How do you use those parts of Africa that happen to be above the Tropic of Capricorn in your sci-fi settings, /tg/?Do you think Egyptian mythology works in a science fiction context or is it played out?What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?
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>>58147223It's a sad day for /tg/ when can't discuss an entire continent.
>>58147220>What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?Accra. Scamming and digital currency salvaging goes big league and you have rich thugs walking around with sketchy implants while the country itself is still a developing mess.
>>58147220Doing pretty good thanks to some more logical border choices. Like the rest of the setting, Everything Went Better Than Expected (tm).
>>58147232We used to have awesome Africa threads all the time on /tg/ but these days they always get hijacked by /pol/ screaming shit and redditors who can’t ignore trolls.
>>58147220>Do you think Egyptian mythology works in a science fiction context or is it played out?It might or might not be played out, but doesn't stop it from being awesome either way.>>58147305That seems to be every thread on 4chan I go into these days.
>>58147220>What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?Lagos. Huge population, growing steadily and Nigeria is doing pretty well for itself on the whole.
>>58147305>>58147327Post sci-fi black folks and/or techno-Egyptian art.
>>58147406Pretty cool, but the scarab symbol seems kind of on the nose compared to the helmet being more subtle.
>>58147373Technically steampunk, but Wyrd's new game has some awesome stuff for their Abyssinia army.
>>58147305>pic>the glasses>the cell phone holster>are those wallets>and they all blend in so well
>>58147333Current year Lagos is pretty cyberpunk as it is.
You can watch 'Bourne Ultimatum' to get a feeling for the city of Tangier...
>>58147220>What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?As trips over here >>58147333 says, Lagos is a fine choice - let us not forget that one of the most well-known (if memed) bits of publicly-known about cybercrime is famously associated with Nigeria. South Africa has a lot of the things you'd expect in cyberpunk - it's a country where anti-theft flamethrowers are a car accessory you can buy, and there's a lot of money about. Johannesburg would be the biggest example,having some truly massive suburb sprawl as well as a skyscraper city-centre. Cairo is a huge sprawling mess that's perfect for contrasting old and new, what with the incredibly ancient pyramids there. It's also one of the biggest places in the arab world, and known as the sort of place where you can get anything.FFG's Android setting (which is doing an African cycle right now) makes use of one fact - Africa is one of the most convenient places for a space elevator if you have the tech for that - Lake Victoria is being used as a base for floating construction, and the position of being bordered by several nations helps for massive growth.
TFW Africa is a lazily-constructed mess in Shadowrun and they'll probably never fix it because nobody cares about settings outside North America.
>>58147891>and they'll probably never fix it because CGL is a shitty company and don't fix anythingFTFY>>58147627Also the headphones.Rural Africans are really big fans of cell phones - I mean, everyone is, they're useful, but the lack of need for infrastructure other than some cheap towers really goes quite a way to connect people.
>>58148048>Rural Africans are really big fans of cell phones - I mean, everyone is, they're useful, but the lack of need for infrastructure other than some cheap towers really goes quite a way to connect peopleBokors of the far future will have cellphones as fetishes - whether they're working or not. The spirits themselves agree, it's much easier to phone or text a Bokor than having to teleport to their position whenever a Bokor summons them.That said, SMS-based curse wars when?
>>58147522I don't see the Amhara influence here. Heck I has more south american vibe than anything else.
>>58148092Curses as a form of (or in conjunction with - using magical backup for the technical, or the other way around) viruses or worms affecting a cyberspace network might be cool - after all, if there's an avenue for attack, why not use it?But yeah, spirits don't need to have any aversion to modernity
Anyone can explain to me why everytime a they use africans they use the ugliest ones in the west coast instead of the superior, more civilized and a lot more interesting east? They could sue the Fula/woodabe at least, they are lot more handsome.Heck, lookin at the other side "Abysinia" and they have inspired themsevles in west africans for the faces and Amhara/ethiopians influences are nill, they could be called Brasilian Federation or something like that and would be a lot more fitting, the prince specially with the uber muscled figure doesn't look ethiopian at all.
>>58148303We could have true cuties in mini form,isn't like Ethiopia lack cute tribes.
Not got many photos, but got quite a few black people in cyberpunk>>58147220The Maghreb area has it's own unique flavour - Marrakesh, Casablanca, Tangier, Algiers etc.
>>58147223OP's pic isn't obvious enough from the thumbnail.
>>58148377>that yellow tint in eyesWould not touch without safety gloves.Nice clean teeth though.
>>58147220>Do you think Egyptian mythology works in a science fiction context or is it played out?Name one critically acclaimed science fiction book, movie, or game with an Egyptian theme
>>58150018Not that anon, but Stargate was the first thing I thought of.
>>58150035ya got me there
>>58147220Three of the four biggest countries/economies work well - Lagos, Cairo and Johannesburg all work as cyberpunk cities and their nations fit, but Ethiopia and Addis Ababa for some reason reason don't seem as fitting as Nirobe and Mombassa, even though it's bigger and as a country it's fairly powerful - in some ways even without a "for an African Nation" qualifier, though not to Nigeria levels by any means
>>58148303That’s a Fulani woman from West Africa. West Africans have 4 major phenotypes with a myriad of subtypes. Pic related is East African for instance.t. Nigerian
This is Eko Atlantic, a huge planned development project in Lagos. It's corporate-funded and built on reclaimed ocean land. Needless to say, cyberpunk as hell.>>58149948That was the intention. >>58148092>Bokors of the far future will have cellphones as fetishes - whether they're working or not. The spirits themselves agree, it's much easier to phone or text a BokorI love this! The idea of an African shaman sending texts to otherworldly beings on a 70-year-old Nokia 3310 is fantastic.
Question: Should Shadowrun and other cyberpunk versions of cities like Lagos and Addis Ababa keep the minibus share taxi system?
>>58151849Arn't most taxis controlled via remote or even ran by cyber spirits? I recall there being a famous taxi cab that had such a creature running it? So I think it would fit having janky looking remote vehicles ran by cyber spirits with a distinct African flavor to their design
>>58148048>Rural Africans are really big fans of cell phones - I mean, everyone is, they're useful, but the lack of need for infrastructure other than some cheap towers really goes quite a way to connect people.I've also heard that in some parts of africa they use prepaid cellphone minutes as a form of currency since the official local currencies are so volatile while the value of cellphone minutes are pretty stable.
>>58147220https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ear,_the_Eye_and_the_ArmCheck this out senpai
>>58147373>egyptian>posts a black person
>>58150018lmao ok stinky what about Assassin's Creed? Stargate?
>>58152154It would be cool to see a more efficient version of the share taxi system still be the main system of transportation.There's no cars on the road at all, just thousands of identical minibuses owned by the same corporation. You walk up to the curb and one immediately picks you up. It's driverless but there's 5-6 strangers inside already, who are they? A friendly old man who makes conversation with you, a pretty young lady you hit it off with, a shady guy in the back who keeps looking at you like you have something he wants, a mysterious man in shades who somehow knows your name... narratively, it's nice to be able to meet people in transit even though everything is automated.>>58152534This is, incidentally, exactly how C-Bills work in Battletech, but in miniature.
>>58148185Its an American company, they took colonial styles of the period and slapped on generic Africa to it. If its not Egyptian, Americans think its one big African culture.
>>58153175>It is no coincidence that you are all in this bus together. i would love to show you my city but you have much work ahead of you and my masters wish to speak with you as soon as possible.
>>58153247>Now that you think about it, this bus did go out of its way to scoop you up instead of any other. But the transport network is highly protected. Who could arrange this? Someone skilled enough to take control without getting caught? The megacorp that controls the buses in the first place? Or perhaps a low-tech solution, someone painted a private bus in corporate livery to fool you?
Aside from regular tech and trade hubs (I'd add Dar es Salaam to the ones mentioned), I'd also like to mention Djibouti. It's essentially a city state, vital to East African and Middle-Eastern shipping and anti-piracy efforts, and hosts military bases from nations like the US, France, and China.
>>58153391>You'll have to forgive the manner in which we picked you up. There are various corporations who install all manner of listening devices and Africa has no shortage of skilled hackers. That and it's not uncommon to have a bus or two pretending to be controlled by the Central Grid to get to places "privately". Now then, onto business shall we?
>>58147627>and they all blend in so wellYou're joking, right?
>>58153114Cleopatra was an inbred Greek, anon.
