for once a dude fucks the entire world?>>54728684Nobody's talking about getting their morality from anywhere, and whether there's a major religion today related to Babylonian religion (note: there is. Every single Abrahamic religion has holdovers from the ancient Mesopotamian religion. The Enuma Elish's account of creation is copied pretty blatantly in Genesis) is fucking irrelevant. Nobody worships Pelor or Lolth, that doesn't mean they have no place in D&D.
>>54736494Abrahamic religion derives from Caananite religion, not Babylonian.
>>54737030>what is the babylonian exile
>>54737329Do you think the Jews had no religion beforehand? You might as well say they're Zoroastrian because of their huge fanboy obsession with Persia due to Cyrus the Great. Look it up. Their religion is a derivation of the Caananite religion.
>>54737393They didn't have the exact same religion, most of it wasn't even written down until after that.
>>54737457You keep avoiding my point, senpai.
>>54724370That fact that you are even scared about it being SJWish means that you'll be fine.
>>54737477What point? I came into this thread at "The jews didn't pick anything up from Babylon" and immediately addressed that retardation.
>>54726929>why does a deity need a gender?Because RPG pantheons are based on the pantheons of cultures like Greece, where the gods have genders.
>>54727258No, this is fucking nothing like that.
>>54737759Because you said their religion was Babylonian which is blatantly untrue.
>>54730187>religious ambiguity in games where priests literally work miracles
>>54737030Babylonian and Caananite religion both draw elements from the same older sources.
>>54737780Wew, could you be misrepresenting that anon's point any more than this?Maybe read his post again. It says that Abrahamic religion is in fact related to Babylonian religion. Not that Abrahamic religion = Babylonian religion.
>>54724370Eh, I've seen worse.I mean, I once wanted to do the following for a setting:>Moon and Sun are husband and wife>on the barren earth, Sun bears Moon four children>petite, carefree Wind>hearty, motherly Wood>ample, far-seeing Wave>and strong, ambitious Fire>Sun and Moon declare that Fire must choose one of his sisters to marry>but the sisters decide vainly that none of them would wed one so ugly, and so they spring a trap for Fire and chain him deep beneath the earth>for aeons, life flourishes, and Sun and Moon are none the wiser>but the first man and woman hear Fire's cries of anguish one day, and the mountain he is buried under lets loose a torrent of flame>they flee, but a rock strikes the woman from behind, killing her>in mourning, the man dips a stick into the cooling lava and places the woman's body atop a fallen log - the first funeral pyre>the full eye of Moon looks upon the gesture, and realizes what has become of his son>and for revealing their deception, the Three Sisters cursed Man forevermore, and bade that none of their creatures should aid him>most of the creatures obeyed, but the Wolves were divided, and half went to help the manI never got further than that, though.
>>54738415Yes? That doesn't make them the same. Norse religion and Hinduism aren't the same, Christianity and Islam aren't the same, it goes on. Common roots doesn't make them the same religion.>>54738443It's not that related.
>>54725214Go back to musicland, Mr. Waits
>>54724370Nah you're good.
>>54738508>That doesn't make them the same.Nobody said they're the same you retard.They're related, and Abrahamic religion wears many of its influences on its sleeve.
>>54738679>They're relatedYou ignored the rest of my post, nice.
>>54738730The rest of your post is irrelevant. We know that common roots don't make something the same, it was never the argument that they are the same. As for them not being that related? Like I said, they're related enough that points in Abrahamic texts are immediately recognizable as parallels to earlier Babylonian or pre-Babylonian Mesopotamian religion. The original point was >No major religion alive today is even related to that shitWhich is fucking wrong, all the Abrahamic religions inherit stuff from the same sources as Babylonian religion.
>>54738820It's incredibly relevant. Calling them related in one sense does not support your argument that Abrahamic religions have holdovers from Babylonian religion, because those things you're identifying as 'holdovers' are actually common elements from the shared root, and are thus holdovers from Caanaite religion.
>>54738874>Calling them related in one sense does not support your argument that Abrahamic religions have holdovers from Babylonian religionWhich would be a problem if that was ever the argument.>>54736494>note: there is. Every single Abrahamic religion has holdovers from ancient Mesopotamian religion>ancient Mesopotamian religionMaybe you should learn to read nigga.>and are thus holdovers from Caanaite religionHaha, no, absolutely not. The sources both Babylonian and Canaanite religion draw from are older than both.
