What will future doctors think about modern medicine, let's say 150 years down the line, if technological progress keeps going at the same pace it had until now?What futuristic tools will they have, "realistically"?
I like to imagine our modern cancer treatments would be considered primitive in the future.
>>73990291Three things occur.1: better diagnostic tools. Imaging systems that make it possible to look into a patient's body. Foreign bodies, parasites, cysts, micro-cancers... all detectable in the GP's office.2: better surgical tools. custom fabricated devices that allow an entire operation to be performed while barely breaking the skin of a patient. Tools that are generated inside the body of a patient and break down automatically after the operation is complete.3, and this is the big one: better human bodies. You think the anti-vaxers are terrified now? Wait until genetically engineered micro-cultures and implanted immune systems start getting added to people. Imagine the rich-poor divide when the rich can live forever with bulletproof skin and the ability to regenerate from any injury. You could keep humanity at baseline. It's what we're doing in real life. We've collectively said FUCK THAT to human genetic engineering. But that doesn't mean that similar techniques in the future won't be more palatable to future generations.
AI may have taken over most forms of diagnosis. The choice of medication and dosage today is largely "trial and terror". This will hopefully have been refined considerably, using age, gender, a full DNA scan, and various other measurements to get a highly refined starting point.Anything resembling routine surgery is done by robots. Advanced such may or may not have been handed over to AI. If not the combination of keyhole surgery tools and all the robotics in place for the common stuff means a lot of the advanced stuff will be done remotely.Possibly greatly miniaturized tools for finer work when we no longer need to work with human hands?Much more DNA therapy. More probiotic treatments.Bacteriophages is one of those things that have been "around the corner" for quite a while now. Maybe it'll never work out, but it's certainly possible as a SciFi technology. Works well thematically with the custom tailoring of medication, since it seems good effects rely on precise matching of a cocktail of different viruses to kill any specific strain of bacteria.Possibly artificial antibody production or other such "designer molecules on demand"?In the case of widespread use of AI and robotics humans may be kept around simply because human interaction is good for out health.And all said and done doctors wills till be trying to get their patients to stop smoking, eat less and exercise more. How successful they are in this will likely also matter more than all the other stuff.
>>73990291Nothing has changed.
The best question to ask is, what kind of antifungal vaccine is available?>>73990409>They just, what irradiated the entire body?>Yes, our ancestors were limited by their knowledge and thus made barbaric by it, but do not exaggerate their failings. The radiotherapy treatments focused gamma rays on confirmed defective cells and destroyed them. And in the process destroying other cells.>But it changed with Just-In-Time imaging and creation of aggregated rays.>True, the former allowed for greater resolution, and the latter for greater accuracy.>And we learn of ancient techniques because?>The same reason why we learn about bodily landmarks in surgery. Redundancy and experience.
>>73990477That's a bold claim. Comparing ancient times where you had to slice a body all the way open to get to the damaged areas, to modern techniques where you can make a tiny incision and do surgery through robotic tools traversing veins. Compare herbs of the past to modern medicine. Compare RNA cellular modification for disease resistance to even the hugely modern vaccinations that only arose in 1796, a scant two hundred and twenty four years ago. Why do you think "nothing has changed"?
>>73990667Sorry I'm running off 24 hours of no sleep, I meant that in the future, medicine will not change at all and will likely become worse.
>>73990887Any grounds for that reasoning? There's already literally due to this pandemic development of RNA based vaccines, which has significant differences over current biological-based vaccines.
>>73990291There are far more diseases, everyone is sick, none are curable but all have a cure. Going without the cure yields terrible symptoms and withdrawal pains from the drugs you were given to cure your infant diseasesThere are only (((diseases))) left, in case I need to spell that out for some retards
>>73990950Anon is probably a non-american who bought into the whole we have no insurance and hospital give you life debt for curing common cold retardation
>>73990291Regenerative medicine is going to be huge. I imagine there would be something like full-body 3D printers that could print tissue based on a patient's own DNA so that it will be recognized by the body. Being able to regrow body parts is one of the Holy Grails of medicine and has been for thousands of years, with vast amounts of funding and effort expended on it. We might see real results on it soon, sooner than 150 years, maybe even sooner than 50 years.
>>73990291https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i3gp_aN1csThis is the second thread where I post a youtube that is directly relevant to the thread topic, so much that it seems created to justify posting it, but no one has. Is this a Baader-meinhoff variant I wonder
>>73990449>Imagine the rich-poor divide when the rich can live forever with bulletproof skin and the ability to regenerate from any injuryGood lord the future is terrifying. Its crazy how some things seem to improve over time and other things either never improve or only get worse
I would imagine they'd look at the current response to trannies like we do at lobotomies.
>>73992095Thats the beauty of unchecked technological progress in story making, a GM of mine compared it to the nuclear energy being turned to nuclear weapons, add an element that was made for a benign reason and turn it into belic reason>scientists develop a machine that revolutionized how we fight cancer with a machine that creates protein based nanomachines to directly target cancerous cells>3 years later the same technology is used to manufacture highly specialized bioweapons designed to target a specific DNA sequence
>>73992395Uhhh nuclear weapons came first anon.
>>73992428meh same difference
>>73992479Not really its quite a distinct difference. Nuclear weapons were something deliberately intended for destruction that somebody in the production process realised could also be used for a more benign purpose.It was a happy accident.
>>73992505>I have become life, the energy of worlds.
>>73992518And Chernobyl might have inexplicably provided a solution to radiation in interstellar travel.Crazy radiation eating mould thats grown in one of the reactors. Basically a lot of useful shit involving radiation and nuclear tech has been an accident, pure happenstance or a case of someone noticing you could probably do something useful if you did something that wasn't originally intended.
>>73992547>scifi setting where ships have a layer of moss grown around the shipFuck yes.
>>73992570Well it would have to be a layer in the ships hull.I think it was found that you need something like a 21 cm layer to negate cosmic radiation?
>>73992599That's an awesome foundation before having to resort to handwavium super moss. You got 2-3 stories based on that concept alone before fleshing out an entire world.
>>73992547>>73992570>>73992599who knew the ships of the future would look so rustic
>>73992640Would it be too silly to have them called Cherry's?
>>73992625https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungusAnon this shit is very very real. No handwavium here. >>73992640Due to the dangers presented by the mould you'd likely have to have it in a heavily sealed layer in the hull. Don't want it growing out of control after allSo you'd likely never know its there.
>>73992678>Don't want it growing out of control after allah but you see that's exactly what i want, the ayys will fear the moss fleet
>>73992678I'm talking handwavium involving needing a thinner layer of moss for some random spaceship design/function requirement that may come up.