>>58153580Djibouti is a lot smaller population-wise than the other examples, but you could always handwave "they got real big" in a future setting. Being basically a city that owns a patch of land the size of Israel and sitting in an extremely advantageous spot makes it a pretty good pick.
>>58153891It took me a bit to notice what those pouches were for, which only happened after I looked again at those bits of low-hanging hat and realized they were glasses.>>58153861>he doesn't know about the Yoruba kingdoms>he doesn't know about Great Zimbabwe>he doesn't know the Swahili Coast cities were trading with China while Germans were still squatting in the Roman cities they'd just destroyed>he doesn't recognize which continent Kemet is on, where the medjay were hired from, what counted as Upper Egypt, or even how much intermixing there was>he doesn't even acknowledge EthiopiaGet higher-effort bait, anon.
>>58153861>mfw Americans try to discredit the culture of the people responsible for all the music they listen to and all the foods they eat
>>58147220North Africa actually plays an important part in my setting. Its where the remnants of the European powers fled to after Europe, the US, and China exploded with hell portals, and its where most of the defense against the demons and reclamation attempts are made from.
>>58154228isn't that how the robot uprising GURPS setting works? europe is a fuck, south africa has an insane AI that killed everything on the surface, and north africa and parts of the US are the only places people aren't a fuck
Is modern-day African tribal shit (like Shadowrun's Native Americans) a good idea or is it too on the nose?
>>58154557No idea, never played GURPS. I was working on a Hellgate: London inspired setting, and it made the most sense after blowing up most of Europe and filling it with demons and mutants.
>>58153737>Now then, onto business shall we?What kind of plots and schemes might work uniquely to an African setting?
>>58147305Thats a PC if ive ever seen one
>>58147220Marrakech, Lagos and Johannesburg would fit à cyberpunk setting pretty well.
Semitic peoples count as African too,.
Anything from this set is obligatory.
>>58155352I imagine a large precentage has to do with how our sci-fi Africa pans out. I like the idea of a Space Elevator being smack dab in the middle and thus being the hub for all sorts of corporate hijinks where also outside of the city you have dudes in traditional garb with portable high tech shit and probably cyber animals as well
>>58147220>ITT: A bunch of nibbas who have no fucking idea where the Tropic of Cancer is. It's North Africa. Anyway, in such a setting Islam is going to play a role one way or another. Honestly I can't see them getting to space. The area is as unfriendly to science as the rest of the Islamic world, without the downright ludicrous oil wealth of the Arabian peninsula to just buy the latest toys from the West. >What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?Above the Tropic of Cancer? Can't really think of anything that stands out per se. Maybe In-Salah, mostly for how isolated it is in the middle of the desert. The city mostly existed as a sort of pit-stop for trans-Saharan trade historically. I guess in a sci-fi setting it could be an important stop on the trans-Atlantic railroad. If you want some sci-fi crime in there, aren't some Latin-American drug cartels starting to use West-Africa as a means to get their goods into Europe? A Trans-Saharan railway would be vital for that trade and create some gang warfare in the area as well. Imagine Wild West style train robberies but with desert nomads. Combine it with the cyberpunk Lagos others mentioned.>>58147333>and Nigeria is doing pretty well for itself on the whole.Nigerians are also doing crazy well for themselves in the USA, even when you compare them to other well-off immigrant groups like East Asians. It's a shame the study of IQ is controversial because that's really something that could benefit from more study. I've often heard it said that the Nigerians that come to America are generally Yoruba, who highly value both education and family. That makes me wonder whether, compared to other West-Africans, Yoruba are like the Brahmin caste in India. Even today those in India who descended from the Brahmin caste have a much higher than average IQ for their countries, perhaps Yoruba are the same in West-Africa?
>>58161753>Tropic of Cancer*Capricorn.* It was in vague reference to the previous thread on this matter that got /pol/'d up and deleted.>Nigerians are also doing crazy well for themselves in the USA,Which isn't great for Nigeria. They've got the money to send their kids to the United States but not enough for them to want to come back, which leads to brain drain problems.
>>58147220I make them white
>>58162522That's actually how they looked new.
>>58163167>I bought two tickets to the gun show, but I'm not giving 'em to ya>I'm goin' with YOUR ticket
>>58147220>aboveClearly you're just from the wrong hemisphere
>>58147220I can recommend Transhuman Space: Broken Dreams as it deals with themes how the world outside the hyper-developped countries of the Fourt or Fifth Wave may look like.
>>58147333Came here for this. I forget which splat it’s in but Shadowrun has some pretty cool Lagos material.
>>58164439>How do you use those parts of Africa that happen to be above the Tropic of Capricorn in your sci-fi settings, /tg/?North Africa is dominated by the row of Muslim Arab nations along the Mediterranean coast. Most of these are stable and relatively prosperous, with ties to the European Union. Away from the European trade zone, a few states remain poor and backward.>Do you think Egyptian mythology works in a science fiction context or is it played out?Depends how hard you want it to be, don't forget Africa is big, there will never be a singular culture holding a continent-wide use.>What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?Nairobi because in its vicinity is Terra's space elevator and of course Johannesburg and Cairo.
>>58164527Future African drop-troopers with fetish cellphones for spiritual support when?
>>58164627>Dude why are you carrying around that old ass Nokia phone for? That might actually be worth a fortune to some hipster collector back in the states.>It's for ...Ugh what you say "Good luck" my friend.
>>58165280>Turns out it saved the paratrooper's ass when the giant death mech that was bearing down on him gets hit by the Nokia phone right in its weak spot as a last resort attack by the paratrooper, who lost all his weapons and forgot that the 'grenade' he's holding is actually the Nokia fetish he had, disabling the mech just long enough for backup to arrive>"Thanks ancestor spirit senpai"
>>58147220>What African cities would make a good cyberpunk setting?I'll stick with north of the Tropic ones.The Longest Journey did it interestingly with Casablanca. the trick is that it's actually nice and not fucked up by rebuildingCairo seems pretty much already a cyberpunk slum without even the kewl neon lights, alas. Personally I'd try something like hugeass solar plants, so huge that basically they need cities to make themselves run (which is more or less what they're trying to do in the arabian peninsula). Said cities might be nice, hellholes, probably both. I guess with cheap energy they might do some shit like agricolture of industry if they're not idiots.As I'm actually livin' on the med, tough on the northern shore, I wouldn't mind a more hopeful approach in which what you read on the news on our sea isn't "other people died in boats, and here we bitch about that". I don't think you can pull out a "EU expands" easily, but waddayaknow. Beyond Earth hinted at something like a zone of control of France/smaller EU all the way to Morocco.
>>58164527I always find that screencap cool - there's just not much depiction of the region that's not "Famine-Genocide-Rape-War-Toto-Crying Children" - ironically, for all their famous insensitivity, Top Gear did a very nice special there. And paratroopers special forces are badass.Also Rwanda, being small and resource-poor, is absolutely playing around with Special Economic Zones and foreign investment. That said, at about 1.2 million people, it's not all that big and cyberpunk yetAs a kind of opposite you've got the pretty large, very resource-rich and quite unstable DRC (they do have a lot of money coming in from China, but much of it is from just digging shit out the ground), where the capital, Kinshasa, is fucking huge - 3rd biggest urban area on the continent, and it vies with Paris for the title of largest francophone urban area, so it's quite a good contender for a cyberpunk city by the nature of its sprawl if nothing else. It's also directly across the Congo from the capital of the other Congo, which is about 1/10th of its side. When/if there's a stabilisation it could certainly be a notable place in a cyberpunk setting >>58161753 There's likely some correlation based on economic factors there as well - if you have enough money and/or education to emigrate properly or pursue education in another country, then likely you or your parents were pretty bright (or were real fucking go-getters). But yeah, culturally valuing education is also likely to have some cumulative effect on intelligence - or possibly the other way round, if your group is genetically intelligent then it's not a hard leap to value something you're already good at.
What country(countries) that had a bunch of chinese laborers come in because China was backing a lot of infrastructure projects in them? A big part of this was that some of the laborers were staying and getting married or pretending to get married at least.So do we have half chinese half africans in our sci-fi africa?
>>58166458I don't know that the Chinese are hugely big on intermarrying/mixing with the local population, but I certainly wouldn't think it'd be out the question.For what it's worth, in Netrunner's newest cycle (as mentioned above, it's set in Africa), there's a runner called Kabonesa Wu, who presumably has some chinese ancestry
>>58166633>I can speak reasonably intelligently about large parts of sub Saharan Africa if that assists.Well? No one told you to stop
>>58147436Why the fuck cant Bungie put actual good designs like this in the game? I thought they were just creatively bankrupt, but it turns out they had half-decent concept art they're just not USING?