>>54738936>Maybe you should learn to read nigga.We were talking about Babylon before that, so obviously you're referring to Babylon. Not fucking Sumer or Akkad. Also, spoiler? The Levant isn't part of the Mesopotamian region.>The sources both Babylonian and Canaanite religion draw from are older than both.I didn't disagree with this, buffoon. I said it myself. However, Abrahamic religion is not descended straight form the source, it is descended from Caananite religion. Thus any holdovers from its source are filtered through the lens of Caananite religion and come from it. Understand yet?
>>54724370Yes, because you've made the root of all evil male and focused entirely on rape. While there is plenty of rapey shit in mythology, it is rarely ever because the embodying force of evil is being evil for the sake of it. Forces of absolute, cosmic evil, are rarely this petty and personal.That you haven't even defined WHY he's evil, we are just supposed to assume he is 100% evil based on his other character traits and right now all he has is that he's A) evil and B) male. No reason why he's evil, he's just evil because you said so and got mad at the 'muh strong independent woman who need no man' when your story can easily get interpreted as her being a total cunt who didn't want to share ruling creation with her male half who flipped his shit and got mad from it, actually falling into evil and depravity.Had you explained WHY he's evil BEFORE she decided to reject him then your history would have made more sense. Seems more like God's other half decided she didn't want him because she decided he was evil/didn't like him on a whim.I hope this come off as some better criticism than calling you bad names and buzzwords.
>>54738982>We were talking about Babylon before that, so obviously you're referring to Babylon.Did I say Babylon? No, I didn't. I said ancient Mesopotamian religions. I specifically said that because there are multiple candidates that predate Babylon. Though, I guess, if you're being really technical, you could see them as variants of the same religion.>The Levant isn't part of the Mesopotamian regionIrrelevant, it's a fact that the people living there we identify as the Canaanites today took religious tales from Mesopotamian sources. As did much of the world, actually, even the Greeks.>However, Abrahamic religion is not descended straight form the sourceOh, sure, these concepts moved through other religious systems. A lot of them are virtually identical, however, to their prior incarnations, s this matters very little. Either way, these concepts - these quite specific concepts - can be traced back to early Mesopotamian religion. No matter what you say, Babylonian religion, derived from the same sources, has extremely prominent parallels to parts of Abrahamic religion. They are related.
>>54724370"Zeus's rule" everything is justified when pantheons are involved
OP's description is very close to the creation myth of Iron Kingdoms/Warmachine/Hordes according to followers of Dhunia. It starts with the mother Goddess creating the world until she was hunted down and raped by the male embodiment of chaos, death, destruction, and entropy, at which point she gave birth to monsters. One of her sons went to go fight the cosmic force that raped her, created humanity and taught them how to overcome and tame the savagery of nature. Also, in Tribe 8 (my favorite RPG setting of all time) the main positive power in the world is a goddess and her (well meaning but misguided) daughters are the deities of humanity and channel the power of "dream", which represent higher ideals. The primary antagonists are twisted cenobite spirit demon things organized around the four humors that are male aligned and represent the "seed", or humanity's base desires. It can work OP. It has worked.
>>54736494Can you explain to me why feminism loves Babylon so much? Is it because Ishtar is so strong? Never mind that she's a blood-mad berserker who demanded war and suffering, was capricious and tortured people at a whim but especially liked to kill her own lovers, and actually mandated that all Babylonian women submit to prostitution a least once. Strong or not, that's hardly positive.
>>54739152It still seems strange that she would create males based on an evil god.
>>54739162>Never mind that she's a blood-mad berserker who demanded war and suffering, was capricious and tortured people at a whim but especially liked to kill her own lovers, and actually mandated that all Babylonian women submit to prostitution a least once. Strong or not, that's hardly positive.Being a cunt and an awful human being is a feminist 'virtue'
>>54739162>Can you explain to me why feminism loves Babylon so much?That post has nothing to do with feminism.Get fucked.
>>54739178You didn't answer my question.
>>54739188The truth is, I don't know. I haven't really encountered any tumblr feminist types that know or say anything about Babylon. I'm willing to bet that this is complaint you've simply made up.Our current culture as a whole is experiencing another shift in interest back to societies from that area, in regards to the way we design settings and such. Probably just because that's the way of things - interest moves cyclically, much like fashion, and music, and basically everything.