>>73992697Exposure to lots of fungal spores rarely ends well for humans since our lungs are a great place for fungus to grow.Plus you can't grow it on the external layer of the hull.>>73992710Is 20 or so centimetres really that much?
>>73992723>Is 20 or so centimetres really that much?I know that spaceship design can be really demanding on size and makeup. For all I know, the necessity of the sealed space for it to grow could cause serious problems for breaking atmosphere or otherwise cause a large spike in ship making cost.. I just like to play safe than sorry when dealing with things I only have passing knowledge of.
>>73992754>>73992723>>73992710Honestly, if the estimates are true, the cost of including the 20cm gap would be vastly exceeded by the cost of getting other radiation measures into orbit. One of the good things about moss is, it grows. You can launch it with a sample and grow the moss enroute, thus saving launch mass. Additionally, the moss itself appears to not be radioactive after, so that's a secondary benefit - you don't have to replace the moss as much as you would other hull materials. I'm amazed that only 21 cm is needed, to be honest. Moss isn't dense and I'd have thought gamma radiation would go right through that without stopping.
Personally, I'm fond of ripping off Blindsight and making them see our treatment of multiple personalities disorder (trying to cure it, calling it a disorder, etc) equivalent to how our ancestors viewed and treated homosexuality.
>>73993775>our ancestorsDon't be such a zoomer, ffs
>>73993775Yeah, but that book had to make a fictional human subspecies with strange restrictions to justify it.
>>73990291It won't be viewed as harshly as we view pre-scientific method techniquesAs imperfect as our treatments are, they are grounded in what we can figure out at this time. The same can't be said for medieval medicine
>>73990291Someone's never seen Star Trek IV
>>73991265>Nothing has changed.>in the future, medicine will not change at all and will likely become worse.What does this have to do with America specifically? The fact that you assume both of these are about America specifically means that you're the one thinking America sucks in regards to healthcare.
>>73990449>we collectively said FUCK THATThe Chinese didn't lmao. In 150 years they'll have already implemented their genetic improvement programs for several generations. Imagine a 4 billion strong CCP where the average human is 5% smarter/stronger, more resilient to disease, and has no congenital issues.
>>73994368Imagine what'll happen when the new generation of superchinks decides THEY want to be in charge rather than the CCP.
>>73990291Finally, being an EMT has perks
>>73994392>massive man power AND competent at that.on an unrelated note what's the best way to learn chinese?
>>73993507The thing is that the moss eats it.The moss performs radiosynthesis. Converting gamma radiation into energy for growth. You could probably genetically engineer a version that provides a nutritional supplement or some other useful function once grown.
>>73994368The CCP won't allow it.They'll instead pursue a caste system that implements it. So basically it'll be reserved for party loyalists.
>>73990497I'd imagine kemotherapy would have stronger reaction.Or x-ray imaging.
>>73994656Reminder that x-ray imaging was used in shoe fitting once upon a time.
>>73994392>>73994627>amerimutts still think the average chink doesn't fucking love china numba wanYou retards need to realize these guys went from dirt farming to state subsidized tendies fast enough that their parents tell them about it from personal experience, right? The urban chinese fucking love the CCP, and the rural chinese pine for the days of mao pre dengism.The country has a ton of national unity that the west, especially america, is lacking and that holds together despite internal strife better than extreme individualism ever will.
>>73990291It's hard to know what we don't know, but I'd say our abuses of antibiotics and general ignorance about how gut flora impacts overall health might be looked back on with derision
>>73991265America's insurance situation has nothing to do with this conversation. It sounds like you're just looking to be a victim.
>>73994930building up some social credits, are you?
>>73994930Yeah but you're forgetting how the CCP itself sees the population.They won't allow something like this to spread to potential dissidents. They won't want a situation where the population is a potential threat.
>>73994620In order for the moss to eat it, the moss has to actually interact with the gamma radiation it first. If the moss isn't dense enough it'd just go right through. That's what I'm amazed at.
>>73995088Not that guy, but you're an idiot if you think mindless nationalism is praise. >>73995165If the army and police is buffed the same as everyone else, it won't make a difference internally, and they can point to other countries and say "democracy has failed, look at us and compare it to their weak shit".It's be pretty good propaganda. Not to mention how far ahead their draconic surveillance programs go.
>>73995165I wouldn't be so declarative about exactly what they will do, but I think that you're probably right in this first being implemented with loyalist families just due to initial implementation cost.Either way it is gonna be a fucking astronomical amount of people compared to any remaining competition at that point. In one generation they would have the West's entire "elite educated" alumni replicated just from this program. That's a massive advantage, especially considering the only real advantage the west has over CCP at this point is intellectual capital and military might.
>>73995313>Either way it is gonna be a fucking astronomical amount of people compared to any remaining competition at that pointAssuming they don't fuck it up and destroy a whole generation of "elite educated" loyalists, both crippling those families, engendering hatred towards them and fanning the flames of dissent.Y'know, since ethics is definitely useful in preventing that sort of thing.
>>73995313'intellectual capital' in the west, especially america, is rapidly dying. We drank too much of our own koolaid, and in america our system is literally designed to make most people stupid and easily manipulated, and china is rapidly gaining. God I hate this timeline.>>73995533Oh please, you know damn well they'll use it on the lower class first and only once they have a solid grasp of it will they implement it among the elites.
>>73995592>they won't use it on anyone but the elites>they'll use it on the lower class firstMake up your mind already!
>>73995640I'm not the other guy who made the comment about the elites. No, they'll use it on everyone, they'll just give the loyal the +1 version.
>>73990291>They'd recognize Chemo as essentially poisoning the patient and see it as a primitive solution to the problem>They'd think pumping the mentally ill full of meds that often didn't work properly was cruel when they can perform surgeries that can reconnect abnormal neural pathways >Advances in remote Telemedicine will mean that almost nobody actually goes into a hospital to stay fulltime anymore and that most diagnostic check ups will be done from the comfort of your own home via drones.>They'll probably be dealing with Superbugs created by the overuse of anti-biotics and would probably consider us extremely foolish for being so careless with anti-biotics. They'd consider the overuse of anti-biotics in cattle in particular as an example of hubris and oversight. >Artificial limbs will be far better and more widely available so people who are born crippled or who got into an accident will be able to live normal lives regardless. Artificial organs make it so that organ donation becomes much less common.
>>73990497Chemo doesn't irradiate the whole body, there's different kinds. Radiation therapy is targeted to a specific region via an implant beneath the skin while Chemodrugs are essentially poison and are used to kill off abnormal cell clumps while also causing damage to the vessels surrounding it. I'd imagine they'd use some kind of virus that specifically targets cancer cells instead: That's been on the radar for cancer researches for a while.