>>58166680Those were Trial of Osiris Armors in D1
>>58166633>someone says something a bit risque and then this horde of clucking redditors start excoriating and flagellating themselves while pleading for the mods to drive the infidel back to /pol/. Whatever was original being discussed is lost.> I can speak reasonably intelligentlyDoubt.But continue, I mean good info is good info.Only know a little about Nairobi, mainly that there's quite a lot of organisations based there, there's a pretty massive slum (not as big as everyone thought though), and that they've had quite a lot of infrastructure done recently, pretty much all by the chinese
>>58165324Or more classical:>Nokia phone stops the railgun bullet and saves the paratroopers life - "Praise the Omnissiah!"
>>58166667Well I'll start with Zambia seeing as it's my second home. >Muli bwanji bwana The Zambia of today is linked to one resource (mostly). Its copper. Copper comes from the imaginatively named copper belt and through Ndola. Ndola is a mining town with a huge amount of wealth. The copper all goes to china now and Chinese investment is as you'd expect of the strip mining sort. The capital is Lusaka. It feels a bit like any other colonial city in that you have European infrastructure and buildings that are fading but still standing. Lusaka is full of NGOs and wealthy Americans and Chinese. I always found it interesting that (as a Scot) Zambians go nuts if you speak Nyanja or even talk to them if you're off the beaten track a bit. Last but not least you have the incredible natural beauty of livingstone and victoria falls which is all honeymoon five star resorts and backpackers, in the middle of beautiful countryside, in what was the old capital of the country, and yet five minutes walk from the Avani I can show you a shanty town.Power is usually about eight hours a day by the way.
>>58166729Me again.>doubtWell fuck you too. Can I recommend China's second continent by Howard W French? The topic of Chinese land grabs and colonisation is an interest of mine. Referring back to Zambia the Chinese have a reputation. If the chinese build a road to get to a refinery they have a five year lease on that is also meant to go to a local town, the road will last at best five years and a day. Zambia is in a weird position as the older generations in particular would quite like to have the bongs back.
What do the people of Kenya or Zambia think about genetic engineering, cybernetics or other transhuman technology? If a rich man son gets a genetic upgrade, how would society ract ot that? Or how would they react to AI and stuff like that?
>>58166984Hmm. African countries generally have problems with infrastructure. If something doesn't need infrastructure or much of it it will sell.Now what you find in Africa is there is no middle class really. There's either dirt poor people who earn pennies a day and all that jazz, there might be some skill tradespeople (the back alley welding shops I went to although short on health and safety were ingenious in their way). At the top however you have a phenomenally wealthy western educated elite. They can afford BMWs, land rovers and huge houses. Remember importing manufactured goods can be very expensive in Africa (personally I think when SA goes tits up that'll get a lot worse).So to answer your question the elite who can afford this shit will treat it like anyone else. The people on the street will understand. It and that they can't afford it. However expect imitations to appear fast as young men try to peacock.The people out in the bush probably wont ever see it so who knows.
>>58167109>However expect imitations to appear fast as young men try to peacock.I wonder if a future version of La Sape (those Congolese guys who wear really fancy suits) would have chinese or cybernetics influences - depends how "elite" the chinese are seen I guess, obviously they've got the money, but whether they'd influence culture is another thing
>>58167276Because of the space lift in Nairobi, I think future Sape will go for a space look as space is probably be the one place in which human augemntation is pushed to its ultiamte limit.
>>58167276There's probably the start of a good story in those Chinese or who knows where limbs or organs malfunctioning. The Chinese from my experience keep themselves to themselves and aren't too fond of africans. As far as culture goes. Probably not. We can't have a good Africa thread without corruption which I saw plenty of. Have a nose or google search at the following terms >Ibori >Delta state >resource curse
>>58167347Ooh missed a good one:Teodorin>notionally earns about $80K as minister for agriculture >owns 101 room house in Paris Paul Kagame is another good one. Interestingly last year I think it was Rwanda asked to join the commonwealth.
>>58166835I see. How many languages are you dealing with at any given time. Are very industrial areas still given to tribes and people tend to stick to those tribral relations or is that not a thing?
>>58167276Why does that image make me violently angry. Is this what being Jovian feels like?
>>58167570>JovianGet a load of this faggot.
>>58167570Because you could almost see someone walking around with a body like that but it would be more akward because they would be wearing pleb clothing instead of top of the line designer shit and inevitably they can't pay for the upkeep so it grows more and more disgusting looking over time.
>>58167538Ok so. Zambia has 64 tribes and the biggest speak Nyanja, Bemba, Tonga or Losi (by the way sleep with a Losi woman if you get the chance). Then there's little variations and patois. People pick up bits of things and it all kind of works out. Language isn't something that goes in a dictionary in the same way as here. Its not like say in French or Russian where you just assume there's a word and concept that means "up." Because the west has a defined cultural heritage that diverges from Africa we can be pretty sure that the word might be different but the concept is there. Then you have a language which evolved to only deal with simple things like sleeping fucking and eating. So everyone mostly speaks English and pretty well. Its used for business, trade, and to be honest most everything else amongst city dwellers. In the countryside less so.They also generally assume whites can't speak anything apart from English so I was a bit of a surprise.
>>58167453It was actually 2009, and their application was granted - they're one of only 2 countries with no connection to the UK to join up.Kagame is an interesting one, he seems like he's a decent guy (a few reprisal killings aside) - and precisely because Rwanda isn't resource-rich, they could well be on their way to wealth in a more sustainable way that's not dependant on shit pulled out the ground. And their corruption is reasonably low too.>>58167570Combination of smugness and very obvious wealth douchebaggery - like those things of the "rich kids of instagram"
>>58167649Fuck me. Was 2009 that long ago? Cheers by the way. Rwanda has a cunning plan. This I think is why they joined actually. The want to be the central hub or trading post of Africa. They want to capitalize on their location and french roots + now being in the Anglo club. By the way I am stuck on a train for what is now the 5th of seven hours so do AMA because I am fucking bored.
>>58167687>5th of seven hoursAye, sunday service sucks. Kind of intrigued about a white scot having Zambia as a second home or at least massively familiar, and speaks a few african languages, what's the story there?Also anything you could give us on either Congo?
>>58167801I've had a very weird life. >what are you doing on /tg/ then?I still like rolling many sided dice and telling stories. Let me see. Congo. Well I never went there aside from briefly crossing the border a couple times with goods. There's a lot of Congolese refugees in the big cities. Amusingly (or not) the Zambians have a similar opinion of them as /pol/ does of migrants and think they bring crime and violence. What they do bring however is raw materials and diamonds. Fucking lots of diamonds. Raw materials go from Congo to Zambia or other places and then to the rest of the world.Selling diamonds is a pain in the arse. The things need a birth certificate and the trade in them is impossible to break into without a good contact. Then there's DeBeers and that side of things. Generally people can't sell diamonds without that birth certificate or a lot of do-gooders will land on you like a ton of bricks. So diamonds tend to make their way out of congo and then go on little trips. There's also a flow of goods (luxury items, it's always expnseive luxury goods) and refined items (trucks are a fav) as are decent construction vehicles. >theres the bones of a campaign above btw. On a random aside. Its not hard to get specialist equipment like say an entire sawmill. It just comes to Dar Es Salaam and off the boat. Magic. The problem is keeping the stuff running and maintained.
>>58167926Oh also there is an illicit timber trade too.Certain hardwoods get a very good price and because the trade was banned, the industry didnt shrink it just went dark.
>>58167687It's kinda strange how Ghana is in one of the best positions now that Nigeria got fucked over with Boo Haram in the north but it's Kenya and Rwanda that are trying to create shit like the Silicon Savannah
>>58167950Its crazy isn't it? Things never change in Africa in a way. One country will be rising with a bubble of international aid spunked up its arse as two others go mental with Islam or a civil war. Still at least Kenya has calmed down a bit.I reckon Nigeria might split in the next twenty years.
>>58168036Jesus. Lets not even consider the international aid thing. Almost every penny on graft, waste, pet projects or fluff. Africa doesn't need to be taught how to milk goats while making sure they aren't misgendered. It needs water, It needs roads, it does benefit enormously from wifi too.I did once watch an aid worker explain why he was gay and how wonderful that was. It ended badly.
