The thread surprisingly took off so let's continue where we left off. More nations needed, more fluff needed. Religions cultures migrations. Everything.> Old Thread>>77767794> Closest we got to lore summary>>77836668>>77836167>>77836339>>77849710What is this setting? This is a setting which takes place during the rise of Steam based technology in a low-fantasy world. It's a world of armored, zeppelin Dreadnaughts, Arab-monghol Crowriders and economic intrigue. (Think of Victoria 2 I guess)
>>77857286This table was used to randomly generate some of the nations.When using it:1. Set race to human2. Ignore magic stat3. Raise tech level to setting appropriate
>>77857286Tectonic plate map.
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>>77857286North-west regional map(made before Lungland was added)
>>77857286Archived thread#1: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/77767794/
>>77857286The lands west of the 'demonic' jungles have ever been isolated on all sides. By mountains to the north, by dense foliage to the east, and by steep cliffs above a rocky coast to the west. But while contact with the outside world was limited, human action in the region was not. Within these bounds, the land between the lakes and rivers is fertile, and while none could call the local societies 'urbanized' or 'industrial', there is nonetheless a network of competing tributary kingdoms, all vying for power and jockeying to claim succession of what local legend states was a great empire that spanned the whole of the land.At least, that's what it like until the proliferation of airship travel. The long isolation of these peoples has ended, bringing with it opportunity and danger both. Rival kings once content to merely test each other's borders now muster forces to claim - and sell - the riches of the land in order to gain access to the fruits of industry from skybound merchantmen. Whether the rising pace of battles will lead to a region unified behind a single victorious throne or division amongst hungering empires is, at this stage, anyone's guess.Yeah, it's the Not!East Africa/Great Rift Valley section. Side note: apparently there IS outright the concept of a semi-mythical empire that once ruled over that area which pretty much all local kingdoms/ethnic groups have claimed descent from. The Empire of Kitara. And that's some good shit to take for worldbuilding purposes if I've ever seen any.
>>77857783>>77857301>>77857297Detailing the new rolled thing for northern coast>OgreSizeable half-giant population>Viking>Medieval Monghol>Mythcon: Archfey>Animal: MONKEYSensing some connections to >>77845345>Size: Small>wealth: standard>military: standard>tech: Stoneage outch probably not that far but still horribly inferior - medieval still?>Magic/religion: skip but large>Power: insignificantDetails>Age: Established>Monarchy>Feudal>Neutral Nationalism>Favors Naval warfarefitting for vikingy dudesValues>Stagnation/Tradition>Order/MoralityLocation + Climate>Far west>Mediterranean climate (!)>Moist>Moderate terrain>Earthlike wildlifeoh fuck forgot religion everything is wrong but going with these stats. If someone wants to do the True rolls might be fun>Religion: Polytheism>Kingdom of VarnuaAccording to their tales, Varnuans were "Sons of Southern Hills" hired by the Grand Skeikhan Muhgenhamma as soldiers in his grand Crusade against the infidels in the west. Given ships by the Crowlords, they were an effective addition to the Arjalidian CrusadeAfter the violence had ended in something of a draw, the Varnuans settled in the bay they had claimed for their base of operations (original locals disappear from records during the crusade) And then they stuck there. Content to raid the westeners from time to time for plunder and slaves, Varnuans never progressed from that point, for they liked they liked their lands and loved their job. A highly hierarchical society developed around shares of plunder and raids every three years. That has been going on ever since. Times have not been good for them anyway. Instead of the traditional raiding nowdays many Varnuans form mercenary companies. Preferring melee combat over ranged weapons even now, they suffered particularly heavy losses in the Isthmus War. The society has been becoming more insular as a result of those horrorsCurrent Chiefwarlord: Vermund Hoskuldsson of Garpsborg.
>>77857783Good! Might edit them a bit, the blue is bit eyehurting on my monitor and some names might need changing. Particularly New Triniardi Sea should have another name as the scientists are new there>>77857604Finally something on that coast, place has so much potential! The Mythic Empire of Kitara is very fitting as well, given that Eastern lands are not that much detailed anyway and we lack knowledge where Urland even came from. Plus it is fun thing for adventurers to look for.
>>77857286Rough timeline v2:>-2500 years agoThe Mythic Empire of Kitara Golden Era if it even exists?Barbarian migration to west by legendary King DanvirOldFaith founded at Iremn>-2000Urland is founded by easterner colonists>-1500TÖGÖLDÖR pirates vs Urland wars>-1300Urland Empire Golden Era. They conquer most of the westSea-Mother religion forms in the north >-1000Urland Empire disintegrates in a series of civil wars and failed canal projectArvantha becomes independent realm.>-400Skeikhan Muhgenhamma leads the Crow Crusades against the west>-250Marble Renaissance and the Age of Sail begins>-200Arvanthan Golden Era. The kingdom expands to northern mountains.>-150Urland is hooked on Upium, Grand Partesain Golden Era >-120Steam engine invented at ?>-92Year of Winter. Grand Partesain volcanic eruptionEast Upium Company becomes freee>-80Darwinians start Federating>-70Greijerfolk take to the seas due climate changeLunglandians reportedly invent the steam engineTellas dies, The Wild Belt begins forming>-52Adizhean vs Arvantha conflicts begin>-46 The Isthmus War begins with Yssia invasion of the Isthmus. Age of Sail ends.>-40Hartland independence revolt from Arvantha>-25First airships are put in use at Isthmus>-28The Isthmus War ends, no nation wants or can continue itPseutonnic Reich begins rapid expansion>-17Irecon vs Lamborghe League invasion starts>-10Giant invasion of Eastern Lands begins around these times?Airships begin to be more profitable than ocean ships. Age of Air begins>-7Irecon League "liberates" IremnMasr Varnum flees the giants>-4Voston the Ireconian diesAporozhia Civil war begins>-3Arvanhan Invasion beginsGiant Invasion ends??>The Current yearPseutonics take Castle Cordylots of espionage shitQueen Tuska flees to Confederation>SoonThe Great Western Standoff is resolved. War?>+ 50 yearsJadewater becomes main source of energy. Dieselpunk begins.
>>77857825Considering we keep Writing About the Crow-Arab Monghols might be finally time to add some Non-RNG successor states and maybe define he borders of the old Horde.> Yellow striped Line details the lands controlled by the grant Crwhorde under Sheikhan Muhgenhamma at it's height. Much of the land is still controlled by Muhgenhammate successor states, much is lost though or unrecognizable.I'll try to detail each one out a bit. Now.Also reason they conquered so much of the "Giant Empire" once is mostly just a parallel to what the Monghols did to China irl.
>>77857865I just assumed the Trinidadian being the bostous bunch would just name it that. 'Das ours now'> AltartaraFor one it is not a Sheikhanate, for it is a holy place to the Crowhorde. For at Tartara the Great Sheikhant died in battle at the age of 89.His dying wish was to have his skin flyed and made into a Warbanner so he may eternally lead his faithful to battle. His flyed corpses was thus mumified in salt and the banner waves proud above the main temple. It shall be granted to the next great Khan once the 10 High Priests agree to elect one.> AljegraA small Sheikhanate who recently lost a large portion of it's southern Holdings to Salt Sea barbarians and it's eastern land to Alhuthra Derarahid.They are currently in a very bad state.> Alhuthra DerarahidIt currently holds the birthplace of the Great Sheikhan (south east close to Aljalid border, often fought for).It's one of the most expansionist Crowhordes having recently taken Aljegra, Salt Sea barbarian and Geijerfolk land.> AlkayedaA remnant of the Eastern Horde which once Controlled most of the CKWSH, currently it's their vassal. Their crows as punishment have been all slaughtered and their culture is heavily Incanized. There is few Crowlords remaining attempting to recreate old cuture by importing crows. There is also an independance movement making deals with both the Darvinians and New Triniardi.> Aldalus Porto SheikhanateThe land of the sick crow. Their crows over Decades have grown as small as Dogs. Slowly they gained proficiency in more standard military procedures, managing to conquer further west than even the great Sheikhan.They are currently in the process of rapid modernization and industrialization.
>>77858003>>77858120Very nice additions!Given that the Giant Empire is fresh developement it is understandable that Crows owned some of the Eastern Lands. Hell, the elephant legions might have been developed to serve the Sheikkhans!> yellow line is quite horribly though
>>77857405Don't worry ill expand and update this one asap to include all of the new stuff.
>>77857301Alright. I'll bite with this table thingy.>Mongol coding>Astrology Religion>National Animal is the ElephantGhengis Khan on elephants? Okay, interesting.>Standard Size>Rich>Elite MilitaryStandard stuff, rich from plunder, big military...>Standard Overall power>Ancient age>Democratic>Horde>Xenophobic>Cavalry favoredA democratic horde that's been around since ancient eras? That's super weird. How'd it even be administrated? But the calvary is interesting>Interdependance Values>Bravery/Honor valuesOkay. So it's a military democracy that's based on mutual cooperation. With the most valorous leading local groups. Probably under some great warrior-president who you can challenge to single combat at will>Polar cap>North>East Rightmost continent, right next to the crow boys i'd think. A rivalry between them maybe? Elephants versus flying crows?>Nordic temp>Dryland>Steppes>Murderous wildlifeSo polar Africa? Ghengis Khan riding Mammoths... An old rivaly with the crow riders. Alright. I got it. They're in a constant back and forth with the Shieks. With the Shiekdom usually attacking from over the seas, but the Hardiness of the horde holding out against them. It's probably the reason they're so far north too. I'd say it's less 'all out war' and more border skirmishes for loot and shit. Petty conflicts for minor glory. Kinda rises and falls with the wealth of both parties. Sometimes the Horde comes over and stomps the crow boys with their Mammoths. Sometimes the crows come over and loot their shiny bits.I'd say with the popularization of firearms and tech coming into prominence, there'd be a minor arms race of sorts? Maybe the Mammoth horde boys mounted cheap Flak cannons on the backs of their mounts. Maybe they're using cannons to break down the Shiekdom's walls? Lots of interesting stuff here.As for the name... The Streniain Horde sounds nice enough. Punchy.
>>77859069>>77858003OH SHIT MY BAD I DIDN'T SEE THE NEW ADDITION WHILE I WAS EDITING.Hang on, I'll move my shit
>>77859069Maybe they use the same war-Elephants as the KWSH (giants)?Both use Elephant Cavalry predominantly so they could be races of the same species.Could be East of Aljalid instead and border the Giants.
>>77859205Yeah, I'm moving it to the other side. As for the elephants, it's likely they're a divergent evolutionary path. Because arctic temperatures aren't too good for bare skin. It's why I was going with the whole mammoth angle
>>77859069>>77859075>>77859205There are certainly parallels into the The Empire of Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman >>77798627More we see an generate into the eastern lands the interestingly weird it gets..
>>77859242I was not expecting a democratic mongol horde. Hm. How would they even administrate themselves overall? I think it'd be a collection of fiefdoms with an elected khan. The Khan leads in battle, divides the spoils, and has the best equipment. But this is a position where you can obviously just challenge him for the right to rule at any time.Elephant jousting?Nah. Maybe wrestling or duels to the death.Now, the question is, would they be nomadic, carrying entire communities on the backs of elephants? Would these elephants be especially large as a result of long-term breeding programs? Is there a difference between a 'combat' elephant and a 'house' elephant?
Here's a quick update to the previous version of flags. Haven't touched Arvantha yet because that will need a bit more of an involved redesign process.
>>77857340so fix it
>>77859242>>77859307Breeding various elephants is very possible. Look at dog breeds!> Giant house elephants> Standard size lightly built cavalry Elephants> Stout bulldog-like Elephants you can put canons onto> special Elephants for frozen climates> war climate ones, which were in ancient lines sold to the giants
>>77859420why so green
>>77859455They are all sucessor states to the Arvantha and that's the Colour of the Arvantha i imagine. kinda how all post british colonies are white+red+blue.
>>77859455The Heptapolis and the Free State are both Arvanthan successor states so I imagine they'd leave some green in their flag as tribute. The other 2 are just coincidence.
>>77859453>>77859069 Alright, I updated the map.Unfortunately, it's too large for the filesize limit. And I don't wanna be the guy to downgrade it to a Jpeg. So here's the linkhttps://imgur.com/QsZofSGSo we have house elephants, Which can carry a small, waterproofed house on their backs. Good enough for a family? Maybe two, if it's an especially large bull.
