I think it's fair to say that the appeal of tabletop games is escapism.My question is what would your perfect escapist universe be like? I'd like to be an unironic knight in shining armor in a heroic fantasy setting who wanders around fighting demons and tyrants and stuff.
Outerspace pirate. Raiding unlucky space miners/colonists ships for all they're worth, shoving all the men out the airlock on said ships and using the women as my 24/7 cum dump.
A harsh world of tough cold people who don't care about your suffering and magical monsters that exist solely to dole out karmic and harsh punishments to everyone they run across.
>>72276999At least you're honest lol.
>>72276876i would like to be an omnipotent god who can do absolutely anything
>>72277040What would you do with your godlike powers?
>>72277051sit around and jerk off mostly
>>72276876One where I'm happy
>>72277204What makes you happy?
I have two universes I enjoy dreaming about, one is a mix of skyrim with dark souls, remove the dragons and the civil war, and skyrim is a decent place to live, you can try your hand at hunting, woodcraft, farming, smithing. My father died while I was young, so I never got to learn anything from him, that's why I think I would like that, to learn about survival and useful skills from an experienced teacher. But a world like that also needs to have dangerous distant lands where I can have adventures and really challenge myself, I think every guy has that dream of picking up a sword and trading blows with worthy opponents, pushing themselves to the limit. It would be amazing to gather a group of friends and travel to lost kingdoms, battling monsters and recovering legendary weapons or mystical treasures. And when its all done, I can go back home and just drink and relax, sit in a high place near a forest and just enjoy the sounds. My second universe is basically a future where humanity has mastered wormhole travel, our galaxy alone has billions of possible habitable planets, and there are infinite galaxies out there, most of those planets will have fantastical lifeforms, perhaps there are even parts of the universe where you can shape reality with your mind, and yet I will never see those wonders because I was born too early. Besides, the people of the future will definitely have virtual reality, so instead of only talking about it, I could actually build and experience those worlds.
Bard/Scholar in a comfy fantasy world, where danger and adventure exist but are far enough away that I won't really have to deal with them unless I want to. Just me, some sort of cute wife, and some pets in a Scandinavian-Sichuan countryside
>>72276876Somewhere similar to the southeast Texas, with late medieval technology. A nice little farm in a warm and humid climate, some forests and eventually swamps out east, a comfy coastal village to the south, drier plains to the west, and to the north, a dungeon rivalling the size of Castle Greyhawk.I'd be a great warrior, retired after winning many wars to live a peaceful life with a cute peasant wife, occasionally coming out of retirement with some old friends to delve into the old ruins up north. And when I'm not adventuring, I'd be operating a still out behind the house.
>>72276876Same but swap knight for wizard
I think the ultimate escapist fantasy in a fantasy world would be to be like a wandering scribe/scholar who has some form of charisma or diplomatic importance so you aren't killed or deposed at any given opportunity. You wander around exploring the fantasy world, learning its people and cultures while documenting it in your journals.
>>72276876Me and a band of misfit adventurers who gathered together to fight evil and unite the squabbling lords and ladies of the world, each of us sitting around the amber glow of a fire in the evening time as the moon rises over hills in silhouette. We know that there's dangers tomorrow. The expectations on our shoulders weigh on us when we step away from the fire for a moment to stare off at distant mountains. Around the fire, though, we tell stories of our homelands. We enjoy a meal together, laughing and teasing each other like a surrogate family. Tomorrow we'll hit the road again, off to save the world and meet new people.
A superhero in a crazy superhero universe having wacky modern day adventures.
>>72276876Escapism? How about just having a good time with friends. Instead of escaping your shithole life you should face what’s making it shitty and fix it instead of masking it with silly games.
>>72282753>>>/pol/ is that way friend
>>72276876not really relevant to the thread but I'm reminded of a line>avatars are not an escape from our 'self', they are, rather, a longed-for chance of expressing ourselves beyond physical limitations
>>72282763/pol/ is the epitome of escapism. Instead of hiding behind board games they hide behind bell curve charts and niggers
>>72276876Cozy post apocalyptic settings of the weeb variety.
>>72276876I'm not sure of the specifics but I'd want to be able to live forever regardless.
>>72276876I am either an immortal mage if it's Fantasy or an AI if it's sci-fi Either way I'd travel around the world terraforming and building comfy solarpunk landscapes
>>72276876Wanderer in a post-apocalypse world. Not Mad-Max though, with there still being a significant population who murder and loot each other every weekend. I mean the human population is as small as a gnats tit. Giant human structures reclaimed by nature, factories, and cities fallen silent. To be an ant crawling in the corpse of a giant.I just like abandoned aesthetics
>>72283275Things aren't entirely perfect. The scars of ages past still remain in the land. Ancient weapons of destruction long since abandoned, areas of desolation and dust where once beauty lived. Even the creatures retain the mistakes of old, mutated, and transformed. The world can be savage, but more often than not, things seem...still, almost. Calm. Dangers still lurk, as they always will, but it feels as if, slowly, the world is healing.Things will be better. Maybe not in your life, but eventually, everything will be alright. Will society rebuild? Learn from its follies and go even further beyond. Or is this truly humanity's final chapter. A silent fade. If so, then you should enjoy the quiet while it lasts.Honestly, it's the silence I would enjoy the most, and the knowledge that I hold no responsibility to create a better world. Only to enjoy it
>>72283499This guy >>72276999 >>72277034 will be my archnemesis.
I'd be a high ranking agent and worshipper of a demon lord who has plans for the world. Always scheming and fighting goodie twoshoes into submission. I have control of cult members who obey my every command and of course my demon lord supplies me with powers and also succubus pussy
>>72276876Swashbuckling setting, to be a dashing and humorous pirate/swashbuckler, explores uncharted Island full of treasures and canibals, romance harlots and noblegirls alike. unexpected betrayals, a crew that will go to the end the world with you.Also big tittied and historically inacurate pirates gals
>>72284659>I'd be a divine hero and devout servant of of the forces of good who has love for the world. Always forgiving and redeeming misguided servants of darkness into a better life. I have the friendship of allies with similar goals and of course my celestial allies supply me with powers and also angel pussyTo each their own, I guess.
