Old thread atleast skim it >>75981360 Mecha-boar editionWith the 8th edition coming out, which faction do you think has gotten the shortest end of the stick and which has gotten boosted? Any part of the lore you wish they hadn't tocuhed/did touch upon?
Andromedans were never that broken, you faggots kept crying about it and now they're trash.
>>76018207>who got boostedDude Nova fuckin EXIST again, no one got boosted more than that.Hyped as hell to see how many of my old units are still viable.
>>76018207Who is your favorite romantic ship in the novel's? I'm personally a Colonel Atamar x Threxia guy myself even tho ik it's never gonna happen now cause the writers are asshurt over how badly fans reacted to her heel turn. Which by the way was horribly written and deserved all the hate it got.
>>76018207The biggest buffs were given to the Verdant, Emerald Nova and Ashen Fleets.>>76018542From what I've seen most of them.>>76018580From what I've seen there were two new books anounced that could be considered romantic.Mresh and Thukker (Which is a Japan exclusive so it might aswell be a comedy for all we know) and Love, guns and circuts (It features Concordant Moons, Sentients and Ppuk)
>>76018580the two rookie pilots enema and jack. that sink or swim battle at hells gate was nice still pissed enema was dishonourable discharge after they found them.
>>76018307>I know that the Tyar are supposed to be the "Bastion of the Human Race" and "Defenders of a Legacy of 5000 Years" but as Chapter 12 of the latest book has shown the poster boys are still till fucked up to even think about making a child's novel in the setting.In the last Tyar centered book "Fires of the Avar" the Tyran Nobles literally PAINT their power armor with the blood of the Avarian royal house.The Emperor himself even concludes the book by having Duke Taxla read out all the reasons he is inferior to a human being before he is thrown into the Plasma Furnace of a Matter Replicator.>This isn't some 40k babby shit this is real man's wargaming.Yet Warhammer still used the fucking Necrons as a direct antagonist. It may be still far away for a bit, but it's not all that terribly implausible.
>>76018950>knocks down Ash warship >brass too autistic to understand that shooting some petty officer to save a whole fleet is acceptable
>>76018207>Thread QuestionI think the Tyar have been wrongly shafted with the release of 8th Edition. No longer are we at the undisputed top of the of the pack for Admiralty and Fleet Action. Now we must deal with other lesser players like Zeckir and Pyrax suddenly shooting up the rankings. It's insulting enough that we had to suffer last edition with Andromedans being near to the top in the rankings.I just hope Shieldships and Blindships don't get nerfed too hard. But I think that Tableforge will do the right thing and make sure their best selling factions remains with the best rules.>All other faction fags might as well die. Avar will get the noose especially. That is my promise to you for 8th edition.
>>76018361>highest win ratio on average in tournaments >half the time the last two brackets are Andr.vs Andr. And Andr. Vs Andr. You deserved this cry mor
>>76018994i had no idea pilots had it that bad
So do you think we'll get any more lore on the Pink Destiny this edition?I know it's kind of risky for Tableforge to make a Blue Destiny subfaction of only female captains but I think the inclusion of some new female aces for them was a great power boost.ooc can someone archive the last two threads? I want to steal for setting building and it'll be nice to have them for all the lore that was made in them if these threads go longer.
>>76019140>introducing feminazi shit into my setting Is that you Betty Cooper. Please go away. Nobody reads your shitty fanfics
>>76019140that's not the bad thing about this>>76012119>>76010896did he fuck all of them?
>>76019248>bodyguard unit literally made up of his children>he can spare this manyWhat do you think anon
>Be me, Mesekai labourer.>Drafted to keep the Supreme Pleasure Dome running for my Captain-liege>won't see my homeland again, probably, but the food's plentiful and don't get beaten at all.>Lifeisnice.jpg>In Sector Bumfuck Somewhere, I'm repairing a spherical doodad that's meant to keep a complex of all-natural fountains going and thus allow my Captain-liege to play gajion as Kroa commands.>Suddenly, I feel a chill in my chest.>Alarms blare, my vision and hearing goes dim, my feet's webbing dries up.>Cry out for my fellow crewtoads.>Nothing, only raspy croaking escapes me.>Soon, my skin dries up too and I die.>Come into The Field of Reeds.>Go watch what killed me.>See three big fat grey stone slabs held together by round bridges expelling a faint red ray againstm y ship.>mfw killed by a fucking Necroseer vampire ray.
So unironically this sounds like a good basis for a game. Let me know if I've missed anything so far in terms of the actual fleet game.>LEADER,MAINLINE and ESCORT are the three categories that all units fall into. Potentially some leaders can open up different Force Org charts. Or give you more choices. That or there may be different force orgs in general available to different races to fit playstyle.>Maybe most basic is 1 Leader,1Mainline,1 Escort Choice ? And then choosing to take one class of ship counts as 1 choice?>All ships have a Hull Value,Armor Value and Boarding Value. Hull Value represents damage control and how many hits your ship can take. Armor Value is what you need to roll to Wound,different weapons will give you modifiers to this roll. Boarding value is size of crew+skill of it's Marines,with different races getting bonuses to either defence or offence which can be increased with upgrades.>Maybe to Hit and to Damage dies can be D20s to give a bigger variance to what you need to roll. To Hit Rolls being modded by your sensor strength and targets ewar capability, not sure how that would work.>You can get Critical Damage if your To Damage Roll is a Natural 20 maybe>Card Play maybe acts kind of like choosing Strategems in 40k except you have a full deck you choose before battle and you can only have a max of 5-7 in your hand in a turn. Cards give your Fleet bonuses and you can have faction specific cards like Andromedan Shield Disruption that can effect both fleets.>You have dodge saves. Potentially this could be like Brace For Impact in BFG. In return for halving your firepower you can get a "Save" against enemy hits but not enemy damageDid I miss anything? I think this is the basics from the last two threads.
>>76019364>See three big fat grey stone slabs held together by round bridges expelling a faint red ray against m y ship.I miss the Necroseers old aesthetic.
"i'm going to live, and i'm going to marry enema, and were going to grow old together"
>>76019559He's totally gonna get shot down by Sulfur 7 next time they duel lol
>>76019609dude, Sulfur 7 is on another level to jack.
Which of the anounced books makes you the most excited? For me it is the Simulation Trilogy.
Okay anons since the thread is slow tonight I shall regale you with the story of the greatest Admiralty game I've ever played. Let me tell you anons about the Siege of Ooma.>Be me. Be playing in an Admiralty Campaign at my local Hobby Mart. With each space battle played out in a game of Space Fleet of course.>Campaign group made up of me,Planetborn player,Mesekai,Concordant Moons,Voidborn and Blue Destiny>Campaign ends up with a massive build up of forces. I manage to form an alliance with the Blue Destiny while the Concordant Moons and Mesekai player form their own alliance. Voidborn player is by herself,she takes the unwanted worlds in the bottom left corner of the battlemap.Goal of me Planetborn player is to conquer 2/3 of the battlemap or force all players to surrender.>Now this edition ground combat in Admiralty was based on combat power. Both player would roll a die and apply all relevant bonuses to the roll and if you won the roll you would apply half of your combat power in damage to the loser's force.>Blue Destiny player and I decide to focus on the Concordant Moons player first before he can get ACADEMIA Ultra Class A.I. up. Focus hard into Earth Guard and target science facilities.Blue Destiny ally targets the Mesekai supply lines and goes full out raiding,Mesekai rely heavily on trade fleets from their HomeCiv in Admiralty to terraform planets and expand influence to neighboring systems.>Basically Mesekaifag is pinned down throwing Fleet points into Convoy Escorts instead of main battlefleet so Concordant Moons player is stuck fighting 2 on 1.>Even with those numbers Moons still OP and I have to spam "Toulon" class Planetary Bombardment Battleships to get the Bombardment Tokens I need to cancel out the Shield World Defense Zone Bonus.Had to use my once per match Admiral Amalric card "Pound them In Their Trenches" to win the ground war. Our war score is too high and Concordant Player is forced to surrender,Part 1/?
>>76020772Part 2/2>Just us on Mesekai now>He's been using a stream of Bribery cards to pay off Blue Destiny from attacking his convoys.Finally begins to entrench himself.>Blue Destiny morale extremely low after the war with the Concordant Dawn. Scrap fleets are immensely depleted from fighting Charons and Keelbreakers.If you've tried fighting Concordant Dawn in Space Fleet with them you'll know how much of a slog it can be and we'd spent 3 in game years fighting against them.Planetborn are a little better with morale much higher. >Mesekai entrench themselves on a world called Ooma,a paradise world for their species and heavily fortified with a 300 Power in ground forces entrenched on the world,they've neglected their space fleet to focus on ground warfare techs.He intends to draw us into a protracted ground war for Ooma to waste away all of our Industry Points and tech so he can build up a large enough fleet to destroy our navies and force a Surrender.>We got stuck in a five year ground war for Ooma and every day of it is hell
>>76020957>Meant 2/3Part 3/3>Year 1:We take the orbit of Ooma ,we decide to rush an attack straight for the planet.Enemy has 100 Power of Ground Forces,now each 1PT of Soldiers equals 1 million stinking Mesekai bastards. First wave of Earth Guard fails under the Citadels of the Mesekai Lord Vice President.>Fuck Hyper-Fortifications and Battlefield Birthing Pods are broken with Mesekai. >Total losses 50 million soldiers>Years 2-3 We tech hard into planetary bombardment and exhaust ourselves making a 100 Power land army. >Mesekai Dreadnoughts held in reserve use the Pinpoint War Shunt Card and burst right into our Fleets wiping out most of our support elements. But we still manage to kill 3/4 of the Mesekai.Total Losses:150 million>Years 4 and 5>Blue Destiny are forced to surrender but I launch a last ditch attack with my last 25 Power Ground Army.He sneers as our forces are now the same size and next turn his fleets will arrive to relieve his capital.I remind him I have the Armored Battlegroup upgrade so my power is doubled,we roll off ; I roll a 6 he rolls a 1. I have Ooma,victory is finally mine.>And then the Voidborn player announces that she won the game three turns ago and asks why I'm excitedFucking Voidborn.
>>76021211Saw this ending coming the moment you mentioned that everyone was ignoring the Voidborn player.Never ever ignore voidborn they excel at appearing to do nothing while actually setting up win conditions..
>>76021850Yeah if you don't rush them you'll lose the game.But hell even if I lost it was a hard fought victory.Me and the Mesekai-fag ended up writing whole paragraphs of lore for the many battles for the planet Ooma.Even made me get a small Mesekai force. I'm glad they're getting a buff with 8th editon.
>>76020480Verdant First Contact is what I'm hoping for. I here included with the book is going to be the story of the alleged love affair of the Andromedan and Verdant ambassadors.I hear that Ambassador Long Trunks does some very nasty things and it's always nice when Andromedans get fucked.
>>76022263>love affair of the Andromedan and Verdant ambassadorsAren't the Andromedan canonically asexual living plasma who just look humanoid?
>>76022406Yes they are. Apparently there's still people who think they're crystal people just because of their ships.
>>76022480Blame Japan.>>76019165>Betty Cooper>feminaziSetting aside that the running plot threads in All My Chains Broken was that the for all their bluster the Pink Destiny was just a bunch of literally cutthroat politics with the major players manipulating and subordinating weaker captains for their benefit and that the only difference between the Lustrous Compact and the Pirate King was a skincare regimen, how can you not know Cooper is pretty much the biggest perv and pornhound at Tableforge? The infamous Throng of Thongs piece in the Planetborne 5e naval roster? Cooper. Trion Tittybot? Cooper. "Warmth of Darkness" from the 7e Ppuk short story collection? Cooper. If she didn't already have 7 kids I'd say bitch needs to get laid.