>>58168100Sorry for the /pol/ posting but I am trying to ramble stuff which might help an anon. I apologise if it sounds bad but unfortunately the world is as it is.
Anyway. Hungry fucking lion. This place is a McDonald's that does fried chicken too. Its the nectar of the gods.It costs about say (depending on inflation) 25 ZMK for a drink and a burger. That's about saying £1.25.>the boss burger is literally making my mouth water at the thought. Ok anyway that's great. I might earn enough to buy one of those in around twenty seconds. An office worker earns an equivalent wage to a Euro (adjusted for inflation etc) so he might afford one for every five minutes work. A gardener or labourer makes around 350-500ZMK a month. So it takes him maybe 2 days.
>>58168229All of these people will rub cheek by jowl all day at any time. The wealth and income disparity is insane. Then there's other things. Like I had a guy working for me. He asked me for a smoke. So I gave him one.He starts coughing like crazy and just about dies. I ask do you smoke?No but I wanted to smoke a white man's smoke to try. Good lad Winston. Got hit by a truck one night while walking home drunk.
>>58168264Pretty much mate. I am a decent bloke but Africe didnt make me dislike Africans. It made me passionately fucking loathe lefties however.
>>58168229>I might earn enough to buy one of those in around twenty seconds.£280 per hour? Hell of a job ya got there m8I can never tell if this guy is a black cyborg or an android
>>58168100>I did once watch an aid worker explain why he was gay and how wonderful that was. It ended badly....He explained this TO the AFRICANS? IN their country?
>>58168100My grandpa used to do a lot of work in Africa (running a mobile dental clinic in Kenya and Tanzania). He talked about the aid situation there, how when you build, say, a hospital all anyone cares about is which group of Westerners is paying for it. The hospital itself became practically an afterthought. More than water or roads, Africa needs an economy, a sustainable one that isn't build on resource extraction or agriculture that can allow the continent to lift itself out of poverty
>>58168299I am adjusting for a very favourable exchange rate and some other bits but yes thereabouts. I work for a company that sells large expensive things and buys huge quantities of less expensive things and turns them into expensive things.>>58168357Mzungu can mean the same as the chinese word baizou. A lot of people I meet already have an idea of what Africa is before going.I got called Lushomo (which is fucking hilarious if you're from Scotland - say it slowly). Means he tells the truth (not always a good thing. >>58168365Sadly yes. Your grandad sounds like a good guy. If people actually wanted to improve Africa then each of the G8 countries would have a few sub saharan nations of their own again to build up ethically. Instead its a complete shambles as different agencies, countries and agendas waste their time on infighting and smugness while china hoovers up everything.
>>58168365And to pick up on the rest of your post this sadly is the colonial legacy in a way. Because Africa sent raw materials to bongland and got refined ones back there is no real economy beyond that. Zambia and copper is a good example and when china coughs Zambia shits a lung.
>>58149957It's because the Melanine, the darker you are the yellower the eyes, you should look at some people in South Sudan.>>58151180Fula are a bit more widespread than West Africa, they are all around the Sahel.You have to admit than they are the handsomest people there, I allow the Hausa second place tough.
>>58168442I mean though, who in the hell goes to Africa and then tells the locals that they're gay? Why would you do that? How dumb are you?
>>58168499Aid workers are not smart creatures. The assumption that people live in harmony in happy little villages singing kum bayah is great ans maybe they do but they all have their own prejudices. On a happier note. Zambian beer - mosi is fucking amazing. Named for the Victoria falls or mosi al tunya - the smoke that thunders.
>>58168556I've heard Tusker from Kenya ain't bad either
>>58166680Those were in Destiny 1 (Trials of Osiris had different armour set rewards as time went on, so its entirely possible you missed them), which generally had good to decent armour design, however apparently Destiny 2 outsourced that department and it took a clear hit.
>>58168499Kids than think everyone has been raised with the same values. Also people seems to think Africans are like kids or something when they have never met one before, they see the starving children and peopel diying and think "poor things, I have to help them".
>>58168556They can also create entirely new sets of issues, like some areas having not as much work for local men since all of it is going to 20 something forefingers who'll leave in a few weeks.
>>58168617Thank you boss. That is putting it better than me. They're people and so often that gets forgotten. Generally they're good people too but they just work a little differently because of where they're from. Its impossible to generalise too far though as with any other group of folks.>>58168647Which is fucking infuriating. Aid doesn't help unless it's huge boxes of condoms.
>>58168442Lush-homo?>>58168556I had some Nigerian Guinness a while back, was pretty nice - sweeter than usual, even for Foreign Extra (fully said "brewed in Nigeria", which was kind of amusing seeing as I was in Manchester at the time. Though you can get Foreign Extra from Ireland as well)Had Tusker once, thanks to an african flatmate (by way of the netherlands) who ended up being an asshole and a nutter, can't really recall it though.
>>58168667Yes.>>58168667Tusker is really good stuff too. Actually all African lager is. Though if anyone offers Cachaso, don't.
>>58168664>unless it's huge boxes of condoms.Do they even use those I thought they were against them
>>58168791As always aid and do gooder projects are ruined by politics. I think it's the Vatican that has it in for that idea. If you want to have a look at how your grandkids will find life. Look at a chart for African population through the next 100 years.
>>58168863I recall Pope Francis is trying to nudge the church away from that stance in Birth Control due to how its preventing measures against shit like AIDS in Africa.On that note, the catholic church is actually fairly prominent in some areas of the continent, largely due to how its one of the few stable and secure institutions out there.
>>58168896As weirdly is the church of scotland. Especially Malawi.
>>58168922Historically Scotland had a huge boner for missionaries, and sent fuckloads out to places like Africa and the Pacific. The Enlightenment in the country was far less anti-clerical than on the continent, so the Church of Scotland was far more involved self improvement idea the time period had, leading to more missions out to improve those parts of the world.
Challenge: Give me a Shadowrun or equivalent team of pan-African background.
>>58169079>Nigerian Decker with delusions of royalty>Botswanan Death Metal Cowboy Street Sam>Tanzanian witch-doctor and Sangoma, Magician Shaman>Congolese sapeur face-adept>One very lost former aid worker from England who got kidnapped by a local militant group and then accidentally rescued and adopted by the group, a complete fish out of water and team mascot who never the less turns out to be a cunning planner and decent shot
>>58166633The /pol/fags are there, you just don't see them because the mods delete their shit
>>58169079Here's mine. Shadowrun but I gave them real names because their aliases would necessarily have more personal flair than cultural.Prudence Okoye- Well-educated Nigerian woman with a corporate background. Decker, face and team leader.Mugabo Ngabo- Former meme-quality Rwandan paratrooper. The muscle.Ruan Steenkamp- White South African. Rigger, tech expert, getaway driver and overall product of Cape Town car culture.Yonas Roba- Ethiopian Giraffe-totem shaman from Addis Ababa. Gets texts from otherworldly spirits on his magic Nokia 3310.Fawzia Ahmad- Egyptian Muslim girl and mage who left her home country, where magic isn't allowed. Dabbling in the Ancient Egyptian religion on top of her native one, combines the hijab and "Cleopatra" aesthetics.Thomas Mwangi- Kenyan physical adept. Embodies the lanky "East African Olympic runner" archetype and can outrun a horse at full tilt.
>>58169419Good shit. Yonas should also be a major coffee addict, because Ethiopia
>>58169419Also they have a souped-up minibus to tote them all around. Quick-attach paint kits with the liveries of various taxis across the continent allow them to blend in when necessary.>>58169394Irony.
>>58170432Ah. Didn't get banned just got my post deleted. Africa anon still around and still stuck on a train.
If Africa bro is still around I hope he can answer what the local food is like. I imagine that's going to very VASTLY but I'm curios (and hungry so I'm going to get food myself)
>>58170753A post ITT?
>>58170820Well. Depends where you are and who youre with. There's a lot of Arab food and Indian food. Some very decent steakhouses (actually beef is amazing). At the lower end its pretty normal to have the traditional meat (usually a chicken that got killed not long ago in the garden, or fish or T-bone if youre lucky. Butchers are rare) nshima which is a kinda maizey mash which tastes of not much, gravy and veg. This meal is eaten in some form or permutation for dinner and leftovers for breakfast and lunch. Otherwise you get a lot of western food. In Zambia as an ex bing colony there's a lot of bong inspired food around.>>58170866Yes.