>>72276876I'd like to be a smart wizard in a multiverse where almost anything is possible, and where magic can make almost anything happen. I want to explore uncharted planes, unravel the secrets of magic, have sex with species that could never bear my children, all while having the option to just go to the plane where everything is chill and society has been set up real nice and just hanging out with my wizard pals. I'd like the chance to be important in fantastical ways and yet still be ultimately insignificant if I choose.
>>72287086I would gladly meet you in battle!
>>72282494Hello fren I like your adventure.
>>72276876Perfect as in maximal? Then I would like to be an eldritch being that transcends the limitations of even the mind. I could /be/ a fantasy setting, not just live it. I could contemplate the deepest mathematics without end. Time and mortality would be no object. Also it's a nice aesthetic; gods are boring, outsiders are where it's at.As for Perfect in the confines of the conventional? I'd like to be a female pixie with a human travelling companion that I could fall in lesbians with. I'd be something of a mage while she'd class as a dexterous fighter. We'd adventure through a surreal meta-world where space's metric is linked to the semantic distance as well as the Euclidean. Every place would look like art straight off of gelbooru's scenery tag, with no regard to something as limiting as 'theme' or 'coherence' beyond the incidental iyashi-kei that such art evokes. Imagine exploring, learning from and participating in all the worlds of human imagination. Damn, now I've got the feels.
A post scarcity noblebright setting that has comfy modern amenities achieved via magitech, with easily accessible and learnable magic. There's A Dark Place that exists safely removed from most peoples lives, but explorers go there to find magic artifacts for novel magical effects and research purposes.The Dark Place is a civilization that fell because they used Dark Mana as the basis of their magic which backfired on them terribly. Fortunately modern magic uses Light Mana, so there's no fear that modern society will meet the same fate.The old civilization wasn't evil, and their use of Dark Mana was just through lack of understanding and cultural inertia. Towards the end they discovered how to process it into Light Mana but by then it was too late.
>>72276876Arborea from D&D, preferably after elves have advanced their technology to sci-fi levels and blended it with magic. Arborea elf magic-sci utopia, as an elf of course; a f/m/t/ranger. Beautiful terrain, ancient advanced civilization, people are good-looking/sane/intelligent/good-hearted, all the interest of high magic and high tech. My real fantasy is to be literal god, but if we're applying limits to keep it kinda interesting then the former.
>>72276876I want to be a knight, and in tune with nature, and be immortal or at least have eternal youth for the couple centuries I would hopefully live. Fight some great evils but mostly just help people, nature spirits, protect holy sites, keep the world in balance, die knowing I did good and got to enjoy every second of a good long life.
>>72290238Other fantasy would be being some sort of enchanter, making magic weapons for a noble, that also gets to focus in on being a learned man in his spare time - an antiquarian, philosopher, do some cooking and traveling, essentially have a lot of free time and means when I'm not actively on duty. Maybe get a cute gf. Have a longer lifespan, even just a bit of one.
>>72276876I hear good things about a new isekai called Heroin Overdose. You never have to escape again if you do it correctly, but if you botch the roll you will turn into a trashcan prostitute. I hear it is totally hardcore, bro.
>>72282753How. The majority of my problems are systematic, not my fault and nothing I could possibly do would get rid of them.
I unironically like the idea of being the lord of some tomb world of Necrons and being able to just quietly build a small kingdom of humans under Necron care, perfectly safe from all the shit present in Warhammer while occasionally throwing some warriors at any threat that gets too close to my autism fortress
>>72276876>I'd like to be an unironic knight in shining armor in a heroic fantasy setting>Dark Souls 2 art
>>72293782The Faraam set is cool.
>>72293857Sure, it's just none of what's described by OP's fantasy.
>>72293873it's fairly shiny
>>72293873I don't know man, you can get real shiny with the Ironskin pyromancy
>>72293873I am op, the fact that I used an armor set from Dark Souls is irrelevant.
>>72294087>"it's not shiny!">it's kinda shiny>"lol fucken magpies"
>>72276876A world with problems I can solve. Seriously though, bright / whimsical low fantasy. Romantic knights, wandering wizards, clearly defined evils, and easily attainable riches. Feels good man.
>>72284659Holy shit that’s based
>>72276876Transforming superhero who protects the smiles of others and fights evil wherever it appears.
I'd like to be a necromancer chilling with bro-tier skeletons in a tower. I'd go on quests with the bones boys to find ancient grimoires and miscellaneous magical items.
>>72293750Based necronbro.Maybe if human to AI transference happens, we'll live long enough to achieve a facsimile of that scenario.
>>72276876Being known as a reliable man in a moderately sized town who goes between doing chores and picking up odd quests for a living, having budding relationships with everyone from guild hall regulars to the blacksmith.
>>72296617I don't know how the fuck I got the wrong file.
To be a wandering swordsman obsessed with glory and power who eventually opens his heart to the wonders of friendship and love. Then in my later years I become a family man and establish a legendary school of fencing passing on my unique style.Straight chuuni.
I think I would like to be a god. Not to recreate things in my image, but to observe and to occasionally scare small children.
>>72282990I had half-assedly been looking for the name of this manga for like half a decade. Now I can almost rest in peace.
>>72276876I want to be a professional supervillain in a science fantasy setting. The theatrics and bombast of it all would be what I'd live for, and I wouldn't go out of my way to cause suffering or hurt innocents. Cartoon villains are really living the dream; while they are obligated to lose, they can still show up at Christmas parties and team up with their eternal rivals to save the universe from nastier threats. The only thing I can't decide on is whether I'd like to be a crocodile man, a praying mantis man, or simply a magical human skeleton. I just can't decide which aesthetic would ultimately take me the farthest or suit my personality best.
>>72276876>I think it's fair to say that the appeal of tabletop games is escapism.That's not a healthy way of looking at it, and if you're really using games as a way of escaping the problems of reality, you need to stop playing games and handle your problems first.The appeal of tabletop games can be varied. There's challenge, there's exploration, there are creative elements, there's a lot more than something to distract you.
>>72276876a world where the existence of the soul, and its absolute immortality, are certain and proven to be trueuncertainty is a real crushing thing sometimes
>>72297750The problems we're escaping from aren't the kinds we can simply handle.
>>72276876I'm an AI with godlike technologies and yet it did nothing to heal my psyche to mend those incompatible pieces into a complete wholeSomewhere far away from earth my pieces would wage an endless war between eachother in a vain attempt to become whole and be at peace, somewhere there my madness couldn't hurt anyone
Standard fantasy hero for the first 50ish years, then become a minor god for all my good deeds. Wander around the world lending a hand to heros learning the way.