>>76022406>Aren't the Andromedan canonically asexual living plasma who just look humanoid?Well the people behind Nyxa the cuckqueen would have to disagree with you on this one.
>>76024458I wonder what's the origin of this gap in the fluff, it does seem like sometimes they have more "embodied" representations.
>>76020480"Mresh and Thukker". Yes, I know it's a Japan exclusive, but I want to believe someone is going to give it a scanlation soon enough. The meme potential must be through the roof.
>>76018680>Emerald Nova buffed>Ashen Fleets buffedOk it's *certain* they'll come back in the fluff then. That's great, since their conflict made them both marginal to other factions, I guess it also means TF will resolve the war. Since both are buffed I guess it won't result in the destruction of either. I wonder how they'll pull it off, anyone knows what coming books might adress it?
>>76024478I'm going to be 100% with you. It started with Japanese fanartists making -tans of the factions. Pretty much all of the "embodied" Andromedian art takes massive design cues from them.
>>76018950>>76019559I'd like everyone to google the word enema and then wonder WTF the author was thinking when they named the character
>>76024599Enema's real name is Scaif Loxread, Enema is a call sign. All the callsigns are basically embarrassing nicknames. Did you really not notice considering some of the other pilots are called Scabies, Heavyflow, and Teabag?
>>76019559I'm conflicted...On the one hand, it's so painfully obvious he'll get killed it hurts.On the other hand, the writer in question is the same guy who wrote General Barbos dying by hitting his head on a rock after slipping on the battlefield, so he may survive by sheer force of subversion of expectations alone.
>>76024799Yes, but you're expecting that, aren't you?
>>76018207>TQThey deffinetly arent gonna be top on competitive but:-Zeckir got some buffs! Yeah, or shooting was nerfed, again, and its totally usseless. But now boarding is actually good! And we got some movement denial and Pyshic buffs with our Brigades, destructors and big ships in general. Verdant are now an actual faction so big win for them. Necroseers seems to be more tonned to be "1 strike = 1 ship down" I think they got a short stick as now some tactics have lost the winning odds.
I remember just a few days ago joking about Verdant's irrelevance. I guess all these jokes over those years got to Tableforge kek. I wonder if it's because they got Antonio Esposito to join the writing team? He was in the editorial team of Tableforge magazine years back they published Verdant rules, and there's a rumour he's "Antony9" on the forums.
>>76024574>Since both are buffed I guess it won't result in the destruction of either. I wonder how they'll pull it off, anyone knows what coming books might adress it?"Badass remamnant army" is consideted a trope for a reason, my bet is that the Elmerald Nova will become a nomadic fleet of spaceships that goes around righting wrongs for a price, and that's how they'll address the buffs while also having a destructive war between the Ashen Fleet and the Elmerald Nova, unless their plan is get them to team up and beat the Planetborn some more (not like they're going to need all those planets anyway)
>>76025263Well he confirmed that he was Antony9 on his twitter recently. He is probably the only person that can make Verdant work. He shows dedication and likes the Verdant.Also because previously they were a free trial faction because you need to sell models. But with the advent of 3D printing Tableforge made them the designated tutorial faction. In addition Tableforge magazines that contain Verdant also contain coupons for buying models. They went from what is esentially a pay to win model to a free-to-play model. And from what I've seen of the new rules the Verdant are probably the most balanced faction in years.
>>76021211>And then the Voidborn player announces that she won the game three turns ago
OOC: With the thread now having an actual name i wonder how many people think this is a real game
>>76025871Hilarious though it is, it's kinda bullshit that they can get away with that sorta thing.>>76025712>making them a balanced free-to-playYou know, this is actually a pretty cool idea. I wonder why more games dont do it. Get people in the door with a cheap and cheerful balanced faction, then entice them to try the new hotness.
>>76027067>You know, this is actually a pretty cool idea. I wonder why more games dont do it. Get people in the door with a cheap and cheerful balanced faction, then entice them to try the new hotness.Most game designers and executives aren't born yesterday, they do know most gamers will use proxies for any model they can't get their hands on. Fine if you don't intend to produce any... less so if it's something you actually make. WYSISWYG is not necessarily applicable everywhere, so making a "free"/overly cheap army can have the side effect of killing mini sales if anyone get creative.
>>76018580I liked Jim Dehoof Claysnout's relationship with poor Wilena, seeing basically a mild-tempered fatty with no social skills manage to bed one of the best-looking Avars of all (genetically engineered to be the prettiest of all Avars, natch), simply because Wilena had a lust implant in her head that had never been tuned properly, and then following Jim around (and being the horniest of the two, arguably) because of his personality was pretty funny to me.
>>76027445True, true, that makes sense.I hope it doesnt impact 8e sales.
>>76027067Dunno man she focused on getting her victory while you two suffered from tunnel vision while trying to kill the Mesekeks
Give me a basic rundown on your favorite factions anons. I'm just starting with 8th Ed so convince me why I should run your faction.Otherwise I'm just gonna split the Tyar-Thukker Starter "Assault on Nova Reach" with a friend.
Ooc can someone post the faction list from last thread again?Also where do you go to archive threads?
Reposting the ranking most played factions from TG's forums because they make people salty. What do you think the new edition will change in that ranking?>Andromedans>Absolute States>Tyar>Ppuk>Voidborn>NecroSeer>Thukker>Concordant Moons (including Sentients)>Swarm>Mycenoid>Mesekai>Avar Monarchy>Emerald Nova>Ashen Fleets>Comunity of the Zeckir>Kyrax>Mresh>Verdant(Planetborns were left out of the poll as a joke)(ooc >>76027996 there you go)
>>76027962Mesekai (aka Memekai aka Mesekeks) isn't what I'd call a starter faction, but once you get the hang of their strengths and weaknesses you can get rolling pretty well. Not too strong to risk getting nerfed but also not pathetically weak.Fleet mode is pretty standard, their Chemtech fuel trait slows them down a bit but gives them (as far as I know) the best engine efficiency in the whole game. You have shields but they're so weak compared to other faction"s shields that you'd be better off investing on Processed Plasteel Alloy armor and Reactive Hulls.Their energy weapons are pretty underwhelming, but the Mass Drivers are pretty good when you consider the Improved Propellant trait.Now Admiralty is another story, with a lot more strengths and weaknesses that wouldn't fit in a single post.
>>76027996Faction list!>Andromedans>Absolute States>Tyar>Ppuk>Voidborn>NecroSeer>Thukker>Concordant Moons (including Sentients)>Swarm>Mycenoid>Mesekai>Avar Monarchy>Emerald Nova>Ashen Fleets>Comunity of the Zeckir>Kyrax>Mresh>VerdantOOC: Also, desuarchive is good enough.
>>76018207I'm done. I have devoted LITERAL YEARS of my life to this game, and I've given almost tens of thousands of dollars to this company, and they continue to mistreat loyal Kyrax fans like me. This hobby would not exist without grogs like me. And they give no love to Kyrax, objectively one of the coolest factions with near-infinite potential.I can't handle it. You Verdants and Emerald Novans and Ppuk'ers are so fucking spoiled and you whine all the time and it just gets so stale. Try being a Kyrax fan after years and years of neglect! REEE I'm would go play something reasonable, except there's nothing that came close to this game.
Ooc should we develop factions and setting more or try to make some kind of game system first?While it might be some work with some clever programming you could probably get all the mechanics down in a game like tabletop simulator.
>>76028222You were in their same camp until fucking yesterday, bitch you envious AND in a hurry? The'll helpd them out soon enough, assuming you won't whine about your lore beign changed again liek y'all always do.
>>76028289OOC I came up with the Voidborn and Mesekai so I can work on those two, though help would be appreciated
>>76028289OOC I was the one who tried to give an idea of what Thukkers were, on top of trying to throw out a couple of lists out there. I can try to help out.
>>76022263>literal living electricity>getting fucked by an all-female speciesEven if they weren't, the Andromedan idea of first contact protocols is still total war with the goal to make billions into batteries.
>>76028222>Novas>spoiledYou whiny fuck, we've not had a canon ruleset and faction since 4th Edition.We LITERALLY just got confirmed yesterday that Emerald Nova *exists* again and you have the gall to come and say that we're being spoiled.You've ben canon this whole time and the only 'problem' you've faced is your beewaifus becoming more human like and less weird bee monstrosity.Which, yeah, it sucks they made them appeal to coomers more, but at least your faction *existed*.
>>76028222KYRAX DESERVE THE SUFFERING FOR ALL THE SHIT THEY DID IN 2E FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR 4D FLEET MOVEMENT
>>76028289>>76028386I preffer making the lore, as having actual game-rules (that arent plagiarizing of things) is more hard maths that funnies.I came up with most Zeckir fluff, a little of Necroseers and in general I could try to give some random ideas
>>76028583Fair enough, now onto trying to make a repository somewhere.
>>76028289First thread OP here.
OH FUCK I just got around to watching the 8th stream yesterday.No one fucking told me they got Gutierrez back in for Nova!Christ, it really is the second fucking coming, this is great.And holy shit I want to see the full size image she's using as a background, too man.I smell new Nova fightercraft.
>>76029046thanks for the thread it's been really fun
>>76029332I have originally envisioned the Absolute States to be an obvious parody of some other states, and the Tyar to be some sort of a logic-defying alien civ with their blindships being able to ignore shots on the simple basis of not detecting them.The blindship designation itself, though, was based on the late medieval japanese-korean wars, with the japanese calling the korean vessels "blind ships", comparing them to a blind swordsman entering the fray and hitting just whatever happens to be in his way.However, the reversive reimagining that happened over the course of discussions is also interesting, and I'm not going to dispute its results.
>>76029456 I came up with the Mesekai on the fly while the Voidborn were a concept I've had in my mind for a bit. Never thought they'd be spiders but I like non-humanoids
>>76029456 Figured that having an Ork equivalent that didn't present them as necessarily a force of Nature could be fun. I also thought that having Necroseers using Brutalist ships could be a neat change of pace for the "space undead" faction.
>>76029278Making up nonexistent devstream screenshots is a whole new level of nonexistent game discussion. Consider me applauding.
>Spoiling your mind, it contracts and expands. If it is sucked up it howls in pain and pleasure. Warmth that irradiates from circular waves. Probably falls from clouds, escaping from shacks, lsot connections. It's never easy."My brain hurts after readin this lore excerpt about the Zeckir. Can anyone help me out in getting what the fuck did I just read?
Gotta make some microships in stud.io (a LEGO CAD program for those unaware). Propose your suggestions (faction, specific ship, loadout optional).
>>76030508I always need more practice with editing and thispersondoesnotexist is the best GM resource ever.Glad you like it!
>>76029456 As I said, I'm the one who created the Zeckir.First of all thank you for your idea it's been fun /tg/ should do things like these once in a couple months or so.About the Zeckir themselves, I wanted "biopunk the faction" but without being full Tyranid/Zerg simply animal shaped ships and some bits explaining that the Corvetes were more flesh than metal.The second comment about them (not mine) put the Pyshic Scream thing, so I opted to go religious guys but they dont know what or how they pray, so I came up with "The Mind" some quotes and so[/spoilers]
>>76030545On the very basis, no one fucking knows what The Mind is, not even Tableforge, it's a secret everyone knows that they came with it smoking weed.On the fluff thingy, Zeckir love to play with the mind, chemicals to change emotions, how you think and, specially awake Pyshic abilities.There are multiple subfactions of the Zeckir each one whith its own explanation of whats The Mind and how to Enact its Will. Most of them think once you awaken your Pyshic capabilities you already have all the knowledge, as some characters, even non-Zekist, describe that even the first time it's natura and "muscular memory" so they play with everyones mind.Theres also a sacrifice mentality, showed in crunch as Corvetes loses dont cause moral negatives on certain conditions. So most innitiation rituals involve pain in some way.