>>54739209>I haven't really encountered any feminist types that know anythingftfy
>>54739217>partisan identity politicsI would wager that you're just as willing to distort facts and manipulate truth as the people you're complaining about.
>>54739126In the first part of your post I can see you doing anything but pedantry, there's nothing worth rguing here.>IrrelevantIt's actually completely relevant. You said Mesopotamian religions, as you yourself keep harping on. Caananite religion is not a Mesopotamian religion any more than Norse religion is an Indian religion.>Took religions tales from Mesopotamian sourcesOr from their own Caananite source, which shares those stories via a shared root with the Mesopotamian religions.>can be traced back to early Mesopotamian religionNo, they can be traced back to Caananite religion. What aren't you getting here?I'm seeing nothing but an ignorant and autistic inability to admit that you were incorrect in your sourcing of Abrahamic religion out of this. You keep circling around, over and over again, insisting that Abrahamic religion took its elements directly from Mesopotamia while completely ignoring that it came from Caananite religion, and that just because Caananite religion is related to Mesopotamian religion, does not make these elements from Mesopotamian religion. I think you're not understanding the relevance of why I keep mentioning the Norse and Hinduism. It's because both of them share a common source, and stories with extremely prominent parallels exist in both. Yet nobody in their right mind would say these elements came from Hinduism and thus the Norse were influenced by it, because everyone is aware of and acknowledges the more likely scenario that these elements derive from their shared source, the Proto-Indo-European religion.
>>54739152That Tribe setting seems to imply that men are innately evil and are innately tied to the evil parts of humanity, while women are innately good and tied to the innately good parts of humanity.
>>54739257>you're just as willing to distort facts and manipulate truth as the people you're complaining about.It's a fact feminist are either deliberately obfuscating the truth, pretending they don't when its convenient, or flat out don't realize they're spouting lies.There is not a single feminist talking point which cannot be debunked.
>>54739280>In the first part of your post I can see you doing anything but pedantryYou were the only one being pedantic there, trying to find a reason to pretend that I'd directly referenced Babylon so that your point still stood. Stop being so hugely intellectually dishonest.>Caananite religion is not a Mesopotamian religion any more than Norse religion is an Indian religion.No, it's not. But it inherited concepts from Mesopotamian religion that have in many instances remained relatively unchanged.>Or from their own Caananite source, which shares those stories via a shared root with the Mesopotamian religions.So, they came from Mesopotamian religion. Thanks for admitting it.>I think you're not understanding the relevance of why I keep mentioning the Norse and Hinduism.I think I am. While those religions share a common root, none of the parallels you can find between them are as strong, as, say, the Abrahamic account of Genesis or the flood and the events described in the Enuma Elish or the latter tablets of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
>>54739280>Or from their own Caananite source, which shares those stories via a shared root with the Mesopotamian religions.Just saying, considering that proto-Canaanite language used Sumerian cuneiform, it's highly likely that the people we consider Canaanites were directly descended from Sumer. Sumer is probably the 'common root'.
>>54724370Unabashedly yes. Even the unobservant would pick up on it.
>>54739373>So, they came from Mesopotamian religion. Thanks for admitting it.At this point you're flat out ignoring me to restate yourself. I spend time constructing arguments, you repeat yourself. There's clearly two different levels of discourse going on here.I'm going to give you another shot by replying to the only thing you bother to source though.>The Abrahamic account of Genesis/Enuma ElishIn Abrahamic religion, got shaped man directly from clay and breathed life into them. Humans were made to frolic in the garden and enjoy Creation. Skipping all of the muck about being cast out from it, we'll go back to how the world was created. The world was a primordial nothing and emptiness, God simply was, and he declared with his voice that things like light, the sea, plants, animals, all that good stuff, would exist, and it simply appeared. No titanomarchy or corpse forging present here.In the Mesopotamian creation story, mankind are made from the blood of Kingu after he was slain by Marduk, which mixed with the clay of the Earth, then was shaped into mankind to serve as slaves to the lesser gods. The world itself, by the by, was forged from the corpse and blood of Tiamat by Marduk. This part in particular has more in common with NORSE mythology, which we know cannot be connected to Mesopotamian mythology except through the deepest and most ancient roots that would have existed before Caucasoid peoples split apart into the various ethnicities.So as you can see, even when I cut out the details, there is zero similarity between the two creation stories.