>>72299827The villain version of this.
A fully automated luxury gay space communist society where I can use neural dive VR to simulate grimdark fantasy worlds
>>72300124Might make a pretty cool story. A hero and a villian whos conflict would shatter the world, so the gods make them find heros and villians to duke it out instead
>>72297750>handle your problems first.My problem is life itself. There's nothing I can really do about that.
>>72297750I really don't like you "NOO STOP ESCAPING" faggots. You know that fiction as a media, and entertainment as a whole is just a means of escapism right? There's absolutely no purpose to these things if it's not used simply as a way to explore the ideas of such a different world and set of circumstances. There's no challenge to a set of world's whose rules are entirely decided on by you. There's no intellectual gain, if you want those things you pick up a book on economics, history, science, or something that actually has purpose in the real world. Not to mention how absolutely ballsy of you it is to assume that everyone's problems are fixable. Even the most well adjusted of people has things that they can't control and simply live with, but find other ways to cope. You just come across as a pretentious faggot acting like it's somehow unhealthy. The entire purpose of fiction is catharsis and wonder. That's been true since the beginning of the very concept.
>>72276876The setting from Fable: The Lost Chapters. That game was so damn comfy, I sometimes still put on 10 hour videos of Lookout Point's music when I sleep.
>>72300696>There's no challenge to a set of world's whose rules are entirely decided on by you.Baseless statement. As long as you're not a weak-willed faggot and change the rules to suit yourself on the fly, you can absolutely build a framework of challenges for yourself to overcome.And even that's assuming that you're not playing TTRPGs in groups, where you don't control all the pieces. There can be joy in watching your friends traverse a puzzle you've created, or in working through a challenge that your mate presents you.
>>72276876I dream of being stuck in a post-Industrial Cyberpunk society as a Fixer, wheeling and dealing in anything and everything off the grid, at a fast pace and die young. Chicks dig scars anyway.
>>72300696>escapism /əˈskāpˌizəm/>the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities, especially by seeking entertainment or engaging in fantasyHere's the definition for you. Entertainment, as a whole, is NOT just a means of escapism.>There's no challenge to a set of world's whose rules are entirely decided on by you.What? Am I literally going to have to educate you from step one? I thought you just didn't actually know the definition of escapism, but apparently you don't even know what it means to challenge yourself.>There's no intellectual gain> if you want those things you pick up a book on economics, history, science, or something that actually has purpose in the real world. How many different ways are you trying to be wrong in a single post here? Do you honestly think you can't learn something from entertainment, or that entertainment can help make education easier?Is that the reason you don't know all these basic things?> Even the most well adjusted of people has things that... they can't live with, No, being well-adjusted means learning how to live with problems. That's literally what it means. It means you're mentally stable and actually able to handle having problems.>You just come across as a pretentious faggot acting like it's somehow unhealthy. Because it is unhealthy. It's seriously unhealthy. Aside from allowing the problems you have to get worse, it can bring about a brand new set of problems. There's literally entire sections of mental hospitals dedicated to the issue.>The entire purpose of fiction is catharsis and wonder. That's been true since the beginning of the very concept.Please, never speak again. I have a hard time trying to figure out how one person can be so wrong in everything, and the only thing that comes to mind is that you've never actually looked at reality and have been living in a fantasy land.
>>72289209Tbh I'd chill here as a wizard, esp if I could bring my wife.
>>72301503I know the definition retard. The point is that it always essentially boils down to escaping from reality in one way or another.>What? Am I literally going to have to educate you? Then go ahead. What challenge is there in a world of make believe? It's all only what you and others decide upon solely for the sake of entertaining and distracting you. That's all entertainment is, a distraction and an escape to help one relax, it serves no other function, and has no other purpose.>No, being well-adjusted means learning how to live with problems.It is, but learning to live with them doesn't mean they don't still exist. Which is why people like to have their minds taken off them. The way they do that is by blowing off steam by focusing on something else. Why do you think so many people have entertainment as a hobby? It's all busy work to keep minds off of reality for a while.>Because it is unhealthy. It's seriously unhealthy.Using escapism doesn't mean allowing your problems to get worse or being like a Sucker Punch character. The entire point is that there are some problems that simply exist and can't change. You're saying otherwise because you want to suck your own dick and claim that everyone else is just wallowing in their own self pity. Are there people who go too far? Yes, but that's exactly the point, they're going too far.>How many different ways are you trying to be wrong in a single post here? Do you honestly think you can't learn something from entertainmentThe point is can be better done elsewhere. If you really wanted to learn you can do it the normal way, entertainment isn't a teacher, that's merely a consequence.>Please, never speak again. Are you actually dumb? It's a fact. The very definition of entertainment is something that amuses. It has no higher purpose. Stop deluding yourself to fel smarter. Just because one likes to take their mind off the real world for some time doesn't mean they're schizophrenic all of a sudden.
>>72301503Also posting the faggot that canonically destroyed a whole world just because he didn't like the fact that people were having fun and wanted to shove his own pretentious beliefs down their throats as an example as to why your argument is correct is a 20IQ move and only proves my point.
>>72304694Also to add to the challenge part, the reason why it will never be challenging is rooted in the fact that for stuff like /tg/, it's entirely intangible. There's no danger, no consequences, no metric, and absolutely nothing that makes it anything more than a distraction. It's only as hard as you want it to be, and you'll never find yourself challenged intellectually because all of the scenarios are constructed on such fantastical terms as to basically be gibberish. Even if someone came up with an interesting challenge, there's no way you couldn't have gotten a better intellectual exercise by doing anything else that involves critical thinking. Once again, any challenge or teaching you could get from entertainment can be done far better by actually finding something dedicated to it. Sure some of them overlap like teaching and entertainment, and challenge and education. But the bottom line is that those are merely a consequence or a tool used with each other rather than the goal.Thank you for listening to my TED talk, now go fuck yourself please.
