The "Could your PC work out as a villain?" thread brought up the amusing idea of the young, bright-eyed, aspiring villain.The aspiring villain is sort of like a Disney Hero or Princess in reverse: they are a character who wants very, very badly to be evil, but pursues their wicked goals with the same enthusiasm, optimism and light-heartedness as their heroic counterparts.They grew up idolizing the great evil overlords of the past, hoping and dreaming to someday achieve the same levels of comically hammy infamy, singing stirring, heartfelt songs about their villainous desires while trying to make every encounter more dramatic.What sort of aspiring villains might exist, based on this idea, and what sort of "Bizarro Disney" setting would arise from these characters being the protagonists?
>>55383128Isn't this chick from a series of images where she rapes a dude while giving him hallucinations that he's the dominant one in the relationship?
I actually tried this concept ones. Pic related was the result.I think trying it again, simply because inefficient wannabe villains are so much fun.
I'm reminded of Eva Ibbottson's "The Worst Witch," a young adult book I read in middle school. An "evil" wizard is looking for a wife, and there's a witch who wants to be evil but can only perform white magic.
>>55383369Fuck, it was "Which Witch?" Long time ago.
>>55383128Why is Tomoko dressed like that?
>>55383394She does look kind of similar. It's fitting considering Tomoko is absolutely the kind of freak that would do what >>55383146 described.
>>55383309That was one amazing character they used way to little in that show.
>>55383128The concept is amazing. Probably going to steal it for my m&m game
>>55383405>>55383394Thinking about it, Tomoko's character would make a pretty good basis for this type of light-hearted, ineffectual, aspiring villain.
>>55383374The Worst Witch was the one that Rowling "borrowed" extremely heavy from to make Harry Potter.
Wasnt Martina kinda like this? It has been an eternity since I watched Slayers.
>>55383128Sounds fucking wonderful.
>>55383128Sooo... Gwenpool then?
>>55383146Yup, that's her.
>>55383394She ain't Tomoko, that's actually Kugasari
>Sings a huge, heartfelt musical number in the center of the town square about how she'll eventually conquer the world and rule over all the townsfolk in this little burg.>The townsfolk just ignore her or treat her as the village idiot, like they do with Belle in the opening song in Beauty and the Beast.
>>55383801I want a Kugasari in my life.
>>55383906No you don't, it's all fun and games until she's sticks a finger up your ass
>>55383989That's still fun.
>>55383989>said by someone who's never had a finger up their ass
>>55383989Then its twice the fun and games.
>>55384018It's still fun with lube
>>55384051Hey, I was agreeing with you.
>>55384042I wish I could post the immediate followup to this which reveals it's all a hallucination and he's the one being manhandled.
>>55383855>Only ever reaches lowercase-v levels of villainy, and develops a "tsundere" relationship with the forces of goodness.>She totally doesn't want to save the world or any of that... yuck... heroic stuff... but if the world get destroyed, then how would she conquer it? Right?
>>55383128So what you want to play is pic related, yes?
>>55384414>"tsundere"why not "yandere"
>>55385148Because the two have different connotations. Tsundere because, while she does have a villainous side that she presents to the world, she also has a tiny bit of heroism in her that she tries her best to downplay.
>>55385520Or maybe I've misunderstood things.
>>55384107Sorry, wrong response, meant >>55383989
>>55383584I dunno if Kilgore is the type of character you want around too much. He's funny in his episodes, but his entire gimmick is yelling his name really loudly. He'd be really easy to overuse.
>>55383658Or Megumin. Or combine Tomoko and Megumin.
>>55383128I did this with a Necron Lord who litreally has the quirk of him being a Farmer whos really fucking sick of people treading on his corn field. Best part of him his Dynasty has the ability to remember there past and has there emotions still. The party through each of there encounters have slowly become semi friendly and actively talk and trade. In the end he's given up on being a cock and settled down and went back to being that weird necron were friends with.
>>55383801>Not posting the english version
>>55383146So are you gonna post a sauce on that, or...?
>>55386968It's in the image name. kugasari
>>55387486Good taste right there.
anon who made the comment in the last threadthe best way to do them is to have them follow the usual developments "the bright eyed hero" gets>start young, inexperienced and idealistic>adventure>experience hardship>ideals tested, naivete and foolishness chipped away>become gloriousthe whole appeal is this oxymoron of innocent evil that only works while they are either stupid or young enough to not understand the implications, its no fun having that starry eyed ball of fluff and malice actually become a serious BBEG. so you ether have them become the villain in the kind of setting where enemies have googly eyes and the villain is mad over not being invited to chess or you have them become disillusioned with villainy for whatever reason (not cinematic enough, not "pure evil" enough .etc)
>>55387272I found it. Thank you friend.
>>55387486Doesn't he actually succeed at the end, though?
>>55387660I dunno, I stopped watching after an episode. That shit is literal trash tier meme shit.
>>55387486This is actually a really good example. Perhaps a prime example: wide-eyed and idealistic, idolized supervillains, constant comical failures, SONGS and is villainous but not too villainous.>>55387591You make some really good points, and I like the first outcome, along with a version of the second outcome where the wanna-be villain is confronted by some seriously vile Big-E Evil, which they must then fight alongside the heroes so that their dream of dramatic, romanticized, fictional villainy can live.>"But... That's not how the story is supposed to go...!!! You're supposed to... You're... supposed to..."
>>55387591>its no fun having that starry eyed ball of fluff and malice actually become a serious BBEGWhy not? Have something really shitty happen to them, develop tragedy in the character.
>>55387660He does succeed in his goals of putting Captain Hammer in his place and proving that he was villainous enough to join the Evil League of Evil, but it came at a terrible personal cost that soured his victory and killed his spirit.That's an outcome we'd probably want to avoid ourselves.
>>55387803because i feel like that would ruin the archetype/subversion, theres certainly room for a "villain in development" to mirror the hero- see Tomura Shigaraki from BNHA. but its a different thingthe "starry eyed villain" is a somewhat comedic look at the idolization of villains and bad guys the "villain in development" is a more serious and grounded look at what the hero could be if they were evil/ were in different circumstances. now this isnt to say there cant be some overlap depending on the tone of the campaign/setting but i would say that they are different approaches to creating an antagonist/character that mirrors the heroes and should remain such- separatebut this is ultimately just my opinion and nothing more
>>55387660He did. Penny was all it cost him.