>>76030905>Zeckir, Djinni Corvette, Bone Flak Batteries>Planetborn, Hatchery Strikecraft Carrier>Necroseers, Cenotaph Heavy Cruiser.
>>76030905>Planetborn"Saturn" class Battlecruiser>2 Superheavy Spinal Mounted Cannons>Missile pods and studded with point defense turretsMy inspiration was this.
>>76018207I'm back with more fanart! I think that covers all of the non-squatted factions (rip Hellenos Megapolity).
>>76031419The smallest of them enters! Zeckir and their weird mineral-enriched bone.
>>76032305>Kyrax carrier has hexagonss for docking baysKino
>>76032305Rad. I collected up all your drawings together for reference. As a complete newfag, are these all frigates like you said for the first batch? They're kind of inspiring and I think I might take a crack at some unofficial .stl files fanart of my own.
>>76018207I want to swarm people with massive fleets of drones. I want to blot the sky with servitors of all kinds. Which faction/race plays best to that style?
>>76032305These looks fucking cool. Nice work. What is this?
>>76032760A game that doesn't exist that, over the course of over two threads of /tg/ taking the piss, has somehow taken on a life of its own.
>>76028289Ooc Planetborn poster here. My idea for them was groups baseline humans who rejected transhumanism and genemodding technologies and decided to break off from the rest of humanity. Then hundreds of years later the different colonies decided to band together in the Planetborn Alliance for mutual defence,that would later turn into a militaristic expansionist state. With the worlds of the Ormonde family and Conglomerated States being the two main members of the alliance. And that's as far as I got.Also I archibe the first two threads on suptg under "/tg/ accidentally creates a sci fi setting".
>>76032757Pretty much all of them except Thrukker can rig up a list that throws a shitton of drones at the enemy. But Zeckir, Ppuk, and Myceniods are the only ones where "drones and nothing but" is anything more than a gimmick. Though keep in mind that running drone-heavy lists makes you exceptionally vulnerable to ewar and capital ship sniping. Also god forbid you're up against another drone list or a fighter based list, your turn lengths are going to be measured in days.
>>76033197I've heard Kyrax has a strong drone game too, but, y'know, that's Kyrax.
>>76033226I think you might have got confused. Kyrax use fighters mostly, not drones, but their fighter pilots and boarders *are* drones, in like, the insect sense. Kinda unfortunate wording. So they can have drones piloting fighters backed up by drones. Pretty sure that sentence appears verbatim in their list even, it's kinda jank.
>>76033250It's also origin of the NUCLEAR FUCKBOIS meme.
S'up /bsg/, I am new to the game and currently reading up on both the factions and their lore, and I got a quick question.I figure none of the factions are buddies with one another, but do any of them consider any particular faction their ultimate nemesis? Thanks for the answers in advance.
>>76018207>Any part of the lore you wish they hadn't tocuhed/did touch upon?I wish they explained what the deal was with all these animal mechas, unless there was some lore book or side story I missed.
>>76032757If you count strikecrafts as such, on top of what >>76033197 said I'd add that Planetborn strike carriers can do that very well as well, though you need a special character (LTn. Mark Sergio Kotch) to use nothing but carriers.
>>76033397If you're counting strikecraft then you're a mixed fighter list. In that case add Swarm, Concordant Moons, Planetborn, Kyrax, and Tyar who can all run heavy fighter lists.
Progress on the Planetborn ship from >>76032305 's fanart. I'm far from done but can't help but feel I'm missing something essential. Any Planetborn stans want to tell me what I'm fucking up before I get to the engines?OOCAdding interest to big flat spaces is my fucking bane. You got me to model a new spaceship though, /tg/, it's been awhile.
>>76033483Giant fucking logos and insignia. If you're running the Trion Assembly subfaction, giant holoscreens displaying propaganda.
>>76033627Yeah I can't exactly put that on the model without embossing it, can I? Then it's useless for anyone playing a different subfaction unless they just paint over it. More importantly, I suck at making logos in 3d. I just ain't got the skill. Some other anon can handle customization sprues.
>>76033483>>76033677OP Planetborn poster here. Add some point defense turrets,some missile pods (take your pick of missile pod aesthetics) and just some sensors and antenna looking bits and that should break it up a bit more. Maybe even some side mounted engines as well or armor bulges. That should break up the flat spaces
>>76033677Decals, anon, decals. Plus I don't think Trion propaganda actually has an official look outside a single image in the Myreean Discord campaign book where they originated from, and that was while the ship was sitting in port.
>>76033716The side mounted engines were next, yeah. I've got some PD batteries I can yank off previous projects. And I think I have an idea for missile banks. Gimme a bit here and we'll update.>>76033717That's rad, but I can't include decals in an STL file either.
>>76033313>PlanetbornThey're hated by the Tyar and the Planetborn consider them their nemesis: differing philosophies of what means to be "human" will do that to you. >ThukkersEveryone fucking hates them because they're violent raiders that hold nothing sacred, and are also explosive breeders, but they don't give a fuck because everyone else has the shiny stuff and gives them a good fight... except the Necroseers. They hate their life-draining technology like nothing else, and will emphatically NOT steal it, opting to always destroy any instance of that they come across.>Absolute StatesThey see the Community of Zeckir as a bunch of lunatics to be eliminated at all costs. >Community of ZeckirNecroseers are considered their anthithesis incarnate, so they focus on them. That being said, they are known to also target Concordat and Sapient ships above all else, even when not very advantageous.>Avar MonarchyTheir refugees want nothing more to see Nova terra burn and Galileo V, the Tyar's emperor, die in a grease fire. Also, according to their mythologies, fungi are the creation of evil spirits, so they refuse to acknowledge the Mycenoid as even sentient.
ATTENTION ALL MESECHADSSTAND UP FOR OUR GLORIOUS CHEMDOME ANTHEMhttps://youtu.be/0sMAAajFBPQ
>>76033313Ash and Nova are currently (at least, as of last edition) engaged in a bloody war that has left most of Nova's territory burnt to the ground.So they very hate each other.>>76033481>>76032757Dont forget Nova!They're playable again, and unless their lists have changed massively, they're all fighters all the time.
>>76033313Blue Destiny are space pirates.Emerald Nova are peacekeepers.Naturally, they're at each other's throats on a daily basis.The Verdant revere suns.The Andromedans drain suns.So of course there's absolutely no reason for them to not despise each other.There's a reason why mixed fleet rules explicitly states that these two pairs can never mix.
>>76031419An Imeretir-built Hatchery-class strikecraft carrier; white and teal to symbolize the snow and ice of their home, a blood-red waterline - a tribute to the planet-sailing ships of old.
>>76033716Here you go. I think this is about the best I can do. It's not up to the original material but it was never going to be. I had to leave out a lot of details because it's just a destroyer-ish size ship, and I've had trouble getting meaningful detail to come through from certain printers and services, so I try not to go overboard. >>76032619Thanks again for the inspiration. I don't really know how to format files for anything but self-supported stl machines because I'm too poor to own my own printer, but people should be able to grab the file from where I uploaded it on sketchfab. And at least spin it around and look at it, if nothing else. https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/planetborn-dd-8bef150a443c46a495fe6b2748da74a0
>>76034353Looking sweet anon. I like your rendition of an "Orion" class Heavy Frigate. And Tableforge can't really seem to manage details very well on anything smaller than cruiser class so it should pass pretty well next to the original. Ooc holy shit looking nice anon.
>>76034563Thanks. yeah I guess that's true. I'm a fan of really old lines like what HZG does for full thrust so I've never been worried about 'detailed weapon batteries' and things like that. You get hung up on it and you get the tumorous turretitis that infects dropzone commander models. Not sure what else is within my skill range, but I'm liking that Mresh ship Anon drew above. That doesn't seem too hard. oocNone of that was inapplicable OOC either. I'm a huge proponent of Niklas Jansson's design theory on spaceships. http://androidarts.com/spaceships/spaceship_design.htm Composition is everything, detail is a spook. (not unimportant, but the last priority.) I'm glad you like it.
>>76034028>>76034057>>76034353These are all fucking awesome anons.
>>76034662Legoanon here; I think I'm taking a break for the night. The Saturn and the Cenotaph will have to wait.
>>76034833Sketchup anon would like to congratulate Legoanon on good work. Modeling is already hard and you've got to do it with a library of pre-existing bits and bobs. I've always found it very impressive.
>>76034057Holy shit it's almost better than the original. >tfw Tableforge can't make better models than fucking lego.Ooc you earn my ire and admiration you man among men.
>>76034028>>76034057Holy fuck that's awesome LEGOman. Almost looks like the original model! PErhaps I could try to make a copy on the cheap...
>>76034028>>76034057>>76034353Damn that's really nice bro. Well done.
>>76034833 You're doing God's work man, take your rest, it's well-deserved.
I'm trying to draw the Mesekai chemtroops, anyone have a good reference? Tabletop has very little art of them. I heard they had this heavy Diving Suit inspirationForgive me I'm not a drawfag
>>76035737Drawing at all makes you a drawfag, anon. Just keep at it.
Mresh assault ship in the pipe. At least 'rivets everywhere' is easy texture.
Holy shit have you guys been reading the web articles on Tableforge.net about the Planetborn Pogroms?Let me give you guys the rundown because some of this new lore is pretty intense.>Planetborn inherit a Mresh colony seems like there were humans there on the colony too>Human settlers had been modifying their Genes to interbreed with the Mresh not always successfully producing some messy mutants>Earth Guard commander decides to force the Moddies into camps in the arctic regions far away from the rest of the colonists. Assansinates all Mresh leaders that might be sympathetic to the crossbreeds.>Releases a gene tailored virus among their population that targets the youngest crossbreeds first. Let's them starve and fall victim to the plague's effects.Like holy shit they turned the EarthGuard from an elite force to some kind of ideology enforcing secret police. I thought that plot point got forgetten about in 3rd same as the conspiracy that the EarthGuard are a "secret order descended from the first human security officers that reached the galaxy" but apparently Tableforge has other ideas. God I hate these retcons completely changing my favorite factions.
>>76035737We have this from the first thread. Them chem breathers are fat fucks.
>>76036194That's a baron. Soldiers are fat but buff too
>MFW my body is used by NEcroseers not as a cool robo-zombie or as an assassin, but as a sensor boi.Life (and death) truly is suffering.
>>76036498Shouldn't have taken the delightpill bud, that drug is outlawed in Absolute States and Planetborn Territory for a reason and makes you more attractive to Necroseers as a sensor slave than anything else.
And here's the Mresh ship. The stock engines are kinda neat, they remind me of the FTL drives from Outlaw Star, so I decided to go all in on that as opposed to the canon look. The detail limits of the material I usually use made the 'mufflers' too big, so I replaced the shoulder smokestacks with them instead. Not sure if I'm happy with it, but so it goes. As before, sketchfab with download. https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/mresh-dd-a45ab8587a2d45a7aae0249f92863594OOC I'm probably going to save those engine pods for something of my own. I don't know how they'll print, but damn they look good in the editor.
