Are there any other serious scifi settings like Warhammer 40000?I really like the tone and grim outlook of 40k.
>>72871780there's the french version of 40k
>>72871780>serious scifi settings like Warhammer 40000lel
>>72871780>serious scifi>Warhammer 40000?Please explain.
>>72871859>>72871893people actually take 40k seriously now
>>72871859>>72871893Compared to other contemporary sci-fi it is
>>72871893You don't think this is serious https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eoCcpMW8fSs?
>>72871780>serious>Warhammer 40000?Pick one.
>>72871893>>72872032What is this trolling?
>>72871780Take a look at Coriolis.
>>72871780Event HorizonAliensboth movies you would probably enjoy watching
>>72871780DuneAKA the franchise 40k lifted 60% of its shit from
>>72873081Shit got really fucked up in the later books. As in, shit went wild.
Are you sure, sir, that you do not mean “grim” or “bleak”, rather than “serious”?Because wh40k isn’t serious, never has been.
>>72871959It's one of the least serious, most tongue-in-cheek scifi settings there is.
>>72872283Too arab for me. You can always try Abyss series by Marcin Podlewski or if we are seriously proposing Dune then Prince of Nothing by Scott Bakker.If you want to have something actually serious you should go for Ideal imperfection by Jacek Dukaj or Other Songs by same author.
>>72871780I assume you mean dark and grim because 40k is not serious even if it takes itself seriously
>all these posters saying 40k isn't seriousWhats going on here?
>>72873570Apparently there are still anons who are actually familiar with 40K and understand that it's over the top grimdarkness doesn't even try to be serious.
>>72874598Over the top?
>>72873570because it never was and is not.It is grim, it is bleak, it is dark, but all of this is over the top in a way that can not really be considered serious at its core.
>>72874598Oh you're one of those faggots who spam the obi-wan sherlock clouseau picturelet me straighten things out in your brain:40k is generally played straight, with comedic elements."serious" is way too fucking vague of a termif by "serious" you mean that it's supposed to make a statement about things that matter, then noif by "serious" you mean grounded in reality then noif by "serious" you mean played straight without irony then mostly yesif by "serious" you mean with high stakes and drama then yesif by "serious" you mean written with a lot of care for quality then noif by "serious" you mean written by people who actually think it's cool then yes
>>72874632>over the topHow is it not serious?
>>72874632it absolutely can, see the whole blanchitsu initiativealso nice weaselwords there "not really" "be considered" "at its core"
>>72874657It's pretty easy 40ks tone is serious. It's a serious setting with lots of serious themes.Its not light hearted.If you were to compare it to LotR the entire setting is Mordor everyday.
>>72874632>>72874598The Mahabharata is over the topthere it's not serious anymore
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>>72874659You are asking about the setting right? Not singular pieces of media made within the setting like the Astartes short film in the OP (which I would agree is serious). Because imo you do not really have to dig deep to find that tongue in cheek factor, even in nowadays 40k.Just look at the whole characterization of the Orks, if you want a really blatant example.
>>72874697That guy is some anti-40k shill. He has a folder and cheat sheet of shit to spam in 40k threads.
>>72874714https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQYou don't think this is serious?>characterization of the Orks, Orks are only comedic to the reader not to the people they are killing.
>>72874740as I am saying, 40k can be made serious, sure.The setting is not serious though exactly because of stuff like:>Orks are only comedic to the readerI think if we you can not see that, then we might have fundamentally different outlooks on the setting, which is fine, and we should just agree to disagree, because no amount of arguing is going to change that.
>>72874714once againhaving comedic elements does not prevent something from being serious, until those comedic elements overwhelm everything else.Orks are one race. One could argue necrons are another comedic racebut that's still a minority40k isn't invader fucking zim, it's not a vessel for jokes it's a vessel for conflict
>>72874762No, you're doing it ass-backwards40k is serious by default and can be made silly by focusing on the silly aspects of ork kultur for instanceorks are not comedic by default. By default they are space barbarians. Not space clowns.As for the space clowns, they are presented in an entirely humorless fashion
>>72874762>be madeNo mate it fucking is serious. >because ofDo you not understand what the 4th wall is? Orks are monsters in the setting. The comedy of Orks doesn't "exist" within the setting.I think people like you mistake irony in the setting (and there is lots of it here and there) as the actual overall theme of the setting.It isn't HGTTG or Discworld it's played very straight and serious.
>>72874740>You don't think this is serious?I actually don't. It's pretty cheesy to be honest. 40K is too bombastic and incoherent to be serious.
>>72874801>he comedy of Orks doesn't "exist" within the settingDifferent guy here, but this is irrelevant. Orks have a heavy element of dark humour. Whether people in-setting perceive this doesn't matter, it's something we the audience are meant to perceive.
>>72874805Thats like your opinion man. You people that constantly want to imply settings are "camp" "hammy" "over the top" these aren't facts these are opinions.What you are saying is you don't like the setting.
>>72874819No it isn't. People are not privvy to orks silliness. It exists only for the viewer.For fuck sake are you actually unable to imagine the perspective of people in the setting.>lul funnay joke haha red paint splosionJesus.
>>72874805and so is the overwhelming majority of epic poetry and mythology.Once again, bombastic, cheesy and incoherent are not incompatible with serious at all.
>>72874823No that's not what he's sayinghe's full of shit but so are you.It's a fact that certain pieces of fiction are written with a certain tone, such as cheesy or hammyby the way, opinions can match reality.what he's saying isn't that he doesn't like 40k, it's that he is unable to take the over the top tone seriously, and doesn't believe that anybody can. He is wrong as fuck of course
>>72874823I wouldn't consider this camp or hammy. It however is not in any way an attempt to make a believable setting that could be seen as functioning the way it does outside of the plot power of grimdark. Yes, the characters in the setting take it very seriously, and there are serious stakes, but the setting is ultimately held together by pure grimdark. It's not coherent and it doesn't often endeavour to tell stories that broach really serious issues; at its most 'serious' it's about the powerlevels of various cartoonishly huge men in brightly patterned armour.
>a war in 40k kill 100 million>"that number is too big this is silly"I've always got the impression people that say this about 40k on some level find the setting deeply disturbing. It reminds them of reality. So they cope by falling into a cognitive dissonance trap. They rationalise the setting as "satire" (of what they never say)
>>72874836is talking about the setting>>72874819is talking about the writing style
>>72874856that means it's badly written, not that it isn't serious
>>72874850No you are full of shit. Don't pretend there isn't a subset of assholes that like to continually attack 40k.>he doesn't like 40kIf your attitude is 40k is a joke you don't like it,
>>72874856war is a really serious issue>at its most 'serious' it's about the powerlevels of various cartoonishly huge men in brightly patterned armour.have you ever opened a rulebook?
I came to this thread to watch the "serious" 40k fans defend giant blue men yelling at elves and orks and paperwork and I was not disappointed. A setting is not serious through the eyes of the characters in their universe, but through the audience. Flashlight army men who are as likely to die to their own leaders as they are to the enemy is not serious. Believing so hard in Throne Daddy that you sprout wings is not serious. Having a Throne Daddy is the peak of not being serious.
>>72874880I don't consider 40K a joke, but I don't consider it serious either. If 40K was written 'seriously', it'd just be Dune.
>>72874880Don't pretend that it's what I'm doing.I'm sure he's part of that category, but he said none of that.
>>72871780DOOM, Event Horizon (movie),Quake, Dead Space, an upcoming indie game called "Hellpoint", Alien franchise, tabletop games like Nemesis and Deep Madness
>>72874894>war is a really serious issueit is, and 40k is doing a really good job of avoiding talking about it seriously
>>72874898Literally incoherent. You think because a marine yells and fights aliens its not serious?
>>72874898Wrong, actually it depends on the way it's written.toneAnd you will find that in 99% of the content, it's written with a serious tone
>>72874898And here it is the proof that people that keep attacking 40k are homosexuals.Lmao at the insecurity.>mah gawd this isn't gay enough for me.
>>72874918stop saying "seriously" when you mean "realistically"seriousness is a tone. You could easily make the fucking tellytubbies serious.
>>72874907I consider it serious and can appreciate the humour even the Orks. This isn't exactly unusual for a serious setting to have humour in it.
once againserious, with comic relief elements
>>72874935>daaaaadddy dadddyPull the butt plug out.>>72874937No the correct word is serious. Look at the new trailer. Its a serious situation objectively.
>>72874937but I do not mean realistically. There is plenty of unrealistic settings that can talk about war seriously. 40k does not really strive to, though.
>>72874952yes, it is serious, despite being unrealistic, that's what I've been sayingthis fag>>72874918says it's not serious when he means it's unrealistic
>>72874957It did at least when i was familar with it. 40k had discussions about war throughout it even nuclear war.
>>72874957rick priestely took and still takes 40k serious. I'm pretty sure you dont know what the word means anymore.
>>72874957Oh then in that case you're simply misinformedonce again:have you ever opened a rulebook?
>>72874941I don't really consider humour to be the think that makes 40K not particularly serious. It just doesn't handle any of the topics it covers seriously. Yes, everyone in the setting is very serious, but this doesn't really change that it's an ultimately very escapist and wacky depiction of darkness.40K can be scary, it can be fun, it can be strange... but it's rarely serious. Being about war and death doesn't make something serious.
>>72875000"serious" doesn't systematically mean "directly relevant to real-life current-day issues"generally speaking, "serious" simply means "played straight"
>>72875000Trips of truth, but the trannies in this thread will probably still argue with you.
>>72874990>in the grim darkness of the future, there is only warsoooo serious
>>72875000>rarely seriousSo what is serious to you?Because the line in the far future there is only war is quite a serious statement.
>>72875000>Being about war and death doesn't make something serious.no, the tone does. And the tone is serious.
>>72875024This is just memery. You people really have no idea what you are saying.
>>72875038>Because the line in the far future there is only war is quite a serious statement.and to me that is prime tongue in cheek
Just going to say it. Its all the bronies, furries, /co/ck suckers and other fools latching onto 40k in the last decade that perpetuate this bullshit idea 40k is not a serious setting.
>>72875055whether something is Tongue in cheek or not, isn't up for you to decide.It describes the intent of the writers. Your statement is nonsense; it's like saying "I don't care if you think that 1+1=2, according to me, you think that 1+1=3 so shut up"
>>72875055How? do you even know what tongue in cheek means?Grim dark is a meme you know post 40k.
>>72874914only good reply on this thread
>>72875038Dune. Dune is genuinely what you get if you tried to write 40K not like a cartoon, because it's the primary influence for it.>Because the line in the far future there is only war is quite a serious statement.Honestly? I don't think it is. It's grim, and dark, but it's an element of the grand exaggeration and low feasibility inherent to 40K. There can be no peace. Rationality and reason cannot exist. The universe must be subservient to the narrative force of grimdarkness and only war to an often comical degree. This isn't a bad thing, by the way, it's part of what makes 40K enjoyable. 40K exists to tell stories about brightly-coloured supesoldiers punching each other and elves with mohawks. It dos not exist to be serious.
>>72875080and I am saying the writers intended it as tongue in cheek
>>72875076I painted my first Marine in 1997. 40K is not serious, fight me.
>>72875087he describes it pretty well: >>72875104
>>72875110Well I trust the writers' statements more than I trust your gut instinct
I will post Death to explain why we need serious settings like 40khttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnaQXJmpwM4We need our serious settings. Not every setting has to be post modern calart cartoon.We need our LotRs and 40ks. It's ok if you don't like it but quit this continual obsession with trying to diminsh a setting out of fear.
>>72875104>>72875130There's no such thing as an inherently comical degree.Something can only be comical through contrast, proper timing and reversal of expectations. It has to be a constructed joke.And the jokes are only occasional, they are not the norm.>40K exists to tell stories about brightly-coloured supesoldiers punching each other and elves with mohawks. usually, those stories are seriousAre you fags not able to comprehend tone?
>>72875167>Are you fags not able to comprehend tone?I think it is you who ist not able to do that
>>72875104The construction of Dune is every bit as wacky as the construction of 40k.Dune is not "high feasability", it's not rational or reasonable, it's subservient to the narrative force of a cosmic drama where humanity is doomed to oppress itself. The only difference is that 40k has more jokes.
>>72875166Firstly, Death is talking about belief there, more specifically belief in abstract concepts and the myths surrounding them. Do you believe in 40K?Secondly, LotR is very serious. 40K is not.
>>72875201That's because you're the one who's unable to do it.Tone is communicated through the writing style, which you are completely ignoring. Therefore I must conclude that you're in fact unable to recognize tone.
>>72875167>toneThe tone of 40K isn't serious though. This is the primary thing that makes 40K not serious.
>>72875209sure40k is merely mostly serious as opposed to very serious
>>72875230It very much is serious though. You only get little tidbits of comedic writing like euphemisms and hyperboles.
>>72875209You are an absolute fucking idiot.
>>72875222Maybe we have just been reading different 40k. Or you have been reading yours wrong. I actually think that might be the case. I think you are taking all those over the top, intentionally ramped up to 11 stories a little bit too serious. And that's why you fail to see where more objective people are coming from.
>>7287523540k is a fucking comedy if you take more than a first glance at it, but I think the problem of all you "40k is a serious setting, it has death and war and stuff" guys is that you can't see beyond the surface and read between the lines.
>>72875277You're actually incapable of understanding tone
Oh my god, shut up you faggots.The real truth here is that 40k, just like Fantasy before it, is an inherently silly setting, but its charm comes from the fact it applies a grim and dour tone over it all and takes the incredibly ridiculous happenings that comprise its whole as seriously as possible. This is a game where your 8 foot super soldiers larping as knights who kill more civilians than they save use oversized chainsaws to gut orcs with miniguns that are also part mushroom and have the attitudes of soccer hooligans before they're both incinerated by a magic fireball cast from a space elf before it too is incinerated by an Egyptian themed terminator and its green neon jizz. It's a setting where a 100 million innocent people are killed by 10-000 year old half-demon drug addicts with guitars so loud they flay people with a single strum. When I describe it like that it sounds hilariously silly right? But the catch is it takes itself seriously. No eyerolls to the camera, no laughing at the funny cockney orcs. When you take a step back, you can appreciate the sheer absurdity of what's happening and laugh, which is where nearly all of the memes and in-jokes of the franchise come from, but when you read the stories and play the games, you can put that all aside because the stories are confident in what they're telling. 40k isn't serious, but it markets itself as exactly that, which makes it cool because you can simultaneously laugh at the absurdity of the situation unfolding in the wargame you're playing as your band of blueberry mecha communists blast a group of thousand-year-old mutant space marines from halfway across the table in turn 3, whilst also being fully engrossed in the story and characters of a supplementary novel or game you're following. Now shut up and give Games Workshop your money in exchange for little plastic men like the good little whales they know you to be.