>>55387933I think you're right. The original concept of the starry-eyed wannabe-villain is an inherently silly one that relies either on a naive and innocent view of villainy, or a setting that is sufficiently full of dark-humor that their evil acts can be made funny.
Not to shill, but the web serial A Practical Guide to Evil has a fairly effective antagonist like that. The entire universe is based on archetypes. There are evil kingdoms and good ones, heroes and villains that gain powers based on ambition. At the beginning of the story, the local evil kingdom has been taken over by a group of genre-savvy villains that rule efficiently. The main antagonist wants to overthrow them to bring back the days of over the top, sacrifice a town to make a flying tower villainy.
>>55387660What he really wanted was the girl, not recognition as a villain. He became a famous villain, but he killed the girl. He is unambiguously dead inside at the end of the story.
>>55387933Yeah, you're right - the subversion would be a lot more fun to play.
>>55388473Right? It's less about making a character that's an actual villain and more about making a character that wants to be what they think a villain ought to be.>Dramatic entrances!>Chewing scenery!>Plots and schemes!>Rivals and nemesis!>Grandiose threats!>Defeating do-gooders!
>>55388840What if...the villain wannabee sees the villain as a hero, as all good villains sees themselves, but is clueless about the hypocrisies/eccentricities involved?Like the villain is a complicated freedom fighter/ideological whatever with a grudge against society. The wannabe is like a kid who grew up in the fantasy/scifi equivalent of a Hamas training camp without any trace of irony, watching jihadist Barnie starring the villain, who grew up in a society opposed to him and who is aware of the moral complexities in a way the wannabee never will be.
>>55388999thats a possible angle, though i always imagined it as "dejected outcast idealizes villain due to them being what they want to be (strong, "brave", famous, sucessful etc) while also being outcast and dejected by said society"like a little girl witch who wants to be just like darkskull the ravager since he was also laughed at by all the priests, but look at him now!
>>55388999That could work very well, especially if the Wannabe is the Villain's child, younger relative or apprentice, who doesn't understand the complexity of things and just wants to be like their hero.
>>55389102Latching onto villainous role-models because the heroic ones reject you is another great motivation.
>>55389233>heroic ones reject youits not necessarily even a failure on the heroes side, but imagine you are in a situation where it seems that society or those society favors are against you- naturally those who go against it would seem like heroic or admirable people, while those who protect and serve it would seem like false idols and unjustit doesent matter that said heroes would almost certainly help said outcast if they were aware of it, theres always someone they cant see and therefore help
>>55389311>"They'll see! They'll ALL see!!!"
>>55389359"STOP LAUGHING, I AM EVIL"
>>55385813Or just make her Dr. Horrible with a vagina.
>>55389509basically this, helps that OPM is cartoonish enough to allow it
>>55389386>She returns to her "lair" on the outskirts of town after her "epic battle" with the grocer and spends the rest of the night "plotting his demise" between sobs.>Why can't she just set people on fire like Melfy the Burninator did? Melfy was so cool... Why can't she do magic yet? Why can't she be more like Melfy?
>>55389696A good place to insert a devil with a deal. Either the small and comic one or the great and really horrible one but polite.
>>55389509What's the sauce boss?
>>55389798not for this kind of character, although maybe the small and mischievous kind- or the unwilling but really strong onebut really this is the point where she nicks a local relic and goes adventuring
>>55389913two kick lady
>>55389915>>55389798She could get a boatload of "well-meaning" but somewhat incompetent minor demons clamoring to help her, like that artist Endling's character Ree.
I think that Worm (specifically, Worm fanfiction) lends itself great to this.I mean, the longer this thread goes, the more it describes The Techno Queen, a fun and kinda cracky fanfic where the main character becomes a scenery chewing villain instead of......... whatever the hell you'd describe Taylor as.Also, Doctor Dire (in the Dire Worm fic on spacebattles and also in her own novel series which I can't remember the name of on amazon) is pretty much this grown up.
>>55387704You must be fun at parties
>>55388238>>55388840You could combine these two and throw them in a 90's antihero setting, where they hunt down the gray "heroic" butchers and reform them into henchmen with class and style, or at least get them to lighten up a little. Like when Harley Quinn gets a comic focus and isn't a clown hooker.This gimmick would slot really well in a Thunderbolts/Suicide Squad kind of story too, where the starry-eyed villain is the moral core of the group, but hides it with camp.
>>55383128Disgaea has this by the truckloads.
>The starry-eyed villain joins an adventuring party of heroes in order to gain power and send the world into a sense of false security, and also because all the best villains started as heroes and then betrayed all the do-gooders and turned to the Darker Powers>She tries to hide her black magic really badly, and keeps maniacally giggling as she imagines how she'll betray the party when the time comes and slaughter the weaklings who were foolish enough to trust her, just like Murderaxe Rapeyface the Defiler of Souls did>As she grows closer to the heroes she makes excuses for not having betrayed them yet and says she'll get round to it eventually, as soon as this weird warm fuzzy feeling goes away
>>55390198It was straight up the plot to D3 (the one with Mao), wasn't it? Deco was a Final Boss in Training, too.Although Nippon Ichi likes going the other way, where the holy hero ends up being too focused on demons and becomes one. Like Flonne and Prier.
>>55390258>terrible at hiding her intentions, has kiddie diary (painted black and with "evil talismans" of course) detailing all her plans>constantly reffers to herself as the villain name she wants, but cant stick to one since she keeps changing her mind>never had friends before so acts really happy, despite reffering to them as either "foolish heroes" or "minions">constantly talks about how cool certain villains are and how she wants to be just like them
>>55390321>summons her first zombie successfully>gets really excited and starts yelling for all the others to come see, then realises what she's done>cue the zombie wearing a crappy disguise and her pretending she didn't say anything
>>55390360>"th-this is my friend, his name? its uh zomb-ian, yes! zombian MCtotalyalive">"talk to him? uh, hes very tired so hes asleep right now, he sleeps standing up- now lest go before we wake him"
>>55388342>unambiguouslyThe last shot is literally him back in his basement, alone, looking like Billy (not even pre-League Dr. Horrible, IIRC), and absolutely crushed. If that's what you call "unambiguous," you're wrong.