>>73995830Shit I vaguely remember this. Something to reread now
>>73995785>Doctor's already hate the idea of chemo. Thats why there are so many working on radical treatments, its just we are only now reaching the point where these ideas have started working. it takes time.>lobotomies back in style, but seriously, it may work its just beyond us>We are getting there. We already have phones that can do xrays using the right attachements, we are close.>agreed 100%, but for a long time we just didnt have another way of keeping a person alive.>We are just a couple years out from seeing the first mass market arm prosthetic that replicates actual tensile strength and tactile sensation. legs are slightly less important. Artificial organs are close too. we can already grow things like bladders and stomachs. the next big step is going to be kidneys. also, mechanical artificial hearts are a strong contender because we now have one that is a simple turbine that doesnt damage blood cells. you dont have a pulse anymore, but the wear time on those is closer to 30 years than the current 5 year max.Medicine is about to enter a new golden age that we havent experienced since penicillin. we have doctors performing surgeries from a thousand miles away, ways to mask genetic defects at before birth, and far far more. Would love to be around 50 years from now and see what happens.
>>73990291>let's say 150 years down the linGenetics is going gangbusters. Custom-made organism purpose built with only feint traces of their original species or an obvious combination of a dozen or more creatures. As intelligent as they need to be, with a pre-disposed personality made to order. The cows will graze themselves and keep off the roads, gorge at the feedlot when they're old enough, and then walk themselves up to the slaughterhouse. North Koreans will likely behave in a similar fashion. The ruling class will likely have their life extended. We'll figure out how to keep telemers from snapping themselves off like they do in Lobsters. We'll co-opt the immune system of whales to deal with cancer. They'll have as much muscle and body fat as they want without having to do anything. Their metabolism will let whatever excess pass through without absorbing it. So we'll have gluttons that are in peak physical shape. And they'll shit out completely undigested food slurry. Gene therapy will let this advances affect those alive instead of just the super-babies born with it. Although purpose made super-babies will dominate industries. From physical labor, space exploration/colonization, to academics. On the downside, we'll have custom-made plagues. Like let's say a nation is facing dire consequences of their aging populous getting all up in arms wanting to live forever with modern medicine, but being too old and frail to contribute anything. They can make a plague that leaves kids alone but kills off the elderly. Of course, the elderly are the ones in charge of most countries. Imagine just what a horror show that would be.
>>73996062you never know, we might hit longevity escape velocity in our lifetimes.
>>73996089>we might hit longevity escape velocity in our lifetimes.This is not a good thing for the common man. We literally live in a society where the 'number one problem' is that there are way too many people. Anything that allows the economic elite to evade death will make things many times worse.
>>73996062Well, cuba did make a successful vaccine of all fucking things for lung cancer, so things are moving forwards in surprising ways.
>>73996189Oh yeah, I'm just gambling I'll squeak into the side that starts living longer. I mean, people envision a future where crowded peasants serve their ubermensch overlords but I think that's just a short term issue. Once there's a genuine divide on the genetic level between the rich and poor and specialist autists who nut while doing their job any baselines not on a reservation will be put out to pasture. I wouldn't be surprised if mandatory mass sterilization got rolled out and a bunch of poor people jobs got replaced by robots.
>>73996189All we can do is hope for mechanical augmentationThat makes space travel a lot easier
>>73995592I'd argue that there is more intellectualism occurring in the west than anywhere else. We just also have a culture build around the stupid being allowed to voice their opinions very loudly, and then getting elected to political office and having a say. The really smart people are too busy working on their shit. There is simply too many people not to have intellectual growth. The difference is that until 50 years ago, advancements as big as we make on a daily basis were logarithmic in scale. Pasteurization, penicillin, the metal cartridge, the microprocessor, etc. These were foundational advancements that, compared to today's tech, are very simple to accomplish. But because we have that foundation, we get to enjoy working from that foundation, making everything easier. And everything builds on itself too, making those advancements seem easier each time.In places like china, sure, you have a huge government process that is throwing billions of dollars a day at problems. eventually something is going to get done, ala monkeys on typewriters. Here in the west though, we have the freedom that some smart dude with too much time on is hands is going to beat a multi billion dollar government contract to the punch working out of his garage.
>>73992124thread has gone on this long and only one person is bitching about trannies.based thread
>>73996189>We literally live in a society where the 'number one problem' is that there are way too many people.That's not the problem. The problem is that there is insufficient labour and efficiency of labour to look after everyone's needs. Even if there were less people, we'd still have that problem.
>>73996216The CimaVax-EGF (the vaccine you're talking about) only treats non-small-cell lung carcinoma's, which are the more survivable ones and it's not a cure so much as it helps with treatment and improves survivability. The issue with cancer vaccines is that cancer has many MANY different types and it would take many decades, possibly centuries, to developed vaccines for all of them.
>>73996255>He thinks the ruling class are stupid>Not realising their goal as a group is power not anything else
>>73992395that's literally the plot of metal gear
>>73996375>In every department of every bureaucracy, the people who serve to propagate and maintain the department will out-compete the people who serve the purpose of the department.>Every second not spent earning is another second spent by someone else.
>>73996255the top percent being smarter than the rest, when the rest are stupid by design, is not intellectualism.
>>73996255My prediction: The very rich hijack Western Nationalist movements the second they get their immortality enhancements and no longer have to pretend they care about the little man. They wage a genocidal war of everyone else in ecofascist fashion to secure more long term resources while satisfying the bloodlust of Nazi/Tankie wannabes.>>73996309>Even if there were less people, we'd still have that problem.There's the reason I quoted 'number one problem'. You know about the tragedy of the commons, correct? Where humanity will never really be in balance because everyone's gonna want just one more sheep for their own flock? Now scale that up. We're in a situation where we need to think about the long-term sustainability of Earth. And someone who's mortal will never really think about the far long term with the seriousness of an immortal. There's death to think about, and the possible ramifications of dying. But if medical immortality is reached, the only thing the elite/those that benefit have to deal with is assassination, accidents, and maybe disease. Without the moral, mortal peril of age and weakness, it becomes infinitely easier to treat people like tools or numbers expending resources instead of people. A lot of elites already see people like that, thanks to the perfect storm of nihilistic materialism (which treats humans like expendable animals for whom individual experience does not matter) and crony capitalism (which assumes no value to anyone other than for what they can do for you).
>>73996470>the curse of the neolib mindsetnational unity is nice, but america will never have it in what remains of her future.