>>72875209Death is talking about believing in fantasy as part of belief in abstract concepts and the world.40k is a fantasy. It also aligns witn Deaths statement there is no justice in 40k but the characters beliefs. That is why people like 40k. They like the Space marine is full of moral outrage and there is something to fight for. They like the seriousness and the themes.Frankly you seem autistic.
>>72875277You only think it's the case because you haven't read anything Priestley wrote about the setting, and also because you have an inherent bias against things that aren't directly relevant to the real world. All those things prevent you from being objective, and thus, prevent you from evaluating the tone correctly.So you really come from a place of poor understanding of the source material. I advise not trusting your own judgement on that one.
>>72875295You havent read a single thing about 40k other thand 1d4chan and 40k youtubers have you?
>>72875247I wouldn't contest that you can focus in to write a serious story in the setting. But the central conceits are not serious. The setting bends completely around the narrative impetus to create radical or silly moments, often becoming comical in the process. Massive death tolls and such are treated as random bits of information to throw around without restraint, simply to make points or to tell the reader how epic something was.>>72875252Nice point.
>>72875295You sound like a prententious twat.
>>72875295>read between the linesdude40k isn't a fucking XIX century comedy of manners, the jokes are very blunt and very obvious
>>72875323I think I have read a lot more 40k than you, because if I haven't I fear you lack basic reading comprehension beyond that of a 3rd grader.
>>72875316>Death is talking about believing in fantasy as part of belief in abstract concepts and the world.Sorry dude, but there's a distinct line between the kind of myths Death is talking about there and stuff like 40K. 40K doesn't tell us anything about ourselves or help us. It's very different from believing in an abstract concept like justice. It's not even something people believe in.The Hogfather is an analogue to things humans actually have some belief in. Not to a franchise of sci-fantasy fiction designed to sell toys.
>>72875324No. Occasionally being comical.>Massive death tolls and such are treated as random bits of information to throw around without restraint, simply to make points or to tell the reader how epic something was.and it's fucking nothing compared to what Arjuna pulls in the Mahabharata. It's likeyou went to schooland nobody told you about what "epic" writing is.So nowwhen you see ityou misinterpret it as comedy
>>72875341Most people miss the humour though. They think the Imperium having some redundant aspect is a strike against humanity rather than a general ironic joke against beaurocratic corruption etc.
>>72875366You really are a dull shitposter. 40k is a fantasy people indulge in just like Discworld.Deaths entire point is we need things like 40k to understand stuff.Not everything has to be what you wish it was.
>>72875372>and it's fucking nothing compared to what Arjuna pulls in the Mahabharata.I've actually read the Mahabharata, Arjuna's feats via Brahmastra are quite tame in 40K, if you're going by pure destruction and death as a measuring stick.
>>72875366Wrong, 40k certainly contains a lot of assumptions about humanity and its morality. 40k does make statements about what humanity is capable of, what its values are really worth, and they're extremely pessimistic statements.
>>72875366Humans don't believe in war? death? faith? duty? humans don't believe in the future?
>>72875402And I also have, killing a hundred thousand guys in one go, several times in a row, is definitely big by 40k standards.
>>72875409I find it quite optmistic actually. 40k is probably the worst setting ever written. As in the most unforgiving "spiteful" setting and humanity still manages to endure.
>>72875374it really is both, you know.
>>72875427But entire planets get wiped constantly in 40K.
>>72875429well no, it doesn't manage. It's fucked. Even the Emperor exists solely because humanity is unsustainable in its current state and needs to become a psychic race
>>72875433Mostly when i hear people say that they say look the Imperium is shit. rather than noting a gigantic paper pushing organisation will intrinsically fail due to its size. As will any massive amount of data being organised.
>>72875435not by a single dude, and not so casually
>>72875310This is by far the most correct post in this thread. 40K is silly but takes its silliness seriously.
>>72875447Its survived for 40k years. Still fightingsee >>72874740
>>72874937I have a personal theory that the Teletubbies are immature Muton Soldiers from Xcom.
>>72875449Yes, and going back to Aristotle, when that failure is the result of idiocy, it's comedy, when it's the result of overwhelming circumstances, it's tragedyso by your standards it's tragedy
>the 40k is sillllly fags turn upThis is always funny.
>>72875469Still in the process of being wiped out yeah
>>72875429>40k is probably the worst setting ever written. As in the most unforgiving "spiteful" setting and humanity still manages to endure.Read up on the lore of Total Annihilation.
>>72874779>my only understanding of comedy is children cartoons
>>72874801By that standard, Ass Goblin from Auschwitz is a serious book
>>72875209You seem to think belief just means religous belief. Death isn't talking about religious belief you moron. Santa claus and the tooth fairy isn't a religion. 40k isn't a religion either its a fantasy.
Dont mind me just watching the autism
40k is about as serious as Robocop. I'll let you process that however you like.
>>72875341Which makes it baffling when zoomers can't get it
>>72875608It's more like terminator.
>British made dozens of fictional works that are comedic>they make a serious work>people misunderstand it is as purely comedic.
>>72874861That's so stupid, do you also think that HFY exist because humans are REALLY underdogs in sci-fi and people that disagree hate humans?
>>72875648Yes they are misanthropic neckbeards that dress up as animals and have gay sex.
>>72875648>implying misanthropy is not common among nerdsHFY is a misanthropic meme.
>>72871893>>72871859>>72873173>>72873295>>72874598These are people that litteraly only really know Star Wars and WH40K and maybe Mass Effect, so they have no idea what a serious sci-fi tone is.
>>72875684What is a setting more serious than 40k?
A lot of people in this thread don't understand what seriousness is.40K is silly. Almost every element of the lore is silly. However, it conducts itself in a way that is confident and forthright, rather than continually winking at the metaphorical camera. As such, it is possible believe in all this silliness and accept that while everything that is going on is quite silly, the characters are justified in taking it all with deadly seriousness.
>>72875703I completely disagree. Rather it's a serious setting that continually winks at the reader.Like Landraiders being named after a guy called Land.
>>72875690Most actual hard sci-fi is far more serious.The example that comes to my head is Blindsight or the Imperial Radch novels.
>>72875738We aren't gauging the level of hardness of the scifi but the seriousness if the setting itself.You can have a hard scifi setting that is completely light hearted because it's set in a utopia.
>>72875658Of course HFYfags and "WH40k is serious bussiness"fags are the same...>>72875667How? it's always "humans are super badass for "once" because they are totally underdogs in sci-fi and not almot always the leader race and if you disagree you must hare humanity!"
>>72875737Nyart, but the setting, in setting, is deadly serious and approached as such, but the reader gets the silliness of it (if they aren't as stupid as most posters on /tg/).
>>72875767You can, but the general tendency of hard sci is to ask questions about the nature of humanity and society, and what the future holds.That's sort of what sci-fi as a genre is.Which, by the way, 40k isn't even sci-fi. It's space fantasy.
>>7287178040K is about as serious as Overwatch.
>>72875804No 40k is scifi. It adheres well to scifi. I've seen hard science fans post examples of scifi that was more ludicrous than 40k.
There seems to be a group of people that really seem to be afraid of 40k being viewed seriously.Who ever could they be...
>>72872003the butthurt this caused on the autists
>>72874914> DOOMDOOM 2016, yes, Eternal fucked up the Lore imo.Don't give Doomguy a backstory and if you have to, don't make it fucking boring
>>72875953Doom 3 has the tone 40k had at it's peak.
Warfare and death do not make a serious setting, they way discuss the subject does. A setting that happily informs us that "That life is the Emperor's currency, spend it well" is not going to seriously discuss the impact of conflict on the lives of soldiers or civilians in the majority of its books or background (which it doesn't).
>>72871780A serious question for the fine gentlemen here:would you say that Robocop is more serious than Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy?
>>72876102Why? It's just the philosophy in Starship troopers.
>>72875899Anyone not a zoomer? Grogs certainly are gonna sensible chuckle at the absurdity of it all, while similtaneously autistically describing what campaigns their donut steel chapter's fought in.
>>72876124Do you think wearing a tutu or a suit makes people take you more seriously?
>>72876147I think wearing a suit makes people take you more seriously. Exceptions exist, but they'd be very rare.
>>72876140people that say zoomer without fail are always "zoomers" themselves.
>>72876135Straship Troopers (the book) explains in depth the system of government Earth has, how citizenship is granted by state service which is largely military and entirely voluntary. And that's a very brief and shallow summary. 40k doesn't dwell on the politics of the Imperium in particular, there are no dialogues between characters in most books discussing the merits of their feudal-theocratic-oligarchic-x political system. Conscription not, voluntary service is rife in 40k. The similarities between the two things are superficial at best.Unless you're talking about the film, which is of course similar to 40k in the way it mocks authoritarianism and militarism, though at a much more overt and constant level.
>>72876206One of the central themes of ST is wagering your life.
>>72876206>he thinks 40k is more similar to the film than the book.Oh you can't be this stupid oh dear...
>>72876163Nah, started collecting in 97. Not quite a grog, need to work on the beard and belly, also get into obscure time period HWG.
>>72876223And how many people in 40k get a chance to wager it? What choices do most people in the Imperium have to make in their lives?>>72876234In what ways is it similar to the book?Starship Troopers posits a better society and political system than we have now. 40k does the opposite of that. If all you took from reading it and 40k stuff, is men slaughtering aliens then I don't know anon.
>all those gothic nu-W40k teens saying the setting is seriousBack to r*ddit
Warhammer40k focuses on COOL to the exclusion of literally everything else. If something could be COOL in any context, it's put in there along all the other eclectic COOL things, to make a fun setting that titillates the player/reader/whatever with its COOLness. Even the comic book inspired art style is COOL rather than anything else.It is by no means a bad focus, as evidenced by the widespread acclaim of the setting, but such a setting cannot also be serious.
>>7287584040k was literally described by it's creator as science fantasy.
>>72876298No one has any choice in 40k because the 40k galaxy is an evil setting. The galaxy is a million times worse than ST. People don't have the luxury to not fight. Thats one of the messages of 40k.But the Emperor rewards those who wager their life in defence of the Imperium literally blessing them.So anyone that doesn't turntail is wagering their life.And the shit movie was made in 1997 well after 40k started solidifying its themes. Well after the much mentioned satirical period.So logically 40k entirely draws from the book.
>>72876373Fantasy and scifi can overlap.
I can feel Mark Spark's presence in this thread.
>>72876301>all these contrarian redditors pretending not to be redditors saying 40k isn't seriousHow do you do fellow 40k fans the post.
>>72876418Except we know the Emperor's blessing doesn't extend to the majority of Guardsmen being slaughtered in their millions daily. Are these indoctrinated soldiers who know that retreating without orders is a more certain death than advancing wagering anything? On the other hand there are those who do have the luxury not to fight. Imperial society is hereditary as fuck as well as being nepotistic, it designed by the authors to be hellish corrupt with most of the Imperium running along with minimal meritocracy involved. You wanna be Sky Marshal? Best have served at a high rank in the M.I and Fleet. Wanna be the Generalissimo of most planets PDFs (let alone a High Lord), you'd best hope Uncle Quintus sent that letter of reccomendation off in time. The novel wanks over high tech shit, while the Ad-Mech annoints on buttons. Either you've read neither Starship Troopers or any 40k novels or your comprehension of literature is awful.
>>72876496guy who made the death of hope 30k fan animation, goes on long winded rants about how warhammer isn't grimdark anymore and how the new stuff is all silly and awful. i get the impression he hates TTS and all the community jokes because it gives new players the wrong impression about the setting.
>>72876624I'm baffled by you people that interpret 40ks setting as a strike against the political sytem in the setting rather than the galaxy itself.Your issue seems entirely about attack the Imperium rather than acknowledging the galaxy is a horrible place.Which is the major driver of why the Imperium is harsh,And its not true in 40k there is freedom but what is the point of it if your life is at risk from everything in the setting?Your entire predication is measuring the freedom of the Imperium, Its a wartime setting in total war freedom is meaningless. You really just fail to understand 40k and need to read more.
>>72876624The Imperium fro the guardsman to the battlecruiser is a giant manifestation of the Emperors will and the faith in him.So the guardsmen fighting for him are recieving his blessing they are an extension of him.Thats why theres fucking skulls on everything the skulls are the Emperor!
>>72876704There definately seems to be a drive to cheapen the setting. It had a peak of perfect gothic scifi by 1997.Now I notice in the community page theres an almost cringe worthy obsession with taking the piss out of the Imperium.
Just point out the irony that most fan creations tend to want to portray 40k as dark and grim and serious as possible.Look at Astartes etc. I think the actual fans know the truth...
>>72876760The galaxy is right shit hole to live in sure, but the Imperium acts in an excessive manner, time and time again. The Imperium is genocidally inept regarding the management of it's own people, and this attitude from the high ups in Imperial society is one of the first things Guilliman tries to change. Guilliman's return also shows it. The galaxy is far shitter since the Great Rift has opened, but the tone of the setting is now less Grim Dark because of Guilliman's return and the reforms he's enacting. This clearly shows that a better Imperium is possible, not a democracy or anything retardedly tone deaf like that, but a better system none the less.
>>72877346Even Guilliman has come to understand that Imperium is the way it is because the galaxy is not what it was like before the HH.The humour in the setting is dark gallows humour familiar to people of British culture.When you are on your way to be executed there isn't much else to do have humour.My point is the Imperium has no choice to be the way it is.Imagine a situation you had no choice.As i few it thats always been the theme of 40k you fight because you must fight and fighting for a thing greater than yourself seems wholly alien to people nowadays. People fight in 40k because individuals freedoms and rights do not matter in total war, even the marines freedoms and rights do not matter.Do i think the imperium could be a better place? sure after they deal with all the threats and not before. The Imperium is the way it is because it must be that way for humanity to survive.Thats not even getting into how misguided raising living standards in 40k could be.Imagine making life better in the Imperium inceases population sizes ten fold. That would be a galaxy wide disaster in itself.