>>55390532>unambiguous>not ambiguous>obvious/blatantthats exactly what it means
>>55389915>not for this kind of characterNo, it's EXACTLY this kind of character. You're seriously telling me an innocent naïve type character with this who wants to accomplish some evil shit but lacks the ability is the WRONG target for some seductive demon to come along with some powers and a contract to sign? You have this exactly backwards
>>55390567>You're seriously telling me an innocent naïve type character with this who wants to accomplish some evil shit but lacks the ability is the WRONG target for some seductive demon to come along with some powers and a contract to sign?you're missing the point- the "starry eyed hero/villain" dont exist in the kind of world where demons go and make punishing contracts or masterful schemes to steal your soul- they exist in that cartoonish world where if you insult the giant too much hes going to go home and cry himself to sleep naturally in a darker setting that idealism is exploited- but thats not the point, in that darker setting you dont get comedic antics or disney songs, and the only kind of idealism allowed is bitter determination and steeled resolve
>>55390559Then it's wrong, because "ambiguous" means to have a possible double meaning, or two interpretations. That's what the "bi" is for. Now, the last shot is a smash cut from full-blown capital-E Evil Dr. Horrible, looking triumphant, to Billy, looking defeated. Although Billy looks defeated, the fact that the show ends on him finishing Dr. Horrible's line suggests that he's still in there somehow, i.e., that he's not "dead inside."In any case, that's two personas, two things, two possible "actual" states of Billy's/Dr. Horrible's mind. Ambiguous.
>>55390400>"Okay everyone, once we reach the orphanage we're going to---">"BURN IT TO THE GROUND!!!">"Zebella...?">"NOT BUR-err... not... burn it to the ground...!">"We're going to take the orphans out on a field trip.">"A field trip? I never got to go on any field trips when I was an orphan.">"Oh...?">"Maybe because the orphanage burned down...">"O-oh...?">"Melfy the Burninator's so cool."
>>55390628Oh. Well, in that case, you mean the SETTING'S off, or the tone, not the character.>naturally in a darker setting that idealism is exploited- but thats not the point, in that darker setting you dont get comedic antics or disney songs, and the only kind of idealism allowed is bitter determination and steeled resolveEh, I don't really think that's necessarily true. You can have Disney songs and comic relief alongside stuff like demonic temptation if you want to. I mean, not to excuse the gargoyles, but is "Hellfire" not a Disney song anymore?
>>55390663>"Fire! Fire! Fire!"
>>55390567The idea is that the starry eyed villain (who is essentially a good, if edgy, teen girl) does *not* end up morally reprehensible. The Faustian bargain is used to tempt people into sin, not make a sinner cross a line with the audience. The gimmick here is "rebellious phase" not "descent into depravity".
>>55390703Eh, I guess I was sort of on with the idea of making them an actual villain. What I think is relevant to the whole "demonic temptation" thing is that their mindset doesn't necessarily even have to change. They wanted the power to do reprehensible things, and the demon gives them that power, and unless they were just fucking around before they would proceed to do reprehensible things.Whether or not they decide they LIKE doing these things, though, is still out there. Which is where you could have the grounds for a heel-turn into the kind of good, but edgy girl you might already be thinking of. I dunno man, I guess I'm just saying that this idea as a germ has a lot of potential in a bunch of different directions.
>>55390765If you wanted to go a shade more serious with the premise later innings game, it might be interesting if they made smthat sorting Faustian bargain without reading the fine print or realt understanding what Big-E EvilReally meant. Maybe the rest of the party has to help them get their soul back, or stop events they'd set in motion that they now regret.I do love the idea of the comically idealistic, completely missing the point villian-wannabe though.
>>55390765i think that a situation where actually big E evil things happen would be against the spiritthe point is that for all their talk of being evil and burning orphanages and raising the dead- they dont actually have it in them to be vile to others (hence the naive idealism angle)so if the demon is similarly mischievous but not evil (say an imp or some such) that could work, but a properly evil demon is too dark for the idea. some kind of "ancient power" that while EVIL doesn't care enough to act but is bound with (insert mcguffin) here could work tho
>>55389938Megamind is great.>Presentation!
>>55390851Imps can be a lot of fun, or perhaps she's managed to make a pact with some legendarily evil being from the distant past, one that several of her heroes called upon to help cut wide and bloody swathes across the continent, only to discover that its mellowed out CONSIDERABLY in its retirement and really can't be bothered to empower her to be anything more than a modest nuisance.
>>55390765>>55390851The other option is that one day she actually does meet the Dark Lord, and hasn't yet come to terms with the fact that true evil isn't what she thought it would be. Knowing this, the Dark Lord exploits her weakness and turns her on her allies, resulting in their capture or retreat - after all, he can't kill them in front of her yet. She becomes his apprentice for a while, before she is eventually instructed to kill her former party, resulting in her either pulling a Darth Vader at the end of episode 6 or a Darth Vader at the end of episode 3.
>>55390905>only to discover that its mellowed out CONSIDERABLY in its retirement and really can't be bothered to empower her to be anything more than a modest nuisance.even better if its old and crotchety and fond of DRAMA and CINEMATIC and really cant understand her small scale demans >"mortal, you have summoned me THE MIGHTY LORD DESTROYER what is your command? ">"can you go and steal jenny mcsmiths hat?">"you summon the lord of darkness to steal hats?">"yes, BECAUSE IM EVIL">>55390945this too
>>55390978Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I posted that in the first place. It's definitely more dramatic than the "comic relief" faux-evil character, for better or for worse
>>55391059Even if I do prefer the more light-hearted characterization, I like that this character concept can be dramatic, tragic or comedic with only minor adjustments.
>>55384412>tfw a hentai page simultaneously breaks your dick and your heart
>>55391187You could do it all in one game. I'd imagined >>55390978 happening near the finale of the campaign when I wrote it, after more light-hearted shenanigans for the entire rest of the game.
>>55391187Naive/delusional characters are always fun because they have an easy, built in character arc: what happens when they're no longer naive/delusional?