>>54739355>It's a fact feminist are either deliberately obfuscating the truth, pretending they don't when its convenient, or flat out don't realize they're spouting lies.There you go again, making a retarded judgement about an insanely huge and varied group including many millions of people.I guess it would surprise you that there was a recent case in which a Japanese feminist defended depictions of male-on-female violence in media? That there are multiple European and African feminists who have no interest in intersectional feminism and have publicly decried it, and are more interested in simply improving women's rights where they live?>There is not a single feminist talking point which cannot be debunked.How about: men and women should have entirely equal rights, because they both have equal value (i.e. in the grand scheme of things, none) and equal capacity for suffering under diminished circumstances?
>>54739538Not him, but>confounding 3rd/4th/xyzth wave 1st world feminism with 1st/2nd wave 2nd/3rd world feminism.Whenever someone talks about feminism, it's nearly assured that they're talking about the modern, hyper-leftist, western incarnation of feminism.Nobody really debates or denies that women should have the same legal and ethical rights of men, unless they're a) 3rd world niggers (of which there are very, very few here), or b) a literal, dyed-in-the-wool reactionary who outright denies and retorts against the last several hundred years of civilization.There's also option c), trolls and actual misogynists, but they're already ignored and not engaged with in the first place.TL;DR: You're being an intellectually dishonest faggot that's using a definition of feminism outdated by several decades when discussing what is almost certainly in relation to liberal SJW 4th Wave feminism.
>>54739538>i.e. in the grand scheme of things, noneThis.
>>54724370>Does this make me sound like an SJW?A little bit.But, since you're aware of it, you'll unconsciously curb any SJW tone and it'll all work in the end.
>>54739537Okay, not the same guy, but you should really look at the specific language used by the Enuma Elis and Genesis, as well as their poetic structure, as there are extremely clear parallels. There's also parallels in the description of the world and its construction, how it is supported, etc. There's a reason most scholars consider it extremely probably that parts of Genesis began as poetic reinterpretations of the Elis.These texts also, in their original forms, serve the same religious purpose - they assert the superiority of their deity. The Elis enshrines Marduk as the greatest god by granting him governance over the creation of the world, and Genesis, or what we know now as Genesis, does so for El as well, raising him up over other deities native to that area of the world.
>>54739621>definition of feminism outdatedOnly in silly internet wars between 4chan and tumblr.Actually go out into the world at you'll find that most people hold that idea of feminism. And it's important to remind Anons of this sometimes, because otherwise they start to become disgustingly partisan and myopic.
>>54739706Parallels. My entire point is that the accounts are not so close that they must be directly derived from one another, and rather that the biblical story is an adaptation of the original Caananite creation story, which shares common roots with the Mesopotamian religions' creation story.
>>54739757>Only in silly internet wars between 4chan and tumblr.Not that guy myself, but you do know that Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn got to speak at the UN? That Sweden implemented a 'feminist snowplow schedule' because a snowplow schedule that prioritized business commutes was reportedly sexist? Do you know several schools across the West are now supporting classes where things like gender are taught to be a spectrum and boys and girls are encouraged to act in feminine/boyish ways?I think you're the one that needs to look at the world around you if you think this kind of thing is still restricted to the internet. Your head is in the sand.
>>54739280>Or from their own Caananite source, which shares those stories via a shared root with the Mesopotamian religions.Yeah that shared root is probably Sumerian. I mean, as far as we can tell. The earliest examples of Canaanite (note that Canaanite is... not really one thing, it's a collection of things, but whatever) language uses Sumerian script.So yes, the source is Mesopotamian, probably. But that's not exactly a surprise, that area is the birthplace of civilization. A LOT of stuff is descended from Sumer.
>>54739757Well you're simply wrong, anon. These people exist outside of tumblr now and have for a couple years now. Besides>>54739789 you can find most HR places and college campuses a breeding ground for them.
>>54724595OP's goddess rejecting him because she has a case of the lady protesting too much would be awesome.
>>54727808I mean, he's not wrong though
>>54739761Hmmm, they are pretty close, once you start unpacking the language. I mean, just look at how they open up.Saying that they're the same thing is obviously wrong, but that they're related? Not really. Modern scholars refer to them as related all the time. One is certainly derivative of the other - even as an adaptation from a common root. These religions are very relevant to each other when studying the field.