>>72877528The Imperium has never really been portrayed as having no choice. Its incredible stagnation and inefficiency is a joke, and the mistakes it has made have contributed heavily to making the galaxy the way it is in the 41st millennium.This is the entire theme of the Imperium. Man hobbling himself through collective stupidity, fear, and dogma.
>>72876760>I'm baffled by you people that interpret 40ks setting as a strike against the political sytemIt's how the people that made the game interpreted it, so it shouldn't be that much of a surprise.
>>72877584Fuck off you funamentally do not get 40k and are headcanoning.Of course the Imperium has no choice.If they put down their arms theres a million thing outside it and within that will wipe it out.No really you just din't get it. The fear is real, the faith is real. The Imperium is like a psychic manifestation of humanity trying to defend itself against absolute horror in every direction.Even if you don't believe that the Emperor literally helps the Imperium navigate with his light. Holding it together.I really can't understand people like you. This is a setting where the threats are real. The consequences are real. Bitching about the freedom index is humourous in itself.
>>72875690Foundation series is a good start, as well as Frank Herbert's Dune Saga.W40K is a ridiculous setting, enjoyable but ludicrous. >Everyone worships a skeleton chieftain>no one knows exactly why he's a skeleton>Those who understandably got it wrong (because no one told them about the web plan) are pissed off, and subsequently called heretics>entire factions regularly split off from imperium because no one told them actual obvious reasons why cannibalis/murder/general thottery were bad, other than NO>alien racism is both entirely memetical and unironic simultaneously>in a universe where prejudice between races could be construed as sensible, all the races choose the stupid reasons>humanity has degraded into a corrupt nobility>weaponry is entirely rule of cool>the concept of chaos in the series matches this rule of cool weaponry like it's the bloodiest WWE match you've ever seen>Orks subsist entirely on a gore based version of spiral power>arks of dead corpses exist waiting to wake up on arbitrary o clock>there's only one sensible faction, and they're entirely ridiculous because of how stupid it is to be sensible and pragmatic in this setting>entire universe started off as an in joke of what circlejerking over Thatcher's regressive policies would eventually lead to>despite this, people unironically believe that factions in this setting are "right", insofar as being the most sensible retard in the ballpit full of vomit and shitIt's a bizarre setting. It's as serious a setting as the Wayfarer series is conservative.
>>72877584>inefficencythe Imperium is literally the most efficient machine ever made at what it does,Fighting war and killing.
>>72877675Nobody has said the Imperium should put down their arms. Yes, the setting has threats, but the Imperium is dealing with them in the least effective way imaginable. It wastes resources and manpower fighting every single dinky little alien civilization, even those that are no threat. It literally cannot into technological progress and fights against being more efficient. It creates the best possible circumstance for Chaos to thrive and in doing so feeds its enemies constantly.And it doesn't even protect humanity. The vast majority of mankind in 40K lives a fruitless, short, existence in slave labour conditions, working to uphold a system that is crumbling apart and cannot be saved.
>>72877691>know ones know whyExcept they do know. The skull motif in the imperium is analogous with the cross.
>>72877697The Imperium sucks at fighting wars efficiency. For one, it constantly fights wars it doesn't even need to bother with, and when it does get to fighting important conflicts, it wins only through a gratuitous spending of resources that it cannot actually keep up forever. The Imperium is bleeding itself dry. Every edition has made a point of how it is in the final stages of civilizational collapse and is coming apart at the seams.
>>72871994Astartes is literally cartoony garbage designed to make low IQ people clap.
>>72877764The entire Horus Heresy happened because Horus thought the Emperor was pulling a fast one, and naturally went ballistic, so obviously not everyone knows what he's doing.
>>72877735No, thats wrong and this is typical of people do not get 40k and just want to constantly bash the imperium.The inefficiencies you percieve are learned failsafe mechanisms that the Imperium has adapted over thousands of years.>literally cannot into technological progressHello primaris? of course it can. The IoM chooses not to pursuse rampant technological progression for the same reasin the real workd has a non proloferation pact.>the best possible circumstance Ahh another Chaos takes root in the lower class socialist tard.Chaos takes root in the nobility typically. Then they corrupt from top down.And what do you think would happen if the Imperium unlocked all it technological innovation?What hallened during the Horus Heresy when half the imperium turned traitor? they used tjose weapons agaisnt the loyalists.Maybe you can understand why these deliberate "inefficiencies" exist
>>72875038>the line in the far future there is only war is quite a serious statement.That's grim, but it's not serious. Try reading it to one of your parents.
>>72877788The entire HH happened because Horus got corrupted by chaos.and i dont want to hear what ever bullshit the BL authors wrote about the Emperor being the bad guy.Chaos corrupts and the traitors were corrupted.
>>72877528He definitely has had to compromise, certainly with his dislike of the Imperial Creed. Still Guilliman's reforms resulted in a conspiracy (the Hexarchy) which would have caused a civil war if not for the Grand Master of Assassins being a double agent. The problem is that a large proportion of the people who have the freedoms to choose to serve things greater than themselves simply do not. High Lords, Governors, Cardinals and nobles are mainly self serving and corrupt, and rarely appointed because of their skills. Those whose lives are on the line are typically indoctrinated conscripts and gene modified giants who do feel as humans do. The conscripts have been force fed lies from birth about the Imperium and cannot typically imagine an alternative better existence. Space Marines are children taken from primitive societies and brainwashed into autistic levels of compliance. You cannot truly fight for a thing greater than yourselves if you can't make that choice freely. This is why modern militaries have abandoned conscripts in active warfare and is a big partof the philosophical message in ST.And yeah, 40k is definitely all about dark tongue in cheek humour, which is why I feel it compares poorly with ST, which is by and large a serious endeavour and reaction to the pacifism of the time it was written.Also back to Guilliman: the 500 worlds are considered enlightened, meritocratic and utopian by the standards of 40k. They are in fact amusingly the the perfect comparison to the future that Heinlein was promoting all along in ST (which is in contrast to the rest of the Imperium).>>72876837wut?
>>72875000Check those trips, this is absolutely the truth
>>72877879Ok, tranny. Try dilating.
>>72877850>just want to constantly bash the imperiumThe Imperium *should* be bashed, you faggot. This is why rightard /pol/fags are cancer.
>>72877897You fail because like a lot of people in this thread you inject your politics into the setting.40k isn't about politics.>This is why modern militaries have Well no shit theres no situation since ww2 where conscription was needed but one day maybe a group of people will need it.Thats the situation the IoM is in a choice bewteen death and surviving.>you cannot fight if you aren't freeThen you die. Thats what happens in 40k you get enslaved by demons and murdered or eaten.
>>72871780Try Alastair Reynolds 'Revelation Space'. It's basically a hard(ish) sci-fi version of W40K, but without an ounce of comedy and hope in it.
>>72877850>The inefficiencies you percieve are learned failsafe mechanismsNo, they are not. They are genuinely referred to as fuckups by actual lore.>Hello primaris?Yes, something that required a fucking Primarch waking up and overruling everyone to happen. Congratulations, you've played yourself.>The IoM chooses not to pursuse rampant technological progression for the same reasin the real workd has a non proloferation pactIt doesn't "choose not to pursue rampant technological progression", it fights rabidly against ANY technological progression. If you think otherwise you are a nulore kid.>Ahh another Chaos takes root in the lower class socialist tard.It takes root in all classes because the Imperium is geared toward making it easy for Chaos to influence people.>And what do you think would happen if the Imperium unlocked all it technological innovation?>What hallened during the Horus Heresy when half the imperium turned traitor? they used tjose weapons agaisnt the loyalists.This is so retarded, I could believe an actual Imperial official said it. We didn't stop innovating in WWII just in case the Germans managed to steal ideas or plans. It is fucking retarded to stall scientific progression for this reason, especially if you're stalling stuff that isn't weaponized too - which the Imperium does.I swear to god, you people sound like actual Imperial nobles that drink the kool aid.
Austistic /pol/fags try to defend their super-serious-not-at-all-funny-seriously-guys-stop-laughing take on 40K: The ThreadEdgelord faggots btfo, 40K is satire. Deal with it.
>>72878000and there it is why we cant have nice things. A retarded leftist injecting his politics into 40k.
>>72878026It was injected at inception. You are the only one perverting the setting by demanding that the Imperium are faultless good guys because you personally identify with its politics.
>>72877926>b-b-but 40K is super-serious, stop laughing at me! Y-y-you're a tranny!/pol/faggots absolutely destroyed
>>72878026>"injecting his politics into 40K">"no the Imperium are good and necessary, NO it's not funny it's super-serious, NO NO NO SHUT UP TRANNY LEFTIST"project harder kid
>>72877883No from my point of view it is you who is evil!
>>72871780FoundationThe Forever WarThree Body Problem (arguably)
>>72878018You are fucking retarded and dont get 40k.The IoM like i just said you actual kid deliberatly inhibits technology so the weapons DO NOT GET USED AGAINST THEMIts not even the IoM doing its the Ad Mech.Technological progress does not equal win. They have plenty of advanced tech and it hasnt changed the situation any more.>takes root in all classes because the Imperium is geared toward making it easy for Chaos to influence people.Where do you get these retarded ideas from? the entire Imperium is orientated around nuking chaos from high orbit.They have a literal org dalled the Inquisition that hunts it down.You seem to think chaos is a liberation movement. Chaos is a path to mass death.>This is so retarded, I could believe an actual Imperial official said it.Jesus you just get worse with each stupid reply,Thats the lore. You headcanon brainlet fuckwit,The Dark ad mech took...half of all the death rays and fired them at the Imperium.Abaddon literally drives around in a planet killer ship.Where the fuck do you kiddies get your lore from?
>>72878128autist /pol/faggot triggered40K was written to shit on edgelords like you
>>72871780>serious sci fi setting with grim outlookThere's a perfect fit for this description. You're not going to like it.
>>72878149I know this is trolling but probably some of you fags actually think a "edgy" setting was made to some how ridicule the people enjoying it.Kinda like asking for pizza and getting the best pizza made.
My theory is that seriousposter is a single transsexual zoomer, who wants to prove to xir parents that xir recently discovered setting is a display of the seriousness of xir tragic condition, rather than a giant fun joke on the absurdities and perversities of humanity (as presented through both Chaos and the Empire that feeds it with every action it takes). Estrogen injections have rotted xir brain.
>leftists interpretation of 40k is purely politicalhmm yes if only every imperial citzien has free money and education they would not turn to chaos.Because chaos doesn't corrupt college students and socialistshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVloqiXdk0
>>72878005>You fail because like a lot of people in this thread you inject your politics into the setting.40k isn't about politics.Yet you have mentioned both fighting for a greater thing than oneself, conscription and total mobilisation of the state. If these things are political, what is?>Well no shit theres no situation since ww2 where conscription was needed but one day maybe a group of people will need it.Thats the situation the IoM is in a choice bewteen death and surviving.Perhaps 40k would require pressganging, I'll agree to that as well as worlds under attack raising conscripts/reservists as well as worlds near them. But 40k is a universe where COs are given medals for achieving objectives swiftly even if it was stupid costly with reinforcements perhaps being months or years away. This is a setting where:> Several artillery and siege companies begin to bombard the city spires and both rebels and inhabitants were mercilessly gunned down as they tred to break out from the besieged city. After five years of relentless shelling, the rebels offered their unconditional surrender to the Imperium; they were ignored, and the shelling continued for another five years. All signs of life in the hive ceased after just three, but the bombardment still continued for another two years.Happened, it's retarded and inefficient, but awesome.>Then you die. Thats what happens in 40k you get enslaved by demons and murdered or eaten.Oh you can fight if you're not free, but there's NO STAKES if you're a mindlessly suicidal Krieg shitter for example. The DKoK are an NPC faction, you wouldn't want to read a series of books from their perspective after all.
>>72878271>iom feeds chaos>slaanesh was made by space elvesOki doki commie.
>>72878271>Estrogen injections have rotted xir brain.It happens.
>>72878240Except it was, though. The creators of 40K and 80s British sci-fi overall were left-leaning Brits who sought to, and succeeded in, satirizing the predominantly conservative sociopolitics of the era through taking it to a logical extreme so wildly antithetical to a rational, sane human outlook that the ideological baseline ideas would stand exposed as equally antithetical.The idea that anyone seeks to defend the Imperium is not a sign that this was not their intention, or that they failed. It simply exposes the defenders as irrational and insane, regardless of whether that springs from earnest belief or mere contrarianism.
>>72873570Well you see we've actually played it and read the codexes and such.
>>72878271Occam's Razor indicates that seriousposter is completely earnest in being a rightard /pol/faggot.Furthermore, Occam's Razor also indicates that you are likely also a rightard /pol/faggot who is indulging in pure projection or a hilariously transparent attempt at reflection/misdirection.Cope.
>>72878128>The IoM like i just said you actual kid deliberatly inhibits technology so the weapons DO NOT GET USED AGAINST THEMThis is so incredibly wrong. Everything you claim is pure headcanon.
>>72878296Now who's injecting politics into 40K, rightard?
>>72878296I mean if I worked 12+ hour days and lived in broom cupboard and ate recycled humans, I migh, throw my lot in with anyone offering something different no matter how sketchy.
>>72878302>Yet you have mentioned both fighting for a greater thing than oneself, conscription and total mobilisation of the state. If these things are political, what iswhat about no choice dont you understand? it literally does not matter which political paint you put on the Imperium it lives or dies by how many soldiers it can muster.40k is a different time. Compare it to ww1 where thousands marched to war to defend their countries and died in droves,Its easy to judge them and the decision making but people fought for different values.I don't trust a single brat born post 90s to appreciate the courage that soldiers had during ww1>Oh you can fight if you're not free, but there's NO STAKES if you're a mindlessly suicidal Krieg shitter for example. The DKoK are an NPC faction, you wouldn't want to read a series of books from their perspective after all.You fight because you are part of the Imperium and you are defending it. Honestly free food is great dont what know what you are complaining about.If you live you get to retire and wack off to sororitas for the rest of your life.
>>72878381no you are right if we just knock down the privilege barriers or sime shit daemons wont eat peoples brains.
>>72878370It's a waste of time trying to argue with seriousposter, he's an autist /pol/faggot edgelord.I recognize his histrionic posting style, sloppy rage-caused misspellings and grammatical errors everywhere, and hilarious sperging-out as soon as anyone contradicts him. He haunts this kind of thread and shits everywhere as soon as anyone even vaguely contradicts his headcanon.