>>55391329Good question. With our girl here, I'd imagine that it might include finding something to believe in that's not evil, finding who she is or should be after spending so long desperately trying to be a villain, and attempting to fix or make amends for what she may have done purposefully or inadvertently in her pursuit of villainy.
>>55391007And of course, she'd want to hear ALL his old stories from way back in the day when he empowered her childhood heroes.
I want to find out more about this Melfy the Burninator our girl seems to idolize so much. Something tells me her story is half exaggerated rumors and half wishful imaginings.
>>55390978>Darth Vader at the end of episode 3>Big E tells our would-be villain to turn on the heroes>agrees to do it>it's for the PLOT>they're supposed to defeat her and turn her to good>edgy, still-kinda-villainous good, basically like before but wearing less black, but good nonetheless>nope>gets dismembered>abandoned>left to die>rescued by Big E>wants to cry herself to sleep because her friends did this to her>she wasn't going to really kill them>it was a necessary plot point>don't they get that?>cries>gets prosthetics to replace missing parts>still cries>browses Fantasy Land TV Tropes>tries to reassure herself this is all part of the PLOT>somehow>cries more>misses her friends>misses her legs, too>finds the right page>realizes this is her call to villainy>it all happened for a reason>she's supposed to become a REAL villain now>so saith the PLOT>decrees that if this is the role fate has in mind for her, so be it>throws herself into it full tilt>starts wearing more eyeshadow>more black clothes>including lacy, black undies>(even though virgins should wear white panties)>finally crosses the moral event horizon>says her first swear word
>>55392480That's a terrible fate that's befallen her. If we're going dramatic, I like the idea of a growing disconnect between the romanticized villainous fantasy she's created for herself and the actual reality of her situation, and the sort of mental gymnastics (PART OF THE PLOT) she might end up performing to make it all work in her head.
>>55392480>you know, I could grow back your legs. I've got the magic power for it.>No, I want to get prosthetics! If I'm gonna be a Villain, I'm gonna need a cool permanent injury!
>>55392846And then it comes back around to hilarious.
>>55392480No, she's not wrong. Why would she be wrong? She did everything right. They're the ones who went off script. They're not the right kind of hero.
>>55393188How terribly disappointing that would be.
>Learned everything she knows about villainy from old storybooks, exaggerated rumors and a whole lot of overactive teenage imagination.>Constantly threatens her neighbors and the town's shopkeepers with doooooooooooom, but can't pull off anything worse than pranks.
>>55392846> Is about to betray her master to become the real BBEG, when suddenly he casts a spell to restore her limbs"MY LIMBS! THEY'RE BACK! YOU MONSTER!""And now you know why I am the master.""Well, see how you like THIS!">kerzap"MY TEETH! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FIGHTS I HAD TO GET INTO TO GET THEM AS HORRIBLY MALIGNED AS THEY WERE?! Right then!>finger snap"Y-you fixed my back! I HAD MY POSTURE JUST RIGHT, YOU ASS!"> At this point, they more or less just Crazy Diamond the shit out of each other while crying and screaming, until they're both beautiful sobbing messes
>>55394707>>55386226>>55384042are these from a doujin or something?
>>55394561There's so much fun to be had, playing around with these clichés.
>>55390663>"so once we go inside I want goodbane evilskull to cast his aura of courage and zebella to-">"BURN THE PRINCESS!!">"what n-">"Maim the princess?">"no, zebe-">"not even for just a tiny bit">"zebella no w-">>"Alright let's do this BY THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!!!!!" >"GOODBANE WHAT AR- why do I even bother"
>>55394749read the replies faggot
>>55384412>>55391203Implying this is an issue
>>55383128isn't that basically invader zim or the league of super evil?
>>55383128take out the overly cheerful implications>who is Kylo Ren?
>>55387591They grow up into being the villain who has STYLE. PRESENTATION.
>>55390065The ones you don't get invited to, yes
>>55395565>league of super evil?god i loved that shownot to mention that the big power armored guy looked cool
>>55395265Cat guy here. But I didn't imply anything of the sort.>I will not say do not feel, for not all feels are an evil
>>55383128I was thinking of playing my Warforged necromancer like this, actually. He certainly has the style and flair for it. I'm tempted to name him Skulltron, but that's a little too on-the-nose, I believe. A friend's suggestion of "Skullk" might work better.
>>55397961I dig that.
>>55385067looks like it
>>55398227Too direct of a reference, but it would certainly be an appreciable name on its own. If the group likes Death Metal, I'm likely to go with that. He was driven to the black arts in the first place by the noted Warforged fear of the oblivion that follows complete destruction, but his pursuit of evil shall be rooted in pure, Skeletorian glee.
So if the bizarro Disney villains sing heartfelt up-tempo songs of evil, do the good guys get a dramatic show-stopping Hero Song?
>>55398321Can anything like that compete with "I Need a Hero" in the climax of Shrek 2? I've never known how to cope with possibly the most thrilling climax in modern cinema being from Shrek 2.
>>55383128>A young orphan grows up reading great tales of the past, of powerful and noble heroes striking down strong and malevolent villains>For some reason (perhaps a desire for more control of her life, which has always been dictated by others?) she identifies more with the villains than the heroes>Sets out with aspirations to become one of the greatest villains ever seen>She wishes to subjugate the entire world with her magic>Problem: her "magic" is amateur level at best>She "terrorizes" the local peasant population by turning their grain blue, growing their cows an extra tail, and making the water in all the wells fizzy>The locals aren't so much worried as they're confused, and decide to put some adventurers on the case>Our "villainess" is extremely flattered that a group of noble heroes has been sent out to take her down and starts fangirling over them>Said heroes manage to easily find their way into her "stronghold" (a wooden cabin) and cleverly avoid all the "traps" (a bucket of water on top of the front door)>She offers them all tea and cookies because she can't contain her excitement>She's especially impressed by the big, strong paladin>After an awkward in-party discussion, the heroes decide to let her off the hook if she apologizes to the locals and doesn't start trouble again>Foolish fools! They expect an arch-villainess to hold her word!>The next morning the paladin discovers his underwear is missing
>>55398644>making the water in all the wells fizzyAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>55395006>Goodbane EvilskullI recognize that meme!