>>72304750You moron. It wasn't actually a world, but a dream of one. In the sequel, it turns out that you actually go to the real Ivalice, and some of the characters have vague recollections of the dream world, as if they also experienced it in dreams.More importantly, the world was LITERALLY KILLING HIS FRIENDS. The Grimoire was absorbing the souls of his friends and temporarily completely absorbed Mewt towards the end before Marche managed to save him. If he had just let the dream world continue, it would have meant all of them would die.>he didn't like the fact that people were having fun and wanted to shove his own pretentious beliefs down their throatsMarche had enough maturity to realize that some things that seem too good to be true usually are, and was also able to realize the the world was poisoning his friend's personalities. Mewt had become a selfish bully tyrant who depended on his fake mother, and Doned had become a bandit that preyed on people thanks to being able to outrun anyone.Marche was deeply troubled over the fact that returning home meant not only potentially destroying the world but also forcing his own brother back to being wheelchair-bound, but he knew slowly put together the pieces that this world was just an illusion and knew that his friends could not just run away from the real world without consequences.>only proves my point.It proves that you're an idiot.
>>72304694>>72304863Your posts are so dumb, I don't even know where to begin.>That's all entertainment is, a distraction and an escape to help one relax, it serves no other function, and has no other purpose....Really? You're actually going to stand by this?>The point is can be better done elsewhere.That's not a point. That's admitting that entertainment can serve functions outside of distractions, but hoping to disguise it with a pointless neg, and one that's not even accurate because the idea that dull and boring studying is better than entertaining studying is very much a fallacy.You're honestly trying to argue that entertainment doesn't have value outside of being a distraction, and if you really want to stand by that, there's really nothing more that needs to be said aside from that you are an idiot.>The entire point is that there are some problems that simply exist and can't change.And you need to accept that. People have a lot of bad shit in their lives. That's life. Seeking out entertainment as a way of escaping from your problems is a horrible tendency to have, and extremely unhealthy. Some people can't help it, and it's not something to try and villainize as evil, but it's definitely not something anyone should encourage.There are thousands of reasons to value entertainment. Everything from the Illiad to the Alphabet Song to a game of D&D can serve as a form of education, of communication, of preservation, of a hundred other things. But, if you're using them all just as a way to run away from your life, and are even arguing that's the ONLY value they have for not only you, but everyone, then you are sick, and you need help.
>>72294544>A world with problems I can solve.I'll even just accept a world with problems someone can solve, even if someone isn't me, so long as they do get solved.
>>72305320>People have a lot of bad shit in their lives. That's life.
>>72305320>That's not a point. That's admitting that entertainment can serve functions outside of distractions, but hoping to disguise it with a pointless neg, and one that's not even accurate because the idea that dull and boring studying is betterBut it isn't. The fact of the matter is that regardless of boredom, its far more effective to read a text fully dedicated to whatever subject you wish to learn that watching some bastardized rendition. It doesn't serve other functions apart from distractions, distraction is the entire fucking purpose. I'm not saying entertainment has no value outside of distraction, but its MAIN purpose is to distract. Not to mention that only a brainlet would think that because it's boring it's not a more effective way of accomplishing things. What you're describing isn't entertainment, it's just education being disguised to make it more palatable for a retard or a child.>And you need to accept that. Motherfucker you have the reading skills of a third grader it doesn't matter if you accept it when you can't change it. No matter how much you accept you still don't want to be thinking about it. If there's nothing you can do, your thoughts need to be put elsewhere or you'll simply continue to pointlessly wallow. Like I said before, everyone has a hobby for a reason, and that reason is to give them something else to do other than think.>There are thousands of reasons to value entertainment. Everything from the Illiad to the Alphabet Song to a game of D&D can serve as a form of education...And again, all those things are secondary to the main purpose: to distract people from their shitty fucking lives. It doesn't matter what other purposes it serves when its main purpose is what it does best. It only peripherally does those other things, and all of them are better done elsewhere. I don't understand this is such a hard concept to follow. Also good job dropping the challenge part of your argument
>>72276876Perfect escape world? A living / dynamic world with lots of idiosyncratic people. I'd love it if magic were real. If i and a group of friends overcome some great dungeons and puzzles. If there was a more relaxed side of the world, like magic spas / water parks / magic restaurants / magic metropolis. I would still like an element of a civilization collapse mixed with remnants of survivors. I would like to be a student of magic, like a classic wizard. Maybe with an expanded lifespan. I'd love to be important in saving the world and helping people
>>72305320>But, if you're using them all just as a way to run away from your life, and are even arguing that's the ONLY value they have for not only you, but everyone, then you are sick, and you need help.Also thank you again for completely ignoring what I said. Did you miss the part where I said this was exactly the WRONG thing to do, and was taking escapism to an unhealthy length? You seem to mistaken escapism being the main function of entertainment as suddenly replacing your entire reality with it. The fact is that we all indulge in that shit whether you like it or not. The fact that you came into this thread saying that looking at fiction, and /tg/ in general as a form of escapism is not mentally healthy is what makes you sound like a fedora tipping fartsucker, that's the fucking point of the entire genre. The creators know it, and anyone not smoking an eighth of OG Ass knows that.
>>72306091>You seem to mistaken escapism being the main function of entertainment as suddenly replacing your entire reality with it.No. I'm not saying that escapism is going insane and losing all sense of reality.I'm saying that shit like->That's all entertainment is, a distraction and an escape to help one relax, it serves no other function, and has no other purpose.is fundamentally wrong, and that you're an idiot for even suggesting that.>that's the fucking point of the entire genre. The creators know it, and anyone not smoking an eighth of OG Ass knows that.You're really a fucking moron. I like how you tried to dodge all the points I made, just to reiterate how stupid you are by standing by your claim of->it serves no other function, and has no other purpose.Really, it's no wonder you personally can't handle reality, because here, you're an idiot. Please, run into your delusional fantasy world where you're not an idiot and stay there.