>>72878394Chaos will corrupt no matter your situation, .chaos is chaos,It will still find a way to corruot you. Its usually decadent self indulgent and "free" people that it appeals to.
>>72878433Desperate people are more likely to revolt. Considering Chaos is the metaphysical incarnation of revolution, if you remove the material conditions that cause revolution, you defang Chaos. Such conditions include everything the Imperium imposes on the vast majority of its subjects.The Imperium causes its own problems.
>>72878414>I don't trust a single brat born post 90s to appreciate the courage that soldiers had during ww1You weren't alive then either, so you're talking out of your ass.
>>72878370No it isnt you faggot. Every time a planet goes traitor they lose all the weapons and resources with it.Its in their best interest to reduce the spread of advanced weaponry.Its just war.
>>72878481>chaos is the incarnation of revolutionomg you actually think chaos is communist?Chaos just wants to kill everyone. Its like a guy knocking on your window saying let me inLmao
Man, there's always one guy like this, isn't there? They get into 40K because they see the surface iconography and assume that the setting is about their fascist daydreams being morally imperative, and then when it is revealed to them that 40K was created as a scathing parody of everything they love they go into full mental disorder mode.I actually think it reflects really well on the setting. The original team had such a good understanding of how far righters think and how propaganda operates that they made something actually able to dupe people. Incredible.
>>72878537>revolution>automatically communistYou are shockingly dim, anon.
>>72878481The onoy way to "defang" chaos is to fight it and believe in something greater than yourself.Hence the Imperium and their faith. Manifesting literal miracles.The Emperor tried mass ignorance as a weapon and it failed.
>>72878507The Mechanicus suspicion of technology comes from a literal dogmatic belief that humanity already reached the highest technological high-water mark and that any deviation from the extant STC templates is evil simply because it is different, not for any "practical" reasons.Your argument is wrong, and piss-poor to boot.
>>72878414'fraid I was born in 1990. Not sure how being born in that decade would allow me to appreciate the horrors of the Western Front more though than a Zoomer. I mean as far as I understand Tommy Atkins fought for a mix of the following:Remember Belgium (which I guess also includes defending France)Patriotic Pride and defence of the EmpireA swift end to the war (feel free to drop this attitude by 1915)To prevent the expansion of GermanyTo not be given a featherA sense of adventurePeople fought for different values back then sure, but certainly we know a lot of those who fought also considered it senseless. If you want to read something about the senselessness of war have you tried All Quiet on the Western Front? It's a sombre look at a German soldier's experience during WW1, but lacks the tasteless over the top heroics you find in less serious artistic depictions of warfare.
>>72878552This thread should be archived, and brought up in every other thread that deals with the "is 40K serious" question, if not outright pinned to the top of the board.
>>72878569Look you dumb ass chaos is not the spirit of revolution.Its an insurgency but its a ticking time bomb of mass death.
>>72878507By this logic, the best way to operate is to not have weapons. Which is clearly retarded. The Imperium doesn't restrict technology out of any kind of pragmatism - they don't even just restrict weapons, after all. They fight against technological progress because they have a cargo cult religion infesting their infrastructure, and its retarded dogma makes technological progress extremely slow.
>>72878610Chaos the disruption of order in raw, abstract form. Yes, one of the many, many things it represents is revolution.
>>72878584No thats the surface reading. The ad mech boys in reality have all the answers they just refrain from using it.Again retard its the non-proliferation analogy.Go read some actual lore ffs. stop reading reddit.
>>72878414>Compare it to ww1 where thousands marched to war to defend their countries and died in droves...And become so disillusioned with war that they completely changed the entire direction of western thought.
>>72878552That's a larp of yours though. I highly doubt the original team where thinking in terms of sticking it to the bipartisan bogeymen of the 21st century. Let alone as propaganda. They're probably amazed that anyone is reading it at all in 2020. 40k hasn't been parody ass Rogue Trader since second edition and they were being political it would be about Thatcher and shutting the mines not 'Nazi's'.
>>72878635Nurgle is the aspect of stagnation. Khorne is the aspect of War. Slaanesh if decadence and Tzeentch of conspiracy.None of this shit is about a revolution for society.Its about death.
>>72878579>to fight it and believe in something greater than yourselfThat also includes every Chaos demagogue sincere in their belief and submission to the divine Pantheon or whichever god they choose. >the Emperor tried mass ignorance as a weapon and it failedSo you're admitting that the Imperium, a regime literally built on keeping the masses ignorant, is a failure? Thanks for conceding the point.
>>72878662>I highly doubt the original team where thinking in terms of sticking it to the bipartisan bogeymen of the 21st centuryThey were thinking of sticking it to the bipartisan bogeyman of the late 20th century, which was basically the same because conservatives don't change.
>>72878661and then they had a war some years later even bigger than that. Try again.The entire point as i said its easy for people to judge them now rubbing their manboibs and stroking their chodes to unlimited free porn.
>>72878639>The ad mech boys in reality have all the answers they just refrain from using itDisproven by every single piece of fluff imaginable.For someone trying to say that other people need to read the fluff, you have a uniquely, remarkably shitty understanding of the fluff yourself.
>>72878671You seem to think that when people say revolution, they mean something positive. Also, you've completely dumbed the Chaos Gods down in your attempts to win this argument. Yet more proof that you're a nulore child that got into the game six years ago at most.
>>72878456So what your saying is that the people who run the IoM (who are decadent, indulgent and free) are the reason the Imperium is shit. Imagine this though - if they were more efficient and hard working like the common Imperial man, maybe a better Imperium could be built, not a retarded schizo one led by useless bureaucrats and luddite tech priests.
>>72878709>and then they had a war some years later even bigger than thatBecause they were forced to by a lunatic. You have a quite ridiculous view of history.
>>72878662>>72878689>the thatcherMore senile leftists dogpiling in from discord.Its hilarious because they made the lore to chaos the most anti-leftist thing ive read.
>>72878709Still doesn't change the fact that you weren't alive yourself and didn't personally fight in the war either.You're just as much removed in time as the people you hate, and therefore just as wrong.
>>72871959Compared to > Foundation> Dune> Bladerunner> The Expanse (TV series)> Altered Carbon> The Alien/Terminator/Predator shared universe> the Ghost in the Shell settingI mean those are the most popular ones from the top of my head, and the first two arent necessarily that contemporary (until the new Dune movie comes out). Holy fucking shit how are people this fucking dumb? Do you know anything besides the Marvel and DC cinematic universe?
>>72878739Projection.Just because you come here from /pol/ to shit up /tg/ doesn't mean anyone else is doing the same thing.
>>72878717No im using revolution neutrally as its meaning.An overturn and reordering of society.Chaos just wants to kill billions of people and arrange their corpses in L O L to be seen from space.
Man, this schizoid DA MPERIUM GUD GUYS is the fucking embodiment of that one quote not from Derrida.
>>72871994Lel no, how the fuck is this pastiche of 2000 AD serious in your mind? Is edgy serious to you?
>>72878689Have you any actual examples? They were fond enough of Reagan who would have the average lefty nowadays shrieking. For the record I am interested and pretty sure I remember some leftyposting in early White Dwarf opinion pieces.
>>72878736by a lunatic? "a" you little shit? Kys
>>72878762>hurr if you dont bash the impurrium you a nutzi hurrLeftism not even once.
>>72878709People judged them at the time though. The German people weren't defending shit, they decided to pick fights with the whole playground, then unsurprisingly lost.
>>72878759Chaos wants a ton of shit, often completely contradictory because it is CHAOS. Either way, the Imperium is the perfect place for it to gestate - endless war to feed Khorne, total stagnation and omnipresent filth to empower Nurgle, constant scheming and labyrinthine bureaucracy plus the perfect conditions to spark revolution for Tzeentch, and of course an entire upper crust of degenerate hedonists with near unlimited power and resources to explore their desires, just waiting to fall to Slaanesh.
>>72878759>"Chaos just wants to kill billions of people and arrange their corpses in LOL to be seen from space"Literally a nulore child, like the other anon said.
>>72878689do you fucks even know what bipartisan means?
>>72878771You can just go find any interview with Rick Priestley. The Gates of Antares one is probably the most recent.
>>72878810>"no the Imperium are good and necessary, NO it's not funny it's super-serious, NO NO NO SHUT UP TRANNY LEFTIST"Cope, /pol/faggot
>>72878843Yes. The boogieman of that year in Britain was essentially the same as this one.
>>7287855240k has become less overtly silly as the years have gone by. I could tell it was supposed to be over the top when I was 10 in 2002 and the angry space monks spent 4 hours a day thanking their bolters, and the evil KISS marines could kill you with their sweet riffs, you could move your ork vehicles faster if you painted them red, and there was a planet of gangs that dressed like different flavours of 80s sci fi set extras.But not every writer has maintained that tone, and it has got on the whole more "serious business". Its still pretty silly, but less so on its surface than it used to be. I think some people got in to it for the surface stuff and are resistant to the idea that the rest of us like it but don't take it quite so seriously as them.The planet of 80s action hero dudes used to have a special rule where they might knife their nazi cosplaying disciplinarian and dump his body in a ditch if a superior officer wasn't watching. Some of the stuff they still put out has some of the black humour vibe to it, I challenge anyone to read the uplifting primer stuff and tell me that the setting is super serious, but GW have definitely been leaning that way more these days.
>>72878827>>72878835No really chaos has always just wanted to kill lots of people.Theres the grey area where they swallow your world and rape and kill you for eternity and a few may become demons.But their end goal is to kill the galaxy and cum on its corpse.
>>72878748TBF Alien/Terminator/Predator shared universe definitely feels similar to 40k (and also an influence). 40k was and still is inspired by 80s action heroes.Can't fault any others though anon, truly 40k only seems dark and brooding to capeshitters.
>>72878810Literally letting them live rent free in your head.
>>72878892This is your headcanon, anon.
>>72878917Go on humour me what do you think chaos is actually about? UBI?
>>72878892That's the inevitable end of Chaos. Chaos itself doesn't really want anything, elements of Chaos want different things.
>>72878748>serious scifi settings like Warhammer 40000
>>72875953Doomguy always had a backstory though.
>>72878937No thats really what chaos wants. They have done it before. shit they did it to wfb.Their complex schemes boil down to a very basic kill everything motive.And they enjoy the game of reaching that point.
>>72871780>serious scifi settings like Warhammer 40000
There are so many secondaries on this board now that have internalised years of memes and trash commentary on what 40k is.The major issue i see is fucking retards cannot stop injecting their politics into 40k.
>>72878935Chaos is about change, conflict, and impermanence, whether for the better or worse, on both micro and macro scales.Read Michael Moorcock, a major influence on 40K and all contemporary scifi/fantasy generally. Order and Chaos are two polarities, and in between them is life. If Chaos won, there would be nothing, because everything would be formless and incoherent. If Order won, there would also be nothing, because everything would be locked into eternal stasis.Good and Evil are subtypes. There can be Evil Order and Good Chaos just as readily as there can be Evil Chaos and Good Order.
>>72878967Chaos victory always ends in an explosion due to the nature of Chaos. The beings that are part of Chaos tend to want a bunch of different stuff, for example Nurgle actually wants everything to stay the same forever in a constant bottomless downward spiral, but he can never have that... because Chaos.Chaos is very clearly an existential threat to everything, but it doesn't just embody big explosion. Big explosion is what happens when it wins.
>>72879014This is all correct, but it should be noted that 40K has moved somewhat away from the idea that Chaos is without alignment. There are still a few remnants of the idea that you don't have to be 100% evil to be a follower of Chaos, but they're rare now.
>>72879018According to the lore Chaos victory is the 4 gods laughing their ass off at the dead galaxy and then using Tzeentch's tardis to travel to another universe to do it again.They have done this countless times.People used to think chaos killed itself but the lore evolved a bit so that chaos victory is literally a chaos victory.
>>72878889I think part of the issue is fans becoming creators. They want the factions that they're fans of to be the good guys, so they forget the core thesis of the setting, and you start getting this confused mess that is developing now.
>>72879014Chaos moorcock and chaos 40k are not the same.Chaos moorcock was more elemental.
>>72879042Whatever direction 40K may or may not be taking in the present day still doesn't invalidate either its origins or the massive body of lore from that time.The old stuff is still canon.
>>72879090Nope and the moorcock chaos was never canon.Chaos in moorcock has a totally different meaning.
>>72879078Doesn't matter, the creators of 40K drew heavily on Moorcock's ideas and body of work to make 40K, so that idea of elemental Chaos is still inherently part of 40K's interpretation.Cope.
>>72879103Moorcock Chaos absolutely was and is canon, lorelet.
>>72879115It does matter seethe more wronglet. If you use moorcocks chaos you simply wont get 40k.Chaos in that universe has completely different meaning.
>>72879154Nope, Look tard you can look up Moorcocks chaos it never had anything to with Warhammer.Warhammer just borrowed the symbol and literal meaning.
>there are actually people that think chaos is goodThe irony here is this is how chaos takes root.
I still can't believe this guy things the AdMech has a rational reason for fighting against scientific progress. That has never been the case in any edition. The point of the AdMech is that they have a staunch religious belief that certain technology is halal and certain technology is haram, partially motivated by a deep seated fear and cargo cult mentality instilled after the Age of Strife, and further believe that to innovate beyond or outside the ancient glory of the holy STC is heretical wickedness. They don't believe in finding out new things, in fact they believe this is wrong and evil, with the exception of Hereteks and a few kooky maverick motherfuckers like (and you have no idea how hard I am sighing here) Cawl. To try to find things out for yourself is a vile offense to them. THIS is why the Imperium is technologically stagnant, not any rational reason.
>>72879169>if you use moorcocks chaos you simply won't get 40KImagine being this completely, utterly incorrect.There is absolutely no way to understand Chaos in 40K EXCEPT through Moorcock's idea of Chaos, because Moorcock came first and influenced 40K profoundly. They even named a minor Chaos god after him: Mo'rcck.You are an autist sperg, and worse, you're completely wrong about the lore.Go read the lore.
>>72878769>edgy edgy edgy
>>72879207Nobody has said Chaos is good. Why can't you argue without making shit up?
>>72879186see>>72879226and cope.You have no lore proof of anything you say. All your posts have just been sperging out and screaming.Your argument is not supported by lore. It's all in your head.Cope.