>>73996480>You know about the tragedy of the commons, correct? Where humanity will never really be in balance because everyone's gonna want just one more sheep for their own flock?This is the painfully blatant result of the anglo mindset desu.Many societies flourished on their own with less greedy and self serving mindsets. Of course you always want a good life, but greed for the sake of greed was not the norm.Too bad that reckless obsessive greed also breeds strength in war and conquest.
>>73994930So you're telling me that China's dams will not fail, flood, and kill most of those rural chinese?
>>73996189>We literally live in a society where the 'number one problem' is that there are way too many peopleOnly in the sense that they burn carbon as part of lifestyle of consuming stuff. It's part of the economy. And on the whole we're terraforming the planet to be uninhabitable. Everything else though? Land, food, housing, water. We've got plenty. And if we need more, more people will got get it. > Anything that allows the economic elite to evade death will make things many times worse.It'll mean the old farts don't turn into philathropists in their winter years. It'll mean immortal space CEOs. But as for the wealth accumulation at the top... it's hard to see that getting any worse than it already is right now. >>73996228>mandatory mass sterilization Real hard to do in a democracy. I can imagine the rich immortals fleeing to their own perfect utopia under the sea or some shit. >and a bunch of poor people jobs got replaced by robots.Look around you dude. That's the USA circa 2000. Manufacturing productivity went up while manufacturing employment went down. Self-checkout, online stores, phone systems giving you basic info. Hell, even Email vs mail room clerks. We're there. >>73996237>mechanical augmentation That makes space travel a lot easiereeeeeh. I dunno if that would help at all. It's the problem with radiation and the requirement for calories. But mostly the need to get back. Return rocket fuel is FUCKTON expensive as it weighs tons. Our robotic workforce on mars gets to retire and die there.
>>73996480Nah nationalist movements are too often closely aligned with fascist dissident groups.Fascists won't go along with this.Rather they'll use leftwing/socialist/communist groups as they've proven themselves effective, easily manipulated and loyal puppets multiple times in the past.The groundwork has already been laid. At this point its down to a science for the ruling class.
>>73996539But that is mindset that has been >>73996495 created. That of the entrepreneur and the capitalist that made it big on his own power and sweat and blood, and is now entitled to a life of ease.No longer do we praise the woman who nurses the old and dying, no. We praise the man in the ivory tower and spit upon the-Where the fuck am I talking about? Is this just a mindset we can narrow down to parts of a country/ individual towns or is it more/less widespread than I think?
>>73996553Honestly I could see the CCP being quietly happy about that. Rural chinese have a tendency to hold true to the OG maoist spirit instead of the horrid dengist greedbortion. They're liable to be problematic if they ever get any power, unless the CCP decides going back to mao's vision is a good idea.
>>73996614Basically its a jewish mindset and has been propagated by the increasing power and wealth of der juden and those who benefited from their rise.Where a normal person would feel a tinge of guilt that festers into something more severe. The jew encourages people to adopt their mindset that absolves them of guilt at the expense of their basic humanity.
>>73996694They won't.Maoist dissident groups are pretty high up in the public enemy list. At least in the top five.I've known a few chinks involved with them over the years, last surviving one vanished during the kungflu outbreak
>>73996539>Many societies flourished on their own with less greedy and self serving mindsets. Of course you always want a good life, but greed for the sake of greed was not the norm.Yes.>Too bad that reckless obsessive greed also breeds strength in war and conquest.The problem demonstrates itself.>>73996556>it's hard to see that getting any worse than it already is right now.It can absolutely get worse, when the billionaire looks at a million people with ten dollars each and says, "I think I could use some spare change.">>73996559>Fascists won't go along with this.You think so? A platform where 'everyone gets what they deserve, kill the third-worlders and take their stuff to prove your superiority' doesn't appeal to fascists? I think it will, but it just has to be properly presented to each group they're going to try and recruit.The ONLY major problem for the amoral bigwigs is that it's still cheaper and more efficient to exploit third-worlders than it is to put down robot harvesters to replace them. Fully functional androids will be the death of us all, not because they hate us, but because they will lack things like hesitation, desire, and emotions. They will watch us get gunned down and keep picking grapes or mining ore.
>>73996703Cool. Cool. Now can you phrase that in a way that doesn't include Herr Jude so I can guilt people into joining my shifts maintaining the health of aggressive, dementia-addled people in a home where there are too few staff and the staff that are there spit upon and regard the agency staff me and my folks as lesser folk not worth updating on the changing states of the patients?
>>73996703>anglos take over the entire planet with their colonies>anglosphere was dominant for 100 years after the end of WW2>uhhhhhhh it was the jewsthe eternal anglo trying to lie and wriggle his way out of responsibility once again
>>73996738Honestly it hurts my soul. Rural chinese culture is generally so much better healthier than the urban cesspool. Sure there's issues, but it's not toxic and self devouring in its narcissism and hunger for money and power.
>>73990291>Genetically tailored medication - Quick DNA test before any prescription so we know exactly which agent will work best for you and what dose to prescribe>Artificially grown or printed organs - Heart getting a bit cholesterolly? Just whip it out and place a freshly grown one in it's place. If you've got the money then grow a bank of these organs in advance and never die.>Smaller, more frequently used bionics - Why stop at a new heart when you can have a new heart AND an implanted defibrillator>Integration of healthcare with personal electronics - Having a heart attack? Your smartwatch detected the change in your heartbeat and called an ambulance. Grandma's collapsed? The accelerometer in her watch has done the same. Google's watchful eye never stops keeping you safe.>Routine pre-conception genetic engineering - Nobody wants a child with harlequin ichthyosis, cystic fibrosis or brown eyes.>Post-conception genetic engineering - If you don't think your parents made the right choices tailoring your genome just snort a fancy virus and wait while it spreads through your body, splicing new code into your DNA as it goes. And if your citizens are getting too rowdy why not splice a bit more obedience into this year's cold?>Transcranial magnetic stimulation for mental illness - Repeated activation of neural pathways with targeted magnetic fields has shown significant promise in treating depression. There is also some evidence that it may be able to modulate empathy either up (for the treatment of certain personality disorders) or down (to aid soldier's decision-making under pressure).I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see any of these available within 150 years.
>>73996754yes, the problem is a tragedy. Surely you agree, anon.We'd be better off if, be it divine intervention or whatever else, those cultures had flourished and became dominant in the modern day without changing those positive parts of them.
>>73996790>Rural... culture is generally so much better healthier than the urban cesspool. Sure there's issues, but it's not toxic and self devouring in its narcissism and hunger for money and power.This does not stop with the Chinese. The main benefit of being a rural citizen is that you have to wait for the world to provide you with your investments instead of running after money. I feel it myself- the eternal lure of fast money.The perennial answer to the question "Why do you need so much money anyway?" made by the powerful is "If I don't make it, then someone else will." And they are sadly correct.