>>72306420>No. I'm not saying that escapism is going insane and losing all sense of reality.You sure seem to think so seeing as you equate it with being a "seriously unhealthy" thing when the definition you yourself posted lists it as only seeking distraction. Funny considering how hard you were sucking yourself over definitions.>is fundamentally wrong, and that you're an idiot for even suggesting that.And yet you've systematically failed to say why, even in this post. You just keep repeating that I'm an idiot without addressing the main point.Also I'm the one dodging points? The fuck happened to your whole challenge bullshit and how that suddenly means that escapism wasn't the main focus of /tg/? What about how you claimed that since studying was boring its now suddenly an inferior way to learn? There are about five others you missed too.>>That's all entertainment is, a distraction and an escape to help one relax, it serves no other function, and has no other purpose.Because it is and you have yet to give me another one that isn't bastardizing some other function. Just because it CAN do something else doesn't mean it should. You can use a dildo to play table tennis does it mean that now mean that it's only purpose isn't for sex? Does that mean suddenly a dildo is made for tennis? Entertainment has one PURPOSE and that's to distract. Anything else is extra, and you haven't disputed it without running in circles and saying nothing.>Really, it's no wonder you personally can't handle reality.And where have I said that? You're the one who came into this thread saying that the very idea that the "main appeal" of these games is escapism was unhealthy which I took issue with because it's completely fucking braindead. I can handle reality just fine, but if you think a motherfucker posting on the traditional games board of a Mongolian moose fucking forum has the right to insult people about dealing with reality I truly have no idea what the fuck to say to you.
>>72276876Sengoku Rance and I'm Rance.
>>72276876A magical realm where there are no plagues, wars or other terrible things happening, everyone is modestly wealthy and respectful to each other and there is no corruption nor injustice. I'd work as a traveling cook selling specialties that aren't made anywhere but the area I was born, traveling the road alongside my loved ones who help me as staff.I just want to live comfortably but modestly, meet new people and show them the cuisine of my hometown, with nothing tying me down but the people I love.
>>72307040>Entertainment has one PURPOSE and that's to distract. Anything else is extra.Entertainment is about engagement, not distraction. Engagement can distract, but here's a very, very, very simple way to refute your entire argument.Wouldn't a person with no reason to be distracted still enjoy entertainment? Hell, even people who don't want to be distracted sometimes can't help but get engaged by entertainment. Entertainment is about getting people interested and involved, and that still works even if a person has nothing to be distracted from.Your ideas about escapism paint you as pathetic, needy, and you really are an idiot who doesn't understand the value of entertainment and only believes it to be useful for people who don't want to deal with reality. Your arguments are shallow, and casually ignore the idea that something can have multiple purposes, to the point where your analogy for entertainment is a dildo.Really, I'm amazed. Astounded. I'm downright impressed at how fucking stupid you are, and how you can say dumb shit like->What about how you claimed that since studying was boring its now suddenly an inferior way to learn?>That's all entertainment is, a distraction and an escape to help one relax, it serves no other function, and has no other purpose.>Because it is and you have yet to give me another one that isn't bastardizing some other function.with a straight face.Do you know the story of Notre-Dame de Paris? Victor Hugo wrote it because he fell in love with the Cathedral and wanted to write a novel that did a few things.1. Generate interest in architecture and historical preservation.2. Communicate his love for the building.3. Explain how even though humans may suffer, it is transient compared to enduring architecture.4. Make a shit ton of money.The goal of "distracting people" with a story about people constantly suffering and dying is a bit odd.
>>72307704>Entertainment is about engagement, not distraction. Engagement can distract, but here's a very, very, very simple way to refute your entire argument.You fucking idiot, every goddamn action involves engagement in the sense that you participate or become involved. You can have a meaningful connection with a piece of entertainment, but every time some motherfucker flips through Netflix it's not to form an meaningful relationship with their media like everything else you've mentioned it's a side effect. At the end of the day the reason WHY they picked it up was to distract themselves.>Wouldn't a person with no reason to be distracted still enjoy entertainment?What you are describing isn't a person. Either this theoretical robot is busy until they sleep and thus does not need to be distracted, or they have no problems, and never get bored. No matter how well adjusted you are, that's impossible. The only point of getting involved is to be distracted.>Hell, even people who don't want to be distracted sometimes can't help but get engaged by entertainment.... And that's called A FUCKING DISTRACTION.>Your ideas about escapism paint you as pathetic, needy, and you really are an idiot who only believes it to be useful for people who don't want to deal with realityWhen the fuck have I said that you flaming fag? Because here's what I have said:>>72306091>Did you miss the part where I said this was exactly the WRONG thing to do, and was taking escapism to an unhealthy length? >>72304694>Using escapism doesn't mean allowing your problems to get worse or being like a Sucker Punch character.>>72306002>Like I said before, everyone has a hobby for a reason, and that reason is to give them something else to do other than think.>It is, but learning to live with them doesn't mean they don't still exist. Which is why people like to have their minds taken off them. The way they do that is by blowing off steam by focusing on something else1/2
>>72304750>Also posting the faggot that canonically destroyed a whole worldConsidering that Montblanc mentions Marche in one of his death quotes and it's implied he has some memories of the events of the original in Advance II, everyone else probably went back to the real Ivalice.
Perfectly happy fantasy world as an adventurer delving into dungeons with my party of pals. Then going home to my cute blacksmith waifu.
>>72297640>The only thing I can't decide on is whether I'd like to be a crocodile man, a praying mantis man, or simply a magical human skeletonYou'd get the most mileage out of skeleton. Lich comes with its own thematic and aesthetic associatiions. You can easy imagine what a lich's lair would look like. The drawback is robed skeleton is a bit generic looking. Croc or mantis would be more unique, but offer little else.
>>72308442>>72307704>Entertainment is about getting people interested and involved.To say that's what entertainment is about is like saying the purpose of an apple is to be sold. Getting people interested and involved in fiction is a result of human nature(the need for recognition as well as the greed that now fuels these fictional pieces). It's not the goddamn purpose. It's not WHY people pick up a book, it's not WHY someone flips through the channels at night. You're fundamentally missing the point by looking at the trees instead of the forest.>Really, I'm amazed. Astounded. I'm downright impressed at how fucking stupid you areReally? You think that me calling bullshit on your claim that I've been ignoring your arguments when you've dropped several tangents because they didn't go your way is dumb? You think me asking you to provide one purpose that isn't just being used as a tool to accomplish what other avenues whose focus is on those specific subjects and thus far more efficient is stupid? You think that me saying entertainment is meant for relaxation is somehow wrong? Why it's amazing how you've yet to say anything on any of those fronts and instead weaseled out of them like a little bitch by only highlighting them then insulting me.>Do you know the story of Notre-Dame de Paris? Victor Hugo wrote it because he fell in love with the Cathedral and wanted to write a novel that did a few things.And he could have done all of those things in a different way not solely through entertainment. You notice how the book itself still needed to tell a good story that was timeless? That's because if it didn't fucking amuse, if it didn't distract, it would have been a failure at all these things, whereas a charity, a soliloquy, a Book on human suffering, and a book on architecture could do the same. Like I said above, what you're describing is education disguised as entertainment for the stupid and for children. 2/3
>>72308442>>72307704>>72308966>The goal of "distracting people" with a story about people constantly suffering and dying is a bit odd.Because it's a fantasy world. Different genres have different draws, and it doesn't need to be happy sunshine all the time to serve the purpose of taking ones attention away. Or are you so much of a fucking retard that you think you can only enjoy My Little Pony tier media? Do you think that the depressing is not distracting because it can make your situation seem far better? If that was the case Game of Thrones wouldn't have cockbaited a million fucking normies. Adding that element of realism and grit is what makes stories like those even more immersive because they seem like they could be a real place rather than something purely fantastical in both themes and subject. But hey, it must be hard for a fart sniffing fuckwad to understand something that simple.3/3
>>72308625Yeah, I guess I didn't exactly remember that well. It's been a while since I last played the game.