>there are actually people that think the Imperium is good
>>72879077That is probably a factor, but I think at least some of it was an attempt to make the setting more broadly appealing. Their are still comic elements there. Those "Thought of the day" things on every damn Imperium communication are the funniest shit. It always makes me imagine getting an email from Karen in HR about Vicky's maternity leave party but it opens with "It is better to die for the emperor than live for yourself" as though its supposed to be comforting. I'm glad that kind of humour is still a feature of the setting.
>>72878009>only thing that can beat the Inhibitors fucks up the setting even worse
>>72879222Well you are retarded since the Admech has a literal vault for technologyThey block ai because it can get possesed. So they have a lot of rational to their methods.
>>72879235Ah, so it is. Absolute retard.
>>72879268The inhibitors would have killed everyone in their dementia anyway. Can't imagine the shadows being much worse than the greenfly though.
>>72879226You are retarded,Moorcock Chaos and GW Chaos are different you idiot. Itd be a legal case if it was exact.Moorcocks chaos is completely diffferent. Reading it wont make you an expert on it in 40k fool.Its like saying being an expert on harry potter makes you an expert on lotr.
>>72879254It really is the best stuff. Not a clue how you wouldn't smirk at least.
>>72879268I thought it wasn't so much that they couldn't be beaten, it was that they were neccessary to maintain the health and longevity of the universe? Advanced civilizations consume tremendous amounts of energy, hastening the heat death of the universe. Hence why it was neccessary for them to be inhibited. Then again, it has been a long time since I read the series, so I could be getting everything wrong.
>>72879278>Well you are retarded since the Admech has a literal vault for technologyYes. Where they worship and/or lock it away it and don't do anything else with it. AI is like the only thing that has a good reason to be suppressed, and even then not all AI, but they don't do it out of good reason, they do it out of religious dogma.
>>72878944> Warhammer 40k (minimal viable product edition) is kinda like Warhammer 40k. Real big brain over here.
>theres people that view every little aspect if 40k as comedy even the thoughts of the day soiboys really do exist dont they?
>>72879320No, advanced civilisations are herded like cats and fuck up your grand plans to preserve them from the Andromeda collision. It turns out that offing the local super predator allows less autisticslly restrained forces to fill the power vacuum.
>>72879278>Well you are retarded since the Admech has a literal vault for technologyIndeed, and this only makes things worse. They take the amazing stuff that they could be studying and applying, and stick it in a hidden room where they jizz off to the idea of having it there. Because their religion tells them to do this.
>>72879306>"It'd be a legal case if it was exact"I never said it was an exact similarity, and it doesn't have to be for 40K Chaos to be understood in the same way as Moorcock Chaos.Again, you have no support for your argument. You're a fat dribbling autist screaming because you resent how your headcanon is being shown up as dumb and wrong.Cope.
>>72879336They supress tons of things you keep ignoring. They vault super weapons and all sorts of things.
>>72879278But anon, this is the faction that has an elaborate holy ritual for turning on machines. They aren't rational, but they are are supposed to cause a chuckle.
>>72879300Shadows wanted to escape their shitty universe eaten by the Greenfly, didn't they? I can't imagine they would be nearly as bad of a threat to biodiversity as the Greenfly, they'd probably just consolidate all the matter they could around black holes and iron stars and just try to survive as long as they could into the heat death.>>72879320IIRC the Inhibitors were created by the winners of the Dawn War, the first galactic war back when the universe was still fairly young. Their primary purpose was to prevent damage from the Andromeda galactic collision (which shouldn't be very damaging, this was always the least realistic aspect to me and a gaping plothole). I suppose they might have had a secondary notion of preventing the rise of galactic empires so the Dawn War couldn't happen again, but we don't really know what their objectives were beyond the Andromeda thing.
>>72879350>40K Thoughts For The Day>not comedy1/10 because you got me to reply and give you a (You), absolute garbage bait otherwise.
>>72879358As said before they dont want that technology getting into the wrong hands. >their religionAll this shit started because if the HH.
>>72879350anons>the setting is getting more serious, but I am glad there are still comic elements to ityou>wow why do they think every element of the setting is comedy?No wonder we are having this thread, some people just straight up can't read.
>>72879370Not because it's a good idea, just because it's policy. It's a reflexive knee-jerk tendency for the Mechanicus to sequester knowledge, not because it's practical or they gave any conscious thought to it.
>>72879370Yes. And this is bad. Do you not understand this? Instead of just vaulting this stuff they could be learning stuff from it. And this is all a moot point because the AdMech restricts ALL tech, not just weapons. Medical tech, travel tech, terraforming, tech, everything. Almost anything that could make the setting better or make the Imperium run more smoothly is basically impossible to access because the AdMech refuse to investigate it properly out of religious observance.
>>72879363Go actually read about moorcocks chaos. Stop jist talking about it.Its more like American mcgees alice chaos that warhammer.Chaos in that setting doesnt mean "bad" but in 40k it means bad, really bad.
>>72879401>As said before they dont want that technology getting into the wrong hands.That has never, ever been the reason given. You are making this shit up entirely.
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>>72879306>Itd be a legal case if it was exactIt easily could have been, except Moorcock didnt care that much, and since it's not the same product types it would have been hard to argue for anything but the punitive damages.
>>72879374But do you no get it? holy rituals teach people good maintenance without even noticing it.When you revere your car it breaks down less.
>>72879423I have read Moorcock already.It's you who hasn't, otherwise you'd understand how similar, and in fact the same, 40K Chaos is.Cope.
>>72879350Has to be bait. No one can read "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt " and take that seriously. Please don't tell me you took Rocks Are Not Free! seriously?
>>72879446Are you actually being serious here? Do you legit believe that rote religious doctrine is how to do maintenance and science because the Imperium told you that's how it works? I would normally assume you're joking, but...
>>72879446Thorough upkeep =/= holy reverence. You could achive the same results by just keeping to a strict maintenance schedule, not making a religion.
>>72879446>without even noticing itWhich is why irl cargo cultists famously came to build up their industrial capacity and overpower their neighbours proving themselves to be a great civilisation.
>>72879433Again its been the reason for decades and was started by the HH.>The Horus Heresy (005-014.M31) - Like all of the branches of the Imperium, the Mechanicum finds itself rife with corruption during the epic civil war known as the Horus Heresy. Many Forge Worlds and Knight Worlds turn from the Emperor. Indeed, the Fabricator-General of Mars, Kelbor-Hal himself, declares his allegiance to Horus, and so begins the Schism of Mars, a bitterly-fought campaign that mirrors those taking place across the galaxy. Skitarii Legions square off against each other while Titan duels Titan. Those of the Cult Mechanicus that turn to the Chaos Gods are forever after known as the Dark Mechanicum. They are hated and feared in equal measure, for they dare to fuse daemons with the Machine Spirits of their war engines, creating twisted things that mock the Machine God and His true laws of order and reason.
Maybe 40k is both serious and not serious at the same time. Maybe it's as serious as you want it to be.
>>72879446When you treat you car like a machine and run routine maintenance on it, it will work.People who revere their car start giving it a personality and shit becoming unhealthily attached to it; they'll then ignore minor issues as being just so.
>>72879474But thats not how the Imperium works they dont have time to teach everyone everything nkr do they want to.So they teach how to religously oil your gun and respect machines.
>>72879470Even if it wasn't intentional black humour it would still be hilarious. Unintentional comedy is still comedy.
>>72879504The Mechanicus religion and religious policies of sequestering technology for dumb, impractical reasons started long before the Horus Heresy.It's the difference between putting a saint's shinbone in a reliquary and not allowing anyone to touch it or examine it, and doing the same thing with a piece of miraculous lifesaving medical technology that should be studied and replicated.The former is merely irrational. The latter is not only irrational, it is an active hindrance to the progression and well-being of the species.
>>72879504At no point does this say that the Mechanicus sequesters and refuses to advance technology in order to stop others getting it. It is one of the core elements of the Mechanicus as a concept that their out of control dogma is what gets in the way of advancement.
40k is serious business for only serious wargamers. No fun allowed!
>>72879531>Maybe it's as serious as you want it to be.Nooooo you have to enjoy it how I enjoy it or you're a nazi tranny communofascist! There is no room for plurality, we live in a world of post-plurality of plastic soldier meaning!
>>72879476none of you soibois have had a car or bike have you?>>72879539Have you ever owned a bit of machinery tranny?No clue what you are talking aboutAnd some of you brainlets are not half as smart as you think you are of you miss the fucking >revere your computer and it wont break joke.
>>72879541>they don't have time to teach everyone everything>40,000 years into the future, 10,000 years since the rise of the Emperor>no timeAgain, this is purely your headcanon and not supported by any lore.
>>72879531There are limits, people are going to laugh if you try running grimdark teletubbies, same if you try calling 40k serious sci-fi when Rifters exists. There is no indication that OP is well read outside his franchise of choice so his perceptions are probably warped.
>>72879569some people have fun by taking a setting seriously. I for one am tired of settings no longer taking anything seriously.Why does every damn character need to make snarky comments all the time, just take the situation seriously damn it
>>72879583I drive, doesn't mean I need to worship my vehicle to see it gets properly maintained. How do you conduct maintenance?
>>72879583Holy fuck he actually believes it. >>72878552was fucking right, he's been indoctrinated by in-universe propaganda. We are currently experiencing what it would actually be like to argue with an Imperial bureaucrat.
>>7287958340K is about tragedy and pyrrhic victory, those don't happen when people make all the right choices you moron. Superstition is just another way of showing how far the imperium fell from Emps' initial vision.
>>72879611>Why does every damn character need to make snarky comments all the time, just take the situation seriously damn itThe magic of 40k is that characters don't do that shit. Noise marines are funny, but we never get a scene where noise marines are blasting the skeletons out of a squad of conscripts and one turns to the camera and goes "these fucking guys, am I right?". The situation is comedy enough. At the risk of incensing Americans, its the difference between american and british humour. British comedy is happy to dial the absurdity all the way up and play it as straight as possible for laughs.40k is the Ministry of Silly Walks: The sci fi setting. Its humour is in how seriously it takes itself.
>>72878552Pretty sure people got into it for the grimdark thing. I found it interesting how there were no actual good side as it's more realistic to life.>40k is turning the kids into fascistsand Doom caused school shootings
>>72875589That's not Master that's Rassilon
>>72879611You know what I think? I think I want to smash that angry cunt.Seriously, how to the forces of Chaos refrain from just stopping at every SoB garrison to run an endless train on them?
>>72879690truly based post
>>72879692You have misread.Nothing in that post suggests that 40K turns people into fascists. It suggests that the majority of people get into it for grimdarkness and rad space knights and super sentai elves, but there's always one fucker who gets into it because they're already a fascist and think the setting approves of them. Then when they realize it's actually taking the piss out of them, they can't cope.
Can you idiots just admit you arent 40k fans? its so obvious you are leftpol fanatics obsessed with attacking 40kIts literally like that its ok to e white thing>"i like 40k">dogpile of angry replies
>>72879737Lmao you are calling me a fascist because what? I like 40k? I like the Imperium? i understand it better than you?Thats a pretty weak definition of fascist.
>>72879737Really sounds like your trying to inply that people who take the setting seriously are fascists
>>72879773>this much right-wing /pol/tard projectionCope, faggot.And while you're coping, actually read some 40K lore.
>>72879773>Its literally like that its ok to e white thing
You heard it here if you buy a box of Space marines and think "this is seriously cool" you are a fascist!
>>72879800Actually, I don't care about whether someone takes the setting seriously or not. IMO >>72879690has the correct take.But genuine believers that the Imperium is good and just and the best ever usually are the way they are due to their personal politics. I've seen it often, and we're seeing it here.
>>72879798>i understand it better than youYou've proven for the length of this entire thread that all you have is headcanon, and that your actual understanding of the setting only extends to how much you believe it justifies your personal sociopolitical beliefs IRL.Cope.
>>72879806its the same deal>i like 40k>one hundred replies by some butthuurt discord telling you to stop liking it.
>>72879773I like 40k fine, I just like other sci if too and find it ridiculous when some readlet tries comparing them one for one.
>>72879834We all like 40K. And nobody is saying you can't like it. You are simply stating incorrect things and being corrected.
>>72879690You might not understand a key point of american culture. We know it's over the top and a parody, but we like to play along with it for fun. Pretending and going along with the joke is something americans do a bit more, it lets us have more fun.
>>72879833I've been into 40k for over thirty years. Some of you little shits need to stfu.
>>72879816It *is* cool, but it is not serious. Something can be cool and absolutely comedic and dumb as hell and not to be taken seriously, much like heavy metal.>"no the Imperium are good and necessary, NO it's not funny it's super-serious, NO NO NO SHUT UP TRANNY LEFTIST"Cope.
>>72879834No, it's:>40k is serious sci fi>lolwut? read actual books nigger
>>72879847No it's obvious people in this thread are trying to paint the picture that liking the imperium of man means your likely a fascist.It's like the fuckers calling fans of Kreig fascists
>>72879798You don't understand shit. You are warping the setting simply so that the faction you identify with politically is the good guys. Literally everything you have said is made up nonsense that anyone who has been playing the game longer than three or four years knows is nonsense.
>>72879847what incorrect things? your attitude is dogmatic.>attack humans in 40k or you are a fascistYou are tau fags arent you? Ive been wasting my time arguing with tau fags.
>>72879852>"I've been into 40K for over thirty years">"y-y-you have to believe me guize, would someone lie on the internet?"Go read some lore, kid.
>>72879876I like the Imperium of Man. I don't think the Imperium of Man are legitimately the good guys, what they do is all necessary, and they're not in many ways a parody of IRL shit. Because if I thought that stuff, I wouldn't actually like the Imperium, I'd like my headcanon version of it like you do.
>>72879876DKoK aren't fascists, well no more so than an average Guard regiment can be accused of being. They are pretty removed from the human experience however.
>>72879885>literal meme-level understanding of 40K>"i understand 40K better than u"Go read some lore, kid.
>>72879876Socrates is a man, not all men are Socrates. Fascists are 40k fans, not all 40k fans are fascists. The vast majority aren't in fact, the original post was saying that /pol/fags realising that they're a joke are a vocal minority.
>>72879883And there it is the politics. I dont identify with the IoM you ad homiem retarded fuck.I have over the years liked all the factions and can defend anyone of them.I am simply stating facts, You think anything not attacking the IoM is fascism.
>>72879885>what incorrect things?Every single thing you've said about how the Imperium works or what it does.>attack humans in 40k or you are a fascistJesus, you legitimately do not understand what is going on. This isn't about attacking humans or disliking the Imperium or liking Chaos or aliens or anything. It is about you making el retardo statements about the lore and people noticing this.