>>77859532>https://imgur.com/QsZofSGOne question I have is... why is the Democratic horde called "kingdoms"
>>77859532It seems to me that it has been downgraded.Ill add them to stuff Im doing
>>77859573Well, I figured it's less of a true democracy. And more representational. Each 'Khan king' has their own caravan of elephants. And a territory to roam in. The local citizenry of the herd elects the 'king'. Who is responsible for directing the herd, leading in battle, and distributing resources. The tradeoff is, if anyone thinks he's doing poorly, he can be called upon to defend his title in a duel.And each of these local 'kings' would each be under the rule of one, Greater Khan, with the largest herd. Who's position was elected by the other Khans.
>>77859532Anon what are you editing in?You can put it through an online image compressor if it's like ms paint and doesn't let you change the compression type
>>77859532>>77859573>>77859620>>77859594>>77859799Fixed stuffRemoved the Old Horde Borders, they were in the wayRedid ocean names to not hurt eyesadded some oceans/seas/thingsmoved Seismic Sea near Partessan, felt fitting as Seismic Gulf thereNamed the Eastern Gulf as the Pacific Gulf, as its so peaceful area Gave Partessan Directorate an actual city, Ashport.Reformatted NuCrowlandsfixed darwinian fill-errors FINALLYAdded red arrows to current battlezonesFixed name of Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman into EMPIRE its biigetcAnd added country:>Harruzho
>>77859453house elephants might be above the plausible maximum size for a land mammal but I could see them being used as public transportation also imo paraceratherium would look cooler than elephants
>>77859875Under the Ribsea lie a Heartland and two Lunglands.
>>77859921> Be knight 400 years ago> have to fight this with a sword> they also got air support
>>77860088Fighting that in the year 1621? Just stand aside and let the artillery do its job. The knight who'd fight a dire elephant with a sword (I guess we just don't ask where his lance is) got Darwin'd out of the equation somewhere back in the early bronze age.
>>77859875>The Valley-Chiefdoms of HarruzhoOne of the chief warzones during and after the Crusades, Harrians have been under control of Crowlords, Aporozhians, Partessanians and other outlanders. The mountainous lands have been easy to keep, provided that you do not try to change or annoy the locals. But few rulers have resisted that chance and as such Harrians have been fighting a lot in their times. "As stubborn as a Harrian" is sometimes used as an insult, but Harrians have adopted it as well. Harrians are also renowned as marksmen, due to their long history against crows.They got their current independence from the EUC eighty years ago and have been fiercely protective of that ever since. Possessing arable western coast and "the rest" Harruzho has never been very popular or wealthy. They underwent a brief lumber boom shortly after Aporozhian steam industry started demand wood, but that has moved on to Hartland. Few mines have been excavated and produce lots of tin, but the nation is poor still.The Isthmus War hit the nation horribly. Their leaders really did desired the Canal and as such fought viciously as allies of United Aporozhia. End result was horrible. Two generations of men were killed, maimed or scarred for life. The Harrian womenfolk rosed to the occasion though, and even now make up to 60% of the workforce. This has changed the internal dynamics significantly: The old chiefs were deposed and now a council of elected politicians rule. An education reform in turn provides a vision of brighter future for Harrians.Currently they look across the Northern Intercontinental to the Aporozhian civil war. Officially neutral, there is a growing demand about allying with the ULA due their deep cultural connections. But many still remember the old war and do not wish to see a repeat of its horrors.>>77860000Oh now I see the reference!
>>77860227But anon those are mûmakil
>>77859921You can build your house on those just fine
>>77860816Son, I do not fucking care what the giants call their special elephant murder-breeds. They stop to pair of good hits, but the problem is that there is a fucking herd of them always and once they charge we get one or two cannon rounds in.Seeing that their aircraft already made their attack pass at us, it means that the elephants are about to do that charge. So private, aim the cannon well and do not stop shooting!
>>77861002GOOD LORD SIR, THEY'RE LAUNCHING THE DUNG-BOMBS
>>77861181Ah well. Men, it was a pleasure serving with you.
This took waaay too long to make (whoever designed inkscape deserves to be brutally raped) but here some nice flags and logos for the Hartlanders. This one mainly focuses on the econ side of things since that's kind of their shick.
>>77862221That's neat. They really like their trees, huh.The Amount of Red in he Union flags makes me wonder if they had any contact with the commies in the East.
>>77862221Extremely cool!>>77862405Of course they have, although they might not officially say it. Probably the commies are giving them all kinds of assistance: money, training and weapons even maybe.All the while counter-espionage tries to prove this, as that kind of foreign assisted destabilisation is a clear casus belli.Other thing of course are the Aporozhians who need lumber for their civil war. Does Hartland sell to them both? Are there Aporoznian spies trying to sabotage the situation? What about dear Yssia?
>>77862405That's what some people would like you to think anyway.
Re-Reading the old thread:> South-Lungland with aid if the IEA declared war on the Avarthan Kingdom alongside the Pseutons and Yssians obtaining the famous 'Lungland Tial' which creates a border with HartlandOh shit another war front for Arvantha? Or is that already resolved?Also it would seem that better railway goes through Torrendall plain compared to mountains of Hartland. Does T and the other 4 kingdoms oppose the railway? T at least has communist problems already, so SL-T alliance sounds likely>Or is the whole IEA railway project Yssian plot to make the little countries fight amongst themselves while Y builds the true railway through the A. Hinterlands straight to tge A. Confederacy?
>>77857286what a fantastic little autism project to blossom
Super dead thread desu this is your last bump
>>77859307Mongol Hordes are fairly democratic to begin with, just not in the same way a civilian government is. In this case, it may just mean certain major decisions, such as electing leaders or invading a country, are confirmed by a body of the fully initiated members of the horde, instead of being entirely dependent on the whims of the leader.
>>77863336As I see it, Torrendall is in too much of a shitshow to get much done at the moment, as it's basically in a mexican standoff between the three major political forces. The communists in the country are presumably backed and supported by North Lungland, so it makes sense that South Lungland would align with the Torrendall royalists or unionists. Royalists I guess makes more sense, as that maintains status quo in the area, while the unionists could lead to a new, much more powerful neighbor. Unless South Lungland hates the communists so much that they really don't care what happens beyond that?
>>77861002Would giant elephants be afraid of giant mice? Can we do anything with that?
>>77866498I do imagine the NL Sl relationship is akin to Nort Korea Vs South Korea irl.They actively hate each other, but do not wish either to be conquered by a foreign power because both expect reunification at some point.
Rolled 1 + 8 (1d1 + 8)>>77857301Rolling something to the coastline between giants and DarwiniansSkipping species, magic and Locationthings. Depending on size takes parts or full glacier coastline.>>77866498The entire northern west is so fucked already that it sounds like Yssian CIA-blackops funland operation. As long as they are fighting each-other everything is fine. Then there is Fritigil, a place so nice and peaceful that I want to visit itThe true best railway potential is already removed from Yssia, as basically ULA and Goodwind can create a short Salient-skipping railway after the civil war provided they clean the wasteland. ULA already has the Death Train there, it might be a part of the preparations for the Short Railway. >>77866560Unlike Koreas, the Lunglands have active neighbors instead of open sea. That changes the political reality completely. Still your point stands.
>>77866741okay cannot chain rolls here. shame
Rolled 40, 29, 31, 88, 60, 13, 46, 77, 30, 50, 72, 59, 5, 46, 3, 13, 1, 31, 89, 89, 80, 93, 47, 84, 18 = 1194 (25d100)>>77866765I'll roll for you
>>77866741I do have an idea for the mountains themselves, that literally came to me in a dream last night. Luckily, it is not a civilization as such, it is monkeys.There have always been monkeys living in the foothills of the Uchpahaa Mountians, and the people around them have long believed that the chirps and shreiks of those monkeys may have been a primitive language. The monekys have established colonies in many of the major cities and villages of the region, surviving in part, by stealing food from the locals. Recently, however, the monkeys have found a new obsession. Whether this is the result of independent evolution, or the meddling of the mad scientists of the Darwinninan CoFederation is unknown, but the monkeys have recently begun fashioning primitive tools. Specifically, the monekys seem to have adopted javelins and javelin throwers, and slings twisted from vines.Now, the monkeys have become obsessed with casting their javelins and sling stones at the airships passing overhead, seeking to bring them down. On rare occasions, they have been able to do so, usually when they attack an unarmored freighter. Popping an Airship brings shrieks and howls of joy as they watch the airships crash, followed by raids upon the wreckage, to recover anything a monkey would value.Even more troubling, colonies of these monkeys have begun to appear far away from the Uchpahaa Mountains, raising the possibility that their colonies are being seeded around the world by some nebulous hand.Yes, it is inspired by Bloons
>>77867020They are an ancient technologically advanced race which managed to return to monkey and they don't have any plans to leave.We should all stop this stupid steam power and agriculture stuff and follow them back to monkey.
>>77866777Thanks.>Species: OrcNaturally ignoring, but they can be bit brutish>Coding: Ancient Roman>Religion: Polytheistic>Myth: Eldrich BeingLove these already>Totem animal: Bear>Size: Citystate>standard wealth>Good Military>Tech behind>Religiousness: StandardOverall Power: STRONG>Age: Established>Monarchy>Feudal>Nationalism welcoming>Favoured warfare: InfantryValues>Progress/Logic>Bravery/HonorLocation skippen>Temperature: HOT>Humid: Average>Terrain: Mountainous>wildlife friendly>UrsimoniumThe City-State of Ursinum and its has long been famous of its glorious military past. This increased tenfoth when they became the first military force to stop the Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman Elephant Legion advance at the battle of Ludifico Pass. Military advisers did note that the Giants had been already exhausted from taking over the entire Pacific Bay and were facing extremely difficult terrain, but Ursinumian victory was clear non the less. Even the mighty Sumo-Cannoneers fled the battlefield rather than perished in the overzealous Charge of the Light Elephant Brigade. Prince Bacchis Thrasea returned home as the supreme hero and saviour of the city, having personally slain at least two Giant Legionaries.Located on the mountains west of the Huamandi Ice Shelf, Ursimondium has seen many conflicts over its era. Always their bravery and ingenuity has been praised, although their enemies have called them cunning and ungentlemanly bastards. Current tactics involve heavy focus on machine guns supported by personal bravery.They long fought against the Chancellery, for they desired Ursinumian mine, but 53 years ago successfully threw them back to the sea and forbade the usage of upium. Skipping most of the The Isthmus War (except few already legendary volunteer units on Yssian side) they have been attempting to do rapid industrialization in the past decades and have been progressing slowly. Pollution is an issue at the smog-filled city.
>>77868037First Prince Bacchis Thrasea has been spotted inside the Darwinian CoFederation, most likely trying to build an alliance against the Giants. He has had not gotten much support for his idea so far. Interestingly his younger sister Princess Potitia Sandilius Thrasea is doing a long and very much publicized "educational voyage" across the western world. Chiefly she has been attending and creating magnificent galas and dinners while doing not much diplomacy, at least in public. Many have tried to court her, but she is still not engaged to anyone.Ursimoniumian heraldry is the Iron Bear on red background, a symbol from their old pasts as mercenary company that got lucky in one of the many Pacific Bay conflicts and settled in the hot mountain valley. Ursimoniumian religion is the Logia de Mundo Organo, a collection of Eastern faiths mixed with the worshiping of the Grand Mechanisms that run the world and its logic.Despite living at the mountains, Ursimonium has only a scattering of air vessels. It has been joked that they are afraid of heights, but few dare say that to their face. Others blame the monkeys. Ursimoniumian artillery companies and iron walkers are fearsome and not many can make jokes out of them.(map cant do right now)
Okay here's an update to the NW map with all of the new additions. Next gargantuan task: expand the map to cover shit as far south and east as Lake Yss. Might actually make a new map or something, idk yet.Also if anyone has any ideas about what the flags and heraldry of various factions could look like, >> this post.
>>77868528Oh yeah I also went ahead and named all of the Hartlander cities. Since I don't quite understand what the culture map looked like except for >>77776541 from last thread, I kind of went like this>East: English>North: German-ish>West: Danish-Norwegian>South: Germanized Slavic names (does Arvantha speak Polish, Hungarian, Russian or German)?)>Silvermen: Basque because why not+ some cheeky references for those who know what to look for.
>>77859069>A democratic horde that's been around since ancient eras? That's super weird. How'd it even be administrated? But the calvary is interestingtbqh the Mongol and Turkic peoples have a tradition of Kurultais, great open air consultations of clan chiefs, kind of like the Thing the Scandinavians had if that helps. It's not that unthinkable that instead of slowly drifting towards the centralisation of power with great khans they'd retain the Kurultai organization.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurultai
>>77868612I'd say Arvantha and Yssia both speak Slavic languages that are linguistically distinct but mutually comprehensible. Underland, Pseutonia, and the Chancellery League speak Germanic LanguagesQueen Maeve's Land speaks a Celtic language similar to the Lewellys Clans.