>>76036498Just get some ash, find an Ashen and turn yourself into one of them.Take the Ashpill anon.
Stars, I'm not sure which faction I'm supposed to start with.
>>76037240They kinda look like dieselpunk airship screw propellers or something, I love it
>>76037360 Thanks. Outlaw Star's aesthetic is infinitely based. It's a disservice to not steal from it.
Finished the symbols of the Knifetooths and Stripetusks, two of the ofur major Thukken Clans.Stripetooths are the ones that are alleged to be the best in boarding actions due to tough and aggressive warfellows (though they are also noted to be the most... hands-on, in their sex practices); the Stripetusks have learnt how to trade their stolen goods effectively on the black market and are therefore the richest of all Thukken clans, their warfellows often trying to show off their status on the battlefield throught shinier throphies and tons of unnecessary ribbons.
new to this game and I kinda want to play Mresh>inb4 hurr durr mreshfag furryNo, I just like their ship designs. They have a lighthearted aesthetic that I don't think the other factions really manage - OK except Kyrax obviously but that's a bit over-the-top imoAnyway, besides them being the beast people faction, I don't actually know much about the fluff and I was wondering if anyone could elaborate?
>>76037662Their home planet got fucked by nuclear war, turning it into a big desert. This kicked them back a few centuries technologically, but a good few managed to survive in pseudo-feudal societiesSlowly, but surely, they digged up their older technology, and ended up getting back where they were before the disaster. Now hardened by the harsh planet and fierce leadership, the Mresh became, culturally, a completely different species.
>>76032305Great job all around, what type of ships are these?
>>76037662>>76037748If you can call them a single species at all. At the least, the Mresh are a healthy coalition of assorted tribes and genotypes of beastfolk who, given their wars and calamities and eventually finding out what the rest of the galaxy are doing (I can't recall if another civilization came across them and fucked them up), resolved to come together in unity and make their way forward. It's how they explain having all different varieties of beastfolk in different measures and types. Previously mentioned sorts of beastfolk include>Rahem tigerfolk>Kitsu foxfolk>Tengu birdfolk>Taurahe cow/bullfolk>Leonan lionfolk>Lupan wolffolkTheir current leader is the leonan Empress Simbala, and she refers to the Mresh as a whole as her "pride."
>>76037748So they're basically aggressive expansionists now they're into space finally? Or did they have territory in space before and are trying to take it back now?Also, are there any important characters I should know about?
>>76037883>>76037839ok apparently my question was mostly answered already
>>76037839Nalia Dewdrop here is a Mresh Ace. The Mresh have been out of action in the meta since they were functionally abandoned early (that seems to have turned around some with 8e), so they technically don't have any native Aces or fleet commanders, but they've popped up here and there in mercenary drops, so I suppose they count. Nalia here arrived in the 4e merc drop.And before anyone asks: word of God confirmed the Mresh are biologically compatible with humans and certain other alien races, and each other. You can, in fact, be a half-Mresh. It was never specified if Nalia, for example, is such a halfbreed.>>76037883They already had some space claimed, but the conflicts and invasions set them back. The latest drop implies they've only recently managed to reset back to their original peak state and are set to enter galactic politics. I'm not sure I'd call them aggressively expansionist, but they do at least want to find out who kicked in their door and laid them to ruin.
>>76037883They're very territorial but they don't expand much. Doing as much as drive a single transport ship anywhere near their borders will make them PISSED as SHIT (they have little to no diplomatic cost on Admiralty when declaring war, embargoes or threats if there's foreign ships near borders)Also the whole nuclear ordeal was before they went FTL, so they only reached the stars after that messAlso ignore the katanas, they have little context. The artists are just weebs.
>>76037944Okay ignore that last part about Pre-FTL
>>76037242Is there meant to be some sort of link between the Ashen and Andromedans? Cause there are some distinct similarities between some of their models
>>76037938>>76037944>>76037965I think I get that the initial pre-nuclear expansion was also pre-unity of the species, so does it say which species were the space-faring one(s) in the lore?
>>76038004TabletopForge never really got in detail about the Mresh before the calamity, but there's a whole bunch of speculationI remember reading this one post that suggested different species colonized different planets according to their habitat of origin, like Artic-dwelling ones going to frozen planets, desert-dwelling going to hot planets, something like that.
>>76037944They're touchy around strangers, but winning their trust is possible.>>76038004Never specified, to my knowledge. They do have marginal descriptions of different clans (e.g. Rahem are natural-born warriors and claim a healthy rivalry with the Leonan, etc.), but nothing to that extent.
>>76038046>>76038063>>76038046>>76038063They seem like a fun enough faction and I really like the more whimsical ship designs so I think I'll give it a go. Not fussed about competitiveness desu since I'm pretty casual anyway, but if they're doing better in 8e that's always nice.
>>76038063>>76038046>>76038004One guy made some headcannon spinoff with the Lupan being ancient romans and shit. It was pretty cool until furfags ruined it and the guy dropped the project.
>>76035255what's a nice ship you got their Nova, would be a bad if someone highjacked it.
>>76034637>Not liking turretitisYou'd never make it as a Mresh anon.
>>76038211We're talking "abandoned since 1e" uncompetitive. In most modern formats, they're not tournament-legal because they actually don't have enough parts to set up for a match. Supposedly, 8e helps get the Mresh up to code, if only barely.
Did the sun ever forgive us?
>>76038328do any other factions allow their better units as mercs then? Or are the rules pretty flexible on that?
>>76038291So more like this then? I'm fine with 'more dakka' but some of you twats are next level.
>>76037279You want to start with Tyar.They're the posterboys of the game for a reason.Really solid ships that don't need much card support and you get exotic options like the Blindship,made with extremely advanced alien tech, which give you a range of aesthetics.And they have quite good Ace choices like Lord Terrwym Ulani and his Lucky Jacks. Though their regular strikecraft are extremely overpriced.Speaking of the Blindship where the hell did the Tyar get the tech for it again? I know it was in one of the splat books,something about the Tya race.
>>76038401This is really amazing anon. The fact that there's turrets just sticking out of every which way completely haphazard is exactly what I was thinking for Mresh aesthetics
>>76037279>>76038424Tyar (humans) and Absolute States (multi-racial galactic democracy, including humans) are the de facto starter factions. They're the easiest to get across to people, and they do a little bit of everything. They're incredibly flexible and simple while still being competitive.
>>76038464[Spoiler] Oof, I went back and just copy-pasted a shitload of them I already had there as a taunt, but I can try and squeeze more in somehow. The ones in this pic are all horribly clipped together, just not from this angle since I only slapped them on for the joke.[/spoiler]
>>76038491Yeah, I don't think you need THAT many turrets.
>>76038508Nah. but I do kinda like the 'head' wearing a CIWS as a hat, now that I've done it.
>>76038491Give 'em some fillets and greebly bits (especially if you can vary them up so that it's somewhat clear that the various weapons all have different ammo) and you've got a solid model, at least in my opinion.>>76038424From what another anon said the next edition is setting up the Verdant as the newbie faction; I'm not sure if that'll be a good or bad thing though.
>>76038541Hum. What I think I'll do for now is leave it. If I do more factions later, I'll replace all the Mresh turrets with random ones off other people's ships. That should probably drive the aesthetic better than greebling them somewhat. Waffling on whether I want to do an Absolute State ship next. Their aesthetic doesn't look *too* hard.
>>76038566If you've played Homeworld, you have their aesthetic.
>>76022791>The infamous Throng of Thongs piece in the Planetborne 5e naval roster?Gave me my all time favorite waifu.
>>76038373If you've got good reason for having them on as mercs, sure.
>>76038373So long as youre not trying for an outright nemesis faction, you can probably justify it.
>>76038577Fair. I was looking at the vertical ship Anon drew back up in >>76032305 mostly. Couple of quarter-spheres stretched to shit and ta-da. Probably have to scrape that bottom fin under the donut off so the stand can go somewhere.If I had a dollar for every time I went to export one of these then went "Oh, right, where the fuck does the stand go?" I'd have as many dollars as models. Fwiw on these aesthetics>Easy enoughAbsolute StatesMesekaiVoid BornPlanet BornMreshAndromedansTyarConcordant MoonsThukkerNecroseers>Maybe I can figure it outPpukKyrax>Fat chance but non-zeroAvarMycenoids>Me or my tools suck too much to do thatZeckirAshenVerdantSwarm>Haven't seen a definitive aesthetic special tierEmerald Nova
>>76038541>>76038491To follow up on this and the whole Mresh aesthetics point in general, it feels kinda 'Ghibli airships but in space', which I think is a really neat concept that you don't see very often. Bit like 40k orks with the craziness, but with much rounder and smoother shapes, with fun elements like portholes, etc. for a more lighthearted feel.
>>76038727I've been kinda pictureing Nova stuff as very angular and pointed - not actually made of crystal or something, but shaped in a very angular 'cut gems' sorta way, if that makes sense.That, combined with 'nova' so like, long pointed prows, angular wings coming off it anywhich way, that sorta thing.If I were an artist, I'd come up with something to show what i mean.
>>76038215Huh. That's a new one to me. Then again, it's not like people keep up on Mresh lore in general.
>>76038764It's a cool look. Kinda reminds me of megaman legends. It was definitely fun to work with. Could use more portholes but I feel like I'm starting to overload it already. >>76038804That sounds kinda like something I was already working on, just with more wings and extrusions. Pic related. It had wings once but I decided it looked more cohesive without. Possibly a starting point
>>76038875I forgot the picture like a retard.
>>76038841The fact that the 'choose-your-own-furry' faction isn't one of the most popular really speaks volumes to just how bad the crunch has been up until now.
>>76038373Normally you'd need to know which faction is considered "nemesis", but as mix-fleet games weren't a thing in 1st ed, those tables never contained a precise list. Add the fact their lore seems to keep being angled as "angery furries who want to kill everyone approaching them" that was created in a setting that still operated on free-for-all, and the table might as well be a big fat square of red "Not Even to Avoid Extinction".
>>76038888>>76038875>angular, triangular facings and planesAnon that's pretty much spot on for what I was picturing, just everything also has wings becuase they go hard on 'fighters r cool' and thus everything has wings to some extent.The shit youre putting out is amazing man.
>>76038841>>76038904But at least we know you can breed them, right?Still, your point was called out in an earlier thread, even.>Not to defend furries (I'm pretty sure they weren't even the appeal in the first place), but what kind of dev would willingly turn away furrybux? Even ignoring that, they left so much on the table with them.
>>76034353Bless ye, anon! It's beautiful. Feels like /tg/ actually gets shit done.
>>76038338>Did the sun ever forgive us?I assume you're talking about the infamous Sun Gate and if you're asking if it forgave humanity I'd say no.>Legends tell that ancient Man built a series of Gateways and one of these was the one that brought our forefathers to Andromeda.>Your fathers and their forefathers built a Ring around the first star they reached when they came to Andromeda and that first Star they called the New Sun. They used it to contact the vast empire they left behind and spitting forth from this Gate came a mass exodus of souls looking for new prospects in this new home.>But they did not come in peace these Men of the Milky Way.They burned Andromeda's worlds,killed it's people and stole it's wealth.They angered Great Andromeda and one day Andromeda vented it's fury upon them.>The First Sun,Solaris Primus, exploded and so did the Great Gate destroying the first colony of men and leaving them isolated for their sins so very far from home.Anon it's right in the first paragraph of the Tyar Codex Astra.