>>72879850You can just say most Americans are too subhumanly retarded to comprehend any but the most spoon-fed, in-your-face forms of ''humor'' out there. It's ok.
I always viewed it as the imperium is evil as fuck, but their humans in a galaxy that's literally out to get them so they kind of have to be.It's the lesser of 2 evils kind of thing
>>72879920>I dont identify with the IoMJust because you personally don't, doesn't mean that all others don't and that the phenomenon the anon you were replying to described doesn't exist.
>>72879907I think the IoM are the good guys. Are the Imperium my "politics" not really. Then again I don't inject politics into it like this weasal>>72879883
>>72879919>fascists are 40k fansgot a source to back up that claim?
>>72879950Except there are multiple better ways to do things, even in a galaxy as shitty and hostile as depicted, and the lore itself acknowledges that fact.
>>72879850Whereas the british version of humour, and its especially true of black humour, is to present something that takes itself seriously but you sit back and go "well that's would be mighty silly". That isn't the sole feature of 40k's writing, but it is in its DNA. You don't want to live in Brazil (the movie I mean) or the world where even silly walks are subject to byzantine administration. Its a joke about a minor annoyance of everyday real life turned all the way up in to absurdity for a laugh.Wasn't trying to start anything with the americans comment, some of you take any comparison with others on the internet as a personal attack.
>>72879932I am only referring to the lore and have only ever stated facts.What statements?>>72879953No you little commie bitch. You just called me a facist its like you want to get your jaw broken.Do you do this a lot in real life?
>>72879944Yes anon you're right, liking the IOM means you're probably a fascist and americans are too dumb to understand parodies.Thanks for letting us know what kind of views the people making the fascist claims have
>>72879974The retards that take thoughts of the day seriously for one.
>>72879920>I dont identify with the IoM you ad homiem retarded fuckThen why the fuck are you so invested in pretending that it isn't parodical and legitimately retarded? Why do you feel the need to pretend that the setting doesn't set the Imperium up as an awful shithole and the creator of many if not most of its own woes?>You think anything not attacking the IoM is fascism.The fact that you think of this as an attack on the IoM shows that you are completely disconnected from reality. The IoM is a fucking amazing concept, it's a great element of the setting. But it is very much now meant to be the good guys, it is very much meant to be a bloated shitty mess that is too far gone to be fixed, and it is very much meant to be creating its own problems. The IoM is not doing the right thing, the AdMech are not reasonable, AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE SETTING GOOD.
>>72879977Americans take even the slightest criticism as a personal attack, and respond in kind. Source: am American.Good on you for posting though, you were completely correct regardless of American spergs.
>literally leftists just calling people fascists ittyou can't make this shit up. Is this the new stonetoss comic.You just say i love 40k and they go nuts.
>>72879998>I am only referring to the lore and have only ever stated facts.You've stayed as far from facts as humanly possible. For example, saying the AdMech only restricts technology to prevent bad guys from getting it has been proven wrong multiple times.
>>72879994damn that anonomous post really proved your point>>72880004compelling rebuttalIs this a discord raid or something?
>>72879998>I am only referring to the lore and have only ever stated factsYou have only ever stated your headcanon and your "facts" are nothing of the kind.>You just called me a fascist it's like you want to get your jaw brokenYour dick is so small dude, no wonder you seek psychological refuge in the power fantasies of fascist ideology.Cope.
>>72879737>always one fucker>>72879998>he must be referring to me specifically!learn to read lol
>>72879950>The nobility go hunting people in the underhive with their incredibly high tech equipment.There's no lesser of two evils here really.
>>72880002what is it a parody of?>>72880004You realise thoughts of the day are not all jokes. They are supposed to put you in the mood of the setting amd are fluff flavour.
>>72880038it's becoming more obvious it's just pissed off leftists now that their trying to bring up americans in conversations that really has nothing to do with them.
>>72880038>literally right-wing /pol/fags just calling people commies ittyou can't make this shit up. Is this the new stonetoss comic.You just say i don't think the IoM are the good guys and they go nuts.
>>72880052>he can't stop calling people fascistsIs this how you talk to your wifes son?
>>72880069The idea of parody portrayed straight seemed lost on some. Idiots were implying that it wasn't satire unless someone winks at the camera.
>>72880069it's becoming more obvious it's just pissed off right-wingers now that their trying to bring up stonetoss in conversations that really has nothing to do with them.
>>72880059he literally referred to me specifically.
I don't think this guy is a real life fascist, I think he's just legit weak minded and has genuinely bought into the in-universe propaganda of the Imperium. Which is amazing in a retarded way, but whatever.
>>72880062>They are supposed to put you in the mood of the setting amd are fluff flavour.that doesn't make them not funny.
>>72880077He didn't say you were a fascist, he said that they were among the 40k fan base and you leapt into the role.
>>72880061>brings up nobilityI never said they were good or noble you strawmanning faggot, I said they are the better of 2 evilsIn a galaxy with things like Chaos,Tyranids,Orks, Dark Eldar and Necrons they are the lesser of 2 evils. Also them being human probably makes it easier to sympathies with them, but that doesn't mean you have to see them as some shining beacon of hope you disingenuous prick.
>>72880002>liking the IOM means you're probably a fascistwrong>americans are too dumb to understand parodiescorrect>Thanks for letting us knowNP
>>72880077>threatening to break people's jaws over the internetYou have a micropeen anon, it's ok. Most rightards do.
>>72880069I noticed this over the last year or two on here there actually seems to be a group that is "policing" 40k here.I remember a year or two ago they outright admitted they thought it was their job to moderate the board.They would spam people with multiple replies, literally no matter what you said.Its the same idiots.
>>72880085>>72880096So this who 40k fascist thing is just the left being pissy, great to know
>>72880101Different guy, but to be fair dude, looking back at the conversation, this did start with you trying to defend the political system being discussed here.
>>72880069>it's becoming more obvious it's just pissed off leftists now
>>72880105and that was my point of idiots like you finding *everything* in the setting funny.You are soibois. You dont get the setting. You miss the jokes and laugh at shit that isnt jokes.
>>72871780druna perhaps? might be a bit too erotic tho
>>72880113>that doesn't mean you have to see them as some shining beacon of hopeThen why are you getting so mad when that's literally our only assertion?We don't like the Imperium because it would be dumb and bad in real life. We're not trying to make GW change that depiction of the Imperium. That is in your head.
>>72880160Do you just need comedy explained to you? Attaching "GOD IS WATCHING YOU MASTURBATE" to your emails is absurd anon, to the point of comedy.
>>72880144I quite literally did not. All my posts said its not about the political system and i was replying to an idiot putting his political views in the setting.You lying little cunt.
>>72880134I'm new to /tg/ and even I can tell it's happening. These people have the weirdest and most backwards logic I've seen on this board.Fuck I've been called a fascist here and I don't even play the Imperium. Going to guess they're also the ones trying to shit on Space Marines and imperium players all the time
>>72880134sounds like you're a /pol/lack projecting his own shitposting intent and practice onto an imaginary other
>>72880171because you're fucking insinuating that people who like something are most likely fascists you disingenuous sub human
>>72880174Holy shit you do not get 40k. Top tier fedora shit. Insert a banana in your ass you fat stupid fuck.
>>72880160>"no the Imperium are good and necessary, NO it's not funny it's super-serious, NO NO NO SHUT UP TRANNY LEFTIST"Cope, you right-wig sperglord autist.
>>72879950I'd say it's less that they had to be, it's more that generations of mistakes have compounded to the point where it's essentially impossible to not be a shithead. Like, it's already been brought up that the AdMech has a ton of stuff lying around that could solve a whole host of problems the Imperium faces, or at least alleviate them - but they don't, because they're too busy putting these things on literal pedestals and chanting at them.Everybody wouldn't have to be a cunt if people had been doing things correctly, but they've been doing everything wrong for so wrong now and their mistakes have piled up in such volume that there's no way to fix anything anymore.
>>72880171i legit think the Imperium is a good idea though in 40k.You seem to be special ed and a red retard that need a bullet.
>>72880180Hmmm? I'm looking at a post right now where you say you can't believe people think the system of the Imperium could be bad. Is that not you?
>>72880196>Top tier fedora shit.>tfw a catholic but get called a fedora because anon doesn't understand humour
>>72880182>I'm new to /tg/Because you came here from /pol/, and you should go back there>>72880180It's right there for everyone to see, fuck off with your disingenous bullshit.>>72880193The only reason you would be so upset and have such a strong emotional reaction is if we were correct>>72880196As stated multiple times, *you* don't get 40K and should read the lore. Cope.
>>72880193No you dumbfuck he's saying a few take a satire at face value and get pissy when they realise the original intent just like you are now.
>>72880171Speak for yourself, I love the Imperium precisely because it would be dumb and bad in real life, and is dumb and bad in 40K. The guy you're talking to is a retard though, the Imperium has never been portrayed as good or righteous, or making anything better for anyone.
>>72880113I hope you're ESL, because the nobility tends to refer to the upper classes you brainlet. There is no moral reason for Spyrers to hunt hivers. A lot of the evil the IoM commits it DOES NOT have to do, that's what you seemingly fail to understand.
>>72880228>i legit think the Imperium is a good idea though in 40k.>You seem to be special ed and a red retard that need a bullet.And I think it becomes more and more obvious with each new post that you actually are a fascist who likes the Imperium because it conforms with your real-world politics.Cope.
>>72880182The thing is i always get called a fascist and all I do is explain some of the finer points of the setting, im not making judgement calls, not bringing up my politics.I'll say something like Marines have a wholesome bowl of oats in their schedule and get blasted. Its beyond parody at this point.
>>72880244I'm from /co/ and play Night Lords because they remind me of Batman.>The only reason you would be so upset and have such a strong emotional reaction is if we were corrector maybe it's because trying to label an entire group of people who enjoy something as fascist is fucking stupid and people are calling it out
>>72880211Exactly, tragicomedy at its best, you laugh or you cry and cherish the small kindnesses in a dark world.
>>72880255what satire? you dont even know what the fucking word means.
>>72880266Nah, he might not be a fascist, just a brainlet. He seems to have just seriously bought in to the Imperium to the point where he's willing to completely ignore the lore to pretend they're good guys.
>>72880270>that one lone /pol/tard talking to himselfNice try, buddy.
>>72880266I'm not a fascist i am a communist.The IoM is perfect communism.
>>72880263And you fail to understand what the lesser of 2 evils means. It doesn't matter if you keep on bringing up shitty thing they do because it's still less evil than the other factions
>>72880291My nigga. I wish there weren't so many people who desperately need the Imperium to be da good guys to stroke their e-peen. It completely destroys the core themes of the setting to make the Imperium good or reasonable.
>>72880301but they are the good guys. If you are a human and im assuming xir is a human right? not a fox?
>>72880295>hair metal elves getting blasted by neon KISS>not inherently ridiculousPlaying it straight in universe makes it better and you faggots treating it entirely seriously is the best possible meta-joke.
>>72880290>an entire group of people who enjoy somethingI enjoy 40K. Playing the game, converting and painting, reading the books. I am most fond of the Inquisition and the Black Templars.I don't think the Imperium is either good or necessary, despite my enjoyment of the hobby, and I am suspicious of anyone who does.That's what we're talking about here.
>>72880334>nigga>core themes>thinks the IoM is badAnd just like that he invalided his posts.Its always one if you people.
>>72880314>the IoM is perfect communismNice try, /pol/tard
>>72880317How many 'Order' factions regularly go out their way to cause suffering to their own species without a greater goal in mind?
>>72880343There hasn't been an OP this retarded in a while.
>>72880349that isnt satire you retard,
>>72880343>>72880361And archived for posterity
>>72880336They don't even make things better for humans, anon. The vast majority of humans under the Imperium canonically live awful, demeaning, short, fucked up lives. Everything that could make anything better is either rejected by the Imperium out of religious dogma, or rejected by the Imperium out of bureaucratic or aristocratic corruption. The only thing the Imperium is best at is wasting humans lives, and it is falling apart at an accelerating rate because it literally cannot go on functioning as it does.The Imperium's only plus is that it isn't Chaos.
>>72880349I think the issue is people don't see the punchline so they assume there wasn't a joke.
>>72880350>good or necessaryit's literally the only thing keeping humanity alive>>72880375Nids just want to kill everythingOrks just want to kill everythingNecrons want to kill everything but themselvesDark Eldar literally do this for funAre you really trying to claim that the IoM is somehow more evil than these other races
>>72880357>being this triggered by an ironic use of "nigga">thinking this means that the poster is black>using that absolutely absurd and out-of-nowhere assumption to make a judgment of an argumentYou are a literal stereotype, /pol/faggot
>>72880375You people have this weird obsession with the Imperium.Their goal is defending themselves.
>>72880357>person who thinks the Imperium is the good guys has a problem with black peopleYou guys always, always out yourselves eventually. So much for screaming and whining about people mischaracterizing you.
>>72880425You're accusing people who like the IoM as being fascists, no shit their going to defend themselves from such an accusation you complete dumbass
>>72880381Would you not consider the ends justify the means dystopian hellhole that we are told is necessary to preserve humanity but in fact causes humanity a great deal of suffering Juvenalian satire?
>>72880419You're such a simpleton. You really think that the Imperium not being the good guys means Tyranids or Necrons are? Are you such a complete backbirth that you cannot conceive of a setting without a good guy?
>>72880419>literally the only thing keeping humanity aliveBut it is not literally the only option. Plenty of other options exist canonically, and would 100% be better. You're basing your entire headcanon and personal interpretation of 40K on the fallacy that because something exists, it is either good or necessary.
>>72880399If you are too stupid to grasp that the IoM is protecting humanity you need to find another setting.Social inequities is trivial shit. some one being poorer than another is irrelevent when your planet is being eaten.
>>72880381Then the ministry of silly walks isn't comedy either. It's a fun dumb image and the idea of admech idiots wanking over toasters is as on the nose as a political cartoon you joyless fuck.
>>72880459No. Can you stop
>/pol/acks itt gulping down blatant /leftypol/ trannybait harder than the fantasize about gulping on Tyrone's cock
>>72880419They are the fags that unironically think if you support humanity in an setting you are a fascist.Just because they were diddled.
>>72880470There are no bad guys or good guys you dumbass, that's the entire point. The only reason people choose to support the IoM is because their fucking humans and are trying to keep humanity alive. How do you not understand this basic fucking concept.>>72880474it's fucking grimdark, you're not supposed to actually have a better option because then it wouldn't be grimdark.