>>77867020I mean pre-modern SEAsians basically thought Orangutans were just weird forestmen so why not this? I like it.
>>77868612You are crazy good mapper! >map to cover shit as far south and east as Lake Yss Crazy, but I like it. There is still nations on that area that have not yet details, so perhaps start with Angirmen or Arvantha?Also >>77863336 is there a northern war front already going on or is it over or what - needs answers still.Kinda thought the migrations into the WESTLAND:>The OriginalsAdizheans and The Cwyn are the only known remnants of these.>The Middle Barbarianswe have no clue about these. Might be Originals, might have come from southeast using boatsIt kinda would be fitting that they are smallish migrations from time to time. Anyway, they drive the Originals from warm southern parts into north(It might be so that the Glazier was united in these still)Probably at this point agriculture arrives for good. >The Danvir Barbarian MigrationsKing Danir leads Aarii, Toskii, Hearthii and Angirilii (incl. Lungii) to northern coast from northeast using boats. They fight the Originals(?) and are victorious.Of this migration we have concrete evidence (aka it has been mentioned several times). Probably old sagas and such are written down.>The Late Barbarian MigrationNot have written this down beforehand, but it seem clear that Aporozhians are not Danvirians. So they migrate to west after Danvir. OR they were the barbarians that forced Danvirians more more west from current Aporozhian lands.>The Civilized ColoniesThe southern coast starts to become civilized (as in cities and stone buildings)Urland etc.Might be from Kitara or some other Eastern states.They slowly make colonies up to roughly half of western coast.>Empire of UrlandUnites most of the citystates and conquers two thirds of the Westland, from Hartland to the Isthmus. Culture gets more united, but it is slow>Dark agesUrland dies. Arvantha becomes independent as do many others. Barbarian tribes move around a lot.Aporozhian barbarians unitecont
is that perfectly straight east to west coastline on the south of the big island not bothering anyone else? Or is there a reason for it somewhere in the lore that I missed?
>>77869552yes it bothers meno there's no explanation for it
continuing >>77869428>Crusades.Basically no cultural changes, but religion starts to turn seamother>Marble RenaissanceUrlandic culture blooms but then upiums. Partesain (former Urlandic colony) becomes BIG>VOLCANOTIMEPartesain no longer so big thingYssia starts uniting from small beginnings>Post Isthmus Pseuttonic Reich begins its Neo-Urlandic crusade>>77868612>>77868885Soooo what all this means?North: The Danirian Barbarians and remnants. Nordic/Germanic cultures is seem good with match them.Aporozhia: Its own culture. no examples so far. Something east-european clearly, due the nameArvantha: Southern parts has clear urlandic heritage >>77835578. Northern areas probably have more Middle Barbarian heritage, exept the Palace. Germanized slavic names sounds okay. Regarding language, polish-hungarian was what I have been thinking with the hussars and such. Might use both languages, one for cities and other for peasants? DunnoUrland is Germanic, as is Pseutonic Reich clearly. Some old eastern names there and there?Partesain and its descendants are clear english/germanic.Yssia really has no big culture. It is a frankensteinian monster ruled by Oldfaithic lords that claim heritage to a lake that has been fought over millenia. So names could be anything from surrounding lands. Also not buying the the >>77839460 Yssian claim that Arvanthans are retrograde Yssians - it is clearly a propaganda justification for the repression, nothing concrete.Not expert on those languages but old russian might work. It also would enforce the Arvanthanian difference from Yssian?The IEU needs more details before much can be said about them. Though that there might be some little tribe of halfgiants in there somewhere between the glaciers.>FlagsYssian flag could be really simplistic OR far too detailed clusterfuck that is not handy at all.Partesain flag: Maritime/volcanic themed. A burning fish?>>77869552>>77869605Hate it too, it is too sharp.
>>77869428ty ty. It's really not that hard with GIMP. Just slow.Anyways I see ideas for Ursinum and Yssia. Will get to it tomorrow.
>>77869962>Also not buying the the >>77839460 # Yssian claim that Arvanthans are retrograde Yssians - it is clearly a propaganda justification for the repression, nothing concrete.It's blatant propaganda, but what if the Yssians began as an Arvanthan clan who migrated east in ages past?
>>77859875>>77862221Added Ursinum and detailed that corner of the worldDid some fixes on a bit clumsy >>77871547That would be lovingly ironic, but Id prefer that Yssian heritage is just really mixed and there is nothing definite about them apart from the lake. >>>77868528>FlagsThe Empire of Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman could use some heraldry, as its the BIG EMPIRE. Something simple but bit uncivilized? Mere geometric shapes? Geometric elephant and a cannon?Darwinia, that we have used far too little, could be something brutish or really fancy victorian stuff. DNA helix?>>77870160Gimp is fun I cannot do that kinda masterstuff at least for this kind of project. Keep it up!
>>77871582Heritage wise, they're a mix of everything, but I was thinking in terms of the language. Maybe the rest of the nation coalesced around some exiled nobles in ages past?
>>77871847Originally almost everyone copied Urland and tried to imitate them. Arvantha seems to be an exception to that, perhaps due old roots or politics of its independence battles.Naturally the Yssian founders copied Arvanthian "we are proud locals with long heritage, not upium using outlander degenerates" message and as such actually used the well known and respected Arvanthanian as their official languange but quickly renamed it as the Yssian. This is also the beginning of their anti-Arvanthanian lies>Yssia has nothing original in it. Probably even copied the secret police from Grand Parthesain or the East Upium Compamy.
Rolling a a nation into eastern lands.>>77871582Quite many places need interior derails such as capitols and main cities
>>77868528I imagine Avartha speaks Polish, as for flags. I imagine North Lungland is Similar to North Korea
>>77869552The map is randomly generated with Azgaars. That's why it has quirks like that. Same as the odd'tail' the continent has in the east.
>>77872223I like this idea. It's a state built synthetically in a way. Out of the old lies eventually an actual ethnic group speaking Yssian emerged as Yssian and Avartha n diverged.
>>77874975For 18th century purposes, that would make it fairly similar to Paraguay before the war of the Triple Alliance.
Edited Heartlands EmblemAdded CLA, ULA , Torksland and Aarcliff emblems to the map.(god I hate this stupid map, changing filesize randomly)
>>77877446If you want I can put up all of the individual emblems I've done and put them on a mega or something. Can't imagine the pain of having to cut out the shapes from my compilation images.
Rolled 19, 36, 6, 14, 75, 61, 11, 3, 60, 84, 3, 30, 92, 14, 18, 99, 53, 56, 1, 13, 90, 6, 48, 26, 60 = 978 (25d100)>>77874109retrying
>>77877446Not to be a nitpicking faggot but Wirling is spelled wrong. Should be the Whirling Sea unless that's intentional.
Felt like I kind of forgot the whole "Hart" part of Hartlands, so here's their grand seal, with not one, but 2 deers.
>>77879544It's intentional. It's supposed to be a homophone so you know how the sea is " hard to cross and full of wirlpools" but also not a literal descriptor.At least that was my intention.
>>77880114Alright, just don't want you looking like an idiot. Sounds good.
>>77879544The Golde Circe is also missing a letter. It is traditional sailor wisdom/humor."Olde Wirly should be given fun nicknames so it remains a laughing giant instead of a ship-swallowing whirlpool of ice and death it becomes if insulted"This custom survives even in the age of airships.>>77879923So cool! The deers look bit sad, but heraldries are often kinda weird like that!
Okay here's something new: the banners of the Angir lands. This is just a suggestion with lots of spitballing so if anyone has any better ideas, do tell. Embroke and Harcia specifically I think could use a different design.>>77881151That is amongst the most normal looking deer I could find surprisingly enough. Heraldic artists don't really seem to know what animals look like.
>>77883026Of course I had a better idea for Torlingham first the second I hit post.
>>77883026>>77883122I really like these flags. Emborke and Torlingham take the cake for me though.
Adding lord to the Geijerfolk since they don't have much.Sailors are a naturally superstitious bunch. Sailing legends, common in all port towns, are often scoffed at by those who never leave the shoreline. But there's one that's spoken of in hushed whispers along the cost of the Ocean of Singing Whales, one yet to be disproven by even the most scientifically-minded land lovers.Long ago, when the Isthmus Wars were in full swing, many nations would send their chosen representatives to participate in the fighting and win favor for their country. For the Geijerfolk, said representative was the Eikskjold, the most powerful dreadnought they possessed. With a full crew compliment and a tearful goodbye, the Eikskjold set sail west, hoping to offer it's services to whoever would accept them. But alas, it was not to be. The Eikskjold, pride of the coastal city Gyldenåre, was never heard of again. Some say that it reached its destination in the West, and still fights on to this day. Others maintain that it was lost tragically to the powerful storms that wracked the Geijerland shortly after its departure. All that the sailors know is that, when the storms set in and the mist lies heavy along the Basaltic Bay, an unfortunate soul's eye may catch an outline of a cannon or the dull shine of worn belt armor.
>>77883506Really? Embroke is easily my least favourite, I basically just kept bashing elements together until I gave up.>>77868369>>77868037>Ursimoniumian heraldry is the Iron Bear on red background, a symbol from their old pasts as mercenary company that got lucky in one of the many Pacific Bay conflicts and settled in the hot mountain valley.Something like this?
>>77885143Well. That's black not iron.
>>77883026>Heraldic artists don't really seem to know what animals look like.The more medieval art you see, the more you realize people in the past had no idea how anything looked. Nice work on the flags. Only one I'm dubious on is Roeamoak. Those swords mhave me remembering prince of persia, I'm not entirely sure why, so they seem a bit too middle eastern to me.
>>77885175I mean "iron" isn't really a traditional "proper" heraldical colour. It was only used as some sort of weird light grey in 16th century Germany. The bigger problem is that grey doesn't really "work" for charges because its so low-contrast. It basically looks like shittier white if you use black outlines and if you don't it bleeds all over into everything else. So I kind of cheated a little and interpreted it as a bear *in* irons.>>77886133Roeamoak is just a reskinned version of the arms of Essex which are old as fuck. Apparently its what some 12th century monk thought Saxon seaxes looked like.
>>77886517Well fuck. I mean, I know I just commented on how medieval people didn't know how things looked, but they were evidently even worse than I thought.
>>77886621desu if you think about it makes sense. You tell a medieval scholar to draw you "some weird pagan swords" they're gonna draw the only pagan swords they know.
The comic book autist in me wonders I'd down the line we could ever do a /tg/ crossover of past thread settings like this with Gloria Etalia.
>>77887023The timeline is very different. GE is medievalishhighfantasy+post-post-apocalypse. This thing is steampunk low-fantasy, the fantasy is in fact so low it's barely there.The autist in me always wondered how it's be to make a cross-board-setting. Maybe with some /lit/ and /co/ mixed in. /v/ is not invited /vst/ maybe.
>>77887116Each setting is it's own plane(t) at different development levels. Some crisis or other brings them together. But that's a down the line thing.
>>77887152Autia is established as a dimensional nexus, so that could work for a plot hook.
>>77887152>>77887219Man combining multiple Kitchen sing settings to create the ultimate kitchen sink huh.Also the Ck3 mod is still in development, if anyone members.
>>77884351So a Zipang kinda situation with the ship travelling through time? I like it.
>>77887474That was kinda the idea, that the ship was drifting aimlessly due to some anomaly and can just pop up randomly at times. Though with this idea >>77887152 I'm kind of feeling the idea that it was more of a Philadelphia Experiment type of deal, where it's randomly getting thrown across all the writefag dimensions.
Rolled 71, 25, 26, 50, 38, 71, 7, 7, 18, 50, 50, 10, 84, 75, 85, 81, 66, 22, 23, 3, 45, 5, 45, 10, 97 = 1064 (25d100)>>77857301Let's see what I get
where are the steampunk celts?
>>77888426Make them yourself my guy.And fuck off.