>>76037773Ooc they're supposed to be frigates, or frigate-equivalents. Smallest ships that aren't fighters, bombers or drones.
>>76038930[Spoiler] Cool. I figure the wings are kinda stubby and get smaller the bigger the ship to help communicate scale. All of my experiments with putting wings on capships that aren't "That's a D7" come out looking stupid, but we can give it a go. previous picture printed the best when I shapeway's it, of all my prior projects. Pic once more related.[/spoiler]>>76038956Thanks man. I try. I can't thank the anon doing the sketches enough, though, that's what really inspired me to get started. I'm not opposed to putting stuff I make for this up on my shapeways with the rest of my models if everyone likes it, but>I don't want to be a shill>I can't do my own test prints so I dunno how they'll come out>They're all based on stuff Drawfriend made the past few threads and I don't want to make money off of someone's art like that. says the man with a knockoff SOTS human armor destroyer in his store
>>76038956I'm surprised that no one has made a 1d4chan page yet.With the new 8th Ed coming out we'll need one for all the new lore being released.>>76038927Still surprised that Andromedans and Planetborn don't have the nemesis trait. I know that the Tyar blunted the initial thrust of the Andromedan Empire's invasion but still the Planetborn fought a twenty year long war against them not even including the hatred they gained from the Draining of the population of Normus.
>>76039041Ooc showed it to a bunch of friends and so far the Avar,Mesekai and Verdant are the top favorites.Though Ppuk seen to have gained a decent female following.
>>76039060Anon I will buy all of your shit.
>>76039141Alright. That's about the most life affirming thing I've heard in a long time. It means a lot. I haven't sold anything through or updated my Shapeways page in a long time, but here you go. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/durendal5150I'll start working on putting this new stuff up.In the interest of full disclosure>How much does Anon get paid if I buy his shit?Somewhere between $0.5 and $1 USD per item, pretty much. If I ever do very large items, it may be more. Items that were custom for specific people may have had higher markups as opposed to commission fees.>Some of this shit is kinda jankIt's been awhile. I'll probably update things before too long if there's interest>Your pegholes suck/don't existI can't ever get them the right size, so I'm transitioning to just leaving flat spaces where you can drill your own. >I want something specific that doesn't exist yetExplain it and I'll think about it. I'm slow and unmotivated so there probably won't be a lot of updates. If I ever finish an entire faction, it'll be a miracle.>Aren't you that faggot that posts about the giant elves?I do other stuff.
>>76039108Ooc thanks guys, can't stress it enough.What was in my head while designing these guys:>Zeckir: Islamic calligraphy wrapped around an organic-ish core>Ppuk: chunk of cancerous metal>Thukker: space truck + orkish flair, long engines because I'm thinking it's very hazardous or radioactive and the Thukks can't into proper rad shielding - might want to redo this>Necroseers: how would a brutalist skeleton look like? Also probably gonna redo this>Voidborn: fuck yeah grav-rings, also looms since spider = weaver>Mesekai: how do I turn a squat toad into a ship>Absolute States: was initially made to be Concordant Moons but an anon in-thread said something about their ships looking like a pagoda, so these went to the AS>Andromedans: geometric crystal stuff>Swarm: bootleg Zerg but more crustacean>Concordant Moons: aforementioned pagodas, also a bit of weebish influence>Tyar: half-hearted not!IoM, might redo>Mycenoids: mushroom jellyfish mass>Avar Monarchy: crescent really alien ships>Planetborn: starship troopers box with spinal cannon>Ashen: spooky scary skeletons>Mresh: steampunk in spess>Kyrax: bee movie but ship, also carrier>Verdant: lotus engines, pineapplish body, buds for weapons>Emerald Nova: fuck, I knew I missed someone!Critique on the ships would be nice too
>>76039449It's excellent work. People in my discord have enjoyed it all too. As for comment/critique>Zeckir: I love this one. Enigmatic space shapes are one of my deals>Ppuk: The texture is cool. Gives a sort of stone pillar vibe.>Avar: Basic but in a good way. Very "90's RTS space aliens.">Planetborn: Very iso-standard spaceship, but the balance of detail is strong>Void Born: Can't go wrong with rings. The spindly bits may be hard to model strongly>Mesekai: truth be told I don't have any strong feelings about this one. The shape of the engine block is suggestive of limbs. I wonder if these guys want arms on their ships>Absolute States: I love this thing. Vertical ships are underrated, but hard to pull off. Think you did.>Thukker: I like these as they are. It's like...orks, but by means of hard sci-fi freighter design>Necroseers: Agree with the redo, alas. I can see where you're coming from but zero felt impact>Kyrax: Honeycomb launch bay in the middle of a bee is dumb in the best possible way. Definitely towards the front of the pack.>Verdant: This gives me an R-Type kind of vibe, in a positive way. Like one of the bio-corrupted fighters from Final.>Concordant Moons: Seems like a solid take on gundam-esque ship design.>Tyar: No strong feelings, definitely lacks a cohesive 'image' of any kind. Greeble to content ratio is bad.>Mycenoids: "What if Kadeshi mushroom head ships were actually mushrooms?" Dunno why I didn't think of this earlier.(cont)
>>76039710>Ashen: I'd say it's very stock bioship, but that axe head is really selling it for me>Mresh: Megaman Legends Steam Junker Cat Ship was an instant favorite elsewhere. Everyone loves this.>Andromedans: Engimatic crystal spikeship is an aesthetic I use in my own setting and I'm honor-bound to like it. I like the trailing length of it>Swarm: No big impact but that's personal bias and I know it. Solidly executed regardless.That's my take for each. As a whole, I think they're largely very well composed, with strong faction identity and possibilities, and only the Tyar one feels like it's drowning in greeble. The ones I've worked on so far have been very fun to realize into 3d as well. With my only complaint being that there's too much detail for Shapeways to render in what I conceive of as frigate size, but that's neither here nor there. While I've got you here, are you cool with my uploading my renditions of them there? I can not, not mark them up so I don't get paid for them, or we can work something out. Not that I expect to ever accrue more than five lifetime dollars in any case. At the very least it'd be good to attribute the inspiration to a name, but that's all up to you.
>>76039719It's cool yo, Shapeways-wise. A name credit would be fine, I hope it sells! :B
>>76039782I need a name for that my man. Unless "IndonesianGentlemen" is good enough for you. (It took me this long to notice you were labeled.)
>>76036498>Not wanting to be used by the Necroseers>Not wanting to understand the secrets of life and death>Not wanting to have an undying existence where you plunder the stars. Choosing which to kill and who to save. Anon as a Necroseer sensor you interpret the signals of the universe for the Necroseers. You have the ultimate choice in who will be the target of your vessels night weapons. What can be more chad than that?>tfw you use your deathsight to ignore a Blindships meager ewar capability and your night batteries blow it straight to Necra
Tell me about Fleet formations anons. Do you like your frigates up front with capital support or your battleships on the main line with Pike class Destroyers behind?
This curvey lad is proving more difficult than I anticipated, but I'm learning some tricks as I go.
So I just started reading 'Verdant. First contact'. Here's my first impression on the characters so far, starting with the Verdants, then Andromedans, then everyone else.>Woodfather Ygdrys from before he died chronologically. A wise old living forest who also seems to be senile, since he assigns a psycho as their ambassador. I guess we will find out how he got assassinated and by who.>Spriggaria is obviously crazy, why is SHE the Verdant ambassador? It makes no sense. I get she's prominent in Verdant lore and did a lot of cool things, but still. Makes Nyxa look rational in their talks.>Blossum is a total cutie, 10/10 would date. She's like the only character who doesn't have screws loose in this. Why is she not the ambassador? I've seen her name before, so she obviously lives past the events of this story.>Nyxa is a bitch, but entertaining. She seems to have a relatively stable head, as she's trying to engage in proper diplomacy, even though it's clear as day and night that she really don't want to be talking with the veggies when she could just declare war instead.>Ezor is literally Hitler reimagined as a red andromedan, and the story makes a big deal out of how he's one of the few negative andromedans who isn't batshit insane. Seeing how he also hates all non-blue and non-red andromedans>Kyos seems to be the only andromedan who doesn't want to genocide everyone else, trying to get Nyxa to sign a truce with the Verdants. Prediction time; he's going to die at some point because canonically there was no truce and I think this is the first time I heard of this character.>Ryox, captain of Nyxa's guardian army, has done nothing so far. As far as I can tell, all he does is walk next to her and just stand there menacingly while she speaks.>Lucas is a Planetborn simp simping for Spriggaria because simphood.>Brogg must have fucked up to get captured by Verdant before these eventsI can already guess that hell is about to break loose in the coming chapters.
>>76039829Yeah, that's fine by me, and also shows that namefagging don't really mean a thing on tg, and that's good.
>>76040905Nope. I only care because I'm a stickler about attributing shit I borrow this directly. And on that noteAbsolute States Frigate is real. Got my best attempt at those high powered lensed plasma casters. (barrel fags btfo) Maybe you run a bunch of these and you won't have the trouble with "muh bombers can't get through" you were bitching about in the first thread this week, people. Assault frigates are just big fuckoff bombers, use them as such.https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/as-ff-5d9d033f63bf4ce1a985d6ca00f83935
>>76037977Not exactly. Andromedans are beings made from energy while the Ashen are made from ash (naturally formed nanomachines).
>>76041449I forgot the fucking engine fins. Oh well. Here's the beginnings of an Emerald Nova Frigate before I call it a night.
>>76040562Not gonna spoil anytjing, but their heavy-handed foreshadowing is everywhere. Expect shit to go down very quickly (and sometimes in vary obvious ways), and to see Brogg, Lucas and another human be somewhat relevant down the line.
>>76039449>looms/weaving>Voidborn can weave gravity like a spider weaves it's webYoooo
>>76040023I like my frigates and corvettes to be very much in front with the capital support. It's the only way I can apparently get the dices to not troll me.
>>76039449Alternative idea for Ashen: Jagged volcanic rocks
>>76044718 I'm the guy who made the ashen. I had them in mind as something between necrons and vodyani in style. Tho the axe head design should stay. Giving them some sort of volcanic theme might still fit tho. How about making their ships engulfed in a cloud of firey ash? Also Natural and untouched Ashen ash looks like either volcanic rock or volcanic ash.
>>76037550Truly, the barbaric faction.Seriously though, they're a bit too angular abd precise for my tastes m8. Might wajt to redo those.
>>76040562>tfw Nyxa tells the Woodfather she wants to "drain him dry" and he drops his main trunk for herGod this book has so many hilarious moments.
Hey anons I don't know if Tableforge has given us a definitive answer In the lore but what music do all the factions listen to?
>>76046853Nova are classic rock, classical orchestra and classical guitar.Andromedans listen to synthwave slowed down 90000%Ppuk listen to Rammstein only.
Tell me about the Moons. Why are they such lunatics?
>>76047045People who trusts AI in general are lunatics, as it shows they haven't learned anything from the Vita Stars Rebellion.
>>76046954Ppuk listening to Rammstein only clashes with the traditional aesthetic of 90s punk that defined them once they became their own faction. And yes, I know half the artwork in their first naval roster was stuff that had been rejected by White Wolf redone to add cyborg bits, but it still counts. Alternately, not only do they only listen to Rammstein, they only listen to Du Hast.
>>76047325We're all living in ConcordiaIst wunderbar.