>>72880494Not get bitch, suck harder. I'm almost finished.
>>72880476>the IoM is protecting humanityIn an extremely dumb and inefficient way. Better ways exist canonically, in-settingAcknowledging that fact does not mean I want GW to stop portraying the Imperium as dumb and inefficient. It just means I'm not a retard, a sperg, or a right-wing asshole jacking off to power fantasies.
>>72879773>Can you idiots just admit you arent 40k fans? its so obvious you are leftpol fanatics obsessed with attacking 40k>Its literally like that its ok to e white thing> if you take 40k seriously and critically analyse it, you must be from lefty/pol/> if you dont think 40k is a serious setting, you must also be from lefty/pol/Jesus fucking Christ are you dumb.
>>72880535you are a loser you stupid incel cunt
>>72880518It's completely asinine, fuck it's like claiming liking Storm Troopers is a fascist thing.Fuck I'm making a NL army and i'm being accused of being a fascist.
>>72880518I can support humanity and think that the Imperium is at the bottom of the list of efficient or morally correct ways to support humanity.You're the one who seems to have a problem with this, as evinced by this thread.
>>72880540what is the smart way then? what is the efficient way?
>>72880575what is the correct way?
>>72880476The level of barbarity the Imperium inflicts on the vast majority of its subjects goes well beyond social inequality. And if you are too stupid to grasp that the IoM isn't slowly throttling humanity you need to find another setting.40K is not about the good guys being surrounded on all sides and pulling through because they're right and just. It is not about good people making hard choices to win out against the forces of darkness in the name of what's right. It is about hope being dead. The last bastion of mankind is a festering cage that is falling apart. The angels are monstrous child soldier psychopaths. The goodly and wise Emperor is dead and his corpse writhes with the life essence of butchered children. Anyone that is good is ground down beneath the heel of the most brutal, pointless, wasteful and destructive regime imaginable, and trying to flee from it means plunging headlong into a galaxy aflame. This isn't a setting where you fantasize about being a white knight. The last heroes are dead or dying. Everything is fucked.
>>72880419>Nids>Orks>Dark EldarI said forces of order anon, Craftworld Eldar and Tau exist and tend to hate their own population less than the Imperium
>>72880553Yeah baby that's the good stuff. Talk dirty to me you whore.
>>72880529>There are no bad guys or good guys you dumbassThat's exactly what he said. You're the one trying to pretend that the Imperium are the good guys.
>>72880615I think Thatcher was a good pm
>>72880577Maintain acne over ritual for a start. There's pretty much nothing that could be done now but pre-HH there are any number of ways Emps could have curbed his autism.
>>72880602The path Tau are heading towards will lead to nothing but ruinEldar are pricks but hey I guess they can be considered good guys compared to the IoM.I guess if you don't want to be a fascist you have to play the Eldar
>>72880631I never once said they were the good guys, I claimed they are the lesser of 2 evils. My god can you fags stop strawmanning for 1 second or do you just want to ignore the points that people are making
>>72880650*Maintainance>>72880644By the empathy I'm gonna...
>>72880601>40K is not about the good guys being surrounded on all sides and pulling through because they're right and just.Thats what it is about.
>>72880529>it's fucking grimdark, you're not supposed to actually have a better option because then it wouldn't be grimdark.Brainlet-tier conception of grimdark.The presence of a better alternative makes the setting all the more grimdark.This is literally Tragedy 101. Tragedies are tragic because they are unnecessary, not because they are inevitable or "simply the way things are."But there is also comedy in tragedy, because you can laugh at people who are so fucking dumb that they think misery and privation are the only possible options.This is 40K.Cope.
>>72880657that always weirds me out eldar are worse than the IoM
>>72880678They're only surrounded in the first place because they're evil retards. Interex were the real heroes.
>>72880529>it's fucking grimdark, you're not supposed to actually have a better option because then it wouldn't be grimdark.Well, the point is that there were better options, but stupidity destroyed them.
>>72880678But anon, the good guys are coming in from outside the galaxy.
>>72880692is this you admitting you are a tau player?
>>72880678>40K is not about the good guys being surrounded on all sides and pulling through because they're right and just.>Thats what it is about.>The Imperium>right and justImagine being this completely and utterly wrong on every possible level.
>>72880657If you don't want to be fascist play whatever you like and don't mistake it for serious sci fi like a self important twat.
>>72880657But I want to play Guard and still acknowledge they're over the top self murdering shit heads, while also developing the story of mydudes. Sounds way more fun than playing Eldar or Tau, they can't even be ordered to shoot into their own men.
>>72880674Ah, I may have gotten you mixed up with the guy arguing that the Imperium genuinely are the good guys.The Imperium totally is the lesser of two evils. It will also ruin everything if allowed, but not as spectacularly as Chaos would.
>>72880657the Eldar ironically are actually the fascist faction in the setting.I always found it ironic they were popular with anti-facsists.Despite being literal space vargs.
>>72880718>meme-tier understanding of 40KGo read some lore, kid.And read some Moorcock while you're at it.
>>72880678Are you twelve?
>>72880754Are you a human? IoM are the good guys.They are your only hope.
>>72880761ok, tau player
>>72880746I can take it seriously as I want and still not be a fascist, sorry you lack the comprehension skills needed for to understand such a basic concept>>72880751sorry anon you're a fascist>>72880759because they equate fascism with whites probably and the eldar being based on asians probably hides that
>>72880787>IoM are the good guysDemonstrably false.>They are your only hope.Also demonstrably false.
>>72880759Canonically, Eldar society is utopian and post-scarcity. They don't have a recognizable human political system.
>>72880810>I can take it as seriously as I want and still not be a fascist>"I like 40K because I unironically believe real life should be more like the Imperium"Ok buddy
>>72880759>space vargsstealing that anon. Still just like Varg they're mainly content to sit in the corner and do things behind the scenes, with only the occasional murder. They at least don't practice cannibalism and torture their own folks needlessly.
>>72880810But thats the thing Eldar are based on Elves as in European tolkien elves and that ideal is closer to how fascists view themselves.Unless you are saying asians are fascists the i agree. they are!
>>72880754Ya we probably got mixed up, I never claimed they were genuinely good I was making the case that they were the lesser of 2 evils in some ways. Also when every faction is terrible, most people will want to side with the humans because humanity fuck ya!
>>72880787The only hope for humanity in 40K is the thin, insubstantial possibility of someone somehow reforming the Imperium to the point where it is no longer the Imperium. The Imperium itself is just slowly torturing mankind to death. There are many, many people within the Imperium that are desperately fighting to protect mankind, but the Imperium itself is an engine of ruin.And again, there's no good guys.
>>72880815CWE are extremely consrevative puritans that view all other races with extremely hostile xenophobia well beyond what anything the IoM shows.Their origin myth and politics is text book fascism.
>>72880806Neck yourself, lorelet
>>72880832are you strawmanning or is this just lazy bait?>>72880848A lot of the eldar culture is based on asian culture, they're a mix of elves and asians
>>72880815Democracy goes down the toilet when precognitives are in play, makes me wonder how we'll manage once the algos are good enough.
>>72880846it recent fluff they casually genocided an entire star system of multiple alien species.
>>72880881"Are you strawmanning?" says the poster who's been strawmanning for the entire thread.Classic projection.
>>72880912and archived for posterity/pol/tards get rekt
>>72880872>well beyond what anything the IoM showsIncorrect.CWE are willing to mass murder other races either to fight Chaos or to preserve their own lives. The IoM is driven to mass murder other races out of pure hatred and dogmatic zeal. One is pragmatism, the other is dogma. Eldar are also way, way more varied than the Imperium in terms of belief. You have Biel-Tan who are literally The Empire Will Rise!, then you have Craftworlds that simply don't care about other races, then you have Princes that will go out of their way to ferry humans out of warzones purely because they sorta look a little like Eldar.Eldar are probably the most varied faction in terms of belief structure.
>>72880881Not really they are based on Termites from nemesis the warlock and warhammer elves.They have a lot of occultist imagery like egyptian, celtic, nordic , shinto, taoist etc symbolism
>>72880810I mean no one has accused me of being fascist while playing Guard, but then I do embrace the plurality in the tone of the setting because I'm not a child.Then again I remember chuckling about "Rocks are NOT ‘free’, citizen" at least in Chapter Approved when not even a teen, which I'm not sure how anyone can chuckle at lorewise.
>>72880921Lack of reading comprehension spans the political spectrum anon, we'll have plenty more threads in the future talking about how you are morally wrong for liking 40k because certain elements aesthetically invoke bad and wrong things.
>>72880904>doubles down on strawmanning and a samefag accusationso it's probably bait, or a really stupid anon
>>72880956>continues to accuse everyone else of doing the very thing that he himself is doingOk buddy
>>72880692The tragedies are introduced on a smaller scale. Individual characters that recognize the brokenness of what they are a part of, but inevitably fail because of their mistakes or the (relatively) short-sighted or selfish interference of others. The will of the individual is nothing compared a literal galaxy of shit working against it.You can have victories, but they are at best pyrrhic, at worst illusionary. Every glimpse of sunlight is fleeting. Even if a story ends on a high note, the reader must step back an acknowledge that it is only a temporary reprieve."better options" exist in 40k but they don't fucking work. A grimdark setting without the room for things to briefly glow would be as bland as a noblebright setting that is so bright that shadows can never form for heroes to fight. But the acknowledgement of these factors isn't important at the high level.
>>72880881Eldar iconography is just a general mix-and-match from ancient societies, with a helping of David Bowie atop it all. There's more Gaelic, Persian, and Egyptian influence than anything else. Interestingly, they don't seem to have the Bryzantine influences WHFB elves have.
>>72880933False. IoM does it out of survival.Eldar does it because they think other races are less than them.And squatting in their empire,In fact Beiltan they were not happy with weapons that just genocide others they invented weapons that destroy your molecules so you dont even leave a smell behind.
>>72880902Sounds like they're still not needlessly slaughtering their own folks.
>>72880988Its actually occultist. If you believe occultism is fascist thats another strike against them.
>>72880953By definition, anyone who plays the game does not object to its aesthetic elements. This is not that discussion, as much as you /pol/tards would love it to be, and are devoted to strawmanning.This is an argument between people who enjoy the game and the hobby but see the Imperium for what it is---just another faction of bad guys---and the people who need to believe the Imperium are literally, unironically the good guys because it echoes their real-life sociopolitics.
>>72880956>says some niggers get pissy when anybody implies the franchise is satire>some nigger gets pissy get pissy because somebody implies the franchise is a satireYou're already made of straw, there is nothing about you to make more ridiculous.
>>72881000They are a race dying out deliberatley killing themselves in a suicidal scheme to get kill the raoe god they made.So yeah you are retarded.
>>72880810> Eldars are not!asians> not TauNeck yourself.
>>72880992>False. IoM does it out of survival.>Eldar does it because they think other races are less than them.You literally have it the exact wrong way round. Craftworld Eldar typically don't even seek out conflicts unless they have to, they actively future scan to avoid fighting and only engage in it when necessary. The Imperium, on the other hand, is engaged in a perpetual crusade against every other species in the galaxy.It's like you don't know even basic lore. The moment the Imperium isn't doing something perfectly morally squeaky clean, your brain goes into implosion mode and makes shit up to compensate.
I like the IoM asethetics.
>>72881017>Its actually occultistYou are hilarious.
>>72881058> Gold, skulls and gothic gigantismBest parts of the setting imho
>>72878123>Three Body Problem (arguably)No no and again no. Chinese author is so brainwashed its always about other chinese to save the world, despite him being honest about revolution and how it exposed the worst about chinese people. Books arent even really that great to be honest, and the death's end is just garbage. Yeah, i read it despite actually knowing it will be beforehand.Thanks for the forever war thought, i havent read that one.
>>72881056You do not know your lore.eldar are arrogant, racist, xenophobic, full of shit, genocidal, murderers.They hate every single race for taking over their empire they call them usurpers and will kill anyone coming near their maiden worlds.
>>72880985It's like you didn't read my post at all.>"better options" exist in 40k but they don't fucking work. Better options exist in 40K and they DO work, the Imperium just doesn't take them. This willing refusal to embrace the better options is where the tragedy and grimdarkness comes from, and also where the comedy comes from. Without the existence of the better options, there is no grimdark.
>>72881092see>>72880933and cope.Read the lore.
>>72881040Ynnari =/= Craftworld Eldar, read some more lore.
>>72881092>eldar are arrogant, racist, xenophobic, full of shit, genocidal, murderers.Yup. At least, large numbers of them are. They're also the most morally upright faction because they usually try not to engage in conflict unless it's necessary, and don't for the most part have a policy of extermination toward all other species.There are no good guys in 40K. Eldar are the least evil.
>>72881082Rifters, anything by Greg Egan, Ted Chiang. It's more an existential dread kind of darkness and all the more terrifying for it. The China saves the world thing may be as much a kowtow to local audience expectations as it is the author having his head lodged up his ass.
>>72878748>the expanse>dune>altered carbon after 1st bookLOLD! Get out of here, dude.
>>72881058So do I. That's why I play 40K.I don't think the IoM is either good or necessary though, and I am suspicious of the real-world sociopolitics of anyone who does.And not without reason, as this thread shows.
I find it hilarious that this guy had been desperately shouting that he's not a far right motherfucker and this isn't why he thinks the Imperium are sparkling good guys, but the moment someone uses black slang, he immediately has a meltdown over niggers. Way to hide your powerlevel, faggot.
>>72881118One of the central themes of eldar is their capriciousness. They absolutely despise other races more than the Imperium. its been likes this for decades little dude.They will kill other races the Iom will ally with.They are that screwy.
>>72881132Your post is lies.They engage in war and genocide on the regular,Beil tan is devoted to it.
You could harvest the autism emanating from this thread and make a fusion energy reactor out of it.
>>72881170Most people think fags that say nigga are idiots.
>>72881118https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/EldarRead. Eldar are many times worse than the Imperium.
>>72881095I was mostly agreeing with you, mate, just drawing the line at silver bullet 'better options' for entire factions.
>>72881173>they will kill other races the IoM will ally with>the IoM will ally withThe IoM literally thinks they have a divine right to rule the galaxy and that all other forms of alien life are blasphemers for merely existing.Not only is that absolute skull-fuckingly stupid and bad, it's utterly hilarious.This is why 40K is not serious.