>>77888426It couldn't possibly be the place who's emblem is just the Scottish CoA with silly colours. Also see the place names on >>77868528
>>77888532maybe you can stop masturbating to feet picsAnd fuck off
>>77879417>DwarfishHumans with bit grudgy outlook>Ancient Egyptian>Polytheism>No myth connection>Pig>Size Big>weatlh impoverished>Military Nonexistant>Tech Standard>magic Great.. well they are rather piousOverall power: Standard>Age: Ancient>Gov: Oligarchy>Centr: Bureocratic>Nationalism welcoming>Favoured warform: InfantryValues>RAGE>Fractiousness/DissentOokayyyDirection w/e >Central>Climate: Freezing>Humidity: Desert>terrain Mountaineous>wildlife friendly>The Eternal Country of Roftu They have stood on the eastern edge of the Grand Salt Sea for ages. One of the first civilizations of the world, Roftuans are proud of their old cities and long traditions. So much that they have become stuck to old habits in some regards. Their road network was the pride of the world... before the age of the sail. They still use it.Their symbol is the Salt Pig. Tt was their object of worship at some point, but these days most Roftuans worship the Sea-Goddess due Crowlord influence. Old temples still dot the Salt Sea border.After casting the chains off the northern Sheikkhans, Roftuans had changed. They became even more aggressive in politics and was one of the significant local powers until the Grand Parthesain sailed in. Again, they were defeated but this increased their fury towards foreign conquerors. Merchants of Grand Parthesain actually fled before the Year of winter. This caused Roftuans to become proud and soon after the Grand Parthesain had erupted Roftu attacked outwards, attempting to subjugate other nations this time. Their infantry were renowned of their ferocity and Roftu was on the track to become a dominant power in the East until they clashed with the Giants of Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman. contadded another giant vassal, sorry. Did not see other good spots for it
>>77888594Giant-Roftu conflict was hellishly bloody but surprisingly short, for neither side spared thoughts for mercy. Ultimately the giants defeated the armies of Roftu due their experienced commanders and even more fearsome zeal (Rumors that foreign subterfuge sabotaged Roftuan war effort persist) Once more they became vassals of others. This changed Roftuans even more. Some say that their formerly well oiled machine is now dented. Locals are no longer proud of their past and blame their traditions of their failures. This has caused huge internal problems and no end is in sight. The Giant overlords do look the other way, for current Roftuan hatred is more against fellow roftuans than anything else. As if their culture, long known of its hostillity, has been turned against itself like a body with cancer. Rampaging bands have started to openly defy the commands of the central Baron-Admins and their constables. It has been said that blood will surely flow soon without actions of the Giants, but do they care given their own problems and lack of troops?TLDR: Fucking age old civilization that got more violent and violent each time they were conquered. After Giants bashed them they have become fatalistic and self-destructive. A brewing ground for all kinds of reformists. Despite this they still worship the Salt Sea at their ancient temples although they officially follow the Sea-Mother.
>>77888408Anyone doing these rolls? The little west-center nations need to be created so the full west clustermegashit aka The Great Western Standoff can be figured >>77858002
>>77888426Queen Maeve's Land
>>77888426Aarcliff and Cwyn
>>77888594That is absolutely retarded we literally are unable to fill out the map because the thread is near dead and you keep fucking over the giants.Honestly fuck you.
>>77857286Sorry, I am a newfag, how does this type of thread work? I'd like to join in, sorry for the annoyance
>>77896372Basically as long as you don't dirctly contradict previously laid down stuff you can just start adding anything you'd like - new nations on the map, characters, events, flora&fauna and so on.
>>77895462I do not see how giving actually details and comtent to the Giant Empire is that bad. We are doing several passes of content to many Westlander countries already. >>77895437 this over >>77893404. We kinda need to detail the pre-isthmus areas of Maeveland so we get good idea wtf is going on in there.Next doing a ex-EUC tea plantation.>BTW where the Parthesain originally grew the Upium?
>>77897155It's literally ripping away land from them they went from nice cohesive nation to oddly shaped clusterfuck with two huge holes in it filled with vassals.
>>77897412Given>>77798627>>77800918particulartly>>77801568>>77801883Have understood that the Giants are an Empire freshly born from the anvils of war. Previously they were far smaller state and that area contained multiple nations and maybe Something that was the previous overlord of the Giants. The Giants rebelled, destroyed their old lords and conquered the shit out of their surrounding nations until basically their Elephant Legions had been spent. The Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman Empire is not a cohesive nation and never has been. Right now they are trying to rapidly industrialize so they get a modern military that allows them to actually keep their freshly taken vassals before someone else rebels against them in turn.Given that we have almost no lore surrounding the huge Empire (although part of it belonged to the Sheikkhans during the Crusades) or the Giants themselves (we even do not have name for their king, although we know that the name comes from their original three tribes) I thought detailing their vassals would be an interesting addition. but whatever if it does hurt someones feelings. Please detail the Giant core lands if you want, it would be interesting.>Captcha wants to see tractors. clearly Lottonian mood it has!
>>77897663> I am not carving out chunks of the country to make vassals I am adding lore!This is not how these kinda of threads work. It's plain assholery to take a country someone else wrote up, then rip out a chunk of it to yeet down your thing.1. It retcons a lot of previous lore. For example, the WSHE was a highly centralized state of venerable age when it was rolled up. The war in which they kicked out other nations was not them "conquering more land". it was a series of independence wars to retake land which was formerly theirs to begin with. The Emperor used said wars to kill-off the old Elephant-Cavalry knights (explanation why they basically have no army now, physsic victory) to prevent the former warrior caste opposing the rapid modernization of the nation and it's military.2. It fucks up local politics. Like imagine how much all politicking on the situation of the Western Continent would look like if i suddenly carved out two new large countries out of Yssia for no fucking reason.3. It's a dick thing to do ESPECIALLY if there is free land left. There is no reason to be destroying something someone else wrote unless you're trying to basically be an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.
>>77898531>>77897663Yeah you even linked the post:> AgeEstablished> CentralizationBureocratic
>>77888594>Travania TeaholdA fertile coast well suited to agriculture, Travania has been settled since ancient times by many different peoples. Although lacking many other resources than arable land and fish, Travania has been fought over by many. Despite this, it has been protected from largest eastern invasions by the rivers of Lottonia and the locals share some similarities to their northern neighbors.Most recently, in the Golden Era of Grand Partesain, the Merchant-Lords started to prefer a certain tea made out of sugary lime leaves. These lime leaves were annoying to import from (EX-Darwinia here) and the EUC solved this situation by forcibly converting Travania into vast tea plantations. The local petty kings did not have much to say about the situation and either adapted or "conveniently" died.Following the Year of winter Travania became a steadfast member of the Chancellery League. Despite starting to grow other products, Travanian Teahold is still the chief producer of lime tea that the Partesainian descendants still drink massive amounts each year. During the Isthmus conflict, Travanians did not participate very much. They nominally fought on the side of Chancellery, but their owners were hesitant in training them as soldiers, fearing a rebellion. Currently drive for more production and poor income equality (as most of the plantations are owned by seven families in total) is causing open discussion of departing the Chancellery and nationalizing the tea plantations.Added more trade lines and some BadShitLines to Queen Marves land and other Isthmus shitholes.
>>77898546>>77898531>series of independence wars to retake land which was formerly theirs sounds preeeettyy much like conquering more land. what gets retconned here exactly? Evolution of the nation concepts into a fun and natural ways is fun in these kind of threads! And in order to these things to happen we need content, which I am providing. we could of course say that the xenophobic Giants all but massacred most of the Roftuans and now they live in those cities mapped. But dunno. If you want the Giant Empire to be quite blank area of the map that just states "Here Be Giants" then whatever. I was just giving them more details and adding more cultures to the East, which kinda feels like a varied multicultural place but there is surprisingly small amount of cultures currently. Anyway, I do not understand your hostility. Many western nations have had additions into them several times and there has not been issues. The actual Giant homelands and cities could be inserted at least to give some depth to them. wHere is their Capital? where the Giant Emperor lives? Regarding Yssia, the Aporozhian Hinterland part was an interesting addition to both Yssia and Aporozhia which gave rise to many fun things.I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings. Roftu could be moved, for example between Darvinia and Alkayeada, but literally too buzy for that now.
Fixed the map
I wrote half of the posts expanding on the giants' nation after the anon that added them.the only reason their territory is so large is because the first anon rolled "size: large" on the generation table.imo it's a bit too large so cutting chunks of it isn't that big of a problem but they didn't seem like the type to conquer new land and create vassals in their currently weakened state.maybe there could still be subdivisions of their territory, but more in an early america kinda way with some territories still belonging to other powers or even independent revolutions, considering it is mentioned their revolution also attempted to wipe out the ancient caste system there could be some territories who don't agree and thus haven't fully integrated into the new nation
>>77899211You didn't even add Roftu to the new spot, just removed it and old Triniardi. That is slightly dickish.Is the whole Giant Empire a monoculture now or what?My understanding was that they were a nation inside that area and took an advantage of old grudges and the chaotic situation after the Istmus war to began a blitzkrieg their surroundings. It might have been an independence war as well, but we never have derermined who were their overlords(!). This blitzkrieg proved to be more successful than their leaders had dreamed of and as a result they went as far as thei could aka the old elephant riding warrior caste was spent. Now they are in progress of rapid industrialization using their newly conquered lands and resources.where is the Giant original spot they started their offensive? That orange area needs detailing, now it is a bit boring compared to the westlands and their intricacies. >>77899897Large even is not a category in the table, so we even dont know was it a Big or Empire sized. I always thought it to be Big due its original name was Kingdom, not Empire. But whatever, i do not care about it that much but this is distracting us.Have now done the two previous additions, someone else please
I normally don't like to do this, but I'm popping by to post a WIP. Normally would finish the thing before posting but something came up and its likely I wont have this finished for quite a few more hours now.Anyways use this as an opportunity to suggest any changes or ideas for Lungland. Kind of just went off >>77840101 and coded them as Dutch because the idea of a Dutch socialist revolution and brutal counter revolution is funny to me and "Dutc" sort of vaguely fit into the cutural groups we have going currently.
>>77900597>3 shellsHow do you use them I don't understand
>>77899897It's not even bigger that Avartha and Darvinia???
>>77900169The Giant Empire was always intended to be one culture. Not all the same, but akin to China. One large Empire. That was mentioned in the Great Crowhorde lore.You are retconning another piece of lore already.
>>77900865retconning would be removing the giant empire from the setting, this is rewriting
>>77900669I'm kind of using it as the symbol of the Sea-Mother religion.
>>77901282 it's a shitpost don't worry about it
>>77901605oh it's a demolition man reference jesus that completely swished by me here sorry.
>>77900865>always intended I find your straight denials bit cumbersome for this kind of dynamic setting generation. There is no canon so far, and always these stuff is best run as "yes, but" systems instead of trying to make everything work seamlessly. Hell, the conflicting materials and questions surrounding them make interesting material itself!The thing is that Wayanaysi Soncco Huaman Empire in its current situation is rather blank compared to even some little westland countries with nice heraldries, internal maps and all that. Giants have basically little about their genetics, something about their warfare and not much else. Given that they are so huge, they desperately need stuff as they are one of the chief eastern power players (although currently have little in terms of military power). Also there is no much lore about a this monoculture honestly, it is far more interesting if there is numerous cultures there. Even the Crow Sheikkhanates owned only two thirds of the Gulf >>77858003 suggesting that by that moment the area was not a monoculture at least by then. And the large Empire needs to come from somewhere. Also Alkayeda are their vassals also, so some kind of vassalisation seems to be OK but not everyone? Merely trying to make this shit more interesting.>Therefore... my humble suggestion:Current ruler: Pitahaya of the Soncco. Every other king is from Soncco tribe and the other is from Wayanaysi. the Huaman tribe in turn run the state byrocrats and judges. This achieves surprisingly stable government, if a bit focused on old rules and claims. Non-giants have lesser rights. cont
>>77904112Originally the three tribes were independent and roamed most of the northern mountains of Pacific Gulf, but then the Crowlords flew there and become the rulers of most of the Gulf. They united and organized the three tribes and used them as their soldiers in their many conflicts. The Giants stayed under the Sheikkhans for many centuries and won much glory with their elephants. It was the Grand Parthesain fleets that liberated the Giants, for they opposed the remnants of the power of the Crowlords and by their gunboats and cannons forced the Alkayeda to grant independence to the Giants and many other of their vassals (basically India situation).After the Parthesain was gone, rather turbulent times came to the Pacific Gulf. Many nations fought each other and the influence of the Chancellery and the Company. Giants mostly stayed in their own lands, for they were long-lived and waited for their own turn. Many of their old lands had been stripped of them, but now valuable resources had been discovered in them.The giants took their chance during the chaos of the Isthmus war. Their King, Epunamun of Wayanaysi, did wish to get more land ( some that they had old claims) and more resources for he was wise and understood that their nation needed to modernize. Therefore, while everyone else was focused on the Isthmus, the Giants attacked their neighbors. They were masters of elephant warfare and while disadvantaged at tech, they won using their ferocity and cunning. The first enemies to fall were their former masters, the crowlords of Alkayeda. The Giants took most of their lands, killed the remaining crows and half-exiled them to eastern wastelands.This sudden war managed take other nations by surprise.They destroyed many, but some they understood were more useful as vassals. Some nations even surrendered and the Giants remembered a page of the Crowlords playbook and the surrendered lands were given more freedoms.cont
>>77904220Now the Giants were the rulers of most of the Gulf. They had become the Eastern Empire. They celebrated this much and then issued a grand proclamation that they had now successfully took back their own lands and were happy with this situation. They also began rapid re-education campaign to solidify their grasp on the new areas. More people accepted the Giant ways, more the new industrial developments were directed to those areas.Other nations looked at their history books and noticed that the Giants claimed their entire empire as their old tribal lands while actually it had been only a third. Asked about this, Giants ignored the questions or claimed that the slanderous outlander fools had mistaken, for they are just returning the Bay into the righteous and proper ways of the eternal grand Giant Empire.>The Giant Monoculture is a myth instigated by the Giants. How much it will become reality is still up in the air, but there is no large resistance for the Giants. All opponents have been killed or have fled.Now this is just a suggestion, take of it what you want. I need a beer.