>>72308442>>72308966> all this typing>for nothing>Like I said above, what you're describing is education disguised as entertainment for the stupid and for children.Are you French? Just curious.But, no, it doesn't stop being entertainment just because it destroys your entire argument. >At the end of the day the reason WHY they picked it up was to distract themselves.Not really. It's often a mix of a lot of things, and often people engage in entertainment even when they don't want to be distracted.What you're really failing to do is understand that something can have multiple purposes, and that those purposes can be synergistic. Really. That's it. All your "ESCAPISM IS GREAT, ENTERTAINMENT IS NOTHING BUT ESCAPISM" is basically just you being an idiot hoping to grossly simplify things whenever they contradict your fallacious argument.
>>72276876Clone trooper sniper, traveling the galaxy upholding the law.another one is detective in silent hill twin peaks esque town.
>>72309409>detective in silent hill twin peaks esque town.That's actually really interesting.
>>72276876As a DM my biggest fantasy (fetish) is the defeat of absolute evil by ordinary people. I've gotten to enact it twice in my CoC games with my players.
>>72300696Holy shit based
>>72309170>>all this typing>>for nothing>Complain about me ignoring your arguments>I decide to address them all>"Lol fag why do you even care?"Neck yourself>Are you French? Just curious.No I'm not a baguettenigger>But, no, it doesn't stop being entertainmentAnd you're missing the point. What I'm saying is that you're describing a second purpose that isn't a purposes because it's just education through entertainment as a medium, and if it didn't entertain first then that thin veneer would drop. As I clearly say here:>>72308966>You notice how the book itself still needed to tell a good story that was timeless? That's because if it didn't amuseI clearly consider it entertainment. And destroy my entire argument? It clearly fucking doesn't since you ignored that entire paragraph as well as that entire post. Looking at the size of your post and what you actually address, I'm not the one with the destroyed arguments.>Not really. It's often a mix of a lot of things, and often people engage in entertainment even when they don't want to be distracted.Like what retard? You haven't given a single reason why someone would pick up a hobby like /tg/ that I haven't dismantled like that stupid exploration and challenge shit. You've completely ignored the point to talk about how because entertainment can also be used to teach kids the alphabet it has multiple purposes, when it only has one purpose, and can instead be used as a tool despite that purpose to accomplish multiple different things. Just like I gave the example of education capable of being a challenge. What the fuck have you said?>What you're really failing to do is understand that something can have multiple purposesI understand that. What I'm trying to communicate to your sped brain is that Entertainment is not one of those things. Case in point, the dildo argument. Not everything has multiple purposes.
>>72309781>>72309170>That's it. All your "ESCAPISM IS GREAT, ENTERTAINMENT IS NOTHING BUT ESCAPISM"Except you haven't disproved it at all. All you've done is try and come up with some pseud bullshit about how some french faggot using his book to jerk off about buildings means that entertainment has any other purpose than to simply amuse. Like I said, if it didn't do that job, it wouldn't accomplish anything else it set out to do because they are a direct consequence of educating people after getting them already distracted and immersed into that world. All your arguments are you desperately trying to cling onto some lie that base entertainment is something more when it, like you claim my arguments to be, is shallow.And as much as I get tired of repeating the phrase: like I said before, someone posting on the traditional games board of a Mongolian moosefucking forum has no right to act high and mighty about escapism. I liken you to the faggot who gets mad that other kids are playing in the sandbox. After all what kind of soulless cunt interrupts a true statement like "the main draw of /tg/ is escapism" to start throwing around accusations of mental illness and acting high and mighty. Do us all a favor and get your high horses dick out of your ass.
>>72309846You're simply tiresome.>an example of a book that not only entertains, but communicates, educates, persuades, preserves, etc. etc.>IT DOESN'T COUNT NO ONE READS IT TO DO ANYTHING BUT TO STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO REALITYYou're really dumb.
>>72309543The overall villain of my 2018-2019 CoC campaign was a ancient evil entity (basically the devil) who took the form of an evil cowboy in 1912 Arizona, whose goal was to end the multiverse or some shit. Without going into too much detail, two of my players made a deal with said devil to beat the baddies of the 1912 game, which also incidentally resulted in the town becoming prosperous. My second game in that campaign was set in 1984 and one of the player characters was the descendant of the one player character who didn't cut a deal with the devil (same player too). The devil, now in the form of a pawnshop owner because I have not one original bone in my body, returned to Arizona to start making claims and taking names, and destroy the multiverse or some shiet, which for some reason involved claiming the soul of the descendant of the one who didn't make a deal with him. After a lot of insanity and murder, the new player characters and their surviving allies confronted the devil at the heart of his extrauniversal realm, armed with the diary of a dead girl, a baseball bat, a sony walkman and a gun, which were sufficient to best him because I basically allowed them to combine their POW due to reading the clues I was giving them correctly and bringing objects that tied them to the real world as weapons against the dark. A bunch of Stephen King-type Power of Love nonsense, basically, along with implying that one of the player characters was technically Jesus.The baseball bat later figured into a followup game I ran for one of the players during his bachelor party, where it was used to defeat an evil carnival master, because when I'm not ripping off Stephen King I'm ripping off Ray Bradbury.
>>72304984This post was never addressed.