>>58164527greetings from /his/
>>58170820Not him but you're right in that it varies hugely. It's an entire continent, after all. Maybe track down an Anthony Bourdain or something on a relevant city to watch while you eat to get immersed.Also if you live in the States and near a big-ish city there's probably an Ethiopian restaurant close enough to visit. Great for group meals, take a few of your friends and your significant other if you've got one.
>>58170927>In Zambia as an ex bing colony there's a lot of bong inspired food around.My condolences.
>>58170995It ain't all bad. Sorry for my typing by the way I am tired, travelling and using a phone. >>58170992This anon is correct.
>>58170820As with any underdeveloped countries with high-density cities you're gonna find a ton of street food.
>>58168229>burgerThat's a goddamned chicken sandwich.
>mfw this thread has actual good discussion and minimal /pol/ garbageI'm proud of you, /tg/. We should do this more often.
>>58171882And it is incredible.
>>58172612Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think the board is getting better. Some of the damage is going to be permanent, but slowly we seem to be recovering
>>58173632I've been away from /tg/ for a while. What happened? I used to be here a lot (and post stories). Being in Africa kind of distracted.
>>58173737How long? Over the past 6 years the board has been purged of anything lewd and a lot of babies were thrown out with that bathwater. Then in 2016 the site became flooded with alt-right shitheads trying to turn the board into a /pol/ echochamber, and a lot of subjects (like literally anything to do with non-white cultures) suddenly became impossible to discuss. But now that they've memed /theirguy/ into the White House and he's turned out to be a standard GOP plutocrat, they seem to be running out of steam.A lot of people will claim banning quests was the point /tg/ went to shit, but they're wrong. The creative people were already gone and what came out of quests was sad excuse for OC
>>58173968I think I was last around properly maybe three years ago? Thereabouts? Basically they blew up Warhammer Fantasy and I fucked off for a while.
>>58173737Spaces based on common hobbies rather than common opinions, like /tg/, have always had people with disparate beliefs, which is fine. If somebody can't handle reading opinions contrary to theirs then 4chan is not the place for them to begin with.But the increase in identity politics on both sides of the political spectrum, especially in American culture, has completely killed that balance. It's hard to discuss a huge number of topics, and good luck if a thread is about women or people that aren't white because those are "political" topics now.The only reason I made this thread is because there was another on the same subject immediately preceding it that got bogged down with /pol/ shit almost immediately and got deleted, and I wanted some actual discussion on the subject.
>>58174435>But the increase in identity politics on both sides of the political spectrum, especially in American culture, has completely killed that balance.Can we stop pretending this is a "both sides" issue? SJWs rarely leave their safe spaces. T_D, meanwhile, act like they own the entire internet. I never see social justicey opinions on /tg/ unless it's a response to some /pol/ bullshit.
>>58174668>Can we stop pretending this is a "both sides" issue?I was referring more to culture as a whole. On /tg/ the effect comes mostly from /pol/ and the "alt-right", obviously.Honestly I think the era of the "SJW" is pretty much out of fashion anyway. There was a time a few years ago when calling someone a "sexist" or a "racist" over anything would send them scrambling for appeasement but that's not quite as true as culture has adjusted to it. There's still people who take liberalism and progressivism to their ultimate unpractical extremes and push those beliefs, but they're increasingly culturally irrelevant.Unfortunately the presence of shrieking "feminazi" harpies with 120 genders on one side and increasingly emboldened literal white supremacist fascists on the other has made such effective strawmen for whatever viewpoint you want to push that we've lost a lot of our middle ground.
>>58174996But none of that pertains especially to the thread.
So let's put our soft serving of sci-fi ice cream in the freezer a bit to harden up.How massive of a base would be needed for a space elevator in general assuming you had the materials to make it?Following that what sort of geopolitical non-sense would have to take place to even do it (i.e. you're displacing whatever tribes/people in that area to make a massive tower/city)In my mind I see it as being the first places where materials from mining asteroids will come in and then be distributed across the world. Possibly a UN sanctioned Corporate state perhaps?
>>58176053>Following that what sort of geopolitical non-sense would have to take place to even do it (i.e. you're displacing whatever tribes/people in that area to make a massive tower/city)It's less about displacing people and more a problem of having a country in the proper spot with the resources to do it or the ability the convince somebody else to fund it. The issue for an economically powerful country funding and leasing a huge and important construction on land they don't own is that they're one shift in relations or change in government away from the host country saying "fuck you this is ours now." See: The Suez Crisis.I did like >>58147774's suggestion of building it on Lake Victoria, as there are good reasons to build your base on water anyway and this would put it directly between three major local powers.
>>58176053>>58176305It goes without saying that these factors make a Suez Crisis-type scenario involving the elevator, or foreign covert action to keep the agreeable elevator host government in power, or even politically motivated sabotage all perfectly interesting plot directions.Or, what happens to a host country that's gotten rich off of the space elevator if something suddenly happens to it? Imagine if all the oil in Saudi Arabia could be destroyed by a single meteorite.
>>58177332Makes me think that perhaps it would be built on the corner of several countries, so that all of those countries receive 'equal' benefits. Of course, inevitably, shit goes down. The clusterfuck will be a good backdrop to the shadowrunnings about to happen.
>>58178616Would that thing have diagonal elevators, or just do that thing where each elevator goes to a certain range of floors plus the lobby?
>>58180324No amount of imagination-stretching will make me an engineer, but:- two or four vertical elevators, either at the corners or at the midpoint of the walls where the building is narrowest.- external elevators for the lower portion and a single, central elevator for the upper portion.
>>58180085Which is why pic related is perfect. Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania are all growing economies.>>58180324The post immediately after is what is presumably its interior. I'm choosing to interpret it as the elevators being able to move horizontally as well, like the turbolifts on Star Trek.
>>58173968>A lot of people will claim banning quests was the point /tg/ went to shit, but they're wrong. The creative people were already gone and what came out of quests was sad excuse for OCFuck you predator quest was god tier. I still hold out a flame for it.
>>58180499There were quests I liked, too, but the vast majority of them were utter trash and anyone who claims that's what drove all the creative people out is either a newfag or a liar
>>58168590they outsourced everything desu, the game is garbage compared to the original and even the devs acknowledge that they will probably never rekindle the magic.
>>58181084>the game is garbage compared to the originalAnd that's saying a lot, because the original wasn't that good to begin with.
>>58181304I was alright for some stints. but overall it suffered from really fucking dumb gameplay design decisions because the sandbox head was someone who's only previous work was on pay2win mobile games
>>58181322And it was just so slow. Nobody wants to play a Call of Duty campaign for a hundred hours. At least give me some of that Titanfall movement.Warframe for best Sol system PvE sci-fi game.Egypt theme for thread relevance.
>>58181467titanfall was fantasticsecond one wasn't as good at launch and suffers from serious population loss, but it's gotten better since.
>>58181592The second one gets a lot of points for having a great campaign that made nice use of the setting.
>>58181692yes, the campaign is fantastic. But the swiss cheese map design of the first game wasn't transferred very well, the post-release maps are miles better than the normal launch maps with few exceptionsI'm way off topic, I'll stop. Nice thread tho
>>58147774Holy shit that's sweet, it looks like an Anno 2070 Eco city with a twist.
>>58180429So those three countries are growing economies. What are there current political issues? Do they like each other or any tensions between them? Are there other countries who are acting as patrons for them (i.e. one aligned with the west while another has china's backing, etc)
>Do they like each other or any tensions between them?They quite like each other, actually. Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania along with Burundi, Rwanda and South Sudan form the East African Community, a common market. There has been talk for a long time of forming an "East African Federation", a single state, out of these countries.Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda pretty much have their shit together as far as African countries, with Kenya in particular being the Germany to their EU. Though Uganda's president decided to scrap their constitutional term limits when his term was up and won their last election with a lot of alleged voter fraud, which is looking a little too dictator-y to the other two.Burundi is a shithole, to be blunt, and Rwanda is a recovering shithole (what with that whole "genocide" business a couple decades ago, though they're doing alright now), but they have very high population densities and those people are cheap labor, plus they both have good militaries for their size (see the capped paratrooper threads above) and provide a buffer against the huge and unstable DRC.South Sudan is number 1 on the Fragile States Index, so make of that what you will, and also the United States' African pet project. It's big and it has oil.Somalia has also expressed interest in getting in on this action, they are... well, they're Somalia. You've seen Black Hawk Down, I'm sure. But they're in an advantageous position geographically.
>>58188009So setting up a space elevator in the middle of these countries could probably help push the formation of an East Africa Federation that benefits economically from the built up of it?