>>77904112So why not write stuff about the giants, instead of stealing chunks of their territory and giving it into your own pet states instead?
>>77904389>>The Giant Monoculture is a myth instigated by the Giants.>How much it will become reality is still up in the air, but there is no large resistance for the Giants. All opponents have been killed or have fled.bear in mind that insofar as steampunk is a fantasy adaptation of the 19th century, this was actually a pretty common element of the era. in order for nationalism to work (especially french nationalism, since france was never a nation, but a kingdom) they had to at best gloss over the differences between the regions and provinces, and at worst commit outright genocide. What the Yssians are doing to the Arvanthans in their territory lines up with what the English did in the highlands (outlawing gaelic) or what the Japanese did in Hokkaido and the Ryuukuus (force marriage).
>>77905243Very true. Most likely every nation has all kinds of secrets and alternative truths they are pushing compared to their bloody pasts.That said, wonder what communication systems the nations are using? Letters of course, but electric telegraph lines are being installed all across the modern-tech nations? Probably no Wireless comms apart from those that use light. So airships communicate using heliographs. Public news come in published newpapers, we have seen examples of those
>>77906765Telegraphs for sure, but if you want to learn about something wild, Fax machines have existed in some form since 1846 so the idea of sending pictures and documents across the continents by wire is entirely possible.
>>77860227If they have technology to run on steam, wouldn't they also have technology to make a Gatling gun as well?
>>77908080Gatling guns basically only need cased, primed ammunition. I assume they exist, if only because I want the Lottonian Reapers to be armed with 37mm Pom-pom guns.
>>77908080The Modern tech level varies basically between american civil war to almost WW1 and then some air dreadnoughts. Some Advanced tech are the tripod walkers and the crystals. Lottonian tractors also? There is vague mentions of landships too. Also maybe the genetic shit Darwinians might be running
>>77912823Technologically things will always be varied across countries and especially within them, but I think that in order for steampunk to work, there's an extent to which it has to diverge from the historical development cycle. So, steampunk isn't necessarily a fantasy 1890s, but instead, a 1930s or even 1950s where certain technological developments (notably, internal combustion engines, but heavier than air flight) didn't occur "on time" and other technologies were refined and developed in their stead. I think Kiep Crystals become central to the entire thing, because you basically need to have a power source that justifies sticking with steam. Without internal combustion, and to an extent, personal electrical appliances, you see people using steam engines to power things that in turn force them to participate in larger, more sophisticated social structures (like centrally heated apartments, because the alternative is a wood stove that can only heat one room efficiently). You also see factory towns springing up because the steam-powered civilization requires lots of teamwork and division of labor to function.Basically, steam requires everything to be larger and more complicated than internal combustion because the inherent inefficiency of the medium requires a larger scale to pay off. On balance, those technologies also need to become efficient enough to become widespread, and compete with human and horse powered labor.
>>77906765Some more backwards places could be using something more wacky like optical telegraphy.
'Bout the best banjo picker I know in the whole Republic is a carpenter by trade, lives in Moelven. He's the one that taught me this tune.https://youtu.be/UwTJbrZUz3ISo I asked him, how come it got the name Grüntal March and he says "Oh that's when they sent the militia down to Grüntal in Sagbruk".Actually it was from someone else down in Sagbruk that I learned the whole story of Grüntal. It happened bout twenty years ago. The lumberjacks had been trying to organize under the ILWU at the time, but the lumber companies pulled of a real slick deal, they paid the state government and got state prisoners, convicts, to work in the exploitations. Well the lumberjacks protested, said it wasn't fair for convict labour to be competing with free labour and that they couldn't organize under those conditions. The governor didn't pay any attention to their petitions so one dark night several hundred lumberjacks walked down to the prison stockade and at gunpoint they demanded the warden free all the prisoners. They burned down the stockade, helped the prisoners escape across state borders to Larvik.Well for four years they called it the Grüntal rebellion. The governor was forced to send down troops from Saggen and Astor and some of the battles had as many as two or three thousand people in it. Of course the lumber workers won every battle but the last one. They were actually starved into submission by a year long siege of the town. The whole thing looked like they'd lost the struggle against the convict-labour system, but as so often happens in history, the fact they'd put up a struggle got them some publicity. So all round Sagbruk people became aware of this prison labour system and a new governor was elected with a plank in his platform of getting rid of said system, and he did, so all wasn't lost in the end. Sagbruk became the first Hartland state to ban this controversial practice. This was followed a few years later in Tinnset, but sadly remains in place elsewhere.
>>77912988Kiep Crystals' ability to store and release heat over a longer period of time is what has made steam engines to take off as they have since they make their boilers so much more efficient than they ever were in our world. That efficiency called for less resources needed to maintain a fire, thus making it easier to develop engines that require less materials to build, more ease of control, and less expense to maintain. Thus leading to mass adoption of steam on the medium-scale in trains, air travel, sea travel, and heating.However, there are still limits to this tech even with Kiep Crystals that has led to innovators studying things like electrical motors and any possible use of Jadewater.Steam is here. Steam is powerful. Steam is useful. But Steam is not forever, not even here.
>>77915454That got me thinking. The Kiep crystals need to be charged aka heated. So there is keip-heating ovens. Probably massive ones and these use the timbee from Hartland and such? Dunno how effective is to use big kieps to charge little kieps. Solar energy might be used somewhere warm enough?Pathesain Directorate also has a certain edge in this situation, for they can use their geothermal energy. Propably PD is one of the lead users of crystals due to this.
Can we drop the name "Halshevik" please I shudder every time I have to type it, it's incredibly fucking corny.
>>77916421Do you have a better word for it?
>>77916421Halshevik seems fine to me. Also I like all the flags. Especially the Volksmilitie and VAF.These are so well designed it makes me wish we had more communist states.
>>77916767I mean not right now, but I could probably come up with something. But fine Halshevisten can stay. >>77917177Thanks. I was also thinking to change the wording from "sole" to "first". Let's not close doors on ourselves here.
So why exactly did the rest of the world not intervene in the Lungland revolution? I guess Hartlanders knew overtly supporting the repressive monarchy next door would basically guarantee a general strike of some sort with possible spillo-over, Kemo-Strekia is too small and puny to make much of a difference, Arvantha has enough problems of its own to care and Torskland has a policy of neutrality and non-intervention. Why didn't Torrendall intervene though? Too busy with their own shit?
>>77918878I mean the Kemo-Strekia and the rest of the IEU did intervene. The problem is that the Communists got the north of Lungland. The place with the port aka. most factories, population and wealth.Now keep in mind Lungland while severely weakened was a nation which industrialised decades ahead from its neighbours giving it the ability to punch fat above what it's size implies. They basically had. Imagine them basically being England while all its neighbours are Romania.The other thing is people not knowing what communism really is or that it's dangerous. You hear of a foreign peasant uprising and think nothing of it. Your citizens would not really feel happy fighting a meat grinder in a foreign country without any real reason for it, especially as you're freshly out of the Ithmus war which is basically WW1.
>>77916421>far right death squads in a steampunk setting, what warcrimes will they commit???
>>77918878>Why didn't Torrendall intervene though? Too busy with their own shit?There seems to be some cultural separation between the five Angirmen nations and the Lungland. It might be so that Torrendall et al were just happy about the internal conflict (as L was ahead of them) and did not want to meddle in infernal affairs of another state. Until the communists crossed the border-river that is but even now there is no official war going on.We do not actually know very much about alliances and rivalries that much. Ieu attacked maybe arvantha later to get the railway or not?Yssia most likely did some espionage in the background though. Aporozhia was united by then? They might have dome something similiar too.Many nations were tired of war 20ish years ago - it is actually possible that veterans of Isthmus War who started the communism actually.
The East: now with rail!
>>77921003Nice! So the transcontinental railway Ostbirk-Yssia is already ready in the northern part?Might be so that the glacier areas are not yet completed - reason for that needs those countries detailed.Also>Frigitil has no railwaysEverything is right and proper.
>>77921220>Nice! So the transcontinental railway Ostbirk-Yssia is already ready in the northern part?tbf I didn't really know how much is too much and how much is too little. If needed I can promptly remove some of the tracks to restore narrative sense.>Frigitil has no railwaysthe devils work those blasted machines!
>>77921356It is ok. The Glacial IEU nations need detailing for the transcontinental rail can be figured out anyway. >Made the two previous nations so do not want to make the IEU myself. Also rather buzy.
>>77921440Ok I think I went a bit too wild on the railroads here so I changed some things. Added a "projected railways" category to show narratively what's going on without basically already closing the loop. Also fixed some visual bugs and filed out the rest of the map so I reckon this is pretty much the final version until I decide to fix the legend on the left that's now to big. Unless I missed something big.
>>77921440Same I feel like I added a lot of nations lately so holding off on IEU states. Now I need to sleep, but I'll add 2 tomorrow as I got some ideas.My idea of the IEU is a mix of the Balkans Swiss and Basque. A bunch of tiny unknown ethnic groups which survived multiple migrations and conquests by foreign powers by being in a hard to access location. A hodgepodge library of way to many ethnic groups extinct anywhere else.Might even be some Cwyn there.
>>77923067Being in the center of a large continent and surrounded by sizeable mountains (I assume under the glaciers is mountains), I imagine the IEU must be pretty chilly and very dry except for glacial melt water. Summers could potentially be reasonably warm. Vegetation, and therefore animals and people, would be focused around melt water rivers/lakes, with areas of very dry scrubland in between that have little to no life in them. Climate might be almost like tibet?>>77922697Map anon, have you done much mapwork further to the east of this? I've been fiddling around a bit with the Angirmen Kingdoms but there's not much point me going into massive detail if you've already done your (superior) work across the region.
>>77923411Nope this map is as much as I've done currently and it'll take a while before I get started on anything else so you just go ahead with whatever you're planning. I'll just add in your stuff when I get to it.Plus I think it'd be better if someone with good ideas took up the Angirmen details, I've pretty much just used the names of small English villages so far because I couldn't think of anything better and that's pretty boring.
>>77857286So, what excactly are Darwinnians in this setting. They seem jsut like a giant blob on the other end of continent.Also is it safe to assume that this is pangeia-like contiennt and there are no other massive continents on the planet?
>>77923622Alright, I'll keep at it. I made the Angirmen originally, so I feel a duty to do more for them. As a bong myself I reckon I can pull some bongish names out my ass.
>>77923655I think >>77819128 is about the most that's been written on the Darwinians. Originally >>77772473 came up with them. I think there's also been a few references to them opening up diplomatically with Ursinum and a few others.
>>77919077>>77919478That's fair actually, I forgot to consider the Isthmus War. Most people must've been tired of fighting by the time the revolution happened.
>>77923655Yeah, this is the whole world. Part of a reason why the center is basically a giant salt desert.As the Darwinnians are founded on naturalist teachings, I think it would be interesting if their "survival of the fittest" philosophy followed not the common "ruled by the strong" misconception, but the more accurate "those most suited for survival are the ones that will survive". Therefore they are highly focused on breeding plants and animals for both practical specialization and versatility.
>>77923798So they are basicly kind of like Darwinists from that one YA book with Keith Thompson art? It's not a bad idea though, the possibilities of such direction of technology are generally untapped.I think the worst part is propably explaining how it ended up on the other side of continent and why it controls such a large area. I would explain it like this: Someone like Darwin left around -150 (as per>>77858002) to conduct research in far-flung countries (like historical Darwin traveled in pacific ocean through sail). But at the end of the journey, he crashed on where the confederate exists now and eventially established (a process which would take decades), leaving him dead by -80 when the modern federation forms (as per >>77858002). By then they propably have contacts with former Urland area and propably spies.I think it would be neat if we replace this Darwin-guy with someone who was more like Isaac Newton- as in someone who did much more than just science, and had much stronger personality. With his researchtrip being also kind of formal exile after he fucked up/got fucked up in Urland politics.I will propably roll on >>77857301 to see what existed there before the whole darwinism stuff got going. It might take multiple rolls though, the area seems like it could hold multiple distinct groups. I will roll that tomorrow/next thread, I have already stayed up far too late.