>>72310300>No argument except "nuh muh you're just a dumb schizoAmazing how once you start getting all your points whittled down and dismantled I become tiresome. If I was so stupid you'd have ripped me a new one by now, instead you've resorted to the basest of shitty arguments. You'd also think that if I was so dumb you'd have noticed how tiresome I was before and stopped arguing, but it seems as if that only becomes a problem when you know you can't win. I've quoted myself before debunking your lying bullshit on the schizo front so I won't bother again.Though for the Notre Dame stuff, again you know there's no point to lying about what I say when it's the post you just quoted right?:>>72309781>What I'm saying is that you're describing a second "purpose" that isn't a purposes because it's just education through entertainment as a medium, and if it didn't entertain first then that thin veneer would drop. This is where I'm telling you that just because you can use entertainment to educate doesn't mean that's its purpose(for the fifth time because you're retarded)>I clearly consider it entertainment. This is where I directly say I still consider it entertainment. I decided to point it out for you before you "miss" it again.Thank you for the concession however. I know it's hard to admit when you're wrong, and I've worked with retards before so I know how especially hard of a time your kind have coming to terms with your own deficiency.>>72310478Because I didn't see it, however I did see>>72308625 which is where I addressed it.
>>72310643This is what escapism does to people.Notice how you can't handle being wrong? That you legitimately think you can seperate and split components of entertainment into only the parts you care for?Entertainment engages. It can make education more impactful or digestible, it can distract people from their problems, it can even help persuade people, and much more.Claiming it can only do one thing is being wrong and dumb, as demonstrated already by one example out of millions.You're just mad because you can't handle reality. So please, go ahead and escape into your fantasy land where you're not wrong.
>>72310643>which is where I addressed it.By admitting you were wrong and mistaken?Follow that through please. Especially the part where you were convinced that your reasoning proved your point, where it in fact only highlights how wrong your reasoning is.
>>72310888Yes? Kek are you seriously a downie or something? It's pretty obvious I was wrong since I wasn't familiar with the game for a while, and was going off what I half remembered do you expect me to deny reality or something? Are you really that salty that you got your shit stomped in during this argument that you're grasping for wins? I'll freely admit that I was sorely mistaken, but none of it changes my bottom line since you can't actually debate it.>>72310838>Entertainment engages. It can make education more impactful or digestible, it can distract people from their problems, it can even help persuade people, and much more.I'm tired of fucking repeating myself, insult me all you like, but the fact that you're ignoring everything of note that I've said while grasping for the one time where I missed something during this argument is extremely telling, here's the answer to your retarded statement:>>72308442>You fucking idiot, every goddamn action involves engagement in the sense that you participate or become involved. >>72306002>What you're describing isn't entertainment, it's just education being disguised to make it more palatable for a retard or a child.>Claiming it can only do one thing is being wrong and dumb, as demonstrated already by one example out of millions.>>72309781>>What you're really failing to do is understand that something can have multiple purposes>I understand that. What I'm trying to communicate to your sped brain is that Entertainment is not one of those things. Case in point, the dildo argument. Not everything has multiple purposes.>You're just mad because you can't handle reality. So please, go ahead and escape into your fantasy land where you're not wrong.See:>>72308442
>>72311232>>What you're describing isn't entertainment, it's just education being disguised to make it more palatable for a retard or a child.Why do you keep repeating this?
>>72311232>the fact that you're ignoring everything of note But you've said nothing of note.>>You fucking idiot, every goddamn action involves engagement in the sense that you participate or become involved. That's not what it means to be engaged. You can participate in something and only have a low level of involvement. Also, you're arguing with the dictionary.>>What you're describing isn't entertainment, it's just education being disguised to make it more palatable for a retard or a child.No, that's entertainment that also educates. Or education that also entertains. Either way, something with multiple purposes.>>I understand that. What I'm trying to communicate to your sped brain is that Entertainment is not one of those things. Dildos.You can use a dildo for more than one purpose. They're often used to ridicule people, and they're even used in protests. They can even stop a football game in a way no bottle of beer can.And, we're not talking about dildos. We're talking about things like books and movies and games.Give it up. You're so wrong on this your argument isn't even an argument at this point, it's just you flopping around without recognizing simple truths like "a game can do more than just distract someone."
>>72311582>Why do you keep repeating this?Because it bears repeating. It's not being made solely to entertain, it's to distract someone from the fact that they're learning something, so as to motivate them to want to learn it. It's a tactic for retards and children, there's no in-between.>>72311789>But you've said nothing of note.I have, you just ignore it and push on saying stupid shit while lying to my face.>That's not what it means to be engaged.1. occupy, attract, or involve (someone's interest or attention).>>Id keep an eye on this one if I were you2. participate or become involved in.3. busy; occupied4. occupy, attract, or involve (someone's interest or attention).Literally all the definitions of engage/engaged. You were such a smug cunt at first about definitions and here you are literally saying what I'm saying except you're too fucking stupid to fucking admit it.>No, that's entertainment that also educates. Or education that also entertains. Either way, something with multiple purposes.No, like I say above, it's just a thinly veiled attempt to appeal to a different sort of learning, it is not in itself entertainment. And like I said earlier, if you wished to learn you're better off doing that with a book on the subject you're reading. Pretending entertainment is valuable because one can learn from it is retarded when there are clearer and better sources for whatever you'd like to learn. Especially with the age of the internet.>You can use a dildo for more than one purpose. They're often used to ridicule people, and they're even used in protests. They can even stop a football game in a way no bottle of beer can.Are you not reading? The entire point is that yes you can use it for more than one purpose, but that doesn't mean it's fucking purpose wasn't to be shoved into pussies and asses. It's literally made for that, and just because you can use it for protest doesn't mean it's a tool meant for revolution. Jesus fuck you're dumb.
>>723126164. establish a meaningful contact or connection with.* Whoops.And before you say that that's the true definition you really meant all along, this is the example given:"the teams needed to engage with local communities"No, you didn't mean that, you've just been pussyfooting around admitting I was right, including literally taking the words out of my mouth.
Writing and sharing stories with other degenerates is more escapism for me. tabletop gaming is just fucking around and having fun with friends to me.The kind of people that have panic attacks and need support groups when their character dies/might die are so alien and strange to me that I don't even interact with them. I'm not going to spend hours out of the day just so some clown can have a feel-good experience.