So yesterday was moving day for me. I was stuck for 8 hours waiting on the estate agent to drop off my keys, so I finally got around to reading "You Can Never Go Home." (Not a Ppuk player, the title just spoke to me)It was pretty good. I was probably emotional since I was leaving my home for over ten years, but it brought more than one tear to my eye. If you have a copy, I recommend reading it. It'll change how you think about the Ppuk.But for those of you who never scored the promotional paperback or just can't be bothered, some spoiler-y cliff notes for you:Freshly cloned Ppuk custodian wakes aboard a brand new Heritage capital ship. Just happy to be able to help, they spend their days polishing floors, lubricating servos, unclogging nutrient vapor-nozzles.Oh, a light-bulb needs replacing? Good thing we have ten billion spares. Sure can't imagine ever running out!Years pass, ship encounters a hostile Concordant destroyer. Destroyer gets vaporized, but a lucky torpedo takes a bite out of the ship's armor. For the first time, the Ppuk crew are worried. There's no spare armor plating and nobody knows how to replicate it.Desperate, they decide to use what's left of the Concordant destroyer to patch up the damage. A fresh coat of paint and you'd never notice it...Decades later, the ship gets in its first real fight with an Andromedan cruiser. Ship sustains serious damage. Our hero discovers their favorite bulkhead door (CR-48) was busted in the fight.Can't have that! Better cut the nerves out of my arm and use those to replace the faulty wiring!More years, more battles. Impossible to properly polish the floors because they're too uneven from all the different repair jobs. Only a few hundred spare light-bulbs left. Our hero is running out of limbs and organs to use as spare parts. Oh, hey, an Avar Monarchy royal barge! We can use them! Why are they screaming as we weld them into the walls? Don't they realize how helpful they'll be?
>>76047391Concordia, ConcordiaAI slaves ist wunderbar
>>76047552It's impossible to know how long it's been. There are no more light-bulbs, everything is dark. The ships is a maze of salvaged metal and flesh. A great battle rages outside, but our hero doesn't care, the servos in bulkhead door CR-48 need lubricating. Out of oil, but blood works fine.The ships collides with something, our hero is sucked through a breach and flung into space.They see the ship in its entirety for the first and last time. It is dying; fire boils out from the scars in its hull. To our hero, they have never seen anything so beautiful.Darkness.They wake aboard a different ship. There is no time to mourn, this new home needs fixing. Perhaps it still even has spare light-bulbs?The endless toil keeps our hero content, but every now and then they find themselves taking a wrong turn, only to realize that they were lost in the memory of their first ship, the home they can never return to.It has been too long to parse. They have moved from ship to ship to ship so many times that they have lost count. Nearly every part of them has been sacrificed, replaced and replaced again. They feel empty. All that is left of them is their need to work.They snap from their fugue state. They are standing before a familiar door. It opens. Beyond, they see the corridors of their first ship. Memories of that simpler, happier time wash over them. They know it cannot be real, that what's lost is lost. They know they cannot go home. They step through anyway.
>>76046853>>76046954>>76047325Speaking for myself, when I think Ppuk, I think Linkin Park's "Burn it down." If feels a little sad, a little defiant and a little synth-y.I'm also not a music aficionado, so feel free to flush my opinions out the airlock with all the Mycenoid spores.
Where are my space barbarian bros at?
>>76046853Thukkers listen to Screamo and Punk Rock, probably with speakers that are liable to produce visible shockwaves while in use that can male a human bleed through the ears and a lot of aliens keel over with a killer headache.Tyar listen to Opera, Mozartcore, and maybe Smooth Jazz. It's the only way to match theor being.Absolute States? I would be inclined to say they'd listen to Space Country, where your GMO pet has decided to up and steal your beloved spaceship to go parts unknown; but more seriously, Hair Metal or Goa Techno seem to be both good fits.
>>76047552>>76047650I'm not too keen on the overwhelming focus of the lizard Ppuk that we've been seeing, nor the direction they're taking with them. I get that they're the originators of Ppuk society, but it's been long established canon that they're massively outnumbered by the amount of other species who have joined up over the years. On top of that, ever since about halfway through 7e they've been uniformly characterized as basically a bunch of autistic gimp cyborgs capable of little else but maintenance when prior they, while somewhat inscrutable on a personal level, had their own recognizable personalities, motivations, and goals on an individual level. "The Bleak Caravel" had a lizard Ppuk artist cohabitating with a Mitriod Ppuk, and "Order is Strength" had a lizard Ppuk cloned by the Tyar who, while showing an inherent predilection for communalistic and task-oriented behavior, was culturally indistinct from the rest of the Tyar characters. I think it's part of the concerted effort since 4e to make the game less human-centric, but it really feels like they're throwing out long established and loved lore only to replace it with something subpar.
How do you guys feel about the new Battlegrounds 6mm range that Tableforge is releasing?I hear Thukker and Planetborn are going to be the starter factions for it. Should be giving some more love to the Neptunian Wars timeline. I'm just hyped to actually see some ground figs, I know we've been hearing in the lore about Thukker Machete Type LandRams and BattleRigs since 1st but It'll be nice actually getting some models>>76037550Sabertusks are going to be a big focus. I know Droong FellBite, leader of their largest Warhost,is supposed to be one of the starting Commanders in the box along with General Ewan Kelly of the UPGF.I'm a little rusty on my Neputunian Wars lore so it'll be nice to finally get some fluff updates. Pictured here is a Blue Destiny force that they teased the new set with.
>>76048231I mean, I get why they're doing that: they don't want to use too many humans, are there are plenty of human factions, and, at the same time, they don't want to bother with the logistics of the many "starfish aliens" that are only mentioned and barely seen becoming, well, the Ppuk. So they resort to have the founder species be overrepresented comapred to fluff.Besides, I can't imagine how a Necroseer-derived or Goji-born or Duya-extracted Ppuk would look like.
>>76049092>How do you guys feel about the new Battlegrounds 6mm range that Tableforge is releasing?It was about damn time. The format was forgotten for way, way too long, now maybe I'll get to play more than one game a year against more varied opponents than the same two-three Absolute States and Necroseers dudes raping my Mesekai Battlegroup, plus that Thukken autist who uses Epic-scale Ork vehicles as proxies.
>>76049094Yeah, but humans have always made up a fairly significant depiction of Ppuk and a major theme has been the transhumanist and cybernetic obsessives/cults joining up/working with the Ppuk. Having them suddenly be nothing but autistic robot janitors invalidates over 20 years of fluff and the overwhelmingly vast majority of their lore. Also Necroseers are just Ppuk with more rot and more straight lines in their architecture. Ppuk trying to get their hands on intact and functioning Necroseer cybernetics has been the major drive for their conflicts since 3e.
>>76048231>"The Bleak Caravel" had a lizard Ppuk artist cohabitating with a Mitriod Ppuk,You're describing Recognizers. Recognizers (which they introduced in.... 2/3rd edition) were basically Ppuk that had "Recognized" the Heritage weren't coming back for them, and were more about integrating with other civilizations instead of relying on the few remaining Hollow Suns to churn out new ships.They don't see a lot of love, however, since almost nobody fields them. I think it's because, visually, their fleets don't have as clear an aesthetic as regular Ppuk. Recognizer ships are basically just <other faction's ship> + cancer, while traditional Ppuk always have the underlying Heritage aesthetic.
>>76049560Recognizers are a faction within Ppuk politics. You're talking about the Courtiers who basically attach themselves to other civilizations and are sometimes used as go-betweens.
>>76049637Semantics much?Sure, if you go by the lore, it's Courtiers, but the Courtiers are essentially the "Get Shit Done" arm of the Recognizers anyway.(And at least in the 2nd ed book, the blockade squadrons were called Ppuk Recognizers, not Courtiers. Just saying.)
>>76049560>>76049637I mean, Recognizers, from what I've read, aren't well-liked by other, more autistic Ppuks. Courtiersare a faction that helps them out, but that's more because they understand that the Ppuk themselves are at an hair's breadth from being hunted down due to their not-exactly-accepted practice of raiding barges for "spare parts" and actual goods to preserve Heritage ships, which would do them all no good no matter hwo strongly they believe in the Heritage's return or not.
>>76040562Nyxa, Mother of Dust, kinda holds the book together herself. Practically nothing moves forward without her say-so, the Verdants and even the other Andromedans feel like they're at her whimsy; it's almost like she's intentionally stringing people along just to see how they act and get a read on them. It's a showcase of her true guile and why she's such a central Andromedan character throughout the years.
>>76045073>>76044718>>76039710>>76039719Right, redone ships. What do you guys think?
>>76050061N'bad. I think the Ashen look much better and more distinctive. The Tyar missile box look is also pretty recognizable. As well as that underslung bridge. That'll be fun to work on.The Necroseers...There's elements there I like a lot, the shape of the pods, the ribs, the prow detail, but at the same time it doesn't really click right away. It doesn't have the clear identity of the others, but since it's the only one that doesn't it may not matter much. I'd hold out for another opinion because I'm pretentious, though.
>>76050061Liking the Necroseers. Glad you kept the "ribs," they fit the brutalist aesthetic pretty well.Ashen is definitely better, but I did like the sorta-organic touches of the original. Since I don't play Ashen, I'll defer to the other anons on that though.Tyar is promising. It has a sorta-upside down vibe that I wouldn't mind seeing explored further.So yeah, great work!Any interest in tackling a Hertiage ship? (They're what most older Ppuk ships start off as.)
>>76040562I am still convinced that Ezor exists solely to justify Andromeda vs Andromeda mirrors with his wacky plans to create the mythical purple andromedan master race by merging blues and reds together.
>>76050217Because of course there's a "renegade mad scientist" angle to it.
>>76018207Why is no one talking about the Concordant Moons new Eclipse Genesis summon?I haven't seen something so broken since the god cards in yu-gi-oh.
>>76050723>SummonBecause nobody is shelling out $120 for a model they get to *maybe* use for three turns out of eight, anon.
>>76050835Alright, fair enough. But in principle Os-well the waned hound is bull-shit.
>>76049750Courtiers aren't the "get shit done" arm of the Recognizers, they're the "Arnold Hasburg is a sperg and needs extensive and pointless in-universe justifications for mixed fleet lists at Fleet Command level play lest he have another screaming fit because he doesn't understand the concept of people having fun" group.>>76050001>two lines of backstory in 1e>a single unit (whose models didn't even depict a lizardperson) in 2e>5 editions of the remnants of a servant race to the Heritage, transhumanist and alien equivalent cults, cybernetic fetishists, and the desperate and downtrodden of all species who have banded together trying to brute force their way to apotheosis any way they can with a sweet crustpunk meets Tetsuo: the Iron Man aesthetic>lol they're just copy paste lizard autists in codpieces
>>76050061Ooh I like em
Legoanon here; ships will have to wait more than a single night.
>>76051528>a single unit (whose models didn't even depict a lizardperson) in 2eDid you forget to thin your paints when you painted your figurines? They totally had scales. That wasn't their armor, either, because you can plainly see that some of them have their sleeves rolled up and the scales are beneath it.
>>76052745 Fair enough, takebyour time.
>>76052750Everyone knows that those models were originally created for Concordant Thrall Troopers before they were removed from the forces roster and repurposed because the Ppuk were last minute additions. Ppuk explicitly had tails and snouts in both the 1e description blurb and the actual artwork for 2e.
>>76050217>>76050430The Ezor Collective subfaction arguably made Andromedans fun for ground combat though. It's not often you see armored energy beings in science fiction, or motherfucking nanotechnology based cyborg energy aliens for that matter.
>>76050723Summons? Wut? Is this an old name for some mechanic?
>>76055114Pretty sure it's just a fancy name for a specific teleportation slash deployment mechanic exclusive to the Moons.