>>54739875Perhaps I didn't make it clear. I am explicitly saying they are related and have been since the start. The point I am arguing against is that they are descended from the Mesopotamian religions and not from the common root both share.
>>54739789>Not that guy myself, but you do know that Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn got to speak at the UN? That Sweden implemented a 'feminist snowplow schedule' because a snowplow schedule that prioritized business commutes was reportedly sexist? Do you know several schools across the West are now supporting classes where things like gender are taught to be a spectrum and boys and girls are encouraged to act in feminine/boyish ways?Simply a result of the echo chamber effect of modern communications and, as usual, leadership being out of touch with reality, choosing to focus on what certain individuals are telling them rather than what most people believe or what.There are millions of people in the west that call themselves feminist but don't give a shit about any of this stuff, and certainly don't believe it. They by far outnumber those that do, and this is why the radical '4th wave' feminist pandering never works - because there aren't enough adherents to sustain it.
>>54739918Whatever you say anon, you're still missing that anon's point was that since egalitarianism is the rule now, and since modern feminism as an organized movement now fights for this silly insane shit instead of actual egalitarianism, when most people complain about feminism, they are not talking about actual egalitarian principles and are referring to 4th wave.
>>54739918Also your point that pandering 'never works' contrasts your other point that governments do only listen to them and seek to enforce their principles. It's working, even if it makes most people unhappy.
>>54738464That actually sounds pretty cool. Kind of sounds like it was inspired by Native American mythos, So just checking, Wind, Wood, and Wave got pissy that man unintentionally unearthed their dirty laundry for Daddy Moon, and thus they, the children, curse man?
>>54739951Sure.All I'm saying is remember that that vast majority of feminists out in the world are likely to not even know what you're talking about. Even the ones who believe some of this others stuff are likely to have varied beliefs regarding other things - in fact, we know this, because 4th wavers are constantly trying to excommunicate each other over differences in opinion.
>>54724370It depends. Are you gonna have all men be evil by proxy? If not then it doesn't matter.
>>54739967Eh, I'll be more specific. I meant pandering in media. Governments are always pandering to a small group of people, because they themselves are a comparatively small representation of their country. They almost never listen to the public at large, and often only do so when forced or at the dumbest time possible, when they've backed themselves against a wall over something.Radical feminist pandering never works when pitched to the public. Moves like Ghostbusters bomb. Comics like Marvel SJW Drivel #532626 are dead on arrival. Series that pander excessively this way never make it for the long haul. Because there just aren't enough people that believe this stuff to support them.
>>54729772if he expected to run a game with people from tumblr, why not?
>>54724435This.You could even rip from Kamitani and have one of the main evils be a perversion of the usual creation/life goddess.
Man, does it really cause such a hissy fit if the bad guy Satan dude acts like a bad guy Satan dude? I'm willing to bet that nobody here would have a problem if the woman was the evil one, and the guy decided to, I dunno, make the world alone by jerking off into the ether.I feel like people would have complained about Melkor if Tolkien was writing today. "Fucking hell, why is it a MAN who is evil and raping the world with his corrupting power? FUCK THIS SJW SHIT."
>>54739209>Our current culture as a whole is experiencing another shift in interest back to societies from that areahttp://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lets-read-supergod.61702/page-4#post-1713283I like the theme of how desperate civilizations fall into tribal-village-style neopaganism. In the fictional Britain of this comic, you see an old Celtic god recreated with those astronauts.It's not precisely reflective of the real world, but yes, I can see it sometimes. Look at the tiny minority of Wiccans, who include a few disillusion suburban working class white females from former manufacturing towns, who believe that a return to Robert E. Howard style Norse neopaganism will be their salvation. On a larger scale, look at the neopagans in Weimar Germany, who invented or brought back ideas of old occult from old Germanic days. Many scholars point out that no such practices actually existed in the past. There was never even such a thing as a German people once.The worst example of modern neopaganism is...well...the Indian nationalist movement, which pretends there was some serious merit or advancement in old civilizations of the subcontinent. Many Indian nationalists try to "resurrect" practices long dead for ages, and the creepiest example is the Ganpati Pooja in Bombay - created by the pro-independence activist B. G. Tilak in the early 20th century - where people proceed in a cultish manner to the sea and drop large marble statues of an elephant god there. It seems like an ancient festival, except it wasn't even in existence more than 100 years ago.Nothing but chauvinistic decadence.This comic captures this chauvinistic decadence perfectly.