>>73996901What's so bad about someone else having money?
>>73996777You fail to realise. The anglos got where they were because of their sort of alliance with the jews.The anglo may have conquered half the world but it was the jew who paid for it and took most of the rewards.
>>73996318he said vaccine, not cure. vaccines don't cure, they teach your body how to protect itself.
>>73996754>It can absolutely get worse, when the billionaire looks at a million people with ten dollars each and says, "I think I could use some spare change."... Aren't we there? Bezos has how much money? And he's looking for ways to cut wages on the shipping floor.
>>73997307The wageslavery can still get worse, I assure you.
>>73997054In moderation, nothing. But once they have enough, they pretty much rise above the state in terms of power. Once they're sovereign, they historically abuse that power like a sadist goes to town on a whore's rump. We've been there before, ala the age of industrialists and robber barons. Bad times for everyone not directly tied to those in power. Some great libraries from when they were old and dying though.
>>73997380aye, imagine getting to go back to the days of company scrip
>>73996539>This is the painfully blatant result of the anglo mindset desu.haha, like the chinese aren't greedy assholes as well? My god man, have you not witnessed or heard any stories about China's "new rich"? They are compelled to "save face" by having the most of whatever the fuck they can grab. The tragedy of the commons plays out in every damn buffet they go to.
>>73997561You talking about AmazonCoin? The blockchain cyrptocurrency that can only be spent on Amazon products?
>>73997609I think shit like that is why people get into psychology. To understand how people like that arise.
>>73997655Any progress in that area?
>>73997561Right. Instead we're now paid in healthcare benefits. Plus some professors and such are paid in tuition.
>>73990449Theres a long haul to get to any of that shit anon, but I guess this is 150 years in the future after all.China will probably be the first as they technically have restrictions in place, but its more if anyone gets publicity for their actions or tries to spread that knowledge like He Jiankui did. So imagine the stuff you said but in country which is an ethical black hole.
>>73997761Right now we've social pressures as the main reason. I want to call it the only reason, but the nazis funding my research want to make sure that racial or genetic characteristics are completely ruled out before they expound on how chinese are inherently evil in the karmic sense. They're nice like that.
>>73997877No inheritable factors whatsoever? Btw how is Antarctic this time of the year?
>>73997997We're working through the purely physical stuff i.e. metabolism, growth, etc. but nothing substantive has popped up. The mental stuff. The growth, or lack of, the brain is going to be complicated. And chilling.Can't complain. We can run out fusion gennies at max output since its so cold out here. If I had more grounding in thermodynamics I'd be worried about melting ice.
>>73997761They're fucking greedy. That'll be $120,000 or 30 years of paying off student loans.
>>73997054Every dollar someone else has and controls is a dollar I don't have and can't control. Do you trust the rich man to be kind to you? Because every dollar he has is another he can spend on engineering your life to better serve him.
>>73997655>>73997609It's not hard to understand.The Chinese are a very extreme example but you see this behaviour at near all levels of Chinese society.Basically throughout its history China has been in a perpetual state of lowkey famine. It's not so much been a case of "In these years there was a famine" more a case of "In these years the famine was this bad"This has baked itself into Chinese cultural norms and likely instincts too. So whenever resources are available you take them. You take them all. Because if you don't then someone else will. As there was never enough food or other resources to go around if you tried to ensure everyone got a fair share of what was available then nobody would have enough.
>>73998417As long as you have enough of the right kinds of resources to live a comfortable life, you don't need to rely on the kindness of the rich.
Yeah, the medical community would probably look at anesthesia in dumbfounded horror. I mean general anesthesia is effectively shutting off the brain and turning it back on later.
>>73998693Also we don't actually understand the mechanism.
>>73998755Yeah, I personally prefer general though because fear of needles and whatnot, by not being conscious during a procedure I don't risk panicking and making things difficult for the doctor/surgeon/anesthesiologist.
>>73998537>So whenever resources are available you take them. You take them all.Chinese psychology: They're greedy. That'll be $600,000 in foreign affairs psychological assessment.
>>73998627>you don't need to rely on the kindness of the rich.The phrase 'sell refrigerators to Eskimos' exists not because the Eskimos needed refrigerators, but because the salesman needed to sell. No matter if you need the powerful or not, the powerful will come to you.
>>73995220>a random unintended fungus ends up fixing a lot of shit and being super usefulIs this just space penicillin?
I hate china and chinese people so goddamn much, holy fuck
>>73998858It's a bit more than that.It's a kind of rational greed. It's a greed that makes sense. >>73998835Not understanding the mechanism of anasthesia/painkillers is probably the biggest issue of modern medicine. Since we can't make better safer ones reliably since we don't know how they work. >>73998957More the soviet union using their entire allotment of luck on something that they'd not last long enough to benefit from.
>>73990291They will probably be as horrified of how we do plastic surgery (tit jobs, nose jobs, sex changes) as we are of trepanning and skull elongation.As far as technology, probably nano-bot injections.
>>73999375Why?Body changing surgery and skin as art have been around for millenia.
>>73999414Anon's point wasn't about body changing but the techniques for it
>>73990291>What will future doctors think about modern medicinectrl + f circumcision0 resultsEvery single one of you are full of shit.
>>73998627Me living a comfortable life depends on the rich not going out of their way to fuck me. A greedy man doesn't want to let people just go out in the country and live comfortably. Every person not contributing to or buying from their business is money "on the table" and they will go out of their way to scrape every dollar they can from every person they can reach.
>>73999446Even then, techniques are not nearly as invasive as they were even 20 years ago.South Korea, for example, is leading the way in outpatient cosmetic surgery.
>>73999414>Body changing surgeryAnd just like we look at body changing they used to do in the middle ages doctors from 150 years from now will look at how we did it. Shoving bags of jell under the skin, cutting of genitals and going doctor frankenstein on the wound are quite crude from a technical point of view to say the least.Besides you never know how opinions might change in 150 years. Or perhaps you have a hole in your head to alleviate the chronic headaches from the skull elongation procedure? >>73999446This guy gets it
>>73999503It affects a single digit percentage of the world population, why does it matter?At worst, it will be considered an eccentric cosmetic procedure.
>>73999503>Asshurt cutfag mad that not everyone is constantly crying over their cocks 24/7Everybody understands that circumcision is morally reprehensible and the christcucks responsible for it should be hung from trees but there are infinitely more interesting medical blunders to talk about than "oh man can you believe that for like a century we used to slice kids' dicks and nobody knew why?"