>>77862876But that only points out similarities between bolsh and 1BU? There is nothing suggesting actual collaboration (Although the text isn't excactly readable).
>>77924156Personally I'm all for rewriting them and giving them more depth so they're not such obvious stolen cardboard cutouts.
>>77924209NOTE THE STRIKING PARALLEL
So this is what I did this evening. A bit more detail across the angirmen kingdoms. >>77924156>>77924423The original fluff has nothing to suggest their Darwin wasn't local. It is more believable someone from the area could unite such a large country than some exiled scientist from another continent.
>>77924697Oh cool map. I like that someone finally decided to tackle river names. Also I suppose that seaside town in mid Roeemoak is presumably called Middleport? :^)
>>77924697Nice indeed! >>77918878>>77923828>>77919478>>77919077Wondering Lungland/Torrendall spilt as river bly does not sound very natural border - most likely most people there live near the big river compared to mountains or highlands.>>77869428 Seems to suggest that Lungalands might have actually part of Angirii, but at least they claim to be part of Danvirian migration. Probably something bad happened during olde ages that explains the residual bitterness between them. Or it could be that compared to others, Lungalandians (or at least their rulers) are actually Urlandic/Arvanthan rather than Danvirian. This actually could be part of the reason for the north/south split: "we want to be ruled by ourselves, not some foreign duke!"
>>77925492>as river bly does not sound very natural borderMajor rivers aren't usually borders, but there were definitely cases where they were/are, especially if there were no or very few places they could be forded. Off the top of my head, the Rhine was famously the frontier of the Roman Empire, the border of Wallachia, later Romania to Bulgaria is the Danube, and the Guadiana river makes up a good portion of the border between Spain and Portugal.
>>77925492What the other anon said, the Danube marks the border between Austria and Germany, Slovakia and Hungary, Croatia and Serbia, Serbia and Romania and Bulgaria and Romania. If the river is wide and swampy enough that crossing it is a serious chore in pre-modern engineering times, it makes for a perfect border.Don't have any pictures atm but I went boating in a dinghy down the Danube this summer and the HU/SL border runs along the old swamp/flood plain between Čunovo HE and Vének and it's basically a prettied up version of what the banks of the Danube looked like 200 years ago before people started mass engineering projects. Let me tell you it's absolutely vile, it's basically a huge inland delta with thick, tall marshy woods on all sides, mosquitoes galore. We genuinely thought we were going to have to keep on boating through the night to get to the other side. Thankfully we were saved by a restored historical toll post of some kind from where a ferry would carry people across in ye olden days that had a nice mooring and dry clearing to camp on.
>>77926141>>77925631Seems alright. Bly is such powerful that it is not easily crossed. Communism issues stopped bridge projects, forcing the Transcontinental take hartlander route.>we need a scale for the map btw
>>77857314is there a good way to tell how they move?
>>77919478>>77918878Yssian Secret Police would want to make sure that any revolutionary project in another country doesn't spill over to their own, which revolutionary projects have a habit of doing. Of course, they'd probably also want to make sure that the Revolutionaries are in their pocket, by grooming certain factions, making sure a pliable leader stumbles upon a fortuitously placed ammunition dump while his less flexible counterparts stumble upon a landmine, or gets a shipment of whiskey laced with methanol delivered to his camp.The Yssians are also fairly active in the transglacial region, as it makes a good clearing house for their activities, which is also why they generally leave the icemen alone otherwise. When it comes to meddling in other countries' affairs, they can't exactly have things moving in and out of Yssia proper.Finally, a word on why they exist: most of the Yssian Army is commanded by the Yssian Nobility, and are primarily loyal to their lord moreso than the crown. In contrast, the Secret Police are personally loyal to the Yssian Emperor. As a country, Yssia is far too decentralized and dysfunctional to be effectively ruled by anyone, but the Secret Police ensure the Yssian Emperor remains the wealthiest and most powerful person in the Empire, and there are no threats to his person or his rule.
>>77926141I mean even in modern times, building a crossing on a river like the danube is a pretty big chore.Also worth noting: cities such as London and Paris are where they are because they are the closest point to the coast where you can build a bridge using classical tech. I'm not sure about Rome but I think it is also the case, after all, Pontifex was historically the most important priesthood in the City.
This thing got complex since the first threadCan anybody give me a quick rundown on the setting and main factions?
>>77930121Honestly? No...Western Continent: Northwest: Scandiscots who have trees and insurrections, may be fighting their pollack overlordsWest: Pollacks on horses.South: Prussians with eunuch jannissaries and heroin addicts. Also a university and banksters.East: Schizophrenic Kleptocracy giving weapons to everyone else to make sure nobody else has the time to get up to any trouble.Isthmus and Wastelands: hell on earth with cannibal mutants and UXO galoreNorthwest: civil war between slave owning miners and abolitionistsEastern Continent: Western reach: mostly agrarian? Fully automatic assault tractors and cattle rustlers.North: Flying ArabsNorth East: More ScandihooviansSouth East: mutants, but on purpose this timeSouth: GiantsSouth West: Dinosaurs and agrariansIslands: Not britain that got blown apart by a volcano, not australia but with haunted ruins, and not-switzerland
>>77930121>>77930221The two current megaconflicts that we know of:>The Great Western StandoffThere is two great wars going on, the Arvanthan Invasion and the Aporoznian Civil War. Arvantha is being conquared by Pseuttonic Reich who wants to become New Urland Empire, a fact that basically no-one else wants to happen. Pseuttonics are helped by Yssia, but even Y does not want the P to succeed totally. Aporoznians are fighting about slaves and money. No-one, particularly Yssia, wants their messy war to end. Exceot Arvantha who is allied with Confederacy. Yssia+Pseutonics are also trying to build a transcontinental railway. This might be just a plot to get the northeners fight eachother.Meanwhile Yssia tries to stay together despite its many internal issues.Who will become the top boss in Westland?>The Great Eastern StandoffGiants recently conquered a fuckload of land (that they claim that was theirs originally) and killed off their old elephant legions in the progress. Can they modernise and get their industry running before troubles arrive to their doorsteps? Both of these are somewhat aftershocks of the great Isthmus War that killed a fuckload of people and began a new age in global politics. Now the airships, first developed for Istmus, are gaining dominance as well. But not everyone has access to the yet.There might be other great conflicts but we do not know about them yet.Future conflict: Jadewater reserves.
>>77926230I feel the continent should be about as big as Eurasia+Africa+Americas
>>77930893> Extra details:In the Western Standoff Underland has been caught secretly supplying Airships to Avartha.Due to the ULA civil war their Unofficial puppet not!Japan declared independance/collapsed into 3 front civil war. More worryingly discovering in their land the 2nd biggest Keip Crystal deposit in the world after the CLA.In the west Communism sprung up in Lungland and there is an evergriwing Angrimen unification movement. A unified Angrimen nation would be no New Urland, but certainly a major local power unlike the current 5 insignificant kingdoms.I think one of the Angrimen kingdoms us also officially supporting the CLA.
>>77924441Yeah, how dare someone point out that their rhetoric is pretty much same shit.
>>77930893Does the ULA have any allies to speak of? Are the Pseuttonics allied with them, since they don't like slavery? The Pseuttonics sending forces north would also explain why they are somewhat limited in what they can do to Arvantha at any given time. Not to mention, being opposed to the CLA (as was mentioned earlier) they would have reduced access to Kiep Crystals, which means that they have to have the majority of their army moving by train or horse carriage.Maybe there is also partisan action on the part of the Arvanthans. Despite the fact that they lose most of the set-piece battles in the conflict, their cavalry forces are able to disrupt the supply lines of Pseuttonia and rally/terrorize the Arvanthans in occupied territory, making it difficult for Pseuttonia to consolidate and solidify the gains that they have made, and leaving the battle lines extremely fluid.
>>77932248I don't think they have any allies, but they have official Pseuttonic support with expedition forces being sent there.
>>77932248>>77932574Been thinking that United Aporozhia and Grand Parthesain were allied in the old times before volcano. The Chancellery and the Directorate have continued this and probably fought on the same "side" at the Isthmus war. So now they are perhaps officially neutral but have sent some support FULA - particularly Pseuttonics started supporting them as well, in order not to lose influence? >love the ever-increased complicated diplomatic mess we are getting hereYssia most likely has not helped either side of Aprozhian civil war given their former aggressions there probably was rather significant battles on the Yssia-Aporozhia border during the war in addition all that shit what happened near the Grand Salient) although their secret police is turning a blind eye to the happenings in the Hinterlands.It actually might be so that Hinterlands actually changed hands due the Istmus war. Maybe it was occupied by Yssians (or at least a battlezone) and ULA exchanged Hinterlands officially to that small coastline they currently have into the Grand Salient?
>>77898859The Radvitch BastardsA bunch of mercenaries, bandits and cowboys that started roaming the glacial tundra and for the three past years have been making a mess of the Transcontinental Railway construction and other Yssia-Pseuttonic-IEU alighted targets.Regardless of their viciousness towards the railmen, they remain otherwise popular in the region for they do not raid or rape villagers and always keep their behavior towards civilians warm but a bit distant. Their reach is long: they have been know to attack targets even in Yssian borderlands (actually their first action, a bank heist, occurred there), the Angirmen Kingdoms, Aporozhian Hinterlands and eastern Arvanthan woods.Rumored to have even airships, the source of their mysterious backers is not certain. They are legendary in the fact that they seem to have superior intelligence and are able to strike and retreat at just the right time.Their base of operations is in the valley of Urkintz in the middle of IEU territory (it is the smallest little cicle there, cant edit the map). How they have not yet been destroyed is not known, but Yssia-alighed forces have been seen gathering near the region.Even their leader Radvitch is mostly unknown person. Told to be survivor of Isthmus Conflict, not much is known certainly about the gunslinger. Yet he inspires great loyalty in his fellows and is a "crafty asshole" according to certain Kemo-Strekian sources.
>The Reziyan Valleyhttps://youtu.be/03sZYITvY6QReziya is a typical cold and dry glacial valley, surrounded by high mountains of the Eagle Glacier, with a narrow opening towards the south-east. To the west, it is closed by the Kamnay mountain group which separates it from the rest of Arvantha. To the east, the valley opens towards the Turgovic valley, which leads to the upper Arvanthan plain. This is the most usual way to access this isolated valley. There is a small isolated mountain pass not fit for much more than a mule that connects Reziya with the Upper Arvanthan valley which has been for centuries their only contact with Arvantha.The inhabitants of Reziya speak a unique dialect that has recently been at the centre of several debates and controversies in the ethnological field. Thought by most linguists to be the a surviving version of early Arvanthan which preserves many archaic features such as dual and aorist it is fiercely debated by Arvanthan and Yssian scholars who can claim the purest lineage to this living legacy. This isn't helped by the fact that due to its isolation, the dialect has also developed a specific phonetic system, unlike any others in the region with overly nasal tendencies.The people of Reziya themselves do not consider themselves to be a part of any wider group and are increasingly annoyed at the frequent expeditions of ideologically charged linguists poking around their valley. They call their tongue Rozayanski and care not for high brow linguistic debate.
LaudanumLaudanum fucking everywhere.Laudanum cakes, laudanum ice pops, flying clockwork doodads that bring you your laudanum, laudanum barons flying their laudanum blimps deliver laudanum, national holiday of Laudanum where jolly Father Opium slips bottles of laudanum under the pillows of all the good boys and girls while they sleep.
>>77936850Where would this be on the map?
Chunda.Chunda is a region located just south-east of the Uchpahaa Mountains, the rain-shadow of those great mountains along with the numerous rivers flowing out from those same mountains has made Chunda an extremely humid place. The entire regions is covered in thick vegetation and marshes.The people of Chunda has always been, and mostly still is, a collection of hunters and sustenance-farmers, primitive compared to the quickly modernizing world around it. The Chunda people have very rarely ever had to content with invaders, not only is their meager land located in a remote part of the world, but their greatest defense have always been disease.The marshy rain-forest they call home contains every exotic disease one could think of, and there is no shortage of insects willing to deliver them to unsuspecting visitors. The Chunda people themselves are resilient to these diseases, having built up immunities over countless generations. But most foreigners visiting the place run a great risk.The Chunda people have only recently begun to be known, and see themselves, as 'one' people. Historically the Chunda people have only come into contact with foreigners through limited trade but the arrival Darwinnian CoFederation has forced the Chunda people to reorganize themselves.Darwinnian CoFederation have been eager to explore the depths of Chunda but recognize that they can not do so without the help of more acclimated locals. This constant contact has prompted the Chunda people to come together to form a union of sorts.The Chunda now elect a representative, which they call "Hawhana", who functions as the nominal "leader" of the loosely defined nation. Yet this Hawhana's authority is limited mostly just to international affairs since each Chunda clan have little desire to let themselves be governed.