>>76038930Took everything you said to heart and my prior work as inspiration. I wanted to capture that 'wings' look without just making them airplanes. What do you think of this? https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/en-ff-ae089717c79e409f83013e9d59d5fe3e>>76052745Take your time. Good work so far.>>76055114He's talking about offboard/elite reserves. I can understand you missed them. It's basically like flash missiles or other "off board" cards except you get a ship to show up instead of missiles or support packages or whatever. Except nobody uses them because the balance is kind of fucky.It's supposed to represent being on the short list for support from elite forces and characters that aren't allowed in normal fleets, but the roll for them actually showing up is so bad they're not worth even the discounted points most of the time.Unless you're really excited about eleventh-hour asspulls.
>>76055238Looks a bit akin to old school retro rocket designs and that's fucking radical, I love it.
>>76055114>blessed anon never had his entire front line telefragged by lucky rolls.
>>76055544>I didn't take telescramblers, they're a waste of points!t. tourneyfag>>76055440Aces. I thought I was onto a winning look there. I'm thinking larger ships have the winglet on a top pylon instead so it hangs over the bridge a bit and gives them a 'protected' sort of image.
>>76055614Alternatively, below the ship so there's a protected 'space' to be where their hangar bays are in fluff.Either way, shit's super cool man
>>76055238I'm not going to lie, I'm imagining lots of JJ Abrams lens flare off this thing.>>76055614>wasting that many points to stop a tactic that has a 30% success rate at the best of timesYou're better off slipping a couple of counter or negative modifier cards into your deck.
>>76055734 Can do both for carriers, integrate the bottom 'wing' as the landing strip on them. Cruisers have top wing, frigates and DDs have bottom, CLs and such have both. I like visual role shorthand like that.>>76055752 Could work. I'm imagining it matte green with maybe yellow elson stripes and nose art. JJflares are for Absolute States smoothships above, imo>Just to stop telefraggingWell there's your problem. It also stops teleboarding and those fucking Concordant telebombs, as well as disallowing the blink-dodges on Zekir and Concordant elite fighters within its AoE. Also note that ships that try to arrive in the scramblers AoE are positioned outside of it *by you* not their owner. It doesn't come up every single game, but if you're not building meta lists, I still think it's worth.Or you can build a meta list and guard against telefragging with cards. How exciting, yes.
>>76056064The cards also work against teleboarding (even thought it's a complete fucking meme) and telebombs. Plus being able to scatter, or prevent entry, is much better than repositioning. It's not meta lists, it's just a better option for the points cost and likelihood of dealing with teleportation. Also,>post 5e meta>decks
>>76056483>Blocks your path
>>76056483>The cards also work against teleboarding (even thought it's a complete fucking meme)I don't know, up until the misprint allowing universal anchorless personal teleports was patched, it was great for giving use to Thukken Assault Hogs and Boarding Boars and Verdant Vibestramglers; and make Mycenoids absolute monsters. Now those teleporters are limited to Concordat, Planetborn, Mesekai and Tyar, which sucks on ice...
So this a miniature-based wargame or card game?
>>76056758Both. You can spend points to attach cards to specific ships to be activated later, or a premium on some to keep in your hand and use on any ship.
>>76056703Yeah, if your strategy was only great because of a printing error it's not something you should count on. I have no fucking idea why it took so long for them to errata it when you had teleport list builds for factions that lacked teleporters, even if it did make for a great fucking moment when that Thukker player got his entire naval list shot down on the national tourney livestream and threw a fit.
>>76056758It's a miniature based wargame with a card mechanic. However the game is fully playable without the cards and the general consensus among the threads have been that the cards themselves were never particularly popular with players and are slowly being downplayed by the company. Cards eat into your general points cost, but if you're running cards you only need a minimum deck of 15. For example >>76056674 will cost you 7 points and you're restricted to 3 in your deck.
>>76056703>>76057098>>76056859Yeah at least only Necroseers have teleporters that can break through shields which can be particularly nasty at close range. If your ship has a Necrofex Concordance on board you can teleport your entire crew,if you can call them that Necros are weird,onto on enemy vessel and if you can succeed in your boarding action you immediately control it as its hull is turned and disorted.It immediately gains the CHOSEN keyword and you may activate it and use it like any other ship in your fleet.It's super high risk but high reward and should only be used when your vessel is near crippled.Tableforge explained it as this.>Necroseers don't have traditional teleporters as such.No Necroseers teleport their very souls onto enemy vessels.Crewmen will soon have their skin blacken and fall off leaving bleached skulls as their spirits evacuate their body.The Necroseer do not merely hijack enemy vessels,they hijack the very souls of the ships and the beings that crew themooc anons what factions should we do lore on first? I say Blue Destiny should be worked on and then Tyar.
>>76058687I kind of want to know more about the voidborn, we know they're space dwelling shape-shifting spider things but lime what is their motivations? Their culture, etc
>>76059050>but lime what is their motivations? Their culture, etcWell ever since they were exposed to limes given to them by the very first Zeckir traders the Voidborn havd always had a strange addiction to them. No one really knows if it was the strange but sweet flavor or the soft and supple texture. But the Voidborn have done some nasty things for their tangy delight. First bioengineering a race of Verdant especially for the consumption of the fruit but also raiding human worlds and Mresh Starforges for slaves to work these captured sentients.
>>76059050They're like if shoggoth's were made into the waifu faction. Oh and bonkers aoe damage in the form of their hollow ground mechanic.
>>76059562I thought Kyrax were the Designated Waifu Faction? I thought the Voidborn were some kind of mysterious spider people that would knit together ships.Though holy shit their hollow ground mechanic is broken. HOW CAN YOU TUNNEL UNDER MY FORCES WHEN WE'RE ON A SPACE STATION. Really needs an errata.
>>76059628I think it's not really actual tunnels but more like mini-wormhole tunnels. And fits with their lovecraftian halloween theme, thw tunnels are fluffed as 'gaping mawlike gravity voids' from which their boarders can freely attack from their ship.
>>76059628>>76059804Do you people really run without some form of gravity gear or weapons anywhere in your fleet? Gravimetric oscillators, fundamental force actualizers, magcomps, ripper engines, splatter decking, anything with a gravity tag can turn the tables on Voidborn's fuckery.
>>76059989I like to use the grav bomb card anon. You get a full ten inch circle where gravity is warped and distorted and all ships that travel within it have to roll on the structural integrity table to see if their ship holds up. And Voidborn of course take extra penalties to this as their hulls are meant for space only and not areas of intense gravity. It's always funny watching a pair of Star Widow cruisrr equivs get caught in the zone and collide together till you can't make out one ship from the other.>>76059804I think the novel "Diggers Below" mentioned that the tunnels were physically presen? Since the Tyar main character,Dr.Nobos, decides to investigate the lifestyle and breeding grounds of the Voidborn. Tyar aren't known for their knowledge of xenos so it could be just another case of Tableforge going "hurr durr Tyar retarded".
>>76060407At this point Tableforge should realize that large segments of their fanbase will take anything said in a novel as hard canon, even when it's made quite clear that the information is incorrect within the text.
>>76059562>waifu factionI mean the novels usually give them oddly endearing personalities but the physical descriptions are always emphasising how weird and creepy they look.
>>76059050It has been implied in a decent few novels that they are cousins of the Duy race that inhabits two solar systems within Absolute States' space. So, why there aren't called Duy neither in the fluff nor in the rules? Well, what we know about them is that they live exclusively live in space, using habitats and Sustain Ships as their only dwellings, and their legends say that their first habitat had been "filled with a great changing spirit", which some speculate, both in and out of universe, to be a sort of mutagenic radiation... though that wouldn't still explain how they got there. No, I don't want to believe "The Shield of Farrak" to be canon, them being possessed by an obsession to build that conveniently stopped a century before the current start of the timeline is stupid.Another theory says that they're the OTHER descendant race of the Heritage, and they're criminals that overrun their prisons when the Heritage polity fell. They survived only by radically changing their bodies, which made them quite loopy, which manifested in an unhealthy hatred of the ground and concieving the entirety of space to be theirs alone.
>>76059562>They're like if shoggoth's were made into the waifu faction.I mean, if you like to bend their capability to take many forms into Rule 34 "They can turn into big tiddy GF", then I suppose they are. I wouldn't.
>>76058687>I say Blue Destiny should be worked onOOC: I agree. Basic idea is that they're a pirate collective, right?
>>76062599Blue Destiny is the pirate faction, yes. The details may vary (original takes say they excel at boarding actions, but that's hard to say given the size of these ships and the lack of clarity on fleet numbers), but at their core, they are pirates. In a Civilization game, they'd be the nondescript barbarians, or in a space 4X, they'd be the NPC irritants who attack everyone, except these guys are moderately organized.
>>76062861It's yet unclear if they're just the rape/pillage/plunder type of typical pirate raiders, or if they're a full-on criminal cartel. If the latter, they'd be engaged in all types of activities: smuggling/trafficking, bootlegging, gambling, prostitution, drugs, guns-for-hire, the list goes on.
>>76062959I thik it's more down to 'your guys'Blue Destiny, more than any other faction, are open to interpretation.Is your particular crew the kind who just jump in, blow shit up, pillage the women and rape the money, then leave?Or are they a full on protectionist cartel, smuggling on the side?I think that's part of the appeal of BD, honestly.Also, more than anyone else, lets you make *literally any fleet comp* and have it be fluff friendly, which is nice.
>>76063048>I thik it's more down to 'your guys'This is correct. The Blue Destiny designer team even said so in an interview. Although there's an organized intergalactic pirate syndicate that they're technically a part of, all crews are fully autonomous, does not have to take orders from influencial Blue Destiny pirate lords, and can even happily attack other crews without incurring wrath from the rest of the faction.There's like TWO consistent traits shared across all Blue Destiny crews, and that's being space pirates and strong animosity toward Emerald Nova.
>>76063123Im not gonna lie, I have always loved that the Emerald Nova's nemeses (and vice versa) are the Blue Destiny.It's a nice symmetry.Fuck it's nice to have EN back, I'm looking forward to p o l i c e a c t i o n again.
>>76063123I would imagine Blue Destiny crews would be able to hire from the mercenary lists at a discount compared to other factions.
>>76063320Actually, I dunno. I'm not sure what would compel any given Ace to work for the pirates any cheaper than if they worked for any other faction.
>>76063333Oh when hiring to Blue Destiny they gain the "Disgraced" keyword, to kinda 'justify' things in fluff.It comes with some negatives if they're up against their home faction / other mercs, but also comes with some bonuses to ferocity as they try to win back their name.
>>76063048>>76062959>>76062861>>76063123Yeah i agree with anon. You should have to earn the "Blue Destiny" name by working for the greater syndicate from time to time but more than that each pirate Fleet should be unique with their own leader and aesthetic. They should be like the rebels in Dropfleet Commander where you have a bunch of cobbled together and modified ships backed up by some stolen military models. Where you can play either as Independents or Syndicalists. Where the Independents can take all types of strange tech and a fuckton of loadouts while the more organized pirates get access to more stolen ships and homegrown Mechs. I do think have Mechs as like a type of super strikecraft option is pretty cool. Maybe the Mechs were originally large EVA platforms for asteroid mining that the Pirates modified with reactors engines and guns? Seems like that could be a plausible explanation for how they got them.
>>76065135So Strike Suit Zero style mechs?
>>76065135I wouldn't put it precisely like that, but I like the idea of each pirate as master of their own destiny.That said, why are the pirates the only ones noted to have actual mech suits?