>>73996754As a /pol/tard I can comfortably say I wouldn't get along with a plan for the upper class to rule. Considering this current mess we are in is do to their greed, they will get be the first against the wall.
>>73996754Nah see fascists would demand the genetic uplifts be shared among the population. And modern fascists are so distrustful of anyone with power that the instant they catch even a whiff of deceit they'll turn.Plus your understanding of fascist thought is pathetic at best. Theres a reason that communism is embraced by capitalist societies as just another thing to market to. While fascism gets you sent to the gulag. Fascists are simply too hard to subvert.
>>73999678>Facism is simply too hard to subvert.Also as a /pol/tard I laugh at your ignorance.
/pol/, please go back to your own board.
>>73999707Oh please were it as easy as the commies then you'd have people running around in Hitler t-shirts and swastika buttons. Instead it took subverting a collection of thai sand raking forums to get them contained. Not even subverted but contained.
>>73999809You toot your own horn far too much, simply look at the endless cycle of milquetoast eclebs that "Facists" latch onto, and you will see all it takes is a nice face and the right words and the Facist will gladly dance to his tune.
>>73999546>And they'll be even less so, or something other will have replaced intervention/surgery altogetherAnon wasn't retarded
>>73999728>Boo I'm the pol boogymen that lives in your head for free
>>73999864Partially proves my point.That's the best they've been able to do.Meanwhile communism merchandise rakes in millions annually and the leftists in general are the ever faithful footsoldiers of global capitalism.
>>73990291>What futuristic tools will they have, "realistically"?Cybernetics, proteus retroviruse, nanomachines, bush bots, gene-editited bacterias, bionic organs, bush bots, nanosymbionts and other things. I imagine that being healthy in the mid 22th century will be quite different compared to what we see as healthy today, especially if we hop on the transhuman train. Even modern medicine tries to not just cure people but to give them more life quality, in the future we all would qualify as sick because none of us were genetically engineered, got nanomachines in their blood/integrated into their cells or got cybernetics. None of us got a retroviral bath in a exowomb to make us young and immortal. Future medicine will be quite wild.
>>73992095The biggest issue with human augmentation is the growing gap between the rich and poor. Coupled with automatization your common baseline will not be able to compete with augmented rich or get access to the necessary enhancements. That's why I see a cardinal importance of establishing a Universal Health Care System that does not just seeks to treat people but to enable and enhance them. A society will benefit immensely if its children will all be born healthy, fit and smart and if it let's no potential go wasted by enabling anyone to have access to good cybernetic and nanotechnological treatments. In developed nations this might work out, but then the already existing gap between rich and poor countries will grow even larger. In 100 years a common european or japanese will differ fundamentally from anyone that grow up in a third world.Just like the computer, cars or penicillin at first the rich will be the users, but the rules of demand/supply will enable anyone to get augmentations.>I would not benefit from this in any fashion. Oh you would, especially in regards to medical treatments. Most diseases, even aging will become treatable. The costs for augmentations will not stay high, especially biological ones will see a fast decline in prize thanks to CRISPR. The first Ford of human augmentation will become a trillionaire, augmentations won`t stay a product for the rich - it will become avaible to the masses a decade or two after hitting the market, sooner than what happened to the car and computers. In 2060 you might afford yourself nanosymbiont treatment, that keeps you healthy, rejuvinates you a bit, enhances your physique and gives you a better focus.
>>73999678>And modern fascists are so distrustful of anyone with power that the instant they catch even a whiff of deceit they'll turn.Modern fascists are only distrustful of people in power because they aren't said powerful people, if they were the ones with the authority, they'd use it for their own benefit and screw everyone else.
>>73992124In the future we might develop retroviral engineering that could change the chromosomes and biology. So trannies will not exist because actual sex change will be possible. But then we will also see far weirder morphological forms.
>>73995640They'll use the plebeians as disposable lab rats, then copy what works for the children of the elite. Unless the genetically augmented exparimental subjects rebel, in which case we get Warring States Period Two, Khan Noonien Singh Edition.
>>73994368If the West doesn`t get it going in the transhumanist department, we will see a world ruled by genetically engineered super-chinese.https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.3421
>>73990291>What will future doctors think about modern medicineThey'll probably be horrified at the way we told young boys to down hormones and split their dick in half in order to become a grotesque mockery of feminity and then told them this was the healthiest way for them to live.
>>74000617Why would anyone sell augmentation when their own augmentation gave them an advantage over the non-augmented?
>>73990291Preventative care will be taken much more seriously; many common health problems will be prevented from needing corrective or curative treatment in the first place, even going so far as using corrective gene therapy. Diseases that are common now will be eradicated by advanced vaccines and containment procedures, as has been the case.Emergency medical care will be handled mostly by machines, like the MedPod caesarean scene in Prometheus. Cloning technology will make replacement organs readily available and advanced artificial organs will be used while they are grown.
>>74001859>containment proceduresgood luck getting the burgers in on that
>>74001823Because Augements will not be a united nor homogenous type of people? Because you can make money out of selling augmentations to those willing to pay? Because augmentations differ a lot from each other?
>>74000851Just fucking say furries we all know what you are referring too.
>>74002027I'm a burger myself; I'm confident that once COVID is inevitably contained by one means or another, and the presidential election is over one party or another, people and governments will take the next pandemic more seriously if for no other reason than the harm it has done to the capital-T, capital-E The Economy.
>>74002190No, I actually wasn`t. Sure shit like that will exist as well, but far more interesting and successful will be voluntary adaptations to extreme enviroments or needs.
>>74002219Hopefully you're right, I just don't see how you can look at the absolute fuckup of the current response is and go "yeah we've got the next one in the bag"
>>74002219Wishful thinking. Half the country is convinced the economic damage only happened because we attempted containment procedures.
>>73999678>communism is embraced by capitalist societiesA manufactured fascimile is embraced, because it is useful to control those vaguely conscious of class issues but too stupid to read a book or think harder than a couple tweets.The only reason fascism isn't being used for more than manufactured dissent right now is because it's inherently tied to extreme nationalism, which is no beuno for profits in a global economy. Why pay your good hardworking [nationality] when you can let him starve and pay a brown person pennies to do the job.
>>74002219America is too far wrong. The CIA made a mistake with how deep they psyop'd the whole fucking country in the cold war. If america survives, it'll be an entirely new country.