Considering the potential full dive into villainy after her friends "go off script", and considering Boku No Hero Academia came up already, why not aim for the mentor villain/now less naive villain relationship being more like All For One and Tomura? That is to say, maybe the mentor took her on for more reasons than just to cripple the party. Maybe they had been crippled or mortally wounded by a past hero, and with their time now too limited to see it through now are putting that energy into success through the one they choose to carry the legacy.
>>55385666>KilgoreDoes he love the smell of napalm in the morning?
>>55395006>"Zabella, what are you... doing...?">"I'm brooding.">"But why...?">"Brooding is... just... what you do, when you aren't fighting, or plotting, or scheming... right...?">"No... no, why don't you come out of the shadows and sit over here... by the fire... with the rest of us.">"Well... alright...">"Here, just, sit down with us. Clara made you dinner. You should eat it before it gets cold."
>>55398644>>55391007>>55390905Empowered by the forces of evil to...be a minor nuisance and major source of confusion to all the people of her village.
>>55385148Please. Black General-san is a pure stalker. She has no...almost no murderous impulses.
>>55387933>see Shigaraki TomuraI'm sold on the idea of villains experiencing character development (an apathetic assassin who goes through so much shit working for some mad wizard he eventually decides to just take over the joint would make for an awesome BBEG, for example) but Shigaraki is a terrible example. He's the mary-sue of villainy.
>>55399202>She has no...almost no murderous impulses.
>>55399229That was obviously the logical and rational response to that scenario, as the next page clearly shows.
>>55390198Eh, Disgaea is an odd case (at least 3, which I played). The devil's society in that setting exist in a sort of cartoonish negative copy of human society (for example, honor students are the equivalent of the bully, class is held only to see who can arrive the latest,etc) that doesn't really stand on its own outside of comedic relief.
>>55399271>Japanese demons are either the good guys all along, incompetent villains or both
>>55391440Or, alternatively, finding cynical and pragmatic reasons to continue being evil. >Yeah, burning villages is Evil, but dead villagers don't leave much in the way of loot>Pillage, THEN burn.
>>55390886>Welcome to the jungle!
>>55399286Well, I mean, if memory serves me correctly, Mao spent the majority of the game using Almaz's Hero title (because only a Hero can defeat his shitty dad Demon Lord, duh). Meanwhile Almaz, the true hero of the game, got increasingly demeaning demonic titles. So a bit of both columns.
>>55399352Well, except for the brief segment when he decided to steal the title of Prism Ranger Red.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KVrQLUet0
>>55399327I suppose that it all depends on how broken her spirit is once she realizes that this ridiculous, romantic fantasy she's built up in her mind over the years never existed at all.Alternatively-alternatively, she could declare that the Big-E Evils the party faced weren't TRUE Villains like SHE aspires to be. Whether or not she actually believes this, or it is just bluster to make her feel better depends on if you want to continue her misadventures in a purely comedic fashion.
>>55399820>Oh, you're a villain all right. Just not a SUPER one.
Wait, so this isn't how people play neutral Warlocks normally?
>>55400083Her first step on the road to redemption.>>55400127That's a great line and a great way for her to justify the difference between her brand of villainy and the kind that kills worlds.>>55400135You're probably right.
>>55400135isnt that more "knowledge/ power for its own sake"?hell, even actually evil warlocks dont tend to be warlocks for the purpose of being evil
>>55399130>Zabella tries to make dinner>it always comes out burnt>clara eats it, but hates it. Goodbane actually likes it. Nameless party leader attempts to teach her how to cook but fails in epic proportions,
>>55402191I dunno, the trade normally seems played more for raw power than knowledge of fell magics. I mean, yeah, it is rarely evil for evil' s sake, but at the end of the day it amounts to selling your soul for super powers to brandish as you see fit. The rest just hinges on your ambition and imagination. What I see here is someone who wants to be infamous but lacks the imagination to be more than a nuisance, since they think love and adoration beyond their grasp - just like their idols. So they sell their soul for power to become a scourge of the region, but in their execution utterly and miserably fail since they don't have it in them to really be malicious
>>55395006>goodbane evilskullWe're rapidly approaching Arthurian Cycle-level intertextuality here. Get Los Tiberon in here and we'll top even the Iliad.
>>55402410>"Cooking is just... Dominating the ingredients and bending them to your will... Right...?">"Have you... ever cooked anything before? Ever?">"Well... No..."
>>55383128>They grew up idolizing the great evil overlords of the pastLike Monarchists and Mongol fanboys? :^)
We need some more evil overlords to have our hopeful-villain fangirl over. Melfy the Burninator seems to be a personal "hero" of hers, but who else is there?
>>55402856An ancient evil, really cranky and tired of his fans?
>>55402856Iron-Scales - a kobold death knight who would kill orcs in hordes and raise them to fight other orcs (Also secretly would disguise as a cleric and heal people under different name, becoming his own arch opposer/hero)
>>55402856The Woebringer, a flying serpent-man that heralds kingdoms' dooms. Has a great weight loss program going.Killius Caine, lich of the Whining Mountains, motivational speaker.Ozymandia, Idol of Deceit, is a literal pop idol.
>>55402596(I want more of this)
>>55402895>yfw the author is also the author of Tomo-chanIt still blows my mind how the perviest artists are able to go "legit" read: normie.
>>55402906>Golgoron the Hope-EnderOnce a being of unfathomable power and evil, summoned again and again to aid villains in their destructive schemes, Golgoron is now long-retired and treats being summoned in the same way you or I would treat being called on by a telemarketer or traveling salesman. He may appreciate their enthusiasm and commitment to their chosen profession, but he's not interested in ending anyone's hopes right now, thank you.
>>55403086Sounds like he lives up to his epithet.
>>55402780>monarchistsYou mean orangists right? Fucking protestants.
>>55403134>You mean orangists right? Fucking protestants.>Accusing me of being a protestantPlease, I was baptized Catholic. I bet you're one of those Orthoboos who rejects the authority of the pope.
>>55403048we all do
>>55390198yeah when I read>The aspiring villain is sort of like a Disney Hero or Princess in reverse: they are a character who wants very, very badly to be evil, but pursues their wicked goals with the same enthusiasm, optimism and light-heartedness as their heroic counterparts.>They grew up idolizing the great evil overlords of the past, hoping and dreaming to someday achieve the same levels of comically hammy infamy, singing stirring, heartfelt songs about their villainous desires while trying to make every encounter more dramatic.My mind went "that sounds like a character you would play in Disgaea or a setting inspured by Disgae's underworld".