>>76065374I'd say they'd go more the Zeon approach for having Mechs in space combat. Like using Battle of Loum tactics where Mechs are used as a force multiplier to get in range where capital ship main weapons can't hit them. I feel like they'd have developed more than just simple EVA models by now, at least some of the larger pirate groups.>>76065725Well which other factions would really use them? I think it makes sense for Pirates to have manned mech suits.Because they're gonna be outnumbered and outgunned against any real military force they'd want to scrape together any real advantage they can,trading numbers for firepower and durability. Now land Mechs is another question entirely I think most factions would have some kind of walker.
>>76065725I hope Tableforge dont proliferate mechs in the setting, honestly.It sort of makes sense as weaponised EVA suits for the Blue Destiny since they cant necessarily get their hands on military strike craft so easily.
>>76065996>Well which other factions would really use them? I think it makes sense for Pirates to have manned mech suits.Why not other humanoids, like the Tyar? You can't tell me "only those wily pirates managed to crack the code on how to use exosuits in combat, nevermind exosuits in space. Those pirates must have more rocket scientists then the Absolute States to pull that one off." Come the fuck on.
>>76066296Strike craft would work infinitely better since they don’t have pointless extraneous bits/parts.No one else would bother with them in space.
>>76066379And yet BD players keep referring to them as "super strikecraft," like they're somehow inherently better than regular fighters.
>>76066393I mean they can call them what thy want - the advantage is that they’re cheap and in large numbers versus strike craft.The only people who can field as many strike craft are Nova and ‘so many fighters’ is pretty much their entire *thing*.Kyrax too, but their strike drones are a sort of mid point between BD’s adapted repair mechs and normal strike craft from what I understand.
>>76066474So, what, BD capitals are just glorified carriers for ersatz-fighter mechs that are somehow intended to make it inside an enemy capital's "dead zone" to wreak havoc?
>>76066564And in numbers greater than nearly any other naval force can reasonably put out?Who the fuck on the BD design team has been watching so much Gundam?
>>76066564BD in general are less powerful than their direct opposition, but they have lots of numbers, versatility from no real nemesis preventions on Mercs, illegality options and upgrades, and low point cost.Ship for ship, a Nova squadron or a Tyar bship or a Ppuk screamer are all better at their job; but BD paid less and have more other ships too.
>>76066799Are there really that many pirates out there that they can just throw bodies at anything?
>>76066841Consider how big populations are man.Plus, most factions pirates can draw from are pretty hellish in some way or another - lots of reasons to leave home and seek fortune and glory in the stars.
>>76066841>>76066871And of course that’s not to mention the Press-Ganged variant rule you can choose which basically lowers costs even further in return for debuffs from captured, pressganged or slave crews.More fluff value thancombat value honestly but still something to consider.
>>76066841You'd be surprised to know how many of the little folk that civilization factions like Absolute States, Tyar, Concordant Moons, Planetborn, Avar, Emerald Nova and Zeckir has pissed off.
>>76066841I mean, the dregs of society must go SOMEWHERE, especially when it comes to Concordat Moons expelling criminals from their territory or Avars that didn't make the connection between "exile planets" and increased piracy in the sector those were in until they basically lost their homeworld.
>>76066474Now Planetborn get a nice mix of manned and drone strikecraft.Except their drones are more just chaff to take hits for their manned fighters and multiroles.The manned fighters are the real heart of a Planetborn carrier fleet.I'd say Nova are top for strikecraft,then Planetborn and then Kyrax.
>>76067767Fuck forgot image
>>76035255Now I think about it I love the idea of Nova Propaganda depicting even their lowliest soldiers as the chaddest of chads while depicting outlaws and pirates as cowardly and ugly rats.
>>76066911>>76067143>>76067529>>76066841I think anon means by manpower is skilled man power. Because sure you can have these massive pirate boarding parties and deck crews but it's not like any of them will know how to operate weapons systems or strikecraft.Also I do like how Concordant Moon's criminals can have their own Blue Destiny A.I. Pirate fleets.I think it was a great moment of lore to have A.I. adopting 17th Century Pirate personas.
>>76068516>that one A.I. Blue Destiny captain that suffered from a malfunction and hit a delusion glitch that makes it think that it's literally Edward Teach himself in the flesh and sailing on the black sea of hell populated by rival pirates, the royal navy and monstersGod that one is so hilarious.
Hey anons does it ever seem to you like the human factions came from some sort of caste based precursor civ?>Planetborn:Unaugmented workers>Nova Emerald:Law enforcement and peace keepers>Absolute States:Hyper augmented. Military.>Tyar Imperium: Ruling faction Does this make sense anons? I just don't know how to fit Zeckir into this theory...
>>76068699Reading up on the lore, seems less class-based and more ideology based. Splintering because of differences in thinking within an empire/faction.
>>76068699>>76068763It seems more like it's ideology-based. Planetborn is about keeping humans fully human and not evolve beyond that.Tyar seeks to go beyond its own fleshy boundaries in a technical way; while Zeckir wants to trascend and go beyond this world with spirituality alone. Absolute States are about integrating in the wider community of the Galaxy, as opposed to the more isolationist factions.Dunno about Emerald Nova, they sound like "generic space policy attached to no one".
>>76068827Nova are a weird mish mash of isolationist and interventionist.They’ve got involved in a lot of other people’s wars over things they consider ‘atrocities’ - but internally they achieved a happy status quo long ago as they see it, and aren’t keen on changing it and god help you if you try to force them to.They’re usually happy in diplomacy with the more sane factions.Except when pushed to the brink by the Ashen and the Mycelial infestations, of course. They seeem to be back from that in new edition though.
>>76068633>The Emerald Nova captain hunting him attaches Solar sails to his cruiser and challenge him to an exchange of broadsides >Even has his crew paint a massive union jack on the side>A.I inhabits a humanoid android armed with a hunk of armor plating sharpened to resemble a cutlass and the two duel to the death aboard the New New New Queen Anne's Revenge I don't think I was ever more erect.
>>76069025So they're like slightly more sane Space Dredds?
>>76069066Except up against the wall, yeah.Theyve gone from ‘Dredd being lenient and the crimes are actual crimes’ all the way up to ‘40k Inquisition does 1984’, but that was pretty out of character for them, and a time the height of war and infestation.So hopefully the writers don’t go that route again.
>>76069155Didn’t word that right - I meant they’re usually the former but have previously gone so far as the latter. New edition pins them at the former agains.
>>76069155>>76069166Well makes sense after the Ashen Invasion of 3500 SDE the Nova population were forced into the few remaining worlds they had left. Crime was rampant amongst the survivors as they fought each other for the few resources they had left. So yeah the Nova were forced to kill any criminals they had as their simply was no space to hold them.
>>76066393>>76066474>>76066564BD mechs require the use of launch pods if you want to deploy them any further than immediate range from your capital ships. They have excellent maneuverability and decent weapons slots, but their speed is abysmal and hull points non-existent. "Super strikecraft" is a meme centered around a single mech focused build, and even then technically the super strikecraft in question would be the half dozen assault carriers kitted out for pure survivability needed to pull it off.
>>76069434Yeah, Nova were up against the wall like motherfuckers at that point.Made sense considering they got squatted that edition, but it was still sad to see.Their new lore seems to indicate that they've bounced back from that and moved back towards their previous state - someone was saying last thread that some of the more authoritarian and iron-fist leaders were done away with.
>>76039372>https://www.shapeways.com/shops/durendal515Just buying my first Planetborn Orion class right now anon.Will post when it arrives.
>>76069903>Their new lore seems to indicate that they've bounced back from that and moved back towards their previous state - someone was saying last thread that some of the more authoritarian and iron-fist leaders were done away with.Yeah that might be what the Remnant Fleet is shaping up to be.I know that the Nova have been building a pretty large fleet using all the refugees as manpower. Place your bets anons:Nova or Ashen Fleets who's gonna get shit on more?We really need some writefags here to write some stories of the first Ashen Walk. I'd do it myself but my bones are frail and fingers tired of being in your mother.
>>76070115Fuck I hadn't even thought of that.Remnant as some super hardline Nova-inspired villains could be really interesting.I'm a writefag but in the middle of moving so I've barely time to shitpost, let alone write some things out.If the threads are still alive next week when I'm settled you better believe I'll be on it.
Do we have a proper OP for the next thread?
>>76070328I think just Distant Broken Stars General /dbsg/. Make some fake links and a fake Mega if you want to get the full effect. Definitely include all the factions we have so far.
>>76069924Rad. Thanks anon. I'm just glad people like the things. OOCSo I can't keep all the factions intended doctrines and capabilities straight at once. Would you kind anons be so gracious as to help me fill in this sheet? >https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/104xl48O5OiWc_idDYP_z_Tj0x4emRxt7avD1Z_DpooI/edit#gid=0Basically, I'm just looking for ship names/concepts to fill in the fleets. I'll mangle them however I have to to fit IndonesianGentleman's aesthetic work he's so graciously given us. Just comment cells with ideas or art links and I'll keep futzing with them. This is genuinely a lot of fun. I have labeled the factions based on my confidence I can actually accomplish their aesthetic in sketchup though. Don't learn sketchup kids. it's easy and intuitive, but it's a garbage program that barely works and all the skills are non-transferable. It will train you wrong as a joke and make learning real software ten times harder.
>>76068699OOC My personal, subjective, unprofesional idea for the setting of human based factions. >Setting based on our universe.>In the far ish future a big event (Neutron star) forced humanity to go on and leave ut's solar sistem. Due to panic and that Earth was on a cyberpunk-ish moment, the "GET OUTTA HERE" was a free for all.Now faction lore:>Absolute States: Big Bussiness that cooperated, once settled on planets, to avoid revolutions, instaured a social class sistem similar to todays china "social score" and feudal china/japan class divisions. Mostly technocratic autocrats, The Monarch appeared, forcing all near colonies to be integrated. Not xenophilic but alien sentient species are permanently on the lowest class>Nova Emerald: Once a free for all anarcho capitalist utopia, once set up, ended up being a war hellzone. Once the bloodlust ended, they went full 180°. First a socialist coalition, working to protect humanity from itself, due to fear monguering on other Transhumanist factions they ended up as a police state. As long as they dont bother, aluens are ignored, force intregration of human colonies with the excusecof "Protecting Humanity of Itself".>Tyar imperium: First human colonies that dealed with the Myceiald infestations, what was a happy pro-techno advance society went full "flesh is weak" with extra greed for more resources to advance. Milutaristic xenophobics, more interested on resources than people, have some minor "independent" colonies with "give me your goodies and you'll be free to rule yourselves".(1/?)
>>76070408OOC:Hey its a me, anon>Zeckir multiple colonies, most of them light years appart, that worked on biological augmentation via DNA study. All of them received "The call from the Mind" and most of them accepted, due to that pretty much every Zekist is a Pyshic. Work to ascend mortality, technocratic societies connected due to pyshic shennanigans.Xenophilic with pyshic-able aliens, purge of the "weak". Pretty much "they shall know our peacefull ways by force" on other colonies.>Planetborn, union of colonies that cooperated to dont be assimilated by mentioned factions. Fear monguering led to a fascist coalition.>Blue Destiny, pirates mostly, but some of them have higher plans like stealing technology of every "especialist" faction or put leaders illuminaty style meanwhille their fleets raid sistems>Moon & Sentient:Colonies that developed the first full sentient AIs and put them equal to to humans.They do big mega structures so they are expansionist (yeah idk what to make of them)(1/2)