>>74002297>"yeah we've got the next one in the bag"I don't think that at all. We will have to move mountains to educate people on how to react to a pandemic and convince governments to spend the money for proper pandemic handling; both will need to work together to pass intelligent pandemic response policies. I'm optimistic that the American political machine, dysfunctional as it is, will do that eventually. If we can't move mountains, we blast tunnels through them anyway.>>74002337>economic damage only happened because we attempted containment proceduresThey are already eating crow or are preparing to as TX, AZ and FL are eaten alive despite their lax responses. Politicians who did not take this pandemic seriously will be voted out for no other reason than the ensuing economic damage and their successful successors will be made to learn from that example.The reality is that most of the people having this sort of reaction take their cues from the highest political leadership with which they can identify; if it comes down to their local Mayor begging, they'll do it.>>74002500>If america survives, it'll be an entirely new country.That is, to me, the essence of America anyway. We're never the same country for more than 50 years. Whether that's for better or worse, we can't be afraid to roll the dice and try again next time if it doesn't pan out.
>>73990291Future doctors will look at modern medical practices the way we do medieval ones. Which is to say modern medicine at it's worst. The villages in Appalachia where people can only pray a doctor comes in by helicopter once a decade to pull the rotting remains of teeth out of anyone over 20, the homeless people sitting around watching their own arm rot off because no hospital will admit them unless they are willing to quite their addictions cold turkey and submit themselves to the mercy of a medical system that would much prefer they dropped dead so the hospital didn't lose money treating them. And that would be their take on first world medicine. To here the 2170 books tell it the third world would never have access to treatment at all.
>>73996480>we need to think about the long-term sustainability of Earth.If we go full on transhumanist, then we don`t have to think planetary. The cybernetic being is a being that will thrive in the vaccum.
>>74000851Probably not tho
>>74000935>Khan Noonien Singh Edition.Eugenics Wars when?
>>74004434He'd be an unironic improvement over the PRC.
>>73990291Doctors in the next 20-30 years will readily euthanize the elderly and terminally ill. There will be billions of climate and war refugees, many will be triaged due to overwhelming shortage of doctors and medical equipment. As more virulent urbanized diseases spread and more countries collapse we'll see patients euthanized and cremated if the doctors don't think they have a chance, in order to save their work for those that might live. Entire refugee districts will be incinerated without evacuation to try to race ahead of the disease.Civilization is sick you see and everyone knows that its terminal. Antidepressant and recreational drug development will surge, peole must be kept working. You can already see this happening with Marijuana legalization and the explosion of different strains and hybrids.
>>73994392>>74000935>>74001203>>74001221>>74004434>>74005835Basically, unless the chinese fail hard at implementing one of the scifi technologies they're working on and go back to having another period of warlords killing each other until there's only one winner left, who then founds the next dynasty, they'll end up running the planet.
>>73990449>We've collectively said FUCK THAT to human genetic engineering. But that doesn't mean that similar techniques in the future won't be more palatable to future generations.They'd run into similar issues, there's no way to map out the potential issues you'd run into with people getting modified with various levels of sophistication. When it will be used there's a good chance it will be used conservatively, for the most part as a means of curing genetic diseases.
>>73990497>antifungal vaccineThat’s not even a thing.
Future neuro-surgery will be quite interesting.
>>74000617I've never understood this line of concern about the differences between what people have. Are you not allowed to have something nice if you can't share it with not just the class but literally everyone in the world? It's like grade school logic taken to an absurd extreme.
>>74011945I think sociopath and psychopath should be reversed
>>74013420History has shown time and time and time again that the rich and powerful will use their resources to get richer and more powerful. This means starting wars, exploiting workers, destroying the environment, killing dissidents, creating laws that only work in their favor, hoarding resources, and doing everything they can to engineer society to better serve them.The rich having more than the poor would be fine if the rich were content to just have what they have but the rich also like to steal money and kill people and I'm not a big fan of being stolen from or killed.
>>74013420Nice american understanding of the issues. You might not be quite so retarded, but the amount of mutts I've met that unironically believe socialism means not owning your own car, house, etc is astounding. You fuckers got psyop'd into the stratosphere and took the rest of the west with it.Really a tragedy.
>>74011945EP neuro-surgery sounds... I want to say viable but in the theoretical sense. Like a Fusion plant using only pistons. Is there a word for that in any language?
>>74013420It`s about fairness. The free market is not a moral system, it only one that values supply and demand/profit maximisation. You could work hard and smart you entire life but someone born rich will still have more than you despite not having done any work for it. And even if he has done some work, some work is overvalued and some is undervalued by market forces. The biggest threat for any democracy is the break-up from a communal society to one that is divided into different classes. If we want to live in a free, democratic and fair system, a govermental support system will be necessary to mend crass econocmic/social injustices.
>>74013420Because you'll eventually use it to subjugate me so it's only natural to try and nip it in the bud before it sprouts
>>74013745You won`t be able to stop it. That`s why it is better to legalize it and make it avaible to everyone. To take structural hold of its development. Because otherwise you will see it develop in autocracies, black clinics and east first. Once the augmented new societies outcompete the old western societies, they will be forced to adopted the technology as well, but now stand second. It wouldn`t be so bad if it only would be Japan, Taiwan and South Korea but China is also on its tracks.
>he thinks we have a future
>>74013745The saddest thing about this is that I can tell you really mean it.
>>74013743The root of most societal problems is the traditional family unit, which Plato recognized, but good luck getting rid of that while we're still on this planet.
>>74017356Can't reliably produce children or get males invested in the continuation of civilisation without it.Theres a reason every successful civilisation has been built on it and that is because without it males will not produce a surplus.
>>74017356>The root of most societal problems is the traditional family unit,Not really; its greed, selfishness, jealously, fear and apathy that is the root of all human evil. More evil was done by those that called for the destruction of traditional families than by traditional families themselves.
>>73990291In 150 years it's probably going to be "POOF! You're healed." and if you're unlucky enough to get killed, one of your clones/sleeves will get activated somewhere else.150 years ago, blood types were still unknown. There were no antibiotics. Pasteur's germ theory of disease had just been discovered. X-ray hadn't been discovered, yet. There were no vaccines against anthrax, rabies, diphtheria, cholera, tetanus, pertussis, polio and yellow fever, but inoculation against smallpox existed. Even simple stuff like a standardized patient record didn't exist. Life expectancy was under 40 years (it is around 78, now).
>>74013909>You won`t be able to stop it.That's assuming it can be done, and that you aren't just doing what everyone has always been doing, seeing something interesting and believing all the future will be shaped by it. Successful, long term modification of the human body is reliant on dozens of emerging and almost wholly untested technologies being everything they're cracked up to be on their own and then making them work in concert. If the recent advancements in medicine have taught us anything, its that the human body is a volatile and temperamental environment governed by everything from the shape it to its innumerable encounters with the world. Medications and procedures that were once commonly prescribed can years later be revealed to be incredibly dangerous simply because testing, no matter how sophisticated, cannot always foresee every problem. Sure we may have CRISPR, but we're no where near the point where we can forecast the potential dangers of using it on individuals over several decades, much less the general population; if its even possible.