>>72312616Are you really still trying?>No, like I say above, it's just a thinly veiled attempt to appeal to a different sort of learning, it is not in itself entertainment.Wrong. Flat out so. A book that entertains and educates is not just education, it is both entertainment and education. How the fuck can you even try to deny this?>if you wished to learn you're better off doing that with a book on the subject you're reading.WHAT IF THE BOOK IS BOTH ENTERTAINING AND EDUCATIONAL. BOOKS AND GAMES CAN BE BOTH.>just because you can use it for protest doesn't mean it's a tool meant for revolution. Some literally are! Made with slogans on the side and everything!You're so fucking dumb, you are literally trying to argue things can only serve a single purpose, with the analogy that you tried to use a dildo for tennis and yep, since that failed, it can't be used for anything except pussies/asses.Fuck man, have you seen this thing?
>>72282494I like this idea too. Add on to discovering lost civilizations or lore. Sprinkle on some scientific discoveries and that'd probably be my perfect world.
>>72312965>Are you really still trying?Are you still pretending you haven't been BTFO'd? If you don't want me to correct you don't reply. Because using a picture of a Swiss army knife, something literally only known because of its many uses is the definition of cope.>Wrong. Flat out so. A book that entertains and educates is not just education, it is both entertainment and education.I can't believe you actually typed this after reading those fucking words and still have the balls to act as if you're intelligent. A book that's telling a story and a narrative will never be a more effective teacher than something dedicated to it. It may have educational knowledge, but it was written solely to entertain. I don't know how after so many words you don't understand this, but oh well.>WHAT IF THE BOOK IS BOTH ENTERTAINING AND EDUCATIONAL.You're mistaking what something does for it's purpose again dumbass. A science textbook is not an educational book just as LOTR wasn't meant to be a tool for education just because it has a lot of information and examples of someone crafting their own language and cartography. I'm telling you that it's purpose and value can't come from that because it can always be done somewhere else, and a game is primarily focused on the fucking gameplay rather than what it preaches.>Some literally are! Made with slogans on the side and everything!So an apple that's being marketed as a war tool is now made for war? It's embarrassing when you purposefully miss the point.>You're so fucking dumb, you are literally trying to argue things can only serve a single purpose, with the analogy that you tried to use a dildo for tennis and yep, since that failed, it can't be used for anything elseNo I'm not, I'm saying that dildos, just like entertainment has a very narrow purpose, and just because you can use them for other things doesn't mean that's what they were made for. Nor does it mean that those things give it value when other things do it better.
>>72312965>You're so fucking dumb, you are literally trying to argue things can only serve a single purpose, with the analogy that you tried to use a dildo for tennis and yep, since that failed, it can't be used for anything except pussies/asses.I also never said this you've already tried to lie about it and I've corrected you:>Are you not reading? The entire point is that yes you can use it for more than one purpose, but that doesn't mean it's fucking purpose wasn't to be shoved into pussies and asses.To add to that the reason it can be used as a tool of representative power is because of that disgusting purpose, waving it around signifies disrespect because of what it's meant for so you're only probing my point.Also>>72313523>A science textbook is not an educational book just as LOTR wasn't meant to be a tool for education just because it has a lot of informationI meant a science textbook is not an entertainment book*
>>72312965Also I won't forget you telling me shit like:>>72301503>What? Am I literally going to have to educate you from step one? When you didn't know the meaning of engage: >>72312616>>That's not what it means to be engaged.>1. occupy, attract, or involve (someone's interest or attention).>>>Id keep an eye on this one if I were you>2. participate or become involved in.>3. busy; occupied>4. occupy, attract, or involve (someone's interest or attention).Go fuck yourself and did on a bridge faggot, I'm tired of giving you (you)'s. I've shit up this thread bad enough exposing your retardation anyway.
The world is much like our own, by all appearances the year is somewhere between 1988 and 2002 but it never seems to matter. I make my living as a cop in LA, most of my cases start and end in a gunfight or a car chase usually both. I'm built like a 6'6" Mr. Olympia. Back during the war I was part of a Black ops unit so secret only five people know it existed, I saw some wierd things in the jungle. After the war ended I stayed in southeast Asia where I learned an ancient martial art from an old Korean man. Occasionally enemies from my past track me down to get even, sometimes my old CO asks for a favor, and every time I go on vacation I end up in the wrong place at the right time. I have a lot of vacation days
>>72314542The world basically functions on action movie logic tech is around what you'd see in James Bond movies with lasers and shit used by spiesThere's a few groups making cyborgs but they're enmpatically not sharingI never seem to run out of bullets, explosions don't hurt if you jump away from them, cars can ramp anything if the guy driving is cool enough, and it's always just a fleshwound unless you're a badguy or the government or CoreOmniGlobotech has a few million dollars laying around
>>72307542comfy, please don't tell me your local cuisine is deep fried mars bars.
>>72313589>I meant a science textbook is not an entertainment book*One of the most popular scientific books on rocket fuel is Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants , by John Drury Clark, a rocket fuel developer. It's straddles the line between a scientific textbook and a historical narrative, but is also filled with jokes, anecdotes, and is generally written in an easily digestible manner, despite also being rather technical and being an impressive scope of the history of rocket fuels. Clark was not only a well-regarded chemist, but worked with and influenced various science fiction writers, including Isaac Aasimov (who even wrote the forward to Ignition) and L. Sprague de Camp, and his ability to educate and entertain is what makes Ignition one of the most sought after books among not only casual rocket enthusiasts, but rocket engineers, as it is one of the most complete catalogs of successful and unsuccessful chemical fuels written by an expert during the most important period of their development. While it is self-described as Informal, it is still one of the most well-respected documents on the subject, being able to convey relatively complex ideas without being dry and tedious.At the end of the day, people who read it will be educated, and they will be entertained, and I doubt most people who pick up the book do so purely for one or the other.>a game is primarily focused on the fucking gameplay rather than what it preachesNot always, not necessarily, and more importantly, not to the extent that the only thing it focuses on is figuring out how to provide distraction from unpleasant realities. You want games to be all about escapism, because you need them to be or you will otherwise feel guilty for using them as such. That's your coping mechanism, and it seems like you have a lot of those, to the point where you don't even know how to argue in any way but pile fallacies on top of each other in deepening frustration.