>>77936850Cute!They are one of the original people but no-one else understands it?>>77936850Did get that impression it is the little valley not under IEU control directly east of Irnaic Palace? >>77936942There plenty of shit going on at urlandic remnant duchies, that is for sure.>>77939306Lovely vacation spot, that is sure!
Took a stab at Marcomania, not completely satisfied with it though, idk.
>>77938340>>77939516Honestly didn't really want to pin it down too much, I reckon we just slot it into whatever's left when the IEU is fluffed out since they're pretty insignificant.
>Arvanthan Banner Host moving into position
>>77939306>The Magnificat and Cursed Dukedom of ArugonumFrom very modest origins that they do not like to mention much, the little Urlandic city of Arugonum rose to became The Heart of Marble Renaissance.For almost a century Arugonum was amazingly wealthy center of fashion, literature and art. This in addition (or because of) a sizeable maritime fleet, both warships and merchants, made them a powerhouse that rivaled Grand Parthesain. They decided the fate of nations and civilizations.Alas, this was not to last. Despite the warnings of Oldfaith priests and scientists, the nobles started to consume the new fashion drug sold by the Grand Partesain called Upium. The decline was swift but they managed to drag most of other fellow dukedoms with them into deep addiction.Arugonum has stayed independent however, as they currently are one of the main growers of the dreaded Upium, which in turn they sell to other post-Urlandic states. Although "The Curse" has almost every noble and citydweller in their grips, rumor is that a secret pious order is keeping the state standing - their the coffers surprisingly full of gold even now. And no-one wants to attack the city, for probably only thing that can gather the post-urlandic states together is trying to stop the flow of UpiumThe Arugonumians themselves are proud and arrogant even now, despite their sorry state. They really did have the most glorious painters and poets of the Renaissance and the city is a temple of marble even now, but they have not produced almost anything after that except few of the finest duelists and most depressing plays ever to grace the worldSuch is the fate of the Cursed Arugonum.Politically they are allied with Underland, for Merentallt started as _their_ bank, a fact that Arugonumians like to point out as often as they can. Marcomania in turn is a frequent source of jokes and ridicule. It is not known do their lords even realize what Reich is doing east of them.>also other minor things
>>77939568Hate to say it, but there was a typo in the original text in that the pass was supposed do not be strategically significant. The heraldry looks great though.
>>77941805Thanks and ye I just lazily copy pasted the og post without thinking too hard before going to sleep. Will redo later to fix the style and content.
>>77943667Its my fault for making the typo in the first place; thats why I noticed it. The heraldry is great though.
>>77857286I think the Darwinnian CoFederation's northern border should be redrawn to follow the mountain range. As they are isolationists, that would give them a more mysterious feel as "that land behind the mountains" as well as having more realistic borders.
The boop did not work
>>77945034>As they are isolationistsAre they? I figured they were explorers, its hard to be a biologist if you stay in one place.
>>77947967They follow that biologist's teachings but he has been dead for a while and they've focused inwards. Not much contact with other countries.
>Fall of auld Partesia (artist impression)
>>77950402I hope they're OK
>>77950402The evacuation from the eruption was quite impressive. Just about every fishing boat still in the harbor and transport ship nearby stopped to help evacuate the city, leading to most of the citizenry to have been able to flee the burning city.
>>77947398Interesting parasite. It is able to take the place of a heart so that it has direct access to nutrients, but its ability has led it to be used on some soldiers who were shot in the heart during a certain battle.
>>77955290Huh. Interesting. It likely naturally preyed on stuff like deer/elk though, so it probably is less efficient than a propper heart.Maybe it reproduces by laying eggs in the bloodstream and makes sure they spread by producing natural bloodthinners. Thus the ones carrying the bug develop hemophilia
Alright I say we add some technological contraptions to make it more steampunk instead of just fantasy 19th century. I'll go first. Completely bunk scams or actual inventions? You decide! >Orgone Field StabiliserInvented by a certain J. R. Henricus of New Tolet, the Orgone Field Stabiliser is a large contraption of pipes and tubas powered by a steam engine and regulated with a rudimentary calculus machine hooked to primitive sensors, it purportedly "stabilizes" orgone energy in a wide area. Orgone is thought to be an imperceptible weightless field of energy that weakly chains particles to each other and can be disturbed sonically. The main cause for earthquakes and avalanches is thought to be booming discordant sounds such as thunder disrupting orgone fields and causing matter to fall apart.Henricus is a rail engineer by trade that lived most of his life in the Hartlands and IEU laying down railroad. Witnessing many fatal avalanches in the remote mountain villages of the North/North-West he invented his orgone stabiliser. According to him the stabiliser detects discordant sounds that could possibly collapse the orgone field and plays back sounds that "harmonise" the discordancy, therefore preventing disasters. The machine has taken off surprisingly well and can now be seen in various mountain villages and lumber exploitations that swear on it. Its actual efficacy if it exists, has yet to ve conclusively scientifically proven.
>>77955868Some inside The Darwwinnian CoFederation have likely taken advantage of their ability to take the place of a heart by trying to breed a group more suited to humanoid bodies. Heart problems would be a thing of the past someday!
Man does anyone know the name of that early 20th century inventor that came up with a bunch of bizarre stuff that was way before its time like the super low emmision/consumption car that looked like a fish, essentially rotating bubble houses orienting after the sun and intercontinental magnetic rail? It's the kind of bizarre stuff that'd fit in a lateish steampunk setting but I can't remember the name for the life of me and google isn't helping.
>>77955948>particles n shit in a XIX century settingcease
>>77951267>>77952290>>77950402Historically, in cases such as Pompeii, most people have time to evacuate because 1) they know it is a volcano, and they know what volcanoes do, and 2) increasingly strong and increasingly powerful earthquakes make the surrounding areas unlivable. Pompeii was bad, but generally speaking there was only a small portion of the population left, and there was at least one village west of Naples that was basically founded by refugees. Of course, if we're talking the capital, and not a resort town, things are a lot worse because there's a lot of infrastructure and whatnot that you can't just up and move.
>>77955948Well the Ursimonians have walkers so I presume that the Joseph Bramah, William Armstrong, Harry Vickers and Jean Mercier in-universe equivalents must have already done their thing somewhere. Imagine: a fully pneumatic society? With accumulators! Cyinders! Maybe even pneumatic guns, why not?
So Darwinians are eugenists? Interesting
>>77962303Yes, but they focus on "propagate the needed and advantageous traits" over "justify why my race inherently superior to everyone else".
Alright so in case someone else wants to have fun with it, I uploaded all of my flags, maps and other stuff on mega so if anyone needs high res stuff, it's on here. Also includes fixed versions of a lot of pics so pull the from here if you need em.The link is folder/LR41iChb#WCxZfUbiRNCUcte7wDwELw
idea for a flag of the Strenian kinghordes aka the Great Kurultai of Strenia
>>77963298Was thinking of using the coat of arms of this pretty obscure French-Swiss protestant small noble family as the basis for the flags and seals of Pseutonnia. What do yall think?
>>77964019Very interesting. Why black ravens?
>>77962225Pneumatic guns would be cool, especially like, a pneumatic harpoon cannon designed to take down airships.
>>77964784Pneumatic weapons would have to be limited to artillery due to weight. They'd be very useful in taking down airships.
>>77965212That was kind of the scale I was thinking
>>77962303>>77962425The name darwinian implies Darwin existed in this universe.did he?
>>77966730The country is actually named after an unusually intelligent Beagle, who managed to inspire the humans around him to explore the benefits of combining human and animal life.(It's not one of my countries, so you can take or leave that backstory)
>>77964019Seems nice>>77963298Not a fan. No Mammoth?
>>77964369idk they seem appropriately imperial>>77967798Good point on the mammoths actually I forgot that bit.
>>77966730Or at least someone like him. Natural selection was something that was inevitable in being discovered.
>>77970416>>77966730Isaac Leonardo Darwin was an Parthesanian "naturalistic innovator" that was born c.150 years ago. He was a true renassaince man whose Mona Losa steam engine was a remarcable improvement over previous engines of that time. Alas, his success wrecked his nerves and subsequent laudandum medication did not assist him. >>77936942Later in his days he became far more eradic than in his glorious youth. Rambling about selection conduction, relativity of energy and bendability of species he became a leader of cult of "sciencemen".They failed to predict the Volcano. I.L. Darwin diappeared shorly afterwards, reportedly lynched by a mob. It was his son, Galileo Cristopher Darwin, who assembled his writings into a semicoherent form: the Light Of Reason: Darwin Schematics for the reason and logic running our world. Dismissed by almost everyone, particularly the parts about giant cogbuilders, the Darwinists non the less found small following. They were banished from chancellery few years later and found refuge accross the sea.
We've been getting a lot of these recently. It seems like Autia has stopped for a while so I might as well help a bit here. Maybe add in some things I created in that setting here.
>>77970810Wait ignore this, I checked and GE and Autia might have some involvement in the plot at a later date. I'll just make something new when I get an idea and it doesn't contradict with anything.
>>77970810>>77971138Yeah, i do not see reason to do references to other settings. You are welcome to participate of course. There is many interesting spots that lack nations. Particularly the central area has space for nations that have potential for fun interactions all around the map.
>>77971203Sounds like good to me, when I have more free time I'll try and contribute a bit.
>>77970775So like Marx if he went with naturalism instead of communism. Neat!
>>77976433Those creatures used to be half that size before the breeding program was set.
>>77978175Saying that name to your group would just result in your muffled yells coming from a dump truck.
>>77976433That actually sounds like a better name than "Darwinism". Would help distinguish their eugenics and breeding programs away from being a one-to-one parallel to our version.
>>77857286Was this a human only world, or were there other races?
>>77962225A pneumatic gun would just be an airgun, right? I don't know what would drive a society to use those over regular firearms. A lack of certain resources?>>77963298I like the tassels.>>77958833I don't know him by name, but I've definitely seen the stuff you're talking about. You're right that it's late for Steampunk, but man a 'Covers of Popular Science' setting would be pretty fucking sick.>>77984550It seems to be a 'human' only world, with some of the nationalities really stretching the bounds of what could be called human. Like the 'giants', who are a particularly tall people but not beyond plausibility.
>>77984550It's humans only but some human subraces exist like undisclosed mutants, giants and humans with green skin who swim well.
>>77984724Then there is also Quuen Maves land which is implied to be ruled by an immortal time witch
>>77984724Could be what this world looks like when it transitions over to deiselpunk, though.
>>77990205Aye. Honestly curious about that. Especially considering the nations most able to exploit the 'diselpunk' resource of the salt sea are the Giants and Monghol Crowarabs
>>77993131I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to get rich by exporting jadewater, but I get the feeling it will be the nations they export them to that will be the ones to make advancements due to the jadewater.And that's only if the other nations don't fund revolutions or coups to guarantee that the ruling government directly favors them over the people they rule.
>>77924156I wonder what kind of political cartoons that would be in this world. Are there any animal stand ins for the most powerful nations here?
>>77999039Hmm.Avartha - sparrow/horsePseuttonia - black eagle/ravenULA - weasel (cause they fought the Crowmonghols and weasels hunt birds)Yssia - a horde of different dog breeds
>>77999039speaking of animals, here's the flags and heraldry of the crow riders. This took me like 4 days and I had to start from scratch several times because I couldn't decide how to not make it look terrible. Ended up with this with which I'm middlingly content - it'll do for now.My biggest concerns are how to nicely distinguish Altartara and Al-Jizharai since both use red and monkeys and the existence of Aljegra was one huge debacle.So if you have any ideas on how to improve this, send them in.The sad part is I like middle-eastern heraldry, it's just that once you remove Islam from the available pool of inpiration it becomes much more difficult to make anything nice looking I think.I'll be uploading all of this to the mega shortly if anyone wants to have fun with it.
Also how's this for the Arvanthan CoA?