>>55403155>accusing me of being a schismatic fagIRELAND FOREVERUK NEVER
>>55403081I like it when artists can produce smut and normal projects and not have the former drag down the latter or vice versa.
>>55403255>Irish Catholic fighting dirty AnglicansOh shit my bad brother. Keep up the good fight by blowing up inns!
>>55402596>Zabella, awkwardly wearing an apron over her impractically spiky warlock's robes, proceeds to gleefully pulp tomatoes in her hands, hack the venison to bits and throw the "evilest" smelling herbs and slices into the stewpot, cackling like a witch over her brew as Clara tries to rein her wicked exuberance in and keep the meal at least somewhat edible.
>>55403255>dirty potato nigger
>>55394561>Crazy DiamondYou're describing Pearl Jam, anon. Crazy Diamond only fixes wounds, not afflictions, and it does it all at once.Bonus if they appear horribly wounded at first only to end up better off, just like Pearl Jam does to Okuyasu.
>>55403302This ain't a wholesome cutesy aspiring overlord thread anymore, this is the 30 years war meets the Troubles and Whale Wars, and this time the Catholics are gonna kick your ass.Come at me, knave.>>55403345Completely 100% true.
>>55403358>Catholics are gonna kick your ass.because that worked for so well for the spanish and the frenchgo and drown yourself in your Guinness paddy
>>55403109You know, you're right. He is still ending hopes, in a way.
Can we please not turn the thread into a trainwreck?
>>55385813Or Professor chaos>>55383801You know, I wouldn't have a problem with a woman i was with doing things like that to me, but it would have to be within the scope of agreed upon behavior. I dislike non-con and humiliation so the fact that its really hard to find material on unusual things that doesn't have one or both of those things gets frustrating.
>>55402856She has heard of Rapestab McGenocide a few times. Though she refuses to believe that he is a nice person. He can't be. Someone with such a cool name has to follow his calling right?If not she has to make him.
>>55403022>Ozymandia, Idol of Deceit, is a literal pop idol.Ozymandia is old and busted. Lady Malvolia is the new hotness. Did you hear she cooked three godlings alive during her last concert and fed them to the audience? Don't forget to buy from the Lady Malvolia fashion line at Golden Volcano.
>>55403461Professor Chaos is actually anther good example.
>>55403576>spent all their money on that old hag's concerts>stuck with her disgusting merchandiseI don't blame you for being angry. We can't all be successful and keep up with trends.
>>55403675This is why Ozymandia married a hero and shattered my dreams.
>>55403556>>55403022>Zabella convinces the party to go and see the final, epic confrontation between Ozymandia and Lady Malvolia, prophesied to be the ragna-rock by several noteworthy bardic cults.>Zabella has the time of her life seeing two of her idols waging musical war against each other while the rest if her party managed to prevent the end-of-days that had been foreseen.>They all leave with souvenir tunics from the merch tent.
>>55403747>The rest of the party besides Goodbane stick out because they don't look as malevolent or "enthusiastic"
>>55403436what chinese cartoon is this from
>>55403747>>55403777>They did enjoy the concert though, except for the conservative healer who was more paranoid about being groped
>>55403747I'd pay to see this.
>>55402780Or Muslims.Or Communists.Or National Socialists.Or Fascists(as in the historical Itallian ones)
>>55403863Or basically anyone.
>>55403802>Days later, Clara is heard quietly humming the epic rock ballad that nearly ended the world to herself as they walk.
>>55404110>A passing Paladin hears and is utterly convinced Clara is the gestalt reincarnation of both Lady Malvolia and Ozymandia.>Tries smiting the foul villain, but every attempt fails comically, but so does any attempts to harm him by the rest of the party resulting in a flop-fight of epic spaghetti dropping proportions. Still resists being reasoned with and runs away, vowing to return 'JUSTICE NEVER RESTS!'>Zabella is actually pretty stoked to be noticed by a Paladin, but also really depressed that the Paladin only noticed her because she was around Clara.>Unnamed leader just wishes they could get a break for one stinking day.
This thread sure went to shit. Nice going, neo-/tg/.
>>55404577all the "quality discussion" was already had in the orginal thread and the beginning of this one, what did you want to happen?
>Zabella suspects that she's starting to "lose her edge" traveling around with a group of heroes as she is.>She's not quuuuuuite ready to stab them all in the back yet, though she tooooootally will! Ghoul Scout's honor!>At their next stay in a big city she sets off by to commit some truly heinous acts to prove just how evil she is.>Each of her attempts at villainy falls flat, often with her somehow helping or making things better with her failure.>At the end of the day, desperate for a way to show just how evil she is, she comes close to kicking a puppy.>Unable to bring herself to do it, she returns to her party in defeat, moaning about how she's no longer bad.>The party leader asks where she's been all day and if she bought the supplies she'd promised she would.>Zabella is overjoyed to hear this because it means she broke a promise and technically "betrayed" the party.
>>55404733>Zabella tries to burn down the orphanage>fails utterly and now the orphanage has a friendly fledgeling firedemon trapped in the furnace>Follows goodbane to his counselling session for the corrupted princess so that she could corrupt her even more.>The princess and zabella bond and cry over their lack of a parental figure in their life, just the breakthrough Goodbane was waiting for.>Zabella returns to the bazaar robs an honest merchant>the honest merchant was actually a fence for the thieves guild, the guards take all of her loot as evidence>walks back to the party depressed>passes by a caged owlbear behind a back alley>she releases it and runs thinking it will cause chaos and destructions>the owlbear was sedated and was smuggled into the city by a poaching ring>the guards end up busting the whole ring and the corrupted guards in their payroll a month after they left the city
>>55399271The 3 specifically makes a school setting but it's really the only game in the series.Outside of 2, you're always playing as the ultimate childish bad guys who actually do all sorts of evil stuff from slavery to pillaging all with childish innocence and glee to go around.
>>553992713 is one of the worst story wise because of that schtick.