>>58188957Probably, but you've got to consider that it is highly, highly unlikely that they'd get one up purely on their own. With the best will in the world, that's just not going to happen, even if you see them all moving well into being developed countries - even assuming the breakthrough actually happens at the University of Nairobi or something, there's just a fuckload more capital outside.You'd probably see huge corporate investment, whatever happened, and there'd probably be quite a few other powers putting in as well - "historical" space and african powers would be queuing up to put their cash and expertise in for a slice of the pie.It might be that some of these inputting powers directly or indirectly want the region not to merge and work for that, and historically independence is pretty big, but anything with this much potential would at the very least create trade alliances and an "elevator economic zone", or something to that effect
>>58188957The East African Federation is something that will probably happen in the future on its own. All the parties involved seem on board with it, they just keep saying "we'll make it happen by [a couple years from now]" and then pushing the deadline back.If you want to get more speculative and add neighboring Ethiopia and Djibouti to the mix, both of whom have fairly friendly relations and would likely be interested in joining if the EAF actually worked smoothly, then you'd have a decent economic power without any "for Africa" qualifiers even at their current level of development, and all of those countries are currently developing well.Add in the fact that they're in the absolute best spot in the world for a space elevator (which has to be somewhere on the Equator no matter where you put it.) In addition to the aforementioned Lake Victoria, Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania is a popular location choice and also falls within the potential Federation.Of course they'd have to actually build the thing, and nobody knows how much that would actually cost. Estimates vary widely, it could be anywhere from as low as any large development (like a dam) to as high as, well, Apollo Program money. But it wouldn't be too ridiculous to say, if better materials that could support it were already invented, that a more developed East African Federation could build the thing with corporate investors without getting funding from an outside government.
>>58189329>>58189648All of these points are to help build a potential setting for a game with this in mind so being anywhere from "The groundwork is laid and building is in progress" to "The elevator is completed and goods are being moved to and from" that part greatly affects how the rest of the setting goes as well.
>>58190394It's important to note that a real-life space elevator would be less "humanity collaborating and reaching for the stars" and more "the people involved thought that this would be a good economic investment." It would be very much like building your own Panama Canal- making new economic opportunities viable to others and taking a cut of it.A setting might even have multiple competing elevators in operation. Maybe there's one in Tanzania, one in Brazil, one in the Pacific, et cetera.And to repeat >>58177332, this is potentially a fairly fragile structure even if everything does go right, which makes it a risky basket to put all your eggs in.
>>58147220Hrmm, maybe? Remember, there are stones 'modern' tech can't lift.
>>58168229If you're still here, mind telling us more about Zambia's fast food scene?
>>58194009I actually am still checking in on the thread from time to time. What would you like to know?
>>58195674Not the anon you responded to but what local chains exist and how widespread/popular are they?
>>58195916There's a couple of pizza huts. Debonairs is another franchise. There's a surprising number of Italian restaurants and ice cream shops in the bigger cities (i.e. Lusaka, Livingstone and Ndola) I believe these to be the result of Italian POWs after WWII but base this on my own assumptions.Ethiopian food is semi common as is Indian. Chinese food is also common but only really at the top end. There's a lot of restaurants and eateries rather than franchises. I think I saw sushi once at Manda Hill (a big mall). Being land locked though seafood is a but difficult generally. Cavaliers in lusaka does a great steak. Obviously a lot of this stuff is too expensive for many folks. For. Shadowrun campaign or whatever the Lusaka Showgrounds would be ideal. It's where the colonial expats and brother Rhodesians would play. It's a beautiful and enormous park in the middle of the capital. It's all faded grandeur and sporting facilities. The restaurants (especially the horseshpe) are pretty good the polo club (a night club) is a good place to meet women. On that topic though the rule is you don't let women out un-escorted after dark if they aren't african.
>>58197260*colonial expats and northern rhodesians I recently updated my phone keyboard to Grammerly and it's fucking useless.
>>58197260If you want to get a sense of what I am talking about generally watch the first ten minutes of The Gods Must Be Crazy. Botswana is really interesting country.
Last post before I go back to sleep. That's a Rigby rifle. It is the most beautiful thing on earth. Sticking with Zambia. They've never actually had a war (they're quite proud of that though there's a joke that if you ask a Zambian why they'd say "we are just too lazy"). There is a small army though with an arsenal made up of old colonial small arms and you'll see the ZDF sleeping in places with AKs, Enfields, sterling SMGs and an otherwise eclectic armoury. There are a squadron of T55s which I have never heard of actually moving but they are there.
>>58197479>you'll see the ZDF sleeping in places with AKs, Enfields, sterling SMGsDon't forget the children's backpacks.
archiving this threadhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/58147220/
>>58199333Good thing I saved this one until after, then.
>>58199676I was sitting on that art because I liked it but I thought it would derail the thread if I posted it earlier.
>>58199704I hate that this is a legitimate consideration on /tg/ these days.
>>58199739Yeah, but that's the world we live in.
>>58170992meat? or is it mostly vegetarian? i'm assuming it's heavily spiced, like literally every other culture near the equator.
>>58173632i feel like /pol/ invading /tg/ would go as successfully as if they were to invade /d/.because it would end up /d/ invading /pol/...
>>58200943>meat? or is it mostly vegetarian?Both. They do use plenty of meats but the style of food is also very conducive to vegetarian meals.Most Ethiopian dishes are diced or in small chunks or are some kind of paste, or are otherwise fork-unfriendly. Almost all meals are served with injera, which is a kind of thin, spongy pancake-like bread. This is both part of the meal and your utensil, you use it to scoop up the food and eat it.And yes, very heavily spiced.
>>58154759It makes a lot of sense in a cyberpunk (or just punk) setting. Contrasts well with globalized megacorps and giant cities.Otherwise... I guess it depends on how you play it. There are a lot of different tropes that can be applied to tribals.
Bump for more Africa stories.
These are members of the Herero people from Namibia. They fought a war against colonial Germany in 1904.As the story goes, any Herero warrior who killed a German soldier would steal his uniform and wear it himself. The cultural effect of this continued among those Herero who were left after those wacky pre-Nazis ended up stretching their genocide muscles a little earlier than is usually acknowledged. So, it's fashionable for their men to wear late 19th-early 20th century style European military uniforms.
>>58207054The women, meanwhile, dress like they're from Victorian England but with an African flair.
>>58150018I recall MTG having an egypt-themed set a while back.
I don't care about cultural diversity or representation or any of that jazz, sci-fi and fantasy just needs more poofy black girl hair.
>>58201212i know of an ethiopian restaurant nearby, but i believe it's mostly vegetarian. it's on my long list of restaurants to visit, along with a senegalese chicken joint in the next city over.
>>58210113Best to take a date or some friends or family, if you do. It depends on the restaurant, of course, but it's really more suited to a group setting.
>>58192768More like "modern tech can't be bothered with it, as it would be too expensive for no gain"
What types of new technology would be uniquely popular or necessary in future Africa?
>>58214335Anything that resolves a need for infrastructure as above. If you can beam Wi-Fi and power and the continent then it'll take off fast. 3d printing has been touted (with much smoke and little thunder) as amazing for Africa say a surgery that prints parts as you need them If we are talking real future Africa is (although huge) about to get a lot more crowded. If there's a place the flying car for the wealthy will take off, it's there. Then expect a billion imitations of substandard quality. Drones are another thing. A traffic jam in Lagos is serious business. People have been trying to find a way of making Amazon or an Amazon like work in Africa as well. Land trains seem pretty likely possibly armed if resources get scarce. Water is going to get messy soon especially in S.A.. we are seeing a lot of infrastructure built pre independence/ apartheid/the Soviets starting to reach its sell by date.
>>58214597>If there's a place the flying car for the wealthy will take off, it's therePun unintentional?You raise a good point. It doesn't matter how nice your car is if you can't get anywhere in it when you want to. "Flying cars" or affordable helicopters/VTOL transport for the wealthy and product delivery drones for businesses make a ton of sense in dense African cities.
>>58214597Another fun thing I heard being kicked around which I was interested in was the idea of self contained sanitation units. So waste in one end, firebricks out the other. There are a number of problems with this as a concept though. Some of the more hair brained schemes I heard during my time might make good campaigns though. Like flooding the sahara and turning it into farmland. That's an old idea though. Not a fan of what Mugabe did to Zim but the prick sure is quotable. I'll do some rambling about Zimbabwae next time I visit if no one minds.