>>74020251>That's assuming it can be done,It was already done. (https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/02/21/137309/the-crispr-twins-had-their-brains-altered/). To a quite limited degree thoug.Wwe have already identified several thousand possible DNA alleles that we can modify to our benefit. https://arxiv.org/abs/1408.3421 And by benefit, I mean objective good traits such as health, fitness and intelligence. We could modify the GRIN2B (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19838302), the PDE4B (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=26272049), https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25225386 and the FOXP2 strain (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19838302) to help our children to have more potential. Add modifications with TP53, CDKN2A, CTNNB1, NGF, MSTN, EPOR and APOE genes, and you got the basis for a healthy, fit and smart child. But it is true, that we need some 10 - 20 years to test it out, but CRISPR is progressing and computer become better at simulating biological processes, so I`m optimistic that such progress will be made.
>>74020547>It was already done.On an experimental basis, not what I was referring too. Sure, in the short term you can apply sequences that are fairly well understood, but there's no way to forecast the interactions between artificial sequences in the general populace, especially in cases of modification after people are born and after several compounded generations of modding.>I`m optimistic that such progress will be made.I think there are applications for the technology, but just like any medicine a measured and conservative approach would be the best and probably what we'll see.
>>74002660This assumes an optimistic future instead of 'get euthanized by enforcement killbots as soon as age or poor health makes keeping you alive more expensive than the value of your work.'
>>74001823>Why would anyone sell augmentation when their own augmentation gave them an advantage over the non-augmented?For... money?Money tends to be a good reason to sell things. If you don't sell it to unaugmented folks, other people will and it'll still get given to them and you're just not getting any money out of it.
>>73990291I like how OP's post has 0.00% to do with any form of on-topic traditional game, it's literally just a question about the future of real life.
>>74021332Killbots cost money and social disruption caused by systematic murder could threaten the immortal power structure. It is easier and more stable to install a UBI that keeps the population happy. Well, atleast in borderline democratic nations. I don't know what hellscapes will develop in russia or china.
>>73990291>What will future doctors think about modern medicineI hope will gain a greater understanding of the brain and how to treat mental illness. I also hope they will marvel at how bad we were at handling pandemics, the same way we laugh at bloodletting and balancing humours.
>>73996189>We literally live in a society where the 'number one problem' is that there are way too many people.Only in Africa.
>>74021842>I also hope they will marvel at how bad we were at handling pandemicsThat's less a medicine thing and more a dont be contrary retards just because you don't like the people telling you how to reduce the rate of spread thing.
idk probably horror stories of dilation stations Nanotech. Small dude robots. Quantum surgery?
>>73990291They will probably look down on Chemo, needless vaccinations, surgery, needle injections, organ donation, blood transfusions, sex changes and circumscisions (I hope)...
>>74022246Believe it brother. big true good is in ascension.
>>74022246>blood transfusionsThese are actually perfectly reasonable, seeing as we can't exactly manufacture working artificial blood in a lab.
>>74021446Can't write a realistic future setting without realistic future predictions.
>>74013420>>74013476>>74013745>>74017329Short of inventing star trek replicators so even the poorest can have unlimited material goods, those wealthier than you are always an inherent threat.
>>74025394Sucks to be an American.
>>73990291"Did you know that neo-millennium doctors used to give people chemical capsules to treat diseases? Sometimes they'd even make inert viruses to get their immune systems working. In extreme cases, they would need to use radiation to kill the defect but harm the patient at the same time.""Lucky we have nano-retainers now. Imagine dying from something as simple as cancer."
>>74032286Meanwhile, said nanites have a subscription fee.
>>74032328>he doesn't jailbreak his nanites
>>74032328That`s not how they work. Atleast nanosymbionts can only be programmed to be permanent or temporary, you would have to inject the patient with specialized nanosymbionts whose sole purpose would be to delete those anti-cancer nanosymbionts. It would possible for some corp to force people to do that but that is way too complicated and unprofitable as you would have to built up a specialzed research while other corp will make progress in enhancements and gain far more money.
>>74032328It would more likely be considered closer to tax or national insurance contributions. Except in the ruins of the US, where they're still fighting a civil war and get charged by Israel for nanite coverage.
>>74032632The second the US goes down, all Israel's neighbors have no cannon fodder to stand in their way.
>>73999628Different poster here.People /pol/ attacks are targets generated by racial propaganda. That is the literal point of /pol/: displacing the violent behavior of dissatisfied morons. Are even 1/4 of the threads in /pol/ bitching about millionaires with clear programs that screw over everyone, like Koch? Fucking nope. That's how you can tell where /pol/ directs its hate. /pol/ is a failure in this, and absolutely every other sense. It might as well be training to self-lobotomize.The only way /pol/ would ever get mad at a filthy millionaire was if it was some combination of female, <insert ethnic group>, or liberal millionaire. You would not even care what the millionaire was *doing*. The important thing is that they are (((stupid /pol/ meme about ethnic group, females, or liberals))). You all suck. You pat yourselves on the back for making up hate fantasies. You can't even be bothered to hate people actually causing the most problems, because most of them are of the same race as most /pol/. Your collective ability to screen and determine who is causing actual problems is worse than fucking children. You deliberately spend your time making fact-checking, analysis, and critical thinking abilities worse for yourself and others. You spend your time building conspiracies against people who have not shit to do with fucking up humanity. Whenever anyone attempts to seriously consider these problems you actively try and fuck it up with your shitty memes and derails.All of that is what /pol/ entails as a hobby.You are shit.Your board is shit.There is absolutely nothing good that will come of it.It literally blunts the tools needed to fix anything involved in politics OR any fucking where else.Sane people legitimately fucking hate you. Wake the fuck up, if you fucking please, you fucking bastards. You are already happily slurping upper class dick. That is what /pol/ is about, right fucking here and now. And you aren't even getting paid for it.
>>74033371Nah, you've got /pol/ confused for the libertarian freemarket cultists. They're fascists. There's a difference.
>>74032345Biohell by Andy Remic Similar situation to #6 here.https://www.cracked.com/article_19162_6-hilarious-ways-game-designers-are-screwing-with-pirates.htmlThe 'don't zombify the patient' bit of programing is linked to the copy protection.
>>74021446>he doesn't play the greatest game of all, Real LifeNgmi fren
>>74036196Too much pay-to-win bullshit.