>>55402856Dave Evilskull, Goodbanes grandfather.
>>55402856Egnalax the Vile
>>55404875>>55404733It makes me wonder if our girl's party has to use reverse psychology and gently trickery to get her to act good.
>>55383128when you find yourself giving your GM notes lyrics to "We Are Number One" as filenames
>>55405075Goodbane's dad is really dissapointed in his son, Seriously think this whoke paladin thing is just his rebellious ohase
>>55405318Zebella sides with his dad and guilt-trips Goodbane into spending the weekend with them, temporarily splitting the party.
>>55405432Dave thinks zebella is a great influence for goodbane, So he sets up goodbane and zebella on dates in hopes of zebella turning goodbane evil.
>>55385633May wanna read that one again, bud.
>>55405458While Zebella is super flattered and thinks the dungeons beneath Dave's grim fortress are TOTALLY romantic, she just doesn't see Goodbane "that way" and must work with him to escape the deathtrap-date his father has engineered for them.
>>55383855I'll try and make this happen once I get home.
>>55403541>zebella meets Rapestab Mcgenocide>gives zebella words of encouragement and tells her to follow her dreams
>>55405876they escape but zebella begins to set goodbane up with her marginally evil friends
>>55394707I have not found this particular pages in my search. Where did this come from?
>>55390291I think the actual reasoning behind flonne and priere is that the difference between A demon and an angel or human, physiologically, is near to none. There's the cultural divide between them, but when all is said and done they can get along fine, like laharl, etna, flonne, and even Gordon/Jennifer/Thursday. Nah, the one you are talking about is the big bad of 3 and vulcanus, who "Becomes the demon" as a result of their moral choices rather than some pre-determined state. Basically, the lesson is that the true demons are those that act like true demons, not those born as such.
>>55396135A fucking loser.
>>55406980That might just be fanart, I think. Not on the page for it. Can't blame em though, that gal is cute!
>>55407370I can see why the OP chose her for this thread.
>>55399229Lets be honest here, she is still a villain. In a theoretical sense, she isn't wrong. But she'd never actually do that or act on it because she's to busy messing with braveman
>>55404991The shtick itself was stupid, but the idea of a "Delinquent" Like beryl, and beryl as a character in general, was pretty cool.
>>55403801its from Re:Creators. Just don't bother. It goes so full retard so often it isn't even worth it.That girl specifically goes full retard to often to count. Calling her a saber is an insult to the intelligence of sabers.
>>55407547If I enjoy pic related as a fetish, is Re:Creators worth watching it or should I ignore it too?
>>55407547really? i thought that was mordred
>>55407587Its really not worth the effort. More often than not that girl is just going full retard to the best of her abilities.>>55407620Nope. the hair is too floofy and rounded. The armor is different as well.
>>55407660Fucking hell why can't I just get an anime about a knight(female) princess carrying a damsel in distress(male)?>Inb4 Witch Craft WorksWitches aren't knights.
>>55407700While i agree with you on that, i'd still say witchcraft works is good, especially for the fetish.Still, that girls entire character for the 10 or so episodes i watched was "I've never read a book in my fucking life, don't understand the point of fiction or literary anything, and am angry someone thought up a fictional world where i'm at war REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE". She even believes the story of a bitch who's abilities literally revolve around lying. Half truths are the best she ever manages. Knight bitch even knows she speaks in nothing but lies and thinks fucking threatening her will do anything to stop that.I dunno if it got better after that because i dropped it like a sack of bricks. The characters are all retarded for letting this other girl roam around unmitigated, and knight girl is literally retarded, The main characters a fucking idiot that can't just out with his issue and solve the fucking plot.Its a train wreck. It looks good most of the time, even has good sound design for the most part, but fuck if it isn't terrible.
>>55406615Hell, I'd watch this show.
>>55403556>Lady MalvoliaOh no, what is she going to do? Wear her yellow stockings cross-gartered at me?
>>55408638Use your entrails as anal lube.
>>55408638Liquefy your innards with death metal?
>>55409062I mean, thats pretty metal in and of itself.
>>55403255>catholics>not the original schismatics
>>55409252ORTHOSGET THE FUCK OUT
>>55409308Yeah, we're getting out right and well, just as you nerds go on to enjoy that sweet eternal separation maymay. Take your time, all of it.
>>55408995>>55409062it was a Twelfth Night reference
>>55409399I don't remember that being in the Christmas carol.
>>55383128I always wondered what an ENFP villain would be like >Great job everyone! Once we've harvested enough puppy bloooood, the ritual can begin!>Woot! Woot!
>>55410290>"Give a cheer if you love demon summoning as much as I dooooooooooooo!"
>>55404269>Plot twist! Clara actually turns out to be the gestalt reincarnation of Lady Malvolia and Ozymandia.>They're too busy fighting each other in her head trying to take control for her to actually do Evil things but she pings as Evil to everyone>Zabella is SUUUUUUUUUUUUPER jealous>>55408468>showThis is a great show and I would throw money to see it made.
>>55387951One cent is pretty cheap.
>>55384018>said by someone who has never found medical examination unpleasantBetween having my blood sampled by someone who knows what they're doing and getting my prostate checked, there's a lot less physical discomfort involved in getting my blood drawn.
>>55410516There's something both ridiculous and charming about the idea.
>>55411087Well I certainly hope so!also>Zabella is really jealous but she doesn't confront Clara about it at any point>I-its not because you were the first person in the group to foolishly reach out to 'befriend' me! F-f-foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!
>>55406600>Hating the fact the Rapestab McGenocide is indeed a nice guy, she actually hit a low-point and needed his words of wisdom>He walks towards a shining sunset while simultaneously stabbing townsfolk with throwing knives>"H-He's too soft.."
>>55403234YWN have a spooky demon girl to hypnotize you and jerk you off. Why live.
>>55411012>a CG devil gave zabella her powers>she thinks she is a wizard but she's actually a sorcerer
>>55411457Make it a reality.
God. I want a show or a manga starring Zabella.
>>55414648I would as well. Just story about a young warlock who wants so very much to be "evil," trying to find her way in the wide, wide world, making friends and getting into situations that make her relationship with villainy and the forces of goodness far more complicated than she would like.