>>72881258The thing most people seem to think is that "if a better option exists, why wouldn't the Imperium take it? That must mean no better options exist, or that if they do exist they aren't actually better because they don't work."That is a fundamental misunderstanding of humanity in general, and 40K specifically.
>>72881139Read all but Greg Egan, i dont think rifters and its (in-universe, sequels, but actually prequels) are truly relevant, the whole universe works on premise that humans are subservient to their animalistic part and i cannot accept that grim look at the nature of man. Ted Chiang - read him, didnt like him, cant even say why, felt too bleak to even remember to be honest. But thanks for Greg Egan, never heard of him, but hell, im russian, so we only get the super-popular stuff, otherwise it isnt even published on our language with all the translation problems. Peace.
>>72881212Most people think that the people who think people who say nigga are idiots are themselves idiots, and easily triggered babies to boot.Sack up, cupcake.
>>72881281You are confusing Eldar with IoM. IoM doesnt have an issue with peaceful aliens.They have aliens in their borders and work with aliens regularly.Their primary concern is hostile aliens.Eldar literally just hate everyone.
>retarded left fags only obsess about IoM>are oblivious that the Eldar are worse than the IoMHoly shit just fuck off already, you retarded secondary filth.
>>72881188>>72881240When do they needlessly fuck up their own people like the IoM does? This is even more true when talking about scenarios internal to Craftworlds, Autarchs don't just fire into squads of Guardians or make Eldar workers work to their deaths.
sameniggering threads like these are the reason IDs are necessary for all boards and flags to weed out the antipodean niggerposters
>>72881352>IoM doesn't have an issue with peaceful aliensAgain, this is 100% false and not supported by the lore.Standard Imperial religious dogma is that the very existence of a sapient alien species is a sin, a blasphemy, and an affront to the God-Emperor, and should be scourged from His sight with extreme prejudice, even if they are peaceful.You are making things up. The Imperium are worse than the Eldar.
>>72881188Cite ten times that the CWEldar attack without some kind of pressing reason.
>>72881388Like when they summoned slaanesh? Dark Elder's dystopian hell city?The fact they are deliberately dying out?You people are beyond fucking dumb and dont read the lore.
>>72881327Egan is a fucking gem, his short fiction has genuinely changed the way I think about interpersonal relationships. All I can say about the cynical outlook is that the state of the world doesn't look like something brought about by rational agents with self-control.
>>72881382see>>72881406Keep trying, /pol/tard.
>>72881352This has to be bait, please don't say you're the anon defending Thoughts of the Day
>>72881406Jokaro? Theres many examples of IoM being at peace with aliens.
>>72881352>IoM doesnt have an issue with peaceful aliens.What the fuck are you smoking? The Imperium has a policy of total extermination for every alien it meets, the sole exceptions being the that one species the Emperor okayed ten thousand years ago.You really don't know even one iota of lore. The Imperium you love is pure headcanon.
>>72881141How about you learn to cope with the truth?
>>72881188>>72881419see>>72881406Also, the Imperium gave birth to the Chaos Legions and caused the Cicatrix Maleficum, so again, worse than Eldar.
>>72881408if you land one one of their maiden worlds they will kill youThey will kill a planet seemingly at random to save one eldarThis is basic lore you faggot.
>>72881419Craftworld Eldar anon, the orderly sepratists who are clearly distinct from the Dark Eldar. Don't move goalposts.
>>72881328Swearing's fun. Swearing about stuff like kikes, niggers and whatever is doubly fun. Fight me, nigger faggot autist down syndrome chingchong lol. Fuck, i wish i knew more slurs.>>72881170There is nothing as pathetic and cowardly as still fighting someone who have clearly just left the thread. I didnt even read what the fuck you two or three or four or whatever were on about, but you are the only one who used a picture with laughing man to further your "victory" without even making a reply to someone. You piece of shit are a literal representation of castrated "i wont fight you face to face, but chuckle on the side" kind of womanised wanna-be man i absolutely despise.Dont forget to detect an alt-right or whatever poster you fought here in me.
>>72881419>Like when they summoned slaanesh?That's not the Craftworld Eldar and wasn't intentional.>Dark Elder's dystopian hell city?That's not the Craftworld Eldar.>The fact they are deliberately dying out?That's not them intentionally fucking over their own people, that's them being fucked.Are you legitimately retarded?
>>72881463That applies to CWE? are you huffing shit?>>72881453Eldar created the eye of terror, slaanesh, and deldar.
>>72881467You realize you sound profoundly stupid, right?
>>72881437And all those humans who tolerate aliens like the Jokaero are heretics and enemies of the Imperium. Inquisitors have the power to ignore the law, but other Inquisitors are just as likely to persecute them for doing so.This is standard Imperial dogma, lorelet. Read literally any lore.
It really is just a discord of leftards ranting about the IoM holy shit lol.they do not even know about the Eldar lmao.
>>72881352>IoM doesnt have an issue with peaceful aliens"Abhor the alien."
>>72881467>uses alt-right rhetoric>doesn't want to be called alt-rightOk buddy
>>72881514Doesnt mean because one idiot doesnt know the Elder lore that you are any less retarded for thinking 40k is a serious setting.
>>72881512Retard the IoM has regularly allied with aliens. Like the Eldar and employed them.
>>72881493Explain how the CE summoned Slaanesh? Are you truly such a lorelet that you think the CE, not the DE are representative of pre-Fall Eldar?
It really is just a discord of rightards ranting about xenos and Chaos, holy shit lol.they do not even know about the Imperium lmao.
>>72881493CWE are literally the Eldar that hated the Eldar Empire and refused to participate in it, leaving before it spawned Slaanesh. You don't know shit.
>>72881525yes hostile aliens. They have a classification system. They dont give a shit about peaceful aliens.
>>72881452I disagree with you on the level it makes me laugh instead of actually being angry dude. Ive checked every single of what you mentioned back in time (except expanse series after seeing miscast, i dont like that sort of stuff really) and they dont really seem serious to me. If you think so and ENJOY them - more power to you, dude.>>72881423>All I can say about the cynical outlook is that the state of the world doesn't look like something brought about by rational agents with self-control.Yes, and i irrationally still believe in self-control and kindness and its upcoming triumph. Hope i fucking die before i see my ideals ruined lol.
>>72881538Doesn't disprove the Imperium's standing policy of no-tolerance xenocide.Again, you have no idea what the lore actually is.
>>72881547>>72881565>moving the goalpostsThis is so hilariously pathetic. Yes all Eldar are responsible. CWE just got away.
>>72881567Even if that belief is false it might have adaptive value. Embrace the absurdity of it all.
ITT: /pol/fags claiming the Imperium isn't rabidly, redardedly xenocidal and calling anyone who disagrees with them a secondaryIt's hard to imagine the level of delusion it takes to be a /pol/tard.
>>72881596>CWE just got awayBefore Slaanesh was spawned, correct. They did not have a hand in its creation.Thanks for conceding the point.
>>72881530>alt-right rhetoricThere you go wrong, pal. Your definition of alt-right? Maybe.>>72881503Based on what? Your post is "you're stupid" in more colorful language. Who's stupid after that?
>>72881566No. The Imperial Creed demands that all aliens are abhorred and wiped out. When Tau were discovered as harness stone age hunter-gatherers, they were scheduled to be wiped out, and were only saved due to a Warp Storm. The default policy toward all aliens is to kill them, exceptions only arise for alliances of utter necessity, and these alliances are invariably short and often end with the Imperium wiping out their 'allies' anyway.How can you possibly purport to love this setting so much yet know so little about it?
>>72881596You're the only one moving goalposts anon. You talked about CWE, then shifted elsewhere when you were corrected. And now you're just making shit up. Truly, you are the height of stupidity.
>>72881646>your definition of alt-right?>your definitionSounds pretty post-modern of you to insist that definitions are fluid and open to interpretation.
>>72881650Watch, he's gonna call you a "tau player" now, as if it were some kind of deadly eloquent insult instead of just a monkey throwing meme-tier lorelet shit
>a guy is actually trying to argue that the Imperium has no issue with peaceful aliens
>>72881680Get with the times grandpa, 4th generation warfare is the name of the game these days. The second you know what you're fighting for you've lost.
>>72881646>Based on what? Your post is "you're stupid" in more colorful language. Who's stupid after that?You. The subhuman level intelligence who admitted previously he swore because it's funny, completely out of fucking context. You sound incredibly stupid.
>>72881617Na, i think its not false and i dont care about evolution, adaptation and whatever. If you cannot live up to your ideals and ideas and express them into the world then you better end yourself before living turns into existence. But maybe i just dont value my life or dont think people care about my presence in their life.>Embrace the absurdity of it all.Cant anymore. Used to. But it really leaves you hollow. Cant be like it.
>>72881706It's lorelet /pol/lacks trying to rationalize and distract from the real reasons they unironically like the Imperium, nothing else.
>>72881789I gotta say, I think this might just be brainlet syndrome. Usually when /pol/acks do their little dance, they try to pretend that genocide is righteous. This guy seems to legitimately just not know the setting at all.
lol /pol/fags get rektimagine unironically thinking the Imperium is good or necessary, or that Warhammer is serious
>>72881762Well I genuinely hope your view is the correct one, antropocentrism triggers less cognitive dissonance by far. I'll practice deadening despair all the same just in case we do turn out to be meat machines. Have a glance at Scott Bakker's crash space story too. It's bleak but I think the vertigo of having total control over cour personality is valid even if free will is a thing.
>>72881819Genocide of Imperialists is righteous tho.
>>72881819I mean, you're right that he doesn't know the setting at all, but that seems like further proof of his /pol/ack status.Plus all the buzzwords and patterns of speech he uses.
>>72881680Okay, which part of being alt-right am i fitting? Using slurs? I am jew, i use kike as often as i can because its FUN. My bud is fucking spic and he uses slurs as often as he can because its FUN. Let it slide down your throat - using slurs and enjoying it is fun and doesnt make you alt-whatever.>>72881623>itt i am calling everyone disagreeing with me /pol/tardsPathetic.>>72881750>not doing things for FUNTip your fedora, buddy. I disagreed with a statement - i wrote a post about it. Have problems with that? Too bad. Doesnt make me stupid. Does make you stupid. Fight me.>>72881706Wow, you sure got him, champ! Now use more meme arrows and pictures and he is fucking dead!
>>72881819>>72881883aaaand there it is>>72881852
>>72881852Genocide the Imperium, you say? Now we're cooking with promethium!
>>72881923>>72881852Nids are the true Posadist option. Redistribute all the biomass!
>>72881851I dont really hold an antropocentrist views.>I'll practice deadening despair all the same just in case we do turn out to be meat machines.We are, but mind over matter, except if you let the meat machine take control or decieve (from my POV) yourself that it have most control. But to me its always your own decision, which doesnt lessen the power of said meat machine when you let it loose or direct it. Thanks for the advice and an author, gotta go do some stuff now, pleasant talk, have a good one and stay healthy along with your family. Do not despair.
>>72881887>because its FUNThen don't be upset when you get called an alt-righter on an anonymous forum for using all the signifiers, bud.That's the whole point of being anonymous. If you want to masquerade as something you're not, either don't get upset when other people presume your true intentions, or go whole hog and commit to the bit. Whining about it just makes you seem like a particularly dumb child.>fight me>"pssshh...nothing personell...kid"Be more tryhard, if you can.
>>72881887>Tip your fedora, buddyYou have a meme-based intelligence. This means absolutely nothing in this context. Once again, you just sound incredibly childish and stupid.
>>72882001Not really upset. Its just wrong, thats it.>Be more tryhard, if you can.>taking "fight me" as something unironicSpeaking of tryhards lol.And you didnt bring up what makes me alt-right. I did not express my political views yet, used slurs and actually said i do it for fun. Whos the one taking everything to the most serious extend? You! Whos the one looking incredibly silly and childish because of it? You, my lovely peach cheeks! You!
>>72881996The idea that the mind stands taller than the rest of the universe seems pretty optimistically anthropocentric to me. We're just chemical reactions more complex than most, it only appears to be a magical spark of selfhood because the act of looking compels us to see the trick from the audience's point of view. I agree though, despair is as futile as anything else and no matter the cosmology we can always take comfort in solidarity. Have a good one mate.
>>72882183>not really upset>"I'm not mad, you're mad!"Keep going slugger, you'll convince someone eventually
>>72882068>meme-based intelligenceCare to elaborate? Or is it - oh my! - another colorful language covering the lack of actual coherent meaning? I think being overly serious is autistic and could only come from someone anti-social, hence the fedora reference. Ironically, i wear fedora on a daily basis lol. Shit's classy.>Once again, you just sound incredibly childish and stupidDoing things for a childish and stupid laugh yet enjoying it fully is childish and stupid? Doing someone to achieve a certain goal - and enjoyable one - and achieving it is childish and stupid? Or it is because you were childed and laughed at?Well i expressed my anger at the post above aswell. Make what you wish out of it.
>>72882285Thanks for admitting you're mad
>>72882241So its me being upset and you are making a post about me convincing myself that i am not upset, correct? If i am upset, why would you make a post about it? Clearly, not to upset someone who isnt upset lol.
>>72882328Kk bud. Thats a very reasonable statement i surely can argue with. Not a "fuck you", so you pretty much won. Congrats, i bow to your superiority.
>>72882346>you are mad mad mad mad! here's another post about it!And yet again i admit my defeat. Last word is yours. Spare my life, almighty.
>>72881467>Swearing's fun. Swearing about stuff like kikes, niggers and whatever is doubly fun. Fight me, nigger faggot autist down syndrome chingchong lol. Fuck, i wish i knew more slurs.
>>72882602>Last word is yoursI already said it is, maytey, why do you keep posting? I am on my knees, leave me some fucking pride! Your victory is confirmed! I yeild! I surrender!
>>72882665Greentexting and applying a picture instead of typing an actual message is fun and informative. I am bad at reading analogies tho, so you either decipher what you wanted to say or, well, dont post at all? If you wanted to express your disdain for me, then you can swear on me without trying to look smarter but actually only looking cowardly.
>>72882741>Greentexting and applying a picture instead of typing an actual message is fun and informative. I am bad at reading analogies tho, so you either decipher what you wanted to say or, well, dont post at all? If you wanted to express your disdain for me, then you can swear on me without trying to look smarter but actually only looking cowardly.
>>72882848Dam you beaten me with that one!