>>54740164>itt didn't read the thread
>>54740355What?People are complaining because the baddie is a dude and the goodie is a girl. That's all it boils down to, really. It shouldn't matter whatsoever, nothing really makes the premise of the dark lord being a spurned lover bad.
>>54740440Considering nearly all of he first half of the posts say otherwise, and that people were saying that it wasn't a big deal so long as the OP doesn't make it a big deal, I'm going to have to say that you are completely full of shit and need to stop constructing strawmen
>>54739988Late answering this, but yep.
>>54741292Yep to which, the inspiration, or the W sisters?
>>54739209Betty Meador is one. Wrote several books on how much she adores the deity.
>>54741363The W sisters.
>>54740164There are several Valar, there is no singular male one that is Morgoth, there's Manwe, Ulmo, and all the others I'm not looking up the spelling for.
>>54740227>There was never even such a thing as a German people once.In the same way there was never such a thing as an Earth once, yet now there is, and Germanic peoples can be identified through genetic markers.
>>54740227>Wiccans, who include a few disillusion suburban working class white females>chauvinistic decadenceI don't think you even know what the word chauvinism is and how it's a term critical of men.
>>54726506My fiancee did that in her setting, especially when she handed the culture the dark god took over to my tender mercies.It's a sensible, yet fucked up, culture that's like someone made a semi-theocratic feuldal mafia and then threw in good business sense, tied together by an aristocracy that inherited the ability to open portals between worlds, but also a hardwired genetic limit on how many people can feel personally and directly loyal to them.Of course, the split between the "good"/light goddess and the "evil"/dark god was based on how much direct control they wanted over their (illegal according to the laws of the ultimate heavens) creations - she wanted to stay hands off so they would grow on their own, he wanted to be hands on so they didn't kill themselves off during the growing up. Of course they lost (some of) their godhood and fell to the planet and had kids. Of course she and her daughters would be forced by the populace to assume near-direct theocratic control of their society. Of course he and both sexes of his children, on a different continent, would by unable to create the centralized and controlled society he wanted. Both had to settle for what the other wanted - he for loose, decentralized and tenuous control over people who strove to meet his example, she for way too much control over people who desperately wanted her to solve all their issues.Oh, and their powers (more than the portals) passed to one of their descendants every generation, along with a title (Duchess for light, Duke for dark). But it was pretty cool. I don't think we ever came up with a curse for the duchess line though. Maybe not being able to efficiently delegate?
>>54741934"Chauvinism" is most often used by feminist types and thus is always read as "(male) chauvinism" but that's not the dictionary definition.
>>54724508Don't you dare talk shit about the God Emperor of Mankind filthy heretic
>>54740152Dont dead open inside.jpg
>>54724370This is a bad thread and you should be ashamed of yourself. Stop being so damn insecure and stop making threads which only invite shitposting.
>>54745958I said few, not none.
>>54728759>Abrahamic and Hellenic religions reverse this, but they are exceptional in that regard.Not really. Most mono-theistic religions have either a male or genderless creator deity, Brahma is male in hinduism, and a great many religions have male creator deities or animal ones. There are female creators, but they are not nearly as common as you make them out to be
>>54746145I think that guy has been fooled by the Mother Goddess theory that used to be popular but is considered to be bunk now.
How do you make a world free from the touch of a the dark god but the world still has evil?
>>54746369Fucking because you're a woman who can't do anything right without a man :^)
I liked one old setting that had a female mostly good and a male what would mostly be considered evil deity while being rather neutral about it.goddess of life, god of death opposites to keep balance made the world too perfect where no death occurred. god of death lost purpose decided to commit suicide.goddess of life stopped his death in a panic by shattering the world and making the mortal races to die the gods' death for him keeping him in a sorta chthonic life support. god of death dreaming and pissed off at being mostly a vegetable on life support made monstrous and beast races to kill the "enlightened" races so he could finally die.
>>54724370As a firm SJW hater, I can say that works fine, fertility and birth are usually associated with women and having the bad guy be a guy is totally fine
>>54724370Could also have it be that the godess loved all creatures and was jealous of that and wanted her all to himself, and after the fallout he creates the monsters to sully her "children" and make them vile.