>>55389798>>55389915She is an incompetent villain.She gets an incompetent demon. Because no competent demon wants her. Even the smaller ones would rather go after the ambitious, reckless grocer who will stop at nothing to become the town's mayor.
>>55414761She's a remedial case.
>>55390663Now I'm imagining her with Tyni Tina's voice.
>>55406535ZABELLA:Little town,Little stupid villageEvery dayJust a giant bore,Little townFull of stupid peasantsWho see me and say:PEASANTS:No more! No more! No more! No more! No more!ZABELLA:I'm gonna have an evil day, like alwaysI'm gonna raise a little HellToday's mission's just the sameSince the first day that I cameTo this poor pathetic townPOOR BAKER:Hello "Zabelle."ZABELLA:IT'S ZABELL-A!!! THE MERCILESS!!! YOUR FUTURE OVERLORD!!!POOR BAKER:Whatever... Where are you off to, today?BELLE:TO THE... to, the bookshop!I just finished the most wicked tomeAbout demon summoning and -POOR BAKER:That's nice... Marie!The baguettes!Hurry up!PEASANTS:Look there she goes, that girl is strange, no questionA little edgy, can't you tell?WOMAN:Never making any friendsMAN:Working toward such "evil" ends.PEASANTS:No denying she's a funny girl, "Zabelle"ZABELLA:IT'S ZABELLA THE MERCILESS!!!((Just getting to this now, and WOW, this is a long song...))
>>55414937>BELLEForgot that one.Anyway, I may or may not finish this. It's a longer song than I remembered and its comic novelty might wear off with length.
>>55415258Even this much is good anon. We thank you for your comedic efforts.
>>55415258>>55415823>Za-BELLE-aWhy did it take me this long to figure this out?And agreed, good shit man
>>55414937MAN I:Hallo!WOMAN I:Good day!MAN I:How is your family?WOMAN 2:Hallo!MAN 2:Good day!WOMAN 2:How is your wife?WOMAN 3:I need six eggs!WOMAN 4:That's too expensive!ZABELLA:How can they all live such, pathetic lives...BOOKSELLER:Ah, Zabelle.ZABELLA:ZABELLA. THE. MERCILESS.I've come to obtain more dark knowledge!BOOKSELLER:"Dark knowledge," riiiiiight...ZABELLA:To make me even more powerful!Have you got any new grimoires?!BOOKSELLER:You've already "borrowed" them all.ZABELLA:UNACCEPTABLE!What else do you have, bookworm?!BOOKSELLER:What about fairytales?I have a book of pretty grim ones.ZABELLA:It will have to do!Wicked fairies, evil stepmothers, vile curses, a witch in disguise -BOOKSELLER:Take it... Just go on and take it...ZABELLA:WITHOUT PAYING!!!BOOKSELLER:Of course...ZABELLA:MWA-HAA-HAA!!!MY WICKEDNESS KNOWS NO BOUNDS!!!
>>55416841PEASANTS:Look there she goes that girl is so peculiarI wonder if she's feeling wellWith a spooky, far-off lookCackling at some creepy bookWhat a puzzle to the rest of us, "Zabelle"ZABELLA:It's so infuriating!How they all make fun, but soon they'll see!I will be celebrating,As they all take turns to beg and grovelAt my feeeeeet!!!WOMAN:Now it's no wonder that we think she's loopyHer quirks are hard to undersellSHOPKEEPER:She desires to be fearedBut we all just think she's weirdMAN:Very different from the rest of usPEASANTS:She's nothing like the rest of usYes, different from the rest of us, Zabelle!ZABELLA:MY NAME'S ZABELLA!!! GET IT RIGHT OR FACE MY WRATH!!!
>>55416095>>55415823Thanks folks. Still working on this, around a bit of business I'm taking care of.
>>55404875>the orphans decide to turn their orphanage into an illegal bathhouse, using the firedemon to heat the baths. >Turns into a full on yakuza extortion ring run by orphans. >The kids decide to find Zabella to thank and recruit her. She gleefully accepts.>within a single day manages to disband the entire organisation and get every orphan adopted into a happy home.
>>55417125Some people have the unfortunate ability to turn everything they touch to shit. Zabella has the opposite problem.
This is essentially Zabella to the eyes of the townsfolk.Just insert EBIL REEEEE where appropriate
>>55417231Naturally, the ONE time she tries doing Good she ends up causing everything to go to shit.
>>55417747But when would that happen? When she realizes that the party she's been adventuring with weren't really pawns and were actually her friends?
>>55417828Iunno. Random 'episode' idea.
To whomever it may concern, the thread's been thrown up onto the Sup/tg/ Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Young%2C+Bright-Eyed%2C+Aspiring+Villains
>>55417942cool. i was hoping someone would Screenshot this or something similar.
>>55416850I'm not sure what to do with the rest. At this point in the song, Le Fou and Gaston enter, and I'm not sure who should sing their roles. Perhaps the Party Leader and Cleric Clara?
>>55383128Best example I've seen.
>>55417828I'd like to see that moment, where she realizes that she's stopped being a villain, and that the party members she's been treating as her pawns or henchmen were actually her friends and family.
>>55421000Then she tries to do a musical number like Javert's suicide, but Clara stops her. With love
>>55421222The love of a friend, because there's more than one kind of love.
>>55421405Complete with intertwined hands
>>55390978Or she finds the Dark Lord is retired and doesn't want to talk about his past, but she keeps pestering him until finally he agrees to take her out and show her how they used to do it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zKCIf-vfbc
At some point she meets literal Hitler, who she's a fan of, but then he explains his sincere motives beyond,"Because I'm evil", which runs in contrast with her "evil for the sake of evil" viewpoint.
>>55421518This revelation makes her defeat him effortlessly showing off just how true EVIL ACTS!!!!!The rest of the party is terrified.
>>55422719he'd just be some 50-something human with no real abilities beyond a high speechcraft skillnot exactly "terrifying"
>>55422719>The rest of the party is terrifiedBut also happy for some reason. They're not sure why, they hardly knew the guy.
>>55422845Not him. What's terrifying is what she did to him.
>>55421443Calm that shit down.
>>55422719>The supposedly evil party member kills the man responsible for the largest war in history because he was true to his convictions instead of doing it "for the evulz"