Rolled 38, 65, 91, 67, 92, 5, 44, 18, 69, 32, 90, 79, 93, 39, 15, 47, 87, 85, 96, 85, 66, 34, 60, 40, 73 = 1510 (25d100)>>77857301Rolling additional nation. Leaving location open as there is spots everywhere>Should we add a landmass or something south of New Tynntarm and its straight coast? It hurts my eyes. At least some difference would be nice.>>78001211Oh fucking yes. So cool. Do not have time to edit the map but they could be added if possible at all.>>77988844>>77987068Queen Maeve should be left in that "maybe effective propaganda, maybe weird shit" situation like the Cwyn and the Ghost Fleet are in as well.Speaking of the Cwyn, some of the original westerners seemed to have been rather long-lived. Another subrace but not too alien. >>77962225Ursimonians and Irecon League have referenced walkers. what these are is not entirely sure. walking tanks or steam power armour? Dunno. Interestingly walkers and Tripods seem to be eastern tech. Perhaps they are more land-based and west (and north) are more into airships. Or it is a tech level issue.>>77982637Like Darvinism as well. A little but useful change.
>>78001895Looks like the eagle is attacking that shield. I'm guessing the shield was an old Arvanthan enemy. Somebody that came from the sea, maybe?
>>78002060>OrcMaybe related to Ursinum or another exMercenary?>Medieval Mongol>Animal Totems>Myth: Grand Dragon>Bee>Citystate>Standard wealth>Nonexistant military>Advanced Tech>Meager magic = not religiousPower: Powerfulinteresting. why?>Age Established>Gov Theocracyokay slightly insane or rebellion?>HordeRebellion it is>welcoming nationalism>Naval warfare focusValues>Bravery/Honour>Impulse/ChaosViva la liberteLocation:>Polar Cap latitude>Direction North>Far EastClimate>Nordic>Dryland>Hills>Passive animalsThe Dalaichin - Tradelords of GjerdiThey used to be the greatest traders of the entire Northern coast. Nominally under the Sheikkhans, the Dalaichin became wealthy for they understood the rules of commerce far better than many of the Crowlords. Many renowned advisors of the Mughenhamma the Great and his successors were Dalaichinians.Confined by ancient treaty to live on the "Island of the Dragon" after an civil war after the Great Crowkhan, the Dalaichin turned into chief missionaries of the Seamother religion.This dualistic and pragmatic nature of mercantile missionary work was extremely useful in spreading the faith following the crusades. It was only the Renaissance when their power over the Northocean waned. Even now, they are the supreme traders of the ocean of Singing whales.But recently an open rebellion has begun to topple the old and established Priest-Merchant dynasties. This is a time of reason and logic, and fresh generation wants to build flying tradeships instead of naval vessels and to join intercontinental trade. The wing-movement has rapidly gotten overwhelming - without assistance from the Crows the rebellion most likely will succeed.>>78001895what does the gold cross on blue represent, as the Arvanthan white sparrow seems to be attacking it?Given that Pseuttonia has been blue that feels a bit more a military emblem not the entire Kingdom perhaps. Or it might have some fun and weird explanation.
>>78002508I'm betting the gold cross is a reference to some old enemy they defeated that the current ruler had thought was particularly impressive and put it on the coat of arms as a form of bragging and was kept around since everyone else was just too lazy to update it.That, of course, led to some later historians thinking it was the enemy who won. Some books say the cross is the original symbol of the Arvanthans.
>>78003596Heh. Imagine putting your enemy on the helardry.
>>78001211Man these are wonderful. Maybe I just like Monkeys but the Flying Monkey and Blind monkey are pure KINO.Only one I'm mixed on is Andalus Porto
>>78001895It's cute. I like it.
>>78002131>>78002508>>78003596>>78005756The blue shield + gold cross is the heraldry of older Arvanthan ruling dynasty, and the white sparrow + green shield is the heraldry of current dynasty (the Veréb) that queen Tuska is current?Lets say that the Veréb Dynasty is the seventh Arvanthan ruling dynasty. They took over the Asztalos dynasty after the Arvanthan Golden Era.>Does this attacking the previous - design shield goes even further?Historians have many, many designs for Arvanthanian heraldry past the centuries. >Some books say the cross is the original symbol of the Arvanthans.makes sense too>Speaking of KoA,The location of Irnaic Palace so north has put me into thinking mood. Most likely the capital was originally more in south, close to Urlandic lands. Urngave maybe? Or in ruins already? Perhaps the Palace was built as a safe haven for the rulers after the more populous southern parts (the southern plateau) were too prone to violent uprisings?
>>78006763Not sure how long the current dynasty has been ruling, but the original capital being in the south makes sense.
>>78005756Now I'm imagining a political cartoon of a penguin astride a torpedo ram facing off a land-stranded white crow.
I have some ideas for Arvantha will post more later
>>78012598boop 'cause waitin' for this
Do we have Landwhales?(the not human kind)
>>77947398>>77955868>>77976433I don't know how expansionist the Darvinians are, but if their creature breeding programs are ever seen by outside nations, then many would conclude they are breeding things like these for war.
>>78018404Given their original prompt >>77772473Darvinians are creating new breeds for war and expansion.It seems that the descendants of I. L. Darvin>>77970775 managed to unify the agricultural but otherwise resource poor countries (probs almost owned by Parthesain at some point?). Now they are looking at expansion and more resources but are landlocked by cold mountains in north and jungles in the west. Perhaps they are playing the long game and are preparing to strike when the fresh eastern top dogs, the giants, show weakness.Also it feels likely they could attack New Tyrntann at some point in the future. Delicious and almost defenceless natural resources for the taking there.
>>78018404They have an outpost in the West, the WEF.>>78016247>>78012598Alright here's a wip map of Arvantha. Didn't manage to do as much as I wanted today so enjow this in the meanwhile.
>>78020380So that would mean that the area claimed by them north of the mountains is likely a recent claim. A quick land grab of previously Trinardi land that was both quick and devastating enough that they were able to get the Tryntann government to capitulate all land beyond a certain latitude and longitude, which would explain why they are the only nation with straight lines in their borders.
>>78020698I must say that those rivers are so sprawling that I'd think that steamboats would have more prevalence than any other form of travel.I'd say the most used are the one that connects to that lake since it would allow trade between the whirling ocean and Ribsea without ever needing to go overland thanks to that canal, with the current most important river being the one that connects to lake Coghetry since its so long and so close to the invading fronts of the Pseutonic Reich and Yssian Empire, thus leading it to be the artery of the supply lines for the war.
>>78021777>>78020380There seems to be a confusion between New Trinardi the recently exiled Eastern scientists ans the New Tynntarn the not-Australia with fun ruins going on here.Trinardi and Darvinians feel like they could be allied. Tris provide tech while Darvinians have food and they are curious. Somehow could see that D have sold or even loaned (100 years for example) the T their lands due their recent crashlanding.Meanwhile Tynntarm seems almost not habited but contains a wealth of mineralds. So good invasion potential to liberate the suffering locals. Perhaps the D have not yet successfully bred sufficiently heat resistant beasts, but soon will.
>>78020698Amazing!I support fixing the university so tgat there is no strategic chokepoint, so just adirect mountainrange through them feels good.>>78023621Steamboats would probably be good, but this is Arvantha the backwater kingdom. So probably they have few but not at all as much as would be needed.Thought: West has focused on airships because land travel has issues due glaciers and the rivers either are bad or flow through several states?
>>78027954I'm guessing it's mainly because the rivers are bad. Them flowing through several states are more likely to facilitate trade between those states due to the convenience.
>>77941774map addition time!Addded the Sheikkhanate maps >>78001211and >>78001895Gave Marcomania more mountains so it is no longer strategic location.New Tynntarn honestly does not sound like that they control the entire continent, just the central mountain area and the mines. Added Angel Jungle to west:It is really beautiful and serene jungle. Many helpful medicines have been found from there. Despite this, it has not been settled. Partly due old myths about curses and partly because basically everything is poisonous. There exists rumors of blue monkeys living in ancient bronze temples, but no concrete evidence have ever been recovered from the jungle.Next to it is the Djinnic savanna, where large beasts (such as Landwhales >>78018340 ) roam freely and titanic hurricanes rule. Though about fixing the straight coast, but no time for thaaat
>>78030611Aww, New Tynntarn got split
>>78030611I'm going to say that New Tynntarn still controls basically the entire continent, but only in the same way of "control" that led to Canada and Australia having so much land, or how France had claim to the Louisiana territory for its sale.Basically their control is "We have these few important towns under our direct control, but there's ALL this empty unclaimed land that nobody seems to want, so we are just going to say it belongs to us. It's ours now."
>>78031576>>78031020Given that New Tynntarn seems to be rather new government >>77798773 the only reason they would be the first ones to claim the entire island would either be megalomania or that the rest of the continent is really not habitable at all (barring scattered tribals), aka australia situation. I would be fine with not-australia, but there seems to be some colonies or something on the northern parts that are owned by the Giants. Those of course could be new ones as well, but the place still seem too connected to be unclaimed until NT came there.The continent has been there for ages and the centers of civilization have been only a short boat ride to the north. True, the Hetarion islands did not get noticed by civilization (probably bad currents or something) but they were colonized anyway. Controlling the entire continent does not make much sense - although NT might claim to do it. They themselves don't control much more than their own capitol even. There could be some fun explanation to this situation of course, such as Grand Parthesain and the EUC buying the entire continent from the old rulers and establishing the current situation. >Location of Old Tynntarn has not been established btw>There should be a Darvinian outpost on the eastern coast as well?
>>78030611>>77939306It seems the Chunda rivers are duplicated in Irecon mountains. Probably next anon that does somethnig to map should fix this shit
Fairly important question, what are the temperature norms on the map?I'm sure some nations are described as cold, hot, wet, and so on, but are there any defined tropics, hot zones, temperate zones, or the like?The Aporgian Glacier is pretty much smack dab in what looks like latitude 25N, which would be pretty toasty on an Earth simileAnd are the bottom and top of the maps the poles, or does it extend further? Are those even the poles?
>>78032341I imagine old Tyratarn. Is some minor region in the old Partesian Empire midland, same how Zealand is a Danish island.
>>78032623I don't think we ever set that. At least to.e me it feels were operating on Elder Scrolls logic when it comes to climate. The temperatures are a bit nonsensical.
>>78032623>>78032932>I'm sure some nations are described as cold, hot, wet, and so on, but are there any defined tropics, hot zones, temperate zones, or the like?I have seen the temps just as something that is suggestions or compared to the general climate of the area>my random suggestions for climates:Red: HOT. African ishOrange: Mediterranean / Eastern / Indian / FloridaYellow: Moderate European / North-AmericanTeal: Nordic / CanadaBlue: Freezing. not properly habitableno clue about latitudes or shit
>>78033424Seems fine to me. We need a new thread
>>78032623Due to this not being clarified early, it's completely fucked and would basically need an almost complete rewrite to make sense. I basically just try my best to ignore anything to do with climate lest my suspension of disbelief shatters.
>>78034851Yeah, no need to look into it too much, it was a rough suggestion anyway. Facinating additions, curious about Yermenac
>>78034851Yeah, one of those things where you just have to say "It's just a game, I really should relax".
>>78034851Bro, put the Geology textbooks away, you're gonna go insane.
>>78033424The western Glaciers are right in the yellow zone of your map, so I think the weather patterns may be a bit different than what you're showing.
Oh no! Someone dropped my Arvantha now look what happened?The 3 main factions are the Royalists, the Salvation Council and the southern National Protection Government.
>>78033424so is the entire continent on a single hemisphere?
>>78032908>>78032341Check the map here at >>77922697Tynntarm is a relatively small town in Torskland, It is kind of a play on places like New Brunswick and New Jersey and even New York where the town it is named after is relatively small and relatively unimportant. (York was important when New York was named, but less so for Braunschweig and Jersey.)And yes, their claim is more nominal than actual, and it is meant to be somewhat based on Australia. The main problem with the backstory is that Parteesan had been discussed before New Tynntarm was created, but it had not been created yet.
>>78040173For the anecdote, Tynntarm means small intestine in Norwegian. Nestled right under the no less lovely Tykktarm aka large intestine.
>>78040266That's hilarious. The name was picked more or less at random since at the time Torskland was really the only place that had towns in it, but I love it when things work out like that.
>>77857405How did you make this map?
>>78041162GIMP. Font is Bahnschrift.
>>78040173>>78032341The reason that New Tynntarm has more claim than The Conquering Empire could be explained by the trade route. It favors going from west to east with the routs to New Tynntarm breaking off before endering the Mare Demonicum. I'm guessing that there is a crazy strong east to west ocean current starting there going into The Golde Circle Channel and through the Mare Del Sud. Strong enough that south-bound ships are more likely to stray into the Wirling Ocean rather than reach New Tynntarm. So while the empire has some claims on the northern ends and islands around they small continent, the difficulty of reaching those place has led to the empire to basically ignore it politically.