>>58214713The number one rule for Africa was never sell anything they can make themselves. My favourite thing I heard was a Swedish NGO spent a year inventing a simple easy ground nut shelling machine. It only needed some power and a bit of time. No one checked but ground nuts sell shelled at the same price they do unshelled in the local commodities markets.Anyway. The thing I see being best for the flying car in Africa is theres very little regulation like the Civil Aviation Authority.
>>58207054>>58207085fascinating, thanks anon!
>>58214948You mean the Overton winded has shifted. I think however the issue is people have trouble articulating the reason for keep /pol/ in /pol/ which I do bad enough with as my posts through this thread when not talking about food evidence, is that there's a place for it and rather than twelve the same arguments and discussions that we would there, /tg/ exists to talk about other things. That this means that some people assume it's carte blanche to be a lefty is not true. Still though, let's talk about many sided dice please?
>>58214786We're almost at the bump limit anyway. And thankfully with minimal bullshit.Good thread, y'all.>>58214897No problem.>>58214948>it's almost as if /pol/ sentiments are just closer to mainstream now than they were a few years agoWouldn't that be a horrible world to live in? I shudder to think.
>>58150018>he hasn’t read The Ear, the Eye and the ArmShits cyberpunk as fuck
>>58214597>>58214713Shit, that's pretty good.America? Fuck no, everywhere's already designed with a car in mindEurope? Fuck no, no-fly zones out the ass, narrow streets with regulations and old shit everywhereChina? Fuck no, citizen management means party officials and other high-rollers have no problems, no-one else has the dosh needed.Africa? Fuck yes - shitty roads, no regs, free-for-all socially, horrendous traffic (even compared to LA or china), recognition of serious prestige.
>>58215059And given how there's already African cultures and sub-cultures which highlight copying western styles like >>58169208>>58207054 and the perspective of the west as wealthy it doesnt seem like it would be that out there for flying cars styled after various classic cars to be a prominent status symbol.
>>58215059Don't forget actually that for a while at least most countries will at best have helicopters which may or may not work + the odd RPG or stinger, they've had little interest in investing in anything like that either. So the idea of a serious no fly zone is ludicrous. There's a lot that can be done with that - If you can afford it. Tie this to drone use as well and things get pretty interesting.
>>58215117Actually in a way thats already a thing. I noticed if a car got used in a movie or something was what people wanted. It was never "I want this (make and model)" but "I want the car from (film)" Have a look at the word Makmende and how that developed for some fun with this idea.
>>58215059And also you have to take into account the fact that the kind of automated all-self-driving car networks that would so greatly increase efficiency and reduce traffic would take way longer to develop in Africa.You can make every new car and truck self-driving but there's no way to automate a guy toting people and things around on a shitty 80's Honda bike.
Ok I am going to bed so last one from me. Two words.> pod> racing
>>58215229The most recent episode of The Grand Tour gave a lot of info on current popular vehicles in Africa. For instance one of the most popular motorbikes is shipped over from India and only costs around $700
>>58215121I recall, ah, some program or something, about a dude with a drone in the UK. Basically he was flying it wherever, which, as it turns out, is already illegal, and drone registration is a ballache. Never let it be said the UK is behind the times. There's also been issues at major sporting events with people flying cameras over, much to the annoyance of Sky and so on. Pic related, is a British anti-drone thing. You'd almost feel sorry for the guy, if he didn't come off as a kind of entitled wanker, and wasn't flying his stupid drone in-fucking-doors in the goddamn natural history museum and then acting really offended when told to cut that shit out.Anyways, as it turns out, there's a LOT of "public liability" this, and "this entire street is old as balls and insured to the eyeballs" that. Flying cars, one assumes, would get all this twice as bad, at least.But in Africa, yeah, no - almost none of this. >>58215229Automated vehicles need really nice conditions (road and otherwise), yeah, those would be loooong time coming to africa, even without the cost
>>58215229>And also you have to take into account the fact that the kind of automated all-self-driving car networks that would so greatly increase efficiency and reduce traffic would take way longer to develop in Africa. Yes and no. The lesser infrastructure can be a boon because it means you can design stuff from the ground up to feature it. Kind of like how Korea used to be the dirt poor backwards cousin of China and Japan until America started investing tons of money in it. They installed all the latest and greatest shit and because Korea didn't have to waste time/money pulling up old infrastructure or anything they did shit like went from almost no telephone lines to the highest distribution of high speed cable internet everywhere almost overnight. That's why many countries in Africa are among the fastest growing economies. You already see it in regards to cell phones. They're all over the place in Africa. Tuaregs riding camels to trade salt in the deserts stop and set up camp for the night- then pull out a cell phone and call their friends.
>>58147220Nairobi, Johannesburg, and Cairo standout in my mind.
>>58215321>Automated vehicles need really nice conditionsWell, yes, but that's less of a concern in the kinds of cities nice enough to have people driving new cars around anyway, especially given some time to develop. And one could assume self-driving technology would improve enough to better handle road conditions by then. (They'd better, or else what am I solving all these street sign and sidewalk Captchas for anyway?)So you could certainly expect to see people in African countries using self-driving cars at about the same time as they became popular in Europe and the States, but for automation to actually have an effect on traffic efficiency the majority of cars need to be self-driving. You could achieve that in 20-30 years in the US or Western Europe, but it would be much slower in Africa. Especially considering the importance of motorcycles in many countries, which for obvious reasons are hard to automate.
>>58215542>So you could certainly expect to see people in African countries using self-driving cars at about the same time as they became popular in Europe and the States, but for automation to actually have an effect on traffic efficiency the majority of cars need to be self-driving. Well they get most of their cars from China/America/Europe so as those countries move to self driving cars, that's what everyone else is going to be more or less forced to buy. Motorcycles are purchased largely because they're cheaper and more fuel effecient than than full sized vehicles. You can easily have a situation where you have all the cars in Africa being self driving models purchased from the US and Europe by the same people who purchase regular cars today and the people who would have purchased bikes back then continue to purchase whatever bikes the US and Europe are producing.
Here's a challenge.How would you make a White Rhodesian/White South African/Afrikaner in this weird cyberpunk Africa?
>>58215728>Well they get most of their cars from China/America/Europe so as those countries move to self driving cars, that's what everyone else is going to be more or less forced to buy.It's not just a matter of the new cars being automated, because most people who purchase them are then going to sell their old manually driven cars to someone down the line. Even if every new car sold was automated, it'd take a long time to make a difference in traffic efficiency when you're talking about a place where Peugeot 504s are still going strong.
>>58215959>How would you make a White Rhodesian/White South African/Afrikaner in this weird cyberpunk Africa?By casting Sharlto Copley, how else?I had one in my fake Shadowrun team (>>58169419). To me the narrative appeal of diversity works both ways, and I'd be generally inclined to have a white (or Asian) person in an otherwise all-black group just to mix things up.But beyond tying them to some specific subculture, a white South African in South Africa is just "a white guy", while a white South African in Nigeria or Ethiopia would still be a foreigner despite being African, so I don't think they'd really be all that different contextually than, say, a white British person.
>>58215987 Yeah there are some 30 year old cars still operating in Africa, but the not every car driving around in a city is 20+ years old. They aren't even the majority.
>>58216333Nigeria, the largest economy in Africa, stopped producing the 1968 Peugeot 504 in 2006. That's a car being not just driven but actively manufactured for nearly 40 years. Non-automated vehicles don't have to be the majority, just prevalent enough to keep full traffic automation from functioning efficiently, and that would remain the case for a long time. And that's assuming there's no resistance to self-driving cars from the populace.And really, even if every single car was automated overnight the prevalence of motorcycles would keep it from making a difference anyway.
>>58153993If Louis Theroux taught me anything, it's that even the crazy black nationalists don't want Cleopatra.Shakespeare was black, Mozart was black, hell, even Tom Jones is black ("he look like a white man, but he dances like a black man"), but Ol'Cleo may look black, but she's definitely white
>>58216487>Nigeria, the largest economy in Africa, stopped producing the 1968 Peugeot 504 in 2006. That's a car being not just driven but actively manufactured for nearly 40 years. And yet the best selling vehicle in the country are vehicles like the Ford Ranger and Toyota Carolla, Rav4, etc. Yeah, there is a market for older cars in Nigeria, but it's not the biggest market and is not indicative of the AVERAGE car that people there drive.
>>58216487>And that's assuming there's no resistance to self-driving cars from the populace. What like fear of ghosts or some shit?
>>58216901But the average doesn't matter as long as there are a significant enough number of manually driven vehicles to prevent full traffic automation. In that environment driverless cars would be more convenient to the individual passengers, but wouldn't have too much effect on the traffic environment because they're just reacting to the road instead of operating on a connected network.I do wonder if, with increased manufacturing capability, you might start to see old-style cars made in Africa with modern materials and techniques like 3D printing but to lower vehicle standards than what are imposed on Western manufacturers. Costs could be much lower and they could fill an otherwise unmet market to fill an economic gap between imported cars and motorcycles.
>>58147220I thought it was obvious.sub-sahara africa is "black" and northern africa is "not" in the same way that "english" aren't "french"northern africans are historically lighter skin. before the rise of islam. sub-saharan was historically dark, before european colonialism. there are lots of stratas in history where this has changed, and if you're doing a cyberpunk setting, you're predicting the future. so it's up to whatever you want.anyone trying to make it a race thing, whether they're trying to protect their own race or not (black or white) doesn't matter for your story setting. it's LITERALLY whatever you want. it's fantasy.
>>58217054Nah, I wasn't thinking in a "them robot cars are gonna steal my soul" kind of way, just a practical one. I mean, it's not going to be easy to get the majority of people in the United States to give up their driver-operated cars.And I would definitely understand being less trusting of a driverless car in an environment like pic related compared to the Autobahn.
>>58217118BUT if you want an opinion, I would give you this (because it's interesting).consider germany forming a 4th reight with globalist european union, forming a "european union army" and then east europe secedes (poland, czech, and etc)turkey falls into the same state as syria. just constant shenanigans by external powers, and it's a state of nature.this provides several possibilities for africa. first off, some former colonial nations might regret their decision, and some don't. china has definitely taken an interest (and this is so today). some african nations take to their colonial powers, be it china or western, and then after that, there may be some nationalist african nations that are stealing technology and developing on their own. this entire scenario is incredibly interesting, and could be a great mercenary setting.which party / nation / people / rights will your players eventually settle for? it's entirely unknown. it's almost like you can take cyberpunk and almost translate it to an alien planet, except, it's just a completely underdeveloped continent.
>>58217168I don't agree. I think you're underestimating our lardiness, and more importantly, that a driverless car isn't necessarily undriveable.
>>58217279You aren't wrong, but even if it's 20% of people avoiding it then you still can't fully automate traffic, nor is that number small enough to say "driving your own car on roads is illegal now."A functional driverless car on modern roads is really nice for its owner, because hey, you can take a nap instead of driving, but the car itself is still just acting like a human-driven car from everyone else's perspective. But a driverless road environment, where all cars are automated and nobody drives, that's the end goal, because it vastly increases efficiency. If every car drives themselves and is connected to all the others, then you can potentially do away with silly things like "speed limits" and "stop lights.">>58217118...What are you even talking about?
>>58153175That would be highly unprofitable desu. The resistance from the meter taxi associations here in South Africa is almost enough to make Uber unprofitable. I've heard that elsewhere in Africa Uber doesn't even take cash payments because of the frequency of taxi drivers setting up fake accounts and then calling for an uber pickup and ambushing the uber driver, beating/killing them and burning/stealing their car. The minibus taxis here have actual gang wars over territory as well and "peaceful protests" over new bus routes cutting into profits involve molotovs and AKs.Long story short, I'm pretty sure no company would be able to an enforce a monopoly without massive capital investment and a hell of a lot of violence amounting to a small scale war. All of which costs more money than they could make in the first few decades of operation.
>>58219786>I'm pretty sure no company would be able to an enforce a monopoly without massive capital investment and a hell of a lot of violence amounting to a small scale war.You're not wrong, but you know, cyberpunk. It would fit the theme. Plus having high-tech taxi wars as part of the setting is a potential bonus.Honestly I think automating the share taxis and replacing the taxi operators would be a lot more difficult than monopolizing the service (which you could do just through buyouts if there was incentive.) They employ a lot of people who would fight hard (and likely literally) to keep those jobs.
>>58217054>>58217168Reminds me of this for some reason - the DRC has solar-powered traffic-control "robots", which is pretty rad.I mean, they're not much more than automated signals (with a command-centre override) and a few CCTV cameras, but a) "hand" signals are more easily seen than a single small light, and b) a policeman-shaped sign is quite good at deterring criminals - if you've ever seen a cardboard cutout of a cop in a shop, same principle. Also they're giant robots wearing sunglasses, how is that not awesome?
>>58219865They won't be high tech wars or high tech taxis. >>58220763Its common throughout Sub Saharan Africa to call traffic lights robots. I wonder if there's a link.
>>58219786>>58219865>>58221187Taxi wars, some high-tech, some little more than gangs with uniformly-painted rides. And Uber-esque ride hire places doing their very capitalistic best (Uber is the largest taxi firm in the world by revenue, and owns exactly 0 taxis. And cheats a lot of tax. And has nearly been banned from a couple of cities already). Combine with dangerous roads, a la South Africa (and probably a lot of other places), that's quite a mix. >>58221187If nothing else, it was probably the inspiration - you call a traffic light a "robot" because it does the job of traffic cop - why not split the difference and also get better traffic control via cameras?
>>58169419What a great thread.
>>58147220Garama.Water is sanctioned and controlled by the elites. Foreign powers everywhere want to control you for trade and resources. Inherent stratification. Death outside.
>>58221187>They won't be high tech wars or high tech taxis.How do you figure? I mean, I know you posted a picture of a dirt road and a field but for a lot of the thread we've been talking about Lagos as our cyberpunk city of choice, which is a city with a population twice that of New York in a country with the GDP of Australia even today, let alone the future. There's both a huge cultural incentive to move people around more efficiently and a lot of money to be made in doing so.>>58221322I love the insect drones.
>>58225286Side note, this is Makoko, a waterborne slum in Lagos. Residents travel between their homes and businesses using canoes. If you're looking for a place to play up as a pseudo-Kowloon Walled City type "hive of scum and villainy" in your 'Neo Lagos' this would be the way to go.
>>58225503On the flip side, there've been proposals to use "less shit" versions of the same concept as a way to help expand the city, which can be pretty cool too.
>>58185621that whole book is amazing
>>58151180This. Especially Americans autistically throw all Blacks together and label them with one word.
>>58215259This one's good.
I need these threads to desintoxicate myself from all the /pol/ bullshit I read in the other boards, it's nice to remember that Africa is not filled with mudhuts as some people would like you to believe. Thanks anons.
Good fuckin' thread, y'all.
>>58225566That's a pretty fucking rad concept and kind of comfy looking to.
>>58147220>Ancient Egypt>nu/tg/ starts posting Black peoplePottery.
>>58228766He used the Tropic of the Capricorn as cutoff, that's basically 95% of Africa. Presumably to discourage the Afrikaner autist.
>>58228159>wake up in the morning in your island house>grab a water taxi into the city>get dropped off at a street, pull your folding electric motorcycle out of your backpack for the last leg of your commute>do your morning work>get a quick lunch from a city street vendor>finish your work>bike back to the main waterway and go back home>hop in your personal canoe as the sun goes down>eat dinner with your friends at a floating cafeteria>have a quiet boat ride home at night under the lights of all the houses>fall asleep to gentle ocean sounds and do it all again tomorrowWho knows if it could work in practice, but it has the potential to be pretty damn comfy.
>>58227396/tg/ is a good place to inform oneself about foreign parts of the world as fa/tg/uys are interested in wonder, adventure and stories than political leanings. Thanks to /tg/ I murderhoboed my way through Bronze Age Sumeria. >You don't need other boards.
>>58228834I kind of have this idea in my head of a more urban sort of island housing like converting some dock area into house except instead of building up the houses are partially underwater
>>58225503Going with the flying car idea earlier in the thread, it creates a nice contrast with the poor living and moving around in the waters and the rich doing so in the sky.
>>58229409Contrast that with the idea of a space elevator on Lake Victoria and you have a complete picture!
>>58229873Though keep in mind while comfy floating canoe cities might be a good idea in coastal Nigeria, they might not be as much so on Lake Victoria, because... well, you know.
>>58229978Okay, fair point, We can still have our hipster canoe village. How else do you think the foreigners working for the corps will live if not in a fancy high rise apartment?
>>58147220I have been trying to create a Black Empire based on local folklore.To that end I've been safari'ing for quite a while.Africans themselves say it's unnatural for Blacks to build pyramids, or "fitting stones together" in general.
>>58232938It's too late for that, my friend.
>>58233123Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.